T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'i guess the breakdown of my trouble is that if I'd done as much as I could to not "take advantage of the situation" then I wouldn't have ended up as happy, and when *not* being the best you can be leads to more happyness, then bleh to that noise.'
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'so why does my brain still tell me that i should be as upstanding as i can be? am i just a sap trained by society?'
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'yes'
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aztar: 'what is the issue?'
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'double hilarious that the person who replied is named "abandon hope"'
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'you got hit by randomness it happens, get over it'
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'wait what?'
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 're: when *not* being the best you can be leads to more happyness, then bleh to that noise'
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'i mean things did work great for me'
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'i know'
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'but the socitial code of conduct says that i should have acted differently. acted in a way that would have led to my loss and/or opportunity-loss'
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'dont expect that to continue forever if you arent living up to your own/societies standards'
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'and you're saying that the reason that i still want to try to follow socitial code is that i really am just a sap?'
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'yes'
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'well i guess as long as you're sure about it then okay'
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'like it or not, unless you live in a cave, you need to conform to societies rules to some degree, your conciense is your early socialisation telling you this'
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'i've got a rather atypical conciense you might say'
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'regardless of whether it's atypical, or not... you have one'
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'i'm a few steps off from sociopathic (4/10); i lack the general malice to qualify, you need 7 / 10 or more'
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'i suggest either being a complete sap and becoming and acceptable peon or a complete sociopath and backstabing your way to success, if you sit in the middle you will be an unhappy nobody'
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'crap'
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lokathor: 'well since you can't just will yourself into sociopathy i might be stuck'
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'yeah you can... you can self condition with time and dedication'
T3/r2/2011-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'in either direction'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'German Interior Minister: "WikiLeaks is irritating and annoying for Germany, but not a threat. . . . One might also ask, however, if a government is acting intelligently when it organizes its entire diplomatic correspondence on a network that can be accessed by 2.5 million people."'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'lol'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why exactly did the GOP put Darrell Issa into the position of "top White House investigator" when he's got a past riddled with criminal charges of car theft, insurance fraud, arson, and felony weapons charges?'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Set a thief to catch a thief?'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Figue: 'she knows what to look for by experience?'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yet again, Dashiell: 'sorry mori, he hasn't caught obama yet'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So... he's going to catch car thiefs, people with illegal fire arms and arsonists who work in the White House?'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Sure. All those nasty KKK types who supported Obama.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'and then make it into a tv drama series'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Look, they can't be worse than Kenneth Starr.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I didn't know the KKK was famous for arson, illegal fire arms and car theft.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'All save the Car Theft.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, it was apparently felony car theft.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'those churches burned themselves, everybody knows that.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon nods at Undertaken Anaristos.
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Well, he's only suspected of burning down his own factory for insurance (fraud) money.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'YOU CANT PROVE IT !!   '
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Ah yes, Kenneth Starr, waster of tax payer money on BS.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'muhahahaha'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Agreed.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I don't see why you're so offended, though, it wasn't your money.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'And that money would've been wasted by someone else.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm amused that he was even allowed to do such a thing.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'are you saying that Yuna doesn't pay taxes?'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'This is the US government we're talking about.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Not in the US, Anaristos.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No he's saying I'm not an American.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'o i c :)'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, neither am I, not in the sense the word is used :)'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Yuna is one of those ever so amusing people who is an absolute expert on other countries thanks to sound bites.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I enjoy the clusterfuck that is American politics because our Swedish politics are oftentimes interminably boring.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'That, I'll give to you.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Seriously, the biggest debate on whether or not we should institute gay marriage in Sweden was limited to whether or not we should also enact a compromise where the Church was stripped of their right to lawfully wed people.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And that was a compromise suggested by the lone party whose platform is Christianity-based!'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Church's part in the institution of marriage started out as, basically, a notary public.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, any commissioned agent of the state can perform weddings.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The lone Christian party wanted to strip the Church of its marrying power (so no church could marry gay people).'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Hahaha, I can see that, Yuna.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It didn't go through and now most churches are happily marrying same-sex couples.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I take it they're not friendly with the Episcopalians?'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and people who can wed others are not under obligation to do so.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon nods at Undertaken Anaristos.
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We're Lutherans.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Protestant!'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Lutherans are the most catholic of all the protestant churches.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There are 6,7 million baptized members of the Lutheran Church in Sweden (out of 9 mill).... 2% of those actually regularly attend church services. Most people are Lutherans in name only.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'LINO'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I can't even get mad at the Swedish Church for much because of how very gay friendly it is.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Or LINE, in Swedish.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'personally, I don't understand why sexual orientation is an issue to begin with, anywhere.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Or not.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I just think people just need something to bitch about.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Outdated values in the Bible that's clearly based on the personal opinion of the writers being ascribed to God.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon nods at Undertaken Anaristos.
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Well, it does come from a lot of the settlers in North America being persecuted religious minorities.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Those are usually the more extreme sorts.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We have a bishop that's a woman AND a lesbian and nobody cared when she was made bishop.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am sure that homosexuality predates the bible and it is not clear the those cucurrent with it abhorred it. '
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Episcopalians had that in the US and it caused a furor in the US protestant community.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I know, I read about it and laughed.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'It was specifically named by Paul, Anaristos.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'By Paul... in his personal letters to Corinthians.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Then again, Paul basically said 'the only reason I get married is so that I don't sin'.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Yo, Corinthians. I dislike gays!" - Christian: "That means God hates gays!"'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Paul is not my favorite writer of Epistles.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, first you would have substantiate that the new testament is really part of the bible. The Jews, the source of the original Bible, does not contain Paul.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Although he did come up with a few good lines.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Homosexuality was a stoning offense in Leviticus.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Paul was a glory monger.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why do the whackjobs even use the Corinthians letters as gospel? Paul doesn't even claim that he's speaking for God.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So was eating shellfish and cutting your hair.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or talking back to your 'rents.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Shellfish wasn't stoning, I don't think.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And eating fig.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'However, mixed fabrics was.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, but unless you are allergic to shellfish, it is usually not fatal. Paul search for glory caused many to die.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Meanwhile, soldiers were A-OK to kidnap and rape women, as long as they married them afterwards. But the women had a choice to leave... AFTER the marriage.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Leviticus was full of bullshit. Like if a step-son accidentally sees his step-mother (I presume through the father remarrying after the death of his previous wife) naked, both are to be banished.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I mean... what?'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, with all due respect, if it weren't for rape, the human race would not be here by now. At the dawn of humanity and even now, rape (of the enemy women) was the way the gene pool was disseminated.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Think of that as 'ways to avoid rampant murder in a community that needs to be close'.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Too bad, the Bible also advocates rampant murder within the community.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: '1/8th of the world's male population can claim direct male descent from Ghenghis Khan.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If someone comes into your town to preach a different religion to you, you can kill them (their blood is on their head). At least it gives us license to kill those Mormons.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that it advocates, might be too strong of a statement. If you look at the Bible as a teaching document, yes, you can make that claim. But if you look at it for what it is, a historical account, then you miss the mark.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Seriously, what's wrong with Mormons and why aren't they classified as a sect? Too many sects are classified as religions and tax exempt in the U.S. Seriously, Scientology?'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they offend the puritan sensitivities of the community.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if we hold the Bible as a teaching document, you can't fault the Mormons for polygamy, but most relgions pick and choose.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the Bible had polygamy, misogyny and incest, but modern religions conveniently forget that.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though, incest, like rape, was necessary when humanity wasn't as populous.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not to mention polyamorous incestual rape.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, being a male was, and is, a hazardous occupation. Therefore, females have always been more numerous.'
T3/r2/2011-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oddly enough, in mainland China, the opposite is true. Due to their campaign of female extermination, females are at a premium at the momemnt. So much so, that the government has unofficially turned a blind eye to homosexuality.'
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'The system, by far the largest and most technologically sophisticated in the nation's history, collects, stores and analyzes information about thousands of U.S. citizens and residents, many of whom have not been accused of any wrongdoing.   ( All those foreign technology suppliers and puppet string weavers, murdoch et al, I wonder what they really use those supercomputers for)'
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'http://projects.washingtonpost.com/top-secret-america/articles/monitoring-america/'
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'thousands probably means millions, and millions billions, not revealing the sealed tightly informants of foreign nation's eavesdropping'
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'all of your moves into a computer in a day, retrievable at the press of a button, all of your medical records and personal statistics, all of your con artistries recallable by the secret service'
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but ignored by the police, because exposure is a bad thing, unless they want to bring you down and fabricate the evidence afterwards'
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'police-state'
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'look at how unwilling and uncovered those million+ dead fish floating upside down in the mississipi are, to cover and reveal real information about their fuck up oil spill'
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's even possible that there never was an oil spill, and the dead fish were only the offshoots of a planned media propaganda mechanism to control your minds with fear'
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'later plots'
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'who's boat is allowed within 100 miles of it?'
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the new york puppet lawyer overseeing the 'distribution of the 20 billion?' gets paid 900 dollars an hour, for about 4-5 months now'
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'who can say when he's at work and when he's asleep, taxes will take care of whatever excess there is, on the distribution ends'
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'only 3% of american's professed money in politics actually exists in print and substance , that leaves 97% in the imagination'
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if everybody went to the bank today and took out all of their money, the banks would have to wait for the printers to hand it out'
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'according to zeitgeist, good movie'
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the russian government pays roughly 500 million dollars for a ship weighing 125,000 metric tonnes, equipped with a nuclear power generator and all of the gadgets used for navigation and self defense - the american government pays roughly 500 million dollars (doubled spontaneously in one article from the navy, from 250 million) for a 8000 metric tonne warship'
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'isn't that interesting, both funds are rounded from russian currency to american, and american to american, and both are the same price, but one is alot larger and more complicated'
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'where does tax dollars go?  into value for the buck?  outsourced gluttony?'
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'ignorance'
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'over 18 trillion spent on warfare since 1980'
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i wonder what % of that 18 trillion is in the soldiers bank accounts, what percent was blackhanded in overpricing and confusion'
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i bet it's something like .0001% and 80%, the remainder is what that would have all cost in a real business'
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'a slave to a judas iscariot , the -real- national anthems'
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HauntingHour: 'lol who are you talking to'
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they'd say take it to debate on other channels, yet respond to me, so nobody'
T3/r2/2011-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'darpa (the government advanced projects research department) and various universities '
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i have a deep, philosophical question and need some... guidance'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Take two deities and call me in the morning.'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Seriously, though: shoot.'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'is it wrong to drink and play aardwolf at the same time?'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Only if you spill on your keyboard.'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Oh, and drunk aarding has been known to cause nopost status.'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'oh i dont spill drinks. i have experience'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'But that's mainly if you're Esco.'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'nopost?'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Unable to post new notes.'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'oh. '
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Otherwise, it's just like being drunk and socializing anywhere.'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Don't get so drunk that you do something stupid you can't deal with the consequences.'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vampfox: 'its known that all the rubbish you do post acts like a wall preventing a hang over.'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'oh i just do that in real life.'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i quit doing that after i woke up in jail and had no idea how i got there'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon goes, "Heh."
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'my advice: don't go to jail. it sucks.'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'That depends entirely on whether you turn out or do the turning out'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'turn out?'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'do not go to jail unless u're working there'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'i think thats what he's saying'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'tell me about it.'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'i been to jail a long time ago when orcwarrior was imm'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Lots of people managed to piss off Orcy.'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'i said f orc on the curse channel'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'aarwolf has a jail?'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Apparently, he was hilarious on the wolf clan channel... Ah. Haha.'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'yes, i don't know if it is still there'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Yeah, cursing out an imm is a quick way to end up in jail.'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Yes, Aard has jails.'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You notice that Ohm is extremely depressed.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'They're mainly to give you time to cool off.'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'thats what the curse channel is for'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'i thought'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'and i didn't know he was an imm'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Not for cursing out imms.'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vampfox: 'what commands are active in jail?'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'u get put in a room where u cannot do anything but talk'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Oh, I think most of them are, unless they've also been restricted.'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'However, it's a norecall noportal room.'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vampfox: 'lol. Roll cup on bars.'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'with no exits'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'meisterP - you know a lot about aardwolf's jail.'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'If you've been to it once, you tend to recall how it works.'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'lol, been there never going back again'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'just like real life'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'The one time I was in jail, I could still use some channels.'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'wth? how many people been to aard jail?'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'yea, i was on the gos channel and i was told that i've been put in prison'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'but getting sensitive on the curse channel... i was only level 26, and i didn't know he was an imm'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'he didn't believe that i didn't know he was an imm'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Orcwarrior was never rational even when sober. And he was rarely sober.'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'so i guess drinking and aardwolf go hand in hand'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vampfox: 'iM going to aard jail without commiting a crime! By randomly teleporting into it! Yippeee'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'You can't teleport into it, vampfox.'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'uh... vampfox.... are you sure that is wise?'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'You cannot teleport into a room you cannot teleport out of.'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'However, if you ask an imm nicely, they may give you a brief tour, after a moment of confusion.'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'this is a character a few years after'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'why would you want to go to jail if you don't have to?'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Where you are: are there borg?'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'cuz the pay is good'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'mt'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'and the work hours'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'must be'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'I heard some hot mommas get sent to jail for seducing their students.'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'yeah - like where were those teachers when we went to school?'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'When I went to school? The local one was getting caught'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'oh. well, shucks'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon is from WA.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i went to HS in OK'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Wait... is there any kind of court proceeding besides criminal and civil?'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I just read an article where it is implied there is.'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'federal and military?'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then there's international, but alot of nations ignore those, or buy their opinions on individual cases, like the case of the poison south american river in which the UN court decided that it wasn't of a similar cause to bangladesh, wood treatment'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but one nation gets the poison water, the other gets the money'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'UN interests lie where the money is'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's probably no system of justice on earth that is perfect, and all of which are either by force, steered away from anything resembling that or were and will be crooked from the start to the finish'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Ahahahaha, this is priceless. I just came across the term "pro-parent" on a rightwing news site. I guess that's the term the anti-gay parenting fringe is going by now.'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'pro-parent would make sense in a context of government having too much influence on your children, I guess'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'not so relevant for gays, I imagine'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'ie for adoption discussions'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'at issue is the left's indoctrination campaign to convince your kids to grow up with values that probably oppose or at least are at odds with your probably right-leaning ways.'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the message is that Mommy and Daddy don't really know what they are talking about when you can't do this or have to do that.'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that's why you have public schools, so the gov't can dumb down your kids and ruin their love of learning :)'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): L33tM4st3r Lashan nods at Dokkar.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also so the kids have a pc belief system and to ensure they don't learn to think on their own, obviously!'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'by "pc", do you mean personal computer or politically correct? ;)'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'politically correct, seeing as that is the offical religion of the US'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i seen a video, released near year 1980, about the computer being a god of today'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'most public education is tragically bad though, if you stop and analyze it seriously'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it was bad film and sound quality and sounded authentic'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'had the pc in a altar in a church and all that'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): .Faust Necroshine move that, there
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) L33tM4st3r Lashan: 'I dunno...I'd always stood out a bit in school growing up. Finally figured out how to fit in during high school!'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): L33tM4st3r Lashan laughs out loud.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'most any education is tragically bad.  Some places are outright falsifying stuff, even.'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if somebody offers you 1 billion dollars, cause they have to, cause you influence your peers, who teach as you do, to teach falsehood in your opinion, which their careers they see relying on, would you take it?'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's a little judas iscariot syndrom in lots of people'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'depends on which falsehood!'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'for 30  pieces of silver the truth was sold as falsehood and i got a nice luxurious life'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and to think, that if they assumed their masters superior honest, and their master happened to not be the one falsifying their job, they could have exposed him and got a promotion'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'now they serve a submaster'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lawyers made people paranoid with false judges, now honesty is a crime behind the law'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'why else do you think there is so much hatred for government out there?'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Who let Druzil out?! Who, who, who-who!'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'are they not glorified crooks'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how come they don't tell you so much simple historical facts relevant to today's society, within your university history courses, how did this come to be, or that, what is the probable reasons'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'don't they live off of your ignorance, even in your specialty?'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what inspired this or that'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's up to professional z who has no knowledge of professional y's knowledge, or so he says'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Riddim: 'well, paranoid ranting is pretty hard to peer-review'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I dunno, sociologists seem to get peer review.'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's not ranting or paranoid at all, i wouldn't call me ranting on anything beside one topic to another, after several supporting facts, or call me paranoid, with knowledge that who i talk to is within the observers stands, the judge'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'peer reviews work amazingly well, in any science with no political or social application'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon nods at Tinada.
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'nearly everything is corruptible with greed on this world, even the man in charge of all the others is corruptible by his own desires'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'and 2+2=4, Necro.'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'absolute power corrupts, absolutely'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'No, power attracts the corruptible.'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible.'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'You can design around some of those flaws. To take a random example, you can make it illegal for non-voters to make donations to political campaigns'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'now you see a corruptible human and consider him less human than those he corrupts, who are until corruption, incorruptible, until revelation, dishonestly corrupted'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'And even if a man with absolute power isn't corrupt, he will be accused of it by those who dislike what he does with it.'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so, exxon doesn't pay tax, why do they pay for george bush presidential campaign in florida'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'cause rupert murdoch is a dual australian american citizens, and somehow does he pay taxes?'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'pure altruism'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how high is his australian account and how high is his american account'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'he met with every us president since trewmen'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'You mean Truman?'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'sure, us president that sounds like trew'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'So, have you heard the rumors that Gates may go into politics?'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'he'll probably be president if he wants, depending how he got there, though i heard less negative things about him than positive'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'he has been in politics for quite some time, just not seeking elections anywhere'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what his true nature is only time can tell, if he gets into them'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'bill gates' next in line and current CEO on the other hand, i seen alot less of good comments about and seems to be largely evil'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'in a global use of the term, from those who judge themselves as such, to those who only judge others from their clean pedestals'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and i don't trust intel microprocessor corporation'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'transmeta on the other hand, and linux, both seem to be less corrupted, and more interested in actual technological progress than material / social enslavement and gain'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'not to mention they're open about their materials, allowing anybody to observe and test their products'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'apple, being chinese, gets a warning light by default, being a capitalist social dictatorship state'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'What in goodness sake are you going on about, Necro?  Linux is an OS, not a microprocessor producer, Apple is American, and I have no idea what you're arguing anyways.'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'transmeta was invented by a os designer, basically, the perfector linus torvalds'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's a microprocessor company'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'bsd also, even hosts their website on sun microsystems (bought out) machines'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'bsd was largely invented, the current versions in compliance with the unix standards, by the man who oversees the openbsd project'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's the basis for darwin bsd, and apple's operating system, they have a copy paste allowance on their code'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'point is that openbsd when they post a warning patch, have found a bug that no hacker has, and have patched it, in a imaginary scenario which they hacked together, not attacking anybody and not putting their system at risk'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'all that needs to be done with that system on the hardware affected, is to patch it up and reinstall the kernel or application'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'windows waits until there's enough public exposure to warrant paying the coders to change the code'
T3/r2/2011-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'pro-active and propaganda generated hacking'
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Michelle Bachmann is considering a 2012 presidential run. Oh please do, Bachmann. And please win the Republican nomination.'
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zun: 'Hehe. Maybe she can run with Sarah Palin.'
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'nah, Obama is going to win the republican nomination, like last tim'
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i wonder if the republicans are cynical enough to nominate palin'
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '-e'
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zun: 'Apparently someone started a campaign to convince Dems/Inds to vote for Palin in the primaries, the opposite of what Limbaugh tried in 08.'
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's a good idea, but everyone will be royally fucked if it backfires'
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There is no way for Michelle Bachmann to win over the independents.'
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If Michelle Bachmann wins the Republican ticket, Obama's 2nd term is guaranteed.'
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'why girls from stockholm be so fresh?'
T3/r2/2011-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zun: 'Lots of preservatives.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'The reason some CF people are truly obnoxious is due to being as self-righteous as Fred Phelps. Discuss.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'never heard of Fred Phelps'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'He runs the website godhatesfags.com'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the bible does state indirectly that God dislikes fags  '
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Which is missing the point.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Maligning everyone who chooses to have a child (which, granted, is due to modern technology most certainly a choice) without regards as to why or how they behave is just as self-righteously arrogant as Fred Phelps' brand of dickery.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vixxen: 'indirectly it states He hates smokers too, but they dont bash them that badly.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Where does it do that, Vixxen?'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'It does say in the bible 'Suffer not the poisoner to live'.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Poorly translated in the KJV to 'witch'.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so the people who brew the tobacco should be put out of our misery, what's that 1500 chemicals, upped by a factor of 3 in 2005 in malignancy'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vixxen: 'says knowingly harming your body is a sin.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '700,000 per year dead, from this non-natural derivative'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in Britain, some fags smoke fags'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'off to the surgeon generals manor'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Tobacco alone is fine. It's the additives that cause most of the issues, Necro.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Freud was afflicted with cancer from the nicotine addiction -- no additives in tobacco back then'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'nicotine is more deadly than cyanide per weight i heard'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I think Freud may have suffered more from his cocaine.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'i assume injected'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'radioactive lead, how did that ever end up in them'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'did freud show signs of radioactive decay while he died?  and all of my hypnotized feminine patients found me irresistible'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'several radioactive elements with shortish half-lifes degrade to lead'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nicotine is usaed as an insecticide'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and rat poison is used to treat heart disease'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'good quote: the difference between medicene and poison is dosage'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vampfox: 'and god is used to purify disrupted souls'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'You actually require a small amount of lead in your diet.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Abandonhope crosses his arms and nods slowly and sagely to a Morimon.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'However, too much is poison. And too much at high velocity is often immediately lethal.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what crap is that lead is required in the diet'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'You have a small amount of lead in your body.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Also gold, platinum, copper, boron, lithium...'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'presence of crap does not designate a requirement'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Yes, it does.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lywryn: 'anything that is in the earth is in your body pretty much'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Because you lose material.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nope'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Trace elements are required in our food.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'In order to maintain the trace elements in our body.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'false logic there'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Zade, are you pre-med, or even a bio major?'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'ok is seems lead is not required'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietary_mineral'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I think you are missing out on what is meant by 'trace elements''
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I am not talking about even amounts of micrograms.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'However, there is a certain amount of lead in your body that must be maintained.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'provide support for your claim that lead is required'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the fact that a poison is naturally present in the poisoned does not prove that the poison is required'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Zade: Oxygen is a metabolic poison.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'well, trying to reason out why tobacco has all of these fantastic chemicals and elements within it, most of which are used to murder things, on top of the super-deadly nicotine, which by itself wouldn't have caused this design of death into these cigarettes, to bullets?  sure it's like a form of murder, radioactive yet, now we have some godzilla plants happening'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'In fact, most things turn out to be poisons in sufficient doses.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lywryn: 'oxygen is highly toxic lol'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'Dietary minerals are the chemical elements required by living organisms, other than the four elements carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, and oxygen present in common organic molecules.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Morinon is speaking crap with "Oxygen is a metabolic poison"'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'i am leaning that way, without any support from 3rd parties'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lywryn: 'it's not crap.. do you know what free oxygen can do to your cells?'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_toxicity'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Morinon is diseased with faulty logic, faulty comparisons '
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then they talk about these elemental atoms, and these quantum physicists around 1930 or so come up with a measurement problem, where they say atoms seem to exist physically only when the scientists consciously measure them'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i was leaning towards a similar skepticism myself before i even heard of that, i don't think putting all faith in one mans science is really a good idea'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'heh ok point to mori'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'good quote: the difference between medicene and poison is dosage'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I'll admit I went overboard with the lead bit.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lywryn: 'and I'm pretty sure that a lot of the heavy metals that are in tobacco are in there because the plant absorbs it while growing'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'However, I'm pretty sure you've ingested minor doses of lead at some point to no major ill effect.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think they use radioactive materials to grow the plants faster, and possibly alter their genetic structures for maximum yield and who knows what lese'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'survive on trace amounts of water compared to the normal plants'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'minor does of lead = minor brain damage... heh, prob less than last weekends drinkin'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and along with fighting the deadly chemical nicotine addiction, they have brain damage to top it off'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Again, Abanonhope, I'm talking about micrograms at the high end here.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'whoever brewed those sure put alot of thought into it'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Morinon and Lywryn are diseased with inability to discern or honestly discuss relevant contexts, (resulting in faulty comparisons and faulty logic)'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Zade is diseased with having only one note to use, and so using it repeatedly until it is meaningless.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'He brings nothing new to discussion.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a human may live without lead, but not without oxygen'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Only points out where he thinks others are wrong, and waits for other people to support him.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Yes, Zade, but too much oxygen kills.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'And I DID support that Oxygen is a metabolic poison.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'However, you have not given me tests where people were completely isolated from lead.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'So while my statement, which I even pointed out I went too far on, has yet to be disproved, my one argument that had hard science you still attempt to ignore.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Morinon, that too much may kill is irrelevant to the original discussion '
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Not at all. Oxygen overdose is a metabolic problem.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Oxygen is, in fact, corrosive.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lywryn: 'too much oxygen WILL kill you'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'This is what rust is.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Morinon is lying and or attempting to change the topic of discussion "resolved that lead is not required in the human diet"'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'And that adversely affects non-compound iron.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Zade, the horse is dead, but if you want to skeletonize it, feel free. Who's your main?'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lywryn: 'because free oxygen is highly reactive'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'zade mori already as much as admitted lead is not required'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Because this has the feel of personal vendetta right now.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'zade is druzil / necro'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'No, Necro has talked.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'i can tell by the pixels'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'And Zade is far too coherent and single-minded to be Necro.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'must be necros apprentice, they have some similarites in style'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'No, this feels more like the standard gang of idiots on gclan.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I'm just wondering which one it is.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'lol im too noob for gclan'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Hmm, Zade has shut up.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Morinon did not disprove the contention that lead is not required in the human diet -- the talk of "excesses as a poison" is irrelevant to the discussion whether trace poisons are required in the diet -- Morinon is diseased with faulty comparisons and faulty logic'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Aww, how cute.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Zade, I pretty much admitted 'whoops, I went TOO FAR'.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Now, will you accept my concession, or will you continue to act like an ass?'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Which even those who were on your side have accepted.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'You lost on attempting to call me on oxygen as metabolic poison, and now you're just yelling the same thing over and over, as if repeatedly stating a thing makes it right.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'That doesn't work for the republicans, it doesn't work for the democrats, and it doesn't work for you.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'almost sad that the citizens of the USA are diseased with faulty logic '
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lywryn: 'it's a pandemic!!'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Zade, I am sorry you're such an idiot. But until you learn how to actually debate in something other than an ad hominem dressed in pretty clothing, you're not actually debating shit.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'All you're doing is making baseless accusations, attacking the person, not the argument.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Morinon is resorting to ad hominems'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon laughs at Zade mercilessly.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I am attacking your lack of a debate style, you are attacking me.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'You have yet to form an actual independant argument.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'When you do, please, let me know.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I enjoy an actual debate.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lywryn: 'no, you sir are the one with the logical fallacy'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: '"You are wrong about this one thing, therefore you are wrong about all things"'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'That is diseased logic right there.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when somebody queried whether somebody was pre-med or a bio-major -- that was a prelude to an attempt to attack the author and not the content'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'zade is just trollin now'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'That was a genuine attempt to see if you were more educated than I am on the subject.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Since you are not pre-med or bio, and neither am I, neither of us can lay a claim to being close to an authority on the subject.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'post-med is not pre-med'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in-between-med is not pre-med'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'pre-pre-med is not pre-med'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Your behavior so far did not speak of someone who had gone to any sort of graduate school.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'being able to provide credible sources for your claims is good enough for me'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lywryn: 'what does that have to do with anything?  I think I smell a red herring'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'It is a red herring, Lywryn.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I am just amused to see if I'll catch it anyways.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Morinon is restoring to further ad hominems in an attempt to extort background informations'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Zade, I do believe you have a good future in US politics.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'zade can read minds, he knows your motives now'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'You can say 'no, you're wrong' just as well as Olbermann or O'Reilly.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lywryn: 'what? now I'm just laughing'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what is meant by "graduate school" -- school to become a graduate, or a school after graduates graduate'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Grad school, as is commonly accepted by the use of the English language in Academia, is any post-Baccalaureate schooling, intended to supply you with a Masters or a Doctorate.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'in the USA maybe'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Most people I know from the UK and Australia use the same terminology.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'in aust we just refer to them as post-grad students at uni'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Hmm, that also would work.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'However, undergraduate is generally accepted as 'working on a Bachelor's''
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Abandonhope nods.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what is "pre-med" -- uni or pre-Uni'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'yup undergrad = 0 degress so far, postgrad = 1 or more degrees gained so far.  quite simple'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Premed means working on a four year before you're accepted to medical school.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'uni as far as i know, but im not intimate with med school in oz'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Do you have any more quibbling about details that do not actually prove or disprove any level of intended ad hominem on my part?'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Abandonhope grabs some popcorn and sits back to watch the show.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'To help cover up the glaring ad hominem on yours?'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in Australia, is there a pre-med, since matriculation was sufficient to gain acceptance to a university med course, and that was not called "pre-med"'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'There is no 'pre-med' program at most universities.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'However, if you are taking courses and intending to go to med school, you usually label yourself pre-med.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Abandonhope shrugs helplessly.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'the general culture in australia in matric, then uni'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'You are quibbling over irrelevancies. I assume from this you have no cogent argument, I await you to prove me wrong.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems that pre-med is a term more applicable to those in university studying for a bachelor of medicine'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'medicene is a 6-8 year course year tho akaikr, average batchelor is 4 year'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in Australia, there are (or were) three terms to a school year, as different to Canada Usa where there are two terms to the school year'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'correct'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'You mean HS or college?'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Rephrase: primary or secondary education?'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'college means different things in aust than US'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: '3 terms refers to students approx 4-18 years old'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Primary, then.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'primary and seconary by our standards'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'its 4 terms in australia.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'thus an australian graduates university in three years as different to Canada/Usa where four to five years of university are required to graduate'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Zade: Uni varies from school to school. Some have 2 terms, some have 3 or 4.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'some batchelor course are 3 some are 4'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I attended the University of Washington, which has four quarters, the Summer quarter is often not taken.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'university in Australia has 2 terms'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'or semesters as we call it'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Key thing here: Every university is different.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'also, in Canada/Usa "College" may mean "university", whereas in Australia "college" does not mean "university" (asair)'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Here in the US, I have seen quarters, semesters, I've even heard of very short 6 week terms where you take an entire class in six weeks.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'you are correct, Zade.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'in aust college can mean late high scholl or uni'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Zade is going into a semantics argument to cover the fact that he made an ad hominem on me, had no real argument, etc.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Abandonhope nods at a Morimon.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'in the us, college does not mean university...university is a school that offers undergrad and grad...college only offers undergrad'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'in oz collage can mean a school specalised in getting you a good matriculation score, or a live in dorm/club for students studying a long way from home'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Heh, really? Matric? In Oz? Yeah right.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but in a Usa, is a college degree sufficient to continue in a university as a graduate going for a masters or a doctorate'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'yeah we learn to make monkeys fly'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'No one ever calls high scool "college" over here :P Not unless it's part of the school's name, and then it's not a college, it's named "college" :P'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Well, good grades and recommendations are kind of helpful.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sneak nods at Fluffled Salvanas.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in australia, a good high school is able to provide a good matriculation score'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'year 12 cert = matriculation salv'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'no its not'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'who says so'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'it used to be called ENTER its now called ATAR'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'you get what you pay for'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Not here. And it's not ENTER anymore? Wow. I've been out of the system for too long... you sure Sneak?'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'yes salv'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'It hasn't been Matric for years and years. And years.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'public school wont get you into med school unless you are super talented'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: '(btw, ENTER and ATAR are the scoring system, the cert is actually VCE, in Vic anyway)'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'only became ATAR this year.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'and before that, HSC... hasn't been referred to as matric for ever, if ever.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'salv despite what the education dept wants to call it, matriculation is a concept... and the year 12 cert provides it'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'you don't even make sense. nobody called it matriculation in Australia.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'you are poorly educated then'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Ironically, in the US, matriculation refers to obtaining your Bachelor's.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'While all you aussies fight over what it's called.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'excuse me? and what kind of doctorate degree do you possess?'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Um, Sneaksy, it was, actually, but not since the last 50 years or so :P'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'to finish year 12.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I know that Salv :p'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'shall i qoute shakespear ?'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I'm talking in recent times :)'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'An idiot's tale, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'A rose by any other name would smell as sweet'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I think mine is a better quote.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'does australia yet provide a "leaving certificate" -- something similar to grade 10 in north america '
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'now you're just making excuses for your folly.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'yes it does, Zade.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Zade, yes, and it differs according to state, and what system you're studying, but they're all pretty equivalent.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'yeah lets fight over semantics instead of content'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Leaving Certificate ls Third year high school,  Fifth year high school is Matriculation  (afair)'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Ah, different system here. The only cert you get is at the end of high school, which is pre-uni. If you finish at year 10 (i.e., 4 years of high school), you don't get a cert.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'So, I bet right now that the Aussie revenue is kind of regretting driving Paul Hogan out of the country.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: '(speaking abt the Victorian system, anyway, no personal knowledge of other states)'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Heh, Paul Hogan... random piece of trivia I just learnt today: Paul Hogan was initally going to be the ghost in "Ghost", but he turned it down, so they got Patrick Swayze instead.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Hah.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'But I mean, since Irwin's dead, you don't have anyone to fight off the crocs and snakes in the flooded regions.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'And thank goodness he turned it down, I say.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Meh. Irwin was obnoxious.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'attempting to correlate Grade 13 (13 years?) in North America  to  Fifth year in Australia (11 years?) of education'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'No grade 13 in America.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Not since education became a federal concern.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'K,1-12.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Canada recently dropped the grade 13'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'because gov't is run by superstitious witches, no #13?'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Mebbe, Tin.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fluffled Salvanas shouts out, "AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE!"
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon screams out, "OI OI OI!"
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'oioioi'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sneak flexes her muscles...what a stud!?!
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Disgraceful, isn't it?'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I'm not even an aussie.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'The best chant we can do at sporting matches is shout like cavemen.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'lol'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'But oh well. Not that we've had much to shout about so far this summer...'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'However, I do have respect for a continent that is full of some of the most venemous creatures out there, including one of the ever so rare venemous mammals.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'sack ponting i say'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'redbeck or red-backed spiders'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'i got the year certifcate in 1988'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Meh. We eat snakes for breakfast here. Builds up the immune system.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'i got the year 10 certifcate in 1988'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Meh, sack most of the team, I say.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'in NSW the year 12 cert is (was) called HSC'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'especially the selectors! disgraceful!'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I also love that a number of fakes were able to get believed by biologists, just because they came from Australia.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'was? Still is, AFAIK.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Mmm. What were they thinking, putting Hughes in :P'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'and dropping Hauritz, and Bollie.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'lol'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Bah.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'year 12 cert, HSC, VCE, they are all matriculation'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'In the general sense, yes. However, no one's called it matric since the late 50s or so :P'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'called what metric'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'matric is a generic term'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: '... going on an assumption here, but I'm guessing you came here for high school from overseas? :P'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Canada went metric in the 1970s or 1980s'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I'd love for the US to go metric.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'yeah metric is so much more SANE'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Although I now can convert on the fly from mph to m/s'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'i notice the US scientific community seems to use metric, thank god'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: '9mph=4m/s'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Well, yes.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Actually, I think after France, the US scientific community was the first to adopt metric.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Not that it mattered, this was the 18th century, we were a scientific backwater.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'well thats a relief, too bad about your peasantry'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Meh, we were actually rather upfront about our slavery.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the serfs can't count past 10 anyway?'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'As opposed to calling them peasants or serfs.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'lol'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly at Lazy Shark Morinon.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Although, theoretically, peasants were free men, although they couldn't so much as break wind without special dispensation from their lord.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but the names selection of SI units ruined science somewhat in the 1970s 1980s -- naming units after scientists is not smart - the past may change'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'although to be fair, one reason slavery went out of fashion was that it became less expensive (!) to hire factory and mine workers'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Tinada: Yup. A lot cheaper to pay workers next to nothing than clothe, feed and house them yourself.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Abandonhope bursts into tears.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'like wal-mart does today, essentially'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Nah. Walmart is not giving people subsistence wages for 18 hour workdays.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'It's giving people part time jobs at minimum wage.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'you need better unions'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'judging by the amount of wal-mart employees who apparently need federal subsidies to survive, they are effectively doing what mine owners etc did 200 years ago'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'aka treating people worse than slaves'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Unions are less popular nowadays.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'i know, sad'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Tinada, how many of those people are on social security?'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'most people have a tv and are therefore pacified'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '..the norwegian pension fund more or less said that a couple of years ago when they sold their wal-mart shares, wal-mart was not pleased'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '18 hour days at Walmart ??'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I think Starphoenix should write up his raid of clan Walmart.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'No, Zade.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'The US has laws against that.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Ironically, Wallmart does usually tend to invigorate local economies.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I won't say they do no harm.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'But they also do good.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'then again the western european point of view is that if it's possible to be "working poor", then your system is wrong'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada shrugs helplessly.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tyrant GW Bush increased the hours in the work week'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Bush can't do that, only legislation can do that.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'well if nobody is poor, how do i know im rich ?'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Bush can just let it pass or veto.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'they are a corporate giant out to make money, of the products they sell are chinese'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tyrant GW Bush extended daylight savings'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'retail does not make a country rich, production does'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'That was actually a democrat from AZ, Zade.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Wait, not AZ.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: '/nodsage tinada'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'They're the one state that has no DST.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Forget which state, but it was a dem. Not Bush.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'GW Bush was the fall guy that signed that into law'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Yeah, he could sign or veto. As far as legislation, that is all the President can do.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'lol all political party heads are just the faceman/fallguy for thier party line'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'including obama'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Rupert Murdoch secretly runs the Republican party ?!'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Obama is Carter, only black and less racist.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'no he's is a massive supporter'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Okay, Abandonhope, I am starting to agree with your view that Zade is Necro junior.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Abandonhope giggles.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade is a lot more coherent than Necroshine
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'That may be true, Zade.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Abandonhope will be the judge of that
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'But give it time and drugs, or lack thereof.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vampfox: 'if shout out in public. "I AM RACIST" you'll probably become a minor celebrity and you'll probably become a dead white or black asshole'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'if you shout it, i will die ?'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'In seven days, no less.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'oh crap i watch the obama tape'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the politically-correct assholes are censoring or replacing the 200 occurances of the (censored)-word with 'slave" in Mark Twain's classic "Huckleberry Finn"'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Someone yelling out in public "I am Racist" is day 5.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Yes, Zade. And on that, I agree, utter bullshit.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'F*** is okay but n***** is not'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'yes fuck is ok, but nig*er is not ok, i know from experience with imms'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Congrats, Zade, you now know the difference between garden-variety vulgarity and a racial slur.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Zade, I agree with you on that. And heck, it's nigger. There, I said it.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon flashes his Channel Police badge and says "ACPD! Freeze!"
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'lol salv, would you agree that the n-word means a hell of a lot less to aussies than americans ?'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Probably.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'But heck, it's a word. Like abo, or blackboy, or chink/slant/gook whatever. People need to get over it.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'yeah, it's a big american cultural taboo in my experience... aussies don't give a shit'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'And before you go off at me, I'm Aussie, and I'm Asian, so I'm allowed to say it. :P'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'It basically comes down to US racial politics.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Which is one of the few cases where racial politics are tied up in slavery.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the White Australia Policy was good -- avoided a lot of the racial difficulties that afflicted the USA'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'i can sympathise with that'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'i can sympathise with US racial politics'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Actually, what amuses the hell out of me is how much Americans get flabbergasted at how black people are treated in other countries.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'The way I see it, they're holding on to the outrage, because it buys them power in politics. Everyone knows it doesn't mean anything, but they're afraid to say it, cos saying it would admit that they accept it, and then there's one political lever gone. :P'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon nods at Fluffled Salvanas.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'however a word is just a word, can can be aporpriate and non-offensive in a certain context'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vampfox: 'mmmm what have i done...'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unfortunately, the Abbos were cheated and maltreated by the australian bureaucrats'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Well, there's also the fact that there is still racial inequality in the US. Personally, I think it's actually encouraged by the left, so they can keep giving out handouts that don't actually help them stand on their own feet.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'too any imms listening abbo = nigger in australia, lmao'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'when racial groups do it to each other, it's racist and wrong... when countries screw each other the same way, it's international politics, and savvy. Bah humbug I say.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'see that was a non-offensive context'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'I don't get offended if you call me a chink to my face. Smile and laugh it off, and give him a gobful back, and no one get's beaten to a pulp.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Personally, I hope that the hispanics avoid the same pitfalls when they become the dominant minority in the US.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'except abbo is not a forbidden word in australia (unless recently forbidden)'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'But no... people need to play the "he's picking on me" card.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'yeah but salv, not everyone is as easy going as you'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Zade, it's well and truly forbidden :P'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'nobody will say abbo on aussie tv'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"abbo" likely became forbidden after the White Australia Policy faded ? '
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Faded ages ago...'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'The only difference is the population base and the visibility/vocality of the group is much less than your black population.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'well white australia policy faded in the like 60's ?  we all became more political aware and sensitive after thatr'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'But that also runs in their favour, since everyone then jumps to their defence... :P'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Anyway, I know my views on the whole shebang, and you probably do too. Meh, I'll leave the politicking to the idiots in parliament :P'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Crunulla riots were an attempt to restore the White Australia Policy'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'no don't, politics are too often left to the unproportionatly loud minorite'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'lol zade, stop trolling, you don't know shit about the cronulla riots'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Meh, if you ask my views, I'll give them, but I'm not gonna go play the "let's have a meeting and spend hours beating around the bush" game :P'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Wikipedia lied ?'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'i live in this culture'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'i dont read it'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'i could bring up the LA riots at random'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Ah, Rodney King.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Is that like Burger King?'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fluffled Salvanas looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon looks at Fluffled Salvanas and goes "Heh."
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'His was the spark that struck the tinder that was LA.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Or Hungry Jacks. Apparently. Silly Aussies.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Crunulla riots and the LA riots are different or reverses of each other '
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'You know, I don't care about who rioted where. Debate going off now. Bye!'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'tell me the cause of the cronulla riots ?'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'in depth'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'look up Wikipedia -- although Wikipedia is suspect somewhat censored where controversial content is concerned'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in some topics'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zun: 'I don't find Wikipedia 'censored' nearly as much as alternatives. They do a good job of presenting varying viewpoints.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'i dont need wikipedia, i grew up in sydney, i have lived in 4 aussie cities, i know my culture and wat happened'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zun: 'Well I don't know much about Australia, but I do know plenty of Americans who would say the same about their culture and history and be completely wrong.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'too bad americans are widely regarded as ignorant by the rest of the world, lol'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zun: 'Well, some are. But that impression is also fed by the idea that many non-Americans have that there's some reason why we should invest a lot of time learning about their particular countries. '
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zun: 'I have in the past often run into Aussies who get upset when Americans don't know who their PM is or whatnot. But there's really no reason we really need to. :)'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'i have seen news reports that americans cant find themselves on a map, let alone the countires they wage war on'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zun: 'Those reports are created by asking a bunch of people a question and then only showing the stupidest answers. I've seen the same done with citizens of other countries.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tsk, Rick Mercer showing how smart americans are'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'so american media like to perpetuate that americans are ignorant ?'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zun: 'I won't dispute that a lot of americans need better educating, but this myth that all americans are ignorant and stupid is just that.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Qaddosh: 'i'm american and i love chaser's war on everything'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zun: 'never good to generatlize.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Rick Mercer also interviewed American politicians'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'generalisations are just that, generalisations, the show the broad community, just because you and your mates are not like that doesnt mean 80% of your fellows are'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zun: 'But that applies even *more* to drawing stupid conclusions because some guy videotaped 10 or 15 clowns who couldn't find america on a map.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'chaser war was brilliant, too bad they were driven off air by politics'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zun: 'I guarantee I could make the same exact thing in Australia with little difficulty.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'do it'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zun: 'Send me a plane ticket and a videocam. :P'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'debate you said you could do it easy'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zun: 'Yes I could. That doesn't mean I am willing to spend the time and money to do it. :)'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Qaddosh: 'well, debate you too!'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Abandonhope laughs out loud at Qaddosh.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Are you smarter than a fifth grader" uses colored students that are not that educated -- Fox is crafty'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Qaddosh chuckles politely.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zun: 'Fox is something, but 'crafty' ain't the word I would select.'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'i wont argue that fox and all murdoch properties are shit'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'in fact murdoch owns the SINGLE newspaper in my city'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'fuck him'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Qaddosh rapidly nods twice at Abandonhope, in complete agreement.
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Venomangel: 'whats better a fart or a burp?'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Xmas eve today in coptic and orthodox catholic regions'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'do those heretics disbelieve in Santa Claus'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Riddim: 'Saint Nicholas is before the east/west schism'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Riddim: 'but, for what it's worth, other countries have different rituals about christmas'
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Santa Claus did the rounds two weeks ago on December 24th '
T3/r2/2011-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'where is the Aard orthodox Santa to give out presents  (greedygrin)'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zun: 'Finally, it all makes sense! http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/06/AR2011010602485.html?sid=ST2011010402167'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i demand a longer url!'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zun: 'I can paste one from google maps if you like. :)'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (BANNED) Panzer: 'yes'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Qaddosh: 'no'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (BANNED) Panzer waves a large bright yellow sign reading "MAYBE !!"
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daddy Spoke: 'Any of you players of black race, I would like to have an intelligent discussion about the new move in the US to censor Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer so that the word nigger does not appear in them for school children reading'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zun: 'What 'move' do you mean?'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (BANNED) Panzer: 'removing all instances of "nigger" and replacing them with "slave"'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Qaddosh: 'top remove the 'n-word' from mark twain novels'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Qaddosh: 'what he said'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daddy Spoke: 'they are basically removing Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer from schools OR removing the instances of nigger to replace them for slave'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Qaddosh: 'personally, i think it's stupid'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Qaddosh: 'it's whitewashing history'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Reaper Myrkul: 'well, if they replaced it with something else...but i'd say slave is worse :P'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yowzine: 'the question is if a slave necessarily has to be black.'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Venomangel: 'how you doing my niggas'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daddy Spoke: 'I always wonder, why is the "word" itself offensive?'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nibbly: 'also i think it's stupid to think that the one person of black race you debate this with would be representative of every person of color'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Qaddosh: '"Hey, let's pretend this thing in history never happened so maybe we can make the same mistake in the future."'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (BANNED) Panzer: 'I think that with the way black society has embraced that word there's no cause. I also think they're making this decision out of context/timeframe'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daddy Spoke: 'Nibbly it is stupid to assume I want to debate it with a black person because all of them think the same'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nibbly: '<--is stupid!'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (BANNED) Panzer: 'I don't know the word I'm looking for but this change removes a bit of somethingorother from the book'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yowzine: 'nigger is something complete different than slave.'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (BANNED) Panzer: 'I think his intention was discuss, not debate. he wantes a perspective'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zun: 'There are always people who want to revise things, I just don't understand where this claim is that it is being done in a general way. Who is it that is trying to do this?'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (BANNED) Panzer: 'agreed Yo'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Qaddosh: 'let's pretend this horrible moment in history never happened. what holocaust?'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yowzine: 'in 30 years they will censor it again, from slave to what?'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daddy Spoke: 'well, I saw it discussed on CNN video section'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yowzine: 'farmer?'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daddy Spoke: 'They are already doing it across several states'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nibbly: 'I just always think of Chris Griffin "Don't censor me!"'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (BANNED) Panzer: 'if you remove the racism from the book is that not revisionist history? when this dies down and future readers come to it the will say "look, these people weren't racists"'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zun: 'Nothing should be censored. The US has a first amendment for a reason. And there is no amendment that guarantees everyone the right not to be offended. It's particularly idiotic given that you have CURRENT music and books and films coming out with the word in it.'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Qaddosh is agreeing with that (BANNED) Panzer person again...
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daddy Spoke: 'well, it would solve middle east problems if we remove all references to hitler and death chambers'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yowzine: 'in germany black people were first called "neger" which is approximately the same as "nigger", then they were called "schwarze" (blacks), then afro-americans, now they sometimes call them "farbig" (colored) and so on...'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (BANNED) Panzer: 'the U.S. hasn't used it's constitution in ages'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yowzine: 'where is this going to end? and is the implication / connotation changing only because you find a substitute for "nigger"?'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nibbly: 'Not true! we use it as agitprop.'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nibbly: 'we kind of use the constitution the same way we use the bible--pick and choose.'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Qaddosh: 'and i can keep ,myself from never having to pee again as long as i can get over that pesky bladder thing'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zun: 'Getting hung up over words is for small minds. '
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yowzine: 'i wonder with what big minds come up then...'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daddy Spoke: 'So, the consensus here seems to be that it's ridiculous'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (BANNED) Panzer: 'words represent ideas. if you change the word you change the idea. and Zun your statement is incorrect on many levels'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Qaddosh is agreeing with that Zun person again...
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yowzine: 'words represent things!!!'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daddy Spoke: 'is there anybody who geniuly thinks that there would be a benefit from this?'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'its a trend of neutralising words so that they cause the least possible damage whenever used'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Yowzine raises her hand.
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daddy Spoke: 'Yowz?'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Qaddosh: 'words represent ideas and concepts, it's the ideas and concepts, the words are just words'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yowzine: 'I'd rather read homer & langley from doctorow now, than this new version...'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (BANNED) Panzer: 'unless you're psychic we need our words and their meanings to convey our thoughts.'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yowzine: 'heh, by stating it again this might not become more true :P'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'words have values, they represent something'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zun: 'What I meant was that people who assign *too much* meaning to a word are going overboard. We can put TV shows on during prime time that show graphic violence, but not that use the 'f word', for example. And sorry, but "nigger" doesn't deserve any special status compared to other racial or ethnic slurs.'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yowzine: 'what is the value of a word?'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (BANNED) Panzer: 'see. all those words help to clarify what you said'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daddy Spoke: 'Yet you see people avoiding the word as if it were the plague'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Qaddosh: 'i could make upo a language where the word for love is snarfblatt and people would say 'i snarfblatt you." it doesn't matter what word you use, it only matters what that word means to people'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daddy Spoke: 'as if simply its utterance summoned slavery back'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'a word's value is what it means to you '
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zun: 'Regardless, NOBODY has the right to censor anything. If you want to ignorantly toss out Twain because of a word, that's your problem, keep it to yourself.'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yowzine: 'nah...'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yowzine: 'anyways, I think this censorship will help you us-americans to understand how we germans feel and felt the last 50 years :p'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daddy Spoke: 'well, that's the problem'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daddy Spoke: 'In school children get assignments'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Qaddosh: '1984. You can't be thinking those thoughts, you might hurt someone. Let me think for you. I'll keep you safe. Trust me.'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daddy Spoke: 'and the discussion involves letting children read Twain, but only the sanitized version'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zun: 'And heaven forbid that children should learn something historically significant?'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yowzine: 'god, not heaven.'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zun: 'there should be no 'sanitized versions' of anything.'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (BANNED) Panzer: 'I agree with maple. a word's value is its meaning to you. and therein lie a lot of problems as words have different meanings to diff people'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zun: 'there are no gods, but that's a different debate.'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Qaddosh: 'explain to the kids, inform them, keep them educated so they don't go around foolishly'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yowzine: 'thus a word can have unlimited values?....'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yowzine: 'makes it kinda worthless.'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'in theory yes'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Qaddosh: 'or let society raise your kids for you and see how that turns out'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (BANNED) Panzer: 'the people in power always wish to remain in power. they will do what they must to do so. until the general public stands up and says no this will continue. this is cyclical. it has happened before and will again'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daddy Spoke: 'playing devils advocate now Zun: What about children stories then? should we turn a thumb down on Disney for not making the Little Mermaid a cute story with a hppy ending?'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yowzine: 'you use the word kaffir in usa?'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daddy Spoke: 'I dont know what that is'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (BANNED) Panzer: 'I don't recognize that'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zun: 'Not really getting your point, Spoke. Disney has the right to do whatever they want, it's an adaptation, and not of a literary classic.'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yowzine: 'it's pejorative for a black person.'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yowzine: 'and an adaptation should be censored?'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daddy Spoke: 'who is to say then that what they are doing is not simply studying a "Children adaptation" of Twain's works?'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yowzine: 'and if words represent ideas it's kinda doubtful to say they have unlimited values'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yowzine: 'that would make them kinda meaningless.'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Qaddosh: 'educate the child on what that word was used for rather than have the kid not know what it is so so guy can come up and be like "hey, this word mewans good things!, you should use it"'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'aren't some words pretty meaningless already?'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Qaddosh: 'if you don't educate your children, there are plenty of sickos who are more than willing to'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yowzine: 'i think what you mean with value is rather an association evoked by the word in your mind. '
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'ah, ye yow'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Qaddosh: 'that's what words are, they are saymbols that mean different things to different  people'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'and at different times'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Qaddosh: 'censoring it like that is admitting it has power over us'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yowzine: 'I guess no one denied that.'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'absolutely'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Qaddosh: 'it scares us so we keep it away'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zun: 'if they want to make an adaptation of Twain's work that's their right. Just don't claim it is Twain's actual book. Regardless, all of this is pointless idiocy, and makes as much sense as trying to prevent kids from hearing the 'f word', even though they'll be using it by the time they are 10 or 11 no matter what you do. '
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Qaddosh: 'i don't have any problem with making an adaption, just don't whitewash history and pretend things didn't happen'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daddy Spoke: 'in fact the f-word is not kept away only from children, tune-in Comedy Central at 11 pm and its censored there too'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (BANNED) Panzer: 'this boils down to letting society do our parenting for us'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daddy Spoke: 'well, that's the point, if we argue for the freedom of making adaptative derivative works, and against censorship, how do we define which one is happening when children are asked to study the modified version?'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'which isn't working very well, parenting is the sole responsibility of parents'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daddy Spoke: 'is it the 'system' whitewashing story? or choosing to show the adaptative work instead'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'unfortunately parents today are too busy being pals with their kids and try to stay 25'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daddy Spoke: 'Well, I enjoyed the brief discussion, thank you all for pitching in, tunning off now'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (BANNED) Panzer waves goodbye to Daddy Spoke.
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GreatWizard: 'is the subclass Diva neccesary?'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Reaper Myrkul: 'definitely not, since there's no such thing'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GreatWizard: 'race, sorry'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zun: 'Is anything necessary?'
T3/r2/2011-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GreatWizard: 'onley if you make most of it :)'
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Shiny, see?'
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you shouldn't discuss all the shit that pops into your head on barter after seeing a qp transfer on rauc every fucking time. discuss'
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'no u'
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nor are you clever because you manage to point out a qp transfer in 5 lines or more'
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'red, want to give me your 57k qp? :)'
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'no u'
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'you know you want to :p'
T3/r2/2011-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'd setwanted people instead, but i'm planning to spend the tp on coke and hookers'
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Remarto tells Ohm "Welcome back!"
T3/r2/2011-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'what is going on'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'No!  I refuse to use this channel!'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: '... oh wait.'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'TECH JHAV'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I frankly wasn't even paying attention to what people were saying.'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Which, on the whole, is a healthy thing to do here.'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'agreed.'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'old isn't necessarily the same as thick'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'mxit should be banned, discuss.'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'a final solution!'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'if i cannot read, i will not help'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Miz: 'why mxit?'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'actually, i think it's not that bad any more since the worst ones are b& by their mxit uid'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Eleksis's Remarto mutters something quietly to himself.
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'aye.'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'my racetalk has been about inane mxit babble during past few days tho'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'laguages are never constant, they evolve all the time'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Miz: 'i never use racetalk'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'we can think whatever we want about it, its gonna change anyway'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i propose all mxit talk would be directed to gossip. no normal person has it on anyway :P'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'over a cell phone? no reason the english language should succumb to that'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'but I really hate the l33t talk with a passion'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'if you cant be bothered to type in coherent proper sentences using proper words, then people have the right to not be bothered to reply you.'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Wishmaster Jubileus noddles in total agreement at Seltsimees Dagnir.
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'I don't help people who spell like morons anyway.'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'Doesn't stop me from getting anoyed tho'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i think we should ban all non-mccp connections'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I agree.'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'haven't you ever heard ppl say "lol" instead of actually laughing?'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'except telnet users.'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'Yeah! They're the reasons for our lag!'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nah, some decent folks use plain telnet sometimes'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'telnet users too'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'they should get a client!'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'jubileus *annoyed'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what if you can only access it from the library'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'there are people who have been on telnet from day 1 :p'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's not about common acronyms, maple'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'their is nothing wrong with proper accepted internet slang. making stuff up cause you are lazy is different'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i guess new windows doesn't even have telnet on it though, like vista'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'oh lol. I'm half asleep so mind the spelling >.>'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'I try!'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'Progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to get things done.'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'yeah. on aardwolf they learn to find a map and do it themselves'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's the retards use "words" like ur, u, wut etc'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Eleksis's Remarto is agreeing with that A Piece Of Herodotus person again...
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'lol the message you wrote that in said people spell like morons... the irony was too much to ignore'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'how hard is it to type couple of extra letters?'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'werd dagnir d00d'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'wut?'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'must be too hard'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i don't mind non-native speakers confusing you're and your tho. shit happens'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'I find it harder to spell like a moron than type normally'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'wut? I just love that word - I got this image of a kid just tall enough to reach up to the keyboard ...'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir nods at Wishmaster Jubileus.
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vampfox: 'i dont think mxit should be banned. It maybe true that users of mxit are from SA and dont like typing long messages...most of the ones dagnir and other overly intelectuall people have are the kids that wind up playing aard. they have learned however to use english...well broken sentences do apply though...lol'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'haha yeah exacty'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'I wouldn't have mxit banned. I just ant people to learn to diy'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shizy: 'its not spelling like a moron.. I can spell properly and use mxit lang why is it an issue i think you are being lazy for not wanting to ebrace something new...'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'point is, if you use a bunch of interesting acronyms on barter and cannot get anyone to auction something, that is not our fault'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'most aard players are adults who can spell and are used to seeing readable english on the channels for years'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that makes mxiters extra annoying'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'Shizy: It's not something new. Mxit slang /is/ just by fact moronic on a game that has people who are VI'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i guess they wouldn't be noticed on wow, for example'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'if you like those acronyms, fine. do no get mad when no one helps you'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'personally i skip over them. i do not bother finish reading them.'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vampfox: 'using normal language makes things clear. and if mxit lang does become part of aard....im shooting myself. cause ive seen the new acronyms...theyre really crap'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'Ohm: I actually read them for shits and laughs.'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'like I said, 1% of population here uses mxit, there isnt a need to worry.'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'well, it is hard to read them though battlespam... so... i don't even bother'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'ive never heard this "mxit" word before'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, that 1% can still hurt the communication and language standards that we are used to having here'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'Sneak: That statistic is irrelevant'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I agree.'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'therefore, it should be banned'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sneak nods.
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'i think i need to google mxit real quick.'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvendar: 'it's a very noisy 1%'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it sticks out hardcore when you're used to coherent english'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eleksis's Remarto: 'debate *sigh'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eleksis's Remarto: 'oops sorry'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'people can mud using mxit? seems as if it would be harder than old fashioned telnet'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'Anyone remember Advenchurer? That guy screwed up my own spelling so much...'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'finger ghostsoul'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'Just did lol'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'And fireninja'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'also, that kind of language is disrespectful. it leaves an impression that the speaker has more interest in speaking than being heard and understood. kind of like a teenager on msn'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'Very accurate, Dagnir :D'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): <awesome> Ohm nods at Seltsimees Dagnir.
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'isn't that just a part of being young? Ego-centric?'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir nods.
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and adults despise it'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'cuz we were young once :)'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'when i was young, our teachers made sure we could read'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Miz: 'most mxit players are 14-16 years old'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'its not 100% about being egocentric'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'part of it is having interaction with their grammar and lexicon'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i think average aard player is around 30 or so'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shizy: 'miz ur wrong'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir slaps Shizy.
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'i still find it annoying'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Miz: 'most of them shizy'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'but i think some learn from it'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'how hard is it to type "you're"?'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Miz: 'i did work at mxit once'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'english, motherfucker. do you speak it?'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how could you even make generalizations about their ages?  not only are they from south africa on a strange communications device, on a american multi user dungeon with several interesting connections , they're also 16'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'I'm 15, mxitless, proud of it.'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'must be more difficult than we can imagine'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'apparently very, but seems even harder to understand it based on the number of incorrect uses i see daily'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i don't know if it's a fake memory, but that language wasn't common here years ago :\'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvendar: 'not to mention the sense of entitlement about getting help.'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'what? what? what ain't no country i ever heard of. they speak english in what/'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvendar: 'but that's another can of worms entirely'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, the use of that language isn't the worst thing. the worst thing that could happen is that it would be considered normal and accepted'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i understand that not all of us are native speakers, but ffs - make an effort. don't be proud of your inability to communicate in english and just call it <whatever>-talk'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Elvendar nods at Seltsimees Dagnir.
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'it is ok. when i see a mxit on auc, i dont even read it. maybe i should point to a map'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'on barter, i mean.'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'was just thinking about all the countries that adopt english into their own language'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'isn't america one of them.'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'not only is it ugly, its very ineffective as well'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'my english wasn't as good when i started playing aard. i think chatting here has helped to improve it a lot'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i learned to type here!'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'adopt accepted US or british english.'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'I don't even like that Ohm'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'it's also why my typing is rather odd with my little finger pressing only the enter button'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'ok.. why?'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'since you don't really need to use it much in normal typing'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'redryn - i do the same thing'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you would if you touchtyped, redryn'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'I learnt to type here and a lot of English rules. Then I started misspelling things again, like addict, adventurer...'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'in marketing of swedish products they use "some" english cool sounding words that really make me go "for f**'s sake"'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i use it a lot'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i meant use the return key in typing essays and so on'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'you're supposed to be typing letters with the little finger'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '/-=+\? - all right pinky ;)'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'well, if you want to partially adopt a language, that is different'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'which you don't use much in aard '
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'hence i end up using other fingers for that :/'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'lets see about the letters - slz'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'but 100% adopt a language? do it correctly. what would you think of americans partially adopting swedish, then acting like we know the language properly?'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'left pinky only does 'a' the rest is punctuation'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'you have adopted a few words '
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'like smorgasboard'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'like ombudsman'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'embracing a few words is not the same as speaking fluent swedish'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'the german language adopted a ton of english words'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'don't know if they are in use anymore, but they were 20 years ago'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'english is pretty much a combo-language'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'like a fag and a fag, a bungholio and a bunghole'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'i am just tired of all these kids who barely graduated high school tearing up aard and facebook with their lack of grammer'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'we are doing something wrong in europe, we should stop the english import of words and look east :)'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'scandinavian, germanic, latin, britannic etc mixed togather'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'jolly mate, isn't it a gay day for a walk in the park!'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'grammar*, ohm'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'no your wrong'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'air, heir, hare'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'ah misspell'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir grins evilly at Redryn.
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'the official language of the USA was almost german. lost to english by one vote'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'hey, my native tounge goes back 10k years or so. beat that :P'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it is confusing to hear, i mean the sky is blue and the sky is blew since the winds are there :o'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'the official language of the world was almost german, lost by 1 winter'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's taken for granted by us though'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'bullshit, redryn'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'did not learn from napoleon'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'germans didn't have interest in making everyone speak german natively ;)'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the commies did tho'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'once you get conquered you speak it sooner or later'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'other languages seem alot clearer, and less ambiguity among their words for things, sin means no in latin, in english it's a crime against god'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'satan means saint evil, what is saint?  who knows'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'sin means without in latin'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it does?  i watched a translated video on the mysterious stranger, and i think google translate agrees with that'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'sin=without in spanish?'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'that is why sin means without in spanish'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'latin words may have more than one meaning'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'primary is without'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'hostes in latin mean guest and also enemy'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i might have a final solution for the mxit menace - set up a mxit-only stock rom mud and get it listed. it only has to be more easily accessible than aard'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'maybe add a bunch of dummy players with a chat bot with broken grammar to keep them thinking that there are more people like them around'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'i am curious how one properly can mud using mxit. it was hard enough with telnet'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yeah. i can barely read my notes on telnet :P'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'ever missed a letter in telnet duing a sw? oh man...'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'i broke down and got zmud'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and no and know, do you no what i'm saying, know?  do you reject or accept, that is a confusing twist, having denial and knowledged sound the same'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'eh?'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zun: 'Ooooh, word salad. Let me grab my dressing.'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: '?'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the almighty grammar hath spoken'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'gave up after two attempt to decipher that '
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the putter puts the ball in the hole with a put'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): .Faust Necroshine claps half-heartedly, clearly unimpressed.
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yeah, i didn't understand necroshine either'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'that was clear as ... something that is very clear'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'as heavy as a really heavy thing'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'or at tall as a six foot three in tree'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'but clearerer'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): .Faust Necroshine sighs.
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'people just can't question the language they speak and how it came to be as it is'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'twists and turns in a clear sentence'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'do you no what i'm saying?'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'hmm, I think that the speed of change at the moment is nothing compared to what it will be'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'comprende'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '^ indian hello'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'como=how'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zun: 'why does anyone need to 'question' their language? of course it evolves, and most people know that.'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'you'll spend the whole night picking up the current lingo only to walk out in the morning already being an exile - linguistically'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how the hell did how ever become hellow, and how the hell did how become how?  howie how!'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): .Faust Necroshine is waving a piece of glistening poo and screaming "Howdy-Ho"!
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'wut ru tkln bout?'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'wut?'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'wut?'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'very enriching discussion, this exchange of wuts :)'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and where did the authors of mister hanky get that saying from'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vampfox: 'hanky spanky'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zun: 'Debate channel or spam channel?'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'helter skelter'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'hmm, which is correct in english - "more intelligent" or "intelligenter"?'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the offical languages spoken in a place where the only white man is a foreign mineral corporation, such as nunavut and the northwest territories, is english and frensh'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'sincere question...really...'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'more intelligent is correct'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and quebec wants to be a member of the country called france'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and the indians still speak their own language'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'the indians have meny native languages'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'many, even'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'In Sweden that was also correct but ppl now say intelligenter...'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zun: 'Necroshine, you sound intoxicated. Maple, "intelligenter" is not a word.'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'which now is correct :)'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if i sound anything at all, then you're showing signs of schizophrenia, as this is electricity'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'over more intelligent?'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'does electricity have a voice'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'ye'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'wait for the thunder'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'and s'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what did your inner voice say the outer words sounded - like'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'rubbish faust'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zun: 'Snore. You don't come off as profound, just silly.'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'uh... using the word intelligent, like that, especially that word, makes the sayer of intelligeter as.... not intelligent'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you come off as a bugs bunny saying'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but i'll let the cartoons speak for you'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'bugs bunny was awesome'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zun: 'Man, what is it with some people.'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vampfox poops in .Faust Necroshine's shoes, and runs off, cackling in delight!
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'rascally rabbit'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'no offense to swedish people'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'for using that borrowed american word. '
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'wouldn't know offense even if it hit me in the middle of my face'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'just... wierd i guess.'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they teach french to children in canada, which is mainly english speaking, and quebec's regional language is french accepted by the canadian government and spread abroad, and this little area of land wants to be a part of france, why is it that so many other little area's of land don't have their own deviances placed on the table of children in school in montreal?  '
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lets learn cherokee, sanskrit tomorrow'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'slow down. chinese. since virtually everything the average american buys in wal mart is made in china'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'nothing says american like waving an american flag made in china.'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'no really, i hear they produce alot in mexico, from the detroit news of their missing factory'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'oh, mexico, vietnam, honduras. but electronics? china. '
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe china makes like they do in south africa, and own the operation paying the profiteer that enslaves his people in the procuration of some mineral or device'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'american companies have alot of production in central and south america'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'china has a lot of rare earth metals'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'wal mart is owned by 3 forbes top 100 billionairres'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'china is a very very rich country'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'they sure are'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if they're so american , then why would they chase the almighty dollar overseas instead of making their own people wealthy?'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'it is easier to use the dollar'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'wealth is not for everyone :)'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zun: ''Rich' is a relative term.'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'we pay them in it, and they attach their currency to it'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'absolutely zun'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'just easier to get paid accepting the US dollar in china'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so say they have a condo in detroit, and they removed a business that gave a bunch of people their legit paycheques in a month, because they were greedy and seen more profit to be gained by exploiting the unregulated mexican workforce (7 year old children with cocaine to escape from, fast money or legit money, where's the bottom line?  is there alot of cocaine to peddle in the area the wal mart factory is located?  might have some easy pickings)'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and they're alowed to live in luxury by removing people of america's way to make money to buy things, and still taking more from them'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'business as usual in the US'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'move production to the cheapest country'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'how expensive is an cocaine addiction?'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'very.'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'on a monthly basis...?'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'well, depends actually. where you get it'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'we're talking hundreds? thousands?'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'depending where you get it, yah'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zun: 'No way to answer that. Depends on the particulars.'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'was just starting to wonder, if seems to me like the poorer or more uneducated you are, the more likely you go to drugs?'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'regarding the outsourcing they have already reported where the bottom line is'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'why do so many born rich people get so hooked on them then'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'drugs turn a quick profit. if you have no other choice, the money is good'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'its on the news: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYaZ57Bn4pQ'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zun: 'Not really true. Especially the one you mentioned, cocaine, has traditionally been a 'rich man's' drug.'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'ahhh... '
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'buy it low over the mexican border. break it up, sell if for huge profit.'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'ah! i was looking at it wrong perhaps, those drug addicts became poor after they started on drugs'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i wonder how deeply trainloads of the rich man's corporate products get searched for cocaine'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'they are not done outsourcing in the US'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they found a fruit pulverizing machine on the washington/b.c border with a few kilograms of cocaine in one of its tubs'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'heading for kelowna iircs'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'rich men never get searched for it. law enforcement in mexico is a money making thing'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's secondary packaging, isn't it?'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zun: 'Well other drugs are aimed more at the poor. Crack for example is a cheaper version of cocaine. Meth has devastated small rural communities in North America.'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'a few kilograms? that is nothing'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zun: 'And of course, there are the drugs that aren't often included in drug discussions, like alcohol, tobacco, caffeine, etc.'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'in contrast it's not, but that's a few less tens of thousands of dollars in the pockets of the people who stuff it down peoples noses'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i seen what it can do to people'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'no one forces people to do coke.'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'an addiction drives the user'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vampfox: 'people force themselves'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'met one woman in a rehab center who had 1/4 of 1 lung left in her chest, living on an oxygen tank, the rest having been claimed by chalk from crystal meth and pills and crack'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'she was sure a eye opener'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'i bet it was'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'see a heroin user'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'i only hope i never get into such an addiction'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'that will open your eyes. that or crystal meth.'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maple: 'the last idiot isn't born yet - market is still open'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vampfox: 'why hope? Just dont...hoping gives your mind a chance to turn on itself and give false comfort when it comes to the point you have meth or coke available.'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'yup, i've stayed clean, never even smoked or drunk, but you'd never know what can happen'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vampfox: 'dont even think it. Our minds are too fragile'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and also, you said that isn't very much, and maybe it was a hundred kilo's even, whatever it was, i read about a way they smuggle from mexico into the states called shotgunning, where they split up the supply into several smaller supplies, expecting some of the smugglers to get caught, the expendables, while others will make it over the border'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'way to fix that would be to halt all traffic in and out across the border until it's determined if there's other's sneaking by or not'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'yeah that is how it is done'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you can get from montreal to vancouver in about 2 hours, maybe 4'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'you use math to figure out some will get caught. as long as the majority dont, you are ok'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'wait... YVR to YYZ?'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what if they buried a chainlink fense across the breadth of the border , with fibre optic wire's ingrained in the chainlink, and only known by administration sensor's that detect on which side the signal was lost and where exactly it was lost'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'costs too much'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if it doesn't weed out the crooks flawlessly, only known by a few its overall layout, then the administration would be a little more paranoid about being slick if ever there was a crook up there'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'expensive to who though?'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'things that can be produced within a military base?'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'someone has to pay for it. taxes go up'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'why do you think so?'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'go build a military base on a nice beach with a coal mine behind you'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'besides, there is a great deal of money to be made paying cops to overlook the situation'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then you can use your soldiers to procure the raw materials and build it for free'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'there is no way all this coke comes in the US without cops getting paid. no one will change anything'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i thought coke was cia's business'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'it is.'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'Cocaine Importation Agency'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'one of the conspiracy theories i consider to be true'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'it is true BBC did an expose of it'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'hm? what programme?'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'whats the theory? that theyve dabbled in an industry that enables untraceable money ?'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'i think it was back in the 90s. there is a cop how got fired in california after he proved the CIA was directly invovled in drug running'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'nice broadcast system set up, that sends an outgoing real-time signal of the state of the fence, in a human readable format and in binary to anybody who wants to see , disallowing any access to the disconnected from the grid control station'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'make some nice semi-omnipotent security systemms'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'open to the public that lives within the neccessary fence'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'basically supporting south american regimes/contras with drug money (while keeping the black man down with crack)'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'well of course they do drug running, that's not a conspiracy, it's a way to make money outside their budget...'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'RFID is cheaper necroshine'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'hey administrator, are you breaking the simplistic agreement and removing our security from our sight?'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'and building nderground bases all over the USA using cocaine money'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'for what purpose?'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'mushambo - https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/CIA_and_Contras_cocaine_trafficking_in_the_US'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'who knows. security.'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'money'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'well... well, yeah'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'as far as i know, cia pretty much introduced cocaine and crack to the masses'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'sounds like what i heard'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'yeah b/c the drugs never existed before...and it's not like the public generally seeks out new substances'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'cocaine was around, but it wasn't big'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'the ancient egyptian pharoahs tested positive for cocaine'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they say the original recipe for coca cola, did indeed include coca, discovered in a egyptian hieroglyph'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'that is why it is called coca cola. had cocaine in it. search cracked.com'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'err, egyption hieroglyphs aren't pictograms, necro'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they can say all kinds of things can't they?  but the old caucasian? chinaman discovered with the bowl of weed between his legs, from around 2500 years ago, they figure, shows that drugs have been known for awhile'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'they're letters and syllables. so how was the coca plant described?'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'lots of ancient cultures smoked weed.'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'cannabis has been used for thousands of years for pretty much everything'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how did the pyramid in the valley of mexico and the pyramids in giza happen to share the exact same latitude during their guestimated time of construction, if the ocean was first crossed only 500 years ago?'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'because the design makes fucking sense'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that's the easiest way to build large structures'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'uh if pharoahs did cocaine, which is from south america only, they crossed the ocean'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'b/c thats where the populations were centered'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's what i figure, i don't think coca grows wild in africa at all'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no doubt the ocean was crossed tho'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe they came back with a shipment'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'cocaine is from south america'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but pyramid shaped buildings are as basic as the wheel'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'and cocaine requires processing, its not the leaf...khat does exist in africa though'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'huge shipment'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i have doubts over heavy shipping and communication, but i guess they were able to cross oceans'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but hey, the pyramid argument still sucks'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'for cocaine money, you woudl invent a way'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'hehe the smugglers now use home-made submarines, now that requires courage...or desperation'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'pyramid arguement was only to link egypt and south america during the time of the pharoahs'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but it doesn't link them'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'or enough cocaine money to buy submarines off the russians'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and open the possibility that there is indeed, some knowledge of coca use in a drink maybe, written about in some archaic way in their walls'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'no no they build them themselves too, how would you like to be the guy inside ?'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or whatever else had writing on it'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'i dont think the poor egyptians did coke.'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'you been inside one?'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'thats based on the theory that coca was expensive back then...'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'to get it across the ocean'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'that is never cheap'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'also, i guess if there was an intercontinental travel, they would have done engravings and shit to record it. it's kind of a big deal'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but the aztecs fed their ritual victims peyote before cutting out their still beating hearts, is there some element of ingenuity missing on egypts part in this consideration, if we assume otherwise?'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'according to a professor in harvard anyways'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you have to see where the facts bring you with these things, not have ideas and try to back them up with scavenged facts'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'also, occam's razor'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'cant we talk about something we can all agree with? like 911 truth ?'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'we can agree that cocaine is a mighty drug'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'having idea's is how you begin to test those idea's with your mind and what reality shows'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yeah, but you can't pick and choose your facts ;)'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what is most likely given this gathered reality, and the outcome of this possible hypothetical event?'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dash: 'obviously we live in the Stargate universe and alien civilization brought us the Coca plant and made it with our women'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'depends on which one tho. i've played shadow of chernobyl and clear sky lots'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'mis'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i still think that the pyramid link sucks a bag of dicks'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that's it - i want better proof'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'a whole bag? or half a bag?'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'not ruling anything out, but i want cold hard facts'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and i think egypt still has kings to this day, and very little is reported from it also, people have been reported as having been tortured to their death there'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'that is gitmo bay'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'the king was Bush'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's possible too'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'uh that is fact'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think i seen aljazeera articles with input from cia agents'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'waterboarding. '
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'heh, i have more respect for al jazeera than cnn, for example. http://www.kabobfest.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/cnn-vs-aljazeera.jpg'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'al jazeera does report the news'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/news/97727.html Sa'ieda Souror's 12-year-old son Mohamed Mamdouh Abdel-Aziz died days after he was arrested and allegedly tortured by police after he was detained on suspicion of having stolen four packs of tea.'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i see things on aljazeera a day before they appear on canadian news, sometimes they never do'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'uh their are innocent arabs arrested and tortured for being arab. forget 4 packs of tea'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'well im glad to know yall will be added, if you werent on already, to the cia watch list for your terroristic opinions'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'we were already'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what's your definition of terrorst?'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'somebody you feel threatened by but poses no threat all'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'i have none. the US government has a vague legal definition'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'spreading real information is a crime, you're on our watch list, don't recite the lyrics to the music we sell through MTV , protected by national security, in public'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'dare not criticize the artist or their inspiration, or display disgusting psychology's that we possess in a satyrical fashion'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'that appears to be part of the US governments definition'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'fuck that shit'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'oh, and i don't follow any priests on earth, and i have no followers'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'hey. you dont want them to come for you...'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't fear bullies at all'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think i would try to kill them with the butt end of the butcher knife'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'guns... different story'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '50 calibre sniper rifle, mr.government this is a civilian arms'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you'll have to use a 308 and call it a hunting accident, or accidental homicide invoked by internet rage maybe'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'otherwise you have some canada versus usa in the works'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'well dont let them know all you techniques up front'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'be right back. gotta take advantage of dbl exp'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tealos: 'I win.'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tealos: 'Gimme.'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eleksis's Remarto: 'lol'
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Eleksis's Remarto nods at Assilsa.
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Eleksis's Remarto looks at Assilsa and goes "Hmmmm."
T3/r2/2011-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eleksis's Remarto: 'ok'
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'even necroshine doesn't have an opinion :\'
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'impossible'
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you can take the unpopular side of a fight even without knowing wht it's about'
T3/r2/2011-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir yawns.
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Belthazar: 'this is ....'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cranar: 'cheese'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL perks up, something must have grabbed his attention.
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL drools all over himself -- making a TERRIBLE mess!
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Belthazar: 'do we really have no topics?'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Affected: 'I disagree!'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: '^'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cranar: 'Does the Federal Reserve need to be abolished?'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cranar: 'Discuss.'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'theres always a topic... its just a matter of finding ppl that give a damn'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'For the most part, the people who are most vocal about wanting to abolish the Federal Reserve have no idea what they're talking about.'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'i fail at leveling... discuss'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'true that'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'Which is to say, maybe the Fed should be abolished and maybe it shouldn't, but the "abolish the fed" side of the debate is not well represented.'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'on that note... whenever ppl get vocal in most cases they are retarded and have no idea what they whine about'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Huan: 'how do you measure a level of "having idea"?'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'they have no knowledge on topic'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'they just whine for the sole purpose of whining'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cranar: 'I feel like I know something.'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'i think i saw aliens...'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cranar: 'Discussion over.  I win.'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'moving on to me failing at mudz'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'Perhaps we should impose certain qualifications for voting.  Examples might include:'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Belthazar: 'y?'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: '1.  If you believe the IRS is not a government agency, you aren't allowed to vote.'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cranar: 'the Federal Reserve isn't the IRS>'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: '2. if you voted for obama you are permanently banned from voting'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'Thank you Cranar, you can vote. :)'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'lol'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cranar: 'I choose not to.'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Belthazar: 'republicans 8o'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cranar: 'Well, I do vote...I just not choose to vote for either republican or democratic candidates.'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cranar: 'So in essence....'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'If you think the paper money that the government prints is worthless and isn't real money, maybe you can vote, but you have to send all your worthless "federal reserve notes" to me.'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cranar: 'I don't vote.'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cranar: 'The US government doesn't print money.'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'I'm reconsidering letting you vote, Cranar. :)'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cranar: 'The Federal Reserve prints all money in the US.  They are not a government agency.'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'Paper money is printed by the Bureau of Printing and Engraving.'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Belthazar: 'they dont have enough oil to print money'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cranar: 'They might physically do it, but they have no control over it.'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'And the Federal Reserve is controlled by the Board of Governers, which is appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate, just like any other government officer.'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cranar: 'The Board of Governors is a voting body within the Federal Reserve, but they do not hold all the power in it.'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cranar: 'Remember, the Federal Reserve is privately owned.'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'They hold the power to control the monetary policy, which is what you're refering to.'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cranar: 'Policy is based on what the owners do.'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'No it isn't.  Individual federal reserve banks sell "shares" to private banks, which have to buy an amount of stock set by statute.  But all "owning" that stock entitles the bank to is a small dividend (also set by statute) based on the profits of the individual Fed branch.'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'The federal reserve system as a whole is very definately NOT privately owned.  It is controled by the Board of Governers, and individual banks have not power over them.'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'If you can't sell it, and you don't control it, then in what sense (if any) do you "own" it?'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cranar: 'The system is not.  The organization is.'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cranar: 'If you hold shares, you have a say through the people with "power".'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'Holding shares in the Federal Reserve does not give a bank any power to appoint (or block the apointment) of the people who actually govern the federal reserve.  '
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cranar: 'seriously, I know it all.  I studied it for a half hour on wikipedia and wikileaks while drinking a 6 pack.  don't challenge me.'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'Holding shares in the Federal Reserve does not give a bank any power to appoint (or block the apointment) of the people who actually govern the federal reserve.  '
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: '(sorry -- inadvertent repitition)'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Belthazar: 'lets discuss religoun'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cranar: 'I'm not really debating anymore because I'm not reading...double exp'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cranar: 'if you haven't figured it out with the rambling :P'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cranar: 'Religon for me?  I worship what you want to, and to attract all those who want to poke fun of others, I put up a billboard celebrating it.'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Belthazar: 'haha'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cranar: 'There's a devil, standing there with his goatee and pitchfork, liquor bottles all over the floor, naked chick in one arm, a doobie in one hand and a beer bottle in the other.'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cranar: 'Above and below says "Satan....F*** it, have a good time!"'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Belthazar: 'you really have some god probs'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cranar: 'No I don't.  They have problems with me.'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Belthazar: 'same here'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Belthazar: 'i have researched all of the head believes and i really need to get some of that weed'
T3/r2/2011-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cranar: 'Early christian priests used to rub down their skin with cannuba oil to commune with God.'
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'With all these evil "papists" I'm supposed to kill in Rosewood Castle, it's a good thing I, myself, am not a devout Roman Catholic.'
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kathie Lee Nibbly: 'that's not the only reason!'
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kathie Lee Nibbly starts slamming her head into a drum repeatedly.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'I mean, just because someone happens to believe in transubstantiation and apostlic succession, is that a reason to kill him?'
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'And isn't Lasher God anyway?'
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kathie Lee Nibbly: 'That's what I learned in 8 years of catholic schooling.'
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kathie Lee Nibbly: 'that, and how to roll a J'
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'In 8 years of Catholic schooling, you learned that Lasher was God?'
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kathie Lee Nibbly nods.
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kathie Lee Nibbly: 'it was a good school.'
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'not if it took 8 years to learn that'
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'Sounds like the kind of school I should send my kids to.'
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kathie Lee Nibbly: 'Dokkar, it's a complex theory.'
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kathie Lee Nibbly: 'i mean, truth.'
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kathie Lee Nibbly: 'I meant truth!! I will say 10 Hail Aylas for penance.'
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: '"In the beginning, Lasher set up the server.  But the server was without form and void.'
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'kinda like L=AO^2?'
T3/r2/2011-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kathie Lee Nibbly nods at Dokkar.
T3/r2/2011-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dhampir Jutduli goes -Pinaaauuu!!!
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'America is such a great nation that we were even strong enough to survive the Bush presidency.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tealos: 'You call this surviving?'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Look, we survived worse presidents.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'than bush?'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Harding.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tealos nods at <awesome> Ohm.
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tealos: 'George washington still holds the title of worst president in US history.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Really Tealos?  How come?'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I am curious as to this reasoning.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'he was the butcher of the iroquois indians'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tealos: 'To truly have this discussion we would have to go over every president.  I don't care enough to do so. Like who you want hate you want.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'If being a butcher of indians is the criteria, Andrew Jackson would have to be the Worst President in History.  '
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'he was the number one indian killer, that is correct'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'The think I like about Washington is the simple fact that he COULD HAVE become a dictator, or a monarch, if he had wanted to, but he chose not to.  You have to admire that.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'maybe he just didn't leave enough for anyone to beat his record'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tealos: 'I'm curious what people think about Lincoln.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I think Lincoln made a lot of bad choices for good reasons.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'lincoln is a toss up. good points and bad'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tealos: 'good?'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'I have mixed feelings about Lincoln.  I think he's definately one of the most OVERRATED presidents in American history.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon nods at Lamya.
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tealos nods.
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'he issued our own currency. but he fought wars by picking generals who used human beings as cannon fodder'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'In the long run, it was actually better for the individuals living in the south that they lost, but I also think they had the right to secede from the union.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tealos: 'Heh, well the north didn't have anything compared to Lee.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'i just think no one told us the real reason for succession'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'lincoln, during his debates, had no position on slavery'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Lincoln's goal was to keep the USA together by any means necessary.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Maybe, but they were a bit hypocritical on the "right to secede" issue.  Attempts to secede from the Confederacy were met with armed suppression.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'true, but why did the south suceed? slavery was not the first most issue.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'lol. maybe it was taxes'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon nods at Lamya.
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tealos: 'Debate looks like barter apparently'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eleksis's Remarto: 'lol'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Ohm, part of it was that the north was industrialized and the south was agrarian. I will in no way say the South were good guys, I'll just say they had at least a legal basis for what they were doing.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, it seems the people of the United States are free, but not free to secede...'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Tarrifs was ONE issue, but the main issue was expansion of slavery into the territories.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's true. The North was petrified at having to compete with the cheap labor of the South.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'i agree, morinon, that economic factor was huge. '
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'so the south suceeded probably because they did not want laws passed in favor of the north?'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so giving a humanitarian tint to the Cival War doesn't really wash.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'yeah that slavery they teach us in school was to make it simple'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the South seceded because they wanted to mantain their economic status, yes.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'it became an issue when lincoln needed troops'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I won't say that the North was entirely good guys. However, I think the world is better today that the North won.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'And that that holds true for everyone in the USA.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tealos: 'The war officially started because a southern fort fired on a northern trading ship.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'maybe, maybe not. A slave revolt was surely in the horizon. Slave revolts are natural consequences of slavary.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'the US had slave revolts, going back to nat turner etc...'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Most slave revolts do not last long.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'And are put down harshly.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'spartacus'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon nods at <awesome> Ohm.
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Tell that to Hati.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and I suppose that would have been bad for the US at least, since blacks outnumbered whites in the South.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Haiti is the SINGLE success story, Lamya.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'some places, blacks still do outnumber whites'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Eleksis's Remarto nods at <awesome> Ohm.
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'And maybe Israel.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'And remember La Amistad.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, few people realize the impact that Haiti had on the western hemisphere.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'when Haiti revolted against Napoleon, the troops that eventually landed there to quell the revolt were actually in route to Louisiana. Napolion intended to take over North America.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'The Amistad nearly folded.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'They nearly lost their freedom when they hit US soil.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'thank goodness napoleon did not conquer the US'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'needless to say that the troops never made it to the mainland and Napoleon had to settle for selling the land to the US.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'that is the real reason for the lousiana purchase... they tell us in school how nice france was'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't know, Ohm, there is no real deference between masters, he certainly wouldn't have been worse that the people he would have supplanted.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Dirt cheap too.  Of course, it healed that France didn't really OWN the land it was "selling."'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Napoleon was strapped for cash.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'true, anaristos'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, neither the US own the land that it had either.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'He got money for his war fund, we got legitimacy over the Midwest, and then he tried to invade Russia.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'russia put a hurting on napoleon. and hitler'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'True Anaristos.  '
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wll you could almost forgive Napoleon for his stupidity, he didn't understand cold weather. But there is no excuse for Hitler.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Russia's greatest defense is Winter.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'didnt hitler visit a shrine to napoleon or something?'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'meth was never known to make folks smarter'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lywryn: 'russia used scorched earth tatics, it wasn't only the einter'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Hitler styled himself as a better general, so he set out to prove he could succeed where Napoleon failed. He ignored the cold weather and the will of the Russian people, the same factors that brought Napoleon down.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'obviously. two of the worst winters helped russia win two of its worst wars'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lywryn: 'winter'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Even then, Anar, he nearly won.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I doubt that a better winter would have mattered. It would have mattered to the Russians but I doubt the French could have told the difference :)'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tealos: 'Hitler lost because he was fighting a war on two fronts.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon nods at Tealos.
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Which was something he promised he wouldn't do.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, that was a big factor, no doubt.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'scorched earth is the way to go. i think the romans also used it'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tealos: 'Japan killed Hitler's conquest.  If they hadn't brought the US in he would've won.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lywryn: 'and so did the south'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US brought itself in.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'The most effective method the Romans used was Decimation.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'the US made plenty of money selling weapons to both the allied and the axis'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Killing a tenth.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tealos: 'We didn't provoke peral harbor.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'crassius used decimation to beat spartacus'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'we kind did provoke pearl harbor. the british knew it was coming'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US shamelessly forced Japan to go to war with them, then posed themselves as victims. The deaths at Pearl Harbor were sacrificial.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lywryn: 'we kind of did, our entire navy was there and that scared japan'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'british intelligence flat out told us intelligence what was going on at pearl harbor beffore hand'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'Does anyone know why the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbour? Did they really think they could beat the USA?'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'they were funneled into it'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tealos: 'So we baited them?'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'We basically maneuvered them into attacking us.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'i think the US was cutting off fuel reserves and they needed an easy way out'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'worse than tat, the US had a fleet station in Borneo and Sarawak. Their job was to stage follow all Japanese shipment, making the Japanese think that they were about to be attacked.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Yes.  FDR was well known as a master bater.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'anyone who kamikazes a valuable aircraft doesn't have what it takes to win'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'If that aircraft costs less than that battleship it just took out, congrats, you win.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'sounds like a story of a kid thwacking a beehive with a stick...'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that may be true, but an enemy who is willing to die is a formidable enemy.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'and the japanese were trying to surrender before the two atom bombs were dropped'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'it occurred to them up top the US was a bit unstoppable'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tealos: 'Send your peons to destroy battleships.  it was a good idea.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'the air craft were more valuable to the japanese than anything they could destroy with just one'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lywryn: 'japan would have never surrendered..'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'even before the 2 bombs were dropped, the US fire-bombed Tokyo, knowing that it was built mostly of wood.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'the japanese honor code would not want to surrender, but they knew they were losing bad'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'caught between ones pride, is what that was'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, Hirohito reluctantly declared war and with moth shame surrendered.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'yeah hiroshima and nagasaki. '
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Do you know that the bomb was dropped in Nagasaki not to make the Japanese surrender, which they had already signaled they would, but to see if the first one was a fluke or not.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'I'd love to see some high speed, high definition footage of a nuclear weapon being set off'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lywryn: 'the atom bombs were the US's show of force.  After that, it became the most powerful country in the world'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there are films of the bombs in Japan.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'wait... a second test run?'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, a second test run.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'interesting. '
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the Japanese weren't white, so the US didn't feel guilty about wasting their lives. The never considered using the bomb in Europe.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'the US became a military powerhouse after studying the german military when they won. we had brute force, but in terms of technology and all else we led behind. hence operation paperclip'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'when the first Japanese envoy came to the US, the papers called him "monkey".'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Paperclip goes deeper than that, the space program (NASA) for one.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'i actually saw a video in school during that times demonizing the japanese. i was like, this is pure racist propoganda'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'they already knew the boms would work before they dropped them'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'yeah... did you know a foo fighters was a german ufo?'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Every war produces racism.  Racism is an inevitible byproduce of warm'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'and the US people bought it hook line and sinker'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tealos: 'auc -h 9'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'much like today against brown skinned people halfway around the world'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mind you, I don't condone what the Japanese did during the war, like the rape of Nanjing, but at least they could claim that the Chinese would have done the same to them, and they had a long history of hostilities.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'during the war, the Nazis had many sympathizers in the US. For instance, Joseph Kennedy, JFK's father, had to be recalled from his post as US Ambassador to Britain for his open remarks in favor of Hitler.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'To say nothing of Charles Limburgh.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'and henry ford'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the Bush family worked with the Nazis during the war, helping them with their financing.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, those were a good pair. Limburgh and Ford.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'yeah dubya's granddaddy was hitler's banker'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and his father worked at the New York branch of the bank :)'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'and george bush sr was director of the cia before becoming president.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US was riddled with so many Nazi spies that Dewy, the governor of New York, offered Luciano a deportation back to Italy in exchange for having the mob clean up the Nazi influence at the New York docks.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but yet, they didn't make a German relocation camp...'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'really? did not know that'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, Luciano basically got a pardon and sent back to Italy.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'germans are white though'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the point'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'that is interesting. and they turned a blind eye to the mob killing the sympathizers?'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the mob did its mob thing while keeping an eye for Nazis and other sundry spy types.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'well, naturally. it was the mob'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'many of the spies came aboard ship, which was the main mode of international transportation in those days.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and New York was the main entry point for European arrivals.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'still is'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, but by air now :)'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the point is that the history taught at school is only a shadow of the truth. But the winner writes the history, so...'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'what churchhill said. history will be kind to us, because i intend to write it'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, he did. He was the happiest man in the world when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor :)'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'yeah, the US finally quit dragging its feet and helped the british'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'even though we were selling weapons to both sides'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the US dragged its feet because the people (who suppose to matter) didn't want to be involved in a war. Hence, Pearl Harbor.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'also, the american people remember WWI and did not want another wa'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'same with World War I. But then, almost miraculously, the Lusithania gets sunk in the high seas by a German U-Boat.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'talk about wag the dog'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and the Tonkin incident unloads the full force of the US armed forces onto Viet Nam. The fact that it was a phantom incident, notwithstanding.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the WMD trigger for the Iraqi war is a modern version of that incident :)'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'You mean kind of like 9-11 made us go to war with Iraq?'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'i know. so sad'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: '9-11 got us to Afghanistan.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'It was the WMD report that got us to Iraq.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'non existent WMDs'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tealos: 'We didn't really invade afghanistan.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, WMDs made the US go to war. But I blame the people's schooling, though. Their ignorance of what goes on in the world allowed Bush to lie to them and get away with it. Anyone with any sort of education would have known that there could not be any link between Sadam Hussain and al-qeda.'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'sure we did, we're still there, and still in iraq'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'the last person to conquer afghanistan was alexander teh great'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Anaristos: Clinton and his advisors thought there was. Or at least between Saddam and bin Laden'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Venomangel: 'is Escobar fat?'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zoogy: 'yes'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zoogy: 'lol is anyone on this channel anyways?'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) BobTheGreat: 'No'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zoogy: 'lol just another dead channal'
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Venomangel burps loudly.
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): BobTheGreat accidentally poops in his own shoes.
T3/r2/2011-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Taste's great, or less filling?'
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Are we debating anything today?'
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tenlorn: 'i can't decide'
T3/r2/2011-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'hm..DHS is censoring Jesse Ventura's conspiracy show?'
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'damn, goatse is almost 12 years old already'
T3/r2/2011-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kathie Lee Nibbly sheds a nostalgic tear.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kickit: 'what can playing aardwolf be classified as?'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'aarding'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'mutli-user-dungeon-and-dragon = mudd'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kickit: 'i see'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'http://finance.yahoo.com/news/House-GOP-Lists-25-Trillion-usnews-2718863982.html;_ylt=AuMtTtG22xC8.maRrkZfvhC7YWsA;_ylu=X3oDMTE1bDY3MzFwBHBvcwMzBHNlYwN0b3BTdG9yaWVzBHNsawNob3VzZWdvcGxpc3Q-?x=0=topStories=main=='
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'tinyurl kkthx'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nokthhx'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i like to see where i'm going :P'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'yea, its long.. very good read though.. 2.5T in cuts the gop house just came out with'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'finance.yahoo.com  domain is not hard to figure out by the link :P'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you can preview tinyurls :P'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'ill keep that in mind next time'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nah, i said that to majic. i have nothing against long urls'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I do, it's obnoxious to paste them :P'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'um.. just click on it'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'shouldnt need to c/p'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'don't have that set up'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'well, thats on you then.. lol.. '
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'just go to finance.yahoo.com  its the top story right now so its not hard to find'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'shrugs, do as you like, don't really care that much'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'aww. freakinghugeurl.com is no more :'('
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'well, then i guess if you have opinions on budget ill remember that..'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'rofl, I never saw that site'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'cutting expenses is easy enough'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'stop the wars'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'divide all pentagon discretionary spending by 10'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'stop subsidizing corporations with over 1bn in sales'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'heresy'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods at Dispel Majic.
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Aterius nod tinada
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'doesnt understand chan emote syntax'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'directions are in help channels'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also, you can cancel all funding for DHS..'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'can we get rid of the tub stackers association yet too?'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'their main function seems to be to annoy travellers anyway..'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'TSA can go down the DHS drain, I'm sure'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'hey! fondling little children stop terrorists.'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I thought they were effectively some sort of subsidiary anyway?'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'everyone knows that terrorists are usually small children, elderly or disabled people, but primarily pretty young women?'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'with big boobies'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'isn't that the definition of "pretty" in the US?'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'it is not feeling someone up, no. it is a freedom pat (TM)'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, it's not the only definition'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you have to be skinny and still have boobies, and perfect skin'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'hmm..sounds too complicated'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'it always is'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'dont forget legs and booty'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I am not flying anymore except internationally, by the time I get to the airport, go through the bullshit, and change planes to get to where I'm going I might as well have driven.'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'what if the tsa guy is handsome and brought flowers?'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'fuck the flowers, I want a steak'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'they dont change their gloves after feeling people up. it is called spreading herpes'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I see a serious lack of military cuts in that proposal'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'ohm, herpes doesn't work like that'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'i know. but you get my point'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but hey, i live in europe :>'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'crabs!'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'maybe the clap or the drip.'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) V4 or Bust Xyzzy: 'those aren't rare...'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i haven't been searched or violated even when i've been flying with a bunch of drugs'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'come to the USA'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'and people said i was stupid to say the TSA was out of whack and needs to be removed.. glad to see peeps are waking up now.'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'just b/c you like it, doesnt mean youre not being violated dagnir'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no, thanks'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'you sure? you can get all sorts of violated while trafficking drugs'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'never been trafficking drugs'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I don't think anyone ever liked them, maybe you missed the past conversations :P'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'in the USA, it is called crossing state lines'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'if i ever get to a point where tsa wants to feel me up, i'll do my best to pop a boner'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'dont do that'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'then you will definitely get felt up'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Be sure to moan too.  They like that.'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yeah, if i'm already on my way to getting felt up, then why not'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'at least i can make it uncomfortable for them'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'uh they seem to like feeling people up. who else would do it?'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'your mom'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'had to say that, good set-up'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'you think tsa is a pain now.. wait till they unionize and then go on strike causing "no flights" '
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'move to europe. we have the liberties americans like to talk about so much :P'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I've flown quite a few times to and from the US recently, and not only was I only offered the opportunity to refuse a full body scan on 1 in 6 flights, but the patdown wasn't even that touchyfeely.'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'and can a government agency unionize?'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'are they not already a union?'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'they get benefits like a union'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'but i dont think they can unionize....'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'yes, government agencies can unionize.. but they should not be allowed too.'
T3/r2/2011-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'well, so they can.'
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'a handjob's a mans job'
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'If the opposite of "pro" is "con," then what is the opposite of "progress"?'
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrion: 'Hippies.'
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Bless you.'
T3/r2/2011-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrion: 'Wonder if Israel could do a repeat of the Six Day War if the US took their manacles off...'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'white republicans won't let a black president get anything good done :P'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'discuss :D'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Obama is useless, end of story.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Coup de Calamar: 'nothing to discuss...it's true :P'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'they didnt let bush do anything good either'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'bush didn't want to do anything good'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Annubis: 'yeah because look what i black baboon did 2 zimbabwe and now south africa is next'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Annubis: 'i want to mose to USA'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'bush was a puppet. cheney was running the show'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'bush wanted to privative social security and kill brown people'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'bush administration*'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'and he did a pretty good job in the middle east. brown people are still dying over there'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'they got one done'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'luckily not the latter'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Annubis: 'hahaha ohm you guys are evil. But atleast i am white.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'not evil. i stated the truth. he wasnted some arabs dead and arabs died'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'McCain would've been worse than obama for sure'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Annubis: 'true. I doubt obama is worse than the retarded jacob zuma'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'i heard tea party winner sarah palin is thinking about the presidency'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'shes unelectable, if she runs obama has a second term for sure'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'err, if she gets the republican nomination I mean'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'yeah... she is a world class idiot'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Annubis: 'how so'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'good family values with a prenant teen'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Annubis: 'haha'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'the recent tucson shooting should be enough to destroy her once and for all'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'she doesn't want to be a politician anyways, she wants to be ritch'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'what happened in tucson. i have been out of the loop for a while'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'some crazy kid shot a congresswoman in the head (she lived) and killed a judge and killed a 9 yr old girl'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'at some kind of political event'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'oh i heard about that...'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'but that little crosshairs map palin had targetting people, well, this congresswoman was one of them...'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'that on top of her quitting her term as governor and the fact she is an idiot, well, unelectable'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'mccain had a chance to win the election, but even white people were like, damn....what if mccain dies.....damn'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'he played for the female vote and killed any chance he had of winning'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'yeah that was dumb on his part.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'not playing for the female vote, good move, but picking her, that was horrible'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'he picked an airhead milf. he made a fool of himself'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'yep, and palin has been nothing but good for democrats'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'what bothers me is she has million dollar book deals.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'besides for the recent elections, but in the end that'll play in the dems favor'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'eh, just be glad she'll never be a politician again'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'good point.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'biggest mistake obama has made so far (besides not going for single payer healthcare, but my point kind of includes this) is not flipping the repubs the finger and doing his thing'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'he went bipartisan and got nothing but shit on for it'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'and the whole not being too concerned about iraq and afghanistan hurt him big time'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'those places are tough, bush put us in a terrible situation there'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'he sure did. too much cowboy diplomacy and not enough real diplomacy. '
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'well, full out warfare and armies and stuff like that are antiquities, you could've gotten osama bin laden with 20 navy seals'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'yeah. they just wanted all that black gold underneath the land. not to concerned about bin laden'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'nah, because we never got it'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'not in afghanistan, no'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: '25 navy seals should've gone into afganhistan and slit saddam husseins throat'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'hussein was a cia agent that went rogue. that is how he ended up dead'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'err, iraq'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'that brings us to our current budget crisis and our huge defense budget'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'i think we spend more on defense than 75% of the world nations combined or something'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'I don't remember the exact numbers, but out defense budget is equal to something like the next 25 countries combined, and they're all allies'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'that might be it. i dont remember the exact numbers either'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'but the point is the same'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'how can you call yourself conservative and want to spend all that money?'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'conservative with your money, liberal with everyone elses.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'well, I don't know if china or saudi arabia are allies, but they aren't gonna attack their best customers :P'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'thanks kirua'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'nothing wrong with selling arms to both sides.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'well the thing is, there are more effective ways to fight these days, look how we screwed up irans nuclear development with just a computer virus'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'i was reading about that. that virus probably costs millions to test and develop'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'yeah, I'd say money well spent'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'just imagine how much it would cost to say bomb that place'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'depends on the bombs. '
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'well the airplane to take them alone would be tens of millions at a minimum'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'lots of money in war. always has been'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'plus then we'd have a war with iran for sure'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'like we need another war'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'lots of money in politics in general'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'which is a huge problem in our country'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'heh, check this: http://www.wisegeek.com/what-countries-have-the-highest-military-expenditures.htm'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'yeah. politicians become millionairs. some multi-millionaires'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'singapore takes 2nd place for that one'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'look who we're up there with, doesn't make sense'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'singapore has a tiny population'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'singapore takes 1st place for politican wages' by a long mile though'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'israel spending that kind of money makes sense, since everyone around them wants to kill them :P'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'wonder why.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'they're jewish'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'not sure the things they do endear themselves either'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'apart from their pet dog, USofA'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sneak runs away in utter terror!
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'I'd have to agree with you'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'ahh, new topic, reasons why religion is dumb *point middle east*'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dr Jek crosses his arms and nods sagely to himself.
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'duh, they're believing in a false religion duh'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'YEAH!  my religion is better, you must die!'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'no u'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'hmmm, war over it?'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armadeadn: 'Reasons why religion is good *points to people who need hope*'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'if you convert to my relgion you will realise it's the right one'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'religions that teaches hate as a family value... '
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'people dont need hope... not as much as they need money'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'lots of money in religion'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'btw i can talk to god, send me money and i'll write him a letter for you'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'sure is. the catholic church is a fine example'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'CHC ftw'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'what other beliefs do we still hold from 2000 years ago?'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'that food is yummy'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'gotta give religion props for staying power'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'any religion that can generate lots of money has lots of staying power'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: '2000 isn't very long..'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'no, it isn't'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'you can mkae up a religion and get rich. look at scientology'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'I like scientology personally'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'makes me laugh'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'i spell it $cientology'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'still doesn't compare to the catholic church'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'debate it is a fairly new religion. give it time...'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'speaking of money....I like sarah silvermans plan to end world hunger, the catholic church is to sell the vatican and use the proceeds for food :P'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'their credibility was heavily undermined'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'catholics are pretty funny too, they've just been around longer so people are more used to the crazy shit they spout'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'there best effort was dealing with witches...'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'witches are dangerous'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'i miss me some christine o'donnell'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'yes, I wanted to do her so bad'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'when a tea partier gets on TV and tells the world she is not a witch... i was just.... wow.... need me a woman like that'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'plus that would save me from masturbating'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'since she says it is a sin, she is obligated at that point to *help* out'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'that was awesome, comedy gold'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'and have you seen the shit she on bill mahers old show in the nineties?'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'did you see SNL's paraody? it was pretty good'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'she said*'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'no, I don't catch a lot of SNL'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'i was reading about it, youtube is up and down at work. she is an idiot'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'i dont either, but someone forwarded me a link.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'she was at some college debating separation of church and state. it was clear she had no idea what she was talking about.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'bill maher showed a complimation (sp?) of all the people she pissed off on his old show, was very funny'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'I saw that, was amazingly funny, and all the people laughing at her'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'ahh man he did? i need to see that'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'I mean, if you can piss off jamie kennedy, somethings wrong'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'lol'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'what is sad is that these tea party morons have a following. lots of americans believe in them'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'of course they do, lots of americans hate black people :P'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'must be it. and are anti-witch anti-abortion anti-masturbation anti- etc....'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'they're totally contradictory, less government, but keep them gays from marrying and don't let women conrol their bodies'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'keep your government hands off my medicare, etc, etc'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'and the misspellings.....'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'not that I'm a good speller, but come on, proof read your signs'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'they want less government but a return to expensive bush policy measures. contradictory to the core'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'well, some of the legimate segments dislike bush and bush policies, but....yeah'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon nods at Dr Jek.
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'I'll give credit where credit is due, they just aren't due much....'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'ron paul, how did he get elected...'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Ron Paul is awesome. His son... less so.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'they are due very little, in my opinion'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Did you hear about the straw pull?'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'wait, am I thinking of the right guy, the guy in tennessee?'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'ron paul has been called the most honest politician in congress'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Rand Paul, Jek.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'yes rand'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'straw pull?'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'haha, I think he could've stomped on that girl himself and still won XD'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Ron Paul came in second in a straw poll done in New Hampshire.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'For Republican Presidential candidates.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'second to who?'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'calling Paul honest it's like Russians saying this winter ain't that cold.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Romney.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Ron Paul, Anar, not Rand Paul.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'ugggh, I wanna see palin up there :P'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'mitt romney?'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Jek, it would serve you right if she won.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon nods at <awesome> Ohm.
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'yep, either a legitimate repub would run indie and split the vote, or obama would crush her'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'No, I mean won the race.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'PRESIDENT PALIN. Would serve you right.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'that would serve no one'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'whoa. palin = world class idiot'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armadeadn: 'and bush wasnt ?'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'bush is like einstein compared to her, and not a quitter :P'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'bush was too. lots of idiots in the political arena'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'No, Armadeadn, I think, like Eisenhower, Bush was a lot cannier than he put on.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'That being said, I'd rather have Eisenhower than Dubya.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'bush wasn't stupid, he just suggested stupid things, said stupid stuff, and was a good ol boy, that doesn't make him dumb'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'bush used to be alot smarter. too much partying and drugs screwed up his brain'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon nods at Dr Jek.
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armadeadn: 'lol'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'that being said, he didn't win the popular vote, which is pretty screwed up'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'why hasn't the electoral college been scrapped?'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'we have a republic'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'it still serves no purpose'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Jek: we'll soon have de facto popular vote, if not de jure.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'is was put in because the founding fathers thought the masses too stupid to elect a proper president'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'No, Ohm, it was put in because we couldn't count that many votes accurately.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'huh? how hard is that?'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Ask Florida.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'exactly'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'no i meant a long time ago. what was stopping them from counting votes properly'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Ohm: we can't count votes properly NOW, for a single state, with modern tech.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'the speed of communication'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'probably the biggest factor'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'The way it actually ended up going?'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'they can count votes properly now. they just dont want to'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Your presidential vote is technically a vote for an elector.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'which is stupid'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'That elector then submits his vote.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'There have been cases, in the past, of an elector voting against his state.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, the American electoral processes are stupid. And this is news?'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'In fact, I think that's how the 18th president was elected.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon pats Summoner Yuna on his head.
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'four times in the past have the electoral college voted against the people'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'four times too many, yet we still don't fix it'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon nods at Dr Jek.
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'no one wants to fix it. that is why it is still there'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'republicans would rather make you work until you're eighty, and dems, well, who knows what they want to do'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'The Dems don't know what the Dems want to do.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'yep'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Ohm: many people do want to fix it. The problem is agreeing how to fix it.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'just get rid of it'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'A number of states got fed up with inertia at the Federal level and have, as a state, voted to put their electoral votes towards the popular vote.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'electoral college goes bye bye and the popular vote is the final vote'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why do you "win" states and then go on to get all of that state's votes, anyway? Why not just count the popular vote?'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'If enough states pass these laws, congrats! We have a de facto popular vote!'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'i think most states have that kind of law already'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'As in each individual vote.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Ohm: not enough.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'obviously'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'thats what we want yuna'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'We have I think 7-8 states, at last count.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'i thought it was higher than that'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'The thing is, at the Federal level, people make lots of political bank off of the electoral system.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, I thought you just wanted to get rid of the whole "vote for a voter" aspect of it.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Ohm: they're not even high electoral value states.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'that is even worse'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'And that's why there hasn't been any proper impetus at the federal level.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Which is why I'm glad invidual states ARE doing this.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'there are larger problems than the electoral college, like the way money controls politics'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon nods at Dr Jek.
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'take guns, why aren't they better regulated?'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'And how limiting the amount of money in politics can, in fact, limit free speech that is not on a monetary basis.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And religion...'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'which means that money still rules in politics.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'why should a person be able to buy a 30 round clip for a gun?'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'may find that 30 round clip necessary'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because it's in the Constitution.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'what purpose beside attacking people does a 30 round clip serve?'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Counterattacking.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'change the constitution'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Hah, good luck.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'I know'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The gun lobby literally owns many lawmakers.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'no. when guns are outlawed only criminals and cops will have guns. not so good for the rest of us'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'my point exactly'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'You'll never get a 2/3rds vote on that, even if it passes congress/senate.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'I didn't say outlaw guns'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'well, if 30 people team up to rob your house, a 30 round clip may come in handy'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'hah, yeah'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'as long as you're a perfect shot under pressure and never miss'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Suppressing fire.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'i used to live in texas. slept with a gun under my pillow. i dont miss'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'take canada for example they have more guns than us but less gun crime, why?'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'better education'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'yes'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Less urban areas, more rural, Jek.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Watch that Michael Moore movie.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'if you educate people and give them jobs, they are less likely to turn to crime'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'that helps as well morinon, but what is there less of in urban areas?'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon nods at <awesome> Ohm.
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'that is why it is not done in america'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Jek, I think you'll also find that more gun crime in the US can be traced to illegal possession of firearms.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Which exists, despite the 2nd amendment.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'you're probably right'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'its too easy to get a gun'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'in high crime cities kids can get guns and drugs easier than alcohol and cigarettes'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'So, did you hear about the suicide bombing in a Moscow airport?'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'no, I haven't'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'We all know that the Israelis and the Palestinians are at war with each other, and have been for a long time. Question: Why are the violent acts of the Palestinians against the Israelis labeled "terrorism," but the violent acts of the Israelis against the Palestinians are not?'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'we like the israelies'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shiara: 'because Hitler, that's why.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'that too'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lamya never knew that Hitler was a Palistenian.
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'you learn something new everydy'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'everday*'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gethsemane: 'lol'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shiara: 'I know, right? I'm so enlightening.'
T3/r2/2011-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'I wouldn't go that far....'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Obama calls for "clean coal" energy, what am I missing?'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'dunno, are you a democrat?'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm a Norwegian..'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly.
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'Commie pinko socialist'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'if you capture the co2 it is clean...in theory...in reality we need a sustaind fusion power reaction'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ogremeister: 'agree'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'well, then, are you in the US?  You are irrelevent until your feet are touching continental American soil.'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hawaiians don't count?'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ogremeister: 'lol'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I am not familiar with any terribly clean coal energy. The cleanish fission reactor tech is based on thorium, and the US still requires uranium based plants, afaik'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'not really, just about everything they have comes from the mainland anyways.'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ogremeister: 'they're votes count'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ogremeister: 'er... their* lol'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I am trying to understand, not decide what happens in US politics, so who I am doesn't matter much, I think'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'Isn't there a daily show clip with presidents all the way back to Nixon promising an American effort to get on clean renewable sources, and away from foreign oil? (Meanwhile, the absolute amount and percentage of imported oil has been rising in the USA for like 30 years)'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ogremeister: 'so who thinks nothing will happen until the rest of the worlds fossil fuels are depleted so we can cash in on the new energy source?'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'coal is not a new energy source.'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ogremeister: '"we" meaning the people that currently cash in on fosil fuels'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ogremeister: 'im not referring to coal, slight tangent'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'nuclear power is also not a new source.'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ogremeister: 'im referring to the differance between renewable and expendable'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'renewable is also not a new source. ;)'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'I think that it matters little what anyone else but China does. And China is building 1 coal plant every .... 2 weeks? 3 weeks? Basicly, I don't see global warming getting stopped.'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ogremeister: 'im aware of that, but funds going into RnD to mass produce energy from renewable sources'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'Kyoto guaranteed that.'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ogremeister: 'i mean i think its less about global warming and clean energy and more about what we can sustain, AND would be clean'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ogremeister: 'if your going to put effort into anything why the hell would you half ass it'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ogremeister: 'right from the start'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'why tackle climate change, when your opponents will give you a pass by giving that money to a poorer nation?'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'letting, say, some more banks fail and putting the extra money into energy research seems reasonable'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ogremeister: 'and when i have discussions thats always the conclusion, because politics are not ideal. screw it.'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'you get all the benefits of the old, proven tech, and none of the pitfalls of it that spurred the whacko environmentalist crap.'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ogremeister: 'theres money going EVERYWHERE, put it somewhere where it will actually change something if your spending it'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'you can upgrade basic infrastructure without spending the money, that would also create more jobs outside gov't'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'people on welfare work 40 hours of community service a month'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'well, you would be trading cash for (rail)roads and such, but the value wouldn't disappear'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ogremeister: 'thats bullshit about the community service'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'things won't change until the system changes, money controls politics right now and those with the money will control what happens until the systems is fixed, which it won't be since the people with money won't allow it'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ogremeister: 'agreed jek'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'welfare rules are decided by individual states, mostly?'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'viva !revolucion!'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ogremeister: 'LOL'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'there might be eventually, luckily in america though most folks are lazy, so its unlikely.  Revolution is hard work'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'Yeah that Supreme Court ruling about corperations being able to donate anonymously as a constitutional right will fuck up US politics (moreso then now) for a few decades'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ogremeister: 'lol, i guess that on top of the fact that it would be violent as hell and ruin everything, solving no problems'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ogremeister: 'if anything is going to change it for the better as far as politics is concerned it will be individual education of the masses and participation and use of voice'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ogremeister: 'the only reason it works as it does now is because it is allowed to, and it is continueing to head down a slippery slope'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'debate which is why we need to get the republicans out.  Both sides are corrupt, but atleast the dems are actively trying to destroy the middle class, education, etc.'
T3/r2/2011-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'dems aren't*'
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'pi = 3.125'
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'proof:   http://www.correctpi.com/'
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'pi is 3.14...'
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'anyone here playing from egypt? oh wait, not possible! :-/'
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cranar: 'Packers or Steelers?'
T3/r2/2011-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cranar: 'Steelers.  Debate over.'
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'why do you figure africa's reporting of being in a ossible state of panic, losing a piece of itself is natural as all people seem to eventually die, but ideologies are what they respected about him, right?'
T3/r2/2011-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't see how an ideology would die, they're rather more immortal than people seem to be, lenin believed that his ideology would survive long after him, even if it was squashed in his own nation, because he figured it logical and towards equality and progress - i believe the same is true there, but it's a matter of what the current leader's ideologies are'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Ohai.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Gaia was mated to Ouranos, and while she was mother to the Titans, she was considered a Titan.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Yo.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'Whoyo'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'As far as I can tell Morinon, gaia and Theol are the oldest references too god like being in greek history / mythology'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Odin did kind of build the world out of Ymir's body. Along with Vili and Vei.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Venomangel is prepared to forkgive and forkget.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Theol?'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'Ymir was ripped apart by Ginnungagap, wasn't he?'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Killed at, by Odin/Vili/Ve'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'hmmm might have that name wrong, but i'm sure it was gaia the earthmother and ..... the father of sky'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Ouranos, Launch.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'Killed by, then carried to the center of chaos.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon nods at Wishmaster Jubileus.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'ahhh yes , sorry havn't had to think this deep about stuff in a long time ^^'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'They made the earth from his bones, the sea from his blood, the sky from his skull, the clouds from his brains.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'The chaos tearing his body apart, drowning all his children and creating the seas :)'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Oh, no, Jub. His kids were the Jotun, and Audhumla.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Basically, his body parts sexed each other and made stuff.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'The version I know is that his blood became the seas, his flesh the land, skull the heavens and eyebrows became midgaard'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Hmm. I mainly go by Snorri's rendition.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'I always thought he was the father of the frost giants'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'via his armpit, yes'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'mwah the only cool thing about norse mytholgy is Loki '
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Well, really, all the Jotun.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'his stories rock '
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Odin's pretty badass himself.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'I always liked Loki'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'And not because he's bi'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'ye but god of mischief must be the most awesome job in history'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Look up all the times Odin insults the crap out of Thor whle in disguise.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: '... you do know what happens to Loki, right?'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'I know what happened >< '
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'He dies in Ragnarok'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Launch: Hermes once bored a god to death. On purpose.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'Or died...'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'but lets not forge he actually helped thor on many occasions '
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'But before that the poor sonofabitch was held in captivity'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'so loki rocks '
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Giving us our Earthquakes.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Yeah, I've always preferred to view Loki as kind of put upon by the asshat Aesir.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'lol how does one bore a god to death (never heard of that story)'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Hermes did it to either Janus, or one of the Hekatonkhire.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I forget which.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'ye but how ?'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'Norse Mythology is the strangest I've seen, though. Not much "Divine" things happen there like in Greek Mythology, but the gods were badass regardless.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Basically, Hera had locked up one of Zeus' many affairs.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'And the girl was pregnant.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'Which is why I joined Vanir :)'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'So Zeus sent Hermes to free the girl.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'Well theirs fare more hardness where it orgininated from, thus those story reflect upon the hardness suffered in the land'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'all religion / mythology / believe is shaped by region it orgininates from'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Hera had set a guardian with a hundred eyes at her door, only 50 would sleep at once.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'So, Hermes took a magic wand with him. And he told a very boring story. Each time one of the guardian's eyes closed, he touched it with the wand, and it stayed closed.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'I love how hera banged zeus, then zeus dumped her, and she got all mad'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'In the end, the guy had all hundred eyes closed, and Hermes rescued the girl.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'or was it cheat on her with countless of mortal women'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'No, Launch, they were still married. She was kind of frigid towards him, and he had a wandering eye.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'O ye hera was queen of the gods'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'anyho I can still remember the countless stories of zeus pretending to be a mortal to bang another farmer girl again'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendfire: 'heras a bitch, i like poseidon'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'But if you look at earlier Greek myth (as in, earlier recorded, not going back to Titans and Gaia/Ouranos), There were multiple Zeuses.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'There was, for instance, a Zeus Lycaon, who was a sort of wolf god.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendfire: 'multiple in what way?'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Basically, Zeus just meant 'god'.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendfire: 'ah'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Same IE root as deva, deus, danu, etc.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Theos is itself a later permutation of the root.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'This whole thing came out of the root of the word 'diva'.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Which basically meant 'goddess of the stage'.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Well, means such in modern use.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: '(Modern being post 16th century)'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'I think it's absolutely horrible that the government does not provide our troops with Healing Potion.  '
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'but do you pay taxes to that government'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Indeed; spending on white magic is non-existant!  How can they justify this?'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'http://news.cnet.com/2100-1001-859877.html  (I wondered if the reason this kind of armor wasn't being used was the pricetag the israeli company in new york put on its product, but it may be that MIT is inventing its own and skipping the cost)'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'things like that would give infantry alot more protection'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'I read that in the trial's of the israeli nano-tech body armor, it was about 1/10th the thickness and weight of kevlar, but withstood over 22 times the impact'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'It sounds like a real-world Breastplate of Magic Resistance.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): .Faust Necroshine agrees!
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but it could be used both ways, to protect a good man, or a legion of killers'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so lets hope it's the former'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'That can be said about any weapon.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Or, for that matter, any defense.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'israeli products are exhorbitantly priced -- the world is far better off when the israelis are not involved in hi-tech'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Any Christians on who want to debate YEC vs theistic evolution?'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'and lulz were had by all'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I'm not one, but I'm willing to pretend for your amusement.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'yeah but I'm willing to bet you'd still beo n the theistic evolution side'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'What is "YEC"?'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't belong to any christian denomination and don't understand wtf your debate is about, but sounds like variations in interpretations, strict adherance to them, and evolution from that adherence among the strict interpretations origins'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'young earth creationism?'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Young Earth Creationism'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'here, I'll start. the eart is only a few thousand years old.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'now you go'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Explain then how, with the knowledge of the speed of light in a vacuum being a constant, we are seeing objects up to 13.2 billion LY away?'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'God did it'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'god does that to test your faith'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the verse in the bible where 'in the day wherein ye eateth thereof, ye shall surely die', coupled with 'one day to god is as 1000 years to man' , might able to theoretically put some elements of truth to speculation'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'How do you know how far away these objects are?  Did you measure them?'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Yeah but even the order of the days of creation can't fit'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'because he creates plant life before he creates the stars'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lots of things haven't been observed by humans in science, within the 120 - 150 years they've studied it in depth'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'Yes. I own a transgalactic ruler.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and alot of unprovable theories have been tossed aside in favour of unintelligent design'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'convincing arguements with those theorie'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or considerable'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'I'm a theistic evolutionist so of course I believe in intelligent design. I just don't believe in deceitful design'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'then you're not a true christian'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'I don't think God would have created us out of the dust on the sixth day, then made our 2nd chromosome look identical to a merged 2nd and 13th chimpanzee chromosome'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah, i always question whatever somebody says regarding anything, whether it makes sense or not, especially with arcane things such as religion'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'if we didn't evolve from the same ancestors'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and science can be arcane too, as well as a large field of ignorance'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lamya is searching her bible to try and find the passage where Jesus talks about intelligent design.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'an alternative to theistic evolution is new-age-ic evolution '
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Considering that most Jews I've spoken to (from Orthodox to guys who make Reform look conservative) agree that Genesis 1 is poetry, not an exact account... I'm going to go with them.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'intelligent design by nontheistic paranormal phenomena'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'What, Faeries, Xyliz?'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'can you accurately determine which design elements an almighty being would and wouldn't reuse? :)'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i read in a introduction to university biology, that even darwin believed in god'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Judaism:  It it's good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for me.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '(implying intelligent creator)'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'aliens, I think'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon nods at Lamya.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Paranormal, Majic.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'It is silly to assign some pre-ordained goal to evolution, and even sillier to maintain that the human race is that goal.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Darwin believed in God but he started to doubt later in life'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'How can you tell that humans were defined by a civil engineer? ... What other person would run a toxic waste line through a recreation area?'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon grins evilly at Dispel Majic.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'And if Darwin believed in Good, then we should all believe in God.  It is the duty of every Christian to believe everything Darwin believed.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'lmao'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Lamya, wtf are you on about?'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i just pointed out that even Hume wasn't an  atheist'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'while what they teach is the main arguements of many'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'intelligent design is guided by quantum computers contributed to by participating life-forms and perhaps includes meddling by other quantum computers'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'hume was one of the main contributers to modern psychology'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Haha no.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: '1: misunderstanding of quantum computers.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: '2: any biological computers are analog.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the new-age perspective is a money-making attempt by greedy shysters and auhors seeking to defraud the gullible of their excess coin'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'one thing that I love about how retardedly fanatical Dawkins is in his devotion to atheism, one of the biggest issues is the odds of abiogenesis. Dawkins suggested it's entirely possible that life on this planet was seeded by ancient astronauts... but that doesn't solve abiogenesis, because those astronauts themselves had to come from somewhere'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'leaving money in the pockets of gullible people is highly immoral'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yes, religion is abused alot, people's unknown forever, existance itself in the balance, and lookin for the answer, who to please'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but keep in mind, that a perfect mind, assuming god, would consider all of these acts and their results'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i recommend reading the first chapter of the book, the apocrypha of bel and the dragon'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'see how the king of babylon was deceived by his priests'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Because apocryphal stories are 100% true u guiz.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they are apparently old, and only edited out of modern day bibles'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'otherwise they'd be included'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the theistic perspective is a cash-cow run by greedy fraudulent religions seeking to extract tenure and riches from the deluded followers of various religions'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'And that's why you're a Scientologist, right? At least they're obvious.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'I'm not giving money to anyone, Xyliz. I believe because I want to believe :P'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the apocrypha of Harry Potter and the theory of Intelligent Design of Magicks'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and no text , after the time it was written and confirmed to be real by the eople of that time, can be given 100% credit of being authentic as they perceived it, i think'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'You mean MoR, Xyl?'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'partly true here, partly there, questionable in alot of places'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'all of the translations of egyptian hieroglyphs can be questioned originally, as the transcribers guessed what they meant from observation'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's more confusion'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Anything not on the Rosetta stone is questionable, yes.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'El Ron Hubbard decided to combine science-fiction fake-spiritualism and the desire of somwe humans to be deluded -- Scientology resulted'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'what if it turned out the rosetta stone was the world's oldest trolling attempt, and was in fact complete hogwash?'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i read the first couple chapters on a scientology book, and recognized concepts i seen in other places'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '(preceding his book)'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lots of people call him a fraud, that's up to their own judgements though'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'no, I think there's some fact thrown in there as well'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'to the claim that he's a fraud, not to scientology'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'one verse in the bible, that i recall non-verbatim, is the temple of the lord is your body, not a structure built by men'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'that's about right'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the coherence of translations extracted from non-Rosetta-stone texts, using the Rosetta-stone tranlations, further validate the Rosetta stone'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and that seems to be a nice belief, and the earth is a host of where we live, we are hosts of his spirit, according to many religions, worded differently'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the various bibles prefer to copy plagiarise and include the wisdom of others'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'many scientology courses (on business) are mediocre copies of informations found in university textbooks - plagiarism if scientology claimed they were the original auhors but they don't, they merely extract cash from those doing those scientology business courses'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'fraudulaent religions copy the wisdom of men and then state that the wisdom was from their god'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'religions are a fraudulent money-earning schemes started and continued by the greedy'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'all you fraudulent religious types are to be euthanised (perhaps cast into the lake of fire and terminated) when God does get a proper act together'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'What's your point?'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon peers intently at Xyliz.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Wouldn't it suck to end up in the afterlife discovering that your religion was the wrong one all this time.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Xyliz, I am sorry that your priest did bad things to you when you were a choirboy.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'I mean, suppose (hypothetically) in the afterlife you found out that Scientology was right after all.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz sharpens the points of a sharp pitchfork and grins evilly at Mushambo
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'However, that is no reason to blame all religious people for the failings of a small handful of their number'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'that scientolgy tale of Xenu violates several laws of physics'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'which ones, Xyliz?'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I haven't read the whole tale, and I am a physicist, so I am curious.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'your mom violates several laws of physics. she's so fat, and yet I don't feel at all gravitated toward her!'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'no attraction whatsoever! IT'S SO STRANGE'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Morinon, sad that you speak from your experience with priests in your world view, and attempt to falsely project your derangements on others  (belated repartee)'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon pats Xyliz on her head.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I don't attempt to project my derangements on anyone. But you do.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz never was a choirboy, so Morinon was obviously falsely projecting (perhaps personal) deranged choirboy experiences
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'or making a sarcastic remark, for which you seem to lack the receptors'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Xyliz, I was making a dumb joke at your expense.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon nods at Dispel Majic.
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'how old are you anyway? you read like a 14 year old who ate a thesauraus'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Honestly, anyone who goes on and on about how others are projecting... Is projecting their habit of projecting.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'it should be a law that within 4 years of him/her getting elected, citizens of the US should make pilgrimage to the President's hometown.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Why?'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'to help stimulate the economy'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'You should elect Palin then. Just to see 75 million people annually going to Alaska'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Haha, no.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'That's idiotic.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'and, because I got caught up in Obamamania.  Even had a shiver run up my leg.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Getting 300 million tourists over four years?'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I mean, honestly, that's the stupidest thing said in the whole of debate -h.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'that's kinda the point of debate, to get people riled up and talking.  It's more like gossip than gossip is.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'do you think it was serious? it didn't look so to me :P'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Sadly, Majic, it had no actual humor value.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I think it was more the sheer ridiculousness.'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tutal slaps on a Joker face and goes 'y so srs?'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon slaps on a trollface.jpg
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'serious troll is srs!'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Tutal wants everybody in the USA to be forced to visit Kenya - that is crass'
T3/r2/2011-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'no, Hawaii'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'is it ethical to sit around here playing games when their people in the world that can't even eat ? your input please ! ^^'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'Of course it is'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'We have the opportunity, so why waste it?'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Your going without internet won't put food on their plates.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaxz: 'Unless you suggest that the only other possible course of action while they can't eat is to go help them, then yes.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'so you don't feel guilty about he milions that go up in the gaming indistury which could easly feed the world and being part of that chain ?'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Torio: 'its the cycle of life'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Is it ethical to assume that all amusements should be postponed until an unobtainable goal is achieved?'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Launch, you're assuming that the gaming industry is a drain on the economy, as opposed to a boost to it.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sounds rather puritan to me :P'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'So it's absolutly nessecary to life to have agames then Morinon ? :) '
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'there are many out there who wouldn't be eating if people didn't play games.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'Removing gaming industries from the world won't make /me/ personally, a better person :)'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon THWAPS A Nuclear Launch for being a moron.
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Are you saying that anything that isn't absolutely necessary for life should be eliminated? :P'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Launch: In that case, let's get rid of medicine.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'It's not absolutely necessary for life.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'ohh I was just wondering about peoples opinions on the subject, I do think their should be some form of pleasure for everyone, but it's a abit extreem in the difference when you look at certain lifestyles and compare them'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'Us playing games puts food on other people's plates too, Launch.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'Touche Jubileus, touche '
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Launch, assuming you should live an ascetic lifestyle until everyone else's lifestyle matches yours does not work in a scarcity economy.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'Your lifestyle is based on the opportunities you act upon. In the case of someone playing video games, they acted upon those.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'And we're a ways away from a post-scarcity economy.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'Okay let me rephrase it abit, if we gave up some luxeries or atleast less indulgde ourselves in it and we use that money to help less fortunate, would you think it would make a difference ?'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'No.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'That's pissing down a bottomless well.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: '"Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and you feed him for a lifetime."'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon nods at Wishmaster Jubileus.
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: '-Unknownphilosopher'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'And we do give out enough aid to keep everyone fed.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Usually, what stops us from feeding people are the rulers of the land.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'well you don't have to give the money to those person, but you could establish farms and teach them how to farm so in the future they can be self dependent '
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'People do not need aid. They need self-sufficiency.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'Some do need aid, but very few of the unemployed masses.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and then some warlord could come in and take all the produce of the land and sell it for guns'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Who have realized that food is a good way to control the populace.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon nods at Dispel Majic.
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'although we tried that and theirs always some fuck face in countries that need help that use the food shortages too control the people so they kick the people trying to teach people to farm out'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'As has happened before, is happening now, and will happen again.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'In short, until you can fix human nature, we will always have the poor.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'But in another shorter topic: You cannot fix human nature.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon nods at Wishmaster Jubileus.
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'Well their are people that are willing to sacrfice alot of themselves for others Morinon, so their is still hope, atleast thats what I like to believe.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'You can learn to accept it, though.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Launch: that's a part of human nature to.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'The real bit about human nature is that you find extreme altruism and extreme sadism, sometimes even in the same person.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'Ohhh you mean the loving someone very much but still laughing your ass off when they slip scenario ? '
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'Can't say I can beat that paticilaur habbit myself :/ '
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Fluffy) NeoFluffy: 'he means selfish and selflessness in the same being'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Yes, but on a much larger scale.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Take Carnegie.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'One of the worst of the robber barons.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'You can destroy the evil in human nature, but you will never root it out.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Who also did more than the government has to promote literacy in America.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Sounds like blackberry bushes, Jub.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'Look at it this way: You can eliminate all the weeds in your garden, but eventually it will start sprouting again. :)'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'Evil is a matter of opinion and prespective '
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'arguable'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Launch: a man hurting another man for no profit but his own: this is evil.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'Meaning that selfishness is a human aspect, and will never be completely erased.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'There's also this point that the more you help people, the more dependent they grow. Receiving help is easier than working.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'It's selfish, I'll agree and I think anyone would, but that man won't think of it as evil'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Oh, he might not. Very few people consider themselves evil.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'Cizra: That's what I was referring to in my fish quote.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'See John Chrysostom, for example. He was very generous and actually increased the amout of beggars around his church by giving alms.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Light a man a fire, and he's warm for a day. Light a man on fire, and he's warm for the rest of his life.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'My basic point being that neither can be completely eliminated from existance.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'infact their might be other who would dismiss the act (look at the american justice system)'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'but ye, you can't take selfless tendancies from humans, only supress them'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'But really, I think the real evil comes in treating other people as if they were things.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'This is an idea I picked up from Pratchett, and I whole-heartedly agree.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'Evil is basically selfishness'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'If I would to treat people like things, but still offer them propserity, do you think they would consider me evil ?'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'I think the real evil comes from indifference, which in turn comes from people who haven't seen suffering.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'Gain for yourself by disadvantaging anyone else'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Nah, some selfishness is not necessarily evil.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaxz: 'Survival.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'I can argue with that, Morinon. I treat my phone like a thing, but still keep it safe so it doesn't break. That's not evil :)'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'I think evil comes from unwillingness to face conquences for action you know where wrong. Then one truely must be evil. But thats my opinion'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'evil is based on perspective. I think yngwie malmsteen is evil because he scalloped a pre-cbs strat, the rest of you guys don't know what the fuck I'm talking about'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'That sounds like cowardice, not evil, Launch'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Jubileus, your cell phone is not a person.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Launch: If you are forcing them to do things 'for their own good', that is not actually helping them. If you're doing it because you're certain they're not smart enough or wise enough to make decisions on their own, that is wrong.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'And that's treating them as less than people.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'As said, you may treat someone as a thing but still offer them prosperity. Not evil.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Jubileus: Are the Borg evil?'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'isn't that what perants do all your life ? '
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wishmaster Jubileus: 'If that was a star trek question I don't know'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Yes, until such time as you can take care of yourself.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'they can try when you're adult, but they have no legal backing to do so'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'While you are not yet genuinely capable of helping yourself.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Once you are able to work things out on your own, it is wrong for others to treat you as if you can't.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aztar: 'when you are a child you act like a child... when you are grown up, then grow the fuck up... paraphrase, I think from somewhere in the bible...'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon nods at Aztar.
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'although I see your point, and it's a valid one, I can name a few situations though where one would consider acting and treating someone like they can't the proper thing to do'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'however their exceptions to the rule including starting wars :p '
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Launch: if it's a case where they genuinely can't, due to illness or injury...'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'There are occasions where wars are necessary, yes. Largely due to someone else being more of a bastard than you.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'all this reminds me of a qoute "the road to hell is paved with good intentions"'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon nods at A Nuclear Launch.
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Anyhoo, sleepy tiemz.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'goodnigh :) '
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'goodnight*'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'actual warfare is an antique, it doesn't need to happen anymore'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'just like we don't line up in fields and charge each other with swords'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: '"A king fighting his own battles, wouldn't that be a sight" is all I can say about a war --' it's ussualy 2 people thats are at odds and thousands have to die because of their bickering.'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'we also stopped lining up and shooting each other and started hiding behind crap'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'now we have the technology and the techniques to destroy countries without bombing them or actually fighting them'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'ohhh riflemen where already in services in the 17th, but we still kept line infantry because we liked bloody battles --''
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'GWB sent an army into afganistan so the world would know he has a huge cock and will mushroom stamp whomever he wishes'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'even when we abonden shooting each other by standing in lines we decided to dig wholes and put machine guns in them and have people run into them'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'yes, and then tanks, and airplanes, and finally the most destructive weapon so far, the hydrogen bomb'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'What I find most annoying is america calling it's allies to clear up THEIR mess. Taliban, armed by america, Saddam, put into office by america.... '
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'hydrobomb is a saint compared to a ww2 nuke'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'at least funding to osama was stopped 2 years before the misplaced planes?'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'atleast it's clean and doesn't give radiant for centuries '
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'Japan still is feeling the after effects on the nukes dropped on them in ww2'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'bin laden could've been handled by 20 navy seals, none of us even needed to know about it, just bring his head back'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'I doesn't matter if you get Bin Laden'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'it's a terrirost orginsation, all you can do is dim it in, never destroy it'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'their will always be a cell popping up somewhere in the world'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'yes, which is why you don't fight them with an army, it doesn't serve a purpose'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'you can't fight a state of mind with a army. '
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'indeed, it only gives them more ammo and motivation to go on'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'http://www.hinduism.co.za/islam.htm  ->  hindu bigotry/defamation and inflammation of negative beliefs, or well researched and opinionated documentation ?'
T3/r2/2011-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'Hadith Tabari VIII:96  yikes hey, talk about fighting for the holiest of holies'
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'whoa, looks like it's revolution in egypt'
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zador: 'Yep. Two camps fighting each other'
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zador: 'Pro-president and anti-president.'
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zador: 'the Pro-president camp seems to win... they entered with horses and camels there, crushing everyone and killing anti-president camp'
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the teamsters are clamoring for revolution, too, it seems'
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'rofl'
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'did you see what happened to 6 of those riders'
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zador: 'what?'
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'also reports are coming in that the army seems to be siding with the protestors (watching live feed)'
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zador: 'havent seen news in the last 30 mins, so what happened?'
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zador: 'Oh, and the army throws Cry Bombs'
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Army sympathy already seemed to be on their side.'
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'a apc seems to have opened fire over a pro-gourverment protest group to scare them off'
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'a couple of hours ago, I heard that the protestors were going home because they were scared of a few molotovs.'
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zador: 'Eh... army doesnt stop anothing there. Cry bombs wont do anithing'
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: '2 mins ago they said the pro-gouv are just left with 200 protestors while the anti-gouv are gaining numbers'
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zador: 'It's quite funny to talk about civilian wars'
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's quite funny to talk about any war that the US is interested in.'
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zador: 'The US said that they wont help the egypt anymore..'
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'Well I salute their bravery'
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we freak out and burn effigies of the President when US casualties hit triple digits.'
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zador: 'Let's hope there will be no atomic bomb'
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Incidentally, Launch, do you know how much radiation there is now in Nagasaki and Hiroshima?'
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if some crazed psycho-kid went and leveled something like Lindbergh High here, I expect the US to implode into anarchy.'
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'well enough that babies born today are still effected'
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'I don't know the exact numbers'
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Not really, Launch.'
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Both are thriving cities, with no statistically significant deviation on childbirth.'
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'it's not that theirs less child birth, but a higher chance on abnormalities.'
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Yeah, and nothing statistically significant there either.'
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, the bombs there were detonated in the air'
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'If you want a place where people can still be shown to be suffering from radiation, there's Chernobyl, but even that has lower incidence than most models would have suggested.'
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Delravian: 'cherople is still nasty tho'
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'Now I did watch that docu like well over 7 years ago, but i'm quite sure it said their was and still was a higher chance on abornmalities on childs convienced and born their.'
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Delravian: 'chernobyl*'
T3/r2/2011-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'hmm didn't 1 bomb detonate on the ground, the first one ?'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nissassa Ssadab: 'am i a bad friend? my best friend is going to jail for a year tommorrow and instead of spending the night with him I'm sitting in my room drunk playing aardwolf.'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mulan: 'anyone here'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'no'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mulan: 'hey'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Anyone was last on : Mon Apr  5 18:45:25 2010'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Delravian: 'aha whats the topic'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mulan: 'dont know'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Delravian: 'well gratz on the marriage mulan'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mulan: 'anyone got a topic'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Delravian: 'i have one'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mulan: 'thanx'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Delravian: 'marriage on aardwolf.. Why ppl chose their spouses'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Delravian: 'whyd u chose your spouse mulan?'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Delravian: 'come on id love to see the reasons'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mulan: 'what'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mulan: 'is the topic'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Delravian: 'type debate -h 8 mulan ive already said it'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Delravian: 'anyone at all? Discussing the reasons you married your aardspouse'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mulan: 'he lix me it was love at first lix'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Delravian: 'thats very sweet mulan.. So you chose aardlove as your reason'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mulan: 'which is better star wars or star trek'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Depends'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yet again, Dashiell: 'Neither. They're both awesome.'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mulan: 'depends on what'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'What kind of story you're looking for.'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Delravian: 'starling is right there'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, I'm over here.'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'stars wars of course....star trek is barely watchable...the celestial love boat i used to call it...if anyone remembers that pathetic serial 'the love boat''
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I like both Star Wars and Star Trek.'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I tend to identify with Star Trek more, though.'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mulan: 'lets debate who thinks starwars is better'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Neither one is 'better''
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mulan: 'and who thinks star trek'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Delravian: 'both are equally good in their own ways'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mulan: 'where not diplomats we are debater '
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'starwars is better because of light sabers'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Delravian: 'i enjoyed the nomadic nature of star trek.'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mulan: 'i like star wars and if you have ever play kotor u will know why'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Delravian: 'star wars has yoda tho and that is awesome'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'But Star Trek has Klingons and Romulans.'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And the Borg.  And Ferengi.'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mulan: 'star wars has wookies and twileks rodians and gungans'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Delravian: 'very true starling and they are awesome.. But that LGM called yoda is  just so cool'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Gungans?  You might have managed to convince me, but then you mentioned Gungans.  Sorry, Gungans ruined episodes 1, 2, and 3.'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'there's clingons on the starboard bow, starboard bow, starbored bow....'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Jar Jar Binks fucking sucked, and I am simply unable to fathom why George Lucas thought it was a good idea to include him.'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The proper spelling is 'Klingon''
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Delravian: 'jar jar wasnt thaaat bad.. Tho ill admit they did kinda wobble the equilibrium'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yes, he really was THAT BAD.'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mulan: 'ok forget jar jar what about grevious'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvendar: 'the only redeeming factor about the prequels was obi-wan'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm not a big fan of the extended/remastered versions of Episodes 4, 5, and 6 either.'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Delravian: 'prequel obi wan aand yoda'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mulan: 'what about grevious, jango, dooku, and palpatine'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I hate how "Dooku" is spelled.'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Delravian: 'i lean toward star trek for a few other reasons too.. For one thing star wars had a few things that always bothered me.. And star trek had the power of the guys in red suits'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'General Grievous was a poor excuse for a cyborg.'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mulan: 'he was vaders predaceser'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Learn to spell'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Delravian screams "                           ..                            "
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mulan: 'im 14'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'That's no excuse'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I won my school district's spelling bee when I was 12, you can manage.  Honestly, haven't you ever heard of a dictionary?'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mulan: 'new topic'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'what's with the requirement for correct spelling...if it's obvious what the meaning is isn't that the fundamental of communication?'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mulan: 'ive never been beaten in spelling'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Because using shitty spelling and txtspk makes one look like a retard.'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Delravian: 'you know we dont have spelling bees in south africa.. Or ive never heard of one anyway'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elvendar: 'not really... it gives the reader a sense that the person who spells badly has a lackadaisical attitude towards being understood'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'That explains why none of the mxit kiddies can spell worth shit.'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I shouldn't say none.  Most.'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mulan: 'im on a phone sorry if i offended you'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) In Cide: 'im not a mxit kiddie and i cant spell'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You're on a phone, so what?  That doesn't change the spellings of words :P'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Reaper Myrkul: 'phones have apostrophes too, you know ;)'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mulan: 'i can spell i do a test of 20 words a day'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Reaper Myrkul: 'well, add 'predecessor' to today's test'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Delravian: 'thank you starling. And ill admit I'm on a phone too and out of habbit i do sometimes resort to txtspk to hasten my messages or so forth'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mulan: 'new topic'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'But I'm having fun giving you shit about your spelling.'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Delravian laughs out loud at Starling.
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mulan: 'which is better marvel or DC comics'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Neither is 'better', just depends on what you like :P'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Delravian: 'i say marvel but ive read some good stuff from dc too'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mulan: 'we are talking about what you like personaly'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Delravian: 'well then a better idea would be to ask which do you prefer not which is better'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mulan: 'which do you prefer marvel or dc and why'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Delravian: 'what are your opinions on dragging?'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Deatheffect: 'what's The sub?'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mulan: 'marvel v dc'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Deatheffect: 'i prefere marvel'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mulan: 'why'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'gotta pass in this one...haven't read a comic for decades'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Deatheffect: 'it's The best!'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mulan: 'what about the movies'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Delravian: 'marvel deffinately'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Deatheffect: 'also coz most of my fave characters are in marvel'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'oops *got to sorry spelling police :)'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Deatheffect: 'like VENOM'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Delravian: 'same here deatheffect'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mulan: 'marvel is my favorite dc has kiddie characters'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Delravian: 'i like carnage. And ghost rider'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mulan: 'wheres starling i want to fight more'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Delravian: 'my favorite is X-force'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we don't fight here...we debate :-)'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Deatheffect: 'i made up my own character based on VENOM. I call it PLAIG! I KNOW ITS NOT THE RIGHT SPELLING! IT'S NOT PURPOSED TO BE SPELLED RIGHT.'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mulan: 'ironman'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I made a character based on your mom.'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Ugly Gelatinous Blob.'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mulan: 'what'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Delravian: 'iron man is cool but X-force has that black ops edge i love'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Deatheffect: 'not cool star. . . .'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mulan: 'who'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Riddim: 'My favorite superhero is Alan Moore and Neil Gaimen's treatment of marvelman/miracleman'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Deatheffect: 'you can get kicked off of debate for that star.'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mulan: 'they are bringing out a captain america, and avengers movie '
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Delravian: 'never liked the avengers and captain america irritated me'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Deatheffect: 'i really wane see those!!!!!!!!'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mulan: 'captain america died'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Delravian: 'and i hope they buried him in his suit'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zador: 'Heh... captain america really brings back sweeeet memories...'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mulan '(
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Deatheffect: 'Eish! How old are you!?'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mulan: 'he was killed by deadpool'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zador: 'Heh, I think you have seen my profile, no? I dont know why it says im 13 lol'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Delravian: 'mulan you cant use smileys on the start of a line unless you use two :'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Deatheffect: 'Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay! The merc with The mouth.'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Deatheffect: 'deadpool is another one of my faves!'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mulan: 'i love deadpool in x-man origins wolverine:}'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'it's hard to imagine how many uneccessary keystrokes must be made in the interest of correct spelling...humans have no problems understanding the communications of an incorrect speller...its only machines that get confused'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Deatheffect: 'that creeps Me out mulan. Since i KNOW you.'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mulan: 'who watched that movie'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Delravian: 'played by ryan renolds. One of my favorite actors'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Some humans don't enjoy trying to decipher your garbled retard-speak.'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mulan: 'who saw the secret ending'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Deatheffect: 'i like anything creepy or dark.:~'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Deatheffect: 'anyone else share my fetish?'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Not into dead people, sorry.'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mulan: 'who saw the secret ending'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Delravian: 'thats why i loved X-force.. A much darker and harsher version of xmen'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: ''it's'....sorry if i confused you Starling'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Deatheffect: 'cool. How about creepy stuff?'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Delravian: 'i dont think i did mulan. And xforce has creepy down'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Deatheffect: 'well after his head is chopped off. At The end you see his eyes open and mouth. And he goes shhhh.'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mulan: 'In xmen origins if u watch the credits u see deadpools arms carrying his head to his body '
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Delravian: 'oh thaat yes we saw'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Deatheffect: 'G2g! See ya. Wouldn't wane be ya. Being Me is better!'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mulan: 'new topic'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'i was reading about how some people would shoot themselves in the leg or foot or whatever to avoid being drafted to Vietnam... Instead of doing that couldnt they have just said they were homo sexuals? Back then that would have disqualified you I would think.. Wouldn't hurt as much as shooting yourself'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'or does that go in your record that says you said you were homo sexual?'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'Or the fact that gays where activly linched by the KKK at that time aswell'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'might have contributed'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'or social status '
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'being harmed by saying so'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'you would only have to tell the army officer or whatever i would think'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'it would still be noted why your where disqualified, and those are open for public review'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'I believe'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'yea'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'that would make sense'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'anyh'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'I'd still prefer some social shame above shooting myself'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zador: 'I know this is not of the subjeect... but really, who is on aard at 1.15? In our country this is the hour, and it's AM!'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'which country are you in?'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zador: 'Romania'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tutal: 'then it's just you and yours.  In the central US, it's only 5:18pm, which happens to be part of the evening primetime.'
T3/r2/2011-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zador: '0_0 So now most of are at work while we are sleeping?'
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Venomangel: 'heres a topic,is it me or is there deflation on tps and inflation on lights?'
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's just you, at least for the tps'
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'There's inflation on your mom.  She just keeps getting bigger and bigger.'
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You should probably tell her to eat healthier.'
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Venomangel: 'heard your mom won Biggestloser'
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'still, that tp just there went for 4M flat'
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'she IS it'
T3/r2/2011-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Venomangel: 'lmao'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Turie: 'Will the US Supreme Court toss the Health Care Law that President Obama got passed?'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no.  They'll pick it apart piece by piece like they've been doing.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't know, i seen pressure in alberta and ontario media/national media about how much better private health care is, and how bad it is that canada uses public'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's too big to fail, after all'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Highly unlikely.  In order to toss the healthcare law, the Supreme Court would have to adopt a very narrow interpretation of the Commerce Clause, which it hasn't been inclined to do before.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then i watched a report on a news documentary on the life of a heart surgeon in a toronto hospital, claiming that these canadian surgeons aren't in it for the bucks, cause in america the average surgeon performs 60 operations in a year, while the canadian does 2-300'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Turie: 'Which could possibly toss out Social Security.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'alberta has its own private seat in washington d.c, so that's where possibly their canadian anti-public health care deal is coming from'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'No.  Social Security has nothing to do with the Commerce Clause.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Social Security is authorized by the taxing and spending clause.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'People are IDIOTS. There's nothing in Canadian Law or Obama's Health Care Reform that says that you can't get private medical treatment should you CHOOSE to.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'of course not, but you pay extra for it if you do.  It's these sorts of things that people will bring to the SC.  They aren't against the entire package of HCR.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'However, the people health care reform was written for do not HAVE that option. They are either poor (or simply not rich seeing as how health care in the U.S. is ridiculously expensive) or the greedy insurance companies either won't cover them or will until they need health care and then it's denied.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If you love private health care so much, THEN GO GET IT.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'just saying that america's been trying to devour canada for over a century probably, at least since the writing of the book deep six, public health care in america might be part of a merger strategy, and public health care shunned in canada also part of it'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Let those of us who prefer social security health care get it.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'As far as  I know, public health care isn't "shunned" in the Canada. That's just what the lobby wants you to believe.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'like with Cuba in the 1850s, we stopped that after the war of 1812.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'in my little community, we used to have the brother of a husband of a east-indian princess performing surgery here'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'for something like 30 years'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'he wasn't in it for the money, and he was a really cool guy'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'My friend had testicular cancer at age 18, I suffered from a potentially DEADLY illness (mostly for the elderly, but the young had died from it as well) at age 10 (I believe it was a new strain of flu, yet to have an actual name at that time) and my aunt got an allergic attack asphyxiated.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Thanks to Sweden's public health care option, my friend is still alive and well and studying at uni, I survived my illness with zero permanent injuries and my aunt had a fighting chance (she passed away days later when it was determined that she was brain dead and her ventilator was disconnected, but at least she got a fighting chance!).'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'I just don't believe in government death pannels.  The corporate death pannels we have now are the only way to go.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because none of us were rich at the time of our illnesses/medical emergencies.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There won't be any government death panels. Stop sucking Fox News cock.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, even if there WERE to be any, it'd be BETTER than what you have now!'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Yuna, you may have missed out on the sarcasm in that comment . . .'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Turie: 'The better question is, do you want entitlements or not.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The question is, why do you believe people should get free tuition, free firefighting, free police protection, free army protection and free roads?'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I mean, those are some pretty darn huge ENTITLEMENTS.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'True.  Although you should know that in the U.S. people don't normally get free touition after High School (i.e. after 18 years old).'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I've never had to use the fire department, call the police (I've filed a claim, once, though) and never had to use the army for any reason (I'm Swedish, our armed forces' only work is allied work).'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Turie: 'Firefighting costs homeowners.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'all of those things are paid for by (a) inflation (b) taxes :)'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yet I pay taxes for all of those things!'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods.
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I 've never owned a car and I probably never will (my mom still forced me to get a driver's license, just in case, though).'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I use public transportation, for which I PAY.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yet BILLIONS of my taxes are spent on building new roads and road upkeep.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I meant "my country's", not mine personally.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Yuma, some have argued that road upkeep should be paid for out of gasoline taxes, so that the people who use the roads are the ones paying for them.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So if you're against "entitlements" such as health care, then start chanting about getting rid of government funded schools, roads, fire departments and police forces as well.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Sorry, I meant "Yuna" not "Yuma."'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We have gasoline taxes in Sweden.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'actually, republicans hate government funded schools.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Which is odd, since public schools in the U.S. were originally a Republican idea (from Reconstruction).'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But you can't use that alone for road upkeep because that'd require gasoline taxes HIGHER than what the price of gasoline is at the moment.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Road upkeeps costs tons of money each year, even for tiny countries like Sweden.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aztar: 'depends... state government funding or federal?'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Of course, today's Republicans aren't the same as the Republicans from the 1860s and 1870s.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'taxes on car and fuel far exceeds the amount of money spent on Norwegian roads'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'didn't they grow out of the Democrats of that era?'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Republicans are idiots. And the Libertarians are nutbags. That's why they so often go hand in hand.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So they never build new roads, Tinada? Also, they have very little roads? O_o'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I thought both rep and dem came from whiggs'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'or maybe Norwegians just drive more than Swedes.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Not really Dokkar.  Many Republcians had been Whigs before.  The Democrats date back at least to Andrew Jackson.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's Norway, they probably have a beastly snow-removal budget.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'we do build roads, but we require roads to be far more profitable than other european contries, so our road network sort of sucks'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'All in all, people are idiots, no matter where they're from. They often can't see the bigger picture and can only think in terms of "Me me me".'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'at any rate, european health care systems > US health care system - everyone is covered, cost is halved, no significant indications of inferior service delivered'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Cuban Health Care System > U.S. Health Care System'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if it's so good, switch Europe to a US type of lifestyle.  If the health care system still holds up, your claim will remain true.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'you don't sound like someone from europe, tinada'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'possibly not'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I am Norwegian'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How would the lifestyle somehow miraculously change the health care system's viability?'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'close enough, but not strictly EU :P'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So you're saying, the U.S. can never have a public option because Americans are too fat?'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Once people realize sugar is more dangerous than fat, we might be able to do something about overweight :)'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They're still European...'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Some might say that the U.S. would have a hard time affording a public option, since we are currently spending so much on our large military.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'BTW, Tinada, did you watch the 1st round of Melodifestivalen yesterday? Talk about the public being stupid.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'but even assuming that americans have somewhat more unhealthy lifestyles (see us surg. general estimates of obesity related costs and the recent lancet studies on global bmi)'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'we're still talking about maybe 15% of gdp vs 8-9% typical in western europe'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Then again, others might point out that given the amount we currently spend on private insurance and out-of-pocket costs, we clearly COULD afford a public option if we were to choose to spend our money in that direction.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'nah..I haven't watched those programs since I was a child'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If obesity is such a huge problem it'd be a great strain on the health care system, try to educate your people and feed them better instead of lampooning health care.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm still mystified by the price of those naval vessal's, the old senator of the one state there becoming head CEO of a information security corporation that is the governments leased security contractor -- knows next to nothing about computers'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And also, STOP ALLOW NUTBAGS TO GAIN POLITICAL POWER:'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the senator passed that to the senate which passed it and now he gets paid for something, but i'm not sure what'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'ok, that's not completely true. Two times I have visited friends and more or less been forced to watch the european finals.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the US is not the only country with corrupt politicians, and with all your ranting you cannot at all be unaware of this fact.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'go see if you can find the information'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Seriously, when Michelle Obama advocated better food in schools, Sarah Palin went on national television and claimed Michelle Obama was trying to dictate what your children should eat in school and that she'd rather give her children fatty, unhealthy foods than have government mandated HEALTHY school food.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And this woman would stand a pretty good chance of getting the Republican nomination for the Presidential race!'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'HOW is this possible?!'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I said nutbags, not corrupt.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '15,000 metric tonne american warship's, doubled in price suddenly, 125_+ on order for 400 million each, and rounding down the price of a few russian nuclear icebreakers into american dollars, 125,000 tonne shipes for 500 million each'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the US system where you to a significant extent rely on private (corporate) financing during election campaigns and elect only one person per district does lend itself to corruption more than certain other systems'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'where exactly is the world bank on this here pricing'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's where their absence of public health care funding goes to?'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'Even more hilarious is the SC ruling that coorperations can give unlimited amounts of money anonymously.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or what exactly'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tinada, you should watch the 1st Swedish semi-final. It was another catastrophic televote where the people voted forth two entries with zero chances in Dusseldorf (where I think the European final is gonna be held this year) while not even voting the entry with the biggest chance of making it big into the Top 4 (it ended up being 5th)!'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada boggles at the concept.
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The two who qualified for the final was a Swedish Idol reject (he came, like, 6th that year) whose song's chorus literally goes "In the club" repeated ad nauseum (that's the ONLY line in the chorus) and a guy who doesn't even speak Swedish (I don't think he has any Swedish roots whatsoever) with a number where he raps, some random guy sings a bit in the chorus and then they have some punkish girl rap for the bridge. And the song is about a drum. And the lyrics make NO SENSE. And the stage show is pandemonium.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Norway's laughing all the way to the European semi-finals. Yet another year where Norway will do better than Sweden.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Last year, we sent a Swedish Idol reject with a stupid song for the first time. And for the first time in history, Sweden didn't make the finals. If Danny wins, it's gonna be a repeat. But the Swedish populus will vote forth another Swedish Idol reject next year. Because that's what people do. They think "Me me me me", can't see the big picture and are then shocked that their personal bias and vision isn't shared by the rest of the world.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'Idol is stupid.  Debate over.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, Sarah Palin needs to be nominated as the Republican POTUS candidate in 2012. Because that'll another landslide win for Obama.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'quite a ruckus happened over that crosshairs web-application on her website, with regards to the classified reason why soldier-reject's shooting spree'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'at this point, Obama does not have a chance of winning a second term.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'because he hasnt fixed everything'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i haven't heard much else on that, but it's gross and probably media-classified now'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The reason why he hasn't fixed everything is because the Republicans have fought tooth and nail to vote down everything he puts forth on principle.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The voters should punish the Republicans by voting them out of office. But they're too stupid to do so.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tens of Republicans (30+ or so) voted AGAINST a rape law. They voted AGAINST protecting female government workers' right to report rapes committed against them while under the employ of the U.S. overseas.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Who DOES that and lives to see re-election? American Republicans, that's who.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And miraculously, almost NO Americans know about this little vote because they care more about BS like "Death panels" and Obama's birth certificate.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah, like most canadian's aren't aware of the US military signed agreement with prime minister harper allowing government agents to pacify threats in canada'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'who's a threat?  who don't you like today?'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'happened in a private vote around 2008'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'sleight handing his own citizens, i guess it's good that the UN didn't put him on their general assembly'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'sadly the two large reforms (health care, finance) didn't really help much - health care forces more people into the same not-so-amazing system, finance reform only strengthens the too-large-to-fail syndrome while not resolving issues behind the crisis'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'then again Obama hardly read those laws, so we can't really blame him :)'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In contrast, Swedish politics are boring. When gay marriage was up for a vote, all parties in parliament besides one tiny party with less than 5% of the vote supported the bill, so most of the Swedish people didn't even know there was a bill up for discussion until it passed. Because no one made a big deal of it. It was more of a "What? We don't have yet it? By Goddesss, let's do this!"-thing. Our scandals consists of ministers paying for housework or babysitting under the table or politicians skipping out of minor taxes for the funding of public television stations (and they all immediately leave their posts for those).'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Meanwhile, Americans who have been convicted of FEDERAL CRIMES can get re-elected. One of them got re-elected last election cycle!'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Are you planning on seeing the new Buffy the Vampire Slayer movie when it comes out?'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It didn't even make the 2nd Chance round! Because the Swedish televoters are IDIOTS.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Mischan'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'what trumped up charge did the corrupt swedes levy against the Wikileaks guy'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'rape, wasn't it?'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Rape.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'are the corrupt swedes falsify evidence and perjure themselves with false affidavits'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the charge was so ridiculous it must have come down from some political type'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no duh, it's the Swedish.  The only politics they're involved in are everyone else's.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'he was being charged with not using a condom during consensual sex, iirc'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'be sure to boycott Ikea'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Wait, seriously?'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no duh, it's the Swedish.  The only politics they're involved in are everyone else's.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and there's not really any practical way to make that a crime unless the resign from various human rights conventions'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'bah!'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'It's basically a bunch of people paranoid about the least damaging leak to national security EVER.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I don't have any of the details of Assange's case, but if he claimed to be using a condom and didn't, then that's rape by fraud or whatever it's called in English. It's a crime in quite a few countries, and for good reason.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Heck, in Israel, it's rape by fraud to claim to be of a religion you aren't in order to sleep with people.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yeah, it can't be healed by a healer.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'what actual evidence is there against Assante if he say he does not remember whether he said he was going to use a condom -- wiretap, teddybear-videocam, an appreciative audience ?'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'and if there is admissible-in-court evidence of a prior agreemen to use a condom, what evidence is there that he did not use a condom in the consentual transaction'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Darkiba pukes.
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Darkiba, the consentual transacion was fellatio ?! -- did the recipient get the stomach pumped as dna evidence'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Darkiba pukes.
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'yeah, puking instead of a stomach pump may be faster'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'it's an amazingly stupid kind of rule to have, since you will generally lack reliable evidence'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Darkiba pukes.
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'there was a CSI-type episode where the dna markers of a transmitted disease/parasite were used as fictional evidence to show that the disease was transmitted between killer and victim'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Darkiba pukes.
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'if a disease that was on Armante and nobody else yet then appeared in the victim, that may be construed as plausible evidence that a condom was not used'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'but what if the disease originated on the alleged victim and then appeared in Assante -- then Assante is being "raped" by the disease transmitted from the whore'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'why are you saying Assante?'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Wikileaks guy - unsure of the name: "Armand Assante" ?'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'Julian Assange'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Julian Assange did not play the villain in Judge Dredd.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'how can you discuss a subject when you don't even know the name of the only person really involved?'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'with lots of practice'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'perhaps too much practice'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'strangely, "Assange" "Assante" sounds like arabic names'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'no they don't'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'how many arabic names do you know?'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Darkiba pukes.
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"sure they do" -- if you watch "Family Guy' or "The Simpsons''
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the evening news said that two hookeers were involved -- they were obviously paid or coerced by the swedes to perjure themselves'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I am more certain that Bill Clinton is a virgin than I am that Assange did anything criminal.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'tsk, Morinon believes the bribed/coerced testimony of hookers ?!'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Xyliz, I think you missed what I said.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'By an entire order of polarity.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Darkiba pukes.
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'look at wehat you said -- Bill Clinton is married and a father of a daughter -- he is no virgin'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Xyliz: and I am more certain that he is a virgin than I am that Assange did anything wrong.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Parse that with your brain, not your kneejerk "Everyone disagrees with me" hindbrain.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'people usually do, but not for the reason he thinks'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'in an "either or" parsing,  the exclusion of the Bill Clinton as a virgin indicates that you believe Assange did something wrong'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'That was not an either/or parsing.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'That was a greater certainty parsing.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'So, certainty of Clinton being a virgin > certainty of Assange committing a crime.'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darkiba: 'who gives a shit!'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'you do!'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Darkiba: you may feel free to turn off the channel'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Coup de Calamar: 'And ask for another drag on wang!'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'anyone for the aardwolf socialist movement?? levels and qps for everyone!'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that's not what socialism is about, idiot :P'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'it will be by the time im done with it'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'btw, elections coming up. voting social democrats because i'm a filthy european'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'would you be voting differently if you were a clean european?'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'probably'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darkiba: 'ur talking bout us right?'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'are you trying to say something, darkiba?'
T3/r2/2011-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'did timmy fall into the well?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'democrats in 2012?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Craner Cranar: 'unfortunately, yes.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'lol'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'agreed'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos . o O ( Crnar wants the bush back, poor thing )
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'republicans are gonna have the same prob as demos this election'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Craner Cranar: 'no, i don't want bush back either.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Craner Cranar: 'he was worse.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'bush sucked...no arguement'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but you think that if the democrats are ousted things will get better, recent history notwithstanding.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'don't think that at all'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Craner Cranar: 'I have no faith in either party.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'agreed cranar'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'lesser of two evils though'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'third party is a wasted vote'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'if the republicans in the house do nothing over the past two years, it will be hard for them to run on the message that 'hey you elected us and we didn't do nothin''
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Craner Cranar: 'It is, unfortunately.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of course we can ignore the fact that when the republicans took over the government in 2001 they just dug a put and dumped the country into it. But hey, maybe this time they'll do better.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'if they veto health care...they'll be out'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Emik nods at Craner Cranar.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'my hope is that there will be some talk between the two parties and something gets accomplished'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'that's the hope every year'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Craner Cranar: 'this county will continue to run itself into the ground with the current two parties trying to run the show.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'i really hope both parites learn from the tucson shooting and start to work to fix the country rather than place blame'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'they won't'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Craner Cranar: 'and while third party votes are a "waste", they're only a waste because people still think that "if the current guy is failing, then the other party will do better".  that mentality has kept the U.S. as a nation, evolving politically.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Senator Starbug sighs at the sight of Emik.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'so true :('
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'agreed'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'but....third party can't win atm'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'ever notice how when ralph nader took a buch of green, environmental votes in flordia in 2000, the dems really picked up the enviroment as an issue?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Craner Cranar: 'The only hope we have, is that things get sooo bad, that faith in either party dwindles enough that they can't possibly receive majority vote.  '
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Craner Cranar: 'OR'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'doesn't matter...bush's brother gave him that one'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Craner Cranar: 'That's how parties evolve their platforms, Starbug, and how they keep third parties from gaining "power".'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the people of the US likes it rough and in the ass w/o petroleum jelly :) Whatever happens next, they will enjoy.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'never be a third party'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Senator Starbug is agreeing with that Craner Cranar person again...
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'er, never wion'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Craner Cranar: 'Third parties gain power indirectly when one of the big two take up some of the strongest points of that third party, as their own.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'win'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'take votes is what they do'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Craner Cranar: 'There are two solutions.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of course there won't be a 3rd party ever, you would need 2 parties to have a third...'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Anaristos:  The people of the US, or your mom?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Under the American system they just take votes.  If it we a porportional system they'd be of more use.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Craner Cranar: 'That either both parties fail drastically OR they actually start practicing what they preach with the non-bipartisan crap they fling around, but never live up to.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'not happening....each of their cocks is bigger than the other'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Craner Cranar: 'It's funny.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i just wish someone wld come along and say what's what...ala...drugs...gonna do em'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'abortion./..gonna happen...'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'rather a dr office or back alley'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'gay?...they voted for me'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'step off'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'whatever my mom may or may not be, it remains true that the people of the US can't control its government.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'lol'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'how we feel about egypt?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Craner Cranar: 'Ever notice that the minority party at the time complains about how the party in power is not helping the country and not working towards non-bipartisanship while also not supporting a topic that the majority brings up, and that the majority party preaches it and preaches it, but never does anything to compromise or listen to the minority party?  '
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'isn't this the perfect time for china to invade...then take s.korea?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'always craar'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Craner Cranar: 'They can control it.  Just most don't know how it works and that makes them powerless, and their vote, a waste.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'nods'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why would China do that?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'why wldn't they?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Really?  The Democrats seem to compromise a LOT.  To the point that they accomplish very few of their stated goals.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'always the better question'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Craner Cranar: 'We're still a powerful country, Emik.  China would never dare invade.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'never said invade us'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i won't go to war...but damn you if you step on my shores'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US needs a split Korea more than China does. The industrial military complex would take a serious blow if the Korean conflict were to be resolved, not to mention Irak and Afghanistan...'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'korea is split'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'That's the point.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Craner Cranar: 'China knows that if they want to defeat and bring America to it's knees, they'll do it economically, using world trade markets as their primary weapon.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'they already doing it economically'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Craner Cranar: 'Exactly.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'buy american!'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Craner Cranar: 'They're not going to invade S. Korea.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'india seems pretty paranoid at their border with china too'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i'll never forget working at walmart during the 'buy american' promo....sam wld be rolling over in his grave'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Korea is split because that's how the US wants it. They split it to begin with.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'what do you gain by invading s korea? the world's best starcraft 2 players?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they're always fighting with pakistan aren't they?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'India is paranoid about all of its borders.  So is Pakistan, for that matter.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'not sure, nkorea is asking for it'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Craner Cranar: 'Personally, I don't think China likes North Korea.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Craner Cranar: 'They just like having a lunatic deflect the attention off of them.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'course...that's prob all about succession'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Craner Cranar: 'So they support him, sort of, but not really.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'china is gonna get their ass in a sling following da freak'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'don't you find it peculiar how every part of the world has it's McCoys and Heartfields? If you answer the question "How profits by that?" then everything becomes quite clear.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'money talks'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Who profits? :)'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'from?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Craner Cranar: 'the EU will.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'eu is soooo lost atm'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'be lucky is eu doesn't go bankrupt'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'just ask an eu'r'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so the conflict in Korea is artificial, India and Pakistan artificial, Serbia and Croatia artificial, North and South Viet Nam artificial, and so on and so on...'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'not said by me'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'guess we need more episodes of MASH'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'yeah! let's make alan alda to a series on the first gulf war'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you want the EU solvant? Dissolve NATO, put hundreds of billions of Euros to work on something worthwhile.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'nato good, nafta not'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Craner Cranar rapidly nods twice at Undertaken Anaristos, in complete agreement.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'course...nato usu cowards'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: '2012?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Craner Cranar: 'Watch Ani, the EU nations will leave NATO.  Become economic allies with China, buy up all their goods because they'll be cheap and the EU will need them.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I mean, there is no actual reason for NATO and what do they do? They want to surround Russia with tactical weapons, what the fuck is Russia is supposed to do about that? So suddenly there is a conflict and everyone says, Thank god we have NATO, amazing.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'wld the government say anything if meteor headed this way?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'how can america compete with 1.25 dollars an hour?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'or 2.oo'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'or 4.00'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Craner Cranar: 'Though there is a trump card to all of this crap.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they could compete if they made their currency solvent.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'lol'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'trump?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'leave the Donald out of this!'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Craner Cranar: 'the EU could become powerful, if some of it's big research facilities develop like the crown jewel of nuclear energy.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'super collider'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'think i butchered that'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'bad idea, Cranar. That will just make the US escalate militarily to counter the pink threat from across the pond.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'like i care'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'america has been at the top so long, afraid its time for another to grab the reigns'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Craner Cranar: 'Well, that's a tool in part of it.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Craner Cranar: 'Fusion power.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'once at top, there's only one way to go'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'while I don't see anything wrong with your logic, Emik, you must remember that Rome didn't go away quietly.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'don't expect us to either'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'but rome only had a small world'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'there were at least 5 reasons that Rome collpsed'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i believe that'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US is certainly beyond its peak and into the decline phase, the question is how long will it take to fall. History will not be denied, it will repeat itself.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'sounds like global warming'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'we all know its happening'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No it isn't.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'go to school'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Did.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'lead poisonbing, christianity, hostile hordes, '
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'the earth goes through periods of cooling and warming'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, global warming can be controlled as long as Starling doesn't fart.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'you shld get a refund starling'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'now...how much man is influencing it...that's another thing'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm well-aware.  But human-driven global warming isn't happening.  The earth has been far warmer in the past due to natural causes.  The ridiculous environmental / carbon / etc. restrictions sure aren't helping the US'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'so...you're saying we as a people aren't affecting the weather?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'just curious as to your stupidity'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Not significantly'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'asked and answered'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'gee, I don't know, why would anyone think that a thick hydrocarbon blanket about the planet would have any adverse influence on the planet. How cares if the albedo is climbing? '
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Volcanoes (i.e. the earth itself) put out far more 'pollution' than mere humans do.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'as the weather becomes warmer, the heat-energised weather shall become more violent'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'tjat'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'that's bs starling'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Nope'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but the pollution volcanoes put out is available from where they stand underneath, the pollution humans spoit out is spread all over the world where it didn't come from and not part of any natural cycle at all'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, Starling, but volcanoes are natural and therefore are part of the ecosystem. Pumping fumes into the air is not.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'you can't tell me man hasn't influenced the earth in the past 1k years...'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'back when the world population was far far less, global warming was no biggie'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'or you cld...and we'd all laugh'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'consider uranium and how it changes things around it , and how its absence might affect an area of the world where it was in a naturally controlled environment for countless years'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I just did?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'questioning yourself now eh?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'again...go to school'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Global warming as depicted by the liberal whackjobs is a lie.  All it is is political leverage and money-making schemes.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Not my fault you've been taken in by the likes of Al Gore.  Maybe YOU need to go to school and study some geology.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'volcanoes blowing may cause a cooling effect'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'keep trying to preach that'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'never seen the movie'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is no question that the problem is being politicized, however that doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'exactly'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It really doesn't exist.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'repeating 'go to school' isn't really a viable debate tactic :P'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, Starling. We'll trust your judgement.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'there is NO way you can say man isn't influencing the earth'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Again, I just did.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'period....otherwise...'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'just showing ignorance'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'global warming is accentuated by increased carbon emissions caused by human activity'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'nods'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'At least, not in the way that the liberals state.  Of course we affect the environment.  But we're not causing global warming.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i didn't say that we causing global warming'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i said there's no way to tell man's influence upon'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'global warming is fact'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'same as global cooling'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling pats Emik on his head.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'if you don't know that....you shld bow out'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'potash in egyptian sands, doesn't exist , except where a lake used to stand however many years ago, from sedimentation and things like that stockpiling underneath the fertile environment - now potash is torn from the natural environments that are fertile and spread all over crops in a continual harvest cycle, that both poisons water and causes unknown future problems (aside from more oil driling, cause where theres' potash there's oil)'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'man's only'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what he's saying, in his own charmingly rude way, is that the earth's climate appears to be changing, but the extent to which that is influenced by man is very much arguable, if i'm reading it right.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'mis'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'an intelligent peep'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'now, carbon emission by human activity is a natural process, what the problem is the artificial emission which humanity adds to the mix. If, for instance, hydrocarbons were burned only to produce electricity and said product were to be used as the only power source, then there would not be a problem. But hey, how can BP and Exxon have record profits each year if the use of petroleum were to be curbed.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Right, that's why we're getting so much damn snow lately.  Clearly global warming is behind this.  Stop driving your cars, folks.  You're making my winter suck more.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you might be able to make the point yourself if you could stop calling names long enough. '
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'prob is...we've only done this for a 'few years''
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'names?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the industrialised human race and overpopulation growth is resulting in accentuated global warming -- perhaps sufficient to tip the scales to catastrophic weather changes, to famine, pestilence, war, death (and the ride of the four horsmen)'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Who are you talking to, Majic'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'emik on the last sentence'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'think me'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'point is still true'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'not here to coddle '
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, but making your point in a way that noone will listen isn't much good in a debate'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'truth hurts?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'not here to convince'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'then what are you here for?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'can't with morons'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No personal attacks please'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'see, there you go again with the name-calling'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'sex'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'shut it starling'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if you want to call names, there are many places where that's acceptable'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'not police anymore'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'global warming is unlikely to tip the scales ino a venus like atmosphere (because of the oceans)'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'who did i call names to?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you can't really tell anyone to shut it unless they're actively breaking the rules'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I will always be THE channel police :)'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'is ignorant a name?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The name Ignorant is available for use.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'yep.....we'll all always laugh at you starling'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: ''your stupidity''
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'grammar police'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'woo whoooo wooo'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Well, as long as I'm entertaining, then I'm accomplishing at least one of my goals.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'ehhh? who's grammar policing?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'not reading at jall majic eh?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'at all'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'if the earths magnetic fields were to fail, then there may be no magnetic shield to prevent the earth's atmosphere from being thinned '
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'no, I rather think that you're not reading'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'think what you want'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Well, with any luck the geodynamo will keep on ticking for a few eons yet.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and steel is magnetic, somehow they haven't managed to exhume enough in the world yet, of any mineral really, though they do still melt down junk and make it into new things'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'we've been making tin for years'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'first alloy'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Tin is an element, not an alloy.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '(Go to school.)'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'lol'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'bronze was the first alloy.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): L33tM4st3r Lashan nods at Dispel Majic.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'what i was going for'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You failed.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'blame the booze'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'several billion human (animals) may die off in the resulting catastrophe - the modern economic world shall change'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'you'd know all about that starling'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'but yes'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Nod, have had my periodic table memorized since 5th grade :)'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'meant brass'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'you know how to make that right?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Are your balls made out of brass?  Does lightning shoot out of your ass?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I don't think he's from Madras.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'brass, bronze, pewter, steel'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'indeed'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but brass still isn't the first alloy'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'what is?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'bronze'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'nice'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'bronze, as previously stated'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'nods'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i use to sell architectual hardware'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'lots of finishes'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'bronze isn't a real favorite'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'although...tis true...is prior'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Phosphor bronze makes good engine bearings.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'did not know'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'to preserve the earth's magnetic field, what if numerous large Alnico magnets were manufactured and pointed in the proper direction to the poles -- miles and miles of them'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'so...who's an atheist?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'someone who doesn't believe in god'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: '*coughbitchcough*'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'cough'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'xyliz, where are you getting your information about what would happen if the magnetic field reversed?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'many atheists are anti-religion -- some of those false atheists attempt to praise sex-perverts as gods'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I saw this movie once...called The Core...'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i'm the real thing'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yeah, I was wondering if he got his info from hollywood too.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'there is no god'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'just scared pple..'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Nature of Things "When north goes south"   (not sure if i watched that episode)'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'lol'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the field has flipped many times over earth's history without causing the end of life as we know it'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'who's life?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'life is not a who'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'i would say life is a 'what' rather than a 'who''
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'when the magnetic field was flipping, there was no modern civilisation'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'true...but that's not what i asked'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there is a word god in a book called the bible, which translates to the book, who's gonna say there is no god when there's a word on a page in a book that is written as 'god''
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'yes it is'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'k'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's what i don't get about atheists, alot of them will identify with satan and battle against the 'good principalities or beings' within the story with their imaginary satan'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it would quite possibly mess with things such as navigation '
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'satan?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'rofl rofl rofl'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they do that without considering how rediculously satanic it is, the principle of evil then'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but losing the atmosphere? eh?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'you don't need god for morales'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'read some fairy tales'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'like puff the magic dragon?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Necro one cannot both believe in Satan and be an atheist.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav nods at Undertaken Anaristos.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Belief in an ultimate evil is not atheism.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'ultimate evil?......come visit me'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then how come atheists attack their 'fictional jesus and god' in the context of the bible, while leaving satan out of the equation, cause he really doesn't care about being mocked anyways he's the mocker of mockers'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'fictional?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how come they even bother?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'They aren't going to name every biblical character.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'They don't say 'I don't believe in God and Jesus and the archangels and the lesser classes of angels and...''
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'who's eyes are you trying to enlighten with your higher knowledge that doesn't seem to really exist'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'well.... can believe all you want in a relgion'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'to each his own,...but what a farce'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(the belief in) a "Satan" does not require (the belief in) the existence of "God"'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'There is actual Satanism.  And I find most Satanists to be reasonable folks on the whole.  At least they're generally up-front about being self-serving.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'belief in god comes from lazyiness'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that would require some sophism in the definition of "Satan".'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"satan" means "adversary"'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"belief in atheism comes from laziness"'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'take some western civ...'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'find then use the word adversary. If you use Satan, that's a proper name that labels a definite entity. An entity that can't exist without also defining a precise adversary, namely god.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: '...truth is pple got lazy worshipping their gods.....so they went for one gopd'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'why worship 20'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'judism ...then christianity came about because they were lazy...just like today'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the original gods of religions were concocted by dishonest humans'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i don't doubt that'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'belief in atheism might be a perverted acceptance that it's possible there is no god, or else the reliance on the doctrine of the creator of their firm beliefs in the absence of intelligent design to falsify any fears they would have otherwise held of being punished in a real now in some other mortal incarnation of themselves by a creator that wants them to see the error in their ways'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'lol'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you know, like a platform to build immorality on'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'scared...that this might be it'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'trust me...this is it'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'trust you, huh'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's an extreme and perverse position Xyliz. Rather, humans invented gods because they needed to explain why.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'nothing after...scared peeps'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'man, your sentences are almost as long as a germans'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'you have some experience in this matter, then'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'can't believe intelligent pple can't understand'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'because you define intelligent people as 'they agree with me''
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i believed in spirituality before having any knowledge about the bible or occult, based on my own experiences and thoughts on it'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'course...that might be the prob'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i don't care if agree or not...wrong is still wrong'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'so what's wrong?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) L33tM4st3r Lashan: 'Oh? And you claim to know what is wrong?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i claim to know who's an ingnorant mfr'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) L33tM4st3r Lashan: '...'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I believe your words were "trust me...this is it" '
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'ever looked into a dead things eyes before and after they die, notice something is missing?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'always gonna be weak, simple people....who can't make a stand'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'world was flat one time too'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'necroshine flowing blood?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, Necro, they are missing an operational electrical system...'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'unless an ontological basis for 'rightness and wrongness' is derived, you outta luck'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if reality's so meatheaded as you say, then what did the meat of the iris lose in that moment?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'stand up'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'we all know religion is dying'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and about time'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ol' Dirty Fiendish coughs loudly.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'hear that'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'there's an optimistic thought'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'measured the voltage of a dead battery -- something is missing'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'why do our bodies fall apart, yet we identify as the same being the whole time we're alive?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'religion brings war'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'always has'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'people bring war.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I suspect that more people believe in god than have ever believed in god before. how exactly do you figure that religion is dying?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'religion is just a convenient excuse'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav is agreeing with that Dispel Majic person again...
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the more we understand how things work the less we need religion. Even when in the future we encounter the unknown we can be assured that whatever it is, is natural.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'cause we grow old'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'looking into a dead thing's eyes for confirmation of what, that you are sick depraved necrophiliac !? '
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if there weren't any religion, they'd find another excuse. '
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'agreed majic'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'religion is for the intellectually bankrupt.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'shld zeus have been mentioned in scrolls we'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Heck, we can find lots of examples of non-religious wars in the modern era.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'we'd be worshipping himn'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'we listening jhav'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'name one'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if religion's for the intellectually bankrupt, how come hume, hitler and darwin all had elements of it in their lives?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'didn't those 3 set the framework for alot of later trains of thought?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'waiting to hear from jhav'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'religion is for the greedy, the bullying, tke cowards, the lazy, the depraved, the sick, the deluded, he dishonest, ...'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Alright.  Let's start with World War I and II, Vietnam, and Korea.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's a point, Emik. The purpose of the Greek and Roman gods was to remove responsibility from humanity. If you read Homer, for instance, you see that his text is littered with "the gods made me do it, blame them" scenarios.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'i'd like you to explain how ww1, 2, korea, vietnam were based on religion'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'what?!'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'well...easiest is wwii'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'hitler'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the ruler on North Korea claims to be a god'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'the jews killed jesus and also invented communism. qed.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'one can't do that, Majic. Those wars, like most wars, were base on the almighty currency.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'hitler went after jews'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'based on culture and the fact that they were an easy target'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'not sure how that's nonreligiousa'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'regardless'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'you deny a religious aspect?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, but Hitler wasn't the reason for the war, he just happen to be a fluke in the plans of those who started the war.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'pretty much, given that it was based on bloodlines'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'you deny a religious aspect?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in WW 2? Absolutely.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what percentage jew did you need to be to be killed? 1/4?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'WWI was caused by the serbians rebelling against the divine right of oppressive kingship'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'we'll let the jews respond to that'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's still surviving demonology religions in parts of asia, who's to say what one believes from another, except they know?  anybody can believe anything, wrong or not, some are driven by fear and some are driving fear, some try to find solutions to problems that should have a solution'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'wwi was caused by assassination'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'serbians triggered it, but ww1 was primed for a spark anywhere'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Hitler could have eradicated the Jewish gene pool, regardless the war was not about religion.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'sure sure'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the character jesus in the bible is said to have 'spoken plainly' to the people, meaning that he didn't attempt to deceive them or confound them/exploit their ignorance with words'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: '..and the holocaust didn't happen'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'you in iran?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that's not what anyone is saying.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so , there's alot of that missing from the world in all levels isn't there?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Emik: you make it sound like you think that only jews died in the holocaust'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'whatever...anyone who doesn't know that jews were persecuted in wwii is a fool'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'never said that'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'of course they were persecuted'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nobody is arguing against them being persecuted'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'so did homos, retards, etc'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and gypsies'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'and why were they persecuted?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'nods...gyps'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'and why were they persecuted?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'and why were they persecuted?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'the jews were not persecuted on religious grounds. it had nothing to do with their god.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'because they were an identifiable group that kept to themselves'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'would you quit fucking spammy?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'sure'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'and this is why were where we are'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'you missed an apostrophe'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine, "the character Harry Potter in some book is said to fly a jet broom ..." -- the bible is a wriiten book of fiction'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'fuck it and send it to me'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'bible is a great novel'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's far more racism than religion in their case'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'being jewish isn't a race'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'yes it is'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'j.christ'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'sell that on the street then'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you're conflating the culture with the religion'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the two are not one and the same'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'we not buying'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'we not buying'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'stop spamming.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'another idiot'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'ashkenazi jew is more of a race than most races'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's something you can't prove, because like king james mentioned in the daemonology, even if it was possible to travel time to witness things for yourself , you rely on faith that your witness isn't one of satan's angels deluding you to see what your will to be done'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No personal attacks please.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'shut up sneak...you haven't said anything'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'i'd say the idiot is the one who keeps spamming the same thing over and over again before anyone else gets a chance to respnod.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'didn't personal attack'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the bible is not a book of fiction, the interpretation of the Bible as a religious book rather than a stylized chronicle is what is fiction.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'as much as i want to call you ignorant, i'll refrain'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'reality is that parts of it might be true, parts altered, the whole thing taken literally to be true, the whole thing false, it's up to an individual to decide what's real or not, because real consideration requires real understanding of what is being considered without fear of ignorance'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Emik is such an angry young soul :('
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'young?...rofl'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'maybe his parents didnt let him out of the basement.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling is agreeing with that Sneak person again...
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'it's best not to call someone else ignorant before you provide credible sources supporting your claims '
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that's wha'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i take care of my parents...part of what's wrong with america'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'jew in the old dictionaries were equated with: religion, race, ethnicity, corruption (<-- was a humorous entry that in the Oxford Dictionary)'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'can't remember where you came from'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'dude....you can't tell me being jewish isn't religious'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: '*sigh*'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'as a jew I can tell you just that'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sneak, like a Chinese eunuch kowtows Ol' Dirty Fiendish
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): What a burn! Sneak just showed Emik how they roll in her hood.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'go back to nazi germany...then tell us'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Fiendish is using a fiendish abridged dictionary'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what's real is real as it is, as it was and as it will be, regardless of whatever a person wants to be real, they might play a part here in that decision, but in the end they're left to the decision of reality'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'americans are so forgetful'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Judaism is certainly a religion, but the Bible is not a Jewish religious book. The Jews followed the Torah not the Bible.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'incorrect'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'jews follow the old testament'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'not the new though'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the Bible is a historical document which had many accounts of religious deeds, that is all.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'they do believe jc was a prophet'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Secular_Jewish_culture'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and mentions 'moses being learned in the egyptian scriptures''
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'but not the 2nd coming'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i don't need to read'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'perhaps if Sarah Palin were to venture an opinion on whether the Old Testament is a jewish book ...'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but certainly, when Lot's daughters got him drunk and seduced him, that wasn't religion, that was history.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'or you don't know how'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so , there's some basis, the translators of the hieroglyphs might have used their imaginations a little much and made a few too many mistakes'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'my parents worked for jews for 10 yrs'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ol' Dirty Fiendish coughs loudly.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i know judiasm'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'LOLwut'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'aaaand now the truth comes out'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: '?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"when Lot's daughters got him drunk and seduced him", that was bible porn'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sneak nods at Ol' Dirty Fiendish and says, "I concur." Why didn't you?!
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'even if what you say, it's just a bedtime story to tell a race of people, is the case, there's the pyramids still standing today'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and the stones at baalbek'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i'm an athesit'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i just study religion'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'hard to believe the ignorant pple out there'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'not well enough, it seems.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'whatever it was, it is accounted in the Bible. Which proves that the authors of the Bible were more concerned with preserving what was happening that in promoting a religion.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'an athesit -- an athe that sits'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: '..yeah...and aardwolf will set you free'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and let's not forget Abraham offering his wife to the king in exchange for letting them leave.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'yeah...'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'a real man does that'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Abraham was a pimp'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'your wife online?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'ever wondered what it'd be like to be a king, and change history to teach to a bunch of ignorant slaves who speak in your new language?  how many alterations could you slip in without them knowing, you being dead within 125 years and all, them thinking your words and the original words were written by the same author'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and Jacob banging his maids because his wife was apperently barren.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'just remember...i won't look back at death and say i wish i had...'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if that is a relgious text, please let me join.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if money makes a king today, and israeli's are a rich people, and follow the old testament to a T, then how is it that Samuel debunks the place of kings and claims that god hates them?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'sides...pretty sure most of you are sinners...if you believe'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'you quoting from that book, "The Bible for Smartasses"'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i mean...who doesn't have sex before marriage'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'would that be an edit, a social prose for popularity with god to sturdify their race's reigns over the world/kings reigns, or just what that particular author in the book wrote about?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am quoting from the same Bible you would read, if you bothered.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'I didn't'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'you alone then'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I have a few friends that waited, actually.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'ignorant is as ignorant knows'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a new verb word, "sturdify"'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'your overgeneralization makes you extremely ignorant.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'don't you have grammar to correct?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'explain sneak'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there are quite a few people who don't'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'who doesn't have sex before marriage?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'a lot of people.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Grammar, no.  Capitalization, yes.  Your capitalization fucking blows.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that sounds like something Forrest Gump's mother would say :)'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'two sides...easy'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'believe or not'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'no it makes you ignorant.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'two sides...easy'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'believe or not'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'which countrytown are you from.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'two sides...easy'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'believe or not'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'now you're just being spastic'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I wonder why Emik is so angry.  Something clearly has gone wrong here.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'no...'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Shame Jexebelle isn't here to psychoanalyze.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: '40yearold virgin'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i've expressed the truth'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'except when you haven't'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'now is just repeated bs'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'sure'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'he's probably angry because his parents used to work for jews'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's not about what you're expressing, but what you're repressing.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I've always fantasized about meeting a 40-yea-old virgin. Dreading that it would kill me :)'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'keep looking'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'hi Anaritos, have you met Emik :)'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos laughs out loud.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'these pple even think they like me?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'haha'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'rofl'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'you cldn't live my life'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'step off'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'not sure I want to live in a basement, really.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, we don't think we like you.  We may have many misconceptions and thinking errors, but our opinions of you aren't one of them :)'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I cldn't live your spaleing'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I can only speculate, but a 40-year-old virgin's equipment would probably have fused beyond any hope of use.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not necessarily'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I Don't know, ask emik.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'unless kept operational by artificial means :>'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'shock paddles'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I mean, old virgin horses can breed'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'read some fables'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'or dogs'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what is that buzz during the night? The neighbors asked.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'so i'm sure it'd *work* to some degree. although you might need lubrication'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'jc a magician?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the virgin mary's equipment fused beyond use ?! '
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Jesus was an Aes Sedai.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'a jew?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'interesting'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'nah, i'd say herod's wife was closer to an aes sedai'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but a male one, so clearly he went mad'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, he lived before the taint.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that would be the .. head one that, amyrlin seat'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'ah, right'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'her daughter would be a aes sedai, john the baptist a male channeler who needed to be stilled'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: '2012...discuss'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'next year.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the world does not end'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'wait...jesus is gonna save ya'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'definitely buying a ticket on that boat.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the virginity of Mary was invented rather late, most likely 120 AD. Iosephus certainly didn't know about it. Neither did did Matthew or John.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The world will end.  Emik's mom will shit a black hole that will devour the Earth.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'that was an impersonal attack'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i care'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Jesus is a fiction - proof in a thick tome to follow eventually'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: '*grin*'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: '*sigh*'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Jesus was not fiction, there are ample historical clues to his existence. What is fiction is what was later attributed to him.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'religion will be rooted out.....'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'and clues mean what?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'that a 'man' existed'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the sorcer mentioned in the apostles is mentioned by james in the daemonology as being mentioned in history books by other's from that area of the world'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'er'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'hell...might as well worship ceasar'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'quotes?...really?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'like i said, time travel'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'think we had some of those re zeus'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'just that, just like there were clues that Julius Caesar existed, or any other person claimed to have existed 2K+ years ago.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the conclusive proof that "Jesus is a fiction" is long and involved -- involves methodically chipping away at christian beliefs'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'did i stutter?...'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i said jc was rea'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'don't make him right'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'guess you'd have been at waco too'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'or maybe ruby ridge'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that's an incredible jump to conclusions'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can chip away the entire concept of Christianity and still find Jesus a reality. He wasn't a Christian nor did he invent the religion.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'all i've heard..fig'd join up'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how can you chip away a individual understanding of the bible, only a observed group understanding that you see to be ignorant, if you're not a member of that group to participate in what a actual individual member believes about what is being taught, you can observe the facio but only from the streets'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'no he didn't invent religion'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'western civ peeps'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Anaristos, did you spend years debating deluded christians and refuting their beiefs'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Jesus claimed that he was first and foremost a Jew, and all his efforts were for the Jewish cause.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'beliefs'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if you go into something set to fail, falsifying it and battling what is being taught wit yourself the whole time, say morality alone as perceived by the god they preach, then why would you see that as a fault in others if it's a ok morality to have?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it'd sound incredibly egocentric, whatever else you believe, to say 'i'm a myselfian''
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'You can think of him just as you would think of as George Washington, though more like a Mohamad Ghandi.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'lol'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'wasn't george suppose to be 'king' ...via benj'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'or the turkey the bird?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the common thread being the removal of a foreign tyranny from his people.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the bible as i remember it doesn't preach be nice to only christians, cause who can tell what others believe truely?  so it's not attacking your beliefs if practiced as it's written there'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'that's why i take on all necro'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine, "falsifying" is a bad word to use, since post-modernists (ruined the word and) use "falsification" to prove something'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i don't hate indiscriminately'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Necro, the bible predates Chsritianity. There is no way that it can have any reference to it.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if your beliefs are evil and you hear their god's morals spoken as claiming such to be absolute, as perceived by their deity, then why would that offend you, this perceived by you fictional being that has no impact on your deeds?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'what is evil necro?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'do you decide?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Oh, that's easy.  Freezer burritos are evil.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'velveeta is evil'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'book of psalms actually talks about similar things to christian morality, you just have to pick and choose what adds up to what, and ignore what is contesting to see that'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'there is no god'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'What's wrong with Velveeta? :('
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'just scared ignorant people'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's plastic'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'processed imitation cheese plastic'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that's well and good, but it was a generality, it wasn't referring to Christianity specifically.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic :)
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i have my own understanding of evil and know i'm not perfect, so evil is itself and i am me, god is god, real or not, real is real and this is the way it is'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'post-modernist in a corrupt devious wordplay state that something must be falsifiable in order to be able to be proven'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'again..fables...like i'm gonna kill someone 'because god says so''
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'or sys no'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'life finds ya...no matter where you think you're going'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that has always been the point of religion, Emik. To remove one's obligation to take responsibility for one's actions. With god around, there is no need to take the blame, blame him.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'so, according to postmodernists, to prove something, you must be able to falsify that something'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'agreed'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'must be right...i have god on my side'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'didn't hitler say that?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'probably not'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'how would you prove something non-falsifiable then?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'what majic?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'was referring to xyliz who seems to be arguing logic'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'ah'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'sorry'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Well, Xyliz, that is not a bad way to prove something true or not true. It's called Reductio ad absurdum.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'was gonna say...why can believe...but can't see that their might be the other side'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'er, can't'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'uh, no it's not'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'there'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'lest starling show up'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: ''no man can see god and live' is another bible quote i remember, so with that in mind anybody who claims to have 'heard his voice' should be asked who the speaker was'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how can they say god if their mind has no clear picture of god to observe, in this light?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'there is no god'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if man were on the same plane of existence as god, he would not be a man, by definition. (Reductio ad absurdum :))'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'no idea why peeps can't understand in the big dirt nap'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'guess same reason peeps run the rat race'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'see, again, you think 'i understand. therefore, anyone who disagrees with me does not understand, because of their ignorance or stupidity or perhaps both.''
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'those postmodernists desrve to be euhanised for corrupting the english language -- precedent set by Isaiah 5:20'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'don't understand, just educated'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'people can be educated and still disagree. if education caused all to reach the same conclusion, it would not be education but rather indoctrination'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'sure'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'like religion has been indoctrined?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'dude, nevermind, you're too damn drunk to make any sense.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos rolls on the floor laughing at Xyliz's antics!
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'k...expect nothing less'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'run!'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'expect nothing less...'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if a person says, see , this is how i understand it, ..., and gets their individual opinions and understandings on the same then they can make progress towards a general understanding without bloodshed'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'religion without bloodshed?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'what world you living in'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'depends what's the general consensus on ultimate good and ultimate evil progressions, and which side you're on, the latter would probably be in favour of continual destruction and conflict'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'who decides what 'ultimate' is?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'you?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the dictionary tells me what it decided it is, i have my own use of the word with my understanding of it'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'the dictionary tells you what the definition is'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'real world bitch...real world'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'as big as can currently be imagined and beyond'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'yeah...again...thought the world was flat'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: ''as big as can be imagined''
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'quack the blue skycar donkey swim on the silver tomahawk'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'expect nothing less...'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'ignorance is bliss i assume'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'afk..bb'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yep, this here is eternity and ignorance is the king's best friend'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'without it he'd be barren'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but with it he will be barren too , eventually'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'ah...a man needs children to know aboiut life eh?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'how are your children?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i only ask...since you're on aard at 2.3'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Emik peers intently at Yerrahar.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'soab'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Emik peers intently at .Faust Necroshine.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'brb'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah, reproduction's the driving desire of all kinds of animals, gotta breed into the next breeding season, and hide from the man with the scythe'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm happily childfree :)'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the dictionary is able to be wrong and or corrupted'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'that's nature'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's ignorance enthroned'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'example: a semite may be a jew and or an arab, but according to the (corrupted racist) oxford dictionary, an anti-arab is not an anti-semite, an anti-jew is an anti-semite  (arabs apparently do not count)'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(like when blacks were not humans)'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'wtf?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'along with the banks, the jws also run the dictionaries'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'do they really need to include anti-blah in the definition for every single thing it could possibly be applied to?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'hiding behind somebody's fear of being judged something everybody else fears to be judged is a old psychology trick'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how will the pack react?  the king's reigns dictate the next move, the driver of fear and the driven cattle'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine, that analogy sucks,'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's alright, just making a point to religious principals (earlier i used a similar saying) applied to a society of atheists'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'only here it's not god who's feared, it's your own hide being ripped apart by others fear which drives them to rip it apart, a big misunderstanding and a little man behind it all'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they said how clean and free a atheist world would be from the ignorant doctrine of god, used to create conflicts, and i just pointed out how the same problems exist under a more darkened form without even those demonic priests'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the priests still exist, except they're not preaching any divinity beyond this world that gave itself to them'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine, that ripping anlogy is dangerous when flung back at you  (hears the screaming Necroshine being shredded)'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'nothing to fear but fear itself'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'not quite'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and if light is the absence of darkness, then death is the absence of fear'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'dead necroshines tell no bad analogies'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'death is the prelude to hell'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you just made a hilarious one'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if this here isn't hell, then is it heaven?  then how come the sky is called the heavens in the genesis story, and we're underneath it?  is hell underneath us?  are we our bodies?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'hell is just a frame of mind takes a new meaning'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'hell is here on planet earth'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so what's to worry about?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'there may not be a heaven, but there is certinly a hell'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think the sky is still here'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'at least i don't deny the possibility of being set free'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'set free from fictitious bonds ?! ptah!'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'are these bodies fictuous?  they seem fibrally real to me'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'though i can only feel mine'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'pleasantly set free from ignorance !'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how come i can walk through fire in my imagination and not be burned, but here this body makes me weaker than my mind?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'this world's full of that isn't it?  '
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '... the most ignorant generation in the history of humanity ... '
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'wrong, you debased your body as weaker'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Coup de Calamar: 'Ignorance is bliss is it not? Why are people so pissed all the time?!'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'ignorance is hell'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'bak...ah yeah'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'face it...god is dead...blame your children'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'why anyone wld visit a fairy tale for advice is beyond me'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i ahve none, and if god is life, and life is limited to flesh, then it appears what never was is the end of only me'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'could it be because they figured out that someone has been lying to them all along?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'guess its not well known that you shldn't kill people'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'or maybe stealing is ok unless you'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'have religion'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"god is being rebuilt - may be a while, perhaps a few kotis aeons while hoary pretas howl"'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and one needs a god to know these things? To me they are self-evident, god's existence notwithstanding.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'god is dead'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'sorry'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'so?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'question implied?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'sorry...just can't see how any educated person cld believe'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'if "god is dead" then "god was alive", perhaps "god may resuscitate"'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, there is some absurdity here. If he is dead it means that he once lived, and if he lived, he lives, becuase by definition he cannot die else he/she/it is not a god.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'god is only alive if peeps believe'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'dying lie'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'just because he lived don't mean..shit'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i'm alive'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'now 'god is dead' but god is a word from the bible, and in the bible 'god lives forever, from everlasting to everlasting' , this would be impossible to destroy, and death is his servant'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'are you alive?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"first prove that god does not exist, then maybe god may be more visible"'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'even death shall be destroyed -- the book of revelations'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'prove he does...more evidence against'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '.. conquered death -- gospel'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'yeah.....jimi did that too'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '"alive" is an axiomatic term. The fact that I know this, proves the axiom.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the book of revelation is more likely to be destroyed than death'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'over jesus'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'goes without saying...next!!!'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'no soup for you!'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'according to Anaristos logic: "insert nonsense here" is an axiomatic term. The fact that I know this, proves the axiom.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what does the fact that John ate some heavy duty peyote has to do with anything?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'lol'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'does peyote even exist in israel?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i have my doubts'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the equivalent then.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe in a university garden'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i have my doubts your kids are'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'John likely ate some fungi-fermented rye bread'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'aren't atheists'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'some of those desert plants can be very mentally encouraging :)'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'don't listen to em...hell the didn't get tobacco til they stole it from us'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'potatos anyone?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'corn?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'What tribe are you from, Emik?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'cherokee'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'you?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not the 13th tribe?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Okay, I'll give you tobacco. But maize wasn't you guys.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'didn't say maize'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Maize=corn.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you said corn'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'that i did'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the New Testament was an ongoing work of fiction -- that is the reason the earlier texts are missing from the codices '
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'not maize'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'same thing'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Corn is maize.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'no its not'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Yes, it is.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'k'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i'd ask why its' not called corn...or maize but...that'd be counterproductive i guess'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Corn used to be a generic term, like 'vegetable'.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'sure'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you re not far from the truth there, Xyliz. Blame it on Constantine.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'In the UK, it still is.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'well...'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'morinon's right :P'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'that's the uk'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but what we know as 'corn' in the us is in fact maize.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: '*snicker*'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Potatoes, meanwhile, were from the Andes.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Still, the least healthy of the three ain't bad.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'is that the new world?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'home of the chocolate mint'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'wait...that was flat yes?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'absolutely, that's what I know the grain by. Though we call it mamz'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Incans, Emik. Incans for Potatoes, Aztecs for the Maize, and most of the SW tribes for the tobacco.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'never said anything to that affect morinon'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Now, I will say the Cherokee tended to get the short end of the stick everywhere.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'of course'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'don't forget that the indigenous population wasn't entirely on the mainland.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'but...all natives did in truth'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Including all those that you fought as enemies?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'yep'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, to be fair, Morinon, they were territorial wars, they weren't genocide.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and in fact, that's what kept the gene pool vital.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'even though a.jackson pushed it...'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'one of the best pres of all time'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: '*duck*'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Heh.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'only pres to balance the budget'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'er, pay off'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'clinton was the last to balance it'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'fing reps'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'So, which branch of the Cherokee are you, Emik? The Oklahoma or the Eastern branch?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'eastern'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'live in tn'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Awesome.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'You can read the syllabary?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'shake....use to read some ...what's his name'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Sequoia?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'has a site not far from here'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'that's him!'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'was a boy scout thing though....order of the arrow'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'boy scout...*snicker*'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'first homo encounter, one of the first 'smoking' experiences'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'speaking of.....homos?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'jc was a homo...you know this right?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon pats Emik on his head.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'No evidence either way, 2/10 for effort though.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'rofl'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Turing, though, or Lincoln.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'lincoln...good pres'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Also probably gay.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'heard that'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'don 't change a thing though'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'HC Anderson swung both ways.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(the fictional character) jesus christ was and is a holy heterosexual'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon pats Xyliz on her head.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: '-1/10 for effort.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'been around a long time'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'guess they burning in hell'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Emik winks suggestively.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(the fictional character) the virgin Mary was and is a holy virgin (according to the RCC)'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: '-5/10, attempting the same troll twice.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'any benevolent?...god who wld send be to hell for being me isn't my god'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Yeah, well, not all evangelicals are Fred Phelps.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i'd be ashamed if you called him yours'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'God is a pragmatist -- important to cast the chaff into the fire'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'lol'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Keep in mind, all the mix and match take on Leviticus can be laid solely on the back of a man. Saul of Tarsus.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'good discussion peeps'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Also known as Paul.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'not saying i'm right...well...'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'lol'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'but...i appreciate the opposition alwayus'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'always nice when peeps can talk'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Saul of Tarsus -- Tarsus was a centre of Mithraism'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: '?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Xyliz: Saul was a hardline Jewish zealot until his conversion.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'splain'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'kk'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'go on'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Xyliz is trying to conflate early Christianity, a fairly non-militaristic religion, with the cult of Mithras, a soldier-centric cult.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'not claiming to be a bible expert'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'like athens?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Basically, Saul had his huge conversion, renamed to Paul, and evidently brought enough people with him that the apostles pretty much had to let them in.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'saul = paul?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'wait...'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon nods at Emik.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i can see that'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Mithraists spun a tale of a crucified only begotten son of god that was killed, descended into hell, arose from the dead, and ascended -- similar tale that the Pauline christians later spun'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'nods...saul/paul'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'please don't get me wrong...'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'bible is a great book'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Xyliz... No. Just no.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'spreads wide morals'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Emik: Basically, reading between the lines, Paul was someone who came in and pretty much hijacked a new nascent religion.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'is all we have'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i agree mor'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'He kept all the sexual rules of Judaism, while removing the dietary laws.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'no idea re diet'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Also, Xyliz, were he a mithraic, he would have been far more supportive of homosexual behavior.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'just doesn't make sense overall'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Basically, kosher laws.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'jew Saul of Mithraist Tarsus converts to a christian and preaches a Jesus Christ story with a Mithraist spin'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'he was also pretty frigging misogynistic'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'No, Xyliz, mithraicism, by being a Roman Soldier cult, was pretty awesome on guys having sex with guys.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'wonder what they preach about me'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'talk about a coincidence'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'talk is cheap'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Paul, meanwhile, kind of hated it.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'who wldn't'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'there were several versions of mihraism - not all of them were perverts'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'dude there pimpin'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'perverts?!'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: '*raises hand*'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Xyliz: the mithraic cult you're attempting to impose on early Christianity was the Roman mithraic cult, not the zoroastrian one.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Muthraism was yet another version of a pagan mythlore that was around centuries prior to christianity'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'In the Legions, gay sex was all but demanded of the soldiers.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Xyliz, I am sorry, but you still have zero ranks in knowledge: anything you say on debate.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'bleh bleh bleh'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Wanting something to be true does not make it true.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'he has as much to commet as you'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'A pity you can use Knowledge untrained.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'esp with that bs you spewing'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Oh, Xyliz tries.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what bs now?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Yeah, which BS am I spewing? I'd like to know.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Christianity was another version of that pagan mythlore -- that Paul/Saul was from mithraic Tarsus is likely not a coincidence'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon pats Xyliz on her head.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'if you don't know....better call someone'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'm calling you, you're the one that called BS anyway'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'quarter?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Okay, Emik, so far the only person with you on me spewing bs is Xyliz. Who is currently a hundred fries, a coke, and a burger short of a happy meal.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'So back your claims.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'and yet...here he is'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yes, because logging on here requires nothing other than an internet connection and a keyboard really.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Emik: you called bullshit. Back up your call, or back down.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Morinon, Emik's best (and indeed, only) argument is 'go to school''
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'where's your backers?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'shut up starling'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Emik, that's not how it works. You brought the claim. You back it up.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'surely someone typo'd'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Woohoo, 'shut up'.  Emik told me to shut up :P'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i did'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Where?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'sterling...trust me...don't tempt me'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'As far as I can tell, Emik is the one spouting BS, but not quite as fast as Xyliz is.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I have yet to see even what I said that you consider to be bullshit.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon nods at Dispel Majic.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'wait...bs'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'thought this was debate channel'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Don't tempt you?  What'll you do, tell me to go to school?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: ''bs ... go to school' is not debate'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not anywhere past about the second grade.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon nods at Dispel Majic.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'mp sterling'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos laughs out loud.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'o'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'o'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I won't deny that I've spewed bs in the past, and probably will in the future. But if you're going to accuse me of spewing bs RIGHT NOW, better explain where I spewed it.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'soab'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: '...i'll be watching ya'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'whereever you go star'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Otherwise, it's a failed ad hominem attack clothed in false self-righteousness.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Sure you will.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'test me'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Testing'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'bitch'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Can't test you, you've failed too many already.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No personal attacks please.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Emik, actual personal attacks are a nono.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Morinon, do you disagree or agree that Tarsus was a centre of mithraism'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'its personal'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'what did i say personal?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'morons'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'what's that?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'ah'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'barking up the fucking wrong tree'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'ask about'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Xyliz: http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/pmithra/'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i'm cadmus'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Emik: calling someone a 'bitch' is a personal attack.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as to your point about Saul, Xyliz. You have it backward. Saul was a Roman citizen, something he regarded highly. The claim that he converted to Christianity might stick, but the bottom line is that he ended up sabotaging the efforts of those who wanted to spread the message of Jesus (i.e. That Judea would shake the Roman yoke) by pushing the idea of Jeuss as a god.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'its personal if its true'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'do you disagree or agree that Mithaism and Christianity are similar in their stories about the demise of their sons of god'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'its not'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Xyliz, we have no existing Mithraic scriptures.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'So there is no basis for comparison.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'bleh'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'The closest we have is Zoroastrianism, which was a dualistic religion.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'many religions are similar, humanity went from the few to the many, so the ideas of the few went along with the expansion. Many tenets of latter religions (Judaism included) sprang forth from ancient religions. Hinduism, for instance.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'what's this religion thing...?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'can't think for yourself?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Judaism I'll give having a fairly old basis.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Emik, I can think for myself. And thus I can look among religions and see what makes sense, and what does not.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'there is a record of what the various pagan myths stated, including a record of what the mithraists believed, even if as a synopsis'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'debatable'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Xyliz: No, because it was a mystery cult.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'We know no more about the Mithraic cult than we do about the Eleusinan.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Less, even.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'cult indeed'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'what you think you're in?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'The mysteries of Eleusis had outer mysteries that were well recorded.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'All we know of the outer mysteries of the cult of mithras was that there was a sacrificial bull for initiates.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the christian scriptures are a tad verbose, but a synopsis of the christian scriptures may be compared to the synopsis of Mithraism and other pagan myths'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'There is no synopsis of Mithraism.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'You are attempting to compare apples to vacuum.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'ah...someone else is educated'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'If by 'educated' you mean 'rabidly anti-religion', you are correct, Emik.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'why can't you admit you afriad?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Afraid? Of you?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a google on Mithraism supplies information on Mithraism, from which a synopsis may be derived'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'no you'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I think most evangelicals want more atheists like you two.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'no like me...not getting a dime from me'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Xyliz: I prefer to go with actual academic study of mithraism, not a bunch of revivalists of a dead cul'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'of a dead cult.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'farces are for fairy tales'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'again...too many people here don't know shit about the progression of religion'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Starting with Emik and Xyliz.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos rapidly nods twice at Lazy Shark Morinon, in complete agreement.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling snickers with Lazy Shark Morinon about their shared secret.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I'm quite familiar with the progressions of a number of world religions.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i'm bored'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Emik licks his lips and smiles.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Yes. So why don't you educate yourself? You could start with going to school. Western Civ, man.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'been...bored'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'facts speak for themself'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'So why don't you learn some?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I knoew that class would come in handy some day, and here I am :>'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I personally found how Yahweh went from being first and foremost deity to only deity.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'To be quite interesting.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i did...for myself'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'He bought out the competition?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Morinon, attempting to deny that a synopsis on mithraism is a futile approach - perhaps if you attempt to impugn the synopsis as recent works of fiction by disreputable historians'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the believers of Yahweh got invaded :)'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Emik: reading random internet articles by people who make Dawkins look like a paragon of humility is not an education.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Xyliz: name the historians.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Morinon, attempting to deny the existence of a synopsis on mithraism is a futile approach - perhaps if you attempt to impugn the synopsis as recent works of fiction by disreputable historians'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Xyliz, I think you lost a few words out of that sentence.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'ah, there we go'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Link me to the articles.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I don't think he was saying it was disreputable historians, more a bunch of neo-pagan revivalists who made stuff up if it soudned cool.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i was an atheist a long long time ago....only makes sense'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon nods at Dispel Majic.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's funny, Xyliz. All religions are works of fiction!'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'kinda like the wiccan revivalists and the norse revivalists'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Emik: agnosticism makes far more sense than atheism.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'see ya on 'the other side''
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'what?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'agnostics are fence riders...choose a fucking side'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Saying "I don't know" is far more sensical than "there is no god"'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'No, Emik, we're scientists.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'no its not'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'you might hthink you are'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'We don't make a judgement until we get the fucking data.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and you think you are, so how do you know you're right?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon nods at Dispel Majic.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'you don't question unless the need arises'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Bring up the data, Emik, and no. In science, you always question.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'don't talk science to me...you know shit about science'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Right now, at the UW Physics department, they're seeing if the 1/r^2 model of gravity is exactly accurate.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the point is that we don't know, and are likely to not ever know, and it really doesn't make a difference except maybe as an intellectual exercise. If he had a certainty of knowledge things would remain as they are anyone. Why would that be the case? Because if indeed deities exist and things are going the way they are, what difference would it make if their existence passed from the realm of speculation to the realm of fact? None.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'and why aren't you there then?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I have a Bachelor's of Science that says otherwise. And another to lend its voice.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'so do i'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'What field, Emik?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'what's yours?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Astrophysics.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'microbiology'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Hahahaha.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'we'll give youi a few hints before you take off'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you scared me Erik, I, for a second thought, that you wold say "dentist" :)'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Seriously. You're in microbiology, one of the fastest changing fields in science, and you think 'we don't ask until we need to'?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'We always ask.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav yells at Morinon 'Physics is just applied mathematics!' before running off, giggling like a madman.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'don't be afraid of the dentist...just ask for the gas'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon snickers with Jhav about their shared secret.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i do...even when i don't need'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'life is short'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'trust me'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Then question your base assumptions on atheism.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I've questioned my base assumptions, and everyone else's.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I'm only asking you to question your own.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'dude...if you can't realize god is a hoax...i can't help ya'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'with anything'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of course physics is just applied math... unfortunately the engineers tasked with implementing the findings of physics don't know math...'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon pats Emik on his head.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'pat all you want...don't change a damn thang'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I see no great evidence to support god being a hoax. I can see evidence to support specific deities as not existing.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'don't lose your cool, Erik :)'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'mever'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'just over it...ignorant is ...as...'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling pats Emik on his head.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'its on starling'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic pats Emik on his head.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'let you go majic'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, with all due respect Morinon. Don't you find god just a bit too convenient? Without god we all would need to take resposibility for our actions, without parol. So having a god around sure makes matters easier on the psyche.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon pats Emik on his head.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'unless you really want it'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'want what?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Anaristos: with or without a god, the only moral system you can truly trust is one you build yourself.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'your drunken ramblings? I've seen plenty'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling pats Emik on his head.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'statement remains'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Morals, by their very nature, change with the times. Ethics, however...'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'exactly! So why implement an unnecessary symbolism?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Ethics are kind of unchanging.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'see...you might try to push these peeps around...but not happening here'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Like I said, Anar, I'm an agnostic.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: '*lick*'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I accept that there may be something I'm unaware of.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'we all know that'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'And that could include any numbers of deities.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'or lack thereof'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'However, there is little I'm unaware of that Emik is aware of. Beyond specific details of organic chemistry.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'well...at least you admit i know more'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Emik grins evilly.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'too late!'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'More than an ant, perhaps'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'too late!'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'But I wouldn't bet money on it.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'No, Emik, I said 'that which I don't know and you do is very small'.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'too late!'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Stop spamming.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i can read'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'scroll up'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'but you can't comprehend'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'shut it starling'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of course there might be something out there lurking outside of our perception, and probably more able that we are. But worshipping such or the idea of such is a bit ass-kissy, imho.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'No, Emik, you can't read it properly.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling pats Emik on his head.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'your word means nothing here'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Apparently you can't.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I'd also argue that, unlike Emik, I am aware of the limits to my knowledge.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'not scrolling up...but i can read'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'well...maybe college will help morinon'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'by moving your finger slowly under the lines?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'ask around...nothing wrong with my fingers'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's an interesting philosophical point. If one knows what one doesn't know, the one must know all else how can one would be able to identify that which one doesn't know?>'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Anar, I'm kind of with Nietsche, really. I feel that any god who wants mere servants is not worth my time.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'as far as I'm aware, Morinon has a double bachelors in astronomy and physics'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Emik isn't very creative, is he?  All he can say are variants on 'go to school' as his rebuttals ;)'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon nods at Starling.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'starling...haven't said anything about school in quite a while'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, Erik, start saying "go to trade tech".'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'You JUST said that morinon could benefit from college'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Scroll up :P'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: '(Debate) Emik: 'well...maybe college will help morinon''
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Apparently Emik also suffers from a shite memory.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it certainly helped me, socially anyway :)'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'blame the dope'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon snickers with Emik about their shared secret.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Blame you?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Definitely explains why you can't debate your way out of a paper bag.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'sure...expect nothing less majicv'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'pulease'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Honestly, right now Dan Quayle could beat you in a debate.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I belong to the Church of God, the Utterly Indifferent. The God that doesn't give a damn!'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Spinoza's god, Anar?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'all i've seen is you losers proving what we know'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon pats Emik on his head.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Been reading Vonnegut huh, Anaristos?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I never did worship Spinoza, but I sure as hell liked him :)'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Fail ad hominem is fail.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling pats Emik on his head.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'truth will set you free'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Anaristos: Spinoza's god started the universe, then went on his merry way.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Emik vs Palin?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Kurt Vonnegut - Sirens of Titan'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'palin sucks''
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'actually, that's not from Vonnegut. Roger Zelasney(?)'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Sarah Palin would stomp Emik into the ground.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'hope she runs'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'd vote for her.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i'd love the chance'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'hell...bitch left her job'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'don't even say you're behind'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'at the moment GW could beat him in a debate without prompt cards, I think.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'and yet...seen nothing firm from you peeps'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Oh?  I'd only heard it from Sirens of Titan, but I'm not surprised similar stuff popped up elsewhere'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, well, Starling, that says it all. Not only is Palin mentally challenged, but she is openly corrupt. So I guess in US politics that makes her a viable candidate.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you've not seen it because you chose to ignore it.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: '*snicker*'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Emik, I love your failed ad hominem attacks.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'just wait...with age...'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Starling, you'd seriously vote for Palin?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Against Emik, Pringle.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'oh'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'well then agreed'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Sure would, and not ashamed to admit it.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'one thing all need to remember...i give a shit'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'every time you open your mouth?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Yes, Emik, but do you get it inside the toilet bowl?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Don't confuse giving a shit with talking shit.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'can be as dumb as you want'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'we see'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'may I ask why in god's name, anyone on the right would vote for Palin?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'we see...all needs to be said'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'good luck'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Yes, we're all being as dumb as we want. However, none of us would dare to go to your level.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I guess Starling is not concerned with Palin being mentally equipped for the job, she just wants to vote for a woman. Blaming the problems of politics on sex or race goes to the roots of the problems in the US.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Anaristos, that's not why Starling would vote for her, so shut the fuck up. I'm asking HER.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'lol'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'thank you and fuck you too.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'need someone to tell you how to think?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'I'm speaking as a libertarian who tends to vote Republican as the lesser of two evils, but I'd never cast a vote for Palin'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I'm still half-way considering the idea that Obama is trolling the US.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'thank god....palin has no chance'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Against Obama? probably not'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Against other Republicans in the primary? You BET.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Palin needs no other label other than a fucked human being trying to play a game she is ill-equipped to play just to say she played it.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'She'd KILL at primaries and that's what scares me'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'palin has NO chance'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'bet on it'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I think most of the Palin hate is based in sexism.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'bs...'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I think the Republican party realizes she has no chance.  I won't expect to see her on the ballots.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'No more than the Hillary hate is based on sexism, Starling.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'based on her being ignorant'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'I don't hate Palin, I just don't trust her'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's not true, Emik. Palin does have a chance because there are many out there just as fucked as her that will move her cause.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Also, the liberal media did a good job of smearing her name.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Not really ... I wouldn't vote for someone for a government job who already had to quit the governor's job.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'She quit her contract with her state as soon as she saw greener pastures'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'That being said, yes, Palin suffered from a severe smear campaign.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'palin DOES not havej a chance'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'And she's about as qualified as Obama to lead the country, which is not a positive thing to say.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'although.....'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if Bush had a chance, Palin has a chance. The US voter has spoken.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yes she did. '
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Emik, find another note to play, kthx.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i hope you choose her'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'You hope WHO chooses her?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'You're not even in this part of the conversation, Emik.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Try to keep up.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'trivia right now...bet....that sarah won't make it to the choice'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'where at pringle?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Yes, she would if she ran.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'so...that's a bet?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'trivia?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon pats Emik on his head.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'If she ran in the Republican primary, she has one of the better shots at getting put on the ballot'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'you too morin?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling pats Emik on his head.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'or afraid to put your mouth out there?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'No, Emik, this is my way of saying, right now, that nobody cares about your tp bets.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'starling>...afraid?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'That says nothing about her chances against Obama, which are slim to none'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'talk is cheap'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Your mom is cheaper.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, let see, you went through 8 years of Bush and you have the fucking nerve to accuse Obama of being unquilifed? While not saying shit about what Bush did to dis country? And now, Obama inherits the mess the asshole left behind and he is labeled incompetent because he can't come up with a miracle? You guys really deserve to the US get flushed down the toilet.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'probably starling'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Emik: so your mouth is free, then?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'damn...peeps don't know me'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'being a different guy than GW has nothing to do with his qualifications ... '
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Emik: if you made a bet against Bill O'reilly for a thousand dollars and he didn't take you up on it or even acknowledge you, would it be because he's chicken, or because you aren't worth even humoring?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I don't think Obama is incompetent, necessarily.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'gw was a bastard'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you put up with bush you sure as hell can put up with Obama. The point.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'wld be because he's chicken'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Anaristos: Bush and Obama were both unqualified.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Heck, in some ways, Obama is the kind of president I would love. However, in being that kind of president, he's not backing up his claims when he ran.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there are a lot who didn't like bush either :P'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Just because I'm slamming Obama doesn't mean It hink Bush was a saint'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'saying that obama isn't qualified doesn't mean bush was :P'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so why didn't you stand up against bush, you fuckers re-elected the asshole.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i never understood......obama is pushing to get shit done'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'So fuck off with your black-and-white mentality'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Anaristos: you do realize that some people didn't like Bush and don't like Obama, right?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'can always repeal'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'And Emik, Obama's problem is that he is NOT pushing.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you fuckers ... includes a hell of a lot of the population that didn't vote for him :P'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 're read'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'jc...ignorants are all around'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, I do realize that. But no one called bush incompetent, people were lined up to lick his ass.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'He is pushing far less than any president in the last 20 years.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Anaristos: bullshit.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'no one called bush 'incompetent;?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Obama and the Democrats had 2 years of absolute power, and aside from the health care bill which is collapsing under its own weight, they accomplished NOTHING.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'And you dare call Obama someone who's pushing?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'holy shit'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'sorry...bush will be remembered as one of the worst pres'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'funny, I seem to remember several years of argument on gossip debate and immtalk about how incompetent he was'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Anaristos, oh my God, what were you watching that nobody called Bush incompetent? Where do you live?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Emik: I never called Bush incompetent. I think he's smarter than he lets on. However, I have called him 'wrong'.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'he should never have bveen president to beging with and after fucking up for 4 years, he gets re-elected? Look at the millions who voted for him. How could he even possibly get one vote?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'all good...i called him incompetent'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'because I live in Western Washington, and I didn't see a plethora of people willing to say anything positive abouthim'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Anar: 2004 was the Dem's election to lose.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'love when he tried to open the locked door'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'I love when Obama read the wrong speech'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Or claimed there were 58 states'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'that was?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'This train can go both ways, Emik'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Everyone's done stupid shit'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: '58 states my ass'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'he said it.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but that's beside the point, the point is that no president following bush is going to solve the mess he left behind, not for the next 20 years. But you want Obama to fix it in a thrice.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'I will show you the clip'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'show me'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Anar, no we don't.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'my bad, 57'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Stop painting us like strawmen.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'You do have to admit that Bush had a certain flair for the incorrect.  You have to wonder how much time he spent around Dan Quayle...'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'lol'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'http://www.meta-religion.com/World_Religions/Ancient_religions/Mesopotamia/Mithraism/mithraism_and_christianity_i.htm'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'it was amusing....the slip ups'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Xyliz: meta-religion is a center of wishful thinking and crystal waving.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'finding a website to support your thinking means nothing at all'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Bush had a flair for the incorrect because he has a low yield brain. Had he not had a silver spoon he would have been sitting at some curb with a tin cup.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if you look long enough you can find a website taht supports anything'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Yeah, he's had more than that. Every public speaker who has a shitload of camera footage is going to have slip-ups'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Why would that be bad, Majic?  I believe everything I read on the internet :D'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I can find a website that purports to prove that -1 times -1 is -1 :P'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'why do pple think a quote means anything?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'And they're going to be caught and people are going to point them out'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and a whole bunch crazier :D'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Emik: I don't, and that's the point'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'for any quote...there is an opposite quote'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'You're claiming these thigns about Bush because he said stupid shit, using quotes'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'you learn to not quote in college'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'I use stupid quotes from Obama, and you do a 180 and say quotes don't mean anything'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'hey, if I constantly say stupid things are you going to go around telling people that I am genius?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Did I say Bush was a genius?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'any quote you can do has another quote re the opposite'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Emik should run for office.  He'd make an excellent flip-flop candidate.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Morinon, at least meta-religion put up a website - did you '
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'nope anarist...stupid doesn't change'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, but you are saying he's not stupid, which is not as extreme but leans in that direction.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'does he have to put up a website to be right?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'no no...i said he was stupid'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Quote me saying "Bush is not stupid."'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'who needs to pringle.....'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'And that last one doesn't count'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'my god, now I figured out where xyliz got all his crazy ideas'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Anaristos does, because he claimed I said that'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there are certain people who can't think very well, they are not equipped to do so. Bush is one of those people.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'he thinks if someone went to the effort of making a website it must be true"'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'Bush is not stupid.....'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'he's retarded'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'bush is a moron/../...lol'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I wouldn't say that.  I'm sure he's a very erudite fellow, in person.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'anyone wld doesn't know that ...well'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Bush is dumber than his fans claim, and smarter than his detractors claim.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon nods at A Can of Pringle.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'no comment needed'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's a technical matter, Launch. There are several levels of mental retardation. I would put him at the EMH level.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'Calling Bush dumb is a insult to dumb people. Dumb people can still hold a book right.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'He's an emergency medical hologram?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'hot damn'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'why is this beer in a purple can?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'lol launch'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Launch: that's so stupid that you deserve to be thrown out. That was a photoshopped image.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav snickers with A Can of Pringle about their shared secret.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'forget him launch'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'I wonder how one can photoshop 20 seconds wroth of tape'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'just a bit testy'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'can''
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Show me the 20 seconds of tape of him holding a book upside down'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'I wonder how I , with 5 year study in Media wouldn't have noticed that'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'any children's librarian knows that book covers often end up on upside down'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'can't handle a discussion'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'seeming I photoshop daily'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'I'm pretty sure I saw only a still image, and another image that had him holding it right-side up'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'even if the history of mithraism is somewhat obscure, the antitheist contention is that christianity is based on a variety of pagan mythlore - lots of synopsi on those pagan myths'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'pringle just doesn't know when to shut up'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/bushbook.asp'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Read and weep, and re-examine your college education'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: '*grin*'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Xyliz, I will accept a number of myths as leading up to Christianity. Mithraism is just not one that stands up to scrutiny.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Emik: dude, you of all people saying that?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'timeee...is on my side....'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and while we're at it, http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/presiq.asp'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'No it's not.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'yes it isss...'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'w/e pringle, even if that being so, staring blankly into nothingness when your the president adn you just been told "your country is under attack" still proves your mentally retarded'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but here is what's really the point. Every time a "Democrat" wins the presidency he is immediately criticized. Everyone clamors for a "Republican" to be in the White House. When they get their wish and get thoroughly rear ended, they say nothing, they just elect another "Democrat" to take the blame for the gangster that just left the office.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'bottom line....'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'No, Launch, you might just be thinking hard.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'obama and the democrats have done more in 2 yrs ...'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Majic, from the internets and irc'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Anaristos: do you only watch Fox or something?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'why can't you just go on to repeal?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'ye it's so hard to yell "who, where, are their casulties" '
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'eh launch, what were you expecting him to do? start issuing orders immediately without thinking?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'afraid you won't be backj?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what xyliz?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'shld be'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Launch: I ask you. What purpose would getting angry and causing a roomful of children to panic serve? Would those be the actions of a good leader?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if if that is not the pint, why not get a Republican elected after Bush? Because he would have to take the blame for what Bush did, and that would make Republicans look bad, ergo, a Democrat must be elected.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Because, while I'll admit Bush had a free pass for about a year after 911, after that came the criticism.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'to show you care of your people and country'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'like he'd know'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'And before that there was also criticism.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'that you have some emotion and love for it'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Emik points excitedly at A Can of Pringle!
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I don't know where you're listening, but I have always heard criticism.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'he's never led a damn thing'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'so you must immediately react emotionally to show that you caer?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'I don't want an emotional president'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'I want a rational one'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that's an incredibly stupid thing, I don't want a president who starts shouting in panic'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Bush was not a rational president, don't get me wrong'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'Emotion can be done on several levels'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'But no, I do NOT want a president who is going to act with his gut.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'you don't have to get emotional to show emotion'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there are many real things to criticize him about'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Launch: including looking off into space and not showing it.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'why the fuck pick on him being not emotional enough?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, give us a cold-hearted asshole that will kill about a million people in Iraq for a few barrels of oil.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Because, perhaps, showing the emotion you feel is NOT PRODUCTIVE?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'What barrels of oil?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'We have yet to get any oil out of Iraq.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Emik grins evilly.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'iraq is bushes war'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'er, daddy's war'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'rofl, stop putting word into my mouth guys'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: '"emotional this" blabla'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'by we, you mean, the people of the US. There are, however, people making money off the Iraqui oil.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Alright, I think I'm about done with this conversation. It's really not productive debating on the internet, because nobody's ever swayed and it ends up being either a shouting match or a one-sided circle jerk.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'I enver said that shit'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I'll accept Emik's explanation before 'it was a war for oil'.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'all I said he stared into blankness and did nothing'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i'll see you the fuck around pringle'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'I'll leave now with my gold medal in the special olympics thank you very much'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Majic, "where xyliz got all his crazy ideas"'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'run bitch'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Anaristos: there were people making money off of Iraqi oil before we invaded.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'and that instead of that he could have said "what where who" '
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): A Can of Pringle bows deeply.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yes xyliz, so much is obvious.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'getting all of your ideas off the internet and irc is not exactly something to be proud of'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, but the US didn't have control of it. Hussain proved to be less malleable than expected. '
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Wait I have an idea, change of subject'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Yeah, we don't now.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Everyone who was involved in the production of this year's Super Bowl ought to be ashamed of themselves'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what's a bieber?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'from Christina Aguilera messing up the national anthem'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'peas were a no no'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'to the horrible black eyed peas'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, they should have had the Saints and the Jets play.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'Saddam, ohh don't get me started their'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I think anyone who cares agrees with you, Pringle.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'to the major promotion of Glee, pretty much the antithesis of the football crowd'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(and from a God that does not exist, especially the proof that God does not exist)'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'wet dream'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am glad I missed it :)'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'American put him into power, then what him gone when he wants to start using euros instead of dollars for oil'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'to the inability of the players to catch the fucking ball'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i catch balls all the time'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'jealous?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'In your mouth?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'see'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, you know, Launch, that was the problem they had with Noriega, but Hussain was tougher than he was so they could not just kidnap him and throw him in jail, they had to kill him.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'Thats not even the worst part'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'worst part is telling 2 mil koerds to rise up'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'and when they do leave them to die'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Man.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'If only the British had listened to Lawrence.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'you sit there....see how it goes'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Then we'd have the Sunni, the Sufi, and the Kurds, would each have their own country.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'their fight'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'rofl , no americas figh now'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'us can't be the world police'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'Rofl no you can remove housein, the one person who kept them in check'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'like you'd have went'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'but ofc your not responcible for the consequences'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i don't do'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'just like with arming the taliban against the soviets'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'it will so come back to bite you in the ass'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'step on my shore....gonna regret'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'not bitin  me'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'I sooo hope that we do absolutely nothing in Egypt'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Agreed.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Justin Bieber -- SNL attempted to recruit him as the new church lady (j/k)'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'my mom's all "but if the muslim brotherhood takes over they could attack israel"'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i'd so fuch him'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'nobody's attacking israel with any major force. Why?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'your already supplying the current regime with weapons..'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'canada my ass'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Because they learned it don't work.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'same reason no country has started a war with us in 60 years'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'your already involved in egypt...'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'nukes'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'they tried 7 vs 1 pringle'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'and failed'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: '*sigh*'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'Isreal already has nukes, trowing a nuke on isreal is starting w3'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'ww3*'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'besides, Jeruzelam is holy for all of them'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'none of them will nuke it'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'using the internet at least provides a database for others to look at. If i do eventully write a book, the bibliography shall likely be internet references'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Xyliz: will you put it out via Llewellyn press?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'bleh'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Morinon, is that a humorous reference'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'don't prevent others...'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'But it provides little discrimination between a reliable and non-reliable source.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'and a book is garenteed to be right maji ?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'just because you're ignorant....'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'majic*'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Xyliz: yes, it is. Llewellyn press publishes a lot of religious-based material. Some of it is good. Most of it is crap.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Eh, no. But some books are more likely to be right than others.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'wonder who's asking for help after this?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'its tough i gues'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'you do realize, all information you know right now is based on observation you have made so far, as is the same for others. all can change.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'so theoraticly, nothing is right'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Right now, the military gets to decide how Egypt goes.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon nods at A Nuclear Launch.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'sure...observation...that's what i kno'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'That's the basis of science.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'of course you need to start with some axioms :P'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'the basis of science is the scientific method'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'dpm'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Emik: the basis of science is 'test to destruction'.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'And seeming the egypt military is being paid almost directly by the president who gets the money from guess who!'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'That is what we do to our theories. When they break, we make new ones.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'morons'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'My guess is, in about 2 weeks, egypts revolution will start going bloody.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Launch: the military often sides with the populace.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'hey...do your thang...'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'see who comes out on top'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Who signs your paychecks is actually not the best certainty of loyalty.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'fact remains'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I mean, think about it. Are you loyal to your boss?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'most of the time the military sides with the populace though when a revolt seems unquellable and it's a full blow revolution'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'fact remains'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'can still swing both ways'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Launch: they already have shown sympathy with the protestors.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i do all the time launcdh'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'They shown sympathy for both sides mor'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon nods at A Nuclear Launch.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'not a sex thang'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'they helped protestors on one ocasion'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'but at the other let the pro guys attack them'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'so really don't know'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'shit...these peeps cldn't keep up with my sexlife'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Right now, I think they're staying back and waiting to see who will most likely win.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'protip, the military is made up of individuals just like everyone else'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'A prudent measure.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'protip, any soldier is just a murderer in my eyes pringle'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'you have a great imagination.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Protip: killing=/=murder.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'well...join them if want...'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'ohh so a soldier doesn't train to kill ? '
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'good luck'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Killing=/=murder.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'nope Morinon theirs a real difference between killing and murdereing'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'lol'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'So if someone were invading your country, you wouldn't want your country to have any soldiers for defense?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yes, that's what he said'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'Killing means you had to take someone / things life inorder too preserve your own'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'murdering is taking someone or somethings life when you still had another choice'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'asked and answered pringle'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'whats wrong with soldiers.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Launch: how nice of you to make up your own definitions for words.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'What if their where no soldiers at all sneak ?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'When there's already given definitions that the rest of the world follows.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'that should answer that question in it's total...'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'without soldiers their can't be wars'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'then the first nation to acquire them would take over the rest'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon nods at Dispel Majic.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'btw...shut up pringle'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'and aslong as people hold those kind of fears and think of abusing their power towards a weaker person, the longer the world stays shit like it is'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'like you've had anything intelligent to say for 2-4 morts'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Launch: good luck fixing humanity.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'only took you 4-5 years'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon pats Emik on his head.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'now you really are going into the realm of personal attacks'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'soo..come strong, or not at all'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'you need some?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'The french revolution didn't begin over nothing Morinon'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Launch, there's a comedian quote that sums up your idea of no soldiers'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'So cute of you to think someone's levels has shit to do with their opinion.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: '"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."  --Jack Handey'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'agreed mori'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'although it might take a thousand years, i'm sure at some point we'll grow over our basic fears'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'maybe. or maybe not. those fears are usually justified'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there's always someone out there who's willing to take advantage'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'another quote...great'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'so much for thinking on your own'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'No we won't'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'wtb: nuke for emik.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'good luck'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'wish I had better luck than your parents.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'truth hurts'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'I don't call that humor Pringle, I call that the dark side and our failure as humans'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'wish all you want sneak'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'The day that humanity overcomes all fear and prejudice, someone will be born into that world and see conquest ripe for the picking'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Launch: how will you fix it?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'We're on of the only creatures on this planet that kills for fun or power '
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'That's the problem. You can't.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Protip: Gene Roddenberry was WRONG.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Oh, and BULLSHIT.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'like hell we are'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'No we aren't.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Dolphins.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'ever seen a cat with a mouse?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Dolphins murder for the fun of it'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'again...good luck'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'cats kill mice and birds even when well-fed for fun'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'Ohhh ? '
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Dolphins rape'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Dolphins seek out sharks that pose no harm to them and kill them just for the fun of it'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Dolphins rape, dolphins murder. Swans rape.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Dolphins kill porpoises'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Not for their meat'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'most birds rape'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'For the sport.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'I did say "one of the only"'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'one of the only implies it's rare'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Chimpanzees are sociopathic assholes'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'who else hunts sharks?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'you guys are just trying to find every little flaw'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'No, Launch, it's depressingly universal.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's not rare'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'instead of going for the point --''
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'sides man'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Your point is false.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not trying to find every little flaw. pointing out why your entire point is invalid.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'No Launch, you made an absolute statement'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'your point is false'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nature is nasty and brutal'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'And we showed that your base assumption was completely flawed'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'nature happens'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'when most creatures fight it's for mating rights, or alpha rights. And even if they fight for sheer power, they alow the weaker one of leave.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'thought you did pringle'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Alpha rights is a purely power thing'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'ohh ? alpha pure power sure'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'last chance'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'You know what else is false?  Random whack jobs thinking that they know the truth behind everything, when really, they can't realize the reality of their own world, let alone things that are going on in other areas.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'i mean they don't decide wher the pack goes'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'and that kinda stuff'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'one more...sy it'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'That's power!'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'there are a few of themt alking right now.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'there we go'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Those who are in power tell those who aren't in power what to do'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'no, it's only power when you go and force your will on it'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Emik, please come back when you make sense without the aid of psychotropic drugs.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Uh no'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'it's a form of service if you do the best for the group'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Again you're redefining words'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'can tell them right now...you're a prick'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'There's power and then there's how you use that power.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'and...i wait for ya'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: '...time....is on my side'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'ye'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'No it ain't.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'yes it is'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yeah it is, in time the drugs will wear off'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'want some mori/'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'That song is a sign of evil to me'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'heh did you see that crappy tv movie too?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'because of that movie with Denzel Washington and John Goodman'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'You know who's side time is on?  Hootie and the Blowfish's side, they have plenty of time.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'the demon who would jump bodies and sing "Time is on my side"'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'shld learn who singsw'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'haha yes :D'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): A Nuclear Launch is questing and will be right back
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'It wasn't a TV movie even'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'That was an awesome movie.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'i saw that on tv when i was in the hospital after my appendectomy'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'It got a theatrical release'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon nods at A Can of Pringle.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'fallen....great movie'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'The Fallen, IIRC'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'It wasn't a great movie but I did enjoy the twist at the end'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'i didn't see movies in the theater at that age '
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'oehh bonus trivia ^^'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nogs'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'damnit...i do money'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Xyliz is "THE INTERNET IS NEVER WRONG"'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'mis'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'nice mischan, mori'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'okay, for lack of better words pringle, i'm gonna have to agree with you, it's not the power thing itself but how you use it'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'and who decides what 'power' is'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'clearly, the nutjobs are now agree'ing with each other.  we're screwed'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Words are perfectly good and usable, you just don't like them so you make your own definitions'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'mis'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Oh yeah, suck it hard!'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'mis'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'sure i can precede pringle'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'it's hard too explain what I mean though, I was meaning more of power being the sort of forcing your will upon a group because your in a position to do so'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Lions do it'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'while you also have the form where you infleunce the group because it's the right thing to do and thus try to get their approval'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Male lions really don't do shit, at all, they let lionesses do all the hunting'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'don't ask prngle'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'And they murder each other, and other offspring, just so they can make sure THEIR offspring grows up'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'alwatys been a whore'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Are you calling me a whore?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'nope'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'then they kill pringle'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I'll have you know that Pringle never charges.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'no murder'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Because you're on my last nerve and I will write that up'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'nope'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'last nerve'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'So who's a whore'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'remains to be seen'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Six Six Six points excitedly at a ghostly prostitute!
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'night night'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: '*grin*'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'You said "don't ask pringle" "alwatys been a whore"'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'yes...'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'finger alwatys "There is no player with that name."'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i called you a whore'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'and?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Ah, Emik.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Unless you can say who you thought was a whore, it's pretty obvious you were calling me one'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Welcome to the wonderful world of 'crossing the line'.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'And you just violated mud policy by directing a personal attack my way on a public channel'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i didn't say i thought...i saaid you were a whore'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'report it'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Yeah, I do believe he's doing so.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i hope so'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Emik rubs his hands together in greedy anticipation.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Really want another nuke?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No personal attacks please.  Read help policies3.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'never been nuked'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'theirs only 1 nuke, and thats me!'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Cadmus is on the badname list.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): A Nuclear Launch starts to quiver, when suddenly KABOOM! Weasels fly everywhere.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'i've read the polilcies'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'ah good, so you don't have the excuse of ignorance'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'and yet....i'm not cad'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'You said you were.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'again...ignorance'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'idiots'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'No, Emik, having a memory that lasts more than 2 lines.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'Oh noes!  Now you attacked all of us!'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'incomplete sentence mori'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Complete in context.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'However, lacking a memory of more than 2 lines of debate, you miss the context.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'IE: what you said that I responded to.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'I went ahead and included you on that post, Emik, just for fairness sake'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'oooo...'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'pringle posted a note re imms'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'And now for proper prudence, I'll end it right here. *ignore emik*'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'thank god'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'isn't my first dance'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'May be your last.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'may be'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Weren't you going to bed?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'I hope you daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaance'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'wow is waiting if do'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'I was channeling my inner country singer.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Emik: what server?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'great song siz'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'and i hate country'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'and i hate country'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'lash won't push me out'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'hate to break that to y a'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon pats Emik on his head.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Why do you think that?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: '....better yet...why wldn't i thin that'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon nods at Six Six Six.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Emik grins evilly.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'expected nothing lesss'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'who are you...who who ....who who...'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'who the fuck are you!
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I am death, destroyer of worlds.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'cocaine, its a hell of a drug.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'why aren't you talking in caps then mori?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'a je'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'a hell of a drug'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Majic: Because I'm not Pratchett's.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sniff'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'and there ya go'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'no connection to modern peeps'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'don't worry...jesus will save ya'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'Jesus was a great hockey player, he always saved.  But he finally quit because he was getting nailed to the boards to much.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'lol'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Jesus saves. The rest of you take 5d6 damage.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'Jesus saves, he shoots, he scooooooooooores!'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'lotta noise eh'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Jesus saves, passes to Gretzky, Gretzky scores!'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'lotta noise eh'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Jesus saves ... at compound interest?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'lotta noise eh'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'nah, I still hold a grudge against Orcwarrior for something he did ten years ago'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'mis'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'Jesus saves.....after every level of super mario brothers.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'lotta noise eh'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Emik: keep doing that, I want you to hit the autonochan.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'lol'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'hit me'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon pats Emik on his head.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'diff...i give a shit'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'yes, because we are on an internet game, and can clearly punch you.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'punch away'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Emik is probably punching his clown right now.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Whoever figures out how to make you capable of punching people via the internet will reap grillions.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'Boy, you are gonna be pissed when you sober up and you have a 2nd character nuked.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'damn ...you peeps worse than WOW'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'And you're on the level of the slums of barrens chat and trade.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'there's a wow player'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'nah barren chat was amusing at times'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'he's just plain annoying'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'I loved barrens chat!'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Launch: the height of Barrens chat humor was Chuck Norris.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Barrens chat was great.  Good times.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'don't doubt that'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'K E K'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'pusses'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'wait my bad, caps wouldn't do it'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Undead was the best Horde race.  You could switch to Gutterspeak and yell funny things to the Alliance.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'k e k'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Man, too bad asshats meant no common for undead.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Otherwise, I'd just yell 'D c D' to them.  It would show up as 'L o L'.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'k e k was lol'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Usually right after PK'ing one of them.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'I had this macro that spammed "Y OU L OS E!" to allies'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'D c D would also translate to L o L.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'was fun to spam in BG's <3'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Most people didn't understand how the translation engine worked.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Once they changed langs from mere transposition to 'a set of words for each word length'.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'I did, I just loaded 2 accounts, and sat there and figured it out'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I.e. you couldn't just yell 'Y o u  lo se'.  You had to switch to Gutterspeak and yell 'D a p Ee bb''
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'ohh I didn't either, friend of mine figured it out and gave me'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: '*flex*'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'morons'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'STarling, did you ever look at the lore addon?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Nah'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'The first lang addon.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Used the native language engine to build more.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Also pulled existing langs that no PCs could speak.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'My character was an undead warlock named Vilius.  It was fun to yell 'You love Vil' right after killing someone :P'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'I was the normal'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'kill and teabag'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'or if it was a duel, kill and then mosh, so when they bow down to you, you would pelvic thrust into their face'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'I know, old news, but it was still fun.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'old news eh?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Patch 3.0 ruined the game.  That's when I quit.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'worst part about WoW - Had full t2, EXPANSION!, Had full t5..... EXPANSION! Full Heroic Collusium gear, annouce EXPANSION!'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'Wow turned into everquest'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'quit?...and yet....here you are'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'ran great on 2 expansions, and then they drop 6 in a year, and oops, there it goes'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'After having to disenchant 3 full epic sets which each took me 3 months to get '
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'I just stopped'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'step off bitch'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'How so, Starling?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'moment they announced cataclysm was the moment I never logged in again'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Emik: I'd suggest you log off until you sober up.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I didn't give a shit about replacing gear.  What pissed me off was the change to divine protection.  Full immunity got changed to shitty-ass half damage.  I played the 29 twink bracket as a paladin healer, and that change destroyed my character.  I had to quit, no way I was sticking around after such an insult.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Actually, Cata is pretty good.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'suggest all you want'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'lemme know how that goes'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'Bubble boys were lame.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'They were by far overpowered, they had to drop that shit.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I had one of the most geared 29 paladins in the whole damn battlegroup.  I even had a Naxx shoulder enchant.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'I don't care if i t's good or not Morinon, the fact I had full end gear shit and it's turned worthless AGAIN is just too demoralizing'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon shrugs in response to A Nuclear Launch's question.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I had the Naxx enchant that gave +heal and mp5.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'They made vanilla content fun again.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'I ran a 29 hunter twink, and bubble boys were the only thing that gave me a problem, they didnt kill me, but gave me a problem'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'dude...starling...i been gone about 3 yrs...you got nothing on me nor anyone else'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If paladins gave you a problem, Six, you didn't know how to play your hunter.  Aimed shot ftw.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'rofl you did the old, you can be dead but in naxx and a raid group and get rep for it  thingie ?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'run your mouth all you want'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'indeed'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'you can also do that for furgbol guys xD '
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'Not saying problem like that starling'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'And their weapon didn't have a lvl requirement at first :p'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'indeed'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'im saying they were the only thing i couldn't burn thru, due to bubbles.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'I had a lvl 19 twink wielding a 55 greenie sword'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'suck his face six'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The only thing that fucked my paladin hard was mana burn spam.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'bow dow'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'bow down'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'I enjoyed running 19 twinks more than 29, and loved running 39 over all'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Sigh, I miss my 29 paladin :(  2k hp, 44% armor, 326 +heal :('
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'I miss my 39 war and shammy'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'both PoD and nasty fun'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'just cause i just got here...under this name...dont' think yoju something specialk'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'ask around'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'you're a joke'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Your last name got nuked, Emik.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'I love how people arent even paying him attention no more.  Poor guy lol'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'severaL years now'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'aww hell, mis, but whatever its here.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'no...i didn't get nuked'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Well, that seems to be where you're aiming for.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'again...never ask anything'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'suren...never ask anything'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Ah well.  WoW is the reason I'll never play another commercial MMO.  You get into a groove and the numbnuts developers pull the rug out from under you and change fundamental mechanics at the drop of a hat.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'no disagreeing with that start'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'Starling did you ever play everquest?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'ye and the fact that little kids will start screaming that they want epics too so you get welfare loot'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Nah, Six, never played EQ'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'which basicly makes the game too easy'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'I quit EQ for 1 reason'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'I remember in vanilla, you had to be GOOD to have epics'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Looked at GW2 yet?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'you had to do all these trials etc, to get into certain plains.  Meaning you had to work your ass off in raiding, to get into those places'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'man I remember my Rok'delhar getting all the looks in orgrimmar, with 50 clueless noobs spamming you "how do you get purple items!?!?"'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'got emails older than...'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I miss vanilla WoW.  I played a hunter then.  That was when Feign Death would work on Booty Bay guards ;)'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I made many a gnome cry.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'then they release an expansion, and its like oh hey, you all can just enter into it now, without doing jack or shit.  So all of us that actually spent the time to do it, got no compensation or anything, just basically screwed out of all that time'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'waiting...'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'nod six'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'let them learn...then teach us'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'I remember our first Vealstraz kill'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'People going crazy on vent'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'good old times'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'I remember my first time see'ing Mith marr, and i was like omg its freeking huge.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'kik''
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I didn't do much raiding.  I ran MC a couple of times, but it wasn't anything to write home about.  World pvp was much more fun.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'Or my personal favorite'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'I loved Onyxia fight too in vanilla as hunter, just auto shoot and go watch a movie :p'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'ZG was more fun than MC.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I will say, I miss when world PvP was fun.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'camping on the Plane of hate to get my ranger drop for my 2nd epic weapon.  Which was like a .-00000234 percent drop.  Spent 5 weeks straight there every day for 12 hours, trying to get it'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Getting the Arena Grand Master on my 29 paladin was a trip'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'Getting arena grand master weapons on my rogue at 60 first on my server was a trip'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'everyone wanted to duel you then'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'doing 400 damage SS on a lvl 19 rogue was fun :p'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I had to solo it for the most part, which meant parking my twink's ghost in the arena, and using my 70 warlock to clear the would-be takers.  Then switching chars and hoping to god the runners didn't get back in time.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'could 1 shot almost anything in BG'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'not true launch'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I don't really like games with tinsy-chance random drops.  But Blizzard makes bank on WoW and did well with Diablo, so maybe they're on to something...'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'God damn, WHY did the have to ruin divine protection? :(  AGM + herbalism heal + bubble would have been ungodly.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'my 19 rogue broke 100% dodge, and had 1435 hp'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '19 rogues were pretty insane.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'I didn't mind divine protection, since i was playing main priest BC/wtl'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'puss'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'misd'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'mass dispell and the paladin was my bitch xD'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I liked the 29 bracket better though.  AB was my favorite battleground.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'minus the big bubble you couldn't dispel'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'mass dispell could dispell bubble'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'the little bubble'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'not the big one'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'big one too'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Although, WSG could be fun.  Bubble into flag room, take flag when bubble wears off, blessing of freedom + speed pot and run the hell out of there.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I used to sit on D on my lock.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'no comment'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'at 19, i would run and grab flag, pop sprint and evasion, break over 100% dodge, keep trinket ready for anyting to slow me down'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Healing was more fun than dps, anyway'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'And watch poor flag runners die from dots before they left the rooms.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'and gone, i would guarantee the last flag everytime'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Killing the bad guys is one thing.  Completely negating their efforts while teammates beat them down is another.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon nods at Star Fish.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'When their whole team is beating on you at once, you know you pissed some folks off.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'healing while not going over more then 10% over healing'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'now that requires skillz'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'like you'd know abou'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'I used to play with a warlock at 39, and maaaaaaaaaaaan.  That guy had some skills'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'craaaaaaaaaap gear, but was godly'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'ohh is that a donkey I hear shitting *ignores emik*'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'starling...you been sniffing up things since i left'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'There were some tricked out 29 warlocks that I ran into.  Hard to keep people alive against those guys.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling sings to Emik, "Shut your fucking face uncle-fucka! You're a boner biting bastard uncle-fucka!"
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: '...and thaT'S why no one respects ya'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'there ya go'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'my favorite was 39 tho.  PoD on shaman or warrior was so much damage'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Emik grins evilly.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'so much burst damage at that.  WF for close to 3k damage, that dropped just about everyone, minus warrors'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I got perma-banned from the Blizz forums ;)'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'that means sooo much to us starling'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'and on warriors, berserk, and ww hs heroic and things died'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'hunter was fun in pvp if you knew how to play it'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'just kite everything'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'and win'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'not the first time you been banned eh?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'but you had to kite smart'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I miss chain trapping.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'i met so many hunters that couldn't kite long enough'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'would run out of mana, or get sloppy and cut a short corner'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'it's all about knowing what to do when they do close in'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I took down some T2 warrior by cheesing him with freeze traps once.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'you miss an easy kill'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'puss'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'how to get away again'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'thing about it is launch'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'if a good rogue catches you once, or warrior, you cant get away again'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'yes you can'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'wing clip run trew them drop trap'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'cheetah'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'your gone'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'a good rogue wont let you do it tho'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Unless they get spamstring on you'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'you will be locked'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'trust me running trew them is the least they expect'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'they expect you to turn and run from them'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'not go right trew them'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'If you're stunlocked, ain't shit you can do.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'oh i want you to run at me'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'was orc :) 35% stun resist :0 '
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'thats where my dodge is the fullest'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'I won't run at you if your not at me yet'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Stunlock relies on victim ignorance more than anything else'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'just when you hit melee range, i'll suddenly run to you'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'wing clip'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'drop trap'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'and then aspect away'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'and have you chase me all over again :) '
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'see thats fine and dandy'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'but a good warrior gores a kiting hunter every time'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'because you cant get away enough'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'then you never seen a good hunter'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'morons'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: '1 on 1, a hunter can beat anything'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'not true'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Launch: Because there's no such animal?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'lol'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'by sure not true'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's fun to catch your enemies dueling while pvp flagged.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'morons'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'ever seen a lvl 60 hunter kite and kill first boss of BWL ?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'I would gladly take on someones main hunter, vs my main lock'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'if you havn't then you havn't seen a good hunter yet either. '
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'and watch you last a total of 30 seconds if that'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I heard Cataclysm further screwed warlocks though.  More reason not to sign back up.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'not really'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'there ya go....no friends to catch ya?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Something about felhunter not being able to dispel harmful effects off of you'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'they actually boosted their dps starling'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: '*sigh*'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'just took away felhunters ability nods, but i never used fel hunter so wasn't worried about it'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I always used felhunter.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Devour magic self was macro'd'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Very lethal vs paladins'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'nods, i was voidwalker'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Devour HoJ, trinket repentance, laugh at them as they stand stupidly wondering what the hell to do next'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'vw or succy'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'bitches all'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Spell-lock their heal, or just drop unstable affliction on them and watch the paladin self-destruct'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'yeah....listen to starling'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'ohh btw, I just thought of something when someone said 'stun lock' , basicly all pvp hunters are BM which can go 20 seconds immune to all CC :) '
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: 'only thing she's/he's ever accomplished is '
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'thats also the reason why a hunter can beat anything 1 on 1'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'I was either SL/SL set up, or straight melt your face destruction.  either way, my pet didn't last longer than 5 seconds in battle'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Nah, Launch'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emik: ''trying'...to take over a clan'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'As long as I could drain-tank through bestial wrath, hunters were easy'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'nods, but if you are BM, you can't kite me as well, and then you are screwed'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The key is letting wrath run its course either by drain-tanking, or just running out of range'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'unlikely with a pet with 0.6 attack speed'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'rofl BM are best kiters '
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'improved aspect, immune to CC'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'stun for pet'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Eh, still not that hard'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'immune to cc for 20 seconds, with a hell of a cooldown'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'more damage on pet which is your primary dps when kiting'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'trust me'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'ye and +100% damage'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'not to forget rapid fire ontop of that'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'you can say you can take anything down, because thats what you were on the game and you are biast to it'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'in those 20 seconds i'll cew you up'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Siphon life on hunter and pet, Curse of shadows on both, drain-tank, pop a heal if needed'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'but they are not the best'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'chew*'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'BW was a pain in most cases, but not unbeatable'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'my lock would chew you up in 30 seconds or less'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Once wrath runs out, death coil and proceed to fear-lock them to death'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'Six, at lvl 70, with everything proced, I could do 3.4k dps for 20 seconds --''
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'thats more then anyone in my raiding guild ever got'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Full resilience gear helped'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'Yeah, and I did 16k soulburns'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'to full geared people'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Resilience gear + soul link spec'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'so by all means, last through it'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'and maybe, but you didn't have 16k hps to live'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'warlock where btw the only class I had to really work to kill '
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'and even if you did, have 2 insta's left to nail on you'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'but still, I doubt you could beat a BM hunter that knows his things 1 on 1'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'Hunters are just too well balanced in terms of that they can counter everything'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'minus a big ass soulfire/immolate/incinerate'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'if you survive that i give you props'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'soulfire takes ages to cast'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'with a 0.6 speed pet hacking away at you'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'mine was insta :)'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'ohhh ye 1 insta every 5 mins or so right ?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Admittedly, a lot of the time my strategy vs. BM hunters involved trying to dot them up before dying, and then popping soulstone once wrath wore off.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Properly spec'd locks are scary.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'I got 2 every 3.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's not perfect, but in the end, all that mattered is who got the corpse run ;)'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'true starling'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'I have to admit, that often I died from dots after killing a warlock'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'like I said, they where the only  class to give me pause'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'That upset a lot of people, dying to dots like that.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'i wasn't your natural lock either'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'i was so maxxed out in +fire +spell damage'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Sigh, I miss my warlock too :('
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'it was hard for anyone to last against me, every 3 minutes i got 2 insta soulfires'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Cruising around Nagrand ganking little shits was good times.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'and with trinket clicks, I could break 20k at times'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'I loved my "I win" macro'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'Cast BW , Cast rapid fire, proc trinket, proc beserker rage '
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'all in 1 macro ^^'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'Yep i hated when i saw that'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I miss using my owl, too.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'thats when I hit mine, sac voidwalker, click trinket, immolate, incinerate, insta soulfire'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I also miss that one barrel in Area 52.  The one you could stand on whilst killing people and the guards wouldn't notice you.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Alas it got changed.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I think I hated rogues most of all'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Them and their lame-ass cloak of shadow shit.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'oh did you see their new move?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'I cant think of the name'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Nope'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'but its like spinning blades or some shit?  insta cast, damage/stun, and has no cooldown timer'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'rofl theirs a area here named Kul tiras'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I know little of modern-day WoW.  After I heard about the felhunter getting ruined, I lost interest.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'rogues just go run in there, and spam it over and over and over'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Blizzard's developers are seriously some of the stupidest people I've heard of.  They make terrible decisions without reason.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six Six Six: 'and its aoe'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'blizard only cares about hte money they making'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Sounds like something Blizztard would come up with.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I think you're mixing developers with designers, Starling.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'they don't care about the game'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It took them forever to fix mages in pvp.  The only reason they got fixed is because Kalgan started playing one and found out first hand how bad things were.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Anyway, aren't Kalgan and Tigole ex-EQ troublemakers or something?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'If you want games where the devolper really wanted to appease his customer, play bioware'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'those guys make pure golden games worth their money'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Stability is why I like Aard over commercial games.  Very little has changed here in the past 10 years, gameplay-wise, and that's what I prefer.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'I agree with that, I came back after years of being gone, but I can get around just fine'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'You prefer a permanently broken PvP?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I couldn't give less of a shit about Aard pvp'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Can of Pringle: 'I couldn't either, but I would, if it were worth anything'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Suffice it to say I'll never partake in it'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Only thing I'd really like to see is pthief get un-dicked on a couple of things.  Eliminate backstab double jeopardy, change enhanced damage back to non-suck, and that's about it.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'But of course the PK twatwaffles will never allow that, but I can always hope.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And get rid of entrap and balor, they're holding the class back.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Being a little dickhead on debate :P'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'New rule:  If you are going to sing the Star Spangled Banner at the Superbowl, you must first learn the words to the Star Spangled Banner.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'rule 2: Sing the song as it was wrote, don't need to hear your own rendition. '
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The U.S. army is now testing out new silk underewar to help protect soldiers' junk from improvised bombs in Afghanistan.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Is it spidersilk?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'are there still spiders in it?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The article just says "heavy silk", whatever THAT is.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'silk is not an effective deterrant for the force of a bomb-induced crotch shot.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's there to provide additional protection. It's not gonna be their only protection.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'perhaps it's got some of that memory metal or similar stuff woven into it?  They've got those spandex-looking ski suits that stay spandex-y under normal use and movement, but any sudden traumatic force applied to it makes it harden like steel.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The article was all very vague.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Dokkar: you mean we have impact suits? Awesome.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'hehe, our junk is a state secret.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'it just talked how protection soldiers' junk was important because the crotch was pretty much just a huge bowl and that they're experimenting with "heavy silk".'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Seriously, it's basically a 3 page article where most of the article is some army bigwig/spokesperson speaking of the importance of protection military junk.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'well yeah that's important...otherwise our military wont be able to breed better genes'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'it must be 10 years since those canadian researchers added spider genes to goats so their milk contained spider silk type proteins?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'it is hardly unreasonable to assume that military research is getting to the point where industrial production is feasible'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'possibly using funny bacteria, they seem to be better than us at everything..'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they're using bacteria for cancer-cure research.  Something about how bacteria can co-opt virus DNA to prevent them from infecting everything.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Can we stop talking about spidery goat milk and go back to talking about soldier junk? Mmmmm... soldier junk...'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada rolls on the floor laughing at Summoner Yuna's antics!
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I can tell this is really important to you, Yuna.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I got to kiss a Swedish naval officer on the cheek at Gay Pride once. It was magical. I just waltzed up to him and said "You're really cute. Would you mind if I gave you a kiss on the cheek?" and he was all "Oh, alright.". Mmm... men in uniform.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(he wasn't a participant. He was there as a representative of the armed forces to help recruit new members. Yes, our armed forces have recruiters at Gay pride!)'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I will say, that's one area in which I think Sweden is ahead of the US.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'guys in uniform are really hot'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We got rid of the ban on openly serving gays 10 years ago. And nobody made a big deal out of it.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And, as I said earlier, our armed forces now send recruiters out to gay pride. I don't even think that officer was gay. He was just open-minded.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'I remember when a US general claimed gays serving in the dutch military was a direct cause of the Srebenica massacre. stay classy!'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That was last year.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): -|Cabal|- Hodor nods at Summoner Yuna.
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He also said openly serving gays would lead to more gay rape.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Ironically, in the past, the military has had large amounts of homoeroticism. In the US, they're largely in denial.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The funny thing is that the Dutch government and military gave that bigot a huge public smackdown through statements and television interviews.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He was internationally shamed by some clog-wearing tulip hippies!'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Always remember: A tulip is worth more than a house.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Well, they actually were once.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'that still is the craziest bubble I have heard off'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what's better than roses on your piano?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'tulips on your organ'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Yeah, it was a bizarre bubble.'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Wait... Tori Amos is still big? I'm looking through auctions t a celebrity charity auction site and an auction "Meet Tori Amos at [any of her 2011 shows]" is currently fetching the highest price that I've seen insofar ($3,250)'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sony's ToS actually says you can't lend games to friends?'
T3/r2/2011-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Mischan'
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortbus Stutz: 'Sour Cream....the universal condiment or not?'
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wyverex: 'I DISAGREE'
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'YOUR MOM'
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'NO U'
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wyverex: 'I DISAGREE AGAIN'
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Le do, lo  Shakia is mutters to himself, "trolololololololololololololo."
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I DISAGREE TIMES INFINITY'
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I DISAGREE TIMES ALEPH-ONE'
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'I'm right, you're wrong lalalalalalala'
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'I DISAGREE TIMES ALEPH-TWO'
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Aleph-one?  Really, that is pathetic.  I disagree times aleph-googolplex.'
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'ur face is pathetic!'
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Well, I disagree times Aleph-Recurseive.'
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Recursive, even.'
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'First, you have to understand recursion!'
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'HAHA U LOSE'
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Corliss: 'off'
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'In order to understand recursion, you must understand recursion.'
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'check help recursion :D'
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Le do, lo  Shakia corrupts Morinons stack.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'or for more lulz, google recursion :P'
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lazy Shark Morinon: 'Circular reasoning: see reasoning, circular.'
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'cackle'
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rau: 'I wrote my first recursive function in a long time today - that went up a tree using the parent element.. when it came time for the recursive function call, i forgot to call it on the parameter's parent and called it on the parameter instead. :S'
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'haha :D'
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I remember when ryoga subbed double to double penetration'
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'of course, I sent him a tell saying double double double double about 50 times'
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'he replayed, and it tried to recursively sub and completely crashed his computer :P'
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lazy Shark Morinon snickers with Dispel Majic about their shared secret.
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Le do, lo  Shakia: 'must be one iffy mud-client then'
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rau: 'Yeah, I only crashed IIS :p'
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I crashed zmud that way once.'
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it hung so hard he couldn't get task manager to come up apparently :P'
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Le do, lo  Shakia: 'who uses task manager?'
T3/r2/2011-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'shrug'
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Wait... I thought the British were pretty cool about gays on TV? Yet they censored the same-sex kiss in Katy Perry's "Firework" when it aired in the U.K.? Really?'
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'everyone bow right after i give the item! :P'
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '!'
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'We're going to Oradrin?'
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Venomangel: 'wtf'
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'get with the program guys! sheesh!'
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'bring'em up to pace Hodor!'
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'Actually I bungled around pretty bad last weekend :P Didn't remember half the stuff I thought I'd remember'
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'at least you made it back to aard alright :P'
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'you're saying there was actually a run last weekend?'
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'yeah, at noon mudtime. Took like 4 tries on the simulkill, after that it went fairly smoothly. I got my 3rd set of 271 gloves!'
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'hehe.. awesome.. i have like 69 of everything, except i only have 1 of the eye thing :P'
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Asterax: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6kGasHGXSy4'
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Asterax: 'This is awesome.'
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pica: 'charlie sheen?'
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'YES'
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'how did you know?'
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pica: 'can i party with ya?'
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'yea dude. any time'
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pica: 'my pimp'
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pica: 'just passed a how about you'
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pica: 'er show'
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ol' Dirty Fiendish blinks innocently.
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pica: 'innoc my ass'
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pica: '*grin*'
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pica: ''not guilty' maybe'
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I didn't do it!'
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pica: 'lol'
T3/r2/2011-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pica: 'all good...i did'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i do still have a very solid suspicion that muhammed is one of roman emeror septimus's children (the survivor) who collected / hired his slaves to write the islam story'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what's your opinions?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Le do, lo  Shakia: 'OH NO! Look out! There's a red dot on your chest!'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'compare for instance the mass-grave in britain (where this emperor ruled from) and its collectino of corpses, how the 30's bodies and heads were detatched and strewn about in various ways'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I suspect that Egypt will soon have a new government'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't care too much , everybody feels free to discuss christianity without fear of being shot, (except maybe a candidate for pope)'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'will it be the muslim brotherhood?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or people '
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'hi cult of mind, dictate my thoughts for me'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'ill go with sharia'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or hey, lets think about this, what is real'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's fine with me, i think this whole sharia shit sounds like the religion of the beast'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'my guess is still on a random mix of the current gang+military+mb+random smaller opposition groups with ElBaradei temp. president'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you got a 7 headed son of satan somewhere over there?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'either way.. i see war coming over the canal'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'big deal'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'yea, really big deal'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'better to die for something real than to live your life for a fool master'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Orogan: 'is someones bot failing?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'possibly..it would increase oil prices a bit'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'considering majority of goods are transported through there. yea.. big problems coming'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also what, 5-10% of other imports to EU go via the suez canal?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'i bet its higher then that honestly.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quado shrugs helplessly.
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'people in the middle east killed themselves for stupid priests since 5000 years ago and longer'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'pick your god well, oh if i pick a different one i will be shot and flayed publicly and rights are not existant in this holy city'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what kind of life is that?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the 7 heads are 7 kings'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'i don't think its a mass populous problem.. just a small sect creating the spin which blinds the people..'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'where's little horn at'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'progress of islam, refer to saudi arabia'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'we have a national version, and we have the evil bastard other interpretations'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'And take a look at turkey.... '
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'not only at the bad stuff'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'mhm.. iran a few months back shows the majority of the populous is not the problem.. its your nut bag leaders'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'aljazeera news article on christian's being murdered/raped and other violations of human rights like that, with their burnt churches in Islam majority indoneisa'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the government says 'to prosecute this holy calling of allah would be a violation of freedom''
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'aljazeera is pure propoganda.. lol'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so it might be, but the news plays what it posts a day after'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and i notice alot of missing stories'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'wouldn't they want the pure propaganda played all over if it was pure propaganda?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'they do.. but you do not show the same thing to all masses or else propaganda will not work.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'have to be able to 'blame' somebody ;)'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'don't you think the inspiration for a hollywood movie on russian arms smuggling would be a big story on american news?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'did you hear much about the guy detained in thailand, and bartered with the american government for transfer, for a hostage swap?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'no, i think the ispiration is money.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'he flew guns and weapons from south africa, to south america, to the middle east, to america too'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'finding 11 spies from russia last year was not even a big story in america.. so a movie sure won't :P'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i wonder how much heroine is currently floating from asia to a port near you'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i guess we'll never know, but it'll sure make somebody dizzy'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'people're fucked up, what they seem to believe, what they do, what they don't do, what they fight over is absurd'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you want to fight for freedom as somebody elses slave?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'fight for your master and give him more you's to make you more expendable in the future?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'Truth is what people lack.. nothing more.. nothing less.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'truth has no agenda, all these 'others' do.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'did you know the UN actually hired a man from Malaysia (wow, another Islamic nation), to be their designated Alien Speaker, I read this on some actual space-program webpage'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what the hell?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'It came from hawkings on CNN, this man has a legitimate position here as our alien whisperer'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'i could careless about the UN.. that's just more garbage beuracracy'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'hawkings is more fluff then fact'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'well, it gives people a free ride, what do you get in life? '
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'where's your free ride come from?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'yeah, the UN does no good whatsoever. All that unicef stuff just sucks.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'i dont have a free ride necro, i worked for everything i have obtained.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'i PAY for others free rides.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so it does a little good, and it just has to balance it with a whole bunch of evil'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'cause the wheat comes with alot of chaff'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what's this some natural law belief, littel supersitious, maybe'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what about what i heard on this video on Cambodia and Pol Pot, how the assistance and protection the UN promised some people wasn't there at all when those people required it'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and it didn't hit the news at all in most places'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'because the UN does not care about peace, like all other gov't bodies, they care about power and how to increase it.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'well, that's my opinion on how Islam came to be'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if you notice no existing religion of Dagon or Bel in their original forms exist'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how is it that Islam  mentions christianity among others within its pages?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's a fairly new religion isn't it?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and who's the man who lived 2000 years and observed muhammeds existance (mentioned in a play called Dr.Faustus from germany in the 15th century)'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'No, Islam,Christianity, Jew are all from the same religios father'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the bible mentions the verse, Satan can appear as an angel of light - interesting setting for the faust character'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'Islam mentions Moses more then any other name in its scripture ;)'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'are you sure it was 500 AD (using the death of christ as the birth of your calendary reference to his existance, point 0)'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'why couldn't it have been closer to 300 AD, when Severitus's children would exist?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they had connections all over the middle east and africa, even from libya'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'according to the historians'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's what i mean about freedom, you don't dare to even question things that are easily made false with consideration'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if those doubts are never addressed for reality, then nobody can save you from self-deception'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't disagree that people should be able to believe in God or Intelligent designer of reality named x, but i do disagree that that should impact how they treat another person for the words on a page'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gm9q8uabTs&feature=related'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'like a fearful christian, 350 lb linebacker getting pushed around by a little weasel asshole fuckface, say 250  lbs of asshole , not wanting to lash out at abuse cause of how much god or the priests version of god would punish him, or even using atheist thinking his social status'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'not having it preached to him to do unto others as you would have others do unto you'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'hey, if i was you and you were me, what would i like to have happen?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'justification for a paddling enabled'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'some religions don't even include verses like that in their page, or they're so well hidden that only a few can see them, justifying their own crimes'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'for instance, the verse of the apostles (Perform exploits) means manipulate (does it say for better or worse?) , for i have come not to bring peace, but a sword'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i guess that's a question answered by the person with it in mind'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'say your youngest memories are of me chanting a mantra to you, and teaching you to chant the mantra with me, and making sure that only we know the mantra we chant'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you think that person will ever be free from what he's taught, or was his parent?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they still give people a private name and a public name in egyptian royal families'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'because the old egyptian belief is that with your name they have control over your soul'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that predates all of these religions, how did that old practice get reintegrated , or was it ever abandoned?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'illimuniati they joke about'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'wouldn't it be funny if it wasn't a joke at all'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'yes'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and you say 'they're all given by the same God', in the tower of babel?  if you haven't noticed all those books in the Old Testament (not new) all have some conflict in them with neighbouring lands, vengeance and all that stuff -- now both sides were given victory by the god, and who's this god that sets his followers against eachother, both sides being evil, does he weigh the majority evil in a scale and say victory is yours?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how convenient, here we sympathize with followers of deity x or take only prisoners that are fuckable or put to use as carthorses'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'the story of babel was to show individuality of man and how we differ, was also to show how god does not believe in a centralized power of man-kind and that man should in some layers be different and unique'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'see it says here how we was meant to uproot thee'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'wow, i'm so enlightened by your mantra'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'thank you for showing me how ugly my face and hair is'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i will remove all of my braincells at once and never learn a thing'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'never said anything like that.. perhaps you should chillax and not assume?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i put on one of my many personalities for exemplification of how i see things'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'i would put that one back in the box, it doesn't bold anything of good light'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'shining light on evil reality, yes that's always a revolting snake'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'hmm, lets see this, it's just not very right at all, hmm, '
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'hey , i rule your existance, says the emperor, now i shall slay among you any with a non-mouldable mind and build you into my eternal empire, muhahahahahaha'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lets see, what do i want the truth to be for long lasting sustainability of my sloth children?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'now we say the mantra with the new father now'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'does it seem absurd?  observe it to be real , and observe the possibility multiply itself with further research'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'two possibly fictitious historical figures , several more?  what was in your head prophet?  was it the spirit of evil?  '
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '(Reuters) - The United States has struggled to find its footing during the Egyptian crisis'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'remove the last bit and you've got the WH reactions to any real news during the past two years :)'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, better inept than actively... unwise.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the odd thing is that it's a pattern. News happen. WH does nothing for about 2 weeks, almost as if they have zero policies in place must have a committee work it out every time'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'This egypt thing is a pretty awkward situation for the WH. The current egypt government is an ally of both the US directly, and of Israel. This clashes with the "bring democracy to the world" rhetoric.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'probably way too scared of looking like bush for his own good'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'Been saying it before BO was elected.. nice guy.. completely lacking experience (policies) to govern'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'maybe ("maybe") clinton would've been stronger'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'Clinton would of probably been the same, but she would have a better slide of hand... Clinton is in the same line as Pelosi imo... you never truely know what she wants.. but you know its not good.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'her husband's administration had decent results though'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'relatively speaking, anyway'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it would seem this is an era of low expectations, after all'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'he received good results after the midterm in 94''
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Pelosi is..slightly..to the left of both Clintons, or so it seems to me.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it's not like you can do anything that gives results in two years...'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Coup de Calamar: 'Pelosi is SLIGHTLY left? Just slightly? Wow...'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'first 2 years of clinton were like the first to of obama.. very liberal, very leftist.. mid-terms came and repub sweeped and made clinton move to the center... after that.. very successful terms'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'the US is pretty messed up policy wise, and the political situation is a huge clusterfuck.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'he could have reformed the financial system in two years'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I mean..I could write the core of the legislation in a month'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '..and no bank would ever give campaign money to me again :)'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'Obama has screwed all sorts of shit up + geithner and bernanke'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the republicans were willing to compromise and work with clinton a bit though... I wonder if it'll be the same this time'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they aren't making very friendly noises, after all...'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'republicans were willing to work with clinton because the media was trying to blame them for shutting down the gov't.  Clinton did not want to work with them up until then and all that mess'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'he was all about hilary care'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'The only thing Obama really screwed up is not taking the high roads on the Guantanamo/"Enemy Combatant"/"State Secrets" debacle, at least in my opinion.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'wonder if obama can pin the republicans down like that. If he can't, and the republicans refuse to work, there might be trouble ahead'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'but during the past two years, democrats under Pelosi haven't seemed very cooperative, and this "reaching out to the other side" stuff, was something Obama talked about i 2008, then ignored until after the election last year :)'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'so the 800 billion dollar kick-back to the unions and gov't sectors was not a bad thing hodor?  Because that is not what we were told..'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the republicans didn't want to work with him either...'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'the senate screwed Obama hard. All the blue dogs should feel ashamed of the shit they pulled (most are already out, all their grandstanding only made them look bad)'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'Perhaps they stopped working when he never wanted their opinion?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'under the circumstanes, I'd have liked to see him ram through policies and take the consequences on the chin at the elections'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what's the point of a solid mandate, if you don't use it'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'He is.. and that is why you will not see him as a 2 term president.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'what was the republican's opnion.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'we'll help you if you do our stuff?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, he's moved far enough right that he's vulnerable to a challenge from the left'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'all you pessimists (optimists?) seem to forget that 80% of media still love Obama and he is the 2nd best campaigner in the US'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no matter where he stands now, he'll find it tough'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly.
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'Kraken, perhaps you should go look at the Bill the republicans offered during the HC debate. But if you only watch the media, you would of been told the repubs do nothing ;)'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'link plx?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'sure.. gimme a few to go pull it up'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'the Republican field is weak, and their rhetoric over the last four years will bite them, and Obama is a good campaigner. Don't write him off yet. But it mostly depends on the economy. Unemployment under 8% would get him elected surely, 9% gives him a good chance, 10% will doom him'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmm... the media I read seems rather disapproving of him. Of course, it isn't a representative sample'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'Policies win presidencies.. not "likeness" of individual.. america fell the first time.. they wont next time ;)'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'what media do you read?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'oh yeah, W. Bush got elected on his policies twice'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'but both healthcare and finance reforms were fundamentally flawed from my pov. Health care essentially tries more of the same system that doesn't quite work, and the only real finance reform you are getting is Basel III.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'reuters, bbc, cna, etc'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3400/text'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'HR 3400  - empowering the patients first.. this was the repubs version of HC when people said they were not doing anything'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also, u6 unemployment stayed over 16% throughout 2010'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'I realize U6 is important economically, but it doesn't get reported in the media and thus doesn't matter'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'Cap and Trade was defeated, yet obama used executive order to have the EPA regulate what Cap & Trade was all about.. sounds like power abuse to me.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even if he had any good ideas, it would get watered down and corrupted by the time it gets through congress'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'quado - by executive order, you mean "supreme court decision"?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'No, executive order of the pres.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'mass vs epa?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'u6 is not part of what is generally reported, but for the economy it is more important than u3, that isn't really open to debate'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'not sure what you mean by mass vs epa?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'massachusetts vs epa. it's a supreme court case'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_vs._environmental_protection_agency'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'That sounds like a platform that probably launched the Cap and Trade bill'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'given the large numbers of congressmen who reject prevailing economic wisdom (with a good track record in other countries) in favour of crackpot theories with poor track records, I'm not optimistic about the economy's medium term prospects.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'tha's a supreme court decision. therefore the governement had to follow it'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'Ill have to read what this case was about, but it differs then what Cap and Trade was'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'yes. but it says the EPA has to regulate greenhouse gasses'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'basically.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'oh,and is there a "human" readable version of the republican healthcare thing? i don't speak lawyer'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the case of the baltic economies is particularly amusing, in a black-humour sort of way...'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'Cap and Trade deals more with Industry productions using tax credits.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I understand it's called "carbon pollution" now'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada goes, "Whee!"
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'Section 202(a)(1) of the Clean Air Act (CAA), 42 U.S.C. ' 7521(a)(1), requires the EPA to set emission standards for "any air pollutant" from motor vehicles or motor vehicle engines "which in his judgment cause[s], or contribute[s] to, air pollution which may reasonably be anticipated to endanger public health or welfare."'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'this just sounds like an Auto related case'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it's a component of atmospheric pollution...'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'and laws are not blankets.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'go to the conclusion.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'do you have a first source.. i don't put much faith in wikipeida'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'assuming you are a believer, co2 might be interpreted as falling under that section'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'you could read the supreme court decision. '
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'there's a link at the bottom'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'i am reading the arguments now and i already see flaws.. lol'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'perhaps so, but the supreme court said this is the law.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'therefore, obama implementing it isn't anything nefarious'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'arguments based off of 'alleged causation of global warming transforms the gas into a pollutant''
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'considering GW just got de-bunked not long ago'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'Really? Where?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): -|Cabal|- Hodor grabs some popcorn and sits back to watch the show.
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'did it now?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'agw, perhaps'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'not at all.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'given the absorption frequencies of carbon dioxide, there's no question that it does reduce heat radiation from the earth, by an amount which should be easy for physicists to estimate...'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'didn't you see the 20+ studies about climategate'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'if tampering of information isn't enough then yes.. prove me wrong.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'saying "there's nothing to disprove it here"'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'all else being equal, and all that, etc.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'but also tie in how every planet in the solar system also increased with equal heat over the same time period..'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'independent reviews were done and determined that there was no tampering'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'which would show a Solar warming.. not global'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'source?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Quado: provide sources for that comment, because the very significant majority (99%) of all climate scientists agree that global warming is real'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'ill have to dig my resources up when i get home.. im at work now but ill see if i can locate a few real quick.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if a rock falls on you and kills you, it doesn't matter if someone threw it'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'Fiendish, nothing against the scientist.. but their data only goes back truely to the 1970s.  back then it was global cooling, where exactly are they getting their data which is so rock solid?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'No matter what you think about the source, we still need to do something about it...'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'GPS and other high-tech measuring devices just came around the past 20 or 30 years... there is NOT enough history of information to make such outragious conclusions'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we can estimate with good reliability the amount of CO2 we emit'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the direct radiative forcing effect of doubled co2 is estimated at what, +1c?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'the difference in CO2 levels are so minute over the time frame.. remember they are talking about Parts Per Million.  If life was that anemic and frail over such small changes, life would of never existed to begin with'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'IPCC estimates of temp. increase rely on significant positive cloud feedback effects, which afaik, haven't been proven and require more detailed models than those used by any IPCC studies.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's no question that this steadily increases the amount of greenhouse gases beyond the equilibrium level that would exist without human emissions'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the problem is that these "small" emissions build up. Humanity isn't a business we're going to run for the next 200 years before closing shop'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the only studies I've seen seem to indicate neutral or negative cloud feedbacks, there is also the effect of increased vegetation (green thingies being generally co2-starved at the moment, which is why large greenhouses use 2-4x atmospheric co2)'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even without positive feedback, it's only a matter of time. Anyway, even if there's a 10% chance of disaster, I'm not inclined to play dice with humanity's fate on the line'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'i think i read that IPCC Tinada, as that the one talking about the clouds and reflectiveness?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Quado: do you know how many parts per billion the safe standard for arsenic in drinking water is?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'but we are doing that all the time :) from the Manhattan Project to the LHC'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: '10. 10 parts per billion.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we have many humans... but for the moment, only one planetary population'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'No, but that has nothing to do with what we are talking about :)'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'all the large ipcc reports discuss the feedback effects, I think'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'because YOU don't understand the significant long term impact of small percentages of something doesn't make it not real'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, we can't turn the clock back on manhattan... and LHC was no real danger'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '..since most of the estimated temperature change is in the feedback effects, they can hardly avoid talking about it'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'Really? I understand very well. I understand everytime i hear "chicken little", i hear the same reasoning and logic, and guess what.. nothing overall in general has changed.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'you're like "LOL scientsists. What do THEY know!"'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'we'll know in what, 100 years? whether the LHC created a black hole or something else nasty'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'remember. chicken little had *no* evidence. there is actually evidence here.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: '"I, someone who hasn't spent ANY time actually doing real reseach, I'm going to say they're wrong. You know, cuz I don't understand it."'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'I can remember scientist saying "no snow in alps by 2020", "no more snow will ever fall".. perhaps people have not seen how much snow has been falling.. so?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'do you know what it means to have the entirety of the scientific community on the other side?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'the ENTIRETY?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'An anecdote does not prevent you against scientific evidence.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'Sure, and i also understand a scientist gets money from whom?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'with what ultimate motives?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: '"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his job depends on not understanding it."'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'luckily, my country isn't taking any chances... They've been raising the roads by a metre and are studying the dutch in order to be able to wall off the sea.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'Well, the skeptics get money from the oil companies'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'And I remember when scientists were like "lol matter is made of air,fire,earth,water". And then we got better models based on evidence and proper statistics.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'and the better models showed things about the world'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'That much is pretty much established. The others... they get money from governments. And i'm sure all the governments in the world really want to hear about how bad they are fucking up.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'so you're saying "I don't bleieve science ever, because you know a thousand years ago people were like LOL FLAT EARTH"'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'which is reeeeeeally relevant to today'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'Never stated fiendish, you seem to be jumping to assumption.s'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'science is a model of the world. If the facts contradict the science, the science will be changed.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'so far, the facts have not contradicted the model'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'never did i state i mistrust science 100%, that would be idiotic.  I just have enough sense to look into things on my own.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'and find things 99% of scientists are missing?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'you're all like "lolx planets got hotter by the same amount". You know what? I bet you you're wrong. '
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'except the ones with a vested interest in missing it'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'what vested interest?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'mostly, one of 2 things.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'being paid by people who want to get fossil fuels more and more'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'If you do not know if i am right or wrong, you therefore can not state you are right or wrong.  "all them goes over there say different", so like your "world is flat" logic... you believe what you hear?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'or not wanting the governement to do anything'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'well that is the extremely tiny, extremely vocal opposition.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's pretty easy to pay off 1% to make claims that all is well...'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'The vast majority of climate scientists agree that humans are changing the climate of the earth'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'to be honest, most of the rest of the objectors don't understand science. most of the supporters don't either.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'Yea, i also read scientist blame cow gas for global warming.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and easy to believe that 1% when it's in your interest to do so...'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I think that can be restated as 'most people don't understand science' - which is certainly true.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'jhav - yes, that's my point.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'global warming debate is like the evolution debate.. at what level is where the debate is.. not the fundamental meaning of the word.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'quado - the evolution "debate" isn't a debate.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'there is no debate about evolution'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'And they'd be true quado, because our current farming practices are a large contribution'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'methane is ca 100x as bad as CO2 per molecule'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'b/c you 2 know the difference.. many people dont. That is what i was expressing'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'nobody with an iota of a shred of a clue debates evolution'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'i still run into people that here evolution and get on the 'spiritial' debate.. ugh'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'evolution isn't spiritual.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Quado: it seems that you're very focused on "right now I'm feelin fiiiiine.". Read about the tragedy of the commons.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'it simply is.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the global warming case ought to be pretty open and shut. No one seriously suggests that human emissions increase the levels of CO2 and other "greenhouse" pollutants over time, and no one seriously suggests that they don't "trap" heat.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'I think (hope) you missed a don't there :P'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'i actually been doing alot of reading on weimar republic lately.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oops'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'and this is relevant how?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'okay, well, proofreading's not so good'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the global warming case ought to be pretty open and shut. No one seriously suggests that human emissions don't increase the levels of CO2 and other "greenhouse" pollutants over time, and no one seriously suggests that they don't "trap" heat.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'read about what happened to Easter Island'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ah, there'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sigh'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'The problem is that a few decades of politicians, pundits, lobby groups, bought-off scientists and comedians have made global warming into a clusterfuck. When politicians goes "Today was cold, so all climate change ever is nonsense," common sense is out the window'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the problem is though, funding pretty much only exists for people looking for a certain class of connection'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: '?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and reaching non-agw conclusions is likely to wreck your career'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'if the evidence supports it then it won't'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'exactly tinada.. exactly'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the thing about the tragedy of the commons is, even if there was an authority that tries to prevent it, there'd be those who will lobby it to grab "unearned" profits (rent-seeking).'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'it does when the man giving you funding has an agenda ;P'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'Most climate research is funded by governments worldwide. Most goverments also oppose regulating GC because they feel it hurts their economy. Why would they keep up funding all the studies that makes them look bad?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'you need to read more Kuhn and less Popper, Kraken :)'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'pretty unfortunate'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'govenerments want global warming?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'yes, for regulations'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'why do they want regulations?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'power..'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, the form that lobbying takes is often of the form - "what tragedy of the commons?"'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'If it's all a giant conspiracy, why not fund people who can bring the truth?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'this is not hard to figure out.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'arguably, most governments on this planet want a belief in agw, since they will profit from it, that isn't really debatable either'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'governements do not profit from anything.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'yes, they do'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'what would the governement use it's "profit" to do?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'Governments don't create wealth.. they create power for themselves.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'such as, transfers from other governments - you do realize the majority vote in the UN resides with midget nations?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'What profit? All actions against it cost money.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '..no disrespect to midgets, obviously..'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'and the 5 permanent security council members have a veto over everything important'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'curiously not'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a government that acts on global warming will take losses from it... one reason why they'd rather stick their collective heads in the sand'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'sure will.. that is why spain is in the shitter'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'did that whole green jobs thing.. destroyed themselves'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'So the rich countries of the world all conspire with the scientists in order to influence the UN into voting in certain ways?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'acting on it is pretty expensive after all. I wonder how much it will cost my country to build a wall around our city?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'entering world war 2 was expensive. and yet, sometimes expensive things are also worthwhile.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'Spains crisis is because of global warming regulations? I missed that line earlier... but that is hilarious.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'interestingly, the two largest economies are pretty vulnerable. Both the US and China have a lot of their industry and population in costal areas'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the long term damage if nothing is done will be far greater than the cost of fixing things now'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'I am a complete skeptic that anything will be done though. I see no political pathways to real action. My only hope is that when the oil runs out, we don't go burn our coal in record time.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'luckily, we now have technology for countering the adverse effects, and some advanced countries are able and willing to build underground cities, if it comes to that...'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'Nods, rich people will pay up, poor people will suffer'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'walling off the sea and building better drainage systems may be expensive, but climate change will be slow enough that there may be enough time for some countries to take protective measures'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, poor countries will, of course, get the shaft'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'No rich-country-conspiracy is required. The simple fact that UN majority vote resides with nations whose combined economic/military weight is less than the US and they prefer transfers from rich countries to no transfers from rich countries, just like any other economic unit.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'pretty much explains the agw-belief-preferred hypothesis'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'But no economic power resides with the UN. The UN is a tool for dealing with disputes between nations, and to protect basic human rights. Emergency aid is done through the UN, not much else monetary wise.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no government will benefit from global warming measures if it wasn't happening. Says a lot.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'if I am el presidente of tiny poor country xyz, and any treaty remotely resembling the initial Copenhagen proposals is passed, I will make huge amounts of money.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no transfers are necessary. The biggest economies need to reduce their emissions, that's about it'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's no real need for a worldwide trading system, just national ones. Of course an international one would be more efficient, but the aim is just to reduce emissions until we can figure out something better'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'like if we increase our supply of (clean) energy and can physically remove pollutants from the atmosphere...'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'a digression..Spain's economic problems are not caused by all the solar plants and windmills, but constantly sending trucks piled high with subsidies to those plants doesn't exactly ease the strain on gov't accounts'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'speaking of subsidies... I've never got the point of all the corn and other farm subsidies'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'something to do with big agro business and lobbyists, perhaps? :)'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmm, I wonder!'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'although original farm subsidies go back 3 generations?'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'Funny thing is, the US is sort of subsidising the food of countries that import food from the US'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'very true'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or rather, it's funny given the US budget situation'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's a bit like a (much) smaller scale version of what China does'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'subsidising everyone else in order to "create jobs"'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'US federal budget estimated -9.8% of GDP, down from -10% in 2010. This way, in only 50 years, the budget will be balanced.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'ignoring interest and such'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Canadian+woman+sues+border+guards+over+strip+search/4261617/story.html'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'Roe (one of two unidentified U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents named in the suit) ordered Van Beek, 46, "to lean against one of the cell's walls and to spread her arms and legs. Roe then aggressively grabbed and twisted (her) nipples and breasts for an extended period of time," according to a statement of claim filed by her Michigan lawyers.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'sounds like america wants some canadian nuclear bacon'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i wonder how often this will be happening'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'bring down border security?  i think not'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe start molesting all american travellers in to canada'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'which, of course, they don't do, they don't want to upset the white folk.'
T3/r2/2011-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'hah, once again those nutty environmentalists get it wrong.  Cow farts < termite farts.'
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'fiendish, you here?'
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0707/0707.1161v4.pdf'
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that looks dodgy'
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'looks like de-bunk'
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'source was wanted yesterday.. so i am providing after i went home to get it :P'
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'sonshi- on the world wide trading systems... http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-02-10/business/ct-biz-0210-cboe-20110210_1_cboe-holdings-jon-najarian-options-market'
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'whoa, viva la revolution in egypt it seems'
T3/r2/2011-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Deatheffect: 'asian girls?'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Venomangel: 'who wants to havet a debate?'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Venomangel: 'have*'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Venomangel: 'anyone?'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'social equality...good or bad?'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'to what degree?'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'You serious?'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'me? yes.'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'define social equality'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'me? just opening it.  It's interesting what people have been fed on this one.'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'The only people who long for a return to the days of Feudalism are those with blue blood.  '
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'was hoping to avoid the history part and just take it from where we are now - not limited to the US'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'Euro and US standards on what social equality is and that definition differs, or can, anyway'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'are we talking about having the same rules for everyone, or active steps to equalize benefits or results in certain areas?'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'overall policy of creating social equality - kinda broad'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'you'd think it would be a simple answer - social equality = good.'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'house negroes should get the same rewards as the field workers get.'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'many don't feel that way, however.  It makes them lose power.'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'even corporations'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'power leads to responsibility and in turn to innovation.  Who is going to risk inventing the next sticky-pedaled Toyota if the rewards are not commensurate with the responsibility?'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'Actually the federal study completely cleared Toyota, there were no design problems whatsoever'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'Isolated case, People who'd been in wrecks jumping on the bandwagon to abdicate responsibility, GM needed a temporary boost'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'on the flipside of "sticking your neck out", who is going to go to the effort of quality control if they don't have any responsibility towards the public interest?'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Are we still talking about social equality?  Or have we switched topics to products liability?  Or is products liability supposed to be related to social equality.  I'm confused.'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thargar: '-'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'social equality is liberal code for wealth distribution.'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Is it?  That's odd, because for the most part in the U.S. liberals don't generally use the phrase "social equality" or "Wealth distribution."'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'In any event, most of the wealth redistribution that takes place in the U.S. is from the poor to the rich.'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'But in the U.S., we're not allowed to talk about that kind of wealth redistribution, let alone critique it.'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'Lamya: re social equality...You aren't allowed to talk about the other way around either.  People call you "liberal" spit at you and say you're trying to "steal their wealth"'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'thus the problem with social equality - people say it's "code for stealing their wealth"'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'which isn't true at all, they've been trained to say that by hearing it repeated over and over again'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'for instance.'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: '"america has the world's best health care" is a statement i hear all the time'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'it's true if you're not poor'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'according to the WHO US is maybe 40th or so behind like Slovenia.'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'if you're poor you have medicaid'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'the US has the world's best health care for those who can afford good insurance'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'congress and elderly have medicare'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: '(joke about congress)'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'still not true fiendish in terms of this new thing of measuring.'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'it's called evidence'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'in terms of results, US still isn't first.  Not even a close second.'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'France is first (surprisingly to me too).'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'and, of course socialized medicine system.'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'isn't France still on fire because the raghead immigrants don't feel socially equal?'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'i had no purpose other than trying to bounce some of these ideas off ya all.  Thanks - im done for now.'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'could've just asked us to help with your homework...'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'heh...just edumacatering myself on this stuff'
T3/r2/2011-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, the evidence I see is people from countries with government health care coming over to the US and paying out of pocket to have procedures performed'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it would be naive to believe that yahoo, the military and the government, don't have log files of every single byte sent and received from itself, two shadow copies and one original with backups all around - how come they didn't display the methods used by the 'cleric' or 'recruiter' who lured the american woman called 'jihad jane' which CNN said is simple minded, to the people so that they can be on the watch for similar materials being used in their presence to lead people to their destruction?'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'is it volatile material?'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how did the court reach its decision?'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i was able to find a verse directly relating to propaganda and cartooonish usage of their prophet, with directions of what the deity commands be done to the transgressors'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and how come that wasn't brought to the light of the american mind'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah, she's stupid, so if you think you're smart, you're ok - cnn'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'for real?  that's a pretty shady news account'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if you actually believe this , then how come i don't see the non-human conformation of the universe to the words therein?  is there some kind of want involved in your belief?  i really don't see where one god stands and all others fall from the words on any pages in a book, they can inspire consideration and maybe invite visions, but where's the absolute begin and the temporary end?'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'because you have a gang of hoodlum's who want to believe they're eternal bullies after their mortal bodies die, for god of course, does that make you any more immortal, or just hallucinating to yourself and projecting your ignorance onto the world?'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *gasp* Aztar *lix* .Faust Necroshine! Yoo want a *lix* too :(
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if you religion threatens my belief's then there's a serious problem here, you're trying to invade my mind and i think that's impossible'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if you religion threatens my belief's then there's a serious problem here, you're trying to invade my mind and i think that's impossible'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the sun rises, it rose before i heard of the god of your mouth, should i usurp nature and give it to your imagination?'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't think that's how nature intended it to work'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'religious nuts always have the answer though, don't they?  well, the sun didn't always rise, you see here it's written anciently of design of the holiest of immoral, i the immortal hath madethst thy sunnnietstethest to riseth'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'your are my slave because it rose, and this my servent that speaks these words to you is my appointed master of your existance on earth'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'for real?  religion's always seem to speak the same thing, same line of thought, and same fish biting on different strings'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'in one 'faction' or another, they have the backups in case, preaching the immorality and apologetics for the evil 'branches' of their philosophy'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'well, don't let reality hold you back, you have to live the example that destroyed alll of those first hand, and find a solution!  it'll be different this time, i swear it!'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and they let it fester and think it's something else, look for any somehting that isn't the obvious culprit, using ignorance to hide the real crime'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'scareed to be racist, while it's not a race you're against but a ideology that removes your ability to think and be free'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'people just don't look for solutions to problems like this, because ignorance makes money go round'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i talked with people who claim that as a child they witnessed their neighbour decapitated , because it is commanded in the commandments'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and something like that you actually let exist within your borders'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'who's really in charge and what's the real motive here'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'where that person was from they're all the same race, and some kind of ignorance that wasn't even a crime in another nation resulted in their death'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'ooo, religion, lets make some new laws with it!  yes?  we couldn't kill enough of you without its help'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they say jinn are evil spirits and don't look at the evil they commit and consider what could be worse about what a jinn can do'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i wondered if the word jinn didn't derive from the word jain, which was a religion possibly practiced in arabia before '
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'no debate occurring, but maybe i opened up some questions that didn't exist before, like why wouldn't the material that was used to deceive a retard be discussed publicly on CNN'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'are all americans retarded that they can't begin to comprehend the obvious deception that the news is reporting is being preached by these internet terrorists?'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'f'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'f'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'best defense measure is leaving people in the dark over psychological attacks that are used against them, ?'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i have my doubts about that'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Necro, the people of the US has been trained to not ask questions, an inquisitive person is look at either with derision or suspicion, depending on the observer. Most people avoid showing intelligence in hopes of going unnoticed, after a while this becomes an ingrained habit and part of their gestalt.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that almost sounds real, i wonder if it actually is'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the man who went on the shooting spree at the mall in the states, attempting to murder a woman, and hitting a little girl in the process - it was said that he was rejected from joining the military for classified reasons, i wonder who has those reasons'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's one example of national ignorance'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'does it really pay off?'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is real, and it is reflected in the language in vogue. It consists mostly of very small words with very little meaning.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and jihad jane is a example of how a person can be one-track mindedly deceived to do as the deceiver or 'administrator' pleases, what if this type of person gets a group of 100,000 of jihad jane'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'the first thing they mentioned here was that he smoked pot'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and what if that number multiplies by 10 every year'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i heard classified reasons rejected from military, along with reference to a webpage by that female presidential candidate with crosshairs on a web app on her page, that hovered over an ironic figure'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'no problem in the works?  nothing wrong here, keep your mouth shut and be a good little sheep?'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'that is the goal'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't know about that, i think thinking's a critical function here, and an open mind is neccessary to actually consider everything that is relevant to a free existance'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'our wolves will do as they please with you, but be ever so secret about it, nothing needs to be done as long as we're satisfied'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's defeatist thinking, and pessimistic'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US is a feudal system masquerading as a democracy. Theoretically the people have a right to know, but in practice they never have known.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'true.. theres too many secrets'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'if we knew the truth.. heads would roll'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'people are trained from early childhood not to ask, and when some daring soul asks, he is lied to and he accepts it because that is as far as his courage takes him.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yea theirs are the heads that generally roll'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'to learn the truth before death is a pretty good goal to have in life'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think there's plenty of non-volatile religions out there that are an open school of thought and attempt to bring people closer to introspective knowledge of reality and eternity'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's their main goal as practitioners'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'much fun is made of the instability of other countries, which is part of the vail over the eyes of the people of the US. The government points to those nations and their instability and say "we are not like that" and that is true. What the government won't tell you is that those countries are not stable because the people are not blind, they see what those in power are doing and they rebel. But US is not part of the ethos of the United States.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'most people who see truth and refuse to believe it'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I meant to say that rebellion is not part of the ethos.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'er that was a prepositional phrase'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they don't see, even imagine the truth, they are too innocent. They won't accept the depth of corruption that surrounds them.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'most people seem to see wrong, and think they're too little to do anything about it, and conform to a life of silence while others don't seem to see the wrong committed to them, and never discuss it with them'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's definitely not practicing freedom of speech , among other things'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think using that law of independence is a pretty good thing here, anybody threatens me for my opinion is because they feel threatened by it'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it tests their ignorance'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'people see wrong and blame god, while he blames them for allowing it'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Hosni Mubarak thanked the ppl of the USA for the thirty years of financial support last night on SNL'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i was just gonna go watch snl'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, they should also thank the people of the US for the convenient demise of Sadat.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'he should, I mean.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Iran thanks the USA for ditching the Shah of Iran'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'even after all this time, the people here don't get it. Each every the Middle East is about to reach an operational level of peace, something happens... there is no coincidence here.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'what are the chances that Egypt is going to become another Iran'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'level of peace=democracy/'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: '?'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm curious about why it's said all around the information outlets that america armed afghanistan to fight the soviets, and now america is in afghanistan, while it's also said osama bin laden was their #1 MVP in internation relations involving the middle east, and the man through which the military aid their sent was distributed'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'where's a document detailing all of the steps that led to russia going to afghanistan, to america going to afghanistan'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'well "democracy" would imply knowledge, informed populations,  and no one has that..'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, you can have peace without a democracy. Egypt is not a target, but they have been keeping Israel from becoming over-aggressive with the Palestinians, they suddenly have "internal" problems.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'when Sadat tried to bring peace he was kiled, when Shimon Peres tried to bring peace he was killed...'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'why is it even classified or hidden?  it's the reason you're there and people are dying, does it get much worse than that?'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as usual, fallow the money, who profits?'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'anoyone who has potential to control the masses is .. dangerous'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, but they are always killed by lone nuts :) Lincoln, Kennedy, MLK jr, Malcolm X, Sadat, Peres, the list is long.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'the elite must know how vulnerable they are.. on some level'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they say lenin, who's body is still on display in moscow, believed that his philosophy wasn't limited to one man alone, or a secret group of one man's, instead once comprehended by the minds of everybody in contrast to how society exists today in their places, they would see that it is logical and alot more fair, and he believed that them seeing that was what would keep his dream alive'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Lenin was a mass murderer'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'So?'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'like in south africa the upheavel over the man mandala dying, this is a man who may have caused some progress or good to happen to his people, instead of mourning the inevitable death of him why aren't they more focused on making more 'good' appear in their society through their current government?'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Heroes are in the eyes of the people they serve. Most heroes have been mass murderers.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they're acting like it's the re-crucifixion of jesus, as they do with alot of public figures, mortifying the actions and beliefs and teachings of people to the death of those people, instead of following their roadwork and paving the future in a similar way'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'eventually these cowards who hide behind ignorance would have to murder every single person on earth in order to cover up the ideology of real freedom growing'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i agree with that kind of thinking'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's progressive and real, people aren't cybernetic organisms, they're biological entities'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the South African revolution is over, now they are into the power consolidation phase. In a few years, Mandela will be idialized and mostly forgotten. Whatever he brought to the people will be perverted in the name of some power monguer. History will always repeat itself.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'still, the people of that country should forever be thankful that he did change the course of their history enough so that the previous atrocities will not continue. Though new ones may emerge.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think you mean stalin xyliz, or perhaps a lenin who existed after 1917'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'probably that is what he means. The Lenin that overthrow the tsar is not the same Lenin that ruled the Soviet Union.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'from what history and university archives teach us, lenin was a man who had a idea of fair money-system's and holding people accountable on all levels of those systems, and was resisted by rich american buisnessmen who didn't like the idea of transparency at all'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but you can say that about Washington, Bolivar, and others.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in the book The Rebel, Camus explains the process very precisely. The oppressed will rise against their oppressors and overtrhow them, but then continuing the cycle, they will eventually raise to become the new oppressors.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'from reading over lenin's said speech, it appears as though even the stock market wouldn't have any say whatsoever in the operations in a oil drilling facility, as they aren't directly involved in that facility, the government would be the organizer and distribution of wealth among the people who had a hand in that job, taking not more than is neccessary to pay the thinkers to organize this society in a logical fashion, the man who scrubs the floor in teh facility would vote for who represents him in the senate, and the workers would have among them promotions to the managerial positions in the facility, it wouldn't be a closed-slave labour regression of the value of human life like we see it all around the world today as being'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think his overall system was alot more beneficital to human society as a whole, and if followed would have resulted in the absence of alot of evils in this world, from his day to now'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, but if followed there would not have been a power elite. That vacuum must be filled.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if your neighbour nation put people through slave-labour to produce the iron ore that you melt down in your smeltering facilities to produce some product that you export to another nation, the government could have a public voting that they don't want to support those conditions in the ore providing nation and instead get their ore from somewhere else, and the manager/almighty stock holder wouldn't have any say about that'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Lenin was associated with anf guided by Karl Marx -- Lenin was an intentional homicidal mass murderer'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's the kind of things i seen in it, but nobody's perfect, some are just more deviant than others'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so, take what makes sense and reason out why what is evil doesn't have to be a part of it'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you do take the small view, don't you, Xyliz. Have you read anything about them?'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'let me point out to you, that Marx's teacher, Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel, also taught many of the US leaders of that time.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'a very bad man did something under a progressive doctrine, i guess this thought must be stigmatized to a very bad man forevermore, though it's the only logical solution to this problem that we can't cure'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and let me also point out to you that Marx's theory was not implemented in the Soviet Union, instead, a perversion of it.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the Soviet Union implemented the murderous intent and violence of Karl Marx'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'an idea is something that is eternal, i think, especially if it recurrs as true many times no matter in what age, one thing leads to another and you have a course of action that could be followed, whoever followed or is said to have followed that course of action arriving at evil actions in the record books, so they say, doesn't really matter, nobody's perfect, this is another example in the same line of thought as focusing on a human as the end of the actions and examle they set for others to live and learn by, the human will eventually die but what they did could live on'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you can take an idea written down on a hidden burial crypt in a strange language, 1800 years ago, only you knowing its original source, it's not your own but you take it and claim it's yours - the idea wasn't the reason that you were a criminal, your own actions were the reason'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are wrong, Xyliz. You should read about Marx. I don't specially agree with his views, but calling them "murderous" means you don't know anything about them.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Karl Marx was a violent man'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Both the leaders of the US of the time and Marx (representing the genesis of Commuism) were taught by Hegel. Yes, Hegel's view of the world, Volksgeist, is/was used in both countries.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the philosophy and writings of the violent Karl Marx subliminally encourage violence rage and murderousness'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Karl Marx was not a violent man.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz read that Karl Marx was a violent man prone to violents fits of rage
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I am not sure Hegel influenced Marx, directly. But you have to admit that Hegel's philosophy could certainly be interpreted the way Marx did.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis :)'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so is George Bush, so what? Many people in history have been that way.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'in canada, the mine's are relatively safe compared to other nations, what dark avenues of real phenomenon and thoughts concerning those i mentioned earlier aside, but the man who sits in the executive panel for canada's mine safety, when asked about a contaminant in coal mine that is well known to actual miners and foreman, was doing in a mine somewhere in canada, and why people weren't informed of this and still were sent to work - resulting in their own life-long battle with various lung-related and blood-related ailments,, this guy said he didn't even know what that was'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'did Hegel teach (Karl Marx) whether violent means justified violent ends'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'No, Situational Ethics wasn't Hegel's bag, but if you are going that route you will have to admit that using the end to justify the means was not unique to Marx. He have some up-to-date examples of that phenomenon.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'in that interview with lenin, i read that lenin was aware of people who would be set into their positions in society based upon how much betrayal they're willing to commit to make more money, and in his system he had safeguards against this type of thing, such as having the actual people who mine and later are promoted to go to school and learn about the chemical/biological and physical properties of the elements pertaining to mining, doing that and then being instated as that mine's safety commissioner, and among these safety commissioners in their cycle of promotion and fair-voting for those relevant to a actual operation, one would be chosen to represent the region, and one among those regional representitives, in this progressive promotional system, one would be selected to represent themselves to the senate'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but this guy in canada appeared to me to know about nothing that somebody who actually had to mine would know about, or minimalistic knowledge, he's too high up for a direct interview'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'he was there for corporations to exploit their will on the mining operations in canada, from what i observed that's what his job actually is'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Lenin and Marx did not speak out against the use of brutal violence to attain their desires, they even encouraged that likelihood'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'That is always true, Necro. No different than the general in charge who has never been in actual combat.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'So what, Xyliz? You make them sound as if they were unique in that respect. Take Washington, don't you think that he advocated violence against his oppressors?'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'most heroes of any nation you care to mention where, at one time or another, violent men or women.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'were*'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Very few excetions: Jesus and Ghandi, if we are to believe history.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'exceptions*'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'in the study of world-changing philosophies and religions, there is a corelation beteween the temperament of the authors and the actions of the followers'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'any violence and rage in the authors is usually transmitted (directly or subliminally) into the writings and teachings of the authors'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that is interesting, how do you explain the US then?'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'or perhaps more peaceful followers record the more peaceful sayings of their leaders, whereas people looking for an excuse for war record the more warlike sayings of their leaders'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos rapidly nods twice at Dispel Majic, in complete agreement.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Islam is a violent terrorist religion from the violence and terrorism expressed in the Koran'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that is crap.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Or perhaps because the middle east is a piss-poor shitty place to live and there's nothing to do except hate the west and plot to blow yourself up so you go to a good place in the end.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the Jewish-Chistian Old Testament is a book of scriptures often expressing extreme violence'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I don't think a lot of ancient writings advocate non-violence and non-resistance :P'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you conveniently ignore the non-Islamic world's onslaught on the lands of the Koran. You actually believe that they should just forgive and forget that. Or do you think that the Crusaders were kind, gentle souls? They went to kill Muslems simply because they weren't Roman Catholics? Don't you think that was violent?'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the Christian New Testament is "ambiguous" as to violence since there were a few main authors of those NT scriptures'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'so when times are good, the benevolent side of christianity is often seen.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the god of the Jews, Christians and Muslems is a violent god. He smites right and left, the rabid followers of such religion will also be violent.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'bu when times are bad or there is war, the nasty side of christianity is observed'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'be that as it may, the violent side of Christianity went to the Middle East first, not the other way around.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and the modern persecution of Jews is overwhelmingly non-Moslem. It is mostly carried out by the benevolent Christians.\'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'eh, the muslims conquered jerusalem before that -- the world is full of injustice and conquerering :P'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah, that's one misleading thing about the bible, i figure that at times is the original doctrine and at others is a perverted version of it, in one discussing the will of God, like the story of abraham and his son that he figured god wanted him to murder from a dream - here in this story God is said to be testing abraham, but in the book of Job we see who this tester is, Like a suicidal person may be told, God wasn't the one who wanted you to kill yourself, God is the one who turned oyu away'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's my opinion of the old testament, in parts, here's God acting like Satan?  but is God a pretender?'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, Majic. But there nothing "wrong" with that. That was territorial. Just as the US would love to conquer Mexico some day. It had nothing to do with religion, it was just for the territory.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'We're informed that the devil is the father of lies and the tempter in the same series of books, then how come the devil may have been called God here?'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's confusion that actually exists'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's pretty hard to distinguish between religion and non-religion back then, pretty much every state had a religion and most persecuted those of other religions'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and it's on such a riddle-riddled trail that who can really find that out?'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if you want more equitable interpretation of those "distant" facts, Necro. How about this? The entity we call God and the entity we call Satan were engaged in a war for domination of some territory. The God entity won but wasn't strong enough to eliminate the Satan entity. The battle rages on outside of our perception and the sides seem to be more or less even.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and if you think that story had no impact on anybody's life in this world, i read about a serial killer from america who told the authorities that he believed God would teach him the errors of his ways if killing people weren't what God wanted done, like the story of abraham he spoke - among claiming to be possessed by demons'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and as for God being good and Satan being evil, the winning side always writes the history.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'his surname was pickle if i recall correctly'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it was fish http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Fish'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'interesting character anyways'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you could say that'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'Over two days of testimony, Wertham explained Fish's obsession with religion and specifically his preoccupation with the story of Abraham and Isaac (Genesis 22:1-24). Wertham said that Fish believed that by similarly "sacrificing" a boy it would be penance for his own sins and that even if the act itself was wrong, angels would prevent it if God did not approve.  { particularly this is what i was discussing }'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'such a little , confusing twist of events in a story he's taught as a child, providing psychological food for thought over such horrible crimes'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's what i mean there, where i contrast the satan in the book of job to the use of the word God in this story of abraham, it seems there's a pretender in the midst of that latter story, and it's not market out as such to the reader/listener'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'which story of abraham, he's chronicle is rather lengthy.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they had the verses mentioned'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'Over two days of testimony, Wertham explained Fish's obsession with religion and specifically his preoccupation with the story of Abraham and Isaac (Genesis 22:1-24). Wertham said that Fish believed that by similarly "sacrificing" a boy it would be penance for his own sins and that even if the act itself was wrong, angels would prevent it if God did not approve. '
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'genesis 22:1-24 apparently'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but the point is that it's the verse where god is said to be tempting abraham to murder his son, and in the book of job satan is asking god for permission to destroy job's family to tempt job to blaspheme his family'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the character of satan and god in both stories seem very familiar'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'blaspheme god's and blame god i mean'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'is what satan's out to do in the story of job'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'in the story of abraham god is given credit for first tempting abraham to do this thing through visions , and then showing him that he's only kidding?'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's interesting'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah, life and death are mere jokes, and i was just foolin with you abe ol pal'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'certainly sounds alot different than alot of other portrayals of the character God in the bible and his will, here in one place is a genocidal maniac, and here at sodom is one who won't destroy the whole city if there's found one good in it'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'where's this remarkable contrasting come from?  God genociding children because according to moses 'the son shall not be punished for the sins of the father' , here in some chronicles or kings, god is through the mouth of a priest ordering the genocide of entire cities'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'this is very contrary to the other depictions'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if ideed God and Satan exist, they are of the same "race" so similarities are expected.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'why i believe that in some places satan is called god and in some places god is said to be pretending, while in others both of those characteristics are attributed directly to the devil and his nature'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine, are you a theist, or an atheist, or perhaps something else'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't have a nametag for myself, i just am strange'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos looks at .Faust Necroshine and goes "Heh."
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine seems over-obsessed with quoting from scriptures as though the scriptures were "words of wisdom" '
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'to alot of people they are, so i don't disrespect that having read it myself, the temple of jesus seems to be divided against itself on alot of fronts though doesn't it?  and in the gospel there's a saying 'a temple divided against itself, how shall it stand?''
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the scriptures are word, so why not quote them?'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so is there a real church out there , or where is the real church at, if it were to be real?'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'like i know very little about the middle east, except what others have recorded and life tells me through the media, and scholars tell me through their articles and historians tell me through their articles - this is a wide and far apart thing to study, and i base my opinion on what reality shows me'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'while atheists do quote scriptures, the atheists usually are not obsessed with calling the scriptures "words of wisdom"'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if i'm wrong, then it's from a earlier source, because once i find something that seems likely i typically research it and if that finds fortification i consider it a likely theory, and with that theory i form my opinion, in indirect and direct ways'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the grunularity of those "likelihoods" are too coarse'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'religion has secretive administrator's, and has been recorded as being used by human kingdom's to monopolize people throughout history'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'recorded on stone and paper and in alot of different realities'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'do you think finding out their secrets is easy?  where would be their neccessary placement in society if that was the case?'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'why does the cleric send others to their death instead of expressing his faith by dying first?'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'religions are based on avarice greeds frauds and fictions, along with delusions and deceptions'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'see, this stuff needs to be taken seriously'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'rhetorical questions by the ignorant are not deep wisdom'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but all of them might have elements of actual wisdom and divinity within them/remnants, no matter what garbage they are surrounded by'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'in the bible itself it's written 'moses was learned in the egyptian scriptures', there's a possible source for alot of their wisdom, or some of it, the basis perhaps'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i like to ask the question, what was the sound, the actual term used, when discussing the will of god with pharoah, when moses expressed to pharoah the will of <name here>?'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'nobody gave me an answer to that question, and there isn't one i found on the internet'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'there is an actual english background to Harry Potter stories (train stations)-- even so, the Harry Potter books are fiction '
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the sound of a word , and its utterance is believed to be a spiritual thing within some of the egyptian belief systems i read about, at utterance the being itself becomes present, now if you utter something else who are you speaking of , does it adopt this name and recognize its owner?'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that belief might even be said to exist within any religious belief system taht has mantra's and chants, meditation exercises using those, and things like that'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'looking through the, translated, egyptian words to name deities, i think the word moses may have used was amun'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the use of the word amen in the old testament may be a backing to that, where the word amun was translated from the egyptian hieroglyphs and how they arrived at its pronounciation is a mystery though'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the old testament was written in Arameic, though.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Aramaic instead of Hebrew -- a novel theory'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Hebrew was just one of the languages of the Jews.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Hebrew, Samaritan and Aramaic'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Jesus spoke Aramaic. He spoke Hebrew with a thick accent :)'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Jesus christ was a fictional character in a work of fiction -- in that fiction that Jesus did miracles, changed water into wine, walked on water, likely even traveled to the moon to be able to see all the kingdoms of the planet earth'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'even if what Jesus was claimed to do was a fantasy, the fact remains that he existed. There are enough witness to support that fact. More witnesses that some who we take for granted existed have.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the egyptians do not record any indications of the ten plagues -- that indicates the moses was either fictional or that moses was the author of fiction'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'what sound did moses allegedly speak to a phoroah: a fictional sound'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yet, Moses is taken for granted to have existed. There is enough evidence that he did, though what it is claimed that he did may not be true.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'piffle -- there are child witnesses to support the Harry Potter exists'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the same goes for just about anyone outside of our lifetime. Aristotle, Socrates, Euclides, Julius Caaesar, Ramses I, you name it.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in fact, even today, I have to take for granted that many who are claimed to exist, in fact do. I certainly can't testify to their existence.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Jewish scriptural fiction is not credible evidence to skeptical atheists'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'there is a theory that Moses was a fiction'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what does one belief in, or lack of belief of, god has to do with history?'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and no way to authoritatively prove that the history claimed used to discredit his existance in whatever arguements you find formulated or formulate, isn't itself a con'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'we can wonder though, focus on the character and not learn from the actions they're said to have performed'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it works both ways'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'all the characters mentioned in the bible could have easily existed without any religious connotation. That connotation accrued as time went by. That's how legends are formed, by coloring the truth.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'tsk, incoherent attempts at english resulting in ambiguous drivel'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I rather have my dribble than yours.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you contribute very little to the conversations that I have seen you involved. You simply make declarations without supporting facts or logic.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how do they know the pharaoh's name was pronounced tuthmoses, this is one arguement they use to say that is him where he came from - did they speak and pronounce english 3000 years ago?'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you declare Jesus as fictional without supporting your argument, especially when the oppsitive view is rich with precedent.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a mud debate channel does not compare adequately to an irc channel'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then how did the egyptian scripture happen to share the same hiroglyphs on their translated documents as resulted in the word tuthmoses and moses'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, Egyptian was pictorial language, Necro. Similar to Chinese written language. How you pronounce it is immaterial, the meaning is in the symbol.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'egyptian hiroglyphs recording the ages of the empire and aramaic language or hebrew , among others, probably sound, if there's a pronounciation table for all, alot different'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and them arriving at such close quarters with pronounciation of these figurehead names, it seems a bit strange, i wonder which side was the one who first used it'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, think of this, Necro. Jews and Egyptians (and other arabs) have a common root.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'semites are to hemites what serbs are to croatians. Two sides of the same coin.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a debate chatter line is usually 400 characters or less -- irc chatter is able to be far more prolific'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the message is in the medium...'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_baalbek_1.htm this here is a interesting place i heard about, they claim these blocks are older than the roman temples built around 2000 years ago, by possibly thousands of years, and standing where they are, that no known method today could have moved those stones into place'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so how did they arrive there, if they did 3000+ years ago'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So... James Franco as Kaneda in the live action adaptation of "Akira". Yay or nay? I thought all the kids in Akira were teenagers?'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I wonder whether Obama understands the size of the real (gaap) US deficit.'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it seems he's discovering the difference between quarterbacking and monday morning quarterbacking'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly at Dispel Majic.
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Venomangel looks at Dispel Majic as he waves his hands about and casts, "SUMMON DRAGGER!"
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it is easy to look at the government and say 'this is wrong, that is wrnog, we should do this instead''
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Before you say what is right and wrong you almost have to figure out what the situation is though'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'ie. over 100trn worth of pensions/social security/health care related obligations on top of the 'official' 14trn debt'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Anybody see the movie "Lean on Me"?'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lady Varelis: 'a long time ago'
T3/r2/2011-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'What did you think of it?'
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trollcare: 'Hello.'
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): There is a moment of silence as Mael tells everyone to fuck off and die.
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trollcare: '...'
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mael tells Trollcare to stfu and EAT A FAT DICK!!!
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trollcare: 'You're riddiculous.'
T3/r2/2011-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'no, i'm ridiculous'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wyverex: '(Group) Sneak: 'you win''
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wyverex: 'I AGREE'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sneak, like a Chinese eunuch kowtows Wyverex
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'oddball thought... lbid market should have flash crashes like the NYSE does periodically? :*O'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'it's not that kind of market'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'at least not yet'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'would make a fun little twist'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'it doesn't make any sense as you suggest it'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'crashes come about by participant action, not by mechanism'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'that why its an 'oddball thought'.. if i had known you want final substance i would of just not mentioned it :P'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'err, what?  You mean like if there are too many items on the block we just stop being able to put items up for auction?'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'i dunno the dynamics of how it would work yet.. was just tossing the idea out'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'go read https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Tulip_mania'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'yea.. i konw about the tulip mania.'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'and crashes do come by mechanism.. thats why its called "flash crash"'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hmm, "flash" means mechanism?'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'no, but flash can be used to speak about binary code in computers'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ol' Dirty Fiendish sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'light on.. light off'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and that's what you believe it's talking about...'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'btw, flash is NEVER binary code in computers'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'considering the flash crashes on they NYSE was mostly caused by trigger points on hyper trading terminals.. i would say.. yes.. that mechanical'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'Abelinc binary is what to a computer.. its 1 and 0 to us.. which means what on the board?'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'umm, no'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'flash is a way to store memory, it isn't what is contained in that memory'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'binary is a software thing'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'im not talking about flash memory.. lmao'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're not talking about anything, actually'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the term flash is never used in the context on 1 and 0'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'on the board is just on/off, simply an electrical circuit thing.'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'Your mistaken words for other meaning abelinc.'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'frayed knot, quando'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: '1 and 0 = electric pulse on a board Abe'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'flash seems reasonable term to describe that'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, it does not.  The labels are purely arbitrary.'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you may consider it to be reasonable...but it isn't'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Erm...if you're referring to the "flash crash" last year, that had nothing at all to do with computer malfunction.'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'then what was it leinei'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I think that cow seems reasonable term to describe that'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'the MMs did not do it.. lol'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'and if the MMs did not do it.. whom do you think did it?'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'probably those Sun Candy freaks that make gobstoppers.'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'willy wonka?'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'no, i want to know what caused the crash since you guys tell me it was mechanical.. well.. tell me who did it then'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'isn't WW part of the Mars family?'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'The computers (and human traders) that led to the flash crash did exactly what they were designed to do.'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'respond to changes in the market by making trades'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'so high frequency trading computer did it.. just like i said.. thanks'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ol' Dirty Fiendish sighs.
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they said the same thing about the transformers affected by that eastern seaboard blackout a few years back, didn't they?'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And you think that means "flash" is referring to the computers that were involved?  And not the short period of time?'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'dont know anything about that'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cain killd Abelinc agrees with Quado's last statement
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'no, 'flash' is on the period.. where did you come up with the idea i was talking about the computers.. lol'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'flash = time.. caused by hyper terminals'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '[15 Feb 15:49:24] (Debate) Quado: 'and crashes do come by mechanism.. thats why its called "flash crash"''
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '[15 Feb 15:50:31] (Debate) Quado: 'no, but flash can be used to speak about binary code in computers''
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'You debate: 'considering the flash crashes on they NYSE was mostly caused by trigger points on hyper trading terminals.. i would say.. yes.. that mechanical''
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'great thorough reading there guys'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'You said "that's why it's called flash crash".  It wasn't.'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'maybe 1 and 1 isnt coming together.. "hyper trading terminals".. high speed.. "flash"'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'see, "that's why" is a term used to describe causality...'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '[15 Feb 15:46:45] (Debate) Fiendish: 'crashes come about by participant action, not by mechanism''
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'This was true'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And you said it was false'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'yes, i agree its false'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'mechanism was 100% irrelevant to the term flash being coined about it'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'most hyper trading is done with stop losses.. not "trades physically done that second"'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '"Between 2:45:13 and 2:45:27, HFTs traded over 27,000 contracts, which accounted for about 49 percent of the total trading volume, while buying only about 200 additional contracts net"'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'THAT'S what caused the crash'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'thats why  you see MM move up and down 3rd week of each month to knock out stop losses on contracts expirations.'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'These debates today bring back fond memories of Lemon.'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'indeed'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Jack or someone else?'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And debating that chile and california were in the same time "zone" since their countries overlapped'
T3/r2/2011-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, I was just noting that necro's online, so was figuring on xyliz or ode'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Today in Bullshit Republicans Try to Pull: South Dakota Republicans are trying to pass a bill that would legalize murdering abortion providers.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Good show, South Dakota! That'll show the U.S. which U.S. State is the Crazy State!'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'Florida will outcrazy them somehow. somehow.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently, after the media caught on how batshit insane they were, the Republicans backpedaled and said that they'd try to incorporated protections against abortion providers into the bill.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Doesn't change the fact that the original bill made it legal to kill abortion providers in the first place.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The bill still requires women who seek abortions to receive counceling from a group staffed not by doctors and nurses but Christian volunteers who are known (widely documented) to blatantly lie to women considering abortion to get them to re-consider.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Technically, from my reading of the bill, it'd only be legal if you killed them if you were one of the parents of the unborn child AND you did it while the person was in the of trying to perform the abortion.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'is that a joke about the South Dakota Republicans, or are Republicans that crazy'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, they really are.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And not "legal", per se, just "justifiable homicide".'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Which means it's LEGAL.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'No more than killing someone while you are insane.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Justifiable homicide is, you know, JUSTIFIABLE (not a crime).'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, that's not justifiable homocide, that's temporary insanity.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I didn't say they were the same thing.  I said they were the same level of legality.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the South Dakota state mandated use of "christian" volunteers to counsel abortion seekers violates the "separation of church and state" provisions of the USA constitution'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'what's even worse is that there's only 1 doctor in SD who does abortions... which means the bill is basicly "If you kill this dude, we're ok with it"'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'no it wouldn't, xyliz'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The group isn't Christian in name.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's staffed almost entirely by lying Christians, though.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as opposed to planned parenthood, staffed almost entirely by lying nonchristians...'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No one's requiring people to seek counsel with them BY LAW, though.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'using devious subterfuge to seemingly get around the law is yet breaking the law in some jurisdicions'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I wish there were laws forcing people to seek counsel from Plan.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'when people realize they can get free condoms it'll become a huge success, too'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, what lies are Planned Parenthood telling (and not just single workers, but as an organization)?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Abstinence Only is the stupidest form of sex ed.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'All the bill is really trying to do is equate you trying to stop someone from killing your 5 month old baby with you trying to stop someone from killing your -5 month old baby. '
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '(not saying I agree, but that's basically what it's doing)'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And it also requires women to seek counsel from KNOWN LIARS.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quado raises an eyebrow.
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Who link abortion to breast cancer (WTF).'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I don't see that anywhere in this bill, Yuna'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'lso, the SD law is motivated by religious motivations'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mad raider Wittle: 'lei when ya gona lvl?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'April'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The section where it requires women to seek counsel with CPC or whatever it's called.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mad raider Wittle: 'why so?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I don't see that part of this bill, Yuna'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Are you sure that isn't a different bill?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'This bill is only like 10 lines long'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'http://legis.state.sd.us/sessions/2011/Bill.aspx?File=HB1171P.htm'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently, it's a different bill.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But it all comes as a package from the game wingnuts.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'so where's the right bill?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'CPCs aren't even regulated. They can staff their offices with whomever they wants.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '1217 is the "Counsel by Liars" bill. 1171 is the "Kill Tilly" bill.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'forcing nonchristian females to seek abortion counseling from obviously christian counselors (based upon the religious desires of some christians) seems to be a form of religious persecution'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The bill is unnecessary and it's already justifiable homicide to protect yourself and/or your unborn child (or the unborn child of others).'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'not following what this debate is about? or rant?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'South Dakota's Republicans are idiot wingnuts.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's what's being debated.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'and what is telling you this?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'In that bill, the only thing I see is that the physician must tell the mother about those places you mention.  Not that she has to visit them.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Bills 1217 (the "Counsel by Liars" bill) and bill 1171 (the "Kill Tilly" bill).'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'South Dakota Republican are corrupting christianity by advocating homicide'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '(haven't read the whole thing, yet)'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'link directly where it says this?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'South Dakota Republican are corrupting christianity by advocating homicide and thus corrupting christianity into a terrorist religion'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'link?  im reading 1171 atm..'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Oh, I see the part you're talking about now'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '"That prior to the day of any scheduled abortion the pregnant mother must have a consultation at a pregnancy help center at which the pregnancy help center shall inform her about what education, counseling, and other assistance is available to help the pregnant mother keep and care for her child, and have a private interview to discuss her circumstances that may subject her decision to coercion"'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'http://legis.state.sd.us/sessions/2011/Bill.aspx?File=HB1217HJU.htm'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Provide the pregnant mother with the names, addresses, and telephone numbers of all pregnancy help centers that are registered with the South Dakota Department of Health pursuant to this Act, and provide her with written instructions that set forth the following:" + "That prior to the day of any scheduled abortion the pregnant mother must have a consultation at a pregnancy help center at which the pregnancy help center shall inform her about what education, counseling, and other assistance is available to help the pregnant mother keep and care for her child, and have a private interview to discuss her circumstances that may subject her decision to coercion".'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The pregnant mother MUST seek consultation...'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I just posted that :P'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yeah, I was busy finding the exact language.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And for the help centers: "That they shall comply with the provisions of section 11 of this Act as it relates to discussion of religious beliefs."'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Anyway, at least it doesn't specify that women have to seek counsel with CPC. But CPC is among the centers the bill speaks of.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yeah, more bullshit.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'So, what does Christianity have to do with it?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why is this even allowed in America?!'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'America, the Western World's largest theocracy.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'If they're not allowed to discuss religious beliefs, then what does it matter what religion most of them are?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'I'd rather debate why girls from Stockholm be so fresh? :-/'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'read 1171 and im not getting anything that you mention from that'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '1217 is the one under discussion now, Quado'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That entire bill is just to set forth a bajillion new requirements for women to have to appease before they can seek an abortion, resulting in many women giving up halfway through.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'somebody should write a book on religious tolerance of intolerant religions'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'South Dakota has been doing that for a decade, Yuna.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Quado, 1171 is the "Kill Abortion Doctors" law, not the "Seek counsel with known liars law".'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I know, Leinei. They're trying to ADD even more bullshit now, though.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that'd be a damn best seller if it was well written :)'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a book on religious intolerance of "tolerant" religions'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that could be a chapter in it'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'I think these bills are more revolved around the idea of tax payer funding on abortions ... you guys are just interpreting it on religion views.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a book on religious tolerance of intolerant religions is crap'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I'm not saying I'd vote for the bill, but I just don't see what all the hullabaloo is about.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how so?  you have the freedom to practice your hatred of everybody who isn't  a member of your religion , otherwise we're crossing the religious freedom act?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'It's basically making them have a consult with a physician, wait 72 hours, and in those 72 hours, have a consult with a pregnancy help center.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'think about it how it is in other places and becomming all aroud'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The fact that elected officials are stupid and huge enough of religious zealots to even put forward such a bill speaks volumes on their qualifications for public office.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'Leinei, so?  The obama healtcare does the same thing'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'has nothing to do with religion, its pure tax payer money funding abortions'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No... it isn't...'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'this is just hurdles i think they belive they can pass to create more issues for this'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'government tolerance of intolerant religious groups where there's a law of freedom of religious practice, which religions sole efforts are on destroying or desecrating those not members of themselves'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's a very real issue'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'Yuna, yes it is.. this is a big fight right now in the states'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'thats why planned parenthood is in major shit right now'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also... why is it even an issue?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it just is, there's living stories of it on a widescale in indonesia for instance'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heaven forbid a girl who's an emotional basketcase speaks to a counselor before having elective surgery which may scar her for the rest of her life'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Let's see... helping the poor pay for abortions vs. letting the poor birth children into poverty.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and it is a growing problem in britain, ireland, scottland and even sweden so i hear'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'because many people do not feel that the public taxpayer should pay for abortions.. i agree.. it should be privately funded'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No it's not, Necroshine. Stop listening to wingnuts.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'austria put its foot down and was criticized for that'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Abortion rates are shockingly low over here because we have ACTUAL sex ed. in schools.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(also, so are teen pregnancy rates)'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm with austria on that, either these people obey the laws of that country first and foremost, or else they have their temples destroyed'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they can always emmigrate back to where they immigrated from'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How about all religions, regardless of origin, follow the law?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Christian organizations like NOM break the law on a daily basis, yet are never prosecuted.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they try to change the law, even from the united nations internationally'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'yuna, i am going to assume you have a major problem with sharia also correct?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's not a canadian custom, and polygamy is frowned upon by most canadians'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Of course.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(in regards to Sharia law)'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and most self-respecting people will see the logic in why it wasn't widely practiced here in the first place'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'just wondering, have not heard you harp on the courts in oklahoma not denouncing sharia court systems in the states'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's mroe resistance than support, so to say'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'regardless of how much money you pay the politicians and media to preach it'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because as far as I know, there are no states which actually allow for Sharia law.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Most Sharia laws are by definition ILLEGAL according to U.S. laws. Why would the courts have to condemn them?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They are ALREADY illegal, the courts have better things to do.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'really? http://www.thomasmore.org/qry/page.taf?id=119&_function=detail&sbtblct_uid1=877&_nc=2c72e9156dd0a996e1d224eab0'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's a completely slanted and biased article.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's just my opinion and observations, and that book with a wide collection of cause and effect examples, with some philosophy and thoughts from the author would be a good real read, so i say it's a good book - because for real, government and religion here collide, the idea of freedom is removed if you're not careful with what you allow'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Linking sharia law with "funding of Islam".'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'the sword and shield for people of faith?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The court dismissed a constitutional challenge to the U.S. government's bailout of AIG.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The reason? Beacuse they've alleged funded pro-Sharia measures.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's NOT the courts supporting Sharia Law or not condemning it.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The last time I checked, people were free to find whatever they wanted. Companies are still allowed to fund anti-gay causes.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Quado: is there a source on this story that isn't the group filing the lawsuit in the first place?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And while I advocate PUBLIC condemnation and boycott of such companies, I would never advocate COURT condemnation and legal measures to be taken out against them (unless the states they operate in specifically have protections for LGBTs).'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/08/oklahoma-sharia-law-struck-down-_n_780632.html'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, what Fiendish just said.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'i dunno.. lemme do some digging'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And that link shows the courts NOT supporting Sharia law.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'you missed the article yuna'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'judge STOPPED the bill that would outlaw sharia'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/08/oklahoma-sharia-law-struck-down-_n_780632.html'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No...'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"A federal judge issued a temporary restraining order Monday to block a new amendment to the Oklahoma Constitution that would prohibit state courts from considering international or Islamic law when deciding cases."'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Maybe you need to read closer.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'you sure its me that needs to read that closer? ;)'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'that is a different story entirely'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, it says prohibit. I misread.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'that isn't even the same story as the one you posted before'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'i know its not'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That said, the amenmdent wasn't ONLY about Sharia law but also about INTERNATIONAL law...'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'just showing multiple sources of the issue'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'you can't make claims about one story and then post another. I want to know what the issue is with the new story now'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I thought abortion rates in Sweden were pretty much the same as in the US'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'at least in % of pregnancies terminated..'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'according to that story, the oklahoma amendment would have blocked sharia law (something you want), and that there was a /temporary/ restraining order put in place because, unfortunately, the amendment in question is unconstitutionally targetted at a particular religion'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'so what's the problem from your end?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I can't seem to find a site which lists national statistics for abortion rates in the U.S. I'll keep digging.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'was the religion mentioned by name'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'from UN's statistics, sweden's abortion rate is 20.2, US's is 20.8'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'it doesn't really matter. a man filed a federal lawsuit. they have to temporarily block passage until the case is heard'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'http://data.un.org/Data.aspx?d=GenderStat&f=inID%3A12 was my source for that'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: '"The order will remain in effect until a Nov. 22 hearing on a preliminary injunction."'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'and since the article was posted on november 8, I assume that means that the wait was less than two weeks'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Well, I concede that point then. Teen pregnancy rates in Sweden is around 4%. '
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'is that high or low'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Exceedingly low.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Actually, Wikipedia indicates teenage pregnancy birth rates in Sweden, as of 2010, is 0.7%.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'http://newsflavor.com/opinions/obamas-legal-state-department-adviser-impose-sharia-law-on-america/'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '1 in 25 seems like an epidemic high'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That same number for the U.S. is 5.56%'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Depends on if you're counting "per capita" or "per teen"'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I was using 2001-2002 numbers at the moment.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'There's a difference between 18-19 and say 15-16'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'But yeah, US rates are about 9 times higher than Sweeden rates.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Wikipedia counts "per woman 15-19".'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'According to that count, Sweden is at 0.7% while the U.S. is at 5.5%'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The U.S. has a rate more than 7 times as high as Sweden's.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '5.3, and not 'more than 7''
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sweden is also at the bottom when it comes to STDs among teens.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'err, yes, more than 7'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'what of israelis'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'one of the issues is including 18-19 year old women who are married and living independently in teen pregnancy rates'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Still lower than the U.S. (Israel).'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'By the way, Sweeden has the highest percentage of teenage pregnancies aborted out of all those countries in Wikipedia's table ;)'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yeah, but the U.S. still beats us.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'When you combine both stats.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that's not what she said'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Scandinavians on average are more intelligent than the average white - thus are less likely to be breeding foolishly'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'yea, sweden also doesnt have 50bill illegals using their systems '
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'US has more abortions per teen, yes.  But Sweeden has more abortions per teen pregnancy.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'debate 0.177% vs. 8.58%.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'debate 1.77% vs. 8.58%.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'she said that the percentage of pregnancies which are aborted was highest in sweden'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '69.7% of teen pregnancies are aborted in Sweeden.  41.8% of them are aborted in the US.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'quado: http://www.slate.com/id/2215142/'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And I said that it's irrelevant to this discussion.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not until now, no.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'Um, what Xyliz? How are they more intelligent ? Education ? Genes ?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The teenage pregnancy rate is still many times higher in the U.S. than in Sweden.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'No you didn't'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'first of all, why bring up an opinion blog post from 2009?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yes, it is.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'and second of all, the NY Post quote is a lie'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Yes, but the U.S. still beats us when you combined both stats". Not in so many words.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Swedish teens get proper sex ed. in 8th grade.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'genes -- Scandinavians were warlike in a cold environment -- the inferior perished more often'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'oh bullshit. '
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We're taught about how pregnancies occur, about the reproductive systems (exactly how conception occurs), about contraceptives.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not at yuna, at xyliz :P'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We learn how to properly handle condoms, my class was taken to a center for teen sex ed. where we were given free condoms, a tour an a lecture.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada bonks Dispel Majic on the head for being such an UTTER moron.
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic peers intently at Tinada.
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'scandinavians are clearly superior to all people living in warmer countries!'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'nobody is taught how to properly handle condoms, because nobody is given training on penises'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'snigger'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'it turns out, a penis is not entirely like a cucumber'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'if we can't have the weather, we've got to have something else, or it won't be fair'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'the color is wrong, for one thing.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you have vikings'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'A High School classmate's of mine's class learned how to put condoms test tubes using their mouths (even the guys). And the parents didn't make a fuss.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'vikings are cool'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'A surprising large number of US teachers have one-on-one training with students teaching them how to use a condom.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'okay, i really don't understand why you need training on how to put a condom on with your mouth. it seems to be inherently less efficient in the first place and more likely to cock up.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We're just less uptight and more open about sex, which in turn makes our teens more educated. The rate of people who use contraceptives during their first sexual encounter is also much higher in Sweden than in the U.S. and most other countries.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Scandinavioans are more intelligent than Eskimos -- what was the difference: Vikings practiced warfare and pillaging!'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Majic: It was just an example of how we don't really care that much.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They were taught how to handle condoms using their hands as well.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We even had a test on the reproductive organs, system and conception in 8th grade IIRC (as part of biology).'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And our biology textbook had an entire chapter dedicated to sex.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'It's required here (at least in my state) in the 9th grade, as part of 9th grade health and phys ed.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'It varies widely by state here.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Many states have Abstinence Only education.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yes. and many don't'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'did anyone ever do some sort of controlled study on the assumed relationship between sex ed and teenage sex?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Many states  also merely ENCOURAGE Abstinence Only by giving grants to schools which teach Abstinence Only and nothing else.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Tinada: http://www.guttmacher.org/sections/sexandrelationships.php'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'yuna, you have no idea what your talking about in the states'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/071220231428.htm'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'i can remember having sex ed classes as early as 5th grade'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'When did I say that all states are the same?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'You said many, referring to most, and considering i grew up in one of the most bible belt states. Your facts are not even in the ballpark'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'many does not even refer to most'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Many =/= Most.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'many refers to more than a few'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'English is my 3rd language.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Just, FYI.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Isn't it your 1st?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'context of your statement was saying more then 2 or 3'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'dont act like it wasnt'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'we can get into a grammar debate but we know what you meant'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, more than 2 or 3 states do what I said they do.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'says the guy posting 3 year old debunked opinion blogs'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'fiendish, anything from NYTimes does not debunk anythink'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How does the fact that your particular school isn't one of them prove otherwise?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'NYtimes is almost as shitty of a source as wikipedia'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Quado: I think you need to s/Times/Post'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Read the sources they cite...'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'also, since when is wikipedia a generally unreliable source?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'wikipedia is on the whole more reliable than any other mediated font of collected knowledge'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Depends on the nature of the debate in which it's used as a source I guess, I mean, they don't let you cite Wiki on University papers. For an online debate though? Why not?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'because it's a secondary reference'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They don't let you source Wikipedia because it can be edited by anyone. You can source webpages, though.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Exactly. :P'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'As long as what you source is either a credible source itself or sources a credible source.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'no, they don't let you cite wikipedia because citing SECONDARY sources is stupid'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'btw, state-by-state breakdown of sex ed content in the US: http://www.guttmacher.org/statecenter/spibs/spib_SE.pdf'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Just posted this month'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So, Quado, what state are you from?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Quado?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'georgia.. why'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What is a grasshopper?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What is a grasshopper?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'DAMN! Twice!'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Let's see... Georgia...  Georgia does not require: Sex ed., HIV ed. It, however, REQUIRES parents to be notified before sex ed. is taught and gives them the option for their children to opt out.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Your school is probably an exception to the rule.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'that is why it says MANDATED'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I just SAID THAT.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'also, i been out of public school for many years now.. better to find sources from when i went and not some 15 years later'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Georgia does not REQUIRE schools to teach sex ed. or about HIV.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'Does require you mean'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Er, yes they do'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'Seducing Your 1st Cousin though IS required'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'The X means yes'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'your talking out both sides of your mouth.. stick to the script'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Ok, if the X means they do, then let's turn this around:'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'So, in other words, no matter what the statitics show, they're going to prove your point anyways?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Georgia does not require sex ed to be: Medically accurate (WTF?!), be age appropriate, Be culturally appropriate or UNBIASED, free from promotion of religion.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes. Because no matter what the X means, Georgia is fucked.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'WTF not requiring sex ed to be medically accurate or free from the promotion of religion?!'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Because they do not specifically state it does not mean that it's required to NOT be medically accurate.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I didn't say it's required for it to be NOT medically accurate. But it's OK to teach LIES to kids.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'It merely means that they wrote a bill that said 'sex ed must be provided' and failed to mention 'in a medically accurate culturally unbiased blahblahblah''
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'Kids are taught lies daily'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'There's also no law saying that teachers can't inteionally fart in childrens faces.  Doesn't mean that it ever gets done.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'California hits the jackpot. Except it still gives parents the option to opt out.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, the question remains: Is "Abstinence only" counted as sex ed.?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'varies on the state'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I don't see a single state that has abstinence only according to that chart'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, the majority of states STRESS abstinence only educated according to that list.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And Georgia is one of them.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'd think that any states where abstinence only is stressed and where sex ed. isn't mandated is de facto an "abstinence only" only state.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'that does not mean that is the only thing they "say" in class.. are you really that dense?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Like Arizona and Arkansas.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'That does not say 'stress abstinence only education' it says it must 'stress abstinence as a form of avoiding disease/pregnancy' '
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And you see something wrong with schools saying "It's best if you don't have sex before marriage, but if you do, take these precautions"?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'He's confusing 'stress abstinence' with 'stress abstinence only''
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Where exactly are you getting this extrapolation of what "stress on abstinence" means?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'no i don't'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'No, typical yuna.. can't think beyond the literally wording of what is said'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'Language reflects thought'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'legality. abstinence be stressed does not mean that abstinence only be taught'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Who are you? This is the first time we've ever talked.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'I do not agree with that mushambo'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'I said reflects, not necessarily defines or is equal to ... You do not agree with that?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'no'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Arkansas: No mandated sex or HIV ed/Stress on abstinence/Includes importance of sex only within marriage/No coverage of negative outcomes of teen sex/No info on CONDOMS.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm pretty sure that equals to most schools in Arkansas limiting their sex ed. to "Sex. Don't have it."'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'autism can show you major flaw in that..'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'But the issue is, Yuna, that you already know precisely what you believe about America and Americans, and search and read for information that accords with what you already believe.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'i bet hawkins would disagree also'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'well said majic'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'How so ? (curious, not trying to argue)'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But if I'm proven wrong, I concede the point, Majic.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Or you change topics and start on something else completely.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Well, yeah. If I concede a point or a debate, why would I keep debating it? I have just lost it.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I don't disagree with you that the abstinence ONLY is a stupid idea. '
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It would be stupid to concede defeat and then keep on fighting.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'many autistic children are genius in certain fields.. but i seriously doubt many could express themselves that would make you believe such '
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'hell, steven hawkins can't talk.. yet many see him as the 'mind''
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'Language doesn't equate with physical enunciation of words'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'But you still are equating 'America/Americans' as one broad group of people who all think the same thing'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'And that's simply not true at all.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Except on the matter of Majic's cooking. All Americans agree it suc-- er... it's succulent and delightful!'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'oh shut up :D'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'What, Americans think now?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly.
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the 'stress abstinence' information is not listed on the same site. however, here's what it means in jersey -- The law requires school-based programs and materials to emphasize that abstinence from sexual activity is the one completely reliable means of eliminating the sexual transmission of HIV/AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases and of avoiding pregnancy. The law requires local boards of education to include in their curriculum the reasons, skills, and strategies for remaining or becoming abstinent'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In 1996, the federal government attached a provision to a welfare reform law establishing a program of special grants to states for abstinence-only-until-marriage programs. The program, Title V, ' 510(b) of the Social Security Act (now codified as 42 U.S.C. ' 710b), is commonly known as Title V. It created very specific requirements for grant recipients. Under this law, the term abstinence education means an educational or motivational program which: + "Title V-funded programs were not permitted to advocate or discuss contraceptive methods except to emphasize their failure rates." + "More than one in five adolescents (21% of females and 24% of males) received abstinence education without receiving instruction about birth control in 2002, compared with 89% in 1995"'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I don't see a problem with saying 'birth control and other methods can fail, so it's safer not to have sex, but if you do, for god's sake wear a condom''
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'bad UTF-8 sequence!'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Yes. I have an issue with that. I think it's a moronic idea.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I can't find any sources about abstinence only by state, though, so I must concede that there probably aren't any states whre abstinence only is mandated by law. Just staes where it's de facto.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '89% in 1995?  Doesn't that mean it DROPPED?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, Leinei.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Republicans introduced the law where schools promoting abstinence only would receive federal money and then kept increasing the support.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the long Yuna post was incoherent'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Xyliz, it was 3 quotes...'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The "+"-marks notes where each quote ends and a new one begins.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'So, if 89% _used_ to get abstinence-only education, and then they passed the law giving money to schools teaching abstinence only education, and NOW only ~22% get abstinence-only education...then what's your point?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'and the "which: + " is incoherent and or ambiguous'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'At least Title V has been dropped as of December 2007.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Xyliz, there were only 2 "+"'s, because it was 3 quotes.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I think actually it was a mistake on the people who wrote it. I think they meant that 89% had received the information before.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '89% had received the information before, yeah.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Things which I didn't know: "In Sweden, sex education has been a mandatory part of school education since 1956."'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What the... lol.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"The subject is usually started between ages 7 and 10, and continues up through the grades, incorporated into different subjects such as biology and history." (Well, yeah, we got SOME sex ed. before 8th grade, but it was in 8th grade when we went into specifics)'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '8th or 9th grade is about the age to really get into specifics, dependnig of course on when the little monsters start boinking each other behind the playgrounds'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sadly, some us schools have started doing comprehensive sex ed in 5th or 6th due to the high rates of sexual activity in those grades'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I remember my 5th grade teacher demonstrating a condom on a cucumber. But that was the extent of sex ed 'til high school :p'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, keep in mind that our 8th graders are the same age as your 9th graders because Swedish kids enter 1st grade the year they turn 7.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'So do us kids'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'we say 1st graders are 6, that means they turn 7 in first grade, yes? Or was that a misspeaking?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I lived in one of those states that are labeled as "stress abstinence", and guess what?  I've never had an STD or gotten a teen pregnant.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Well, yet.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I suppose there's still time'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'or is it 'after they turn 7 they enter''
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I thought you started 1st grade the year you turn 6.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(in the U.S.)'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'let's figure this out. when does your school year start?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'August.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '1st grade is usually 5-6 years old, yes'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Usually don't turn 7 until late 2nd grade'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Majic, I didn't say our 1st graders turn 7 during grade 1.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if you have a kid who has turned 7 in april, what grade would he be in? 1st? or would he have turned 7 during first grade?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: ''the year you turn 7' is ambiguous in english'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I said we start 1st grade the year we turn 7, which means we turn 8 during 1st grade (many of us, at least).'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'They'd turn 7 shortly before they finished 2nd grade'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'in the US'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It doesn't matter when during the year one is born in Sweden. We start 1st grade the YEAR we turn 7.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'k. in english at least, it could also mean that during the school year, you turn 7.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I meant calendar year, not school year.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'so if you have an october birthday, you start first grade when you are 6 and then turn 7 later?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you're about a half-year older than us then'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Our grades are determined by calendar year age.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm pretty sure your school years start with the fall semester...'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yep.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Which means we're 1 year older than you.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'wrong.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(depending on the kid)'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'a kid who turns 7 in october would be in first grade in most locations here.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yes, that's why i said 'about half a year' :P'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'also, many children with birthdays in july and june are held back now due to increasing academic demands in first grade'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So... let me get this straight. If a kid turns 7 in April of 2011, he'll be in the 2nd grade right now. However, if a kid turns 7 in October of 2011, he'll be in the 1st grade?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'since females do not get other females pregnant, that indicates the Leinei is either male or female'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I don't think so.  3rd and 2nd, I believe'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I... guess there's a logic to that.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'errr, if he turns 7 in april of 2011 he'll be in the first grade during the 2010-2011 school year'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'OH, nvm, she's right'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and in the second grade in the fall'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(I have a penis)'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '(she==Majic)'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if he turns 7 in october of 2011 he will start first grade in fall 2011.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'OIC.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What if the kid turns 7 in August?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'depends on the local school cutoff'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'also depends, many little boys who turn 7 in august are held back because boys mature slower than girls on average'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'boys who are in the youngest 3 months of their age group are far more likely to be delayed overall and diagnosed with ADD iirc'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'The deadline in our school system is early Sept., I believe, Yuna.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'varies by state. some states have december, some have august, etc.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'mine had sept 30, which meant that i was supposed to turn 7 one week into first grade :P'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I dunno, I think calendar year is the way to go. Those extra few months isn't significant enough to "hold kids back" an entire year. Age is very important for younger kids.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'either way there are going to be kids who are caught at the youngest end'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I think it's totally irrelevant which one you use as long as you are consistent and design your curriculum accordingly'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sweden also has a special class for 6 year olds, a class to prepare kids for primary school (i.e., you do school stuff, but only light school stuff). Do you guys have that?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yeah, kindergarten'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's what I figured.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We have kindergarten, but we also have that special year for 6 yearolds (elective, not mandatory).'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'although it's getting more and more academic now, marking kids as 'behind', i'm kinda in disagreement with that'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but i'm stating 'what is' not 'what should be' :P'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Cardinal Francis George's response to 60 gay activists protesting the fact that the Church is trying to block a civil unions bill in Illinois: " An open display of prejudice against the Catholic Church because of resentment of Church teachings prejudices civil discourse in our society."'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Just a question: Are American companies/businesses/whatevers allowed to deny someone entrance to their facility because they're gay and refuse to refund them the fee they'd already paid to enter the facility?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'never heard of anything as such'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'if its a private then rules can apply'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'depends on the nature of the organization'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's the Creatuin Museum.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if it's an institution that serves the public, then no'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Which I'm pretty sure gets federal money. And the tickets they were refused a refund for cost $71.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's a private, religious organization'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's a MUSEUM.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'so?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if I have a collection of stuff, it is a museum...it's still fucking mine and I don't have to show it to you'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And the question is not whether or not they can discriminate. It's whether or not they can take someone's money, then discriminate against them and refuse them a refund.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they didn't take someone's money...someone gave them money'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'a pretty significant difference'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'For a service they refuse to render.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the person who gave the money knew what the organization was about'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we're not talking about the museum of modern art here...'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The question is not whether it's to be expected, it's whether it's LEGAL.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, the museum takes federal money.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'its private, so yes.. its legal'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hmm, I may have brought up the wrong organization'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Private businesses can take your money and the nrefuse you service?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'is creatuin the correct spelling? where is it?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Creation Museum, Kentucky.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'tax payer funded abortions are not legal yet its done all the time.. so whats your point?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'OK, then I was in the right spot'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and as I said, nobody took anyone's money'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They paid for a service which was denied them.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's illegal as far as I know.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if you buy a ticket to a formal show, then show up in shorts, you won't get in'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: '400 people bought superbowl tickets to be denied at the door.. '
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not illegal in the least'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nor should it be'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm pretty sure there was no sign saying "No gays" at the door.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and how were these people identified as gays?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'how exactly did "gay" even get brought up from this institution and the individual?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because they were two men at a "Date Night" event.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'and how did they determine their gayness off that'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'me and my dad went.. does that make us gay?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's Christians in Kentucky. You do the math.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'sounds like more spoon fed garbage your buying'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'cmon, handegg is so homoerotic'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'eh, you can find the same article I found'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Excuse me while I start a private business in the U.S. that arbitrarily and randomly discriminates according to my whims while taking federal grants and taking people's money before turning them away at the door.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They weren't told "Come back dressed differently and you'll get in." or something like that. They were told "You're gay. You're not allowed inside ever."'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'Yuna, you still have no provide how "gay" was determined'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or, well, that's unfair. They said "You're gay. You can't be at Date Night."'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'that is where you argument ceases to have any merit'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'It was a date night and there were two guys.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Honestly, I can't imagine why in the fuck a gay couple would want to go to a fundamentalist museum's date night in the first place, still, I think they should have issued a refund. '
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'i still do not buy it was that 'simple'.  I bet you could of found father/son 'couples' in there too'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I believe it was to prove a point (just a personal theory). Still, I must question whether it's legal to actually take someone's money and then discriminate against them and refuse them a refund'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'for a speech on the biblical view of marriage? I doubt that.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, for an event promoted as "Date Night"? (It's CALLED that)'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I agree with you about issuing a refund, although I think they're not the only ones who were trying to prove a point.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The question is: Is it legal? And will this result in the government pulling their funding?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This hokey museum is gonna spend $25 million on building a life-size replica of Noah's Arc complete with artificial lake (IIRC).'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Using GOVERNMENT MONEY.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You'd think the government would put some limits on such an organization.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'thats laughable yuna.. the majority of the liberal arts programs are funded primarily from the government'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'good luck saying a small sect can't have it.. while many others can'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But liberal arts is not religiously bound. You know, separation of church and state?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, maybe you don't know what the term "liberal arts" means...'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'really? religious content is now only defined as religious or not depending on whom shows the art?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'do you know the definition of separation of church and state?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'and you need to understand what 'seperation' is a little more because your off on that also'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Abelinc, more importantly, does he know the definition of "Liberal arts"?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not more importantly at all, yuna'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're claiming that something applies, which does not'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I think he saw "Liberal" and just assumed it means indoctrination into liberalism.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Yuna, I think he was speaking to you :P'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, I see.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'it is easy to tell yuna is liberal.. not hard to see'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'its okay if "i" do it.. but, you can't'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but hard to tell if he's liberal by european standards'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'To promote Christianity over other religions and to allow the organizations you give money to discriminate freely is not separation of church and state.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Which is why the Boy Scouts of America are actually in a legal dispute in Philadelphia.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '(1) fyi, separation of church and state is not part of US law, (2) over other religions is nothing that you've shown here'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'yuna since your so opposed to "religious oppression", wouldn't your time be better served going against sharia'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'last time i checked, the states are not stoning people in the streets, etc'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Except Sharia IS NOT LEGAL in the U.S.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So SHUT UP.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'How would the average US citizen, or politician, react to the US state sponsoring the building of some museum portraying muslim creationism (muslim fundies are creationists too, though with different rules) that only allow women wearing headscarfs to enter?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'not the point, you seem to have a closed mind on christianity alone'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because Christianity is actually influencing my rights in Sweden (not much), Europe (a lot) and the U.S. (tons). And I enjoy visiting other European countries and the U.S.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I've never been to and probably never will go to a Muslim country.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I recommend you not visit creation museums :P'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'promoting atheism above christianity is just as illegal as promoting christianity above buddhism...'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, very few Muslims are on this MUD.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as far as you know, yuna'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I promote promotion no religion at all.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'please enlighten us as to which religion we are'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'that is still a belief'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The state shouldn't give money to ANY religion, end of story.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'republicanism is a religion'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'including explicit secular organizations'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Let me rephrase that: I'm pretty sure relatively few people living in countries where Sharia Laws exist are on this MUD.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'reaganism is a religion'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'and liberalism is a disease..'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quado shrugs helplessly.
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There's a diff. between a secular institution and an institution promotion secularism and which will use your federal money to do so.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'greedy american capitalism is a religion'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'sounds like the bobbing head dolls are coming out now'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '$25 mill (I can't remember if ALL of that will be federal money or not) to build a replica of Noah's Ark and an artifical lake to house it? That's 100% religious imagery by religious people for religious people right there.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Money to the boy scouts for promoting, I don't know, hippiness? Not as blatant religious (even if religion plays a part in their doctrine).'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'the boy scouts actually ban gayness'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'brilliant - http://silpol.tumblr.com/post/2939111393/we-pray-for-finland-that-suffers-under-a-lesbian'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'you can't be a gay boyscout, you get kicked'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Well, yeah. It's why they're in hot water in Philadelphia.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They also ban atheists and Mormons from being scout leaders.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic rolls on the floor laughing at Seltsimees Dagnir's antics!
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So they ban the "wrong" kind of Christians as well.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'do yous know what "secularism" is - does not mean religious  '
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, you stupid, ignorant bigoted Pentecostal churches you. It's not Finland that has a lesbian president. It's Iceland.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'she is communist by american standards tho'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"an institution promotion secularism" does not look like proper english, using nouns as adjectives'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'All of Europe is communists by Republican standards.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir nods at Summoner Yuna.
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'no, socialist'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, I'm sorry. I mispelled "promotiNG" while multitasking Facebook, MUD and reading blogs.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'honest, what country is not socialist by republican standards? I can't think of any.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'would have to say israel.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'capitalist system'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'http://www.says-it.com/churchsigns/sign04.php fun site'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the republicans are using dirtbag communistic tactics these days'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'european liberal right wing politicians would be considered socialist in the states'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'usa doesn't have a left wing. only center and far-right'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'BTW, the Swedish liberal parties are on the right-wing of our politics.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Israel is a recipient of "socialist handouts" accepting and depending on handouts from the USA'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'I'm fairly sure Israel has universal healthcare, and a robust social security net, a very large state overhead (as % of gdp). '
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'Dagnir.. that is a joke right? lol'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'like i said - "liberal" means totally different things in europe and the usa'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'quado, no. Our right-wing is more to the left that your left-wing.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'left/right depends on where and when you live, compared to the people around you :P'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, our Liberals are on our right wing.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'then their really is no point in debating politics if not to local people'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I wanna see a pastafarian theme park'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'like i said - us doesn't even have a left wing when you compare it to european politics P'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there is no real point in debating politics, period.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm just bored'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Seltsimees Dagnir.
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the USA by financilly supporting other countries is acting socialist (though when those USA donated monies go into private bank accounts of the greedy leaders and friends, that is capitalism)'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'this is american version of L/R... granted some of thsi i do not agree with it.. but in general.. its close without getting to issue to issue.  http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/politics/difference-between-democrat-and-republican/'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'xyliz you also assume the general public knows whats going on.. many do not'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'That is pretty much the opposite of capitalism... a true capitalist would've gone FREE MARKET, let the banks fail, incinerate the economy. The "invisible hand" will bring the best over time.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'damn right, i wanted bankruptcy'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'we have bankruptcy courts for years.. this bailout was nothing more then socialist actions by obama'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: '... the banks were saved by Bush'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'island is doing much better now because they let the banks fail'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'make sense, too. why would you bail out the organizations that fucked everything up?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the bailout was started by G.W.Bush'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'tarp was created by bush.. yes'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'and tarp was also paid back.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'republican are liars unless challenged'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'politicians are liars in general'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'ONLY the direct loans were paid back. The vast amount of money (The US state buying up the shit assets for the book value instead of the market value). That money is gone forever.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'really? i just saw obama say we will no longer be running deficits with new FY2011 budget.. perhaps you should read it'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'republicans are blatant liars'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'politicnas are blatant liars in general'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir nods at Dispel Majic.
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'acting as if the democrats somehow lie less than the republicans is moronic. they just lie about different things'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'of course.. they are to stupid to know what devaulation of the dollar will do.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'politicians may be liars.  Republicans are blatant liars.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'bullshit'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'get your head out of the sand xyliz'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'acting as if any major party is superior to the other in terms of lying is idiotic'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Blatant unabashed liars'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'really? want me to start listing all of Obamas lies?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Democrats stretch the truth. Republicans lie to your face on a regular basis.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'democrats lie to your face, just about different things'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'this kind of idiotic I AM RIGHT YOU ARE WRONG thinking is one of the things that's splitting the country'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'I would disagree. Democrats lack unity, which fucks up their ability to deliver promises. This makes them more incompetent. It's almost always the Republicans that come up with the Death Panels! Socialism! Obama is a kenyan! (this was repeated at the recent repub conference) bullshit.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Quado may be lying about the Obama lies'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'Death Panels was in HC proposal hodor.. should look that up.. they call it end of life counciling'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'end of life counselling is not a death panel :P'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'end of life counselling means helping people figure out what they want to do and to what extent they want to go'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'it is when you look at what is talked about majic :P'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'a death panel would make the decision for you :P'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'Death Panels were marketed as if the government was to decide "You cost us to much. Eat a bullet" '
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'no it's not :P'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'have you seen the pamplets?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'i've seen end of life counselling in action, i spent several years working in a nursing home'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'nursing home not the same as what this is.. lol'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'maybe Quado wants to quote from George Bush seniors "Read my lips!" first before criticising Obama.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'which pamphlets are you talking about then?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'let me see if i can dig it up'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'xyliz 8% unemployment, no new taxes, HC would not fund abortions, Broke LEGAL contracts.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'i can keep going'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'all bills 72 hours online for public to see before voting'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'no more lobbysist'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'G.W.Bush was far far worse than Obama'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, because clearly Obama has magical powers and can control the unemployment rate.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'no xyliz, that is not what we are discussing.. we are discussing lies of the left'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'any politician who claims he can do anything about the unemployment rate without forced conscription is lying :P'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'Yuna, i KNEW he was full of bullshit, just showing you.. a lie is a lie'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the republicans wanted no (new) taxes'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama made a campaign promise. He didn't say he could definitely do it. He said he'd TRY.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'he promised no new taxes on anybody under 250k/year'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'so far he's 134 kept, 41 stalled, 38 broken on his campaign promises.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And I'm pretty sure Obama never promised no new taxes. One of his campaign promises WAS a "new" tax.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'he lied on that withing 2 weeks of getting into office :P'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'which tax quado?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'smoking tax.. everybody knows lower income people are the primary smokers.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'granted i have no issues with it b/c of the habit, but its still pointed to lower income mainly'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Republicans are liars.  Quado is a republican supporter.  Ergo, Quado is likely lying. QED.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's a tobacco tax, not a smoking tax...'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'i am actually libertarian'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'A logical conclusion does not follow from an invalid premise.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's even worse.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'worse? i find it far better.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'i could careless what you do on your own time and own money.. do not expect me to pay for what YOU want'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'that is the fundamental difference.. '
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'actually, he promised a smoking tax during his campaign too, according to politifact. So technically, he made two promises that cannot both be held. But honestly. A tax increase on smoking is not exactly a grand promise broken. '
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Again, I'm pretty sure it's a tobacco tax and not a "smoking tax".'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You don't get taxed for smoking, you get taxed for buying tobacco.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'Hold this against the republicans who act as if all the US federal deficit can be solved by combating bureaucracy and "pork" and such... even though about 80% of all spending is locked outside that.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'majority is in SS/medicare/medicaid'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How about you just fix your broken health care system? It'll reduce costs by billions.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'can't fix it when the left crys "they just want to kill woman and kids"'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But the healthcare lobby would never allow for that and instead you're left with people demonizing universal healthcare.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'O... K...'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: '20% medicaid/medicare, 20% SS, 20% DoD 6% interest, 12% other mandatory, and only 19% discretionary'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'i see it daily yuna.. you can okay your face to that'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Michelle Bachmann, is that you?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'but ss is a canard, because it's a seperate income stream'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, your English becoming less coherent.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But, sure, I'll "okay [my] face to that".'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Ok, that hurt.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'raise the taxes on the rich -- the rich suppored Bush,Bush/Reagan, the rich are to pay -- off with their rich heads  y '
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'the rich create wealth, what does the gov't do besides take wealth'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Too bad so many Senators and Congressmen/-women are rich themselves and thus have a vested interest in preventing that from happening.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'Keeps people from dying in the streets'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'then after you have killed the rich, what will you do next?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'don't confuse them majic.. can't think to far ahead'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Said the person who told me to "put [my] face to that".'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'many of the rich in the USA are rich because of favored socialist treatment from the government.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'yes, its an expression.. english as 3rd language is probably being an Achilles heel to you'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'really? bill gates? steve jobs?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, quado, i've never heard it either'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Really? Because Google gives me nothing, Quado.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Do you speak Jamaican English or something?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the USA wickedly passed laws patenting software - that was socialism for a greedy few'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'Bills Gates parents were millionares, which gave him an early computer. Furthermore, he probably acted illegaly by selling software he didn't own to get his leg up, and probably stole early GUI code from Xerox.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'do you know how slangs are in english.. especially just on the area you are in.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'you guys are pure genius'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I know that slang usually isn't plural'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So... we're bad at English because we don't know certain slang terms from your region?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'apparently you have never heard "your face"'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'very common slang'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'not my problem if you never heard it'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I have heard 'your face''
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'what are yous saying that slang is not plural'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Put your face on that". Never heard of it. And it's not on Google either.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I have not heard 'you can okay your face to that''
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh yeah, it wasn't even "Put your face on that", it was "Okay your face on that".'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'yes, an expression'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Google still gives me nothing.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'do you guys only know things of 'common'?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'can't think outside the box?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if it were as common as you say, it would be findable on google. I suspect it is common usage among you and a few of your friends.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'At any rate, the US is the worst rich country in the world in to be poor. For two main reasons: 1) The social safeties suck. 2) Social mobility (Your chance to become significantly richer then your parents) are by far the lowest compared to all of the western europe.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The fact that we don't know of REGIONAL SLANG from a SPECIFIC REGION of a SPECIFIC STATE does not make us close-minded or bad at English.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'slangs may be plural when differentiating between discretely different regional slangs'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, Google gives us nothing.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(and neither does Urban Dictionary)'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'perhaps you should get out from behind a computer and venture out into the world.. might learn stuff 'not on the web''
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'sounds like if google doesnt have it.. it must not exist!'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So... you're suggesting I travel to your region of Georgia to learn the meaning behind a specific slang term only you and a few other people in your region use?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'in general, yes.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'Yes, yuna. that is exactly what i am saying.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if it's insufficiently widespread to be listed on google, it shouldn't be considered common knowledge'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Urban Dictionary is the cesspool of the english language from which a truthiness may eventually arise'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'thats a bold statement majic'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'Tea can not even be distinguished in the states depending on where you are'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'so that is just garbage'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'tea? what?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If it's in widespread use, it should have at least ONE hit on Google.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'ask for tea in different areas, you get different stuff.. so to assume common language = the same else where.. not happening'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Quando, again I must ask, is English your first language? Because at times, I can't even understand what you're saying.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Well, yeah, because there's DIFFERENT KINDS OF TEA.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'there are lots of things not on google, especially a lot of knowledge that is pre-internet'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's like saying you might get different kinds of coffee if you just ask for a "coffee".'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'Yuna, you dont live in the states so you do not know what im referring to with 'tea' :P'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Xyli, if it's pre-internet and no longer in use, then it's not in widespread use today, now is it?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'WTF could you possibly be referring to when you say "tea" besides, you know, TEA?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or are we talking about some OTHER randomass little-known Georgian slang term now?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Assuredly, but claiming that someone's English is faulty because he is unaware of your specific slang is rather ridiculous.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Yuna, in some parts of the country 'tea' defaults to iced tea, in some parts it defaults to sweetened iced tea, very rarely is it hot tea'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, I just said that. There are different kinds of tea.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the fuck?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But it's all at least still tea.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'Not all tea is tea. Many are made without tealeaves (say Rooboois)'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and yerba mate'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'Rooibos*'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'As I suspected, "tea" is possibly slang for drugs. I'm Googling it.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, apparently, "tea" can mean both marijuana and PCP.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Woe are us for not knowing that.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, crystal tea is LSD.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's also a programming language :D'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Lipton Tea is inferior quality drugs. Green tea is PCP.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'WTF, there are three different tea-related terms for marijuana.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'there is a lot of knowledge that is out there that is in use and yet not on google -- numerous copyrighted books, actual song lyrics used and not the crap substitutions supplied by crap websites, ...'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Wikipedia does not supply decent photographs of celebrities - many (most?) photos of celebrities on the internet are crap'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'You won't find the entire book, no, but if a phase from the book is advanced enough to actually be 'common knowledg'e' it ought to be quoted somewhere'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'You might not be able to find a photo of a specific celebrity, but you ought to be able to find some mention of them'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'admit that you're wrong and stfu, please'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a "phrase" is not a book'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's not common if no-one fucking uses it'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'every sentence in a book cannot be claimed to be 'common knowledge''
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if the book itself has no mention I would not classify it as common knowledge'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the internet is often a barren wasteland when looking for detailed knowledge on some topics'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'detailed knowledge is not common knowledge'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'how barren the wasteland is depends greatly on your personal ability to search'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Zero hits on Google = Not common knowledge. End of story.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'zero hits on google = it's not fucking used'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He claimed the phrase was in common use, common knowledge and belittled us for having near heard of it before.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'some of the knowledges i seek are not out there on the internets'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'then they are not common knowledge.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Can you give an example of something which IS common knowledge and not findable on the internet?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the COMMON part should give a clue'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'analog music versions of oldie-goldies :)'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but you can find *mention* of those songs, yes?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '24bit vinyl rips count?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'because there are plenty around'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I did not state that you could find the complete entity, merely that if you found no *mention* thereof it was not common knowledge.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Can you give a song that is a common knowledge song which has no mention on the internet, for example?'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'napalm death's lyrics :P'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'also obscure norwegian black metal band lyrics'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'HOW IS THAT COMMON KNOWLEDGE?!'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How are obscure Norwegian black metal band lyrics COMMON knowledge?!'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, if you're in the scene'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They're OBSCURE for a reason.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'everything is relative'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Yuna, could you stop shouting? It makes any point you're trying to make obscured by peoples distate for your argumentation tactics.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'also, i wanted to argue for the other side'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's like saying if you're a drug dealer, drug-related slang is common knowedge, thus you're an idiot if you don't know them, even if you don't deal drugs.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'hell, i do drugs and i don't understand the damn slang kids use'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I actually think Xyliz is just trolling is by now.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I didn't understand what your mom was saying last night.'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'might be because her mouth was full of cock'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i think xyliz is busy shutting the fuck up'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Nah, he'll come back and continue his argument unfazed in 20 minutes'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the common knowledge of elderly-timers reminiscing on analog music -- the rich full detailed sound.  And not that tinny digital crap noise that supposedly passes for music these days - noise i say, noise!'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'or perhaps more quickly than that :D'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'err. i'm still listening to vinyl records that are mastered for vinyl'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'most of it made with analogue instruments'
T3/r2/2011-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but hey, even if it doesn't count, you can jfgi and get results'
T3/r2/2011-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'hm..supreme court to have another discussion on the hollister v soetoro case'
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'haha, oh wow - https://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/20/us/politics/20data.html?_r=4'
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'requires login'
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oh, i got there with this - http://www.nytimes.com/glogin?URI=http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/20/us/politics/20data.html&OQ=_rQ3D4&OP=2fc09dc0Q2FuQ7El8u!Q23HQ23Q23Q26CuCOQ2BQ2BuOCuCOuxQ5DQ23Q3CfQ26fHCO!3Q263wiQ26gQ3C'
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'fail'
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'that is pretty ridiculous lol'
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'go CIA'
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stokes: 'venom?'
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Venomangel: 'ok here is the next debate to turn off all public channels or ignore stokes'
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'doesn't matter who you ignore...there are plenty more people to tell you that you're wrong when you're so obviously wrong'
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Venomangel: 'ooh abelinc finaly on my ignore list.time to party:P'
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cain killd Abelinc gives proper credit for the statement: 20 Feb 12:47:29 - (Friend) Eureka: 'wonder if he realizes he can only ignore so many people...for every 3 he ignores im sure 3 more will more than willingly 'correct' him ;)'
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cain killd Abelinc makes the statement that he can drive into Target to buy a hammer from Wal-mart. I mean, I perform the same steps, go to hardware aisle, pick up hammer, go to checkout, pay. So just because I'm doing it at Target doesn't mean I'm not doing it at Wal-mart, right?
T3/r3/2011-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'same steps, same reward, must be the same thing'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'new topic! Open face sandwiches and religious blasphemy. GO!'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what's considered blasphemy in one religion with its associated punishments, may be in its original interpretation not punishable in like manner, from its source the idea of blaspheming it impossible, and from human power mongers death rituals to keep their interpretation in power through fear'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'for real, this idea is in written history recorded through the last 2500-5000 years'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'i agree, which leads me directly to my point that open face sandwiches are an afront to the sacred tradition of the sandwich, a food delivered unto us by god through his prophet the Earl of Sandwich that mankind may not have to depart the cardtable in his quest for sustenance'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'open face mutilation is only one of many horrendous ways somebody can be publicly mutilated to show the wrath of the human god, who wouldn't be able to do so without his clergy of murderers'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'which is why we attack Ireland tomorrow'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'blasphemy as is commonly used actually means don't thinka bout this or that, else you will be punished by god, and the one doing the punishment is a human'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's like spiritual ignorance'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'what?'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'no.'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what one person may be blaspheming is his observed reality of the practices of the church that lead to subservient procrastination and allowed abominations on a person - my arguement that not all people labelled satanic are aiming their hatred toward god or creator themself, but rather at those who claim to represent them on earth'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then if we consider god to be perfect, able of perfect judgement, able to perceive what led each person to their actions, all of these human accusations can dissipate like dust and everybody be weighed on their own scale'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's more like a non-volatile belief in religion, as supreme being is not improvable nor provable through mortal means'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'wrong, necroshine'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'actually, it is true, do you see what i see?'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'true as i understand it to be'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"improvable" is a strange substitution for "disprovable"'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'improper, improvable, it fits, unless you can properly prove to me the absence or presence of god through some mortal manifestation'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"non-volatile belief" sounds like a phrase picked out of a word-jumble-soup.  a seeming opposite "volitile belief" suggests ambiguities in interpretations'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'volatile means if you preach it you have opposition, non-volatile means it's open to interpretation and doesn't resist anybody's own understanding or belief of god'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if you believe god doesn't exist, then through mortal means prove that'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aztar: 'but does God like the open face sandwhich?'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'food for thought and easily tossed aside if you disagree with it, but there isn't much to disagree with is there?'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'do humans fear open face sandwitches?'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aztar: 'some but not all'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think humans fears are far beyond god's fear, god being perfect has nothing to fear'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'assumed'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'god is far from perfect'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and absolute with the definition of perfection'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'now you can't mortally prove god exists or doesn't, and assert how far from perfect god is, because you can't fit god into your understanding, therefore sicne you're not perfect neither is god'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'more sandwiches less god'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you may witness for yourself a very strong belief one way or the other, but in the end what's there to dispute?'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aztar: 'that would be a logic leap...'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'everybody's ignorant, and nobody knows it all'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'there are analytic processes that "disprove" that (your confabulated) "God", that "God" either does not exist or is irrelevant or utterly indifferent or defective or incosequential ... simply not God'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah, and all of those analytical hypothesis are derived from philosophy's much older than scientology'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lets look at plato's view of a philosophers place on earth'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'some of the processes are also recent, since many of the disproved religions are recent'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'did you know that Hume was a Catholic, Freud was a Judaist and a Einstein believed in God?  He is said to have believed to harness god through energy, but I have my doubts on that - Darwin also believed in God'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'all of these founders of modern day science believing in what you call a imaginary friend, isn't that a little wonderous'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Einstein was a deist not a theist'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'a couple interesting millenia and century old recorded realities, said to be myths today, are that of the phoenix, written of by Pyrrho's disciples from his travels (a bird that lived in the flames of arabia), and the norse writings of unicorns - both today are attributed to the wild mind of a fiction writing author'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but the point is here that both of these beings may have at one time existed and may still exist somewhere in the world'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the book of Job mentions unicorns as well'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and how did the stones built upon at Baal Bek in lebanon arrive there, over 3000 years ago?'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they still say that with today's current technology those stones could not be brought up that hill and placed as they were at the summit'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so 3000 years ago aliens came to earth to put stones up, cause you know, that's the logical explaination, we found possible bacteria from mars '
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe they were just more technologically intuitive 3000 years ago than we are today'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'of course?'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine, those stones were able to be moved using ancient human technology -- you are likely quoting from discredited books'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'no, the stones that the romans moved with their millions of slaves were not even 1 tenth the size of the ones at baal bek, and they were working on flat ground'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that arguement doesn't hold enough weight'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'romans did not a large stone with "millions" of slaves'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'go and convince the university professors who haven't solved the riddle, then the engineers who say it's impossible'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'we don't know full extent of the knowledge that was held in alexandria'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'also, search youtube for a man who moves massive stone blocks alone'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'wait, which stones can't be moved up a hill with today's modern technology?'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine your crude misuse of language prevents you from being coherent or even building a solid logic framework'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'with primitive tech'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'your schooling built onto your ego too much to communicate logic with'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'seriously, moving massive stone blocks with crude tools is not rocket surgery'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'http://www.world-mysteries.com/mpl_5.htm'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'go hire your mythbusters to do a real scale replica'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'yeah all you need to move a big rock is a small rock and some sticks or sand, and time'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'rocket surgery lol'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'why? all he had to do was move one rock by himself to prove that thousands of people motivated would easily do it'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'saying aliens must have done it is a cop out'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'but more seriously, we need to consider the implications of open faced sandwiches on the nuclear family '
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'much larger humans maybe, the say there's a temple of the last recorded giant in the bible still standing'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'they say a lot of things, most of them taste better between TWO slices of bread'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'by giant i assume at least 8x the size of a large man'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Bronze_Horseman#The_Thunder_Stone'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'lmao'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'a stone larger than the unmoved stone in Lebanon, moved by human power alone without even the use of burden animals or machines'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Goliath was only about 6'9" ("four cubits and a span").  What "giants of the bible" are you talking about, anyways?'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'read and educate thyself'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'bring them here and show me them'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '6'9 is hardly a sone of a angel'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'So...which ones were YOU talking about?'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so you're saying a single man moved a 800 tonne stone uphill by himself?'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they say the rigging equipment needed for that lift wouldn't fit within the platform they were raised on and being on a slant it would tip'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'they do, do they?'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'not to mention that massive steel cranes didn't exist then'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'it's not even the heaviest monolith stone, and IT apparently never made it out of the quarry. maybe you should consider why that is.'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'go watch the video silly mcgilly'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the one in the quarry was larger than the ones on the hill'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'the heaviest known monolith stone, see my wikipedia link, was moved 6km over land and the move was well documented'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'go ahead and break the myth'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'what's the myth?'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'over land, not uphill'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'occams razor, anyone?'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Necroshine:  Go look up the Thunder Stone.  It was twice as large as those at Baalbek, and has shown to be moveable.'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'russian roullette, if you please?'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'one free chamber, and you first'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): A Piece Of Herodotus  *click*
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): A Piece Of Herodotus hands a revolver to .Faust Necroshine.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'i win'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i heard a shot though, fail'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'religious-nutters, unless challenged (and demolished), attempt to preach the ludicrous as facts '
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'ahem.. im fine buddy. ask around. I'm sure plenty witnessed the clear *click*'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so right now we're arguing simple mechanics vs giant dudes?'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'SEEK THE TRUE SANDWICH'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's really not much to argue, except that history has erased the existance of unicorns and phoenix's which are both proved to exist in 1000 + year old writings'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ol' Dirty Fiendish sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): A Piece Of Herodotus boggles at the concept.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir raises an eyebrow.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'man-eating birds, pterodactyl ?  intelligent birds, 7 giants 7 serpents chicomecoatl, where does all this folly originate from'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): A Piece Of Herodotus turns off the (Debate) channel.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aztar: 'unicorns exist in modern wrighting also... but they still don't exist.'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the Earl of Sandwich was portrayed as corrupt and dishonest in an episode of "Garrow's Law"'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'go look at the cover of korn's follow the leader and notice the similarity between maize and the harvest ritual'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'dude, i have dmt in the freezer, but i'd like to have what ever you're currently smoking'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aztar: 'writing ... Aztar needs to learn to type.'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'too bad there's so many alliances of real world phenomenon to contradict the atheist'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz is an antitheist -- fear me!
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'drugs!'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and sin meaning no and a crime against god glorified in two different speeches is a man-made invent isn't it?  '
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'sin senor, i wish to sin yes,'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'oh right on, we do alot of that where i come from'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'diarrhea!'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'reality'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): A Piece Of Herodotus falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'russian herodotus in russian venezuela maybe'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'playing some kgb games unrest in south america overthrow the american government yes'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'deliver my kali idol on ice road truckers'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or what's the politics here'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the church works for the czar - one of lenin's red guard'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Define: 'kid get off the crack'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you callin this fuckin crack?'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you better fire your university's then'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that's crazy talk, yes'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'wow, university students get paid for crazy talk'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'bravo'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'some atheists state that "Atheists do not sin"!!!, (since "sin" is a rejected religious belief)'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you. do. not. make. any. sense.'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'oh yes, evil is a relative term, if it feels good to my penis it feels nothing to what it stimulates from'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'fuckinm rapist religion'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aztar: 'athiests cannot sin according to their religion, correct.'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'they can. using comics sans in emails, for example'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i was mocked by a being with no grasp on reality, woe is me'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that's pretty universal. the difference is that the radical muslims actually have the balls to stone you for it while others just ignore you'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe their schizophrenic friends will pretend their neurosynaptical nervous systems perceiving one another were more than figments of their meatheads long enough to chuckle'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'fuck, like i give a fuck what you think of me'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'sounds like you do'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'know i enjoy argueing with you'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aztar: 'need to talk about it?'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that's not arguing. that's rambling'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'you dont argue with anyone, you just talk'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm a rambling man is a very famous country song'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'muslims practice the intolerant terrorism of murder and violence -- balls of cowardice'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'at no point in your meaningless rambling soliloque did you approach anything of a meaningful point or argument'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'sufi muslims made peace with the hindu guru's they communicated with, and were sentenced to death for it'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'but i am still entertained'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'now they have constant border wars all around, isn't it a wonderful ignorant war'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yes, xyliz, because islam is a homogeneous, monolithic religion unlike any other'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'only few can comprehend me, because either you're too high up or too low down to be on the same dimension as me'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm trying to stay lower'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'there is a difference between a monologue and a soliloquy,  and incoherent dialogue'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's a difference between an intellectual and a pretender too'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you glorify yourself with one or the other, i'm sure which though'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you actually fit the satanic religion's favourite motto o 'hail thyself, hail satan''
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'a satanist pretending to be a scientologist, or .. a hubbard pretending to be satanic?'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'off'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you must admit the high priests of both are great pretenders'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'both "intellectual" and "pretender" are used as insults'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'hey now, heynow, this is relative'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you're not adhering to your doctrine'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'ooo i made you scowl'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): .Faust Necroshine is headbanging wildly again, care to join him?
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the advanced law of St Thelma: "Do what thou wilt is the whole of the Law" '
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'for shizzle?  i thought that was the living nyarlanthrope'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'aka the great lavey'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(beware of the consequences though)'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Aleister Crowley'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yes'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'LaVey was and is a pathetic pretender'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'all in all, all religious beliefs and priests who instigate warfare and spread hell among people who would otherwise be relatively peaceful and content with their lives here on earth, should be squashed or have their administrations take out the verses from their teachers that cause conflict among people, put them somewhere for safe historical keeping maybe, and make sure the keepers of that vault are not corrupted by it or would ever use it to spread the confusion again'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dhalsim screams, "NO U!11!!" Feeling insulted, you feel an urge to retort!
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i really have no problem with religion, as long as it stays away from government on a national/international scale, and i have no problem with government if it is clean and working to become more clean with its citizens in mind and is not tainted by those religions'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'as soon as one gets mixed with the other, then you have things like the ritual death sentences in the aztec empire as recorded, the egyptian empire as recorded, the mid east today as recorded, africa today as recorded, and so on and so forth'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'government meddling in the church, church meddlign in the government'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'otherwise there will always be resistance on a large scale'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'proofread, spellcheck, punctuate, before you post crap and the crap may at least appear to be less incoherent'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't need to'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'would you like me to speak in some rot13 or some cryptographic keys to clarify?'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own confusion: wandering pretenders, to whom the storm of darkness is reserved for ever." (especially with the inability to be coherent)'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'is that some kind of poetic tao bird in hell?'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i found the tao poem to be much more interesting'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't take human threats very seriously, especially when quoted from some possible misinterpretation without understanding backing it up, such as judge not lest ye be judged yourself'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'first judge yourself then relate to me my punishment, clarity bell'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you have some catching up to do then'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'adding the "yourself" spoils the biblical quote from Matthew 7:1 (and 7:2)'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'some amtitheists like to use the matthew 7:1-2 quote to clobber theists and atheists'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they're costly and difficult to repair, but repairs aren't really worth 85 billion dollars a year are they?  especially when they might have a flaw in a line once every 5, what's the crew get paid that does the actual work?'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and every 5 would be with somebody intentionally cutting the wires, or building it on a tectonic plate during an earthquake'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'for instance, the wire they laid under the ocean somewhere on the eastern south american coast, the crew laying the wire and making the splice to connect another nation to the internet got paid, iirc, roughly 15 million dollars for crew, ship and tools'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's quite the small chunk of change compared to the 85 billion the people who rely on those wires grease out of people in a year'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kathie Lee Nibbly: 'Outlawing lawsuits against fastfood companies for claims against obesity: wise endeavor or no?'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'if you get fat eating fast food, that is your own fault, not theirs.'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kathie Lee Nibbly: 'Sure, I believe with you there--but isn't that for a judiciary to decide, not a legislature?'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'tort me!'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the legislature represents the people, the judiciary does not.'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kathie Lee Nibbly: 'Ok, but I guess I'm not convinced corporations need more protection from legislatures--they seem to be doing pretty OK'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'probably not so wise to block it entirely, but it should be at least partially blocked.'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'do where do you limit lawsuits then?'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'sorry that first do is so'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kathie Lee Nibbly: 'So right shouldnt those limitations be decided in our court system?'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'if fast food corporations say their food is good for you and it is not, them that is different'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I mean, you'd want to be able to deal with stuff like too-hot coffee and such, which probably won't be discoverable anywhere close to the event instance.'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kathie Lee Nibbly nods at <awesome> Ohm.
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kathie Lee Nibbly: 'Hmm I wonder if this bill would cover that.'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kathie Lee Nibbly: 'second question: how do you avoid getting into facebook arguments ugh.'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'by leaving facebook alone.'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'block the people who annoy you'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you're not risking your health much by eating out once a week at McDonald's for 25 years if all you're ordering is a cheeseburger, small fry, and small drink.'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kathie Lee Nibbly: 'Hehe, Majic, I just think there needs to be an after 10pm block for me or something.'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'thus, if something like that gets traced as the cause of your health issues, something fishy was going on at McDonald's.'
T3/r3/2011-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'you've already lost your mental health if you think that that sounds appealing, though'
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Vietnam: "The Ministry of Information and Communication has asked internet service providers to block access to on-line games each day from 10pm to 8am by March 3."'
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Leinei frowns.
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'Sounds like it'd be better to block them during working hours :-D'
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'doesn't affect muds'
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'It can, Dagnir.'
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'North or South Vietnam'
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no'
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'muds use telnet. it's not a "gaming port"'
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Erm, there hasn't been a north/south vietman since the 70s'
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: '.. And you can tunnel around those restrictions with SSH anyway.'
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'lots of stuff is done over telnet and they can't really block it'
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so no, they are not blocking any muds'
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Connecting to a MUD is inherently no different than connecting to any other gaming service, AFAIK.'
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'You connect to an IP and a port.  Which port doesn't matter, if they can block the IP'
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'Well, they might be blocking by IP (impossible, because this would need enumerating all the online games) or by port'
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: '(equally impossible, since every game sits on its own port)'
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'they would need a national firewall for that. i'm pretty sure they're just blocking the ports popular mmo's use'
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'Those restrictions can all be overriden quite easily.'
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's not like they're planning to block any and all online games'
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'SSH only or SSH + tsocks'
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i use a ssh proxy'
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'gives me better routing and latency'
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and a tinfoil hat in case i want to say that i have freezer full of dmt :P'
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'The tinfoil hat is essential MUDing equipment.'
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'In Vietnam, the online games obviously are or were too addictive that workers and school children (if any) were not getting enough sleep'
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Moreso than in any other country?'
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'If China can block services by IP, I don't see why it'd be impossible for Vietnam to.'
T3/r3/2011-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'there are school children in democratic countires -- unsure about totallitarian communist peasants-are-slaves states'
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so what do you figure the world's gonna do / provide for the citizens of libya bein slaughtered by the libyan military?'
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'gandaffi was making deals with scottland and italy.. hard to really predict whether or not htey support it'
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'according to aljazeera, that news a day or week before american news'
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if only scottland were a little more scottish, like being aware of the libyan roman emperor who ordered genocide of scotts in 200 ad'
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'ruled from york in england foresure'
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what the hell is a country'
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '(this is all from historians who get paid gergillionz of dollars and live in universities) and internationally acclaimed news sources btw, whyw ould i make that up?'
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i still see no arguements or studies being done on the origins'
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'who lived for the last 2000 yearss to show us his engrams'
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yet again, Dashiell: 'Can you take your stream of (semi)consciousness to echo instead?'
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Xenu, warrior arsehole ?'
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'mu semi-consciousness is probably operating at 80% more efficiency than your full awareness'
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you think it's nothing?'
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's how you cover things up isn't it?'
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'oh yeah, well , you know, most people don't know reality, so , it's nothing'
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'learn your history'
T3/r3/2011-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and learn how to be a con artist too, so you can see how they operate'
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'is jim carrey dead?'
T3/r3/2011-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'hm..it is apparently essential for my continued wellbeing that I watch several youtube videos about "planet x"..or so this email says'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '0 weighting (or even tpenchants) on Aard weapons never counts for as much when a seller is forced by circumstances to sell'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'is there a seperate channel for religion or just the debate channel?'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the debate channel is used for arguing about religion too'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ok cool'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'should i call this jehovas witness back , the one that woke me up and such the other day?'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'they have a rule about not drinking blood'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the rule about not eating blood is from somewhere in the middle of Leviticus'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'JVs are in this respect mostly known for their interpretation that blood transfusions for medical purposes count as "eating"'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tinada yeah, i know, but a lot of churches say that the new testament has the complete law, and that the leviticus and deuteronomy rules were just until that came'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'well, i would agree with that interpretation'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'in a spiritual clean and unclean or pure and impure sense, if it is impure to eat, it is impure to insert surgically'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but on the other hand, i kind of like the taste of blood'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'especially ao and o'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Kosher laws are actually a good set of dietary laws for a preindustrial society.'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The rule (unsurprisingly) refers to eating animals and animal blood'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tinada what about eating humans'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'or drinking fish or locust blood'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly at VampireDude.
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Humans aren't kosher.'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'john the baptist ate locusts right'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Locusts don't have blood, exactly.'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'so the book says, yes'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon they have fluid,  its not sinovial fluid but its fluid?'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'locusts and wild honey... mnmm.'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'constantine was cured of gout due to a bee sting.'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'bees rock =)'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if you're lucky, you'll also get bear'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Possibly the one time in history where a bee sting helped stop swelling.'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon maybe he was getting poisoned.'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and the bee sting interacted with his physiology in such a way that the poison couldnt do its thing'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tinada, so the old testament views about dead bodies being ritually unclean...'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'How many poisons do you know that are vulnerable to bee venom?'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'would that extend to eating meat or blood from a dead body?'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Vampiredude: disease, and yes.'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon a few.'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The apostles' meeting in Jerusalem (acts ch 15) also says to stay away from blood'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon the venom from a bee sting can antagonize some of the same things that other poisons like'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but i'd call it a toxin, not a venom'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'picky picky.'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon why, did you need a poison to get rid of a beekeeper?'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'It's subcutaneous, not ingested.'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Which makes it a venom.'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i disagree with your definition of a venom'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the (mis)use of "antagonize" in the above topic context is ambiguous '
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'antagonistically interact with?'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'yet ambiguous though slightly different'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"antagonize some of the same things" is different in meaning to "antagonistically interact with"'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'k'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'then please correct me mr smooth operator'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the JV position on blood is somewhat strange, since the purpose and method of eating animal blood (nutritional or ritual) is not very similar to blood transfusions (human blood, to keep a patient alive during a crisis)'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'blood transfusion is not "eating" in any reasonable sense of the word, I think, so I'm inclined to say that the differences are large enough that it is not natural to say that transfusions are covered by the clearly ritualistically motivated rule in Lev. 17'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada meeps at himself.  he must have run out of targets.
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but if its impure to eat, its impure to insert?'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the Biblical admonition against the "eating of blood" was based on the view that "blood was the life of the animal" -- since using blood is using the (sacred) life of an animal, (reserved only to God), some religious folk extend the interpretation to forbid blood transfusions'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hmn that makes more sense.'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so its wrong to use things reserved for god, whether it be giving your tithe to a tax collector instead of a church, or using gods's golden bowls like nebuchadnezzar'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'all major religions are frauds'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'xyliz really? you mean that crocodile is not a god, and he could be killed without sword or spear?'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'two reasons are given (1) "life" is in the blood, and (2) blood is used in the atonement rites'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'but not all religions are fraudulent? just major ones?'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'we dont use atonement rights anymore though, modernism has shown us that only heathens kill animals for that'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'this being animal blood, again. You are not killing anyone or trying to take anyone's life when receiving a transfusion, and neither was human blood used in the sacrificial system'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'religions are maintained by men.. the gospels are all that can be true'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'all this reminds me that it's been .. um .. about 5 years since last time we had a JV knock on our door'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'me too.. maybe they gave up'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'last time they visited, we were talking about the 144 thousand and the kingdom of god, and they were sadly unable to provide any text in support of their view'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada comforts Modi.
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'killing animals for religious purposes is a heinous crime of immorality, and blasphemes against the "True God" -- (were there a God, which is debatable)'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'You mean..it's ok to kill and eat animals in general, but if you kill an animal as part of a religious rite and then eat it, it's suddenly immoral? :)'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'he used to command animal sacrifice cuz there was no money'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or are you completely opposed to killing animals '
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'oh, the pair that stopped by told me that the kingdom of god wasnt the one describe in st john's revelations'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and that it wasn't just for the tribes of israel'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but they said their ride was waiting on them, and gave me a magazine to read and wrote down my cell phone number'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'it turned out to be the watchtower so i was like oh so you're witnesses?'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'you should join..'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but if you want me to i could ask them to have your local witnesses stop by your door i bet'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'maybe you can leave earth on a spaceship'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i think the mormons have a website form to fill out to get missionaries sent'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but you wanted witnesses?'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i live in utah, and its been years since they hassled me either'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'JVs have a number of theologically sound positions, but their methods of interpretation are rather rigid and simplistic'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'well not true.. a local mens leader hassles me, but not missionaries'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'JWs are another deluded version of Chrisianity'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'but they dont believe in JC, right?'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'hm..I'm too tired to use a W for JWs..time to sleep'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the JW theological position is not solid'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tinada just use the grecian martyr word instead, it means witness'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I am not quite sure where JWs (!) place Jesus, one the one hand, they consider him to be divine, on the other hand a created being'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tinada i didnt get to ask them about apacatostasis yet'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Tostitos'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'xyliz nah, apacatostasis'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'think of entropy, but in a soul returning to god sense'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: '^_^'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i think mormons say he was a god/man hybrid'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'LDS considers everyone to be on the path to godhood, though, so that in itself isn't special. Any LDS is (assuming they are right) going to end up being like God, similarly God was once like we are now'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'prob wasnt like me..'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i guess its possible i could quit my self-destructive ways and come to "see the light" but doesnt seem too likely'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(a defective LDS version of) the "evolutionary God" theory .. also demolishes the LDS position '
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Those doctrines are not in the bible though, and the entire book of mormon story seems to lack the expected historical support'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'as well as suffering from certain flaws, so I consider it rather unlikely that the LDS are right'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'well, if john smith, or mohammed, or zoroaster or elijah says they hear the voice of god. who are we to disagree'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'you think god is flawless?'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'well, assuming I believe in the bible version of God, I would check the stories of Smith etc to see whether they match up'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and then I can conclude that he apparently got his messages from somewhere/someone else..'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'well, to be fair, nephi was a lot better writer than smith'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yea its the other lds scripture that gets wierd.. the one's joseph wrote himself'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Nephi was also very good at copying bible texts and failing to mention it :)'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'there were dozens of nephis'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'those author guys, they sure can write.'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the BoM/JS story about the languages and development really is weird, hard to find any linguist buying into that'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'since the LDS position depends on the Christianity position, demolish the Christianity position and thereby also demolish the LDS position '
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that is perhaps more complicated'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'also, some the logic used to demolish the Christianity position may be used to demolish the LDS position'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'also, some of the logic used to demolish the Christianity position may be used to demolish the LDS position'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'proving that any religion is wrong is sort of difficult, since we don't have access to supernatural stuff'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tinada actually they had a linguist sign off on it before he found out it was for religion'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tinada actually the supernatural stuff is pretty easy to access. you just gotta make a few burnt offerings'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'grain offerings for example, not saying to go slaughter a ram'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'with practice and experience, not that difficult '
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"burnt offerings" are an abomination'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'xyliz no they're not ^_^'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I know there is a story about a language prof say "this stuff totally rocks" at the beginning (although the prof apparently denied this), but even I know enough to say that the language/alphabet development story does not make much sense'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'right, thats the story.'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'vampiredude is a dick.. debate.. ignorin me for no reason, prick!'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'there is a theory that a God is directing humans to prosecute and persecute the semites for religious crimes against life'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"burnt *offerings*" are a heinous crime of *intent* and action  when the termination of life happens in the process'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hmn i wonder if demons are annoyed to be yanked out of hell by presumptious living people, or if they're not particularly happy in hell'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aztar: 'or both'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'no, i dont wonder if both'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'either way, they're damned if you do and damned if you don't.'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aztar: 'are we debating your wondering or the demons happiness?'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hmn, not in christianity, in christianity they don't have their final judgement until later unless some mean person sends them ahead of the line to a foot of a cross to receive judgement?'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Modi gives VampireDude the bird.
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'modi sure is moody'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'also, modi, you were told the reason i put you on ignore, i told you that you were as useless as cow leader puka'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so no need to go calling names, meanie!'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'you dont know me'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'you claimed to not know a single area to fix alignment at low levels'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'that is pretty useless given your theme and all, do you just clan skill all the way, ?'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'youre wrong '
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i gave you a suggestion'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'or two'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'it just proves that you're as useless as puka, and that i should've asked habasi or kyrythren instead'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i tried to help, to call me useless , got my attention'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'you know Kyrty?'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'so i do know you'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'no? but habasi and kyr have dark helper in their fingers'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and dark helpers are supposed to know how to fix alignment'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i take being ignored harshly, i guess'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'you aren't a dark helper, obviously, so i guess its okay that you have no freaking clue how to fix alignment'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'youre the one who seems clueless on that'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'its not hard'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'well, you're back on ignore. have a nice day'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'ask me a real question, '
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Holy dogshit, VampireDude put him on ignore.'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aztar: 'I thought he did?'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'you too starling'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Let this be a lesson to you haters'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Don't talk shit to VampireDude'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Modi falls down laughing.
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Or else he will whine at you and put you on ignore :P'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling nah, i put modi on ignore for being useless... not for him saying the word dogshit'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i didnt say your name'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'this is getting funny now'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'is it cool to insult them and then ignore before they respond? unrelated topic'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Sure'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'actually modi, you insulted me first, here in public, i took you off ignore, responded, told you again why you were on ignore, and you're not back on ignore'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'now*'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Well, what the fuck are you waiting for, VampireDude?  Show him what's what and put him back on ignore.  Show people you aren't going to take it.'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i never insulted you'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling he's already on ignore, channel -h shows him though'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'w'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yep, channel history does that.'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'so much hate.. silly little dudes'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'enjoy life..'
T3/r3/2011-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'why does the hierophant card guy with a key get to interpret dreams when oneiromancy is supposed to do dreams?'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anyone remember that news article a few years ago about the school that caught fire where people claimed that bright lights had covered them and sheilded them from the flames and people thought it mighta been angels?'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'oh ok its not really important ^_^'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hey do you think if i mention the federal emergency management and labor act on the phone, that those nsa types might mistake femtala for allah or ailat or something and go nuts?'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they my not be mistaken, they might just track you because you did mention femtala :)'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos you cyynic!'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but that's a good point, they might listen just because you said 'phone''
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hmn, is there a popular cure for paranoia?'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'antipsychotics?'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'those sound expensive'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'prozac is the cure all, join the Prozac Nation!'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Actually, I found the one time I was truly feeling paranoid (as opposed to just my standard hyperawareness), it was because of pain meds I was on.'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon oh, the pain meds i have arent listed for that, but they can cause depression, suicidal stuffs, stephenson jacon or stephenson jones something or other necrosis of skin'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'liver failure, acid reflux, ulcers, gastro intesinal problems, etcetera'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but they don't list paranoia'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'not saying it couldn't be the case... but they don't list it'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'honestly i'm rather alarmed about the side effects it does list... but since the pills work really well for my toothache, if not the appropriate part of the body with the rather painful pain.'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'its better to take them than to not'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'sometimes i wonder though, how much better healthcare would be if i had access to a clinic that believed in aggressive management of pain, rather than throwing pills at you and saying no we don't do cortisol injections or anything else.'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you mean Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease :)'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos i don't remember.'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i just recall that the pills caused a major lawsuit because they cause patients skin to necrotically rot and give acid burns and such'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'its been a while since i read on it, since i dont have any alternate source for pain management other than to stop into an  emergency room .'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'here, let me go google the name of it'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: '' stevens johnson syndrome' is caused by them surprisingly often'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'is that johnson from johnson & johnson?'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos, do i look like i would know?'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I just wonder why they named an illness after a drug company's name :)'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'did you try lycos'ing it?'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, I am taking your word for it )'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i didnt give my word about the origin of the name'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos, so dont try to steal my word'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hmn oddly enough, apparently now motrib IB also causes the stevens johnson syndrome'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'is there a place to watch soap opera episodes online?'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aztar: 'my wife uses youtube, but they are in small parts and it looks like a pain.'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hmn ok'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i was kind of thinking to watch a few decades worth of the days of our lives'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but if its in small parts that could take ages'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hmn i think maybe i'll call that jehovas witness guy back.'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i dunno the whole not drinking blood thing could be a drag, but they seemed pretty chipper'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'do blood pies contain anything resembling actual blood?'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'blood<food> is common in my country. people eat lots of stuff that has blood in it during christmas'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nothing wrong with blood'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'blood sausage, blood bread, blood whatever'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zomfg Zoranth: 'good source of iron'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'not a fan myself'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'blood pudding'
T3/r3/2011-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'http://www.veda.ee/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/VEDA-verivorst-52.jpg'
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'is it immoral to use food stamps?'
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'depends on your circumstances'
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'expand?'
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'for example, I know a guy who was pulling in $50k a year who also did foodstamps'
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'such would be immoral (not to mention illegal), but it would be ok in some circumstances for a mother of three who just lost her job to use them'
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'in fact, we'd probably consider it immoral if that mother refused to do foodstamps...'
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ok.'
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so. if you are beneath the income treshhold/poverty level, then its fine?'
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'of course.  That's who they were designed for.'
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so they're not just for people on welfare?'
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they ARE welfare.'
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ok, but are you saying then that welfare is moral?'
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'anyone who can't afford food.'
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'you mean, before affording cable tv?'
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'right.  TV is free, and you can even go without.'
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ah, well i know many people on foodstamps that have cable, i dont have cable.'
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'its just they live so much better than i do, that i wonder if it might be okay to get them too'
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'there's some fraud going on there.'
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'get a fucking job you namby pamby social leech'
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): A Piece Of Herodotus grins evilly.
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar i'm not sure if they commit fraud too or not.'
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they do'
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'cable is only 100 something a month. so with what they save on food it probably evens out'
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'vampired'
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, mis'
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hmn, buffy + baseball = kill the umpire'
T3/r3/2011-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): VampireDude thanks you heartily. 
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Torunkes: 'is it really quest sitting if lag takes you 45 min to complete a quest for 8 qp?'
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aztar: 'yes... it's just more on the sitting side than the questing side'
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'question guys, if a room for rent ad on craigslist says that you must be gay or gay friendly, do they mean tolerant friendly, or closet friendly?'
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'not really up for debate is it?  you're in...'
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they mean you can't be like that bully on Glee'
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'oh i didnt see glee.'
T3/r3/2011-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you can aim for the old ball glove all you want, you can even warm your sausage in hot buns, but you can't gaybash unless he says its okay.'
T3/r3/2011-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the best part of shaving is applying the foam. everything else sucks.'
T3/r3/2011-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'In 2005 a crackdown on protest in the eastern city of Andijan resulted in the deaths of several hundred people.   http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4554997.stm  The state also maintains tight control of the media, and criticism of the president and his policies is not allowed. '
T3/r3/2011-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe that's why we didn't hear about any of that on the american news?'
T3/r3/2011-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maximum 2 terms allowed, in his 3rd now, Profile: Islam Karimov '
T3/r3/2011-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'interesting how did he get his first name?'
T3/r3/2011-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'interview with lenin in 1918 stated that the church worked for the czar'
T3/r3/2011-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'Islam is by far the dominant religion in Uzbekistan, as Muslims constitute 90% of the population while 5% of the population follow Russian Orthodox '
T3/r3/2011-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'a president with a religion named after him'
T3/r3/2011-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or named after the religion?'
T3/r3/2011-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'He is an ally of Washington in the US-led war against terrorism, as well as enjoying the backing of the Russian government. '
T3/r3/2011-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'such tight control of the media, i wonder if he had tight control over 90% of the population to choose their religion too'
T3/r3/2011-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or if the figures are controled by him like bbc news'
T3/r3/2011-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'For example, China's Z-10 military helicopter is built from components made in the United States, Britain and Canada. Pratt & Whitney Canada manufactures the helicopter's turboshaft engine. http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2006/10/02/weapons-global.html'
T3/r3/2011-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lol, what the fuck hey, they got a new story on cbc tonight about selling fully assembled weapons to hostile countries'
T3/r3/2011-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'hey, it's worth a trillion dollars, a  little bit of death never hurt anyone'
T3/r3/2011-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Torunkes: 'what do you think russia did to get out of the dumps since bush senior took office?'
T3/r3/2011-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Torunkes: 'and how far away do you think we really are knowing this'
T3/r3/2011-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and then the ones they sell china can get sold by china to wherever they like'
T3/r3/2011-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'oh yeah, it could all be lies lots of actors in the world, but that's what the news says'
T3/r3/2011-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what kind of idiotic defense is that'
T3/r3/2011-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'here, we like money, let our export agents send you weapons so you can sell them to places that want to blow us up'
T3/r3/2011-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Torunkes: 'or here is a plane, go crash it into something meaningful'
T3/r3/2011-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you won't see a m-16 for sale in a local gun shop'
T3/r3/2011-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but they're quick to sell them to whoever out there they want'
T3/r3/2011-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'funding its own destruction since .. classified, what is a nation anyways'
T3/r3/2011-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'does god hate tax collectors?'
T3/r3/2011-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'he loves them, that's why he created so many taxes'
T3/r3/2011-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'wow, one really has to wonder if there's something wrong with your child (or you) if "a teacher rattling a table to get students' attention" startles them enough to call the cops.'
T3/r3/2011-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'depends on whose definition of "rattling the table" you're going to believe'
T3/r3/2011-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar, you never know, people get shot in schools.'
T3/r3/2011-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'that teacher coulda been on coke, or having a nervous breakdown'
T3/r3/2011-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'teacher picks up the end of a 6-foot table and slams it down, that's totally worth getting the teacher fired over'
T3/r3/2011-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'you just don't know what people are capable of.'
T3/r3/2011-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'abelinc if it was done to physically intimidate the children under their supervision, it definately is worthy of some review'
T3/r3/2011-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You nod.
T3/r3/2011-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar honestly i paid more attention to the dead american soldiers in germany'
T3/r3/2011-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aztar: 'it was a lot easier when the teacher could take the student outside and beat their ass with a large paddle'
T3/r3/2011-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'aztar that's called singapore'
T3/r3/2011-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'and you know this how?'
T3/r3/2011-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it was even easier than that when they didn't have to go outside'
T3/r3/2011-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aztar: 'it was called me in school... not as bad as singapore..'
T3/r3/2011-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'keep in mind though, a teacher's job is to teach... not to discipline'
T3/r3/2011-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aztar: 'how can you teach without any discipline.'
T3/r3/2011-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'discipline is an integral part of the classroom'
T3/r3/2011-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'maintaining discipline is not the same as disciplining'
T3/r3/2011-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'do it like the subs do.  If nobody pays attention, do busywork.'
T3/r3/2011-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aztar: 'not seeing it'
T3/r3/2011-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar the subs i had preferred throwing erasers'
T3/r3/2011-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'YAY go ohio, way to get rid of those commi unions!'
T3/r3/2011-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *Yay!*  Go Celestria!!!  VampireDude cheers her on.
T3/r3/2011-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *Yay!*  Go A Nimwit Velian!!!  VampireDude cheers him on.
T3/r3/2011-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *Yay!*  Go CheezFries!!!  VampireDude cheers him on.
T3/r3/2011-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if you had to suffer the consequences of being a superhero (ie, "man of steel, woman of tissue"), would you be superman or the hulk?'
T3/r3/2011-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'nah, hulk doesn't regenerate unless he gets angry. mr. sinisters better.'
T3/r3/2011-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'hulk hulks up whenever his heart rate gets too high.  Didn't you watch the movies?'
T3/r3/2011-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'does believe in the bible require believe in the supernatural?'
T3/r3/2011-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'define supernatural'
T3/r3/2011-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as opposed to believing in the perfectly natural parting of the nile, etcl'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'a DoD commissioned report apparently says the 2008 financial crisis may have been engineered'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tinada, link?'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I haven't read the thing yet, report is called Economic Warfare: Risks and Responses'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): VampireDude kind of got bored with all that amanda gary report stuff but if it talks about the economic downturn would wanna read it.
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I got the pdf from www.eleconomista.es/imag/_v2/documentos/crisis-terrorismo.pdf'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'oh is there an english version? yo no hablamos something'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'it is english :) all the previous hits on google had efil scribd'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'yea, read that a few days back'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'quado how is it?'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'nothing really jumped out out at me'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'oh okay then'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'i think removal of the uptick rule had more push in that fiasco then some 'outside' interference'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'then again with derivatives essentially both unregulated and unreported and given the gearing level of certain funds and merchant banks, a collapse was likely one way or another'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'like i said.. removal of uptick rule'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that was removed during the previous summer, about when housing prices peaked, iirc'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'maybe then the government needs to regulate things, and get rid of free markets'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'it was removed in 2007, but derivatives are played on future contracts'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'that will... fix (in the veterinarian sense at least) the economy'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'heresy!'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'crash was not even a year later... kinda easy to see the connection.'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'seriously though, do you think usa should start adopting basil 1/2/(3?) ?'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Denalt: 'Big question of the day: Should marijuana be legalized?'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'yes. next!'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yes.'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TenNisfrEak: 'no?'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Denalt: 'looks like we have a couple of pot smokers in here.'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'dutch & nope'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Denalt: 'boo to TenNnesfrEak'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Denalt: 'And hodor'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TenNisfrEak: 'haha.. Think logical.. Wht would hapen if everyone was high?'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Denalt: 'There would be world peace. And no crimes'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'it doesn't happen. Been legal here for about 30 years now.... average consumption is about 20% below average US consumption'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TenNisfrEak: 'and no economical state.. The roads would be dangerous.. Hel.. Would you fly a plane with a ahigh pilot?'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'that's a horribly lame strawman'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Denalt: 'Well lucky you Hodor. I wish it was legal in the U.S.'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'alcohol is legal, but drunk driving is not. next.'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TenNisfrEak: 'which is more addictive? Alcohol or weed?'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'technically alcohol'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'there are no weedaholics'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Denalt: 'Alcohol Is Definatly'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TenNisfrEak: 'never?'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'ever'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Denalt: 'I consider myself to be a weedaholic'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quado nods.
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'marijuana doesn't have any known addiction properties'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Denalt: 'Ever played this game high? its really hard'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TenNisfrEak: 'which is exactly why it is so bad! You know you cant get addicted so you just smoke it agian and agian..'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'um'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'that's a pretty stupid argument'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'and? people drink coffee daily..'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'coffee is actually addictive'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'caffiene is'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'what's coffee without caffeine?'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'rr caffeine '
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TenNisfrEak: 'ya.. But caffiene cant make you high (i think?)'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'ask a 3 year old that..'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TenNisfrEak: 'soRRy.. Im crap tired and jus saying weird and rondom stuff'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'alcohol offers similar impairment effects'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'and it's worse for you'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TenNisfrEak: 'oky.. But whats worse? Drinking coffie and driving to work.. or smoking weed and driving to work?'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'you keep failing to grasp the concept that drunk driving is already illegal'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TenNisfrEak: 'im not at alcohol anymore.. Im busy comparing coffie to weed'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'i'd rather have the ganja'
T3/r3/2011-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TenNisfrEak: 'KRIEK KRIEK'
T3/r3/2011-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'damn, news, you scary'
T3/r3/2011-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'necro, you ready for this?'
T3/r3/2011-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'some of today's headlines'
T3/r3/2011-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'Google Cars Drive Themselves, In Traffic'
T3/r3/2011-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'Quadruped CHEETAH Robot To Outrun Any Human'
T3/r3/2011-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'head of british bankers' association says "the industry has reformed radically" since 2008, what have I missed?'
T3/r3/2011-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ullin: 'the great financial crash?'
T3/r3/2011-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'is it okay that russia's cutting through that khimki forest that those journalists got beat up over? or is that not fair to the beaten journalists?'
T3/r3/2011-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '48 bucks for 2 large pizza's, they say on the news how the value of the dollar is going up and miss explaining how the price on everything you spend them on goes up as well'
T3/r3/2011-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'higher oil prices -> higher food prices in 3-9 months'
T3/r3/2011-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'with the 'value' of the dollar going 'up' shouldn't the prices remain the same, at the least?  or decrease as their statement would imply?'
T3/r3/2011-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'oh yeah, we all like our crude oil sand witches'
T3/r3/2011-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'they are probably talking about the value of the USD compared to other currencies?'
T3/r3/2011-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that libyan oil really fuels canadian tractors that farm all that exported bread'
T3/r3/2011-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '.. not'
T3/r3/2011-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'relative to the euro, the pound and the yen, but with the us dollar as their main comparison'
T3/r3/2011-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'well, the oil market is for many practical purposes regional, but the US still buys about 60% of its oil from strange faraway places'
T3/r3/2011-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so how the hell does america's oil problems have anything to do with canada's food prices?'
T3/r3/2011-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'canada uses only a fraction of the oil it produces in a year'
T3/r3/2011-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the oil companies will still sell their oil abroad if canadian customers don't pay something fairly close to the international price'
T3/r3/2011-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'petro canada invented by the NDP political party in canada, a government owned oil corporation, bought out by somebody from timbuk2 for what?'
T3/r3/2011-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'admittedly we've seen a significant difference between brent and us crude prices thiswinter'
T3/r3/2011-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'all these canadian oil wells, protected by the coast guard in some cases, should be owned by the taxpayer'
T3/r3/2011-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the tax payer pays for the coast guard that patrols their natural gas operations, exxon'
T3/r3/2011-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the easiest way is obscene taxes on high profits from extractive industries etc'
T3/r3/2011-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'say 30% for 'normal' profits, 80% once profits pass a certain level, that way the taxpayers own most of the excessive profits'
T3/r3/2011-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah, politicians are quick to pass corporate tax cuts, not even taxing them at all in some cases, cause they provide 'employment' while being owned from somebody in russia or india or america or who knows where'
T3/r3/2011-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they like to use employment opportunities as an excuse for taking it easy on their profiteering schemes'
T3/r3/2011-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they don't provide a reason why there's trained people in universities across canada who know how all of these industries operate, and they don't provide reasons why those people aren't the ones in charge'
T3/r3/2011-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'are all corporations under the treatise of the american indians?  i realyy don't get it very well'
T3/r3/2011-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'like i don't get how all casino's in my province are managed and staffed by a mainly native american ethnicity - while these people don't pay the taxes that the government used to build the highways to their casino's'
T3/r3/2011-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the simple solution to that is to allow casinos everywhere and make them pay through the nose when they are profitable..'
T3/r3/2011-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly.
T3/r3/2011-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'those "native american casino owners" are likely less than 1/16 native american'
T3/r3/2011-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'then again one of the major business trends of the past 50ish years has been away from competition towards monopolies, oligopolies, cartels, 'differentiation'.'
T3/r3/2011-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ullin: 'Law and Order Los Angeles is real crap....'
T3/r3/2011-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Imonbreak: 'No debate there.'
T3/r3/2011-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'most tv is crap'
T3/r3/2011-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'That's why my TV-box smells funny...'
T3/r3/2011-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and what isn't crap is marred by constant screaming to buy random shit that you rarely need'
T3/r3/2011-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ullin: 'well, law and order is quite a nicely done serial. and for the commercials there's tivo :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '(disclaimer: I don't own a television atm) :P'
T3/r3/2011-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ullin: 'ok, that makes it a bit challenging!'
T3/r3/2011-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, really, I don't like tv and would rather watch the shows after the season is over, without the commercials and without being stuck at cliffhangers between episodes. I only watch a few shows anyway.'
T3/r3/2011-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and most of the ones I did like are gone :P'
T3/r3/2011-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'firefly :/'
T3/r3/2011-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'NCIS:Los Angeles is crap'
T3/r3/2011-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'did you notice that some of the builders and goal converters of areas that suck are no longer active players, as though they belonged to competing muds and were sent here to do a "job"'
T3/r3/2011-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'some builders of excellent areas are also no longer here.'
T3/r3/2011-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'excellent areas are okay and do not damage players satisfaction; so are irrelevent to the topic on the cause of sucky areas'
T3/r3/2011-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not really. because in order to support your hypothesis that builders of sucky areas were building them on purpose, you would have to show that they go inactive more often than builders of good areas'
T3/r3/2011-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'fact of the matter is that this is a long-term game and people go inactive because of other reasons, while the areas they have written remain. This happens to both good and awful area writers.'
T3/r3/2011-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'wrong again, merely require to show evidence that sucky areas were built sucky on purpose  '
T3/r3/2011-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and by people coming here maliciously to damage the mud'
T3/r3/2011-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but you fail to show any evidence thereof, other than that 'they are inactive now''
T3/r3/2011-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '.. and that the areas are sucky <-- important evidence'
T3/r3/2011-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sucky is a relative term'
T3/r3/2011-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'for example, I really like deadlights although many do not. '
T3/r3/2011-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'what is your opinion on (say) Hotel Orlando, or Helegaar Sea'
T3/r3/2011-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I hate helegear sea :D'
T3/r3/2011-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but there's nothing really wrong with hotel orlando imo'
T3/r3/2011-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and both hotel orlando and helegear were written by long-time players which I personally knew'
T3/r3/2011-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and they had played for many years before writing the areas :P'
T3/r3/2011-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'from the viewpoint of a starting player that takes mudding seriously, the Hotel Orlando goal and the similar AQ are grossly disappointing '
T3/r3/2011-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'perhaps, but it was written by someone who played here for years and years, not someone who came from elsewhere to write sucky areas.'
T3/r3/2011-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the main prize, Spade's glasses, are an annying deadweight (unless max enchanted - ha! fat chance), and if the similar AQ is done, 2000 coins instead of another pair of glasses -- so either keep the mediocre deadweight or discard and maybe regret this later'
T3/r3/2011-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I don't really think that makes it a sucky area -- I think of sucky areas as areas which are impossible to navigate without doing boatloads of area quest.'
T3/r3/2011-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'everytime i look at what i may perhaps get rid of to reduce the item-count, i am reminded of the Spade glasses sitting there'
T3/r3/2011-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'offload them onto an inactive friend :D'
T3/r3/2011-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'if i was able to redo the AQ to re-obtain the glasses at a later date, then i'd discard the crappy glasses until i was able to enchant them decently'
T3/r3/2011-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'so the Hotel Orlando is a very slight persistent annoyance gnawing gnawing gnawing at some players'
T3/r3/2011-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'a very small minority, but sure ... but many areas have slightly annoying bits'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'does chocolate really affect l-dopa?'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/mar/7/government-posts-biggest-monthly-deficit-ever/'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2007/10/05/deficit-for-fiscal-2007-slides/'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'love to see how an obama lover can explain that.'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thargar: 'in 2007 we somehow didn't count our trillion dollar wars as part of the deficit.'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'sorry, but the wars were not 5 trillion.. nice try'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'wars were approx same size of stimulus '
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thargar: 'also i remember something about a big economic crises'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that was a long time ago! q3-2009 ended the recession! all is going well! nothing to see here!'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'And how did stimulus help that thargar? TARP was created for that'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'last time i checked, Tarp has been paid back'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah, the 1 billion dollar candian tax dollar funded toronto 'summit' was really worth it, they invented the internet so that they can't remotely communicate for 20 bucks'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'putting up barbed wire fences around hte perimiter and molesting citizens 4 miles away'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thargar: 'mabye revenues are down because the economy is in the toilet and the thieve running things don't want to pay their taxes.'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the first plane to arrive housed a nation's leader who's GDP is less than the cost of securing their invisible mountain'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'revenues are at all time highs pretty much for corporations.. i think the issue is monetization of debt.. that thing we were told they would NOT do.'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the 3 trillion estimate for the wars includes all costs, such as deaths/disabilities etc, I think?'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'which will be spread over the next 30+ years'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'd still like to see the intelligence agency behind me mentioning steven king's miq-mac indian burial ground in the book pet sematary and the french economic representetive's smoke ceremony with that actual tribe in new brunswick or nova scotia'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'a few days before they had their 'summit preparation' ceremonies i mentioned that'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'treasury said before xmas 95% or so of tarp would be repaid'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'most of it has been to my knowledge.. a few companies have even over paid'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'so the real cost sort of depends on housing and the home loan agencies'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and if you print enough money, house prices go up and that won't cost anything either, whee'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and what about blackwater corporation, that violator of international human rights that the us government pays under a different name now, the gulf of mexico is pretty black isn't it'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i wonder if it's like a real world metaphorical sense of humour of a serial killer'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'we sent the blowout preventer to scandinavia to examine it, cause british petroleum is there, and media access is missing from the scene of the crime'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'torpedo?'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe..'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and why was the peat moss article posted within a week of the oil spill?'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'proven to work on ocean oil spills in a port'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'printing presses will devalue the dollar and kill the currency like its doing now.. makes everything more expensive.. not less'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'strange how that article comes from norway too isn't it'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the new york university lawyer doing the distribution of the 20 billion dollar grievance allowance from british petroleum is being paid over 950 dollars per hour, we don't know if he works 24 hours a day or not and if he gets time and a half and double time though'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'cause you know, an honest lawyer is hard to find, you have to pay a known crook to fairly distribute the wealth with tax payer funding'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'is looking at a pile of crossword puzzles that a secretary has you sign your name on worth 950 dollars an hour?'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what a joke, i'm glad i'm not a lawyer'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'me too necroshine '
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the shit he buys with his money, the people who provide that should be getting paid the same'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i bet the cost of covering up the media's eyes would have paid for the cleanup twice, if the media had any independence at all'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'even has the ability to hide the sight from nassa which is international, but american'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'did that look like a hundred thousand dead fish in the mississipi, or a couple million'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'no coverage at all about it, isn't that weird'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'god snapped his fingers for the man and the fish were floating rightside up again'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'http://terra.nasa.gov/ i wonder if this here protection of the planet website has any insight into the oil spill'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'best canadian beer, molson canadian, pilsner or bohemian?'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i love them all, kokanee's too watered down for me'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'some like labatts blue too'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'my favourite american beer is miller genuine draft'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'bohemian is produced in my province, it's fuckin high quality stuff though'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i had this beer the other day you get in them 1.33 litre bottles, called perfect 10'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and the stuff tasted just like moonshine would mixed with a little beer'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'after a few swigs of that fuck  i was nearly knocked out'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'some like their liquer too, i don't mind some brandy now and then, i love the burn'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i drink my whiskey straight, jack daniels is so damn expensive though comparitive to the crown'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz primly states "Drinking alcohol to excess is not anything to be proud of, you wannabe lush"
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'come on now, it's a biblic gift from god, written down in the book of psalms to make the heart merry'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'some people might whine that their wine is a little too harsh but being an alcoholic is as old as prositution, even older since maybe money didn't exist before whores'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: ''at one point in time we sold our asses for bread''
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the old testament is a book of mostly fiction written by religious hucksters and liars - the bible is not to be believed'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's an assertion that can't be proven'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't lean one way or the other absolutely, same with any other book or interpretation thereof written by a man i never met'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'no need to fight ignorance with hatred, keeping an open mind is a virtue'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'people aren't born knowing it all'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if you want to weed out the weak, you can start with your prenatal self, or postnatal'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Yet again, Dashiell peers intently at .Faust Necroshine.
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'isn't that how it is, or are you like zeus, born a full grown man'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yet again, Dashiell: 'dribbling mouth maggots again?'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'attracting flies like you'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you can buzz around the subject matter'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yet again, Dashiell: 'I don't even understand what you're trying to say. Your fantasies are running through your fingers again.'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm very clear, maybe your delusional mind is distorting reality, or you need to relearn english'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Riddim screams, "NO U!11!!" Feeling insulted, you feel an urge to retort!
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or your just not as well educated as me'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i educated myself, who taught you'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yet again, Dashiell: 'if that's what you call education, I want none of it.'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Come on, guys, it's Mardi Gras time.  Can't we all just get a longneck?'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yet again, Dashiell: 'aaahhhhh, that explains everything!'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yet again, Dashiell: 'the blind leading the blind!'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'enlightenment is horrendous to a vegetarian'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'educated.... did you just say "your"? :P'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yet again, Dashiell: 'ok.'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah, you follow one who sees, just like you'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'delusional master and delinquent student, or is the and a or'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yet again, Dashiell: 'Now that I know you're self-educated, I can understand a lot more of what you're saying. You taught yourself a large vocabulary, but nothing about in which order the words go'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '"I'm the best kung-fu fighter in the world because I was taught by the best kung-fu fighter in the world -- me!"'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the bible mentions you salvanas, alot of people fit the bibles character profiles in their actions, which one are you?'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'we are legion, or just predictably stupid'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yet again, Dashiell: 'Yes, you are, quite predictably...'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Riddim: 'I'm an F-18, Bro'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I doubt his real name is Salvanas.'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yet again, Dashiell: 'u mad bro?'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'oh, look, two Christians walk into Dearborn, MI and get arrested for giving out free Gospel of St. Johns on the street corner near an Arab festival.'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's a difference between i don't care and stupidity, one is based upon disregard for your judgement and the other is based upon fear of your judgement'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'did they teach you that in school or did you hear it from me'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yet again, Dashiell: 'All I've heard from you is incoherence.'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I think debating is the only sport in which it's much more fun to play with someone much below your level.'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yet again, Dashiell: 'also incompetence.'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Yet again, Dashiell is agreeing with that Leinei person again...
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'stfu, you want a list of incompetent world leaders'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yet again, Dashiell: 'nope'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yet again, Dashiell: 'why don't you start listing them off on echo channel?'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then quit pointing the finger at those they proclaim mastery over'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yet again, Dashiell: 'also: try "who cares"'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz doubts that "salvanas" were mentioned in the Bible
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: '1. Don't get into a land war with China.  2. Don't challenge a Sicilian to a battle of wits when death is on the line.  3.  Don't debate with an idiot, they'll just bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Necro, really, why do you have to come here and start spouting off about stuff that no one wants to hear about? And doing so in an aggressive, belligerent manner? Gee, I thought you were trying to CONVINCE people, but you could fool me...'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'oh death threats'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i like those'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'we'll see if your connections can hit me or  not'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: '... death threats? Gee, you heard about analogy? :P'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, quoting the princess bride isn't a death threat'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fluffled Salvanas seems to think you have the right idea.
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'think you're a god person or what, the king of atheist religion, lets go cut some hearts and eat them yes, lets see you hide out in the open'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Now quoting the Godfather...'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Let's see you talk some sense first, then I might do all of the above?'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'is "alot" in accepted usage yet -- the archaic dictionary here does not list "alot" but "a lot"'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'sure it is. http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'under standard rules, the standard rules don't really apply to informal speech such as that which appears in game chatter between players.'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'is it wise to not be murdered'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lets see the cowards'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'is it self defense to kill a killer'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'do killers have any rights'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'only when babies and vaginas are not involved'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'do people attempt to assassinate you often?'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'not that i know of, i've seen a few shady characters'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or is just calling you a dumbass your equivalent of trying to kill you?'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'call me all the dumb you like, you're the one that's gonna be a 3rd world country soon based upon your idiot leaders'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'didn't call you dumb...dumbass is different from dumb'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'How do you know which countries we're from anyway? :P'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'our economy is too big to fail, dude.  If we go under, Great Depression 2.0 is going to happen and the EU, SEATO, and all the other great alliances won't be able to do jack shit about it.'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'your economy means nothing when people realize that they have nothing to buy'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, too big to fail...sounds like the banking/auto industries'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lets see if this year provides any growing seasons for your crops'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'America? crops? really?'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, growing crops isn't a problem'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'debate *agree abeli'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah, no problem at all, like a 30% yield last year in canada, and a closed russian export'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'no problem '
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'as of today, we could SUPPLY the world several times over if everything immediately stopped growing.'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we pay our farmers not to grow stuff'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You rapidly nod twice at Dokkar, in complete agreement.
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'So what do you care? And more importantly, what do you gain by antagonising people about stuff that they don't care about? :P'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'just because they don't discuss it on the news'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yet it exists'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'besides an ilusion of self-worth and better-than-thou, i mean? :P'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'oh , self worth illusions, now we're getting deep'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Sure, maybe it does. Doesn't mean that we want to hear about it, or that speaking it to us doesn't make you look like a completel tosser. :P'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the only news worth listening to is Fox News.  Everyone else is too slow.'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's amazing how the news doesn't report about nonissues'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and Al Jazeera doesn't count, so feel free to slap a Clinton over that one.'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Or perhaps you feel it is your DUTY to report these conspiracy theories? How do you even survive in the real world, man... oh wait, perhaps you don't. I mean, the real world is evil and so you're hermiting it of somewhere in the Colorados, or in Siberia or something?'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'hmm, that might make a great euphemism..."Stop slapping the Clintons or you'll go blind!"'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so do you think that by humans bring their own destruction about, they're attempting to dethrone the god theory through obliteration of themselves, or is there some haven here on earth where the progenitors of your death hide, or .. are they just greedy or stupid?  who teaches the masses?  the mind seems to be a bit malevolent'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'oh yeah, the end of the world's no problem, no problem at all, lets keep fucking around'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you got some forsaken ancestry here'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'there's a haven, yes.  It's under the Adriatic Sea and is ruled by a technologically advanced civilization of terrestrial humans who have infiltrated all levels of all governments.'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Oh yeah, you just went into the whole realm of end of the world...  And you know what, I DO live like it's going to be the end of the world soon, but I don't attempt to predict the end of the world based on current "signs", cos that's just ridiculous.'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'sure, can they prove it's safe until it's tested?'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lets see a real world destruction scenario, like the australian continent of ur sinking'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they work to stymie the efforts of some ancient Nazi sorceror cult that built up the SS around themselves.'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'might toss up some jagged teeth through their haven'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'It's times like this when the old system of mental sanitariums and compulsory institutionalisation makes so much sense...'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Nurse Ratched! We got a wild one here!!!'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'before you reason it out on me, might want to turn on your tv and pick out the fattened calves first'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the lord likes his burnt goats'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or does he'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'gods don't give a crap about anything.  Particularly all-powerful ones.'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's why they invented reality, cause they cared too less to make it'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what kind of god ideology do you follow'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the correct kind'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Dokkar, you're wrong about that, but I'm not going into it now, simply cos loopy over there won't be able to stay on track anyway. :P'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'so what do you all think about arabs having people arrested because their faith offends them?'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think that most extremists don't have a clear understanding of what it is they believe in, and are taught from birth to follow the god who lives on the tongue of the priest'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'why does god need to hide behind a mortal priest?'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'those wannabe terrorist arabs are violating the first ammendment rights of Americans ?!?'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that makes you a moderate?'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'have a little of his spirit of life yes, are you the sole living thing organism?'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'I think the truth is what people lack, as truth has no agenda.'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"God' aka "the seeker of Truth" may be with an agenda: to seek more truth'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'Then that is not the truth.'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'absolute truth has no agenda, mans interpretation of the truth has agenda'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the term "absolute truth" is a fictional concept '
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'really? so their is no absolute truth?'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'this here being itself might be absolute truth'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Coup de Calamar: 'There is always an absolute truth...it's how you interpret and use that truth that makes it NOT absolute'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quado nods.
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'world is round.. thats an absolute'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: '3 main religions of the world all come from the same father.. another absolute'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'evolution seeks pragmatic truth -- thus there are truths with agendas'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you cannot have truth without a lie.'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'appears you have a disconnect on what we are saying xyliz'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'wrong Dokkar'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'how so?'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Truth does not depend on lies'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Coup de Calamar: 'Xyliz always has a disconnect with anything anyone says Quado...I never feed that troll.'
T3/r3/2011-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'aw, wasn't aware of troll status'
T3/r3/2011-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'did the romans use brass nails or carpentry nails when they nailed jesus up to the cross ?'
T3/r3/2011-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and were they they flat nails you'd use for framing back then, or did they have a sharp edge like modern nails?'
T3/r3/2011-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'sigh, i guess maybe i should find a serial killer to ask ... you folks don't seem to have any answers'
T3/r3/2011-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'weak troll'
T3/r3/2011-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dagnir its a sincere question'
T3/r3/2011-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir goes, "SUUUUUUUURE...."
T3/r3/2011-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'one can't properly sketch torture scenes without knowing how best to re-enact ritualistically scenes of crucifications of st peter with everything but the positioning'
T3/r3/2011-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and the same for others in the hierarchy of the victims.'
T3/r3/2011-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: '^_^'
T3/r3/2011-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dagnir so uh... what keeps you up at nights?'
T3/r3/2011-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'insomnia'
T3/r3/2011-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'maybe like the old man in the madeleine story you just didnt do enough during the day?'
T3/r3/2011-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'me, i get some creepy creepy dreams ^_^'
T3/r3/2011-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/148027-dems-congress-styrofoam-cups-could-cause-cancer'
T3/r3/2011-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'working real hard it looks like'
T3/r3/2011-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Massacrer Macbeth: 'anyone saw/read Surviving 2012 and Planet X?'
T3/r3/2011-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'negative ghostwriter'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'ooo, the evil bankers are at it again - capping debit purchases to force cc usage.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'http://money.cnn.com/2011/03/10/pf/debit_cards_limit/index.htm'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Shrugs, they're getting their interchange fees capped in a couple of months.  They're looking for anything they can do to recoup the lost money.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, last I checked, visa and MC's terms disallowed capping their debit cards, so that'd be a bit difficult for them to pull off currently'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the fed just removed their ability to prohibit minimum credit purchases, but they do still prohibit you from having minimum purchases if you accept debit cards'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Who prohibits who?  They are saying the banks are going to impose the limits.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'visa owns the card, not the bank'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'That's basically saying you can't use electronic cash.  You must use Credit cards.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you want visa or MC logo, you must follow their rules'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Read the article.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I did'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'chase would be breaking their contract with visa/mc'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Now if only they'd pass a few laws to drop interest rates to nothing.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Should cap credit card interest at 10% imho.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'I guess will see how it actually plays out very soon.  I even get a rebate from my bank for making debit purchases.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's surprising from someone as big as chase who should know their agreements better...mom & pop shops have long had signs about minimum purchases even though that was breaking their merchant agreements until last month (and for most still is breaking it)'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'It's not just Chase....'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Heh, never, EVER bank with Chase.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Nods, place I worked actually charged different prices if you paid by credit card vs. check/cash.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'I love how the banks are calling it a loss by having interchange fees limited.  Hell, it's just digital gold for them.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's actually allowed, leinei, as long as you changed the same credit cost for any credit/debit-type transaction'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'err charged'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so couldn't have like visa/MC at one rate and amex at another'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Ah, I just always assumed they weren't allowed to do it.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Well, debit was a different rate than credit'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Time to go back to cash only.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'can't have credit and debit at a different rate'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Since credit fees are a %, and debit fees are a flat fee, if I'm not mistaken'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'So they charged more for using a credit card.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Nods, but then again, they did a bunch of stuff that wasn't allowed :P'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and whether you can charge different for cash/credit may also be governed locally...new york state outlawed it years ago'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm not sure if the NYS thing was across-the-board or gas station specific offhand, though'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'I always thought it was a complete failure that infrastructure was not developed for electronic cash separate from credit providers.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I dunno, I prefer the ambiguity with credit/debit cards'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Ambiguity?  I don't follow.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'non-separate, only difference between the two being one silk-screened word on the card'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'I think the problem is surfacing right now.  Faith was misplaced in credit institutions for debit use.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not really, they're not credit institutions in that case'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'They handle the transactions and should not.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes they should'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you want electronic cash, taking funds from your bank's account, yet you don't want your bank handling the transaction...'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'We'll just wait.  I don't think you are understanding what may be happening.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'any news on the plan to repace 1usd notes with coins?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '..should do 5 and 10 at the same time..'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cain killd Abelinc breaks out his toonies
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'i know a state out west has started minted gold coins again for valid currency.. can't remember which though'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'ran across the article a few days back.. lemme see if i can dig it up'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also, I think the article isn't quite right about hurting the people that need it most..people who can barely get credit cards are usually better off without them..'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, franklin mint strikes again'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'IBRD/IMF did float the idea of a gold-backed bancor last year'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'most articles talking about finance are wrong anyways as 'journalist' are not economist '
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'coming soon to a shop near you..silver coins replace the 100 dollar bill'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly.
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'should not be a surprise the green back is failing.. been saying this since they started monaterizing the debt after we were told they would not do that.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'That is the point Tinada, debit is *not* credit.  They are talking about forcing people to use credit.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'isn't the fee limit the same for credit cards? I mean, I know wall street wrote the bill, but surely there are limits to avarice'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'not sure what you mean?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Credit transactions are % based.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the interchange fee limit does not affect credit cards?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'no'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'vendors pay % per transaction'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'what a strange system'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what does the % come from?  amount of electricity used to calculate your transfer through the pre-existing network lines, how many volts for a 5 dollar purchase?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'And in essence, they are charging to use cash.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'amount of the charge'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'of course Norway has traditionally been 98% debit cards, what we call credit cards are debit cards, generally'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i guess the power industry might be the monopolizer here'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'say 1% of SALE price is the charge'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'thats why you can't compare how things are done in the states vs overseas.. completely different system top to bottom'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'at any rate the net effect of fee restriction on debit but not credit cards would be to move business from d to c and thereby almost certainly increase overall income for banks?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'If you can imagine spending a $20 bill and then being bank taxed for doing that...'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'grievance allowance for not paying the plastic bills to the electric company,'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'most business already run off credit..'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'time for Obama to reintroduce electronic ids and remove cash. Make everyone use a federal card!'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'um.. no.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'the 'federal' card is already here.. its call EBT or welfare'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also palm and iris scans'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think there should be some individual say on whether or not they want a laser tearing through their eyeball skin'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'alternative modes of travel'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or remove the neccessity for it'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yes, radiation's good for cancer, xray my body'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Meanwhile, thousands are protesting in many states over labor - extremely.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'you mean unions are making a ruckus..'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'not true tax payers making the ruckus'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'You repub...'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'no, '
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'i just understand economics'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'be all like the women painting the glow in the dark buttons for the tanks in ww2'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Oh, so you understand fucking over labor workers?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly.
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'You do realize there are multiple 'labor' groups in different sectors'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'Private unions are FINE.  Public unions are NOT'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'this is PUBLIC unions, not PRIVATE'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'well, the man-made beast can kiss my ass, but it seems to be the framework of world-wide masterminds, since they're only filling in the blanks'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Ah hell, let's just watch everything crumble and smile.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the general problem is public unions essentially voting in their own bosses and negotiating benefits that are unmatched in the private sector?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the 7 horns are 7 kings, the beast is symbolically 7 tyrants'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'yes tinada, you are exactly correct'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'public unions = gov't workers, vote for (democrats) who then in turn give SWEET, unfulfillable deals to the public unions'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'how much of democrat funding is from unions anyway?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'that is why the states are collapsing, to much unfunded liability to public workers'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'unions are the arm of the democrats'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'abdullah might be one'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'current beasts'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'which others are there'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'i would say 70% of the funding comes from public unions if not more'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alcman: 'union of unicorns!'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Gov jobs have been like that for a long time.  Nothing like standing in line for some shit, watching some fat lazy bastard do their cooler talk while not getting shit done.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'yes grizzler, so why are you defending them? lol'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Because it's not everyone.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'did they ever find the non-lookalike corpse of bin laden?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i wonder if the austrian money transfer was part of a lookalike hussein being killed'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Address the problems, not remove the protections.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'gov't does not create wealth, so gov't workers can not create wealth, all is done on the back of the private market tax payer.. so to say "i must pay public workers more then what i make" and if not im an 'racist' or whatever.. that is a bunch of people that don't know what is going on.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'did they ever find out what went wrong with the polish aircraft?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I thought Tim Osman had retired to Dubai'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'Grizz: im guessing you are referring to wisconsin? if so, think you need to read up a little more ;)'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'polish aircraft = too many eggs in same basket near a wolf'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'collective bargaining was removed on everything BUT salary.  So, tell me how what the left wing media is portraying is true? because its not'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Wisconsin?  Uhm, this is happening in several states.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'I know it is, and it needs to'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Union busting has been happenning in many sectors, not just gov.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'And the reward has been people losing job, lower pay, less benefits, and the few getting richer.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'what?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'man.. they got you flipped all which a way good don't they.. lol'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'I guess we can repeat history again.  You probably don't even know why and how unions formed to start.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'grizz, i have no doubt i know far more about unions then you with their political ties.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'what unions did 100 years ago does not constitute what they do today.  '
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Lol, don't get your knees busted.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they started for the same reason a russian citizen is out of work in favour of an illegal immigrant who works for 1/5 the wage'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and things like go blow yourself up for my train tracks'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'even the great lib leader FDR says public unions were wrong.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'i think your issue, is you do not know the difference between pub/private unions'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'i have no problem with private unions, but i have major issues with public unions'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'I am not seeking the clarification you are to justify busting unions.  It has been happening across the board.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'And no union should protect anyone who does not do their job.  That is a problem.  It does not mean destroy the union.  There is no reason why anyone who does not perform their job well should be protected.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'most union's i observed , like the iron workers, don't 'take it easy' on their members, if one's not doing their job there's another on call'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's not to say all unions or all instances of the iron workers are fair, but it's an example of what they should be'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Then there are the unions that do need reform'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'gov, teachers, etc. etc.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'But they should not be dismantled.  Then we will have to start all over again.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lol @ gov, this one quebec liberal senator has been suspended on paid leave for the last 3+ years because of accusations of fraud, getting a standard 150,000 dollar per year cheque, and using a government credit card to rack up over 3 million dollars in expenses'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i wonder how he's going to get away with paying that back'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'show me a more expensive union in your nation'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'The real history, not often talked about, in the formation of unions in the US was a very violent period.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'being part of the liberal union, even if you're a crook you get paid more than twice the earned wages of a man who erects your temples of an inferior union'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'viterra bought out the saskatchewan wheat board, which was a union for farmers'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'I don't know about "liberal" unions.  I only know about unions, people united.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'in 1940 every square mile of saskatchewan's landmass might house 4 families, each growing grain raising animals and stuff like that, now they're all in towns and all of that land is farmed by few farmers'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'say one guy with 245 sections of land, that's 245 square miles'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'think he does that all himself?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'The world is farmed by monopolies.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and the farmers who settled here (back around 1930 and prior) were largely given topsoil rights to the land, all the land under the topsoil owned by a man from the USA'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'who's the visionary who seen all of that potash and oil being excavated from here sooner or later'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'say in 1857'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'The US is full of dickwads.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Yep, all 300 million of us.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'every single one'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Ahem, it doesn't matter that their gm crop pollen blew in to your field.  They own it now.  Pfft.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'for some reason now, the provincial-owned potash corporations operating in southeastern saskatchewan and other areas of the province are in a supreme court battle with a australian man who thinks he owns it'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'is australia in canada?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what's this guys claim to fame'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Oh well, we live in a corrupt world.  We might as well get over it and submit.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then there's australia rumoured to be supplying china with nuclear materials, and canadians oil corporations are now following suit in discussions, saying china will pay them better than amerifca'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's nice to look at the corruption like a doctor or a insane patient'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'see a trend?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i do'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'They have us pretty well.  They have pretty much consolidated control over the food supply.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and you get paid alot of money for inventing devices that they can use to replace people, crushing that feeble codependent link of humanity from the equation'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'like a kennel of slaves'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Hah!  I don't make that shit.  I grow veggies in my back yard.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Oh, I planted apple trees out front.  Anyone hungry is free to pick them.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if the government had your best interests in mind, with the professionals that they get their advice from, would they be pursuing like a juggernaut practices that are scientifically proven to destroy the migratory patterns and reproductive abilities of butterflies/bees and other natural sources of pollination?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'are they aware of it? sure'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's all kids of articles availalbe from the universities and nasa and other institutions detailing hive-android-replica's of biological beings that used to be part of the food chain'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'do they try to mitigate the source of destruction and replace it with better practices, or do they allow full propagation and fruition of destruction?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'I promote local wildlife in my urban area by providing resources for it.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'What you are saying is largely the problem.  Our government is supposed to be for the people by the people.  The masses have been brainwashed in to expecting the government to do things for them when they are supposed to be doing things.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the biggest dam in the world is in china, so energy hungry they were that they put millions of people out of their homes of flooded land and destroyed their lifestyle forever'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's a smaller scale example of this damnation in british columbia recently, where the local people protested a dam being built, like they protested natural gas wells being poked into their property'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but the government over-ruled them and hired some non-local union workers to build it'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and then they paste all over the canadian media that the man blowing up natural gas pipes is a terrorist, while there's evidence that he had knowledge that mass-destruction and only an inconvenience would be caused by his actions'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Corruption is ripe.  Seriously, do the little part that you can.  If everyone did their little part, it would be enormous.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'You can't fight against billion dollar corporations and the funds they use to corrupt our "representatives".  Just focus on what you can do.  You will be happier for it.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'in so far as ordinary people can do anything, look at local and state elections'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'every one of those corporations is ran by a man who claims to be human, or a woman'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that is more realistic than overcoming the one dollar one vote system that seems to exist on the federal level :('
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'off to reptilian androids from nibiriu'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, what a choice...to be human or a woman }:>'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'man or woman is what i meant'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I know :-)'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but you see that dividing line being legalized prostitution and send your children to war more and more every day'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'satans sex slaves from playboy might be another visionary action, hmm'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Grow some food.  Promote wildlife.  Recycle.  Say hi to your neighbor.  Share.  Buy as wisely as you can.  Ignore fictitious boundaries and make friends across the world.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the Oprah Winfrey show is exposing a horrific sodom (and gomorra) epidemic in the USA'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'that an allegedly Christian nation (USA) is infected with an epidemic of debauchery and victimisation'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(is Oprah Winfrey doing a "Jerry Springer")'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'bad definition of "forgiveness" from Oprah Winfrey - she sold out to the depraved'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i heard her discussing spirituality once on tv, and had an audience member in tears cause she seemed to be blaspheming jesus or some ideology involving him'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i wonder if she ever delved into islam or not on her shows'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'would be interesting to research, seeing as how there's corporate ties with some saudi arabian's and american media corps'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the smuggly-satisfied-with-the-past Oprah Winfrey stated that "forgiveness is giving up the desire that the past may be changed, (and moving on with life)" - since she is "rich", of course she selfishly does not want the past to change -- and thus Oprah Winfrey is extremely-biased, perhaps even depraved-and-debauched attempting to anchor the iniquities of the past'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'The human "Jesus" died around 90 years before the Christian (mythical) Jesus Christ was allegedly born.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Lies feed lies.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'The Christian (mythical) Jesus Christ is based on pagan myths and pagan folklore'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'when people believe lies are true then they become a problem, when lies are actually truths in disguise delivered as a psychological trick that truth may be the hook that leads the formerly differentiated class into deception'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'why does god need to hide behind a priest? '
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't mind some teachers, but alot of them seem full of their own abilities in self-deception'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PastamanT: 'god is not hiding behind a priest, the priest helps communicate to the masses'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'and the lies are believed...'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PastamanT: 'there are misconceptions and imperfections, but God exists'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Prove it.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PastamanT: 'have faith'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PastamanT: 'and he will show himself'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Oh shit...'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PastamanT: 'im dropping out of this topic, i dont want to get controversial'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'otherwise known as "i've got no proof, so will claim you must believe, because millions of others do"'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Lol, it's the debate channel and you just failed.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine, you seem to be posting undigested crap copied from somewhere -- "formerly differentiated class" is a seeming-nonsense'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'no that's actually from my mind, formerly differentiated from the obvious lies to some being believed and the difference is the lies in the second case being based on reality but taken as lies, ensnaring people in a real deception'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'one was a hollow tale fabricated and believed, the other was a real tale abstracted and taken for false'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or true'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine, post the weblink or name of book from where you are copying that crap'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'most people can't understand me, which is not my fault'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'When people say, "God" or "Oh God..." they are substituting for that which they do not understand.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'It is a very convenient and powerful tool.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'those folk are merely imitating what others say in similar situations'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Yes.  It would be much better to simply say, "I don't know but I hope..."'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's a sentence or two discussing the history and meat of mathematics and their origins from the new york university which discusses subtle mythology being ignorantly ingrained within scientific and philosophical research'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that was back when einstein was still alive'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's a similar thing to what i mean about the latter case'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'most people might not be aware of that fact'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you'd have to see it from my perspective to understand, and i can't show you through me what i see'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Indoctrination works best at a young age or in desperate times, when people are asking "Why?"'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'if you are unable to communicate to others, then maybe your beliefs in a defective form with regard to communication'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'wtf?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'babbling a cacophony of partially incoherent nonsense, (and then stating that personal perpective is required, is more inadequate nonsense)'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"less is (often) more"'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Speaking of a bunch of nonsense'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'would you be willing to eliminate dollar bills and switch to coins if it meant improving the country's balance sheet?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Nothing wrong with coins, imo'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'I don't see how the same shit from the fed in any form would fix anything.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'coins wear faster, we'd be saving 5.5 billion over 30 years.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'ooo la la'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'err, paper wears faster I mean.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'whoever came up with save x over y years instead of save z (per year) should hang for his heinous crimes'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods quietly to himself.  What a wacko.
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'The problem is that the federal reserve is a PRIVATE banking institution granted way to many powers.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Gotta love the use of "federal" to legitamize them.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Jekyll Island baby'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'There is hardly anything wrong with having a central bank, though. Also, although they mostly started out as private entities, they don't have more power than the local government gives them today'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the jekyll island story should be compulsory reading, so no one ever has blind faith in the system..'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Local?  Fuck, the federal gov gives them power (the same name they play off).'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but should the people organizing the central bank be paid more than the people who put money into it, so that people don't bust into their houses and rob them?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't see why'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I mean local as opposed to global, I blame post-midnight language failure'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'The important thing is they were never given any power by the people or representation.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'this is a central bank now, what about a local bank that is secured by a local police force which is hand selected by citizens there and sent to a sub-centralized police training facility'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'even the cops then might think twice before breaking the laws they profess'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Where in the world do people select the police?  Not in the US for sure.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'should the local bank pay homage to the central bank, beyond its means?  causing a neccessary rising in the bankers paycheques'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'oh, that's right.  You're from Mayberry.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'not in canada either'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Chicago's no place to be giving the locals all your money.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'depends what kind of people you got representing the locals, are they hooked on drugs or making money through stealing from others?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i imagine even chicago has some decent people in it, like any other place'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's what i liked about indian tribes, they'd take a wise elder among them who has his peoples best interests in mind and that would be one of their community's advisor's'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if this elder was stealing from them left and right then he wouldn't be an elder at all'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Please.  Chicago is such an old story from the days of prohibition.  Today, it is everywhere else that is more corrupt than Chicago.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'how many indian elders do you know who are representative for, say, a couple million people who might not ever set eyes on him except on a tv screen?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's where you get a localized government happening and a centralized group of representatives of the locals, who are as honestly chosen as the local's'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and why would any level of this teepee be exalted higher than another in their paycheques besides the amount of effort they put into their job, like actual work moving a pen on a poiece of paper or hauling 250 lb logs out of a forest for 10 hours a day'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you need a doctor, a doctor needs food and a house'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'a carpenter and a farmer is required'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if you got honest people representing each level of that type of government then it would endure'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'I don't know about all your rambling there.  As far as locals selecting people fairly, there is a problem once corruption is ripe.  They will elect corrupt representatives.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and set an example for other governments'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'depends who you got voting and what the opposition is saying is rotten about one another, track records, 1 million graveyard voters for 2 rich men in the community who want to exploit the 8000 honest voters'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'It's called a fight when you reach that point.  Yes, we are in the middle of that now.  Don't think so?  Look at Mexico, look at the US behavior with them (half law enforcement - half selling arms/buying drugs).'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'for them to get away with that, the top of the teepee without levels has to be corrupt and let it pass their judgement'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so you have a square 0 there'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Hell, a couple cops in my town got caught tipping off the county prosecutor he was under investigation for his personal drug use.  If you don't think things have gone that far, they have a job for you in Orlando.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there'll always be resistance to corruption, i think if somebody is sternly against something it's because somewhere they perceive a real flaw that drives them to lunacy, and while others might consider this one a scape goat this scape goat may be like a antibiotic attempting to clean up a virus in the body the society they live in'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'some people are disillusioned, some aren't quite sure what exactly is the entire problem but have an idea of a part of it, but there is a problem and as long as that problem isn't properly addressed there will be chaos'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'The end of the story is people getting rich at any cost.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and now you mention high level corruption, would that be like the central nervous system?  the dispatcher and confounder of the efforts of the beneficial agents'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'analogies by the incoherent are viewed er discarded by the audience as likely to be even more incoherent'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'now we have something like a autoimmune social disease'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'necro, you get a little to creative with your language.  Keep it simple.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the snake-oil analogies on the quack Dr Oz show are so bad, that smart folk tune out those bad analogies immediately'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't find it too difficult to picture society as a body with its various parts, i'm not a anatomist though only a metaphorical analyzer'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Dr. Oz airs live in the middle of the day.  Smart people are far too busy to watch, and would rather do something more interesting in their free time than watch a talk show.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'ouch, i have a cut, send some clotting agents, no this cut makes us money, halt the agents'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz watches the Dr Oz show while wasting-time playing Aardwolf
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'I've never even heard of this show.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'he's like a medical version of Dr. Phil'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's a hawaiian religion i read about that might be a form of shamanism, but they observed the world in a similar way'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if you can source it, maybe i can read over it again, but i can't find it on the internet anymore'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'I do know that meth/heroine/etc is creating an absolutely insane element in our society.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a lot of the advice on the Dr Oz show is excellent, but the snake-oil-quack-analogy-prop-demonstrations are painfully bad to watch'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'What is frightening is that more than 25% of college students have done meth.  What does that say about those not attending college?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'meth is okay in moderation - no damaging longterm effects'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what's as frightening as that (college is different than university granted) is how these 25% of college students may not have observed the laboratory research done in the USA on how entrapped a lab rat (without an immune system tm) is after having those extreme doses of dopamine inserted into its body'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Oh shit...you just don't know do you?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'gets itself so high the first time and then can't ever get that high again, the world around the user loses color as all natural occurring domanine stimulating practices don't reach that same level of rush'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then the rat eventually kills itself'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they say even sex isn't satisfying to a meth addict, i guess they found the same in animals too, though humans seem to be considered lab rats in this case along with the untaught research'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what sane person would inject or inhale crystal meth after knowing what it does to their brain chemistry?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i guess there are some, but alot of them may be hay, try this out, then they try it and can't untry it'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the same type of person who would inhale smoke into their lungs.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i do that, but i'm only crazy like the people who put radioactive materials into it'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if you knew what smoke inhalation leads to, you'd have to be pretty insane to do tobacco or cannabis.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'meth was around in the 1960s and in largescale use - plenty of human-evidence -- the false-information conclusions from biased-testing of lab-rats is a liar-scare-tactic'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's like painting radioactive paint onto buttons in glow in the dark tanks and dying of cancer while knowing the people who made the paint had alternatives but decided to kill you'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'tens of thousands of canadian women died from that iirc'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'and hopefully eliminated a lot of defective females fom the gene-pool'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'A meth head loses everything.  They steal, rob, commit violent crimes, and destroy themselves very quickly.  There is no casual use.  Every meth user will collapse.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'I guess that is why it was originally called Nazi crank.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Grizzler, you seemed biased with those liar-scare-tactics  (since there are many prior meth-users that turned out okay)'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'germany invented heroine, PCP (angel dust)'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what else'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'I'm not biased.  I live with the reality of it around me.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they say britain went to war with china twice because china tried to prohibit the propagation of opium among its people , and now laos and areas near there are athe main suppliers of both electronics and heroine'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i guess it's like a form of vengeance if you look at it like that'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'though what does canada have to do with that?  colonized by britain i guess'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Look at afghanistan, they give their kids opium so they don't cry.  The nation is addicted.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they don't.  They give them opium because a snake-oil salesman promised them they'd get 72 virgins.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: '"they don't", except they do no matter how it was instituted.  You can't say they don't.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dokkar gets his hip-hop on and goes "Holla, Akbar!"
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'And, it makes it here.  I have been closer to heroin death than I ever wanted to be.  I had no idea.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'necroshine, I know you see a difference between college/university.  However, that is not what those statistics say.  They do say that over 6,000 students next to me have done meth.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'drugs are not a problem if the users never get behind a wheel.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'You must be a dealer.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'If you sold meth to my kid, I'd kill you.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Remember, things are pretty shaky in society.  Corruption is rampant.  If things fall apart, well, read some history.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and more on tobacco, in its additives (from non-natural plants if there's such a thing any longer, the end product) include several neurotoxins and inhibitors of logic gates in the brain which by default would be working to resist addiction to nicotine, but while suppressed increase that addiction several times over'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then who's to say what a radioactive element and a chemical they use to hold biological tissue samples in stasis for a century mixed in , their purposes are?  what kind of mutation does it cause in the body of the addict and what is preserved while relatively dead?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's not even plain nicotine and tar killing people, it's actual ingredients that are specifically formulated to murder their ability to use their brain that kills people'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'll be crazy with that'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'unnamed "actual ingredients" are fictional ingredients (a la McCarthy)'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine is attempting a "McCarthyism"'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'No, not really crazy.  Tobacco companies have been growing drugs in their plants for a long time.  Even on a simple basis, they were treating tobacco with ammonia so it would release a "stronger hit" of nicotine.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'no, i'm reiterating materials that i read on government research and scientific research websites'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the Republicans are liars -- the USA government is likely a liar where drugs are concerned'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Coup de Calamar: 'Such a fact based argument you got there.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'President GWBush was and is a liar, Republicans supported the liar GWBush,  Republicans are liars'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Coup de Calamar: 'Again, your facts are flawless. Way to present them.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'usually there's no flawless votes in any political party, there's a majority and a minority, saying that minority is the same as the majority isn't really justified'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Death is profitable.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'The Daily Show and the Colbert Report regularly highlight the corrupt double-standards of Republicans and their supporters'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Coup de Calamar: 'Right...and they aren't biased at all. They're COMEDIANS. Clearly that's good politics.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Coup de Calamar claps half-heartedly for Xyliz, clearly unimpressed.
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Someone has to sell the oil.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Coup de Calamar: 'Again, your ignorance shines through.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they also laugh and brush aside criticism by saying they're on a network that plays cartoons and stand-up comedy'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Coup de Calamar rapidly nods twice at Dokkar, in complete agreement.
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'The Dily Show is actually a serious news show, presenting actual news in a comedic satire format '
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Coup de Calamar: 'lol okay. If you say so'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that's like saying The O'Reilly Factor is a real news show.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'If that is what we have come to for reliable sources, ahhh fuck.  I mean, I know the MSM is bad, but comedy shows?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you can get news from them, yes, but both are clearly commentary shows'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Coup de Calamar: 'O'Reilly is an opinion program, as is Hannity. If you want ACTUAL news, you watch the day time stuff for Fox News. Never watch MSNBC though...all lefties, all the time.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Fox News?  Are you fucking serious?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'yes'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'You just lost all credibility.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Coup de Calamar: 'Clearly I didn't make myself clear... O'REILLY AND HANNITY ARE OPINION! Actual news is the daytime stuff.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the numbers don't lie, you Dems seem so into that sort of thing.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'I'm not a "dem".  I'm not a repubtard either.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Coup de Calamar: 'You actually think for yourself? Bravo. MSNBC must've taught you that :P'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'I prefer to read several news sources and MSNBC is not one of them.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Is this supposed to be political debate, or who-is-my-favorite network fanboyism?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Coup de Calamar: 'No political debate here. Just random bullshit spouting going on.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'For the record, I have presented no networks.  Find your own.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Coup de Calamar: 'You didn't present, but didn't hesitate to bash Fox News...Hmm...'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Dice) (Debate): Dokkar rolls 10 dice with 100 sides each - total dice roll is 427.
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that was an example of political debate.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Who in their right mind would not bash Fox Shit?  They have been SO biased to even go so far as lying.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I can't help but notice that your political debate is less than average. ;)'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Coup de Calamar: 'Well, we know where Grizzler's allegiance is. :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'who in their right mind watches any of those propaganda shows'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'when it comes to politics, in fact, I don't bother voting with my pocketbook, my moral code, or for any particular cause hoping for change.  Just me and my trusty magic 8-ball.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Calamar, you don't really.  But we know you suck Fox dick now.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Coup de Calamar: 'I didn't vouch for Fox at all, just merely stated what shows were opinion and when to watch for non-opinion. You didn't actually rebut any of that statement, just proceeded to call Fox shit :P'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'speaking of which, I think I might need a new 8-ball.  Mine told me to vote for Obama, so I did.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Coup de Calamar comforts Dokkar.
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Coup de Calamar: 'You can right the wrong soon enough :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Fox has a long history of "blunders" and misrepresentation.  They are only loved by ... I won't say.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'maybe.  Remember, I vote with a magic 8-ball.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Coup de Calamar: 'k, Grizz'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'by dems, who have more important things to report on--like Charlie Sheen and what's going down for White House date night.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'No, it's not okay.  Fox News is on record for being blatantly biased.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Coup de Calamar: 'K'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'all sides are.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Fucking repubtard teabaggers.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'this is why I vote with the 8-ball instead of because of any real beliefs.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Fox News is attempting to prove that republicans may fool all of the republicans all of the time'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'You are part of the extremism in the US.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Coup de Calamar rolls on the floor laughing at Grizzler's antics!
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I'm not a muslim.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'they need to make one party already.. taking sides is dumb'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Do you really think "not being a muslim" means that you can not be extremist?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'do you wear aluminum foil grizz?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"although you can't fool all of the ppl all of the time, if those that are not fooled are in a minority ..."'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'yes, I do.  In case you've missed the memo, every other religion has gone through their insane terrorist phase already.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'How about your bro that went nuts in AZ?  Yeah, he wasn't a muslim for sure!'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Coup de Calamar: 'Those damn Christian suicide bombers are killing everyone!'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Catholicism even fell into "reverse terrorism", which they still practice to this day.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'How about Timothy?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'How about you abortion doctor shooters?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Guess what?  They are all fucking terrorists!!!!!!'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'my 8-ball chimed in and said to say that on the debate channel'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'what is "reverse terrorism"'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Yeah, that's right.  We have had more radical right wing terrorism in the US than from any other country.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'You harbor terrorists.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'a Protestant and a Catholic each are sitting in a room when the lights go out.  The Protestant will get up and change the light bulb, but the Catholic will sit there in the dark wondering what he did to piss God off.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'GWBush was a terrorist'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'this whole country was founded on terrorism.  It's how we've won pretty much all of the wars we were involved in.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'How many right wing racists fuckers are sitting on stockpiles of ammunition?  Way to many...'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Coup de Calamar: 'Sure glad I don't listen to this channel for any factual information...'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'No, just go to the FBI.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'There are occasionally good dicussions on here.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: '... just not today.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'being that it's a protected right in the highest legal document of the land, who's the dumbass here?  The guy with lots of guns and ammo or the guy who doesn't have any?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'because the stance you're taking now is that HAVING guns and ammo is wrong and leads to terrorism.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'The dumbass with a hate agenda that wants to kill people for racially motivated reasons.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'like the raging progressives?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Coup de Calamar: 'If we're listening to Grizzler...the only "dumbass with the hate agenda" is a right-wing racist fuck. None of the leftist/progressives have an agenda like that. None.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Keep defending domestic terrorists :)  You do know that is the number one security priority right now, right?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'nope, obtuse audience here'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'I say again, the number one priority.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that is why the Wisconsin rioting is so relevant.  It's not domestic.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Coup de Calamar: 'Border control wouldn't be #1, nor would be radical muslim terrorists hell-bent on destroying any western nation. Right...'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'I'm so glad this is all open traceable text.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'number one priority of republicans is taxcuts for the extremely rich'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Radicalization against muslim americans is also a big issue.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'good.  It needs to get much MORE of an issue.  We need muslims to be freakin' scared to be in the US.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's radicalization against a belief system that people adhere to due to the very researched and available data and realities played out today in places where islam is the #1 religion and other faiths are nonexistant or being destroyed by extremists that somehow always rise out of it'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'indonesia, saudi arabia, yemen, nigeria, ..., sri lanka'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'another priority of republicans is to fool more Americans into believing that Barack Obama is an alien and not a bona-fide american'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Dokkar, noted that you are an extremist.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'fnord'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's the #1 religion in those places, so do some research and show what is the difference between that and a place like america where most people were christians of some demonination or identity, and their main outbursts were against homosexuality and didn't typically involve decapitation, destruction of temples and humiliation, denial of human rights legislated'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that's the MO of Islam.  They follow the example of Genghis Khan--convert, enslave, or kill the infidel.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Islam is a blatantly terrorist religion based on a Koran with blatantly terrorist verses'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if they can't get a grip on a non-murderous plot arising from their religion in those nations where it's said to have existed for over 15 centuries, then how do you think america will ?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '15 centuries of failure, 45 year king'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe it was only 5 centuries'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'MO == modus operandi'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Wow, ignorance and hate is strong amongst two people.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'who can say?  why make the entire world plagued by compulsive ignorance'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's easier to seize power that way.  Islam doesn't say kill the infidel, it just says to do so if you cannot get them to convert or allow subjugation.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but that's where the charles manson politics come in'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Islamic terrorism would stop tomorrow if everyone joined the cult.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'some of the Koran versions on the internet are heavily censored to remove the terrorist verses '
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'because there may be some good teachers of it that teach the good parts and leave the bad militant parts out of their teaching'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'And what do your extreme christian values say Dokkar?  Follow Jesus or be damned to hell?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryu: 'Xyliz do you occasionally get people who pat you on the head, and you dont understand why? '
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but there's also pretenders, so how the hell are you gonna weed them out?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Muslims terrorise and abuse muslims'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Muslims terrorise abuse and cripple muslims'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the sufi teachers of islam didn't seem to be the militant type from what i read about them, but they were destroyed by those other parts'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryu: 'Jek inlane skating is dead'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Personally, I think all you extreme Christians and Muslims are fucked in the head.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's daily death tolls in saudi arabia and yemen constant border wars between facets of this religion, different teachers and interpretations, one the kings the other labelled radical'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'why do you want to bring that into america?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'when i was a kid a man almost beat his wife in front of me because i seen her hair, you see i went to school with a pakistani boy named muhammed, and walked home with him one day'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i seen his mothers hair and the father thought god was going to beat him up'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'this is in canada'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we had some honor killings in the US a few weeks ago.  Real "stoning the whore wife for being raped" kind of stuff.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'nothing very honorable about it is there'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'did the author observe how god didn't care who a rock fell on from the sky or a cliff then say that's how to best do gods work or what?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'dunno yet.  They're trying for the freedom of religion angle, so it could be years before anything comes to trial.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'This is the US.  Some nutjob cut is wife's head off.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's fucked up'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'was he a muslim'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'yes'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Was the last abortion shooter Christian?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'on facebook sometime ago a group of people who celebrate their national/religious holidays in british columbia had one of their members attempt to rally his followers to murder a politician there'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'because the politician believed in freedom of religious expression and went to these gatherings to display that, they seen a weakness in him and were going to murder him'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Hell, what the fuck?  Let's all just get to business and kill each other :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the last shooter, period, was Christian.  Despite not having an official religion, 15 out of every 10 americans happen to believe they follow some version of Jesus Christ's teachings within the Christian faith umbrella.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: '15 out of every 10 sounds high'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'does Sharia law permit beheadings of the wives of nutjobs'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Really high'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '19% of Americans believe that they are in the top 1% of money earners'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Other than the Haitians, you're not an American just because you crossed a border.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'The christian percentage probably wouldn't be so high if there weren't 13 million illegal catholic immigrants.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'dokkar, you idiot.  Your family crossed the border.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Sharia law does in fact allow for the beheading of nutjobs.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'ah, the wife of the nutjob was herself a nutjob'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the tale ov vlad the impaler is interesting, i wonder if the beheading mania picked up pace around his days or not'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'mine did, yes.  But they all crossed via Ellis Island.  They were polite and considerate enough to ask first before complaining about conditions here.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'dokkar, YOU FUCKING IMMIGRANT!  GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY COUNTRY!'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'a religion he was raised around might have inspired the rest of his actions, you think?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'go butcher your own chicken some day and see what it feels like to cut off somethings head, maybe then consider that in light of those around you, is that something you think god would enjoy?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'nah, Vlad was just crazy like that.  Bloodthirsty muslims ripping apart his boyhood haunts was just a convenient excuse.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i guess which god you follow huh, murder worship atheism or maybe some kind of demon, or the being that gave your victim life'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'God was made in My image.  What he cares about is what I partake of.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'he cares how you help others'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'do not go butcher a chicken if you never did before -- Necroshine is depraved offering that advice (of butchering chickens)'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'ergo, if I can make peace with myself and the consequences of my actions I will stroll into Heaven like I own the place.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'dokkar, seriously though, Christians never went around terrorizing and slaughtering people?  And they don't anymore?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i meant a literal kentucky fried chicken type of chicken, consumed worldwide for bodily sustenance, not a cannibal human procedural metaphor'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they did, about 500+ years ago.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'What about the past 50 years?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'just saying it's not pretty and not something that any sane person would want to do or cause others to do'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'to other people'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'no one with real grasp of christ's gospel would murder anyone'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Grizzler, are you saying that the gruesome Crusades never happened'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Oh Modi, I think you are correct.  That does not mean people do not use the name for their own ends.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'well, there was Hitler, and because Christianity is by far the most populous religion globally (at least, it was for most if not all of those 50 years) you could make the spurious case that pretty much most of all the heinous criminals of note were Christian.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Xyliz, what?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'you call hitler a christian?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'but if you do that, you cannot avoid the notion that the modern muslim is in fact a terrorist or a sympathetic supporter therein.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'because he thought he was, or?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they say hitler was raised in a orthodox catholic family background, and obsessed with the occult - they also say vlad the impaler had links to the vatican'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Ok Dokkar, now we know you are smoking something.  Christianity has NEVER been the most populous religion.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's alot of other schools of belief that came from christianity, divisions like the pentacostals, seventh day adventists and angelicans'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but you don't see them, other than in the movie Needful Things by Stephen King, burning down one anothers existances because they believe a certain thing is wrong or right'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'similar schism riddles the muslims.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so long as that certain thing doesn't involve mortality, like you mention abortio'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's alot of people who are strongly against that, even cree indians'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Stephen King books and movies suck'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and I assume a similar splintering has occurred amongst the jews, though all I know of are the hasidics.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'It's okay Dokkar.  A lot of people grow up in the "back woods".  You can still educate yourself if you choose.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Just something to think about (and I am a dog owner/lover), there are people that eat puppies.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'there are also people who eat people in cultures where that's not wrong or is in fact celebrated.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quiet Nuala: 'Chuck Norris or Clint Eastwood and why - go!'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'there are a few more who have such ideals as part of "the old ways".'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Shut up and Shut up and not why, go!'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'clint eastwood has a gun'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Grizzler gnaws on dokkar's bones.
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'but chuck may be bulletproof, dunno'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Chuck Norris has elite military expertise.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I'll go with JCD, though.  He's got advanced cybernetics on his side to make up for his lack of ChuckFu.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quiet Nuala sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'Steven Seagal eats Chuck Norris flakes for breakfast.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quiet Nuala: 'Clint Eastwood because his pistol is at LEAST 10 inches long.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quiet Nuala goes ooOOooOOoo.
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quiet Nuala starts moaning.
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Grizzler grins evilly.
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if that's your yardstick, I'll have to answer with Jack Nicholson.  His gun (as The Joker in Batman), reached all the way down his pants leg.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'omfg, I am agreeing with Dokkar.  Jack is the shit.  Can we all be friends now?'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quiet Nuala: 'This Aylor needs an enima!'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'I still put Steven 2nd and Chuck dead last off the map.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quiet Nuala gasps in astonishment.
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quiet Nuala: 'I'm going for Gary Busey because he can chew his way through anything...'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grizzler: 'However, I do think Steven would kick Jack's ass.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'nah, Busey's nothing.  However, you really shouldn't mess with his Dark Companion.'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'there are lots of mediocre muds out there - reinventing a mud is a lot of work that is unlikely to amount to anything'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'when a nonprogrammer wants to code a mud -- wry smirk'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos takes notes.
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Genie Awards show that Canadian movies suck'
T3/r3/2011-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"moisturisers actually cause the skin to become drier"'
T3/r3/2011-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i agree'
T3/r3/2011-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'any good conspiracy theories on the japanese disaster bukkake?'
T3/r3/2011-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '?!'
T3/r3/2011-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Torunkes: 'supermoon this month pulling tactonic plates harder than ever'
T3/r3/2011-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I was with you up to that last word, Dagnir.'
T3/r3/2011-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the earthquake was caused by (1) US geoengineering weapons / HAARP, (2) the hadron collider, (3) someone stacked too many japanese govt bonds on the same part of the island'
T3/r3/2011-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i think it describes the situation well'
T3/r3/2011-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oh, man'
T3/r3/2011-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the particle punisher must be it!'
T3/r3/2011-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I liked the 3rd option myself'
T3/r3/2011-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Godzilla is rising from the sea.'
T3/r3/2011-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Cthulhu might count as a conspiracy theory, not sure about Godzilla'
T3/r3/2011-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'godzilla is real, duh'
T3/r3/2011-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fluffled Salvanas is agreeing with that Dispel Majic person again...
T3/r3/2011-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Cthulhu isn't real?!?!!'
T3/r3/2011-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada just licked Dispel Majic's hand. Interesting.
T3/r3/2011-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn'
T3/r3/2011-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'hm..wrong social'
T3/r3/2011-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada inflicts his nauseating cuteness upon Dispel Majic.
T3/r3/2011-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'gezunteit'
T3/r3/2011-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'telepathic dagon clones from the balls of leviathan might be possible.. maybe cthulhu's just more evolved than us'
T3/r3/2011-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'la! la! cthulhu fhtagn!'
T3/r3/2011-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'La?  This isn't a Christmas carol!  It's 'Ia!''
T3/r3/2011-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'shit'
T3/r3/2011-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the letters look similar enough :P'
T3/r3/2011-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'have godzilla or cthulhu made it to the coast yet?'
T3/r3/2011-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'perhaps they are fighting eachother?'
T3/r3/2011-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'd bet on cthulhu'
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'according to the 2003 National Assessment of Adult Literacy, 13% of adult americans are "proficient" readers'
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): GhostSoul goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the prose part had 13% below basic, 29% basic, 44% intermediate, 13% proficient'
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and, amusingly..45% of adults with "below basic" reading skills had graduated from high school'
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that is .. odd'
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'because its not a true stat.. not hard to see'
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not really odd...factors in it: (1) WHEN did they graduate HS, and (2) where did they get this cross-section of tested people'
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: '#2 i bet is the answer'
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'from the website: In 2003, over 19,000 adults participated in the national and state-level assessments, representing the entire population of U.S. adults who are age 16 and older, most in their homes and some in prisons from the 50 states and the District of Columbia. Approximately 1,200 inmates of federal and state prisons were assessed in order to provide separate estimates of literacy for the incarcerated population.'
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so almost 10% of the participants were in jail, I'd bet another good chunk were on public assistance, group homes, etc'
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quado nods.
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'but how would they manage to graduate from high school if they couldn't read?'
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that doesn't work in Norway'
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it doesn't say they couldn't read'
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it says that they didn't meet a particular level of proficiency'
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'indeed, it says "no more than the most simple and concrete literacy skills", but nevertheless'
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'and who decides what is simple and concrete literacy skills?'
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and does that definition of "graduated from high school" include GED?'
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '20 years ago, people graduating HS certainly couldn't read as well as a 7th grader today'
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quado: 'they didn't need to be able to..'
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they likely were more well-read back then in the variety of books read as curriculum, but the vocabulary wasn't shoved down their throats to the degree that the PSAT/SAT demand today'
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'was the circumcision ritual invented by moses's wife where she cut off his foreskin and said 'a bloody husband thou art'?  i guess all adoptees of the ritual for non-medical reasons inherit the part of moses in society'
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or what do you figure?'
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'thou shalt not kill, kill every man woman and child in the city sayeth the priest of the lord of the moses'
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what kind of law does having your penis cap snipped put you under'
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Riddim: 'The abrahamic covenant'
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'witchcraft covenant?'
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'pact with the forked tongue god'
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the son shall not be punished for the sins of the father, no lets eat your baby today we'll eat mine some other day, while under siege'
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe they were female baby's, as only male geneologies count in the bible'
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'thou shalt not kill, those enemies of mine, bring them here before me and kill them in front of me'
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if you love me, do my commandments (fragmented bible quotes)'
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'namely thou shalt not edit the bible, last verses of revelations'
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'to determinate who's the real chosen of god (who is no respecter of people according to the book of god) (s), we have to find the corpse of the original pact maker and examine his dna, then compare that to all of the claiming people'
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then we have to consider jacob and esau, jacob's the one who carried on the flag of chosen ones of god isn't he'
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'esau the wild man, who was slandered by jacob, who lied to his dying father to claim esau's inheritance'
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so finding esau's remains then would determine who the real chosen people of the flesh covenant of god would be how to go about it'
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'jacob the devil and his descendants'
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'jacob and judas iscariot and satan, how do they differ in characteristics'
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'are i a child of cain or a child of seth'
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the one who came after abel, no reports of cain's incest with eve recorded'
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how did the egyptian exile in the desert become named seth from the hieroglyphs, and align with the bible stories 3rd son'
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the exodus is these people who are mysteriously enslaved by pharoah, with death of all children from the god who later claims that the son shall not be punished for the sins of the father through moses, who claimed god would genocide all the firstborns who didn't splatter their doorframes with blood -> serpent on a stick <- venture into the desert where they are fed man'na from heaven, which is later expounded upon and defined perhaps in david's book of psalms where man'na is demystified'
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'for he realizes that we are but dust'
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so .. egyptian version of the devil, or analogue to seth or what'
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'books of riddles coming from a god of the simple things'
T3/r3/2011-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it just never made much sense to me'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DuneStar: 'lets debate something'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DuneStar: 'anyone here'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how about how come they say the value of the canadian dollar went up, and everything you buy with it also went up in price, but minimum wage remains the same and the job market is unavailable without a liscence'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'in most area's where you don't live next door to crackheads'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'while canada uses a small fraction of the oil it produces in a year, and australia is attempting to buy saskatchewans potash corporation, crown owned'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DuneStar: 'lets start small'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'is that big?'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DuneStar: 'yes'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'ok, how about the canadian soldiers of all provinces who (from this viking landed first land before columbus and stuff), went to france to fight the germans in ww2, and canada has a member of parliament from quebec who is a fond supporter of quebec becoming a area of france, who lives in france'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'by the name of ignatieff'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'quebec also houses a politician who for over 3 and a half years now has been on paid leave under accusations of fraud, getting a standard 150,000 dollar per year pay cheque, and a unlimited tax-payer funded credit card that he spent over 3 million dollars of'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DuneStar: 'how about nothing canadian     aye'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think that ignatieff should be ashamed of himself, i bet he wasn't drafted into the army or his ancestors'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and if he was, why does he live in france and dictate canada'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DuneStar: 'how about the civil war in libya'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's their problem, as long as they're not on some holy crusade to destroy the world and instead would like a fair society not dictated by somebody who doesn't practice what they preach then good luck to them'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'canada sent out some support to the area to assist wounded people and refugees'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DuneStar: 'No more canada:e'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'why obsess over libya, when the majority of connections to the server are american and not from africa'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the news plays it repeatedly enough'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i like to debate things that the news avoids'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I thought you were one of the Fox News raggers?'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DuneStar: 'ok lets debate japan and the earth quake, tsunami and nuclear meltdown'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'let's not, no sense in tempting the Lord and causing him to visit us Japanese-style'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DuneStar: 'how about we debate china and their execively large army'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'has anyone ever bothered to check out the free video at endofamerica44.com?'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DuneStar: 'no'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DuneStar: 'lets debate increasing racial issues in sa due to julias malema'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DuneStar: 'anyone there'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DuneStar: 'well we gota debate something'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I mean, if we're not going to worry about a bunch of belligerent African ragheads we shouldn't worry about a bunch of African racists, either.'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DuneStar: 'aagghh what are we going to debate'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'how about we debate the pros and cons of Charlie Sheen?'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'pros - cocaine is fun and those women do have vaginas'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DuneStar: 'who'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DuneStar: 'lets debate wether or not bieber is gay'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'not much of a debate, that'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that's like debating whether Elton John is gay or not.'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that guy gets more tang than an astronaut'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'is judas priest gay?'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'he sure plays some cool songs'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DuneStar: 'who is stronger the hulk or the thing'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the hulk'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DuneStar: 'prove it'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the hulk is full of nanotech that makes him get stronger and meaner the faster his heart pumps'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the thing just, to the ladies' delight, just gets rock-hard.'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DuneStar: 'u got me there who is faster flash or superman'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'we don't know exactly what the thing is, it could assimiilate godzilla and then destroy the hulks nanotubes'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'which version of superman do you want to compare to?'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the original wasn't actually able to fly, you know.'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DuneStar: 'what do u mean'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DuneStar: 'the one in the movies'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'when superman was first introduced, he was basically a meat shield and could jump over tall buildings.'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and spiderman wasn't a elaborate obsession over that female reporter as well'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DuneStar: 'and he couldnt shoot web'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i enjoy the early original cartoons more, like inspector gadget'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Gaddafi recapturing cities, martial law in Bahrain, not everyone is watching newsfeeds from Fukushima'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think if he's an asshole like he's reported to be, nations should be supporting the resistance to him'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Gaddafi, you mean?'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah, i've seen alot of bad media about him on al jazeera among other places'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'he seems fairly moderate for a dictator, doesn't kill all that many people in a year'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'he's a fan of religious prostitution they say, and is part of a human slave / forced whore trafficking ring between nigeria and italy'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'well, any dictator is a little bit too much of a dictator especially when his people hate him'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what is he a demon, possessing human souls'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'using helicopters, tanks and military jets to bomb his own citizens'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'now is that the kind of person you want to do business with or infiltrate your world'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'imo, it's a abomination and crime against humanity leaving him there when there's means to remove him'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'at least remove his henchmen that do his crimes'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that is reasonable'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then he's nothing but a flap jawed hillbilly hollaring at the moon'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'but it would mean removing maybe 25% of all current governments..'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'takes time to do it well though'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'mis!'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'people just aren't apathetic or empathetic enough these days, especially world governments, the rich never see themselves in the shoes of the poor, or do in some rare cases, the slaver in the slaved position'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think it's good that people are resisting that type of tyranny and opening their eyes to a more real idea of what is valuable in life and what is freedom'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'is god hiding behind your king that treats you like shit?'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what kind of god is that?'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'people use religion to control peoples minds'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they said that not even all of his army are fighting the resistance within his country either, media under tight control as well, who's to say that what leaks out isn't fabricated?  everything's not so fine'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i heard one account of a helicopter or jet dropping a bomb off its target because they didn't want to kill their own countrymen'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe if enough of them open their eyes he'll be torn down from the inside out'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then you gotta watch for which country's he calls on for aid from, since they're not quite so close to home'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'people always preach about history and ancestors and their rights and greatness given to them from those ancestors, and fail to see themselves as the ancestors of the people 100 years from now'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'making a stupid decision here that they knew was stupid, and which impacted countless lives, and one there, people should wisen up a little bit from their destructive social atmosphere'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'not everybody in afghanistan is a terrorist, not everybody in saudi arabia is an extremist, not everybody who professes a belief to preserve his family's existance believes in themself what they profess'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's just a downward spiral that is often followed, removing all of the things you enjoyed in life for those who come after you and things like that, and not enough being done to reverse that spiral into a progression, leading by example for instance, instead of coming from a dirty land and pointing out iniquities that need to be murdered in another'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lots of hypocritical wars and governments happening every day'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'money's worthless when there's nothing left to buy, why make money your number 1 priority, given enough time and morality increasing social structures everybody can have sufficient wealth, and there doesn't need to be a bottomless pit of casualties of the lesser species to make that happen'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'who's more obsessed over sucking the natural gas out of titan than using natural lightings in buildings that are covered in concrete right now?  there's several types of damage resistant glass that can be used to cut down on energy consumption needs, they say that tower in england is flappy and needs constant repairing, but if a steel sheet can stay in place for 100 years, why couldn't a piece of plexiglass'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'take the expansion and retration into account, insulating materials and shit like that, solar heating mixed with other things, lightbulbs that charge during the day for las vegas and shine at night'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'not much of a need for the extremely toxic fuels except in places where there's extreme weather conditions'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you can break the speed of sound with an engine that runs on hydrogen peroxide at around 92% concentrations'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you can make that in a vat like you would moonshine'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and it's nontoxic'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'where it doesn't often freeze, and in the case it does freeze having heaters so that the fuel doesn't freeze'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's endless possibilities out there, and greed keeps the destructive monopolies at the forefront'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's the gulf of mexico oil spill to consider, then the ones that never see media airtime, the garbage dump west of california that is in topology twice as large as texas'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then there's the dead mangroves in brazil'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and the poison rivers in bangladesh, now happening near venezuela'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'procter and gamble's 5 cent solution for 1 gallon of water, stablizing harmful bacterium and toxins such as arsenic in contaminated water, for human consumption, which was denied government funding'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and the article erased from sciencedaily.com after i discussed it with a few people'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the 20 billion dollar debt france signed over to haiti after haiti became its own nation, which wasn't paid even in part, the lawyers denying even a fraction be averted to them in wake of the earthquake'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '1 million of that 20 billion along with procter and gamble's investment/product could have provided 500 million gallons of drinking water for those people'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and there's over 4,500 deaths in haiti as a result of cholera today'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I thought haiti had been independent since 1800ish?'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Woo! Finally someone else on here!'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hmm. You could swear Tinada has been here just a second ago. You wonder where he went ...
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah , but they had a document from back then which claimed that france would give them money as compensation for the years of slavery among other things'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'although that doesn't change the general point of Necroshine's argument'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and the adjusters figured out that the amount of currency on that agreement equated to roughly 17 billion-20 billion dollars today'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'I mean, I thought this was a Debate channel, to you know, DEBATE stuff?'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's 300 years ago now, and they claim to have not seen a dime of it'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '[checks whether that alleged Xyliz alt is online or offline, then readies the screed] ...'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'The leakage from the Japanese nuclear reactors is an accident due to greed and incompetence by those that built those defective leaking nuclear reactors.  The usage of depleted uranium in munition-shells is a deliberate premeditated act of ecoterrorism, (and is unforgivable for billions of years, or until those responsible and all their descendants are terminated.  Maybe the fictional Jesus may come along with a new earth - hahahahah, not likely - Die! of radiation sickness you polluters)'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'In a properly built adventure area, everything is supposed to be of some use - but in mud-built adventure areas, there is a lot of crap -- the purpose being to chase players back to professionally-written adventure games. [Discuss] '
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'if a software vendor desires a software game to not fail, NEVER put useless crap into a game, unless the intent is to annoy the player and ruin future game sales from that software vendor.'
T3/r3/2011-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'When designing, writing, and coding a software game, minimise putting anything into the game that is going to annoy the game customer -- a paying game customer is usually totally unforgiving when subjected to crap.'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but i don't see a reassign command, to rearrange their numbers, i just skimmed over it though'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'mis'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah, then there's the indian tribe on a western B.C island, where some european explorers dropped off their enplagued passengers, and exploited the good-natured indians compassion towards humanity then plagued their entire people'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'mis'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'debate is that way, btw ->'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oh shi-'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yes, and evil is relative, good is just a thing of the flesh'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, debate is here :P'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it was a abortion that led you here'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'somebody chopped off your dads cock and made him a eunuch slave for his infertility goddess which birthed your ghost remnants'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'hey, if it covers a fertile orchard in toxic waste, it must be good'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'because i say it's good'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'qed'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz informs the pollutors that Necroshine said and endorsed that "toxic waste on fertile orchards is good"
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'all men are liars and only god is true, informed the gospel'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i put on my understanding of your reasoning and blatantly point out idiocy through my understanding of the way you see things'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what's wrong with that'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you don't like the way i see things, i think differently than you otherwise we'd share one head'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'here's my understanding of you , in a controlled schizophrenic environment'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lets just pretend that gushing oil spill under the arctic circle isn't happening, it'll be years before they notice the ice is black'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lets see what happens when we pour a little gasoline on some snow'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the snow didn't even melt, and look how quickly it regains its structure'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'now is that a hypothesis or a contradiction'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'can you extrapolate some scenario's'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'reverse psychology does not work in a debate -- the opponents shall merely agree that their position is supported (by the clueless-idiot-traitor that is misusing reverse-psychology)'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'In 1888, Starley made an electric car, but it never was put into production. ...'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Buried Dreadlocker: 'no he didnt, he was a fking liar.'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'remarkable progress, off to some beverly hillbilly's'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rover_Company'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Buried Dreadlocker: 'LIES ITS ALL LIEs'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'Puff the Magic Dragon Land of the Living Lies pt 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FjYMALjX_o'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DuneStar: 'would anyone want to have a debate with me'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The answer you're looking for is 'onions', thank you very much.'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'has anyones opinion about nuclear energy altered in the last few days?'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'no'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'Fiendish is your opinion for or against?'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'for'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'my opinion for building important infrastructure on top of the world's worst fault lines, though, is against'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm still pro-nuclear, 100%'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Hell, 110%'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Even if these reactors blow, it will teach engineers more about safer reactor and systems design, which is good for nuclear power.'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'But the anti-nukular activists will, of course, run with it, turn a stray proton into an atomic bomb, and put that on the news.'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I hate that they keep airing the same, tired footage over and over.  Lame-assed propaganda.  Whatever exploded, it wasn't the reactor buildings.'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'but what if Tokyo has to be evacuated? we have some room in Australia but the population of Tokyo is equivalent to Australia'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'it won't have to be'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'I was under the impression that the explosions were hydrogen gas created by runaway heat in the cooling system: The gas is formed at the fuel rods (wether the spent rods in storage, or those in the reactor), then when it contacts air, it becomes extremely volatile and goes boom.'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'thanks your optimism has made me feel a bit better. i just wish i had a crystal ball to be sure'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'I heard a scientist a few years ago saying a bit of radiation is good for people's health...does anyone know if thats true?'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'Hmmm, I'm not sure if there was many indian tribes living where they dug the uranium from, I assume they noticed themselves melting when exposed to it and moved somewhere else'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but i could be wrong'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'a little bit of good radiation for you, that's not to pacify the fearful minds of those who don't want mutant children is it, melting of cancer and all that'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'people used to not understand how dangerous radiation is'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'everything's just fruity, we should have a meltdown at least twice a year to keep our afro's standing'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'or is that being a bit *too* optimistic?'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'see: fluoroscopes in shoe stores'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'there's no need to be concerned with uranium dug from the ground'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'it's enriched uranium that you have to be careful of'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah really, the destruction will happen during and after our lifetimes, so it doesn't really matter'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'but this japan reactor thing is being blown way out of proportion. the problem is that thousands of people died from the tsunami wave and a lot of japan has no power now. the problem is not reactor meltdown potential.'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'great philanthropists met wit hsatan himself to discover the inner workings of the earth'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'enriched as in, give me lots of money and i'll give you uranium is worrisome'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's worth noting that a coal-fired power plant releases more radiation than nuclear power plants.'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'among other things'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the measurement problem states that scientists have never observed an atom, yet they claim there are several types and even subatomic particles that they have harnessed, and they have something that generates heat 1000 times as hot as the core of the sun buried under france and sswitzerland'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'do not confuse the word "observed" with the phrase "seen optically"'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i always lean to the pessimistic side of the story, because life's as grim as everything around you dying'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'sooner or later'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'space may last forever though'
T3/r3/2011-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'atoms have of course been observed, just never seen.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'for a degree of observation that amounts to keen inference based on substantial evidence'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'all originated from the mind of a human being, hey the stars are circular and there's wee beasties under my magnifying glass, invented in nineveh sometime 3000 years ago or prior'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i bet if i just look for a circle here in this grain of sand i may find one, and orbits yes like the stars it must have electrons and a core like a nucleus'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'as though you ever observed the core of the earth or the sun'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'do neutrons actually exist'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'for the gravity theory to hold up we need a counter balance, they are in orbit because there are protons and some invisible .. gravity magnetic force holding them apart'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'that's a funny, meaningless question given that we can predict with extreme certainty the outcome of events based on a model in which they do exist'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'For every usuable defition of "exists" yes. It's either that, or our entire scientific framework is completely wrong, but by some fluke produces all the results that the framework predicts anyway. (For instance, nuclear reactors)'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if i drop a rock it shall fall, unless the law that makes the world go round is suddenly erased and it doesn't'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the law that makes the world go round has nothing to do with whether or not the rock falls...'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'rocks don't actually fall. in fact the earth is expanding with a rate of inflation equal to the observed gravitational acceleration!'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'back to gravity'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'who threw the first asteroid?  '
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'space must be finite, otherwise it would have already arrived'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'who threw the thrower of the first asteroid?'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'which came first, the crafter or the lense'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: '"it would have arrived"?'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Dionysus'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'what is it? and arrived where?'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'which came first? the crafter or the crafter's crafter?'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'pearle'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'TSO'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'from a pile of nothing arose a rock, there was just os much nothing that something had to exist, and the craftless crafter formed a crafter made of stone to form the stones that formed the crafters crafter'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yes, the basis for the big bang, like a gang rape in the sky'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'sometimes I'm absolutely certain that you just have a bag of words that you string together randomly'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm a strangeling, possessed by antimatter'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav is agreeing with that Ol' Dirty Fiendish person again...
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'In fact, most of the time.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'jhav the hanswer jhao?'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'so if the reactors do their worst and the wind changes and a cloud of concentrated radiation moves towards Tokyo they'll still be OK?'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'jhava witness to the answa too yo'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Dynamo: if the reactors do their worst there will be no cloud of concentrated radiation'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'so the cloud that doesn't exist won't be able to move toward tokyo'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'A meltdown in itself isn't a major catastrophe.  As long as the containment works, it can be worked through.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'IMHO Three Mile Island was a success, not a failure.  The containment worked.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'What's more, it was a containment when the operators were, for quite some time, doing the exact OPPOSITE of what they should have been doing due to faulty instruments.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Plus, all the other nuclear reactors and supporting systems elsewhere were retrofitted so that the same problem can't occur again.  That's what I call progress.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yes, melting humans is progress, like populated cities in ontario that are far beyond the acceptable levels of radioativity but which isn't know by the inhabitants'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'but known by necroshine! our savior!'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'british columbia dusted with radon from their mining operations, not even in their progressive power plants yet'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No humans were melted due to Three Mile Island :P'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'who melts humans?'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he has the Heath Geigercounter'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You can't dust with radon.  Radon is a gas.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lets compare the hidden cancer rates from prior 1950 to post 1950'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then see if we have a stable equation or a tangent'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'more like the Heath Bar Geiger counter'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Those cancer rates are probably from shitty food, not nuclear power plants.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'necroshine: point me at the cancer rate statistics, plz'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what was life expectancy prior to '50, and how many older deaths may have been from cancer that were never autopsied'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'There is no "acceptable" level of radiation. All radiation is like throwing extremely long odd chances at bad things happening. But many things that cause some background radiation also do good things. If you are truely afraid, Never fly, never ski, never live or work in a structure made from concrete, don't eat bananas, never allow a doctor to make an xray.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they're classified and not publicized'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Ohhhhhh, they're not puuublicized. OK. '
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'rofl, classified'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there is no publicly available statistics'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'go find some from 1900 to 2011'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'so point me at the privately available statistics'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and yet, you have them'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'there are acceptable levels of radiation because your body does actually perform some repair work'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'no, they're hidden for a reason'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I wish they would make small nuclear setups intended for private use.  Something in the 100kW electric, 300kW thermal range.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'necroshine: hidden from us but not from you?'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i have a mind'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'but do you have a datum?'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'Some doubt exists'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'can you prove hitler existed?'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'show me your datum'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so the canadian cancer society doesn't keep track of any cancer rates...'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Err...we do still have hitler's body'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'There is a radioactive source a meter and a half over my head.  It's in my smoke detector!'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'are you sure it's not a lookalike, like bin laden has or hussein has, or is said to has'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'jhav?'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Hmmm?  What?'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'a lookalike of whom?'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'a lookalike of a man who never existed!'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you're going to criticize my english, so i thought i'd has your jhav'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if hitler didn't exist, there wouldn't be anyone to look like'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'now we're getting deep'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'pretty shallow though isn't it'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you want me to have faith in the history you say exists, while you leave out the inconvenient self-incriminating details from public eyes'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'he's like a stochastic phrase generator'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you're like a google android robot'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'be honest, now. do you actually type, or is this just a markov chain?'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'wouldn't that be redundant?'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'does smalltalk work with ruby?'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'are you a member of the RAND corporation?'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magish: 'Are you? PROVE IT!'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you have that air of stench to you that dictates the presence of a ecuadorian genocide'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ol' Dirty Fiendish is a member of the GetDateTime(randSeed) corporation.
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'did they teach you that in school too?'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'yes'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the leader of the CIA in the 1950's had his fruit corporation under siege by the enslaved south americans, and sent the US military down there to straighten them up'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'white horse jesus christ revelations book, how did alaska get there in 1950'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'and this is why gravity now falls up'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'this is why i support nuclear war with the united states'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'd like to see who would blow who up the furthest, canada or the usa'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'whom'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lucky for us canadians, we erected alot of the us military bunkers hidden throughout the land'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so we have a strategic advantage when choosing our targets'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'but are they all accessible by horse?'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'alaska is quite easily sunk with a few 120 megatonne nukes'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'There aren't any 120 megaton nukes.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if only canada had any...'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'how much does a 120 megaton nuke weigh? and can it be hoisted by a single man in red flannel?'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'russia detonated a 100 megatonne nuke in antarctica, it's on video'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'That was only 53 megatons, Necroshine.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the death star detonated a planet...it's on video'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'america sucks all of its uranium from canada, canada just isn't defending itself is that what you're saying'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'd like to see that'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It would have been 100+ MT if it had used a uranium tamper, but that would have irradiated most of Scandinavia.  So they used a lead tamper instead.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'probably have missile silo's buried all over the place'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'we once burned down the whitie house for a reason'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'the jews did 9/11. I saw it on video'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Actually, the Tsar Bomba was one of the 'cleanest' nukes ever fired, in terms of radioactive fallout per unit yield.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's horribly inappropriate to compare nuclear energy to atomic weapons, anyway.  The two are nothing alike.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It won't stop the anti-nukular activists from spouting shit, of course.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Well, they're alike in about the same way a tsunami is like a hydro power plant. :P'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'More or less'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I hate activists in general.  They're usually the lowest common denominator of stupid.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i just like to argue is all, you know, it's funny watching you respond with your pride'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'resorting to intellectual superiority complexes when outwitted'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I just like watching you randomly assemble almost but not quite completely nonsensical trains of thought'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'most of the nonsense i nonsensically assemble is derived from works of literature that you couldn't begin to comprehend'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'also a limitless imagination'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'you mean like your super secret classified 1950s cancer rates?'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'most of it written by Dr Seuss'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's just a fact'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I agree'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, a fact with no source'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Ack, did I just miss the daily interactive sci-fi show???'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fluffled Salvanas :(
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'classified'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it could have been that tuberculosis was cancer after all'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'in new jersey 1900 and new jersey 2010'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'too bad they're totally different diseases'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what about the years in between'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'interactive fiction commence'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'we like our bar diagrams'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you're a jello head, who's soul purpose in life is to raise your own status by making others look like fools'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'to me you look like a fool'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No personal attacks please'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you're what they call a serpent of the light in deicides songs'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'who was i personally directing an attack at officer nothing'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'a jello head?'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'starling can be my mediator from now on'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'll throw out insults and they can direct them where they please'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you know that's funny witch, i'm your familiar'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'read me your fortune'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): .Faust Necroshine points excitedly!
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'fuck you all, you can't debate logic for shit, it's no wonder your sentencing all your children to eternal enslavery until the last mutant is dust'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'all is my imaginary friend and fuck is a duck with a flock'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you is a vowel'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'enjoy your abc's'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'heh'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'easy as 123s'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'it's just you and me, girl'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Gee thanks guys. Now I gotta spend the rest of the day with that in my head. Thanks a lot.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You cheer Fluffled Salvanas on and wish him good luck!
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'salvanas: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho7796-au8U'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Yeah! Awesome.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'I've heard potassium iodide is good for preventing thyroid cancers, but not much good at preventing lung, skin, and colon cancers. Is this based on legitimate science?'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Potassium iodide and/or iodate saturate the thyroid with iodine and make it less likely to absorb radioactive iodine-131.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Iodine-131 is a common fission product from nuclear reactions'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Potassium_iodide'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'cnt look at dat on ph0ne'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stick it Inicus: 'I lol'd'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'i hope the fish in the northwest Pacific don't get contaminated because lots of people rely on that for their food...'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'be good if the fish were contaminated with radiation enough to make fish dangerous to eat '
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'why is that Xyliz'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz does not eat fish -- neither should others
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'ironic justice if the japanese poison the fish stocks with a nuclear reactor meltdown that leaks into the oceans'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'What about the starving people though?'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'The world is overpopulated, the world human population requires to be reduced to 1 billion or less'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'that doesn't include you i take it?'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'not necessarily -- i am a genius'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'pffff :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'starvation is never a just excuse for ecocide'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"folk require jobs" is never a just excuse for ecocide'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"filthy rich humans want to be richer" is never a just excuse for ecocide'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'there's a natural food chain where life forms eat other life forms...but surely i don't need to tell a genius that :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the overpopulation of humans is a disease on the ecosystem -- the planet requires to eliminate excess humans soon '
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'the planet is not overpopulated. this is just eugenics speak for removing various races deemed inferior'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'debate and i think anyone who *really* believed that would take immediate steps to remedy the situation'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the planet is excessively overpopulated with humans'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'would not say that. that is like saying the sea is overpopulated with fish'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'wrong Ohm'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'why?'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'there is no real evidence we overpopulated the planets. certain areas, maybe. but not the deserts and arctic and other places'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'populate the arctic is a dumb suggestion until the rctic is no longer freezing in winter -- winter heating is not cheap'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'fire and wood is not exactly expensive'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'logistics dictate otherwise'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'an igloo made of ice helps keep out the cold'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Most places on this earth go below freezing during the winter.  That is a poor criteria for living.  The main problem with Antarctica (as opposed to land in the arctic circle, which actually does support a decent population) is that it is far removed from sources of stuff that people need to live (such as food), and producing the stuff on site is difficult.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a few sparse igloos is not the same as a millions of igloos filled with freezing starving painfully dying wannabe Ohms'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'or perhaps, a few self righteous intellectuals who wish to inflict their worldview on everyone else'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'the planet is not overpopulated, because the planet is still supporting over 6 billion humans, and many other creatures'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'most of them are starving and dying of preventable and curable diseases'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: '"supporting" is questionable'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'that is because rich people wish to stay rich, that is why many are so poor.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'and when did "intellectual" become a bad word?'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'it would not take too much to help out. but no one wants to. so no one has to.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'big laugh, Fiendish  -- the republicans want to repeal Obama care '
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'For some reason, some folks associate intellectual with elite. '
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'since when is elite a bad word?'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'do you know what elite means? elite means the best.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'i think when neocon got associated with elite'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I *WANT* the country run by intellectual elites.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'the country pretty much is. what is the first thing a smart person does? look out for themselves, and forget everyone else.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'that's entirely untrue'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Generalisations are bad, in general.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav grins evilly at Fluffled Salvanas.
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'you do not get rich helping other people out. '
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'also not true'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'mother theresa sure was poor'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'the plural of anecdote is not data'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'nor is the lack thereof proof of the contrary'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'you're defining "smart" to somehow mean completely unethical'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'which is entirely tangential'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'what is smart? starving yourself for the good of mankind, or changing the situation?'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'define changing the situation'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Define smart? :P'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'All depends on what your perspective on "smart" is? :P'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'you are starving. you see a way to fix it, so you do so. not unethical'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'smart is smart. what you do with that determines whether you are smart and ethical or smart and unethical.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'many serial killers are smart, but that does not imply ethics in any sense of the word'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Indeed.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'So the argument is... ?'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'which is why you need to stop thinking that being smart necessarily follows from being unethical'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'uh we were on some overpopulation non-issue... must have went off on a few tangents,'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Right. I hadn't noticed. :P'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'i never said unethics leads to being smart, or vice versa. they are not exactly related'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'They aren't related at all, except MAYBE statistically, and pretty sure no one's ever done research in to that.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'especially when ethics is a hotbed topic, especially for religous people'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'you kept trying to say that the smart choice is the unethical one. which is a poor definition of smart.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'no. i said the smart choice is the smart choice. maybe ethical, maybe not.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: '"what is the first thing a smart person does? look out for themselves, and forget everyone else."   and  "you do not get rich helping other people out." indicates a thought process contrary to what you are now saying'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'espcially when various schools of thought define ethics in a variety of ways.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'that is true. the pharoahs did not get pyramids built with kind words'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'they got them built by paying laborers an acceptable wage from what I understand'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'slave labor'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'there's no indication that the pyramids were built by slaves'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Ohm hinted that being smart results in being unethical:  "[17 Mar 03:52:10] (Debate) Ohm  ... what is the first thing a smart person does? look out for themselves, and forget everyone else."'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'except for a cultural mythology that isn't supported by archaeology'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'yeah there is. the egyptians owned slaves.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'looking out for yourself is not unethical. it is very ethical'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'They did. That does not necessarily go on to mean that slaves built the pyramids.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'so they used the slaves for everything but manual labor?'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'You may hypothesise that they did, but you can not definitely say so unless supported by evidence.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'there is no indication that the pyramids were built by slave labor, and at least some indication that they were not'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'yeah they did. and they buried many slaves with them'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'not something a free person chooses to do'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not because they were slaves, but because they were part of the household.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'slavery in all its forms is slavery nonetheless'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Speculation as to the mindset of the ancient Egyptian.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'http://www.nationalgeographic.com/pyramids/pyramids.html'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, I missed it. You were talking about freedom :) I am not up to fantasies atm :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: '"Contrary to some popular depictions, the pyramid builders were not slaves or foreigners."'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'then who were they?'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8451538.stm - "Tombs discovered near Egypt's great pyramids reinforce the theory they were built by free workers rather than slaves."'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Fiendish: do they reference the research on that? Would be interesting.reading...'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'indeed.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Hey don't get me wrong, I don't know and I'm not deciding either way, slave or free, that's why I want to see the research. '
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'anyway, Ohm. One can only speak of degrees of freedom, there is no such thing as absolute freedom, the universe is not built that way. All things in the universe have at least on source of .'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: '... and so far the free-labour argument is winning out, only cos Fiendish is the only one providing any evidence apart from "This is how it was". '
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'on source of constraint.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Anaristos - that is, until you bring personal belief and faith into it.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'agreed anaristos. but i will have to see great evidence a free people took on such work which hurt and killed many who built it'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'those who tell you you are free, first define freedom for you then they say "now you know why I say you are free".'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'http://harvardmagazine.com/2003/07/who-built-the-pyramids?page=all'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'deba great, thanks :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ol' Dirty Fiendish shrugs helplessly.
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'interesting article'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why are you picking on the Egyptians, though. Even if it were the case that they used slaves, that wouldn't have made them unique. Slavery in one guise or another has always existed and will always exist.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'as far as I'm aware, the mythos of the jewish (or otherwise) slaves building pyramids in egypt is not widely believed by the archaeological community'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'i am not picking on the egyptians. i could use a pyramid'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'more specifically, it's thought that the jews weren't even there and that the whole exodus thing is made up based on other myths'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'and perhaps a different cultural exodus not relating to the jews'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'last i heard, exodus was stolen from some tribe they were in contact with. and there would not have been enough jewish slaves to do anything, if they had them'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'then get your own country :) Washington got his monument, a waste of tax payer's dollars since it certainly did not advance the commonwealth. But it is impressive, though.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'it probably doesn't take that many workers to build a pyramid, actually'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'you could build a pyramid with a few thousand people, easily'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'now days, a few hundred.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'i am just curious as to how they would build one'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I mean using technology they had available at the time'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'lift the stones by helicopter.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Wave their hands and they magically flew up there?'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'can you prove that it didn't work that way? :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'even the article says they could not find evidence of the massive infrastructure necessary to build one, maybe it is buried somewhere'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'considering that the largest carved monolithic stones significantly outmass even the largest pyramid blocks, and we know exactly how at least some of them were moved'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'the moving of the thunder stone, for example, was pretty well documented'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'actually, I don't know how they did it, but I can imagine how they did. They could have used trees to move them :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Yep, you plant a tree, wait 5 years until it's a hefty sapling, then plonk the block on top of it.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Then wait another 40 years...'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'the nile was not rife with massive trees....'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'topologically speaking, trees are wheels :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so you don't think there were mature trees in those days?'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: '"He developed a metallic sledge that slid over bronze spheres about 13.5 cm (6 inches) in diameter, over a track. The process worked in a way similar to the later invention of ball bearings. Making the feat even more impressive was that the labour was done entirely by humans'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the trick in making a ball bearing is the mold.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: '"no animals or machines were used in bringing the stone from the original site to the Senate Square.[8] After Carburis devised the method, it took 400 men nine months to move the stone" - https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/The_Bronze_Horseman'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'oh like on trucks and what not'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'just slide it across the floor, so to speak'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: '... and we've come a long way from smart or ethical to pyramids and ancient freight systems.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'well, we did start on how the planet was overpopulated'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the planet is not really overpopulated, though there are some overpopulated areas.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'that is what i said'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if country clubs were turned into housing areas the overpopulation would see less acute :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'seem*'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'and golf fields. lots of land, there'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, but the point is that most people are crowded in relatively small areas.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'like somerville, ma'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'don't know the place, is it overcrowded?'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'wikipedia says it's the most densely populated municipality in new england'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'must be a nice place to live...'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'it is, actually'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and yet, the UK has large unpopulated areas.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'indications of overpopuation:  the forests and wild areas are shrinking, species are going extinct, biodiversity is being reduced, the overpopulted world is precariously dependent on things not going wrong.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that is all sad, but it has happened before. Sure, humanity is responsible for the extermination of many species, but something had to cause their extinction, just as something caused many species to be extinct before.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'destroying the environment does not mean overpopulation'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'it is sad we treat the planet like we treat each other, but that is entirely different'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'look at it this way, Xyliz. If humanity indeed destroys the ecosystem, it will be punished by nature. Then something else will walk the Earth in a few thousands of years.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or perhaps millions of years :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'give the good Earth some time to rest after us pesky humans are gone...  :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I do feel for the universe if humans actually manage to leave this planet and land somewhere else, though. There will go that neighborhood :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Anaristos seems to indicate callous presumption and certain malice with "but something had to cause their extinction" '
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'i often wondered if exploring new worlds would just mean raping new planets for corporate greed'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so you think that having a sloar flair is ok, but not having one species destroy another. From the point of view of the extinct species, what does it matter?'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'solar flair*'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stick it Inicus: 'solar flare*'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'humasns destroying all or most of the environment does indicate human overpopulation  (thus Ohm is wrong)'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are trying to apply hormonal thinking to the way the nature works. Look at what nature did to Japan, was that fair?'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'what? a few nuclear bombs can do that work. does not take overpopulation'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if humanity destroys itself the it obviously wasn't meant to continue.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'an evolutionary failure, that's all.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'failure. how we hate... failing...'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can say "oh, but we have a choice". But maybe we don't. Maybe we are hardwired to destroy ourselves given certain environmental features.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'if the human race deserves extinction .. then .. in a more *just* world, Japan was supposed to sink into the oceans and all the japanese populace be drowned  (millstones tied around their neck not required)'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'when the next Ice Age flops down on us, chances are that we most of humanity will disappear anyway. There will probably be enough left to start all over, though.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there you go again, Xyliz :) "deserve", nature is nature there is no judgment. Natural things happen and when they do something die.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'i never said we deserve extinction. let evolution play itself out, see what happens'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there you go, Ohm. You get the picture :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'not like any of us can do anything about it.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I,for one don't want to die, but the odds area waaaaaaaaay agaist me :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"if nature did that to Japan" logoic applies, then nature did not do enough yet -- Anaristos and Ohm, where do you reside - nature may prefer extra targets when nature does more things'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'eh. it would be exciting'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'this nature "doing" things offers hope'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'hey, it doesn't matter where one lives, something it's going to happen that will kill one.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'like seeing a train wreck on TV but actually being in one. give oneself some... perspective...'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'nature requires to eliminate human overpopulation and soon - and riddance to the human race'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, nature is not sentient. What nature is is the law of the universe, the path of least resistance.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'hmmm. i am always curious why overpopulation *experts* don't hit the hammer with their points'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'if they really believed the earth was overpopulated, they don't form suicide cults, for example'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'perhaps nature is sentient, and nature may come visiting you soon'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'humans usually form homocidal "cults":  wars, genocides, mass killings, etcetera- '
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'we are good at it.'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'homicidal'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'the military you mean?'
T3/r3/2011-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'nature is not a thing, it's a aggregate of rules based on the physics of the universe.'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so, accidents involving deer cost insurance companies 245 million dollars a year in saskatchewan a year, the price of bullets is gone up, the gun registration is a failure and cost multiple hundreds of millions of dollars to enforce, a hunting permit costs 50 bucks with a limit of maybe 2 deer per hunter plus the price of gas to go hunting, bow and arrows don't work so well with most of the trees cut down and all that you know - farmers feed the deer for free on the land that they pay taxes to call their own and are unable to kill the deer, would allowing landowners to allow people to hunt deer on their land be a possible solution, or designating more area's for non-deforestation in favour of the natural snow shield that the deer used to inhabit within'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's mostly monopoly, i guess an indian can go out and shoot all the deer he wants here in canada on his reservation'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'any time of the year'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'most of this place used to be forest, but as farming machinery got larger, so did the demand for more soil to seed, and thus, trees and natures habitation were removed, and the snow goes where the wind blows, which trees used to provide a shield against and animals used to live within'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then there's the problem of making cars out of plastic, and charging excessive amounts of money at your oil byproduct moulding facility that is mostfully automated to the creditors bill, and raising the premiums of the driver'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm sitting in a chair that is made out of components that might have come from 2500 feet below the earth'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's pretty sturdy i guess'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'if those in Saskatchewan are too cheap to install inexpensive minihorns to warn wildlife, then tough -- but the deer deserve to live more so than selfish humans'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'my grandpa tossed a whistle on his car, subsonic to humans but apparently animals can hear it'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they don't come installed by default on any vehicle i've seen for sale'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'lies! -- that fictional "grandpa" did no such thing -- "tossing" does not install whistles'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'I use one of those whistles to summon my wife'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I like to see a deer move out of the way when warned that a vehicle moving at 60mph is 20 feet away :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'even 120 :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'first the deer would face the headlights, then it would freeze, then maybe bolt. 2 seconds, too late.'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah, i see people callin animals stupid and people don't understand that vehicles and trains aren't natural like animals, i guess some adapt better than others like raccoons but for the most part they get destroyed'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'you guys are sicko talking like that'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't think it would cost car manufacturers much to install those subsonic whistles on their vehicles by default, though they probably hear the engines coming towards them too, i guess the whistles would make a repulsive sound'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, even to humans faced with the same problem, the actions would be the same, a very low percentage of the human population would react in time to avoid being run over.'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but i believe that instead of one acre per 100 million acres of land dedicated towildlife, it should be more evenly distributed so that they have a point to point migratory pattern to follow, cause all animals seem to migrate to avoid imbreeding and shit like that, leaving a bush standing on every second field for instance would provide habitat for them, along with the nature reserves'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the fight of flight reflex is more like is nearly always preceded by a freeze.'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'now if a animal wanders so far from where it was born due to whatever circumstances , it's confronted with a barren wasteland of nowhere to hide, and they have to cross them highways to search for a bush to move into'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you will never win that argument, Necro.'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a single bush is not a substitute for a full forest -- the crass ignorance displayed in this channel is appalling'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i've went for a walk down traintracks and observed animals cut in half, there's a similar scenario, just left behind like they never been there, cleanly sliced'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'again tmi and sick'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but how these animals evolved over the years before the industrial revolution stuff hacked down all the trees was within those trees, they provide windbreak and shelter from the snow'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it was sick to see yeah'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe whistles on them trains would help too, though they blow the horn at vehicle crossing points'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'just have to experiment with things like that to see whether or not they go towards or away from the sound'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz suspects that Necroshine is faking the information (as though plagiarised from some script)
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/03/110301122154.htm New Scientific Field Will Study Ecological Importance of Sounds'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'now the researchers would just have to develop sounds that the deer and moose and stuff can detect which are typically heard and responded to with retreat'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'car coming, go the other way like'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then with their computer chips send them out of the multilingual speaker given the drivers current geological location and the wildlife that lives there'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and it does'nt have to be connected to the brake lines or accelerator or steering columbs of the vehicle, this microchips'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'most people wouldn't care enough to listen.'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and the gps signalling doesn't have to be constant, as it's proven that such airwave interference disrupts the migratory patterns of animals, maybe an update every time you start your car, or on a timer set by the driver, or manually'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they care about their premiums going up though don't they'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'i bet you're running on energizer, necroshine'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i can see it as possible, i don't see why anybody else wouldn't'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'nah, mostly pain'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'see what as possible? disruption of bird migrations by gps?'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'looks like they removed that article along with the 5 cent procter and gamble water cleaning packets'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i guess they figured nobody would notice them and were being cocky by displaying them in the first place'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then once exposed deleted them, cause it's contradictory to what they want done'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'you're absolutely right, it's all just a really huge conspiracy'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'The cohort study on mobile communications (COSMOS) forms part of the Mobile Telecommunications and Health Research (MTHR) Programme. The international study will run for 20-30 years and will follow the health of at least 250,000 participants aged 18-69 in five European countries. The UK arm of COSMOS is being led by a research team from Imperial College London. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/04/100422085234.htm'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you're most likely correct, because the articles existed and were at the forefront when searched for, but now are all missing'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'we do see the singaporean nobel prize winning malaria vaccinations , but the article on dirt + plant matter + monkey scientist is missing now'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'at least a few people seen them before they were removed'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how are they missing i wonder'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'ever considered that they may have been such a horrible pile of bullshit that the publisher simply didn't want to discredit themselves for the next 100 years? :P'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'no, otherwise they would have elaborated on past findings and pointed out what was flawed in them'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'instead they removed the reported findings entirely and claimed credit for themselevs, or in the case of radio signals confusing migratory birds, selling the android cell phone ideology with less resistance'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'oh gosh, it's a google conspiracy then!'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'use your cell phone for emergencies never came to mind, in light of the affect they have on nature, as would any radio signal widespread enough, they did studies on monarch butterflies and other creatures, all that effort just being erased doesn't sound very logical, if they found out later it was due to bullshit they would have pointed that out'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'well you can call google an agent for a foreign doctor evil from austin powers if you like, perhaps drive my car from me from a satellite - they hacked into the brake lines and accelerators of vehicles not running microsoft software at perdue and harvard'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how much would it cost to hire a hacker to break into a website like sciencedaily.com and remove a few articles of interest'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'negative publicity isn't always a stunt you know, sometimes it's the logic that they deny in favour of control'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'consider this example of a schizophrenical conspiracy theory:'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'you know it becomes increasingly difficult to argue with something that never really saw "wrong", zipped past "ridiculous" and is speeding towards "not from the world"'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'http://english.pravda.ru/science/earth/02-07-2006/82804-lake-0/  -> exhibit a'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'Lake Peigneur (disappearing lake) History Channel footage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHol4ICeDoo'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and exhibit b'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i wonder, is it really so mysterious after all?'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if every potash and oil prospect they leer at was aware of such information, would they be so fast to jump into the void?'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they wouldn't report it as a recurring phenomenon though'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and they'd shy away from bigger disaster scenario's that are theoretically possible'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but they lve for the moment eh, who cares about the consequences'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'thats' the only time the gulf of mexico flew north!'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't really care very much though, it's not like i'm going to live forever or anything'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's a twisted gnostic dead sea scroll version of revelations which aligns justly with mans self-destructive practices, but a borg cube is definitely a nice analogy'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'Vampires were hotter before they became popular in the mainstream'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '.. when vampires were straight and heterosexual, and not a walking metaphor for sucking richard'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'is THAT what Twilight and so forth are about?'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'else: where did you get that idea from?'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'when was the idea of vampires first formed?'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'bloodsucking humans that are immortal until the sun turns them into dust and are stabbed in the heart with a wooden stake or sprayed with holy water'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so around the 15th century maybe'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'i think vlad the impaler was inspiration'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but before that, they had to have some inspiration'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'oh the ideas have been around longer than that'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'there are a number of things'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'not sure, ever since a lot of vampire movies went homosexual and or sexpervert, avoided watching the vampire crap - the extremely bad sexual acting is tedious boring annoying even when heterosexual -- violence and sex is tasteless'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'probably when people discovered other people are tasty when they are hungry.'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'vlad the imapler, elizabeth bathory, people in graves who weren't dead yet when they were buried'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the movie the lost boys is my favourite vampire movie'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'with some ideas in certain cultures predating even those things i think'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'being buried alive was once commonly practiced with egyptian pharoah's according to what i read in their translations'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and in some sout african tribes and stuff like that'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'those that like vampire movies require to be euthanised so that the vampire plaque may be ended'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'even copenhagen or somewhere like that, some modern structures're said to have had humans buried alive within them, children and a woman and stuff'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'a wall there'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'hoover dam probably has quite a few'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'i was referring to the people who were pronounced dead but were acutally alive - perhaps in a coma at the time of burial'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'i think that is because forensics was not to great back then, and people who were barely alive were buried to wake up'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'they dug some of them up and found they'd tried to claw their way out of their coffins'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that musta been a horrendous way to go'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'certain drugs produce near like coma / death affects.'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'well after a while they started putting bells on the coffins that they could ring if they were alive'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'i believe'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'i also think some cultures left people out for a few days to make sure they were dead'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'before burying them...'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'but yeah it would be - even being rescued from that, it would be quite terrifying at first'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i read some historical scholary articles explaining the integration of those human sacrifices given in visions to the masons or architects building them, and this is within the last 300 years - apparently they followed through'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'some comas last much longer than a few days, but it would certainly reduce the incidence drastically, ohm'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it wouldn't surprise me if from time to time during the erection of some monumental structure an accidental death isn't so accidental at all'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'true, i am just saying forensics was not as great then as it was in modern times'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'most things weren't'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i guess that might be some of where the masonic temple gets its conspiracy theorist attention from'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'that is horrible, necro.'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah no shit, in one case this woman who freshly gave birth was built into a wall, and a brick was left out where she could breastfeed her baby'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but after the weaning was done it was sealed off and she died in there'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'according to history'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'wouldn't she suffocate/die of hunger/thirst long before then?'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'given how people treat each other it would not surprise me'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'in a brick structure with ventilation coming through that opening, i guess not'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'you can't survive weeks without water'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'three days.'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'you can survive without water for three days, if you are properly hydrated first'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'she would have had to be given food & water somehow'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'at least water. you can go three weeks without food'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine is re-spouting crap told by liar-storytellers'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'it would have had to be exaggerated in the tale, or she'd have died before the baby got much from her'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'unless those are original crap-lies'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'http://www.sacred-texts.com/evil/hod/index.htm'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a website reference, as though websites did not tell lies'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: '... and you reference a .com website. my prof would have a field day with that.'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the original intention of the internet was to share information, obfuscating reality came in later, distorting history appeared before the emergence of turing and cryptography'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'a .com website with an advertisement banner up top selling DVDs, even. :P'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i guess you gotta take what you see with a grain of salt and contrast it to what is possibly real, then cypher out the likelies from the unlikelies'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'especially if it comes from a religious 'historical' source'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'they had actual MOTIVES for distorting the truth'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'those millions of fish in the mississipi river just flipped right back around and swam back ito the ocean you know, no coverage after the 20 billion dollar deal was set'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'maybe Xyliz ought to start a sacred-truths.com website and publish some scifi musings'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so , what that media tells me should i take to be non-obfuscated by corporate mind'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fluffled Salvanas peers intently at Xyliz.
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: '... did you jsut speak of yourself in the third person??'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fluffled Salvanas THWAPS Xyliz for being a moron.
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'Zylias thinks 3rd person is fun :p'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'evil is good, says a study conducted at teh satanic monastery of jesus iscariot, if you impale a frog on a tree and watch it twitch for 8 hours a cat will appear and resurrect it'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that was original'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada does this to emphasize his special brand of greatness
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fluffled Salvanas can't beat them, so he joins them.
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'Ohm is pleasantly amused'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'lol, 'resurrect it'... so they mean eat it, and somehow cause it to reincarnate?'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Salvanas, re: nocurse toggle, perhaps just turn curse channel off if you don't want to see cursing?'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'I do that, but *random also curses on all private/curse-enabled channels... or at least, tested on gtell, and got some curses.'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'not tested on other curse channels, didn't want to spam anyone out.'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I agree in principle, although I'm sure you can handle it if the word 'fuck' pops up by accident.'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'I can. I'd rather not, and I'd rather not accidently curse at someone else who might not. And I'm sure there are some people who wouldn't handle it.'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'i certainly am not going to start a sacred-truths.com website -- unsure about Xyliz - aardwolf is corrupting'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Well, those people are probably defective, or else fundamentalist whackies.'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'well, it could be a bit of work but one idea would be if it was coded to: *random being filtered to anything but curses, and then a seperate command *randomcurse to allow a completely random social including curses?'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'it also depends how dirty curse socials go, starling'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Well, I'd rather not curse at all. Does that make me a fundamentalist wacky?'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'i would say the occasional swear word is okay even for a child but something sexually explicit is not'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they say there's a monument erected to one of the first presidents of the usa with the inscription on its base 'uphold the craft at any cost', and contrasting this 'the craft' to the persecution of witchcraft said to occur in america somewhere near the 17th century, i'm left wondering what the real history is here'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i haven't seen this monument myself in person, but on video they showed it'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'there is softcore curse and hardcore curse  -- toggled by the nocurse setting  '
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'probably reference to masons'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and the stupid shit they say , like , if she doesn't burn she must be a witch, then we have to find a new way to kill her, if she floats she must be a witch and we must find a new way to kill her'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fluffled Salvanas looks menacing.  Maybe he's from [Ba'rd].
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fluffled Salvanas wuvs yoo, yoo, and even yoo!
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that just sounds like the epitome of historical stupidity, do you believe that people were ever ignorant enough to believe that bullshit, or it's just a excuse for why they murdered people'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the ruling religious elders were depraved sexperverts'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'i think the commoners were scaremongered into accepting it or they would be found to be 'witches' too'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fluffled Salvanas waves a large bright red sign reading "FASTER !!"
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the ruling religious elders were depraved sexperverts, that got their sexual jollies killing females'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fluffled Salvanas lays out a few magical components and starts to summon the Powers of Nature.
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fluffled Salvanas comes out of Radio Shack with 20 Armitrons and a welding torch.
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fluffled Salvanas lets out a string of curses that would make you blush if we hadn't censored him.
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fluffled Salvanas tjopps.
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fluffled Salvanas whips out a pen and draws furtively in his sketchbook.
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): With an innocent look in his green eyes, Fluffled Salvanas meows.
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'the leaders of religions back then were barbaric people who would kill off anyone who didn't believe or pretend to believe their lies'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'nocurse  You will no longer see curse socials and channels.  :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Hmm, maybe it'st just private chans, or even just gtell... so far no curse randoms here...'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the commoners were afraid of a dictator or something, but there's 1 million commoners and 1 little gremlin freak calling himself their jesus on earth, are they outnumbered or would the freak be crushed'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fluffled Salvanas goes -Pinaaauuu!!!
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fluffled Salvanas waves a large bright white sign reading "IT COULD BE A POSSIBILITY !!"
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fluffled Salvanas makes his hands like moose antlers and shrieks, "MOOSE!!"
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i guess it's mind-control if things transpired anything like what they say happened'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fluffled Salvanas prods himself into action, how strange.
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fluffled Salvanas english speak good 4 u!
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fluffled Salvanas begins to talk about how he wants to have babies... odd.
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'i'm pretty sure they didn't live in towns of 1 million people :p'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Oops, just got a spam alert, ;)'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fluffled Salvanas opens a fresh bag of ntoes in your presence. You wipe away a dab of drool.
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'it might have been even as few as a few dozen people, with as many as half a dozen opressive leaders among them?'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i like the vikings, fight until the last one's dead and resist the piece of shit trying to be your king and rape your children into submission'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hundreds of newbies are blown to pieces after Fluffled Salvanas does some "roadwork" in The Grand City of Aylor!
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fluffled Salvanas shouts something about, 'Darn Ba'als!' and kicks at the air menacingly!
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'we need more viking attitudes here on earth'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'and it worked the same as bullying does generally now... but with killing'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Still no curse socials... hmm... '
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fluffled Salvanas bows as he finishes yet another performance of the Bards.
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fluffled Salvanas sits in the corner singing softly with headless dolls surrounding him.
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fluffled Salvanas drops his pants and gives you the vertical smile!
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fluffled Salvanas laughs merrily.
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fluffled Salvanas looks for someone to use his LAME pick-up line on.
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so, if everybody's against being bullied around to the death, then the last bully left standing will only be able to push himself around'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'give everybody cyanide capsules if captured'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Might just be private chans... maybe I'll go spam ftalk now, see if it's just gtell even.'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *snik*... you are ripped to shreds by the hail of bullets from Fluffled Salvanas!!
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fluffled Salvanas waves a large bright red sign reading "TITTER !!"
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fluffled Salvanas is on the Red team and dang proud of it!
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): KAPUUSCHHT Fluffled Salvanas opens a can of Psycola!!!
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fluffled Salvanas wiggles his toes wishing someone would suck them for him.
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'i'm pretty sure they didn't have cyanide capsules back then :P'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fluffled Salvanas is headed off on horseback, looking for some sheep and some ass.
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fluffled Salvanas's fist glows with blueish energy as he looks around for people's head to kok.
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'nvm, there we go.'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'but seriously, there was probably a mixture of those too scared to even question it, those raised with it from birth who thought it was normal, and those who didn't buy into it but were sensible enough to know if they spoke up or did anything they AND if 'found' to be a witch, their children also, would be killed'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Salvanas, those a lot of curse socials that are not yet flagged curse'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah, and all of those cowards held up the piece of shit who dictated who died and who didn't'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's one piece of shit on the top of the pile, and many disciples of shit'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'I was just doing debate *random... it finally hit Brokeback, shelp brokeback sates it's a curse only social?'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the disciples of shit can't organize themselves once you remove their master'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'I just got nipsuck on ftalk from random too. and i have nocurse on.'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'or OFF, I mean, the one where you don't see them.'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'even if a few of them who didn't buy into it got together - and who was safe to trust in these matters? it would be a risk trusting someone, it would further be a risk talking about it in case of being overheard, and they STILL would have been outnumbered'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'it's not nearly as simple as you'd seem to like to believe'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'outnumbered by ignorance, a real priest would be able to confront the moron telling them to kill people for god with verses from their own book condemning their actions'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then the people would go, wow it's written here in this book, if we're able to read, that tells us to kill witches from this piece of shits mouth, and would be confounded in their actions'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then their fear of god would be split in two'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and a temple divided against itself, how shall lits stand'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'when there are sexperverts at the top, there are plenty of sexperverts underneath supporting the sexpervert at the top'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think there's alot of sexperverts in the world today, perversion is the norm now and a stable family is damn near a upper class luxury, after their progidal sons are done reaping the peasant virgins'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but alot of the churches claiming to represent the god of gods here on earth are filled with a history of evil aren't they'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you can call it what you want, i see it for what i see it as, i don't adhere to anybody's version of god but my own understanding of reality and what it reveals to me'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'most religions i read have some racist elements in them, a holy sacred place where a chosen strain of human plants are the king's over all the weeds  in the world'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'they don't have the intent of evil now, but yes it is in the history of at least Christianity'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if god exists and wanted everything to be perfect, why would he go beyond space and invent anything within his own reflection?'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if god wanted no diversity, then why wouldn't everything be the same'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'a good point about diversity you should mention it to any religious people you meet who are racist'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'anyone know what's going down in Tokyo? the only direct info i had was coming from a live stream of a geiger counter in Tokyo on ustream but the channel has closed?'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'godzilla'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'news here saying the japanese officials were downplaying its severity, and while contrasting it to the 3 mile island disaster/success, have said it's escalated beyond that point'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'got people on the west coast of america all paranoid buying these potassium iodine capsules or something like that, while issuing warnings that they are bad for your health'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'not only uranium but plutonium and some other material were running wild'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then talking about the 2500 year half life of plutonium and how that leeched into the soil and water and foliage will be around for quite awhile before it starts to break down into something new'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'most of the stuff that came out of that reactor has a half-life of 8 days iirc'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '2 reactor workers reported missing and assumed dead'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'people are buying iodine over here, too. idiots.'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'we're on the other side of the fucking globe. get a fucking clue'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'well, there is things like the icelandic volcano's ash being seen as far west as newfoundland'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'those clouds of radiation riding the unpredictable currents of air could arrive thousands of miles away, considering things like that'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and it wouldn't make any difference'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'might as well be scared of backgroud radiation'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'also, that stuff has a really short half-life'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm not very paranoid about that, there's plenty of radioactive materials released into the environment surrounding me through potash and things like that on a daily basis, but in a situation like in japan there i do have concern over the safety of their people'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'everyone's safe for now. unless they have a catastrophic chernobyl-style meltdown (which is highly unlikely)'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'agriculture and all those things being affected, the feed they feed their animals the milk and all that containing more radioactive materials that weren't there before, even with that immediate zone cordoned off'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah, hopefully that doesn't happen'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'll repeat - that stuff has really short half-life'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'anyone have info on the radiation levels in Tokyo? if been recording the data for the last few days but it's not available any more from the sources i have been using...:('
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the contamination will be gone in couple of weeks if everything goes well'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm glad that people are mostly rational about it. especially the japanese'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i've heard that finns are going apeshit with radiation fear right now'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'our idiots just bought up all the food supplements with iodine, but they're supposedly queuing up at the doctors'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'any untampered sources of info would be greatly appreciated'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/asia/disaster-japan-live-blog-march-19 there's that'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i've been mostly reading al jazeera as well'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '8.8 from australia, 8.4 from canadian news, now 9.0 on al jazeera'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it must have been a big quake anyways'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'this is a good example why al jazeera is worth reading - http://i.imgur.com/UFC6r.jpg'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'one of many'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i just realized that you can catch a rare sight in japan right now - homeless asians'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'i'm really hoping for a source of direct information. Why the live stream of data from the radiation detector was terminated has me worried. '
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i've NEVER seen a homeless asian in my life'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'where do you live, dynamo?'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/recorded-radiation-levels-in-japan-no-threat-to-human-health-iaea/story-e6frf7jx-1226024465494'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that was posted within the last 20 minutes'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Massacrer Macbeth: 'there are plenty of homeless asians. you just have not seen the other side of asia'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i haven't been to asia tho'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but there are plenty of asians in europe. still haven't seen a homeless one'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i've seen homeless europeans, blacks, latinos etc. but never an asian'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's plenty of places in asia where people live with no electricity or modern luxuries'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Massacrer Macbeth: 'which part of europe you from? the fact that they are in living in europe, they are either 1) very rich 2) there working. in anycase they are pretty average. but homeless asians in europe? rare but definitely they are'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'nepal for instance has plenty of colonies of those people, along the northwestern section of china'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i guess they're not homeless but they live without money'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Massacrer Macbeth: 'i have to agree with that'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Massacrer Macbeth: 'it is hard to see this side unless you really look closely'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'i live near Sydney Oz. I know i there's not much exchange of atmosphere between hemispheres so i'm no too worried about my personal safety. Just want REAL info on what's going down'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'ok, but i'd expect to find at least ONE homeless asian guy in a chinatown'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'never happened'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'maybe they only come out at night'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and i was literally looking for them'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'AT NIGHT'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'this is the stuff that keeps me up at night'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Massacrer Macbeth: 'what time? lol'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Massacrer Macbeth: 'and they may not want to be seen at a homeless state so probably on the street'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Massacrer Macbeth: 'unless its bed time'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i've seen drug addicted asian people, but i imagine they have a home, haven't been through many cities though here in canada - often they're running a restaurant or a convenient store'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'or a massage parlor'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'these are the best'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i guess they have some funding from back home to set up shop to wherever they go'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Massacrer Macbeth grins evilly at Seltsimees Dagnir.
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that why i went to chinatown once a week'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there was one chinese gynocologist living in regina who sexually assaulted several women there'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nothing beats a foot massage if you have a standing job'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'idiot'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i guess eventually they took away his liscence'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'he could have just played it cool and the chicks would have spread their legs themselves'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i figure gynecologists should all be female'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Massacrer Macbeth: 'level of the sexual assault? '
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'why, necroshine?'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Massacrer Macbeth: 'i figured enough to get him suspended'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the cops probably have a full archive of testimony's from hundreds of women'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i've heard that male gynecologists are the best'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'he didn't even have his nurse present while performing his examinations, which is a requirement'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Massacrer Macbeth: 'nod. that is a requirement but again since its just 2 of them, its hard to say if she was really assaulted right. not taking sides but just to be fair'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'nobody has a good source? Real information is being blacked out...that's not a reassuring sign...'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lol , 1000 women who claim they're being violated by a chinese gynecologists is hardly 2 of them'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and it wasn't the staff member who reported him iirc, one woman made allegations and those who remained silent spoke up'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and eventually his secretary's spoke up'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1536#comic <- best gynecologist joke on the web'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Massacrer Macbeth: 'you have a link to that article?'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'page not found'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'http://www.leaderpost.com/entertainment/television/tv-listings/Jury+convicts+acquits+Regina+doctor+Edward+Poon+assault+case/3220806/story.html'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's regina's newspaper'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'http://www.globalnational.com/Another+woman+tells+trial+Regina+doctor+breast+pelvic+exams+were+inappropriate/3137137/story.html'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'apparently another in fort macmurray alberta who was found guilty of assaulting 6 women'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '"Who questions their doctor?" she said. "Who says, 'Excuse me, I think you're doing something wrong?'... He was the educated man. He was the doctor. He was the man with the experience."'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'OK nobody knows of an uncensorable source of information? seems people just don't want to know here... i'll try again later'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'what a nasty job, really'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Massacrer Macbeth: 'disgusting.'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Pleiades perks up, something must have grabbed his attention.
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Massacrer Macbeth: 'abusing his profession'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'as disgusting as the job itself?'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Massacrer Macbeth: 'well.. both ways i guess'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if i ever got married, and my wife had a male gynocologist or a male nurse assisting a female gynocologist, i would be accompanying them every time'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'penis doctors, what are they called'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i imagine that's not the type of job a male wants'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'shenocologist'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'urologists'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it is disgusting though yeah, maybe something larry flint would get a kick out of, but he can't ride a motorcycle anymore'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'actually, i'd rather have dude doing that. or an ugly chick'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'betaphrenologists'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'sure, i have a doctor who deals in the digestive tract and he hails from south africa, but he's a respectable person and does his job professionally'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nothing wrong with some pussy, but i guess you'll get couple of cheese sandwiches every week'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'people have troubles with their assholes and intestines and things like that, there's a demand beyond shame for a doctor to do the work'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'proctologists?'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Pleiades nods at Seltsimees Dagnir.
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'assholes are very important'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'I decided to become a proctologist so I could deal with all the assholes on ctalk'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'who's that black guy who's daughter went on to become a porn star?  he was some very wealthy and influencial person iirc'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'when i was in detox in regina once, this guy was doin heroine in the bathroom in one section of the joint, me and another guy were going to the park and buying weed from a 11 year old kid in another section of the joint, getting high and enjoying the detoxification from alcohol while going for walks through the hood, and another was handing out business cards for a webcam brothel where they offer live pornography'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i noticed a few of these type of people at AA meetings as well, it's as though they sense the addictive nature of people and pretend to be afflicted in order to recruit them with a new addiction'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'from what i hear they closed that joint down'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but in saskatoon there's a brothel that had some very high profile people there on the client list, which was withheld from public eyes'
T3/r3/2011-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'imagine what kind of blackmail can be taking place through things like that, it's astonishing how fear of being honest can control people'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'the latest: Apparently, Aomori [managing director] has finally admitted covering up of the scale of disaster at the crippled plant by his company for the purpose of not losing face. Amori acknowledged underreporting facts at Fukushima plant. He said his company was forced to mislead people because they feared that if people lose confidence in their government and officials the whole situation will become uncontrollable.'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's better than using money as a shield, like the gulf of mexico'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'Japanese authorities said they might have to simply abandon the plant, letting all of its reactors and spent fuel rods undergo meltdowns while they begin to bury the whole complex which is the size of at least a dozen football fields, under one huge pile of sand and concrete. Unfortunately this last scenario might not work either since for so many workers and equipment wanting to bury the entire plant they must get very close to the site thats constantly emitting high levels of radiation.'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah, and sooner or later that radioactive material will surface'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what's some permanant solutions'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'america offered to fly in some assistance'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm sure they mastered the art of radioactive resistant materials along with the 1000 times hotter than the sun loop under france and swizerland, for extreme heat'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if nothing lese that project there should be countered by the affect of the disaster unfolding today'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'else, reveal your mind and show them how to contain it'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's why they call you ancestors 1000 years from now, because you helped shape the reality they live in'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '2500 years if humanity manages not to destroy itself in that timeframe, will be face with innumerable disasters at the hands of the generations in the last 150 years'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that coal fire under pennsylvania doesn't get very much priority does it?  how far do those veins stretch, what is the money that diverts their attention elewhere'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'once i step foot on the moon myself i can say , heh i been to the  moon'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'hrm ... debate is the crackpot crap conjectures channel'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yea wahtever'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'point is proven, if their science isn't a lie, assistance is available or else their project is a disaster waiting to happen'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a mature philosopher prefers to avoid wild speculations -- false prophets are reviled disdained and discarded'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'false prophets are people who pretend, and i'm stating facts'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's a loop underneath of swizerland and france that they claim to generate heat 1000 times that of the core of the sun as though they've been there, and there's a arsenal of 50,000+ nuclear weapons in america along with several nuclear power stations'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'with that great insight shouldn't they be able to protect the people going closer to the source of the problem?'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'don't forget about their nanotech body armor also, claims to be over 28 times as strong as kevlar'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'for those explosive blasts'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so all help possible isn't being used , or else they're full of shit'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i read they plan to bury it in sand and concrete'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'refer to the spent rods buried under the canadian shield for how effective that is'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what happens if they explode the place?'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'evacuate all the people to china say'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they repopulated after hiroshima'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'in Hiroshima, apart from the immediate neutron damage there was no radioactive contamination, because the radioactive cloud rose into the stratosphere and was carried away.'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah, that's kind of what i was thinking, over time all that buried radioactive material will be festering in the environment for thousands of years and posing a constant problem, they are panicking'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how to trigger thoe reactors to explode, and how long until it can be reclaimed, it would require a worldwide participation to rebuild'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but if it's a cleaner solution, then it should be considered'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'explode the reactors is dangerous bs'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'explode the reactors is likely an extremely dirty result'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if there's no other way i mean, burying it just isn't very feasible, because it's proven to be ineffective on spent fuel rods in canada for instance, like starling says they figure there's ways to reuse or neutralize radioactive materials after they're used but politics keeps that from happening, they're aware too that burying tehm under a mountain or the ocean doesn't fix nothing, and what they bury isn't active'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'where they take it from somehow was naturally containing it'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'active in the sense of being usable by reactors'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it still releases harmful radiation'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'the fukushima number three plant used MOX fuel, which contains plutonium, one of the most toxic sustances known, Wherever this substance lands becomes permanently uninhabitable. The nuclear dream is rapidly turning into a frightening nightmare, just as was predicted by thoughtful people many years ago.'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but if after hiroshima things were clean, and if they could some how contain a blast like that, it might be a better solution to disposing of the problem than burying it'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '2500 years half life for instance, that fuel didn't arrive from japan, maybe nigeria'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'its ecosphere doesn't know how to deal with it maybe'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe if they flew in a granite containment field and caused a nuclear blast within it'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'with people at a safe proximity away from the field'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz suspects that Necroshine did not study much science in school
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i bombed out of nuclear physics'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but i did discover how to make gold out of a radioactive element and a cheap mineral'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Redryn suspects that Necroshine did not study much
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'come on Xylis...now is the time we need geniuses to provide solutions...what can be done?'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's not that i was unable to comprehend, i just quit school at that point'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'Chernobyl was just one relatively new reactor...here we have six reactors plus a forty year accumulation of nuclear waste, on a small highly populated island. Frankenstein's monster has escaped with who knows what consequences for the world.'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Frankenstein was a fiction, you derail your argument'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'the analogy is more accurate than i would like'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'with small half lifes on the spent rods in nuclear facilities those aren't really the concern, explode them too if you can'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but with 2500 years half lives, can you see that far in the future?'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they excavated it from nigeria and moved it to japan'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'where it was it may have been fine, but where it is now it's not'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'analogies are used to appeal to ignoramuses'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if they can somehow contain a blast to minimal destruction but still release all of the volatile forces within the rods into a cloud of extinguishable vapour, then that sounds like a better solution'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's enough equipment sitting dormant in military bases to assemble things like that'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if it fails then most will still be contained, if not then they have a proven mechanism'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine, suggesting to *blast* the rods, is a wannabe eco-terrorist'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'not even, ecology is terrorized constantly, the long term affects of a buried pile of foreign nuclear material is far more destructive to the environment than the sudden impact of a explosion'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and this explosion would affect mostly the land underneath the containment field, which can be filled with any number of dampeners to lessen that impact'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine, your suggestion to use a nuclear explosion to blast the rods is supportive of gross ecocide likely to result from the uncontained radioactive fallout'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'well Xyliz your wish for a large reduction in human population might now be fulfilled. Happy?'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'if they are unable to contain the leaking reactor, they are less likely to contain a nuclear blast inside that leaking reactor'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the fallout there was a observation of the healthy japanese people after hiroshima, and that's within 60 years, those were intended for death - this would be intended for preservation but using a best predicted and better contained mechanism to control that explosion'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i just think it's better to get things over with instead of leave them for others to deal with in the future'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'you appear to be under the impression that nuclear explosions destroy radiation'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine is deliberately wrong and is a danger to society'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and since it's proven that people have survived the murderous intent of one nuclear catastrophe, a contained humanitarian effort to ignite a similar catastrophe to preserve the future seems like a viable option'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'hell it's proven'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'nobody would have to die at all, it would just have to be properly structured to the best of their understanding, and similar results unfold'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'you are a blatant liar, Necroshine, and a wannabe false teacher'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't think so'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you certainly polite, Xeliz.'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if they can release the neutron's or whatever that give those rods their catastrophic light through triggering their chain detonations within a containment field, and then release that cloud, or contain that cloud for some reason from that field, maybe they'll have a better way and understanding of how to deal with nuclear disasters along with preventing the constant contamination of japan's soil for over 8500 years'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'from imported nuclear materials'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the thing is to collaberate with the non-bought masters in nuclear energy and weaponry and then the architects of the bunkers, and design the explosion'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think it's a better solution that letting it fester'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'otherwise that entire island may be uninhabitable given enough time'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '[19 Mar 03:39:28] (Debate) Necroshine: ' .. , a contained humanitarian effort to ignite a similar catastrophe ..'  <-- Necroshine suggested deliberately causing a catastrophe in the name of humanitarianism'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Buried Dreadlocker: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlZFGmUDPNY&feature=related'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Buried Dreadlocker: 'lets not argue'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Buried Dreadlocker: 'listen to that tune'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Buried Dreadlocker: 'and feel the damn love.'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so ? i'm no cult member, and by humanitarianism i'm thinking in terms of what has transpired and what keeps people alive, both now and in the future'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Die! Dreadlocker - digital music is noise'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Buried Dreadlocker: 'but :('
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Buried Dreadlocker: 'its good noise.'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Buried Dreadlocker: 'heres another brian tyler classic, enjoy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sj91TxtvLc'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Buried Dreadlocker ducks defensively.
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm sure china is scared of its implications'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'why would they scorn the japanese refugees who seek temporary shelter from such an experiment?'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and having the un set places for them if china becomes an asshole would result in their protection regardless'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'plus there's several other japanese islands'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Buried Dreadlocker: 'Necroshine, you want to know whats going on in Japan? :) :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'not really, i imagine some chaos on the tokyo island'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but they're remaining pretty calm i hear'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Buried Dreadlocker: 'Well, Japan has amazing fashion.. and they have this amazing food we call Sushi...'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you claim to live in japan?'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i doubt any are on here, though jexebelle might have moved back to vegas'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if i had that shit happening next door to me i'd be considering the same thing'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Buried Dreadlocker: 'I made a statement on how good their fashion/food is.. where the hell did you get the idea that I lived in Japan?'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'sure , every japanese person i ever met has been very polite, and same with chinese'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they cook good too, that's true'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i consider their personalities before their material wealth'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i live in a province where chemicals and radioactivity are the australian forefront with america's backing'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i guess canada's mainly a whore for other country's to leech their resources from'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but canadian peace keepers never had a problem at the afghanistan border units until america made war on them, and even then, canada committed to that war '
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'cause afghanistan people could go there if they needed refuge from assholes and stuff like that'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'in the grand scheme of things if there's some beyond human intelligent designer who exacts vengeance where it is due, then there is no argueing his judgement'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm not much of an atheist'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but i do see logic'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think it'd be good if canada removed all of its offensive troops from afghanistan'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and rerouted them to somewhere like tanzania where 13 year old albino girls are being decapitated and sold to witchdoctors by soldiers armed by russia'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'hoodlums with guns'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'hell, i'll join the army if you set me straight'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm glad to see that there's some russians who hate their government'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'hopefully they tear it down'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lenin wasn't teh killer, stalin was the killer'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'john f kennedy was my favourite us president'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they say it might have been the italian mafia who murdered him, what do you think?'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i considered blowing up some propane tanks of their mafia boss over west before'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but that would be non-conclusive since i have no answer'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'bomb the righteous targets suckers'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you want a planet full of corpses then lets build it, you want a planet full of progress, then lets build it'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'though this catastrophe is shocking and depressing, if it wakes people up then it might be the saviour of humankind. The nuclear lobby have been keeping their head down since Chernobyl, promulgating a fear campaign against their rival energy producers. This has forced their ugly head back into the limelight. Now the new generation will be aware of their flsae promises.'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's not beyond the comprehension of the professionals to mitigate what forms of energy and what resources are neccessary in a given area'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'money makes that comprehension say money'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'wal mart has a stone roof, go figure, all that electric light could be coming from the sky and charging the batteries for their nightlights'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i met the types of people who profit from it, and i seen the size of their enforcement'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'a 12 guage shotgunt would fix them up straight, but they think everybody cowards'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroishine, if you reside in Canada, your prior speech may already be viewed by some as a crime in Canadian Law'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i really hate the idea of society of eternity of humanity being dictated by a bunch of meatheaded idiots with no mind whatsoever'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ullin: 'canada doesn't have freedom of speech? or only freedom of speech if in french?'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't fear the law here, i seen politicians getting away with rape'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'damn rights it has freedom of speech'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the free speech amendment applies to the USA, and even then, writing threatening poetry about the President is viewed as a crime'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if i was in america i could exercise it too'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'where's a presidential threat there king nothing'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'osama bin obama?'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'forged birth records said the internet, comparing heights and facial features wee see a contrast'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'born in kenya, schooled in indonesia, muslim blessed by the light of the church of america'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you don't want criticism then get to the job and quit the bullshit'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'worked for the cia too, hmm'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'as far as i see president obama is bin laden in disguist'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so the internet told me'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'president bush, the big chief of america, got past the fbi requirements of having no criminal record at all, with hi cocaine wrap - now we have a second collegue'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'wasn't that him and bin laden on a golf course in that photograph?'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'The fact is, if nuclear energy proliferates, it's only a matter of time before evil forces (terrorists) get control of nuclear weapons, and if this happens the world is in very deep shit.'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'like i said, 1 on 1, one at a time, you bring your army and i'll fight till the death'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you're proven to be fighting for a crooked snake'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'bring your politicians on, we'll see if theirs strings breka mine'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm pretty sure i got your cops under control'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Buried Dreadlocker: 'listen you tossers (general broad categorization, NOT personal attack), how about, you get off your arses, go join the military instead of talking about shit that you read off the net? :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the only forces ever to use that type of destructive force was the US. If they can justify such use why can't anyone else?'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i wasn't even talking about destructive force'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Dreadlocker was'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'sorry to bring reality into our lovely ordered aardworld but i just felt i had to say these things and now that i've said them i'm finished'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i planned an evacuation for their population before using the 'proven' neuron releasing method employed by atomic bombs'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and their soon reoccupation of the affected territory'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if someone else uses nuclear weapons they are terrorists but the US and others get to stockpile them even at the cost of declining standard of living for their citizens.'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and with containment fields, and the science they CLAIM under france and swizerland, and the bombs they say they MASTER in america'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'show us your shit '
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they ought to be able to come up with a contained explosion if not a fix'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not only that, but your average terrorist doesn't have the technology or the infrastructure to build such weapons which means that the suppliers have to be those nations that stockpile such weapons.'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah anaristos , they're for the betterment of global domination'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'what is required is those StarTrek phasers, or those Stargate zats'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i read that every US president up until around 1975 was of a genetic bloodline direcly linked to a english king'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'those phasers and zats cause things to simply  disappear'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's books on the subject'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah it's foolishness hey'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'where they dig the uranium from in nigeria, that environment is naturallly unstable?'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the fact that the conservation law of mass energy is grossly violated does not seem to worry the users of those phasers and zats'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so you figure piling sand and concrete on it will fix it'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'see that's an alternative'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yin yang'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but it's a dead arguement so fuck it'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'put all your faith in science, it burns 10,000 times hotter than the core of the sun under schizophrenia and france'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they've been there and stuff'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'http://www.solarviews.com/eng/galileo.htm'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'can't even crack the atmosphere of jupiter, hundreds of thousands of miles above its surface'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'kerboom '
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'alien in biblical context means foreigner, hawkings may be from a different continent along wit the malaysian (islam) alien speaker the un pays and designates in his place'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe that's the head of the terrorists'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what do you figger'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i can invent some flying machine that look like aliens and mutate your body to fit the description if i wanted to'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe some elecronical azrael blocks would be good enough for a witness'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'terror against false media'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'panz hitler reich'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'quit leeching from your murderous historians gains'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'your government spends more money on orbiting Titan which may be a hypothesis and a lie, along with blowing holes in the moon which islamics see as a sign with the impact of the rockets fragments studied from earth not considered'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the hubbard telescrope seen it, t must be nazireal'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lookin for water'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'do they seem to care about water on your planet?'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i  lik that universal consciousness'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'your dark sun doesn't stand much of a chance against it'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how about your dictators come worship me as their god'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and then i'll feed them to you'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'hey Necroshine i said i was finished...you can turn off the verbal diarrhea'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you can turn off nasa'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the diarrhea's all in your head'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i must have an iq of 7'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'quit picking on retards'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'would you settle for the post run? for the fire of the hand gun'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): .Faust Necroshine rolls some zig zag asswipe
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'there is a rumor that untreated third stage syphilus may result in raving dementia -- perhaps Necroshine is symptomatic of this'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'monkey's taught me the formula that made me immune to xyliz disease'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"Xyliz r us" is not "syphilus" -- reading comprehension errors are another symptom of diseased dementia'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'do you figure xyliz is sitting in one of those russian laboratories with thousands of computers and monitoring internet traffic for her stalin jesus?'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yes, give me the best pills you have'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'll feed them to your siblings'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'don't fuck with me directly , or you will be directly fucked back in return'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's the way it goes'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'do you fear nothing?'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'some of us embrace it'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'of all faiths'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's colder than death'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'people fear me'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'when i want them to'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'doesn't mean i'm a witch, it means i'm a demon or different than you'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or you're demons and i'm an angel'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or i'm human and you're demons'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'had a kid inspired by the movie warlock here in 1998 , murder a 4 year old virgin boy and skin him then boil his fat and drink it'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'he was about 13 years old'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'he just wanted to fly you know'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'panz hitler reich'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that murdoch been around since hitlers time, same with h r giger'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what do you figure'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'in 1931 a woman got raped, and the court decided she should be castrated, and successful rulings castrated over 60,000 americans'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i wonder if hitler read that book'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'duh'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'iq of 7 remember'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm a metronome singing fantasy's from american humous'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you might recognize giger as having founded several of your satanic cults'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'he's an artist who drew the necronomicon at the expense of his suicidal wife, who committed suicide after tearing the original in half'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i guess she's just a hollywood kgb whore though'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'alien was a good movie'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'CNN links Obama to Osama bin Laden http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvkghglXMmE&playnext=1&list=PL337605B2FC5AD65B'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'ninja quiff or kafir whiff?'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you better assassinate me, cause i'm the one who first pointed that out'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '!?'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The assassination budget for 2011 has already been used, you'll have to queue up in 2012'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'kk'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and the reason the killer of the little girl was rejected from the military is classified'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'shot a politician in the head too'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'america needs a real good cleaning'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'rifle squadrons yeah'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'new death penalty'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'we'll charge their families for the bullets'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think the world should go to war on america'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and then russia'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and then china'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and then south africa'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: '.. and then upon itself'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'those fractions aren't the world'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they're asshole motherfuckers who keep the world in a state of deterioration  eternally'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they should all be castrated at the least'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'destruction or your nuts king nothing, what shall it be'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'fuck em'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'hand me all the destructive materials in the world and i'll build myself an arsenal, cause i have a mind and can comprehend'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'that is debatable'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'biological warfare is a bonus'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: '(the comprehension and mind thing)'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'every material is destructive if you have a mind'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you're rand corporation which since nazi germany dictated the usa, you're debatable'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'fuck your brain randor'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i bet you can't even think for yourself'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'did you know fuck is a fine lager from austria'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'takinga  randor and a adolf hitler and his counterpart ( i would choose the counterpart ) i would choose hitler'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that doesn't mean i hate jews, it just means i hate you'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lenin hated you too'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'you do realise that you should probably be locked up and under supervision, right?'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i realize that'll never happen'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and anybody who tries will die'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you can supervise my ghost as i murder your seed from the earth'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'don't fuck with me'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'because i have you numbered and covered'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'fuck you and your existance you pig'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stick it Inicus: 'Word up'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the pig you eat is worth more than you'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lets see how dark we can get'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i like death'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it adds a new color to the rainbow'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stick it Inicus: 'Death isn't a color, if you didn't know.'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'niggers murdering white people in south africa is though'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stick it Inicus: 'Seriously dude, everybody doesn't give a shit about your stupid bullshit rants'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think we ought to join the ku klux klan and the hells angels and fly on down there to bomb them to hell'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stick it Inicus: 'But you really have to use that language?'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'while insulting people individually is sad, you shouldn't cross certain boundary that is given by the law'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'your intelligence agencies are flimsy'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'fuck around and get apostled'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stick it Inicus: 'Apostle is a verb now?'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i made it one jew'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stick it Inicus: 'That's like saying "get America'd"'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stick it Inicus: 'Ouch =('
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'jerusalem will burn according to your prophets'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stick it Inicus: 'orly'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'this here maybe a recurring experience'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe lasher's a nazi jew'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe not'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but i guess his opinion is his god'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'can't handle real debates can you rand aI thor '
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stick it Inicus: 'It's not a real debate when it's with you man'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'you're joking right?'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'your profession is my joke'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'your forefront is my enemy'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stick it Inicus: 'Half the time, you ignore what anyone says and instead you just rant about racisism'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'spewing out nonsensical oxymorons wasn't considered debate, last i checked'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Stick it Inicus snickers with Randor about their shared secret.
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'bring on the guns whenever you want'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you think you're smart and i can fly through the universe on machines i invented in my mind'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine, the end to that movie, where Sundance Kid and Buch Cassidy went out with guns blazing, that was fiction'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stick it Inicus: 'Maybe Necroshine is really Charlie Sheen'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't share those with you because you're you'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so you can suck my terrorist ass'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'the accusation of not being able to handle debate from someone who uses the term "nazi jew" is a good thing, actually'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'fuck you and israel'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'israel is cursed by god and the prophet samuel'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you will burn'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'and seriously, have you checked debate -h lately? it's all one huge monologue with some occasional eyerolls from random onlookers'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'wow rand using public opinion like a lawyer, using my own assumption that others wll check -h'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'real smart guy there'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Randor, if you watched the conversation, Necroshine was blazing away at a wide range of everything'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you got a point'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'fuckin idiot'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'show me something that makes sense'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's right xyliz'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'you need professional help, i'm not sure what's your problem but you're obviously spewing out nonsense at incredible rate, jump from topic to topic, unable to hold a thought'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i have several enemies'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'randor here's a extremist jew nigger bastard'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stick it Inicus: 'I wish I could be this rude to people and not get nuked.'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i heard the word nigger on snoop dawgs songs and thought it was cool'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I think most of us have put 'ignore' on necroshine by now. I am .. starting now.'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you got a problem with that'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'good for you, join the club'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'we got a vatican nearby'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm afraid i know more than any professional on earth'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'i rest my case'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'keep telling yourself that.'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'given a focal point i will discover what he knows'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Lets face it when you start calling people names.. you've lost a debate.'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'keep putting the bills before the intelligence'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I disagree, November'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Name calling indicates you have nothing intellectual to say in response to an argument. Thus, you're out of steam.. you lose.'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'though you should really take this crap somewhere else, while debate has a very loose terms on what is or isn't allowed, debate as such has two points that your crap doesn't: a) more than one person, b) topic'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Not necessarily'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stick it Inicus: 'And racist remarks generally aren't allowed anywhere.'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a small percentage of the things Necroshine says are somewhat a reminder of something to be aware of, and thus somewhat educational'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'rand corporation indicates a US nazi affiliation with prescott bush's steel mill in nazi germany'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'along with the military economy signed in 1954 with general electric'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'What, that the whole world should attack America? Do you know what at all that would do for the lives of everyone everywhere? I mean think about it.. for more than 2 seconds and you'll realize it's not worth any thought whatsoever from an intellectual standpoint.'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so go fuck yourself with a uranium stake bitch'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Or what? That we should be reminded that we're somehow racists nazi jews? What?! I mean, this is truly inane babble.'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'i actually met a guy like this on subway, he's been obviously suffering from some sort of disorder, muttering more or less random sequences of words forming vague sentences, along the lines of "i told them, bush killed hitler with all the jews, i've been telling them all along", randomly into the space, not aimed at anyone in particular, at a rate that would make scatman blush, beats me what kind of disorder that is though'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'your disorder is legion that you're possessed by'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the devil is far slyer than you'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'and if somebody is able to debate against a Necroshine, they are more able to debate against (say) a Republican, a Glenn Beck, a John O'reilly, etcetera'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'your judgement of my intelligence is as justifiable as ghosts appearing in your shit balls'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'go take a look at osama bin laden and president obama'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then some denmark real estate linked to a night club in florida with president obama as a patron with some swedish whore'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's all there'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'look into what a plastic surgeon can do'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stick it Inicus: 'Look into what medication can do.'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'forged birth records'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'schooled in islamic indonesia , best choice here'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The River Styx nods at Stick it Inicus.
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'born in kenya, white genocide'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'what's wrong with Indonesia.'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'man, you guys know how to pick a winner'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'indonesia doesn't persecute murderers'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'oo, seems me and styx have a contrasting personality disorder'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i will have to remove myself from this aard clan'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'll speak with my mind and won't need one'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'be afraid to type anything now'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'how much alcohol is talking here'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'only a case'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '0'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'how much alcohol is talking there'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'enough for you to make your plea to lasher to ban em'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i really don't mind at all'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz does not drink alcoholic beverages
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'll maybe take my time destroying this game while i dissassemble the operating system hosting it'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'because i enjoy things like this'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'sobriety is more fun than a drunken stupor'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'who defines fun'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'agent dashiell, robbo, ashkelon (robot)'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'cia headquarters nah, they're too busy sniffing cocaine'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legend of Venomangel: 'whats better,the new 007 movies or the old 007 movies?'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'old.'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'cos sean connery is the best bond ever.'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Roger Moore ?'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Roger Moore was previously famous as Simon Templar, the Saint'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the recent bonds are unbelievable'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'sean connery had the good fortune of being in Goldfinger'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'that was unbelievable - if Goldfinger were russian, Bond be in pieces from laser surgery'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: ''"No Mr Bond, i expect you to die" and die Bond did'  is the proper ending to Goldfinger'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Goldfinger was unbelievable crap'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the incinerator bot ought to be upgraded to give out a full SH spellup for say 200k -- with optional cancel first -- you pays your 200k and you get a spellup - no demeaning or prostituting yourself with abject begging  (shivers and shudders at begging)'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's an incinerator bot, not a spellup vendor'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the incinerator is taking up space - may as do something useful instead of pretending to be an incinerator bot'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I believe it destroys chaos portals'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he does do something useful'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DuneStar: 'something useful'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'how is destroying chaos portals useful'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DuneStar: 'debate something useful'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yet again "I don't know its use" is touted as "nothing useful"'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'what, Dunestar, you complaining about usefulness of this debate -- where's Necroshine to set to straight er crooked or something '
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I just love how Obama's quote about Libya today is exactly the same thing Bush said on Mar. 19 2003 about Iraq... I guess Obama = Bush now..'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I think it's quite unfair to compare Obama with Bush'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Obama has much better marketing and media support, for one'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Well the reason he's giving for fighting Libya today is very similar to the one Bush gave for fighting Iraq.'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also far more homogeneous government (Wall Street as far as the eye can see!)'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I mean one has to compare foreign policy between the two.. and say in this case, they are similar.'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that is true'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I wonder if the anti-war protestors will turn on him. The plot thickens..'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'syria's government's murdering its protesting citizens too now according to the news'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'good to see that they're coming clean and displaying hteir true nature'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'just when a global catastrophe is occuring what do you do? start a new war of course :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'it's all about peace through superior fire power'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'and laws based on islam, to keep the women under control'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yes human cattle and the cowboys from hell'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'only thing fair about life is death and most people disagree on that'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'yeah, but then I get to hook up with my Lord and Savior'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'will there be women there though'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'or do they go to hell by default'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Heaven is open to people of both genders, Pleiades.'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'then I don't want to go there'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'well'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'I guess there's people needed for cooking and cleaning'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'so maybe they can take the shuttle bus from hell to heaven's kitchen'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'death can't be so bad, every bad memory i ever had occurred while alive, if the ending is as the beginning it seems to be as good as it gets'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Well, no one really knows, but I doubt sincerely that's how it works. However, this is a bad topic to debate, since factual evidence is hard to come by.'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ahh, but what percentage of your good memories were from when you were alive?'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i lost them all with dementia and stuff'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'didn't ask what you lost'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I sometimes think this channel is misnamed, it should perhaps be the philsophy channel.'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'and of course, no liberal media in heaven'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Of that we can be certain.'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'and big screens TV with Fox News'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'where does Westboro church fit in though'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'I haven't fully figured that out'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'and on Fridays, you get to crucify sinners for free'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'i love crucifying sinners'
T3/r3/2011-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Pleiades is agreeing with that Drakoth person again...
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Pleiades peers around himself intently.
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ol' Dirty Fiendish pees around himself intently.
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'http://www.thefreeradical.ca/civilLawsuits/canadianCopycatIncidents.html should hollywood be more careful or equal in its charles manson - like accusations against people?   here we see a listing of copycat murders and thrill seeker inspired by movies from hollywood, breaking various laws'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'for instance'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'LaRonge, Saskatchewan: 14-year-old Sandy Charles murdered a 7-year-old boy. He was fascinated with the horror movie Warlock and its sequel, which he watched 10 times before the child was killed and mutilated. Mutilations done to the child mirrored incidents depicted in the movie. (Case in Saskatoon renews criticisms of TV violence, Globe and Mail, June 20, 1996)'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'on the news i heard, he believed he could fly if he boilde a virgins fat and drank it'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'so necro, do you agree with the US' decision to bomb Libya?'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they're not bombing citizens as far as i hear, but the government there is apparently attempting to move into area's surrounded by civilians in order that the bombs will be more hesitantly dropped on the citizens'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i really don't know all the realities surrounding the story except the bits and pieces i caught from the news'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'its not about whether they're bombing citizens'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'do you agree with the bombing in itself?'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't agree with the libyan government murdering its citizens, as reported'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they used bombs didn't they?'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'well, if it was to quench a rebellion?'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'rebellion / protest against a man who's dictated their lives for 45 years'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if i lived there and witnessed how its citizens are treated by their government then i could be on a stance to judge whether or not things are dealt with fairly by that government or not'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but i wasn't ever there to see for myself'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'the crux of the issue is, why is a foreign country meddling in Libya's affairs and how is that right?'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'define "libya's affairs"'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'their internal issues.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they say over 5-7 protestors in syria were murdered by their government recently as well, on the news - along with showing a video sent out from libya the person who took that video was later executed aparently'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I fail to see how violent suppression of political dissent is just an internal issue'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'why is it not? how does it affect the US?'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'or UK / France?'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's a thing called human rights for one rallying point, then there's a thing called oil for another'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'imho, it's all about the oil.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I hope it brings prices down.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'if its human rights, the US would've sent troops into soem of the African nations a long time ago.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sneak shakes his head at Starling.
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The price went up today.  I wanted to arson the goddamn gas station with the owner inside.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'apparently it's causing prices to go up since theres "unsettlement" '
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'it's ridiculous.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I hate gas station owners.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I'm paying $1.45/litre'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'on average, whereas I was paying 99c/litre this time last year'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Sucks to be you Sneaksy, twas 139/l here today.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'most of america's oil comes from within america and on the american continent, largely from canada as well'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I give the finger to the one near my house every time I drive by.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sneak sobs quietly to himself because Fluffled Salvanas was a jerk!
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'venezuela is rich from oil'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I really do.  I put my hand out the window and let the bird fly.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'you may as well be arguing that the US had no business attacking Germany in 1941'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'they did not.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'but that's another story for another day.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'people really shouldn't be profiteering from death when it has no real impact on the amount of a resources availability where they're racketing at'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'and yet history shows that it was a good thing to do'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'as far as i'm concerned'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Jesus H. Christ, Sneak.  Where do you live that you have to pay $5.50 per gallon?'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'most of the fuel excavated from european continental (as a whole large body of land) remains there'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'many places in the world pay far more than that'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'canada produces more fuel than it consumes in a year, and america really probably gets sufficient fuel from the american continent'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'starling, Melbourne, Australia'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Oh, are you talking Australian dollars?'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Starling, the rest of the world doesn't have as heavily subsidised fuel as you lot. '
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the price jacking propaganda should be illegal imo, because it doesn't affect anybody's life here, so an oil company with stocks in new york is the real problem i guess, upping the prices of the surplus'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'yes, but it's on parity with USD'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Fuck the rest of the world. :P'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'we need subsidised fuel in Australia :p'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'And I'm pretty sure the only reason that it's as heavily subsidised as that is because you and a few million others would lynch any administration who decided to put it up =D'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And rightfully so.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'That, and because the whole country would probably collapse.  I honestly doubt that the US would tolerate such high prices for long.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I'm fairly certain there are laws in place that control how rapidly the price of gasoline can increase'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Gasoline is a de facto utility and the price should be regulated as such.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'It's also a rapidly diminishing resource.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm almost certain that vehicle manufacturers around the world along with fuel suppliers and energy companies calibrate their products to specifications that make each section of the monopoly constant income, alot like the electric car invented in 1887 by rover, the 110 year new york fire station light bulb, the lifespan of most products is reduced in favour of having to buy a upgrade or replacement, things aren't optimized for performance or integrity, but consumption and cost'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I prefer to see gas prices increase beyond a comfortable range rather than decrease to further within one'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fluffled Salvanas is agreeing with that Ol' Dirty Fiendish person again...
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I honestly don't care if it's diminishing or not.  I'll be pushing up daisies long before it becomes a problem.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i mean, the original inventors of the things they make these profiteering monopoly's around invented their products built to last, and perfected them as they went along the way, but the monopolists invented ways that made them short lived and built to fail after a certain amount of time, otherwise they wouldn't have much of a constant income from this one invention'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Isn't this the debate we were having last night? :P about whether doing what is RIGHT means doing it for yourself now or for the population as a whole? :P'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm not concerned about the population as a whole.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'All I care about is whether I can pay my bills on time to keep the banks off my ass.  As long as I can swing that, I'm happy.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And high fuel prices get in the way of that, so of course I'm against them.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Well, that's your prerogative. =)'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I don't care if future generations have problems.  I'm never having kids, so "my kids" won't be suffering from anything.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if vehicles ran on water where the temperature doesn't drop below freezing, with maybe a small backup generator or fuel cell for heating the free fuel when neccessary, then where would be the oil company's cut, and what kind of support would the car manufacturer receive if it made a superior vehicle that was non-toxic?'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'I disagree, but if that's your view, then this isn' a debatable topic. =)'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Your shitsacks != my shitsacks.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the facade-scientists would come up with endless reasons why it's not feasible to design elaborate multi-dimensional energy conservation plans, because the main sources of fuel make them so much money'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'starling doesn't care about anyone other than starling'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fluffled Salvanas is agreeing with that Starling person again...
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Pretty much, Fiendish.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'what's a facade-scientist?'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'I don't know. I kinda tune out to the big walls of red, just focus on the smaller more sensible ones...'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'starling doesn't care about people less fortunate than starling, because they are not starling'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'They should roll back some of the ridiculous environmental laws, also.  E.g. low sulfur diesel and all that crap.  I'd rather deal with acid rain than pay extra.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'for instance, you can brew all the beer you want given grain, and you can brew high concentration hydrogen peroxide that can fuel a engine that'll break the speed of sound - totally disconnected from fossil fuels and nontoxic emissions, re-usable even source of energy, according to what i read'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Fiendish:  Your point being....?'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Starling, you would, but I guess the majority wouldn't, which is why we have those laws :P'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'starling doesn't care about having beautiful blue skies and clean air to breath if that means paying a few pennies more per gallon'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The majority is stupid.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling is agreeing with that Ol' Dirty Fiendish person again...
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'an engine for a vehicle could be calibrated properly and the concentrations for those vehicle's engines brewed in a controlled environment, and still sold at the gas pumps, but i guess this would be for a place where it doesn't often freeze, and then in the case it does freeze maybe a solar powered water heater wrapped around the fuel tank would suffice'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'starling might just consider ending it all now if life is so miserable for starling'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Ha, you wish.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then there's one less demand for fossil fuels, if you can go over 600 mph in a rocket fueled by it, why couldn't you fuel a tractor engine that tills your fields with it?  then you can have nontoxic beer too'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: '... how can someone able to string such massive sentences together coherently also be able to be completely tangential or irrelevant?'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm doing my part to help the world by not reproducing.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'markov chains'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'We're overpopulated, anyway.  We don't need more kids in the world.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I hardly think that doing nothing is doing one's part'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Sometimes nothing is something.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'people could do those kind of things if they put their minds to it and got rid of greed as the main currency of their lives, it ends in destruction like the gulf of mexico and stuff like that'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's a maybe limitless supply of alternatives and methods that can be dispersed globally to sustain a non-toxic society that isn't without the modern luxuries'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Think about it.  If the world population fell by half, resource supplies would effectively be doubled because there would be fewer people requiring them.  The whole problem is being approached from the wrong angle.  We don't need green technology.  People need to stop shitting loaves and let the population decline.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Heck, I'm gonna agree with something of Necro's... you hit it on the head there. A lot of modern "rights" that people are reluctant to give up are in fact luxuries, not neccesities of life. '
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: '... by that argument, we should help it on it's way, drop a few conventional megatonners indiscriminately? :P'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'starling might have a point if it not for the fact that most of the world's population doesn't actually use any of the resources'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'But no, we have religions pushing the idea that "baybeeeeeees are saaaaaaacred" and "birth control and abortion are eeeeeeeevil".  And you wonder why the population is out of control?  Sheesh.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'being made a slave isn't a luxury, having a slave isn't a natural thing, human rights here has a point in equality , the first humans probably had no king beyond being mutually accepted'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and acceptable'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Okay, and now you lost me again. :P'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Hell, then let the U.S. population fall by half or more.  Good for the country - fewer welfare mouths to feed.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'most people think they aren't slaves, but then most people don't seem to wonder why or how donald trump can do nothing and get paid for it and how he got there in the first place'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And hey, less unemployment.  Have to fill all those vacancies :P'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'their absence of slavery includes wiring his skyscrapers and erecting them, inserting plumbing and cleaning the windows'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'True, that would actually be a good thing for the environment. However, also against your current human rights laws.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Seriously, loaf-shitting is the core of the problem.  Unchecked reproduction needs to be stopped.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Reproduction should NOT be a human right.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'natural selection today is dictated mostly by money, who is naturally rich has naturally lots of loafs'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'to put it in your terms'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Breeders should have to take tests and get a license before shitting a loaf.  Weed out shitty, unfit parents before they sprog.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'perhaps starling did not have very good parents'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'whoever wants to be treated with respect should treat others with respect, who doesn't want to be a bastard shouldn't invent bastards'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'My parents were just fine, thank you.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'But no way in hell would I ever want to go through the hassles they did, simply because they had kids.  No. way. in. hell.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'starling's parents couldn't have been fine if they failed to impart a basic respect for other people on starling'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'starling may be the product of a damaged upbringing'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yeah.  Anyway, I'll take the ad hominems as indication that you have lost this argument.  Have a good evening :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Well, as for what should or shouldn't be a human right, the time for that's long past, I'm afraid. If you want to argue against a particular right, then someone could legitimately argue that the "right" to a subsidised fuel should be repealed too.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'is not hominemizing, merely speculating'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: '+:'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'hominemizing, eh? I should use that in my next assignment paper.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You know nothing of my upbringing, therefore you have no leg to stand on in commenting on it in any fashion whatsoever.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ol' Dirty Fiendish has three legs to stand on.
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'starlings behavior today gives some evidence that allows one to speculate on the developmental process earlier in starling's life'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'should people be concerned about science's claim that they know the temperature of the sun, and have buried under switzerland and france a atom smashing machine which they believe to conduct heat 10,000 times as great as that?'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'dunno. should they?'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'And... BAM! Completely unrelated "fact". '
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'talking about weapons of mass destruction, well, the sun's pretty important to the earth and not something we want to be falling into isn't it?  having a machine that is hotter than it as they say, seems alarming'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Was that a rhethorial question?'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's a lingering memory and seems a bit dangerous'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'open to debate isn't it'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and where do they get their authoritative figures of that heat, while they claim the probe they sent to jupiter burned up over 100000 miles above its surface?'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'jupiter maybe not quite as hot as the sun'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'You know what, I think I'm gonna adopt Starling's I-don't-care attitude for the next hour or so. I've got other more important things to be worried about. Like poached plums and hazelnut icecream. :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Toodles!'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'unlikely'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Oh, very likely. I've been poaching them for the past hour.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Sticky syrupy goodness.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'just imagine, what would happen if a fault line they didn't discover split that vacuum tube in two'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how they're handling this meltdown in japan might be a smaller scale anomaly to contrast to this hypothetical disaster'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'seems like a very un-neccessary risk to be taking, building these machines, you know'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'which machines?'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'transformers?'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'The LHC, I'm guessing. :P'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'those contain a dangerous fluid too yeah, but i don't think it's quite so dangerous as 10,000 times hotter than the sun, and the study of antimatter'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fluffled Salvanas snickers with Ol' Dirty Fiendish about their shared secret.
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'http://wisdomofsolomon.com/bigbang.html A NUCLEAR accelerator designed to replicate the Big Bang is under investigation by international physicists because of fears that it might cause "perturbations of the universe" that could destroy the Earth. One theory even suggests that it could create a black hole. '
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fluffled Salvanas can hear the theme music now: "Transformers, electrical componentry in disguise!"
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'see, it's not fabricated hallucinations, i think destruction of the world is about as mass destruction territory as it can get here on earth'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: '... Again, referencing .com websites do nothing to prove anything, except shoddy "research" techniques.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'knowledge is knowledge'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'subscribe to this rss feed and you can know AS IT HAPPENS when the lhc destroys the world. http://www.hasthelhcdestroyedtheearth.com/rss.xml'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'no, evidence is knowledge. Unsubstantiated theories is conjecture != knowledge.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'by Jonathan Leake,  http://www.syndication.newsint.co.uk/ Sunday Times, July 18, 1999'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fluffled Salvanas boggles at Ol' Dirty Fiendish.
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'And now we're referencing editorials. Sigh.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lol, so you're saying you'll consider it knowledge when the world is destroyed'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'No, I'll consider it knowledge when someone does some RESEARCH that can prove conclusively that the LHC is dangerous. '
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i wonder, you must really have alot of faith in god to put full faith in mankinds self destructive potential'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'see, even atheists have a nirvana to reach towards'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it has been proven that not all theorems can be proven... Besides what do you do if the research comes to the wrong conclusion. Something you will only know post-mortem?'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'rofl'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's what i figure too anaristos'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Nirvana is aspiration of Buddhists, which while not strictly theists do believe in divinity.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Sure. That doesn't mean that I have to give credence to them.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'quantum realities, our mistake here will be recorded in the wormhole we have into the next vortexial scientists life, and this experiment will then be fact, but theory there as the scientist will be seen as a raving lunatic by the next germination of the atom smasher'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'fortunately, reality is not a function of belief.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'I've read that last 'statement' three times over, and it still makes my brain hurt.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, he means that last generation's (n-removed) divinity is today's technology :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Ah. Concise, he ain't. '
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we can look back fondly to humans worshiping fire :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'fire doesn't seem to care what it burns, it's alot like death'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Anyway. I don't agree or disagree with the LHC. If it does go boom, so be it. I don't know enough of the technical details behind it, but if the world's leading scientist deem it safe enough. then as far as I'm concerned, science must go on.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or in this case, science'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/03/31/tech/main6349508.shtml "This is a huge step toward unraveling Genesis Chapter 1, Verse 1 - what happened in the beginning," physicist Michio Kaku told The Associated Press.  "This is a Genesis machine. It'll help to recreate the most glorious event in the history of the universe." '
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'like i said, here's a physicist who's using religion inspired phrases in his possibly cataclysmic disaster unfolding machine'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so, can the universe hold a duplicate of itself in itself, and will the earth be able to contain the universe within its machine?'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'assuming they're correct and not following hypothesis, alot like the measurement problem'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you ought to watch some of the old cable shows where the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi had all these theoretical physicists explain reality. Quite fascinating.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it seems to be about as dangerous of a science experiment as the borg sphere unfolding in star trek'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'things that involve risks as great as this should be limited to computer simulated testing like video games and not integrated into the fabric of the reality that we can't live without'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'imo'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'what risks?'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'the black hole risk allegedly associated with the LHC was debunked a long time ago'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'scientists never even observed a black hole'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they observed what they assume to be a black hole from observing the stars or galaxy's surrounding a point in space suddenly take a u-turn on their telescopes'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'Scientists: Atom-smasher Won't Bring Armageddon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p-_dgHQuyc&feature=fvwrel'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't see how they can definitively say the galaxy was invented 4.8 billion years ago, without taking into account all of the variables such as acceleration that they haven't even discovered what 84% of the ocean is hiding, among other things, their dates are hypothesis, their speed of light is calculated through the light that shines in their eyes and minds and is measured by particles that they believe to give off the illusion of light while it is actually matter in disguise, searching for the fabric that separates planets and gives their gravity theory its weight, to move at the speed of light we only have to master gravity and then we will be there with a thought'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'show me a human who's been alive for 4.8 billion years, and the sudden sinking of the continent of Ur where australia and new zealand are now sitting, could have occurred within 24 hours, carbon dating taking into account variable levels of motion at relative points in time along with radioactivity and momentum, instability in contrast there is no way to draw how reality exists from within reality, unless you are not a part of the creation itself you are observing what is and guessing you are correct without authority, a rock will fall if i drop it unless suddenly the earth becomes space and the rock has no sense of up or down'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so there must have been a force that threw the planets into the nothingness of space and ordered that they swing around one another in a nondestructive fashion unless otherwise designed, according to the laws of physics intelligence is a hallucination'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i read through science articles and there's often assumptions made, but they rely on those assumptions being authoritatively correct until proven otherwise to draw other assumptions, while it's just as feasible to consider that man hasn't mastered reality itself and what is is what works works and while a theory may be real it is always possibly not'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so we theorize that it's ok to build a nuclear facility on a fault line, because we took into account a few of infinite variables and decided we have mastered the force of random'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Massacrer Macbeth: 'when assumed theories building upon assumed theories.. disaster'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you random, cannot randomly unrandomize our categorization of your mastery, you our slave are no longer random, like the belt of asteroids we pas through once per year in november'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'always best to be cautious when learning or doing anything really, but extra cautious and very aware of catastrophic penalties when deality with studies that threaten mortality itself'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'do you really need to know this so much that you're willing to risk humanity itself in order to prove that your theories are correct, and have you not made a new discovery in the last 24 hours that your machine isn't aware of?'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how many infinite possibilities is your machine unprepared for or the scientists'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '. *pragmaticly* there are a few gross flaws with that crap by Necroshine: mostly crap --> "and while a theory may be real it is always possibly not" <-- mostly crap (unlikely possibilities are mostly crap)'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's not something that could potentially destroy only a little country or town or building, it's dealing in arcane science that they know very little about in reality, they can't even confirm that electrons and strangelings are different, or that either exists except in theory like a star swinging around a black hole, lightning travelling through wires and developing sparks'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's a simple and non-aggregative scientific study conducted in a non-deadly fashion by a inquisitive scientist'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't agree very much with alot of the shit goin on, that's just one of many examples'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'you really should quit smoking whatever you are smoking and go back to your normal medication'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'treating peoples existances as your test subjects in social experiments on entire nations of people for instance, sure we need to find some way to co-exist in a non-murderous fashion, but these studies are hardly aiming towards that are they?  mostly i see catastrophic results and constantly deteriorating qualities of life in thees experimentary 'scholary article' nations'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm sure as hell glad i'm not the scholar responsible for putting those 'experiments' into affect, do unto others as you would never have done unto you seems to be the rational behind their eyes'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you should quit speaking up when you see something that is avoided being discussed, it shows you to be some form of gopher'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'discussed? where do you see that? all i see is some crazy wacko paranoid shit said by one person'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'waco and paranoid, you mean like hawkings discussing aliens on CNN?'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'where am i discussing things that aren't relevant to reality and are factually possible'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'concordance of the bible, see what an alien is'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'hawkings from england would fit the description in a american context for instance, factual'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'if some (no-count) wannabe attention-seeker is going to criticise established theories, that wannabe pariah requires to provide credible evidence that the established theories are wrong and not merely mouth off like a inconsequential ne'er-do-well... '
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe he's discussing his self and his colleagues , the alien threat that must be defended against , wild hollywood cartoon aliens and vietnam's chemically mutated children from agent orange'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'sure, you can twist some humanoid body to fit the repulsive depiction of an alien, off to the biochemistry laboratory'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yea yea, and monkey's are the true owners of the nobel prize for developing a natural vaccination for malaria, which article mysteriously disappeared from sciencedaily.com'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '$_$ science seance'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lets do some gorilla ouija'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'speaking of stephen hawkings, nachos are awesome, please discuss'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'likes the natchez trace is in somebody's title here, who is that and what is their relation to you and hawkings, dicuss'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'http://75.102.32.213/search?q=alien&site=refbible&client=refbible&proxystylesheet=refbible&filter=0&num=100&output=xml_no_dtd'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'http://topicalbible.org/a/alien.htm'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'al'-yen: Found in the King James Version for ger, (Exodus 18:3) = "guest," hence: "foreigner," "sojourner" the Revised Version (British and American)'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '..'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lots of aliens calling the shots in america isn't there'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz notices some wannabe red herrings
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'you truly redefine science, you should probably start your own nation, perhaps a race, preferably on a planet far far away'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'show me some biblical crop circles drawn by flying saucers, using alien to describe the angel'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i've been to jupiter before, might be a nice place to live'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'plenty of things to explore'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz mutters something about "irrelevant incoherent crap"
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'anhur would be egypts alien god -- In early Egyptian mythology, Anhur (also spelled Onuris, Onouris, An-Her, Anhuret, Han-Her, Inhert) was originally a foreign god of war, who started being worshipped in the Egyptian area of Abydos, and particularly in Thinis, during the 11th dynasty. '
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'alien  here would be foreign people and their version of divinity i guess'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the bible warns against worshipping false idols and alien gods'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how come there's not one hollywood movie that discusses aliens in their biblical context from concordance?  '
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'could it be that ignorance lets the alien's flying saucers and alien's god's float more easily onto their minds?'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'that was ambiguous crap'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'sure, my flying saucer works great when i ignore gravity'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lol @ ambiguous crap, anything's crap when you're trying to uncover the reasons behind the hidden things'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'flying saucers are a waste of ceramic when they break '
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if there was no reason why they're hidden, then they wouldn't be making a blockbuster movie about aliens twice a year'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"if there was no reason why they're hidden" <-- incoherent crap'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then how come you understand it enough to criticize it?'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i bet you don't even know what coherent means'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm able to invent new words when i want, can you do that?'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"if there was no reason why they're hidden" <-- incoherent crap due to ambiguities and resulting nonsense in attempts to interpret those ambiguities'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'd prefer the term amphibuities, because they fit nicely with the incoherent reptilian theories and sinister nature of the serpent who might have developed the schematics'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so yeah, that's my serpentine offering'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'add it to satans dictionary'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"if there was no reason why they're hidden" <-- badly-stated seeming irrelevance or nonsense or ambiguity that does not relate (even incoherently) to: "then they wouldn't be making a blockbuster movie about aliens twice a year"'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'no, it's an implicative hypothetical thought pattern preceding the reason why that thought pattern is most probably false'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'like a science of reasoning out why some liar is lying, assuming it's true then why is this here piece of the puzzle missing'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'would you call that the science of lies or searching for the truth'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"even if there was a reason why (perhaps fictional) they were hidden", the film industry is likely to produce movies'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so who invented alien in its modern context, while abandoning its usage from the concordance in the bible where the term stems from, in video's and stories released by people who fit the concordant context's definition of alien'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'such as a saudi arabian prince or king who is co-owner of several stocks in several corporations who rule american media'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'interesting obfuscation isn't it'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"if there was no reason why (insert something here)" <-- that is almost a gem of incoherence and nonsense '
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'alien in modern context comes from roswell 47 hypothetical conspiracy theorists and nazi ufo bases in antarctica youtube video's and all that stuff, humanity is united as one after all it's not like it's divided into subsections of land with different owners'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so yeah, naturally alien in its immediate form would refer to our united threat of some waco jesus from outer space'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'see that's depletive reasoning, it's rediculous to believe that there's no reason why they obfuscate the concepts in such a way that isn't planned for a purpose'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'isn't that how a scientist looks at a problem, assuming it's in fact a lie at first and then proving it correct through negation, like the existance of atoms'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'proofs through negation are often flawed'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'not always, otherwise 4.8 billion years wouldn't be so absolute in science, i don't see why my reasoning should be considered any less reasonable than theirs, but i don't force my views into reality and say that's how it is, i merely suggest my opinion'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and all people are capable of lying, so if sometimes i am lying it doesn't make me inhuman'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"if there was no reason why ..." <-- stop right there -- there is usually always a reason "why" even when "why etcetera" is a nonsense or a fiction'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'The UN growing some balls, shocking ! yet isn't it abit hypocryitcal to attack on country for a reason that would be valid for about 5 other countries at this moment, yet you don't even mention them. '
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you really must be making your secret face giggle with your redundant criticism of a logic gate that you pretend you can't comprehend, it really wouldn't surprise me if you were possessed by asmodeus or some other demon who figures they're smart'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'as recorded in human demonology books'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon peers intently at .Faust Necroshine.
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"if there is no reason why ..." <-- nope, stop right there, do not pass go, do not collect $200, go directly to the incoherent nonsense jail (to misuse a Monopoly analogy)'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Why are you accusing people of being possessed?'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I mean, sure, it's Xyliz, but still...'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'well, south african crimes are definitely an eye opener yeah, apparently the un's been around that area for decades, but lots of money is involved and derived from their poor living conditions, maybe unrest there just keeps people distracted that they're slaves or is meant to invoke attention to their deteriorated state of living, compassion for humanity wouldn't be leaving those people in neglect if it was the case that money was being lost through their torment'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but in libya money is lost from their oil wells, so i can see what you're saying'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'Well considering the only war criminals we go after are non european ones (because lets get this straight, they was NO ground to invade Iraq, so any country that particiated was conducting a illegal war and it's leaders are directly responcibly for any deaths amongst their men or casualties their men inflicted) I was wondering when they are going to invade Bahrein aswell seeming theirs oil. '
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'united against what?  politicians who take part in severed childrens limbs in witch doctor ritual's and 250,000 dollar rewards for bringing the ingredients?'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'united nations.. i don't know, it seems to me that things like this here reality would be considered a crime against existance itself, but existance doesn't seem what they're united to protect'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'who will spend the last dollar standing?  will it be the last human standing?  maybe a robot will buy himself a computer from the store'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'mwah united nations, nice idea, but same old corrupt politicians are leading it.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'If they really want to make the world a better place, they could do it. But it would prolly cost them too much money and they'd have to give up too much status.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah, money's such an obstacle, seeing as how it's a human abstraction that controls and governs societies, which they are above'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'people are the ones who actually get things done, cut down half the amazon and print enough credit cards for them to buy the manpower why not'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'i don't think money itself is so much of a problem, the way it is used is. There will also be a need to somehow make a valid currency to enable fair trade. But when people try to abuse the system to gain monoply and power. Well you get the mess of the world we have now. '
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '[20 Mar 07:13:44] (Debate) Necroshine: 'and all people are capable of lying, so if sometimes i am lying it doesn't make me inhuman' <-- wrong Necroshine you liar!  Lying that does deliberate damage to others may be seen by some as "inhuman".'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'to make mistakes and do the previously unthinkable is human'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'ah, so is that how so many politicians fit into reptilian conspiracy theories, they came from the nuts of dagon in the sea'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i plan on not doing this and not doing that, my real motives are hidden from your sight but you know i'm up to no good anyway, vote for me cause i'm just so good of an actor'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz launches Launch into the lake of fire burning with fire and brimstone
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): A Nuclear Launch raises an eyebrow at Xyliz's weird actions.
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the road to hell is also paved with the self-serving liar excuses that "to make mistakes and do the previously unthinkable in human"'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the road to hell is also paved with the self-serving liar excuses that "to make mistakes and do the previously unthinkable is human"'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how did the term 'the road to hell is paved with good intentions' ever get developed anyways?'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'O ? Hell and Heaven is in the eyes of the beholder, as is right or wrong. '
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'aswell is the truth'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm guessing it arrived around the time of nietzsche and his claim that good and evil really don't exist, like some scientists believe there is nothing metaphysical about a human being and it can all be controlled through physics and biochemistry'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'right or wrong is determined in someones mind, no one can tell someone whats right or wrong, it's their own preception. '
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'so your notions about lies and hell xyliz are simply delussions made in your own mind. '
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lets see a example of evil practiced in the world today, through neitzsche's relative perceptions, a unarmed woman peacefully protesting the destruction of a building, standing in front of a tank of some sort, which driver could easily have called for the removal of the woman from his path while slowing down his machine long enough to preserve her existance'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but instead running her over because, she was here seen as committing a great evil in standing in the path of progress'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but you see that she needn't have died, and the real evil was done by the killers'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so, how do you condition someone's mind to understand right and wrong?  i don't want my head cut off, why would i cut off yours, there seems to be some basic grounds to consider this neitzsche conundrum from'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you can lie and say the media plays no part in it, or money'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'those that deliberaely lie by using bad faulty logic are likely unable to derive the precepts of right and wrong'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'deliberately'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'or those who delibarately lie seek to protect those from a otherwise hurtful truth'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'again, your whole statement is based on what you precieve as good or bad'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they have an understanding of right and wrong, and know that lying in particular cases is wrong, they're merely rebelling against those good intentions which seems to be a more accurate analogy than 'the road to hell is paved with good intentions''
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'those that are mentally-deranged and also lie by using bad faulty logic are incompetent and unable to analyse the precepts of right and wrong'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Asariom: 'off'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Asariom: 'sry'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Launch, false assumptions exclude you from the strait and narrow path that leads to logic'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'and only a fool or a holy man would refuse anothers prespective and be blinded his whole life to 1 view'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'there are qurantine situation where the safer course is to exclude contamination from gross perversions'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'Yes and most of the time those situations lead to war and genocide when once clings to his own believes and idea's of justice'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'i'm sure Kaddafi would agree with you in a heart beat.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the prophet samuel scorned the ideology of kings, and also rebuked david for slaughtering a goat because samuel was tardy at one point in the story'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i like that book in the bible, just because there's so much attention paid to kings and their idea's of what is just and unjust and self-righteous governance over everybody elses existance within other parts of that story, along with in this world today'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'like traitors gate over in england, that king even murdered his own wife'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'if the OT bible is where you are getting your logic from, then you are likely depraved'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if it is mutually beneficial and doesn't take away from others what is neccessarily valuable to them, in order to feed yourself excessively, then it could possibly be considered a statute'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'anybody who's not out for enslaving everybody would agree with it'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but some were in history, that type of governance disappeared'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'wrong Necroshine'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz disagrees with everything
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'Xyliz, you are a hypocryte, your notions of good and bad are derived from the general concensus of the human species, and those notions are all taken from the bible. '
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'wrong Launch'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'Ohh right, like don't steal and don't kill people isn't directly taken from the 10 commandmends.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aztar: 'or logic maybe...'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz mused ethics since  a long while
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'Religion was made because people at that time wern't logical Aztar, and by threatening them with supernatural and afterlife punishment trew the form of religion was teh only way.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'it's was easier to convince someone in that time not to beat up the weaker and steal his food because god would punish him then to explain to him it was bad. '
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aztar: 'and just how do you know people where not logical then, but are now?'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the Bible plagarised and copied from other religions and philosophies'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Randor: 'sounds like you know the one who wrote it personally'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'Because aztar, the weak where far less protected compared to now, and even know in this "enlightend" world the strong try to take advantage of the weak'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the greedy corrupt leaders and greedy corrup followers used lies and fraudulent myths to deceive the peons into servitude'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'Randor, a quick observation of relegion will quickly show you that most of the time relegion is adepted to a certain climate and always has a few things in common with other religions, the base rules too form a society that works together for greater benefit, such as don't steal or kill.  '
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'it doesn't take a scholar to see that relegion for the main part has made lawful societies possible due too fact that people from a personaly prespective gained values trew relegion that are helpful in a larger population. '
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'all religions are based upon fraud and deception'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aztar: 'all mud players are fat 40 year old men...'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: '24 years old, have sugar desease , I can't get fat ;) '
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aztar: 'you can't use generalities... even if they apply to most.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'yet if you get punched by 10 different skinheads, the 11th time you see one you'll avoid him, wierd how the world works huh Aztar ?'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'Rumors and stereotypes are often founded on a basis of truth. Don't dismiss them to easly as misconceptions.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aztar: 'that is personal experience and yes you should be carful around skinheads'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'all religions are wrong.  Thus all religions are based on fraud and deception and wrongness.  qed.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aztar: 'and how could you prove that? '
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'it's usually not very easy to prove that a religion is wrong'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'since evidence is sort of a feature of the natural world'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'Well lets take the indian / asian stereotype at being good with computers, and then look where the lead in ICT devolpement is coming from. omg, It's asia / india !'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'some became experts at proving all religions are wrong'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aztar: 'and some have become experts at proving it right... so?'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'Religion is made right or wrong by strength of faith'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'faith is usually delusion'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'Faith is always a delusion, their for it is faith. To keep thinking and believe something that cannot be seen, touched or even truely explained.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aztar: 'so if I believe that faith is a delusion... am I delusioned about being delusioned?'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aztar: 'muhahahah'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Nuclear Launch: 'No them you simply do not have faith. '
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz is an antitheist
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'God is an antitheist'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): A Nuclear Launch is a... I don't know what I call myself.... I believe in evolution, but i'm not dismissing the chance some greater being, not a god by perse had it's hand in shaping the universe
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the libyan community in canada seems satisfied that something's being done over there though, so it's not as though because somebody's from there means they'll be one of these murderers that the media is reporting will exact vengeance on america, france and england'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then they're reporting that he's vowed to go to every home in the capital city there and murder anybody who he consideres against his position'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and reporting that russia is disappointed constantly in a headline on cnn, as though they predict russia's going to start to send in military assistance to libya or something in the like'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I like that BOTH gaddafi AND the rebels dont want foreign intervention, yet NATO/UN has deemed it fit for them to randomly bombard Libya'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the media's reporting that the rebels applauded a tomahawk missile strike or something in the like that destroyed one of his armed battalions that were headed for the rebels'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'yeah well the rebels also captured several SAS soldiers, so. '
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so are the rebels then divided if they applaud the support that you say they didn't want?'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'you sure the Media is 100% accurate in its reporting and absolutely non biased?'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'of course not, but they acknowledge on the cnn report that the voice being played came wit no video, and can't be 100% sure that it is gandaffi speaking'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so at least that degree of consideration is given in the reporting'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'also China regrets the military action that is ongoing.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah, and china'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'Ezekiel 14:9 , the devil is portrayed as the deceiver typically, no?  :: And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Is-ra-el.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'interesting, and people wonder where I get my Satan is god's schizophrenic counterpart who he pretends not to be in order to make war with himself theories'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or is Lord here referring to some dictator king'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'this is why i don't follow any religious texts as the ultimate authority on what is the God, and does god exist or not, but only consider them and develop my own understanding of reality and spirituality'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's probably a verse and point, alot like whether or not abraham was tempted by god or the devil in vision to murder his son, whether there i a non-distinguishment between when the devil is being worshipped and referenced and when God is being referred to; that you won't find questioned anywhere else but right here, except perhaps in some arcane bible studies'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'imo, the devil tempted abraham, and god showed him otherwise - like here the prophet would be a false prophet and not even a prophet if he is being deceived in his visions, and why would god deceive a prophet of his?'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it' very questionable to me'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the OT is a book of mosly fiction - unless a religious dupe, not an eddifying fiction'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the deceiver is the devil in the bible story, work of fiction or not, if the characters in the story suddenly wear one another's name's and do contrary to their profile, then the story quickly becomes like a walk through the halls of the legions of hell possessing human body's and through their names speaking their individual demonic personalities'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so here's a story that alot of people believe is related to reality in some fashion, but these types of 'simple mistakes' in such a large body of text that people put so much faith in the preachers and words of, seems absurd, there should be some disambiguation if in fact that is the way things transpired, because otherwise confusion remains, as i have pointed out'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine, there are several religious-crackpot rooms on undernet irc -- most are intolerant to differing views, but there was at least one that tolerated freespeech -- go there and preach '
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Is Necro still talking to himself on this channel?...'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I guess so. :) (I have him on ignore)'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what a fat head'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i wish all the imbeciles would put me ion ignore so i don't have to listen to them listening to me'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonbuy: 'I disagree'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Of course you do. :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Starling and Fiendish are wrong in comprehension of english superlatives'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hmn, but they look like such a cute couple'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'xyliz is wrong in comprehension of the english word "maximum"'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: ':)'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'I believe you are both wrong in the capitalization of the word English.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'your face is wrong in the capitalization of your face'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Pleiades blames the liberal media
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'If anything begins a debate, it would be politics. :P'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'there is an established term "minimax".  But some esl pendantics are likely to argue ignoramusly that "minimax" is not a "max" since there is a values larger than a "minimax" and thus "minimax" is a nonsense term -- but those pedantic ignoramuses are wrong'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'english is a flexible evolving language. able to express concepts more than most'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ablative construct'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz doubts whether VampireDude knows what 'ablative' means
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): VampireDude wonders if thats a 'come on'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'VampireDude, explain what 'ablative' means - and the relevance of using that obfuscation'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'xyliz dont feel like it, busy trying to find a quest mob that i cant hunt to'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Xyliz should probably spend more time considering why 'minimax' is not the same word as 'max', and why game theorists don't just use 'max' instead.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'it's sunday'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'two days after friday'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'pleiades ah, lets go to church'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Xyliz should also try being right once before getting snotty.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'I already went... twice!'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the day after yesterday'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'pleia can i come to?'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'sinners welcome!'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a minimax is the minimum of the maximums within a specific range '
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'note the concept of several maximums that are different to each other.  a maximax is the maximum of the maximums'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Speak less and think about why "maximum" is not the word of choice for game theorists and statisticians. In silence, plz.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'signed or unsigned int'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'an overmax is a value above a previously established maximum'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maskull: 'Calling something "minimaxed" may be reasonably accurate, though it would obviously be confusing to most people. It's clearly not the same as just "max" with no qualifier.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'like when someone outruns a record run time?'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'or when i get the big wallet from gora mountain?'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'are triforce tattoos cool?'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'where several overmax values are possible, there is the concept of maxiovermax or maximax or absolutemax (within the range parameters)   '
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maskull: 'Even in that context, I don't think overmax really makes sense. I don't know if that's an actual term used in game theory, but overminimax seems like it would make more sense there.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Maskull, the problem you're going to find eventually is that Xyliz, like Lemon before him, doesn't actually think about the words he uses before using them.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Most games don't have Aard's ridiculous amount of randomness.  The randomness of enchanting and raid bonuses and whatnot IMHO are one of Aard's biggest weaknesses that is in need of repair.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the term "overminimax" is not pragmatically applicable to aard enchantments '
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maskull: '...yet "minimax" is?'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'See?'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'what is your verbal iq fiendish, likely not as high as that of Xyliz'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maskull: 'My understanding of the analogy is something along these lines: normally, minimax means the maximum achievable outcome given that your opponent also chooses optimally. In this case, the opponent must be the RNG, so it means the max achievable w/o any special "lucky" bonuses.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maskull: 'BTW, I'm not interested in the ad hominem attacks. I'm really trying to have a civil discussion here to seek out truth. Perhaps not the real intention of this channel though...'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'somebody was already ad homineming, so the gate was already open'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maskull: 'Were you making a different analogy Xyliz?'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maskull: 'Sure, anyway...'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'was using minimax in a more general sense -- *But* if applied to aard equipment, minimax is the normal maxed without the extra special bonuses'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maskull: 'Ah, yeah, I was assuming this was a continuation of the discussion from barter.'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"minimax" is used in areas other than statististics and game theory'
T3/r3/2011-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maskull: 'Ok, so I think we're on the same page there.'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'aside from santa being rearranged to satan, there's also the san tribe where some evolutionists figure all humans stem from (nas backwards to the rapper) and ta is a arabic letter, kana in japanese whatever that is, a vietnamese surname, thank you in britain and australia, also an administrative division of Khun Tan District, Thailand'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how do you figure the words are meant to really line up, or the word'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'jack frost or saint nick was a title given to the devil at some point in time as well'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'clause pronounced claws'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'also  (grammar) an expression including a subject and predicate but not constituting a complete sentence '
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if it's referring/masterminded by persian's then the arabic alphabet and south african tribe would be likely the answer, but who can say'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '13,000 bce getting optimistic there'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'Historians are not really sure how the character "Uncle Sam" was created or how he was named. '
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'satanists have this thing about reciting the lords prayer backwards, christ mas, here we have christ sam maybe?'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'UN, united nations, what would cle abbreviate to'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'sam abbreviation, or just a black mass'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'conspiracy theorists love this stuff, lets think like them'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'united nations command line effort swiss army machine'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'hmmm'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there ought to be a reason it's uncle and not pappa or brother doesn't there?'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i suspect a cryptic acronym as its basic meaning'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'uninformed network could live effectively servant army march'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'The single and most famous portrait of Uncle Sam is the "I WANT YOU" poster, which was painted by James Montgomery Flagg in 1916-1917. These posters were painted to make more people join the U.S. Army. '
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'Blackwater (Xe) Among CIA Dead in Afghanistan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FARzeDTTFww  So , they claimed these blackwater employees has nothing to do with secret CIA operations, and here are two dead and one injured blackwater employee among the CIA with the Jordan man who claimed to have info on the taliban's #2, blackwater being paid by the taxpayer and even senate is left in the dark about things like this -> blackwater was invented by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_Prince and allegedly without his governments support sent people to germany to murder citizens'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what do you figure about this guy?  apparently he trains people in his US home on how to commit international human rights violations'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2010/10/201010117237790858.html http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2010/12/2010121710658402557.html http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2010/10/2010102312505883926.html'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'He was an intern in the White House under President George H. W. Bush[13] and subsequently criticized that administration's policies to the Grand Rapids Press, saying: "I saw a lot of things I didn't agree withhomosexual groups being invited in, the budget agreement, the Clean Air Act, those kinds of bills."'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'he got connex or something like that i guess?  maybe friends with the russian mafia'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'interesting isn't it?  what does the tax payer pay him for (changed ownership to a bunch of anonymous stockholders in 2010, along with its name)'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the cia seems to get paid to not inform the government that they're among them'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'scaring the shit out of would-be terrorist supporters.  They blow up a plane, we bomb an airport.  They blow up a building, we destroy 10 city blocks.'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'ah, so fighting terrorism with terrorism'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'yes, we've been doing so since before the US was a country.'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what's a disintegrated baby who happens to live 100 miles away form the nearest terrorist activity not have to do with terrorism after all'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'doesn't sound very fair to me, i can point the finger at anybody and say terrorist supporter wannabe and then i got a target if i work for them ey?'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i still wonder if that blown up iranian civilian aircraft was an accident or not'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'do unto others as you would have others do unto you'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the government doesn't do accidents.  If they get something wrong, it's because they got bad intel and not because some rookie military-type didn't have the balls to tell his CO to piss off.'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'that cant possibly be true'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'all the time'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'theyre trained not to question '
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'well, no.  Technical difficulties can also screw up the lines of communication, once things have been verified and such.'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the point is that government doesn't have oopsies solely because someone in charge had a vendetta against someone else, no matter how popular it is to allege so in the public arena.  John Q. Public doesn't know shit about the world around him.'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'cuz they hide the facts'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'we live in an illusion'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't see why the government doesn't operate openly even within itself, shouldn't not being a traitor be a part of being a part of the government?  you recruit the people who you hide the information from to go to die in wars for you without questioning their orders, why can't they have clean perspective of what their exact purpose is along with what ever facet of their governments purpose is?  who's going to hide a crooked bosses actions when all of the fractions are verifiably not responsible for the decision he made?'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there'd be plenty of citizens keeping an eye on things'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they keep secrets because its people keep secrets.'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you might even argue that if the taliban is aware of blackwater murdering citizens in terrorist activity, they would compromise the actual integrity of any informant who would lead them to the taliban leaders, given light of their actions in the minds of all the 'wanna-be terrorists''
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'oh , looky here what we have here, a couple terrorists who aren't labelled such, what shall we do?'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'somebody goes out and shoots your mother in your face, are you gonna tell them where your brother is hiding?'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'are you gonna forget pretty soon?'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the ideal hope is that you don't cooperate and we find him anyways.'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's what i think happened, they're aware the CIA has these corporate hitmen among them who murdered innumerable men women and children with no connection to terrorism, and then the cia agents died as a result'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we can then hammer home the notion that you picked the wrong choice, even if the expectation is that we'd have killed him anyways.  Now you're faced with having to endure your brother being tortured.'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'your sense of righte is very wrong, don't forget who armed the taliban'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'don't bite the hand that feeds you, then, if you don't want to get kicked.'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you call kickin people unrelated to who you armed against the soviets to be justly kicked?'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'every afghani is bin laden through your perspective'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'every afghani is related to those who wish to harbor him.  If we want to get to him, we either have to already know where he is and attack or we have to first figure out where.  It's like peeling an onion.  The outermost layers are much easier to deal with than the inner ones, but in the end each of them has a vulnerability that lets them be dealt with.'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm sure the majority of them are reacting in like manor as to how americans reacted once their wtc got destroyed, only here on a decade long progression, your own actions often might be the fuel that recruits one of those mother puncher witnesses into the ranks of the talibn'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Wow Dokkar... just wow.'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'd say if you quit committing terrorism yourselves, like this blackwater human rights violator from the united states tax payer is paid to do, then sooner or later trust will be regained'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's not as though they're as fully equipped with weapons of mass destruction as america in order to have a snub nosed politician rally them to eternal warfare as america is, alot of it might come down to seeing their mother being kicked'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'all the better, Necro.  The point to terrorism is attrition, more terrorism causes more fanatics which causes more killings.  The winner is simply who is willing to be the bigger asshole.'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'ah, so you plan on being the bigger asshole and setting an example for russia to do or die to, and china'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I think this is an entirely appropriate quote at this point:'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'He who fights monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's a measured game, to be sure, as neither side wishes to take things too far and so unbalance the game against them.'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'why don't you focus on trying to set an example that doesn't result in retaliatory impulses and mass-destructive reactions for once'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'If your response to atrocities is to commit atrocities yourself, you're doing it wrong.  Step back and calm down.'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, anarchy is fun'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and, really, if we're not destroying the surrounding land to any significant degree, what's the harm?'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'people are the most valuable natural resource on earth, if you disagree then why not look in front of the mirror and remove your feeble element from its sight'
T3/r3/2011-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the response to the loss of this resource does not seem to match the value put upon it.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'I'm calling BS on the 'hydrogen' explosions at the nuclear reactors at Fukushima. To thermally crack water into hydrogen an oxygen requires a temperarture of about 2000 degrees C, which is way beyond meltdown temperatures, and easily enough to combust the gases back into water unless the hydrogen and oxygen are somehow separated on production. The way I see it,the only thing in the reactor that could have caused such large explosions would be steam explosions in the core containment vessels. Or does anyone have any other ideas?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'catalyst and vapor pressure?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'it was an inside job perpetrated by the jews'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'WAKE UP SHEEPLE'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'fiendish, by jews, do you mean.... ethnic jews, or religious jews?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Yes.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'only the biumvirate jew has both the conviction and connections to pull it off'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'i've been informed that the proper word is duumvirate and not biumvirate'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i think biumvirate is more suited'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I agree, but I don't get to invent latin.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'fiendish, do you think that israel will continue to bombard the settlements that the news said they hit last night?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'fuck i'm sick of all the lies'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'the assholes think we're all daft'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I think that enough countries point to Israel as the only democracy in that area that the recent charges of ethnic cleansing in the settlement areas will not be a problem for them.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'egypt is a democracy , so is tunisa?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: '(now)'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'egypt is only as of last week able to call itself a democracy'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'fiendish besides, you can't really call it ethnic cleansing if they didn't do a cleanup, and just left the bodies to rot'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'and they haven't had their first proper election yet'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'to call Mubarak a democratically elected president is a very ignorant stance'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'nobody gives a shit about the lies at the reactors?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'well, i called al gore a democratically elected president'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The reactors are fine'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'al gore didn't win the popular vote by more than the margin of error. deal with it and move on.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling, you're fine'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'the reactors are fine, dynamo.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'fiendish, margin, of error?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'margins don't get to vote, only people do'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'democracy +1'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If they weren't, there'd be an uproar to make the present bitching look like nothing in comparison.  It's impossible to hide a large-scale radiation release; it cannot be done.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'the margin of error on ballot counting in the 2000 presidential election was actually larger than the difference in the popular votes'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'fiendish, so you're saying, that it was a democratic election, where not all votes count?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'so saying that Al Gore 'won' is a meaningless claim not supported by facts. According to the numbers, they tied, and then the supreme court decided poorly.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i didnt say he won. i called him a democratically elected president'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'except that he wasn't any more elected than bush was in that election'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'people voted for him, and he amassed a total vote that was sufficient to win'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'fiendish, oddly enough, bush also was a democratically elected president.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'what a marvelous world we live in'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'maybe next time our president will be from china'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'in the 2000 presidential election, the difference in counted votes between Al Gore and George W Bush was a smaller number than the accuracy of the counting mechanism allowed for distinguishing between. That means the result was a tie.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'broken by the supreme court'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so... they need to hand count the ballots'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'you can't see feel taste or smell radioactivity.. and that's why radioactivity is so insidious...they're in panic control mode.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'hand counting may or may not have been a good solution. we'll never know'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dynamo, technically... you can smell radioactivity if it reaches the right tissue /nerve '
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'it is certain that hand counting 100 million ballots would take a lot of time and money'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'fiendish, its strange how elections cost so much, why don't we just make presidents presidents for life'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'EVERY nuclear power plant has radiation sensors coming out the ass.  How do you think the west found out about Chernobyl?  Did the Russians tell us?  No!  The radiation set off alarms at nuke plants in Sweden.  You absolutely CANNOT hide a radiation release of any significant magnitude.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'to avoid becoming Egypt'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling, what plant in sweden?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Look it up, it's not my job to educate you.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'So if it wasn't hydrogen exploding what was it?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'fiendish, we already have had had familial presidency runs. look at the bushes'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'look at fillmore'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'millard fillmore?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling ok, but given the change in the world map since chernobyl's first breakdown'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'fiendish yes? his father was a politician too.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'much like bush and bush they both inherited their role in politics'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I fail to see how the whig party is relevant today'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The point is that if the nuke plants in Japan had suffered core breaches, we'd know about it.  Sensors would be going off everywhere in the path of the radiation plume.  The fact that they aren't means that core containment is intact.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'fiendish so... is the tea party or the whig party more relevant?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Change in the world map?  Sweden is still there!'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling 'the fact that they aren't  ' going off? or arent telling us?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'the tea party has actual currently elected officials and the largest television network in the united states behind it'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling ukraine and soviet union mappings changed a bit?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It would be impossible to conceal.  SOMEBODY would say something.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling, in a lot of countries, nuclear plants are secured by the government...'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It doesn't matter, Vampiredude.  The radiation was detected in Sweden, so the map changes are irrelevant.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'along with the editorial panel of what used to be the most important newspaper in the US'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'if a government security guy with a gun says, not a word about this to anyone'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'I was monitoring the gieger counters in japan over the net but they closed all the sites last thursday and they're still off!!!'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'people tend to be quiet'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Not in such cases, Vampiredude.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Be more ignorant, please.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling, so you think a guy whose job is at a nuclear plant, would disobey the government, tell the world, and that the story would be published'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'some sort of whiatleblower law?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's because of anti-nukular people like you that the industry is so hamstrung.  If you'd educate yourself about how a nuclear powerplant works, and how radiation works and is detected, you might know a damn thing, but until then you're just spouting shit.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling uh... i'm not anti nuclear plant as long as they give me a discount on iodine tablets for life'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'maybe your hatred is misdirected at me again lol'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Well, I do tend to hate ignorant morons, so, perhaps.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling i thought you just hated men '
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No way, I just got done banging one.  I think men are great. :P'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling, how long did he endure?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I don't kiss and tell :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'fuck you i do understand! i was talking to a friend about the christchurch quakeweeks before this happened and i commented that Japan was a disaster waiting to happen AND I'M NOT PSYCHIC'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Point is, if any significant radiation had been released, governments would be in an uproar, and there would be no way to conceal it.  For fuck's sake, the Russians were involved in the super-secret atomic bomb program (OURS) from the get-go.  We couldn't conceal anything as serious as a nuclear reactor breach.  It can't be done.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dynamo, 1, you may actually be psychic, and 2, i talked to a guy in christchurch that was going to japan just after a small quake hit cc a few monthsago'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and i havent heard from him , but know he got hit by 1 of the two now'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'SO WHY DON'T THEY TURN THE GEIGER COUNTER SITES BACK ON?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling agreed, the government would be aware, if such an occurence occured'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'oops sorry i meant to take caps lock off'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling but i disagree that the government would create a public panic by blabbing to fox news'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dynamo, just get a photomultiplier instead... less battery power than a geiger counter'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The government wouldn't have to blab.  Somebody else would do it for them.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling really? who? wikileaks?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Sigh Vampure, stop talking shit.  Do you even know what a photomultiplier is, or what it does?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling it multiplies light, such as given off from an alpha particle reacting with a fluor'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'to a visibly measureable level'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'register/measure whatever'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): VampireDude hugs Starling.
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Do you even know what an alpha particle is?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Vampire: so, basically, you get Fluorine, a caustic gas, put it in glass, and let it emit light?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I've got some caustic gas for you right here...'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I think he means 'phosphor''
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'these were the gieger counter sites in japan...they wear working perfectly well up untill thursday now they're offline and all we have is their word that things are as they say'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon, doesnt have to be a caustic gas, in glass yes, but silver to reflect the light and alter it to be visible'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Phosphor, maybe. But at that point, we might as well just use gold foil and blind some grad students.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'similar to a resonance chamber but for light instead of microwave?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling, want me to give you a wiki pedia link?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, you fail.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ok, starling can't use wikipedia by herself'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'poor thing'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'any suggestions about why they turned them off when everything is just 'fine'?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dynamo, too much traffic?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I think Vampiredude is thinking about Zinc Sulfide.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon, i think i'm thinking of a mercury fluor encased in a silver lined tube.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'A photomultiplier set up to detect alpha particles by scintillation or other stimulated emission of light would suffer unacceptable background photon contamination.  The detector would have to be open to the air, because alpha particles can't penetrate even paper.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'there were only 5500 people watching...everyone else was listening to the lies about hydrogen explosions on TV'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'What is 'mercury fluor'?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling, unacceptable for what use... industrial... or... home paranoid use'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Unacceptable for ANY use.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Any practical use.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dynamo, i dont have cable'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon, oiled construction paper can show an alpha track.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Photomultipliers are capable of multiplying the signal of a single photon by many, many orders of magnitude.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'i was recording at ten minute intervals and the number were rising'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Most likely, the 'hydrogen explosions' were just that - hydrogen explosions.  Zirconium can split water molecules at high temperatures, such as those encountered in a malfunctioning nuclear core.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'and all of a sudden they shut down altogether'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Nobody disputes the fact that the reactors are malfunctioning.  They are.  But the core containments are intact.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling which kind of resin are they using there?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Yes, they were hydrogen-oxygen explosions.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling a news article remarked that cesium isotopes had been found in the nearby air... btw'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'is that explained yet?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Resin?  What does resin have to do with any of this?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Vampire: I doubt that, with all the water around.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling if the plant's cooling system is malfunctionining, it has some importance'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Cesium reacts energetically with water.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'you need something to separate the hydrogen and oygen or else they combust straight away'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon, i dont know how accurate the news is.. but thats the way the article went'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and yes, cesium is a lot of fun X.X'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'VampireDude, the nuclear reactors, by now, have stopped producing neutrons.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon, right...'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Wait, scratch that. They have stopped producing it any greater than the background radiation for the area.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but this article was last week.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'want me to go find it on the bbc site and link?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'and don't build up to a concentration where they can demolish a large strongly built structure'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Heh, how accurate is the news?  Going to go with "not very."'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling who to believe, random internet chatter... or british broadcasting news company'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): VampireDude sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I would give BBC a bit more accuracy and less 'ZOMG WERE GONNA DIE' than CNN/MSNBC/FOX'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Personally, I believe random internet chatter from nuclear engineers.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'believe your own common sense for goodness sake'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon apocalypses are good for the economy... people rush out and stockpile groceries and ammo'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Over talking heads.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon pats VampireDude on his head.
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon... seems reasonable... the only nuclear engineers i know don't do design work though'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Need to find some more, then.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'maybe i will put them on my amazon.com wish list'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Let me put it this way. If you have eaten a banana a day since the Fukushima plant went offline, you have taken more extra free radicals than anyone downwind has.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so where we are is, dynamo needs a non japanese geiger counter site ... and... starling doesnt like nuclear plants...?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon... i never really understood the big deal about free radicals'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'That's the result of ionizing radiation.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'if i am getting enough sunlight and vitamins b10 and b12... it shouldnt be a big deal really? but health nuts keep psychobabbling free radical at me'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Wtf?  What kind of drugs are you on?  I love nuclear power.  I think it's THE solution to our energy shortage woes.  Pro-nuke, 100%.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'That's what causes cellular damage.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling i definately like how the nukes kept the russians back... not wanting to go into a nuclear sub personally though'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Let's leave nuclear weapons out of this.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon, but doesn't regular oxidization of iron cause cell damage too?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling, the submarines, have nuclear reactors'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If you have to resort to mentioning nuclear weapons to trash nuclear power, you have lost the argument.  The two are nothing at all alike.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Not really, considering that's kind of how respiration works, Vampdude.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'We oxidize the iron in our blood to produce energy.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yes, subs have nuclear reactors.  Some have even been lost at sea.  We're still here, guess it wasn't so bad.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon well, mallate and hemoglobin are nice... but what about oxidization of iron in skin tissue?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'What about it?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Morinon, we oxidize glucose to produce energy.  The iron (hemoglobin) serves only as an oxygen transport mechanism.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling bp oil didnt hurt fish any more than the nuclear problem?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'You mean epidermis? You know... dead skin?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Wtf does BP and oil have to do with any of this?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: '... dead... skin omg omg get it off.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon, no... hang on let me respond to star'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'star... both are ecological disasters affecting fish and water sources'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'VampireDude: I fully recommend stripping your epidermis. And then rolling around on a beach.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon... sounds kinky'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon, but, what is the exact difficulty posed by a free radical to a human tissue?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'This is irrelevant babble.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling, welcome to the internet.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Ionizing radiation is what causes the sorts of damage that can lead to cancer. I think you need about 100mSv in a concentrated dose to have a measurable cancer risk.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'bullshit Starling given enough nuclear power plant proliferation it's only a matter of time before some terrorist buys enough crap on the balck market to build their own bomb....and guess what the most likely targets would be? New York or Washington'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Dynamo, that assumes the reactors are built to produce weapons grade plutonium.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Most are not.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dynamo, agreed, new york and washington are hotbeds of people that liberals dislike... and since all terrorists have liberal sympathies, they would target the east coast'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'They can already buy crap on the balck [sic] market to build their own bomb.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Yeah, I know, all those non-liberal members of the democrat party.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon, would you agree that the grade of the plutonium is less important if the goal were to release radiation and not to cause a massive detonation?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'VampireDude: if you just want to make a dirty bomb, get some pitchblende.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon nah, i dont want to make such things, ^_^'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Hell, could probably build a dirty bomb out of used smoke detectors.  They do contain americium-241.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but it concerns me that nuclear waste could be easily dumped in a water supply and it would cause more mayhem and panic than some moron crashing a plane in new york'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'and it doesn't even need to be a bomb...the contamination is deadly enough'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling, 234 in my smoke detector, not 241'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Wrong, Vampiredude.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'VampireDude: Then you should be appalled at Obama's shutting down of Yucca.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling, it has a label'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I suggest you read it.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling i did.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Read it again.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon, i would be, if i had heard about it'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling no, if i read it again, i will miss the important things you might type'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I only just heard about it last week. I was pissed.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'For one thing, there is no isotope of americium with mass 234, at least not that is stable for any meaningful length of time.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon there are so many chemicals, industrial, nuclear, and even farm supply, that would cause massive panic if they were in the water supply'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling did i say 234?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yeppers.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ah i did, sorry, bad typing.. but let's listen to morinon'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'our town used to have signs reading 'nuclear free zone'...since smoke detectors came out they've taken them all down'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Well, yes, VampireDude, starting with fecal matter.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dynamo, what about radon?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon, yep, cholera'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'cholera in haiti from un peacekeeper feces'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dynamo i mean the detectors'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'So, using it as an argument about 'zomg no moar powar plants' is BS.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Radon arises from natural sources.  There is quite a bit of uranium even in ordinary soil and sandstone, and radon is part of its decay series.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'and i've never talked to anyone who realised there was nuclear waste in those things ...its written small on the back of the pack'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling and radon's radioactive daughters, are they as scary as the epa says?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Sure they are, if concentrated.  But in most cases, they aren't.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dynamo oh, i knew it was on there, because this one time there was a sign at the post office saying i couldnt mail things with hazardous materials, and it included smoke detectors and cell phone batteries'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling, so... there's no real risk of cancer by being exposed to tiny daughters of radon?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling will radon or the dusty daughters that it radioactively innundates be hurtful to plant life ?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Sure there is, if you get enough of them.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ok, but how much is enough'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Wtf does plant life have to do with any of this?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'well done Vampiredude you're the first one i've come across'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling... uh... i have plants that i care about'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'unlike you, they are nice to me, and they listen'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and they like to be hugged'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Unless those plants happen to be marijuana, fuck 'em.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling nah, cactus mostly'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Peyote?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling nah, nolina and agave '
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Well, you on somethin', boy.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'i had to take my mother's smoke detector off the roof and show her before she'd believe me'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling although, the agave can have scions of peyote easily according to erowid'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling do you know much about the processing of sapogenin steroids from agaves into consumable forms?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Wtf does the processing of agaves have to do with any of this?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling... it shows that the agave are just as worthwhile to keep as your pot'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'they are a good source of materials, oxalic acid, calcium carbonate, sapogenin steroids, and the sort of mash used in some parts of the world to make mescal'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'they clean the air, they use c3 and c4 metabolic processes'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and they also remove septic matter from soil as evidenced by a graduate study in mexico'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): VampireDude peers intently at Starling.
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'your pot plant can't do nearly as much!'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): VampireDude hugs his cactus.
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'where were our anti-nuclear activists when the smoke detectors were made law? None of them said a peep'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'and they still havn't to this day'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dynamo... do radon detectors also cause concern?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Americium-241 isn't that dangerous.  Fairly long half-life, alpha emitter.  Only really harmful if you eat the stuff, or try a stunt a la the radioactive boyscout.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'you know some 'practical jpker' could take the pellet and glue it to a bus stop seat'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dynamo, you ever had the temptation to take those security strips from clothing, and sew them into the lining of somebody's coat as a practical joke?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Would be more or less harmless, because as I said, alpha emitter.  Alpha particles are unable to penetrate skin, and are only really harmful if ingested.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling they can penetrate the tissue of the eye can't they?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'they could grind up a handfull of pellets and throw it over the vegies at the supermarket...no one would realise!'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'So don't put the shit in your eye?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling or... wear goggles'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Hell, bleach is dangerous to your eyes.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yep, thats why lab class has goggle requirement'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling, alcohol is dangerous to your eye... '
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'even other peoples eyes are'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'alpha particles are very dangerous when they contact living tissue'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yes, as I said, they're dangerous when ingested.  So don't eat your smoke detector's radioactive source, mmmmkay?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dynamo, do you think we'd have all of these ecological disasters, earthquakes, and weather changes, if they hadn't been using the halldron collider?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'they also emit gamma rays that are very penetrating'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling if a smoke detector with a radioactive material in it, burns , the smoke can contain radioactive dust?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Oh Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick.  Leave the LHC out of this :P'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling ok, its fair for fiendish to blame jewish people... but its not fair to blame the lhc?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'yes'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'k.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Americium has a very low gamma ray cross section.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'The Doctor the Depleted Uranium and the Dying Children 1/6 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyHKeNLrrhg'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling... should i be afraid of breaking radiation too?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Only if you're operating an electron accelerator in your basement.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'these days you need a gieger conter to make sure a 'joker' hasn't contaminated the food down the supermarket!!!'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hmn. what if i live near a hospital with lots of xrays and mri equipment'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Wtf does bremsstrahlung have to do with nuclear safety, anyway?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dynamo, what will i need to find out how much cadmium is in my cookware'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'it has a lot to do with safety, since it is hazardous to ones health?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yeah, if you're sitting right next to the target of an electron beam, and/or a strong beta emitter.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling and between your channel policing and your german speaking, you ever get mistaken for a fascist?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'I'm not talking about cadmium...i'm talking about readily available nuclear waste'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I get called a cunt a lot, does that count?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hmn, no, i think that can also be a term of affection for people that like fish odor'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dynamo, ok... so expended fuel grade uranium or strontium?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i wonder how much that stuff sells for ...'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'would go a long way towards college loans i bet chya'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'Americium...an alpha and gamma emmitter'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dynamo its a gamma emitter now?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'and it's daughter isotopes'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'sure is'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'weird, i could've sworn that i looked it up before and it was supposed to not be'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but oh well'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'check again'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Most radionuclides emit gamma rays to some degree.  Some emit more than others.  You can be sure that any radionuclides in consumer products will be selected for a low gamma emission profile'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling, if my neigbhor has a cell phone that has a particularly high specific adsorption energy rating'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'how can i gauge how much of that energy reaches me on a regular basis?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Also, ordinary soil and rock emits gamma rays due to its uranium content.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hmn, my rocks don't have uranium content'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'In most cases, you would need very sensitive equipment to measure that dose.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Sure they do.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling i see, not worth worrying over then'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling no, they're silicon based'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'They are, but soil and most rock does, in fact, contain trace uranium and thorium.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ok, soil might..'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but the rocks i have don't'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'What rocks do you have?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i've got some chalcite, some fluorite, some amethyst, some aventurine, some onyx, some feldspar, some bensonite, and some iron pyrite'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and some quartz'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but i think of it as a crystal more than a rock'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm referring to rocks in the actual environment, e.g. sandstone.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling ah, those rocks are outdoor toys. they are not indoor pet rocks, and are not worthy of domestication'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Your feldspar probably contains a fair bit of uranium.  Igneous rocks usually do.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but this feldspar sure is cool looking.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hmn, i dont think it does'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'how can i check for sure'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'How Are Nuclear Power and Nuclear Weapons Related? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts0TjJS178o'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine yes they are.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'They aren't, except that both happen to employ fission.  Beyond that, the two are very, very different.  One is tightly controlled, the other depends on runaway, uncontrolled fission.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'uranium hexafluoride for the win.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'one small reactor can be used to supply the materials to make 50 weapons per year'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling i can't agree that nuclear weapons rely on uncontrolled fission'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'it requires a hefty amount of engineering and control just to reach the reaction levels needed?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so 'control' is essential'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yes, but the fission reaction itself is uncontrolled, unrestricted.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and the nuclear power industry was delighted when the military showed interest in its expensive to contain leftovers, being twice as heavy as lead and explosive'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'it is restricted by the design and material limitations'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'the ones that don't are even worse...nuclear weapons carry the radioactivity into the stratosphere...dirty bombs leave it on the ground'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine to be fair, lead is explosive too in the right mix'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Lead is not explosive :P'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling it is in the right mix'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No it isn't. :P'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yes. it is.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'yes it is, you can mix it with 3/4 c4 and 1/4 lead, i guarantee it explodes'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling, why does the us department of homeland security list it under explosives and precursors then?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It might be dispersible via explosion (what isn't?) but lead itself isn't explosive.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'redryn, or mix it with picric acid from a hardware store'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Picric acid?  Who the hell has ready access to that?  Not me.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling, lowes?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'menards?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling its in the section with the varnishes, turpentine, and linseed oil'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): VampireDude peers intently at Starling.
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so i dunno why you say its not readily accessed'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Really, what products contain picric acid?  Do tell, I would love to know.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling, let's see.... how about the one labelled picric acid'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Just googled 'otc picric acid', zero relevant hits.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): VampireDude pats Starling on her head.
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ok, whatever.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i'm not going to make you go to a hardware store, just to prove a point'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but your argument of ' oh thats not available' isnt very valid'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'There was an incident just last month involving a bottle of picric acid in the Ohio University biology building.  They had to call the bomb squad in to deal with it.  Doubt if they're going to sell it over the counter.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'okay.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling, but you agree, that lead + picric acid = explosive'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I think picric acid on its own is plenty explosive.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'its volatile, sure'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but oxygen is explosive in that sense'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Oh for fuck's sake.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'are you going to call a bomb squad everytime somebody is dealing with oxygen?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling, by the way, is that ohio u in athens or the other ohio college?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'ohio university is in athens'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'k'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'That'd be the one in Athens.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Fair warning, if you show up at my door you will be shot.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling no worries, my ex roomate was from some town near athens , mill something'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and he went to one of the universities in athens... i just always confuse them since athens is so small'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i was thinking cincinatti or canton or something would have the big school'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but apparently i was wrong'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'anyway my original point was that hydrogen and oxygen are not going to stay apart long enough at the nuclear plant to cause the explosion...it's total bullshit...the heat necessary to crack water is ample to ignite before any can accumulate...simple as that'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Probably Millfield.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dynamo if the heat isnt going anywhere, a slow rate of heating still will heat it warm enough'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling it could be.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anyways, you and he would get a long well'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'you need 2000 degrees to crack water'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Actually, hydrogen and oxygen won't react at all if stored together, unless a spark is struck.  In the absence of a spark or other heat source, the two are stable even if mixed.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling i bet they would if they were stored under enough pressure'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'False, Dynamo.  I can split water molecules right here in my bedroom.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling so can i, using a pc's 12 volt power supply'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'easy by electrolysis but not heat'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'All I need is to get out my DC power supply, rig up a couple carbon electrodes (metal electrodes corrode too easily), and crank up the voltage a bit.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling i find the aluminum tabs from coke cans don't corrode quickly at all'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'beats digging for electrodes.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I wouldn't use my PC's supply.  I built mine out of junk parts.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'and they told us it was caused by heat'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling, i don't have many junk parts'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Mine consists of a 24vac transformer, a bridge rectifier, and a filter capacitor, plus some wires.  Not much to it.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling, neat'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Point being, splitting water is easy.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i wish i had one that could run off of 5.1 v usb'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You'd fry your USB controller'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and then had a pair of lc circuits inside just to keep it steady'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling how do you figure?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'USB current is limited to 0.5 amp'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Electrolysis of water will require much more than that.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'thats ok, i have capacitors'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling, wouldn't a Capacitor-Lnductor-Capacitor circuit be sufficient to make sure i had enough current?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'sure its easy you can do it with 1.3 volts electricity but try doing it with your kitchen stove'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and i have found that it doesnt take much current to do a slow rate of electryolsis with the wire wrapped methods'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'fucking lies'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'there is a disney comic book character named the crimson dynamo'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: '???'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dynamo, disney bought marvel comics'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'i've lost your drift'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and it turns out there was another movie they didnt show =('
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'mischan'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if they have core samples from japan dating back possibly several tens of thousands of years showing a constant segment of sand and seashells periodically in between the normal soil, as evidence that tsunami's are nothing new there, then why would they build a nuclear power station on the side of that island that is historically hit the most by tsunami's?  doesn't fix nothing but it's a interesting design decision'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'the nuclear reactor was damaged by the earthquake, not the tsunanami'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then what could they do in the future to stem such gigantic waves from hitting heavily populated area's and industrial sites?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'pure optimistic madness'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'oh, i see, i figured the waves played a part in the destruction'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'i heard that they did'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'but now they're paying...big time'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'afaik, it was the quake that caused the damage'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'and they were built to withstand quakes, just not one that was so powerful'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i would think it'd be possible to design a sort of shield that doesn't offer too much resistance to the gigantic waves, yet pushes them to the sides, which could be channeled maybe back offshore again through man-made rivers, so many metres above the average height of waves'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it'd be a big project, but i think something like that could be designed'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'physics dictates that to change the direction of force, you need a certain level of force too'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'they're surounded by high enegy sources...waves, geothermal heat...but they had to opt for crazy solution '
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: '"It comes 11 days after a 46-foot (14 metre) tsunami knocked out the plant's cooling systems and back-up generators." - http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Japan-Fukushima-Nuclear-Plant-Work-Continues-As-Quake-And-Tsunami-Hit-Areas-Await-Rescue/Article/201103415957548?lpos=World_News_Top_Stories_Header_2&lid=ARTICLE_15957548_Japan%3A_Fukushima_Nuclear_Plant_Work_Continues_As_Quake_And_Tsunami-Hit_Areas_Await_Rescue - fits with what i heard several days ago'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'in general the tsunami definitely did a lot more damage than the earthquakes'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'why? well i guess they didn't have much option after they lost the war'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'hmm, didn't know that'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'they have build for earthquakes, not many buildings were shaken down'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'America was pushing atoms for peace...poor bastards'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'nuclear weapons can create peace'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'just need to nuke all humans first'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Redryn beams with pride.
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'including the one pushing the button though, can't miss a single one!'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'then all life on earth can evolve from cockroaches :p  as most other life forms will be affected by nuclear fallout and radiation :p'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then again, that button pushing annihilational ability gives rise to future hitlers , stalins and other forms of dictatorshit that the world will maybe never be able to get rid of'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'and now there's a distinct possibiltity the land of the rising sun might become uninhabitable'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'after everything's in place, only a few alumni elites will know how to operate the buttons and service the machines used to control the world, there's a downside to ruling by force, self-defensive actions are just a result of self-preservation, but even then once the self-preservative reason behind the defensive strategy is forgotten, then the bevel swings the other way'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Dynamo doesn't know what he's talking about, best to just ignore him.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'i know what i'm talking about'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'but i sure wish i could be wrong'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Nukular powar iz baaaad!'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that old saying 'to secure peace is to prepare for war', there's protecting peace but securing peace sounds dictatorlike doesn't it?  as far as i can see as long as there's somebody dictating somebody elses life unjustly in that somebody's opinion then somebody will resist that dictator, and if the person feeling oppressed isn't alone there, then there is always the lingering anarchy around the corner'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what's the reason you feel oppressed, cause you gotta do something in a day to earn your way in life, or cause there's nothing to do because there's no work anywhere?  '
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i believe the people who cause both forms of oppression have never suffered from either, but those who enforce their will are under their employment and earning their bread through it, the military economy'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'sitting up in their high horses and never lifting a hand to do a thing, yet by some arcane birthright deciding what's right or wrong, as though they've ever been subjected to any of the results of their decisions'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they wouldn't be so quick to pull that trigger if they were on the other end of the gun'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'nobody has the answer to everything, only through communication with the majority can any consensus of peace be acheived, imo, media cencorship and brainwashing all controls that in favour of the high horseman of that division of the world'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'people don't think they're brainwashed, but why else would they do what they do ?  there's a book written somewhere around 1927 discussing propaganda and how it can be used to engineer societies mind in large to see things a certain way, conditioning - joseph stalin is said to have greatly monitored the media he allowed played in russia while he was ruling, there seems to be some monitoring happening over here, but it's pretty filled with evil isn't it?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'china closely monitors its media today, but still seems to be a not very pleasant place to live from the 37 dead coal miners in a day and the 1 million displaced people for a hydroelectric dam and things like that'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i hear that cuba once shot down a civilian aircraft that was dropping pamphlets describing what is democracy in their language over the country'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'all i see since 1985 or so when i can remember is warfare, whores, pointless death, evil priests, lying politicians, people who are suicidal for innumerable reasons given to them by society, future wars in the making, machines to displace humans constantly developed, nature replicated synthetically, (in the likeness thereof from moses's story there) but never equally, things not fully understood but possibly catastrophic given data that isn't considered in the money makers mind being pursued wrecklessly, studies and balances that could contradict alot of the decay in the world being neglected and ignored, children being exploited on a daily basis like a chicken in a feedlot'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what' the point in living?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and people wonder why people wrecklessly destroy their own lives when coming from these situations being witnessed and programmed into their minds and no horizon of hope ever appearing, except sometime after the reaper reaps their existance from this world as though they were weeds and god of reality is racist'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'into some desperate last gasp at freedom, after the tombstone falls'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'that was bad prose poetry'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i just call it as it is, i can see life through the perspective of several disasterous visions, it's one of the burdens of having a imagination filled with wretched tools'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'do not quit your day job to attempt to become a prose poet - you're too deluded and partly incoherent'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's always funny listening to the old timers say how it used to be, they had a purpos to their lives , i guess back then there were those who didn't too, but that would be on a exponentially depleted scale imo'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then around 1947-1950 the military drafters come along and reap all but the neccessary family members from the farm to go fight in some war overseas'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if you have flat feet you're safe, i wonder if they still say that'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'there are a couple of countries today that still have mandatory conscription.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'nowadays i guess with all the media their minds are witness to from birth till war along with the society affected by that media surrounding them, ripple affecting every facet of their lives, joining the army just seems like a valuable opportunity, some are in it for the money, some for the medals, some maybe for their country, some for having job opportunities once they get back home, some to get out of prison earlier'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'there are already plenty of religious philospher crackpots on the welfare rolls'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how come canada was just find conquering the indians all the while the middle east was in a constant state of uproar over itself?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'my family wasn't a part of that, or any other enslavery systems like in georgia and america's story'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'now all of a sudden that things are settled here, the minds get programmed to have to go and fight terrorist threats that are constantly popping up'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'a russian bomber sighted in a canadian airspace zone, possibly containing nukes, there's a future call to arms in the making'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'isn't it wonderful'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'incoherent drivel attempts to drive out coherent drivel'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'do you communicate with russians?  george bush went for a visit there and to mongolia'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i wonder why they'd threaten canada at all since it's not canada starting all of these wars'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then who's lobbying the prime minister to take part in them'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'seems pretty common sense to me, did hitler ever threaten canadians?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'who was the man with the steel mill in nazi germany who was the uncle of 2 us presidents?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'did it stop operations suddenly during those wars?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the high horses ride out'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's all it looks like to me, the cowboys from hell and the human cattle'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'keeping reality in a constant state of decay'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what would you do if all of a sudden reality disintegrated into a all consuming fire, and all was known, and all within the fire was dissolved, and you couldn't escape the fire but still had consciousness'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'eternally aware, but without any sentient being, that seems to be the peak of the world's philosophy'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"The Daily Show March 21 2011" was funnier than usual -- the week hiatus permitted the writers to write something funnier'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'anybody know the exact non-terrorist casualty count, sans soldiers, so far since george bush senior first went to the middle east? (or sent his soldiers there)'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or the amount of palestinian homes destroyed while the israeli's violate international laws stating that they can't build there?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how about the amount of those destroyed homeowners in the refugee camps joining up with resistant 'militant groups' after having all they worked for in life destroyed, in percentages'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how about the exact number of murdered cambodian's during that genocide?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'some are waiting for that mass murderer, war criminal, terrorist, GWBush to be put on trial for war crimes'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'long wait ?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or the amount of mutated children of war from the chemicals they sprayed over vietnam'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'proven effective i guess, the same corporation who provided that 'solution' has international farmers on their chemical treadmill'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Monsanto is responsible for the war crimes in Vietnam ??'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then there's the catholic priest from colombia who sent a letter to the white house, claiming that the chemicals the us tax payer is funding the spraying of over the amazon rainforest is resulting in sick, dead and missing children - iirc he stated that out of 87 children recorded at one checkpoint going to another to seek medical help, less than 20 arrived'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's obama in chile and brazil now, i wonder if he's going to stop by the (decent?) catholic church there in colombia and explain why the spraying didn't stop'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it seems cocaine still is constantly streaming into the usa and canada'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the child attrition from catholic priests and south american pedophiles is likely a greater epidemic than from a few chemicals'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'well, this one priest i can't vouche for his absence of any of those crimes, but that he protested the spraying in light of the photographs of refugees running form the colombian rainforest to seek shelter in ecuador and other places, gave his letter some consideration from me'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but yeah, things seem to be pretty corrupt down south in america'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'maybe the catholic priest was attempting to blame the muderous pedophile crimes of the church on the whitehouse'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): .Faust Necroshine shrugs helplessly.
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it seems the white house has secret meetings with the pope, the head of state, that never see publicity except for the entering and exiting of the chamber'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so with that in mind, i'd still question that assessment'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a common practice is for criminal organisations to hire "innocent spokesliason" to speak for them'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'along with the reports of several candidates for becoming pope being assassinated when a new one is to be selected, i read varying reports of those around the world'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe they did their job too selflessly and zealously in favour of a pure doctrine and were a threat to international tyranny'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'but that supposedly "innocent" spokesliason may be guilty of aiding and abetting the criminal organiasion'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's definitely true yeah'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'true possibilities'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but that doesn't stop the reality that the mexican american border should be the one receiving the critical attention instead of the canadian american one, reading reports from usa news websites and government overviews to local news along the border, it seems they're very aware of problems but don't actually try to stop them, from those who they know to be solely for that purpose of distribution of narcotics, to those who in a poor community drive around in 250,000 dollar vehicles'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the cops being corrupted in mexico from their news aren't the only ones, there's plenty of new mexican and other border state police forces that are heavily corrupted and revealed repeatedly, according to what i seen'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you know what the bible says, 'remove the beam from thine own eye, before you can see clearly to remove the mote from thy brothers', on a national scale here uncle sam and brother canada, brother mexico apparently needs less support from uncle sam's own internal security and drug trafficking policemen not doing their job of stemming the flow so that brother canada doesn't receive so much of that flow through uncle sam'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: ''we can spot a dime on a sidewalk' but damn, we just can't keep our law enforcement clean enough to do what it's paid to do'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'why not legalize cocaine instead of making a cops and robbers game out of it'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's one side of the dime'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'we know what's wrong with you though, you damn canadian.. uhh, more stable nation than oursers'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'wickedness in the world is alsao aided and abetted by incoherence'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Wickedness in the world is also aided and abetted by incoherence.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if only the us military would go amount the american flag and ride it through itself, cleaning out the corruption before riding to war on some other nation'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"go amount" is incoherent crap bad grammar'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'for what it's worth, i guess you're right'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://3.bp.blogspot.com/__5d7eXyV_hE/TCNYFr2XO1I/AAAAAAAAA9I/1WKhep-OYYk/s400/OnceWasNotAlbumCover.jpg&imgrefurl=http://musickmetal666.blogspot.com/2010/11/cryptopsy-once-was-not-2005-artist.html&h=400&w=400&sz=29&tbnid=yONiL83iL51JsM:&tbnh=124&tbnw=124&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dcryptopsy%2Bonce%2Bwas%2Bnot%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=cryptopsy+once+was+not&hl=en&usg=__l_XOo0a3N4Iclo5n98RjtsXwf_U=&sa=X&ei=2m6ITYSAI4HCsAPmktWNDA&ved=0CDEQ9QEwAw'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'see if you can copy/paste that'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'pretty awesome conceptual picture, i could be an abstract artist with a bad poetic touch'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'please use tinyurl'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'incoherent to the few, the proud and the elite'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'is that a copy/paste trojanvirus '
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'nope'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'an attempt to hack with a buffer-overrun-overflow'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you trust youtube? Cryptopsy - Angelskingarden http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4QR6iFS04o 0:41 has the picture'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'never installed the software to watch youtube here'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's nice, cause it shows that the people in charge of the cops in america would consider riding the military through its own streets to clean up its own filth would amount to their own destruction'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'by filth i don't mean gender or race or size of body mass or functionality(dys), rather those who make it a worse and worse place to live day by day'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'should be put in a museum of fine arts'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Massacrer Macbeth: 'i know it's slow but i just heard alexandra wallace left ucla. power of internet'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If she had been black, there never would have been an uproar.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Massacrer Macbeth: 'why so? isn't the content she vlog about more of a factor than her color?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You'd think, but this is America.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Massacrer Macbeth: 'poor girl.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Massacrer Macbeth: 'moreover a final year student. what  a waste'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'She'll be back in a year, I bet.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Just have to let the furor die down.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Massacrer Macbeth: 'you think so? people gona create another wave on that fact shes back etc blah blah. my point is give her a blog and ppl should learn to take things less seriously'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'People have short memories'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Massacrer Macbeth: 'shiet i mean give her a break*'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Massacrer Macbeth: 'haha ok thats true. internet sensations die fast. come fast too'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I firmly believe that if she had been black, there wouldn't have been half as much outcry.  Her behavior would have been chalked up to her being a minority.  But because she's white, the only possible explanation is that she's a complete racist fuck that needs to be beaten to death.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm going to guess that the people making death threats won't have jack shit happen to them.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Oh, and free speech?  First Amendment?  What are those?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Massacrer Macbeth: 'yeah. but i bet the threats were real'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Massacrer Macbeth: 'asian gansters.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Lesson learned, though.  If you're going to talk shit about minorities, FFS don't show your face when you're doing it.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Massacrer Macbeth: 'why would anyway? the attention and focus was all abt her'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Massacrer Macbeth: 'yes. 100%. especially on the internet'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yet again, Dashiell: 'I really don't understand why anyone cares about race. Hasn't the US school system been telling children that we must not hate little Jamaal because he's black? Or hate Hadeeb because he's wearing a turban?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yet again, Dashiell: 'Isn't it working so well?!'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Massacrer Macbeth: 'on the outside yes. the truth is, inside each and everyone of us, we are racist to a certain extent. we just dont show it / act like we are not'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Massacrer Macbeth: 'keyword is to a certain extent but definitely we are.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yet again, Dashiell: 'I don't judge people on appearances. I judge them by words, deeds, and the disparity between them.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'fyi, free speech and first amendment are referring to government control...ucla and the government have done nothing against her. free speech and first amendment don't guarantee that you won't get your ass kicked because of what you say, just that the government won't infringe'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Massacrer Macbeth: 'but when they do something that fits their sterotype, will u, on the inside think, ah.. thats cause your a "color code"'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Yet again, Dashiell raises an eyebrow at Massacrer Macbeth's weird actions.
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yet again, Dashiell: 'No, it''
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Massacrer Macbeth: 'dont get me wrong, here in the uk i have friends from all racial background'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'd think it's because you're an asshole, not because you're a <color code> :-)'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think what raised the most eyebrows in classes where i went was how come they're allowed to wear their turban's and we can't wear our hats'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Massacrer Macbeth: 'i have nothing against any of them. we even make sterotype jokes on each other. just that sometimes i cant help but feel a bit racist inside'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '(generic "you", not MacB :-)'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Massacrer Macbeth: 'well i bet everyone is.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i could tell those kids were kind of miserable, some of them anyways, cause nobody else around them had to wear a head covering'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Massacrer Macbeth grins evilly.
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'presumably there's a difference between "I prefer people like me" and racism'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'easy solution would be to allow kids to wear hats in class, this is in canada, i'm not sure if you have had the same restrictions in the states or not'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Massacrer Macbeth: 'ahh maybe that is a better way to put it'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'on a totally unrelated note..I see an enormous lack of reports about looting in Japan these days'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I mainly hate people who move to the US and refuse to learn English.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'because your hat is neither cultural nor religious...no matter how much of a yankees fan you are, it's hard to truly classify it as a religion ;-)'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Massacrer Macbeth: 'its like someone pissed u off, you may think i will fucking kill you. but you wouldnt actually do it or make it a concrete plan. just a passing random harmless thought you cant help.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Massacrer Macbeth: 'abelinc.. lol'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'you should make English the official language of the US while you still have a chance'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or maybe that window closed years ago'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The dumbfuck activists won't let it happen'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Activists are steadily killing this country.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Hm!'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Massacrer Macbeth: 'ok im clueless here. then what is the official language of the US if not english?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'alot of activists probably came from foreign nations and are offsprings of their cultural heritage, then want to make the world around them conformant to how it was in the place they left behind'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I thought it was unrestrained capitalism, top-level corruption and lack of moral standards!'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The US does not have an official language'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Massacrer Macbeth: 'i see'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'That too, Tinada'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'new blackberry, new ipod, i wonder if both corporations aren't owned by the same people and the race is only a money making scheme, behind the scenes'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'see alot of that, rival's coming along and both profitting in the billion dollar brackets, what if the mastermind is owner of both corporate owners and is making income from both of them'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the people buying the things don't know, but it keeps their minds focused on vanity while it keeps the man behind the scenes making more money'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Massacrer Macbeth: 'that sounds like monopoly. but behind the scene'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lol yeah'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't own this bank, i just own the banks owner's owner'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'your mortgage payment has went from 13,000 dollars to 35 in 8 months, you sold your condo for 25, lets see you live off that suckah'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they say on the news the banks in the usa are more restricted on things like that , than in canada'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Massacrer Macbeth: 'maybe aardwolf, achaea, and the other top muds are all owned by lasher'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't see how a bank could possibly lose money, they have their debtor section and with 1000 debtors paying 10,000 dollars per year on debts, and 2 paying 9000 + the actual amount of the debts, they're still making a 1000+% increase in their profits'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '1000x more than they lent out'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i've never seen a banker living behind mcdonalds in a cardboard box eating grease because his job didn't pay him sufficiently to live in the most extravagant house in town'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and what's their hard working job, something like putting their mansion together?  of course not, they paid somebody else to do that with the money they made from playing games with your money'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and why does going into debt become a requirement to get started in a society'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'permanant vacation time'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'why do the governments allow people to up the prices and costs of living in an area of the world to cater to immigrants while the aboriginees are starved off of it?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'very neitzsche, caesar and eugenics'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Massacrer Macbeth: 'because many things are catered/made/implemented for the majorities. the ones bringing in the money'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and i shown that bankers never earn a dollar and are rich by default, along with the upper class who ride for free'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and money is a false idol worshipped by society, the government the high priest and the banks the baptismal pools'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's one good country music verse 'if you cant' take credit where credit is due, i'll give you thanks for the money thank god for you''
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'money's mentioned as early as the 4th book of the bible or thereabouts, i wonder if that was a later edit to make it an eternal normalized currency, any remnants of egyptian coins in existance?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they say that's where moses took his people from'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you'd think the guy who wrote the 10 commandments would realize that money is a false idol'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the first mention of 'money' is probably Abraham buying land to bury his wife, and he pays with a certain amount of silver'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'first mention in the Bible, that is..'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe, i scry'd through a few pages a few days ago and seen it mentioned'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'jesus overturned the moneychangers tables in the bartering station called the church in the gospel'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'wasn't that one woman who married all that guys sons who died becoming a whore for a piece of bread?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then fornicated with their father to bear the great seed'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's a analogous commentary by david in the book of psalms which describes what at that time he figures man'na from heaven is, apparently, i wonder if saint petern seen a basket full of silver descending from heaven and god saying take and spend, for this is my body which is the medium through which you get satans kingdom'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think the apocrypha of bel and the dragon should be put side by side with 'lest i come as a thief in the night' concordance considerations referenced for the bible'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what meaneth these things'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what meaneth the golden dragon and the priests under the table with their footprints in ash'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i wonder if the thief crucified next to jesus was in fact a metaphorical reference to the babylonian priests of bel mentioned in that book'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'worry not, for you shall be in the kingdom of heaven with me'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm not bashing divinity, i'm just discussing my own understanding of parts of the bible, along with the concept of idolotry, for ye shall worship none before me sayeth the lord'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and if the apocrypha of bel and the dragon was cannonized within the standard version of the bible, more people might notice the similarities that i see, but then again, that apocrypha maybe a later fabrication used specifically for that purpose'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but they claim it is an original part of the bible'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_did_Egyptians_give_the_pharaoh_instead_of_money there's a yes and a no'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'something like 49 generations from point to point isn't there?  does the book moses referenced to derive the genesis story (learned in egyptian scriptures) come from a time before 400 years before the existance of jesus, and do 49 generations fit within 400 years?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'is the oldest ? maybe jainism is older or some others, religion in the world coming from a time where money existed prior to its founding?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'people who question whether or not jesus really existed, gotta also wonder where before christ and after death time periods used by great atheist historians in their inferences comes from'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'before the fabrication of the gospel machine and after its destruction?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'unfounded time'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'nonquantitative without this reference point, it's a big long now'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's strange isn't it?  claiming the year 0 was 2000 years ago and then saying 49 billion years ago the universe exploded into existance, are they implying the earth first existed 2011 years ago, or.. would that defy their perfect scientific claims that are 10,000 times hotter than the sun?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then if the pyramids are 8500 years old or so, and they seemed to keep time and have astrological inferences themselves in their architectural design patterns, then wouldn't time have existed before 2011 years ago?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so, what year is it?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm not good and i'm not evil, i'm just human and have questions, and instinctually know that if i want to write a story here and print it out of my printer, if i take an old story and edit in little bits and pieces that i want there, what comes out is words on paper'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'human honesty preservatives, we see so much honesty coming out of the world it's just hard to question such a remarkable work of fictitious belief'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and the most critical and ultimate assurance of the fear of the book preached by the priest being in all honest, in verse, comes at revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of the prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things, which are written in this book.   (18) .. For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so do you believe that somebody who believes something else but has his hands on this book would be afraid of anything written in it?  what if he knew it was nothing but merlin's fairy tails'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'search the scriptures, for in them ye think ye have eternal life'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'to me that's not enough reason to believe it is 100% authentic'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'Kamal Hyder, Al Jazeera's correspondent in Peshawar, said the families' lawyer had claimed they were forced to sign the agreement over the blood money, but none of the family members have spoken out so far.  Raymond Davis, a CIA contractor accused of murdering two men in Lahore, Pakistan, has been released after the families to the two men he killed were given "blood money" and the case was dropped, Pakistani officials said.  http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/2011/03/2011316121616279778.html'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'The practice of pardoning those accused of murder under such an arrangement is permitted under Pakistani law.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i wonder, you figure they were threatened to accept the money and keep silent or else?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'who?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'cia contractor, i wonder if that's related to Xe or not'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'CIA man free after 'blood money' payment http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/2011/03/2011316121616279778.html just skimming through al jazeera'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'gangsta shi''
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and justice for all - metallica'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'metallica sold out'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'strange story at the least, i wonder what really happened'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'The United States has consistently insisted that Davis had diplomatic immunity and had demanded that the Pakistani authorities release him immediately. The case has caused a diplomatic row between the countries, with the Pakistani government, under pressure from the public not to allow Davis immunity, leaving the matter up to the courts.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '"We were put in detention for four hours and not allowed to meet our clients who were called by authorities to the court," Asad Manzoor Butt, a lawyer for the family of one of victims told Reuters. '
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necro, oh, i see, you're talkin bout the cia security contractor and shariah law's allowance for compensating the relatives for the loss?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): VampireDude sings 'Fuck is the worst word that you can say, so you shouldn't say fuck, fuck no!'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'Pakistani officials had earlier suggested that the payment of "blood money" was the best solution. Lawyers for the victims however suggested that they were forced to sign the deal.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'that was like days ago ...'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'youre looking for interpol law mud'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'same shit different pile hey, i remember the russian person who drunkenly ran over a woman in canada and went scott free back to russia cause the law doesn't affect him here'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'modi interpol.int is one of the few .int websites with broken links'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what do you pay taxes for anyways'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine it doesnt... its called ' diplomatic immunity''
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'a guy in new york apparently opened fire with a small handgun over a parking spot, but had immunity'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): VampireDude peers intently at .Faust Necroshine.
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'if umar qaddafi decided to come to the united states... he'd have immunity too...'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'as did a romanian diplomt who ran over someone in Singapore'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): VampireDude peers intently at .Faust Necroshine.
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that doesn't say much for your cops, like the impaled flag of cryptopsy's once was not cover, remove the beam from your own eye before you can remove the mote you see in your brothers, uncle same'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'VD, the US will just charge him on war crimes or something'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'sneak yeah, but that's not fair, people in singapore are short'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and by the same token, members of the US diplomatic corps abroad get away with whatever also.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'not true.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'sneak really? the guy that was on tv for caning that kid over bubblegum was short'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'clean up your own land before you go spreading your trash onto others'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'nobody got caned over bubblegum.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos it does seem like a lot of things get swept under the rug, but 'persona non grata' statuses get stamped on people'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'if you're talking about that american kid, he got caned for vandalism'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'could end their careers'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'sneak oh. not over bubblegum? ok'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'channel1 news musta lied to me ^_^'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'wouldnt have been the first time neither'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'probably.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'america's sending guns to mexico apparently, which upsets the mexican government, and mexico's drug cartels get their drugs into america, according to al jazeera's article on the ambassador being removed from mexico'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'america kinda fucks itself up '
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i wonder if the immigration officer was shot by a gun the usa smuggled into mexico or not'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'wasnt the CIA (by extension the US) the ones who trained Osama / Al-Qaeda, amongst others?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yea mexico has drugs, america has guns'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine yeah, let'sdebate necroshine, do you really care where the guns come from?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'they also armed the Taliban?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'sneak, they did arm the taliban a few decades ago, yes.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'and then it comes back and bites them in the ass, nice :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'like 40 years ago ?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'modi, about that , same time we were propping up friendly leaders all over the middle east and south america'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'US ambassador to Mexico resigns http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2011/03/201132041757120738.html'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'no 80s huh.. everyone on cocaine'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'sneak the thing of it is, at the time, it was this desert like wasteland that we didnt care about except as a thing the soviets wanted?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'when the Tiliban rose against the Soviets, the CIA found a friend, Sneak. They armed and trained the Taliban to fight the Soviets. When it was over, the Taliban went to the CIA and told them that they no longer needed weapons and offered to sell them back to the US so that they could use the money for reconstruction. The CIA told the Taliban to keep the weapons.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and now... we want oil?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'Decision linked to disclosure of Carlos Pascual's criticism of Mexican president's handling of war against drug gangs.  ..... But the alliance has been strained by the public dispute between Calderon and Pascual and US failure to stop weapons smuggling into Mexico.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'The killing of a US immigration official in a suspected drug-cartel ambush last month also raised tensions.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and by the Talibam we mean, of course, Osama.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Afghanistan has oil?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'we're just a big fat kid with sticky shit all over '
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so does southern sudan, 70+ people killed there in the last few days'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'South East Asia has oil.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Canada has oil.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'sneak, their pipeline does'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'correct me if I am wrong, but pretty sure the US is meddling in Libya for the oil? :P'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar yes it does ^_^ '
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'sneak and annoyance over the lockerbie guy getting out?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'duh, not for nothing im sure'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no need to correct you, Sneak :) Same reason the US wants to meddle in Iran.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'for the dictators shit'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'heh :p'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we're actually debating whether the dependance on foreign oil would be lessened if we simply got more of it from a safer/closer source.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you mean, invade Venezuala and/or Mexico, Dokkar?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'its all gangsta'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I'm questioning the morality of a sovereign state being able to stamp their authority all over another sovereignty for a natural resource'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are about a century too late, Sneak.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'wasnt born back then, but I am now.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'more like a couple hundred thousand years'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the point being the US has been doing this for quite a while now.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I would personally hope for some kind of check'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'be it another nation or morality.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'all of civilizations is based on the fact that someone saw that someone else had something they wanted and gambled on the notion that they could take it from them.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'dont pin it on us, we didnt start it'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos during the usa vs ussr issues though the rest of the world often times welcomed a helping hand'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'didn't start what?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'you didn't start what? :p'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how come this wikileaks guy doesn't have diplomatic immunity to go and shoot people up and rape whoever he wants?  that's the stories they bring up isn't it?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'We didn't start the fire :O'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'why don't they contrast it to these kinds of incidences'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'piracy'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine because he's australian?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they gota helping hand, at a cost, from either of the superpowers.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'cos Julia Gillard leans over backwards and lets Obama give it to her up the arse?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Modi exclaims "ARR!" and makes an intimidating face.
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's because he put in-game secrets up on a public website.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar you mean members of the public, shouldnt know what people in power say or do?'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, that's a real crime. Imagine the people learning the truth. Deplorable, I say.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'truth is a whole.. no one has it all'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'but yea, we should be more aware'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'nope, I'm saying that the people in power are taking offense to it.  Kinda like Lasher threatening to delete characters for doing the same thing with aardinfo he doesn't want shared in the public arena.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos, well, the only way to learn such things either requires a betrayal by someone in a position of trust, or a kind of adverse action by someone '
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i don't think that you should hold your breath for such things happening'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'beside the point. I have never figured why a "Democracy" keeps as many secrets from its people as the alleged totalitarian societies do.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos the flow of secrets is uni(1) directional'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'whatever that means.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'purity is something to be pointed and laughed at when idealists expose their naivete.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'because in order to keep secrets from the totalitarian societies, they must also be kept from the democracy's people'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'because we dont take the truth really'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'its easier to let things be i guess'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so the point is that you can't tell the players with out a score card.'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'always need a scorecard'
T3/r3/2011-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'look at the bright side, your leaders aren't plundering your nation's reserves.'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: '"we the people" should do more , no doubt about that'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'from the point of view of the victims terrorism to promote the good is just as deadly as terrorism to promote the bad.'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'and fattening themselves at the expense of the people like in many other places'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'if we could move people..'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i heard that there's some kind of land-law in australia that automatically removes any inheritance of land from parents to children and gives it to the government,'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'cant make them love , make them fear?'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'you heard wrong.'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i can't recally exactly who it was that told me about it, but it's sure reprehensible if true'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'besides Abe, more often than not the only ones that don't know state secrets are the ones footing the bills. The KGB knew what the US was up to and the CIA knew what the USSR was up to. The lowly members of either hegemony were kept in the dark. '
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos that reminds me.... does cuba still have the lourdes spy station?'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'does the President's pay increase over time? just curious'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I woudn't know, I am not a spy.'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why do you ask? Aren't they allowed to have spy stations?'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'are you saying, for instance, that it is ok for the US to spy on Cuba, but not the other way around?'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's only wrong if you get caught.'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'exactly. The CIA gets caught over there every few years.'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'so?  What is Cuba ever going to do about it?'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'these crackdown on terrorist suspects things can easily get out of hand, like the crackdown on illegal immigrants in california and arizona, people who are born there are prosecuted and held in custody in some reports, others have residency'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yea cuba.. we dont own that yet?'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i wonder what the % of people of tehse accusations detained fit teh profile of the reason they were detained, and what % are unjustly accused'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sorry you don't yet, and I doubt if you ever will.'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we own it like Russia owns Poland.'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'heh.. we should have after you tried to lauch nukes at us'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US has been trying to annex Cuba since 1868 or so. Has not succeeded todate.'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar poland is in the e.u. right? not the warsaw pact no more?'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'your history is a bit off, Modi.'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I think it might be in both'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'in the 1960's or late 1950's there was a person in the us government who imprisoned and maybe ordered the death of several american citizens who were accused of being a 'soviet threat' and canada had the same stigmata happening'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yea no doubt about that'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sneak, the US president's salary has increased 5 times in the history of the US'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'abelinc, do you think nobody would want the job, if it paid minimum wage?'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine, wait, canada was afraid of soviets?'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if you do research on the KGB and how they trained their female agents, and constrast it to pop-culture internet whore-sites, playboy and cultural disciplines quickly learned, we see a astonishing simile in the objectification of women as satans sex toys - fitting the role of these soviet's, they seem to learn from their enemy's and adopt their practices'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it is minimum wage, as far as CEO of a company that size is concerned'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine i always heard the kgb preferred husband and wife teams'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the woman who filmed billy ray cyrus's naked <15 year old daughter on that teenage magazine cover is a russian jew'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but you can't beat the perks.'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine so are you upset that she's russian, or that she's jewish?'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Exactly.
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the tradition of whoredom is many times older than the Christian faith.'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm just pointing it out , the similarities and the people who are living the high life's origin'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i never saw the photos but im sure it was tasteful'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'very artistic i'm sure, with intentions of abstract holiness in mind'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ok, so if i want to live the high life... i have to.... become a photographer?'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'seeing as how both parents were at the photo shoot'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'nah, you just gotta be born from the right place from the right nutsack'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine hmn, that seems less thought intensive'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so the secret of the photographer's success was the kgb'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they discontinued that a long time ago i thought, though what little is said about their replacement isn't very nice is it'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'abelinc apparently so'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what propaganda media reports i read, with the author claiming his existance is at stake by reporting it, paints a picture similar to a league of stalin's clones'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'he liked to do what he wanted to do and the law was what his desires were isn't it?'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'okay, but i don't recall stalin havent been cloned'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'who is faust'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i think i should know'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'he 's a dead guy marlowe did a musical about'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's one of those state secrets, VD.'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar ok... so... one of stalin's clones shot jfk?'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'a play written in the 15th century germany , possibly fictitious, metaphorically real regarding a person's life or otherwise, and his deal with the devil mephistopheles'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine yeah.... and his girlfriend gretchen'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but seriously, since fausts's soul was spared, melmoth suffered a more fiersome fate'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I mean, today we have scientists working on cloning 65-million-year-old DNA.  Replicating 60 or 70-year-old DNA should be a piece of cake.'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar not really.'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'cloning dna costs a lot'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'so does government'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'Oh that reminds me though, dokkar, i got an email from a guy in north carolina, claiming to be a russian girl wanting to be my new girlfriend'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i should go see if i got a reply yet'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you didn't really think they were spending $200 for a toilet seat, did you?'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar yes, i do... they had to market the toilet seats and clean it after each member of congress tried it'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'that's a lot of cleaning'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'someday I'll get into the PK game, but I will only look for targets that could kill me not just pad my stats.'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos . o O ( I wonder what he meant by that )
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how thoroughly do you figure they scan walmarts products arriving on train from mexico every single day for, hidden products?'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they moved their main distribution facility, walmart owned by a few wealthy american billionairres, from detroit to mexico awhile back, cost cutting and all that'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or the barrels of oil arriving from venezuela every single day, for hidden compartments'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and how can you smuggle an m-16 across the border from texas to mexico without raising an alarm?'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how come they're slow to , in their drug education courses in high school, vulgarly display the lifespan of the cocaine that arrives at their neighbourhood drug dealers?'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'this here kilogram only resulted in 1500 crimes being committed, before you used it, have a snorty time'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'nice fade in / fade out of the children born into the slums of the drug capitals of south america, would you like this to be you?  support your local crackdealer'
T3/r3/2011-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'people haven't evolved much from the class enslavery distinctions displayed at the forum baths near ephesus i guess, where 37% of te population was slaves catering to the middle class, and 98% were slaves catering to the upper class, the 37% of course lived in the sewers in chains and stuff like that to keep them in check, here the chains are if you move i'll shoot you'
T3/r3/2011-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Breeza: 'why does evrybody from different countries think we have like wild animals roaming in our back yards just because we live is south africa.... Its like soooo over rated'
T3/r3/2011-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'i don't think that!'
T3/r3/2011-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I think 'overrated' isn't the phrase you are looking for.'
T3/r3/2011-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zylias: 'have you ever asked the individuals who say they think that?'
T3/r3/2011-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Breeza: 'well most people do, south africa is soooo advanced for a third world country, weve got everything you guys have in different countries'
T3/r3/2011-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Breeza: 'define overrated'
T3/r3/2011-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you have a serious immigration problem that your leaders are trying not to fix?'
T3/r3/2011-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i think sa holds the record for most rapes per capita'
T3/r3/2011-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Overrated: Given an undue amount of credit for quality or merit in a field'
T3/r3/2011-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'So if you say SA is overrated... ;)'
T3/r3/2011-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Breeza: 'i havent been raped, no one i know has been raped'
T3/r3/2011-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Breeza: 'we have television, we have nintendo, we have evrything you guys have and yes.... Pools in our back yards'
T3/r3/2011-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'wow, you have back yards?'
T3/r3/2011-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'how's the weather?'
T3/r3/2011-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Breeza: 'no we dont  (just being psarchastic)'
T3/r3/2011-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Breeza: 'its freakn cold'
T3/r3/2011-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Breeza: 'what countries are you guys from'
T3/r3/2011-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Breeza: 'who has been here'
T3/r3/2011-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I'm here now'
T3/r3/2011-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'use 'domain' command'
T3/r3/2011-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Breeza: 'who is from australia'
T3/r3/2011-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Breeza: 'im from australia, well i was born in melbourne, lived there for like 3 years then i came here'
T3/r3/2011-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Breeza: 'yaaaay ive just got my nintendo 3ds'
T3/r3/2011-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Breeza: 'and ive got msn'
T3/r3/2011-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Breeza: 'and facebook'
T3/r3/2011-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Breeza: 'silence came'
T3/r3/2011-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'are you able to play off a hi-res monitor, or are you cursed to use a tv screen'
T3/r3/2011-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Breeza: 'what?'
T3/r3/2011-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the disappointment with game consoles is that the video resolution is crap'
T3/r3/2011-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Breeza: 'oh yeah, what country are you from'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'Income taxation, to redistribute wealth from rich to poor, is often seen as a fairly simple way to combat inequality and entrenched elites. The US favors a higher tax rate in El Salvador, as it would result in better public institutions and thus fewer migrants sneaking into the US, Velazquez says  http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/features/2011/03/2011323152622625790.html  does that happen very much on wallshington street?'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'probably have less crackheads littering your streets if there was any opportunity for them to work and earn a place in the totaliatarian states'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'Early marriages are common in many parts of Nepal. But, as each month brings reports of murders and brides being thrown onto the streets, child rights activists say the lives of young girls are being put in danger - particularly when families argue over dowries paid by a bride's family to the groom's.  http://english.aljazeera.net/video/asia/2011/03/201132572516748977.html'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what the hell is that? '
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'stuff you'll never see on american news'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'all images of the wonderful image of god that i was forced to exist in'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'death truely is the best way to be'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'http://www.jainworld.com/education/jainsymbol.htm a religion older than christianity describing in part what the swastika means'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'where's that dj with the heart symbols over his swastika burned record clubs'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'question how close hitler was to middle-eastern religion, cause i'm guessing it's misused in his context in part, though there is a timeline discussed in their philosophy'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'The outline of the symbol is defined as the universe (Lok). The lower part of the symbol represents the seven hells (Naraki). The middle part of the universe contains the Earth and the planets (Manushyalok). The upper part contains the heavenly abodes (Devlok) of all the celestial beings and abode of the Siddhas (Siddhashila). Jains believe that this universe was neither created by anyone, nor can it be destroyed by anyone. It may change its form, but otherwise, it has always been and will always be here. '
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'jains practice a religion of nonviolence, which is definitely not what was practiced in germany, if history is true'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'unless you can find an earlier inference of the symbol that makes it somehow demonic in nature?'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then again, there's the commoner belief the elite belief that the commoner belief is that the commoner doesn't believe the elite to believe the commoner as a bug, compadre'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'comprende the hallucitive lucrative demonological use of the ancient symbol'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's a very in depth and thoughtful belief system, and those ego's themselves are considered detriments to anybody who professes themself to be faithful'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'who can say whether or not he fell into the depths or whether he's the bird on the wire'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i have my doubts that he would have fulfilled those 3 points of enlightenment to transcend beyond , if it's the truth, though'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i research things that people fear to understand fear better'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and whatever else i do'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'searching for reason and knowledge, answers to questions that priests of divided churches have their versions of, if there's malfaesance then i look beyond, it sure can't be criminal to be incomprehensive :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'who was harper and why is he in the news for canada?'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Harpers are a good-ish semi-secret society in Forgotten Realms?'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'optionally there is HAARP..'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'corrupt Stephen Harper is a wannbe dictator'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Stephen Harper is the leader of the dishonest Conservative party as indicated by several scandals recently'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'seems dishonesty in Canadian politics is the norm, no matter which party leads'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'so no matter which party the Canadians vote for at the Federal level, dishonesty, lies, incompetence, corruption, arrogance, false-repentence, vote-buying with taxpayers monies, are the current normy'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'cool'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'how much are you allowed to sell your vote for?'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the choice is to vote for the least-worst party and candidates'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'currently, the main political parties take turns at being corrupt'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'cool'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'that is not cool, that is bad'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'here our political parties take turns whining when the other group is in office'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'when voters vote in political party candidates, they voted for the personal incompetent opinions and selfish desires of those candidates'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'cool.'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'maybe i should consider a career in politics'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: ''Vote for VD in 2012' wouldn't work too well, though'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'vote for vd will keep you safe?'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tired of being f'd by corrupt politicians? vote for VD!'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'Victory day for VD this fall!'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'besides, it'll look great on my resume'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'my resume actually sucks right now =( and not in the blood from neck way'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'in disney's ' duck tales' are the beagle boys based on a particular ethnicity?'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'sounds probable'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'was speedy gonzalez supposed to be a mexican?'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ah wow, i keep forgetting i un ignored modi'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'trihex not supposed to, officially was'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'exactly my point hahaha'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'heh not supposed to'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'the fastest mouse in all mexico... he was'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'just wore a sombrero and a pancho'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'well clint eastwood has done that'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'modi, did you see rango yet?'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'he has also made the movie gran tourino'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'heh i dont watch many animated movies'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'eastwood also directed ' hereafter''
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'what was the eastwood movie where he got his leg amputated?'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'disney was a known racist , no?'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'modi i knew he was jewish but that doesnt make him a racist'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'most people were back then though'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'no i think he was antisemitic'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'modi oh that reminds me, i was going to price airfare for romania'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'um, but disney was semitic himself, how can he be anti'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'still made cool movies '
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'eastwood, or disney?'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'well both, but disney'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'disney did make the first PG movie with profanity in north america... after all'
T3/r3/2011-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'back when ' damn ' was considered profanity'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'The Islamic Beast http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fif-mt4G6ZQ  what do you guys figure?  any similarities?  says in revelations the 7 heads are 7 kings, who would these 7 kings be if this is the real world scenario?'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i didn't post that video btw, just happened to be the second to watch it'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '45 now'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'interesting and informative video!'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lets get some gog and magog action happening here'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you not hear about it anywhere?'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how about 15 years ago?'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'Selah Serah 47:4'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'only european nation i seen actively resisting it is Austria'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'Heylal Ben Shahar 'morning star/crescent moon''
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '= lucifer's translated name'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's a really interesting video, might shine some consideration on your neighbourhood'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'shariah can kiss my white crescent ass'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'his mark in their hands or their forheads, that like charles manson or microchips?'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'see that star on the hands of those riders in the movie the mummy'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'connect the god damn dots!  sayeth the ministry'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'born somewhere, schooled in jakarta, haven't seen the ex-agent in a decade or so, plastic surgery, face-off face on, height, stature'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'facade of peace , convert or die in the agenda'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'CNN reunited mystery woman with a remarkable complexion to that of a dead star'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm talking about nobody's btw, sine nobody wants to discuss the video with me'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'i cannot always access videos from work... internet is not too reliable'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'but what you said reminds me of some nwo site that went 404 many years ago'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah, people fear people who give people orders'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'it said what you said, but it was bible based, not q'uran based'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'this one's interesting, motley crue in the 1980's calls people the children of the beast, maybee a conditioning for this here scenario today where all those points line up in their minds'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'saints of las angeles, i guess they chant somebody elses words though'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'it could have been the drugs they were on'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'video indicates that several flags for the nations in the area the video claims the bible says the beast will come from contain a crescent moon and a morning star, which is what they say the hebrew term used to reference lucifer at some point in the bible is translated to, and on top of their places of worship is seen'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'spreading throughout the land, the president is a (media claimed) member of the religion that calls any who do not partake in the crusade to destroy all infidels a hypocrite'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'it has been a while, but i seem to recall the book of revelation was written about a king long ago, and had symbolism to disguise this fact, lest the writer be killed'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'making some of those obama antichrist theories more considerate, along with the absence of bin laden for all these years'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'doing a side by side photo comparison, they do have alot in common in stature, facial features, complexions, the way they handle themselves, and things like that, i'm just sayin'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's just how they see things, and some things to consider'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if you can reasonably reason out why it's not so, then that's what i'm lokin for'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'his harvard friend is a man who claims the jews were black men and controversial black-radical anti-white propaganda from there isn't he?'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i wonder how many others at harvard can confess to his whereabouts during the time bin laden was in the middle east'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'just sayin, this shariah law cover up your face, raping women is ok and paying money for murdering people with decapitatory regulators seems a bit weird doesn't it?'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or how canada caters to the mosques being built at the largest freshwater delta in north america, alongside siberia's mosque'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'actually in europe mosques are more prevalent than churches.'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'while sri lankan muslim groups plan assassinations publicly on facebook as a front to show how they are not vulnerable to terrorist bait to the onlooker, they deny the plot and sacrifice for the deception (deceive and plot against the unbelievers), while this politician was common for showing his neutral religious stance by attending their functions'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'most are just converted old churches due to the huge muslim immigrant population'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so , now with this individuality publicly displayed the fear is toned down a little bit, but people don't consider whether or not it was entirely a front fro a larger agenda of mass-destruction and global domination'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah, cause they're fulfilling the prophecy of the beast'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'most think the beast will be a living singular entity, while the revelation informs that it is symbolically 7 kings'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'given power from satan to rule over the world, i guess that would account for their deceived minds, satan the prince of darkness'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the liar'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the antichrist on the other hand, would be the one professing peace with these proposed plots in place , until it's time to murder everybody into submission, the beast has no respect for women as the bible mentions, neighther does shariah law'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: ''oh look how peaceful we are, convert or die, i mean convert and join with us''
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you know what i mean, deception'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'go watch some video's of 8 year old children reciting words they don't understand and are taught to mumble from birth by their religiously brainwashed parents'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'most satanists don't like to be controlled by humans, now this here is 7 humans with their church in place and a possible antichrist schemata ruling america, under a duality bin laden where's waldo persona'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so, you think they'll be easily converted to worship another humans will?'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'does the light of insight burn the schemers in the dark?'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if i wind up dead it's probably cause it's all true'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then again, at least you know'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i doubt it though, since i'm only a mockingbird repeating what others have discovered or believe'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if there's hostility revolving around the truth or falsehood of a matter then evidence should be proposed that justifies the response before action is taken'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'remember all that attention following michael jacksons death?  i remember watching a woman returning from haiti to be reunited with her rescued child in america, who very remarkably resembled michael jackson'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what if his death was fabricated, and he instead adopted a anonymous personality to escape the menagerie of media negative publicity that haunted him every day?'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'seen that on CNN'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but to be cocky or as part of the agreement he would appear on tv and a real deception would take course'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i can't shake that feeling that i'm onto something, and a couple somethings and a few somethings, until i find evidence to the contrary, you know?'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'even if i try to divert my attention elsewhere, i still uncover things and unanswered questions/possibilities and implications of things'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'faking somebody's death cant' be too tough can it?  being born on a high horse , say you insert a limitless number of unborn yet existant names in your country's registrar, that the people who manage it are oblivious to the realities or abscences thereof, and assign them to your hidden people at leisure'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'don't get too close to the body now, lest it wear ye out'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'just pointing out the obvious, i've read the bible over 13 times, hindu scriptures several times, studied plenty of world religions or philosophies underpinning religions that arose from them, am aware of some of the world's history, can draw conclusions, keep a sharp eye on what media i encounter and observe things that are disturbing yet there'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'mindfuckers hey'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what's the playboy say'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'every conspiracy theory is derived from reality in some form or another, very rarely do stories appear out of pure imagination, draw together the pieces as you will, i'll disseminate them and attempt to see the truth behind them, and if the story is as you see it, or i can see it as you see it, then it's left in consideration, agnostic'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'freedom to think and freedom to speak exists here'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i've never been a good liar'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'neither has god'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if you were imagining reality existed and there were individual beings that were not hallucinated into reality by yourself, would you want them chiming into their idea of your mirror continually and giving praise to your great mind, reminding you that life is just a illusion?  i try and use my imagination in these experimental thought philosophies and find that it's much less divulgent when i'm revealed to myself'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'assuming another exists as drawn in cuckoo-classultion from reality and then thinking on the reality on the other hand is more anchored isn't it?'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'who's the fictional parasite i'm wondering'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'need a paladin for a puppet?  or are both puppets playing their parts?'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the mysterious stranger'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'made man in his own image, 'yeah is it not written, ye are gods' says jesus of the bible, searching for the universe in a grain of sand'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i am a strange loop'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'for god is the head of the man, and the man is the head of the woman -- what's islam's favourite infidel justice procedure?  lets cut off his god!'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'brahmin and brahman'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'A divine, a priest'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and -- brahman is the eternal, unchanging, infinite, immanent, and transcendent reality which is the Divine Ground of all matter, energy, time, space, being, and everything beyond in this Universe'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'names for similar conceptualizations to several divided religions around the world'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'satan can't tempt god, and angels said to have fallen for women did so of their own accord, those who denied god were cast down by those who knew god, through both know god - then why does shariah have women covered up with no respect at all?  perhaps it's more considerate to consider that they worship a fallen angel or a giant's ghost (considered evil spirt by the daemonology by king james), due to their mistreatment and injustice'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they'd be the ones holding grudges for being chained to the earth wouldn't they?'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or was muhammed maybe beaten by his mother and decided that all women should be his whore'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'unchain the wolves of thoth'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'are people really this stupid, or are you all pretending in the world?'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm really not sure'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'with english like that, you should check a mirror when asking about people being stupid, imo'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's the subject that matters, not your linguistic bible'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i found plenty of typographic errors in the bible btw, written by your oxford english professors professors'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'it just makes you sound like a reject who can't manage to handle simple mutually agreed upon rules of communication'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so you can take your retard judgement and shove it up your reversed reflection'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'just let him have his monologue'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'oh, I see, you're insane :P'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'insane would mean i have no grasp on reality, i'm asking whether the world is as insane as it seems or not'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'making me crazy and you insane'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you can vice me all you like, pig boy'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'can i tase you though?'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'see, you're retarded'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i asked if people are really so stupid to believe the islam bullshit or not, and you're asking me if i want to be tasered'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe you should take a taser and electrify some of the dead braincells in yoru head'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'israel's not islam and it sits on enough nuclear weapons to blast all islamic countries to hell and back'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so why should i fear discussing it, and its proliferation, and question the sanity of people who believe it?'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they gonna chop off my head for god?'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what if i send some of them to theirs first'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if gods scribes can't type perfect english, and i'm considered less than them, then being not perfect to you is a virtue to me'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you're like a bunch of kids sitting around peter pans table and expecting a meal to materialize, only you're not in neverland anymore'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'sounds like shariah law's something herod's wife would give birth to'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'she liked decapitated johns'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i guess that would take all the pimps on earth and kill them , doh'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'who's going to peddle his whore wares?'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'let the man do the thinking now, women thinking is evil, women is the devil informs us in the water boy movie'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'blasphemous they have hair and look pretty, what a horror against allah this beast is that gives us skin to beat it through'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'just beat it, beat it, sing the michael jackson chant and bleat it'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'kiss my nu ass'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'll criticize whoever and whatever i want when they fuck with me'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how do you show logic to a drone with no conception of reality, sitting at peter cleric suicide bombers table and waiting for 7 virgin mary's to sit on his young face, show me your superiority race'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or is it a religion not about racism, when the majority isn't your race'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what good comes of it?'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'all slave to emperor x'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'fuck your emperor'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'fuck all your kings and princes too'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'give birth to mutants'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'is "nu" short for "nubian"'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's an egyptian deity who formed ra'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'ra's god, and ra is the god of gods worshipped in ancient egypt'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'amun means unrevealed divinity, the hidden one, ra means revealed divinity'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'assumed to be the sun by some'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '"ra" is short for "radical"?'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if you want, have your own comprehensible terminologies'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i prefer the historical references'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'of myths'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'plutonium, where did it get the name of the jetsons dog?'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'Ur-anus'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'perhaps *comprehendable* and comprehensible'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'all these complex words have roots that can be symbolically linked to some individual deity'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's an egyptian belief (of old) that at utterance of a name the being it belongs to is present'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'whether that relies on teh will of the speaker or not is questionable'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lots is unknown isn't it'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so if some things share common syllables, they're linked?'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the Egyptian empire fizzled -- but they left stone monuments to indicate how far from where they were'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe if the speaker is aware of the origins, they can be through inference, that would be sort of like magic though wouldn't it?'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'which itself is mysterious, a trick or a reality, just plain ignorance'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's people who are in the new york times top selling novel lists who claim to be channeling the spirit of a few thousands year dead female mummy'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the egyptians had alot of different belief systems and different times, but the story of Nu and Ra is what i think of the most, and ptah, who seemed to be a sane priest among them who professed equality and respect'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how many times is the word amen mentioned in the bible, cause it's quite a few, it might have origins similar to the egyptian word'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the idea of nu could conceptually be similar to that of maya, or brahman'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'vishnu that of ra, perhaps'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Christianity is ofen more Pagan than Jewish'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'to get into paralells in religious philosophy'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah, why i never put full faith in any story i read as being absolutely real as it is, i just take my own understanding and if it's wrong correct it'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'New Testament Christianity is based upon added Pagan mythologies and folklore, (amidst an Old Testament jewish background)'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's no way that i can fathom that would allow me to travel 2048-2053 years into the past and witness these events transpire for myself'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'otherwise i could write it down as the vision appeard and compare it to those in the bible'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the New Testament is pagan not jewish'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the New Testament is a (fraudulent work of) fiction where supernatural events are described'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the Old Testament is a (fraudulent work of) fiction where supernatural events are described'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the (insert name of religion here) is a (fraudulent work of) fiction where supernatural events are described'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i can't assert that, so i can just as easily say it's 100% true as written'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'something that so many people believe and are taught must have some purpose and some original basis from where it came from'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's a story in daniel that aligns with the book of revelation'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think it's daniel anyways'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'while the new testament claims jesus taught from the old testament in the synagogues'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so, i imagine he may have read that book as well'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'most historians who aren't there to defend the religion that causes the most violence and bloodshed on earth, freely discuss how history reports it was used by even a man named muhammed to justify his murders, genghis khan is said to have used it as well'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'as a tool for warfare'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'world domination, spread the empire, divide and conquer'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'enslave and condemn, through fear comes obedience, cut of some heads'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'flay them alive, tear them limb from limbs with camels'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's alot of gross things surrounding this religion, and by that i get my assertion that it is nothing more than as you claim a collection of other beliefs perverted into the interests of a dishonest devil'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i see that in the bible as well , how it was used for warfare, that's documented'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'today it's not though, and nonchristians aren't murdered for that purpose'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's not the case where the majority rules in islamic nations, the book dictates that to not follow it by word to word basis makes you a hypocrite to be punished by god, and thus you must murder the infidels'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'at least in christianity , the verse where caligula is compared to christ to bring his enemies before him and slay them, christ is required to be present for this transpiration'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the austrian government took a stand against islam and said, either you follow the laws of this land and practice your religion in accordance within those laws, or else you will have all of your mosques destroyed'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i agree with that, as if i join satans legions of murdercult and go on some killing spree claiming diplomatic immunity to all forms of sin, due to being a self-proclaimed disciple of the master satan, then i will be thrown in jail'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and if i was to spread that that is the way the truth and the holiest of holy then i would be considered like charles manson'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's all hypothetical reasoning, but it gives insight and perspective into the question of why islam is spreading through all nations like a virus and governments are bowing down to their laws, because there is a darkness there for the reason'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how come the insideous benevolent christian preachers didn't accomodate your bids for heaven enough?  why does a religion that is in fact the cause of over 1400 years of conflict from where it stems from succumb you to its crooning status of truth?  because jesus didn't come back you want to brutalize women and have a decapitation extravaganza on all who aren't deceived like you?'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how can you call one who is deceived by a lying priest of one faith more ignorant than one who is deceived by that of another?  there differentiation appears in that one side's response to anothers existance isn't to murder them, while the others is missing this benevolent factor'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'truely a religion to fit a eugenics program, did the people who rose hitler to his social position's ancestry and their teachers ever change?'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'holocaust upcoming, only it's an ideological holocaust instead of a ethnic cleansing, if this projective possibility is their plot'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'exploited ignorance you see every day, tell me what makes my thoughts unreasonable?'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'when opinions are badly stated due to bad grammar, those opinions are not that reasonble'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if you can't comprehend me, i wonder how you can comprehend neitzsche'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Because he's well written.'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i can understand hume and shakespear fine, but you call him well written while his words appear like flautulent garabage to me'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine at [26 Mar 07:13:04]: " ... makes you a hypocrite to be punished by god, and thus you must murder the infidels" <-- bad grammar - indicates "infidels must murder infidels" - thus incoherent and "unreasonable"'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe i read a perversion of his words and it wasn't a original transcript'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Yes, but many say that about what you write on debate, Necro.'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Well, probably not, I don't think you read Latin or German.'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'legion is many, they speak in tongues as well'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'tell me second language speaker, was your teacher sure he understood both correctly?'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"tongues"  is not supposed to mean "babble of ignorant sounding noises"'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you mean like your spirit in your words that vile pit of serpents that you project from your self and expect me to seek through for a meaning'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i see nothing but a hollow pit where you sit'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"when you look into the Xyliz, the Xyliz looks ino you"'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"when you look into the Xyliz, the Xyliz looks into you"'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i know i don't like you, and i don't look like you, and there is nothing we have in common, and you're possessed by some need to feed , obsessed with me like a black diamond'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'which side of your multifaceted cranium will i shine through next'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz is a white, and currently, God prefers to be white
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'wow, interpreted as racism, now this could be reverse psychology or a inferent revelation'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'God assisted me to prove that God does not exist.  God is wise.'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'nothing is not, so how can you prove not is nothing'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'are you going to use a thing to display this grand delusion?'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the space between us is so unreal, i can feel you from here'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm lke the sky running through your veins'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'those that are in the outer darkness are beset with the weeping and gnashing of teeth, they foam out their confusion incoherently'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'matter's just a pile of space in disguise after all, or is it the other way around?'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if the kingdom of heaven exists in you, then the god of that carnivale must be penny wise and the parking lot in paradise must be his judgement grounds, beetlejuice stole the headhunters number but the thief went to the kingdom with jesus'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Jesus Christ is a patchwork mythos fiction'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so are you, maybe written in al ghul programming language'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"if the light within you be darkness", you be stumbling around in the dark'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'particle physics , atom smasher and .. strangelings, it's a strange world indeed, without light we might not have seen any of it at all'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'ethical light is different to physical light'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'light has a speed, it has yet to catch up with my thoughts'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '--->  buzz lightyear  <---- </tazer>'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if your's isn't darkness and mine isn't light after all, who can say, serpent of the light?  snakes need some sun too you know'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or does it?'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'snakes need lots of sun :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lets ask the hindu guru, he has a introspective diverge into the confusion of what is the only eternal being in reality, drawing darkness as his answer -- but that light that covers the darkened body of the sun and our own world itself could stand to disagree, mayhap only the atom smasher could verify their conundrums, had they been there to witness the beginning in the first place and not as abstractly formulated by humans'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the absolute machine of eternity, but will there ever ben an author for that?'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Hidu gurus are too wrapped in the semantics :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'even time shall be no longer, unfortunately the prophet warns in the bible'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz prefers to reside in a basement avoiding the harsh sun
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'are you claiming you are not a snake, Xeliz?'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz is pondering whether there are advantages to also being a snake
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the question is Necro, what is the prophet talking about. For one thing, you are quoting a translation of a translation of...'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '... a work of fiction'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'of course, there's endless corridors of confusion here, maze of torment, maze of death - morbid angel'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i guess it just stands to reason out what it means and not take anybody's interpretation for it unless you can see it to be real for yourself'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'how you ever thought about why angels could fly?'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'no, but i've managed to travel through space in dreams without any visible wings, but with a director who drew me towards a place for some purpose, the why may be because God sent them, maybe they're ven invisible themselves but can take physical forms if God wants them to, this is me using dreamscapes and nightmares and inferencial reasoning as to why'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'why, because they are the stewards of the heavens, the watchers and balancers of the stars perhaps'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'sent to perform tasks , as that drawing arrives in your own mind, it arrived there because you sent it to be there, maybe if the universe is itself governed by a mind, then that mind may send angels in a like way to draw his will into reality'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'angels flew because they were on aircraft :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'whatever physical properties constitute the thought and allow it to be perceived by the conscious self for whatever purpose (which you also may will) are not very relevant to you, but they are present'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's belief in aliens, and societies'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i was considering spirituality'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'in context that can be so too, though the aliens on aircrafts would have wills and the ability to question their purported orders and mission, the destination unknown'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'sent is an interesting word, conditioned and programmed to obey as well, religion arises again'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'life could be easy for everybody here, but bad people in power ruin that, people pretending to be good ruin trust, repeated uses allows corruption to be more openly practiced'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'in comparison i mean, life could be simple'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'The road to Hell is paved with good intentions, incoherence, the seven deadly sins, et cetera'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i haven't seen any evidence that this isn't hell, the case remains unrested'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'there are no "seven deadly sins". all sins are equal'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so checking out the rack of your neighbors wife is as bad as raping and killing her'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's obviously wrong, and i'm sure god would agree with me'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but hey, it's all cool if you're sorry'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's wrong, but that's what the bible says'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'as bad as, the god who invented the concept of severity who is quoted as the perfect judge would be able to see the difference'
T3/r3/2011-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'why not use that ammut annubis scales and stuff like that from the egyptian story where if you're bad deeds outweigh your good your heart gets fed to dogs'
T3/r3/2011-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(barter) in a kinder aardwold, for 6tp, the owned flag may as be removed completely (on nonAard) permitting rapid transference on a free-trade-market'
T3/r3/2011-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'free-trade in North America is there to make rich CEOs richer while the poorer chumps er peons may eke out horridly in poverty, (many unable to get work), because all those free-trade jobs were sent overseas to overpopulated countries eager to send their overpopulating citizens to North America (as soon as those overbreeders earn enough monies, maybe from those free-trade jobs)'
T3/r3/2011-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'on the plus side that sort of thing has to swing back eventually'
T3/r3/2011-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'probably shortly after the top 20% own everything :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also China should be experiencing labour shortages soon'
T3/r3/2011-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'benefits of 1 child policy kicking in over the next years'
T3/r3/2011-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'though i've seen 'costed' used as a transitive verb meaning 'appraised': "the process was costed out at umpteen hunfred dollars", is that proper business english these days'
T3/r3/2011-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'did you hear that the US is thinking about installing a GPS-like device in all cars that keep track of your driving habits so they can tax you on them?'
T3/r3/2011-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'taxes are just an obscurity for more privacy invasion and control'
T3/r3/2011-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Coup de Calamar: 'Not the US, just the liberals who don't think they already get enough of us paying citizens...'
T3/r3/2011-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'did you know most computer chips built into cars can be remotely accessed through any i/o system and are directly able to disable and manipulate your steering column/brakes and accelerator?'
T3/r3/2011-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'probably locks and windows and stuff too'
T3/r3/2011-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'where's that info from Necroshine?'
T3/r3/2011-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'darkgovernment and a followup linked to a university in nevada and california'
T3/r3/2011-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'some professors there were able to break into a cars computer system and do those things'
T3/r3/2011-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but now they're even more automated and with these microsoft systems built in, who knows how easy they will be to exploit'
T3/r3/2011-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'plus the government probably likes the idea of google's android cars doing the driving from a government controlled system, it's a slow integration and removing the use of human drivers from a vehicle imo, and very deadly when put in the wrong hands, random accidents appearing that aren't so random'
T3/r3/2011-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they've got a gps system that remotely operates farm machinery like a tyco car invented and displayed over 11 years ago'
T3/r3/2011-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'just reliant on signalling devices placed along the obstacles in a area of land'
T3/r3/2011-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Necro, has anyone told you that you're about as easy as a nympho prostitute in an Amsterdam fetish club when trying to get a raise out of you? :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'no, but i read the banks near amsterdam shredded alot of bank records from the 1940's'
T3/r3/2011-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and they have a mutant human baby museum of various deformations that would be interesting to visit'
T3/r3/2011-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'just look how honestly the government keeps its word and transparently it operates even among its own divisions, xiao it's best to let them do the driving of Cos'
T3/r3/2011-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'They're all going to laugh at you, laugh at at you, they're all going to laugh at you.. ha ha hahaha'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'http://english.pravda.ru/world/americas/23-03-2011/117301-protesters_against_obama_shaved-0/'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine, you think that's ok?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's in brazil?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'brazillians'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'ever since i seen the smiling widow of the canadian boxer leaving jail with all of his fortune, his ex-wife and mother of his child in new york with nothing from his death, i was aware of the type of politics and justice that ensues there'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'reportedly hanged himself, but brazillian authorities were very very slow on allowing external authorities to confirm this claim'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine personally i doubt i'd hang myself if i were under duress ...'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'overdose on cobalt di-edta maybe...'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but not hang myself. nah'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how about the 4 mile wide , 1 billion dollar defense line against the citizens of toronto during their G-20 summit?  repeated reports of abuse and things by these authorities on the citizens, peaceful protests being smacked around'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'now we see a clearer picture of canadian government'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'look at this internet machine, why couldn't they all have connected through skype and held their summit there?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'would have cost maybe 1000 dollars at the most'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or the fear totaliatarianism woman in washington being shot in the head with a rubber bullet'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'she held a sign, it was a volatile target, we had a recorded on video good laugh about it afterwards'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'shining some light on the american government'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or the pennsylvania protestors being beaten'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i really hate how non-evil people are never placed in seats of authority, they only place greedy puppets'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'he's got billions of dollars, he's naturally a clean-cut hard working blue-collar man with a straight edge insult on honesty, elect the media!'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine um sure they are. look at city councils'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine the simple truth is its easier to game voters than it is to have them like you'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what planet do you live on, VampireDude? City government is as corrupt as the national one.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos ah not in my city'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'you can google how many times they've investigated and found zero corruption'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'on the other hand, the fact that they've had so many investigations is ... a good thing?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so one official gets any graft in your city, nothing free, no extra privileges, nothing. They are ordinary citizens struggling like the rest.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, let's not ticket this car, it's the mayor's, in your city.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos that sounds like the sort of corruption that would have been turned up by one of those investigations'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ah, cops here even get dui's if another cop pulls them over while drunk'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'were the people investigating corrupt?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ohm i doubt it.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ohm i think the fbi did at least one of the investigations, and they're as honest a law enforcement agency as you can find in my country?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'fbi? honest? lol'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'though thinking about it, the fbi found several corrupt police officers'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'just don't recall them finding any corrupt city council guys'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ohm of course?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ohm without honest folks like them senator mcarthy and mr timmy mcveigh wouldn't be as famous as they are.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the best thing you can say about the FBI is that some of their employees are honest.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos there was an author once who wrote a satire, well, one in particular, and he said ' who watches the watchmen ''
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i'm sure if anyone was ever above reproach, they might be tempted to be corrupt...'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as an agency they operate for the benefit of those in power. Witness their handling of 9/11. Someone that passed the rent-a-cop academy could have done as well.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but here in america, even senators get caught for things... there was one who was helping terrorists in the news last year who got caught'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos it's not an academy, it's 3 videos explaining not to detain anyone because it's unlawful imprisonment, not to use a gun like a cop might, and that you can't arrest people for anything less than a felony'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'it takes about an hour to watch all 3.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, but that's a smokescreen, VampireDude. When, finally, a senator gets caught, it's treated as an anomaly, something that generally doesn't happen and when it does they are found out. But in fact, those who get caught, get caught because they are out of favor with the power structure.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos a clean conscience is like a suit of armor.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'and no one wears one'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ohm , what about me ? ^_^'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): VampireDude dances wildly before you!
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'doubt it'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if you think that, in general, legislators have a clean conscience, it's time for you to leave Oz and go back to Kansas.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'try me ^_^'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos, what about bill whats his face from kansas that tried to be a president nominee a few years back'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'are you saying you never once lied? never once stole? anything? told some kid about santa?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ohm never did the santa, never stole? what do you mean lied?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i got permission to take this pen ^_^'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'it has an advertisement on the side, so they said it was okay.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'have you ever told a kid about santa or the easter bunny or something?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'no?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i think i told some daoines about the tooth fairy once'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'ahhh a lie'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i think there was a debate about a tooth fairy giving more if you were in england'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'due to the arbitrary differences between the pound and the dollar?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ohm, what do you mean a lie?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if a government official is entrenched in the power structure, he/she will never get caught. It's only when one of them pisses off the power cartel that they get "caught". That is how the power brokers purge the undesirable from their ranks.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos, so you mean if you are owned by a power broker, you'll go far?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'absolutely'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'but there is no tooth fairy'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'is that why so many organized crime groups and some 5% motorcycle clubs require people to commit felonies on camera or in front of witnesses?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ohm, why do you say so? i've never seen proof that there isnt'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'any more than i've seen proof that the fey folken of irish mythology are any less real?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'leprechauns and so on?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'you believe in te tooth fairy?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): VampireDude sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'no?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but i still brush and floss'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: '<--- uses johnson and johnson brand floss'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't know about that, and that is beside this point. A more to the point question is: Do you think Obama or Bush or any other "leader" would have gotten where they have without being approved by the powers-that-be?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'well, i think bush's daddy pulled a few strings.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i think obama believes in what he's saying and doing...'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'hygiene is different than believing a in fairy giving you money for used teeth'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and Bush's daddy is as criminal as he can be.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in fact, that's one of the Bush's family trade mark. They ar lawless.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos um, that depends.... do you agree it'll be at least 50 years before we can read the cia's records on him?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'in my country we have a presumption of innocence...'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and why would I read something that even then will be sanitized?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so until there's actual proof that bush sr was a crook... we still name airports and gigantic cruise boats after him'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'bush has a library named after him in TX. a library named after a president who cannot read'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i bet chya he doesn't vacation in a lot of countries without bodyguards though.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'of course obama believes in what he's doing, it's just that what he's doing is flushing this country down the can'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Bush Sr. is a crook. There is no doubt about that and it is well documented. So is Jeb and the other one who lives in Colorado. Walker Bush.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'well, jeb seemed a bit less honest than W.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but he didnt run for president, so who knows'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's like saying that one apple seems less red than another.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'nod... green vs red'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): VampireDude is on the Red team and dang proud of it!
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): VampireDude is on the Green team and dang proud of it!
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but back to point, would you say then, that anyone who worked for cia, would be inherently dishonest?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'because if that's the case, we needn't focus on the bush family, or the unworkable ' corruption of blood' that is outlawed by the us constitution.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'poppy bush got junior into the presidency continue his evil program'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not everyone, but I would say that about most that mattered in the agency, yes.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but focus instead on bush sr's employment history'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'i dont think a dishonest cia janitor would make a difference'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos would you agree, that people who topple governments, need not be choir boys?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, but I doubt if he/she were :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'stop right there. The fact that they topple governments is the point. No matter what their morality happens to be.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'okay. so if they were for example, mormons... and they toppled a government...'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'you would consider that a crime?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'even if the government in question... was say... a dictatorship?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what does being a mormon has to do with toppling governments?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'well, mormons often have different morality displayed in their lifestyles than bush's family'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): VampireDude peers intently at Undertaken Anaristos.
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so by contrast to the bush family.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and there are actually a large number of mormons in government agencies.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'also a big temple near the beltway .'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the flaw in your logic is obvious enough. I won't point it out.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos you've said that everybody who mattered in agencies like cia... would be corrupt/criminal'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and i'm thinking that corrupt = moral/immoral , and criminal = legal/illegal'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so in terms of contrasting moral values... a devout mormon... and jeb bush'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'for one thing, you are trying to tie morality and religion together. That's how Muslims are getting crucified.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos yep... crusades and control of oil.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'was there some kind of doubt in that?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, religion has nothing to do with it. However, if this "debout" mormon is engaged in promoting sedition in foreign lands his is as crooked as the atheist that works with him.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos well, a lot of people don't take the risk of provoking a government, unless they are paid to do so'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so if the guy is promoting sedition... maybe he's getting paid to do so'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'that could be his job, the way britney spears's job is to look slutty and try to sing?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'we can't all be slutty pop musicians.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'some of us need other jobs.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and there is where the morality aspect kicks in. Why would a moral person take money to overthrow a government?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'if he believed the government was evil, or had fundamental views in the rights of a people to self govern'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'then he would have a moral basis for the act.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we are not talking about a rebel trying to overthrow a tyranny. We are talking about an employee whose job is to destabilize someone else's way of life.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'if in the 1960s, he had an deep seated moral fear of communism and its habit of persecuting religious belivers, he might go against a communist government'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'right. and if their inner moral code supports the task they are given, there is no problem for them except in accomplishing the task'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'of an air force pilot is okay with dropping napalm on a bunch of people.... then he will do so when ordered'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'what if the person won't do the act unless paid?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'fortuneately... air force pilots are paid'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, that doesn't work. He can be as passionate as he wants to be, but the fact of the matter is that he is not only doing it for personal gain but he is doing it for a government that wants to gain control of another country by any means.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'its not just an adventure, it's a job'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos his thinking doesnt require him to look at satelite states and a big'picture or eagle's eye view '
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'if the morality involved in his own acts as a cog in a vast machine suits his moral code'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'then it doesnt require him to be corrupt'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there have been many honorable men and women that have died for a cause, whatever the cause might have been. I doubt anyone of that caliber works for the CIA.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'if a big picture was everything, nobody could pay taxes for fear of that tax money causing somebody somewhere to be executed by capital punishment'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos the thing about people dying in that line of work, is that you don't hear about it much'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'whether they have a lengthy life expectancy, or are less news-worthy... is anybody's guess'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'take Irak, for example. Look how many hundred of thousands have died so that the US can accommodate itself. How can a moral person help carry out such atrocities in name of a paycheck.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos would you accept as a fair statement, that the sort of people who would work in the american cia, are of the same moral fibre as the people that would work for the russian kgb, and fsb, and gru by extension?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I won't bring up Afghanistan, Viet Nam, the overthrow of the Greek monarchy, the war of 1812, the Spanish-American war, World War I, Word War II or Korea. I don't have time.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos ok, looking at Iraq... at this point, the undeclared war to obtain weapons of mass destruction and avenge a sniping attempt on bush senior, has been started.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'peace won't come just by a bunch of soldiers abandoning their posts?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, I would. But the inference there is that thier bosses would also qualify.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos, maybe we should focus on a conflict that's already ended... how about usa vs iran in the 70s.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'their bosses are the united states congress... lots of turnover'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'if i was for example, the mayor of a city, and the transportation comissioner, or the police comissioner had been doing their job for 8-10 years without any specific problems, i'd probably defer to their judgement'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, you mean that even with all the help the CIA could give them the SAAVAK was not able to supress rebellion there and the Shah had to flee? At tremendous concern to the US, who had propped him up because he was allowing listening posts on their Soviet border?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i don't think most of congress goes around micromanaging cia or nsa'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos well... and apart from savak and their enhanced-interrogation techniques ...'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, they could if they wanted to.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i was also considreing the aftermath of roosevelt's little coup too'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos exactly, they could... if they wanted to'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the SAAVAK was one of the deadliest agencies in history. They made the KGB look good (the KGB that is popularized in US fiction, anyway).'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i think a lot of people would sleep better at night not knowing exactly what the us marines or the us army or the central intelligence agency do '
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos well to be fair, there was a bit more severity in uzbekistan and greece in the last century'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i doubt most congressman really want to burden theirselves with the fine details ...'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but if they felt they had to, they could indeed look into things.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'there was a church report to congress on the cia once'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'for example.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you know, I am sick of that argument. That is complete bullshit and the means by which those in power justify their actions. They claim that this is a democracy but when it comes to vote on the Nation's direction, it is all done behind closed doors and without the knowledge of the memebers of the commonwealth.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'agreed, such votes are done by commitees... behind closed doors'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but... they are done by elected representatives'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'yeah, the votes are NEVER made public, what are you smoking?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'which in essence your concern could be addressed through voting reform... to a more representative form of government'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'nocturnus um, they keep journals'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'you can go to the national archives and records administration to view them.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'you just need an id and to sign a thing saying you won't destroy or steal the records.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'you don't get sarcasm do you?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, we won't tell you about Operation Paperclip. We won't tell you that the Nuremburg trials were a mockery designed to appise the public. That those convicted in that court were minor participants at best. That the real monsters of the Hitler era were now in the pay of the US government. '
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'nocturnus, do you have any idea how tedious it is to read legislative journals ?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'so?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos yes... i recall the x-files episode about paperclip.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'do you remember operation ' gladio ' ?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, so?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, so you think Paperclip is fiction?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos so you're saying... that just because the germans called for a fascist government, that the servants in their military and health sectors who served their country... are evil?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yeah i get it, atrocities were commited... serbians commited atrocities against croatians too.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you raise arms in an evil cause, you are evil. They had the option to refuse to serve.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'its not like you're going to tell me that everybody who lived in germany in the 1940s, is the spawn of satan.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, I don't say things like that.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos so then... if a person is drafted into military service, they're as evil as a general commanding them?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'if your nation's elected government declares war.... and you're in uniform, you have an obligation to serve your nation'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'your choice was when you took that uniform to begin with.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but I will say that a large group, maybe even a majority, agreed with Hitler's original policies of race purity. I understand the climate that brought Hitler to power, that is not my point.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and again when you have the immediate choice of firing at or being fired at?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yes, here in america also, eugenics were very popular'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'some people even claim that in countries like serbia and israel, ethnicity is very important'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'we used to experiment on invalids and mental cases like they were chimps or bunny rabbits.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'we still do to a certain extent, but now its more regulated'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you are asking me whether one should die for one's beliefs or not, the answer is up to the individual. But the individual cannot claim that he/she acted under duress. One is either willing to do something or one is not. If they fire it is because they are willing to do so. Whether they like it or not is not the point.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'the nazis would've cringed at some of those experiments, i bet chya'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dollas: 'public schools ? :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dollas nice guess, but no =)'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dollas you should check out how many drug trials participants are also relying on government funded health programs such as ssdi ...'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dollas: 'there's still experiments going on'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dollas: 'for instance the food pyramid'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and technically, ssdi is not a health program, for you nitpickers :P'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but it walks one in the door for other access x.X um anyways'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dollas: 'the government said to eat less fat and more complex carbs, and now we have higher instances of obesity, heart disease and diabetes'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dollas ah , i didnt hear them say that'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'i think fast food can explain that too a certain extent'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ohm i disagree.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i eat a lot of fast food, and i barely weigh enough.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dollas: 'when their is no evidence to suggest serum cholesterol causes heart disease or is even grossly affected by dietary cholesterol'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'define alot'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that won't stop your arteries from hardening.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ohm, i've had mc donalds 4 times a week'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'alot is three times a day'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos obesity does not = simple squeamous epithelia forming plaques'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'you eat fast food not so much, really'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ohm, i see'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dollas: 'watch a movie called fathead, guy ate nothing but fastfood for a month and dropped 12 pounds and lowered his cholesterol'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'or watch supersize me'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dollas doesn't surprise me'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ohm i want to, but blockbuster is the only place that has it, and they want 6$'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the greese doesn't have to be sufficient to make you obese, it just have to bind to your body and bide its time.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos, lol!'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dollas: 'but don't eat animal fats even though thats what folks ate for the last 200,000 years :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos but that still doesnt account for other peoples obeseness the way cell phones might =)'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'borrow it from a friend'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i don't know a single obese person who doesn't own a cell phone, in fact.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so... clearly that is a better correlation than fast food eating'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): VampireDude peers around himself intently.
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'virtually everone owns a cell phone, obese or not'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dollas: 'the point is the government does all sorts of experiments and behaviour modification that aren't neccessarily in our best interest :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) KeetenEatr Delerious: 'VD, I don't really care about anything you're saying, but you keep using personal, anecdotal evidence ("I eat.. I don't know single...") which is meaningless evidence. If you're going to debate - do it properly.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ohm... and thin people eat fast food, obese or not'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'delerious let's be fair then, what evidence was used for the claim that fast food eating makes people obese?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I wonder if obesity is linked to the habit of driving to the corner store?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) KeetenEatr Delerious: 'Tuquoque. That has nothing to do with your statement.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'the fact they fatten up mice and rate on fast food'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dollas: 'I don't eat fast foods but I don't eat bread, wheat or vegetable oils if i can help it'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'delerious directly analogous... not a tu quoque ^_^'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'and then the rats will not switch back to eating healthy food'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) KeetenEatr Delerious: 'The fact that someone else didn't use a strong argument doesn't strengthen yours. You have no verifiable facts - it has nothing to do with anyone else.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ohm i cant get a rat to eat mc donalds actually'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) KeetenEatr Delerious: 'Just sayin'. Go back to your meaningless bickering :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'delerious but all i was doing was demonstrating an analogy to their argument =)'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'yeah. rats eat anything'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so there is no fallacy,so long as i maintain a perfect analogy'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) KeetenEatr Delerious: 'It's a continuous pattern with you though. '
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'unless the fallacy is to be found with the original argument'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'So.... you are focused on the symptom, rather than the cause'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): VampireDude peers intently at KeetenEatr Delerious.
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'i have an idea. try eating fast food three times a day for two weeks. tell us how skinny you are then'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ohm, i did that, for 4 days, for 4 weeks'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i got a bunch of monopoly stickers too'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dollas: 'if you avoid the sodas, and go easy on the fries you'll be fine'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'still skinny, though i got some green blotches that resolved a week later.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'no every single day, nothing else. and no salads and no water or anything either'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dollas: 'the vegetable oils aren't good for you and the bread but a diet high in fat and protein isn't bad at all'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'brb though i need to go take another green urination thanks to these antibiotics.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'did not need to know that, but thanks for the info'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dollas: 'oatmeal is healthy right?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'i guess. '
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dollas: 'doctor decided to measure his blood sugar after eating an unsweetend bowl'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'porridge may be as healthy'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dollas: 'from a blood sugar insulin stand point he would have been better off just chugging a coke'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i like porridge, made with warm milk and sprinkled with cinammon'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i've heard of a dish called blood-porridge, but i've never had it.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): VampireDude sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'incidentally though, i'm glad the instruction sheet for these antibiotics told me about the possibility of discolouration or i'd be seriously freaked out ^_^'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'antibiotics for what? may i ask?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ohm, to reduce the potential for infection after a surgery'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'oh. that is a good thing'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'beats getting a staph infection eh?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'or herpes'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ah , never had a herpes infection of a surgical site before'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'and you dont want to'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'got to see some specialists from infectious diseases and tropical medicine for the staph infection though ^_^'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dollas: 'sounds like prison love :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'one retested it a couple times to try to get it to take some sort of stain.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and then later moved to montana.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but dude, those antiobitics didnt cause this sort of discolouration.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'the set of antibiotics for that one just caused a lack of sleep, a lack of apetite, a lack of continence, and an automatic pumping every 6 hours ^_^'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so these antibiotics must be much... safer'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): VampireDude nods quietly to himself.  What a wacko.
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'do you not kill mobs during dbl exp, vampiredude?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ohm... i'm more of a quest-leveller.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'ok....'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but since you said that, and because its a qmob... i'll go kill one'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'i should not have to get you kill a quest mob during dbl, but ok...'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'looks like double is over.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ah wow, the news says that 2 us airmen ejected from a jet over libya'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'that's gotta be a lot more exciting than sitting here levelling off of quest mobs.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tenlorn: 'new Pizza Hut Ultimate Stuff Crust Pizza with toppings inside the stuffed crust. Has America reached a new low? discuss'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'Afghanistan was a war for heroin, iraq a war for oil, libya? more oil.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the stockmarket spokesman informed us that libya would have to trade its oil regardless of if they were overthrown or not'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'nah, it's for a secretly-muslim President to help out terrorist rebels.  Some of the rebels fighting in Libya fought in Afghanistan and were kept in Gitmo after we caught them.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'new debate topic: misinformation is rampant, and opinions more so'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'hey, i got mine from CTV, don't blame me , blame the cult operating the media'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'interesting, though, hadn't heard that dokkar'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'in order for WW4 to occur as predicted in the Nostradamus prophecies, the arabs require to unite and become strong enough to overrun europe '
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'if only we could be so lucky'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'ctv = canadian television?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'note though that WW3 comes before WW4'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'crash jp morgan, buy silver'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'here's a throughtful and insightful , nonbiased and non-pushing of belief, comparison of realities of the scriptures in the bible and the religion of the beast: The Islamic Beast http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fif-mt4G6ZQ'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'apparently the hebrew term for lucifer translates to crescent moon morning star, and that is the apparatus on most islamic nations'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'assuming mohammed is the false prophet?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and on top of mosques'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'self-proclaimed'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'is what the video consideres'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'crazy'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'i'll have to brush up on my hebrew'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'on their flags i mean*'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '( *'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'according to what i remember from revelation book, the 7 heads of the beast will be 7 kings'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and the anti-christ will profess peace and wear a mask of benevolence, while waiting to be in position to mass-murder anybody who doesn't receive his mark'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the secretly-muslim part might not be true, but there ARE some former Al-Qaeda/Taliban terrorists who fought against the US in Afghanistan who were captured, sent to Gitmo, then released due to the whole Shut-down-Gitmo campaign, and now we've got their backs in Libya as the big bad Ghadafi army tries to beat the shit out of the rebels.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'well, because mohammed claims to be the last prophet, and the bible says the final prophet will be the false prophet, it seems like a conclusion of convenience'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'somewhere's stated the favourable method of murder of the beast is decapitation too, and that's the most prominent religious offshoot of justice we se in the world today'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'deceive and plot against the unbelievers'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'http://hinduism.co.za/islam.htm very informative article'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'in over 21 places in their book is given explicit orders to cut off all infidels heads in the jihad who are nonconformant'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'among other mutilation and severing techniques'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'women have no rights, and the beast is no respector of women as mentioned in both the old and new testament'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'if god exists, does he like any of the world's dogmatic religions?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"their book" is not specific enough - hence 'incoherent''
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's possible both religions were invented by a secret group of people to use in radical eugenics programs and continual warfare strategies, while remaining in the background'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then again it's also possible some of hte prophets are correct, samuel for instance hated the idea of kings and murdering goats for god'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'bill cooper says it's the esoteric priesthood'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'hidden, esoteric priesthood'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"(somebody obscure) got their backs in Libya"  <-- again 'incoherent' due to lack of specific informations'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'mohammed also preached against monarchy'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and what do you call a rich priest who dictates mortality based upon a book he  wrote?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'later mohammads acted like greedy rulers'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and genghis khan'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'said to use it'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's arrival in the world happened near the time of septimus severitus the roman emperor from libya, who ruled in york in england in the second century'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'mohammad was not a priest'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if you think distance is a problem in conveying 'the message', consider how genghis khan is said to have established checkpoints where one horseman would pass a message to another, or a fresh horse, to constantly gallop across the continent, like gandalf on his horse in the lord of the rings'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'what do you call him?  A televangelist.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz prefers not to not overuse curse-words on debate
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine, if you are going to base your (not-sufficiently-coherent-yet) "thesis" on the 'validity' of ancient texts (as purveyors of 'truthiness'), your 'platform' is going to crumble'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'i would say xyliz has been more thoughtful'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'as Wittgenstein hinted:  "learn to stand on solid air" '
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'but the truth is like a thousand leaves'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'amongst millions'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'not even, look at islam rampaging through the world today, it wasn't like this 15 years ago'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the last time bin laden was spotted was before george bush left office'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'that al qaeda stuff is wacked when you learn about'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the reality's there to observe if you look for it, its .. psychological properties apparently manipulating hte masses'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's laws being enforced by the UN'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or 'blasphemy against .. punishment in all countries..' i read on canadian news sites, bill passed by the UN'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'i think it's helpful to remove the religious destiny element from analysis sometimes'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'realize the good and the bad all stem from humans'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'austria's the only nation i've read about actively resisting the muslim law overthrowing its sovereign law'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i read that in short they said 'if you can't obey our laws and practice your religion in peace, then all of your mosques will be destroyed and you will be deported''
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that's about par for Austria.  They were involved in the starting of a world war, after all.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but there's verses in their book that state that peace will never happen until everybody worships allah as allah's code of conduct dictates within their book, so anybody with a different interpretation or a different religion or no religion at all is a target'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and of course, murder and slavery is the natural way that allah deals with infidels through his human legion'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'on the flip side, i've heard imams argue that true christians already practice islam'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'mohammed founded islam based on the monotheistic abrahamic tradition'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they do.  Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all sides of the same coin.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how could they, when islam is said to claim that god has no son and believing so is blasphemy, then those 'true christians' are blasphemers or not true christians at all'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'because you could believe elephants are people, but if have right action it doesn't mean you're less spirituall awakened'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and the austrian philosopher who you'd mention the split at thule or something like that, wanted universal consciousness and individual sovereignty within a national government, instead of extrernal dictatorship, which is what hitler aimed for'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'from what i remember'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'look at the hindu temples being burned down with their philosophical writings, they're thinkers, while not all may be pure in heart and benevolent intent, some may use 'idols' as we use words to exemplify a message in their spiritual teachings as a learning aid'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: ''i am the way, the truth and the life' says jesus in the gospel, alot like jain transcendental teachers who reached nirvana, their teaching's helping somebody else to follow their path of understanding, in this case that understanding may be God'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'julius ceasar hijacked jesus' identity. oldest known case of identity theft?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine, do not encourage others to burn down those Hindu temples with philosophical texts'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'caligula and that one verse in the bible, but in the one murderous verse in the gospel, the person jesus is required to be present for these enemies to be murdered at his feet'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and if there were any doubt to him being jesus, then he wouldn't be jesus, as even demons were said to acknowledge his reality'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'appealing to muslim pyromaniacs to do your dirty work is not very nice'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'like hell i encouraged them to, they've been doing it for over 500 years'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then there's the possibility that texts can be altered, kind of like the ruins of the churches in britain'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they'll burn down the 'house of god' but are afraid of his books?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'not very logical to assume that, there may be some surviving originals out there, but believing the current books to be unaltered without a grain of salt is stupidity'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'wasn't michael jackson black at one point?  it's amazing what plastic surgery can do, they claim it led to his downfall with his surgical anaesthetics for stress'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'what didn't lead to MJ's downfall?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'great debate question'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i wonder if that story i read about obama protestors having their heads shaved (including a 63 year old woman) in prison, being detained is true or not'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'over in brazil'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'didn't read anything about violent protests, just protests in general, they didn't do the same in el salvador'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'protestors were allowed to hold their signs and protest'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'MJ was an indication than coloreds want to be white'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: '"coloreds"?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'douche :P'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then why do they ritualistically murder albino children from tanzania in the surrounding black nations?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'for their political views.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'for the witchcraft witchdoctors and fortunate blessings'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i guess each to their own, at least he was disconnected from their group mindsets, yeah'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'more civilized and all that'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'obama is makin' a speech'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'which channel?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'll go watch'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'all of them'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'yeah, every channel'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'stream?'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'it's just gonna be some stupid crap, to confuse people into thinking war is good'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'http://www.whitehouse.gov/live'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'ya'll have to take a drink if he mentions his 15-nation coalition.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Senator Starbug snickers with Dokkar about their shared secret.
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'The word "coalition" must really poll well or something. I remember Bush's "coalition of the willing" (don't forget Poland!)'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and another if he attempts to demonize Bush for his 32-/48-nation coalitions when dealing with Afghanistan and Iraq.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's a double-shot, too, if he mentions anything that's been scrubbed off the Internet.'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'aaaand drink'
T3/r3/2011-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'those 'coloreds' are not 'black' - most of them are nowhere near black.  Brown perhaps, but not black. Even the comedian 'Lewis Black' is not 'black'.  The rarely seen (in North America) pure-dark-african is a 'dark indigo' with purple-sheen in bright sunlight, not 'black'.  ('dark indigo' is likely to be mispronounced as 'dark dingo', so do not use)   And if the use of the n-word forbidden, that leaves few concise words to describe them, (long words-phrases to describe 'colored' are soon too bothersome, and are likely to provoke prejudice against the politically-correct aholes that 'insist' the long phrases be used)'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the holy form of justice according to the absence of his being slain by the sword in likewise, 'we believe in the god of abraham but forgot about the he who slays by the sword shall be slain by the sword' allahu akhbar! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxmBp23W6nc'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'This is the story of Abdallah Al-Bishi, the Arabian Executioner --that's right, the guy who chops people's heads off with his sword. Here he talks of his job, its required skills, its stresses and its challenges. He shows off his beheading swords, and he remembers the day he went to watch his dad (whose job was also beheading convicts) at work , how he saw a big black hole where the prisoner's head used to be, and how that became the turning point of his life. And he speaks of his own son, Badr, who is now in 'training' to follow the father's career path.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'religious hypocrisy is not very well known to the drones who fulfill the clerics or king's will though is it'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what a tough job!  '
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '"Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword. Matthew 26:52'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'Genesis 9:6 "Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'for in the image of God has God made man.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'Exodus 21:12 "Anyone who strikes a man and kills him shall surely be put to death.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'Say thou, Allah has spoken the truth'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'follow therefore the faith of Ibrahim, the upright; and he was not of the polytheists. Surah 3.95 (Daryabadi). '
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'isn't that one of their catch phrases, saudi arabia religion?  'we have faith in the god of abraham?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it seems you're missing some points here, you snakes'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'necro, who are you talking to?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the general wire watching crowd'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'oh ok then.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'proceed'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'enjoying watching america's ally there, and their hard working head chopper offers and the religion that sanctifies their sacred hypocritical murder spreading through your land?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'd say bring out the furnaces of genocide and lets have ourselves some more holocausts'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'quick fucking around the bush and calling it divine'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'who's going to go and cut off this executioner and his son in training's head to fulfill the word of allah's faith?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think the one who gave them the order to cut off some heads might deserve some decapitation too '
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what do you think now mafia?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'chef's in training'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'seems i just falsified your entire religion in a few short sentences, snippets of logic aside'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what do you think the holy death toll is today for trivial crimes?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'Isaiah 33:1 Woe to you, O destroyer, you who have not been destroyed! Woe to you, O traitor, you who have not been betrayed! When you stop destroying, you will be destroyed; when you stop betraying, you will be betrayed.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the endless cycle of violence'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i have a hard time sharing the world with people like this in existance, it really makes me sick'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's no wonder people go apeshit and kill everything in sight'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or commit suicide'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'greasy fuckers calling their crimes holy'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what didn't happen did happen yeah, what did happen didn't happen no?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if after the revelation that the murderer they're protecting is a full of shit piece of shit liar straight from satans mouth, they're still standing in front of them to protect their murdering master, then what should happen to them, lest their infection spread?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'doctor fucker would know'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'enlightening video isn't it?  much more suitable form of justice than the socialized world has, corrupt as it is it still doesn't do that, does it?  guillotines went out of style in the 40's in france'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'integrate and let it spread, watch your nation turn to shit because that's the way the people who administrate it want it to be'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'why should i remain quiet ?  there's the evidence and my opinion of it, given the facts'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'we'll see who you got brainwashed near me who can make it close enough'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'one of your crimes against allah squadron'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'allah is a arabian executioner who has faith in abraham's god but is still alive after having cut off several heads.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and also the man who sentenced his victims to death, and .. maybe even the king'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'at least i got a taste of divinity beyond humanity and its apocalypse of lies'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'once we die then we see what exactly is there'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you gonna tell me otherwise?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's the sophisticated nation of islam's origin (if not libya's roman emperor), sacred rite of passage to meet their maker, while avoiding the faith in abraham's god who commands that anybody who murders shall be murdered'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'all islamic nations show this phenomenon, and even little popups of random islamic sharia law said to cut off my wifes head holiness'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you think this is something that isn't a problem or what?  what do you do when they got a nuke aimed at your unbelieving mansion on the hill?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'why not speak out?  you're already a target, as any unbeliever shall hav his head struck off in the jihad, and the leftovers made slaves'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm not sorry for nothing'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm pointing out your murder cult that you're UN is sanctifying as a 'unblasphemable religion' and shit like that, spreading it through every nation on earth'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'gonna have little head cutter offer disciples of allah all around the place '
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what a wonderful image of god future you draw the world to be'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'human fucking cowardice and fucking ignorance, etc, etc'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'want to watch some executions with me?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'we got a cache here on youtube to witness, see the holy lord at play'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'got a mosque in swift current, that's southwestern saskatchewan, regina's a little closer, i'll have to be ready to defend against the hypocrite god'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz prefers to avoid using the ineffectual word "hypocrite"
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if you'd been reading you'd see what i refer to'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'go read up on the amount of deaths the holiest of lord causes peoples blank minds to commit in a year, it's more than any other cult on earth'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if you call cutting off somebody's head cause you fucked them and they weren't wearing a hat in public a peaceful judgement of the justice god, then you gotta be some form of spawnling from hell or just not under the blade'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the term "lord" is used by christians'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's used by politicians too'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's rumoured the original order of america's operation was God->Man->Government->Luxuries'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the terrorist muslims use the term "prophet"'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'for god is the head of the man references the bible and the man is the head of the woman'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'saudi arabia and the middle east has been at war with itself since sodom and gommorah still existed'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Paul (the murderous Saul of mithraic Tarsus) was a misogynist'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'before allah was invented out of the self-proclaimed prophet (perhaps by the mastermind behind the bible if we think in terms beyond both religions and neutralize them) as the false prophet, for satan can appear as an angel of light'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'arabia is said to have had a god for every day of the year, this might be a bit of an extravagation of the actual amount, and the personification of the dictator who's version of god prevaileds 'omnipotent solution' status of his way'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'some of the NT preachings of Paul (the Saul of mithraic Tarsus) are abominable and wrong'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'well, i am aware that one of the so called apostles is one who cut of christians heads for the emperor'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and crucified/molested and destroyed them if that grain of the bible story is true, we can at least see these phenomenon in reality today, maybe not crucifiction'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'long ron-on incoherent drivel is simply discarded by the reader'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think if every book on earth that directed people to murder for deity were destroyed today, then somebody else would just write up another one using existing religious philosophies and inserting his 'ways' into the free knowledge'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'long run-on incoherent screed of drivel is simply discarded by the reader'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if you want a piece of holy candy you have to kill somebody first, says the pilgrim prophet, but only after i sanctify the deed with this apple'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's good, because i have insight that is most likely used by those people in developing their murder cults'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'unlikely hypothetical conjectures are irrelevant nonsense'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how come the Pope, the one people consider the holiest of lord of the christian catholic god, here on earth, doesn't notice or address these inconsistencies in Islam while islam runs rampant through the vatican owned lands?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'surely'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe the vatican's planning to convert to 'see the way' of the false prophet sooner or later, can't say i don't see alot of evil coming from its homeland'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'this is totally looking at both religions as a tool to control peoples minds though'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'whatever divinity can be gleaned from either should be able to be gleaned without murder'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"pride goeth before a fall"'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or enslavery or debasement of women as inhuman creatures, hallucinations of adams dreams'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'none are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe themselves to be free - goethe'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'wouldn't it be nice to know that you can believe the truth without having your head chopped off?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how do you see this side of the mirror?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'my way or yours?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lets play the double double minded parts and see the inverted angles from the side'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they say buddhists goal is oblivion, nirvana, unification of the personal soul with the universal consciousness - how is this a crime in allah's eyes exactly?  ok then, now how is having an individual perspective on life and an individual belief system a crime against allah?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'woe unto you if your I be double, isn't that another biblical saying?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a reason that the RCC Pope doesn't publicly notice or address the inconsistencies in Islam, is so that the mullahs don't publicly notice or address the inconsistencies in Roman Catholicism'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'mind control'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'ah, so he's falling into place in that one biblical saying of corruption i mentioned earlier'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'ransom there, injustice spread through fear and never addressed openly, clogging the wound with dirt instead of addressing that it needs stitches'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so why not reveal both's inconsistencies, blasphemies and monstrosities at the same time, then let reality be the judge of both fates'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'when gathering evidence that christianity was a religion based upon fiction, several important insights were provided by a muslim'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'through fear we shy away from the one that results in a bullet in the head, great thinking einstein, i guess you wouldn't have nuclear weapons if that was the way of thought back then'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'though, einstein is said to have backed away from the project that turned nuclear theory into a bomb'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'also turned away from israel's request that he be their first president, if what i read was real'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'because he didn't agree that non-diplomatic settling of human conflict would result in anything other than a continual war'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'which is maybe what we see today, in part'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'wars about God though, anybody here who's been dead on earth and can confess their meeting with all of the afterlife possibilities for an authoritative recount of the judge they met, and the procedures that called them back from thence?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'conjectural babbling based on errored supposition is simply discarded by those that disagree with the cacophony of nonsense'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if not, then no matter how many people are dead as a result of one school of 'possibility', is it really logical to eternally heap corpses onto that pile without any proof?  or without any consideration of the facts?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then i should be fine, since you have to be logical to be in authoritah'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'logic based on false premises and false data is ill-logical'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) KeetenEatr Delerious: 'Is that wordplay or do you need a spelling lesson? :-P'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'jingoism is the temporary refuge of fools before the storm'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't see any false premise, as i see these things on educational websites and the news every day, and i don't see any false data, as it's all extrapolated from those sources and the observable world'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Xyliz, you are so predictable :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'are you putting full faith in the fiction of both comic books, and thus calling it false from the start, or observing it from the outside as we were discussing earlier and its impact it has on the world?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'consistency is able to be a virtue'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'sounds like you need to confirm your atheism to yourself instead of focus on the subject matter at hand'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'judge not lest ye be judged yourself, fool'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz is an atheistic antitheist -- which is vastly different to an atheist
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i pity the foo'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'at any rate, Western society is embedded in what is known as Aristotelianism. Good always triumphs over Evil. It permiates everything we do. People are always surprised when the bad guy gets away :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'We are?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that is why the movie "No country for old men" was shocking. The bad guy "won".'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'i liked that movie'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'pervert'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: '?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz read the sci-fi books "Players of Null-A" and "World of Null-A"  -- there were insights presented in those novels
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but the good guy won in those books too :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'The movie Dark Country is marvelous, though short, it seems almost timeless while watching it, apparently a mysterious stranger is the monster behind the scenes, but it turns out to be the driver himself later on'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'One of the best psychological thrillers i've seen since in the mouth of madness'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you watch a movie where a bad guy "converts" and starts doing "good", it's a 99% chance he will get killed by the end of the movie. The reason for this is that in a "good" society he should pay for his crimes, but that would pose a real dilemma because he did do "good" things, so death solves the dilemma. He dies as a "hero". Death is his punishment and his salvation.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"Dark Country" sucks if the protagonist is the antagonist'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'like balphezor in charmed, that handsome demon'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'hey??'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it varies, in the weekend I hardly sleep.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Anaristos, those movies that follow guidelines preconceived by the retarded fays usually 'suck' in retrospect'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, so you are saying that most movies suck :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i always wondered when people talk about demons, and then talk about a god who's mercy endureth forever, why a demon can't itself repent of its devil ways and evolve into something non-demonic, but how many people question how villainous a demon really is?  or even know what a demon is?  who invented the world demon?  there are spiritual serpents and worms in egyptian lore, then there are daimon the word used to reference ghosts in old english, apparently'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'look at Watchmen, society could not live with such people, so they had to die, albeit heroically.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what a fantasy land there is to not confirm the reality of, which hook is the proper one to bite'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Chinese Kung-Fu movies especially suck - usually the author kills off almost everybody in the storyline'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'best chinese movie i ever seen was called the warriors of heaven and earth'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'a movie where almost everyone dies is a good mvie'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'movie, even'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it was about buddhism and had one of those bad guys turned good guys in it, even a japanese samurai'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'that movie "warriors of heaven and earth" especially sucked'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'll never go to a theatre with you'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'that movie "warriors of heaven and earth" was unbelievable crap with unbelievable religious drivel at the end'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well there isn't anything intrinsically good or evil about a samurai.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'your taste in creativity is about as sour as the cube lots wife licked'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, but I liked the part where his daughters got him drunk and had their way with him :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'a classic ending'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'that movie "warriors of heaven and earth" was a waste of celluloid'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I thought they use nitrate :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'anybody that likes the movie "warriors of heaven and earth" is sorely lacking in decent ethics'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'your idea of decent might be descent, because the movie didn't promote violence but peace, so demented is your idea of decent'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i can play with that too , i always enjoyed jason vorhees, he's more superman than superman to me, taking revenge on the heathen bastards polluting his lake'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'that is why most people like jason vorhhes'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'vorhees, even. he was a big believer in killing everybody'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz dislikes the "Jason" movies
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the powers that be seem to follow vorhees methodology, but don't recover from gunshots and disembodiment quite as well as him'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'and freddy too, although kruger was more psychological in coming for his victims'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'plus , they're always licking their fur, making them untrue nihilists, double minded spectators observing their human fool collection fight over the trivialities that they are beyond yet invented for the purpose of their continual conflict'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i bet there's not one world leader that isn't secretly best friends or related to another, and neither would ever destroy the other, but civilians are fair game'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'philanthropy on the kings shooting range'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'as they may say in islam, the cleric is never the first to strap the bomb to his chest and show his undying loyalty to his divine fatih'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the militant type i mean, i'm not sure if they are all secretly militant in waiting, the whole purpose being for war or not, or whether there can be a thing as a peaceful islam in coexistance with other schools of belief'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but i don't really believe that's the case'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'even in a society that has protection and freedom they murder, and their children carry on after their parents ways'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'big logic error there, Necroshine -- 'nihilists' do what they do according to what they want to do in regard to their depravity and are labelled in retrospect -- nihilists DO NOT follow the precepts of the label 'nihilist' (as concocted by a clueless incoherent immature neophyte wannabe demagogue)'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'demigod synagogue?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'where do you get your sophisticated use of words that have nothing to do with discussion'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'when the truth hurts, you scurry into denial - tsk'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'true nihilism is disregard for existance itself, and that would include the viewer and the viewed'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i guess satan is called the destroyer, and he would be the real nihilist'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: ''nihilist' is a label -- individuals are not labels'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so, human is a label to, are individuals human?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the ants are a smart people - jesus'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'any religion with a conform or murder or enslave policy dictating whatever divine inspiration it defaced being revealed or practiced, is in my opinion a crime against the unknown'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'if you are unable to comprehend that  "nihilist' is a label, and individuals are not labels" then you are sorely lacking in pragmatic philosphical insight .. you are effectively 'clueless''
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'otherwise we'd all have ourselves a personal dialogue with deity and have no question about deity's purpose for us, deity being inexhaustible wealth of knowledge, omnipotent and everywhere at once'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'philosophical'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'is god just too lazy and doesn't think that any individual except some select few is worthy of his knowledge?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'theists are deluded'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'an atheist can consider this too you know'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe he sits back and watches what humans will decide, their own or somebody elses'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'is that somebody else god?  or perhaps a delusion?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"in this physical universe there is no God -- there is only me"'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'did i engender god?  that was foolish of me, lets call God Nu who takes the form of male and female deities in egyptian mythology'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'this is an atheistic universe'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the stars are hung from nothing, or is there a vast ocean above us?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'currents keeping them in orbits'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'separated the waters from the waters, above below and in between'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Hung from nothing, it turns out. No ether.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'covered the face of the deep'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'actually the stars are not hanging :) They are in constant motion, otherwise they would free fall.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so, nothing being the absence of a thing, this physical universe would be hallucinating that space exists around it, or does it just have to come to grips that it can't grasp nothing?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and to where would be a scary ponderance wouldn't it?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necrohine, that sounds like you are preaching theism'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'up down, left right, north south, when you're your own compass which way can be confusing'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, Necro, nothing is not the absence of anything, nothing is an entity in itself.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'not confusing'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm just considering things openly, you have the material world paranoia, and i have my immaterial world consideration'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am not paranoid :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is a semantic mistake to think that an entity has an opposite that is distinct from the self. The opposite of nothing is not-nothing, the opposite of black is not-black.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'This is nown as De Morgan Excluded Middle Term Law. It gives us assurance that there is no ambiguity.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you make the claim that the opposite of black is white, you live out an infinity of possibilites. But if the opposite of black is not-black there are only 2 possibilities. Something it is either black or it is not.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the "axiom of the excluded middle" is (usually) not applicable in non-finite conjectures'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'misuse of the "axiom of the excluded middle" leads to errors in logic'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in the same way the opposite of nothing is not-nothing, and not-nothing could very well be something but it doesn't have to be, the one thing it isn't is nothing :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I dunno.  To me, it makes perfect sense to say the opposite of black is, in some sense, not-black.  Just look at it as sets.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'way to go, Xyliz :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'unless some philosopher conjectures: "what about when nothing and not-nothing are the same"'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz is here to mibdf*** you
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't see what the problem is, Xeliz. If something is not black, then it is not-black, otherwise it would be black.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz is here to mindf*** you
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'You know this channel is X-rated, yes?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we got that, Xyliz.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'he's a prude :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'is there more than one nothing though?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'i think the problem is symmantics. people use the word *opposite* as the extreme case of not... ie, not black is indeed other than black, but tend to think of the opposite of black as white'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the use of astericks is far superior to crude explicit language'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there are many not-nothings'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legend of Venomangel: 'so i can curse here?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'actually, Necro, there is only one not-nothing :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'nope, nope, use the curse channel'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legend of Venomangel: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz keeps the curse channel off by default
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'so for black, all not black is indeed excluded from black, but a small subset of not-black called white is defined to be the *opposite* of black'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is no doubt in my mind that white is not-black :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'i think a venn diagram may help'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the 'polar' opposite of "black" is said to be "white"'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and, in fact, black is not-white.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Definitions are all wobbly.  It makes perfect sense to say that the negation of the set {Black} in the universe of colors is the opposite of black.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but they are not opposites.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Legend of Venomangelitis spreads through The Grand City of Aylor!  Keep away!
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i tend to disagree with that assertion, and believe there is one nothing (that is a being in itself, immaterial as it is) hosting all other (not-nothings, forces as orbits, gravity, maybe spiritual hosts as well and their spirits), then there's still the universal whole, only within is likenesses, and the diversity of things which are in a material sense, not-nothings'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'true. we define, for whatever reason, the opposite of black to be white, as white is a sub set of all colors that are not-black'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the set black + the set not-black form the universe of discourse.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'some pedantic idiots say that black is not a color '
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then i don't deny that spirituality exists, or god exists, or matter exists, but claim that they all exist within the universal mind'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'black some people define as an abscence of color, changing their worldview'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, black is not a color :) You can't get black out of a prism :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but if you mix paint of all colors you get black.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legend of Venomangel: 'black isnt whites opposite due to the fact that black+white=grey not white'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'all colors:={black} U {not-black}'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in the black and not-black universe there is no gray :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'speak of the 'devil' and 'voila''
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'black and not-black form a binary ssystem.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'even id {black}=empty set, then the definition of colors holds'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm able to reason and think and draw images in my mind, though i don't understand exactly how my physical body would create such thoughts, science can teach me the outline of such imaginative functions as they see them, subconsciously my will is performed by my conscious mind, or my mind is aware of a subconscious calling to attention of something - if i'm able to house all of these functions in a universe that is chaotic yet orderly, then asserting that there is no creator or intelligent designer would be in my opinion, ignorance'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, there is only one empty set :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if i assert that i don't know, then i'm neither right nor wrong'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'yeah. the set of all sets is the empty set ;)'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'asserting there is a creator is also ignorance'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if you mean by chaotic, that the universe behaves in a non-linear fashion, then yes, that is true.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'or by chaotic meaning, a fashion of order we cannot discern...'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so if I said "Xelyz" you have parents, I would be showing my ignorance?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'unless i know there to be one, then it's truth to me and ignorance to you, as only the being my understanding came from would be able to reveal to you the reality or absence thereof, and a discussion could ensue and enlightenment be reached to the contrary or similarity'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'if you assert that you don't know, then you yet may be wrong -- there is a lot of seeming error out there'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you chase your tail, Xyliz.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'analogies are usually defective'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, by definition. If an analogy is close enough to the point that you can tell it apart, then it is the point.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but with the infinity of thoughts and infinity of possibility and infinity of infinity itself, the only way to know is to know, to be sure to be sure, reliant somewhat on faith, discussion is fine, drawing my own will into my own ideologies that were given to me would be claiming that i am the mediary of the almighty, while through my hands he didn't write my will as his will - so it would be a faith discordant with the universe, regardless of whether or not what was witnessed was real'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's actually a religion called discordianism'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or philosophy'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a suggestive name for a philosophy :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'analogies are often 'incoherent' to an audience with a different idiomatic'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but discussion in itself, what's the harm in that?  there's politics and religion, somewhere people mixed them together'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'religion is a form of politics :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'for some people religion dictates their politics'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'politics is part of the n-body system.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'ah, somebody played the n-body card'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'to claim god wants peace on earth, maybe he would like to not see some little child starving to death while some fat old man molests young women born into slavery, but politics can become more and more strident in perfecting the goal of weeding out the problems of this world, religion can be for those who seek it, peace of mind and belief in the future, reincarnation is possible, so is anything'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if everyone attempted to excel at politics, politics would be a good thing, unfortunately most people chose to play the game to lose.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'even the gospel states 'to he who believes, anything is possible''
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'from memory'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, Necro, a few more tsunamis and there will be peace on earth.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: ''to he who believes, anything is possible' (including the deluded belief in the idiotic)'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'slavery is part of the human make-up. Humans are pack animals and as such are hard-wired for attempting supremacy over the pack, slavery is one way to impose the condition.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'that is why the pyramid is a perfect symbol. there can only be one up top'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what we normally mean by slavery is just a extreme case of it.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they're all peaked by they sky though aren't they?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'perhaps when the gospel stated that 'to he who believes, anything is possible', the gospel was being sarcastic'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you mean the author, perhaps you're correct, lets turn the other cheek and see what dhogma states'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'i think there is some ommision. to he who believes as i believe, anything is possible as i believe is possible. <--- sounds more accurate'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'who knows, I don't see why the authors of the bible couldn't have a sense of humor :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'plausible arguement at least, but i don't invalidate either approach until i know'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there seems to be a catch there, Ohm? We don't know what "he" believes is possible :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'and that is the great fallacy, isn't it? lol'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'when the uneducated believe that 'anything is possible', they are likely deluded and ignorant'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'absolutely'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'phallic litany!'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'when they believed anything was possible, women (and men, too) were witches and burned at many stakes'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Hate it when that happens ><'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, Xyliz. Technology is all fiction.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'hey, no inciting others to the murdering of witches, Ohm'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/leg/leg15.htm this is an interesting read'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'I know a Witch lady that owns this creepy motel... damn fingernails are so long... stained yellow.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'i have no need to incite. it continues to this day. in parts of africa and mexico, last best recorded case was 1994 in mexico for burning witches'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it appears as though Nu here, is Ra's God, Nu is the soul of all of these deities if my understanding is correct, both male and female'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but Ra is the supreme god...'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'I can't say whether or not the almighty deity, assuming one is present, has a particular gender or not, only that they may exist'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Wonder after 2012 comes and goes, what will all the people believe to be the next end of the world ?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: '2013 ;0'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, eventually they will be right, Sheni.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how so, if Ra's God is Nu, would Ra be the supreme God?  the first embodiment of Nu?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the Sun is due to go nova in a few hundred million years.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Think its inevitable that the world will end for human kind ?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'ahh :p'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos goes, "Heh."
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'Ra being male, apparently, it would be interesting to discover whether or not at some point in history of the egyptian empire there was a man named Ra exclusively who was emperor, but I think not, though where the word God got its origins is a mystery in itself'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Im guessing, something will have to happen to cut the worls population back drastically. But people will survive... maybe :p'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '[29 Mar 04:37:56] (Debate) Anaristos: 'Technology is all fiction.' <-- that's what he said, and previously Anaristos seemed intelligent before saying that - sad case'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, it all depends. Humans cannot destroy the ecosystem and survive. That's by definition.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'never use reverse sarcasm in a debate'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't believe human scientists can predict the death of the sun'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Have to agree, Necro.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and as all humans have been born with it in existance, speculation of when it will not exist anymore is most likely driven by fear or for the purpose of fear mongering'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, Necro. The sun doesn't have to go nova, but that is not the only way for it to go either. It could become a neutron star. But that is all beside the point. Any significant change in the earth-sun relationship will wipe out life on earth.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'what if we have terraforming technology by then?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and as that change has survived the giant skeletons found on earth, and all life on it from then till now, what's the point in worrying about it?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'for isntance, the earth will start to move closer to the sun as it slows down. That will have a detrimental impact on the ecosystem.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'the giant skeletons are a well known hoax btw'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'some family tree has a driving need to prolongue itself with inhabitance of a distant planet, fueling the destructive technological practices employed every day on earth?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'we have comprehended what being not may be like, therefore, we have to destroy you all to prolongue ourselves'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, terraforming is the way to go, Redryn. But first one has to get to the target planet.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lol, that's me playing the reaper in my imaginary protagonists thoughts'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Guessing the family tree, also wants to live forever via.. transplants/cloning whatever it takes, hence the need for so much money.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's where I really get along with the indian's respect for nature, and sacred mother earth, respecting the animals they hunt and the nature that provides for them'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'perhaps the particles spewing from the Sun are likely to push the planet earth further from the Sun, and those counteract the alleged slowing'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'I agree, the native americans had it right, along time ago. Although I wouldnt doubt over time one or two greedy ones would have been born and set us on the same path.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'some tribes worldwide still do this. contact with industrial nations destroys respect for mother earth'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'solar flare particles have mass?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'who can really say what damage humanity has caused to this world and their own survival chances in the last 125 years?  what impact their own actions has on their survival chances?  assuming you're not extraterrestrial beings with a proven (lunatic?) strategy to fly to a distant planet that is inhabitable and repeat this same destructive procedure that prematurely destroyed this world, then what kind of chances do you really got?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lets mindfuck some area 51 hidden borg cube space ship tommyknockers into the equation, just for kicks, alien experiment earth'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'i honestly think if we go to other planets, they will meet the same fate as earth.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Would explain some of the pyramid and mayan stuff.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Left us in the dark on purpose in order to slow technology.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah, i see what they do to deface this one and don't see why they should be allowed to infest reality on other planets (perhaps inhabited to be later extinct of their natural origins by the same ignorance that led this one astray)'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'native americans were a genetic sociological failure -- and any descendants are no longer pure in heritage   '
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they actually print articles on science daily where they're throwing rockets into the moon (delicate tides, delicate earth sun system) searching for water, as they claim - then i see some islamic people saying that the moon has miraculously moved'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and look at how sacred they treat the water on this world'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'cancerous fish anybody?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'parasite riddle lake?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'That seems to be a stretch, there is a reservation about an hour from here. True they dont Inbred to maintain pure... but who does?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'most rich familes inbreed selectively to keep the money all in the family. since the beginning of kings'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'now, if that's not terrorism on a international scale, hidden behind the guise of a scientist, then what is?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'we have a monopoly too to keep it obscured, plenty of money to be had by reaping the rewards of tar'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sheni starts to hear the faint sounds of a cricket chirping.
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine, your attempts at rabble-rousing by using hackneyed cliches are a seeming failure - the audience sees through the futile efforts to play them like word-puppets'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos laughs out loud at Xyliz.
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"plenty of money to be had by reaping the rewards of tar" <-- and attempt to be cliche glib that is too cute to be effective'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah, i gib you in unreal tournament, in reality that's your earth destruction ritual sacrifice to mammon, aka money, the more had through the more destruction, and the obvious realities that i pointed out, like you're blind, KMA is a school of thought you should follow, maybe your reward will be in principle and not flesh'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'we have come to the spiritual place called egypt and there's a pyramid on your dollar bill , y'all'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Interesting, why do they have a pyramid on american dollars...'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'masonic influence'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Got to say, that trick where you fold a 20 and it creates an image of the world trace center..... very odd.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'trade* center even'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'bah, USAmericans misspell "centre"'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'heh :p'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Thank our great public school system ^^'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"center" does seem a more phonetic spelling, but the British "centre" was there first'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Nod, centre, seems more like sentry than center.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'at least the USA dropped a lot of those excess "u"s  {color colour) '
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Got to say US measurements... are 100% crap.. inchs... miles.. grams... pounds... what idiot created this.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'easy on the grams :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i can see money as a false idol, a altar of sacrifice, a excuse to commit probably every abomination that a human can commit, along with several other things, what about you?  it fuels all the fractions that collectively make decisions based on getting more of it resulting in a faster deteriorating world and ever decreasing morality'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'name one good thing that money has ever produced'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Seems like it was created to confuse people, in order to keep the rich and educated rich, and the poor unable to measure.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'not involving a human'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'tell me that all the symbols on it are mindless'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'just there for the random of it'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the cgs system is doesn't measure weight it measures mass. A person who masses 90Kg on Earth will mass 90Kg on the Moon. He will weight 199 lbs on earth and 19.9 on the moon :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sorry 22 lbs :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Now change that into ounces :p need a calculator, or a big piece of paper and some know how.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so is money in itself evil?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if satan's the father of lies and money's a lie, then it seems a fitting son for him'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, money is as evil as guns :) But we know that guns don't kill people... same applies to money.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'do people kill people for guns or money'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Both'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'both = power'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'on a governmental level or international terrorist market guns are currency in themselves aren't they?  they decide how much the money is worth after all'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'if you concoct puerile questions, you may find that you miss out on a decent self-education '
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if you're any example of education in general, i'll happily commit myself to an asylum and converse with the mentally ill until i die, as they're more capable of holding a conversation than you'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'garbage questions in, garbage answers out'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe you're a priest of money , or warfare , or both'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Where do you think "terrorists" get their guns, Necro. Most governments play the armaments game. The US, France, The Czech republic,...'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'wow, and i didn't ask or answer you anything, only made an external observation of your invalid left and right fictional narratives'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'feel free to converse on the cover'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. Good quote.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'we should dig up the mans body who invented the rifle and execute it repeatedly, maybe'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Agreed, or maybe gunpowder.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they have that in the movie with that wrestler in sodom and gommorrah'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i guess we have to locate those dead cities and blow them up since the remains may be indistinguishable one from another'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine, do some charity work and visit some inmates at mental asylum (be careful then they do not mistake you for an inmate if you are not already) -- you may change your opinion'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Technology should have stopped at the wheel.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i've met plenty of insane people, and plenty of sane people who think i'm insane'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'I can live without alot of things, but a wheelbarrow is nice^^'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe that's due to the fact that i consider myself to be retarded'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'native borth americans never invented the wheel'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Was just speaking of man kind, not americans.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'native north americans 'stopped' before the 'wheel''
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'To me, we are all humans of the planet earth. Dividing by race, geography, religon, etc.. is where we get into trouble.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and equality's a dream that exists in a fantasy land preached by a priest, where of course the abhorrent are left in everlasting torment outside the gates of'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'to ashkur to ishkur'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'H.P.Lovecraft and August Dereleth '
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'all rich people in public light swear allegiance to the version most enjoyed by the population, while the governments and monopoly's they dictate always shy away from reaching the dreamscape's that the allegiances would inherently presume their leadership towards'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'for equality would mean that they are as meat for the wolves as the wolves are for the lions'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and god damned if the sheep and the goats got along, jesus what a abominable thought that is to the E-light'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'trust?  facade'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'truth?  lies'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'belief?  only if it makes me look good'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"that the allegiances would inherently presume their leadership towards" <-- incoherent drivel'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'of course, because it's natural reasoning, and as you are against nature drivel is against you'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if you can't decypher the people of the book and the people who claim they follow it's glorious path from that statement, then what does it not exactly tell you?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that may be one way of looking at it, as a spider, have several thousand eyes at once and decide'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'point is the point, unless it's not of course'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how can such a simple hypocrisy slip your gaze?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'are you that delusional that you think everybody blind, or secure that you see not the opportunity to take you down as they see yours to take they?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'follow path of the destroyer o course, for wide are the gates of destruction and many are they that enter therein'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"that the allegiances would inherently presume their leadership towards" <-- incoherent badly-worded crap and badly-strained grammar'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'fixing things is beyond reach , why?  because of human ignorance, kind of like a cancerous imbred fish'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'painful to read almost'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'ambiguous and or obscure'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it should be, because it's reality'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'and thus incoherent'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'swear upon no man, not even anything man places before thee'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: ''do you swear that you never read the bible and that this courtroom is left in the dark as to this saying within its pages, so help you god?'  that would be against those words in that book, i'm afraid'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'not of you of course, but feeding into your belief that i'm deceived by you only strengthens your faith in your deceptive ability and makes you a deeper cancer on the face of the earth'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'as seen from this current facet'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'you are unable to communicate coherently, perhaps deliberately'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'Necroshine, what do you get out of debating these issues? I'm curious'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'Do you get a sense of accomplishment on some level?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Helps me numb the exp grind :p'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'nothing at all, except some clarity and insight into the participants'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a whole channel'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'and you feel it's worth the effort?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'some people get paid to do things like this, i just do them because i'm curious'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'To debate issues on an online game?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm not really trying very hard if that's what you mean'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'to people they'll never likely meet?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'I feel like I should get paid, every time I tier.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's so rediculous i can't resist'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'and yet you are unable to comprehend Xyliz'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's not as though yahoo chat or some other place is filled with any more enlightened folk, i can as soon speak to a rock only its response may be subliminal'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'this is genuinely interesting because I've watched necroshine/other name, forgot what it was, talk about these same issues here for a while now, and I'm interested in you as a character, because I find it strange you'd put all this effort and time into persuading random people to see your point of view'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'I find it really strange it's such a big deal to you to make sure people know what you think. It's almost like you're seeking a sort of acceptance.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what's the debate channel for anyways?  i just was discussing judicial flaws, international terrorism in disguise and the slave/master systemology of societies across the globe, with assistance from the paradises that they hypocritically reject in their actions but accept as public examples to gain support for their position and quell rebellion, that failing murder is the expletive of course, as we see in the murdercult nations'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'I'm not saying it's wrong or anything, I'm just saying it's strange that you keep going at it. :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'feed the extremists, it'll keep their states preoccupied, expendables, we ourselves untouched, but expendable nonetheless, but they won't ever take us down and search for heaven among us will they?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what a strange world we live in , mind sure can be a dark tool can it not'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: '...I think i see your point, Xyliz.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'of course you do, my discussion deals in reality and how it is deceived into its various formations of chaos'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'It is a strange world, just when you think you figured it out.... your trip on it is over.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the deceivers worked very hard on staging this show, i unfold my sorrow at your regrets of eden'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'I think you're just getting a kick out of seemingly being different. :) I'm not saying it's bad or wrong, it's just fun to see the way you do it and the way you persist with this topic. I guess I've never actually talked to anyone about spirituality or this really "deep" stuff.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: ''reality' is not 'deceived''
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'see, phrases like that make me think you're Aard's biggest troll. :D'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'I mean, I can't picture anyone saying that to anyone irl with a straight face.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: '"I unfold my sorrow at your regrets of eden." :D'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'That's like after the magic mushroom -talk.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'human liars aren't immortal, so you can kiss my ass, dusted or not, and the amount of lies they can invent before they die is finite - their creative ability being born liars is hindered by their impure nature, and sooner or later is uncovered - one of these days the dust will settle and things will regain sanity'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: '1up!'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"deceived into its various formations" is strained grammar and likely misusage of the verb "deceive"'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'god is this way, god is that way, no he is over here, which devil do you worship?  follow me down to the pit and lets face abaddon'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you like money?  i got lots of it, just come this way'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'now i own you and you're my slave, i want you to do this and this, organized tools of the trade'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'Man, you got some issues.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'judas christ'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think i'll just leave your ignorance of my sayings as it is, as my interpretations can't penetrate your wisdom'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine is using strained bad grammar as a disguise to express (likely) defective concepts '
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'no wonder jesus used so many examples in the gospel, metaphors they're called, they were more than likely better understood back then, explaining the simple to the obscure'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i built a house of 10,000 cards that is still standing'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'You really think some guy named Jesus, wrote the bible ?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's written in the bible that the visions of his existance as written in the gospel stories were given to the authors at various times after his death, maybe he possessed them and wrote them?  i'm open minded, demons seem real judging from humanity'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if they can possess, why couldn't their superiors'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'were those defective concepts expressed in proper coherent grammr, the defectiveness 'd be immediately obvious, but when disguised by badly incoherent grammar, the gross defectiveness is no so immediately obvious'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'in one asshole out the other'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'were those defective concepts expressed in proper coherent grammr, the defectiveness 'd be immediately obvious, but when disguised by badly incoherent grammar, the gross defectiveness is not so immediately obvious'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Ya never know, I just figured it was a room full of politicians plotting on how to control and manipulate people... could be some truth to it I suppose.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'did somebody just fart?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lets ask the statistics people what the odds are that at that instant somebody did, indeed, fart'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'thus Necroshine deliberately speaks incoherently to disguise the crap spoken'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'this channel is more interesting than gossip, lately.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the bible mentions you explicitly, saducheeze and fariseas'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Just seems that modern religon as a whole, was created to enslave and comfort the enslaved, so that they stay enslaved.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the ones who contend over grammar and vanity endlessly, as though it's their purpose in life to be dissemblers of human vanity and not the concepts discussed'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and you placed a space between your and ''
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if you're going to worship imperfection and your absence of it, then at least don't repeat the process in yourself'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and then again, you're attempting to graze my head while the grass i sow is existant in your world'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'I'm just waiting for the day you bust out and go "I TROL U HAHAHAAHHAA"'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Nectoshine is attempting to pander to the homosexuals by speaking of foul-smelling noises from the anal orifice (which is misinterpreted as a aphrodasiac sextalk by those sodomists)'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the shining nectar of death, i agree!'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it was a sidestepping way of calling you a shithead'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you proceeded to call yourself a piece of shit'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'comprende no espanol?  i don't speak spaniard'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(aphrodisiac)'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Watched some crazy show on a friends TV, was the 100 craziest contests or something. Showed a fart contest, somewhere in Europe I beleive. They would fart into giant tubes and someone on the other end would judge the fart for smell, noise, and some other critera... was disgusting.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's all in good humous, as the doctor's neglecting his job again, we'll just bleed the wound until it's clean'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"those retarded monkeys that throw shit get smelly hands"'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that is disgusting sheni, i've seen worse though'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'I can imagine, it was amazing though. They had a panel of judges, an audience, tv cameras... what a waste.. lol'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'jersey shore in an upgraded form'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Let us kill, enslave, and pillage some more, so we can hold a fart contest every year !'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah, kind of like watching beautiful women eating worms on american tv or something like that, picking scorpions up by the tail with their teeth, swimming with sharks, was they forced with guns to perform those tasks or was money enough?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Nod, Jersey Shore is horrible as well.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'i am curious as to how people would get certified to be an expert at judging a farting contest..'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'excellent question, i am curious as to who funded the program'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'd like to psychoanalyze them'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Extensive training and screening imo'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'what idiot with money was convinced a farting contest, televised, was in hsi financial best interest?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'his, even'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'After hearing about it, would you not turn it on right now, just to see it for yourself. At least for a brief minute?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'perhaps, like watching a car wreck on a highway. the moment will pass soon enough'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'nah, after watching an episode of wipeout on new years a few years ago and seeing a fat woman's skull touch her back after wiping out , to the great laughter of the genocide judges , i decided i'd had enough of 'the running man' as witnessed through tv'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i stick to watching human depravity through the internet now, it is very in depth'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the producers of that show should be thrown into the same jail cell as charles manson, along with the stockholders'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if we're judging cause and effect here'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i wonder why the terrorists didn't target hollywood'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's sure strange isn't it?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the mind control device and the device propagated through it'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you'd think these masterminds would be a little more intuitive'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Better terrorist targets in the LA area, the #1 or so I have been told. Is the largest sewage treatment plant in California.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'maybe you should give them a hand?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'why would i do that'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Hollywood is mostly a bunch of drug adicts and burnt out drug adicts.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Besides the movie companies, whose to say they arent as well though.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'they live in Bel Air and Beverly Hills though, only work in Hollywood^^'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'Necro, I have a question'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm not a terrorist, i'm just observing things from a neutral standpoint here, financially inept to financially invented, i don't profit from terrorism or its absence, i can point out people being terrorized in my own country by its own citizens if i like, slander, corruption, pointless violence, enslavery, threats, evil officials in power, etc etc'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'all the problems that make people the moneys, and the powers and give them the sugars, and all the problems that never get addressed'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'vanity's bandit'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'What, to you, would be the ideal state of things? What would be the one thing that would make you 100% satisfied and you would see fit to stop talking about the way things currently are, or whatever. I mean, do you have any sort of prime goal you seek with this subject? If someone asked me what would be the most ideal state of things where I would shut up and live my life the way I wanted I'd prolly answer something like "when I'm happy." And I'm happy with pretty simple things, being a simple person.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'heat death of the universe'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'so I'm interested: What would make you happy? So happy that you wouldn't see it necessary to try to hoard followers or people that agree with you?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'cthulhu rising'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'Come on, he's obviously taking this seriously (or being a very, very successfull troll), so there's no need to make direct fun of him :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: '100 wives in paradise '
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'Sheni, that would work.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'who says i'm looking for followers?  i'm pointing out realities as they exist and as i see them, on some subjects people have alternate views, on others no views or they're scared to share their view, and on others they dissemble my words like they mean nothing, while they mean what they mean'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'actually, that wasn't a joke'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'Necro, ok, anyways, what would make you 100% happy?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Ignorance is bliss'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i can't really say, maybe nothing, i'm far beyond being satisfied with anything in life, toying with thoughts of suicide keeps me sane sometimes'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i just ride the lightning like any good damned human and wait for my trumpet to sound'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'I didn't ask if you're happy, I asked what would make you happy.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'plus every effort i make to find a place in this world is quickly turned away by bullshit, there is no place for me here'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'I'd be happy if I stayed healthy 'til about 60, got to travel a lot and experience a lot of things that I can treasure. Sounds corny as hell, but it's something a lot of people take for granted.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so who's the herald angel that harkens to the collaborative shutdown of my existance around the world?  i would have been capable of performing several tasks on earth, but bullshit keeps me from performing any of them that result in money, and thus, no money = no house = no life'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine, talking of self-harm on public channels is an attempt to murder others that are impressionably vulnerable '
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Life is hard for everyone, dont think anyone has it easy, some peoples problems are others desires. Albeit some people truely are played a worst set of cards.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'Necro, I think you're just shooting too high.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Dont think anyone with that bad of a hand, is on Aard though.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'don't tell me what my attempts are, your pretender lives in minnesota, the suicide sympathizer who drove 2 people at least to their death'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm just a very negative person'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'Lol, I'm a pessimist myself, but you don't see me ranting on an online game. or anywhere else, in fact.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'who says i'm trying to drive anybody anywhere?  i'm only discussing things that are possibly behind the horror you see on the news'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'ideologies that i've learned of, things i've considered and observed to be real'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Got to hang out in the ghetto and help out a bit. Or give it a try if you havent. Interesting to me, alot of people in the ghetto dont have alot capital goods and never will, but they do know how to find some happiness with what they got.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'you're not really "discussing" anything rather than throwing wild ideas and ambiguous phrases around, sounding like something out of a b-class psychological horror movie.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Opposed to rich people, who have everything they want, but will never find any happiness in it.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'without the mind the will is not present to perform the absence of the mind's device, with a alternative understanding the mind can judge for itself what is the proper course of action to take, if any, but if those alternatives are hidden then the mind can't consider them'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'mind over all as they say'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'And you're using the best retorts they teach in conspiracy school. "If you deny, you're a part of it."'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if you deny what the books and the media both state are real, with knowledge of both, then you obviously are'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and you're here stating that i'm using some form of accusational conspiracy theories on your persons, while i'm only discussing the possibilities'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it seems that your retort is placing me into a little inverse judgement of your own'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if you can't handle reality, then what are you doing here?  if you see a cover of lies being examined at the seams, then why do you get touchy, if you know the examination is not touching on anything?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'who would be deceived by a retard, as i judge myself to be and as you judge me to be, and what then is your motive for becoming a paladin aggressor against the enemy of the state?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'I guess I'm taking too big of a bite here. I'll admit I don't really understand a lot of the things you say, but I assure you, I'm not touchy. :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'as seen through your judgemental mind'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you gota problem with me wondering why Israel's special forces meet with the managers of every major casino in las vegas along with Homeland security once per month?  after having that discussed on my history tv channel?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i mean, special forces in money, or .. what is it exactly?  isn't money just an abstraction?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Would imagine some of the casinos are controlled/owned by middle easterners.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'Of course not. But I'm just curious with your way of spending your time. I'm sure that if you someday accomplish something like uncovering some huge coup and being a national hero, I will applaud you.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Homeland security though... thats getting a bit fishy'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or wondering why, in light of the media being used by adolf hitler and joseph stalin to propagate their ideologies among their people, along with america (1927) book perhaps britain?  wondering with use of their media in terrorist organizations to exemplify and draw thither recruits to join their militia's and mafia's, (mexican ban on american drug cartel video games for instance), hollywood wasn't mentioned as a target, silicon valley where that play the terrorist play the allied forces game comes from, discussed at length on the media - on their hit list?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'as it's proven these organizations are comprehensible of mind-control techniques en-masse, and the tools used to propagate those seeds of recruitment, and where they are located within america, having supplied heroine to new york for over a decade while funding various shady operations from afghanistan, nonetheless, unaware of how mind control operates in america?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'as they mentioned on a show i watched last night, one explosion can feed the fear of 20 million people and leave them in a state of panic and accumulated stress - i forget the name of the show but it was also on history tv'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'a black man who was gaining trust with a terrorist organization, accidentally bombs a french embassy killing 5 people in addition to 3 planted corpses'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Got greedy and created Oxycoiton, and re-invaded Afghanistan at the same time. That was deffinetely a huge money power play.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Well, extra greedy, guess they have always been greedy.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the accident was that his special ops (super top secret kind of person) didn't evacuate those 5 people first, and it weighed heavily on his conscience, but then their next strategy was to bomb several busses in america'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and he was to take part in this, with the security agencies of both  nations on the hunt for him, while he's covertly working for some military unit infiltrating the terrorists'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you know, that's more of an educational movie than a terrorist recruitment kind of movie isn't it?  i thought it was ok'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'thusly assumed, through that media propagates the join the army media that then flies over to afghanistan, played repeatedly over and over and over and over, you get my drift - this is why I think conspiracy theorists theorise things like 'inside jobs''
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Education is such a powerful tool. From Hitler burning books, to the American governtment forcing the public to learn a ton of bullshit, the average person is left without power, allowing those who have had the power to increase the gap further and further. Making the public dummer and dummer.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the terrorists seem to be utilizing the american media to feed fear and breed hostility towards their own people, which is vary unpatriotic of them, yet somehow integrating a sympathetic approach to their religion in most nations in the world, even usurping governments sovereign laws in some places, where the majority is monopolized into place'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Education in america is treated as business, and measured in profit, not in any standard of real education or free thinking.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'and measured in profit, not in any standard of real education or free thinking.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'damn lag :p'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but you see what i mean, it's a way to consider events as they can be considered, with facts and possibilities, not very prejudiced in one direction or another, but leaning towards a unresolved conclusion'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what new thing did i propose?  am i an anarchist by pointing out the news and the media?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so don't judge me'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Easier to pick at other peoples faults, then your own.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i agree though sheni that education is definitely monopolized and could be better, i read that in england for instance, having become a totally self-taught master in addition to what your 'lower-grade teacher' teaches you, in any subject, if you don't earn your degree from a specific 'upper-class' university, then your degree will be the last to land a job after having earned it, because the status quo demands that the rich people coming from universities that harbour rich people get all the jobs'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'at least Necroshine is too incompetent and incoherent to be another Adolf '
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'and Xyliz is not going to train an unethical immoral ingrate that seeks to damage society'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'If nopk were supported like first-class citizens, then there is an increased probability that pets may be extremely versatile and strong.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'ok, so im sitting here watching Dr. Oz... and they are talking about Marijuana... figured this would be a good debate discussion.. legalization vs. decriminalization vs. keeping it illegal vs. medical legalization'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tenlorn: 'vs alien vs predator'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'well we all know chuck norris wins'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'vs freddy vs jason'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"that some humans are extraordinary geniuses is an indication that God may exist after all -- In a seemingly ironic associated twist, some of those extraordinary geniuses are able to prove that God does not exist."'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'whether god exists or not cannot be proved...you either have faith or you don't'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'faith is irrelevant to the proof'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the sc-fi tvseries "the event" is crapola likely designed to ibcite USAmericans to despise black president(s)'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'xyliz do americans need any help to do so?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'incite'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'sci-fi or syfy?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'sci-fi'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"the event" storyline is badly-written -- Sophia the pacifist wuss (played by Blair Underwood) is ectremely annoying '
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i read at least one www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov article where a group of people were placed under a nerve-agent and made to witness their spouses being abused , monitoring how they took abuse on others and themselves '
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'hosted on a government website, seeing how to condition people to respond to injustice, violation, abuse and stuff through their application of  nerve agents'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Dispicable :p'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine nlm has a lot of neat articles... why do you ask'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'sheni, as long as the people volunteer, what's wrong?'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they claimed the participants were voluntary civilians, and not military personel, MK-Ultra doesn't sound so far fetched when considered in tandem with current 'scientific government studies''
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"despicable"'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Dispicable works too :p '
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Sheni, nope, the dictionry does not support your wrongness'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'dictionary'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Ya, but it works. Dont think anyone was confused to what I was saying.'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'In a scrabble tournament... use the dictionary... on a fantasy MuD... meh'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'sheni i find that some dictionaries claim ' meh' came from the alien invader on the simpsons cartoon'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'nope, "dispicable" (if that were an official word) conveys a different meaning to "despicable".  dis- is not des- where -picable is concerned'
T3/r3/2011-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'mi dispiace?'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ah cool, i didn't know that george bush had called the global war on terror a crusade in a speech'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'on september 16,2001 apparently'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Crusaders !!'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Think it must be a qualification to be a religous nut, in order to run a country.'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i dunno, it kind of reminds me of my hatred for the musical band ' the cure ''
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'do you think if i were to visit the beqaa valley, i would end up on a no fly list? , en.wikipedia.org/Beqaa_Valley'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'never heard of it'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dext: 'Beyond Boundaries, The New Nueroscience of Connecting Brains & Machines....'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dext: 'how ya'll think it will change our lives?'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'prolly exp faster'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dext: 'what ya think the ticks are gonna get down to, say, in wall-street//markets in general?'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dext: 'think it will get to the point in the next ten years we can be like Neo in The Matrix & say 'I know kung-fooey!''
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Negative :p'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Anything with any bit of power, the gov'ts will hoard and not let the public have ^^'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Power in the peoples hands is a scary thought to them.'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dext: 'get's into greyish gooey areas'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dext: 'tho from the wisdon of Yoda, fear leads to ........'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'democrats are supporting a KKK leader somewhere for mayor...'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'isn't the KKK fragmented into 1000 small groups, ranging from neo-nazis to anti-racist white pride? :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straxxus: 'they are as much idiots as dems and repubs'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Just as any other group is :)'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or maybe white pride is racist by definition'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they've gotten back together again, actually.  One of the side effects of a War on Terror.'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straxxus: 'i believe ppl should have the right to have pride in anyhting they wish, i could ytake pride in a big dump if i want'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Gotten much stronger now, true - they've found another group to focus hate against instead of internal politics'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straxxus: 'and if a black man is proud he is black, more power to him, same as the white flooew'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'now real news would be democrats (or republicans..) supporting someone willing to deal with the serious problems'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straxxus: 'and willing to forgo corp sponsorships'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Not going to happen anytime soon :('
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada points at Straxxus and yells 'EEEEEEEEEK!'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straxxus: 'both sides get boatloads of cash from the same damn companies regardless'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straxxus: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Unfortunately - it's why you don't see much tort law in the news, but just petty shit about Google's doings'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'some unions also provide money for campaigns, I understand'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straxxus: 'yeah, tort reform is a joke'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Anyone's allowed to give money - the question is how much'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'we can sell you a copy of the Norwegian legal system for, say 1trn'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the companies get it from Mexico, Mexico gets it from the cartels, the cartels get it from the fields in SAm, and somewhere along the way it washes up in a tiny village in Nicaragua.'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straxxus: 'give me particle physics and let me hide in my lab anyday'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'I only found out recently that most of my (very definitely liberal) school's science funding is provided by the DoD :('
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straxxus: 'and dont let funding from the DoE fool you, its just camoflauged DoD money lol'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Well, put that way, sure - but didn't realize that my AI prof was doing research for cloud-based attack drones :('
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Straxxus looks for black helicopters out his window.
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straxxus: 'hahah'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straxxus: 'a man has to prepare for retirement somehow'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'He's a really good guy, too'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'But money is money, and while researchers think it's "pure research," some bastards in Washington are exploiting them'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'with all of this science into holographic sensational devices being underway in several area's of the world, and liquid metal ipods/cell phones interconnecting everywhere, along with the nanotube bodyarmour and things such as this, does it appear to you that humanity is attempting to put on the matrix, the borg, an exoskeleton and become the fiction stories of the 1700's-1960's-current day?'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i can see where alot of fiction authors can get their inspiration from in reality, and then draw a seemingly implausible design from it which is in actuality a method that is possibly real'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'happening behind the scenes i mean, most people don't observe the realities cause only people with masters degrees in science area's have time or mind to search the proper archives, it's sure interesting to consider the contrast though isn't it?  h r gigers fictional pictures can be seen to be real in consideration of metaphorical abstract art, contrasted to reality, he invented the platform for the movie alien along with most of the set'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zomfg Zoranth: 'wtf mate'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i seen one history documentary discoursing on man's trip to a distant planet orbiting a star in estimated proximity as our planet to our sun, using time-capsules to preserve the fliers along with the multi-thousand year journey perhaps , but to reroute funding into the project, that was something they discussed the difficulty of'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'along with blowing holes in the moon in search for water with rockets, and appearing on al jazeera website as a 'sign from allah' is the moon's smaller or larger appearance in the sky near these same events (two rockets were fired at the moon to examine the debris through particle detecting telescopes), contrasted to how much the people who are funded through the oil industry really care about freshwater'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yep, something beyond idle hallucinations is intertwined here in this grain of salt'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'What's a good program to learn speedtyping Necroshine?'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'playing aardwolf with no scripts :P'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'ebb and flow of the ocean connected possibly to the moon in some subtle ways'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'pretty large ignorant prescription isn't it?'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zomfg Zoranth: 'no more acid for you'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if man dreamed up the words in the books themself, or at some point in time altered those books words due to their own misconceptions and/or disbeliefs to control the minds of people and taught their version of human controllable doctrine into the people's generations over enough time - then able to fulfill these little miracles and sustain faith through signs in these subtle ways - eunarchist'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Necro, you on lucid? I feel like you really know what you want to say but it gets lost in the expression :('
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it seems they're mostly linked to destruction in one form or another , any religious symbology'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's not really a simple way to put it because i put it so simply, i'm discussing theoretical monopolies of the mind'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'in the movie legion , michael and gabriel are equipped with terminator-2 like metalloid wings and weaponry - the possessed playing their parts maybe more accordantly - but consider the great 'king' some invention of man encasing the inner body of a human and his translation or ideology of the bible or take another king for instance or deity and his signs, this is dealing with one plagiaristic philanthropical view of the enlightened, as they see may see things alot like me and consider how to integrate their man-made mind-bars (faith exploited within human reigns through symbological signs) sarcasm intended'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'now we have the liquid metal terminator jesus descending from heaven or something akin to that'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'both are based off of egyptian roots, if the inclusion of the old as well as the new is included in the other spreading and driving doctrine across the world, and may have integrated several components of other enlightened peoples to satisfy the inquisitive with obvious forms of tranquility'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'this is skepticism , i think, with a little craziness, some conspiracy theory, some science, fact and possibility all ingrained into one'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Where was the skepticism? I think I missed it...'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'because i question and don't assert to be factually real, seeing things as they possibly are instead of forcing a view into anybody's mind which they would not consider, i pointed out pieces, human nature, historical fact, current tradition, the state of society, enigmatic entertainment and other things, and how they could all be linked to human cruelty'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or dictatorshit as sepultura puts it'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Now that was a clear sentence, thanks for that'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Now let me try and put all your other statements into context'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if you were aware that something is a lie, yet your place in society is reliant upon that lie being hidden from the people who hold you up, would you enlighten them?  it's up to people to consider what is true and what is not'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.  (Jude 9)'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine is attempting to imitate the disjointed topic-hopping incoherent babble speech of classical full-blown schizophrenia'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'aka A rich Jew named michael representing the brainwash cult was contending with a inquisitive fellow who was curious as to where the corpse of moses was, and resorted to .. Lord rebukings'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's how I think anton lavey seen things such as this verse, thus coming up with the 'satanic term' 'hail thyself, hail satan''
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'because in this context, the devil may be a person asking a skeptic question, while the ignorant michael (or not so ignorant knowing better) dubbed him such'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'those full-blown schizophrenics in the same sentence hop disjointedly through several fragments of loosely-connected topics'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how exactly is asking where moses' corpse is making a supernatural eternal entity a liar?'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Anton LaVey was not incoherent in his crappy books'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or, how does it make a person a liar or a killer?'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'was god named yhwh while moses was pronouncing his sentence on pharoah?'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'where are the roots of the word god i baphomet?'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the attempted use of multiple false premises adds to the incoherence since any inferences or attempted conclusions from those dubious premises are bogus'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how come these questions are only asked by me?'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't see them answered anywhere'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'those pyramids are about as false as not having ever seen them beyond a photograph'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there is one imprinted on the dollar bill though'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yes, all science is based upon taking somebody elses word for it'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'especially the science of uncovering lies, that is very reliant on trust that the people in question are true'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Uncovering the fact that the pyramids exist is not exactly a matter of science, rather a matter of buying an airplane ticket'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but i need a pile of pyramids first'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'This is true'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Quite a pile'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'certainly not believing the corrupted words of an incoherent rapid-topic-hopping wannabe schizophrenic imitator'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'why would i pay attention to irrelevant details and delve into the infinity of thought regarding a certain topic when i'm discussing how the topics coagulate to form a focal point'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'I doubt liquidmetal will play a significant part of our future - more immediate topics like oil come into mind, and the production of it'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'hollow earth society and the subgenious'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Your reach is sometimes too far in your quest for synthesis'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'people , since people existed, have lived without automobiles, and even with alternative fuels and balancing acts neglected, find no other way but to destroy the world for oil'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and other volatile and limited resources of stupidity'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but they can fly to egypt to see the pyramids if they like, with the stack of pyramids they collect as a ransom for the infested corpse of the world they left behind'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Well, unfortunately, you also are contributing to an oil-dependent world simply by using a computer and the internet :('
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz is not looking at what you are incoherently saying anymore, but looking at how you are wrecking grammar to be incoherent (and noting the similarity to the speech symptoms of classical hebephrenic schizophrenics)
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'nah, my computer can be fuelled by a windmill and along with my isp's computers'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and no matter how many homes turn off their lights at 8 o'clock, there's still the fact that they use lasers which consume more than twice as much energy as the entire american power grid at one invocation, in their scientific inquisitions'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and most of that power grid is un-neccessarily used energy, with all of the neglected architectural designs of their manufacturing facilities and supermarkets and shit like that, filling up the little electric holes that keep them running'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and bad microchip design is also a factor, but who can question intel?  maybe the shining'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they all plug into the electrical grid and monopolize it to death'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'better a schizophrenic than a megalomaniac, and better either than both'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe i hear your thoughts like a grape listening to mozart, or a weed communing with a monsanto rape seed'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '80% of the populace are somewhat schizophrenic and 20% are somewhat psychopathic -- fortunately the percentage of lunatics is extemely low'
T3/r3/2011-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'judge not lest ye be judged yourself, which jug do you fit in?'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, bashdoor, pass door, knock and pick lock are all related.'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis! Don't start arguing with me!'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'actually, bashdoor = pick and knock = passdoor'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I said they were related :) In the sense that they are subject to the same restrictions.'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no they're not'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fuzzy Madcatz: 'So, my local high school decided to fake a student's death (in front of the students) to teach them about drugs.'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fuzzy Madcatz: 'Had the paramedics come in, pronounce them dead, and take them out on a stretcher and everything'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fuzzy Madcatz: 'Needless to say, there's quite a few pissed students now.'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'glenn beck is to american imperialism, as joseph goebbels is to nazi germany'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Ah, they may be just as effective as each other but I believe there is a huge intelligence disparity'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'anyone find it funny obama is just now 'authorizing' (publicly) CIA ops in libya?'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quiet Nuala: 'more like sad'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Coup de Calamar: 'the people should have known all along he'd authorize SOMETHING other than just air strikes...'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'i mean, is there really any question the CIA was operating there BEFORE he 'said it on television'?'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'is it possible to wire your mind to perform a rebellious task automatically?  pre-resolved conclusions tell me yes'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Pavlov says yes'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'd like to see a document on self-hypnosis describing the process though'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Define rebellious'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if you know it'll destroy you or contradict something that you partly believe in yet see beyond, sort of like the idea of a replatic seizure, following a predetermined path of action or thought that you've predicted in light of a given situation'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'say you're given a command that you know contradicts your ordinary course of action, that you've predicted, eevn under intense duress having a snapcase in place to disuade the self from the deception'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Then preparing for a rebellion (according to your definition) is not rebellious'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah, not many people could follow that, but it's something i consider, when they talk about hypnosis and brainwashing people, how could people defend against that?'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonbuy: 'rebellion is only rebellious in the third person'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Change your definition of rebellion, and yes, it's possible'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'And what Moonbuy said'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'taking back control, i was here before at some point, something has gone terribly wrong i think, illusions aside, the safeguard provides a recourse'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'Cujo versus rabies'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'cujo loses, else he wouldn't be foaming at the mouth.'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah, but is it possible that the enlightened cujo could have resisted the deterioration of itself to that stage?  did it require some effort on its part to give into the disease (which is hidden) like lazy thinking, this is the easiest way to go'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'without a way to communicate, and without opposable thumbs, he's a goner.'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'never heard of an immunization shot for rabies'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'except for a bullet, they do have some needle they stab into your ass if you're bitten by a rabid animal'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabies_vaccine'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Has to be applied really early on - otherwise almost 100% fatal'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they use a dead virus alot like the guy who invented the polio vaccine'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's interesting'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i know one woman who was bitten by a rabid skunk as a girl, after that bite took place and teh rabies started to flow through her, they were able to destroy the disease with that needle'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Hasn't gotten to the brain yet'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'polio vaccination is pretty standard practice across the globe, if that (observe survivors of polio) affects the neurotic tissues of the brain in some way, then why aren't these others guarded against in a similar way?'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'chances of contracting rabies is low, but they can occur, contagion would happen through saliva and blood i guess'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'in brazil for instance, is reports of children dying of rabies from bats, which survive on without dying from rabies'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Probably because the immune system has no automatic stereospecific antibody for rabies'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: ''stereospecific' may not be an apt word these days'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'You've told me twice I'm using words ineptly, but I have no idea why'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Sterospecificity is a correct biological term'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'google's dictionary resources have neither!'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'stereo implies duality and specific a focal point'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what's the german word for it?'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'I have no idea what the german word for it is - and the fact that google's dictionary doesn't have a word doesn't bother me any'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'But if you actually look it up on google, or even wikipedia, it'll give you a better definition than I could'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"stereo-" connotes solid, stiff'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i see it there'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Not at all'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Unless yall are ubertrolling me, stereo is "dual," like necro said above'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'The "specific" is to mean distinct'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Thus stereospecific means "two distinct items that are made for each other" or something like that'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'DNA strands, for example'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Neurons'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Antibodies'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'antibody of the disease, that word is always confusing isn't it?'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'antimatter on a biological level'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'And oh yes, basic particles'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"stereo" is short for "stereotype" (from printing) which later became a colloquial "stereotype" term, (which with stereophonic) was degenerated to mean "dual" '
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Probably true, but using word roots out of context proves nothing'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'sounded llke you were doing a "necroshine" - picking out words from a word-jumble and sticking them in somewhere with no regard for aptness'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"stereospecific" is not even in a cheap dictionary'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Nope - if you google stereospecificity in antibodies, you'll get a few results; not as many as I hoped, but it's definitely not wrong'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i seen that they have methods to trigger the osteoplasts and osteoglasts into action through medication, they state that bone density of people while in orbid (astronauts) decreases 3fold, and often they're left debilitated due to being in space, among other things such as asteoperosis and lupus (which is may impossible to authoritatively diagnose given that any particular patient's symptoms vary drastically, immune system disorder)'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Because it's used as a chemistry term'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'I never said it passed into common vocabulary'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and there was one american medication that has proven to stimulate bone growth, maybe without knowledge of these triggers'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i read this on that .gov health science research site anyways'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how for instance, could the polio vaccination (my grandma had polio around 1947) later vaccinated, later diagnosed with lupus repeatedly, rheumatoid arthritis and osteoporosis'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Lots of stuff on quinine - you can also google stereospecificity of DNA and you'll find some NCBI, NIH stuff'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'affect the possibility of developing these other diseases later in lfie?'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i asked my grandma to ask her doctor about this american medicine, but it wasn't available in canada'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'is Necroshine hinting tha "polio vaccinations" may be responsible for other diseases later in lfie'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'I have no idea'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'On the other hand, overuse of penicillin has caused us many pains'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'just saying it's possible, like you see on the rabies page that any syrum that affects in any way the brain chemistry can develop unseen complications later on in life, which is why pets are antibodied but not humans'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'penicillin's like the mould that grows on cheese iirc'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'where the original source of polio was from, and since it's not plaguing the world today, what the neccessity of a vaccination is, in consideration of the possible complications that can result'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'millions of people died from it, maybe billions, affected even if they managed to survive'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe it has to do with biological warfare, but that would be in the realm of conspiracy theory'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'It's called natural selection'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'why couldn't, similar to the rabies vaccination, people be administered the antibody of the disease after they are showing symptoms or in contact with a case?'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'I've already told you - if humans cannot biologically learn from the vaccine, the vaccine is of no help'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and why would the canadian government turn away a (it's good for your libido, not celexia) possible benefactor to people suffering from osteoporosis, or not fund the osteoplast/osteoblast research needed to develope strong medications that counteract the deterioration - from itself?'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'my grandmother at some points in time was on medications that if exposed to sunlight could explode, nuclear, and if their skin was touched by the saliva of a baby (because of vaccinations to these diseases) result in her death, while taking them'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'with this in mind, i question where their absence of these other peculiar drugs and scientific studies are coming from'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'politicians are becoming more corrupt as they seek to improve their business opportunities and liasons'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'What Xyliz said - it probably wasn't profitable for pharmacies to import whatever the drug was at that point'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'sure, it has to be felt though, how to resist a disease, as i originally asked with hypnosis in mind, how to consciously or subconsciously resist being destroyed by an unknown enemy'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Psycho/neurological resistance and biological resistance are two different things'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'not many people are mindful of all of this, but some are'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'a scientist isn't a scientist unless he pursues science without thought for money, and a doctor isn't a doctor unless he pursues diseases like a lawyer'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'The fact is that people need to eat and a place to live'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'would you not build a house for a man who heals you and your family?'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'That's why we have churches'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'how many houses have you built for people?'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i can repair my own, i need to have money or muscle to join a contractor'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so you would not build a house for someone who healed you or your family...thanks for clarifying that'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'You could always volunteer for Habitat for Humanity.  '
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'You don't need contracters to build houses - they only provide the labor and know-how, both of which you can get over the long term'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's interesting, and money is the volunteer basis for this hinderance'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'me and my cousin performed a 2 week long siding and shingling job in approximately 5 days'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then it wasn't a 2 week long siding and shingling job'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'working too fast or too slow to keep the pace of money in flow, but that wasn't an issue, we just wanted the job to be over and done correctly'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the pace of money'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if we hired some contractor to do the job, it would have amounted to around 6000 dollars'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'If you think that most people regulate the workpace to get paid, you've had some shitty contractors'
T3/r3/2011-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'not including materials'
T3/r3/2011-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'April 01 2011 !!!'
T3/r3/2011-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DuneStar: 'i got a gr8 debate idea'
T3/r3/2011-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada lives in fear of DuneStar.
T3/r3/2011-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Yourmom?'
T3/r3/2011-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'keeping the penny and doing away with the dollar bill?'
T3/r3/2011-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'people would be alot stronger'
T3/r3/2011-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Entopee snickers softly.
T3/r3/2011-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DuneStar: 'if u like a gal bt she doesnt only as a friend what do u do'
T3/r3/2011-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'That's not a debate question'
T3/r3/2011-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'WHAT DO /b/?'
T3/r3/2011-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DuneStar: 'it is debate wich is better telling her or not'
T3/r3/2011-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'grow a pair and just do it what happens will happen regardless'
T3/r3/2011-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Do as Morinon tells you and take a visit to /b/ - they'll set you straight'
T3/r3/2011-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon nods at Entopee.
T3/r3/2011-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Also, say that you'll do what the first person to get double digits at the end posts.'
T3/r3/2011-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'But you have to delivar'
T3/r3/2011-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Also, for your pic, find a mutilated cat. They love those.'
T3/r3/2011-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'And everything will come out roses.'
T3/r3/2011-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DuneStar: 'anyone who isnt a moron please answer'
T3/r3/2011-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Oh, we're not morons. We just think you are.'
T3/r3/2011-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'If this is about you, it's completely situational - if it's not, then it's just a bad question'
T3/r3/2011-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'If you want serious advice, let your balls drop.'
T3/r3/2011-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DuneStar: 'ive got an iq of 234'
T3/r3/2011-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Maybe on a scale that gives me 300.'
T3/r3/2011-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Well that's awesome, but if girls don't like you, well, guess that IQ's not going anywhere'
T3/r3/2011-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'If you were really that smart, you wouldn't be asking advice ON THE INTERNET for something you should MAKE UP YOUR OWN DAMN MIND ABOUT.'
T3/r3/2011-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'http://article.wn.com/view/2011/01/08/Cleanedup_Twain_classics_spark_outrage/ and http://views.washingtonpost.com/post-user-polls/2011/01/should-literary-classics-be-rewritten-to-make-modern-audiences-more-comfortable.html'
T3/r3/2011-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'ark Twain wrote that "the difference between the almost right word and the right word is really a large matter." A new edition of "Adventures of Huckleberry Finn" and "Tom Sawyer" will try to find out if that holds true by replacing the N-word with "slave" in an effort not to offend readers'
T3/r3/2011-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'Mark*'
T3/r3/2011-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'thing is , from my memory of both stories, the protagonists in the story weren't racist people, and to be fair, while mark twain was still around, racial slurs such as that existed'
T3/r3/2011-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'by using the word slave, are the protagonists going to appear as bad guys now?'
T3/r3/2011-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and how many times in a session of watching MTV will you hear the N-word coming from a african-american's mouth?'
T3/r3/2011-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it seems to be standard rap practices, why do they criticize the past and ignore the current?'
T3/r3/2011-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ullin: 'who are the morons paying for the new version?'
T3/r3/2011-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'tax payers i guess, i haven't read the court case, but i imagine it's available somewhere'
T3/r3/2011-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'use of the word "slave" (is inaccurate and) is far more offensive than the use of the word "nigger"'
T3/r3/2011-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ullin: 'I think negro is used in the book'
T3/r3/2011-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's possible ullin'
T3/r3/2011-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i haven't read it in over a decade'
T3/r3/2011-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe the movie version i remember more clearly'
T3/r3/2011-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ullin: 'me too, but I don't think nigger was a literary word'
T3/r3/2011-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'Corporate spying goes unreported http://www.marketwatch.com/story/corporate-spying-goes-unreported-2011-04-01Commentary: More than $1 trillion lost each year to cyber crime'
T3/r3/2011-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'in other news, lol'
T3/r3/2011-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Buffy Anne: 'One of many things unreported.  Meanwhile, everyone just HAS to know who got kicked off dancing with the stars.'
T3/r3/2011-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'http://www.international.gc.ca/canadexport/articles/384740.aspx Corporate espionage: a by-product of todays global economy'
T3/r3/2011-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Buffy Anne: 'Soon to be global pile of burning money to stay warm. :b'
T3/r3/2011-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah :/'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'when the US-Americans are online, you are unlikely to be helped as much.  But when Canadians are online, you are more likely to be assisted (in socialist countries, the folk are friendlier, and less likely to rob you, unless they were corrupted by associating wih US-Americans) {evil grin}.  Discuss'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'since usa and canada are in the same timezones, it doesn't make sense in the first place'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'too bad the US-americans and canadians share the same timezones ;-)'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Damacius, an experienced audiophile with decent hearing is able to discern a vast difference of detail between analog vinyl and digital cd versions of the same original music'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'but if the music listener is hearing damaged (from loud mp3s), is brain-damaged (during childhood from digital music and lack of recorded analog music), is inexperienced and does not know what to discern, is brainwashed (by the lies of digital supporters), and never learned to appreciate the fine exquisite full detail of analog music, then that music listener is likely already "cast into the outer darkness"'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'you sound like zetsumei'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'who was also wrong, I might add'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, listening to digital music causes brain damage, newsflash'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'unsure whether the sounds of weeping wailing and gnashing of teeth are in digital to those that deceive themselves that digital is preferable to analog'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'there's lots of people who claim the frequency of the images on your television were planned in some theoretical mind-control laboratory where people were examined in their personality flaws (that were placed there) being programmed through the subliminal messenger'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'then there's those wacko's from hollywood (brittainwood) who claim the records and movies they released to be filled with demonic invocations and channeling the energies of demons through the media into peoples minds, obsessing and possessing their wills through it'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it's all very operation-mindfuck 1984 type of stuff though'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'And then there's Xyliz, who makes those people seem reasonable.'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Fact!: a growing child listening only to digital music is likely to be less intelligent in audio appreciation than a growing child listening only to decent analog music'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'citation needed'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Really? Show me the study.'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'amusingly ironic, Majic. :P'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'fact!: Prepending "Fact!" before nonsense doesn't change it from being nonsense'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Felt: 'fact! lolpoop'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Fact: putting 'Fact:' before a statement makes you look like a douche, or at least like you're mocking one.'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'why is that, dokkar? :P'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'explanation: Analog music supplies subtle stereo information.  Digital music supplies artificial and corrupted stereo disinformation'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'last time he was active on debate, he was the one demanding citations.'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'haha :D'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'xyliz, you are still listing no sources to back up your argument. your reasoning is circular and illogical.'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'response: that is not the same as empirical evidence. Tests or GTFO'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz is the source
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'your source is crap then.'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: ''because I said so' is not a source'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'I do not find that a reliable source.'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stutz: 'Fact!: My butt is like an about to explode bratworst.'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'In fact, I find it a less reliable source than Necroshine.'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'you heard much of what Xyliz stated here first'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Xyliz: I can hear bullshit anywhere I want.'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i was reading through THE LEGEND OF HERU-BEHUTET AND THE WINGED DISK http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/leg/leg07.htm from touregypt.net (which didn't come up on google) and noticed a few metaphorical similarities to the landmarks discussed in the legend to things such as the location of the florida everglades/keys, the mouth of the river with mystic island, mason island and other things'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I think the proper phrase you're looking for, Morinon, is "have to" instead of "can.'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i wonder if the naming conventions of these american landmarks weren't somehow relatively linked to things like this story, or if the translators of this story had those in mind while writing the translations'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Dokkar: I don't have to. There's a nice new command that's been added to your legs. It's called 'walk away'.'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if i'm not mistaken, this here could be 'the land of the dead' discussed there'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'Or 'put your fingers in your ears''
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and canada the land called Hat'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'how did uncle same get his hat anyways?  famous cartoonist versed in egyptian lore?'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'uh ... why would you go to the most bizarre conclusion possible when you've got a far more simple answer'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'top hats were rather posh iirc when he was invented'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Indeed. And if the Victorians took it from an obsession with egyptology...'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'supposedly lots of pillaged artifacts and stuff from egypt lying around the world, with body parts and 'feared statues''
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'never know how much of that came into the american ports'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'if you disagree, attempt to refute the logic presented by Xyliz -- likely you shall fail'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'Xyliz hasn't presented logic'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'When you present some logic, perhaps people will attempt to refute it.'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'cause eternal things deserve consideration when considering how many mortal lives were sent to war under a certain poster or banter'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and referring to yourself in the third person doesn't help'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'or older things that might linger on newer minds'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Xyliz, you have yet to even provide good rhetoric, let alone logic.'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: ''relatively eternal' even, outliving those who followed it or existed in tangent with it's conceiver'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'Additionally, showing that it causes any form of brain-damage requires a study. What you have put forward is a conjecture.'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Anything approaching logic you provide is put upon baseless and faulty assumptions, so even if you WERE using logic, starting from false assumptions=false results.'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Majic nods at Morinon.
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Garbage in, garbage out.'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'And circular logic also results in crap.'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'randal flagg hare'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Analog music supplies subtle stereo information that is not present in digital music <--- attempt to refute that'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: '???????????? ?????? (Ordinary fascism) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsjzJcYanig ? = not recognized by google translate'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'Again, you need to cite a source other than yourself if you are attempting to prove anything.'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'I debate your definition of 'information'.'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'I also debate you sources.'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'As your only source is yourself.'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'You don't even have the luxury of claiming to be an authority.'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'All you have is baseless conjecture.'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'And baseless assumptions about the human mind.'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: '(film maker Mikhail Romm), 1965'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'You show me a single study with even inconclusive results, and I might pay attention with anything other than derision.'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'This isn't ancient greece, we need empiricism, not rhetoric and philosophical arguments.'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fiendish plucks a chicken.
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'I'm not the pheasant plucker, I'm the pheasant plucker's son'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'I'm only plucking pheasants 'til the pheasant plucker comes.'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'things like this make me wish i knew russian, it'd be interesting to hear what he's saying'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Necro:which is this?'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'without looking for outside sources which are currently absent,  attempt to refute the statement that "analog stereo supplies more stereo information processable by the human mind than digital music does" '
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'why doesn't google translate understand russian?'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsjzJcYanig 1965 documentary by a russian man who was born in 1901'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'OK, the refute is "Analog stereo does not supply any more stereo information processable by the human mind than digital music does"'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'called (Ordinary fascism) '
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'refute that :-)'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'You are the one making the assertion. That means that it is up to you to provide the proof.'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'This has gone into science, not mere rhetorical debate, Abelinc.'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'WE WANT EMPIRICISM.'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'there we go, works now'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'stereo infornation from analog is mostly discarded by the lossy digitisation to CD digital'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'If I assert that fairies live in my garden, and then challenge you to prove it, it is unlikely that you will be able to specifically refute it. However, it is unlikely that fairies live in my garden, regardless of how vehemently I assert it.'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: '"Well, of course, is - are people too! Rather, they think they're people!"  Directed by Mikhail Romm'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'err, challenge you to prove that they do not. :P'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'if you are debating falsely merely to not lose an argument, then you are likely to lose wisdom'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'Film is about all *ism's (i.e. communism, fascism, totalitarism ...), about all shit that makes people behave like herd'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'You are failing at winning an argument, because you are failing to provide any proof or source for your arguments other than your own pseudo-logic.'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Xyliz... You don't even have an argument that would stand up in a kangaroo court.'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'Film? is actual and for now in Belarus Here real speech of belarusian dictator Lukashenko about Hiltler youtube.com/watch?v=UjuMFHg8SF-8 And here what happens in Belarus now youtube.com/watch?v=HzuKnDmosF-U'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'Nobody else is losing, because as yet an argument doesn't exist, merely baseless assertions.'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the logic in the statements by Xyliz is sufficient source'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'It is not.'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'man, that's a little creepy, but i guess it's how it is unless it's not'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the challenge to refute the logic in the statements by Xyliz is sufficient source'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'You are not using logic, you are merely stating things without proof.'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Xyliz, what you are saying is 'prove me wrong, /b/'.'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'If you used some logic, people might refute it.'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Which, while it can be an effective trolling tactic on 4chan, is not here.'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'unless those that debate attempt to climb up a Wittgenstein ladder to a new plateau seemingly situated leading into air, they are likely unably to reach the new solid ground '
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'unable'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/rational-discussion-flowchart/'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Xyliz, now you're just making shit up.'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'a not uncommon problem'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'composted compost is often good earth'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Morinon pats Xyliz on her head.
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'Xyliz made a statement I agree with :-)'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'But bullshit is still bullshit.'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not relevant in the least, but I'll agree with it'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'People die when they are killed.'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Jhav: an insightful remark.'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I know, right? :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'That needs exclamation marks.'
T3/r3/2011-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Bored'
T3/r3/2011-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'vampires are people too'
T3/r3/2011-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'My shrimp is too hot to eat still, someone say something controversial'
T3/r3/2011-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Anne snickers softly.
T3/r3/2011-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'So it's been a while since we had a big serial killing case.  Anyone know if they got a nickname for this guy in NYC yet that kills the hos by the beaches?'
T3/r3/2011-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'really? beach hos?'
T3/r3/2011-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'probably something like the fields of dismembered bodies of raped for 6+ day civilian women just south of el paso'
T3/r3/2011-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Well they are all like prostitutes from craig's list aren't they?'
T3/r3/2011-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'craigslist killer is already taken'
T3/r3/2011-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'or like mister escobar kicking his tied up victim into a swimming pool so his patrons could watch the drowning'
T3/r3/2011-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'I never liked that nickname anyway'
T3/r3/2011-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'social engineering tactics, and obscurity in numbers, with corrupt police and officials of 'laws' all over the place'
T3/r3/2011-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the bigger threat is in afghanistan, cause they said so'
T3/r3/2011-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'They don't have to socially engineer anyone now since apparently no one cares the economy is gonna collapse, lol.'
T3/r3/2011-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'I guess their job is done'
T3/r3/2011-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the us military unable to clean up between its own coasts'
T3/r3/2011-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but knows what's best for across the sea, conveniently located adjacent to israel'
T3/r3/2011-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'they are systematically changing every pro-israeli government, just a matter of time'
T3/r3/2011-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'pay your taxes for the cops who serve and protect and take bribes'
T3/r3/2011-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i don't want to see any holocaust, i think the islamic extremists are all for it though'
T3/r3/2011-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Middle of May should be fun times, 3rd palestinian uprising, the radical left + radical islam's love boat coming to israel, the SEIU's jackass plan to crash the stock market....what else, I'm sure there was a 4th thing in may.'
T3/r3/2011-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'here's a russian video discussing socialism and fascism : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsjzJcYanig i can't speak the language but they have a clip of the book mein kampf being laboriously engineered'
T3/r3/2011-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'guy born in 1901, video from 1965, roosevelt speach discussing that book when he was in office'
T3/r3/2011-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'FDR "The Fala Speech" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gztvtSyTdY'
T3/r3/2011-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'had a university article of a speech of Lenin from around 1917 where the red guards is quoted as saying 'though i believe in god, and jesus - i believe the church works for the Czar''
T3/r3/2011-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but it's pretty hard to find now'
T3/r3/2011-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Probably because of some corrupt ass priests.'
T3/r3/2011-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'can you see any similarity between how people take orders when they think they come from god and the way a dictator would use that to his strategy game?'
T3/r3/2011-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'No pun intended.'
T3/r3/2011-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'I think if people are 'taking orders' from a deity in the vein of taking orders from a ruler of some land, they are psychotic.'
T3/r3/2011-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cide: 'over time everything becomes corrupt'
T3/r3/2011-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'I disagree, but that's a long conversation and I have like 2 minutes. haha :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anhur used by the roman's (the foreign god of war, who usurped the 'theoretical perspectives and over time obscurities' of other egyptian deities' and send people into glorified warfare, where dying is being set free!  '
T3/r3/2011-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Same psychology used to create Islamic martyrs.'
T3/r3/2011-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'see any similarities between the behaviour patterns?  how does the islamic extremist fascism of iran's government (as perceived through the eyes of many through the media) being affected in any way by the word of the vatican, make sense if they don't have some hidden strings connecting them?'
T3/r3/2011-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'or cuba, where they shoot down airplanes who drop democracy pamphlets, according to reports'
T3/r3/2011-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'I don't think Ahmidenijad gives a rat fuck what the vatican says or does.  I think he's only got 1 goal and 1 purpose and he's stated it clearly several times for the world, sometimes accidentally.'
T3/r3/2011-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'vatican is located in rome, just saying, if you look at remarkable figures from that era there are inclinative links'
T3/r3/2011-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Alas, I must go get ready for work. :b'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'nothing'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cide: 'i dissagree'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIT_Cog_project One motivation for making humanoid robots can be understood in the book Philosophy in the Flesh by Mark Johnson and George Lakoff. They argue that the contents of human thoughts are to some degree dependent on the physical structure of our brains. By constructing artificial intelligence systems that have structural features similar to those of humans, we may be more likely to achieve human-like functionality.'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'read that last line carefully - we may be more likely to achieve human-like functionality'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the philosophy in the flesh written by a ai program?'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'rofl, how can people let people do that?'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'not everyone fears AI'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they make doctor frankenstein look like a saint'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'until it becomes their master'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'dr. frankenstein was a myth :P'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cide: 'i dont like the idea of Ai for the simple fact that it puts more people out of work :('
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'maybe that's just the next step in the evolution of life'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'that's one of several realities'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'pretend creatures are the next stage of evolution?'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'or are you saying there's something external to you that is magnified through your machine?'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'well, _I_ don't have any such machine'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i can make a machine to do just what i want it to do, and then all the signs i look for will be there and future robots won't be able to notice that they're all fake'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i prefer the natural form of life / that created by humans'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'Once upon a time there were dinosaurs, and the dinosaurs developed in such a way that made their inability to keep themselves as the ruling set of species'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'are you saying dinosaurs invented humans?'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'no'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'ddummy'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cide: 'they didnt?'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'i'm saying that dinosaurs were doomed to no longer be dominant'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'show me a skeleton that proves humans and dinosaurs didn't co-exist'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'because of how they 'evolved' or 'developed''
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'there's intelligence beyond the human cranium'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i don't believe in atheism'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cide: 'im pretty sure if humans and dinosaurs co-existed we would have died out too'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'so, humans, perhaps in their hubris, short-sightedness, and sloth, will doom themselves to becoming subservient to something else that gets a leg up'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'like being born into a human-slut machine under their posted birthing sites?'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'under a programmer of synthetic brainskin that claims he invented what was formed in the womb'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'well machines probably won't have 'feelings''
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'feed as ye will, and harm as ye will for they are but within your machine illusion'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'but they will have intelligence'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'of a sort'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: ''logic' you might say'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'and they will say, 'look at the pitiful humans, we are doing them a favor by breeding them, they wouldn't be able to survive on their own''
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'and they will deem it 'good''
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'to the contrary, everything society as dictated by the government put me through has been destructive of some natural element of life or another'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'a machine government might not have any empathetic ability to reason with that reality, alot like king buddha there attempting to become a beggar'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'who says they will have government?'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'who's creating them?'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'my ai friend, learn from humans that humans have governments'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'govern from 'to control'; ment as in 'mental' or mind'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'both are believed to be results of the skin, mushroomhead, illusions and consequences of physical makeup'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'in that article'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'i haven't read that article'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'if you're constantly digging, you will only find a bigger hole, try filling in the answers and you might find firmer footing'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'gotta dig until i meet the deep or at least the human's version of it that keeps the world confused'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'yes, on one hand i fear the result of inhumane intelligence, but on the other hand how do you stop people from creating their creations, whether ultimately 'bad' or 'evil' or not'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'consider yourself and your existance as a little fraction of eternal reality, which is a light, nothing else, just you and that light - then all of the variables that exist being wiped away due to being 'irrelevant' details'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'does it resemble society a little bit?'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'Keep asking questions and you'll keep having them unanswered :P'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'You and I are both subject to limits. The machine mind, as it may one day develop, will have new sets of limits, but bypass others, such as a need for oxygen to survive'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'how could you bypass the limit of nothing?  stare at it longer?'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'that's your question, you answer it'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'will the machine-god made in man's image then go on an eternal error once reaching enlightenment?'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'thus stopping all eternal 'concepts of progress' due to a programming error from a limited human mind?'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cide: 'or will they learn to build and fix such errors in themselves?'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'are you making statements or inquiries, i can't tell. maybe it's an error in your programming?'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Calamar: 'It never ceases to amaze me how meaningless the shit that Necro comes up with is...'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'human dust to plant stems, metal alloids to fuel sources and destroyed planets'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'he's one of those rammblers'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'damn rights, just like the government'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cide: 'the government is a rambler too?'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'asking a question doesn't change facts'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'so running around with questions, imo is kind of useless'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cide: 'askign questions that cant be answered by facts'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cide: 'seems useless as well'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cide: 'on a debate channel cause no one can really be right or wrong its just what you think is right or wring'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'of course, you contribution is better...'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'the goal, in my thought, is to discern pattern'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'hence the, giant lizards were once dominant, and then they weren't, humans now dominant, maybe soon they won't be, machines become dominant, they likely will fall too'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Not holding my breathe for machines to become dominant'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'machines are programs though, human's are original works of existance arising from your 'hypothetical source' believe it unintelligent, intelligent or chaotic'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'necroshine seems concerned'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they work until the gears fuck up, or the code'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Well you never know, just seems a bit far fecthed to me.'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'dna strand disintegration protocol theory doesn't hold any authority over my thinking patterns'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'people died of polio, somebody was able to reason out how to counteract the disease - machine finds a defiant reality to its database and logic gates, and hangs up forever'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'hardware and software, the body and the mind'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'people fear death and invent god concepts, not saying there isn't a real one but there are plenty of false idols, both in conception and in conception in stone'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it's always possible there's mind/all and all material reality is under it's laws'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'humans are pretty bizzare and unique, but programs and machines could become more bizzare and unique, given enough time'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the light from the sun covers this world and the body of the sun, it's above both'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the light from a star reaches this world after 20 billion light years of travel, according to science, was it slowing down at any point?'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'a tree falls in the woods...'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Deff hear it.'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: ''philosophers' will try and make you doubt it, sheni'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'i never understand why'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'so do some schools of physics, they claim that whenever they try to measure the size of an atom, the atom is apparently only in existance at the moment they measure it'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'I heard and felt a huge tree fall in the woods, was pretty intense.'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'electrons are even more hard to identify or define'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'what if, as above so below, covered in space, space covered by'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'semantics, english is imperfect, i think your programming code is running into walls'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'best shut down the database ;)'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you're under your stone's, i'm just pointing out that it's possible that they won't hide you forever'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'atheist, theist, agnostic'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'blind idiot god of chaos, order in which chaos exists, mind/matter/mind or space/matter/mind'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'lay off the pcp :P'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the matrix tube is getting dirty :o'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'or whatever you're smoking'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'name one thing that humans invented that didn't require intelligence to invent or repeat?  (medicine's for example)'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'with medicine's it appears the majority of their 'inventions' are pre-existant already and only discovered by them'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Nod, like Aloe Vera'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and antennae's of bugs'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'monkey's learned practices that scientists probably observed and then claimed patents on'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'lol, prolly.'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'actually , it's a reality cause i can't find that malaria article on sciencedaily any more, where scientists observed chimps mashing dirt and plant water together for vaccinatory consumption'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but during the 'economic depression' a new corporation in singapore sprouted a miraculous vaccine to nobel prize over'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they wouldn't report it as it is though, cause things comprehensible to the commoner's puts their 'special people' places at risk, reason to be rich'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'when's the last time you watched bug antennae's being cloned and replicated to extract a antibiotic from on tv?'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they have 1/3 of the human body patented already, through dna intellectual property rights, cause they observed a certain acid pattern first'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and according to documentary channel, 3/4 of that 1/3 patented human body box office is owned by 2-3 corporations which disbanded from a main corporation (ran by the nazi's) after ww2'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they're mainly set up in singapore from what's reported'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the bio-tech industry'
T3/r3/2011-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'sing a pore, reptile-like, no sweat'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cide: 'when buying aard weapons and such would it be better to start at higher levels and work your way down or the other way around?'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: '1945, that he knew "several villages where all the women, even the aged and girls as young as twelve, were violated daily for weeks by the Russians."  http://library.flawlesslogic.com/massrape.htm some untaught history'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'According to an AP dispatch of September 12, 1945, entitled "German- American Marriages Forbidden", the Franklin Roosevelt government instructed its soldiers that marriage with the inferior Germans was absolutely forbidden, but those having illegitimate children by German women, whose husbands and boyfriends were conveniently dead or held as prisoners or slave laborers, could count on allowance money.'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'And, according to Time magazine of September 17, 1945, the government provided these soldiers with an estimated 50 million condoms per month, and graphically instructed them as to their use. For all practical purposes, our soldiers were being told: "Teach these Germans a lesson -- and have a wonderful time!" Such were the great crusaders who brought "democracy" to Europe. '
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'According to testimony given in the United States Senate on July 17, 1945, when the colonial French troops under Eisenhower's command, presumably mostly Africans, entered the German city of Stuttgart, they herded German women into the subways and raped some two thousand of them. In Stuttgart alone, troops under Eisenhower's command raped more women in one week than troops under German command raped in all of France for four entire years. '
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'The German army's incidence of rape in all of Germany's occupied territories was even lower than that of American troops stationed on American soil! '
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'go figure'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'A prominent Jewish writer in America, Theodore Kaufman, had in 1941 written a book entitled Germany Must Perish, which advocated the extermination of all Germans by sterilization. '
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dagnir: 'it's because the nazis had something called style'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'explains a bit of how my society is in this state today'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'Secretary Morgenthau's book, Germany Is Our Problem, Harper and Brothers, 1945. You will note the use of the term "United Nations" on the front flyleaf and in the foreword by Franklin D. Roosevelt. '
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'stephen harper'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'Other books, such as Louis Nizer's What To Do With Germany, also contributed to this atmosphere of strident anti-German hatred. War propaganda and official policy combined to create an image of the German as sub-human and deserving of almost infinite punishment if not annihilation. '
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'we're taught only of something different than that aren't we?'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i wonder why they don't teach this along with the german story in schools'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'everybody wondering why life sucks so much'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'For the Americans and British, open rape was not as common as among the Soviet troops. The Soviets simply raped any female from eight years up and if a German man or woman killed a Russian soldier for anything, including rape, 50 Germans were killed for each incident, as reported in Time magazine, June 11, 1945. But for most of our boys, having that "wonderful time" depended a great deal on the "cooperation" of the German and Austrian women. From the starving and the homeless, of course, sexual "cooperation" could be bought for a few pennies or a mouthful of food. I don't think we ought to dignify this arrangement with any other than its true name of sexual slavery. '
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'An Italian survivor of American bombing states that Black American troops, stationed in Naples, were allowed by their superiors free access to poor, hungry, and humiliated Italian women. The result of this interracial rape and sexual slavery was the production of a generation of pitiable mixed-race children, a legacy of the brutal conqueror. '
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they have a nazi hunters documentary on history tv, but you don't see a allied forces red army war loot hunter documentary alongside it'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'tough guys murdering little boys who don't want to watch their mothers and sisters raped'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'Against that false claim the late Dr. Austin App proclaimed the truth: Those Allies who were "no monsters" literally raped more European women than had ever before been raped in the history of the world. They put Germany on a starvation-level diet. Under direct orders from Dwight Eisenhower, they killed more than a million German POWs. They looted 12 million people of their homes, goods, food, and even clothes and drove them from their homelands. They took one-fourth of their farmland, they took their ships and their factories and their farm implements and then told them to live by farming. '
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'who are we really seeing in those video's?'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'They abused and starved to death more German babies than there ever were Jews in Germany. They raped and debauched hundreds of thousands of German, Austrian, and Hungarian girls and women from eight to eighty. They brought to their death five times as many Germans in one year of peace as died during five years of war. Yes, yes, of course, these men of the United Nations, these men of the New World Order are no monsters. '
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'Churchill said to the Germans in January, 1945, "We Allies are no monsters. This, at least, I can say, on behalf of the United Nations, to Germany ... Peace, though based on unconditional surrender, will bring to Germany and Japan immense and immediate alleviation of suffering and agony." '
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'maybe i'm really the result of this yeah?'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'united nations looks like terrorists now, far beyond adolf hitler'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and russia just a sugar coated version of them'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'Quite apart from any ethnic or ideological considerations, World War II was a war between, on the one side, the elitists who created Communism as a way-station on the road to their New World Order; and on the other, those who opposed that New World Order. It is a tragedy of millennial proportions that America and Britain were induced to fight on the side of Communism and Communism's masters. '
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'muslim terrorists are worse than the united nations'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'hmm, do you figure they raped that many and genocided that many people, and enslaved to wipe out of the genetic pool?'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'muslim extremists seeking to spread islam are among the worst deranged humans'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'http://library.flawlesslogic.com/massrape.htm might want to keep that one handy, cross reference it and establish some untaught facts'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'perhaps read up on what the muslims did to the hindus'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the middle east has been murdering itself since before the old testament was written'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if it's accurate, they do uncover what appears to be battle bones to support those claims'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'not really much difference between those people except what belief system they adhere to'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'big difference'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a bad murderous religion eventually corrupts the gene pool of those intolerant believers'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if people are allowed to choose what they believe freely, that doesn't appear to be the case with what you read in that article, and what crimes against other religious groups are practiced in those countries is even small potatoes in comparison'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'not every muslim seems to be programmed with an inherent hatred for every non-muslim, and not every person born of the same ethnicity as most muslims are is a muslim believer, choosing some other belief instead, or staying away from religion'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it's gory, but so is a 8 year old boy being shot for standing in front of an allied rapist before his mother'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'what you are saying is mostly irrelevant -- a few exceptions do not sway the overall picture'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'looking around me and on the news i can definitely see a stark contrasting comparison to my society , my life / that of my family and what this article states'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'a jew proclaiming that everybody of germanic descent should be chemically castrated in a book, go figure'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'I can't, because people 70 years ago did some crap we didn't think they did doesn't alter my worldview unless it's a game changer.  Which it really isn't....'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'what does it add up to?'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine ... "strains out a gnat and attempts to swallow a camel"'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Go figure? You mean he had no motivation to go that far given his people were being exterminated?'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'so the media proclaims, which proudly proclaims his book '
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'maybe that was a response to their actions from adolf hitler?'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'assuming the whole thing isn't a fraud'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"penny smart pound foolish"'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'with things like this evidently in reality and most survivors not being in the administrative 'in the know' position of the war, it leaves alot of historical fact to be considered'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'May as well assume that we're all robots programmed by a skittle-shitting unicorn.  If you don't accept the evidence for the holocaust then you don't accept the evidence for anything in this reality.'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Adolf Schekelgrubber was part jewish'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'oh really, if i don't take a liars word that he's telling the truth, i'm falsifying my reality'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'as the bible states 'all men are liars and only god is true''
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Yes all men are liars, but not all men lie all the time, otherwise nothing makes sense, ever.'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'ignore the half of history that we don't want you to know and pay attention to the media we own and what we play you through it'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i don't know about that'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the bible may've lied about the biblical god'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'That's my point. lol'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'such a big rape reported by so many survivors, in their sight and not taught in russian or allied forces schools'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and genocide of german men, some soldiers some noght, who maybe some of them had nothing to do with the war at all, except being born somewhere'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'was Eisenhower jewish, sounds jewisah'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'continual rape for maybe since then to today'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'starvation and poverty, how come that guy there's so liked and rich and that one there's scorned?'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'explaining some of the society around me'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Maybe this, maybe that.  Going down roads with little evidene and mostly conjecture leads to evil by inaction and apathy.'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'evidence*'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i'm good at fishing in the dark'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'be surprised what you'll find by just looking inside and drawing conclusions, weighting them against alternatives and consideration of all of these factors, such as the harp'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sum_of_All_Fears_(film) here's a hollywood russia versus america film i watched recently, where the antagonist is villainised a ex-nazi billionairre seeking revenge on america and russia by getting them to destroy eachother'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'I've seen it and read the book, it's Clancy.'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i wonder what the crowd would think if they did a zoom in on him witnessing his family being raped and slaughtered before making these later decisions, not seeing the problem ever even addressed'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'seems he's not considering all of the realities in his ficional stories'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if these sources are true'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'If'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'And if they are, do you think you're gonna change the world and get the billions of people who don't buy it to convert?'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'course not, and i doubt they'd let that farmer become a billionairre in the first place'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/07/2009730144528171394.html Gaza kids 'hit kite-flying record' "The record is about 710, that was set in Germany in 2008," our correspondent said, adding that organisers said they believed they had the numbers to shatter that figure. "The adjudicator who would normally come, was not able to come to Gaza because it is unsafe. But it's ok for children here in Gaza," Ging said.'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you think they want their kids to live like that and are that unresponsible?  even assuming that's a bit shady to me'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'The book was most notably used by Nazi Germany as propaganda to allege that "the Jews" were plotting against the country.[2][3] In a contemporary sense, the book is utilized by those attempting to forward evidence of a conspiracy against Germany, with such arguments often pertaining to an anti-Semitic agenda. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany_Must_Perish!'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'cause and effect, isn't that what i wrote a little while back/'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'see what a unbiased opinion gets you?  more materials to consider'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'In the words of the 1945 Journal of Modern History, the book was intended to be "little more than self-indulgence in dire vituperation by a man who sees Germany as the sole cause of the world's woes."[4] The author had previously proposed that all Americans should be sterilized to prevent their children from becoming "homicidal monsters".'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'heard about a 1930 eugenics program in the usa , ~1930 in which over 60,000 american's were 'sterilized''
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/29/60minutes/main614728.shtml America's Deep, Dark Secret Bob Simon Reports On Hundreds Of Thousands Of Warehoused Kids'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'Now, a new book, The State Boys Rebellion, by Michael D'Antonio, reveals even more: A large proportion of the kids who were locked up were not retarded at all. They were simply poor, uneducated kids with no place to go, who ended up in institutions like the Fernald School in Waltham, Mass.'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'We thought for a long time that we belonged there, that we were not part of the species. We thought we were some kind of, you know, people that wasn't supposed to be born, says Boyce. '
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'hit the nail right on the head there!'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'And that was precisely the idea. The Fernald School, and others like it, was part of a popular American movement in the early 20th century called the Eugenics movement. The idea was to separate people considered to be genetically inferior from the rest of society, to prevent them from reproducing. '
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'Eugenics is usually associated with Nazi Germany, but in fact, it started in America. Not only that, it continued here long after Hitler's Germany was in ruins.'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany_Must_Perish!'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'http://library.flawlesslogic.com/massrape.htm'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'You will note the use of the term "United Nations" on the front flyleaf and in the foreword by Franklin D. Roosevelt. A prominent Jewish writer in America, Theodore Kaufman, had in 1941 written a book entitled Germany Must Perish, which advocated the extermination of all Germans by sterilization. Kaufman's book received favorable reviews in major American magazines and newspapers. '
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'The book was most notably used by Nazi Germany as propaganda to allege that "the Jews" were plotting against the country.[2][3] In a contemporary sense, the book is utilized by those attempting to forward evidence of a conspiracy against Germany, with such arguments often pertaining to an anti-Semitic agenda.'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they say that the sanction given medical ships was knowingly broken by the Allied Forces and Russian's, and in the diary of one of the nurses is found a written account of spent bullet containers being shipped back and forth on the medical ships that were , knowingly, sunk'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they weren't to have anything at all to do with warfare'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but the allied forces ignored that and broke the rule, and hitler knew about that'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and thus they were responsible for the reaction, weren't they?  alot like this here reality appears to be'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"The Protocols of the Elders of Zion"'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'reading that cures insomnia'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'since they play it off as conspiracy theory, better to stick to reality things like i'm pointing out'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I have tried several times to work my way through the protocols, but they read like the ramblings of a not very systematic madman'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and like a forewarned conclusion  it continued here long after Hitler's Germany was in ruins.''
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'at least for the past 40 years, the US has embraced dysgenics :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'At the height of the movement - in the 20s and 30s - exhibits were set up at fairs to teach people about eugenics. It was good for America, and good for the human race. That was the message. But author Michael D'Antonio says it wasn't just a movement. It was government policy. People were told, we can be rid of all disease, we can lower the crime rate, we can increase the wealth of our nation, if we only keep certain people from having babies, says DAntonio. '
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you betcha'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/29/60minutes/main614728.shtml'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'given increasing cognitive stratification, the part about classes of people having negative contribution to overall wealth appears to have been true for some time'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'although I doubt that happened before 1960'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Tinada, "rabbi" is similar sounding to "rabid" or "mad"  -- perhaps the protocols are ramblings of systematic rabbi-men'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada beams a smile at Xyliz.
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I doubt Jews had much to do with the protocols'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'there is a conjecture that the jewish Kabbalaists used sorcery and syphilus to cause Adolf to do what he did, so that Israel may happen'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'The kids at Fernald raised the vegetables that they ate. They sewed the soles on the shoes that they wore. They manufactured the brooms that they used to sweep the floor, says DAntonio, who adds that the school made sure that at least 30 percent of the kids admitted had normal or near normal intelligence.  The school needed those kids to work. You had to have somebody with a certain level of intelligence in order to run this place, says Boyce. And I can remember being out in the gardens from morning until night in the sun.'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'Almeida, however, had an unusual job, and the fruits of his labor are still there 50 years later. His job was to cut up the brains of severely retarded people who had died at Fernald. He cut them into thin slices so scientists could study them. Nothing ever came of the research, but the bits of brains are still there.'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'motherfuckers'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'inflamatory nd irrelevant'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'They're still sitting here years later, says Almeida. I mean, what was it all for?" Worse than the work, says Almeida, was the abuse he suffered from the attendants who staffed the place. It was called Red Cherry Day, and the kids would sit in a circle and be called up alphabetically.  And lucky me, my name is what? Almeida. Youd get up in front of all these kids, and you would pull down your pants, recalls Almeida. Youd pull down your underpants and theyd make you turn around and they'd whack your ass with this branch until it was red like a cherry.'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it was both an observation and a expression suitable to what i'm reading'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'and trivial'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'to what purpose are you ranting and raving - there is no direction yet'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'rabble-rouser with a direction'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'rabble-rouser without a direction  '
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'just pointing out some roots to today's society, along with some unconsidered fractions in the german war through the history tv channel'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'there's plenty of directions, it's up to you to see them, i like to see how things actually operate'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i'm coming to some fairly informative conclusions'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'since i do not perceive a decent direction to proceed, i refuse to be emotionally angered by the atrocities mentioned'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'reality's not made very decent by society, it's good to be aware of the history that led it to this point'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the unconvicted criminals and genocide junkies'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the biased opinion of the media and the pieces that they don't often consider, from reality, of why such and such occurred'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'emotional anger with no where decent to go -- not healthy'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'why such and such is so rotten today, and where it first started'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'You don't have to go back so far in history to see media ignoring the important stories'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i know, i've read of plenty'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and observed plenty that never was addressed'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'Awesome, Springer's on'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'so what - if you are unable to provide pragmatic instructions that improves the world, then self-inflicted emotional anger is an exercise in futility'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'as Duke Nukem said "shit happens"'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'In 1994 Senate hearings, it came out that scientists from MIT had been giving radioactive oatmeal to the boys - men now - in a nutrition study for Quaker Oats. All they knew is that they'd been asked to join a science club. '
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'The publisher of the book, "The State Boys Rebellion," is Simon and Schuster. Both Simon and Schuster and CBSNEWS are units of Viacom. '
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Viacom -- The Comedy Channel'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'New names such as cloning and human genetic engineering have arisen and have the same basic traits; genetic superiority.'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/3012498/the_eugenics_movement_and_the_state.html'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'God likes evolution'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'class superiority or genetic superiority?'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'and decent eugenics is (an attempt at) a form of evolution'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'are you a moron, a idiot or a retard?  help the economy by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany_Must_Perish! being paid to preserve the rest of your family, or having them preserved is payment in itself?'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'http://library.flawlesslogic.com/massrape.htm http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/29/60minutes/main614728.shtml'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i put forth plenty of points and valid observations of the given data that weren't ever openly addressed in my sight'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'so, i'm a little more knowledgeable now and have less why's than i did before, i'm satisfied'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'You're much better off researching self sustaining water purification and food growth without using fuel given the coming economic armageddon.  At least you'll be able to use the knowledge.'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'yeah, that's something to consider as well, but i think knowing the facts about history that you're condemned for indirectly youre entire life is good to know'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'reasons why something is as it is, and what are the possible realities that they don't advertise widely'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'at least i can die not dissillusioned, or survive until i die if that's the case'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'what nonsense is "openly addressed"'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they don't play these facts on the history channel alongside their condemnation of germany'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'or discuss them in depth on documentaries played through the media'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'or come taught in school along side the other side of the war's 'reported perspective''
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'perhaps you want some governments to hire professional weepers for some moaning and wailing to "openly address" the past happenings (with crocodile tears)'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i doubt there's very many unbiased politicians in existance, or reporters'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'jeez that's a big supply train isn't it?  i wonder why'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'now i know a little more'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'call me what you will, there's a bunch of informative article's that can be researched the points of to see varying atrocities and reasonings for why such and such is as it is today'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'and yet, very little - (no workable solutions)'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and the reasoning behind the shot down medical ships in ww2 being due to the allied forces (reported by a member of one of these ships) using these ships as munitions carriers, which was explicitly forbidden by the sanction those ships were given'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and germany's knowledge that that's what they were being used for'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'http://library.flawlesslogic.com/massrape.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany_Must_Perish! http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/29/60minutes/main614728.shtml (last one's about the eugenics happening in america in short, there's plenty of related articles in archives)'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'information you never see discussed on television or in popular magazine's'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'described to people'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'Sir Francis Galton - Father of Eugenics http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufqOe0_pres (a couple points missing from the other article, but interesting to add to the mind arsenal)'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'helps to consider with more points in play leaning one way or the other on the scale'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'so what -- inflamatory articles that do litle except inflame emotions and do not solve anything, and thus worsen the situation (also by detracting from where attention may be more useful)'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'who's being emotional?'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'you, your attempts to inflame'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if i want to burn something i use a match or a lighter'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'there's plenty of matches you could metaphorically make from the information'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'whether it clears your ignorance or if you're never ignorant of the points from the start is a question only you know, or whether it gives you more to consider along with the accepted facts as the media and educational systems propose'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'not every soldier is a commander for instance, so the people 'in the know' doesn't regallate every soldier within its circumference'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'plus, if it's all factual, it's more than likely that the war-criminals who purporte and spread its reality to this day would deny it with all vehemence and self-preservatory instincts they have, so left in the dark is the best way to obscure reality'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'by its reality i don't mean its observation and acceptance of being real by society, but the people who puppeteer society'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'as viewed through 2 results of conclusion'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"regallate" is not a proper alternative form of "regale"'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'by who though, we wonder, and are told one thing, and see quite the contrast'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'with the scales of the minds'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the names of their victims are mostly lost to history'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'see, i can hear something and consider it without saying it's absolutely how it is, with sourced information'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'doubt whether "regallate" is a word in the dictionary'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'Droit de rigale, a medieval legal term, originally denoted those rights that belonged exclusively to the king, either as essential to his sovereignty (jura majora, jura essentialia), such as royal authority'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daeleon: 'That's the new Starbucks flavor fot eh roal wedding, Xyliz.'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it seems as though it's a fitting addition to the dictionary'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'A feast, meal; To provide a meal and entertainment for someone; To please someone with entertainment'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'what do you do to make that the enforced policy?  be a commoner or a king?  say you're dealing with a million men and giving them orders, for instance'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'do you regallate it?'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'with your royal authoritah'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'According to testimony given in the United States Senate on July 17, 1945, when the colonial French troops under Eisenhower's command, presumably mostly Africans, entered the German city of Stuttgart, they herded German women into the subways and raped some two thousand of them. In Stuttgart alone, troops under Eisenhower's command raped more women in one week than troops under German command raped in all of France for four entire years. In fact, of all the major belligerents in World War II, the German troops had by far the smallest record of rape and looting. The German army's incidence of rape in all of Germany's occupied territories was even lower than that of American troops stationed on American soil! '
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'http://library.flawlesslogic.com/massrape.htm'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"regale" or "regulate" are words, but not "regallate"'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine is repeating'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'determine: shape or influence; give direction to; "experience often determines ability"; "mold public opinion" '
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'regallate more specifically addresses the focal point of the sentence'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'According to an AP dispatch of September 12, 1945, entitled "German- American Marriages Forbidden", the Franklin Roosevelt government instructed its soldiers that marriage with the inferior Germans was absolutely forbidden, but those having illegitimate children by German women, whose husbands and boyfriends were conveniently dead or held as prisoners or slave laborers, could count on allowance money. And, according to Time magazine of September 17, 1945, the government provided these soldiers with an estimated 50 million condoms per month, and graphically instructed them as to their use. For all practical purposes, our soldiers were being told: "Teach these Germans a lesson -- and have a wonderful time!" Such were the great crusaders who brought "democracy" to Europe. '
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'repeat, regallate'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'radify the regale's will if you prefer'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'extremist: (used of opinions and actions) far beyond the norm; "extremist political views"; "radical opinions on education"; "an ultra conservative" '
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: '^_^ radical!  radify the crime against humanity'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'sign: approve and express assent, responsibility, or obligation; "All parties ratified the peace treaty"; "Have you signed your contract yet?"'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'ratify'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'there's a stark contrast again to consider'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'one last repeat of this, then i'm done: http://library.flawlesslogic.com/massrape.htm http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/29/60minutes/main614728.shtml http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany_Must_Perish!'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'regallate - no dictionary results --> Necroshine is illiterate '
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'better save the info before they remove it, if that's what they plan on doing'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the people who left that words out of the dictionary may be the real illiterate one's, though they most likely incur better results and pretend self-deception works for them , based upon their insistence that they are genetically superior to me'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'better educated != genetically superior. '
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'make oneself subject to; bring upon oneself; become liable to; "People who smoke incur a great danger to their health"'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'occam's razor ^_^'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'regallate --> re-gall-ate --> to redo some action to do with gall ... nah, no such word as "regallate"'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine is illiterate (and is no H P Lovecraft)'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'eat that!  derivative's make sense to me, appropriate to eat for the subjects to consume the enemies'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'KMI , BMI'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'follow the serpent rainbow'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'that's alright if you don't, cause i'm done'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It's 2026, and the Debt Is Due?'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'strange article, given that Mankiw obviously knows better'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'aztec priests used to wait for a thunder storm, cut their scrotums and piss blood into a collection plate, true or false?'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'seen somebody mention that before'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'false '
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'how to get into the priesthood down there'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'well that's good, i often wonder how much of their history is misinterpreted'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'not much.  What they aren't willing to do to themselves they're more than willing to do to someone else.'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'A lot, by people with a better sense for sensation than truth.'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you're talking about today's spectacle killers, as are present in every nation on earth, i was deliberating the aztec history whether that is their practice or not'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Aztecs are not an emo sort of crowd.'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'I'm going to suggest that cutting one's scrotum will not actually cause you to pee blood'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'not very empathetic people around today, you can hardly call alot of them human, except driven by fear they have in common'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Fiendish: other actions might produce blood after, but not peeing.'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'depends on how skillfully you wield the knife, Fiendish.'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'or unskillfully'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: '"Ow, my eye!"'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'a hole's a hole as far as blood's concerned'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Still not the Scrotum you're aiming for, because that's not where pee comes from.'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'wouldn't that be funny'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'if your bladder and testicles switched places'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vyragos: 'not really'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'when you have to pee really bad you'd get a giant balloon'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'yeah that's true, i watched a harvard scholar down in south america describing alot of their brutality, so things like self mutilation seem to fit the parcel'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'for few seconds, at least, before it exploded'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i guess they might not be eunuch's or other such things though'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they made a city in the middle of a swamp!  alot like vienna there along the ocean, only a little stranger'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'cool story though, from what they figure'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i read about some mayors getting stoned to death by gangs down there, is that orchestrated by a common source of vile intelligence, or by their adherence to islamic extremism, or by some old aztec stoning ritual?'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i'm assuming it's the void, but i'm always interested in what a insightful person might have to say about it'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'might want to stay away from the middle, but who can say how much america likes its cocaine'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i eard they ship alot of it through submarines'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vyragos: 'guess I need to move closer to the ocean'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if you like that shit , then sure, i'd rather plant myself a coca tree and watch the bees get high on it'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they ship most of it by surface boat.  They tend to run into customs agents and coast guard, which apparently make a really big deal about having cocaine on a boat, so they dump it overboard hoping it swims to a small village in Nicaragua.'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if it makes you dizzy , let me know and we can make arrangements'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i never quite grasped , why rivet, they throw blunt objects at people to put them to death, when god is said to be merciful and a bullet is alot like a rock, travelling at higher velocity'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'brutality as an example, guillotine boy'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'behave my herd or you will end up like this here sideshow freak, but what they're risking is that if everybody said, hey that sucks and i think he should probably pay for it, he wouldn't be standing there any longer'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i wouldn't stand by in any scenario and watch somebody who is helpless be slaughtered by somebody who is larger than they, if i was in a place like that i would maybe dedicate my life to destroying their destroyers'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'by helpless i also mean not proven responsible for some others deaths or likewise'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trihex: 'a strange thing there, necro... is 'destroying their destroyers' any different than the destroyer in the first place?'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the bible mentions 'he who kills by the sword shall be killed by the sword' implying that a equal sin should take place upon the original aggressor in atonement'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trihex: 'but then wouldn't that mean, once you served justice, wouldnt you then be the next one to die by the sword?'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trihex: 'i mean i agree with what you're saying, i've just always been confused by this'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i went in that loop before, but i think a cleaner approach would be if you catch them in the act then you can exact justice based upon protection of their aspired victim - if the victim is already gone and you have a fair set of laws and strong detainment facilities, then you can place them in there to both protect your neighbour country, your own country and yourself from harm'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but people fucked up that second idea pretty hardline'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i see people who have 2 grams of weed on them being threatened and murdered with 10k in their pocket for an undercover 'off the hook' investigation'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'justice system isn't very good at all'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'starts with the ones who give the senators their orders, the president and foreign ties'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trihex: 'no, not at all, i believe it is too strick when it comes to certain things'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trihex: 'i have been arrested for a miniscule amount of marijuana before.. and i see no justice in detaining people for a naturally occuring plant'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'yeah, me either, but living where it's legal costs alot and criminals typically flock there cause they can have alot of money from selling it to places that do have it illegal'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'chemical compounds and things like heroine or codeine which occur through chemical extraction, are different though'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if not prescribed by a doctor or psychiatrist or rehab phychologist, then they're floating around and getting people irreversibly hooked'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'The poppy is a naturally occuring plant.'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but its chemicals come in non-heroine forms, and several derivatives of heroine forms mixed together'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'to separate them requires chemistry'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'requiring a human mediator between naturally occurring and human occurring'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trihex: 'i couldn't agree more! i mean the pharmacutical drugs are worse than street drugs.. the only difference is the guarantee of consistancy'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Indeed. We should stop using all pharmaceutical drugs. Like Ibuprofen. Or Acetomenaphen.'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Or insulin.'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'take as required for pain, the pain of being addicted is different from pain that you use a substance to be relieved of for awhile'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Yet it is just as unnaturally derived as heroin or cocaine.'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'those needles some needle people claim they get in their veins while they zone out for 6 days or more during detoxification do be to differ, but that is the result of usage of substance in the first place, which is like i mentioned - and there could be rehabilitation and a drive towards that instead of prison time for those people'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trihex: 'things like xanax (an opiate if im not mistaken) are handed out too easily.. i mean i won't lie.. i like xanax.. a lot.. lol but it should still be either more heavily controlled, or just done away with'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'aspirin's willow bark or something like that'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'ibuprofen's relative to that, iirc'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'My point is, modern medicine is a good thing. Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i don't think valium and them are opiates at all, but i could be wrong'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'i don't think that it is medicine to blame completely people need to learn some self control'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Morinon nods at Akuri.
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they probably only printe the recipe on closed-source media'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trihex: 'oh i agree Morinon.. don't get me wrong. I just believe there is more effort put into controlling illegal drugs, than what is put into controlling pharmaceuticals'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'self-control in a society that brainwashes them into missing the essential elements of morality?'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'I have a fairly Darwinist approach to drugs.'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'not to mention the drug companies the amount of money they spend to push their products'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Let druggies breed themselves out.'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trihex: 'high five Morinon... high five lol'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'not very good of a justification, it's like me putting 2 rats in a cage with a dispenser in the middle housing shots of crystal meth - they'll get hungry sooner or later, but both will fight for the next hit if put on a time dispenser'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Necroshine, we are not rats. We can reason.'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'born in a cage, cage is reality, crystal meth is candy to deal with the cage and eachother, choose between eachother or the cage and drugs'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Albeit poorly, as you are an example of.'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'this is a small scale example that can be expounded upon to develop a sounder reasoning of social system's and individual's interactions with them'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'It is a false example.'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'There are many more things out there than mere crystal meth.'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'And far more than two rats.'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'most of the effort in 'controlling' pharma comes from the corporations themselves, they run what are essentially internal polls for their drugs and release the results they like?'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'so, why doesn't the government that makes artificial humans make some research into real issues, such as this?'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'don't even bother argueing with me when you have no reasons why the pro's don't deal with the problems'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'We don't have any artificial humans, Necro.'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'all legit ?  that's cool, then why isn't every man born equal?'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Equal in the eyes of the law, but not with equal advantages and disadvantages.'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'And the government has less control over those than A: it would like, and B: it would like people to think.'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'ah, and the chemical dispersant here was the not so best solution'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'one of many dispersants'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trihex: 'im split on this issue, seeing as how i smoke marijuana on a daily basis. But at the same time live in a part of the USA which has extremely high Crystal Meth usage and manufacture rates. So i've seen the aftereffects of drugs like meth (or ice as they call it around here). I've seen people fall prey to the drug and never come back from it. I've even gotten to see a couple meth lab explosion aftermaths.'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the government has more control than what they would like people to comprehend, and they would like to extend that in other words'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'WA, OR or ID, Trihex?'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i can see that as clear a a sphere'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trihex: 'AR'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Ah.'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trihex: 'being so rural, lots of people try to produce it here.'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trihex: 'i despise the stuff'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'I'm with you.'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Eastern WA, OR, and ID has a lot of meth-heads too.'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'a forest fire about 5 years ago started from a meth lab explosion.'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trihex: 'but like i said, i smoke marijuana daily (am right now actually lol), so who am i to judge on legalities?'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Anyways, off to kill me some dorf criminals.'
T3/r3/2011-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trihex: 'Good Day, Sir. Nice chatting with you.'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guano_Islands_Act you guys taught about that in lawyer school?  LOL, one of the funniest examples of exploitation of authority and hidden reasoning i ever seen'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if an island has bird shit on it, it is mine'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'http://womenshistory.about.com/od/blackwellelizabeth/a/eliz_blackwell.htm america's first female doctor, book today costs 16,500 - family from england with an eye on social engineering in the USA'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'http://www.betweenthecovers.com/btc/item/87669/'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'Jack Layton is vowing to do more to prevent crime, saying an NDP government would partner with local communities to eliminate gang violence and make neighbourhoods safer.  http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadavotes2011/story/2011/04/07/cv-election-ndp-crime.html'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'main reason the default winners (Liberal/conservative) will scheme to keep the NDP out of office?'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i often wonder why people who are members of gangs are not prosecuted for the crimes done under their gang's name, everybody lookin onto this spectacle of justice where the crooks walk freely among them'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if you become a part of a group participating in destructive actions and bullying, then by default you should be considered a member of its body as a whole'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's called terrorism, Necroshine.  To go after the terrorists you have to take resources away from gangland units.'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'corporations have individuality status's in the USA now, corporate gangs I guess would get off of the charges if they adopted a new slogan every time one of their members is caught in the act while wearing their colors'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'corporations can own corporations too , to keep the owners identities hidden'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'just like in the 90s, we'll one day decide we've taken care of terrorists well enough to let them be for a while and gangbang some more on gangs'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'But the companies who own companies are public knowledge.'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'only if they're public companies'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'So which companies do you believe are hiding something because you don't know who owns them?'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'for a price, I can set you up a web of companies that (a) let you shuffle around profits to avoid taxes legally, and (b) are too complex for at least the Norwegian IRS to figure out..'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'just because they are public doesn't mean bits of information are advertised.  George Soros and Rupert Murdoch base their careers on this.'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'alternatively if you are in the US, you can buy congress, either way works, really'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it's not very common knowledge that a man /prince/king from saudi arabia is co-owner with rupert murdoch (from australia) , under the corporation name that owns most media company's in the USA'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Neither way will work much longer since you can't float every major economy on printed money with no back.'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and we see what kind of daily destruction happens on down there'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they own the media in several other nations'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that does worry me slightly, if dollar hegemony ends too quickly, it will get really, really ugly'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Indeed.  It would be an almost overnight transition to chaos really.'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Let's just hope the jackasses at the world bank and IMF dont' convince enough people to abandon the dollar'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'all those people predicting an end of the dollar before Obama's 2nd term begins are setting up an unrealistically short timetable, though.'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Not if outside forces add to the pressure.  The riots have spread from the middle east to britain/france/europe, mexico is next, then what?  People jump on the union protest bandwagon here and start rioting?'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'decisions like Russia/China doing some of their energy and other large deals in their own currencies are, relatively speaking, minor shifts'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the problem with imminent dollar collapse is that it requires people to have significantly more faith in some other currency, though'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it won't end quickly.  Pretty much everything is backed by the dollar, so no more dollar means no more everything else.  It is far more likely that the other side(s) will notice the writing on the wall and start shifting things over before it falls apart so that when it falls apart their shit can keep going like nothing fell apart.'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the euro isn't a much better candidate and renminbi simply doesn't have markets developed to make it possible at the moment'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'If chaos hits hard enough, or if Israel strikes out preventatively and people start gettin worried, it would be far easier to convince people to accept a new currency than most people think.  At least, IMHO :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'The euro is a piece of crap too.'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'how about a 1 world dollar, where a dollar is a dollar here and in timbuk2, and the dollar's council consists of a member of parliament from each participating nation'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'of course neither of these prevent the US from having serious inflation'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'not 1 dollar here is 1.3 there .07 there and 3.9 there'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and related unrest'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'a 1 world dollar would require 1 world government that shares the economic interests of all people everywhere, which isn't going to happen'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'In your opinoin :b'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'it doesn't even make sense'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and members of each nation overseeing that products aren't overpriced by corporations within those nations'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Sure it does, but not in a world where people still have the illusion of stability'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'you could get a way with a one world european union, I think'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'no, it would require a member of each government to organize and a team to oversee within themselves'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'this is a two-edged sword, though, because the US can't just threaten to stop printing.  If they did that, it would take too long for the supply to trickle away and during that time a switch would simply be made to some other currency.'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and by "get away" I mean you could have the Bancor or whatever set up as a currency'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'a 1 world government would be giving this structure to a outside source'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'A one world system is just a matter of time and circumstance, it is far from impossible'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'When shit hits the fan in Israel next month you watch and see how many call for a new system this summer.'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'here the outside is international, and each nation participating has equal footing within its organization'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'global currency will have the benefits and disadvantages of the euro, just scaled up a lot, and instead of a reasonably responsible central bank, you'd get the usual UN-level of corruption'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'equal footing?  So, like, no more welfare siphoning away money from rich(er) areas?'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but you'd have to safeguard against corruption in the administration, cycling people in and out of the seat and not allowing corruption to fester among the candidates for next in line positions, keeping it classified within each body, who is next in the queue?'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'but you could set it up without anything more than the skeleton of a government that the EU had 15ys ago'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'then confusions is battled and equality is reached towards'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'although hypothetically if all the markets when they open tomorrow wake up to the real fiscal situation in the US, you'd have..'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Fucked.  Basically'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'WW7'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'maybe a dollar drop of 30-40% once the situation stabilized'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the UN was formed during WW2, which i see has some unconsidered aspects to the conduct of the 'good guy victors' to be considered - this wouldn't require a deligated group of exnational participants to oversee the happenings within each nation'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I thought the UN was formed just after?'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and it would take some time to stabilize, afterwards you'd have a 10-15% drop per year'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'I find it far more likely that given the entirety of human nature and history, once a system is set up there will be one jackass who abuses the power, sets up like 'governorhsips' of the regions of the world, and reigns supreme.'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that was perhaps slightly pessimistic, you'd have 10-15% inflation per year, slightly lower fall in dollar values'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods at Anne.
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'yeah, you're thinking along the lines that 'this idea needs to have a monopoly involved in it' and how to set somebody out of its power , not participating, who can then exploit it as he wills'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'The only real thorn in the sides of people who could make this happen, is that america is still largely an armed nation.  When a gallon of milk is 10 bucks and gas is 20, people aren't going to just sit there, they are gonna go take what they need with their weapons to back them.'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'It's a lot different here than say, Egypt, where the population wasn't really armed.'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'US society has been trending toward elite control / totalitarianism since the CIA shot Kennedy, but the changes have been slow, at least until recently'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Egyptians aren't afraid of microphones and television camaras, though.'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'But, in that case, the rest of the world would have even more reason to abandon the dollar and leave us to our revolution or whatever it becomes'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'so the gov't better take the rest of your guns while they have a chance, then!'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you are erroneously selective, Tinada.'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada tickles Dokkar.
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'interestingly Norway has far more guns per citizen than the US and almost no gun-related crime'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Don't tell the liberals, they'll call you a conspiracy nut.'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you know why i think that is, is cause people know if they cross somebody's threshhold they won't be left unbitten - and they know that to bite somebody erroneously would result in them taking the spotlight in somebody's vigilante justice scales'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we never left the state of elite control since before the Declaration of Independance fucked everyone over.'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'since cops can and have been bought along with members of most levels of society, that is possibly the reason - as not everybody in a nation can be bought like the cops that police it, and the police, knowing this, along with crooks trying to buy them, don't have as much stress placed upon them to accept'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'And that system works when the consequences of printing infinite money can be kicked down the road a few years.  Eventually it stops working and people realize that their guns is the best asset they have left.'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Personally, I expect Bernanke to quietly continue printing money to buy gov't debt whether or not he announces QE3 soon, and the program will likely have to increase, seeing as, quite simply, no one else has the money to buy the weekly billions of new federal debt'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Anne is agreeing with that Tinada person again...
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or, well, unless interest on the debt increases a lot'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'QE3 is a foregone conclusion, but he may not call it that'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'but that would crash stock markets, housing markets etc'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'what's QE3?'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'If he doesn't do QE3, we're fucked.  If he does it, we're fucked later.'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'quantitative easing number 3, or, printing money like candy for the third time'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'qe = quantitative easing = fancy word for printing money that tricks 90% of the population :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada meeps at Anne!
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Last 2 years they printed more than the last 200'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'That tells you a lot about what it's really doing to the value of the dollar :b'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'clearly Bernanke deserves a raise'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and february deficit was larger than 2007 deficit, Obama should get a raise too'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'pay him in Trident.'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'he'll be happy, and we'll save millions.'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'trident missiles? or chewing gum?'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'chewing gum.'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I expect Obama will make 1m every week once he is out of office and doing books, speeches etc.'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'he'll be a one-man Beatles concert.  Old men will throw their mistress's panties at him.'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and you lose 1qp every quest!'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'mis..'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it seems to me that the value of a nation's dollar is determined by how much foreign investments they have and how much they can get away with exploiting the points of investment - china for instance or canada, china got coal mine's located in south africa where that nation allows the people to be leased out by a contractor who might get a fair amount of money, but who's workers don't - and they have warehouses located in the most violent city in mexico (as reported to be) where workers get paid not enough to live off of and things cost actually more than across the border in america - canada owns a diamond mine in south america, and i'm not sure how fairly the workers are paid relative to their contractor, but from the other cases it would reason to guess that their investment is managed according to labour laws within that nation, and the contractor would be searching eagerly for ways to increase his cut and decrease theirs'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Yeah but that philosophy is why we're all screwed.  The value of a nation's dollar used to be backed by gold.  Since none are now, it's a race to the bottom.'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'in the end it boils down to one nation getting rich from the exploitation of another, or somebody who doesn't belong to any of the nations in question having a corporation owned by a certain nation through which he gets rich, and only a fraction of the funds are accounted to the nation while the bulk is distributed among all who's he's a part of their investments (through which he owns)'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it doesn't come down to the government taking their own citizens into account first, all nations allow their exploitation and even cheer it on - and the few get richer while the majority disintegrate for their greed'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'value of a nation's dollar should be nothing, value of a dollar is value of a dollar, how many dollars the nation has to throw around determined by how much on a transparent and understandable value chart, you may need grain to live for instance, there's some dollars, you may want some diamonds, the seller gets some dollars - how they're distributed among the participants and how much the participants can gain by the amount they're paid and the cost of living is mostly a territorial decision, but the end product for a specific area of land should determine exactly how much money that nation is worth'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and that doesn't mean that if one nation is unable to produce as much as another, that one nation should be punished due to inefficiancy, if it can be proven to a reasonable doubt that the nation in question was first addressing the needs of its own people before that of others'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'all of that consideration is erased by the totalitarian system and corporate agenda'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Things get more complicated if everything goes boom. China owning resources elsewhere might be mostly irrelevant, since governments tend to renege on all sorts of contracts  in a major crisis'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'where boom = disaster, not permanent bull market..'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I blame the usual post-midnight brain drain'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'I agree, a black swan event messes up all the theories.'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'For instance, new madrid fault goes in a big way, all the scenarios play out way differently, and faster'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'a "better" placed earthquake, major terrorism, or even cme taking out parts of our electricity networks might trigger funny events, but as usual I bet on nothing amusing to happen now or in 2012..'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'I think those type of things are happening faster all the time.  In the last couple years there've been all sorts of effed up stuff, not the least of which is multiple quakes off Japan higher than a 7'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'well, I suppose a dozen arab regimes falling might count as amusing, but the US will do its best to prop up Saudi which is the major one here'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'There will be a major cme next year at the sunspot peak, i betcha'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that is highly likely, yes'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'a major cme is total yawn.  The biggest ever recorded in history slammed into Earth a handful of years ago and most people barely even noticed.'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'but we may be lucky and have the big explosions miss us, like the one in early march'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'biggest recorded maybe, we didn't have instruments to record the one that zapped people using telegraph machines.'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the correlation between cme and earthquakes is fortunately fairly small'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i imagine if a nation were required to pay, under this equal dollar act, the participants in his foreign investments (the contractor sees nothing), a suitable wage for their effort as decided by their host nation, where they're investing from, regardless of how greedy the said contractor and leased nation's laws are - a person overseeing the reality of the fairness of these operations in the foreign nation or their absence would be a target for assassination or 'paid not to see' policy by the friends of the contractor - but they would be slow to persue things like that if they were watched for internationally, and investors would be more weary to deal with nations where they have bad laws like that'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'in the end of that spiral, the corrupt nation would have on dollar's to spend on foreign resources, neccessitating a inner-cleanup before persuing any foreign interests'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dashiell: '...wow, you sure don't believe in run-on sentences, do you?'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Periods are for weaklings.'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, periods are for women.'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it'd be a nice hobbling of imperialism and corporate slandery'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'to work at a foreign investment you have to obey the foreign laws, and your own nation's laws, which could be contradictory - the most restricting of the two on allowed exploitable corruption would apply - so if you came from a more fair nation and owned an investment in a rotten one, you would be providing a sanctuary and fair work-place for the members of that nation by investing in it, as they follow your laws and not the nations, which the corrupt nation would have to identify with if allowing your money to flow through them'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and a corrupt nation's laws operating within your more justified border would not allow for any exploitation of your citizens under your more restricting laws on their slanderous practices'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'as it is, they aim directly opposite to that'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'as i see it'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'just saying the way i see it to be, and how it would probably be more prosperous to be in the long run'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'coal poisons the water in its use and manufacture/procuration and places a nation at risk of fires that can't be put out along with mass-destruction of natural resources , both the cost of purchasing it and the cost for operating a mine for it should be considered given the neccessity of its use in the place that wants to use it - what for?  is there alternatives?  they would more eagerly be searched for and less neglected if the price was steeper and the value of the dollar was the same every where, and the laws restricting the monopoly of it were more clearly stringent'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dashiell peers intently at Necroshine.
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Coal has fueled us for a long, long time.  I don't see too many 3 headed babies and such so it can't be poisoning the water THAT bad.'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'as it is, they'll cut down a mountain and national park for access to a little vein of coal to send somewhere overseas or burn in their power plants, which are demanded by foreign investments, such as badly built buildings given their place of operation which consume too much power'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the loss is alot greater than the gain, when all factors are considered, and those missing considerations came to light'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'most wars are started because of greed, but if equality were the basis of governmental judgement/perfection of law, with equal eyes the participants would consider whether or not a war is justified, and having seen the answer would consider whether or not their own sovereignty is at stake by remaining out of the imperfect judgement of the aggressor - then discussing among their national heads they would decide whether or not to backlash against the warmonger, and there isn't a nation on earth that can stand against all others'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'lawyers today typically follow their own personal fortune, unless uncorrupted by financial issues (kind of like exnational world organizations which make policy's that dictate war), in this case they would be rich - choosing as they see correct to defend - this is all genetically determined and engineered by money today, but if a dollar was a dollar wherever money that is accepted by international (every nation having a say on whether or not they accept one anothers currency) agreements in their judgement, then corrupt lawyers would beging to disintegrate , as they don't want to live where laws are bad, and being under the law they would be required to uphold it - within their own nation's policy's they'd be choosing whether or not their nation has sovereign rights to access the market of another in their actions, perpending the internal observations of the foreign representatives (which are safeguarded against corruption through means such as cyclic classified selection of a given list of volunteers'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'which would be stationed temporarily in each place to keep up to date on the happenings of government within each border), death of the volunteer's would be publicized in the investing nation's media and people would be less voluntarily applying for that job in that nation, another method to choke out the bad guys and neccessitate that they clean up their own borders - when reading of a corrupt lawyer who is supporting the violation of civili rights and justice as determined by that nation'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'man, just throttles capitalism and imperialism like a bean doesn't it?  i like to put contradictory philosophy into play and see the responses'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'imagine a globally accessible list of transparent business associations of each participating nation, which corrupt ties would be weeded out of fear of segregation by one another, who's owners cannot hide - every grain of rice or wheat being recorded, everything bought and sold being held on a diagram available from street level to international level (investments and investors), all considered openly, and any obscurity on the chart leaving a nation in a pressurized position to either make straight or else be annexed from one anothers trading pattern's (who shall we trade with?)'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'people conspiring or puppeteering nation's would be revealed given enough time, and lessen in numbers, as the record keepers and internal agents who investigate reality within each nation, for their own nation, uncover the questions'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Heh until they were assasinated'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'criminal's and aggravated assault funding individuals would be required to sit on their peddled one world currency, or risk having it available for research within a banking system - having their salary's recorded, where did they get this from?'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: '~ ~ ~ >:-)'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'another method to weed out the parasitic practices of traitorous human's'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'how much did they spend this year?  say you have to sign a contract and verify your identity through a card, like a birth certificate, which is free to replace or cheap - in order to buy something, why was this person eating at a food bank this year?  people would be more obliged to create work for others so that they don't have to, energy consumption would be reduced as people took the place of machines, morale would improve with the sensation of having earned your daily bread'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'overpopulation and things would be considered in coherent discussion and sustainability be revised through open agenda's, people who now have a choice would see the problems that monopolized their lives in the past'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it's all quite simplified by the existance of technology, to hold the tech guru's responsible for what shaggy security they allow in their systems, especially financial and government, would reduce their attention paid to leisure and integrate their attention paid on patching the holes - networking would be considered neccessary or not for certain machine's, a government-only wire system which can't be accessed by internet computers'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'something doesn't add up, there's a list of name's (again monitored by a uncorruptible volunteer or government agent, who's current seat is chosen by classified draft idea's)'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'thereby hindering government policy corruption, leaving everybody's position in authority cyclic, king for a day'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'people can't edit the read-only records of somebody's income/expenses'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and can't turn a blind eye to them when observed by a group of people who are selected cyclically and beyond the realm of internal terrorism tactics/bullying and personal greed, as you can't corrupt everybody to think just like you'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'access to the information of who's the current would have to be overseen by a cyclically replaced tenant of the government, but not to the entire group of people - protecting them, as the one who sees them and their own place is not eternal, but you gotta protect the system as much as the system protects you'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but that's one way of it that has proven to be corruptible due to the latter half not being upheld'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if the public was aware of who somebody is, and somebody's place being temporary and incorruptible, the public would raise an eyebrow, along with those foreign representative's/agents of internal investigation - at these people just disappearing, and would then pressure the government to hunt down the perpetrators, from not only public unrest but also foreign interest/annexation of dealing with those other countries (each post being cyclic as is the rest)'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'nobody's left in the dark'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'in between one term and another, the read-only records of the participants, which are tested against security and internal corporate tricks of those company's to bypass the security of, on this government network disconnected from the internet - would be available for view and research by the current cyclic observer, and inconsistency in action or results would bring question upon the previous blind man'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'then once that is exposed, organized crime would be required to operate openly, and its presence be known by the citizens'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and a foreign nation, being versed in crime and the consequences the current source has brought upon itself, would weigh the cost versus the gain in dealing with that harbouring nation'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it all follows a course of commen sense you see, whoever resists reality is annexing the truth imo, this is the type of thinking that leads towards solutions and repair'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it's deadly of course, but so is the philosophy of people who died 1500 years ago, or 6800'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'so it's not really much harm in considering'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'world governments are mostly monopoly tools today, both of thought and life, and they move towards further corruption within their operations instead of away from catastrophe'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'so where's the haven for people who are oppressed by their government?  is there a haven in most area's of the world?  the answer is no'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'equality or even moving towards equality is impossible when no civilian is neccessary for the functionality of the man who operate's the machine, and as time goes on it becomes dead thoughts'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'there shouldn't be a person in this world left unaccountable for their crimes against another individual'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but as we see, there are millions of the'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'system i theoretically see subverts the action of those millions and brings them to exposure and recompensive measures'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'what would you pay the hitman with, knowing that all transfer of money and all buying and selling of products is monitored and categorically compared by a cyclic government position overseeing the transparency of their nation?  the dollar bills would be sat upon or the hitman would be exposed as having a unreasonably large quantity of money per earned wages'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the foreigners would be able to print media for consideration within the foreign nation, including the shady operations of these people'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'no more anonymity for money'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'another stumbling block for the crook :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'owning foreign bank accounts is illegal and any transfer of funds between international banks is openly available for considerations who take part in the world bank (cyclically elected classified individuals until time of electorate functions arrives, at which time they publicly secure that facet of government) each bank within each nation is responsible for assuring that a bank account doesn't belong to somebody from another nation, each citizen being accountable for buying and selling of produce (haven's acception) and verified to actually exist'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'their wages monitored under the more restrictive set of laws, in agreement with the relative transparency and adherance to the freedom's of the citizens, in a foreign nation investment, all categorically monitored and transparently accessible to the bodies in question, held accountable for their actions, and punched into the investing nation's government computer, sidestepping exploitation some more details, along with the host nation's government computer - needing assistance for some reason for producing a product of its own accord for bartering purposes'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'each foreign investment requiring the host nation to agree to that nation's laws (if not violating the host nation's laws for freedom and accountibility, the most fair group of laws intermingled decides what the law of the operation is), and providing in some cases, a sanctuary for fair work opportunities in a foreign nation'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but all held absolutely accountable for every single dollar, how it arrived in a clear page filled without confusion, for confusion raises the eyebrows of the international electorate committee cyclically observing the transfers of funds'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'network #3'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'read only, internationally tested security, unbreakable by any individual in the read only archives of reality versus editing software'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'computers simplify the task, but also pose a threat to integrity if they're not correctly built'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'why should my anonymity or personal integrity be violated by a foreign corporation who owns the electronics market in my nation?  accountability, like they say new ipods all come with gps software and remote abilities to render useless'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the corporation resides in china'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'why is it that this private corporation is able to openly violate privacy policy's granted the citizens of a foreign nation, and where does the foreign nation's ability to produce adherant hardware and software become hindered?'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'is it neccessary cost to forfeit your citizens right's ignorantly in order to satisfy the monetary reasoning devices of a foreign corporation, or a job opportunity which your citizens can fulfill, if neccessary or desired, to build appliant devices to national laws'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'there's an example of what would be hampered by furthering my train of thought, in one relatively large scaled example regarding what a individual citizen considers to be large, rights of theirs would be upheld before the slander of the government for the shady income, cyclic as he were, being exposed'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'he or she in some nation's'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'then if that one nation were attempting to export devices that weren't adherant to the laws of the host nation of their bartering, both the organization of the foreign government and the foreign supplier would be held accountable in the reasoning of the international community, both would risk annexment and reduced/eliminated continuity of dealings with the questionable markets, seeing as how one isn't making sure that their trade partners uphold their laws and one is knowingly violating them'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'what is respect anyways?'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'something greatly abused and replaced with monetary respect in the world of black market confusion'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'a song sung by an old fat black lady with a strong opinion of herself.'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if one nation isn't respecting another nation due to being larger militarily or economically, then that nation should probably be considered very abhorrentionally on the scale's of international freedom, whether or not it deserves to be annexed in reality, and the soldiers who are sent's dealings with the citizen's not involved in the operation of the government being considered in light of their actions, whether or not they deserve punishment'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'ie, bullying comes with a pricetag'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'just have to uproot weed's is all, then you can get past the doorframe and into the cleaner household'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'seems to be real anyways :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if a canadian company open's shop in russia, that company should be adherent to the laws of it's investing nation and adherent to the laws of freedom and accountability hosted in russia, so canadian laws for equal opportunity for women and men and canadian laws that women can't be harrassed in the workplace and canadian laws governing the accountibility of the corporation would all apply, removing the ability to host a proxy investment in russia that invests in another nation where russia's rules are applied in contrast to the other nation, which could possibly be worse than even russia's freedom list'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'including what minimum wage is back home, host division of canada, province?  the varying dollar and government makes this all even internally confusing'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but if that were fixed then there'd be a haven in russia that is held accountable for all of its actions and dealings there , and if found to be breaking the law or shadily dealing with any of its participants, it would be taken to trial'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'same with china, havenless as it is'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and any other nation that followed this technique would become more prosperous due to the public desiring it's propagation of fairness be spread throughout their nation'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and then the host nation would revitalize its own laws or destroy the foreign faucet's dealings within their border as they make them appear to be bad'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and people would then question why this is'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'wasn't an american overseer corporation installed in china near 1930?  or was that british?'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it'd be interesting to know just how much say they have over the government there'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'interesting reasoning device at the least, sort of like the installed governments repeated human rights violations in vietnam'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it's not as though they seem to care at all how much rights people have, only how accessible their exploitation is to them, hidden or otherwise'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'fascism at its finest, seems to be a possible way to look at this'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'ie, not fined at all, no payment due to the world are the criminals behind their 'interests', the whore wide world knows about it'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but there is some punishment due, i think :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'False flag (aka Black Flag) operations are covert operations designed to deceive the public in such a way that the operations appear as though they are being carried out by other entities. The name is derived from the military concept of flying false colors'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'that is flying the flag of a country other than one's own. False flag operations are not limited to war and counter-insurgency operations, and can be used in peace-time.'
T3/r3/2011-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the romans liked to watch gladiators murder eachother on a arena field while sitting back and laughing, and the history of rome's fall is rather shakey - what if somebody has all nations on earth in his arena and using deception to darken the minds of the many, (*thought to be reality and widely believed such), sends them to war in mass-murder 'games' / violent humour?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i don't let considerations like that slip my mind without evidence to support their absence'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'remember the book, germany must be destroyed, and the shells the hospital boats were carrying, and its proported usage on both ends and how each side received it'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'for instance, and the absence of america from the war until after 1941, before which time canada had a hand in it'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'in the form of food and materials'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'unintelligent design, and absence of the emperor?  looking at it from this angle it appears otherwise'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'intellectual artillery casing there :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'who caused what?  who started what?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'cause and effect, and the one sided lead'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'there is no end, only ends :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'no law against the mind here yet, unlike in other installed government's by members of these one's'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the thought police are steadily changing that though'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'We can think all we want, just cant talk about what we think... via... Kennedy, MLK, MalcomX, etc..'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it seems so, false flag's may be just possible , but this is considering things with an open mind, unbiased'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'killed by the cause of decay in the world today, or for being a part of that cause?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'little of both perhaps'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Nod at least for Malcom, and Kennedy.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if something's not right and people are dying for it's evil propagation among the world's immune system, then they are consuming themselves in cancer that will eventually destroy them'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'metaphorically, blindness doesn't hide obscurity'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the world's more than me, and society i pay to live in it, which is supposed to represent earthly justice, but which apparently doesn't do that so well'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'justice moves towards perversion and not towards truth'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'just my thoughts on the matter, given the openly available thoughts, existing philosophies and religious teachings, how i observe them to interpret into this formulated meaning - i claim no originality except in the way i place my observations in wording, any error is due to me being human and imperfect as such, all or most considerations are traceable to a pre-existing source'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i can write a trolloc story and the myster of the myrdraal in the blight of mind metaphorical analogy to it, but then the points would be covered in fiction and not directly accessible'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'much easier to read with plainly put fractions'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if part of your job's requirements include not questioning the tasks you're given, there is evidence of a man or woman who believes themself to be as satan or god, sending angels through the world, you become the angel here , evil as you may be for them and under their guidance, eat some candy and kill the store owner'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'as people are born with a scale in their subconscious reality which by default does question, this scale's removal should be considered as a crime against humanity and one committed against you'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'one reason i never stuck with the military training in my country - i observed them removing my questioning facilities and feeding my unswerving loyalty to their direction, to naturally swerve into a question results in punishment'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'taught not to question, how to be a robot'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'that's probably one of the key missing pieces of the MIT Cog system, advantageous it is to have no question'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'taken from the charactor profiles as observed from the book, and contrasted to reality'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and his seed shall make war with her seed, says the revelation book about the dragon in the sky and the woman with the sun as a crown'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'considerable saying isn't it?  the war on women - waco jesus, a interesting song isn't it?  definite phenomenon here, of the author of germany must be destroyed analogy and said outcomes of such'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'who's their advisor and what was their morality before and after they wonder, nobody says'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'http://library.flawlesslogic.com/massrape.htm considering this, her seed and his seed we see an interesting analogy'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but the bible may be alot older than recent , so they may say, even feighning belief while the ministers of it break its laws against children exploitation (woe unto any who harm one of these little one's)'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'not much fear of god in his ministry'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'like i said, i consider things openly'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if i didn't i would have come up with such a widespread analogue and proposition that actually does line up in a parallel consideration with reality'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'anything which parallels reality is reality...'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'being justified is one thing that is more valuable than life, i believe, if you have no virtues at all and do nothing to recompense your soul to God, who may exist forever nameless being, making amends where possible and attempting to find the truth to lean on, as such Jesus mentions 'I am the truth, the way and the life', seems the truth would be a member of Jesus's body, meaning that by searching for it I'm not offending him, and discussing it with others i'm in agreement with his teachings'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'touching on points that line up, it's maybe impossible to place reality into a story written by human's in all of its details, but it's possible to discuss observable parts of it with consideration to parts of other's consideration's and sayings, to contrast one another's validity in a given sentence'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'a temple divided against itself, how shall it stand?  who invented the false flag that they fly through the minds of people, and was he knowledgeable of projected destruction of such a deceptive world government in several religious and philosophical texts?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the book of kings from hinduism for instance describes something you want to believe to be real from your traitorous actions, and something that proposes a similar analogy to that proposed by jesus in the bible, and the recorded fates of several empires due to the evil actions of their administration and how their people were taught to behave'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'either*'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'kingcraft :) and the book of kings'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'in the end it seems the liars lies always catch up with him, either in self-deceptive revelation, or by revelation of his actions to his people causing disintegration of his status, or through divine intervention of _-_ fate , making right the wrongs committed by a person'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i believe purgatory and things like that to be possible, and can see severe lies piled on top of an individual soul as maybe the coals they place upon their own head, the fuel for the fire's of it'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'cleansing them of their crime's and making them no longer an abhorrence in the eyes of god'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but i consider things to be possible, including mind beyond all human perception, universal consciousness, do unto others, etc, if i was born ignorant or harming other people through ignorance, i would want to be righted - if i knowingly did it cause i got pleasure out of other's destruction, i would expect punishment'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and if i didn't, i would question why that is'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you can't fix what doesn't believe itself to be broken, and can you open the eyes of the lost?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'that's a bit strange...'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'you are saying that being out-of-order is somatic.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'sure it is, so is history and current world issues/status's'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Should name change to TheProphet'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'TheProfit'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'cassandra'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'prophet's project the future through stories, for money they're not labelled as such but they still project such and such to be proper, and prove themselves correct through their invention, which the world is not'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Makes a cool game name imo, new one from a diff game'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'profits and prophet's of money, false prophets and false profits, money's morality versus mortality'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'knew even*'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i think that's how it works, i'm not a prophet or i'd be saying this is how the future will be, not this is how the future could be, or this is how the past could be, i'm discussing things in a limited understanding and human sort of way, i'm not perfect but i do see that there are things that i could discuss cause i'm unclear on them - how come what the bible tells me and what the priests of it in the world do, don't line up for instance?  how come what i see on the media and what i see through research don't line up?  how come's can lead to answers sometimes, i like to hear what people think about things, and not only what the media thinks about things'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'perhaps because there is too much attributed to the Bible? It has been turned from story book into holy book.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i didn't make it holy, i didn't make it story either, i considered its words and what i seen in my life/witnessed, and didn't say this or that is authoritatively the way it is, but instead, this is how it can be interpreted to mean since i can draw this conclusion from its words - any of these considerations can be the underpinning belief of the churche's inventor that gives his denomination its wind - since some knowledge of its beliefs and some grain of truth is required to keep a book full of lies within their memory, they'd be required (with their belief in lies) to have some analogous situations in reality to hold the lies to their memories, since rarely do people remember a page in a fictional book that has no sentient meaning'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'that's what i think about it anyways, touching upon the core belief's of evil people'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'so, even if the bible may in fact be as you claim, a story with no historical significance, it must have had its gameplan derived from something that did, or had actions attributed to its words which represent them somehow through reality'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Problem with evil, it makes people think they are doing good.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i think this is a form of sorcery, isn't it?  '
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'or what is called sorcery, more likely'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'otherwise its meanings wouldn't exist, fictional entity, and there would be a big gust of hot wind to consider instead of a regulating collection of fraction's within it'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'what those reasoning tools all truely are is maybe the discourse of several people, if you see what i mean or not, but not in the public sector'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'what gives a man raised to be a priest so much faith that he molests little boys and girls or ignore's pages of the faith he professes in his actions in the name of the church?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'there must be some underlying teaching he practices, or some verse that he sees as justifying him doing so from the book that he remembers'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'isn't that a little of how psychology works?  do you remember nothing?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'nothing is maybe something to fear, in memory and reality - but something i remember'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'yeah, like the story 'kingcraft' that i read of from hinduism, it both feeds the evil delicacies of their minds if not considered in whole, and condemn's their evil actions'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'the problem isn't logic, someone logically thinking that that misbehaviour would be 'good' or 'right', it's the illogical emotion that leads to evil'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'which is why gautama preached to bridle your desires'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but some see what they want to see, and others look for justification for how they see things - this latter group is sometimes not satisfied by the justification granted by others, instead turning to introspection and self-cleanliness as their guiding principles'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'emotional desires, or physical desire for an endorphine rush essentially, is what leads people to do stupid shit that hurts others'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if somewhere an action is condemned, a reason for why is searched for among them, not leaving the reason in the darkness, their scales still function (as it were)'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'when you say 'but' it means, 'everything that came before isn't important, only: <insert your rambling here>', so if you want help learning the art of discourse, i recommend not using 'but' as often, but trying 'i see, <insert your ramblings>''
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'useful for talking to yourself, too :P'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'or, useful WHEN talking to yourself rather'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'no, it means that some people, apart from the entire body of text considered condemning and feeding those endomorphogonal addictions as you put it, some people don't pay attention to the whole story that gives them faith in their ways, instead choosing to look at the candy (as an endomorphogonal spiritual justification to their fleshly practices) among a text, while ignoring the bitter taste of it (the consequences discussed) upon their consciences, as i think most people do have an conscience'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'so a but is in order you see, there is this 'alot more things are considered with the text' but there is also 'but you can pay attention to only those parts that make you feel vitilized in your practices''
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'alot of people, seeing the immensity of a body of text and having a fear that god isn't real, and a fear (to maybe a lesser extent) that he is, put their faith in the words of a priest, who as i mentioned before may be performing upon one of several possible interpretations of the bible in order to both remember it and render its morality useless upon his own conscience'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'not everyone has the web of intricate analogies and cross-references, and set up in the same kaleidescopic pattern, as you do'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'their kaleidescrope is different'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'of course not, i have my own understanding, yours may be different, if you have alternative explainations i consider them'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'different colors and connections, so it might be helpful to factor that into your preaching'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but it's good to discuss things, cause with discussion comes understanding of one another'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'discussion involves a relating of ideas, and expecting people will just relate to your view of the ideas is different than trying to find a mutual point of relation'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'bible translates into book from english, it was just left as the bible in modern english translations - so it applies to maybe any body of text that requires a teacher for understanding, and since religion is such a subtle topic, moreso in their profession - as the reward is of the afterlife in alot of cases and not this current one, or the other way around'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'if you read what i've written thus far, i'm attempting to help you get your ideas across with a better success rate... atleast to me'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'people want to focus upon their daily tasks and not upon eternal reality itself, and look to people trusted as their guidance counsellors who can set their minds at ease when they question and fear, which people it seems are not always the most honest to have in that position'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'is it the topics or the way that they're discussed, that you have a hard time understanding?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'each daily experience IS the eternal reality'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'the lack of invitation to share, mutually consider, and agree/disagree in a constructive way on the validity/absurdity/relevance of any given topic'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'see, that's a considerable saying, i took it and it weighs up somewhat with the scales of truth as i perceive them - it also brings with it great depression when i consider all of the horror and unneccessary injustice that i witness - and also all of the despair i see from people not addressing those issues with enough effort'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'you must first create a level area, before you can put up a wall that will stand'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Decent advice, but not always true ^^'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'that chinese wall is built on several hills isn't it?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'necro that last statement is the most relatable thing i've heard you say so far'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: '(::'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'that's the bedrock that brings philosophs together, the recognition that many do not see or even seek the light'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'LSD also brings philosophers together :>'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'few people like you and I who really try and find the relevant matters and purify the methods of dealing within that matter, to create efficiency/goodness/etc'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Hehe :p'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'a greater demographic of those who think with mind and heart end up on MUDs, i've found'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'so we are in good company'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'At least the players that stick around, alot of kids come and go.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'anyway, my intent has just been to relate to you how your tendancy towards superfluous analogy and grandiose conjecture, blocks me from wanting to continue a discussion/debate with you'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'but I feel you understand, and know you are capable of understanding, so i hope my feeling is not misplaced'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'I just listen occasionally to help the grind go by, sometimes I put in my 2 cents. Sometimes he responds back, othertimes just keeps going on about other stuff^^'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'heh, i will be right there with necro, if he lets his posts be more of two-way streets'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'the process of synthesis/destruction/synthesis is what i'm interested in'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'I think necro you have a very good intent, and often good ideas, but sometimes just gets lost in the muck'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'the Ultimate Spirit/God/Mind/Enlightenment debate gets a lot of dogma thrown into it. I tend to avoid quoting theologians unless they say something that actually makes sense, heh.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'and least of all, is it beneficial to assume a dogma is static across it's sphere of influence'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'RagingFury, that statement of [08 Apr 01:45:47] by Necroshine indicates immaturity and (perhaps from) a lack of sifted knowledge'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'agree, we all start somewhere, though, i only have gone into a lengthy dissertation to him, and all of you by remote, because i know for a fact I was once along the same path'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'It's a good sign for the future that he ponders, and feels so strongly it will be an advantage once maturity takes over and he comes to terms with the feelings from that 01:45:47 post'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'my specific response to the depressing weight of the (curse) of awareness/enlightenment is that, to put the pain and suffering of the ignorant upon yourself can drain you of a lot of emotional energy and strength'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'better to limit your own suffering, becuase it will be easier to help those who are looking for relief when they make that intention known'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"maturity" is not an attitude that "takes over". maturity is (also) extensive accurate knowledge'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'more of a "reactive" philosophic technique than a "proactive" that might be more associate with the less mature arguement'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'maturity is a fun concept, it seems to encompass so many things'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'or can apply to them'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'incompetent maturity is not actual maturity'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'takes over probably not the right verb, develops would be better.   so you're saying maturity is an accomplished level of knowledge, and one can have that knowledge, but still be floundering?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'ie 'incompotent maturity'?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'RagingFury, nope, did not say that'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'plz explain, i was confused as to what you meant'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'that is, confused about the relation between the extensive accurate knowledge (which i would term expertise, or experience) and the 'incompotent maturity''
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"attitude" (which may feign to be mature) is different to 'extensive accurate knowledge" (which is not incompetent and not floundering)'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'anybody ever get scared reading through their beliefs that no life exists in our solar system beyond our planet (in able to comprehend life's wonders terms, consciencious), and contrasting their beliefs to the practices of the beings of this planet, with regard to sustainability and values?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'my dog like's cookies, but he seems stubborn nonetheless'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zoogy: 'you know no one is going to answer you on this chan'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zoogy: 'channel*'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'that's alright, people who have this on typically think more deeply over non-trivial issues than others'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they figured the moon mysteriously provides some regulation for the ocean currents for instance, and then attempt to study the shrapnel from missiles sent into its body from telescopes they have floating around the world or on the earth, lookin for water - while they don't seem as concerned about water down to earth'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zoogy: 'true.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'as one example, 2009-2010 they reportedly sent two rockets into the moon'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zoogy: 'and that true was to what you said about the people that have this channel on'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'there is water on the moon, one of its many oddities.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zoogy: 'how is it odd that there is water on the moon?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'it won't be odd if you can explain where it came from.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zoogy: '......'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'maybe the water being as it is on the surface, moulded into place by the mysterious functioning of the universe, was placed as it was in order to provide the balance for the body of the world - by disturbing the moon, is alot like the altar not being formed by man's hands being abused by mans hands, making the sacrifice impure to make a biblical comparison, and strange thing - was the risk worth the discovery?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zoogy: 'Necroshine you have to much time on your hands to think about things like that. Go find something to do lol'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'for one thing, the moon is too massive for the primary. The theory that it split from the Earth during formation of the primary has been shown to be wrong, so the other only possibility left is that of a capture, but as I said, the moon is too massive.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you got worldwide obliteration and destruction of systems that science dates to be older than the star beltegeuse, which would consume jupiter if sitting where our sun is located - and they disturb this with that much ease, having observed the prior to be real to them'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'heh, Mercury doesn't look at all what I expected.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i try to find a reasonable conclusion as to why they act as they do, and am left leaning towards evil spirituality, the borg (and the quantum jumping biotechnology species in voyager), the matrix and its one man administration in his office while he sits on all the tubed human's, etc'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'anyway, it's bed time for bonzo.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'suicide on the most ultimate scale as a human can commit it, even?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'it doesn't necessarily have to be suicide, maybe humans are a faulty part of evolution that must be removed so that more apt issues can come about :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zoogy: 'I wold believe that'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zoogy: 'would*'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'after all, all extinct species have one thing in common, they couldn't cope with the environment. Humans may have lasted longer than some but that doesn't necessarily mean that it is a successful development.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'that's maybe what you want to believe, alot like the perpetrator's of knowing who's worthy of breeding and otherwise, love being a faultless measuring device that bore no witness to the proceedings'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zoogy: 'it just means we are "more" sucessful'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zoogy: '"love" is just our bodys way of tricking us into having kids and keeping our race going'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'that's exactly how it is to some people who never felt it , or lost it somewhere along the training'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zoogy: 'Oh I have been in love and I still am in love and all while being in love I still believed that'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i think so anyways, i can take the stance that it's an illusion to if i want, for reasoning purposes or otherwise - there does seem to be a difference between a happy family and a efficient family though'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'does the rich man trade maximum efficiency of his leisure time for want of work?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'considered like this, i see that there may be an alternative in existance, else existance might not have existed for so long'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zoogy: 'yeah....thats to much thought for me at 5:51 AM'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you might not love your brethren or brother as you would love a member of the opposite sex, but there's a definite connection there that when lost becomes sorrow'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zoogy: 'true'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'depending how the atmosphere was, there is always at least a little time in a person's life when they seem able to indulge in the simple pleasures it can offer, not having any desire to breed along the way - the bible does mention that childhood is vanity in part'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'maybe you see it like that, it seems alot of the architects of society do'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'maybe it could also be seen to mean 'quit taking yourself so seriously, psychiatrist' or enjoy your simple life, because it only gets more serious in the amount of damage you cause to others from here on in?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zoogy: 'well I always try to enjoy life thats why I don't want to grow up because I don' want to have to deal with all the things in life that really shouldn't be there in the first place'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zoogy: 'anyways BRB time for my quest'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zoogy: 'ok back'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kerith: 'just to show this channel exists'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'shut up'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cide: 'ok :('
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cagliostro: 'i disagree..'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'you don't exist'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kerith: 'red is the best color ever'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'women would disagree'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cagliostro: 'after green? yes.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kerith: 'even if it was true'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'women would ask which of the 3000 shades of red you meant.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kerith: 'nope we don't have a debate channel'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'the one they see once a month'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'that shade'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wabisuke: 'Why do you have to be greater than or equal to the age of consent to debate?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'it's a curse channel where adult themes may be discussed'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thargar: 'how does anyone know how old you are?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'isn't fiendish into things like pedophilia, or is that just genocide rape rituals?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'take it to mxit!'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thargar: 'what is mxit'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'they don't. We expect you to either police yourself if you are easily offended or for parents to take an active role in the development of their children.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'it's where "u" belong'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cuthbert: 'Look, just because Fiendish likes to dress like an 8 year old girl doesn't make him a pedophile.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kerith: 'start by debating the age of consent...'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'but it makes roleplaying easier'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thargar: 'pleiades - no it isn't'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'according to what i read, MIT is required to have a written consent from whatever human beings it commits experiments on, do you think their repeated reported violations of this law (from the 1950's) is any indication of a flaw in the justice department?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and how many other mind-fuck toys are out there doing the same?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oladon: 'The government has no flaws.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jutduli: 'psy ops :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cuthbert: 'Then how'd you escape your cell, Olly? >:('
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'consents are old school'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oladon: 'Heh, I read that "psy cops" and was about to correct your spelling of "psy" :P'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'non of the people in my basement signed consents'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'cackle'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oladon: 'I didn't, they gave me internet!'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kerith: 'if the government is shut down.. does that mean that any legal agreements with them is nul and void?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'psi cops!'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cuthbert: 'Another flaw!'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'rubik's cube is more than a mere toy'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wabisuke: 'is it?!'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jutduli: 'no it means some ppl will get very wealth for doing nothing on their contracts'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'rubik's cube is an intellectual fast-memory exercise'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'I blame the liberal media'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'we need more family values'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wabisuke: 'Whada ya mean Jutduli?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'egan from the first church of satan channeled the lucifer to speak to the congregation on family values'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'the devil Obama shut down the government!'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the video has went missing, but you see his surname on several hollywood credit's and mysterious places'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the USA economy urgently requires to tax the rich'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Exactly how much should the rich pay?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'all of it'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the USA economy urgently especially requires to tax the rich republicans'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'depends on how many slave they own'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oladon: '$349.25'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wabisuke: 'we should all pay large taxes and go to socialism =]'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'make them all poor'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'a penny for every 10 slaves'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i read that in the 1930's or thereabout, a british or american corporation was forced into the framework of chinese society'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thargar: 'enough to pay off the debt and cover what ever wars they want to fight'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jutduli: 'no i mean contracted companies will get paid additional for costs incurred by the governments delay..'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'I do hope some of you are trolling :P'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'generally speaking, people become millionaires by being bad people and doing bad things to other poeple'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cuthbert: 'Majic, I'd troll all day if it meant I could live under your bridge <3 :('
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'ewwww!'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'so with china being such a big threat and debtor, who's behind the american or british insurgency, sponsored by those entities, and who is his current ancestor'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav screams "trololololololololololololololololololo" at Majic.
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the USA is already socialist for the rich'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jutduli: 'mmmm majic melons'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thargar: 'enough to provide basic health education and welfare for all americans'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Thargar is agreeing with that Xyliz person again...
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'but yeah, the economy needs to get better'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'my plantations are suffering'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if what i read is real, i mean, there's the phenomenon of the opium wars to consider for possible truths'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the rich do not pay enough taxes'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'how about guano island?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'have you ever seen a more bullshit law passed by us government?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'rich people don't need to pay taxes'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jutduli: 'nod i cant just be pay for service only... some of it has to be for the greater social good'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'don't punish us for being smarter'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guano_Act'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'and better!'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cuthbert: 'Where's Druzil when you need him? He'd set us straight, morally!'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Instead of taking the money from them by gunpoint and then having a corrupt institution skim off the top, wouldn't it be better if the rich just *gave* money to the poor through credible institutions?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'for being smarter?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'there's morality and then there's pretending evil is good'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Pleiades nods.
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thargar: 'the economy was doing great when the top marginal rate was over 90'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'you mean richer'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thargar: '%'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'that too'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'why did they teach the boy he's retarded while tellin him he's sane?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'And more handsome.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'opreation mind-fuck that'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'operation skull fuck was better'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thargar: 'also, they should send their own children to fight their wars'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine  the 1930 China reference is invalid, since in 1949 the old corrupt colonial regime was ousted'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cuthbert: 'As a cog in the panoramic immorality of seaweed crowned tyrants we should rend the happenstance and dictate the dictators!'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'yeah, operation mustard gas quiff implant was a good retort to catastrophic rape rituals'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'invented by the same guy who brought us cocaine'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'just thinking in terms of murdering enemies'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you know, giving some idea's to the victim's'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine - your mustard gas reference was not sufficiently explicit since ypu played the *unknown* inflammatory "catastrophic rape rituals" card'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kerith: 'i'm not sorry for waking up this channel'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'of course, but it's funny to imagine a group of tough guys melting away after their orgasmic jesus is reached'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kerith: 'yes you are'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wabisuke: 'i'm turning debate channel off.. my brain is too small to understand this'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'need some outrage or contra-rage in order to bring about the humour in their death'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'no its prob too big'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cuthbert perks up, something must have grabbed his attention.
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cuthbert: 'Contra?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cuthbert: 'That game makes ME rage all the time.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jutduli: 'classic shoot em up'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Necro wants you to give out TPs (or equivalent value) to the rest of us as reparations.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'so, what do you guys think of my novel so far?  i'll release it under an anonymous name'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'well, at least he thinks it's better that you do instead of us coming out to rip them from your cold dead hands. :P'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jutduli: 'Anonymous has to much credited things already give him/her a break'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cuthbert: 'Only if you promise to be sufficiently batshit, Dru. I'd read it.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz runs through the channel yelling  "catastrophic saffron yellow is to dye for - run"
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Contra < M.E.R.C.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'for real though, the guy who invented cocaine (alkaloid?) from germany, also invented mustard gas, and died while researching it'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they dual credit a italian for the discovery'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jutduli: 'Konami rulez!'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the forefathers of organized crime's peckin' order'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'in the modern age, opium's been around for awhile, heroine came about in the 1850's or thereabouts, also from germany iirc'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it's also possible all of that history is innacurate though, you know how the real reasons like to stay out of the spotlight'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz doing a Glen Beck imitation yells "saffron is yellow, mustard is yellow, so the rich are terrorists since mustard gas is merely a few degrees removed from expensive saffron"
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'people like to give a god forboding look towards germany consistently throughout the educational and social media upbringing, so the possibility is there'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'used as a pain killer were both of them, still is or was until recently, in britain they still employ heroine on some terminal cases'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'cocaine inspired the soft-drink industry'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'wtf is a "educational and social media upbringing" -- sounds like journalists going to some college'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they probably upgraded to crack by now'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'I think it means they spent their childhood staring into a computer playing facebook and 'educational' video games.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'according to some tales, there was papyrus or hieroglyphs discovered that included a recipe for coca-cola among the possessions of thousand year dead pharoah's'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the program that a baby is circumferenced by in their human life from start to finish'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Florence Nightingale was a heroine, some employing heroines as nurses is already established'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'some tales also claim that Nostrodamus also predicts Armageddon.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'considering unreported history, it does appear that media and education is largely biased, even contradicting the advice of senior professors from the 1950's that a understanding of the systematics of a concept being taught is more important than teaching of use in its employment'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'that's all for the upper-class schooling though'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'noooooh, the Coca-Cola formula was stolen from the ancient egyptions !?!'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'his work doesn't even remotely come close, but that hasn't stopped the agenda-ists from quietly rearranging the quattrains to suit their needs.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'the one with cocaine?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz predicts Armadillo !!!!
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '... is an animal'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'there were civil wars taking place as early as 70 years ago in some parts of the usa, due to the citizens observing that what the government wants taught is not neccessary for their kids to learn, and various other shit like that'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jutduli: 'home schooling is born?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you have to be rich to home school your children now, if you haven't noticed the insufficiency of well paying jobs as distributed among the masses, unemployment rates and crime-spikes, more stringent laws to fill the capitalist prison systems (35 bucks a day now)'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'harper tried to pull similar things along with corporate tax cuts in canada'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'no, you don't. you just need to be willing to live like 'poor people''
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: '226,000 dollars for obama's nuclear campaign supporter landed him a 36 billion dollar grant from the american government'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'i.e. no cable, etc.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'little investment here, million time over payoff there'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'who really notices'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Are all poor people unhappy?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oladon: 'NO CABLE???'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cuthbert: 'The problem is that to be a successful rich person (short of winning the lottery) you have to be a cheap asshole, I'd rather be poor and a nice guy, then rich and a dick.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cuthbert: '... er, than a dick.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that's nothing new, Necro.  Every administration from Washington onwards awarded benefits to their supporters.  In addition to a few random tweaks along the way, that's the basis of the American Democracy.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i read from a pennsylvania university document that the 'soviet threat' in guatemala? in the 1950's was actually a american fruit corporation's owner's brother being the head of the CIA, and having connections in the media who played what he wanted played'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'guatemalan's figure that 'soviet threat' was as close to a democracy they'd ever acheived'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'pussies are greater than dicks, Cuthbert.  But then, according to Jewsus the meek shall inherit the Earth.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine indicated disbelief in what Necroshine is saying by inserting the excrement-cuss into that ofal statement'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and there wasn't any soviets involved from what's imported'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"weren't" with plural "soviets" not "wasn't" '
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i'm going from memory of several documents, since it comes from a university discussing serious topics i guess it has a little more weight than one coming from a random link'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'yes, i don't care much about abbreviation's and things like that, watching how elegantly and simplified and one word for one thing other languages are'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it's always possible that nation's surrounding the hive are considered as shields, and dodging bullets in their conditioned, yet ignorant masses, is plotted in a national security policy'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but who would have access to information like that to confirm that possibility?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'there are installed governments all around south american history and the carribean'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'there are 52 words for snow in Eskimo, but none for hello (Animaniacs random trivia FTW!)'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'some of the audience does not care much about reading inane drivel incoherently spoiled by bad grammar (unless nitpicking the bad grammer - that may be fun)'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'Pot, kettle'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they do have a group of mountains in ontario named the canadian shield, Hat heru-behuted'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'there are 52 cards in a standard deck of cards, but the standard deck does not officially include the joker in most card games'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cuthbert: 'Eh?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'never really know'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cuthbert: 'The Canadian Shield is a layer of stable bedrock (granite I believe) underground.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the origin age of life on Earth (currently thought to be around 3.5 billion years ago) is now in doubt, as scientists finally resolve that the oldest-found microfossils are actually just nano-sized mineral formations (nanorocks).'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'The Obama administration has proposed $36bn in federal loan guarantees to jump-start the construction of nuclear power plants in the US Nuclear operator Exelon Corporation has been among Barack Obama's biggest campaign donors, and is one of the largest employers in Illinois where Obama was Senator. The company has donated over $269,000 to his political campaigns.  http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/features/2011/04/20114812554680215.html'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'that's what i noticed'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and by tracing the DNA evolution of fleas, scientists have determined that major groups of mammals, birds, and dinosaurs co-existed more directly than previously thought (enough to suffer from the same fleas.)'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'how is it that canada has a weak military, yet supplies innumerable amounts of uranium to america, the government doesn't seem to think they're existance at stake at all - raw iron ore's from several location's, that super magnetic shit in another place, etc etc - they have aluminum processing and reprocessing facilities in quebec'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Canada's pretty Progressive, isn't it?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you'd think that canada would be able to create jobs for its own citizens while the people who get paid to invent heartbeat monitoring self-assembling polymer's in the unversity of alberta would have sufficient intellectual ability to oversee the game-plan diagrams and interpret the newest military hardware or scientific discoveries for incorporation into new hardware'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'doesn't seem to be much of a warmonger, but russia seems to toe the line in the northwest territories'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'pushing its weight around as reported'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'where did the Cola bean originate -- if south america, maybe that egyptian "coca-cola formula" papyrus was mistranslated or a hoax or a misinformation by a deluded somebody'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no sense in protecting your stuff so fiercely if you're just giving it away.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'point is that there's enough citizens and resources within canada, that they should rely on debts to other nations to build their own arsenal, fully complete'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'yeah, and who's the ones behind the giving away scheme?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'american border guards raping canadian women'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'surrounded by enemies on two sides'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'incoherent sarcassm is largely ineffective'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and they don't think national security is in their interest, relying on being little sluts'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'more canadians likely rape Americans every day than we have border guards...'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'there's enough uranium and raw material's incanada, along with the information needed to make use of them, to build enough military hardware to rival any nation on earth'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'when is Dokkar going to vistt Canada ... some of those Canadians may like to "update" Dokkar'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'canadian's in the usa have the highest fatality rate of any nation they visit'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'including pakistan and mexico'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'apparently our Air Force isn't doing their part... :P'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'seriously, though, as porous as our border is, are they really canadians or just passing through?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we can't be the only country with an illegal immigrant problem, and from the perspective of the origin country it's always a good thing when they leave.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'canada doesn't harbour many illegal immigrants from what i seen'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'sri lankan vessal was maybe the closest (non-publcized) report there is in recent history'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'always possibility that the customs agent is paid to not notice the strangers coming out of the nintendo crates'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but i imagine internal security, if compentent would be looking at things like that'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you mean like Americans?  We're the ones with the lax border control and WE stepped up our game like crazy and we're the ones everyone has a problem with.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'intesting that only "lax border control" applies to the southern border. Canadians have been coming across illegally since day one. They even get jobs, not as dishwashers, but as professionals while here illegally, yet no one seems to mind.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wabisuke: 'well some americans go to canada for free healthcare so i think it's a pretty healthy relationship'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Healthcare isn't free.. the Canadians pay for it.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Heh Mexicans immigrants in the US, are equivelant to US immigrants in Canada. Thats why. US can always go to Mexica, Canadian can always go to US, but not vice versa.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'By gunpoint (taxes)'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Denarius: 'so you can always go south, but not north?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Pretty much'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's a law of physics'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'South Americans are trying to get into Mexico as well.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'surely you don't expect believe that the different treatment of each border is not based on bigotry?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'america's trying to pressure canada to make their border controlled by america - which is proven very faulty from the cocaine that comes from south of them'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Of course not, there is far less trouble on the Canadian border than the Mexican one.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Its about quality of life, everyone wants to improve.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'arriving to canada, sometimes seized in forms of fruit machine's, from the washington border'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'In fact, Canada is the US's largest trading partner and is also the #1 importer of oil into the US with Mexico being #2.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'so what?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'only things canadians could possibly smuggle into the states is marijuana, and from what people say that's a violent game in california, not cause the drug itself makes them insane, but cause somebody wants to be the kingpin of its distribution'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'the constitution of the United States clearly states that the law is to be applied equally to all. So a "healthy" relationship with Canada doesn't mean that they can ignore illegals from that country while harassing illegals from another.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and canadian police search for drug growing operations, can you say the same for south american's, or american's (consider the pharmaceutical company in california) who supplied the cough medicine in large quantities, contradictory to law, to drug gangs supply chains'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'for making ecstasy, that guy got off the hook with a 50 million dollar fine, while the management reported that they had direct orders to sell it'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it seems america should clean up its own problems before pointing the finger at others'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'When the US dollar dropped, Canadian marijuana exports slowed down towns. Once the currency is converted they are better off keeping it local or exporting elsewhere... or so I have heard '
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if everybody else not in america is your problem, then it's about time for another world war isn't it?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'tons*'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I wonder how that would go?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'the bottom line is, as well you know, that Canadians are not harassed because they are fellow "whites", something which is not the view of those from the Southern border.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Its like an American moving to Mexico... nobody in Mexico cares.. they just think what is this crazy American doing living down here. '
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it'd be cool if people said that's enough bullshit one day, and made the decision to clean up their own act for their own citizens before fulfilling some minority who never suffered any injustice from society's will upon a foreign nation'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'and as long as i'm dreaming, i'd like a pony'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'talking about the forefathers, and the ancestors, people forget that today they are the ancestors of tomorrow'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Denarius: 'Team America: World Police!'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but who can really enforce cleanliness in a non-minority fueled eugenics program with monetary baits?  nobody'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Isnt the US Federal Govt shutting down tonight, or did they come to some resolve?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that's how it should be.  Black Power is a good thing, and La Raza is god.  Hezbollah is just plain money, but it's really all about White Power sitting down and shutting up.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jutduli: 'supposedly anther short term resolution'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Hmm interesting'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Denarius: 'they 'fixed' stuff, but need time to write it out with a neat pen and add the legal BS'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'My county is super broke, they have a 1mil defecit, so they are gonna cut every county program by 25%, roads, police, social services, etc...'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvin_Coolidge they say this guy here, who is white, is one of the first presidents to give black people more equality among american's'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'claims he may be partly indian too, he also helped remove the segregatory social-mind control phenomenon that indian's are inferior in their rights'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'from what i understand'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'then they say hoover made a deal with a black man which he didn't keep in order to make hoover shine more in the public sight'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Blacks are shaping up to be Whitey done right.  They still wail about injustice, though now they're flavoring it with whines to the other minorities for trampling on their turf.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Easy to critique others, hard to critique yourself.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Should be talking about what YOU can do to better society, not what others should do.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i feed squirrels and don't destroy other forms of wildlife, they say the genetic diversity of the world has shrunk by 75% in the last 100 years'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'by not doing something, i seem to be doing something that would benefit the world at least, until they're destroyed by others'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'blame the japanese'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'america planted the japanese government, didn't they?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'what would be the point in blaming a sidestep in the toxic waltz?'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the latest one was installed so that the country was not left in ruins to fend for itself, after the world would not countenance the old one to be resurrected.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I bet Clan Roosevelt even saw the China disaster coming down the pike, and leveraged a major American presence there so that when it finally happened they couldn't easily retaliate for early WW2 atrocity.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it might even be likely that we fomented that revolution just to ensure we could have a real reason to keep our military there in the coming years.'
T3/r3/2011-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'no! you think?'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"oob" == out-of-box'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: '"ootb" == out-of-the-box'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: '"ooo" == out-of-office'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'ooa = out of acronyms'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'AoE == Attack-on-Entry'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'dude! that's age of empirse!'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'err, empires'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Milkshake: 'is age of empires like a'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'I thought it was a sexual connotation'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'AoE also == Area of Effect'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Milkshake: 'strat game similar to starcraft or more like sim city?'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'AoE == Attack-on-Everything'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'oh, not Ace of Espades?'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'shut up'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'it worked'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Anaristos . o O ( I thought AoE was Ace of Espades... )
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'there is no way for use to check that, only an IMM can.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'mis :>'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'shut up'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Take it to the mxit channel !'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'drag m3!'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'No, u drg me !'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'ned drg'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'n spllz'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'digital music is crap compared to high-quality analog music, but digital music is simpler to manipulate store and transmit than analog, and the lazy corporate types prefer to sell lots of crap music at a greater profit to the aurally-retarded public'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Aurally-retarded?'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'spllz'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'now'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Milkshake: 'pretty sure they did a couple of studies which showed most people have a pretty poor ability to distinguish between decent mp3 compression and phonographs'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'also '
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Milkshake: 'while also showing some people had a rock solid ability to do it but they wer ein the minority'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'white-bread contains less impurities than whole-grian bread -- eat white-bread and die!'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'a lot depends on a quality sound system'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'one helping of cardboard will fulfill the recommended celluloid daily requirements...'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'analogy:  digital-music is to white-bleached-flour-bread as analog-music is to whole-grain-bread'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'sure, apples are to pears what bolts are to pine needles. The logic is impeccable.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'just buy a good amp, good speakers'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'good wiring'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'analog high-quality-cassette music sounds great on a cheap sound system -- digital-CD-music sounds like crap even on an expensive sound system -- since the detail is missing from a digital-CD reproduction'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Not sure where you got your first statement from'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'that is not the case'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Cheap sound systems sound cheap'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, since music is analog and not digital...'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'you must have never heard a good sound system'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'And digital music sounding crap is blasphemy even to vinyl audiophiles'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'music detail is important to an audiophile'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'if you degrade an analog system as much as a digital system, the analog system will sound better.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'digital music sounds like crap as a result of the missing fine detail'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'we got the point.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Are you speaking from personal experience or have you been reading the wrong parts of hydrogenaudio'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'and you still need a good sound system :P'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'I can assure you that digital music sounds good to me'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'and warm, actually'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'no one said that digital music doesn't sound good, it just doesn't sound as good as analog music.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'no matter how the expensive digital equipment attempts to massage the digital CD information, the fine detail is going to be missing and the the digital music is going to sound like crap on repeated listening'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'and people perceive music differently'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'ears are analog devices, Pleiades.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'are you talking about differences discovered in a lab?:)'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'in fact the entire human sensory system is geared to analog inputs.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'not mine, anaristos'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'detail is detail - if the detail is missing, the music is not as filling'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Pleiades slaps Anaristos.
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'I am content with my audio system :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You wonder why Anaristos slammed Pleiades's head with a mallet.
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'for both records and CDs'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, we were speaking about humans, Pleiades. It is understandable if it doesn't apply to you...'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Urm, if you think that you're missing detail by listening to digital music'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'doesn't make much sense'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'it's not a matter of thinking, Entopee. It's part of the definition of any digitized analog input. Something will be missing.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Unless, and only unless you're comparing to live music'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'you record live music on a digital device, how can they match?'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'I'm not talking about recorded live music, I'm talking about real live music'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, real live music is analog.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'If you want to get down to the nitty gritty then tapes and vinyls can't record "everything either"'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: '"everything" either'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'There's always a limit to resolution and perfect replication'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'there is no nitty-gritty to get down to.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'I'm not sure if you're misunderstanding my point or avoiding it completely'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Pleaidas, were you born after 1985 (when CD digital replaced vinyl/cassette -- you likely are digitally-damaged from listening the digital music - missing mental-circuitry that never developped from lack of genuine analog recorded AAA music'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'the answer to that is no'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'and I can assure you, that, while I like the warm sound of my vinyl'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'digital sounds pretty damn good too'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'the normally functioning ear is capable of abstracting the analog data from a live production and it is also capable of detecting defects in a digital recording of such. Maybe not consciously, but the brains knows.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'and like I said, a lot depends on the sound system'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Could you reword your sentence Anaristos?'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'I got some CD on as we speak.. and it sounds good :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'debate the "warm" sound to vinyl is a misnomer -- that is the "consistent fine detail" to vinyl'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'wow'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'it means that the ear designed to receive analog inputs and can detect the difference between the original analog and a digital representation of same.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Source that for me, please'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'there's devices to give digital music a "warm" sound as well'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'and again, it's all personal'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'like speakers and amps'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'As soon as magnets ar pushing airwaves, it immediately becomes a "digital" sound'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'source what (whatever that means)?'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'you must be kidding, Entopee.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'english speakers are good for some people, french better for others'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'I mean analog'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'same with amps and everything else'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Major error, my bad'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the "warm" sound to vinyl is a misnomer -- the (alleged) "warm" sound to vinyl more aply described as the "consistent fine background detail" to vinyl'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'you buy something that fits your ear'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'aptly'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'obviously you fell asleep in your physics class when the instructor was teaching about sound waves.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'and the keyword  is "wave".'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Not sure what you're implying'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'And questioning intelligence and background is the real way to have a debate, of course'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'at least until your original character is kicked becomes disconnected.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'unfortunately, it's not too easy to find good equipment in the US'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'won't find it at best buy :P'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Was that last statement directed at me?'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(you obviously fell asleep in some class when the instructor was teaching about lossy and how digitisation discards a lot of information and detail)'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'the only find natural digital signals at the quantum level, Entopee. All data in the macro universe travels by waves, and waves are analog by definition.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'No, I actually had a significant amount of class specifically on that subject'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'I undersatnd that'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'understand*'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'But that's exactly what I was saying - the actual sound will be analog either way'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'so when humans evolved their sensory equipment was designed to receive analog signals.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'I rather prefer the class on psychoacoustics that discusses the limits of human perception'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'That there is degraded resolution in any recording, I don't dispute that'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'I prefer the class on how to properly administer rohypnol'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'But that wasn't the question - it was whether humans have the ability to distinguish between two seemingly (read, "seemingly") identical sources'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stutz: 'so a digital 'brown' note won't make me crap my pants?'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Entopee snickers softly.
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'it may, Stutz'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'it happened to anaristos last week'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'hence the depends'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'oh, that thing you use as bib, Pleiades? I thought you were dipping into the chocolate. I understand now.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'so what is the sound of one hand clapping?'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'is that digital?'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'analog?'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'can I get it at walmart'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'at what frequencies are "stereo informations" stored that permits the human ears to determine the positions of musical instruments, and how much of this stereo-positioning-information is discarded in conversion from analog to digital cd music'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'which of course makes the question about the tree in the forest that is supposed to sound deeply philosophical, rather stupid...'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Yes to Pleidas last question'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stutz: 'I can see how anal-log would be better at producing a pant crapping brown note though.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Next to Aisle of Lost Dreams, make a left at the end'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'an anal-log is a plug-in.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'This debate would really be bombing without Stutz'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz is able to differentiate between AAA analog music and AAD or ADD or DDD digital CD music
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'any oscilloscope can do that...'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'I'm able to differentiate between the speakers in my bedroom and in my living room'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'I can sometimes tell between Bach and Eminem'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'baby's got bach'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'obviously, Pleiades. The speakers in your bedroom are speaking English. The ones in your living room are speaking pig latin.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'all I listen to is justin timberlake anyways'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'SPARS codes are not an indicator of recording quality'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'You've got the majic?'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'I bought my latest and greatest sound system at walmart for $17.97'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'installed for free by two illegals'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Was it a fart machine?'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'to the attentive observant audiophile with decent functional ears, the *fine detail* is *obviously* missing in digital music  -- if you are unable to discern the difference between analog and digital versions of the same musical piece, then something is amiss with you'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'dual tape, record player, AM/FM/MW and 10 ban equalizer'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'band even'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'hearing is believing'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'I find it that sniffing them sometimes gives a clue...'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'sniffing is believing ?'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'depends on what you sniff.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'actually that's true for every system. Aard doesn't know why the connection was broken.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Xyliz, what about the sampling theorem is incorrect then? Where do the differences come from?'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'it doesn't matter anyways'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'y'all are going to die in 2012 anyways'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'sampling as also digitalization and is prone to errors.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'and you won't need music in hell!'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the sampling theory is a a bunch of crap -- similar to badly misapplied statistics'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Ok, thanks for that scientific analysis.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'wow. because work based on information theory doesn't, you know, work'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'heh, bring out the blackboard!'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'Xyliz is in full tinfoil hat mode now.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'it's trying to block the analog cosmic rays.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'though cosmic rays are digital since they are not a form of radiation :>>>>'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'DAT can store audio at up to 48 kHz, while DVD-Audio can be 96 or 192 kHz and up to 24 bits resolution. With any of these sampling rates, signal information is captured above what is generally considered to be the human hearing range.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'Xyliz can also hear dog whistles'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'that's the problem, Fiendish. "considered".'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'actually, DVD-Audio would capture higher frequencies than a dog could hear'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hehe, there's a dog whistle app on my ipad...it's hella fun :-)'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'but so can my wife'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'it's how I summon her'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'no comment, Pleiades.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'the ipad can't properly produce a dog whistle sound from the speaker'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cide: 'what would be the point o sounds we cant hear?'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'it's probably more like a preteen headache app'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, I have empirical evidence to the contrary'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'eureka tilts her head when you play the app?'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it does the preteen headache, and gets the dog's attention once past the kids hearing'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I drive eureka nuts with it :-)'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, be definition, if you can't hear it, it isn't a sound, merely a disturbance in the medium :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Ranrr, you apparently are not listening to the statement that:  "digital CD music is missing fine detail", and no amount reciting "sampling theory" is going to change the fact that "digital CD music is missing fine detail (readily discernable by the audiophile)"'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'as if millions of voices cried out and then were suddenly silenced'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but the dog hears it while we don't, qualifying it as a dog whistle'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Pleiades goes ooOOooOOoo at Fiendish.
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'analog music is also missing fine detail, since the analog recording medium and apparatus has physical limitations'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'it is sound to the dog, no to you. The medium is vibrating (the disturbance) but you are not aware of it, the dog is.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'digital-CD-supporters seem to be reciting "sampling theory" like disciples of digital-snake-oil-sales-quacks'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which is the definition of a dog whistle's job, ana :-)'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'you could argue that x-ray and gamma=rays are colors, too. But since the human I can't see that high into the spectrum, we don't say that.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, the CD sampling rate is 44 khz, and I cannot hear above 22 khz, so the sampling theorem tells me that CD music is as good as any analog.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'I'm gonna burn all of my CDs now'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'and get rid of the 8-track tapes too, while you are at it.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'what Xyliz is essentially saying is 'I know there is a difference, I can hear a difference, and nothing you say is going to convince me otherwise. If you attempt to do so, I will call you retarded until you give up and go away.''
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'at what frequency is stereo information -- likely greater than 22khz'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'so?'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'uh, no.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'stereo isn't a frequency'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: '^'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'what's the frequency, kenneth?'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'good tune'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'always fun to make fun of newsmen :-)'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'I might burn my books too'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'if the left right channels of analog stereo music were to be compared, the difference may be converted into a frequency'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'I guess if we had an extra ear we could here them walking in the next hyper-dimension.... :>'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'don't you listen with your ass anyways, anaristos?'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'if stereo were some magical frequency that couldn't be reproduced by digital recordings, then, you know, like, we wouldn't have stereo digital sound. And yet...like...we do.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, the difference isn't converted to a frequency'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'if the left right channels of analog stereo music were to be XORed, the result may be converted into a set of frequencies'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'Hey, but don't let reality change your mind.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'dark side of the moon in stereo :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, the front of the stereo sound travels as a wave...'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the results of that XOR would be variable depending on the sounds, since the left and right channels are wholly unrelated'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the whole music piece is "variable"'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'potentially unrelated, anyway'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'so it would have a frequency, but that's not the same as "stereo" :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'I play aard in stereo'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'or is it called multiplaying?'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you can have silence from left and tune from right...you can have silence from right and tune from left, and you can have both being identical, or any combination thereof'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'you have to view the stereo effect from a hyper-point... then it would look as a solid.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'I hyper-pointed your mom's solid last night.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the frequencies of the XORing process are likely to be greater than 22khz though at a very low energy, and yet discernable by the human earS '
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'xyliz, no'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'yeah, she told me. She said she had to pretend you had one.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'Xyliz: what you just said is gibberish'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'the human ears don't "detect" stereo, Xyliz. They detect the imbalance.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'just as the eyes "detect" parallax.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'so you admit you are unable to comprehend the wisdom of Xyliz'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'I admit that I'm not able to comprehend retarded.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'I wouldn't call it wisdom'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'or anything else :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Anaristos, potaytoe potahtoh '
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'but as we say on aard... de gustibus et coloribus non disputandum est'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'it is not a semantic difference. Stereo and parallax are abstracted devices.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'Stringing words together without knowing what those words mean does not a wisdom make. It's rather clear that you don't understand what you're saying.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'and I said that in stereo, at 4433355hz'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'not 4433356?'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'Jitter!'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'available in-store on CD!'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'You gotta get the vinyl version of that'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'I don't like vinyl anymore'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'I might sell my record player'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'do not use "pedantic crap" to attempt to refute valid observations'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'it's a bad one anways :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'the one with the dog listening?'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'yes, anaristos'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'but the dog has been replaced with a woman'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, it's about time you move into the XXth century...'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you validly observed that stereo is 22khz?'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'I got a 78rpm record player'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'unless you want Xyliz to talk incoherently like Necroshine'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you make necro look like stephen hawking'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, Necro speaks of matter where you can't discern much ignorance... In your case, you come up with some whoppers :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'not me, I am into visuals :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Abelinc is discredited by is attempting to put false words into the statements of others'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'necroshine just rambles. you specifically and adamantly state things that are very much not true'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'I'm glad there are people who can express their superior knowledge much better than I can'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, they are matter of opinion.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sorry, which words are those?'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'however, stereo frequencies are a scary thought :> '
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'if stereo were a frequency, you'd be able to get it from only one speaker'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'and only one ear :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'and with only one ear!'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'and one eye'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fiendish enthusiastically high-fives Anaristos!
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'to see the waves'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Abelinc rushes out to patent the single-stereo-speaker
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fiendish does the wave.
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'heh :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Don't forget the nose for the sniffing'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'yes, the sniffing frequency sends me into a frenzy.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Now is one nostril better than two in this case?'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, I'm done putting false words into the statements of others for the night, have fun all? :-)'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Abelinc false-words-insertion attempt: [09 Apr 02:14:56] (Debate) Abelinc: 'you validly observed that stereo is 22khz?' <-- which is the near opposite to what Xyliz was indicating'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, it depends on the sniffee :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'does a platinum plaque sound better than vinyl?'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'This tinfoil imaginary world that Xyliz lives in seems to ignore the current state of reality. Stereo digital recordings exist. Analog stereo output from a single source cannot exist. How much more QED does it get?'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'it's just that you are confused, Xyliz.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Well, I'm pretty sure I can sniff sounds of up to 44kHz, how about me?'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you kept stating stereo frequencies at 22khz...multiple times'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'so you were cross-wired some time after birth?'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then claimed that you were telling us your valid observations'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, validity depends on the premises... In his mind they were valid :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'invalid premises lead to invalid conclusions.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'not always'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Fiendish, CD-digital as available to the public, not the 200khz to 1mhz frequencies in japanese sound studios'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'usually, when they don't it's by chance :P'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'DVD audio is available to the public. and what does that have to do with hearing magical stereo waves?'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'but that has nothing to do with stereo, Xyliz.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'this is way above my head'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'I don't need none of that as a walmart greeter'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'wow, you're listening to 1mhz frequencies now?'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'get the dog whsitle, let's test him.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'technically only 500kHZ. nyquist limits, you know.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'no dog whistle... I don't need my wife to bring me a cold one right this minute'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'I can imagine him going nuts when he goes near a power station :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'I can imagine his head glowing when he goes near a power station.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'yeah, that too :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hope you don't have too many bats around where you live...that noise must be deafening at dusk'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'maybe he can help the bats navigate :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'sort of a bat traffic cop.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'I am sorry, Xyliz. But you earned it all :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'when i listen to analog stereo music, im am able to position the musical instruments consistently in a stationary 3D pattern -- but with digital CD music, all the instruments are either clumped left or right or nowhere or sliding all over'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'I think he turned off the channel...'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'he's back!'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'get a better cd player'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'so you are saying that the cd recording is not as faithful, ok.'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'I can think of a number of explanations, including 1) you're imagining it because you're very clearly biased towards something that doesn't jive with reality, 2) your cds are crap, 3) your hardware is crap'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'you forgot the bioware'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'I thought I covered that in 1'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'it might be a hint that at ear doctor might be required...'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'heh :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'more like the brain doctor'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'According to your own argument Xyliz, perhaps you are "not wired" for listening to digital sounds much like you accuse those born after the digital music of lacking mental wiring for listening to analog'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the analog hardware here is inexpensive and sounds better than the inexpensive digital hardware (not going to waste money on digital audio-hardware when the audio-science proves that digital-music is grossly inadequate and sounds like missing-detail crap)'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Not that I can agree with that'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Could I have your source of audio science?'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'I'm just going to put out there that the frequency range for SACD is 20 Hz - 50 kHz'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'I'd like to see a person hear 50 kHz'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'though the ear drums are able to safely vibrate at up to (say) 16khz, humans are able to discern higher extremely-low-energy frequencies carried on those min-frequencies'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'which"audio-science" is the one that proves that?'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'similar to AM radio '
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'wait'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a concept similar to AM radio'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'you hear AM radio waves?'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fiendish whistles appreciatively.
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'life must be hell'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'no wonder you have to wear a tinfoil hat. the voices must drive you nuts otherwise'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cide: 'i like my tinfoil hat'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cide: 'keeps the aliens from readig my thoughts...'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'THE WORLD SOUNDS LIKE RUSH LIMBAUGH!!!!'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'when i became an atheist, the mental voices soon stopped'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'or is that what the aliens want you to think?'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cide gasps as he realizes what Majic did.
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cide: 'never thought of that before...maybe i should add some ductape'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cide: 'and newspaper...'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'which is another reason i may never publish anything -- if i do publish, i may start hearing mental voices again'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'surely the voices prevent you from conducting accurate "stereo frequency" tests. is god in the left ear or the right? dunno, can't tell!'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'must be a digital god'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, I'm reminded of the jibjab commercials now'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'in retrospect the mental voices were those of deluded religious nutters -- the information they supplied was wrong'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'It seems rather inappropriate to suggest that the voices in your head are "deluded nutters".'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'and as a heterosexual, am not bothered by the deluded mental voices of atheist sex-perverts'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'When does one transition into the realm of "Actually the voices in my head are all quite rational"?'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'you're a homophobic theist, we get it'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: '"Greg! Greg! Psst. This is god. Seriously, if you don't take out the garbage Shiela is going to be pissed."'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: '"Greg! God again. Look, do your taxes on time this year, ok?"'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz is a heterosexual atheistic antitheist
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'it's ok to be homophobic, it will pass when you get older, don't worry, those thoughts about your friend are normal'
T3/r3/2011-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'insist on AAA analog music -- none of than AAD ADD ADA DAA DAD DDA DDD crappy music'
T3/r3/2011-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jasonson: 'hi'
T3/r3/2011-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'hallo'
T3/r3/2011-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jasonson: 'can you hear me now'
T3/r3/2011-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'I don't want to hear you'
T3/r3/2011-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'colorset reset should fix it. Then set the colors to what you like.'
T3/r3/2011-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r3/2011-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'oh, look, America is supporting Al-Qaeda.  The joys of irony are boundless.'
T3/r3/2011-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'you act as that is news.'
T3/r3/2011-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'History repeats itself'
T3/r3/2011-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'is the H in acanthopHis antarcticus  silent?'
T3/r3/2011-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'you have a hugh advantage by knowing zmud already, it's like father like son but the son is a bit more athletic.'
T3/r3/2011-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r3/2011-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'why would it be?'
T3/r3/2011-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'VampireDude, ophis is snake in Greek. The Greek spell it with the letter phi.'
T3/r3/2011-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Chicago schools today announced the banning of sack lunches for children because their parents are too dumb to provide them with nutritious food.'
T3/r3/2011-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'next: Chicago city council bans dumb parents? :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'or decrees that feeding your children constitutes abuse.'
T3/r3/2011-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Government has too much control over their lives.'
T3/r3/2011-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'this is the kind of stuff that happens when you elect Don Emmanuel as mayor.'
T3/r3/2011-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Or, more generally, democrats.'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'do i look ugly?'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Take it to the mirror'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'can vampires grow beards?'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'in the vampire movies, i never see them wearing beards?'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'werewolves wear beards, that is how the mentally-retarded audience (from watching too much tv) is able to separate the werewolves from the vampires -- also, the effeminate actors like to play vampires (sucking is in character for them)'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'hmm, feminists push the notion that the average working woman makes less at the same job than a man.  However, it has been shown that it is in fact the man who makes less than the woman (about 8% less) AND he is on average working more for it.'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar lobby groups don't have to be accurate to be believed.'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'yeah, but nobody's passing wage-control stuff to take care of the supposed problem.  They're passing stuff to otherwise help out the working woman, however.'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'are ninjas cool?'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abradix: 'Vikings are cooler.'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, they are awesome.  Cool is insufficient to describe them.'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(answer) pets are weak in many hack'n'slash pkmuds because the bullies do not want pets to upset the bully advantages'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'anyone gonna vote for 'yes we can('t)' Obama again?'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ladgar: 'i can't vote for him again'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ladgar: 'cause.....i didnt vote for him the first time!'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ladgar: 'they just need to randomly pick someone off the streets....'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jasonson: 'GAY MARRIAGE'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'next one in line'll probably up the armed forces some more for neccessary foreign operations surrounding israel'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if you see one campaigning to assist mexico in cleaning up its streets (which directly impacts violence in america) then ther's one to listen to more closely'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ladgar: 'ABORTION'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'in a choice between Barack Obama and that floosie Sara Palin ..'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but i doubt any would mention things like that cause there's so many access points for assassination within the profiteering circles from that nation's corruption'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'kind of like the NDP in canada, who wants to crack down on organized crime and conditioning for gang crime within canada, doesn't see the headlights as much as the liberal or conservatives, who rally around fighter jets or the cheaper alternatives, among other things'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'imo, liberal and conservative are both supporting and have hands in crime investments, but the ndp might not'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'i'm wondering what he's going to promise this time round...maybe a gold-plated porsche for every household?'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'no matter what he promises who's going to believe him?'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and hardly any of them (or nonoe) will supply adequate pay, adequate housing with that pay, adequate means to receive that pay (employment opportunity), adequate costs of health care and insurance, around these things - which is one of those organized crime and gang crime recruitment factors'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if a machine can do it, who needs people?  if it can be produced by some starving children in timbuk2 for free, why produce it here?'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'tsk, dumbass republicans suggesting Porches for Americans -- not very patriotic'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'lol democracy...choose your favourite liar...'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ladgar: 'dynamo....i like'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ladgar: 'dynamo....i like'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ladgar: 'dynamo....i like'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ladgar: 'sorry....i slipped'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'simple way to combat police and government and public official corruption, with any government-owned corporations considered, is to cyclically replace and relocate a continual stream of citizen's who are unrelated in any way to the previous group, no contact to corrupt, and not let them sit there for long enough periods of time to be corrupted or spread their corruption'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'then having adequate means to report attempts at buying them out with protection when neccessary and persecution of the person responsible'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'you really think the corporations wouldn't *still* get their man in?'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'like they complain about the belarus man in charge for 17 years, rigged elections and stuff, and then miss out on the innumerable supply within their own borders'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'or woman :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'not if they were safeguarded against, if they have some military threat to force it in then there's where you should aim your military in response'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'along with publicity they deflate fast enough i think'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'i suppose since the 'bailout' there's not much left in the coffers to give away'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Even though supported by USamerican troops, corruption by South Vietnamese led to fall of South Vietnam to the North Vitnam'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'poppy wanted poppies in vietnam...like afghanistan :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'papaver somniferum'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'that's the one'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i read on a cia fact sheet that laos is or was the main supplier of opium in the world'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they can grow that stuff wherever though'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'some places are better than others...the french were sure peed off when thet were cut out of the loop...'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and the mountain people/hermetic people in the sparsely populated regions of china were reported as having collected wads of opium from their fields and selling them for relatively cheap , when compared to how much the end product sells for, as a source of income along with the other things they can produce, i guess alot of them working without tractors and things like that sort of neccessitates a means to make money, right?'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'can't really blame those people for what becomes of it, they're just trying to survive'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'for sure...growing flowers for a living sounds attractive'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i bet it's the same kind of situtation regarding cocaine, i read accounts where farmers had (a real threat here) their lives threatened if they didn't produce so much coca in their fields/gardens'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'jusy a pity it means death down the line'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'yeah, the end product does'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'those people, some but not all, who are put into that position may not be getting rich from it at all, hardly even a fraction of the end-products worth they receive as payment'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'two of my (ex) friends would know all about it if they were still here'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'so, i findit hard to place the blame solely on them, and instead on the bullies who pushed them around'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'so Necroshine is urging that opium growers be paid more'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'who's blaming them? like you say they're just trying to survive'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'lol, no really, if those people had alternate ways to make money so that they could support themselves, given what tools and things are available to them, and that threat wasn't there forcing them to grow the illegal substances, things might be different'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but what sanctuary do they really have in china or some places in south america?  you can read about mining accidents that were due to the managers being paid to not enforce safety precautions for instance, or the amazon rainforest being cut down under a president in contradiction of a no-lumbering zone agreement, for to reach the minerals underneath'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'their own governments don't seem to enforce safety of their people, and the people who bully them around they don't have any protection from '
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'all reasons to not place all of the blame on all of the people who actually produce the base product, which they then form the chemical's and alkaloids from'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'spose we just gotta face ...we're in for corruption for the long haul'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Donald Trump is starting to look senile on TV -- perhaps Donald Trump is a wannabe John McCain'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'we need a government that will make corruption legal...that way we can return to being a law-abiding community'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'depends how many people want to consider living in crime against humanity and the earth for the duration of their lives and their childrens lives, i guess, and whether or not one day they will snap out of it'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'then how many of those have access to the arsenal's that everybody fears, and which side fights for the end of the other, total crime or moving towards total justice'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'what's just in one place is illegal in another, that's what borders are for, if you don't like living in one place move to one that suits you better - but what do you do when all area's are corrupted?'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the concept of justice is relative, but what are the base relativities that you can draw from citizens of each place that don't violate the base relativities of another?'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i think there's such a thing as moving towards perfection, and such a thing as plugging it at every stage of its development'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'the red center of Oz is still ptetty uncorrupted...but you might expect to be moved on by the nuclear dump people shortly'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'affects of chernobyl are still around 26 years later, that's 1/4 of an expected lifespan in a moderately rich country, that should raise the caution level of using radioactive materials for any form of energy in peoples minds'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'don't you think?'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they still don't know how to re-introduce or permanantly dispose of that spent fuel either, another thing that the next generation will have to try to figure out, but what if there is no answer?'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'the entire 'industry' should be outlawed'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'Dynamo is a neo-ammish! AFK :3'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'not really, afaik amish don't believe that technology should be outlawed, just that THEY shouldn't use technology :P'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'lol i just love people and hate seeing them get worked over'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i don't mind amish people, the stories of them hiring men to mass-breed their daughters is a little reprehensible if true, but otherwise it seems alright'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: '.... I've never heard of such a thing and would consider it incredibly unlikely :P'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'not much different than, say, a tibetan buddhist colony, or a tribe of monogolian people who still live off of the land disconnected from the grid'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they accept volunteers there, if society pisses you off you can go join up with a bunch of people who want nothing to do with it, where's the harm in that'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'nothing as far as i'm concerned'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'wtf is "don't violate the base *relativities* of another" <-- sounds like nonsense noises'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i said justice is relative, to find a common framework across cultures, nations, and things like that, which are common to all, such as i don't want to watch my mother raped, i won't rape yours, we have a new law - i don't want my head cut off, i shouldn't cut off yours, murder seems to be another common law'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i don't want your religion justifying my death, why should i take your life because mine says its ok?'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'so Necroshine is arguing for the common law of murder but wants to exclude beheadings and rape'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'there is no common ground regarding those things, every place has its own set of rules dictating mortality, and there is no common-base-set-of-lines-not-to-cross'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'beheading is a form of murder, whehter you think so or not, they call it not murder in some places for reasons given them by their religion or ability to buy their way out of prison, or absence of police making sure it doesn't happen'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'I wonder if Obama will do the evangelical thing this time?'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'maybe immigration and emmigration to those places can be outlawed, until a time when they realize that'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'it doesn't make sense to outlaw immigration and emigration ... if people want to get out, they should be able to ... and if they're dumb enough to want to live there, well ...'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'not bringing the reasoning devices they use back home into foreign nations where they have some set of laws that protect the basic rules of engagement'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine argues that "there is a common law of murder" and "there is no common-base-set-of-lines-not-to-cross" --  so Necroshine wants to escalate'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'this time i *really* promise :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'but honestly, a lot of people don't really want fairness. they want unfairness ... in their favor.'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if they want to get out they should be able to, like say an extremist with an agenda on tearing down a country from the inside out'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'or just an average joe blow '
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if they abandon the shit that causes the highest murder rate where they come from before leaving, and don't proliferate it on the place they arrive at, then they're maybe not bolstering hidden motives'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'or if that's not sufficient this time i *really* REALLY promise :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'yep. when you immigrate, you should follow the laws of your new country, not try to bring your old country with you'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but otherwise, it's like two cells sharing information on how best to destroy one another, only one of them is pretending to be another and another is getting destroyed as a result'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ladgar: 'amen'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the USA does not want the excess populations of nonChristian sexaholics, so preventing immigration is important  '
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'austria got international criticism for its decision that if muslims want to exist in their country, they have to obey the laws of that country, or risk having every single mosque torn down within its borders'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'I'm thinking that would make a good campaign slogan...THIS TIME I REALLY PROMISE'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but those little mosques are where the criminal's went to worship, do you see no disease rotating around them?'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'i spose it will be something other than that though :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Republican Ryan "promises" that taxcuts for the rich are more important than medicaid for the elderly and the disadvantaged'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'should be happy if they promise what you don't want...they invariably break their promises'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'were the ancestors of republican Ryan those rich irish landlords that drove the poor irish out of ireland'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'meh, both parties are the same damn thing'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'different talking points, same old shit.'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'why do liars even get the opportunity to sit in the highest seat i the land?'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Because we let them.'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they should be charged for treason and slander if they don't live up to their promises while campaigning'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'liars get to spout their gibberish on debate'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'agree Necroshine ...the deal was your vote for thier policy...once they're in they can take their policy back but you can't take your vote back'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'perhaps those deluded incompetent ifnoramuses on debate that speak incoherently and ambiguously on debate merit being hanged drawn and caned'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'What, Xyliz, you want to be hanged drawn and caned?'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'like getting ripped off by a used car salesman'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'Because your comments tonight have been characterized by a complete lack of coherence.'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'ifnoramuses: conditional ignoramuses'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'yeah, that shouldn't be the way it is, as soon as a politician doesn't actively pursue his promises, he should have his right to be there invalidated'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'well necro, sometimes other stuff might come up'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'nothing to do with time limits, what you promised to do with them'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'other stuff always comes up you mean'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz turns some of the big guns at Majic
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'yeah, but sometimes it makes sense to go back on a few of your talking points to work harder on the others.'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'unfortunately, there isn't a perfect system ... one of the real issues imo is that people go out and vote for whomever they saw last on TV or whatever.'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'or 'i'm just going to vote straight republican/democrat' without even looking at their records'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'but there isn't really any way to MAKE people be informed voters who research the choices :P:P'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Stephen Colbert is discussing: second-hand smoking is as dangerous as gay homosexuality'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'it doesn't matter...just look at obama's last campaign...he knew what people wanted to hear and he told them that...but nothing changed'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Barack Obama did most of things promised, no thanks to the traitorous sabotaging republicans'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'err what promises did he keep?'
T3/r3/2011-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daagar: 'His kids have a dog'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'anyway thanks for listening...i feel a little bit better'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'things in canada are usually funny, the NDP when it was in government made some of the most beneficial to canada policies in existance, including public health care if i recall correctly, and a government owned oil corporation (since all these foreigners own all the oil monopolies now)'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the liberal government makes where its main support votes come from wealthy in some way or another, or the most influencial supporters wealthy, while building a half a bridge across a lake in the northwest territoris that never got finished, for instance, they cancelled also the conservative helicopter or something in like plan invested by mulroney when cretien was in charge, which after he was removed the next prime minister continued'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'delayed things, might have had one or two ok policies but spent more in wasting resources than was probably gained'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the conservatives want to cut corporate tax and let those foreigners live with ease, while investing heavily in the military, inventing new laws, new mandatory sentence times, (corporate prison systems as in america), legalizeing prostitution, and investing heaviliy in the military'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the NDP on the other hand would seem to take things by priority, in opposition to these two contradictory governments'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but corporations own the media, and therefore they own what the people know about the candidates, which they assume involve only liberal and conservative choices'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'the corporation were nurtured in the US but they've now flown the coup...why stay in the US when you can produce for a greatly lesser labor cost?'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'yeah, i read about alot of investment in mexico, where there are no labour laws and any attempt at inventing unions would be met with cartel executions or replacement of the influx of poor mexicans'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'china and walmart and stuff, all like to get their cheap unfair labour down there'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'along with peddling the cocaine on the side'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'as an example, it's not like investing your business there prevents crime at all, it only circulates the criminals around your factories searching for ways to smuggle their drugs into america, where it's snorted up, and recruiting people underpaid to get those smuggling operations into play'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'thats why the US is suffering...and bad luck that there's no remedy'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'isn't that how it works?  i read something along that way'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'imperialism and its many holes, and those who know all about it but don't act cause they get paid so much from their investments, preservation of the dollar is #1 priority'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'be an interesting experiment to invest in several secretly military compounds posing as factories in mexico, and keep records of the people approaching you to infiltrate their business, and eventually overtake all manufacturing facilities like this (uncorruptible mind you) thereby rallying up all of the frontmen of the cartels who corrupt the workers'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'an assassinated mayor or politician 3 times in a month ought to make you wonder'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'some places in mexico the cops are afraid to go to, cause they're just too violent and well-armed'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'in a month or two i read that police corruption was uncovered in several police stations across mexico'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and in border towns within america'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it's obvious that police aren't sufficient to weed out organized criminals'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'need some soldiers who can't be bribed'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'that's all from the news, what do you think?  liberty as dictated by killers or liberty as freedom from them?'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'was that statue in new york erected by narcotics smugglers and rapists, or by people who didn't want them among their nation?'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you can't grow coca in new york unless you have hydroponic's, you can only grow opium during summer, or with hydroponics, around the ecuator they don't have this problem'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'there's alot of factors to consider in the deal'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'do you think the drug cartels in mexico are more difficult to take down than the taliban, who seems to not care who they kill?'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they murder people of different interpretations of the quran if what aljazeera reports is how it is'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'considering the billions of dollars involved, as if they could hide it...there must be collusion'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'yeah, i like watching that forbes list of richest men on earth and noticing the exponential increases in wealth of certain members of the list'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'imo, with the oppression of the mexican citizens by the drug cartels and their en-masse in the face of murder protests against the drug baron's in the streets of mexico and stuff, it would appear that america would have support for a war on their main narcotics (and organized crime through those) rings within america/canada and south america/mexico, if they were to offer the mexican government some assistance in developing a non-narcotics industry(s) that citizens could co-operate within and developing a stronger set of civil rights'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'no need for annexation, as the mexican president himself is the maybe only one battling organized criminals within mexico'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'all he needs is some assistance with the problems'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'go buy yourself some Israeli-invented nano-tech body armor to arm your soldiers with, making the bullets from the cartel members ineffective, 25 times stronger than kevlar at 1/10 the weight'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'then you can tear down the trunk of the tree that brings it to your local gangs'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'while assisting the mexican people'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the thing is not to abuse them while you're there, and allow them to organize themselves given a framework into a more safe nation to live in'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'then monitor all pressure from countries south and across the ocean from them to descend back into the state you retrieved them from'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'maybe the drug market is the only reason the corporations still have an interest in the US...but when that lode becomes uneconomic...'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'no need to plant a government there or start a war, you can assist on a war on crime, and like i said, soldiers who aren't mistreated while in the military and are loyal to the future who can't be bought, would be the ones to send in there'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i read one story about a ecuadorian group of people who grow cocoa (chocolate), and their organizer made public his agreement with his workers that all proceeds from people who buy this product will be distributed fairly among the people'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'so you see, with things like that in mind, there are people in south america and places across the globe who do want fairness, and honest employment'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but who owns the media, who owns the corporation's, who owns the money who is already too rich to be humanly responsible for any crimes committed in his name or hers, battles against such honest ventures'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Pleiades blames the liberal media
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'it's in the congressional record that JP Morgan bought up the media in 1913'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'radiation from japan detected as far away as ontario canada'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'that's incredible distances, they say stuff is too far away to worry about, but consider how the icelandic volcanoe's ash was found in newfoundland along with the european coasts'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'there's currents in the sky that carry clouds of things all over the place, mingling with clouds the radiation rainds down'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'then they say the percipitation from the gulf of mexico commonly rainds down over eastern states in america, and with this comes some of the dispersant chemicals they used (instead of peat moss which would most likely have been a more money-saving, permanant and clean solution), some of whose components are extremely toxic to humans'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they showed pictures of foliage with burn marks on it from the rain'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'what the fuck are they up to anyways?  is it all fabricated through the media to fuck with peoples heads or are they really this stupid?'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'downplayed is usually the case they state'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'how is anything going to grow and cancer going to be dealt with?'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and they cover up all ov the alternative energy and architectural idea's that were abundantly available since before fossil fuels dominated the world, some of them, and all that popped up since then'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'demanding a constant use of fossil fuels where there isn't always a neccessity for them'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'passive turbines for instance riding the waves on the ocean like a platoon accumulative energy methods that are nondestructive'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'with reservation's of destructive fuels when neccessary'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they never do consider things optimally, only destructively with money as their salvation'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'the ABC here in oz is giving us a snowjob...not just a snowjob a full on blizzard'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'then they'd have to observe the degradation that mirrors cause upon the reflection, and choose their materials well, such as i understand a whitewashed wall to be a better reconductor of light bouncing around than tinfoil or a mirror, both of which deteriorate the amount of pure light that reflects from them'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'mis'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you know how they treat those retarded boys in their lsd laboratories, according to history and stuff like that'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'mis'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you caught me though'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dagnir: 'not a miss. take it off tech'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'lets look at the maturity of the us marine corps sticking broom handles up peoples assholes, and laughing about their bonding rituals'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'now, would i be so mature as to partake in their rituals, or be labelled a imbecile cause i'm not as them?'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'what did they say about chinese girls again, if their feet are too big according to legend?'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'or what happened to a thief in market's hands?'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'all of that requires a great degree of justice and maturity, as the rich never have to steal and can see through the point when they are in the thiefs shoes'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'or , is that only a matter of arrogant perception, my mature coherts'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'would fuck be better than fellatio?  i heard the 'norms' having a giggle at a 'comedian' using fellatio in his 'skit' tonight and figured it would be a fitting alternative'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you can't answer my question there and resort to insulting my intelligence, which notices more possibilities in acknowledgement than yours projects'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'who's the real simpletom?'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'at least i have a few end products to use in description of my technologically linked mystery'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine, the use of sexual-cuss-words indicates that you at some level believe you are speaking inaccurate crap'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'are you sure it's not a result of my observation of your inadequate dribbling statements regarding my preferred schizophrantic approach to describing reality, as you perceive the real to be impossible?'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'want a duality principle then there's a tooth for a tooth, lets swap and see who's bites harder right'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'in other words, you rose the stimulus you're a retard arguement in viably proven ways that are redundantly clausible and efficiated through several charicatures upon the internet's framework observation of my personality and cause and effect principals in accordance with your job description, and with my response duely justified, attempted to make the plausible implosible through a framework bull dancing tactic, olay'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'do you understand that?  it's how i see you're methods as being ultimately capped and peaked by and upon'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine, you are far too immature and crude to be of much value currently'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'since you're focusing on psychology and psychiatry , i delve into the tools you could have at your disposal'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'that's correct'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i sort of rigged your game chaotically, if that's how your transposing me to your gleaming ideology, we'll see who's definable and herdable in the end, my body or my mind within yours, to the victor the spoils as they say'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'a old metaphor there, see if you can see the flag or not'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine, "clausible", "efficiated", "charicatures", "duely", "implosible", "olay" <-- not in the current dictionary Xyliz uses'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"principal" is not a "principle"'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i modify words like i want, sometimes for the purpose you're pointing out'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'implosible such as sizeable and implosion'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'olay as a bullfighter may speak, within the context of a bar of soap'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'duely as dual payment to a inane arguement'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'charictures as in a church with a character within i guess?'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but there's a cat with them'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'efficiated was making efficient, the referee sayeth, clausible was a misdenomer of santa clause claus with a  likeness'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'or whatever you like, i like speaking out of comprehension of robotic vortices'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'keep it coming, i'll invent a new word for you to pick at here and there'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you can also say implosible was making an implausible implausible'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you can pronounce o as au if you prefer'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'sort of like X tchi'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'interesting how things can be wired together to make a coherent sentence that contains most of the elements of consideration within it, in few words or less'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"implausible" is not spelt "implosible", and "implosible"/"implosable" as "able to be imploded" is incoherently out-of-context in the debate statement of [13 Apr 06:54:05] by Necroshine'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'people say i talk about nothing, but that's probably because they can't comprehend what i'm talking about, or they can but fear it'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'wrong, Necroshine is incoherent'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'to me it's common knowledge and deep speculatory discourse, to them it's the ravings of a madman, or subjects that they take for granted dictated by the laws of the 'norms' cause everybody loves raymond'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'ent or ant'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'one comes from the lord of the rings, the other can find its way through most building materials'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'does Necroshine play chess above the level of a putz'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'there's people who get paid to study possibility, and even people who get paid for performing rituals and things like that, i'm my own debauchery but i don't deny truth when confronted with it, i might just find something else to focus on - the lsd imperitive, i dreamed before i took lsd, did you?  who imagined that an atom was circular, dear astronomer, the darkside of the sun and the amount of luminiscience given off by the night sky in comparison to the sun'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'there's lots of ways religions can come to be, and philosophers can draw their philosophies, science started out as a series of observations and assumptions'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'when playing FIDE chess, not permitted to change the rules and play faerie chess'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'language started out as a mystery, and was mysteriously recorded to be confounded at a place called babel in iraq (they assume)'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'when slicing a strip of bacon, don't put your finger under the knife'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'seems to be common sense, do you mix religion, philosophy and rule in politics?'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'do you preach aliens on tv while having no factual evidence to back up your claims, dear master physicist'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz cojectures: "when speaking new concepts, adhering to the current language is required.  If changes are required to the language to be able to communicate the new concepts, those language changes must be defined coherently and consistently and be viable"
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'old english varies drastically from current english, observe a original transcription of the rape of lucrece for instance, you might be tongue tied with tangents of this form, or enlightened as to the where did this and that come from phenomenon of the replacements, i pointed out several words that should be words but aren't due to some absent reasoning, such as monarchial obscurity and intelligent design of ignorance'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'as the bible says 'we deal with spiritual wickedness and principles of darkness in high places''
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the absence of moses as the figurehead from satanic cults for instance, indictive of unintelligent design, uninformed cultists who are bible scholar's who drew the frameworks, observing that satan was against moses and his law, as was jesus at the time of his unjustified crucifixion by its servants hands - '
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'jesus somehow becomes the focal point of satanic worshippers angst, while moses is left in the shadows'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'so what conclusions can you draw?  satan and jesus took different approaches to the biblical god, both versus the human law, one conformant the other not - but setting satan against jesus in their frame of mind instead of versus the older enemy who wrote of him in the old testament'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"and if thy language/light be corrupted/dark/evil, then how great shall the corruption/darkness/evil be"'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'to me this says that israelites/levites/abrahamic religious schools of thought planned and directed every satanic cult, or nearly every, since their first inception in the modern world'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'reading factual absence, the voice in my head speaks to me of its meaning, or rather the reasoning is there and i put words upon it as a conveyance'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'then we can attempt to derive the purpose's, the reason's and the factualities from those searches, as weighed on a scale of likeliness - this is the course of thought of somebody who is not in the know but knows that there is some people working behind the mystery - if you see what i mean'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"Neither do men light a candle and put it under a bushel (of incoherence), but upon a candlestick, that it may shine to all that are in the house."'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'so, there is my observation, call it a candle for satanism, or a candle for christianity as not perverted by a church, or a candle for truth - but the more i search the more i find, as was shown that phone never left my mind'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'when something mysterious occurrs in my life i always search for a reason why, or my subconscious mind seeks reasonings that can fit into a pattern that defines its phenomenon - some things can't be explained seemingly by earthly magnifolds, but other things can '
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and unlike alot of people, i don't shy away from subject matter for fear of being destroyed as a result of considering it - that is a roadblock in science'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"But if thy language be incoherent thy whole exposition shall be darksome. If then the language that is in thee, be darkness: how great shall the darkness be"'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'hrm, mangled scriptures'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"But if thy language be fickle corrupt thy whole exposition shall be incoherent darksome. If then the corrupted light that is in thee, shine as incoherent darkness: how irrelevant shall the darkness be."'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the language of the shadows, what mysteries it holds, i read that whole sentence and seen nothing expressed in large words, simpleton'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'do you take that personally?'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'how come such simple observations require such large gestures to reach understanding of?  could it be, har krishna, that they are very arcane after all, and require a deep siated inquisition in order to trifold into a sentient conception?'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the bible's full of mystery isn't it, or any scriptural text, not for the understanding to grasp the reality of, or the angel to reveal the diction of to the master they speak on behalf of'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i consider things as they seem to be, if there's a deity behind their masks i search for that deity, if that happens to be a human i discredit the religion as divine since i found its source'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'same goes for philosophy , if i observe a earlier surviving philosophy that discusses in part what another philosopher is credited for, while expounding upon discourses of possibility far beyond that what is credited to somebody else, i consider that philosopher to be a wiser man as he concludes several more angles and touches upon several more angles than that of the strict minded one who took a slice and leaft the loaf to rot'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if two people who never met and never shared information through other people or through books arrive at a philosophical conclusion regarding any subject, then it might be that their discovery holds true for the introspection of anybody who searches for it'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'there's two base natures to a person, the physical and the metaphysical, i think, each wars against the other, and those mixtures in politics confound each school of thought through inane babble and miscongruences of facts and philosophy'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"siated" is not recognised as a valid word -- "trifold" assumes a process that was neither previously established nor accepted as valid nor relevent'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i think it's possible that they are individual beings that exist codependently on earth, words are like a medium for telepathy within the earth base level, but there may be a metaphysical realm which can transfer thoughts directly, what your words hold may be an essence of yourself if you write them with understanding'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i told you i would toss in some words that you would disseminate'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'by trifold i meant the agreement of imagination, fact and reality - something to be considered'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"trifold" (is likely an adjective not a verb and) is not in the concise dictionary'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'trifle is though: piddle: waste time'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'spend one's time idly or inefficiently '
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'remarkable contrast trifold understanding coule bring to the trifle in the dictionary'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'what do you figure'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'that defined concept of "trifold" as "the agreement of imagination, fact and reality" is debatable, even the word "reality" alone is debatable'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i don't see what's debatable about reality, Anhur did become the wife of Isis though, in the roman progeny of foreign wargod usurplation in their warfare campaigns, for Shu was agreeably more a conceptual deity than one of the flesh'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'Is is not is not'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"fact" may be redundant in that alleged "trifold" definition'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'duality of the macabre anhur phenomenon, who's his next consort, dare it not be imagination'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'now to destabilize the chaotic realm of thought'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'we have accluded that is really isn't and perception thereof as undeniable by the facts gathered through the freudian mind frame, are actually opinions of a fading reflection of debatable origin and essence'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'now , from this maelstrom of chaotic entropies, can we tackle the infinity of thought with a defineable contradiction, or leave it be, uniform apocalypse'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Redryn is attempting to be "obtuse" by suggesting the 1 fatality in 30,000 is an effective killing strategy'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Redryn?  Obtuse?  You don't say?'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'no, that's what you were suggesting :p'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'if Redryn suggests "dense", then perhaps Xyliz suggests "obtuse"'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'atomic theory is not double-edged'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but reality is up for debates, what do they use it for and what should it be used for, if you weren't a homiopathic serial killer'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'electric cars with "i-ching" - unbelievable'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'an inappropriate "back when" is misspelt "back then"'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'before the Pearl Harbor attack of December 7, 1941, that brought the U.S. openly into World War II.  Kaufman's fervent proposal for the systematic sterilization of the entire German population was given respectful attention in the American press, including reviews in a number of newspapers. A review in the weekly Time magazine, March 24, 1941, called Kaufman's plan a "sensational idea."  "American Federation for Peace." The first edition of this slim volume was published in 1940 or early 1941. A second, 96-page edition, which sold for 25 cents, was published in 1941 by Argyle Press of Newark, New Jersey.  http://www.ihr.org/books/kaufman/perish.html'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/gargzdai/holocau.html June 22, 1941 June 24, 1941 September 14 and 16, 1941. '
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'is it just me, or does it seem as though this man who wrote this book kind of preceded pearl harbour and the beginning of holocaust as reported by history?'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i'm skeptic about whether or not hitlers goal was eradication of jewish people from the start, you know, seeing things like this and the outcome's, it appears that jewish people from america and abroad were making war with him and being members of a belief system that they share he may have seen them as stalin may have seen the over 20 million citizens he murdered for being 'worthless' or 'traitors''
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'imo, it's possible that japan was ordered by hitler to strike before america joined into the war, and subsequently the antagonists over there's relatives were rounded up because of this genocidal threat coming from their ethnicity in america'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'seeing as how america was rallying its citizens into it after the work of this genocidal bastard'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'like i said, europe's nations have been at war with eachother since 200 ad and before'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'according to history, why did america get involved, canada had their crown loyalty to britain to sacrifice itself crossing the ocean for, america?  they seem to have harboured jewish media leaders who promoted their genocide'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the same author wanted american's sterilized to prevent a group of homicidal maniacs if that tale's true'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'what would you do if somebody was preaching murdering everybody in your country, who sat in a seat of authority and had media support and government puppets to follow his orders, with a large arsenal at their disposal?'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'what did america do to people they thought were soviets in the 1950's?'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it seems that if history here is correct, germany was raped and pillaged and genocided, even the ones who had nothing to do with war'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'congradulations jews, who's nation is composed of a pure breed that considers all others infidels'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you really portray a correlating mind-frame to that of that author'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'makes me sick to see what historical facts you leave out of your ww2 stories'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'making it look like everybody who survived is a war hero, are you sure those people aren't pretenders who you see confessing the version stories?'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i'm skeptic'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'At his direction the German press played up Kaufman's call for genocide. A front page article about the book in the Berlin daily Der Angriff, July 23, 1941, appeared under headlines that called it a "Diabolical Plan for the Extermination of the German People" and a work of "Old Testament Hatred." Extracts also appeared, for example, in the nationally-circulated weekly paper Das Reich, August 3, 1941.'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'Germany's propaganda chief, Joseph Goebbels, seized with delight on the book. "This Jew [Kaufman] has done a disservice to the enemy," Goebbels privately commented. "If he had composed the book at my behest he couldn't have done a better job."'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'A plan similar to Kaufman's was issued during the war years by a prominent American anthropologist. In an article headlined "Breed War Strain Out of Germans" in the New York daily newspaper P.M., January 4, 1943, Ernest Hooton laid out an "outbreeding" plan that would "destroy German nationalism and aggressive ideology while retaining and perpetuating desirable German biological and sociological capacities." (See also: Benjamin Colby, Twas a Famous Victory, 1974, p. 131.)'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'ah, the systematic rape and murder of all survivors'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'planting the righteous seeds of the devil'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it's no wonder i always hated people'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'dirty bastards from dirty ancestor bastards'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you can invalidate the jews claim to israel with a passage from the bible, where the devil (jacob) pretends to be esau, to slander the elder brothers inheritance from his dying father'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'another page turned in unreported history, it's marvellous what you find when you search'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'now if only i could scourge aljazeera to find the threats israel makes to america to tear it down from the inside out if it doesn't work in israel's interests'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'do you usually believe what a news agency tells you or do you reserve that for ones that agree with your preconceptions?'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i read what i read and fit it into place when it lines up with a proven theory'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and what the news reports is what the news reports, dead al jazeeran reporters can't all be liars'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'perhaps, but believing one news source because 'they must be telling the truth, everyone else hates them' isn't the best way to search for truth'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'maybe sometimes some survive and report something that wouldn't otherwise be reported, and some monitor attempts to censor or alter those reports'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'now, if you just want to search for stuff that lines up with what you already think, feel free.'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'what do you search for?  do you believe the earth is flat or round?'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'I've been high enough to see that it's round :P'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'nothing bad going on in the world today, it's why that man over there is covered in grease and that one over there is bathing in the sun'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i catch a lead and look for cross-referencable materials and alternative views collectively considered weighed on a scale of 1 to 1 and see which one prevails as the most likely'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'what i choose to research is based upon what catches my interest, such as untold stories that apparently happened, a coin that always lands tails up or heads up'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'many of the 'untold stories' are untold because they didn't actually happen, that's why they've got just one or two sites talking about them -- someone has decided it's a good way to get attention.'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'history is written by the victor, and the majority of wealthy jobs rely on mass-ignorance to remain as they are - what's the harm in understanding why somebody's dying in a desert across the ocean, while hollywood wasn't a target, which is used to program peoples minds, by the suicide airplane pilots?'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you see, there's a very shady undecision made there, and a questionable misdenomer by a man who employs religious mind control in order to recruit suicide bombers'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'that facet of opium addicted america more than likely didn't miss his scales'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'so, there is some reason behind it, and that reason will never be openly addressed by the minds behind it'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'leaving one to use scales and weigh facts as reported and observed with possibilities and assumptions based thereon'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'yeah, it's so open, like the story of why the american supreme court cut exxon valdez's 1989 20 billion dollar bill down to 500 million in 2007'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'that really did happen, only the story behind why was never publicized'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'early on, Hitler's goal was for each area to contain one ethnic or 'racial' group'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'hence the nazi support for resettling Palestine'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that is not particularly secret'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that the nazis largely imported eugenics from the US, which was the world leader in that particular business, is also not very secret :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'not all germanic people hated jewish people though, and they made blanket statements which preached that they did'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada shrugs helplessly.
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'one man represents all men here, they say, we even found two and three, and some subordinates - damn lets rape all of the unarmed civilians and murder the male's so the demon seed is no longer existant - you know what i mean?'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'who's the demon now?'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'there isn't, and has never been, a war without atrocities committed on both sides.'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'except for the holy wars started by the US, obviously'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Majic rolls her eyes in disgust at Tinada.
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada meeps at Majic!
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'now exxon got a 20 billion dollar grievance allowance in 1989, a dollar was worth alot more back then - amazingly enough the settlement for BP was 20 billion dollars, and the dollar is worth less'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'I wasn't going there ... but of course there have been atrocities committed by US in those wars. :P'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'do you believe that they will live up to that day's pay agreement?'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'those were 'accidents' or 'enhanced interrogation techniques''
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada rapidly nods twice to himself, in complete agreement.
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it's truely incredible that human's who support governments haven't instituted people to oversee these corporation's and the buying and selling of people in office for their support'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if you represent a group of people you should do just that, not your own fat ass piggy bank for some strange genocider across the ocean'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It's government of Wall Street, by Wall Street, for Wall Street. The politicians are doing their job and supporting the groups that got them elected!'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and pure race you speak of, if you read them wiki links there by racism in a country, you may notice that 2/3 of israeli's polled won't live in the same apartment as a arabian person, and the places called israel are basically every single one of them, believing to be holy seeds of moses'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'yeah, i can see that, i call it berlin wall street sometimes'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'do unto others as you would have others do unto you, there are verses in the old testament which they adhere to which claim the same logic and train of reasoning - since orthodox jews tend to hate the idea of jesus christ'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'really does make me wonder who started it though, looking at the atrocities committed today, along with the people credited to the media's controversial content's ancestry (ethnicity), country of origin and things like this - the reasoning ability is definitely there'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'What two dark elves do behind closed doors is their own thing.. However gross it might be. lol'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kurojiryuu: 'testing'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You failed.  Please self-terminate at this time.'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'White House spokesman Jay Carney says Congress must raise the debt limit: "The reality is the United States is the largest economy in the world. It is looked to around the globe as the anchor of the world economy and must establish, through this vote, its creditworthiness"..."You need to take very seriously the need to raise the debt limit so that the full faith and credit of the United States government is maintained around the globe."'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that's not what I learned in business school'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly.
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cide: 'so we are the largest economy so we shoudl have the largest debt! makes sense to me :P'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'maybe if I borrow more money, I too will have increased creditworthiness!'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'oddly, yes.'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'doesn't work with Norwegian banks though :('
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'blinking script -- by players -- that be cool!!!'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(tech) Send(" ") is so verbose -- all that genuflecting and obeising in Mushclient ... does the job though, may assist editing searches .. overall (parse-speed) rating: bleh'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'dumbkoff mages and clueless nonmages believe that mage damage must mostly come from spells - such ignorance is almost appalling'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'dumbkoff?'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'word of the day (circa 1960s and earlier)'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Apparently that idea is making its rounds in the forums as well'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(tech) almost as though USB was designed by those that believed that programming USB by others was a "mud goal" - a "challenge" with insufficient information that every hardware/software manufacturer must blunder through until the fraggled deep-pockets consumer gets a decent USB product'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Salvanas peers intently at Xyliz.
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(barter) the "Six-Million Dollar Visor of Lornaco" is deceptive advertising -- a manor pie is not wearable at the eyes slot.  Tricking players (searching for level 1 equipments) into typing bid ### is in poor taste.'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'so, is that , illegal?'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'were Tir-via tokens illegal ?!'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'there is a manor pie called cocaine.'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'surely its wrong.. but its all about legality'
T3/r3/2011-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'speaking of which...'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'DEFCON 17: Hardware Trojans: Infiltrating the Faraday Cage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-En1RJAc4g definitely interesting, subversive network protocols hosted over power lines and through the microchips in your system (and PSU), a step beyond the ethernet and internet'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'question is, how much safeguards are in place to subvert the subversive applications of such a interesting thing?'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'if there were any safeguards there would be no subversion :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'maybe , i heard of government leasing its computers 'procurement' from places such as dell and other foreign industries'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i guess highly sensitive things would take it all into account though'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, let me explain something to you...'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'there is a new commercial for Bank of America. In this commercial people are amazed that the atm machine can actualy print out the denominations of the bills they deposited...'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'ah, similar to how public faith is considered worth the price of paying off the holes in the security the public trust gave them in the 80's'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'they make it sound near miraculous, forgetting, that any laundromat change machine has been able to do the same for the last 15 years.'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ekin: 'I dont understand'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'iirc'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'the point being those awe-struck humans are among those who work for the government at set its policies.'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'when Dell and CO. comes to a government officer and says "we can do this" the officer goes oooooooooo.'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'and they buy "this".'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'like people switching to BofA because the ATM machine prints out bill denomination. Never mind that the technology is 20 years old.'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i'm intrigued by that one US Senator who established a corporation to be head of american technological security and then retired into the CEO position of it, having no knowledge of computer security'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ekin: 'maybe we need more engineers around'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'the real point of this is that Dell is a scam artist.'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i guess among the awestruck nobles some of these sorts of people, mentioned by Lenin in the 1917 interview would be present'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'We need Neo to break the matrix!'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ekin: 'hah'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'how someone can come to power without knowledge of the supporting technology is beyond me. The fact that they do only reflects poorly on the governed for allowing such travesty.'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'for real'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ekin: 'I kinda blame declining manufacturing '
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'There is the argument that both positions of power are managerial rather than technical'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'a manager that doesn't understand technology is going to be scammed at one time or another.'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ekin: 'yeah.. If we over emphasise selling imported stuff others make we're going to forget the technicals right?'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Yup - I wasn't even trying to play devil's advocate, just stating the reason for why it's possible'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'this the XXIth century, most people's view of technology is that it is some sort of magic.'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i like the way Kerningham and Richie wrote their C manuals, leaving nothing mysterious and explaining how things are, with a overview of prerequisite language and a introduction to its standards, along with how they arrived at C'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'as though they weren't in it for the money, i guess maybe they're already rich, but they wanted the reader to understand and left it in a self-sufficient manual for anybody to pursue'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it's not as though all people who had a hand in developing technology at its framework to how it is today wanted people to be ignorant of how it works, that's all monopoly's fault'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'is abortion moral?'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ekin: 'oh man'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheni: 'Necesary evil'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'abortion is amoral. Morality is attributed, though.'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i think that any computer system that is used for any government or military application, or containing records of citizens for use in either, should be developed by members of that nation and not bought from a private interest'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I think having kids is immoral.'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'then you don't integrate foreign governments into your national security'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine i'd rather that it be paid for here in the usa, contain government files on american citizens, and be administered by jakarta'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ekin: 'the step before abortion is amoral'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling, i no longer consider you a potential love interest.'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ekin: 'open everything'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Thank Christ'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'theotikos baby ^_^'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'for real though, once i heard you worked at waffle hut, and i was like omg i want to date a chick that can make waffles'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'then when i learned it wasnt true, i felt less interested.'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and now that i know you dont want kids...'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): VampireDude shakes his head.
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'you are not the girl for me.'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ekin: 'hobb'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i think... i will end of conversation and go get a snack'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'Germany, in many respects, is the least lovable country in the Western world, not only for their unforgettable Nazi past, but also due to the hard power materialism and reactionary politics of the German success story.  http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/04/201141384817483183.html#  how come even aljazeera misses the american eugenics threat which seem to precede the holocaust and pearl harbour?'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'people always look at one side of the story that they want sold and damn people based on it instead of considering things like cause and effect'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and any crimes committed by germany since 1947 or so were committed by the UN operating through germany'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you do know that al jazeera is as "real news" as Fox is, right?'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'some of it seems to be more informative than some of other new agencies'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'but they seem to be the only nation sensible enough to want to ditch nuclear power...that makes me like them...naziism seems to have migrated back to its country of birth :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's not.'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i hear alot about russian nazi groups on documentary's and stuff like that, and surrounding countries of russia'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but the thing is that these groups are said to take commands from people in parliament there, and russia committed innumerable crimes against humanity against germany and itself during ww2'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'naziism began in the ford factory early last century...the factory initiated all the features of naziism on a small scale...and henry and adolf loved each other...hitler had a portrait of henry hanging on the wall behind his desk'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'a sort of pilot plant'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i didn't know that, it's possible i guess'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'the state as a machine'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'what i think occurred during ww2 preceding the eugenics programs/holocaust, is that after hitler caught wind (why would HE WANT america to join the war?) of this jewish wall street author's novel's in 1940-1941 and how they were praised by teh american media (hitler knowing the government and interests pupeteer that), observing whether or not america is preparing to go for war, informed japan or asked for their assistance in taking out an airforce base on hawaii'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and collected people who were members of the same religion as the man printing those books in america into enclosures, awaiting america to get involved'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'read Robert Lacey's book 'Ford' it's pretty amazing and enlightening :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'otherwise he may have rerouted them or left them be, as his main objective seems to have been conquering europe'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and if you think he's the only man in history to attempt that, or the only nation standing today, then you're wrong'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'also read Antony Sutton's book 'Wall St and the rise of Hitler' for some eye opening knowledge'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you hear about people dying from tuberculosis (which they say is also on the rise across the world today) in historical 19th century reports, and you hear the scientists claim that it's probable that alot of these cases were cancer which they had no diagnosis for back then - but what if those actual cancer cases were situated around area's with radioactive material's around them, it seems people usually didn't settle down around those area's, and situated near where coal fire's and things like that were more common?'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i tried searching for a chart detailing the amount of cancer cases for every year since 1900, and there is none'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they say that the process of mining uranium, for instance, leaves behind and releases several radioactive particles that can travel thousands of mile's from the site where they were excavated, and they say that cancer is partly a result of confused cellular structures (which radioactivity may cause), thyroid cancer may be linked to people getting x-rays which are probably often taken to check for cancer'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'so what if all of these industries are the reasons why cancer exists in a large scale, and why is it that alternative solutions and mixtures and architectural solutions and mixtures, etc, get ignored instead of capitalized upon to phase out the use of the toxin's where they aren't 100% neccessary or naturally occurring?'
T3/r3/2011-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'money alone, or is there some strange evil administration behind it?'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if resurrection involved teh reanimation of material reality into semblences of mortal forms, and mortal forms consumed one another to retain their 'I', what would be the base 'I' which they will resemble at the end?'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the song the essential salts by nile is an interesting consideration, where sometimes an essence of the animal which feasted upon the dead is resurrected with the mummy'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'off to the essenes'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'I am sure things do go on behind the essenes...'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'spiritual 'I' in a spiritual body makes more resurrective sense than reanimated material forms which are recycled, if you're reasoning out resurrection'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'leaves the question of lazarus in the open though, or the disciple at the feast who maybe didn't die'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'try becoming a cult leader, Necro, you sure have the confusing rant part going for you'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i'm too antisocial to make a cult and wouldn't want people erring in my name'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'discussion's free though'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'the problem with resurrection is that violates the prime rule of the ecosystem. Everything must be recycled.'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'http://www.aaets.org/article26.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janus I wonder if somehow that 3 faced statue that was or is said to exist representing the devil is somehow connected to this conceptual Roman god of chaos Janus, with the 3rd face being that of a being who controls the past and the future'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'Sociological Views on the Controversial Issue of Satanic Ritual Abuse: Three Faces of the Devil Mary deYoung, Ph.D.'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'he looks good wearing Prada :>'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i read about it somewhere, some old statue that some author wrote a story around, how that statue first arrived in its formation'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'then there's Ganesh and the decapitated demon to consider in hindu mythology - it's all pretty strange, sort of like the aztecs the norse and the bible bangers have their great flood survivors, two of who's are giants, the other is a human called noah'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'they all came from outer space, Necro. That's why the mythologies are cross-consistent.'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they don't release info on how they all are arrived at or what concepts drew them to the similar conclusions, so i keep strange things like these in the back of my mind because they're mysterious'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'call that foolish if you want, but alot of people seem to believe in extraterrestrial 'high tech' virvum harvesting space cowboys'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i'm not too convinced about that as being the sole cause of mysterious things'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, I don't know about all that. But there is persuasive evidence that aliens landed on earth about 8 to 12K years ago.'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'belief is a terrible measure of truth'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'what does truth have to do with anything? Don't confuse facts with the truth. Truth is what one believes, facts couldn't care less whether they are believed or not.'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No, trith is not belief, truth is facts'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'wrong'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'finding the factual mysteries is like you read about exorcism's and dividing the freudian cases of retardation and self-illusion from those of demonic entities existin within a human body'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, I don't know about that either, Necro :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i think somewhere the profession of exorcism is debunked within the bible pages, but apostles and true followers of the religion as it's said to have existed supposedly had the ability to cast off ailments even including insanity from people'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, if people believe it, it is the truth, according to this new definition of truth.'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'there you go, and it's not a new definition. Read the dissertation by Descartes where he talks about the "ghost in the machine".'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'yeah, i grew out of that, i say that's how you may see things but i'm not convinced that's how they are unless i see for myself after negating the false and arriving at your conclusion'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the movie the seventh gate is marvellous, they should play it on history tv sometimes'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'faced with the possibility of nothing, who can remain sane?  we therefore embodied fear as a mystery named god and worshipped religion to take our minds off of desolation'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the seventh seal it is'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it does have a english subtitled version'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'where the person is debating whether or not god exists, unable to shake the thought from his mind, unable to believe the words taught and written but wondering nonetheless'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'What, you don't know Swedish?'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it's not the native language of canada'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's not a history movie, it's fiction. '
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, the native language of Canada would be Inuit, or Lapp :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but animal farm is a metaphorical look at society taught in elementary school'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'how about lord of the flies, or quote the raven nevermore'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'I bet that in elementary school they don't teach it as a satire but as a children's novel. Just as Swift's satires are taught.'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'BTW, I don't accept your statement about truth, but I need to read some more philosophy to debate it....'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'imo it's historical in that it addresses debate's people have regarding faith, from the atheist to the theist to the agnostic, discoursing on fear and ignorance'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'crimes committed under one and another religion, fictionally but can you call today's worldly crimes fictional?'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'what is the resolve that they arrive at before committing to their deeds?'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'very historically significant imo'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, CSI is fictional.'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'here is truth for you. If you are deceived so completely that you believe that what appears to be, in fact, is. Then that becomes the truth. Notwithstanding the fact that it is not based on reality.'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sounds like a definition of religion to me.'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'so if you believe somebody's up to no good and repeatedly you see phenomenon supporting this belief, but leave the door open for contradictory evidence and weight that against the mind of a con-artist as you understand their minds to operate, to arrive at your truth of their disposition - are you believing in a fairy tale that oyu invented, or a theory that they supported?'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'it is not, but it could be. There is no internal way to discern "truth" as a representation of object reality. Truth is a matter of belief.'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if i drop a rock and believe it fell after dropping 10 will i be illuding myself by believing the next will do the same?'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Got to leave this discussion, my english is not good enough to debate philisophy.'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'there is no conflict between deception and truth, Necro :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'HAI'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thargar: 'my political opinions are better than yours.'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'then enligthen us!'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fastfinge: 'But the man I vote for looks better than the one you vote for. And that's all that matters to the public anyway.'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thargar: 'this is the debate channel not the enlightenment channel !'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thargar: 'neuroscience shows that liberals have more brain development in areas dealing with complexity while conservatives have overdeveloped fear centers.'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CustomNil: 'What is the debate there?'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thargar: 'mis?'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CustomNil: 'Ah.'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CustomNil: 'I was just excited to actually see something in debate.  Sorry.'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thargar: 'it wasnt a mistell i just couldnt think of an answer :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Just wait for Necroshine and Xyliz'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'while intriguing, i'm skeptical about your assertion thargar'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CustomNil: 'It comes from a recent report.'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thargar: 'i choose to believe it because it meshes nicely with my preconceptions about the world'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): RagingFury nods at Thargar.
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Neuroscience has also shown that rational people are more likely to be conservatives, aka bullshit'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CustomNil: 'The original premise fits with policy stances by the two groups.'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Can't quite look to neuroscience for such high-level activity yet imo'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'many of the vocal Republicans in the USA are greedy deliberate liars'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'like i said, intriguing, but i think i can see a problem with the method without even reading the report: conservative and liberal are bad polarizations for political views.. just 'cause someone is "liberal" doesn't mean they are on the same thoughts as another "liberal"'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: '^'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CustomNil: 'It uses those who identify as such.'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'do a google search for 'groupthink''
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fastfinge: 'All of the politicians in the USA are greedy deliberate liars. Fixed that for you.'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CustomNil: 'I understand groupthink.  I'm not sure how it fits in here.'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Republicans are far more dishonest than Democrats'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thargar: 'i am really liberal on most things, yet i love guns :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thargar: 'lots and lots of guns'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'people self-identify as liberal or conservative because society tells them they are one or the other... it's not actually attributable to their own ideas'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'in, i would say a majority of cases (50 percent plus one)'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fastfinge: 'Not from where I sit as a Canadian Xyliz. I have no say in that particular battle, so more or less objectively they both look extremely dishonest. They just tell different lies, to make a different part of the population happy.'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'culture is subjective is what i'm claiming as support (liberal/conservative being culturally defined)'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Fastfinge, do you watch The Daily Show by Jon Stewart'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fastfinge: 'Xyliz: No. News is not, and should not be, turned into entertainment.'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thargar: 'then there is no news at all on the tv'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'invalid excuse, Fastfinger, you lose'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thargar: 'in the usa'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fastfinge is agreeing with that Thargar person again...
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CustomNil: 'I do not think groupthink is really an issue here.  It can cause people to overcome their cognitive dissonance, but it does not define a person.'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fastfinge: 'The only people who do news these days are the BBC, CBC, and NPR. The others can and should be ignored.'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Right, because news monopolies are good'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fastfinge: 'No, they're just better than news as entertainment like CNN and Fox do for ratings.'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CustomNil: 'Al Jazeera is a good news source as well.'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'The Daily Show reaches a lot of intelligen viewers that prefer political news with satire'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fastfinge: 'Satire has no place in a news broadcast. If it includes satire, it is not news.'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thargar: 'thank you all for debating. todays results: thargar wins! later aardwolf my wife is coming home from the hospital !'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'I never implicated that one should watch CNN or FOX - but that is a far cry from saying that only three agencies should be news sources'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fastfinge: 'Well, they're the only three agencies that I can think of who don't pander and report exclusively to get ratings rather than inform people. If you can think of any others, do tell.'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Ever try non-tv news, Fast?'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CustomNil: 'Don't forget Al Jazeera, Fastfinge.'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Al Jazeera, DemocracyNow, any self-called "liberal" news source'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Heck, you could even read socialist newspapers if you could cut through the rhetoric'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"The Suzanne Summers Show" attempted to be factual but was so depressing near the end, the show was unbearable to watch) and the show was cancelled'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'The fact that the Daily Show IS a news source for more people than those who read the NYT shouldn't be discounted as well'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'even though Glen Beck was popular the network decided to distance themselves from the crap Glen was peddling'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'True enough - although O'Reilly is still on the network'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'The Colbert Report also peddles satirical crap, but there is usually no doubt that Stephen Colbert (irl) does not believe the crap peddled on the show'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fastfinge: 'Thesis: hunt is the most useful skill in all of Aardwolf, thanks to the hunt trick, hunting quest mobs, and hunting mobs at the start of areas that don't allow recall.'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'I could agree with that'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'But what about... kick?'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'I think flight is hte most useful skill.'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fastfinge: 'You can get a potion of flight. And kick isn't the only combat skill in the game. Hunt is the only skill that hunts, and cannot be acquired via potion or pill.'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'I was kidding about kick...'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'I think 'help' is the most useful skill.'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fastfinge: 'Help isn't a skill, though. If you type spells or skills it neer shows. So not a skill.'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'sometimes I think it is'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fastfinge: 'But how far does it go? Should everyone primary class ranger for the hunter subclass for hunt? I did it for that reason. I'm trying to think of a playstyle that shouldn't do that, in order to proove that the usefulness of hunt doesn't unbalance the entire class system.'
T3/r3/2011-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Well, I know which class I'm tiering into'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'The trial of a Port Coquitlam man accused of committing war crimes in Bosnia nearly two decades ago has stirred up powerful emotions amongst witnesses who have come from as far as Sweden to testify. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/04/15/bc-branko-rogan-trial.html'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'go figure, crimes against muslims are the reason behind it (crimes against humanity rather, but they are muslims, read alot of interesting horror stories from there) '
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'http://cas-ncr-nter03.cas-satj.gc.ca/portal/page/portal/fc_cf_en/West_List that's strange right there Last Modified: 2006-10-30 but here's an entry Nanaimo April 2011'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i think they're gonna see how eagerly canadian's respond to the accusation's to support their islamic absence of racism (based on faith)'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'in debate channel you can talk about those issues ?'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but i'm a psychoanalyst, so i search for motives before allegations'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the judge judges and the jury debates'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'what do you think?  is he as they accuse him, or going to be falsely judged based upon word of mouth of biased people?'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i see he came from a general area of the world, lets follow him around and show the world some justice'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if he is guilty of torturing people and things like that unjustifiably, then by all means he should be tried and convicted - but if it's based solely upon access to records of emmigration and immigration and fabricated stories that are memorized like a story and then recited to a judge, then those liars should be tried'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'that's my opinion'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I find the concept of war crimes strange, personally I think all war is crime.'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'yeah?  i think war on evil people who get pleasure out of torturing people, or war on ignorance that makes people think unjustified crimes are justified are alright wars to fight'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'I agree with you Ranrr, but it turns out that big boys with big toys set up arbitrary rules to play by'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'And I doubt there is a war against such people'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'there's not really any guarantee that after this life is more life of your essence consciously within it, except by faith - for who has witnessed and considered a majority of general spirituality concepts before filtering their own experiences through their eye witness possibilities?'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'the problem is with wars like iraq, vietnam, korea etc, where the real reason for the war is hidden from the public'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Which is?'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'its hard to beat the one's making the rules'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'to create fear'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Perhaps, but creating fear is not a base motive imho'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'power, oil'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Unfortunately, they didn't have to send in troops for oil - there's a deeper game at play here'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'if were focused over seas, we wont see our enemies in front of us?'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'I can't see the big picture yet - I would need to study for a few years before I could get a glimpse, but I wish it was that simple'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'true, but most wars are not about helping or freeing people, as politicians claim'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'I never believe that BS anyways'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'here in this world where we eat dead animals to survive and things like that, some resistance is required in order to work towards peace on earth and safety for people, if let unchecked the evil multiplies exponentially, as can be seen growing in any given area of the world - some little bit of good energies still existss, but the negativity wipes away their efforts as though they were never made'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'i.e. helping Libya was a complete joke'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'I agree Necroshine, but resistance and war are two different things in my head'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'that's what i think, people on monastery's searching for nirvana and inner-peace, emancipated from the world may be doing so largely because the world is as i said it is, and one man alone can't change things'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'animals are delicious'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'as in "Fried Modi on a bed of lettuce"?'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i guess it is gross though'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't see a connection between eating animals and wars, except that we have some violent tendencies that evolution gave us to survive.'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'yeah, that's what i mean'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'separating the animal nature from the human nature'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'I hate eat animal, no matter pigs or dogs or fishes'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'be that as it may, Ranrr. Evolution also gave us a brain which is rather unique in the animal kingdom. It is capable of delaying a response to any stimulus indefinitely. So the need for aggression doesn't wash.'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, that's why we kill mobs instead of people :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'if we could heal mobs for exp, would we?'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i just blew your minds, huh'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, the point is that instinctual reactions are not human reactions per se, they are inherited. The big difference between humans and other animals is that humans can override their instincts. When they don't, it may be said that humans are acting less than humans :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'that, they would say, is the point'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'if some powerful alliens make Human being food, what will you say ?'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'no eating, no killing'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'would i like to be eaten?'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'that is a good arguement, never thought of that'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i was vegetarian for a year.. dont think i could go back'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'prob gotta be vegan to get the full benefit'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they say you don't get the neccessary stuff from vegetable's and have to take supplements, but i think it's a matter of conditioning your body to gather nutrition from non-animal products, which cells or metabolism got lazy from having those things that animals digest and circulated already circulated'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i'd lean more toward a whole food diet.. some meat, but unprocessed '
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i'd have no problem living off of vegetables, before i got a taste for steak i preferred bbq sauce sandwiches'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'like algae'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I get all my meat from a local farmer, it's grassfed and organic. Tastes better, and low environmental impact. I couldn't eat vegan, I am allergic to carbs.'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'still, something must die for you to live :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'allergic to carbs?'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Are you sure it tastes better? Sometimes our grassfed beef tastes like we went out and bit the cow in the ass'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'it's called ecology.'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'processed, simple carbs?'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'm ok with that.'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Carbs make me overeat.'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'sugar is carbs'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'in all vegs'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Ok, grains are the big problem, not green vegetables.'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'I am a vegetarian,and I do not think it is harm to my health'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'allergic to wheat prob'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No, it's the carbs.'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Some people are born vegetarions, some of us are more carnvors, and most a mix.'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'humans were originally vegetarians, being primates. There must have been some serious deforestation at some point during the neo-evolutionary period to drive them to hunt.'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not all primates are vegetarians.'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'chimpanzees can eat meat'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'chimpanzee's eat monkey's if the video i watched is common - but what drove them to that could be maybe, something like people eating monkey's in front of them along with them, and then adapting to survival trying to fit in with the human's by being more as them'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'true, the overwhelming majority are. It is also true that meat is near-poisonous to humans.'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'or some human's could have bred them to do that and then monkey see monkey do'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'or they were short on food too at some point in time and they did like you think humans may have did'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: '23 people are starving to death in this minute, 3/4 of them are children lived in Africa. '
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Chimps eat about 12% animal products.'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'if well take less meat, nobody will die.'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'there's freshwater lakes in africa larger than some american states'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'adaptation is forced by the environment. If humans were being successful as vegetarians there would have been no need to hunt. The fact that they became hunters implies a change in the ecosystem.'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If I eat less meat, it won't make any difference in africa.'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and there are shovels and machinery which could be used to develop irrigation systems, and lots of ways those people could be not-starving if all of that is correct'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they got a 12 month growing season'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Africa starves because of wars.'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'why, Rannrr. if we eat less meat, less water and oil we spoiled.'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Because food is a local product, anything I don't eat will be thrown away.'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'A old African who lose his eyes in war told me :I hate you who came here for oil! you brought war to African'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'or not produced at all'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'he told the truth,I thougt'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes, oil is a big part of the reason for the wars and hence starvation in africa.'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and diamonds'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So, stop using your car, people in africa are starving!'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'These days food are produced in factory almost,especailly meat. so it costs million tons of oil'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'well he did, since before 1700 i guess the french and english have been running things along the ivory coast, if what history i read is correct - read some stories of captain cook and how he brought gonnorhea and other things to foreign lands and shot dead people in new zealand because they didn't speak the same language - got ssadistic pleasure out of cutting off peoples ears'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You have the option of not buying that meat, as I have chosen.'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'war is more of the effect than the cause'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'tahiti and other places, all domineered by them and enslaved for one purpose or another'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i guess things may be a little different today, but the world sure doesn't look too happy'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, one problem would be that happiness seems to be axiomatic, no one has a definition of it, just an expectation of what it is.'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i don't get any pleasure out of treating people as slaves, and i don't get any pleasure out of being treated as a slave'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'for instance, we could say that a perfectly tuned engine is happy... what would be the parallel for humans? Perfect health?'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'that's physical, think animal, unable to die but be a slave forever to another as you, is that happy?'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i wouldn't say that's the definitive answer'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'Less cars, more bicycles,plz'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, Necro, as far finding pleasure in slaving, I imagine that would be, at best, secondary. Some form of material gain is the main reason for slavery.'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i didnt think slavery was about pleasure either.. dirty business i bet'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'of course it is dirty and dark. sick.'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'it would have to deform a persons sould though'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'whoa, Wenq. Slavery is almost as old as mankind. Roman slaves would disagree with you. They could live almost as well as their owners.'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'in fact, some refused to be set free.'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'was neccessary at some times im sure'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'I do not thinks so, And, I guess Spartacus will agree with me'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'most of us are slaves in one way or another'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'slavery, in one guise or another, has always existed. Where there is empire there is slavery.'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'in the books of moses where the father in law, the priest of midian there, advises moses that it's not good that he judges his entire people instead selects among them judges of 10,000, 1000, 100, 10's etc, and then develops elaborate protocols for slavery, the master is his money and if he strikes his slave to death he can buy his way out of jail for instance, you can maybe see where slavery was adopted by the biblical people'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it was in egypt, in israel, in palestine, in rome, in russia, in today and in maybe all of human recorded history'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'absolutely'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'maybe?'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i'm guessing somewhere in unrecorded history are people who existed absent from slavery, each contributing in part to their community and none hailed above one another'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'Even when there isn't overt slavery, you find a caste system, which will have some people at the bottom of the list, that is tantamount to being a slave.'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'samuel the prophet hated the idea of kings, and by context i guess that would include the ideals of slavery'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'those are the people god is looking for'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, no, not necessarily. He hated the idea of Gentile kings :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'he seen that setting one above another and not treating people equally eventually leads to irrepairable corruption to the society that practices such'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i didnt say kings.. '
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'from what i recall, he was angry at his own children for becoming kings, so that would make him hating the idea of kings in general, i think'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'I was responding to Necro.'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i am a little hung up there on the emergence of jesus and samuels claim that god is displeased by the idea of kings'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'yes, that would be a touchy point. Jesus intended to rule Israel. '
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'the king doesnt want other kings?'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well if you equate a king to an alpha male (queen to an alpha female), then you could say that kings would like to rule supreme.'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'we are all equal in god's eyes?'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'you are putting the cart before the horse :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'king rules whole country just only becase he comes from a royal family. Even he is a barstard. it is not a good system.'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'the smallest weakling is just as important as the highest king'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'if you look at modern governments carefully, you'll detect that feudalism is alive an well in the XIXth century.'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the biblical god is quoted as being 'no respecter of people' 'god considers man as little more than a worm', so from those kind of sayings i would assume that everybody is equally considered by god'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'by that god'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'several times possibly, but there are verses in the king james bible that prophets wrote down that are those sayings'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'not exactly,Anaristos, "Dear Leader" Kim Jong-Il and Obama are not same thing.'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'I am using 4 instances of the server so things are working rather fast.'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'mis :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'The Chinese emperor Han Kao-tsu (ca. 247-195 BC) was the founder of the Former Han dynasty, the first major Chinese dynasty for which there are reliable and fairly full historical records.  http://www.bookrags.com/biography/han-kao-tsu/ He was born a commoner and was one of only two commoners to become emperors of China.'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it's pretty rare where a non-geneological descendent become's a king or emperor, 2 times in over 2000 years?'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'he must have been an uncommon commoner :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, it stands to reason it has to happen at least once, Necro.'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'Clovis, who became Luis I was a commoner by any standard.'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'yeah, history's difficult to interpret, and always seems to include the presence of a dictator in one form or another'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'the reson being that before Clovis there were no French kings :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'Han kao-tsu said he is common, but he has a specail ability : find and use genius. In military, Hanxin (who never lost even one battle), in politic,Xiao He (a great minister)'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if the founder of the egyptian emperor was a murderer who didn't get along with other kids, (kings), would he have had any support in developing his kingdom?'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but over time humans were sacrificed to their shade's at set times in a year, servants fresh from earth sent to the afterlife to worship their dead kings'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'corruption took time to settle in'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'I do not know where we humman being are going. I feel sad, in the planet where 23 people are starving to dead per minute'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, for one thing, by using Sql Server all the processing it's done in the server. All my scripts do is invoke the procedures.'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i think the best writings of a priest from egypt i read was that of Ptah, he seemed to have a sense-of-equality for men and women and respect for people that he taught'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'compiled code vs JIT code, wins every time. I won't even go into the things that can be done that scripting won't allow.'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'oops, sorry'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'if all 6 billnion people living a American-life, we need 3 new planet.'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'I can have any complex relationship built into the database, relatinships that would be very hard to produce in script or perhaps even impossible.'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'sorry, I'll turn the channel off until I finish :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'see you.'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'can't have everybody sitting around and doing nothing, but if everybody shared the load everybody wouldn't be as oppressed, and holiday's would be every day'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'now there's some people who do nothing and reward themselves for it at the expense of millions'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'XIX'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it's XXI isn't it?'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'yes, Necro. Sorry, I meant XXI :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'how come they are able to make untraceable cell phone's but those are unavailable to the public?'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'they are, they're called burners.'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'how come adobe flash player , up until 2-3 years ago, had by default given the ability to remotely view your webcam through any website hosting a flash application to anybody, and camera's are so common on these devices that use it?'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'that's another good question, or how come a device that has 10 functions that used to be 10 devices are sold instead of the 10 devices, which were more expensive when separated?'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cide: 'too much thinking'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'not enough thinking'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'what is thinking ?'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cide: 'thers that'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'weighing things invented by your imagination, perceived through reality, abstracted thereof in some form or another, or directly translateable into dialogue with logic with the scales of your mind and stepping from one scenario to another, in a reasoning pattern that make's some sense to you, or not if you're able to be sporadic - jumping from topic to topic like that man portrayed playing 8 chess game's at once'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Wenq gives a round of applause.
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'with the concept of panopticon in mind and the minotaur's maze now, what do you think is the real reason that they're spreading all of this privacy invading, nature destroying, mediated habit forming technology through the world'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'do you see something like that man in the matrix who is beyond the tube's?'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'coz we are Human being. not god, not devil'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cide: 'are you suggesting there is a world outside of aard? :P'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i don't know about you, but lookin in on the life of a laying hen in a feedlot, or a rooster doesn't appear very pleasant'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'why is it that you people think that it's ok?'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'citizen life there's shit too isn't it?  i'll rule you out of their mainframe and put you onto the status quo in the observation panel's if you want to be a steering wheel for justification of human animology as directed by a human animal'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'death in holographic form'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they're devolving humanity and evolving technology as far as i can see, somebody seen an old philosophy in his lego block's and drew the framework for enslavement of humanity under his devisings'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'nature is expendable as is freedom, some asshole think's he decide's how much freedom i have while breaking all the boundaries he gives me'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'is he your idea of god?  to me he resembles the devil, but you humans like to worship people'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but lego's weren't around in 1885 were they?  nah, so he had a predecessor'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'gotta have a new thing cause tv says everybody has one, weeee, trust in government toys cause they say we can has it'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they're even indoctrinating blackberry's and things like that into elementary classrooms with remotely accessible video camera's through nintendo dance parties in pre-school in calgary, among other things'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'yeah, don't go to the park cause it's filled with crack heads and perverts, the cops are doing their job in public spending priority you see'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'dance on our electrolyte's and have imaginary friends in your tv screen'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but do it together and share in the friend'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'what's the difference between that and religion as commonly practiced or freud preached?'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you mean schizophrenic evolution is anatural trigger to electromorphal response patterns?'
T3/r3/2011-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'I call bull-shit bull-shit, and this just seems like that hidden eye in the pyramid dollar sign to me'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'I want to ask a question that maybe sick to you.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Shoot'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'yesterday, 200 or more people in cars blocked a high-way,they wanted block a trunck with 500 dogs (in China,dog is a kind of food - -)'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'one of them bought all dogs from the driver after all. '
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'I want to ask a question, eating dog is legal in Amercian or not ? '
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Yes'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Why would it not be?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'tsk, a sick desire from the philipines'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Eh? The practice of eating dog originated in Europe'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'USamericans like dogs as pets not as food'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'but nobody eats dogs,yes ? even it is legal.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ladanday: 'I think eating horse meat is illegal in most states. Dog is legal though, just not done outside of some Native Americans.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Culturally taboo, legally not'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'And Ladanday is right - horse meat is illegal'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'in the us?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'which depraved europeans allegedly originated dog-eating'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'oh'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Wonder why?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'maybe those depraved europeans were imported from the orient'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'I am a vegetarian---almost. coz I eat eggs and drink milk.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'They still do in Switzerland'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'Xyliz, you are a bigot.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'How was that a sick question?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, for one, the assumption that one must be depraved to eat certain types of animal meat is certainly biased.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'maybe those depraved europeans were "deported" from the orient'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Marco Polo came back from China with some "deportees", perhaps from some of the jails in China'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'eh, lots of Chinese,include me, was told that American think a man who eat dogs is some ,eh, cannibal'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Sure, we call those people bigots'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'then connecting so-called depraved Euorpeans with the "orient" (where ever that might be) is also biased.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'you mean the same americans who it snakes?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'but you are not guilty when you eat beef ? '
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Anaristos, I was talking to Wenq :|'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'Wenq: it is true. almost all americans will not eat dog meat. but they don't have a good reason.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'no, where is the beef?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Guilty of what?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'Oh, I see. so it is a culture issue,not about law.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Sure'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'guilty of eating beef'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cide: 'most americans will eat it but wont admit to it'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'If you mean guilty by eating it, yes, most Americans are guilty of eating beef - but not guilty BECAUSE of eating beef'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'no they won't, cide'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'd eat dog if I got the chance. But I'm not an american.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'I don't think I would eat dog meat, but if I the only choices were dog meat or ants, bye pooch :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'decent americans prefer not to make friends with the food'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ladanday: 'Americans have an abnormally strong affection for pets. Some of us think of them more like people than even monkeys'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'though monkeys are undoubtedly more like people :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Humans as a species have lived with some animals for an abnormally long time, so I can kind of understand that'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'A thought about eating monkey will make me puke, cannot imagine it'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'd eat insects too, as long as they are tasy and crunchy. Not worse than eating crawfish or shrimp.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'dogs seem to be used as a demeaning metaphor by the bible's author's, pigs an unclean thing which are the target for hosting demon souls, sheep and goats as food and burnt offerings, crestation's and any sea-creature that isn't a fish as something not to be eaten, i think bugs and serpents aren't to be eaten as well - some egyptian, norse and hindu legends i read seem to elevate cows to a sacred status but don't seem to mention the other's'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'OOH NECROSHINE HAS COME'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'those that make friends with the food and then kill and eat hat food, are a few steps from cannabalism'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'You make friends with shit-eating dogs?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'the idea of pigs being unclean and are based on bad assumptions and bad cooking :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it's all traditional maybe, or maybe there's something to it'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Pigs can get super unclean even in a well-maintained place'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'cows are maybe not native american animals, but buffalo and moose are'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Who cares what the bible says. It's just a stupid book, written by people trying to control the behaviour of the masses some 2k years ago.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Eh?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ladanday: 'Buffalo and moose are also delicious.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Usually agree with you Ranrr, but not really'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Buffalo's a bit tough, never tried moose'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you're talking about eating animals, and i'm talking about where tradition's revolving around eating or not eating them may have come from'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Reindeer is also a bit tough, but maybe I had Rudolf'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Ok, 1500 years ago then.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'I have a holy bible and I read it all but I do not understand it.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ladanday: 'Moose are very gamy. Need a good spice crust.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'heh, well, the bible is a history book of sorts, and history books are written to control the masses, so the bible is not really too far out of line :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they eat people in some places in the bible, and in some other cultures religions to this day they seem to do'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'No, I mean it wasn't collabed by a group of people with a single intent'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cide: 'the bible is a totaly different debate :P'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'That's why there are so many inconsistencies'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, it's not clear that the bible is inconsistent, it is clear that the interpretations of the bible are :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'It was said that thousands innocent women were burn to die - - Terrible'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Much of the New Testament has to be reconciled in religious schools BECAUSE of the inconsistencies'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'In middle Age,I mean'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'But ok, forget the bible'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'yes, but there are instances of that in more modern historical accounts, too.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Ok, back to which animals are tasty!'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'I am cluttering up debate with too many discussions like a kid without ritalin'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Human children.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'Man,Rannrr  - - '
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Entopee is agreeing with that Jhav person again...
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Wenq laughs out loud at a dust devil called jhavpet.
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Entopee snickers softly.
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sorry, I just like eating meat, and I am fine with animals getting killed for that reason.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'it must be pointed out that war has probably single-handledly done more for the perpetuation of the human race than any other device :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Go war'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But I do care that the animals are treated correctly.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Go Ranrr'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ladanday: 'A guy on the Travel channel had a good point: If you think something another culture eats is weird, remember than in America kids love to eat ground animal bones mixed with fruit'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Mm, jello'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'without war the gene pool would have stagnated and the humanity would either have taken an evolutionary downturn or would ceased to exist altogether.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Debatable'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"God" dislikes those that religiously kill animals for religious purposes'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'you can dabate all you like, but that is a simple fact.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'But he has nothing against those who put em in a pot and add some paprika'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'how does war have to do with sticking your penis into a vagina or vacuuming a penis into your hole?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ladanday: 'Founder effect, Necroshine'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'I'm not about to - I haven't read GGS yet'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'animal sacrifice for religious purposes is a blasphemy against the decent god'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'maybe you're a waste of skin and have to kill their parents with others assistance in order to pop the cherry?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i don't get where your reasoning comes from'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'it's not the sticking part that is the point (pardon the pun) is the fact that the victors of a war end up impregnating the vanquished famales thus straightening the gene pool. Call it cross-pollination.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cide: 'giving a god fresh meat is blasphemy?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'what type of sex-pervert are you, Necroshine'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'I will take fresh meat without damning you, send it all to me'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cide snickers softly.
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cide: 'im not for it or anything'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Please don't burn it'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'so being a rapist is the hero of evolution'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'that explains science a bit'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Vacuum packed will do, on ice'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'just about, Necro.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'but that is not a particular human trait, all organisms do it.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ladanday: 'Well, if you're looking for the fittest genes, the strongest male raping the most fit female would provide that'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Not true'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Survival of the fittest is on its way down'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'yes, that's true, Ladanday. Of course rape carries a heavy stigma in modern society, and rightfully so, since most current rapists are part of a war.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'are not, I meant to say.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ladanday: 'Rape doesn't occur naturally in most situations anyway. Female selection is not a human-only thing.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'it sounds like we are all offsprings of therapist ---- a joke ^^'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'And that is why I don't believe in this war perpetuates the humans bs'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'survival of the dumbest is on the rise, with those who think they're the king's overseeing the proliferation of the prior for control purposes'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'it does occur naturally, you mean.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Yall need to change your pretitles, they both start with Un'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'can they breed intelligence out of the gene pool?  it seems they're doing a fine job'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ladanday: 'I mean just what I said. It does happen, but as you get "higher" organisms, you see more and more the female chooses her mate'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'remember, evolution doesn't have a plan. If dumb rapists are more likely to procreate, that's the way evolution will take us.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'modern courtship is a ritualized form of what once was a rather violent procedure.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'But insinuating that war is still necessary is beyond ridiculous'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'from who's accounts?  your bible's of history used to control today?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'opportunistic double standards'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Personally, I think we should start affecting our own evolution by selective breeding, but we're probably not quite mature as a race to do that yet.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'I don't have to read the bible, Necro. Sitting at a park and watching squirrels or pigeons court is enough to get an insight.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Selective breeding is a bunch of bs'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Set up the right society and you'll get the right people - genes have an almost minimal effect on human variation'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Penworthy points to all of the dog breeds that came about from selective breeding.
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Dogs are not people'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Dogs are raised in highly controlled environments'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'but they are organic, and have genes.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'You are not understanding me'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ladanday: 'Dog breeds also often have serious issues caused by genetic inbreeding'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'with evolution in mind the cute teacup poodle was invented, cause they're most fit to face the challenging world of survival on their own'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'if you pay attention to animal courtship (other than human) you will notice that there is a certain amount of violence involved. So what would make humans any different?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'then explain?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'A brave new world ?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And with modern technology, we could really increase the quality of that selective breeding.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i guess you can say the same for the double-standard bearers and 'kings' of the world'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'right, Hitler certainly thought eo :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'The environment plays a massive and as of yet currently unknown effect on the phenotype of organisms'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'some are too dumb to invent anything, some are too dumb to know when to stop inventing something'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, that's the usual argument against selective breeding.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'I never said it was right, just that it is possible.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(?) those that are against eugenics are likely suffering from excessive inbreeding'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'it is called an ecosystem for a reason, Entopee. Of course the environment plays a crucial part.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Hence, we're not quite mature enough to do that yet.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'those who are for eugenics are multi-billionairres today'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Most things coming from genes (besides at-birth fatal diseases) can be rectified through correction of the environment'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'so you can see where their double-standard insight into reality comes from'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'I agree Ranrr. we have much knowleage but few wisdom.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Those that are for eugenics have not taken a modern course on evolution'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I just think it's an interesting though experiment.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'thought'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'eugenics has been part of the power structure since they one. If we weren't humans we would be calling it culling.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'You are referring to humans of a few thousand years ago'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'staring at their imaginary friend in the dollar bill like those kids who can't go to the park cause there's crackheads and perverts in it, the police doing their absence of job and stuff in security - playing with their imaginary friend in the nintendo panopticon'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'eugenics is evolution guided'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'I am glad we are regressing back into the stone ages'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'and today'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ladanday: 'Eugenics sounds so great from a sci-fi standpoint. However, in truth, genes and their proteins are often multi-functioned, and changing them can have unforeseen effects'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Eugenics is evolution stupefied'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Thank you Ladanday'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'maybe so, Entopee. But those culled are not breeding.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Your point is?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'According to Confucius,what you do not wish for yourself, do not do to others.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'evolution is a god'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'and that's true for any species of animals.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'And?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'Confuse-us say, "what did I just say again?"'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Entopee snickers softly.
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, culling must be ralated to natural selection.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Wenq laughs out loud at Penworthy.
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'was*'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ladanday: 'Population genetics was one of the most boring classes I ever took, but it did give some interesting insight into a lot of 1950s sci-fi lol'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Actually no'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Was is wrong'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'for instance, let's say you try to cull me from the pack and I kill you and go on and breed, your genes have been excised while my are perpetuated.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Culling has no doubt an effect on natural selection, but culling genes by killing people doesn't help to rectify any sort of genetic situation'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'I think gene is selfish,but we human being are not only piles of gene'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'culling is not an act of rectification.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'lets say i have a residual energy after you cull me that lingers on beyond mortality and destroys the lives of all of your offspring'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Eugenics seems to think it is'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'culture is another kind of "gene"'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'then i successfully balanced the culling strategy with duality'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ladanday: 'semantic point: culling has no effect on natural selection'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Eugenicists* (at least those of 50 years ago)'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'could be, Necro. If that were to be true the point doesn't change.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Necro, sure, and what If I have a magic wand that can transform you into a frog.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Wow'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Now that'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Would be crazy'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'oh, I want to be a frog, me, me, me! ^_^'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Please lend me the wand, I have some hallmates I need to use it on'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine believes in the (perhaps fictional) paranormal (as nonfictional)'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'come on,penworthy, there is no a prince want to kiss you'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'I like frog meat as well'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'we can never speak about the success of a culling procedure since there is nothing to compare it with.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yum. Tastes like chicken and fish at the same time.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'I'd show those frogs a thing or two about "breeding" if you know what I mean.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'one of several possibilities'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: '?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'everything seems to be surrounded by nothing if you search deep enough, otherwise everything would be a single thing'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Humans cull animals all the time - I'm not saying it doesn't work'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you can learn alot from what's not'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'nature will rectify any mistakes, so there is really no need to worry about whether we are doing the right thing or not.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'It's highly effective *in a controlled environment*'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Virtually all animals and vegetables we use/eat have been changed by selective breeding to be quite different from where nature took it. We are very good at that.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'a thousand years down the road, the Spawn of Penworthy would form a new race of frogs. Hyper intelligent, beautiful, and overly aggressive!'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'everything is a single thing, Necro :) The entire (multi-)universe is a single ecosystem.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'remember the butterfly effect :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Holisticism is a wet-dream still waiting to be realized'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'I have no idea what I just said'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'and the point is?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'The sentence sounded nice?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, I am glad you clarified that :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'the first time I EVER heard the word holistic was in a dream. But it wasn't a wet-dream.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'not joking...'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'you will not eat your cousin,will you? In a sense,animals are our cousins'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Here's a clearer explanation - holisticism shouldn't be seriously scientifically considered due to the complexity of the interaction of multiple agents'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So are vegetables.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'to me "holistic" is one of those empty words that are used to separate you from your cash.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Now did that confuse you?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'although more coherent (on debate), Anaristos stated opinions are wronger than Necroshine blatherings'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Entopee snickers softly.
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'I admit I like eating my vegetables cousin. - -'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'cheers, Xyliz :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Vegetables are great too - love murdering those bastards'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'how about them frogs?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'As a hypocrite, I can eat frogs but not kill them'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Or let's say coward'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'I know I fail miserably, but I always attempt to look at things from an external platform.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'in soviet russia, frogs can ear you, but not kill you.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'but that may be from the incoherence disguising the wrongness'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'eat*'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'I was wondering how I can ear someone too'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'in the last 125 years 75% of the worlds biodiversity has been eradicated by today's current ideology of progress'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'that includes your gene pool'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Doesn't sound like I can be charged for earing'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'Somebody told me old monks lived in Tibet can eat nothing years after years. I do not know it is true or not.\'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'as known by biologists'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, Necro, if you are concerned with traditional gene pools you are heading for a heartbreak. More pools have banished in human history that we can count and the process is on-going.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'well, psychometabolism is an entirely different subject.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'maybe people should turn into cannibals that consume the wealthy one's who hide behind everybody else and eat for free'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'the same can be said for kidney stones, Penworthy.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'then maybe they'd recover instead of having recovery retarded by their pampered reich'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: '(psychometabolism is what you were reffering to, Wenq, though it is a western term for it)'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'A small planet crashs the Earth can do same thing like we human has done.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'wrong Anaristos -- some humans are able to count (estimate) to high numbers'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'a rock the size of Catalina Island would wipe out the Earth. Note the holes recently put into Jupiter. They can fit a planet the size of Earth in them.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'sometimes when I was a kid, I would count to 1000 before I got out of bed... and if I messed up I would start over.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it's not even really cannibalism though is t?  the wealthy ones think they're a breed apart and commit beastiality on their slave collection'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'might as well pull buffalo and hunt lions'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, Necro, it is not clear that cannibalism is a form of bestiality.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'If we were all cannibals I want to eat Bill Gates first,then Warren Buffett'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Please do'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I want to eat Carmen Electra, her legs must be yummy.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'I would up for http://maps.gaardian.com/vi-index.php '
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: '...'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but it is clear that these 'special people' are a different kind of human since they're so double-standardly patented among their slave collection - making them as fair of food as pigs '
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'don't some people like to think that people got smarter from eating animals?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'sorrry mis'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'imagine how smart you'd be after consuming the rich ones who enslave you'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'nation of hannibal lecter'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'I would start with Kin Kardashian, personally :>'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'Kim, that is.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, Hannibal Lecter was an abomination, but actually there have been worse real humans :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'I would eat kinjin, he seems so smart ;o'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'yeah, fiction rarely reaches its real potential'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'Anybody knows Tan-Taoism , an ancient no-religious exercise in China ?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but reality reaches towards fictional proportion's and then replaces fiction's limit with reality'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'The first step of Tan-Taoism is never eat any anlimals'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'That's good.  I don't think I've ever eaten an anlimal.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'and so?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'Tan-taoism said you will be immortal,step buy step'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'I think that it is well and go to have all these theories of behavior, but bottom line is that if you survive whatever you do, it is a good strategy.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'Lots of Great Master of Tan-taoism can live 100 years old or more'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'and it is not tao, it is dao.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'You are telling a Chinese person how to spell'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'it is spelled Tao, and pronounced Dao.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'I see. but almost all western people write Taoism ,not Daoism, wierd'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'it is spelled tao due to some weirdness in the part of Wade and Giles :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the Tao is a singular null concept'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'after all, Tan-taoism is good, a great many people give up eating-meat for eager of to be immortal'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'the word is pronounced dao, Wade-Gales used only the voiceless letters to mark Chinese sounds. So t' = t and t = d'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Dao is somebody singing the Banana Boat Song'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'with minds observing and manipulating the functioning of the things in the void, if what i remember is correct'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'But giving up meat-eating is 2nd law, the First and the most immportant Rule is : No sex, No any kind of sex'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they think the void is unconscious and unintelligent though, with only the fraction's within it having any mind'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'the Second Law says you cannot have archive maximum speed and maintain maxum efficiency :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i like hinduism's ideology of brahman and brahmin more'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'that is part of their caste system, Necro. A form of feudalism.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'there the brahman is the intelligent soul of the void in which all little soul's or minds or creatures exist in'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the brahmin is the conscious awareness of the brahman's existance, the guru'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'and he also represents the apogee of Hindu society.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'Necro, have you ever read Men who stare at Goats?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'no, but i watched some do so'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'I am sure the sheep are sighing with relief.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Unbelievably amusing, it is'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'I think you'd like it, Necro.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'you know, I've spent quite some time trying to figure out how to create an egalitarian society. My conclusion leans toward the thought that it is an impossibility. It's the old square peg into a round hole paradox.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'Hitler did,Stalin did ,all wrong.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'how come people criticize the people from 60 years ago and not the one's of today?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'or 100 or 1000'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'they do. All the time.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, neither Hitler nor Stalin had the best interests of the people in mind, even if one does, though, it just can't be done.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i see several corrupt system in the world today that people accept as their master'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Ok I will.  The detestable scum and JPM and Goldman are destroying our economy and should be lined up and shot for PM market manipulation and insane over leveraging of bullion.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'it's just that people are now called hornblowers when they do.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'and = at'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'So on that note, hope you aren't long stocks or FRN.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'everybody seems to have their own best interests in mind before others, except in some closed scenario's where a martyr jumps in front of traffic to push somebody out of the way or a parent sacrifices something for their children'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'the problem, Anne, is that in order to archive such corruption you must also be in charge of the guns.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'So if they start asking for your guns, you know the revolution has already started.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the best interest of the company is to make more money, and with that comes their own best interest, at the administrative level - at the lower level's it might not be in their best interest but they're the ones being replaced'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'No, I'm not saying there's any possible hope of any of the central bankers to be held accountable at this point.  It's already over.  The system collapses as soon as people run on their gold/silver notes or as soon as the public becomes aware the Fed is doing the same thing AiG did before collapse.  It's just a matter of (short) time now.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they preach on tv repeatedly how 6 years later we're recovering from some economic crisis, while tax payers have successively paid over 20 billion dollars per day to the government that claims this'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'any one who engages in misogyny without taking precautions against retaliation is no real threat.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and they miss out on the 25 million dollar pay hikes that the CEO's of the company's that cut off all of those jobs suffered'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'GIABO'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'At this point your best best is to cash out any money you have in the ponzi market and buy guns and ammo (which coincidentally are SKYROCKETING in price)'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'so if the people revolt they will win simply because a real power broker would never allow to raise to begin with.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Because at least in a systemic collapse you can steal other's food and water if you have guns.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'don't confuse revolution with a riot.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'The people who sleep in their normalcy bias will riot.  The people who are awake won't be rioting, we'll be setting up fort with supplies and weapons.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'and then... the aliens come and magically fix everything!'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the bible's concordance points out the use of the word alien before 1947'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'I was reading on wiki about the fall of the roman republic. they said that it was a slow transition over a couple centuries most of the time there was the senate, and people were led to believe it was in their interest, but in actuallity they were all just a bunch of buddies and did whatever the emperor wanted.... sounds familiar'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'to germany america was an alien, and there's god doing his strange alien thing mentioned, as close to outer space as it seems to reach, that workd'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'and the US of A is mimicking the fall of Rome almost word for word :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'I would have said a few years ago we were on the road of Rome.  Slow decline.  We're way beyond that now.  The dollar becomes more worthless every day and they can't kick the can anymore, the road ahead is so full of cans you can't go around.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'it was really weird and eye opening to think about'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Now it will be just like in 2008 only far more epic.  One day you'll wake up and everything will be falling apart and the DOW will race to the bottom after the dollar.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'no doubt at just the right time to influence the election'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Even if the Fed prints a few hundred trillion to cover their insane levels of exposure it will just make your bananas cost 1 trillion dollars.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'some Chinese think US as a modern Roman Empire.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'propaganda and mass mind manipulation has become an exact science'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, the Chinese are being hypocritical, of course. They are doing the same thing. '
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Exactly, they are manipulating the foreign exchange market just like the bankers are, just not as epicly yet.  Now that they know it's been a giant fraud with gold and silver and the market is a full frontal nudity naked short, they will bring it down with no risk, make a killing, and then we get to figure out what currency we're gonna use after the USD.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'that why we need to excercise some constitutional rights and form independent states of like minded people, or as I like to call it grow a pair'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'be that as it may, the signs of the decline, if not the fall, of the US Empire  are there to be seen.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but china seems to filter what kind of trash foreign nations are allowed to play on their media to a more stringent degree, i'm not sure how common pornography is in china, for instance'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'give up your mcdonalds and cable television, pool money with like minded folks to build something within the system that can destroy it'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i imagine next door in those soviet states it's pretty prolific though, you know how that doesn't affect youth minds at all'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'We don't have to destroy the system now, it's going to implode soon anyway.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'or serial killer movies'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'Most americans hate mcdonalds.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'That's what I'm sayin, get the hell out of markets, buy guns, ammo, food, a farm, whatever.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'innovative imaginative exploitations of technology to cause mass destruction and murder from the mind of a holllywood producer'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'If you have a 401k, it's gonna be gone.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Dust in the wind'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'but if corruption and selfishness is bred into humanity, will there ever really be a saving grace?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'there's saw movies, texas chainsaw massacre, transformers, holographic reality sciences in japan they were studying'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Why do you think people turn to religion? :b'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'japan doesn't have much cencorship on their media like america does though, from what i could tell'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, Ann, that is rather half-assed, and I say that with all due respect. If you are going to have a revolution, you must be proactive. This waiting in the woods for the end of the world approach only gets you mosquito bites.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'shrug..'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'But it's not 'me' 'having' a revolution.  I don't have to rally the people.  When utter chaos ensues in the very near future, everyone is willing to listen to instructions, or go it alone and die.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'I stand by my point that most americans hate mcdonalds.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Unless you believe the government can fix everthing, in which case I don't want you in my fort anyway.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'only the fat minorities go there.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'but that's my point, why wait for the chaos, which by definition, will rage out of control. If you start it, then you can, at the very least, give it the correct tendency.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you'd think it'd be easier to cut costs on things and hire more police who are paid sufficiently enough and monitored/filtered for corruption, than it would be to replace all facets of the natural world with energy-fueled synthetic alternatives, like dancin on nintendo or going to a virtual park instead of making use of your citizens that that park isn't full of crackheads and perverts - which requires adequate employment and a sense of purpose for those people and a place to stay'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Because if I start it now before shit hits the fan, they just put me in a cell or I die soon.  If I take advantage of the chaos I can survive much longer and save many others as well.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'morality , pfah what's that/  back to that selfless decision making processes of those world leaders of today'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'In China, everybody enjoys pornography,but,frankly,everybody knows it is illegal.nobody cares'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'hiring police to curb corruption is like trying to put out a fire with gasoline, Necro. '
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Anne nods at Anaristos.
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'did you see the other fractions i mentioned?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'maybe your police psychoanalyst and training protocols are insufficient to select the proper ones'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Anaristos is attempting to be a disciple of Necroshine, but blatantly-wrong-coherent-statements are not the same as incoherent-partly-wrong-statements'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'economic liberalism, while it may have enabled lots of great things, is inherently a negative because it allows the 'elite' (the rich as fuck, historical bankers) to form monopoly across borders'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'the problem is not even that the police is inherently dishonest, Necro. The problem is that corruption is a contagion. If you come near it you will catch it.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Yes, and currently they are doing what all 'rulers' have done in the past before shit hits the fan - they are looting the Treasury.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'and because the governments (of say the west) are blind to what the corporation is doing in cote divoire or libya or kuwait, the corporation wins by getting away with injustice'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'I would if I were them :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'we have double life in China. we do not believe what News said ,and we all knew nobody dare to challenge gov'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'Just like porn,we all watch,we all know it is illegal'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the media is a corporation'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'which is rather interesting, Wenq. The people outnumber the government by an unbelievable factor. So what's the problem? Well, let me tell you. Most people don't want to die :) '
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'one of my favorite strategies in MMO's is to use classes that corrupt and weaken others. Debuffs and DoTs for example'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'it's a leg on the stool'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'The media is ignoring all the real stories to keep the mantra of "recovery" and not rocking the boat.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'would they place any self-incriminating data on it to play to people's awareness?  i mean real stuff that they would comprehend'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Wenq nods at Anaristos.
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Wenq nods at Anaristos.
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'No, they use a pre-determined list of pundits/interviewees on rotation and that's the only people who get to speak.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'seriously though, there are different kinds of corruptions. One could weaken the government as easily as the government could weaken one.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'the government (any government) controls the media. So it must observed carefully. One must glean the truth from pieces of the puzzle.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'penworthy - but the resultant either way would still be an official authority'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i read on this al jazeera article that Shell corporation (operating internationally) had infiltrated every level of government in Nigeria, and was the one responsible for selling weapons, while that was credited to 'terrorists' in the population'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'for example, gov said there is almost no prostitutes in China. And we all knew there millions sex-worker.but nobody want to argue it. we just all KNEW.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'the guise of authorative control will always be there, whether corrupt or incorrupt, as long as the masses accept it'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'eh... I if I fight, I weaken my opponent, if I play games, I weaken the other players/mobs. It's easier to take someone or something down if it is weakened.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'corruption may not be an absolute, Penworthy. but the end result of any type of corruption is the same. Whether you rob the treasury or jump ahead in the line at the theater. Someone is going to get screwed.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2010/12/201012902541205186.html'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Calamar: 'It's not the masses accepting of it, it's the masses being ignorant of it or CHOOSING to ignore it.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'which, therin lies the problem that, not all men are created (or conditioned) equally and many need the authority'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the power of suggestion and assumption is a exploited tool that every government seems to use, even criminal organization's and things like that - the panopticon is an interesting idea isn't it?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'the real answer is to figure out what to weaken (people that get in the way of what is right and good) and then weaken them, whether by protest or whatever you can think of.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'what to do with a populace that can't self-awaken?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they're watching or they could be, it boils down to'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'that is fine, RagingFury. That's to be understood. There is a difference between guiding someone to a goal and robbing them.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and while the people THINK this, in the background the government CAPITALIZES on their fears'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'isn't that how it seems to be going?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'iunno, I think differently than a lot of people, but that is always my strategies with rivals and people I hate. Bring them down while they are still standing, and keep em down while they don't realise they are down.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'US govement is better in this issule, They admite there are lots of prostitutes and ,they would be coustmers sometime,lol'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'most people require guidance and are happy to be governed. However, there is something peculiar about government, those who become part of it invariably try to subjugate those who they swore to protect.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'it kinda sucks :('
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'most chinese have no intersting in politics, they want money only,so GDP is the most important thing to goverment.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'government on a whole boils down to who is in whos pockets, who likes who, who hates who, and who has enough money to do anything about it. The funny part is that the government will lose the same amount of resources as the rest of us here in the US... kind of ironic.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'what makes the US government different from other oligarchies is the passivity of the people. They will tolerate just about anything under the illusion that their leaders would not harm them. In other lands, everyone knows that the ones in the palace are ready to do you in, but that thought never crosses the collective mind of the US people. '
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'is the problem more overt, people trying to exploit, or out of a resultant, emergent property of a flawed system?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Calamar: 'Like I said earlier Anaristos, they're ignorant. Couldn't care less.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'yeah, for a duration of a lifetime of somebody, assuming corruption is new and historical accounts of 'equality' are correct, preached within the framework in which they suffer - looking towards the past for inspiration that one day it'll be different, just water - but when did it really begin, and was there ever really any justice?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'I actually contest that, Anaristos, at least here in oregon, if something bad is going down, we mass protest.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'founding fathers seemed to think maybe with the right system the people would be free of the abuse of government? ofcourse it was an experiment'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'it all depends on your definition of "bad", Penworthy.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'maybe justice is a foreign tune to the world and society never reached it, only preached it and its absence as a result of current corruption'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Calamar: 'Founding Fathers had the right idea, but the people interpreting the constitution are going about it the wrong way or just choosing to ignore it...'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'maybe the current always was corrupt and never did attain perfect ideologies or build towards those, perfection through destruction '
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'well, for most of us, bad is anything that hurts the people on a whole, or that prevents people from doing the right thing, or that harms anyones rights or limits their rights.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'catching a senator with his pants down is not "bad, it's embarrassing. Starting a war to make certain companies rich is bad, it's corrupt, it violates the trust of the people. That is what people let the government get away with. Though the senator is doomed.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i see hardly any campaigns in the world today or throughout history that didn't involve the personal gain of a single person above others, or a group of people above others'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'for some people bad is a NFL players strike'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'always divided and never looking for a all-encompassing reasonable solution to a problem'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the problem as identified by all and not as by a selfish person'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'at least we try to do something about it here in oregon, at the least. Iunno about other parts of the US.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'lack of sight into the real problems of society'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'is a result of dumbed down populace'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'sad but true, RagingFury. There are millions of homeless people in the US and the important news is the NFL strike.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'The NFL went on strike?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'I just hope the minnesota vikings become the Fort Wayne vikings'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'better than guys in DPRK. Millions are starving to death. '
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'they are planning on it :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'to quote anothe sport "YER OUTTA HERE"'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'but on corruption, I may not mean it the same way you all mean it, but if you limit something "bad" you can also exterminate it.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Entopee: 'Your country is fuelling the DPRK's starvation just as much as the U.S. is'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'this is true for other forms of corruption, and their targets, though.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'humans were breed for survival not perfect society'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'that's an assumption, since you weren't alive forever, we're just mortal fractions of forever with our own thoughts regarding current phenomenon, and what could have been and will be'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: '1.5 million years survival training, 6000 years society training'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'so we kinda suck at fair society'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'like my current of corruption is one of two extreme's to consider whether or not justice for all was ever attained or not, judging from my fraction it appears not'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'it is strange that americans are not soccer fans. Chinese ,almost all men, are soccer fans. but Chinese socce team is the worst team! "China national soccer team " is a insulting words in China.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you produce some good baseball players too by the national american standards'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'I just think it is ironic that the government here in the US will be hit just as hard as anyone else because of their own greedy actions.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i never liked football at all, after having tackled or touched somebody too hard while grabbing the ball from them - i decided i'd just leave it behind'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'soccer was always fun to play though, since nearly anybody can'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'but will it take WW(insert your number here) to do it?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'I used to play soccer as a teen.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and violence in hockey they claim is a key-neccessity for the game, but stickhandling the puck across the ice within the rule's is how the game actually is enjoyed'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'who wants to go out for a fun night of concussion and missing teeth every night?  might as well stay home and play nintendo'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'actually, raging fury, if what I hear/see is right, the american dollar will be devalued.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'WW or not.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'nod i hear this also'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'my favorite is jogging,simple but good. '
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Ragingfury - The trigger event could be many things'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'that will mean america is the new china'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'I just hope I can survive the fallout for all of this.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'It could be WWIII as a result of chaos in Israel next month.  It could be en masse abandonment of the USD as the world's reserve currency.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'why you think there will be a nuclear war ?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'It could be everyone figuring out the banks don't have their gold.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'the US dollar is worthless, the only reason it stills has purchasing power is because other economies failed to bail out when the US floated its currency and now they are stuck.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'not that kind of fallout Wenq'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'or they have tungsten, heh'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'aftermath would be a better term I guess.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Either way, in any scenario, the USD is toast because it is worthless.  Paper backing paper backing insane greedy turds in power.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'It's just a matter of (short) time.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'there is no accountability , in media, banking, politics, anything right now, it's friggen anarchy'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if every nation in the world today decided to disable their nuclear weapons and dispose of their nuclear materials, who would trust that somebody isn't opportunistically waiting for just that to happen and revealing their secret stash?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'you are right in line with the pentagon on that one, Necro. That's why they are ordering the next generation of weapons :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'in my opinion, all nuclear weapon should be destroied as soon as possible, espcially USA,Russian, and China'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'but it's like a magic show, the audience (the masses of people) will accept the unreality because the thought of not having a society will make them piss themselves, and so the current regimes will be perpetuated for atleast a few decades'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'so how can the conclusion be reached without eventual warfare, as mortal fractions not able to control post-humous forever, ?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'i just mean, it will be a house of cards that falls at a very slow rate'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'it can't be reached, Necro. So we are going to war :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'The regimes may be perpetuated, I don't know.  But I know that society won't look like it does now in 6 months.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'In America at least.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'change is coming for damned sure'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'that would require a group of people to scourge the world's governments and territories to confirm and affirm that they're all accounted for - and this group of people would have to be carefully selected and monitored for absence of corruption'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'The collapse imminent.  Hell, the University of Texas just went long gold bars because their fund manager said 'at least the central bankers can't print gold'.  They know the gig i sup.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'I can't argue with you on that one, Anne.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'it.  is..  over.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'yes we (can/'t)'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'If Uncle Sam said:well, I will destory all of nuclear weapons. I thought comanrade Kremlin and Beijing will say same.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'yeah, nobody will act first'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'but they won't, Wenq. Because they know that if they US said that, they would be lying.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'No superpower or former superpower will use their nukes first, the cold war is over but MAD is not.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'But if, say, Iran launches a nuke at Tel Aviv, then anything goes.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Because you know damned well israel will launch every single one.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'how the media portrays iran is scary, religious extremism and people who kill themselves for religion in mind, with nuclear enrichment facilities and things like that'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'Israel has no nuclear weapons, I guess.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'But that's unpredictable.  The imminent collapse of the dollar is not an unspecified future possibility or rumor, it is happening and when the shit hits the fan it will destruct very fast.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'I am too cynical to think it's that simple, Anne. Someone will launch the missiles but who will push the button? We can blame Iran, for instance, but we will never know if they were actually the ones.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'necro: maybe because the people in charge of Iran put out videos claiming they are bringing about the end of the world?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Kinda hard to ignore.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'there's bad governments and then there's bad bad governments, you know ?  but the question is how real is the media when considering what they don't play and what they do'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'anyone else ever ask themselves, if the US government is trying to demonize some outside element, which of those outside elements are actually the fair and forthright people?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'or is that wishful thinking? :D'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'to think that any particular world event is not connected to an overall plan is naive. Everything is connected, we may not see to what because we don't know the plan, but the connection is there.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'I watched a movie,Schindler's List,and I like israel from then.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'seeing the fate of iraq for instance, a sovereign nation with oil reserves on it that has been sanctioned since 1980 or so from aircraft industries and alot of world trade - it can be seen to possibly be in their best interest to put up as much of a fight as possible with the pepole who are coming to 'war is progress them' from anaristos saying'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'then there's the story about the shot down civilian flight that killed near 187 people from iran in 1987 or so, while america was patrolling the pirates in the bay area'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'You can only believe like 1% of the shit any mainstream media gives you, and that's because they can't fake an 9.0 earthquake, I mean when there are millions of witnesses it's an actual story.  But they CAN cover up CFTC meetings where whistleblowers tell all about how 5.5 trillion in the LBMA is actually overleveraged 100-1 and no one is getting their gold.  They had 'technical difficulties' for the 5 minutes the whistleblower speaks, and then the cameras work again.  5.5 hours of hearings and they screw up the only 5 minutes that matters.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'if all the conservative 'alibaba' h8ers in america found out about BUSH and all his Kuwaiti boyfriends, they would be pissed man'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'convenient huh.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'and I dislike Iran or Iraq, they use young kids marching in field full of mines during the war between iran and iraq'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'But hey, if you let the cat out of the bag, people lose faith in the all powerful banks and shit goes south.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'take Iran, again as an example. They are allegedly arriving at a nuclear weapon stage. But can one find uranium in quantities in Iran?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'So either a.) they hide their real facilities very well, or b.) they are the fall guy for the coming shit storm.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'yeah, children shouldn't be tortured in war's that adults make on one another, and civilian's who are unfortunate to be born in a victim state shouldn't be treated as wartoyes by the soldiers who come in'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'the answer is no, we can't. SO they would have to import it. Now, why would someone sell Iran uranium?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Realistically? Because Soros paid them to.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'and why those seling uranium to Iran have connections to the US?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'things like those warcrimes are the reason the world should have world war's, since the more of these little victims get consumed and mistreated, the more vulnerable the rest of the divided world is to the abusers'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'the US decries the proliferation of weapons throughout the world. At the same time, they are the largest weapons sellers in the world... '
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'it's scary to think how many companies are for drugs and weapons in the US'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'at least thats how i see it, war as a convoy of survival instead of greed'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'the largest weapons sellers are US,Rus,China,Uk and France. and they are so called "permanent member of the Security Council "'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'sounds like a joke  - -'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'yeah that shit is messed up'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'but i take for example my mother, will she ever be able to comprehend that all the things in the world she believes are 'good' because of half a century of conditioning, are actually the sources of evil?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'there are a lot of old people in the same baot, i would say... not even the old also many of the younger population too'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'there are reasons that some world governments both decry the selling of weapons and permit and encourage the selling of weapons -- instead of your ignoramus sick-moaning and fake-crying, maybe look at the actual reasons'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'Same thing in China. hundred of millions people only believe what they want to believe.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'hehe, you said ignoramus >:3'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the aardwolf debate channel features them'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'I do not know. the Bestseller in China always such as "How to be a rich man","How to Lose weight in 3 weeks" and so on.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'That's why people will ignore everything I say about the soon coming collapse of economic system in the US and go about their daily lives.  They are so self-centered that they literally will refuse any information that rocks their boat.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'The 'normalcy bias' is very strong here.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'But I guess when they can't afford to eat, they will wake up.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'where's the best place to purchase shotguns and rifles, anne? :P i'm ready'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'You hopefully already have some, because they are skyrocketing in price.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Best place is honestly the online markets like ebay and such, where you can still get a reasonable price.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'I just want to say, there are some more important thing than becoming rich, than loseing weight :( but nobody cares'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Yeah, namely, survival.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'i eat as much as I can, you only get fat when your diet is full of junk like tv dinners'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Ever see the Walking Dead season 1 tv show? Take out the zombies and put 50 million food stamp recipients in instead.  Same story.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'It's coming.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'people saying the world will end in 2012, act as though they're living in the thereafter and speaking through the now, i'm not so convinced - people die every moment of every day if statistics and stuff are correct, i guess you can say fractions of forever cease to exist in this mortality every moment by that reasoning, 2012 the obliteration of the entire world though, how do they secure these claims for themselves while disconnecting from all or most other philosophy?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'anne so there is no dip for me to buy on weapons? :('
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'haha, do you read zerohedge by chance? No, there will be no dip in guns and ammo now.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'when you buy do you go by certain brands? are there shitty gun manufacturers i'm trying to say? and yes, ZH reader since last november or so'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i can see a man-made destruction of several people possible, or social collapse strategized by people, but summoning the end of the world itself and living to confirm you're correct seems impossible unless you contrive a sort of ghost world where you can observe the absence of this material world'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine, you discredit yourself by pandering to the 2012 end-of-world "hysteria"'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'Walking Dead is terrible,I dislike it . I like The Big Bang !'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i didn't call it hysteria, in some cases it may be, i wonder where they get their stringent beliefs from so i can conceive of their beliefs in it - and how much of a hand the current has in its proliferation'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Walking Dead is fantastic, just imagine all the zombies are the 50 million americans currently on food stamps (soon to be 60 million).  it is THE SAME STORY'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'IT'S AROUND THE CORNER'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Raging: Zerohedge commenters have some good advice on the guns.  You need a rifle, .308, you need a pistol, like a glock, in case you need to GET to your rifle.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'If you have army friends, they already have your weapons, just ask.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'You need to get a plan with a team of people and a location to go to when SHTF.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'You need to have food/water/storage/weapons all taken care of already.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'And if you bought silver at 9, can i have some of your fortune now to fund my survival? :b'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'i'm a young man of small means, and friends who are young and ignorant, i don't even know where to find people in my area who think that'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'some people are cashing in on nuclear bunkers and fallout shelters in real estate in the usa'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'What's your geographic location'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'MN'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Necro: Survival shelters are up 1000%.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'Survialism '
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'twin cities'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'nuclear weapons as a real estate prod, hahaha, what do you think?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Well, my ex-marine cousin lives their with her husband, I know they have guns.  Give me your email and I'll give you a way to contact them when shit hits the fan.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'i was in at about 29'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'late start'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'so instead on one sheler, there are ten shelters -- 1000%'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Xyliz: your normalcy bias is showing :b'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'shoulda BTFD at 34 methinks'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Yep'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Even with JPM shorting the living fuck out of it, up up it goes.  they can't stop it now, it's too late'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'i've kind of been focused on trying to pay off my debt before investing in more stuff though, is that foolish?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'CCs and student loans and shit'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Cause everyone with money knows its already over and they can preserve purchasing power in silver and ogld.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Cause everyone with money knows its already over and they can preserve purchasing power in silver and ogld.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'woops'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Stop paying that bullshit, pay the bare minimum to keep them from your door, there's no point paying it all off.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'It won't matter in a few months'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'Guns are extremly forbbied in China :(  if someday zombies attack me, all of my weapons are a small axe and kitchen knives '
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'what's your degree of certainty on that? is it when QE ad finitum is officially announced to the masses?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Yeah an unarmed populace is the goal for everyone, because you can't really fight back.  Sucks to be that.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'If, IF they do a QE3, it will have to be so insanely huge to keep this floating that people will protest.  I mean they'll have to print like 200 trillion dollars this time to cover their exposure and keep rates the same.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'It just won't matter.  They can do that, and risk hyperinflation'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Or they can just admit defeat, raise rates, and cascade the defaults and walk away'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Or they can just not raise the debt ceiling and start over with a new currency and pray we don't get nuked for fucking everyone.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'however'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Assuming none of those 3 happens in June and it's like, in limbo while they figure out how to unfuck us a little longer'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'When earnings reports start leaking in June, for second quarter, it's over'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Everyone will reforecast GDP down to 1-2% and people will know the fantasy is over'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Some already are'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'global disposition policy'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'This is assuming that next month when SHTF in Israel we don't start WWIII to get GDP up.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'either way, you don't have long to wait.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'statements are negated by foul language - foul-mouths are not believed  (foul language is equated to bs)'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'are you sure? Anne'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Actually I find statements that are profoundly true without foul language are even funnier because they're true WITH foul language.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Positive Wenq.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'On the other hand, assuming by some fantastical miracle that I can't even comprehend'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'That we keep this ponzi scheme going for another 6 months'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Then when the palestianins unilaterally declare statehood in september'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Then the war starts without us having to do it anyway.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'so you have, at most, like 5-6 months.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'I personally think it's much sooner, I mean when it broke today the Fed was pulling an AiG and putting it's own shit, all hell broke loose. I can't imagine what markets will do monday.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it must suck being born palestinian, i don't mean cause of other than how you're treated by others, can't run to egypt or lebanon from what i read, without being stripped of your dignity, rerouted or enslaved'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'guilty of being born, the boon of society and illusions of progress'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'title for a book somebody should write'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'save a tree, do not write a crappy book'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you mean life isn't fair, why do you think that is?  tough luck sucka, born in our slave state'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'In the simple short form, here's our economy, I think this is a good explanation'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'The Federal reserve had to print money to save the banks'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'But gold and silver are skyrocketing, and they need to bring those down to save the banks'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Because they have frauded everyone with how much they actually have in storage'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'so do they raise the rates, bring down the PMs? But then the banks collapse from no printing'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'They are so double fucked that there is no way out.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'so what do they do?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'war ?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'The same thing AiG did in 2008 to fuck us all and almost collapse the system then'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'They bet against their own money'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'So now they are triple fucked.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'That's why I think it's very, very soon, not 6 months away.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'to make a long story short, there will be a war? '
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Eventually? Yes, there has to be, wars always fuel the recoveries'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'lol, nerds run the world huh?  using brainpower to control society, through tearing of the flesh'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'hard to say when, although as far as 'any war' not one just specific to america or china per se, there WILL be a middle east war soon, cause palestine/israel blows up this year'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'diploma's are hard earned cash, or are they?  sometimes maybe, but seemingly not too often, diploma see, diplomacy'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'the,China will be  involved in the war or not, in your opinion ?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'diploma in C and pornography, cp c'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'I'm not an asian expert, but based on my limited understanding of the current world events, I would guess China will be the patient dragon it always has been and wait and see what everyone else does first.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'they can afford to, they are still booming (except their crashing housing bubble)'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Everyone else is completely fucked and printing money like there's no tomorrow (cause for fiat currency, there really isn't)'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'They can clean up the mess and come out very well if they don't mess up'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'If they get involved it's WWIII horrific bad.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Neither superpower can afford to let the other take that much control now'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'how come israel doesn't apologize for the actions of its soldiers on civilians?  such as that doctor who was sitting down for a tv interview while his house was mortared and his daughteres dies'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'I hate war. last war China fighted,is with Vietnam. about 19791984. we enjoyed less than 30 years total peace only.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'They do apologize for the actions of the soldiers when accidents happen.  But no media will cover it, because you can't rock the anti-semite boat these days.  They also aren't the ones firing anti-tank missiles at school buses.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'or the woman who got ran over by a tank, or that italian guy was apologized for by the palestinians from what i see on al jazeera, but not by the group of them that did the killing'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"fought" not "fighted"'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Al jazeera is no different than fox or msnbc, why watch em?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'thank xyliz'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'simple thing such as, we are sorry that innocent blood was shed and will take precautions to prevent it in the future, would prevent endless years of tension'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'with the actions that prevent it actually occurring'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'thank xyliz'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'The Daily Show regulary mentions Al Jazeera as a news source more reliable than Fox news'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'a crystal ball is more reliable than fox news'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'is incoherent expression caused by'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'is incoherent expression caused by: excessive LSD, excessive canabis, pharmaceuticals, immorality, religious trauma, third stage syphilus, (insert other here) '
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'a very talented yet vengeful cat.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Garfield is a fictional cat'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'What is the bottomless pit?  Thinking in terms of what is apparent yet sleightly observed, it can be seen as, maybe, the height of a man's social status or wallet and political instruments - the people at the bottom typically remain at the bottom while those at the top consume those at the bottom through medium's (alot like speaking for the dead, only in a more sentient format, the mediums they use are neccessarily those at the bottom performing their will) in order to increase their wealth further, and perhaps cause suffering to others for their own amusement.  It is an interesting anolagy to consider.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lorlitta: 'interesting topic'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'On that note, what is Apollyon?  Considering rights given you by these political instruments, and voting or corruption thereof, skewering ov vots, loss of interest in voting and lack of offensive against that sort of slanderous actions - can the poetic mastermind twist the word to mean A poll yawn?  Too sleepyheaded to fight for my rights?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'A bad don, lyrical analyses'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lorlitta: 'you guys must debate often. I'll just observe as seeing I cannot post a good opinion in this'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'another look at the bottomless pit, we have a endless seed of sorrow refruitioning the orchards of the oppressed with fresh crops for the top's, immorality in stride we see a wide variety of delicacies to select from - the fruit of the tree of knowledge perhaps, if you consider the core of an apple to be its pit, as they use the apple metaphor in school while i don't see it mentioned in the genesis account'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'there's that polish teachers pet saying too, mysteriously aligning with a saying we have a different meaning for'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'one world government with varying laws in each sector, yet strided freely by the administration while those within each faction are unable to move freely about the slices - what's illegal pleasures in one place is gratified in another for instance, the neccessity for war'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'want to lawfully commit those horrendous acts sir?  i have a reservation for you at my slice of the pie'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the European Union is why we cannot ever allow a one-world government to exist.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'corporate hitmen, bottomless bank accounts by held in stride by obedience to their masters calling - rebellion is death and end of your evil lifestyle, i was just doing my job takes another hew'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'sounds like you're confusing the debate channel for the music channel, Necro.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i'm uncovering the politics of corporate hitmen and warfare as i see it, maybe you can add some insight into my sleight'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's never like it is in the movies, books, and other media.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'corporations have a slice of the pie most anywhere in the world you want to go, being on their payroll is a imminent priority to evil self gratification at anothers expense'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'job one for those outlets is to keep you acutely interested, and real life is just not that interesting enough to the market.'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lorlitta: 'it is so very true. And ofcourse large corporations don't like sharing their pie. They always try to cut down the new opponents before they can become a threat'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'yes, alot like the (neccessary recruitlment of the bottom dweller's to perform their arts)'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'robots are kind of phasing that out now, no?'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they'll always keep enough bottom dwellers around to keep them amused, only the bottom dwellers won't be able to retort once their world become's a clamshell with robotic wings on top of which a top dweller reels them in a bucket to himself at leisure'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'those luddite's from the 1800's sure had a marvelous forsight'
T3/r3/2011-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lorlitta: 'yes. Japan has... Well had machines that actuall y l earn and process in turn. In the future we just learn the machine what to do and it does it.'
T3/r3/2011-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'In the USA approximately 3-4 million dogs are euthanized in shelters each year.'
T3/r3/2011-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'is it ture ?'
T3/r3/2011-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'I find it hard to care about dogs given the coming chaos.'
T3/r3/2011-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Anne ;)
T3/r3/2011-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Wenq (
T3/r3/2011-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'how many dogs did Anne cause to be killed'
T3/r3/2011-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'trillions'
T3/r3/2011-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'lying is a sin'
T3/r3/2011-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'So is eating too much.'
T3/r3/2011-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'debate is not a confession channel, Anne'
T3/r3/2011-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'That's funny as hell if you know me IRL =b'
T3/r3/2011-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/charts/charts_debt.htm'
T3/r3/2011-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'debt ceiling wheee'
T3/r3/2011-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'what debt ceiling?'
T3/r3/2011-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'the one they arbitrarily raise every couple years'
T3/r3/2011-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'we know what happened to the last princess of whales, who says they off middleton before she's 35?'
T3/r3/2011-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'wales*'
T3/r3/2011-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): RagingFury shrugs helplessly.
T3/r3/2011-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Penworthy: 'nothing against you, I only correct people when I care about em <3'
T3/r3/2011-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'heh :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'how come they ave all kinds of phobia's to describe most everything, but not truth?  what would you call a person who is more afraid of being deceived than they are of death?'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'noble :P'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'fear of truth and fear of being deceived and the condition of the second fear overpowering the protectors of the first'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it's really interesting that nobody up in thought-land had inventd that'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'you just did?'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'both are realities, but there doesn't seem to be words for them - unless you think they're false'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they do have a word for that called relativism'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'what the bs is:  "protectors of the truth" -- bs!'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the people who would deal death, or the elements that would punish you for discovering it - sort of like an alchemist discovering how a chemical can be applied and how it shouldn't'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'why do people afear to speak out when the truth should be told?  is there no fear of death involved?'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'don't touch the stove, it's hot!'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"a person who is more afraid of being deceived than they are of death": perhaps  God  (assumes there may be a god)'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'pretty basic concept really, i don't see where your juggalogic is coming from in question's, you'd think your source code would include basic reasoning abilities'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'why did you need me to clarify or request that?'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"false pride goes before a fall" '
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'sounds like a family of traitorous lion's, or a cloister of arms'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'slandering lions is not wise'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'metaphorical lions seem to do it all the time - watch that video on the herd of buffalo that hunted down lion's when the lion's thought they had an easy meal - taking generations of inbred fear for granted their pride resulted in their asses being kicked'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'chatting buzzwords is often a cacophony of noise'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'watching the nature of the beast abnormalized is usually a enlightening measurement and conflicting pattern of sorts()'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'those walt disbey animal videos are faked'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the beast will, it puts the lotion in the basket - silence of the lambs logic, now generate the phenomenon into my original question's and reconsider them'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'that was a real footage from africa'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'are the lions feeling cheated because their food turned on them?'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'slandering lions is never a wise thing to consider - are you sure are foolish?'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'those walt disney animal videos are faked -- lemmings do not normally follow the leader over the cliff -- walt disney was an animal murderer and (some say) admired the nazis (?)'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'animal videos (from africa) are often the result of deliberate sabotage by depraved humans coercing animals to be victims'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz starts to hear the faint sounds of a cricket chirping.
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if you ever watch tv documentaries or good guy/bad guy show's, you might notice things such as bad moves being done by the good guy which overcame the bad guy, seeing opportunities to strike that weren't taken seemingly deliberately - then you may watch a show about a mastermind as they're called, working for the police in the usa and robbing over 10 million dollars worth of money and jewels from the most secure bank in town, without gloves on to cover their fingerprints and aggressively approaching a couple doing inventory across the street are his co-working conspirators and asking them to leave the scene'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'those movies are teaching wannabe criminals to be "stupid"'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'wannabe criminals need no real coaching to be stupid'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'watchings things like that, i see in one case the media-minds attempting to subconsciously insert bad decision's into people's minds when faced with a situation where preservation is required, and in another case seeding that banks can be robbed while displaying subconscious memories that may lead the cops to them - serving both the criminal mind and the cops ease of catching them'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'yeah, some of them, but you can see in the first case that that doesn't always seem to be the case'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Majic, bad logic in that repartee '
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'CSI makes them very paranoid maybe, but does it show criminals in waiting more of what abilities the cops have in preparation for how they're not going to be caught?'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'How is it bad logic? Many people are criminals because they are stupid and it seems like the easiest answer.'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'They don't need help to be stupid. They already are.'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'CSI is fictional crap in the extent of forensic abilities'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the power of suggestion and assumption'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'how about the phenomenon of pleading insanity to get out of charges of murdering people, sometimes getting a slap on the wrist, etc'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'don't change the topic'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'meh. insane people should be locked up just like sane people.'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'are these psychiatrists or psychologists actually able to discern pretend mania from real insanity?  and should the sentence be lessened because the killer was 'traumatized'?'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'what about the dead?  it seems they about reached the pinnacle of trauma'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'actually yes, the experts are able to discern in most cases'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'faith in the degree holders, ok, i'm not so convinced'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'ability doesnt come from the degree, comes with training'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i can pull up innumerable cases and point out facts of each claimants life prior to committing the crime that display their neccessary sanity'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'regardless -- someone who kills someone else because they're insane should still be locked up -- not to punish them per se, but to protect everyone else from them...'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'after killing them, i had such nightmares that i will drill into my past to display my current manic manifestations due to guilty-conscience'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you ever consider things like that freudian algebrist?'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'mind goes into how to get out of shit mode and reaches for whatever grainery it can fathom'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'Psychological trauma is distinct than 'true insanity' , i.e. chemical imbalances, drugs, etc'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'from, rather'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'getting drunk never got me out of trouble that i caused while drunk'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'neither did psychological medication's mixed with that and shit like that - how come it only works for some?'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'maybe you're just a superhuman'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'if movies portrayed Criminals wearing gloves, nor leaving incriminating evidence, not making mistakes, the wannabe criminals may receive an education in how not to be "stupid" (in which case Majic be more wrong in saying criminals are "stupid")'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'maybe i just had too cheap of a lawyer'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'I fail to see the point of your logic.'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'You claim that movies are teaching wannabe criminals to be 'stupid'. What do you mean by that?'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'my uncle punches an off duty police officer for being a prick, and the police officer puts on his uniform and writes a ticket'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'your failure to be intelligent is likely your fault or the fault of your parents'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the magician speaks again, from pleading insanity to wearing the doctors suit'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'ah, resorting to ad hominem attacks because you have no other response?'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if civilian cop was punched for being a prick, wow, how many people here have been punched with 2-3 year sentences passed to them for a justified reaction?'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'as a non-officer'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'put on the suit and man, that 0 turns into a million'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'you you feign ignorance and "pretend" to be stupid, somebody may say you are not pretending'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'if you feign ignorance and "pretend" to be stupid, somebody may say you are not pretending'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'lots of criminals in uniform from the news reports, border guards too apparently and military officers'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'so no logical response, okay.'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'never being brought to justice, why is that?  who will police the police?  citizens should or those among them who aren't cowards  , but how long do they stay around?'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'necro, unfortunately, there are some guys who go into those jobs because they're decent guys and want to make the world better blahblahblah, and there are other guys who go into them because they like to tell people what to do.'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'that's why you just avoid all of them'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'and I don't really see a way around that... because there's always two ends of a pendulum'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'on one you have the cop who shoots a guy who's preparing to shoot him and gets crucified in the media and fired, on another you have the cop who shoots a guy who's got his hands in the air '
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'why should i live in fear from the law?  if i see them break it, why should i be required to let them get away with it?'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'you shouldn't :P'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'i got mugged in st louis once, called the police, and was told if I had been a block east, then they would have been able to send a patrol car, but since i wasn't.. they wouldn't'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'consider an incident in my town within the last decade involving a cop who landed me in jail for defending my right to drink alcohol in a public place - who had an affair with a man in town's wife while he was at work, drove her to the bottom of a backroad around a blind hill - fucked this woman in his patrol car and nearly killed my grandpa'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the cops never punished him for that'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i went to jail cause i threw curses at him after he violated my civil rights with his buddy who went along with the king of the 2 man pack, after i manhandled him alone his buddy jumped em with a club, a taser and pepper spray'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'trying to arrest me for nothing, after i provided what you wanted from me, lands me 4 months in prison'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and the judge has the nerve to call me lucky'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'and what do you want me or god or anybody to do about those unfortunate incidents --  if you are depraved you are beyond assistance'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'nothing, the topics kept changing, like you asking to clarify a simple concept'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i think if any civilian is able to prove that they were acting in self defense against any public official, no matter their income or police force corruption, they should be able to hunt down a judge that will hear their trial without bias towards preserving the rotten pigs'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and i think that alot of the people thrown into lesser-sentences and lesser-places of punishment for committing crime's are often misjudged, but not always'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i say not always because i seen real cases where somebody was a snapcase due to medications for schizophrenia mixed with alcohol and years of pent up rage, and things like that'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz did not ask for the concept to be 'clarified' -- pewrhaps Xyliz was being sardonic
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'perhaps'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'in those few cases though, the victim of their aggression is often somebody they know well and they don't have any satisfying social life leading up to the crime, they are outcasts'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'like me, more or less retarded'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i'm not a violent criminal though, as far as i'm concerned i was acting in self defense the one time i was charged for a felony'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(mayhaps you were supposed to remain silent on those incidents, or speak of those incidents in the detached thirdperson, neither indicating nor hinting whether you were involved)'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'thinking back it is funny, cause they stopped the patrol car half way to the other station to pepper spray me 2-3 time's, while i was lipping them off (recorded court evidence unlike the unjustified pepper spraying), which i promptly continued after they stopped and pepper sprayed me'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'then once i got to the station there, they clubbed me 3-5 time's with their little black beat stick, tasered me for probably 20 second's straight shot me in the face with pepper spray 3-8 more time's , dragged me all the way to the drunk tank cell, removed all of my clothing, pepper sprayed me a few more time's and left'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i have a giggle when i think of it, hands on their holster's thinking they're n the right, while the whole thing was whether or not i had a hunting knife on me - cause i was suicidal you see - to hurt myself with, which i promptly showed them i did not have, and then they moved towards me like you'd approach a rattle snake and my shackles rose, cause i wasn't gonna go a day without a smoke for unjustified reasons'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i drove to town drunk as hell, but i didn't have any weapon's with me - and they never brought up their abuse of me in case to forfeit my time in prison'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i showed them i had nothing but a bottle of beer, and they jumped me - that hotel burned down awhile ago, part of the memory's gone, but i'm still a bit bitter about the whole event'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz is simply going to assume that the prior stories by Necroshine are attempts at nightmare confabulations from dementia (since there is no hard evidence that the stories are anything other than attempts at bad boring fiction)
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it wasn't me who burned down the building though, like i said i'm not a violent criminal, or a arsonist or anything like that - but it's my experience with the law that actually picked on me, picked fights with me, violated their rulebooks on several occasions while i was still in school which they never made amends for, my whole life'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it all goes hand in hand with false insanity claim's and vulture psychologists getting a chunk of the lawyers fee who is paid to win'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and those cops who robbed that bank, corruption in the police force (the king experience)'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i got reasons for thinking like i do, i think this was an excellent discourse into fear of truth (or fear of justice) and fear of being deceived over fear of death'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'how come those concepts are missing from the oxford dictionary in a nice intelligable format, they seem to be pretty generically bold realities and traits identifiable without complexes involving other phobia's'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"justice" and "truth" are entirely different concepts'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativism perfect justice in the eye of the unbiased beholder as defined by the strict formal adherance to the structures that present it to his scale's for weighting into a verdict by those who present the evidence relevant, without missing out key facts and without bias on their own part obscuring the view of the judge'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'justice and truth should have more in common than not, are you living by your job description and coming to a true judgement given the facts?  who disagrees with you and what are their reasons?'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'some religious nutters may opine that the "fear of truth" is a fear of god'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'truth is truth to me, the bible defines it in one place as 'twice what is', if i'm not mistaken'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'truth is not necessarily truth'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'in some cases, justice is more synonymous with corruption and depravity (than truth)'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'is god death then for fearing truth?  what if everything in reality turned into a lie at this instant and you had to consciously uphold it with your mind in order to interact with it?  would you then fear that the truth is everything is false and then fear that truth?  or do you enjoy interacting with reality as not controlled by your mind, considering reality to be your truth with which you exist and conduct your life - do you fear this or some things in this a duality do you love it more than you fear it?  there's different ways to think of it'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'calling back to memory what happened, are our memories subconsciously perfect?  assuming another partakes in reality as you yourself do, is this a duality of twice what is reasoning?'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'do you fear such a sensible concept such as others partaking in reality as you do?'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'in alot of cases yeah, i can't say most or all, but many seems reasonable'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'incoherent bs --> "is god death then for fearing truth"'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'made sense to me, i can't make you understand basic reasoning'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'god does not fear truth'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if you see things differently then share your thoughts, it costs nothing'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'excellent, an atheist can agree with that too if you like, since god may or may not exist - how can not fear is?'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'god seeks truth -- and in the seeking may perhaps dispense death to the depraved and unworthy'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz is an atheistic antitheist
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz values "nothing" as precious and not to be shared
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'god's usually portrayed as fearless, as he invented the king of terrors and things like this - being the all in all, everlasting formulator and upholder of reality wouldn't give reality much for him to fear except being alone , i think (baalim who is that?), for god is a man of sorrow in one instance (but god is more than man, yeah?  omnipresent in another instance, relativism shine's here briefly for consideration), and there is none beside god in another'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'man "concocted" those fables (king of terrors)'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'that's what i remember as points of consideration from the bible, since you're insisting on god being the (handicap?) reason for those concepts not having their own words in the oxford dictionary - remember that time i formulated a word where a monarch radifies his own immoral judgement into law?'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'that was mysteriously missing from the dictionary again'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"radify" in not in the dictionary (at least not in the sense attempted by Necroshine)'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'reading up on the conceptual derivatives in herent in the word's czar, khan and divine king as used in the bible, there's some more questionable reasoning behind it - it would be perilous to have people aware of the common accessibility to untainted human nature in literally comprehensive wordings'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'radical, + ify, there is a ratify word'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'put into affect the radical'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the time i used it was regarding the deviant will of a certain monarch as considered from historical documentation, as it claimed to be'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'does he first need to radify his opinion before he ratifies it to pass on down the ranks?'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it'd be a handy word for law professors'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'you are not "untainted", and using incoherence to disguise "bs" is not justified by crying "wolf" or "perilous"'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"conceptual derivatives" were around long before the czars'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i didn't say i was untainted, i said there are concepts which are missing from the bible but which a human being can become/show signs of a mania regarding both'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the Bible is mostly fictional crap concocted by liars and men'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'arachnophobia, fear of spiders, agoraphobia fear of open space's and crowds, necrophobia, fear of death, etc'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'bible means book, oxford dictionary is a book written in england from where the word bible wasn't translated into book over here'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you seem to be very acutely aware of english, it's sort of compelling to use the word bible in your context'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"Bibles" are a subset of "bibles" are a subset of "books"'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'a book regarded as authoritative in its field'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'oxford dictionary seems to fit that categorization'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'if you are going to debate properly, do not be an erronous pedantic nitwit'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Necroshine throws back his head and cackles with insane glee!
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'even so, a dictionary is not called a bible '
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'could there be a reason behind that too?'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'hmmm, lets go play with mania'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'if you adulterate words, you degenerate into incoherence'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'is perversion a adulterate word?'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"an" before a vowel noun, not "a"'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Necroshine throws back his head and cackles with insane glee!
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"adulteration" and "perversion" are different in nuances, and are not the same, and are not necessarily interchangeable'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'adulteration may just be a subset of perversion'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'wrong'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"adulteration" is a different concept to "perversion" (even though there is overlap)'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'as you screw and adulterate your vocabularly, you degenerate into incoherence and further into dementia'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'eventually, with the degeneration and adulteration of vocabulary and grammar, even if you falsely believe you see an insight, you are unable to communicate that (defective) insight since you are unable to speak coherently in an officially-known academic language'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'then you are mostly irrelevant'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'dementia is a recourse into some form of insanity where your memories apparently disappear and you are unable to comprehend reality around you, nor recognize familiar's who were a normal part of your lifelong vocabulary'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'are you perverting the word dementia and should instead be using some form of mania instead?  maybe cleptomania or cryptomania'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'there are shades of dementia'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'does your psychiatrist wear them?'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i'd like to get me a pair so i can see through yours'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'you are too depraved to even approach'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Xyliz was and is doing the Xyliz at least a decade -- narrow and strait is the path that leadeth to a Xyliz and few there be that attain the wisdom of a Xyliz'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'and Xyliz is coherent!'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Necroshine feebles in humbalsty
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'and Xyliz is usually consistent, though Xyliz opinions are upgraded as Xyliz evolves to a newer improved Xyliz'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'so they're talking about gasoline alternative's and slowing introducing hydrogen 'fuel cell' car's to the world for a little while, discussing alternative fuel pumps for people who want to use these - and where did all their idea's go?'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they say tar sands don't pollute fish, yet in the 1970's you could go fishing along the athabasca river and have some of the cleanest tasting fish in the world - and scientists disagree with 'they' in their factual researches'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the gulf of mexico in contrast to the brazillian gulf, which was less than 10,000 gallons or barrels, one of the two of oil - compared to the 555 million barrels or so, up to 90% of which is still floating around in the ocean - and the government signs the goahead to start 12 more oil rigs in this year'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the invention of the electric car on or near 1885, and its absence of progress - the fact that you can develop a engine that goes well beyond the speed of sound using hydrogen peroxide, which can be brewed like moonshine - and the fact that the alternative vehicles they're showing people with these hydrogen fuel cells are really weak vehicles and or ugly'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you can't keep up to highway standards in that, can ya?'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'then there's the fact that you can brew hydrogen peroxide to a desired potency, and there's the engine design to consider that would distribute its energy through its parts, and the engine then feeds the rest of the moving parts of the vehicle'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and they don't build nothing out of it'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'instead of clouds of dead fish, smog and death you could have clouds of clouds and little puddles of water'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'H2O2 in concentrations of 30% or higher is extremely corrosive to human flesh - too dangerous to use as a common fuel'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'so, do you let people play with draino?'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'wear gloves while filling up sir, surround the fill-up station with a copper bottom so that any dribblets will be evaporated'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'H2O2 in concentrations of 30% or higher is far far more dangerous than draino (Lye)'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and the non-renewable resource in oil with billions of dead aquatic lifeforms and decades of death ahead of us is not on par with the danger to ignorant handling of the fuel source?'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i'm not very convinced'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'and if H2O2 is poured into a contaminated empty tank - kablouie'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you've got scientists, you can figure out feasible methods to these problems, you're a engine designer, you can figure out the pieces needed, you're a fuel station owner, you can figure out how fuel stations can procure their fuel to sell'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you can buy or lease sedaline and oxygen tanks for welding if you want, those are pretty dangerous too'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'whether or not their danger is more centralized to a welding shop is not really questionable, since it is - but so would be the danger centralized to a fill up station and where they get their fuel, you got sensors to detect a baby's assholes methane level for poop prediction algorithms'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The problem is not the carrier, be it hydrgogen or whatever, the problem is producing enough energy.'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you saying you can't invent something for corrosion or contamination in a vehicles fuel tank, and develop a simple enough strategy to fix the problem?'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'welding gas in large quantities is used by professionals and is safer than using H2O2 in large quantities'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'hypocratical hypocrites of unmodern unscience of monopoly and death ritual's for the entirety of biological life on earth'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'that's what your absence of ingenuity of putting together alternative pieces tells me, along with you being a stool boy for the oil company in some stock or another'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'or like i said about fear earlier, there's solution's there's a pretty big problem to deal with, such as death of nature'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine, did yoo play with 6% H2O2 to see what may go wrong when the H2O2 is suddenly contaminated -- 30% is far worse when something goes wrong'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i might some day, maybe get into engine design and build myself a go cart from it'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'H2O2 percentages higher than 30%, fuggedaboudit'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'enough energy, there are probably over 10,000 light bulbs in a mall in california, where it rarely freezes and death from the sky isn't too much of a nuisance - these lightbulbs each consume a certian amount of energy - if those rooves were made of transparent material's or mirrored light from an open alcove through solar panels to fuel an internal generator with alot of batteries (large buildings and things like this) then there wouldn't be a neccessity for so many light bulbs and less energy would be required'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'scratch a couple nuclear power stations for that alone maybe, take into account the science that doesn't need to be done but is done because they're crazy - sucking up several nuclear power stations'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'nuclear materials and fossil fuels are both limited, while things that can be got from reusing copper and brewing hydrogen peroxide and things like that are not limited'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you just point to a couple isolated cases and say that's more important than the death of the gulf of mexico'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'there are batteries than convert gasoline directly into electricity'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'who wants to eat fish with parasites in them, or how about fish with tumours growing on them, or how about fish that grow 3 times as fast because they're genetically altered through the science using the former causes to do so'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'more dead bodies of water and contaminated nature = more demand for these mutants'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'how is this H2O2 "brewed"'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: '100 years ago you could go to most bodies of water and catch a fish and eat it, today you can't because they're full of death'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'fuck texas'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i don't like texas much'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: '100 years ago was about when Grapes of Wrath was written.  I sincerely doubt the veracity of your purity comment, Necro.'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yoko: 'hi all '
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Smiling, Tinada greets Yoko warmly.
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'howdy, Mrs. Lennon.'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: '1910 they still used horses in most area's of the world as means of transportation, with oxe's for ploughing'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you could monopolize hydrogen peroxide fuel and consume as much space as your oil industry brewing it for use in automobile's which are modified for its usage'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the crop yields were far less back then - you're yammering irrelevancies'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'farmers had more of a say in their grain back then as well as being less dependent upon the government'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'plus there were more of them, and communities were less cramped'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'less of a yield, you don't have any statistics to even prove that'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'and an H2O2 leakage or rupture in an accident is not going to be nice'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'monsanto GMO seeds are much more fruitful when seeded in area's that aren't blockaded by forests'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i don't think yield's much of a problem, somebody claiming the profit for himself is'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'would it be as nice as that fukashima power plant, chernobyl or the gulf of mexico, exxon valdez?'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i'm guessing things wouldn't escalate to near those scale's'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: '20 billion dollar grievance allowance in 1989, they paid less than a billion of it back to the tax payers who funded the cleanup in alaska, in 2007 having that bill cut down to less than 500 million by the us supreme court'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'that's what i read'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'really?  You think that just because we're pumping sparkling water that the emergent peroxide barons won't take shortcuts that lead to disaster?'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'value of the dollar is less in 2010 but the amount paid out by BP is the exact same, for a disaster alot larger - and 90% of the oil still remaining death in the sea'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if people were taught that to fuck around is to die because you're playing with a plastic lighter in your chest pocket while welding a pressurized pipe on a boiler, people might stop to make sure they carry zippo's or leave their lighters at their lunchboxes'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'what do you think?'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'people might ride bikes more often too, if they're insinuated within a city within a reasonable distance of the place where they are to work - or public transite'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'there's a balancing act that needs to take place here on earth if you want the human fraction to exist on it until the solar system decides it's time for it to be destroyed by whatever methods come'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'which are all hypothetical and observed within at most 120 year lifespans of change subsequently from recorded history to now, which is far from being absolute and prophetic in its instrumentation'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'talk of unknown "balancing acts" is not eddifying and is merely irrelevant noise'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'because it's a large project that would require alot of effort to begin and rectify towards perfection'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i pointed out some in the lighting on concrete buildings, morality for the family values within a nation is another edifying fraction to consider, dear eugenesis'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the use of batteries seemed suspect'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'overpopulation is such a burden to bear lightly, mass murder is a strategy we see throughout history while the question of teaching and holding proper conduct throughout the government operated systems within a nation slips their mind's - they rather let people fear going to the cops cause the cops might really be crooks than address the problem of law and crime'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'how do you program somebody's mind?  lets research the methods employed from then to now and see what exactly is being programmed and normalized - then see how much reliant the generations are upon media and how big of a problem it really is - now lets do some surgery'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'blunt force surgery?  maybe neccessary in rare cases where reason isn't sufficient and somebody is obviously wrong - but altering the course of action is a more reasonable approach'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'now we have the problem of how to make the money object in order to buy the bread object from the supermarket, and where to travel to do such, and what are the costs of living near my place of work and crime rates compared to that of 100 miles away?'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'now mister corporation can venture to decide to make the procuration factories more accessible for the mister citizen who now has a place to live, less requirement to consume energy, and more satisfaction with himself due to fairly earning his wage to earn his daily bread in his house which is in a secure neighbourhood'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but that would require more distribution of distribution facilities, which costs so much more money - well mist corporation, how about you let the communities organize those confusions and step out of the picture, and everybody can learn to work together without your 100 mile venture's to strangeland to go home to crookland where to call the cops is to risk being met by the crooks'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'not enough work in your farming community is there?  isn't that wacko sir, it seems there's alot of land here where food that facilitates the human body is produced and yet most people are poor and out of work, hardly able to afford to buy the processed produce that is produced in their surroundings'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'lots of diesel sucked into your large tracktor isn't there sir?  how's your potatoe orchard doing this year, with the beans and corn and broccoli'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'is it owned by somebody who never even been there and you're just working for him driving his large machinery to ship it overseas and sell it to your citizens through welfare cheques - while your keen oil interests and destroying the world which fuel your excessive energy demands?'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the world is definitely a very unbalanced place you see, if you can see what i mean there's alot of issues that can be made better'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'why does that kid have to sell crack because he's bullied by the neighbourhood kids to do so to be like them or else he's dead meat?  does he have much of haven?  do the cops not see this?  are they driven to it by absence of work opportunities and absence of non-corrupt police within their community?'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'improving the world is not a matter of (artificial) balance'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it's not artificial, it spans energy, architecture, social development frameworks, transportation demands, personal worth of a 'peasant', law and crime, foreign espionage and other things'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it's real, only you may have a different strategy in mind'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'improving the world is not a matter of the use of (artificial) cliches'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'weenuk errr'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'whatever improving the world is, what the current people who run it have in mind is provenly as you say'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they take their cliche a little too seriously though, pleasure on a plate'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i don't see no saviour coming from the sky , do you?  see the saviour coming from below, do you?  see a saviour coming from over there or there?  there's lots of people with lots of concerns and lots of problems and lots of idea's, there's ways to address them with money considered expendable if people either stop following their priests high horses or else those people on their high horses allow solutions to be reached'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the sun is pretty valuable and the moon, every star is unique and every object on every object in space is unique as are people - alot of scientists disagree here, never placing their own heads in the guillotine they prepare for others they blanket judge others (this is eugenics and class wars and religious wars and other things), but nobody really wants to not exist, some just lost sight of what good there should be in life and gave over the reigns to death to lead them (here on a high horse in alot of cases) to their embargo's which often result in destructive venture's and deadly outcome's that didn't progress anything at all, but some in their despair believing they were doing right had that belief exploited'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'there's alot of things like this i observe to be real in the world - if you can find reasons why they're false like a lost sheep maybe you can show them to me'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'there's solution's but not enough people see the real problems for what they really are and the real outcome's and real history which seen them into their current state's of destruction - i'm just one people what can i do?  that's true, but what if everybody see's there's a problem and everybody works towards finding solution's for it'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'do you value the word of your king more than you value the right of somebody else to exist?'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'that food in the supermarket all got there by people, not by magic - magic is the money you can't make to buy it'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lorlitta: 'I am some of a loyalist. I'd follow(if I see him or her with good intentions)my King or Queen before I question much else'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'Iowa City to Disarm Poor & Disabled 'Buses Will Be Gun Free Zones' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqACWfcpdf8 'defenseless killing zone'?'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i hear of one guy in toronto tying up a robber who came there several time's without harming him in the back of a truck, then calling the cops - cause callin the cops alone isn't enough with him leaving'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the store owner was actually charged'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'a bank teller was fired for risking his life to chase down and apprehend a bank robber.'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i hear of another guy who observed several men breaking into his shop at night, and goes outside with a rifle to fire into the sky (most likely away from a public road) to get their attention and scare them off - this guy was charged, the people aren't reported as being who were robbing him'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'true story too'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'is he supposed to be like, yeah go ahead and take what you like here at the supermarket, while i wait half an hour for the cops to answer my call?  living out in the country'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the judge has the nerve to charge him for defending his property - he didn't shoot at them as far as i know, but if they had weapons too, then what?  getting somebody's attention with the possibility that they might be one less in number very shortly if they don't stop robbing him doesn't seem to be a crime'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if they turn around with a weapon in their hand in a motion to aim at him and he shoots them, then what crime is that on your own property?  the crime of self defense in addition to protection of your own property'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the law's really fucked, especially when it puts others at risk for not doing its job'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and then charges those few brave souls who stand up against the criminals'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'yeah, in canada's a largely disarmed civilian population, hunting rifle's and sport hand guns are allowed but not to be carried around - that doesn't stop armed robbery or the criminals getting their way on women with a butcher knife to her neck or brute force for instance, pepper spray isn't really all that omnipotent you know'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'there's lots of pro's and con's to having a disarmed civilian population, one of the main con's is isolation and abuse then eventual corruption and exploitation of power by those who run things'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'which seems to be a pretty basic path each government on earth has followed'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'pro's.. they use knives instead of guns?  baseball bats and muscles on women?'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'what else besides rape, bullies'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they are 10 the man paying the second tax is 1'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'are you sure the cops are safe to go to?  i think it's possible they're on the payroll if you try to use the civilian services, loyalty to the dollar in most cases'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the guns keep on flowing in, only you have to know the people who know the people to get them, and then you got them and have a bunch of disarmed sheep to flock'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'that's some more con's, because it's obvious that politic's of nation's is bullshit and power is (always?) abused , once all of the crooks are disarmed are you going to destroy your weapons, peace keeper?'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'civil servants are discounted from dropping their arms, but people are resorting to crime for alot of reasons, such as poverty, low morality, glorification of criminals, bad policing in their neighbourhoods which are filled with people in the same impoverished state and left to join the crooks or be destroyed - not much of a choice in the slums is there?  more of that government thing'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they're the ones responsible for social planning, now if each of those houses on the block had a rifle the government would be more willing to negotiate things such as job opportunities, and each neighbour would be more weary of who's lives they trespass on - but the con's are that eruptions result in maybe more death?'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'difficult to find a solution to isn't it?  i imagine it was planned that way'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'just some thoughts - if they think you expendable enough to remove all of your work opportunity and feed you food stamp's, do they have your best interests in mind by removing your self-protection too?'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'consider those commercials on tv of starving children from africa for instance, or the impoverished conditions of several area's of the world - outside of your little timeframe in have land, on food stamps or whatever - if they consider those individuals that worthless and they don't fund them getting any better chartively, what makes you think they think more of your food stamps?'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'there's sure not many job opportunities in the works, and there's more people than there are positions to fill, and somebody's always left on a unchartered bus to nowhere, only here most of them are unarmed'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if people have no work or no satisfaction with their living condition's, people get upset naturally - having them all disarmed is an invitation to any number of violations, i think - the law of common sense'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they pose no threat, lets take away their sugar and feed them trash until we can feed them nothing and keep their trash too or feed it to our dog'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'now who can make their money?  what ways are there for them to do that?  crime, but who runs crime?  the government maybe, or a government of a different land'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'some criminals in public service, interesting, and some public service being bought to work for criminals and foreign espionage puppeteers'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'my own citizen's aren't satisfied with their lives here and the decisions of their government, but i know what's best for yours so i'm going to make war on them - i shall toss my needle in this haystack and send the soldiers to fetch it'
T3/r3/2011-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'really naive isn't it?'
T3/r3/2011-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'with roughly 55 million unemployed american's and that number rising for automation and cost cuts for the overly wealthy and their subordinates - and the oil spill estimated to still have roughly 90% of the 55 million barrels of oil (as they say, or is it 550?) still lurking beneath the surface of the gulf of mexico (the 9th largest body of water in the world), 12 rigs contracted by the government to the same company to go into operation this year in the gulf of mexico - why is it that jobs can't be created for these people if they choose that would enlist them into a government funding cleanup effort of that lurking threat?'
T3/r3/2011-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it costs them about 1.5 billion dollars to build a publicized stealth bomber, how much would it cost to employ volunteers among the unemployed and supply adequate housing for them?'
T3/r3/2011-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i forgot how much toxic chemicals they dumped in with it, but some analysts figure that was used to prevent the oil from being seen and from coming ashore, the chemical being banned in many nation's - several people are reportedly sick near the coastline, and that problem will more than likely increase, since they say often alot of the evaporation from the gulf of mexico perspires over america'
T3/r3/2011-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'so you'd require safety gear for people who would be going to somehow retrieve it'
T3/r3/2011-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they say 10 years after a oil spill in brazil, which was alot smaller than this one, there's still nothing growing - and they didn't use these dispersants to hide the problem'
T3/r3/2011-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they say when requested a 24 hour wait before using those chemicals, they denied that and used them for 2 months or so while they debated over the consequences'
T3/r3/2011-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'Why is it that everytime I come on here your always ranting and raving about something on debat Necroshine?'
T3/r3/2011-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you know, to look for non-toxic alternatives like what i pointed out could have been one of'
T3/r3/2011-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'why is it that the world makes so many rediculous decisions?  how about why would they pretend it on the news if none of it is real?  or how many witnesses are there to confirm its reality?  if it's real then common sense would lead us to the first question, wouldn't it?'
T3/r3/2011-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'enlighten me to your theology'
T3/r3/2011-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'http://www.mendeley.com/research/nested-sieve-sampler-collecting-aquatic-invertebrates-rice-paddies-12/ http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/04/100415085315.htm what if you could develope a seive with peat moss as a seiving material and then drag it through those glops of oil and stuff under the surface?  water doesn't get encapsulated by it, but oil does, would it be possible to bucket it up like that?'
T3/r3/2011-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'lol, the lefties are threatening companies with Koch in their name thinking they're related to the right-wing brothers of the same name.'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'prolly not a good time to be walking in the rain if you live in the USA: http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2011/04/07/radioactive-rainwater-saint-louis-missouri-geiger-counter-nuts-14994/'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'is that payback from Japan'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'could be like this for months...maybe years...could be in for tough times :('
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you don't see a desparate rush to totally eradicate oil and nuclear energy and chemical farming from their system, so they might be faking it all, since they seem to value their lives too highly to be suicidal'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'i wish'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Necroshine looks for the lantern on his magic carpet
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'weather's beaut in Oz...might me time to take a loooong holiday'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'Belteshazzar can fix it'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'some Christians believe that destroying the planet is required so that Jesus Christ may come and supply a new earth'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'those Republican Christians are deluded though'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'too bad the planet was here long before jesus.'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i know, i've seen that conclusion being reached in consideration, same can be said of most monotheistic relgion's or all who see this as a transient trip through a 'proving grounds', 'purgatory', etc'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but there's other ways to read it, some non-canonical reasoning to consider, some reasoning out your reasoning to be considered based upon alternative considerations, etc - somebody says they hate christians i point out that there's thousands of divisions of people's groups that call themselves christians, and ask which one they refer to?'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if you considered the bible story to be a book of metaphorical realities written to cryptically convey subliminal strategies to a large world-dominating strategy game, you're a little satanic a little christian and a little atheist and maybe have other beliefs on the side - for instance, is one way somebody can be built up'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it's not like if you go to a church, everybody in there is christian, even the priest might not be christian'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'bah, grammar errors incoherence disguising crap'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'even if the incoherence is decyphered, the opinion is flawed crap'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'seems flawless to me, my opinion probably takes more knowledge of religion and psychology than you ever mustard'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'did i miss a comma?'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i could be wrong though, you know, i've shared several theories that i can arrive at, if i'm wrong it's because i can't be two people at once but only view from the inside out and project that view through what i observe anothers personality and thinking to be'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'that's why it's called my opinion'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'people who like to sin alot lean on sayings by peter's letter's and listen to the priest tell them it's alright to be a little evil and to mortalize the deeds of the flesh, for it is no longer i but sin that dwelleth in me'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'so you got yourself a bit of a crutch for being awhatever kind of 7 abomination's of the heart pursuer you prefer'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the 4 gospel stories themselves are more what i consider christianity's theology based upon, the texts after those 4 stories included in the gospel i consider to be addition's, and you can see alot of strange inconsistencies within those letters when considered opposite to the 4 stories themselves'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'there's the dead sea scrolls which give some interesting heuristical alternative reasoning towards what is christianity'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and some parts in the old testament, or the old testament as a whole to consider - along with the evol(eviL?)ution and usage of other deities in culture's'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'other religion's and how they see thing, what is similar and what is different from one conclusion to another, theologies based on innumerable writings'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '[21 Apr 06:06:23] (Debate) Necroshine: 'if you considered (... crap errored opinion of Necroshine misusing "you" ..), you're a little satanic a little christian and a little atheist { -- switch to false accusation by misusing 'you' accusing others of the crap opinion supplied by Necroshine, (also may be missing commas)) and maybe have other beliefs on the side - (erroneous conclusion without any proof or merely incoherent babbling--) for instance, is one way somebody can be built up (<-- seems like an attempt to tear down)''
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'how do you draw opinions about others, it puts the lotion in the basket?'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'how do it draw opinions about other its, it puts the lotion in the basket?'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'can't handle discussing theoretical people you might want to never read a scientific hypothesis'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if it can't handle discussing theoretical people it might want to never read a scientific hypothesis'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'and since your opinions about others are flawed, filtering your errored opinions through your flawed opinions about others is likely further errors'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'analyzing things requires a systematic approach and dividing into pieces of the subject being addressed, tear it down'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"tearing down" is a bad analogy'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i think i've had more experience of individuality than it did'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'analogy is based upon a text or prose by a author, where was an author who wrote what i wrote before i wrote it?'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine, that was an attempt to blame other authors for your errored use of a bad analogy'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'to build up it requires fractions to reach 1 conclusion, or does it arrive at two based upon each fraction being not a part of a whole?  you're a contrarian'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'did i erroneously misuse you again'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i learn more about philosophy, religion, psychology and reality through personal observation than i do from others'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i've discovered alot of seemingly real manifestation's that aren't noted in any books i read'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'also, using crappy unestablished attempts at idioms is sick -- "puts the lotion in the basket" <-- sounds like from a crappy advert not an idiom'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'that was an analogy'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'ever seen silence of the lambs?'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you remind me of buffalo bill'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'Buffalo Bill Goodbye Horses Silence of the Lambs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTs_TZFjbJ8'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'idioms are analogies (usually) -- [if not], supply an idiom that is not an analogy'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'those that use too many (especilly bad obscure) analogies are likely unable to be concise coherent comprehensive consistent wise'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Also those who make thesaurus soup.'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the art of communication is a trained skill -- there are colleges that teach communication and journalism et cetera'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Yet most people who do well writing novels don't take such courses.'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '6 billion humans -- 60 million genuises --  very very few folk that do okay writing novels without a decent education'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'closer to 7 billion now'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'thalinomide, a foetus is not a person, lord abortion, and cialis - is the stockholder still more important than the idiots who trust their government to deliver non-toxic medication?'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'is there any link between this and terrorism?'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'http://cartome.org/panopticon2.htm some nice literature to check into, however accurate it is, apparently a frenchman in the 13th century or 14th century developed the initial framework based on pre-existing ideologies for world domination'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if you can hunt down the originals maybe it's pretty close to what theology runs the world today, with man made god in mind'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'helps to put into perspective the reason's why gps-self-driving automobiles with microchip access to your brake and acelleration and steering columns in your vehicles, along with the obscurity levels of minds claiming responsibility for a certain commanded evil action that the other parts of the system claim no responsibility for, yet allowed to fester into its current point with cellular phones, out of date pay phones, with video camera's gps devices remote access and network i/o capabilities - then the phenomenon of the flash player looking through your video camera by some facet of advanced options that you didn't see if you weren't a hacker, and maybe sometimes even if you were'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'trying to make the world nice and transparently accessibel tot he man in the imddle of the matrix who can controle very facet of your life and oversee the opreation of all the divisions of minds'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'thoughtful stuff anyways, it can be seen to have some degree of reality to it, but i imagine they don't teach you about it in most schools, assuming it's real'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'http://www.cartome.org/reverse-panopticon.htm is alright too, shorter and not the text being discussed'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine did not deliver a timely concise accurate synopsis of what the panopticon2 website states - did not even supply a name of the frenchman eitheryet'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i guess most of you already know about it, work along its lines to some tangent's, don't care or think it's lunacy, but that's alright, if you're into reading things it's something to read, as was my previous question to look into'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(better not be Descartes)'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'In a seminal and controversial work of the late 1970s Discipline & Punish: The Birth of the Prison, the late French philosopher Michel Foucault tracks the origins of modern institutions of discipline and social control, like the prison, and in a much-debated chapter titled Panopticism Foucault points out that by the late 17th century, efforts to combat recurring outbreaks of the Plague --such as had savaged San Gimignano and Europe in years following 1348 -- would eventually lead to urban protocols and management technologies that unexpectedly provided a structural and administrative prototype associated with the modern surveillance state. Ironically, epidemiological controls would provide the blueprint of what Foucault called: "the utopia of the perfectly governed city". '
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it was with Though San Gimignano's towers were part of the security apparatus of intelligent observation and defense within the free commune environment, their spatial, social and political function can be distinguished from later architectures and technologies of surveillance and social control that would eventually render obsolete the towers massive masonry engineering. The towns links to precursors of modern theories of security and surveillance are both tragic and ironic, obliging us to go beyond the era of San Gimignanos communal wealth and dominance. Instead, we linger on the portentous year 1348, because in 1348, developments in culture, politics and commerce came to a devastating, horrifying standstill, leaving the hill-towns 72 towers shrouded in cataclysmic death.'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'this in mind'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'in part, like i mentioned - The Letters which compose the body of this tract were written at Crecheff in Russia, and from thence sent to England in the year 1787, much about the same time with the DEFENCE of USURY. They were addressed to a particular person, with a view to a particular establishment then in contemplation (intelligence of which had found its way to me through the medium of an English newspaper), and without any immediate or very determinate view to general publication. '
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'and yet that was not a digested synopsis by Necroshine, but the start of a pasted screed with a yet unstated conclusion'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'perhaps a photocopier is more informative than a Necroshine'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'who needs my conclusion, draw your own, i'm considering the possibility that this transparent prison system is a reasoning device through which invasion and reomval of all personal privacy and dignity and can be acheived through use of today's technology'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'or do you think they advertise all of the supercomputers, their purposes and things like that for your public dissemination'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fastfinge: 'He's still around? I ignored Necroshine like a week ago for spamming the music channel with off topic garbage.'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'what is that satellite doing there'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you got to understand it as it could be understood in order to draw your conclusions, and your conclusions aren't assertedly real unless you find tangents to reality existing today, such as the hidden reason why they make more money by selling camera's phones computers and gps navigation devices separately than they do all in one'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'yep, Necoshine is cutting and pasting undigested tracts with gibberish allusions'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'here some neccessity made them skip economics and embrace multi-purpose cheaper electronics, cost cutting an act of charity by the people who replace everybody's work with machinery?'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'not very likely'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they're only gibberish because they're possibly the motives behind these realities'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'we make alot of industry by making cheap lightbulbs that burn out 4-5 times per year, and we make less by making lightbulbs that last 100 years'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'stockholders outof business, less markets competing, less divisions in each of these markets competing, declining prices imported electronics value of the dollar down but you can afford it, integrate into school and replace nature with holographic reality'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'all accessible through home invasion technologies built into the devices along with coreographs of a persons treck through the monitored world'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'how far have they made it, what is the base assumption, what is their current limits'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'when you own the banks and the people who operate them, you no longer are bound by financial initiative, as you never have to earn anything'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'this is a logical conclusion you can make'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if you consider things like me'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'somw while on LSD see the solutions to the world's difficulties, and those on crack see obscurities as funny, and heavy marijauna users believe (or at least say) they are smarter as they become stupider -- but those are the results of shortcircuits from excessive drug-usage'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'somebody must have spiked my shreddies and put ether in my beer, with some pcp on the last joint i smoked along with the 1800 chemicals added to my tobacco'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'radioactive lead among other things, maybe it's morphing my synaptical neuropaths into a form of government mania'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i don't care'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'do not rule out third-stage syphilus'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'who wants to breed into this world?  reproduction is defunkt if you're wise and see teh futures of your future breed machine'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'as far as i can see'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'so make the world a whore yeah'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'why tackle pleasure with others prisoners'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'even being a hedonist doesn't make any sense today'
T3/r3/2011-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"What a drag it is getting up.  Things are different today," i hear a wannabe hedonist say, "the pursuit of happiness just seems a senseless drag."'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Jesus Christ was a socialist.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'whate evidence do you have to support your radical claim?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'what*'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Jesus Christ is definitely not a Republican (usamerican)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'I do not think applying a political view to Jesus corresponding to modern politics is an accurate view.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'yeah isn't Nazerath some where in the middle east?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: '...'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'Socialism: . A theory or policy of social organization which aims at or advocates the ownership and control of the means of production, capital, land, property, etc., by the community as a whole, and their administration or distribution in the interests of all'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Yeah, I don't think Jesus ever advocated that.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Sepulchure, if you did not read the new testament (gospels), you may be clueless as how socialist Jesus Christ actually was'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'He advocated personal humility and private contribution to charity.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'I don't see anywhere that he was advocating that the government should care for the needy, but rather that private individuals should take their own initiatives to do so.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'That is not the same as government-enforced equalization.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'Well I think your also missing that socialism isn't just a set in stone definition, another definition includes "A state of society in which things are held or used in common"'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Yeah, he didn't even advocate that.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sepulchure nods at Morinon.
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'nods at Morinon'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'note how Jesus Christ acted as an employer - whether workers labored for a whole day or for an hour, the wages were the same <-- that is socialism '
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'That was a parable.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'furthermore, he did not say that everyone should do likewise, nor that the government should force them to do so -- and that wasn't the point of the parable anyway.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'No.... Xyliz your describe communism'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'It was saying 'no matter how late you are to the party, you get the prize'.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'No, communism is 'we pretend to work, and they pretend to pay us''
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'heh.. Well that might be true but either way at the end of it, you all make the same wage'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Morinon, so when Jesus was flapping his lips telling some parables, that was that, mere lip exercises without any deeper meanings. tsk'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'regardless of time worked'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'he didn't say that. '
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'I'm saying you're only looking at surface meanings and distorting them to support your flawed hypothesis, instead of actually looking at the deeper meaning.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'That parable wasn't about economics.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'I would actually be more inclined to state that his true nature wasn't political at all.. But rather RELIGIOUS :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Morinon, says you.  perhaps Socialists may say otherwise.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Yes, but that's because they're lying, or maybe just stuck on your level.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Considering that JESUS explained the parable right after, and it sure wasn't about economics...'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'St James said "Faith without works is dead" <-- in a context that was certainly socialist '
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'No.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'That is supporting personal acts of good.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Not communal.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'A community cannot have faith. And individual can.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'an*'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'There is a difference between 'This is what God wants' and 'Therefore, we should have laws to do what God wants''
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'individuals make up a community, so a community can have faith'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Jesus stated (loosely paraphrased here:) that the kingdom of heaven was where the heart of charitable works was'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'Yes, and again, that's a model for individuals, not for a society.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'perhaps socialism would actually work in the kingdom of heaven.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Sepulchre, a corporation is also made up of individuals, but faith is not a property of a group, it is a property of a person.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Jesus Christ also hinted that the kingdom of heaven was (supposed to be) here on planet earth'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Well, yes, if it hadn't been for the fall.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'if like minded individuals gathered together to form a community/corporation does that communtiy or corporation not have a faith then?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'A corporation does not have a soul.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'no, morinon, Jesus was new testament not old tesament'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'No, the corporation is like a Church it is a place for individual people to practice their faith.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Xyliz, he was a Jew who had grown up among Judaism.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'He used the OT.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'He most definitely used the pentateuch.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Jesus was rejecting the Old Testament'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'No he wasn't.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: '"I have not come to replace the law, but to fulfil it."'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Reading comprehension. Get some.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the original law, not the corrupted Old Testament laws'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Morinon pats Xyliz on her head.
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Now you're putting meaning into his mouth to fit your argument.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"Reading comprehension. Get some" -- right back at you'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'No, that's not reading comprehension.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'That's creative interpretation.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Also known as lying or willful ignorance.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'advanced reading comprehension!'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'Making shit up is not advanced reading comprehension.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'It's not even particularly good rhetoric, although I suppose it's good enough for politics.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'I cannot find anywhere where Jesus ever advocated that the government should force people who fail to live up to moral standards to do so.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'He did a lot of 'This is what God wants you to do' but very little of 'so pass laws to make sure everyone does what God wants''
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kraken: 'surely not.. you're talking about the bible and religion, and complaining about "creative interpretation"?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'In fact, one can argue that he supported a seperation between the laws of god and the laws of man.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'perhaps most of you christian (and perhaps selfish atheists) do not comprehend what the new testament is actually stating'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'Or perhaps it is you who fail to comprehend.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Given the line 'Give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, and give unto God that which is God's''
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kraken: 'wake'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'MAjic, wrongly speculative conjecture leads to error'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'I'm a bit fan of stating that Christianity is faulty, misunderstood, and therefore not worthy of me.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'Which is why you're in error :P'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'No, not at all'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Majic was responding to Xyliz, not you, Theyer.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'nod yeah I caught that after I responded heh'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'snicker'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'and maybe Jesus was equivocating as to what was God's (everything) and what was Caesers (very little)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'And maybe you just want to put a spin on everything that fits your hypothesis.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Rhetoric, not logic.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kraken: 'morinon.. you're talking about a 2000 year old book, and you're complaining he's spinning it wrong?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kraken: 'seriously. it's that old that everyone's psoinning it.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kraken: 'erm, spinning'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the "hypothesis" here "answers" far more than the darkness where you are at'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'Question: Are any of you actually Christian?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'Well, the real issue is that you've decided for yourself what's right and what's wrong, and are interpreting everything to give what you want.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Oh, that is true, but given the amount we actually know about the culture it was born in 2k years ago, we can come much closer to an objective understanding than Xyliz is attempting.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kraken: 'why would i be? as far as i can tell, it's got some good and bad stuff in it, but there's no evidence that's convinced me that it's actually true.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Morinon shrugs helplessly.
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'nod Exactly'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Well, Xyliz is arguing from an assumption it is factual, and thus it is on that assumption I am arguing against him.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'In fact, the very definition of God actually makes it clear that there is no god.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Because if he makes that assumption, he's horribly misrepresenting the results.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Really? Which definition of God is that?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'I can come up with 20 off the top of my head.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'and the funny thing is that he runs around talking about how much of an antitheist he is at other times :P'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'But please, give us this definition of God that precludes the existance of God.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'One word:  Omniscience.. god is all knowing, he is the first and last. The very fact that He KNOWS everything implies his fault. He knew I would be born and not believe in him,  and did not feel the slightest remorse as to me being put into Hell for all eternity.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz is an atheistic antitheist, and is aware that the Bible is a collection of fiction books and that Jesus Christ never existed except as a fiction
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Your mom never existed except in fiction.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'OH BURN!'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'heh :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Theyer: You are assuming that the universe has to conform to your personal worldview including its (largely Christian-influenced) measure of compassion.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'It does not.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'I am personally a hopeful agnostic.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'No, I'm not assuming everything. If God exists outside of time, then Godbs knowledge is also timeless b this means that God knows the past, present, and future simultaneously.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Yes, Theyer, but your assumption does not preclude the existance of God.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'Sure, but maybe God knows that you're going to Hell and doesn't care :P'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'It may be that God is really a dick.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'I don't see how it precludes the existence of God.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'what mori said :D'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'God is permanent in the eyes of Christians. There is NOTHING God cannot do... Except one thing. Thats Change'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'A bit OT, but I really recommend the book 'Calculating God' if you like science fiction and the "does god exist" genre.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kraken: 'nothing precludes his existance. however, there's no huge evidence of it either, or at least none that's convinced me'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'Gods have come before your Christain God, who were ALSO believed to be almighty. Take Thor, a once mighty God who is now on a video game'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the christians are unable to comprehend what the Bible is actually stating, (else they'd not be christians long - they'd convert to some other belief, preferably ethical atheistic antitheism)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'Or Horus who actually has the same Story as Jesus. Born of Osiris (virgin birth), crucified on a cross, and reborn 3 days later.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'Its all the same story, just passed down'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'and Hercules, mothered by a mortal'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'or secular humanist to use a more PC term, Xyliz'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kraken: 'don't they all follow from the epic of gilgamesh anyway?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'Your mom follows my epic gilgamesh :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'Defining oneself to be right based on circular logic ... win?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'circular logic usually means you are playing a different game, so the others can't beat you :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'while false: debate()'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'hehe'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'That is actually the hardest part about ANY debate. Your only waiting for the other person to shut their mouth so that you can say what you want'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'well, if that's the way you're debating you're pretty boring and people tend to wander off'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'I talk to people because I'm interested in their arguments and logic.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'Debate actually does not promote understanding... even if someone is 100% right, there is always opposition due to power struggle, and the ego.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'well I'm off for a bit :)  Was fun chatting.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'what time of the morning is a good time to start drinking?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'never'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'never alcohol'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'why do you think it is that they can invent a robotic arm for a international space station, hook it on while floating in 0 gravity (or relatively so) then are unable to automatically recycle old jelopper vehicles into minefield sweeping machinery?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine, you can use the same technology from the space station, to better cool your compound'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they could even recycle the scrap with a portable field mine-sweeper automaton creation facility'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: '..soldier killed by roadside bomb.. killed by a land mine .. '
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine land mines also kill toddlers who arent penned'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'yeah, but there's probably alot more that could be done to prevent them dying '
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yep... contraceptives'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they have the world mapped as of 2005-2006 to within 10 metres minus 15 degrees of the north and south poles which they probably just didn't release - with this data they could hover satellites above a battlefield and use one of their several supercomputers to constantly update a real-time satellite image of the battlefield and observe what the enemies are up to, if you know where your troops are, where civilian's of a certain number are, what shape the animals are, and how to notice a deviation in the amount of bodies being observed out of place'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'or hey, look at that strange humanoid figure out here that doesn't fit with logistics, lets ring this in for inspection'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'how many camera's and to what zoom can you fit on a satellite?  may they be infrared as well?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yes.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'pre-existing land-scape to go with, minimal computer resources neccessary'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'military-grade satellite imagery is capable of 2-3 meter resolution.  They have a whole division dedicated to converting those to less-precise public images.  They do NOT release any of the former, for any reason.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Nuala screams something out and runs off into the hills!
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it's got its pro's and it's con's, we can observe an exploding planet 1800 light years away from us as it collides between two stars, but only manage a 2-3 metre resolution from .. 15-20,000 metres in the sky above the world?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'need a closer look to really differenciate and identify your terrain, don't you?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if we are actually viewing the planet in question, it's at least 6 times the size of Jupiter.  We don't yet actually have the capability to see any planet anywhere close to the size of Earth.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'also, stuff on Earth is "busy" whereas stuff way out in space doesn't change much even across thousands of years of viewing.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but with your computer's able to process a trillion trillion instructions in a fraction of a second you should possibly be able to keep track of deviation's minus the given's such as wind speed unless focused on, searching for terrestrial bodies and aircraft (drone's) among other things, profiling what is suspicious from what is not, observant of subversion tactics and drawing attention to those in real time updates'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you already have that map, probably would take less than a day to update that terrain down to a fist sized rock'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but if you used something like that and people were aware it's possible then there'd be less casualties and less excuses for civilian casualties, wouldn't there?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'hypothetically, it was a join project with several nations who's politics consider themselves hostile to one another'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, it's not a universal technology, which is why we have superpowers and militarily-poor nations.  The US does not actually share its best tech with anyone, but they do let allies have closer reasonable approximations in comparison to enemy/untrustworthy states.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'well that's understandable, question is what's the end-plan?  and do you underestimate those other guys intelligence agencies?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'that's not the reason why you have superpowers, you have superpowers because they can afford to build the weapons without starving the majority of the population.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'the physics of weapons development is not a function of the nation that uses it.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i seen russia produces its own fighter airplanes and commercial flight jets if it wants, does america do the same?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you hear about them purchasing these things, from who?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'of course not, this is why DARPA and other financially-backed governmental research entities buy up all the stuff they can.  By being "the man", they can control who the contractors can release their stuff to.  If the contractors do not obey, at best they don't get the lucrative government contracts anymore and at worst they get into major legal, political, etc trouble.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'what does an idle soldier do?  could they be put to work building machinery?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'Military complex, private sector builds the planes'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the latter is very, VERY expensive, and even if they don't do anything wrong the simple concept of litigation is enough to kill the profitability of an incorporated entity.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'theyer, monosophy'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: '-'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'better to produce things for yourself than be indebted (and entrusted) to somebody else, isn't it?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it's giving out a civilian flight code, what shall we do?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'soldiers don't just lay around doing nothing when not fighting.  They are just like the white/blue collar folk in the private sector.  Provided we don't end up in another wartime event, the entire US economy could switch overnight to a military-industrial model and practically nobody would really notice.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'dealing in killing people and things like that, do you think it's wise to trust a private entity with the tools you use?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the assembly line concept puts a lie to that thinking, Necro.  We produce by far more things when we divide the process.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'of course, that plentitude comes at a significant cost since now you're enslaved to the process.  Basically, you've been divided and conquered.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if jeffrey dahmer was turning a socket wrench all day long on a warship, would he have had time to get into his sadistic killing spree mindset?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'dig a hole soldier, fill it up soldier'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'sir yes sir'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"divide the process" is obscure and ambiguous'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'this is not assembly line drill , this is just pointless'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necro, by the way, do you think that kazynski's method of sun drying urine in heavily fertilized soil really makes burnable crystals?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'KNO3 production from urine'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'yes, he would.  It takes just 2-3 weeks for the body to get used to a particular exercise routine and render said routine useless from a health benefit perspective, so once Dahmer got past that he would not be nearly as tired-out after work.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'xyliz, K = potassium?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'yep'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so it really works?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'King Henry VIII liked the process'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'not well enough to be worth doing, otherwise the water closet would not be nearly as popular as it is today'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar, profit or no, in some parts of the world, nitrates are difficult to buy'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'xyliz, does that mean then, that potassium nitrate can be used as a fuel source?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i never knew king henry liked anything but women'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i rmeember hearing about him and beheadings ?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'no idea, a "fuel" was not what the British the KNO3 for'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'what'd they use it for, if not to fuel cannons?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'fertilizer'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ah cool, like to fertilize plants and etch sabers and such?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that's what fertilizer means'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'VD, you are misusing the common definition of "fuel"'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'xyliz ok. what is the proper common def during the rule of henry the 8th'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'feet and wheels'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'k. horsepower eh'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar, so KNO3 is more useful for plants, than for burning?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'if you are attempting to be asinine, not interested'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'xyliz, i asked dokkar'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'have you ever tried to burn shit, VD?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar literally, no, other objects, yes'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but i've seen it done'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i've also burned pinecones, which as it turns out is a fire hazard'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that's because of the surface area of the pinecone, not what it's made out of.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'really? i heard it was because the bits and pieces could propel out of the fire site and cause nearby brambles or other matter to catch fire, thereby spreading a fire from a controlled site, to an unctrolled site'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'they do make a neat popping noise, though'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar, besides though, if kno3 is being made from soil + urine + air + sun, wouldnt it make more sense to do that locally to the plant than to transport it as fertilizer?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, because there are other chemicals in play that need to be dealt with first.  It'd be like vitamin water, except really bad for you.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ok.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'compost heaps produce decent earth for growing vegetables, but a garden vegetable is not going to grow in an active compost heap'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'how complicated is all that though?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'if henry #8 could do it, it doesnt sound so bad'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'xyliz i thought that was because the compost keep had to be kept warmer'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'to improve microbial digestion?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i dont see why a tomato wouldnt grow in a compost heap otherwise... ( i think tomatos are sort of vegetables even if they have seeds)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'what is this, talk down to the idjit hour'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they are fruit.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'tomatoes are fruits.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'they're a berry'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar, my high school taught us that they're vegetables, and that apples are fruit'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dynamo, that's what the internet taught me'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'your high school misled you'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you had some really shitty science and/or home ec teachers.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos, in many ways.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar i didnt take home ec after junior high, stupid sewing lessons, i'm not going to med school, why do i need that'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'just because tomatoes don't grow on trees, doesn't make them vegetables. In that case, pineapples would also be vegetables.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'xyliz, so you're saying, that for some reason, a plant cannot grow in active compost soil'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos, pineapples grow on trees'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'because I didn't know which class taught you that tomatoes were vegetables.  If you didn't learn this from your science teacher I had to come up with an alternative source that made sense (ie, cooking)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'don't they?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'in the USA, for import tax purposes, tomatoes are a "vegetable" -- another example of corrupt USAmerican politics where science is involved'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'yes, if you consider the tree about 1 foot high.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos, is it coniferous?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'pineapples, watermelons both grow along the ground.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i never grew a watermelon, but i did swallow some seeds'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'watermelons grow on vines'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar, so do cabbage patch kids?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a greedy state in the USA wanted to patent the value of Pi (as a rational value) --- another example of uneducated greedy USAmerican politicians'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'xyliz, ok, so back to point, you're saying i should not compost in the same soil, that i plant plants?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and the kno3, is or is not useable as a fuel for fire?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'did not say that'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'in the same soil that i actively compost'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: '?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'here is a picture of a pineapple before it is picked, VampireDude: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pineapple'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'active compost + active plant + same soil = bad?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, cabbage patch kids are buried in the ground, they provided the inspiration for such wonderful films as Motel Hell (ie, cut out the vocal chords of the victims and bury them in the ground up to their necks, then when properly aged cut them up and sell them as The Best Damn Jerky to other humans)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos its ok, i don't have pineapple seeds'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'actually you bury the entire pineapple :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'the seeds are too small.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos really?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hmmn'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but then what do you eat'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'oh, the kids'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'got it.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, if you want to plant it, you don't eat it.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'with potatos you can eat half, and grow half'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'VampireDude, are you a jew of spanish descent -- you seem to be asking questions you may already know the answers to merely to waste the effort of others'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'xyliz just because i asked about nitrates and urine doesnt make me jewish'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'that's rather bigotted...'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'but we already know Xylis is a bigot :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'in this day and age, I would probably just call him American for not googling any of this.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar, i heard if you google nitrates you get on a list'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'heh, if you use google for anything you get on a list.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'google is the internet branch of the NSA.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's not just google.  There are sophisticated packet-sniffing spiders crawling over every little 1 and 0 that traverses the internet.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'prejudices start because of bad annoying habits practiced by minorities -- may as nip those bad habits before the accumulated annoyances from those bad habits result in pogroms'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'xyliz, so for example, if irish catholics all said 'aint' it'd spur on others to be prejudicial towards irish catholics?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'ok, Xyliz, how about the annoying habits of the majorities?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos irish catholics arent a majority anymore'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'most everything that enables online communication at all is required to build in certain private pathways that the government can exploit so that it can (but not necessarily will) spy on everything we do.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'I am sure you really believe they won't necessarily use them.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar that seems reasonable. like having checkpoints on tax funded highways'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but if one had a corporate intranet, that should be private in a sense'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'no, it is not reasonable, VampireDude. You can't both bee a "free" nation and spy on your citizens. One or the other, but not both.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'well, as long as the citizens are free to spy back, or conceal their activities, i dont see as much of a problem'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'this is so that they can deal with threats without having all our firewalls constantly tripping as some unknown anonymous ip tried to get in.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'in america, there used to be a hobbyist group of people that would take photos of undercover law enforcement types and surveillance crews and make them more public'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'masjorities usually do not (pretend to or) get offended when you tell them that what they are doing is crap'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'I am not going to debate whether the spying is necessary. But to label the nation as "free" while doing what the "unfree"  nations do is the epitome of hypocrisy.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos shrug, governments all wear the same size shoes whether monarchies or communists or democracies'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'you should only have to worry about being spied on if your doing something illegal otherwise who cares'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'in my state it is a minimum 10 year felony prison term if you hoist an anarchist flag over any building. =)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'akuri what if something not illegal, could be released publically to shine a negative light on you in public forums'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'true but the former Soviet Union never claimed to be citizen-friendly. They would tell you right out that if they stepped out of line they would come down on them. The US tells the world, loudly, that it is a free country. Yet, their tactics are the same.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'for example, if you had an abortion,  were gay, had a historectomy, had a narrow urethra, or so on else'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'all sorts of things, that are easily accessible under the patriot act, could be used as ammunition if instead of a benevolent governor, you had a tyrant'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'only a dumbass falls for the absolutes trap.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'depends on what they might want to crack down on'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'as I said, I am not going to debate whether the government should do those things or not. I will complain, however, to their doing so while claiming to be a free nation.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos, free nations can freely decide to do so'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'most of us willingly sign away our rights anyways when we click the accept button to use software '
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'our country also gets to sponsor germ warfare research in south america...'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'big deal?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i get spied on without doing anything illegal and they flaunt it elaborately through various internet channels'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, you can freely decide to not be free, but once you do so you are not free to decide anything.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'akuri not me, i am gonna get 5 dollars out of microsoft one of these days... just waiting for a product problem that earns me the chance'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i like to see how much they can see by taunting them and testing them'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos, hobbes would disagree with you'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'that's his privilege.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and his per-og-a-tive '
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'prerrogaaaattiiive! yay.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i should learn to spell'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'but that doesn't affect me in any way I can imagine.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'who's going to read 10,000 lines of irrelevant text to pioece together a half-agreement in two lines separated by 100?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine, to be fair, it is repeated at the end in french'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and i do ^_^'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you aren't even on their radar, Vampire.  There's a whole army of grunts just like you whose sole job is to determine the context of your activity, so if they deduce that you are harmless nothing will announce their observation of you to the public.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you letting the average human use your einstein warfare you should speak to them in legible formate'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i'm glad i siwtched to bsd though, way less reading'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i miss flash applets though'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar, but what's all this got to do with the kno3?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'some may tell a christian that christian beliefs are wrong and they ought to smarten up and follow a decent philosophy, and the christian is not offended -- not so with a specific (unnamed here) minority'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'umm, no.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'xyliz, i dare you to e-mail someone at Rhema that.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'heh, Xyliz. Don't you ever read history. Christians have shed the blood of those who offend them many times.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'unless by "offended" you mean "militant"'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"Rhena" sounds like a minority'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos, the queen of england is a christian too, if you ask the anglican church ( run by a woman)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'let's learn how to spell I-n-q-u-i-s-i-t-i-o-n'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"Rhema" sounds like a minority, and not christian'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'by clicking ok , you agree to have all of your files accessible to the private interest group that holds stocks in this product along with the government of its origin and (possibly) your own government, anything you type can and will be used against you in Ai warfare and psychological profiling of human deviation patterns for use in advanced military heuristics'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'xyliz, try checking out their website, and the google photos of their major sized church =)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'The Church of England is nominally Christian. It's like California seceding from the US so that they can grow marijuana legally.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos, that wrecked their economy though'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and btw we're just kidding (ahahaha) epic games, for all men are liars and only god is true'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'oh they're just kidding, i see, it's a tinfoil hat thing'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'all forms of the Protestant church are Christian.  Christianity isn't even a religion anymore, so much as an umbrella group for a like-minded but disparate group of peoples who follow the teachings of a specific movement in differing ways.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'you need a tin foil hat to detect god, Necro.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos, how can i get tin foil, all of mine is made of alu mini um'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar, if you can stop bashing christians for a moment, answer me on the kno3?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'all forms of the Protestant Church are protestant. By calling themselves protestants they tacitly admit that the true church is the Catholic Church :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Modern first world Christians, being in the majority, no longer shed blood in the name of their religion -- shedding blood for oil and economic advantage, that is different'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos, the catholic church is still excommunicated from disciples of st john?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'xyliz modernism is not the same as traditionalism'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'you can have a branch excise the tree, VampireDude.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'can't, that is.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they don't put it like that though, but there's quite a bit of evidence out there that shows that that's basically the game they play'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos but isnt the supposed to be jesus?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'that*'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'Protestant churches are offshoots of the Catholic Church.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos not all of them'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Jesus is not the founder of Christianity, he's an end-gamer like Ultimate.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'some were started by apostles and remain apostolic sees.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: '^_^'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'if they aren't they aren't Christian, by definition. I don't know what the Mormons are, but I wouldn't call them Christians.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they are Christians.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos the mormons say they believe in the divinity of jesus christ... that makes them christians'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'or at least, it makes them professed christians. whether or not they act like it is a case by case just like with catholics'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Catholicism is what most people view as Christian today, but basically anyone who believes in Jesus that isn't already Jewish or Islamic is Christian.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, we can argue that all day, I suppose. However, after the death of Jesus, there were 2 churches established. The Coptic Church and the Catholic Church, there weren't any others, not officially anyway.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar, catholicism in rome is very different from catholicism in south america'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos there were 7 churches established according to the catholic version of the bible?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'and after the rise of Constantine, the Catholic Church became the only church until the rise of the protestants. Calvin and Luther notably.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and several sees are established without the same basic hierarchy of the catholic church and its bishops?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'the Catholic version of the bible would never admit to any other church let alone 7 others :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos there were 5 major christian churches at the time of constantine right?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos want to bet 5000 aard gold on that?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'there were more than that.  The Bible has clearly been found to be an edited work, with some portions deemed heretical or otherwise not a good fit to the image desired.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if there's some benevolent gatekeeper after my last breath , then i'm sure he wouldn't mind me doubting his or her or its existance until i met them, seeing as how this world is a evil pile of demonic foreskin's wearing plastic halo's and cheap sneakers'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'I am not talkinb about buildings I am talking about philosophical advocates of Jesus.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'oh you mean people lie?  oh what makes you not a liar?  oh oh i see i see, not really but sort of'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine ah, but god isnt just a god of the dead, but of the living too ^_^'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'satan is god here according to the bible, but god is too go figure'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'at any rate, whatever offshoots there were, Constantine put a stop to them.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos ok, so st paul, for example, or st john, or st peter, or st mark, or st luke, or st judas thomas ?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'they didn't establish churches, VampireDude.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'some churches try to call michael the (arch) angel a saint too, which seems uncanonical to me.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'or Saint Mary.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'if angels don't have souls, and angels will be judged by saints... it seems wrong to refer to an angel as a saint.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, angels are saints by default.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos, i disagree.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'if angels do not have souls, how can they be saints.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'angels are men without the get-into-heaven-free card'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'Michael, Raphael, Gabriel, they were all sainted by definition.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos, how can they be, without souls?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'and who said they don't have souls?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'the catholic church?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'not to say that anyone has a soul :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i have a gun, let me tell you about god, you listening? i'm not gonna ask you twice, no? boom, next, ok let me tell you about god. 10,000 sheep flock to the wise guy'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'do angels have souls? no. do dogs have souls? no.  '
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'does anyone have a soul? no.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'lets exploit empathy, sympathy apathy and gullibility'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos, will you sell me your soul for a trivia point token?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'fear is a major player in our lord'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'saints are people who do good deeds perhaps miracles and are recognized by the church as such otherwise they are just ordinary people '
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'I wouldn't want to cheat you, VampireDude. I have nothing to sell.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos oh, i'll take a proper bill of lading for it, and when it comes, it comes'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, in that case, Akuri. Angels qualify.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'in the hierarchy of angels, men and saints don't rate high enough to threaten the commonly-known (ie, important) angels.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos no, angels are not human, and never were.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'same with demons.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'you don't have to be human to do a good deed :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'at least, in christianity =)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos, you do have to be a human to have a soul though.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'actually, that's not true in all cases, VD.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the RCC prefixes Saint or St to angel names:  St. Gabriel, St. Michael, St. Raphael'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar, in christianity it is.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'xyliz yes, and that seems uncanonical to me.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'that is correct, Xyliz.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Lilith was never an angel.  She was Adam's first wife.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'is lilith even mentioned in the bible?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'but the cannon is set by the church, so how can it be uncannoical?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but the reason for that, as i understand, is they are referring to those angels as intercessors whom can carry the prayers of men to god / crown their prayers'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'another apple that doesn't exist maybe'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'a reed shaken in the wind'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and for that reason referring to them as saints, much like the regular saints.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'is that your understanding of the reason why, or no?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'regular saints?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'in certain versions they were, but when Constantine did the big meeting to pare down the holy books it was changed.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos yep. like st peter, for example, or st francess, or st katerine or st thomas aquinas and so on?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'in the post-Constantine bible, Lilith is referred to indirectly, as well.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'Likeness.. Limit , no lilith in concordance'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'besides, that definition of saint is rather narrow. According to the church, a saint is actually anyone who gets admitted to heaven. For instance, a baptized child who dies, will go to heaven and thus become a saint without having done a conscious good deed :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'king james version'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos wrong.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'if you say so.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'its any human who from earth, is admitted to heaven =)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and the consideration for a baptized child is not absolute'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'heh, Necro. Lilith was Adam's first wife.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos first lay, or first wife?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'same difference.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ignorant =)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'but since he devorced her, she must have been his wife.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i see, it might be in there somewhere, since michael isn't in concordance either'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'first wife.  God got it wrong the first time, which is why humans have TWO short ribs instead of just the one that the bible says God took from Adam.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine, the names of the 3 wise men vary from tradition to tradition too'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you know what's interesting though, is that names such as beelzebub have alternative meanings when translated from hebrew or aramaic?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar first wife in the carnal knowledge sense, or first wife in the ceremonial sense?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine, see above'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'both, VD.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar, let's agree to disagree.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'some people think Shu means air, but is the prince of the air or God of the air in egyptian mythology as translated from hieroglyphs to english, is it just air or spirit?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine, while you're at it, add in demiurge/demogorgon and sophia ...'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'nothing like a few good heresies.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, that's true Necro. That is why reading the Torah is so interesting. You could read it both as Aramaic or Hebrew and get a different slant. Not to mention the internal confusion due to the lack of vowels.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos the torah doesn't seem like it can offer very many interpretations?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but who translated those hieroglyphs may be innacurate in what's reported about them, so it's difficult to rely on them - moses is said to haev been learned in egyptian spirituality'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the names of most demons and angels were taken directly from pagan beliefs subsumed by the Christian-following civilizations that conquered their heathen neighbors.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'on the contrary, the meaning of the Torah is in the eyes of the beholder.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar, that's not true, some demons have specific names with specific meanings in hebrew'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that's why I said most, not all'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos if you say so, to me it seemed pretty straightforward, simple, and strict'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'it should be said, the Hebrew, Aramaic, and Arabic were close enough.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar, i think it is a small minority of demons that were named in foreign religions'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'the differences were dialectic.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the basic problem with conquering the heathen neighbors was that you then had to deal with the heathens.  Since the masses generally didn't want to slaughter them wholesale to the point that there were no more heathens, their leaders had to entice them into the conquering civilization.  To do this, the religious leaders of said civilization had to come up with ways to make the original Christian beliefs jive with the heathen view.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos, by the way, do you like the area ' into the long nite' with all its padre pio related stuff?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, both demons and angels' name end in -el (or -er).'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar yeah, rehoboam and jereboam did that too?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos some of them do.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but the cool thing about sigils is you can write the same name a lot of ways'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'the -el suffix is specific.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos some end in 'ah' instead, and its interchangeable in a lot of names'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i read a bit of a theory on something like you're saying dokkar, if you read the wiki on anhur and maybe more informative articles on it you see it takes the place of various egyptian deities as the romans use it, from foreign god to anhur-shu for instance, to saviour, rally the people for war yeah, ride on '
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'anhur likes war too'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the consort of sekhemet'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine, what about sokar?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine, wikis arent exactly impartial though are they'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'it is interesting to note, that Christian, Jewish and Islamic religions sport the same angels by the same names :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos just the top ranks.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'same elephant, different parts examined'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and the islamic angels like gabriel way more than michael.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the theory involved viking beliefs and how they fearlessly died in battle and it was an honourable thing to not be a coward on the field, and the article pointed out some alignments in the christian texts that sort of assimilated the same mindsets'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, since you couldn't count the number of angels on a the head of a pin, I am sure that they didn't name them all :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it's on sacred-texts website, maybe the history of the devil'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and to be fair, gabriel was better looking'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hmmn.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'was ramiel the one whose name meant that god heals?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'or was that uriel ...'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): VampireDude sobs in misery.
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i should totally learn hebrew better.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'though, Tobias was an angel, so I guess I over-generalized.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'xyliz, can you teach me hebrew, ?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos, i've never heard of an angel named tobias'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'nevertheless...'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i remember a story of tobit + azariah in which azariah was an angel.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but never an angel named tobias?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but a lot of those -ah endings match guys like obediah and nehemiah and so on too'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ezekiel's name coulda been written differently and had the same meaning.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos, so tell me about this angel of yours named tobias?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'Tobi (or Tobi el niqo con alas) is 1978 film about a little boy who with no explanation develops a pair of wings on his back giving him the appearance of an angel. The boy draws the attention of his community, including doctors, scientist and even his schoolmates. ...'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ah. a movie. '
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'okay. so anaristos has run out of bible and is using movies? k'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Necroshine throws back his head and cackles with insane glee!
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'Toby is a popular male name in many English speaking countries. The name is ultimately derived from Hebrew and roughly translates as "The Lord is Good"'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine, what did that adonai thing from jesus's crucification mean again?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i have no idea, behemoth mentions rise and fall of adonai in their alas lord is upon me music video though'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'abba abba is what i remember why have you forsaken me'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'right, or by some accounts him calling for elisha and then the wine soaked rag and then he dies'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'wouldnt it be funny if somebody had poisoned the wine soaked rag =)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'flaying, flogging, spearing, crucifiction, and then accidentally drinking poisoned wine that was meant to kill some onlooker'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine but i remember part of his last words included adonai, just dont remember what adonai was ^_^'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'A Hebrew word translated lord, that can be used to refer to a person or for the divine name. Ancient Hebrew practice was not to pronounce the sacred name of God (YHWH), but instead to substitute 'Adonai. (See YHWH).'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'however much you can trust in their definition there'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ah. k'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'define:google'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ncroshine, see, i totally should learn hebrew. even though anaristos and xyliz left'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'in this case, Wiki is parroting the Hassidic Texts.  It's a sin on the level of suicide to directly name God.  You always say "The Name" or "The God" or some other "He Who Must Not Be Named" reference.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'oh, voldemort style'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'ok, I was wrong. Tobias was not an angel, he met an angel (Rapahel)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'that makes sense though, invoking the attention of a supreme judgemental moody deity, while not in a state of purification could be bad.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos ah, so that's the same story of tobit and azariah then?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: '1 ADONAI said to Moshe, "Go to Pharaoh, for I have made him and his servants hardhearted, so that I can demonstrate these signs of mine among them, 2 so that you can tell your son and grandson about what I did to Egypt and about my signs that I demonstrated among them, and so that you will all know that I am ADONAI." 3 Moshe and Aharon went in to Pharaoh and said to him, "Here is what ADONAI, God of the Hebrews, says: 'How much longer will you refuse to submit to me? Let my people go, so that they can worship me.  http://www.biblestudytools.com/cjb/exodus/passage.aspx?q=exodus+10:1-29'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'with the fish that restores his father's eyesight, and sammael being bound in egypt?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'yes, apparently. A rather juicy story, I must say :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i guess you can see what context it's used there'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos, what is the meaning of sammael's name?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'and Sarah and the husbands she lost to the demon of lust ;)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Christians at various points have bastardized this by saying God doesn't talk to you and vice versa, thus anyone claiming such is a heretic.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar well, if god talks to you, he better be telling you some useful things'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'otherwise he's setting you up for a lot of problems'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'you mean, Samael? Isn't he the angel of death?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'sammael is the angel mentioned in that story.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I mean in the sense of "Noah, build me a boat or you'll be sorry!"'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and uriel binds him in egypt, as i recall'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'although perhaps that is egypt in the spiritual sense. '
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'heh, there is extensive research into Noah and the Flood...'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine, which book in the bible says that jerusalem's spiritual name is egypt?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'talk about overreacting, Ana. :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar, a lot of racists liked the flood analogy, saying that the flood rid the world of most evil seed, and allowed pure/holy mankind to repopulate'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'there's a verse in the gospel where a 'spiritual place CALLED egypt' is mentioned'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'there are still ethnic religious groups that feel that way.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine, which one of the gospels?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'one of the 4 in the king james bible'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'which one? '
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'There's still people who believe we come from a volcano too.  Doesn't mean it makes sense.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'why does it matter?  it's in one of those or in the text following it'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'Flying Spaghetti MOnster ftw'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i don't parry over trifles, i'm not a bible scholar or lawyer with a pile of reference numbers to back claims claimed in a book'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'theyer, sorry, but the flying spaghetti monster cannot land.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'or he would cease to exist.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'god on the other hand, can undergo kenosis. ^_^'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'heh'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i remember things and collect things to try to understand what they mean'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'there are not THAT many Italians on Earth...'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'consider the saying, 'the people are waters' for instance, then consider 'he parted the waters' in another instance, then consider 'a temple divided against itself, how shall it stand?  if I by beelzebub, ..''
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine but baal zebulon didnt have a solid temple to begin with. too many offspring'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'you know how poison arrow frogs, and lions, just have one kid at a time most times?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if i by 'he who shall not rise?' 'mindless electorate what figure you?''
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'much simpler bloodline that way.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'actually, God can't do kenosis either.  Didn't he pop out of Nothing just like the earliest Greeks?  If he were to pop back in, there'd be no more God (and no more us to wonder about Him)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar, if zeus contemplates internally, the world has earthquakes, floods, and disaster'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'kinda one of the major flaws for claiming you can do anything'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if you're anything and everything, that kinda goes with you when you turn into nothing.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar, remember when brahma manifested himself unborn for the sake of creation?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, I don't remember.  I'm not THAT old. :P'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar, well then, sit down and be quiet ? =) lol j/k'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'speaking of Brahama. I find it interesting that the Hindu religion has a Flood and a Trinity...'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos, it doesnt have a trinity unless you are trying to describe it to a westerner'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'it is a trinity'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'no, it is not.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'that's more the type's of things i look for anyways, what does it mean?  not how much money can i get by professing the meaning as i see it, but finding what it actually means - not exalting my ego and intelligence factor by having every page of a book memorized with alternative definitions in check for every word translated to and fro within it and then professing to be a lawyer - i'm more insterested in the salient understandings that can be gathered through the book, and the way that it is used in the world'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos a trinity would imply equal seating for 3 principals'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'Siva, Brahama, and Vishnu.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'that is not present in hinduism '
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'no, a trinity implies 3 aspects of the same entity.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos ok, let's try a small test then.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'who is older, visnu, or sati?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos, ok, in that sense, julius caesar, george bush, and fidel castro are 3 aspects of the same leader.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'that has no practical use.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'when people offend something valuable to me, and get upset when i attack something valuable to them through speech, i consider them hypocrites'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'actually, that's not true.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if they attack something i value as i attacked something they value beforehand, i try to recognize cause and effect'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Father, Son, and Holy Ghost?  At least one of the two is made to be de facto invalid, since basically one's doing some pretending.  Ergo, there's no trinity.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'cp check'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if there is none, then the first comes into play sometimes'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos in what way, are julius caesar, george bush, and fidel castro not all 3 aspects of a leader?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'lol ooops'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, Necro. Causality implies time ordering... but who orders time?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar, heres a mind bender for you, does the power of god flow to jesus throug the holy ghost?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos, so your goal here is to make up your own religion, which is not hinduism? ok.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'that's like asking if water gets wet when you pour water on it.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos yes. if the water was in ice form'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'but ice and water and water vapor form a trinity.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i disagree.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'water vapor is different.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'different from what?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'water vapor is different from gaseous water =)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so you have taken 2 states of water, and added the 2nd state, held by air'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'if an amateur-researcher only goes for the "salient" understandings of a book, then that amateur-researcher may miss out on the deeper subtle nuances covered by the book'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'you are nit picking.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'there's a pretty cool song called flight of the eagle by om which describe's the sun becoming the wind'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'you are avoiding my question, about the age of visnu , versus the age of sati. '
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'I don't know their ages.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Uhh, they're both made up?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'besides isn't set Egyptian?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and nevermind that, but what about the Commandments sent down to Moses?  If God puts forth an idol of his own creation (ie, God = Jesus), are we breaking any laws by worshipping Jesus?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos, is it really fair, to call odin and loki the same god, if you know nothing about them? any more than calling siva and brahma the same?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar it does sound like idol worship, yep'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar, next question?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'in the Christian sphere, Set is a demon.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'he was also accursed and an anathema in ancient egypt'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'but he was a god.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'they form the trimurti'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but later he was allegedly respected as an evil to beset foreigners =) and ancient egyptians loved cursing foreigners'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'demons and angels are not gods'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar but they can be worshipped as false gods just fine ^_^'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and they'll give blessings'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'the bible says that he who is blessed by the devil is truly cursed... but on the surface dude, a blessing is a blessing =)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'satan's crime was exalting himself above the other angels, wasn't it?  i can see this discrepency about jesus being worshipped, a way out of death or hell sounds alright though, like i said i'll see when i get there - jainism has beliefs in several entities that escaped the cycle of birth and death (i'm not well versed on it, but seen an overview) which can also be seen leaned towards or reflected in part by one of the dead sea scrolls, the gospel according to mary magdelene (or revelation) if i'm not mistaken'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'rishi they called or something'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'btw, maybe look up what "salient" means (in the dictionary) -- the common amateur usage may be different to the proper academic usage'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine nah, his crime was dis-obediance'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'the trimurti are Shiva, Brahma and Vishnu '
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos, once again, that's only true if you are trying to teach a religion to a westerner.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'if you try to teach hinduism to a buddhist, it is different.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'xyliz i prefer salacious?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, excuse me, VampireDude.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'jesus doesn't say he's god though, he says he is not god in the bible - if i'm not mistaken he wants to show people the way towards god'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos no worries, it's not like you called me a spanish jew the way xyliz did'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): VampireDude points excitedly at Xyliz!
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Satan made a bid for godhood.  Or, to put a bit of a positive spin on it, he wanted to elevate angels to God's level.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine don't worry, it doesnt matter what the bible says, it matters that you tithe well, and donate to the church when you die'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'you can pay gold, and recieve a blessing from the catholic church's holy mitten in europe... for example'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'so, you see, to me i can see jesus as both an opposing figure as some of those people may have, a false idol as i hinted at or a benevolent guide who doesn't want to be a domineering murderclause'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'that brings an interesting point, Dokkar. The fact that he made a bid means that reigning god must have had a perceived weakness.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Gabriel ends up making the same mistake, except he's sort of pushed into the role and is beholden to God's Word.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'though these days, the practice is less common, it had the authority of bishops back in the day'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos yep, love of the creation man, rather than that of the strength and beauty of angellic perfection'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'that all jives nicely with the idea that the idea the god of the middle east was developed from an alien visitation :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'of course, if you're mankind, maybe you dont see that as such a flaw?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos , nah.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'lots of gods get derived in the middle east. and not just because of mirages'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'it would make sense if that is what happened.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i wonder why people with cable internet, don't get visited by god as much as people in deserts with more spare time at night'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'it would also explain the carvings and other depictions.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): VampireDude sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos, so you've left bibles, and are now moving to x-files. k'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'and it would also explain that little trip Eliah took.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'just remember, don't drink the black oilbro.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'I've read the bible, but not as a religious object.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'did you watch the x-files, also not as a religious object?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'the cigarette smoking man is not satan!'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'God wasn't really even a factor in battle to cast out Satan, since God is everything.  He could have easily put down the disobedience from the start, but free will is an important aspect of his plan.  God would basically be dividing by zero by forcing his will upon Satan before Satan rebelled against him.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i don't study voodoo or islam because under those belief systems innumerable murders and violations of human rights take place on a daily basis'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar, that's a distortion'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'the x-files I found boring. Its point was to subtly ridicule the possibilities so people would make remarks like the ones you just made :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine um... since when has a believer of islam violated the rights of another muslim?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'fractions of those belief systems?  sure, but how come contrasting fractions of the others don't even approach the steeple of your daily deathcount in 10 years?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'heh, you means that never happens?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos, ok, let me know when the greys land.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you don't know the history of Islam well, do you, VD?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'all muslims abide by the law?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar, i know it better than anaristos knows the bible?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos, in soviet russia, the law abides you?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's gone through its own share of schism just like the Christians did.  That kinda requires that at least one side recognizes their holy rights are being violated.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'you don't know how much I know the bible. I certainly don't promulgate school-taught bible stories.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'if you don't abide laws... laws will find a way of interacting with you.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'lol, school-taught?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'buffy, yes... like in the cartoon movie ' the greatest adventure''
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'that's rather a vacuous remark. If that is all it took, VampireDude, there would be no need for law enforcement.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos, but law enforcement, is such a way.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'never heard of it.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos let's say for example, you're a pirate, and you seize a boat, and another boat, and another, eventually, somebody comes after you to convince you not to steal'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'the fact that law enforcement exists, then, implies that there are those who don't follow the law.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos, hence my statement. ' if you don't abide laws... laws will find a way of interacting with you. ''
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: '(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine um... since when has a believer of islam violated the rights of another muslim?''
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'just remarking on that question you asked, that's all.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anne, it's a time travel movie where people go back and watch biblical stories up close, like this one where a whore lets invading troops into a city and is acclaimed by the conquering nation'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'of course, that couldn't happen because by watching the event the temporal travellers would alter the outcome.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'nah, they just were bystanders ^_^'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'apparently in the cartoon, god allowed it to help better their faith and understanding of the bible'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'depends on whether you could interact with it or if it's just like a videocamera.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'majic, or if you were already there, in a paradoxical way'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that sounds like Bill and Ted's newest movie (Keanu and the other guy recently signed off on a script, I believe)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar yeah, the one where keanu plays spike spiegel?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'the would disturb the medium. Change the air flow, the levels of carbon dioxide, the way the sands would be blown in the wind. All those factors would bear on the outcome.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos unless the original outcome, already included them =)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, in which case they would be trapped in a temporal loop.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'perhaps you end up inside the mind of someone watching through their head :D'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but , as i said, its a cartoon =)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'majic, or perhaps we're already in the mind of a sollopsist god.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'but eh, time travel is pretty far-fetched anyway, might as well make it even more so'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and he just wants to see who will obey him or not?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, the one where Keanu plays Bill (or Ted, whichever was his role in the first two movies)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'all the lego soldiers and toy cars that dont obey, will be melted down =('
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): VampireDude sobs in misery.
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'no no, we're in ... the matrix!'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'majic, i'm not in the matrix.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'did you notice the matrix had no amish people?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'that's what YOU think you think.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'You could consider being a debt-slave in a system run by central banks like being in the matrix.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anne i'm not a wage nor debt slave though, my country is where the bankers hide =)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'did you notice that The Matrix fit inside New York's Central Park?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar never been to that park'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i wanna try the carriage ride someday'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'maybe with a cute girl or a stuffed panda or something'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we didn't actually see a whole lot of "the real world" portrayed in The Matrix.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar thats because it would've required real acting'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'in fact, all we saw was Central Park and a suggestion that the rest of the NY subway system was probably involved.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'where would aliens land when they came to Earth? Well, in the center of the unviverse, the US of A.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'imagine how pissed the US government would be if aliens decided to land in Haiti.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos, devils tower.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'but what if both worlds in The Matrix were merely a projection from another Matrix world'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'remember the rhea pearlman movie with the clay towers?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'xyliz, that was already thought of. francis dec published'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'actually, that movie was also made, Xyliz. It was called the 13th floor or something like that.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos, fail.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'heh, that is what it was called, The Thirteenth Floor :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos that's not the same as what francis dec published'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'The Matrix had three worlds.  The third was only shown in the last few minutes of Revolutions when the 7th iteration of The Matrix fatally crashed and all the survivors were set free.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'never said it was, I was pointing to Xylyz that multiple-matrix ideas have been developed in film.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'there has been no material thus far to explore the possibility that this third world was also a fake, and there was actually a pretty big suggestive scene (also at the end) that reveals the true conflict within the frame of the real world (religion versus science)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'I don't know, I watched the 13th floor, the idea was rather clear to me.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'it'd be fun to go through a tsa security gate with a line full of mimes (in full gear)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'I must say that move wasn't as spectacular as the matrix, but it certainly was a bit more realistic.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you guys see that scene on resident evil where the hallway turns into a grid of lasers and hacks the zombies to pieces?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'yes, Necro. '
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i wonder if they invented shit like that in reality, or if it would require about 150,000 times the amount of energy commonly used by a scientific power grid'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'livermoore labs has that kind of a grid'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine ok, its decided, help me build a bunch of generator like saturateable coils in small form to make my own laser =)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if they do have something like that in reality, that's pretty fucked up'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'shrug, they also helped make the h-bomb, big whoop'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'not the type of place to take the kids after visiting yellowstone national park i guess'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'not even in the same state =)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'this here's where all weapons of mass destruction originate, see here son'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine, you hve kids?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'course not'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'Livermore, Las Cruces, not places to hang out after anything :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ok good, thanks for bleaching your gene pool.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'naaristos, livermore isnt in los cruces though?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'no, they are about 1500 miles apart :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and besides, las cruces has a really cool national onion business'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'even if their nasa facilities doesnt let visitors in =('
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'make that 1000 miles.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos, what's that in kilometers?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: '1609.344 KM'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'wow, that's a lot of kilometers.... that's like more than 10 1600 meter dashes'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'if i drive 112 feet per second, from los cruces, to livermoore labs... how long will it take?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'it's almost exactly 1000 such dashes :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'why would you drive at 112ft/sec?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'because I like to obey speed limits'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i figure this jet that flew over my house earlier was going about mach 2, but it's difficult to tell due to altitude travelling down'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'that sounds like 75mph'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'its close, but i might not drive for a full hour. i will drive for many full seconds.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'sorry, 112ft/sec is about 65 mph :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'like i said, close'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'besides, its easier to count milemarkers to gauge the accuracy of my speed =) when they are seperated by feet'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, at 112ft/sec it would take you a while.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'seperate, or separate? '
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'I just watch the markers on the road.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos you're supposed to count them to see if your speedometer is pretty accurate'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'imagine getting a ticket for speeding, and not having an accurate speedometer, your points on your license would get hosed'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): VampireDude is a safer driver than Anristos.
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'oh, sorry, sir.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'them radar detectors , do they use sonar or light detection to judge speed?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if sonar, then how difficult would it be to develop a sheath for your vehicle that appears like paint but which can send back false signals'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'not difficult at all, that's the principle of stealth.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine false signals is foolish. '
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, I take that back. The implementation might be difficult :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'no signal would make them suspicious'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos, i thought the principle with stealth was zero echo due to adsorption via plastics with geometric triangle shapes and proper oscillations backed by gold with hi reactance'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i heard of paint that somehow defeated the detectors'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine suspicion is different than guilt =)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'high* not hi'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i'm guessing it absorbs and dampens the sonar signal if so'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'then if you're doing 60 mph over the speed of sound, are you speeding?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'nah, stealth is engineered against specific tech, and wave length/forms '
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and that involves radar, not sonar'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine in my city they prefer Li-dar'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so sound isnt so important as being able to out match a laser.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'the trick is to absorb the incoming radiation quickly and then emit a response quickly.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos no, for stealth, the trick is to avoid detection'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'so you need some physics and some materials'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if i marketed a solution to traffic cops would i be charged?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'you need some electric engineering, basic electron physics and some advanced signal propogation concepts'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'but you can't avoid reflecting radiation naturally, which is the principle of stealth. You can, for instance, become invisible if you manage to bend light around your body so that it doesn't impact you. Of course, you wouldn't be able to see anyting either :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and then you need to know the basic operation cycle of the radar they're using?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos you can avoid reflecting radiation, by adsorption'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you was a bettin a criminal that they could defeat our radars and you were'n a right'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'but you can be detected if you absorb the radiation. If the station does not get a feedback signal it tells it that there is something absorbing its emissions. So the best way is to divert the incoming signals so that your surfaces are not impacted, so what the station will be is what's behind you which will be impacted rather than you.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos, no.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos the way radar works, is a time variying response between a series of pulses, minimum 2'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'if there is no return, it is because the pulse did not hit an object to reflect from, result = reading of OPEN SPACE/air'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'you are tell me that if I send out a radar signal and it doesn't come back it won't tell me that there is something out there?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yes.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'there is always a return on a ground station signal.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos no.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'ok'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'okay.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you could probably stealth a machine visually or clothing or other stuff, by setting up camera's which reflect the other side of you and project that side to each side being observed'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine, no'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'not from a radar perspective'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'there's plenty of display technologies out there, and you can get pretty small and energy efficient with them'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar, yes.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'then you stack on the other material's in ingenuitive ways'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine all you need, is to know what kind of radar, lidar, or other tech your enemy's gonna use to detect you, and to shield yourself with the appropriate countermeasures'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'lidar?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if it can't be built then it can't be built, but .. with one and the other and the other and the other existing already, it's probable that they're already trying to fix that'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar brand name laser speed checking gun cops use =)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'radar stations aren't using those. :P'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'they can't afford to run the economy, but they can upgrade equipment =)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar, but necro is moving between air and land =)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar are you sure =)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'yeah, you're stopping at guessing measures though, i was developing a holistic theory of a deadman'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar and in terms of radar for jets, there is ground radar, and air radars too.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'in terms of defeating an active, fixed position radar array, they just need to know where it is , and monitor it long enough to make sure the system on the jet is suitable adapted?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'never underestimate your opponent, so i'm just playing high tech guesses with you, which may or may not be true, but which can be seen to be possible in those measured fractions you mention if you search for the relevant materials'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'radar becomes irrelevent if the other guy can see you without it, so basically both types work on the same principles'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'then it's probably all elementary taken for granted stuff, like ufo's and weather baloons'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar until they lose sight of you, yes =)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that is, you want to control the way the radar bounces off your stuff, not try to avoid it from bouncing.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'until this machine can invent itself, we will not be satisfied'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine well, it is taken for granted, that most of a country's radar systems will be as modern as can be, if they are militarily developed enough for us to care about them'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar, no, you want to adsorb it'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'we've had the basic technology available since the 60s, same way we used to make linoleum and insulation =)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but to completely shield a jet, required the jet's shape to be special too =p'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'has to still fly.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'lemme rephrase then, within the bounds of currently-available technologies, you want to control how the radar bounces off you because nothing yet fully absorbs enough ping to turn you invisible.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'as planes are made of lighter materials, they get more displacement to be afforded to neat gadgets and systems.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar, wrong'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'since the late 1970s, you have wanted to adsorb specific radar waves.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'when travelling at specific speeds.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and of course altitudes'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and thats what certain jets do.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'if they change characteristics of the radar arrays, then those needs can change'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'such as?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'the band? the cycle? the strength? '
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, which jets?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'if you want a more advanced answer, drag a physics guru end .'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar, the a4 for example?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'in * drag them in'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'hmm, you are holding up the a4 as a modern stealth aircraft?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yes.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's not.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'it is here in the usa?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'unless you and i are referring to different A4's'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Are you referring to the A4 Skyhawk?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i'm attempting to refer to the black stealh bomber with the semblance of a reversed W '
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and the gold and polymer innards i have describe already'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'ah, the B2 Flying Wing.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yes, is that not the a-4?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's main stealth feature is the carefully controlled angular surface design that sends radar off on a different trajectory so that the radar receiver never gets it back.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar, i disagree.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I don't think the US has reissued the A4 designation.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i dont care if they re-issue it =) as long as it referred to the plane that is now the b-2 .'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it is.  At the time it was built, there were no radar-absorbing paints that could sufficiently absorb radar.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar, it's not a paint that adsorbs it, its a polymer.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'see above.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they aren't building the plane out of that polymer, it gets painted on.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'no.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'anywho, the main stealth feature of the B2 is that it reflects radar waves away from the originating source, not that it eats radar waves.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar, why carry that much gold, in the craft?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'probably also related to stealth, but there are a number of design features its engineers either didn't think about or had no technology to deal with at the time (mid/late 1980s) it was being designed.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar, i disagree.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'either way, they're not as effective as the simple fact that most of the surface area of the plane is designed to avoid sending radar back to the issuing station.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'the technology required to adsorb, allow to pass, or to reflect specific bands of radar existed decades before'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar, you're misinformed.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and it's still not enough for the government to depend on.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'don't worry, we still have icbms'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"adsorb" is different to "absorb"'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'xyliz, even in terms of fluid dynamics? =)'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'oh, one other important question.  Were you thinking of an attack craft or a bomber?  I believe the F117a is a bit newer than the B2'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"adsorb" indicates that which is adsorbed is yet there and able to be rereleased'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'a bomber, because their main threat outside of a war theatre, is detection by the ground?'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'energy is neither created nor destroyed, only converted'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and in terms of a signal being trapped in an oscillator, i feel it is still trapped there, able to be released'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so adsorb would be suitable in the above use.'
T3/r3/2011-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'now tell us ab-sorb?'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'even that one is getting too old, so they're looking for a new package that more effectively covers the field (hence the F35 JSF).'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'were there oscillators in the polymer'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'just because they want to spend money on a new toy, doesnt mean that its too old'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'xyliz the geometry of the polymer acts as one oscillator, and the gold layer acts as a second'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'oscillator is probably the wrong term.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar, want to bet?'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, not really.  But what about it is causing the oscillation?  Having trillions of moving parts doesn't seem like a good thing in a plane.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"adsorb" is likely the wrong term if the radar signal is not released, unless adsorbing permits the signal to be released in a different direction'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'xyliz which in my way of viewing the signal/electric circuit, it does.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'people have their own way of visualizing signals as they propogate.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you'll have to draw a diagram, then.  Reflection is the term I hear most regularly when describing modern stealth technologies.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar, Ok.     Radar Array --> radar signal/wave --> plane hull --> polymer layer --> polymer layer--> polymer layer -->polymer layer --> gold layer --> discrete electronic circuit.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I said draw, not textually describe.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ascii art is a form of drawing.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"adsorb" indicates the signal is likely to stay in the adsorbing material awhile, which is not the case'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'xyliz, take a quilted paper towel'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'it has several layers of adsorbative material'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'now, spill some water'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'now apply the paper towel'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'is the water, adsorbed by any layer in the towel?'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'if yes. then i feel adsorbtion is an ok term'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a radar signal is not liquid water'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'xyliz yes, it is. in an energy sense'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if it were, someone very much smarter than you would have told another very much smarter person to put it in the dictionary, and would have done a ton of work to explain it to other very much smarter people.  Who would then use the term to filter a layman's version of the explanation to us.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and that same energy is trapped, and can be released, or it could conceivably be fed to a coil in the engine system.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'nope, not in the water towel analogy'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'xyliz yes, in the water towel analogy.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'let's compare the paper towel, to a tank circuit'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'you have a puddle of water, or a magnetic field.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'or in this case, a radar wave'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'if instead of a radar wave, you had a simple fm radio signal'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'the same concept applies'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'it reaches the circuit, and the signal is adsorbed'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a radar signal is either absorbed or reflected or redirected, but not "adsorbed" since the radar signl does not remain in the polymer material'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'hehe, not in the water towel analogy.  adsorption is purely on the surface.  The water in not being kept at the surface of the towel.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'xyliz a radar signal can also be 'trapped in a wave guide''
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar, but the initial act is one of absorption, even if it is re-absorbed by another layer'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'let's say for example, you send a radio signal, with an equivalent of a note of A sharp'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'let's say, you demodulate that signal.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'is it still, the note of A ?'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: '(yes.)'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the water is absorbed into the paper towel -- they call those paper towels "absorbent paper towels"'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yes. xyliz, exactly!'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'just like absorptative diapers!'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and planes with polymers and gold layers to absorb specific bands of radar.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz doubts that "absorptative" is in the official dictionary
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'xyliz, depends on your decade'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'what do you people figure about a blob of oil floating in between the bottom and top of ocean currents in the gulf of mexico, and the concept of rice-filters or modular filters of peat moss developed to encapsulate oil and leave water out?  could you drag a bunch of bucket filter devices like this through the glob, bring it up, and strain it into a tub, let it re-expand and then use it again?'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'would you belive the most recent oxford collegiate dictionary with the blue cover, doesnt even have the table top glassware plateaus =('
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'no shit, peat moss does that, and it's not used for very much besides gardening'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'then there's some component of chicken shit that absorbs or breaks down oil on dry land, so you can consider beaches with that'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine, and snake breeding?'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if you could do that dragging, there'd be no issue with floating trash in the pacific.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i was thinkin how to modify a python to give it a nice set of sharp fangs and mix in that vampire bat saliva so the blood doesn't clot just recently'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine, phytons bear live young, be careful'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'pythons*'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and i think their fangs are already sharp'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'nature always finds a way to fuck you up.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar yes, it's called ' females''
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): VampireDude points excitedly at Xyliz!
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anyways, absorpative and adsorbant are more popular.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'debate absorbative?'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'meh.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'cant type ^_^'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'like, trying to do what Necro said might result in poison-tipped denticles'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'xyliz, i still hold that the sort of adsorption that takes place in a paper towel, is the right kind of adsorption to be applied to the plane.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar, dont bite your tongue. i made that mistake as a lizardman on a mud once'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anyways, tell me more about the practical uses of KNO3?'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'bit mine off, actually.  Lemme tell ya, I'd much rather send my dick through an old-fashioned meatgrinder.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'thats okay princess, biting your tongue off is a requird study for princesses.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'didn't we already go over the use of fertilizer?'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ok, but do i water it too? or just add it to soil 'dry'?'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they found that fertilizer, as drilled above the oil deposits, does cause extensive algae growth and disrupt ecosystems'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and they didn't ave that probelem till within the last 100 years'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they had their shit water , but they also had shit sewage systems in cities'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine, no , i said KNO3'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you need to water it, yes.  Not really for the fertilizer's sake, though'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'Ok?'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'any particular apportionment?'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar, what if i wanted to try melting it?'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'the oxygen in KNO3 will burn right?'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Oxygen of itself does not burn -- attempt to ignite oxygen - does not burn'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'err, did you freeze it first?'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar oh, no, did i need to?'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): VampireDude sobs in misery.
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i havent even seperated it from the soil yet'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, you confused me by asking about melting it.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'blowtorch?'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'why do you want to separate it from the soil?'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If you tried to melt potassium nitrate, chances are it would just decompose to oxygen and potassium nitrite.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'to transport it?'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling is potassium nitrite ok to use for fertlizier , or is nitrate best?'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'has anybody ever managed to make the cheech and chong mobile out of liquidized cannabis?'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And fuck separating it from the soil... just go to the drugstore and buy it.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling the drugstore here doesnt sell it =) '
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'maybe you could patch it together with other narcotics'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'google ' walmart ''
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Not wal-mart'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'walmart.com, not wal-mart.com'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): VampireDude bonks Starling on the head for being such an UTTER moron.
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Why do you want potassium nitrate, anyway?'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling, scroll up 4 hours.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'it goes back to theodore kazynsci, the unchipmunklike'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Don't have that scrollback, sorry.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If I knew what you were trying to do, I might be able to advise.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i asked whether or not he really had made burnable nitrate type crystals from soil, sunlite, and urine.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and xyliz said it was KNO3 and something 'bout henry the 8th'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and i asked if it was as burnable as sawdust pellets.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'To make an ANFO bomb?  Probably just bought ammonium nitrate fertilizer.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and dokkar said its useful for fertilizer'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yeah, you could make ammonium nitrate from soil and piss, but it'd be a pain.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling from what i understand he used glassware, superheated urine in soil and then allowed sunlight to evaporate or otherwise heat the soil bacteria'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I think you understand very little'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling, so tell me more'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i was just wondering if it could be used in place of sawdust pellets for the sake of heating .'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'can ammonium nitrate be used as a fuel source for fire?'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling buries her face in her hand and sighs, shaking her head.
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'not unless you wanted the stove to go KABOOOM!'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Ammonium nitrate is an oxidiser, not a fuel'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'xyliz thats fine.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling i see. so it just re-oxidizing the stuff thats already burning and expending its oxygen?'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: '<--- doesnt know a lot about pyro stuff'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'As I said, I think you understand very little.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: '<--- better on vampire stuff.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Probably a good reason to find something else to do'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'k3wls seldom last long when it comes to pyrotechnics.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'xyliz, legitimately though, if as starling says, its an oxidizer, then it wont actually cause the kaboomness unless there's a large order energy ttransfer?'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'best not to burn something you don't understand.  A little burn could change the last three letters to a really big -OOM.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'when organic compounds are laced with KNO3, the result is likely to burn too fast in a stove'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar, so what about the fertilizer usage you mentioned... if you have say pig or chicken urine, or even starling urine, can't you use those same potassium nitrate crystals rather than move the whole of the soil?'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'xyliz i see'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'what about, if i used it to make green wood burn better?'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I think you must either be a troll, or extremely ignorant when it comes to chemistry'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'wait, xyliz, does that mean KNO3 would class as an accelerant?'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling, the cure for ignorance is to share knowledge, not to insult people. '
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Potassium nitrate is an oxidiser, not an accelerant, not a fuel'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'kno3 is saltpeter'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling was caught! Run! Channel police monitor VampireDude is after you next!
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's used to make gunpowder'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar, ok. so you're saying. that its like potash salt then?'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'OK.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's not "like" anything.  It's potassium nitrate.  That's all.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'green wood is unlikely to adsorb or absorb KNO3, and even if some does coat the green wood, as soon as the KNO3 coated green wood is put in he fiery stove, there is going to be immediate sizzling action, a horrid smell, then not much action'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'isn't that the same thing?'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but then, is that really what kazysnki was using?'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'xyliz ok.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'what coring the log, and filling the core with kno3?'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Ted Kaczynski was probably using ANFO, i.e. ammonium nitrate and fuel oil.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling Ok.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so ammonium nitrate being different from potassium nitrate'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'you'd want to remove... the potassium?'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): VampireDude sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm not sure why you want to know this, but if you can't understand the basic chemistry behind this stuff, then experimenting with it is likely to get you killed.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Necroshine falls down laughing.
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling i understand things once taught.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'just like most people.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'tis like a mad scientists seminar'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'for the laymen before the organized madness appeared in universities'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you DO understand this is the stuff the unibomber was using, right?'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and i understand what kazysnki did in a literal sense, just not in a under-lying reaction sense'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Yosemite Sam in Bugs Bunny cartoons often encounted what KNO3 is able to do fast -- <<<Kaboom>>>'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar yeah, i'm just surprised he used such simple things and got that sort of raw energy out o it'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'xyliz didnt they used to use KNO3 to purify calcium?'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'hence, there could be some potential legal challenges cropping up just by researching this (because people's first thought is that you're trying to make a bomb)?'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar, in terms of legal concept, ' de minimis''
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'you have to have a minimum useful amount for a specific purpose... don't you'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'for example, minimum for personal consumption, minimum for distribution, and so on'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'with licenses and such, yeah.  And AN in any form is probably on the watchlist thanks to Teddy.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'besides, that's AN, not KNO3?'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and the atf license for class b, class a, and (both) is pretty cheap to apply for'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'extremely difficult to produce effective gunpowder from KNO3 -  requires an exact formula and a specific form of KNO3'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Not that hard'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Hell, I did it in high school'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'I wonder how many people produced or attempted to produce gunpowder in chem lab :P'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ah yep i do have a copy of it... Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, firearms & explosives, firearms & explosives licensing ctr, 244 needy road, martinsburg WV 253405-0000'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'its good to know i had the right form to apply for class a and class b permits just laying around =)'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): VampireDude smiles happily.
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i wish martinsburg was clouser to route 7 though.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'in Canada, purchasing KNO3 Sulfur and Carbon may be construed as illegal (even if here is not a chance anything explosive may be produced, due to the inadequte crudeness of the raw materials)'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You didn't have jack shit lying around :P'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling no for reals, it was mailed to me from their shipper,  SOC ENTERPRISES 1519 cabin branch dr, hyattsville maryland 20785'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'how much of your tax dollars the ATF&E spends using that shipper, i have no clue =)'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: '" United States Postage" "U.S. OFFICIAL MAIL PENALTY FOR PRIVATE USE $300 "'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'by supplying the forms, they were warning you of legal obligations, and legally covering their liabilities were you to attempt something dangerous and or illegal'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and it has a PITNEY BOWES logo!'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'it cost 01.85 to mail... apparently'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling but i can take photo of it , if you want'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i really do have it, right here!'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'btw, did VampireDude just admit to receiving potentially dangerous chemical compounds'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'nah, vampiredude admitted to receiving a class a explosives permit app form from the bureau of atf&e'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'xyliz, complying with the law is fun.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and it allows you to venture forth believing that s* don't stink.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i used to have a gun in my barn with about a 3 inch barrel, surrounded by ventilation sheath, roughly 5 foot long barrel, seemed to be a ww2 trophy, what calibre would that be?'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'had the hammer welded down for decoration purposes'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'if it was military, most likely a .45'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'xyliz nah, they give you the form so you can apply and pay a fee'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'just like if you wanted to run your own still'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i think it left at an auction sale, it woulda been cool to restore if i had the gunpowder and shell casings to hang around it'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i imagine there wouldn't be very much of anything i hunted with it'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i dont know how  to harvest hops though, so it wouldnt make sense to get that =('
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'only allowed hunting rifles in canada though, and sports pistols'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'so now it's hanging in somebody elses asylum'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine, what about if you wish to hunt a prime minister, are you allowed prime minister hunting rifles?'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): VampireDude peers intently at Necroshine.
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'don't answer that'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'xyliz what, you dont want a liberated quebec?'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): VampireDude shrugs helplessly.
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'who's talking about killing people?  animals aren't people as people are people, and decorative ww2 veteran memorabilia is fine'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'necroshine in my country antique rifles usually have to not be serviceable in the regular sense '
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i'd like to get my hands on a howitzer'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'not me, i think their grease smells bad'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'yeah, that's what this one is'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'some people collect things like that for decoration'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Holy fuck, someone in asia just bought a metric fuckton of silver, price just went from 47 to 49.20 in like 5 seconds'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'Hope you got physicals!'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anne: 'While markets are relatively quiet everywhere, precious metals have just gone apeshit. Gold opens at $1,520 while silver hits $49.70 on the Comex, drops, and is backing up again last treading at $49.22, as the world is pricing in the end of the US reserve currency. The parabolic melt up is in full force and we expect the nominal Hunt high to be taken out today, after which the resistance is the real Hunt high somewhere around $140, courtesy of the Federal Reserve confetti.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(answer) tsk, the removal of area-level-locks safeties at remort is to bring enjoyment to sadists vultures ghouls and the depraved, and to provide opportunities for CR community service'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'too much hand-holding you say -- then no safety belts for you when traveling'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're in trouble, now'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(barter) sometimes some goals elude solving due to lack of hints -- if players do goals using clan-supplied hints, then that sends a message that there is no merit in solving Aardwolf goals, that cheating is okay in Aardwolf goal-solving.  Discuss.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'who came up with the clan-supplied hints?'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'someone solved it first'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'so by extrapolation you are indirectly saying that getting hints from others is okay since somebody already solved the goal.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'how many of you are able to solve cubic polynomials in one variable -- that is a hard puzzle.  But even if after years of effort you solve the puzzle without looking up the answer, there is no merit -- in fact you are a fool.  You wasted all those years solving something which was already solved,  A smart human looks up answers and avoids redoning the work done by others.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz ponders how many of you idjits are going to attempt to solve the general equation  A*X**3 + B*X**2 + C*X + D = 0  (without ever looking up the answer)
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'does iran have oil?'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thargar: 'yes lots of it'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ok.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'and GW.Bush did not invade Iran ?!'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'oh yay, yahoo says a god particle was found in sweden.'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'which one if the 2 pope innocent the #3's was it that led the albigensian crusade?'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anaristos, what does daniel 12:2 say?'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'is straw very different from hay?'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'nope'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'hay is for horses'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'you grasp at straws, take rides in the hay, so i say hay'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yeah, and you can roll in hay. and get pricked by needles too'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wyverex: 'I DISAGREE'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wyverex: 'I WIN'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wyverex: 'DEBATE OFF'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Eureka falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I don't know what we are arguing about, but I'm certain I have a strong opinion!'
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rhaiden chuckles at Jhav's joke.
T3/r3/2011-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we are debating the lack of debating about debating.'
T3/r3/2011-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'did london give up protesting school cuts?'
T3/r3/2011-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'yes, that's another issue, and unfortunately, they can get away with that.'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Bernanke effectively confirmed QE3, I see'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '..and fed expects 2,1-2,8% price increase in 2011, INCLUDING oil? What do they know that I haven't heard?'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they make policy'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'what a scam!'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'also, Congress is looking to add a really large energy-use tax at the pump'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA?'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starbug: 'i think they are taking away the tax break from oil corporations and spending the money on alternative fuels'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'VAT coming to the USA'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'what other Fed were you referring to, if not ours?'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'once it's in, watch it gradually climb to 15-25%'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when it comes to fuel tax, USA people don't know they're born....'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'fuel tax right now is close to 90% already'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada boggles at Dokkar.
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that's including all levels of taxation, though'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'there's just one fed and one Helicopter Ben!'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '90% of it's cost, or 90% ontop of it's cost'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starbug: 'is that like a jon kyl 90%?'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'even in Norway the tax is under 70%'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'barely..'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '82% of the cost of fuel here is tax'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'in the itemized list, 90% of what you pay to the gas station is some form of tax.  Local sales tax, state sales tax, etc'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '$10 a gallon is common here'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the rest is the cost of the fuel (rent, cleanup, purchase, etc) and if there's anything left over the gas station makes a pennies-on-the-dollar profit.'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'selling gas at a gas station is not usually a profitable venture, which is why there are so many quikimarts attached to them.'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada comforts Tigernuts.
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so we're all just driving less, driving slower, switching to smaller cars, some rich snobs are getting electric cars'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'you don't think the nuclear industry recognizes their responsibility to despose of nuclear waste safely? check out http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,756369-5,00.html and http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,756369-17,00.html :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'do you guys pay more for oil on the other half of the world too?'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'possibly more than US and Arab, yes'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'a little over 9usd/gallon in Norway recently'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'state of the art nuclear disposal facilities'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but wages remain the same, points of employment remain remote, having a liscence remains a requirement for alot of the jobs out there and the cost of getting back and forth increases as does the cost of rent and living supplies if there is actually work where you are'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, the rent is too damned high'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they better be if the increased radiation levels from the use of nuclear fuels is any indication of how diversely they will affect the future environment'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thanks to the looney-left sponsored property boom of the last few years'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'world can appear to be one big nuclear explosion if you think about it relatively to their concepts of progress'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'screw that, Necro.  Just don't build them on earthcracks or in such a way that such things could impact them.'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, as an outsider, I can safely say that the USA -appears- to be getting ready to implement all the mistakes that we've made in the past, so good luck with that :-)'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'if that dosn't freeze your blood what will?'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you a Brit, Tiger?'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'my guess is on a repeat of previous US mistakes, since the same people are in power'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aye'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Farkyss: 'you guys would do well to resist plans to dumb down your university system, introduce universal health cover and stuff'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'just a look at modern uni textbooks shows the 'dumb down' operation is in full swing.'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the university system is already a breeding ground for terrorism (professors are even now discussing ways in which violence is necessary and/or a proper response in protests)'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'compare them with textbooks from the 70's'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Farkyss: 'ownership of the idea of university needs to be recaptured by the scholarly elite'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'yeah, there's different philanthropists/philosophers and theorists throughout history who contributed to the belief systems of people, some more selfless than others in their consideration of the betterment of the whole, people who profess that Gestalt whole is greater than its part thinking, yet preserve themselves at any cost within the society they function through I consider to be hypocrites'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if that's ohw it is'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Farkyss: 'just looks to me and others that stupid people want to dilute and ruin it in the interests of 'inclusiveness''
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'how can you be selfish and direct a whole nation without having that selfishness as your first mode of decision making?'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'trouble is Murdoch and co have bought up the academic press'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Farkyss: 'well, you only need look at the UK university system to see how badly it works'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Farkyss: 'we need engineers, scientists - what are they churning out? media, 'the arts', and other subjects of dubious provenance'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Farkyss: 'it's clearly time to bring back slavery'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'now you'll read why 'killer bees' are the problem, just like Murdoch said ages ago'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'cost of going to medical school is probably near 500,000 dollars in some places, if you want a degree of any reckognition - scholarships from poor-schools for master students may not really exist to the extent neccessary for the lower echelon to succeed as often as they otherwise would - foreign doctorates are more or as common as national doctorates'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the PhD system is going to be revamped to control the degree versus job market availability.'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we've got something like 15 PhDs for every 1 job that requires one.'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Farkyss: 'it's the same here with degree level, dokkar'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Farkyss: 'having a degree is often a disadvantage'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'I think if somebody has abilities and ability to comprehend something, they shouldn't be limited by money needed to attain profession in that vocation, but that's more the whole is greater than the part thinking than the selfish philanthropist may comprehend'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'allow IQ testing for jobs again, have a national database and you can drop half of post-high school education..'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'to get a scholarship you just have to tow the line...everything else is irrelevant'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Farkyss: 'IQ testing is notoriously unreliable'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'more reliable than exams though'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Farkyss: 'maybe, so don't use either'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dynamo wiggles his toes wishing someone would suck them for him.
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'toe that is'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'shortage on doctors, but is it that out of 10,000,000 citizens only 1 may have the abilities or intelligence and committment neccessary to be a doctor?  or is it because most of them can't afford to become one, who could be come one, and their potential isn't realized due to financial restrictions and social conditioning?'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the shortage is because of malpractice premiums'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Farkyss: 'not sure, probably more likely inbuilt overspecificity in the qualification requirements'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'doctors don't get paid enough or get paid more somewhere else, they work less too as more go where more money is, but money is a abstraction of value within a society and that problem could be fixed by weighing neccessity and value against profession and wealth'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i think'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we actually have tons of degree-holders in medicinal fields, but nobody wants to put their financial well-being on the line.'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Farkyss: 'the sort of people who are specialists will be out to protect their own, and that means making sure only people of 'the right breeding' follow in their footsteps'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Farkyss: 'doctors aren't the be-all and end-all though'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if the government needs something done they never let money get in their way, if they want something done or profess their inability without money to get something done , then they use money as a reasoning device, but not when they need something done'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'comparing textbooks from different eras is very instructive of what's happening'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Farkyss: 'that happens across the spectrum of tutalage from highschool up'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Farkyss: 'and isn't just books'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'modern textbooks promote confusion...it's sad and annoying'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'computers too, for sure, Information Technology and pennywise from IT by stephen king - the author of programming from the ground up contrasted to the curriculum in most programming university courses, or information technology courses'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the understanding of the engine itself and the understanding of how to drive it'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'like they say gestal-theory is alot different than gestalt-psychotherapy'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'i studied back in the 80's and i went and bought the new texts to upgrade my knowledge...but things had shifted into reverse and i learned nothing except that what i learned was now under review'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'basically everything in society is becomming mediated by Information Technology or IT, it takes on many facets - but few know ITs purpose or ITs engine'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Farkyss: 'i've long argued that IT is totally wasted on the masses'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they know how to drive it for whatever purpose, but place trust in that selfish philanthropist to make sure it doesn't violate them and that it operates only as they're taught it's meant to'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'not making accusation's, just a opinion based upon my observation of human nature given world events as reported'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Farkyss: 'i don't hold up much hope for society, tbh'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_Grove,_West_Virginia things like this for instance, along with the reported supercomputers being ran today and the unreported possible one's, how this medium of IT can be really meant to be used, like aether through which the other elements all operate in alchemy?   Echelon: A multinational survellance network, centered at Sugar Grove, WV, that intercepts all forms of electronic communications.  also:  a diffraction grating consisting of a pile of plates of equal thickness arranged stepwise with a constant offset :: along with the concept of panopticon, that man in the middle of the matrix movie observing all of the experimental human's, total control over every aspect of human life within the hands of the philanthropist'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'people cry bloody conspiracy whenever they see something like that, but consider how they make more money by leaving a video camera, a telephone, a computer, a network connection, a keyboard and a gps device separate - then they tend towards pitting them all together in a single devise'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'leading to a conclusion over need and want like i mentioned earlier'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'money as a abstraction o-o'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'i studied zoology and botany...what i learned then was enlighting...now that's wrong and we don't know anything'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'what exactly is wrong?'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Morinon: 'Meh, understanding that education is a set of lies to teach you the next set of lies that are closer to the truth, but that you can understand... Helps a lot.'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panopticon The Panopticon is a type of prison building designed by English philosopher and social theorist Jeremy Bentham in 1785. The concept of the design is to allow an observer to observe (-opticon) all (pan-) prisoners without the incarcerated being able to tell whether they are being watched, thereby conveying what one architect has called the "sentiment of an invisible omniscience."'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'to me it appears similar is all i'm saying, along with the verses in the bible where god is described as 'omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent', there is a form of human self-deism tending here in reasoning levels'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'what's wrong is murdoch & co have bought up the academic media and are influencing it to push their anti-truth agenda'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i don't believe alot of people who claim to be atheist, cause there's these tendencies in life that seem to require some faith in order to take place'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'why the heaping plate of word salad?  Could've conveyed the same point by simply saying "they built a prison that has microphones and security camaras in unexpected places"'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'not sayin they're not, only that they probably do have belief systems which involve some form of theological perspectives involved'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'yeah, some of the details make it more clearly understood though, then some of my thoughts on the subject to bring into perspective what i'm talkin about'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it's definitely not something that would be benefitting a Gestalt-whole as reasoned out by a selfless-thinking philanthropist, as I see it, more as a way to enthrone the devil without counter-ruling'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'using the devil here as a contradictory to good reasoning platform in this context, for he wanted to be as god in the bible story'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'claimed to be god himself in some people's sayings'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the devil is taught as the spirit of opposition to God here in the world though, in another context this opposition for this earthly philanthropists devisings which would forever give them rule over everybody without anybody having say against it, can be a beneficial spirit'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'what's at stake those who don't know what lies beyond?'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'now with this context of God being manifested in the world, as mentioned the self-deism of the philanthropist of hypocritical Gestalt-theory, this concept of the devil makes the devil appear to be a good guy'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'that's how i think on it anyways, ceremony of opposites, contextual oblivion'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'what else is it?  it's about as big of a threat as can exist for earthly eternity'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they found a black box from a airplane that was in one piece sans its memory box, which mysteriously was detatched from the rest of the thing'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it is being closely monitored by the french police'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and they train mounty hourse in canada by throwing signs at them and chanting peace while equipping them with a riot helmet and teaching them to ignore the crowd of random repetitive noises'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'purebreds aren't as good for the job as their.. modified breeds'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'for the royal wedding and stuff'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I don't think there are any canadian centaurs...'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'can almost sense the microchip zen radiating from the beast'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'speak like r2d2 the hybrid robanoid'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dokkar says something cheeky in a series of beeps and whistles.
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i don't know, i'm just a little slow, discovery tv isn't always that interesting cause the idea of progress seems to be pretty different from my idea of progress'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'making holographic sound from 100 year old technology, marvellous!  how about restoring hearing to the soldiers who's brains explode from mortar shells exploding in close proximity?'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'fake reality sciences take the headlights in this novel scholars decadence while he paves the road to hell through subterranean excavation rejuvenation ceremonies'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'stem cell research that can result in such a breakthrough is immoral.'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'how about the mexican salamanders once reported to regenerate their limbs without the use of umbellical cells?'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and it's probably as or more immoral for patenting 1/3 of the human genome as though you invented it'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we know that they can, we just don't know how.'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'our pool of knowledge is a lot more robust than our pool of technology.'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'lots of cool stuff that we know all about we simply cannot do yet.'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'some of it is tantalizingly close to reality, but most of it is at least 10 if not 50 years away, minimum.'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'how can you pave a time frame for things coming into reality that ingenuitive scientists develop?'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i snapped my fingers and i knew how to implode the universe'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'who's dream are you paving?'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'for example, we recently found out why bigger LED lights illuminate more dimly.  We don't know how to fix that issue yet, though.'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'have they figured out how that light bulb in new york burned for over 100 years without being destroyed, and who destroyed the design of it and its socket?'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'imagine how many millions of tonnes of dead light bulb garbage there is out there'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that one in the firehouse?'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'yeah'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'is it a freak of man-made nature?'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'didn't know it wasn't still lit.'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'maybe it is'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i read they were moving it somehow, keeping the power on lest it doesn't start again'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'lots of money in light bulbs that last a lifetime, you got an industry until everybody has enough'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, it was an early experiment by Edison when he was figuring out what to make the filament out of.  That one was made of sterner stuff than modern bulbs are, and so long as the bulb doesn't break and expose the filament to atmosphere it will age very slowly.'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'lol, so he seen this one wasn't fortune generating enough and sook a better conductor'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you could view it that way, but I think the given explanation was that he found something that burned brighter.'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if they were all made of sterner stuff, then you wouldn't need so much not-so-sterner stuff to throw into the trash pile'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they say you can see new yorks garbage dump from outer space, it's one of its major landmarks'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and there's a garbage dump larger than texas west of california, now this is progress'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you can't see any city-sized landmark of any kind from Outer Space.'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'Kind of a topic jump... Filament to garbage'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'lucrative disposal of the baggy techniques'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the trick to Necroshine is to not disturb the flow of his rambling.'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'heh'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'should convert the carbon garbage into new oil, and recycle everything else.'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they have a facility that generates fuel from trashpiles in edmonton'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or start burning the dump garbage after the methane stops spewing.'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we should protect it from hotrod flux capacitors.'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and a facility that makes use of some kind of oil-drilling byproduct to fuel its operation for the power company'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'As a side note, the Centennial light was designed by Adolphe Chailet not Edison.'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'burn it in power generating plants.'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they say they built a park over a trashpile in vancouver around 1950, and its still oozes gas to the day'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'Necroshine: Who is They '
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the media guru's'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they did that with a lot of old landfills, Necro.'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'maybe it was W5'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Anaristos barfs all over Edison.
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'Right.... the same ones that believe The Lochness monster is still in the lake...'
T3/r3/2011-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'those Media gurus?'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the Green movement even touted the fact that they built an environmentally-conscious mountain out of a landfill.'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'not sure they WERE the green movement back then, though.'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'ones that report national news, not the national enquirer, i guess they can be behind both though - i never been to the park to see for myself, they took us on a walk through old tires surfacing and things like that'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'but it was in a textbook so it must be true!'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'heh, Theyer, has your exploration of the lake yielded new information?'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Waste Management is the largest trash to gas methane producer in the US....and adds new dumps to their production each year.'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'I'm a big fan of NOT believe Media Gurus and simply finding the answers myself. Media Gurus are exactly that... Gurus on how to spread media, not specifically facts.'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'believing*'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'http://www.saskpower.com/sustainable_growth/projects/carbon_capture_storage.shtml that's saskpower where i'm from'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'nah, it's definitely the termites.  They fart methane something like 200 times a minute and there are quadrillions of them eating away our homes.'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'yes, Thayer, you don't believe in media gurus, but you made a statement about Nessie without doing any research.'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I read somewhere that if all the termites in the US were to eat on nothing but homes we'd be homeless in a month.'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Someday we will finally realize that landfills are unnessary as commodity prices keep rising, and we realize all the resources we can reclaim from the dumps.'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'Anaristos: Touche..... Touuuucchheeeee'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'Anaristos: Though, I'm also not really willing to spend any money to TRY and find something like Nessie. '
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'Lack of caring, and financial restraints heh'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, I don't know, it might be fun. And you may discover that there is something there :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'Meh, if I had the money and the motivation I would probably do it. But again, lack of motivation heh'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if there was they caught it, then they'd want to put it in a cage and prod it with bum probes like aliens from south park'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'how is it that your ass last so long?  this is science, take it take it'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'Surprise Rape!'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'you are right, Necro. Nessie would mean a lot of money for some people.'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'yeah, if i ever met some kick ass monster i wouldn't turn it over to science'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'yeah, I watched the movie Splice the other day...'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'should a person really donate money to Japan? Isn't Japan the 2nd/3rd wealthiest country in the world?'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Farkyss: 'wealthiest on what measure?'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'if you are going to donate money, there are certainly places that need it more than Japan'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Farkyss: 'yes, my wallet is in bigger need than Japan'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sepulchure is agreeing with that Tinada person again...
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i imagine haiti had alot more donation money than they had room to use it, and then i imagine the majority of it didn't reach the people'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, should donate to the Save the Donkey charity.....'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'donating money that buys anything you want to take the word of some person who can survive by some strange means somewhere strange is fairly ignorant'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'although, there is also the general rule that the more a country needs your donations, the less capable the government is of using it to help people'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'strength of the economy'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Farkyss: 'japan has a terrible economy, vast amounts of debt'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'about half of that debt was printed by the japanese central bank'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Farkyss: 'they're probably past the point where they need economic help'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'now why would I donate if I knew my money would be spent on debts and not relief'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Farkyss: 'don't donate'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly at Sepulchure.
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'brilliant reason not to pay US taxes, I'm sure'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Farkyss: 'do something more product with your cash, like burn it'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Farkyss: 'spend it on something vacuous'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I've tried that - the smoke is far too acrid.'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'or swim in it'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'if you have money, though, you really should replace it with something that doesn't suffer from a chronic (some claim terminal..) case of inflation'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Farkyss: 'best thing to donate to Japan is a stick to beat them with until they promise to stop building crap nuclear power stations on a bloody fault line'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'turns out nuclear power isn't that cheap after all'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'at least the us can't peddle heroine from there for awhile'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Farkyss: 'nuclear power never was cheap'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i guess that might cause some spiders to crawl in the end users veins and cause some chaos'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'Japan believes in the Bushido code so they don't mind dying'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Farkyss: 'good, world needs less people, so off they go'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Obama can hardly find a stick big enough to beat the nukkuler industry into building more plants'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'maybe they give the shepherds commandment and sell some cyanide instead'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Farkyss: 'just use less energy, problem solved'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Electricity is too cheap in some parts of the US.'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'you will use less energy when gasoline goes over 5usd/gallon'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'People in kentucky should be paying the 14 cents a kwh I pay in northern texas.....:p'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Farkyss: 'it's already $10usd a gallon'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Farkyss: 'so a bit late there'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'won't even need an energy conservation law to get it done'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'not 10 in the US, I think'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Farkyss: 'ok, it's already $10usd a gallon 'in the developed world''
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Farkyss: 'ok, it's already $10usd a gallon 'in the developed world''
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'maybe that ends up in their chop suey :))'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Farkyss: 'oops'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'we'll see how the drug dealers take it blindly'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'certainly a number of western european countries have taxes high enough to bring the cost to around 10'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'lol you guys heard the latest joke: Obama's 'birth certificate' the experts took it apart, literally debate lol you guys heard the latest joke: Obama's 'birth certificate' the experts took it apart, literally. http://coupmedia.org/constitutional-rights/obamas-birth-certificate-fake-2804'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i seen hussein mentioned somewhere on a CNN picture, i guess it's a random kind of commoner title'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'they didn't even bother to solidify the layers :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Farkyss: 'it's all a bit of a sideshow really'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Farkyss: 'they kinda missed the point that despite being american, obama's policies are a crock of shit'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nuclear power would be a good value if there were off the shelf parts, common designs used, economy of scale, etc.  The reason our 30 year old reactors cost so much is because of design rules that took forever to get govt ok when you changed the color of the drapes in an office on the site.'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the head of the republicans sounds afraid to criticize him at all'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'i think it's an important point not just for honesty's sake'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'maybe he's not immune to as many death threats as donald trump'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I find the entire birth certificate story strange. In Norway, the basic rule is that if you can vote you can also be elected, and it is beyond weird that the US of all places has stricter requirements'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It currently takes almost 8 years to get a nuclear power plant design authorized by the govt, permits, etc before you can even start building it.'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Apart from that, it is also strange that Obama didn't show every scrap of paper he could put his hands on back in 2004 or thereabouts'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'And that takes billions of dollars just to get started.'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'if i pretended i was a judge and got away with it for a while of course they'd cancel any decisions i'd made while i was pretending'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the framework of time, it takes 1 year after the largest un-natural disaster in the last american 20 years or 30 years or 60 years to plug in 10 times the potential torpedo targets'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i think that was plotted, like those muslims up north in canada'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'but why try pass off an obvious forgery as the real thing?'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Farkyss: 'just build a bunch of biomass 'from waste' reactors and incentivise through planning regs energy efficiency and solar-voltaics'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'strange'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'convert sewer plants into power production facilities also, and use that methane gas instead of just atmosphering it.'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'prime minister harper himself showed up at the largest freshwater delta in north america just a little while before they advertised the week-long fundraiser for the winnepeg mosque to be sent up there'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'harper seems to be in on the joke with the mastermind behind it all'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'randomly enough, they have unchecked transport vessals going in and out of there, lots of drug shipping routes'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Farkyss: 'people get far too hung up on drugs'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and a bunch of oil rigs to hold the nation hostage with'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'hey, stupid whores are easy to get hooked on your whore-rings'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'drugs are cool mmk but don't tell anybody else'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cide: 'thats something to loginto'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'breed the holy seeds of the infidel'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Farkyss: 'drugs would have a far lower health, social, and economic impact if they legalised, regulated, and taxed them '
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'that's what i think, along with the rebellion of a nations citizens not quelling the public in accordance with sovereign laws (boy scout rules, let the old wolf think for you!), agreements signed by him to allow foreign troops into canada to deal with any canadian military or police revolt against his commands to destroy the citizens'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'don't worry though, america has the same thing set up there'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'come to canada and murder and rape, do the deeds of your master for the betterment of canada, and you my fellow are set up the same way'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'the old wolf never thought for you...taught you how to think for yourself'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i'm just suicidal and like to talk about things they like to keep hidden'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and i never seen anything worthy of respect in my society'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Farkyss: 'respect is something that is there to be lost'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'i'm not kidding about the fake birth certificate either...if it wasn't really an issue before it sure is now :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'with awareness comes accidents'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'sometimes'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'i can't wait to see how they'll explain this one'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i'm curious to see if the amount of needle-deaths increases exponentially in the near future with the outage of the main heroine chain in effect'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they did similar with alcohol in the 1930's, a relative of chuck norris maybe?  peter north too?  one of the doctors overseeing an influx of the amount of fatally poisoned and permanantly disabled from poison patients in a new york hospital, after the re-release of confiscated alcohol in order to quench their thirst for it'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they spiked it with all kinds of things those cops'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'drug-addicts who don't get their fix can get crazy, so you can see where they'd be spiking their drugs from'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'because we all know that homegrown bootleggers only churn out the highest-quality work?'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i guess they might start trading with north korea or something, directly to china?  russia?'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they grow lots of poppies around there from what i could gather, cia was reported as in on the deal till around 1999 or so'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'maybe nobody was reporting nothing anymore after then'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'oh, speaking of Canada, did you know that 15 million or so Canadians get their news from sites like facebook.com?'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'look at  all the end-user fools in jail for drugs their government smuggled in for them'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'it's a shocker really'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'no i didn't, i hardly go on it at all'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: '"blogs or it didn't happen, eh?"'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they were flying it in from afghanistan to new york to fund terrorism till around 2001'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and those area's'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'lots of supply chains going on, 180 dead people in mexico? no big deal, they were ex-military units conducting rape and torture population control'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'not worthy of reporting on cnn'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'come to play del carmen for an adventure'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'we guarantee that our military units won't rape you like they do everybody else'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'we have drug-addicted immunity to the system'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'yes, we shall have a new world order says abdullah to george dubya 2 years after the 9/11 incident to the T'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'so sayeth Ms Ansul, as well.'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'abdullah invests 6 billion in china, 300 000 in new orleans and some other adventures with charity, china segregates from america and says we're taking you over now, watch out!  russia agrees with china and the saudi arabian american media owner with murdoch the stranger play it on the media'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'nothing to see here, we're making sense'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'tax cuts to the oil barons cause 4% of their 70% growth rate comes from america, that needs to double to 8% or 14% - plug in 10 new oil wells in honour of the noblest of lord in britain for bp, who examined your possibly torpedoes blowout preventer in norway'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'lets play some golf and obsess over the oprah winfrey network OWN , reports critics'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'replace the head of the cia too, with somebody's name who sounds like betrayal when coming from the news anchor'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'he used to be a general, you don't get ranked into head spot in the cia without being not a member first'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'all this could have been prevented by not worshipping retards'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'see what happens when you don't gas the doctor who tells you who to gas?'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and then yourself to make sure there's no mrDNA tracest left on your biological brain meat that hosts your mind of their enfeebledness'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'how much more retarded does it get than a god who only speaks through a priest?'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'or a reason you're unable to be let in on'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i know everybody around me works for the government, whole time through i can smell the devil's mind through you'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'best to just die it over with and get out of this prison that resembles a not prison'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i'll never be squeezed onto this pile of garabage again with any luck'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is pretty pathetic when your japanese labeled computer is made in China....I guess even the japanese cannot build anything anymore.'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'japan has never manufactured whole computers to my knowledge'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fiendish: 'cost of labor could be too high'
T3/r3/2011-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'really?  I would've thought the cost of shipment (to and from) would have been much more of an impact'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i hear some black people claiming that blacks are the origins for all other physical traits of human's, thinking we're descendents from albino's then with a helping of thinking we're cast out lepers among them - how then do you advance that no generational leaps in dna circulation appear from offspring of these other cultures?  are there a coupling of chinese people offshooting a 7 foot white man, or a coupling of white people siring a 7 foot black man?'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'sometimes genetic traits skip generation's, the absence of these things seems a little abnormal to justify that end-game conclusion'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and the answer's not so clear'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, the original humans were rather dark :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'got some skin samplings from them, or they're just too shadowy to be able to know what the original's were?'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'skin color didn't begin to lighten until humans to cooler climates.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'migrated*'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'ice ages come and pass, who knows the climate in russia 18000 years ago?  or greenland?  antarctica and canada'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, Antartica and Greenland were green :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'though, you miss the point. Humans didn't originate in Russia or Antarctica so that doesn't matter.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'that's your non-verifiable conclusion'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it's a darwinist doctrine'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, I'll change my mind when they start finding hominid fussils in the artic circle. 4 or 5 million-year-old fossils, that is.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'it is probable that there were humans in what is today Russia 18K years ago.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you use samples of matter's deterioration rates existing since your collaborative tool's of the trade were able to measure identifiable traits within those samplings and then expound upon those miniscule time frames and findings to scientifically divine something older'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'if we use fossil records as a guide, the probably crucible was in the Middle East and/or Equatorial Africa.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'probable*'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you even attempt to fit the universe into a nutshell using your observation's from the miniscule to the astronomical'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you should watch them recalculate the universe whenever a discovery is made, i wonder why they don't do similar with the observable world and their conceptions of time divined within their measurement assumptions, sans tangents'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, with all due respect, generalizing is fine to a point, but to get to the point you have to become specific. So somewhere along the line  the nutshell has to be considered.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the past and the future are mysterious, guesswork doesn't make factual evidence, no matter how many little pieces you fit together you divine what pieces you put together from a small framework of what you consider absolute'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'while I do believe in the butterfly effect, I doubt that some nuance somewhere in the Virgo Supercluster is responsible for the rise of humans on Earth. So I have to get down to some specifics.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'fractals don't forever change, sort of like scientific calculation's, while knowing that the calculator's use the human mathematics abstraction, can't divide by zero, have a preconfigured set of rules for whatever science you study, and don't know what a circle is'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'whats a circle'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'a pie'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: '2 dimentional divided by 3'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'the circle is the perfect 2-dimensional geometric figure :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i like pie'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'its the strongest'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'you mean pie or pi?'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'the rhythms of the universe are tracked by a circled.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'circle*'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'what makes you think you can divine the course of a galaxy or star from observing it for 100 years, when our own sun may take 1000 to complete a quarter orbit around some unseen focal point that seems to be it but is it'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'the circle represents the foundation of macro physics since it is the manifestation of analog signals.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i like circles'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'youve convinced me'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'all the other conic sections are aberrations of the circle.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'what keeps our plant from drifting away from its centrifuge while it takes its course away or towards us in its trek to complete its assumed orbit?'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'gravity of exactitude you stay here and no farther away, you get no closer you come with me, freaks on a leash'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, Necro, we don't fly away because that would require more effort, and the one universal law we can count on is that all manifestations take the path of least resistance.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'that moon around neptune is still spinning backwards though, and people seem to take the path that kicks them every day'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'for sugar for later'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, it is only retrograde relative to Saturn. It is probably an indication that it was a captured object.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'by captured I mean that it entered our solar system and fell into Saturn's gravity well.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'captured orbit, you're coming with me giant moon, protractors at the ready, draw the noose in my unfocused planetal debris so it may spin around me'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'what will happen when the planets align, some shifting '
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, the moons of Saturn ARE fascinating. Many of them are shepherds, they mantain the rings.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'wouldn't that require some degree of planetary intelligence of its own in order to suck another into subjection into a sphere of gravity that it doesn't go away from or closer to wards but stays within its course of backwards compatibility?'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'maintain*'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'it couldnt happen like 2012, that was pretty retarded'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'not really, Necro. There are planetary objects moving about the galaxy all the time. It is a measure of how far apart most objects are that captures are not more frequent.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'there is evidence that the Moon was captured. It certainly wasn't spun off the Earth.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'planetary entities of an intelligent form, how can a mindless rock pick a rock of large size from the chaotic hail of rocks in the sky and capture it within its predefined and unintelligently designed orbital pattern?'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'and if the Solar System dynamics were to hold true, the Earth wouldn't have a moon.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i put it there'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'require a little focus on its part, or on the part of a being who set it there?'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'Deimus, the smaller moon of Mars was certainly capture.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'captured*'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i thought was deimos, like the plaer'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'and Phobos might have been, there is really no reason for Mars to have moons either. It is not a gravitational powerhouse, even less so than the Earth.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'youre saying something must have placed the moon, then?'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'but the moons of Mars are small and well within the gravitational gradient for the planet. Not so the Moon.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, it's hard to say where the Moon came from.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'it's too big for a simple capture.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'maybe a reverse capture?'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'coming from closer to the sun'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'jk i know nothing of solar system creation theory'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'sounds interesting though'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, it is possible that it once was a planet, yes.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'here is the current theory: http://www.moonlightsys.com/themoon/facts.html'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'rather interesting.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'according to the official prevailing theory, the moon as formed form ejecta caused by the collision of with another planetary size object.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i'm not an atheist, so assumptions in a hidden god are all up for consideration, such as he hung the stars from nothing, which space does resemble, he set the planetary bodies in their courses (orbits), everything accounted for and no chastisement of paranoid driven preservation of man dominating the universe or what we know about it'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'but Necro, the starts are not hanging... Nothing in the universe is standing still.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'we can make things in the likeness thereof which can be a catastrophy, requiring maybe more resources than we have on this planet for a test run, but which can be small-scale guesstimate with limited known factors modelized for assumptions that first, you're correct and second that's how it stands in all things'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'nothing may indeed be standing still, those within it not, which space of space did we just occupy<this seems to change all the while, do we ever encounter the same space, or derivitive thereof, within our lives?'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'real-=estate'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i don't throw aside the possibility that this space may be the mind holding that within it together'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'consider how quick they are to ponder space as a illusion or material fabric incomprehensible yet assumed present, projections of distances with trodden paths set for the stars with intangible footprints, and therefore intangible evidence of those footprints, mysteriously held in trodden ever changing space co-ordinates (that defines those co-ordinates) - yet how the theories of the man who theorized that heat and light were projected from their source, having no speed but that which is within them'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, that may be true, but as far as standing still. While we "sit" on Earth, the Earth moves around the Sun at about 300 Kps, the Sun moves around the Milky Way at about 280 Kps, the Milk Way orbits the Virgo Supercluster at about 300 Kps. So every second we are hundreds ok kilometers away from where we were :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'both may be faulty, but their throwing away of the latter strives to forwarn you of the presence of the former, which is largely based upon ignorance when considered from different angles and not taken for granted, living hypothesis'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'backed by miniscule theories driven by model-assumptions proven true through limited ingredients of observable earthly reality'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'so us not feeling the speed is another aspect of the hemisphere that supports us being a freak of nature and a drive to master the structure to foreign planetary settlements , and not a sign that this is where we belong and a intelligent designer made it such to science'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'there's some missing contrarian's in the scientific world, you might do better by investing in some'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'some of the best discoveries are driven by oppositions believing they're right'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'all scientist are contrarians'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the concept of a mind holding things together that is beyond human is threatening to a man who irrationally destroys them at will while pursuing this present doctrine'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'there were some fairly prominent astronomers back in the old days, they say in hinduism that jesus may have referred to jupiter, or its priests concepts that jupiter was god, in order to reason with the people over his strange-to-them doctrine, since it was closer to home - but whether or not he believed a planet to be god or gods creation may be seen in the genesis story as mentioned'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'whether or not creatures within the universe can be intelligent is left to the mystery of how the mind operates to consider from the brain behind it, and the cosmos bodies who may not know how they operate assuming intelligent planets - nature seems intelligent itself'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'you make a lot of conclusions without anything to back them'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'there's backings based on recorded human history with religious and philosophical texts'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it'd be up to the inquiring mind to search them out, it caught my interest to investigate earlier'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'found any proof yet?'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i think plenty of proof has found me and let me see it for myself, but it's a theory'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'sorry, that doesn't count'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'depends on your precepts, whether they aim to disprove god or question those disproofs in order to free yourself from human-control'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'you don't need to disprove god'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if god is real than any disproof would be contrary to reality and therefore false, to disprove god would then be either enlightening or a rebuke'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if god doesn't exist then you have your proof and can move onto what to do next'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'it's up to the person that believes something to prove it. Disbelief never needs to be proven, it'd default.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'the correct statement would be that it is impossible to prove a negative :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'most people rely on those proofs being given by others to conduct the science they choose without a real investigation which may never have a conclusion given, and call themselves atheists, antitheists is the name of people who seek to disprove the existance of god, similar to the two precepts i mentioned before, and this first part was an example of how the second part finds its predominant place in the current doctrine of science'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'impossible and unneccesary'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'more to the point would be, Necro, that the existence of god is not necessary.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'morality contradicts alot of the practices they conduct, as would common sense and open reasoning, but with the doctrine of the antitheist (whethher or not they reached a conclusion, if so they may be called enemies of god), they see less possible repercussions of their actions'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'not-neccessary to the current doctrine as you practice, '
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but as science claims truth, truth shouldn't be forsaken in its pursuit'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'not necessary, period.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'you need to take a science class if you think that science seeks truth'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'first one would have to define what truth is.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'science is about finding the best explanation for the observations we make'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'dichotomies aside. '
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'right, science is just model-building.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'only philosophers and cult leaders claim to know the truth'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'precept interesting, human's conducting science what is your basic no-compromise zone for science?  abstract wouldn't nature on this planet and humanity be your focal points?'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'well, we can't escape our nature, the universe is centered in each one of us :)'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'what we perceive is colored by the chemical processes in our bodies.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'in fact, perception is a chemical process.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'and subject to whatever imbalances we possess.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'how come oil from below the earth is black, and atoms have no color , do they?  is it the way it filters the suns color spectrum, or something strange?'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'a hungry scientist is not going to perceive the universe in the same manner from one who just ate.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anaristos: 'I don't know Necro, I am going to guess that it is black because of the heavy carbon content?'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'carbon doesn't seem to be black, as they fuse it together to make numerous non-black devices they say, and the polyester seems to take on many hues'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'it's not as as simple as a specific atom has a specific color, it's much more complex than that. '
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'if the sun can't comprehend black in a rainbow, then how can we comprehend it with our eyes?'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'puddle of oil in a puddle of water, floating rainbow of strange design'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'ask google, it's fairly complex, but well known'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'anybody ever wonder how of all the places the high and mighty chose to settle, along the ecuator is located the most violent civilizations on earth (per capita)?'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dagnir: 'no'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav is agreeing with that Dagnir person again...
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i imagine the high and mighty have killer-immunity when going to their paradise resorts down there, maybe the violence is to keep all the others out'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'oh look, an igloo!  this will be the idea place for us to settle, never mind that place where it's mid-summer all year long'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Necroshine bonks columni on the head for being such a moron
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'We're all safe! NASA website says: "Nothing bad will happen to the Earth in 2012."'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i seen that, nothing bad is happening today or tomorrow too, at least human's aren't behind the destruction majority, or are they not'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i prefer natural disasters to manmade ones'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): INFO: New post #213917 in forum Personal from Dokkar Subj: NEVER GONNA GIVE Necroshine UP
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'what is a "nonhuman destruction majority" other than fiction'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'while 2012 and really the next, like, 150 years have already been ruled out, Earth will in fact DIAF when some large comet or asteroid crashes into us.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'personifying natural disasters is worse than believing in a god'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'some scientists believe we have been hit by meteors and other 'natural events' before, also that it was pretty inconvenient for the planet's inhabitants at the time'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly.
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'those speculations aren't authoritative unless they have a doppler radar gunning into their paranoid tracter beam heading for us'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: '2 km wide asteroid lands and something like 8 mile high waves commence'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"tractor beams" are fiction currently'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'but hey, maybe we can have some new real estate on it'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'in a hundred years we will have near infinite energy from fusion power though (or so the CERN gang says in order to get funding), so by then we should be doing ok'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'another nonhuman disaster thingy that will one day kill off Necroshine is plain mechanics of Plate Tectonics.  As the continents move around they will eventually move into positions that disrupt current flow around the world.  This turns off the convective circulation that maintains our climate and 9 out of 10 entities freeze to death.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'until "fusion reactors" are viable and actual, speculation about that sci-fi is fiction'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'meanwhile there's one pretty certain method of increasing real estate prices, and Ben Bernanke is using it'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i might have to dig myself a bomb shelter this year, just incase'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or he could just live near a fault line and die in an earthquake in order to be the victim of plate tectonics...'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they are more viable than they were in the recent past, interestingly.  Some recent discovery disproved a significant portion of the fusion theory such that fusion is not so input-expensive anymore.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada goes ooOOooOOoo at Dokkar.
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'sadly I know almost no physics and very little maths outside of economics'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Dokkar, plate tectonics causing earthquakes may perhaps kill Necroshine (if Necroshine is in and or visits an earthquake prone area)'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I regret picking easy subjects in high school'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'should be easy classes..half the work, better grades, learn little useful'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i don't rule out the possibility that some grand evil alchemist is knowingly disrupting natural systems in every corner of the world in order to bring about mass-destruction and death through their currents'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and mystic's/witchcraft/sorcery/demons/devils/evil angels/warlock (in the deviant evil sorcerer context)/necromancy and other things may all mysteriously play a part, with cults-of-mind and things like this'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i'm not an atheist though, so the former saying may be more in your line of reasoning and the cult-of-mind'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'so, i don't know, tough to determine what natural disasters aren't natural at all, and which are'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the advanced theory of antitheism that minimises the existence of "god" also minimises the existence of "grand evil alchemists"'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'dinosaur farts resulted in alot more hydrogen or carbon in the atmosphere than today's sustainable 10%ile margin of our energetic emmissions'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'says the dinosaur fartologists'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'we're aight'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine, concocting false dinosaur science is "disreputable"'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it's only false if you didn't hear their professors discussing it'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and inrespectful, too'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i put it in my own words in a mocking logic way'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'there was no logic there, you're currently in the same boat as the religious weirdos that demand a right to teach scientific falsehoods to their children.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'that's what they say, is the greenhouse gas shit was about 10% higher than it is today, which they speculate resulted in the ice age'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and not the unprovable, grand falsehoods, either.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a lot of viewers dislike Stephen Colbert when Stephen Colvbert is too convincing as a serious republican abomination'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'what's wrong with scientific falsehood, you teach them unmorality through your systems while some parents tried to teach them morality'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'your systems teach them scientific fact, their fact seems to conflict base moralities that most people should be aware of breaking'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'a LOT more than 10%, actually.  Everyone's freaking out about the climate right now and they can barely imagine what it'd be like with another 10% on top, but it was closer to 3-4 times THAT amount when the dinos were stomping the yard.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'some republicans (perhaps from watching the audacious Stephen Colbert) are brazenly supporting and enacting ludicrous laws'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'politics = geez i'd like to get away with that too, how about you?  i get away with it anyway, how about you?  if i don't agree they say i could lose my job, ok now that all votes that matter are cast lets ratify our opinion'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'instigators rarely get punished as severely as second-comers.  This has been evident in professional hockey for a long, long time now.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'example of brazen republican laws: first-911-responders to be eligible for medical relief for treatment of their soon-to-be-fatal-cancers must prove they are not terrorists'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'another example of brazen republican intent: reduce medicare for the elderly and the poor so that the rich and affluent may be even richer'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'take away $4 billion in subsidies so that gas prices will drop.  Oh, wait, you said Republicans...'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the republicans acts as though their crass brazen greed knows no shame'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'thing is that the rich have been rich since probably alexander the great pillaged egypt, their offsprings, and they treated people inhumanely through their country toys ever since'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'lineages of high enemies are preserved and anonymously set up in different fractions of the world government hierarchy'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'somebody living in the poorest nation on earth can be the richest anonymous man on earth'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'they don't sacrifice their elderly or their children in their judgements, cause they're protected by the imaginary value people see in money'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it's as old as moses and beyond, there must be some magic to it'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Dokkar, how do subsidies prop up gas prices'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Product X costs Z amount to procure/distribute, and I'm giving you M amount, for a net price of A.  If I subtract M, you then have to come up with that much more on your own, which will affect A.  Unless you are going to admit you've been fleecing the rest of us this whole time, you will probably want to maintain A.  Since more of Z is being shouldered by you now, whatever we give you for a piece of X has to go up.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Nuala faints.
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'because we're talking about gas, specifically, the profit margins currently being operated under range from pennies at the high end and pieces-of-pennies at the low end (ever wondered where that 9/10 on the gas price came from?)'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: '10% of every penny is tithed by somebody or is it?'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'basically, but it's more about defraying the cost and keeping a "low" price'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'you produce the asphalt that produces your highways in your country, but damn, they sure cost alot to pave'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'when talking about gas, specifically, keeping a low price and maintaining A are not relevant'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'in the US, the portion of total income and wealth that ends up with the richest people has been steadily increasing for 40 years at least'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'minimum wage to all flagbearers and give the contractor a 10% cut of the expenditure that the organizers organized'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'most people don't seem to be aware of what the distribution is like though'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'what's worse, being on welfare or pretending you're not?'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i want me some 3 million dollar welfare cheques too, but i think that would make me a politician'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'pretending you're on welfare is worse than either one'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'how does pretending to be not-on-welfare while actually not-on-welfare "work" (without the pun on "work')'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i was contrasting politicians and their victim's without work'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'wow, they're all related, any bottom feeders made it to the top?'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'not too likely, they have stories but are they real?'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'step 1. leave mansion step2. get in bentley and drive to site (park far enough away so that you don't get associated with affluency) step 3. change out of your nice clothes and into some dirty rags step 4. beg for handouts on the corner.  step 5. ??? step 6. PROFIT!'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'step 7: get mugged by some other panhandler'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'ah, politicians are actually on "welfare" even though those politicans do not believe they are on welfare -- but those politicians are not "pretending" - they brazenly believe they're employed and receiving a just salary and thus not on welfare'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I was referring to actual professional panhandlers, Necro.  People who in all likelihood actually pay more taxes than you.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'how about forbes cocaine operator's investing in wall street?  or foreign people controlling every industry in your society, as though they don't run it from there, produce for it somewhere else, and sell it back to you with empty workers pockets'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'speculation'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'foreigners really have the best in mind for members of a nation they want to enslave'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'at least, that must be the assumption of your governments'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Genghis Khan did, at least.  He offered to leave them alone and treat them like native sons if they pledged loyalty to his cause.  Nobody wanted to join him, however, so he decimated their populations and scorched their lands'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Genghis Khan did a lot of damage to human civilisation'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Genghis Khan was likely worse than Hitler'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'nah, he was a regular Che in his day.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'the tales of the roman empire's conduct may be even worse than khan's, and czar ivan sure is a marvelous figurehead for russian victory science, attila the hun is a historical scourge that may have been brutal but fought against those others who's brutality went unchecked'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'cutsie phrases do not change the fact that Genghis Khan was an abomination'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gregor: 'ancient rome is COOL'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'ordering the genocide of the scottish people they say did septimius severus who they say they have a statue for in rome today, and who's document ordering it is preserved somewhere - after rape and humiliation, cause they wouldn't bow to him'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i see some places claiming king james of scottland and england, it's curious to wonder what ever became of those shady histories'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"nah, Saint Adolf was just a regular nationalist in his day" <-- does that cutsie phrase do an adequate history revision - maybe in a timetrack where Adolf won the war'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'victors always rewrite history'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'you sound as if you just discovered this :P'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Xyliz may've discovered the clever use of cutsie phrases'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'when is xyliz going to discover the clever use of the personal pronoun?'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'well, crap, I guess now he'll take a week off from debate channel...'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'some kingdoms are rapists, others want to be left alone and others attack the rapists'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'i prefer the latter two types of kingdoms'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that depends on whether there are kids involved'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'for a kingdom to succeed at being left alone, it needs to a) be completely worthless or b) make itself tough enough that others will leave it alone.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz finds that the use of the third-person is less egocentric and more detached
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'Not really -- it just makes you look like someone who either doesn't speak English very well or is incredibly egocentric.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'or secretive.  A popular ET theory suggests that successful civilizations will be those that can control their signal broadcasting.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'and OBE are fun '
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gregor: 'Oh the irony'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Majic snickers with Dokkar about their shared secret.
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'or c) have a nation that attacks their rapists behind them'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'nods, necroshine, but that still means that someone, somewhere, has to be attacking'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'and 'attacking the rapists' soon turns to 'conquer them so they can't do it again' ... history has very few good guys and those that were actually good were usually ineffective and quickly slain.'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'or maybe there were some successful good guys who were erased from the history book'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'and a new creed has to form'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'unlikely'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'good guys tend to lose to bad guys with fewer scruples'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'good guys have justice on their side, bad guys have lust on theirs'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"erased from the history book" is ambiguous'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'justice tends to be worthless unless backed up by a strong army :P'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'too much justice is tyranny'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'strength in imbecilies, else strength in purpose'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine, that was nonsense'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'it puts the shark in the swimming pool'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a bad analogy, as a shark shall be sick in a chlorinated swimming pool'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'and that bad analogy does not "put the lotion in the basket"'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Necroshine: 'depends who i'm lubing'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it puts the lotion on the skin!'
T3/r3/2011-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(perv)'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Loud&Proud Broud: 'The Syrian ambassador is slain by a final deadly slash!!'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Buffy Anne: 'Not yet'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Buffy Anne: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'anybody know the reason all casino's in canada are operated by indians?  nobody seems to know why'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they don't pay taxes, and operate the government funded casino's'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'part of the treatise written in stone before the founding of little bighorn the great slave canadian version was that all indians shall run casino's and not pay the taxes that create them'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'hey, it's all good, they got a free ticket through life with all the best venison'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '15% of a farmers taxes gets tithed to education, which indians get their schools funded from, and which they use to go on multiple trips to slut vegas in a year, to learn how best to slut out casino's'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'education's all about the free trips to whore houses'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the treatise doesn't let us murder people on our sacred land, but we can run casino's on it, and on yours too cause the treatise says gambling is legal if you're doing it in an indian facility'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'to be fair, bar owners can have a slot machine if they want'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine is claiming to be indian ?'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'can oil corporations drill tax-free on indian land?  maybe if they give every indian that reaches 18 a 100,000 dollar cheque'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'no, i'm just seeing if anybody knows the reasons or not'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'biggest car lot in canada is located about 40 miles from the hobema indian reserve where they have that gig going'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'highest crime rate in canada there, or near to'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"treaty" is not spelt "treatise"'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'with a treaty card a pack of smokes or a case of beer costs about 7 bucks or 18 bucks, without it's around 13 and 25'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'gallon of gasoline is probably cut down from around 8 bucks to around 5 bucks'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'roads are paved by taxes that they drive on and don't fund, but they do have positions of authority in all of the government programs that direct where roads are paved'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'canada's a fairly racist nation too, getting worse every day'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'those roads were paved by spilt indian blood from prior genocides and land thefts  -- seems your whining indicates a desire to be greedy like a nazi'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'like the stigmata of ww2 placed upon all white people, or the slavery of black people preached while they chant the n-word in their rap songs 100+ time's a day on mtv, we're taught about how badly the indians were treated by people most of us aren't even related to and made to accept the justification of their eternal subjection of our existance through indirect assumptions of historical authenticity'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so, get whoever the fuck is on my land of my ancestors off of it and then you can preach how i chose to move here'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'if you claim to be part german, you may be related to those that killed the indians'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'oh guilty by association hey'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think that about pinpoints every skin breed on earth to some form of payment due'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how about china's current funding of enslavement of african people for coal'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or mexicans'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'two for china to pay off'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you chinese?  you're an enslaver'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'would you like it if i used my foreign government to make me an bottomless bank account and bought all of your surroundings and all of your businesses or put them out of business through my own, then imported a bunch of workers from foreign lands on working visa's to do all of the work and replaced all of your positions with machinery and put you on welfare that you were condemned for being on, then gradually removed you from the gene pool and area through suicidal tendencies, brainwashing and forced relocation to various other places where my current syste of obtained enslavement isn't in full bloom yet?'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you got yourself a temporary visa to work there, can you afford to pay me the money through my education system or insurance system for your liscence to get to any of my job vocations that require a liscence and a vehicle before applying for?'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(licence)'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'australia's a funny place, somehow they control all of the media in the world, own all of the corporations that drill oil and potash, nuclear minerals and diamond mine's, all without being members of the countries they get rich off of'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what do you think about australia?'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'do they produce alot for the world or just, sort of puppet the world around and reap the rewards'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you'd think a government would have more funds for public spending if they were the ones to control all corporations within instead of exnational people who can be any number of terrorists'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and also provide employment opportunities in things sentient to the operation of a nation'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'got some oil in the dirt and need fuel for oyur car?  drill some out and keep teh facility operational, do you have a death threat pending if you don't destroy your land to send it somewhere else?'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how many cows does it take to feed 100 million beef eaters in a year?'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it takes a russian rocket scientist to fund how to figure that out'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yet again, Dashiell: 'I think Necroshine gets his news from Weekly World News and The Onion'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yet again, Dashiell: 'and can't tell them apart from reality'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'no, actually it's observation of reality, the corporations existing in my country, the cost of things and immigration rates of terrorists, the money going to strange locations from the rewards that aren't reaped by the citizens and the absence of difficulty in organizing and operating the facilities that the foreigners own'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Yet again, Dashiell sniggers quietly to himself, reflecting over an amusing thought.
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yet again, Dashiell: 'did you get rejected from mcdonalds again?'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'd never work at macdonalds'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yet again, Dashiell: 'ah, they don't let you wear a helmet, that's right'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm probably as smart as you or smarter, but i lacked the pappa and mamma funding that you had'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yet again, Dashiell: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah that's right 1959 tin hat african ww2 veterans society'
T3/r3/2011-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yet again, Dashiell: 'You're not smarter than I am, and you got more money from your parents than I did. I can guarantee you that.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhopal_disaster how come you don't see things like this criticized?  DOWThe Bhopal plant was sold to McLeod Russel (India) Ltd. UCC was purchased by Dow Chemical Company in 2001.  A government affidavit in 2006 stated the leak caused 558,125 injuries including 38,478 temporary partial and approximately 3,900 severely and permanently disabling injuries.[4]'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'The attack killed between 3,200 and 5,000 people, and injured around 7,000 to 10,000 more, most of them civilians'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'thousands more died of complications, diseases, and birth defects in the years after the attack http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_poison_gas_attack'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'one was a technical glitch, the other was a meaningful murder?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's horrendous, but they seem to tell people poison gas plants are pretty flowers and we have all precautions in place so rest assured you won't be one of the 800 million casualties of the next fuck up that won't happen, like we predicted in these other cases'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and don't worry, while we have an arsenal of killer agents larger than he ever had, we won't use them'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they're just there for decorative purposes'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and to think fecal matter and nature were enough to grow a crop until around 1940'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you defending against the citizens of another country, or their ranchers?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if you're defending against their ranchers why don't you target them instead of the endless supply of cannon fodder they select from their citizens'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i just want to hoe my fucking garden in piece, and you want me to hoe it for you instead of me, why don't you hoe your own fucking garden?  i have to tithe you from protection from you?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if humanity will forever be a cutthorat affair, why shouldn't we just end it now instead of letting it rot another generation?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'pointless life of constant decay, share your wisdom on the epilogue of dismay'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'we can't stop fucking, so we have to steal your land since you are more able to restrain your fucking '
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if you can't restrain your fucking and feed on people who can, you seem to be a parasite'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'seems just like i figure - the heads of these nations are all working for the same head of their nations, and the wars they send people to in their mind-game's are all part of continual population control with their nutseedlings always organizing the charade'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and i don't care much what you think about that, cause that's how it seems to be'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'want some food for thought, observe the hostile nation's positions in your own societies, controlling industries and social systems remotely '
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'most of them are owned by those governments of those people, if national security wasn't a joke then that wouldn't exist'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'Hey! Gratz to the US on taking out that foxy Bin Laden..."No matter how long it takes,justice will be done" commented former Leader of the Free World, George Bush. Now we can expect the world to be a safer place. (rofl).'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'party like its 2000!'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'one down i guess, can't claim wall street to be the saint of the free world, since they put a price tag on everything though'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'they upp'd the bar.. now we're gonna want more'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but each to their own perception of how rich you are and how come you're that way'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'but did the USA spend a drone on an already long dead body'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'glad they got the reason for going to war out of the way now, i wonder if they'll withdraw with objective complete or not and people can exist without constant world war'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'a drone?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'do you think that'll be the case though?  cause i doubt it'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'the cost is nearly unmeasureable'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'which makes it a loss'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'Attack of the Drones'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they can probably automatically assemble them by computers and robotic arms'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'Hey, that means we can end the war now... right? .... ... right?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'couple tonnes of coal burnt, one down'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'no? :('
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's remarkable with the trillion dollar or so pricetag and 5000 lives spent on the war that their bounty was only 25 million on him, you'd think they'd be able to negotiate higher'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but questions are endless and the war must go on i guess, glad they got a influencial hatred of people who reportedly aided them against soviet invasion out of the way'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'I posted that very fact on my FB, necro, and was told i was " conspiracy theorist "'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i watched a movie about it'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'I had to delete that bitch's comment'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'what war are you talkin about'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i guess the director may be a conspiracy theorist too'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'to be fair, i did comment myself talking about american imperium'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'so that might have been what set off her 'gaydar''
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'somewhere in the 1980's where the soviet union was invading afghanistan, laying candy-shaped land mines for children to pick up, and blowing up afghani's with helicopters with no resistance, treating them like trash - then the movie took the stance of the then congressman giving the ok to set up deals to arm the afghani's with anti-aircraft missiles to shoot down the helicopters and things like that'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Modi: any war, as long as there is a war, everyone is happy (well, except for the people getting killed maybe)'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'the armament of mujahidin is a known fact, ask hillary clinton : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FH6du1OjIfo'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'war, hah!, waht is it good for..'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'ABSOLUTELY nOTHING'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'what are you talking about!...get out in the street and wave a flag!...bin Laden's dead :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): RagingFury boggles at the concept.
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'good for him'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Bin Laden is the greatest example of how US intelligence works (that might be an oxymoron)'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'must have had second thoughts about all those virgins for it to have taken so long :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'well it took 9.5 years, but it worked'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'we killed more innocent afghans/iraqis (throw in some libyans and paki's too) than osama ever did americans. Shouldn't we drone GW and Obama, then?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'those underground tunnels and things are amazing feats and difficult to navigate they say, i watched post-war footage through the tunnels in vietnam and things like that'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'we saved more though'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what took 9.5 years?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'not as easy as snapping your fingers and having the rabbit leave the one of many hole's, so i imagine it was difficult to find him, especially with all the connections he had to move around anonymously'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'Killing  to prevent killing?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'well we were too late to save the millions killed by there own'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'Oh right, i forgot morality and ethics are dead.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'heh, that was the theory behind the bombing of Japan with the a-bomb :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'After the war was already effectively over?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caeli: 'They're not dead.  Just subjective.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'it only took so long because nobody noticed he snuck out of cave in Afghanistan and snuck into Pakistan'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the theory behind the first bomb, the second bomb was dropped to make sure the first one wasn't a fluke.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'well that was horrendous, absolutely '
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'why bring that up'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'no one will support that now'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'and what millions are you talking about modi? you think osama was out blowing up schools and towns in afghaniland?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are naive, Dynamo. The US could have had Bin Laden any time they wanted. After 9/11 he was openly in Somalia. The Somalian government offered to hold Bin Laden until the US could take him. The US refused.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'no.. but i do think he had bloodlust in his heart'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'not on his own, perhaps,'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'So did he have bloodlust in his heart or was he killing millions in his own land? because that's what you said just a second ago'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'gee I must be naive (rofl)'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i was being more ambigous, sorry'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'k :P'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I just formed a theory. The US decided to get bin laden now, because obama needs to cut spending on war because the economy is bankrupt.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'but he had a hand in perhaps a million innocent deaths, no?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, Modi, they might not support the use of tacical weapons on a country, but the number of dead in Iraq have surpassed the number of dead in Japan. So they won't support a strike that would kill 1000s in one instance, instead they support a slow, profit making war that will kill more.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'you mean they didn't *really* want him?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'I'd have to disagree without more evidence'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'not that the us doenst have that'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'the us needed to kill osama because he knew too much about obama's birth certificate'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I demand that obama produce the long-form death certificate'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Senator Starbug snickers with Dispel Majic about their shared secret.
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'modi I mean, maybe you just moved your decimal place 2 digits too far on accident'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'im not a stats major'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'numbers mean nothing to me'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can disagree all you want, the fact is that the US never wanted to capture Bin Laden. For one, they would have to be forced to prove that he did all the things they claim he did.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'K well if you want to understand the world a little addition might do you wonders'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'that is true'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'they could have taken him alive'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'but that would create too much chaos'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, the US could have taken him alive, but dead men don't talk. Same reason they killed Guevara in his sleep when they could have simply captured him.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'I think he died of natural causes in his house down the street from King Saud'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caeli: 'Is there anywhere near enough information available at the moment to make that claim?  That they could have taken him alive, that is'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'please, dont be naive'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't know about down the street from the king, but that is probably what happened. The man was ill.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's a war where your sovereignty demands you defend yourself, and there's a war where you challenge somebody elses because you want something from there - immorality ensues in both places, but looking from an unbiased perspective what occurs in the foreign case may not concern what the invader sees as a reason to intrude'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how many psychopaths in this world own arsenals that could destroy any nation on earth?  and what makes them think another psychopath with similar abilities is a threat?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'psychopath is an extreme label'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'he was prolly had a big bomb under his bed hoping they would try to arrest and try him so he could blow them all up together...better safe than sorry.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'not them we worry about'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'Sociopath might be more accurate'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'besides, the death of Bin Laden makes little actual difference to the world, the only thing that it does it provides political fodder.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'they dont get their finger on the trigger'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's never the citizens that are ruled that cause the wars, unless they rise against the dictator who rules them, and if that occurs why does any nation from 2000 miles away have to assist?  there's neighbouring nations who could do that'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Bin Laden was not a sociopath.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'probably the US, China, Pakistan, Russia have that kind of arsenal'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'but The rockefellers and the windsors might be'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caeli: 'Well, it also provides the world a martyr / rallying point / partial sense of closure, depending on perspective'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Of those, one country wages much more war than the others...'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'no not a sociopath...he was once a respected business leader til he turned to the dark side...'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'Dark Side being, anti-western plutocracy, right?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you mean the House of  Saxe-Coburg and Gotha? :) The very German British Royal house :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'the selfsame'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'no...only interested in killing innocent people rather than making the world a better place to live'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and conveniently the chapter on 9/11 can be closed without letting the people know what really happened. Now it will be "Bin Laden did it and he's dead, so case closed".'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'so obama is jack ruby? :P'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'al sakari did 911'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caeli: 'Is there actually debate on what happened with 9/11?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): RagingFury laughs out loud at Caeli.
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'it was closed by 9/12 2001 :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'and hes been dead for coupel years yea'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'may I ask what country you are from Caeli?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'people often don't seem to see both sides of the story leading into war as they actually are, this is how this is, that is how that is, do you think we should go to war or not?  the media plays the side that makes the war seem righteous without any contradictory or self-judgemental inclinations included in their speeches, why make things better here when we can make things there as they are here?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caeli: 'Would you believe the answer if it did not suit you?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'Any answer suits me, i'm only curious about what to attribute it to.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'it's laughable some people think he died back in '99, '00...how could he die now if he died then?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'sure, i've been watching starving children on tv since i was 8 years old, wondering why they have no food, now knowing they have plenty of freshwater and developmental abilities, weakened military's that keep them in subjection and genocides happening from foreignly armed militants along with rape and whatever else they want, why is it that these here helpless people are not aided in developing themselves, instead of aiming for people who don't want any aid'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'so yes, i would believe :P'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caeli: 'The question?  I'd hope that the words could be held to their own weight, instead of through the lens of perceptions on nationality.  But I'm in the US.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'as am I friend'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'all the money in the world donated to your favourite feed the starving children charity isn't guaranteed to even feed one of them, but people have sympathy and do so anyway'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they throw out solutions to problems before implementing them, nobody knows they find solutions cause they're not broadcasted, only the searcher can find them, and then if they get publicity their memory is forgotten - to unstain the lack of funding into it'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'humanitarian efforts?  i doubt that very much'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'Some interesting witnesses from inside WTC 1 and 2 reported several series of explosions from the bottoms of the towers before and after the planes struck the floors around 80'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'NY Fire-fighters, to be exact. as well as other workers from the area'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'yeah i heard some people didn't even believe bin Laden did it!!'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'Also, black smoke can be seen from the towers where the jet fuel burnt up, but somehow white smoke poured from WTC 1 2 and _7_... for hours and hours'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'let me ask you this, RagingFury? Had he been arrested for the crime would he have been convicted?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'osama?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'can you believe that!?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): RagingFury shrugs helplessly.
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't believe that there is even any evidence that Osama knew anyone connected to 9/11. For one thing, we really don't know who was connected.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'hard to say that option was obviously never explored to any extent'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'dynamo are you being sarcastic? :P'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'it was so obvious the news anchors worked it out while it was happening, for goodness sake!'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what was obvious?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'they never tried to arrest or convict him in a court, international or otherwise'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'hes been the worlds most wanted for a decade'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'no trial for those'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what would you think if suddam hussein had a son in the world today, who watched the american's cheering on the execution of his father after finding no weapons of mass destruction, he could be a very rich man or influencial - do you think this guy would be satisfied living without the thought of justice as he perceives it lingering in his mind?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'he did catch a flight to a hospital for dialysis in... kuwait or saudi arabia i can't remember'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how many friends might he have?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, he was. Governments need people like Osama. Before him, there was Carlos. With people like that, the government can burn resources in the name of capturing those "monsters". Their track record is dismal, but not their expenditures.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'was joseph stalin publicly executed for murdering all of the comrades of lenin's government along with countless people during his stay in russian power?  does anybody even teach much about the monsters of the 20th century?  how about the french man in cambodia?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and when there is no Osama or Carlos, then they go after the Rosenbergs :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caeli: 'Anaristos, I don't think the issue was ever that Osama personally knew the hijacks.  Just that they were part of al-qaeda, an organization he helped establish and run.  and while I'm fuzzy on the details at the moment, there were ties linking at least some of the hijackers to al-qaeda'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'he probably killed more people than 10000 suddam hussein's would have'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'they were all a part of the CIA's database of mujahidin fighters'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but america decided to assist him in the war, both sides have degrees of criminality to them'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'that's the only connection, the one made by the US to group them all together regardless of their affiliations'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you know, if what i read from history accounts is correct'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caeli: 'The afflication _is_ al-qaeda, though'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, Caeli. I understand that. But note that Osama's "terrorist" group was not the only one that could possibly had done it, if indeed it was done by a foreign group. So how did they come to the conclusion that it was Osama even before the buildings stopped smoldering.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'but now that he's dead we can all just forget it and move on...finally :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the only question is who will take his place as the world's most wanted :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'move on to occupy the country for another ten years...'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'why is it that soembody who defined the law in his country, and was captured on false premise was executed for fighting back against the invaders of those false premise, why weren't the presidents of the usa or the victims of their families given grievance allowances, punished for the tens of thousands of dead american's and mutated american's in the early 20th century?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'cuz it was easy?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caeli: 'Well, it was the prime suspect at the time due to AQ's previous attack against the world trade center'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caeli: 'Er, he was, rather.  bleh, typo'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'this world ideology of justice, crime and punishment needs to be seriously revamped imo, all things considerable considered it seems as shaky as it can get'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, that attack was believable and so was the result. 9/11 was a technical marvel.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'they should reinstitute the gentleman's duel'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'challenger chooses the weapon, i pick unarmed combat!'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caeli: 'Heh.  Duels _are_ quite efficient...'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'best thing is, if you don't want to die, or kill someone'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caeli: 'but then, we lost Hamilton that way.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'refuse!'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'we obviously don't care about honor these days :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caeli: 'A fair point.  As long as the proposer of the duel did not insist on having it anyway (and then commense to beating his 'opponent' with the end of a cane upon the floor of congress), it could work pretty well'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'then all those martial arts disciplines could be put to good use'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'do you think having a single country with an arsenal that can destroy the world at the ready, to be inherited by the next 'personally flawed psychology' patriarch, is a good thing?  changing fundamental laws in the constitution and agreements of don't toe the line laws that were established to keep the integrity of a nation in place, gradually one by one each one's offspring with top education, each capitalizing on their own deviant psychologies and each either aspiring towards world peace?  most likely not, or world domination of some sector of more control they wish to attain - is a good kind of way to live?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'who wants to live knowing that not only a random asteroid can come snaking down to send them straight to hell along with the other innumerable ways death can acheive, to have that dictated by a human on top of it'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caeli: 'It's not really a choice, though.  That genie's already kinda out of the bottle, and now there are multiple countries would can wreck human civilization.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caeli: 'who can, rather.  Bleh, sorry'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think life was alot better when warfare was conducted by tiny little tribes of people who attacked or defended, and before those occurred maybe just lived as they were without threats from centralized death dictators'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caeli: 'Oh, def.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, warfare probably was ... i don't know about life in general'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'i kinda like having things like toilets so i don't have to shit behind a bush ...'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'it was probably a lot less about killing and a lot more about showing that one could be killed ? :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caeli: 'You just don't appreciate the rustic nature of the simplier times!'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'all those things can stick around without a camera watching your rectum expand to search for weapons of mass privacy violation in your asshole'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'back when a neighbour was a neighbour and not somebody waiting to cut your throat so he can steal what's yours'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'bullshit, there have always been scummy people'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caeli: 'Wait, so you're against free colonoscopies at the airport?  I didn't know you had such strong anti-healtcare views :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but communities used to watch out for those more closely instead of letting them fester and corrupt them'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'necro thinks he's of a greater breed that died out many generations ago'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'in some cases they did and in some they did not, people are people throughout the centuries'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'and he was somehow reborn into the cut of their cloth :P'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'no, i just think life could have been alot better if the people behind the current state of things weren't assholes'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well yeah ... but the problem is that people who seek power tend to be assholes'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'death inclusive, maybe we could live longer and enjoy more days of our lives than the facade of things most people seem to live'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'are there no benevolent assholes?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'Augustus Caesar?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'school of unregulated progression, there's a university that doesn't exist, neccessitated biological studies, another, unhindered by money school of the real, and a nother'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'subject to sustainable growth and benevolent integration techniques that don't violate one another's personal values or rights - another'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the upholders of the law who cannot be bought, here's a difficult block to tackle'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and where would you find those?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'imperfect doctrine of the strive for perfect lawyering, revamped as flaws are realized - progressive justice ?  loopholes that keep us out of trouble is the current school for lawyers'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'nowhere today, maybe in philosophy'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i just went on a tangent of corrupt systems and implicit abuse of power through the overextravagance of force, eventual thinking and alternatives that aren't ever integrated but which could be used worldwide - on the topic of who's right and who's wrong, you delved a little into conspiracy theories and i delved a little into how to avoid the plotters and the progression that brought them into their current fruition theoretically'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'it's all talk anyway ;)'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if my frequency is a little distorted that's ok, i kind of consider what you say and what i think at the same time, when i see something you say that draws my attention i respond , when i see alternatives not considered i point out some, cause i'm like that, i think alot trying to figure out why things are as they are and what would make them better instead of worse, or rather, what stopped them from moving towards perfection and towards annihilation'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's more abstract i think, less detailed but relevant if you seen it as i did'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I don't believe perfection is attainable ... moreover, perfection differs depends on whom you ask.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'i don't think it exists, you can't grow goodness into something perfect, you can only bypass or improve upon weakness in order to become less imperfect'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the universe is perfect :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'i thought that one up last night reading about evolution and genetics and endocrinology and reproduction'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'think of it like this, here's the current state of the world, and maybe 15% of the population of a rich nation doesn't have to work but yet has it all available to them, 60% of the population has some shred of thankfulness in their daily activities maybe even in poor nations, as their life expectancy isn't very long they still find pleasure, some of them, in simple things - and the system that keeps things as they are doesn't change, so why obsess over what's proven corrupt and not focus on reasons why it is corrupt, implications for the future war's to come, endless death and destruction that is needlessly dealt, social systems that develop the redundance of these systems and capitalize on furthering corruption instead of fixing problems, and give some contrasts that seem absurd because they're in absence of the former practices'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'don't take anything for granted, believe half of what you see and a third of what you hear'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe perfection itself, as an everlasting eternal being who is unobservable to the naked eye, does exist and is a fearsom being, our ignorance of it may be a blessing for to see it may be obliteration of not only our body but our soul and/or mind, moving as far away from it as possible can be an individuals choice, but moving towards it in theological systems of justice may be a way to escape obliteration of the whole'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'you ahve a romantic vision of everything, even if you don't realize it necro'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'thats a molotov cocktail in debate terms!'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the holistic approach to social problems indoctrinates the very fabric of government and law, morality of what is acceptable and what is not, there are many tools used against it'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'cause you say so much and yet so little :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think it's of utmost importance that the administration of societies and their governmental programs are left uncorrupted and strive towards perfection, while those who operate within their bounds are subject to their own deviations being human, and those within the societies can choose to conform more or less to the system striving towards perfection of itself, ie, human system's shouldn't be viable to human error'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'there is no two systems, though, they are all merely experience, through a subjective lens that is crafted by environment'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'there is no way to get people to understand in perfect harmony short of creating a cult(ure)'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'nothing little about it, you have a 1200 page law book giving reasons why some people should get away with something while others shouldn't'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'see it how you want, i don't care if you don't understand me, that's the government(s) i see, the system(s) i see and the absence(s) i see'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'it's still a book, and that book doesn't think and feel or remember 2000 years of history, it is only a still life of an evolving scene of life'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'your vision is acute, but the battle is deeper than awareness, it is connectedness'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'the people who say i'm a conspiracy theory, it's not that they can't see or understand my viewpoint, it's that they are connected so strongly to their they are loath to 'believe' anythinge else'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'take for instance a politician or a mayor who openly is displayed to have committed felony of public resources that the people paid for, and yet isn't convicted for it, nor does he suffer a withdrawal of his paycheque, the very people who he slandered pay for his lawyer, then pay for his mansion for the rest of his life and many of theirs'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'how do you know it's they who are connected too strongly to reconsider and not you?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'it is both'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's one example of the deviation of the system itself and not individual deviation'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'which makes it even harder :P'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'I have to reconsider my views regularly'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'as new information or patterns become apparent'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'so I percieve those that live in absolutes, or terms that have no possibity of deviation, as having a weaker over-all view because they limit the adaptability of their mindset'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'not trying to defend myself necessarily, but justify why i don't take what someone says the first time they say it without criticizing it in some way to test it's weaknesses'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'he critique may take years'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'or a lifetime'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'in the case of necro, i attempted to explain once, that i've been on that road of "oughts" and "shoulds" and that the politicians "need" to "change" or "be better" but the truth is they are human and we can't help their failures, or change them, only vote them out... which is difficult given the strangle-hold of the human disposition to resist that which is fearful'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'or ambiguous'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'or 'other-than-ones-idea-of-acceptable''
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'so voting them out has become a farce because the shell-game is too quick for people to develop a coeherent resistance'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah, but what are the odds that both political 'parties' in a nation aren't working together, and bring about pre-queued results within each electorate reign that fulfill the purposes of the mind behind both?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'very low, where does the but come in?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't have much faith in politics, if the oil industry is any indication, it seems the supreme court slashing bills and costs for them is always a #1 priority in any case, extending the reigns of its propagation'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'republican vs democrat is like the national league vs the american league... just different teams playing the same game :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'agreed necro, I believe it's worse anaristos, the truth is we are moving along a path from republic to empire, just like rome'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'show me one government that puts its lowest citizen's accessibility to public services and a normal life as its #1 priority?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'show me a politician who wants to replace impoverished gang-nations with work opportunities and protection from gangsters'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'but the tools that kept romans in charge of a land-mass are much less sophisticated and powerful than the tools that keep the 'americans' in charge of landmass'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'show me a politician who wants to cencor the media that children are now raised on to invoke caring for the world around them and one another'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or clean up the schoolyards from harrassment'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'why is the burden on me to show you, you already know and appear to aknowledge they dont exist'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'you have already shown yourself'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'show me a politician who wants each educational institute to be filled with teachers who are on par with one another and who's certificates are authentic, instead of hailing one university above another'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'competitive wages and competitive degrees'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you can't make all educational institutes equal unless you make them all equally mediocre'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there is none, they sooner set up a foreign banker than they'd set up the offspring of one of the original settlers in their own nation'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or even provide opportunity to them'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'sovereignty belongs to only a select few in their world necro... why do you think they hijacked jesus, who's teaching was that the key to the all freedom was sovereignty (freedom) of the heart'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they'd sooner importa a possible foreign intelligence agency worker from a hostile nation than they would train one of their own citizens to do the job that man does'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: '"the last shall be first, and the first shall be last"'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'money's as old as moses, can't render unto caesar what moses rendered unto pharoah'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if the old testament is any indication'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'i prefer a much longer timeline'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '2 shekels 1 shekel'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'there is your politician willing to stand up to tyranny'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'they fuckin' killed him'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'who?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'jesus'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'better to stand up to tyranny than be a slave to a blind bat'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'absolutes absolutes absolutes :P'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'someday you will use nuance'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'rather than the bludgeon'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'He doesnt like the harsh language'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think the roman catholic church emphasizes about everything the current gospel story scorned, mainly being seen of to worship in public, wearing rich garments, collecting material wealth and land, how many treasures in your vaults?  performing exploitation of people's faith to attain sexual pleasures as done in the scorned name of the ignored doctrine of jesus'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but that's just my opinion of them'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'you might not intend it, but so you know, the way you said the thing about tyranny and slavery, makes it sounds as if if you don't stand up to tyranny, then you are a slave to a blind bat'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'perverting jesus's said laws to draw in more crowds, homosexual marriage anybody?  it is an abomination according to the bible, as is a female preacher - so as is the woman should be taught the bible from her husband'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'and it seems you mis interpret my mention of Jesus, as an endorsement of the catholic church'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'which would be a false and an example of thinking in absolutues, hence: An arguement for jesus, oh he must mean catholics'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'is he a jew who is one inwardly or one outwardly?  there's people claiming to be jews in the world today, while the book of hebrews states that he is not a jew who is one outwardly, but inwardly - meaning whoever believes in their heart and attempts to adhere to his commandments is a jew'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'now you're off to the house of jacob and israel - jacob stole esau's inheritance in the story by pretending to be esau while esau was out hunting, his sly brother jacob placed hair upon his hand to make it appear as though it were esau's, and had his fathers inheritence given him through slander'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'very demonic or characteristic of the devil isn't it?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'race doesn't exist in the hebrews gospel definition, so who's the race of gods chosen people?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'there two answers, yes and no. it is ambiguous. Many Imams would claim an inward adherence to Islam(submission to god) is all that's necessary to be considered muslim, but ask a slew of christians who submit to "god" whether they are Muslim and they will probably not recieve it well'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'so as you pointed out the Judaic equivalent, the problem is in dogma and indoctrination'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'they pervert the true intents of the sprititual awakenings the religions intend'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'by adding in all the crap about demons and, sacraments, and prayer whatever else'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'God wants people to grow away from imperfection, not be concerned about who are his people'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'if you want to frame it in deistic terms'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if people became perfect got would get bored. He wouldn't have anyone to punish.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'but he would have more people that love one another'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'heh :P'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, right.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'like i said before, not perfection, away from imperfection'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they say in several churches and castles around the world, in absence of a trek to the holy land of israel they have a roadmap inscribed in a tapestry or floor, where people were to pay homage in some way to channel their energy into the idea of reaching the city since it's not present - arcane that, as god is the lord of hosts, and god is the living god, it could stand to reason that everybody on earth is a temple of their own, be that the earth itself as a temple in which we live, space as the temple our earth is housed within, the sun a temple of its own, temples dedicated to the sun exist'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but i believe that something not invented by humans is closer to the idea of a sacred temple than that formed by mans hands'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they could also start a fourth crusade...'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'islam will be more succesful than christianity'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'heh, so?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nist: 'Bin Laden is now more famous than he ever was alive'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nist: 'we are turning him into a martyr'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'thank zybygniew bryzienski'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I dunno, he had a lot more media coverage back in 2001-2002 than he has even today.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nist: 'just wait, tomm its gonna be nothing but Bin Laden'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'i'm gonna puke all over'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nist: 'yeah ive been arguing with dumb fucks on facebook'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'your "friends"? lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nist: 'thats futile tho ha'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'i had to hold back, kept it to a couple comments'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nist: 'well the people i have on my friends list are like actually people i hang out with'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Buffy Anne: 'does anyone else find it weird that he is "dead" like 6 days after wikileaks put out that info about al qaida gonna detonate a nuke in europe if bin laden was killed?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nist: 'i didnt hear that'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nist: 'interesting .. i tho am waiting on retaliation, i cant wait'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nist: 'shits gonna hit the fan but im ready for it i guess, lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Buffy Anne: 'http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-04-25/news/29492085_1_wikileaks-nuclear-hellstorm-nuclear-bomb'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Buffy Anne: 'Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the suspected mastermind of the 9/11 attacks, claimed Al Qaeda had hidden a nuclear bomb in Europe that was tied to Bin Laden's fate, according to a dump of classified documents released by the WikiLeaks website.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nist: 'interseting link'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nist: 'something WILL happen, i dunno what tho'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'don't worry american idol is on'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nist: 'HA HA HA'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Buffy Anne: 'northcom upped every base to fpcon bravo, which means "predictable terrorist activity"'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Buffy Anne: 'mandatory 100% id checks on every base, in and out'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Buffy Anne: 'since 10:40 am yesterday'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nist: 'hmm'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nist: 'ill have to talk to a friend who was a srg in 5th group, see what he knows'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'fill us in if he knows anything'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'pweeze'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nist: 'will do, i wont know till tomm tho'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Buffy Anne: 'tomorrow they may already detonate lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nist: 'haha, true...'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nist: 'lets hope this server isnt in EU'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'FL i think'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nist: 'good to know'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'lasher prolly has a backup somewhere'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Buffy Anne: 'state department told every one abroad to stay in their homes as much as possible'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nist: 'holy shit really?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Buffy Anne: 'yep'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nist: 'where did u read that? thats nuts'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Buffy Anne: 'http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/pa/pa_worldwide.htmlhttp://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/pa/pa_worldwide.html'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Buffy Anne: 'their own site'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Buffy Anne: 'Given the uncertainty and volatility of the current situation, U.S. citizens in areas where recent events could cause anti-American violence are strongly urged to limit their travel outside of their homes and hotels and avoid mass gatherings and demonstrations.  U.S. citizens should stay current with media coverage of local events and be aware of their surroundings at all times.  This Travel Alert expires August 1, 2011. '
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nist: 'holy crap'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nist: 'something is gonna happen'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Buffy Anne: 'yep'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'blood only leads to more blood...'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nist: 'it will be interesting to see what happens'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nist: 'yeah but u know i bet flag sales went up tonight at walmart'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nist: 'so ppl could wave it :P'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'no doubt'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'made in china flags'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nist: '"na na na na, hey hey hey, goodbye!"'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Buffy Anne: 'heh raging, operation keep silver down failed, already up to 45.46'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nist: 'haha'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'either way i'm still up :P'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nist: 'same here'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Buffy Anne :b
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'nist you anne and I need to three-way ftalk style'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Buffy Anne: 'haha, dxy 73.02, almost erased all gains on the good "news" already'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and the Hunt brothers hold a mere 62M ounces of silver... What will they ever do?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, fried eggs and sausage.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I'm a little surprised that there hasn't yet been a more violent reaction in the Middle East. Maybe they're glad the bastard is gone, too.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'people like green lawns, but did you know that ~1935-1955 people would harvest dandelions for milk and salad?  they're edible flowers that people consider to be weeds'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's one place in the world where saskatoon berries grow naturally, which is canada, and in my locality 20 years ago they were everywhere, with blueberrries, cranberries and raspberry's - now with the farmining industry all of those bushes gradually get consumed for more rapeseed or crops, and one form of natural sustenance is removed'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then there's the place frogs play in the ecosystem, consuming mosquitoe eggs as larvae and eating the full grown ones as adults - hibernating in the soil, they have seen a very extreme decline in population in the last 20 years, my yard used to be filled with them in a year - i find out that in herbicides and pesticides that farmers spray on crops is a chemical formula that eats their skins, so putting 2 together one reason becomes apparent, along with the runoffs of those chemicals into water sources where they breed'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they're aware of this stuff but don't seek to remedy it, while it seems pertinent to sustaining an ecosystem'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tenlorn: 'do you type this stuff up before copying and pasting it into Aard?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'noe'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's just random reasoning jumbles of thoughts and observations, results and probable causes, long term spectration of the foreign future'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'info's all available on science websites if you look though, i sometimes skim through them and find interesting things like this, then put pieces together to arrive at opinions'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'another interesting observation, sans lake poigneur and its assessment that where there is potash there is oil underneath the potash, is that in the desert area's of the world, undearneath is located no potash while they theorize hot air rises in those moistened caverns, natural fertilization cycles may be removed with the excess excavation and reliance on potash fertilizers and what purpose the oil served in its place the mystery, though consider the pressure within a oil well underground, liquid under oxygen, methane over oil, earth hydraulics?  steam rising through the potash to naturally fertilize the root systems of foliage'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what happens when all of that potash and oil is removed?  is it possible a desert becomes of the once fertile land?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'do the prospectors really know, or even care?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'imo there's more to consider than money, cause without nature nobody can spend it'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'at least if they would have replaced the anti-frog components of their chemicals that link wouldn't be such an issue, but consider how up until around 1950 all crops were grown without the use of chemicals, and ever since then the reliance on them has been pressed - it's not just a undesireable plant being slaughtered in a roundup field'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's things called nematodes which occur naturally in the world, and can be bred to have a taste for a certain type of foliage, and who's lifespan isn't very large - shelf life of 6 months, having safeties in place to remove those in case they didn't work would be better than constantly using the toxic solutions, i think a facility breeding biological organisms is alot less volatile than one breeding kill upon ingestion chemicals'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the growing season would require those until the plants being grown are strong enough to overcome weed roots'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lots of alternatives exist, but the chemical industry is money talking, but like i projected money may need to step back and solutions step forth in order to sustain the environment'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's methods of redistributing cow manure developed at the university of florida, for fertilizer and methane extraction, you could turn it into pellets and machine gun them over a field for fertilizer - plenty of shit available'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'say two years of reduced harvest as a result of transition, subsidized by government initiatives to adopt new practices so the little farmer doesn't lose out, over the decades the environment may get healthier and the crops cleaner, higher yields of higher quality produce'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'best bread on the market is produced from non-chemicized farm produce'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'best beer probably comes from pure hops'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'reclaim all provincial and national mineral deposits to the government to facilitate their procuration, the rewards split among the municipalities, workers and funding their own wages, leftovers for public spending and innovative experiments, such as this -- who needs a man who never been to canada deciding what canadian minerals are for, and why should he reap the upper margin of the profits instead of the nation that protects his operations with tax payer dollars through their military operations?  if it was canadian owned then through the profits the canadian protection of canadian interests would be better justified, would you give a tax cut to the government?  what for?  if canada reaped all the rewards for the mineral trades done within canada, then there wouldn't be very much reason that any of its citizens should be impoverished or left with no work opportunities, and there'd be a winder window for open change available - i don't see where people think that paying somebody from another land t'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'he majority of the income from things consumed from this land is a bad idea'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i do see it as a bad idea though, it could all be handled without foreign investment'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you want oil, here's some oil, you want to profit twice from this oil?  that's too bad cause here's the end product and there's the price'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'is the canadian government reaping big rewards from excess fuel prices, while their entire population consumes less than 30% of all oil produced in a year, and this 70% peddled elsewhere, 100% altogether peddled to yourself to, doesn't go into the pockets of a canadian owner'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if that all went to the government, the GDP of canada may be 200 billion higher in a year'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'while russia's human rights might be shit, canada's more less shitty than russia to live in - and russia does fine by producing its own airforce, navy, farm machinery and industries - that doesn't stop china from buying grain from them or other nation's buying things from them - they're even able to invest through india in venezuela for instance, being a closed-to-international-whoring country can be a good thing if you have the proper fundamental human rights in place, and the profits are endless, unemployment disappears while the government has more money to spend on people and fund job opportunities, wiser decisions are made as you're thinking for your own nation and not somebody's pocket book from anywhere who owns a stock, and things in general can improve, as long as you keep the administration within guidelines'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's basically how nations appear to me as whores, i value your diamonds less than i value my life'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm a bit of an austrlian critic , trying to reason out how it is that they control everything, yet from there comes not very much at all, kiwi fruit is nice, but that's one thing'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yet somehow they are at the top of that pocket book in every instance where i mentioned the government should be at the top of'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'cut the taxes on the large corporations they say, two sides of the same coin, for this exnational stock market venture that the canadian tax payer pays the navy and their vessals to patrol, or the airforce, how much tax dollars goes into patrolling foreign investments from your nation?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'full tank on a 8000 tonne warship, 180 - 200 personell, 18 bucks an hour-45 bucks an hour, maintenance crew at the ready all fronted by the non-corporate military, protecting the corporation'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'now that's fucking teamwork - tenacious d'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think there's more of a south-african and middle-eastern threat dwelling in canada today than there is posing from where they hail, but do they get attention from the canadian mounties, canadian military or local police?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'course not, they all look the same and are named muhammed in some taxi-cases'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they're crossing the ocean lined with military submarines and city-sized warships to conduct acts of terror on wall street, lets go get them'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'is it more difficult to up airport security at the checkpoints and where the airplanes are services than it is to go bomb the eternally crazy dictators who will just be replaced with time?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how many acts of inhumanity are taking place in your borders at this instant?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'accumulatively do they add up to the same amount as you see portrayed on the news?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'did Necroshine vote in today's Canadian federal election'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'damn rights'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'voted for conservatives last time around and got nothing good from it, so i voted ndp this time'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the NDP deserve a chance'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i agree, even if they lose the main seat they're in second place in parliament, so there's maybe some better haper monitoring going on'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'but many perceive the NDP as likely to bankrupt the country, that the NDP is fiscally irresponsible'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the ndp was the only government to make a crown-owned oil corporation, maybe they may rebuild that to pay off some of their irresponsible debts'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'at least i don't see any NDP members breaking the law and getting paid leave for 3 years while spending 3 million dollars of government money on luxury'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or cutting taxes on people who should be taxed heavier (bankrupters, dear oil corps)'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'liberals, or conservatives getting high on cocaine while intoxicated on alcohol and doing 100 mph through a school zone, alberta tori's'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the change seems like a step into the unforseeable, i hope they win so i can see their action'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'in the liberal or conservative framework, the middle-class pays the bulk of all taxes, small business owners don't get corporate tax cuts, while the corporations the canadian military (fronted by the tax payer) patrols receive tax cuts'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's my opinion that liberals and conservatives both work together to keep the same framework in place, making the richer richer and the poorer nonexistant'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'one pushes for a more militant economy (conservative) one pushes for more reliance on foreign troops (liberal)'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'bringing canada into debt seems to be their speculation that the oil everybody craves won't be produced because the large corporations which are foreignly owned and peddled through wall street, will be paying more royalties and taxes on their products, which would more than cap a 70 billion dollar spending bill'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so, there's no inherent debt around that i see :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'seems to be a liberal or conservative government who brought canada's dollar below the value of the american dollar in the first place, how is relying on those two frameworks a proven method for not being in debt?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'canada needs an arsenal of fighter jets, helicopters, submarines, warships, aircraft carriers, satellites and there's resources aplenty here for those things, people who know them from the inside out, and plenty of job opportunities for creating them and keeping them in shape'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'canada needs leading edge information warfare technology, there's a million capable coders within the country would can provide that - it's all about centralizing development instead of relying on foreign investors who have all of their equipment rigged in some way or another to be inferior to their more loyal employer'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lots of things can be done if you develop the systems for it'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'are you sure, there is a rumor that Canada farms out a lot of computer research jobs to India -- those so-called Canadian "capable coders" may be foreign'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah, i seen alot of unemployed master coders in canada, that's a result of corporate money-making schemes from wall-street investors watching their shares rise'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'when i phone Bell TV toupdate account information, i get a long-distance lag on the phoneline'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i could learn how to program whatever i like, and there's are plenty of canadians who can build those microchips from the inside out and outside in, reasoning is there's more money for the stockholder to be had through outsourcing all employment to a place where they charge less for it'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i usually got the same with dell tech support, maybe twice i talked to somebody from texas'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'viterra grain (stock market shit) leased out all of its inventory and cataloguing jobs to india'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'all of it to please the stockholders greedy wallets'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i like when government sees that as a threat to national security'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'to "build those microchips from the inside out and outside" requires insider information, a lot of expertise, and intelligence '
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's people in the university of alberta for instance, who developed self-assembling microchips using dna theory, wire's wiring themselves'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if they can do that, they can develop the machines that produce the microchips that they calculated how from'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"developed self-assembling microchips using dna theory, wire's wiring themselves" <-- which scifi program/book was that from'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'sciencedaily.com'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'is that the "science" version of TheOnion.com'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'point is that anything technological we are indebt for buying from another nation can be produced at home, from the raw ore to the finished products'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i see trading un-neccessary resources like technology to be a threat to national security and individual sovereignty, they're all built through knowledge with resources exported from here in another place, while that knowledge could produce those things here and no holes then exist'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'take for instance instruments of warfare - produced somewhere else and though you have a manual showing what to look for to make sure they aren't set to fail, that manual doesn't take into account every single stage of production or else you wouldn't have to import them anymore would you?  there is a hole in security'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't see anything wrong with living in a secure nation'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'a secure nation breeds paranoia and coverups'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'world insecurity is caused by bad religions and bad despots'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'not neccessarily, consider it as open source software, you have strangers among you, those close to the manufacturing process less strange than most, those developing the next wing of defense alot less strange than most, and those who materialize the formula's the least strange of all - as far as i'm concerned if a company doesn't share its blueprints from top to bottom on a product that a nation relies on, that company has something to hide that is volatile'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if they claim intellectual property instead of labour rights on the machines they produce, then that intellectual property itself should be questioned, since if they can build it, why can't i?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'you are incoherently excess misusing "strange"'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'not as i meant to, i was contrasting the trustworthiness of a person relative to the nation they live to protect'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'nobody's a robot'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"alot less strange than most" is gibberish'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'everybody uses the abstract systems of mathematics some time in their life (or the majority of people), the whole mathematics system can be considered intellectual property of soembody, if you number a certain amount of things and components in a formula, is it less abstract than that which was used to number it only because it includes details available to all?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"software patents" are a crime against humanity'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'in part, they also pave the way or in tandem pave the way with patents on biological matter, synthetic versions of that matter (implicitly owning their origins), discoveries of pre-existing formulae that the discoverer claims is then their intellectual property, delving into all aspects of science - real science is different from a fictional novel, and this is a machine with abstract interface's to it alot lke mathematics'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'from the viewpoint of god, "mathematics" is not "intellectual property" to be divied up among somebodies'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am glad someone speaks for god. Though I'd rather he/she/it spoke for him/her/itself :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a corollary of this is that "software patents" are a crime against god'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos runs away from Xyliz in utter terror and horror!
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'added into this viewpoint of god is that perhaps god does not exist'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos rolls on the floor laughing at Xyliz's antics!
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? [John 10:34]'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'contextual'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'he was probably asking the visiting aliens that...'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I daresay that in that epoch, someone landing from the stars would seem like a god. Not to say that it wouldn't seem that way now.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there is one concordant alien context i recall where 'God does his strange alien thing on the mount', the rest seems to refer to foreign people'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'ie, you're from ethiopea, i'm from syria'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or you're from kentucky, i'm from alabamma'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'do not say you are from syria if you are not from syria'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I consider people from Alabama and Kentucky foreigners :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fastfinge: 'So do I. I'm a Canadian.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i never said i was from syria, ie is exemplar, the bible story focuses largely around the africa's and middle-eastern nations'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, since it was the known world at the time, it seems reasonable.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'that "seems reasonable" indicates that the bible is fiction'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'nonfiction implies that somethings are absolute'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'nonfiction does not infer that -- to infer that requires proof'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's supporting stories for floods, giants, (giant dinosaurs?), crocodile gods (dinosaurs?), and the like found throughout old texts - whether or not they were all written by people trying to globally amalgamate a fabricated truth for the bible story is a matter of opinion or misinformation, though alot of these texts and relics may have existed before the israeli and christian texts flooded the land with their various vicars'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'is it almost a certainly that the flood occurs. Research into the existence of Noah show marked evidence of the event.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'supporting fictions are yet of fictions'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the flood did occur, that is.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Anaristos, if you support the story of the Noah flood, you discredit yourself'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that the story of noah may not be all-inclusive is just maybe a part of that known world phenomenon anaristos is talking about, that there's degrees of truth evident in parts of the bible story can be seen through research, but that it encompasses the entire world story is quite obviously false'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'underneath of where i sit approximately 1200 feet is located skeletons of fish, big fish as you'd find in the ocean, that can be taken as an indication to support the theory of a worldwide flood or nearto'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the story of Noah as depicted in the bible is fiction. But there is evidence that Noah did exist and that there was an abnormal water rise during his lifetime.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"Research into the existence and logistics of the Noah story show no credible evidence of the Noah flood event"'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not as depicted in the Bible, no. But there was a flood.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it can be seen to be false or true, as there are survivors in norse legend, survivors in aztec legend and maybe other arcane religions out there have their own recounts of survivors, i believe hinduism even has a scripture or two depicting a great flood, though that is in the same neck of the woods of that perceived biblical world'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it didn't rain for 40 days and 40 nights, but it did rain enough to upset the waterline across the Middle East.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the bible Noah flood was plagiarised and or copied from earlier pagan stories'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the Bible exaggerated the numbers for the greater glory.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'translation: the Noah flood is fiction'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that is true, Xyliz. That doesn't invalidate Noah's existence.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a small flood is not a Noah flood'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'floods are normal occurrences in alluvial plains. The Nile, for instance, floods every year. It is the reason Egypt is not a complete desert.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'so the Jews were blatant liars where the Noah flood story is concerned'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'do you know what book thats from even?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the Sahara gets a tropical amount of rainfall just like, say, the Amazon.  It's just that most of it evaporates before it hits the ground.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'd be interested to know when eskimo's first arrived in greenland and those northern reaches'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'chances are the rain would be snow if it plummetted down on them, unless somehow ice comets melted through the atmosphere and turned into pellets of ice or something strange like that, maybe they were settled down up there thousands of years ago, who knows?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'quit giving them the satisfaction'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, At the time of the migrations to the western hemisphere, Alaska was joined to Siberia. You could just walk across.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'mischan'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that's not likely to be determinable, Necro.  Every major ethnic tree has wandered through the eskimo lands on their way to wherever they settled.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is likely that the inuit and lapp were migrators which decided to stop there rather than continue on.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'not all of them at the same time or even at the same speeds, so there was likely to be lots of mixing.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Wow! Griffi sure must want to get to her igloo! Look at that dog sled go!
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'hehe, that could be oh so wrong...'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'life as an eskimo must have been hard as hell, can you imagine no health care except what your people could provide, living in igloo's with no firewood and relying on hunting those seals or whatever they are/battling polar bears with spears made of bone'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Griffi proclaims that we must filter the Gene Pool!
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they did have those old arctic bison though, they went extinct in the last couple centuries'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that'd probably be one of the most hardy people earth ever seen'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'while all that is true, if the things you mentioned were a necessary condition for survival, none of us would be here now.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are too urbanized, Necro :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Griffi: 'hehe'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'of course things wouldn't have been as convenient as they are today, there's still some diehards out there but there's definitely not as many - just saying that while some people were busy making wars with one another, others were trying to survive'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the eskimos and their allied ethnic groups were THAT peaceful :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i imagine there were some tribal conflicts, as is the case in any societies, but i think they'd find finding other people to be more of a blessing than a curse, as is typically the case with modern explorers - consider the tale of captain cook and new zealand for instance'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'kinda hard to avenge the dishonor of your women when they're jumping nekkid into bed with strangers.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'finding other women maybe, i don't know about finding other men :P'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you have a narrow definition of honor, Dokkar :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Queen Isabella and the inquistion were worse mass murderers than Adolf and the Nazis'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, those 2 episodes do not comprise the entire history of genocides. Genocide is a rather common occurance in human history.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'citation needed'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '(not anaristos)'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz was watching a TVO documentary "When the Moors ruled in Europe" part2 of 2
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'what the dirtbag spaniards did in the south americas is another story'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, almost as bad as what the dirtbag British did in India :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and the dirtbag (x) did when they conquered (y)'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'at least the British left India in a civilised state'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that seems to be the right formula :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, so now the Americas aren't civilized?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I will admit that tea is not as popular in the Americas as it is in India. So you might have a point.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'unless you want to call drug cartels "civilised"'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are the perfect bigot, Xyliz. You never miss a chance when you get one :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Xyliz, I realize that wikipedia isn't the last word in scholarship, but an unusually detailed article there about the Inquisition sets the death toll from the Inquisition rather lower than the death toll from the Nazis. Not even remotely close, in fact. Several thousand compared to 10s of millions.''
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz verbally attacks all forms of corruption
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, there are drug cartels in places which are in the Americas and weren't controlled by the Spaniards, but rather by the French and British. So obviously who the previous masters were has no bearing.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Rhavage, except the torture by the spaniard Inquisition was far far worse than what the Nazis did'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amirra: 'says who?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amirra: 'other than you?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and there are drug cartels in Britain and the rest of Europe.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Really? We're going to parse torture?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, drug cartels are not a south american thing, Xyliz. It's an international thing. The US cultivates drug lords in the Golden Triangle which is 1000s of miles from the Americas, for instance.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the Pharmaceutical industry in the first world is a drug cartel ?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'actually, yes.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'both of them were horrible, horrible things and very nasty times in human history'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and wtf is the First World? How many worlds are there? Has the Earth split up into analogs?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and without cowardly populations they wouldn't have gotten very far'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'soldiers don't shoot themselves for nothing, and they do that sometimes you know'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'milgram experiments showed that most people will go along with it, the human race is 'cowardly' in general.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'at least that's what i read, suicide rates'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'cowardly is a very strong word, rather humans are pack animals, and as such, they follow the leader.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'NDP is in second position, Liberals dropped to third'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(der wannabe Fuhrer) Harper apparently obtained a majority (167), NDP forms the official opposition (103), Liberals are buh-bye (33), Block Quebecois are nearly extinct (4)'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Conservative wannabe republican bootlickers (166), NDP (105), Liberals (34), Block Quebecois (2), Green Party (1), total (308)'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'at least they got some opposition'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe the ndp will reveal to the public their perceptions of conservative motivation's and hidden plots so that they can understand what's going down, liberal was the opposition beforehand'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the question no one seems to ever want to answer is how those people ever get elected. It seems everywhere one goes the consensus is that that type shouldn't be in power, but somehow they always manage to be. Something is not quite right with the picture.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's too bad though, i see them running this country into a grave that can't be exhumed by other than a warlock or necromancer, but who's superstitious today?'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm also a pessimist, but new world order yeah, follow the leader'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'winning!!'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I stopped being superstitious today. I refused to throw salt over my shoulder.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Conservative obtained a majority of 54% with only 40% of the vote (?)'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'wall street's cheering tonigiht'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'obviously there were incumbent consevatives, Xyliz. The percentage refers to the overall total increase.'
T3/r3/2011-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they got their man in there, the stocks will remain booming'
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so according to one dead sea scrolls account satan invented flesh and imprisoned his fallen angels within its various formations, who is an original soul here?  perhaps we're spiritual creatures having an human experience, are you possessed or merely speaking of yourself?'
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i can think of things like this and not commit to them as absolute, though i've arrived at fellow conclusions several times on my own'
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'mostly through observation of reality with cause and effect gathered and ruled out'
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz is the real thing
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'somethings are beyond human invention yet manifest'
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'aliens?  i've been on dreams through spaceships and things that weren't witnessed in any movies, it's not to say they exist, only it seems freud's fingerprinted dream theories aren't at all accurate and all encompassing'
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'blind man playing scrabble with gypsies'
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'which words are you printing now ?'
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'h- 5'
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sepulchure goes, "Heh."
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Reuters poll says half of americans are weird'
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '..Bin Laden hit significantly changed their view of Obama (39% more positive, 10% more negative)'
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'and where did Reuters take this poll'
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'it was probably the usual 1000 more or less representative sample (tm)'
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'so the total percentages were adjusted to 149%'
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'says 1,010 adults in the United States interviewed online'
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'In the poll, 39 percent of Americans said their image of Obama's leadership had improved, while 52 percent said it had not changed and 10 percent said it had worsened.'
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that should add up to 100, given some rounding trickery'
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'so the interviews were taken "online" from the internet pool of internet addicts aka internet losers'
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'people like us, you mean? :) clearly unreliable then'
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'yep, the opinions of those losers are sure to carry some type of weight'
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'those 10% are either republicans or terrorists'
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'They certainly don't like the president. I don't see much reason to change view though.'
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'that OBL hit smells of a coverup and falsification'
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'wow, that sounds positively republican of you.'
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'there are some parts of the story that are strange'
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the evidence was either not released and or destroyed'
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'but then if I were in charge of the operation, I don't think I would want to release much information'
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'GWBush lied about th WMDs, BO lied about the exact details of how OBL actually died'
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I think we need more acronyms.'
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'The decay of modern society is probably about not having enough acronyms...'
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'typical of outsiders, always thinking they 'know' what really happened on the inside.'
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'uncertain as to why precise details are necessary -- not really into ghoulish photos of dead people.'
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If you want to assess the president's performance, it would be better to look at his policies and what he has done about his campaign promises'
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Tinada, you were not in charge of the operation (else the USA is in deep doodoo when officials are wasting attention playing mud games)'
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada tickles Xyliz.
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Why do you think it took 15 years to catch him?'
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly.
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also, I hear Mr. Obama plays golf, so I'm sure muds are ok too'
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'even government officials have such things as breaks and off-duty time :P'
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Uh-oh. Tinada is pointing at Dispel Majic, screaming, "LIES!" once again.
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Strange? Why is Dispel Majic running in a circle, flapping her arms and quacking.
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the likely stoty was that OBL was already dead, and the USA was permitted to fake a hit on the dead body of OBL (as prearranged by the Bush and Bin Laden families and the WhiteHouse)'
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Buffy Anne: 'anyone know if china is on holiday today?'
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Buffy Anne: 'banking wise'
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Today being May 3rd?'
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Buffy Anne: 'no, may 4th for them'
T3/r3/2011-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remember November: 'Thought so, wanted to clear that up'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Dr Oz was featuring 16 year old mothers yesterday -- what some do for publicity'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the conservative candidate in the riding won with 60% of the local vote -- was his good looks - the other candidates were females and not as handsome'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so how are you americans feeling about New York choosing a crap Japanese car as the new NY taxi?'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'pretty sure they are made in america, just owned by a                   japanese company'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're made in mexico and turkey, and owned by japan'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'oooh, spontanese tab, that's exciting'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Which car did they select?'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nissan'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sure why that was the cheapest and most fuel economic - Ford have both a sedan and a people carrier that do 50% more mpg'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'GM clearly didn't want the contract'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Living in upstate, anything that saves NYC money is good with me, as cash seems always to flow from up here to down there :P'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'definitely some crap going on there, they could've picked much better'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the new mondeo does 65mpg, and the new galaxy does 54'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'admittedly, both cost more'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'With the aid of nanotech materials, scientists have engineered a new way to convert the sun's heat into electricity that is roughly eight times more efficient than previously reported solar thermoelectric devices. '
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and couldn't they have picked something manufactured in the states?'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'curious columnist at Reuters says killing Bin Laden was justified, essentially because of a cost/benefit pov'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'there's no benefit to killing the mascot if the opposing team is still bearing down on you and able to do damage.'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'my generalizations come from contexts and aspect ratio's, in order to consider something from a perceived angle some personification of your ideology thereof is neccessary'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'sometimes paradoxical, sometimes lexical, sometimes angled authoritatively, sometimes opinionated, and yeah, mostly opiniated'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'perhaps you believe that you know what you mean and that you said what you meant, but the inexperienced verbal expression may not agree to convey what you believe you attempted to say'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's clear to me, maybe we speak different abstract language'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a practiced skill to convey concepts coherently and consistently without ambiguity'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'take decades of practice .. perhaps years of debating on irc'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i failed english twice because i didn't put any effort into it'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'actually 4 times'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i aced math though'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'can read english fine'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'reading comprehending expressing communicating are often in similar context yet are mayhaps also different'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i never planned on being the next shakespeare wannabe'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm fairly certain if i wanted to, i could write a legitimate draft of any subject i wanted though'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'two wanteds'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's the understanding that matters, decoration's for girls'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'not if you are not in practice'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'if you are unable to understand how to communicate, perhaps you do not understand what you (mis)believe you understood'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'this words can be written in italyc texts from 8000 years ago and mean a mixtre of opposites of what you read'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'understanding through abstract language takes faith in itself (mis)'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the status quo on what formulates a speech is a dialogue with the infirmary of common knowledge'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'we're just playing though'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'those uder LSD believe they "understood" something while their minds were shortcircuited -- but in the drugfree state they are unable to communicate the insights they say they saw while hallucinating.'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if the man who formulated the lsd extract into focal quantities ever ate wheat, chances are he may have been demented himself at some point'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'chew on that with your shreddies'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'LDS hallucinations are similar to the dream state -- in dreams some are able to solve difficulties by flying -- then they wake up and realise that humans are unable to levitate -- so much for the flying as a solution'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and though i've experienced lsd a few times, and even magic mushrooms and some crack in my experimental days, with a side order of PCP laced marijuana here and there - it didn't hinder me any more than the ritalin capsules my principal's psychiatrist handed me due to being a class clown'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so don't go on some tangent of hallucinogenics and narcotics with me, cause it'll arrive you at that (mis) again'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'lsd is a memory-erase'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and with the experience, i learned something you may never have understood'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'no, alzheimers and dementia are a memory erase'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'lsd leaves the human is a functioning state -- those old-age diseases cause structural physical damage - not the same'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'alzheimers is a physical disease'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'opiates and cocaine shut down area's of the mind, lsd, marijuana and mushrooms seem to expand or stimulate lesser used area's of the brain, according to scientific research'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'strangely enough they only used lsd extensively in now-illegal lab testing on people in insane asylums, not all of whom were insane'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'autopsies of alzheimer victim indicate observable physical damage'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'mind/matter is my inclination'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos thinks about LSD :)
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'alzheimers may be due to a genetic deficiency and to bad diet'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's lots of theoretical causes'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the Dr Oz show discussed research that indicates i may be immune to alzheimers '
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'only time will tell, but maybe they're correct'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'most people don't live long enough to succumb to those illness, i think'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, yes, that great authority Dr. Oz. Physician to the stars...'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'the only link i've heard of with alzheimers is too much aluminum deposits in the brain, but that is also theory.'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Anaristos - you are playing aardwolf -- perspective!'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'aluminum is a synthetic metal'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the DR Oz show saves lives'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Aluminium is an element'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe that in itself is part of why our bodies are less able to cope with the synthetic mineral deposite'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'what does it matter eiter way?'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i thought it was an alloy'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i seen a documentary on them makin it in montreal once, and recall that it is a synthetic metal'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Well, some of the stuff Oz points out is plain common sense, if people acted with common sense they would put their lives at less risk.'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'its just so reactive you don't find it in nature in its elemental form'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a lot of that previous "plain common sense" was plain wrong in regard to diets'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'back in the day , pepsi used to come in melted sand jar's, now it comes in alluminum cans - lots of pop drinkers out there'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you know, theoretically i or they may be onto something, they do warn against using aluminum cookware'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'agreed necroshine'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'the teflon coating is bad i think '
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'on nostick pans'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'food cooked in aluminium cookware causes stomach pains and weariness in some humans'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and plastic can be formulated into several synthetic things, plastic storage containers and things can inherently have any amount of proximate accumulative deadly side affects through its propagation'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'scorched teflon is bad'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they even make some elements of chemicals out of plastics'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'with what they're putting in food the cookware hardly matters'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'plastics are long chain molecules, not elements'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's memories from science articles i read'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'too much iron is bad too, but none is prob worse'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'hell, you can overdose on water.  everything needs to be moderated'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yea you can die from drink too much water'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'tsk, ludicrous arguments on moderation'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can't overdose on water since it is chemically neutral, you can, however, over-hydrate yourself.'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i have a trace minerals supplement pretty sure has every kind of metal in it'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'you can die from water... ill be more specific next time'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'well minus the radioactive onese prob'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'no, the heavy metals are also bad, m'kay'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Modi moshes insanely around the room!
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'yeah, "Deadliest Warrior" indicates victims are able to die from rocks, iron, wood -- irrelevant to a normal diet though'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, theoretically, anything can kill you :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Too much air can kill you as easily as not enough.'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it can be argued, probably successfully, that any imbalance in the ecosystem is fatal.'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'To some parts of the ecosystem, yes.'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'However, given that life is built on inbalance, it will likely find a new equilibrium.'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"any imbalance" is similar to a superlative '
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon pats Xyliz on her head.
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'It's so cute that you think you're contributing.'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos looks at Dread Lord Morinon and goes "Heh."
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"inbalance" is a different concept to "imbalance"'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'as long as one of me weighs 100,000,000 of you, things are in perfect order'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon pats Xyliz on her head.
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'when life is healthy and in balance, there is less likelihood of imbalance unbalancing that balance (... "inbalance" is not in the dictionary yet)'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's because "inbalance" is a mis-spelled word. Orthography requires an m before a b or a p, simply because that is how it is pronounced...'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'from years of resolving paradoxes, Xyliz is no long able to experience "paradoxes" -- there are no more paradoxes - merely nonsensical statements attempting to be paradoxes'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there is nothing new under the sun - a true ecclesiastian'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'there is plenty new under the sun -- there is Xyliz'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the word "new" is meaningless out of context.'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Xyliz, you are not new in any way that means 'original'.'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'nu is the god of ra whos it he god of gods who's the soul of shu, who's the breath of tefnut'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'new nu propaganda'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Necroshine, I think you mean 'nut', the goddess of night.'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'except that egyptian goblededook did not prevent the collapse of the egyptian empire'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'll eat a cracker to that'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'ptah may disagree'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Xyliz, neither will you prevent any modern empire's fall.'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'power failure in the area, nust leave before the usp runs out.'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'later xy'
T3/r3/2011-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'ups'
T3/r3/2011-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Huh. In a new CNN poll, 61% of respondents believe that bin laden is in hell. I'm not half as surprised that 61% believe that hell was his destination. I'm surprised that 61% believe in hell at all.'
T3/r3/2011-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: '"Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department, shockingly told The Alex Jones Show yesterday that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job."  '
T3/r3/2011-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/apr2010/perm-a19.shtml'
T3/r3/2011-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: '"Pieczenik cannot be dismissed as a "conspiracy theorist". He served as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations, Nixon, Ford and Carter, while also working under Reagan and Bush senior, and still works as a consultant for the Department of Defense. A former US Navy Captain, Pieczenik achieved two prestigious Harry C. Solomon Awards at the Harvard Medical School as he simultaneously completed a PhD at MIT."'
T3/r3/2011-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'comex really is out to crash silver'
T3/r3/2011-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'we live in interesting times'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'was prohibition the precursor to patented biological matter such as roundup ready canola?  at least my barley isn't thought theirs yet'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i mean, how do you say that a flower or a tree or a funky smelling weed is illegal'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if it makes you dizzy it is a crime'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so does a can of varsol'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'create the impression of a public nuisance'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't think prohibition should exist on any natural product of the world'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): RagingFury is agreeing with that .Faust Necroshine person again...
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'if more people flipped out and killed themselves while on these extracts, well then we'd have less people to worry about'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): RagingFury looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if you don't want a stinky plant grown in your community, well sure citizens and community vote, but if you ever went outside of your city and took a whiff of the septic tank that's hidden from your plumbing eyes, you'll see that a stinky plant really is aromatic in comparison'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'going into things like modified by chemistry extracts of these natural plants on the other hand, there i don't battle the idea of prohibition as much'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'are you high right now necro?'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'no'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'jw'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'just saying, i wouldn't mind having a joint now and then when im stressed out, maybe even with a beer'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'without it being illegal'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'so break the law'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'ridiculous law anyway'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'just remember all your cocaine money goes to chase and jp morgan and bank of america and warren buffet'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i read a study they got on that nihilist health science research website .gov, where they conducted autopsy on fatal car accidents over a period of a year in order to determine what percentage is just stupid, what percentage is drunk, what percentage is high on opiates or cocaine, and what percentage is just stoned on cannabis - and they found that less than 7% of all fatal accidents had any trace of cannabis in the driver at faults body - whereas 33% had alcohol, and the rest involved those other drugs or plain stupidity'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'in france'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'people don't listen to reason :('
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so that arguement of slowed down reaction time and less aware than slugging back a 40 doesn't mean much to me, as statistics prove it wrong'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'nope'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'they don't like it, and can't tax it, so they make it illegal'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'despite the fact that legalising it, regulating and taxing it's supply would save the country billions of dollars a year'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'imagine all them people in jail right now for marijuana'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'you don't get put in jail here unless you're supplying'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's not free to keep them alive in there, and really they probably go in better people than they leave as'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'really you shouldn't be jailing anybody unless they're a threat'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'killing them over mundane things isn't a reasonable option either, to save the tax dollars shit'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'on any crime'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah, i read the netherlands is more focused on targetting suppliers than users in its drug policy'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but they aim mostly for those supplying heroine and crack'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'though there should be some form of work-based prison for absent parents who don't pay for their kids'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Do you think 7% of the population is high right now at this very instant?'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'If not, then 7% of fatal accident victims having marijuana in their system means that there IS a positive correlation between marijuana use and getting yourself into a fatal accident.'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '(Or rather, 7% of the population that's driving at this very instant, I should say)'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'you need to do a base-line study of sampling motorists not in an accident to prove that, leinei'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i have no idea, but in any given population alot of them from every social class claim to have at some time smoked marijuana, driven intoxicated or done some other stuff'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's not like it's a rare thing'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Yes, but if 7% of people driving at any given time aren't high on marijuana, then there is a positive correlation.'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'they wouldn't have to be high, dead motorists aren't high, they just had it in their blood'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah , and cannabis remains in a body for over 7 months in some people'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'it's reliably traceable for up to a fortnight'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'even though the active ingredient has a half life of a couple of hours'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: '(pyshoactive ingredient isn't the chemical that they trace)'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'tehre's several active ingredients in cannabis, it's why some people who take those pure delta 9 thc synthetic pills claim that they get sick from them, but not from smokign a reefer'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'those other cannabinoids balance one another out in the plant'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'you expect that in a herbal remedy'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Shrugs, I still think 7% of the driving population doesn't have cannabis in their system at any given time.'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'a study claimed that 20% of adults are regular users'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'how many adults drive? 50%? 75?'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Which study was that?'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'looks suspiciously then that it's either no correlation, or possibly a negative one'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'some poll conducted by one of the UK pollster companies some months ago'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '"By 1994, 4 to 5 percent of the general population and 15 to 20 percent of high school seniors had used marijuana at least once a  month in the preceding year"'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Is the first numbers I find'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Just by a quick google search'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'that's quite an old survey'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'just don't smoke crack'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'anyways, gotta run'
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir starts rolling one.
T3/r3/2011-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir . o O ( hey, i don't drive )
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'anybody else wonder about things such as geology (being uneducated as i am, i wonder about some things), involving potash, oil, (hollow mountains under the sea that may be tapped resulting in vortexes of water similar to that of lake poigneur, but on much grander scales, exploratory drillers), how a desert doesn't have potash underneath of it, yet oil may be present in some circumstances such as tar pits in iraq'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PastamanT: 'nah.'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how exactly, or speculatively, could these layers of the inner earth co-operate to keep the structural integrity of the land and resources we walk on and use?'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PastamanT: 'does anyone actually do debate here (congressional, policy, LD, public forum, etc.)'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Assuming oil is produced via fossilized plantlife, potash comes from more recent plantlife.'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'we mostly argue on this channel, lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'Necroshine so you are saying you don't like  British Petroleum?'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Grexo )
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PastamanT: 'well, not just on this chan, but does anyone in aard actually debate?'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'You mean formal debate?'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'i own investments in gulf off shore drilling firms'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'where there's oil, there's methane, and that creates pressure, which is used to hoist a car for a mechanic for instance, only here we're dealing in un-known quantities of rock and soil under which the oil flows'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'necro does'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'the gulf has a lot of rigs that need to be drilled'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I mostly have informal debates, and the occasional argument.'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'ever notice that no matter how many trenches and man-made rivers man make's, when nature calls the old courses take precedence?'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'BP sucked on safety standards'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'they had every right to drill but they did crappy work '
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Of interesting note is the new courses nature makes.'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'the problem was the back flow preventer'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'BP cared more about the cheapest way to drill than the integrity of the work'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they say that hot air rises, and they say that the core of the earth is hot, people who work in potash mines claim that they are rather warm and moist, and potash is excavated for the purpose of fertilizing crops - so with this in mind, and oil located under potash - is there a natural cycle of vegetation-soil fertilization that keeps a land from turning into a desert, and from collapsing in on itself?'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's just open speculation and questions i have, i did a little research and noticed some of the points to be true, other is speculation and possible consequences'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'why dont we debate which is the nicest island in the caribbean to live in'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'ill start:  I like cayman islands so far'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'fact is that oil is a limited resource, potash is proven to disrupt ecosystems when used to fertilize large crops on grand scales (from algae overpopulation etc, into the water sources), as is coal and nuclear energy in its fuel procuration itself leaves heaps upon heaps of radioactive excess that is not stored but left to stagnate on the ground the uranium was take from, this all gets carried by the wind and has some of it, very long half-lifes and carries unforseen (or forseen by some) waves of centuries of nature's corruption with it'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and not enough effort is put into replacing it, by the grand jury, they show absolutely no responsibility in their treatment of this world and the unknowns it holds'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'i need oil, the areas where oil is found though is all actively developed and all mining rights sold'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'there isnt much natural resources to own cause if people know theres something valuable on those lands they arent gonna give em up'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'people own em already'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'from my perspective how can i acquire revenue producing land'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'on my own'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and the stock market in afghanistan can make cotton a worthless crop for their farmers, prodding them to grow opium lest their family starves'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they have to produce something for the local tariff, cotton doesn't pay itself off'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'remember the deep south'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'the cotton gin'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if they can control that aspect of the stock market, they can devalue oil to the point where people don't run for it as quickly'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'in the 21st century the internet gold rush came'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'then the markets collapsed'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'and im still struggling to even afford that cayman island land'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'donald trump said he'd only go to war over there if there were oil to be had, so you see, oil not only affects the destruction of nature, it affects the destruction of societies too'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's rediculous and there's countless alternatives and solutions available, that would last longer'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'verybody dies sooner or later, doesn't mean your selfishness over-rules everybody's existance forever by your destruction of their world'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'trump has good opinions but on oil, as long as i profit from it, we can drill as long as its done in a responsible manner'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'im not anti oil'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'people who make money from it aren't '
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'as said in the 2008 presidential debate :  Drill, baby, drill'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'and i agree'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'drill baby drill'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'Best person of the year 2011 = ?'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'Donald Trump vs Mitt Romney for 2012?'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'how about Ron Paul vs Gary Johnson? :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'debat'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'Ron Paul vs Newt Gingrich'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'i dunno who will be the gOP frontrunner yet'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'we will see'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'not that it matters, whoever wins wont help me'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'oh democrats in power hurt me but gop never help me :P'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'thats how it works '
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'ill go for the republicans and the tea party'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'but even if the tea party won it wouldnt help mee that much'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what if people're dumb animals no matter how smart they think they are and death moves them around with candy promises in order to fulfill their eradication, do you believe in intelligent design of a spiritual nature?'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'on that note im closing the debate channel'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'unless people want to debate stuff like which is the best caribbean island :) '
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'wouldn't be satan, as he wants to be worshipped in their indoctrination of his manifestation, abaddon is a face in the deep who rules the dead zone, death a multilingual architect of destruction'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'Who do you like better, me or Necroshine '
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'don't do the satan thing with me, on that note debate channel is closed, '
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i remain agnostic, because most people i see conducting suicidal practices appear to value their hide's too much'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'trump is a terrible business man, he should not be allowed to bankrupt americal'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: '<---- late'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'money corrupts all people'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'wisdom is tossed aside when money arrives'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'here's a fix, there's no money in a fix'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'New Debate:  Trump Vs Romney:  Vote now :  1 for Trump, 2 for Romney'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'neither'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'assume it is just these too candidates'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'these two'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'none of the above then.'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if it was just those two, I would run.'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: '3 for Barack Obama, 4 for Ron Paul'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: '1 for Trump, 2 for Mitt Romney, 3 for Barack Obama, #4 for Ron Paul, #5 for write in candidate with name :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'alalala'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'yawn'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Grexo, you might have picked a better time than the hour dbl'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'dbl?'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'type double, you'll see'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'still none of the above, because none of them are socialist enough for me.'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'what I remember about Romney from 2008 was mostly a guy who appeared to have "whatever the latest focus group liked" for a moral compass'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'didnt know that :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Now you do ;)'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'how many times udo u get double exp? :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'every million mobs there's an hour of it.'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'in favour of Trump, he has experience with severe economic problems and bankruptcy, that should be relevant for the next president'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'thanks tinada'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Yes for universal basic healthcare, yes for minimim wage increase of $1 per year for 4 years, yes for reduced drug benefit for old people, etc etc.'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'if I could pick one of those 4, though, I'd go with Ron Paul'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'He'd be assassinated before you could say closethefed though, so better pick vp carefully..'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'Boxers or briefs'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'commando'
T3/r3/2011-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'rambo'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Donald Trump is indicating senility already '
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'his hair is senile'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'even McCain looks mentally healthier than Donald Trump'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'they both look funny'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'being nuts is only human, it's when they pretend to be perfect that suspicion sets in'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and this is a metaphysical nut to consider'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'leave my nuts alone'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they belong to a Tiger'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'The Stephen Colbert report torpedoed Donald Trump with a (parodied?) quote from Donald Trump that indicated verbal senility (not merely senility in the eyes)'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'Driving a Tiger Tank http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY_5c0mBXok'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm tanking atm'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'in the SNL parody of the 2012 republican noncandidates 2012 debate, "Donald Trump" was not that funny - the actor subbing Donald sucked'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Tina Fey did a few Sarah Palin snippets -- Tina Fey 2012 ?!'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i bet that thing would pull one hell of a cultivator'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and keep them monsanto lawyers off my crops, hahahaha'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'oh, fuck monsanto :P'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'whenever there are failed enchants on tedious-to-obtain-items, those muds where enchants are 100% everytime momentarly are fondly remembered, until the other worse crap they do is not so fondly disdained -- why do muds insist on being unpleasant.  Discuss.'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'rpg type games start out by digging a hole resembling late 1970s d&d and jumping into it'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mmm, d&d shaped holes....'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the game then has to dig its way out by gradually replacing silliness with fun features and playability'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'degrees of failure and success and some unknown elements are neccessary to keep a game interesting along with puzzles to solve and strategy - i've played mud's where it takes a week to stat a decent character of maybe 6 hours a day, a month to level it up, every item worn is lost if killed by another player and it costs money to store stuff - i don't have as much trouble with game mechanics themselves as much as i do with crooked imms on the game's'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i've never played an online game that didn't have a crooked dealer involved in it'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'this one here's controversially favouritable to some people, i don't mind if it's a variety of players segregating a singular entity, so long as the imms don't get involved in messin around with the outcast'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'obyron i think was an imm here who done that to me'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'One good reason to add an enchanting system where the cost is in obtaining ingredients for the enchant spell is that it would make gameload gear more attractive'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'my old mud was very difficult, rediculously difficult sometimes, even without the imms messin around, but since i knew they were messin with me i quit it'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and raided gear'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and now you've come to one that's way too easy'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'muds with rentals, with decent equipment that decays, with pklooting, with permadeath, are avoided like a bad plague'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Mostly it's about all those ancient design features that favour people who are always online playing'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there are a lot of things that high school/college students who play 20 hours a day think are fun that people who have real jobs don't :P'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and some of us happen to like d&d'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(and d&d shaped holes)'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'this mud's far from easy if you don't have scripts to play it for ou'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Some people find games like that very attractive, but the vast majority don't (see WoW: How to get 12m subscribers by making everything easy)'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really?'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's time consuming and takes alot of determination to compete at all'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are there any mobs that you have difficulty in killing?'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'muds that force players to relog their characters frequently to avoid autodelete are tediously annoying -- sometimes a mudplayer like to take a few months off from mudplaying'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada points excitedly at Asvarien, Lord of the Chosen!
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and there is some strategy involved if you can outrun their scripts that automatically tell them when a hostile is in an area'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i've always been against the where function'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'in my old mud where would show you people on your side, here it would be your clan maybe, i posted an idea regarding that once, toggleable visibility through the function'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it would take one less automated strategy denial from the game'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'where makes polite charging easier'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'without the "where" function, a mud becomes annoying -- not everybody is able to collect welfare and play a mud 24/7 -- those that work do not want to be *forced* to play to preserve and maintain their mud-characters, their mud-skills, and to know "where" everthing is'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it'd be trivial to code'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm not saying absence of where altogether, only toggleable visibility, to clan, to clan and unclanned, to clan and allies, friendlies, neutrals, or to all'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'not in clan mazes though, maybe it is overridden there, i'm thinking general hunting grounds'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i've been to masquerade island and observed somebody's script kick in takign them to safety automatically'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how fun is that'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'what i like about Chess is that a chessplayer may go away for a few years, and upon returning, everything chess is more or less the same, and all the prior thousands of hours of chess-training is yet valid, (even if there are a few openinggame middlegame and endgame updates)'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'well some tier 9 from 4 years ago coming back today may have been the toughest apple on the tree, but now find a bottomless mountain to climb'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'end-game is difficult now, as is getting there without assistance'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if the game wasn't meant to be played manually, then how are there so many who finished it?'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'webpage says botting isn't allowed, but bots are people too in the university of texas'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine:  which army do you want to emulate: the clueless arab army without the "where" function, or the USa army "where" everything is more likely to be known'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'are you suggesting all internet based corporations are secretly operated by the usa?'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or information interchange'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'saudi arabia banned the blackberry as of last october due to finding secret codecs that allowed cia to access anybody's devices, manufactured through india'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i wouldn't say the arab army is clueless at all'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'read it on al jazeera anyways, you can weigh what they say for yourself'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the Usa children prefer to emulate the USa navy "where" everything is more likely to be known -- those that seek to reduce the "where" fuction are pariahs'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i prefer privacy over pets'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what's it your business what i'm up to?'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if you don't know, am i a terrorist?'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't conform, you can't be trusted'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'communication and transcommutal monitoring should be sufficient to crystal balls and secret gypsies'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'you say Al Jazeera indicates that the arab army is not clueless .. aha! so the Pakistan army knew where OBL was all along'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'no, i don't agree with alien anal probes monitoring my rectum, to play through south park'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'too much "South Park" there Necroshine'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think you'd have to be either a faggot, ill informed or a coward to agree with that'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'fortunately for the human race, Xyliz is straight'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'order of operation is ideology->people->government->justice'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'here the order of operation is money->government->money's version of justice->expendables'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"excessive justice" is an abomination'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'perhaps "justice" is merely a disguised form of "iniquity"'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's countless reported cases of that, openly displayed to the public who doesn't care or notice in some instances, such as a 4 billion dollar pay hike, there's endless avenues of confusion to venture, they laced their syndrome well'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and as they say maybe 1% of rape's are reported, maybe 1% of iniquities are reported'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'everybody lives under the same government, each of the subdivisions has their own iniquities some of which are called justice in some of the places, but nobody plans on ever changing that'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that reasoning's what leads me to nihilism and things like that as solutions, who wants mortality as long as it exists to exist in these states of man-made decay'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'ol' yeller and rabies is a simile i use sometimes to describe my reasoning, as it seems the rabies are set in too deep to revive the old man'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'you talk as though you are yet sifting through the unsettling data input -- as though seeking (opinions and) reactions from others -- but beware that those reactions do not bite you in the back'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'nihilism is a fools dream'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i see through several concepts while i talk and in my mental balancing act attempt to convey a message, simple as it appears, it appears real to me'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'of course i seek opinions, if your men can sit down and discuss murder of populations through subtle means and survive and print their philosophy in books, i see no threat in gleaning input on my ideologies'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe i'll learn something, like you say nihilism is a fools dream'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what's a cold war?'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"sure", self-praise your crudely uttered opinions and perhaps enSure your continued ignorance'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mmm, ignorance'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i never praise myself'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'yes you did praise yourself, and you did not see where'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'now you're saying your interpretation is my message, maybe it is to you, live with it'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'tsk, the disadvantages of sabotaging the "where" function'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you just indirectly praised yourself, believing to have conquered my mind'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rhavage wishes he could figure out what the fuck the competing messages are.
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i pointed out the advantages for automatons having the where function accessible in their scripted brains and escape protocols, and the strategy involved in having that removed'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"it appears real to me" <-- is a disguised form of self-praise'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what's an opinion?  it is how i see it <-- is a real form of self-praise'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'we're dealing in metaphysics here'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"the heart is deceitful above all things, who may know it" (loosely paraphrased bible snippet)'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if i look at it from different angles i can see it different ways, if it appears to be a certain way to me i look for insight that shows me those other ways that you may see, how is it self-praise to allow for error?'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lest the antitheist indoctrinate the atheists misunderstood belief system'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'drole, the "atheism" of Xyliz upgraded and evolved into "atheistic antitheism" - likely no "misunderstood" atheism there'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so you're against people who give the interpretations (authoritatively in this self-praise absence) that disprove theology for the atheist to lean on'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's pretty fucked up'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'imo'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i guess you may be a theist after all then, or agnostic'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'bu if you say "atheism is misunderstood", maybe i take another look at the intent of atheists'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'one look at hubbard and i could smell his nature'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and it turns out i may have been correct'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'atheists are more likely to follow "atheology" not "theology", unless they are cluelessly deluded theistic atheists'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'atheism and agostricism are not opposites. You can be a theistic agnostic or a atheistic agnostic.'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so boundless, we see no reason to disprove what doesn't exist, while antitheists seek to plug the holes that may arive from their needless proofs to the contrary'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'contrarian'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'did i catch your critical eye?'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'yes'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i call antitheists the priests of atheism'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'which would make atheism a religion in itself'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'antitheist are people that are against religion, has nothing to do with atheism'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'one can see a priesthood in economics as well if they wanted to, who may see money as a false idol though?  moses didn't'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'were there graven images on his coins? '
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'back to teh 10 commandments'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'now, you could be a atheistic, antitheistic agnostic'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz as a teenager was an atheognostic -- been there, done that ... atheistic antitheism is currently the more valid philosophical outlook
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'but that's hard to write, and even worse to say'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ranrr smiles happily.
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'atheism is not necessarily a religion'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'it's most definitely not a religion'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'atheism is simply the default position'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think pure religion's a fine thing to seek out, but it may not be contained within any single human book and may require introspection and experience to discover'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the concept of false idol is a strange concept, these letters here are all shapes with meanings, what is a statue?'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if the statue has no meaning, and wasn't meant to be a learning aid, then it may be a false idol, yeah?'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if what it meant originally was perverted, then it does become false - but i take inspiration wherever it comes from'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'you are intepreting idol literally as a statue, why?'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there are mental idol's as well, why doesn't the name's of deities translate or certain words which translate aren't translated in foreign religious texts?'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they chant a name misunderstood, while the meaning behind the name is what is important, the nameless eternal being is more my idea of the name of god'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'i'd say pretty much all religious text is translated, unless you read ancient hebrew and those'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'assuming in my case there is one'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'strangely, "atheistic antitheism" yet permits the possible existence of a "decently-ethical heterosexual atheistic antitheist God" '
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe that's how some of them thought too'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'what with the heterosexual? If a deity existed, it would probably be non-sexual, or at least bi'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i see elements of deeper spiritual concepts within alot of their writings though, always possible things were taken and written around in their new ideologies'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the principle of duality, i think some religions portray their deity as male who shapes the female (while birth seems to tell us otherwise) who is mindless, and treated as such in several cultures'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'still, who cares if god is gay, except for homophobes'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the concepts of nu and ra in egyptian mythology (as reported to the public) are interesting things to think on though, and tiamat'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i wondered too, how come angels fall from heaven to copulate with human females'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'they don't, it's fiction'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it seems in alot of ancient literature's interpretation's, not only are dead tyrants called gods while living and post mortem, but possibly the character named michael who fought satan of babylon were both humans'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'replacing the word gods and spawn of set with angels and demons'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'from my brief overview of them, i don't get paid to disseminate everything to the fullest extend possible, but some things catch my interest and some things seem to line up'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think angels are largely sexless if they exist, (or demons), possession may incline them both ways through the possessed though, who knows'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the theories of "atheistic antitheism" (prove or) indicate that a "decently-ethical God" of humans is "heterosexual" and never "homosexual"'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'why?'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(the atheistic antitheistic analysis "rages" whether any "God" exists at all)'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'but if we say it does, why must it be heterosexual?'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'consider buddha for instance, while a hindi prince as pruported, is idolized as a deity or dead guild towards knowledge who's teachings matter maybe more than the personification who wrote them, yet there's statues of buddha all around and many consider him a deity - as jesus is said to have said in the scripture 'yea, is it not written in your scripture, that ye are gods?''
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or krishna'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'respect to the teacher, kind of like a cross the messiah was nailed to hung around one's neck?'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'made of gold and diamonds, extra righteous'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and what does jesus say to the wealthy man who didn't follow him?'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i value the teachings more than the symbols, but i still question what the symbols purpose are to various people'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's an ankh on my pack of cigarettes with a lion headed serpent staring away from it while leaning on a shield on the side of the ankh staff within which is a path to a castle and surrounding which is a spiral leading towards the darkside of the sigil'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if there's no mythological assumations or significance to the people who formulated my tobacco company's artwork, then where from did it come?'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'perhaps someone thought it looked cool?'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'graphical artist thought it looked cool?'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ranrr laughs out loud.
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'oh yeah, haha'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they're well informed formulators of cool then aren't they'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's what they're paid for'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'looks like a hex to me, but witchcraft is a assumption here'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i hear the whales near florida are gaspin for air around the keys'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'Saatai Wow... so your telling me that because a person is Black, Muslim, or both that they are somehow ignorant AND stupid?'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there shall be whaling and gnashing of reefs'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the Obama Barack is an "uncle tom" doing what the rich masters tell him to do -- OB acts like a closet republican in democrat clothes'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the hussein part i found questionable, but i noticed it on CNN, so who can say what really is there'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how many husseins are there in the world?'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'muslims weren't responsible for 9/11...they've been given a bum rap'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could argue their faith is'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's the shadiest president i ever read about, and that's not in racist thinking patterns either, a decent man is a decent man regardless of race, holy war's and governance of multi-religious people don't fit the title, so that aside, drop in who you think is best for the job and make sure the job they do is what they're paid to do'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'which is as bad as the crime itself imo'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'disgraceful that some falsely claiming to be russians are fixated on overspreading the "poo" on public channels - poosexaholics, tsk'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and women are people too, so don't call me sexist, elizabeth bathory seems to be defamed eternally for being a female noble in a male dominated society'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'racist!'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'etc etc, debate is free drink away, maybe we can establish some facts or tangents to consider, no harm in questioning who rules the world'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'I'm actually deeply offended that someone could actually blatantly come out and say, "Obama is a black president, and a muslim, and therefore stupid"..... Well first off Black people aren't dumb, and muslims (true muslims) are peaceful people and also very smart.'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'muslims are smart is as idiotic a statement as muslims are stupid'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'muslims are people. there are smart ones and stupid ones.'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'yep'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'Exactly'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'Smart in the sense of right and wrong'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'thing is that in all muslim-dominant states, members of any other faith are persecuted and murdered without any punishment to the killers'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'but that too is debatable'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'take indonesia for instance, as alot of the others news never escapes from , or rarely'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'and Obama hasn't been a failure as a president because he's black or muslim or whatever, it's because he's a bad president, it's very simple'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'you speak as though folk care that you are deeply offended by what they say - but they likely don't'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'Has he come out and said, "I'm muslim"'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'Because I haven't seen that or heard that'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'he's not muslim'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'Obama is a corporation man he's not for the people or the US'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'remember during the 2008 campaign when there was that big controversy with how radical obama's minister was?'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'some parts of south africa turned to voodoo and that's one morbid religion in some cases, if what contrasted them to that point is relative to islam then there's some food  for thought'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'his father was raised a muslim and had converted to atheism by the time obama was born. his mother was nominally christian, but didn't attend. he joined the christian church as an adult. '
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'his father was a devil, according to some'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'careful, if that food was served by an african, that food may be spiked with voodoo poisons'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a long-legged mac daddy, no?'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'furthermore, I don't really give a fuck what the president's religion is compared to what his politics are. What matters to me is that he governs in a secular manner and keeps his personal and private life separate.'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'erm, personal and public life'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '(slip of the tongue)'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like all presidents/heads of state, he governs in his own self-interest'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i read about some nuclear energy corporation funding roughly 300,000 dollars into his campaign, and later being rewarded with a multi-billion dollar grant from the government'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and i read about a senator who knew nothing about information technology or security establishing a corporation of which he was a major stockholder, and after leaving his senate post becoming its CEO'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'two examples among many i guess, you seem to be correct in your assessment'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if what i read on a penn state university website is correct as well, there's the brother of the head of the CIA in the 1950's who owned a fruit corporation guatemala, which enslaved its people and took their land, when the people revolted through the media this connection pulled the strings and called it a soviet threat, then sent the us military back down south to pacify the people who rose against the corporation'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'cia, senate, president, people who know the people, it all seems like a grand diablo'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'back around the time of that syphillis apology isn't it?'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'he's making the US the laughing stock of the world really'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'justice sure is a topological subject that nobody seems to grasp, and those who do have no sway over it occurring'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"no sway over what occuring" -- disjointed'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'their grasp on justice, heretics, where there's inner conflict there's resolution to be reached, where there's no resolution there's redundant conflict recurring forever'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'wtfrek is a "topological subject" '
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'a metaphysical framework of justice that is imperfect'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'unless you think justice is the guns that enforce the concepts that tell the shooter to kill'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"justice" is not a "metaphysical framework" -- justice is a concept'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'metaphysics, mind and spirituality have all been interchangeably used throughout the history of philosophy'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'concept is a structure thereof'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'drop of water on the sand, thought of a grain of sand'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'can you see a sort of parallel, yet division in the two simple concepts?'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'not "interchangeably" -- those are three different areas'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'man with the axe, concept that sent the man with the axe'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'which came first?'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"concept" is not necessarily a "structure"'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'dharma?'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'you know what really bothers me, osama bin laden was found in a place that was taken on google earth image sets in 2005, i dont know how we messed this up so bad for 7 years'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'i do :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'if i hired analysts to find him and was serious he would have been found years ago'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'i wonder who they *really* killed at that compound and why'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'dunno, dont care'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'Your house is on Google Earth, Grexo. I'm coming for you.'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'i dont believe osama is alive but i felt he was dead ages ago'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'good luck'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'with your mission :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'you wanna quest it? :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'does anybody follow those Elvis Presley sightings these days'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'saw a great photo of an aged elvis...must have been photoshopped but it was well done...wish i could remember the site i saw it :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'have you been to the red planet diner in arizona for ufo sighting photos?'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'maybe OBL sightings may become popular'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'i saw elvis at graceland i guess lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'obl lolz'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'I think I seen Michael Jackson leaving an airplane to be reuinited with her haitian orphan in america one day, preceding a plea from a doctor for money - but it may just be a woman who resembles him'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'awhile back i could have sworn some guy looked like his #1, zawahiri in a nyc subway'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'never can tell with those secret princes and their plastic surgery and connections, tainted public image bothering him everywhere, why not'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'guy was almost a spitting image'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'i think it was a look alike working for the govt tho'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but i don't make a official sighting of some dead rock star out of it'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'stand up Elvis we know you are here :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'Is Elvis Presley alive on here right now?  :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm curious how all of the military personale, the militarily serviced aircraft, and each with training on how to evacuate a crashing aircraft ever abounded into that polish accident'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'was it shot out of the sky and they just said it was an accident, was it a feigned death to erase the public image of a public official?'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'you mean when the polish delegation got killed in that jet?'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'poland uses old jets, its not surprising to say the least'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'poland is intellectually backward'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they played both that and michael jackson for approx 2 weeks constant media coverage, and then ukraine announced its new michael jackson village, for tourist purposes'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'poland is like the soviet union when it comes to jets, they have the oldest fleets '
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'its not surprising to say the least, i would never fly on LOT Polish'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'russia makes its own aircraft, and they're far from obsolete'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'russia made the biggest transport jet in the world'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'the aranov'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'but a lot of its fleet are old jets'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'im alive and the polish delegation isnt, surprising?  no'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'when i fly im on state of the art aircraft '
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'the polish delegation was tied to their national aviation system, and couldnt escape it'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'why do you think the polish military is the laughing stock of the world'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'and why the USA got osama bin laden :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'i obviously however feel that osama was being tracked for years or something cause i dont see how he was there without our knowledge'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anuebus: 'so this is meant for politics... no wonder its off normally'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what do you all figure is the signifigance of Kings 11:18 and this here occurrence? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mattan '
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'some of you seem to know a bit about strange things'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'But when the Pharisees heard [it], they said, This [fellow] doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.  over in Matthew 12:24'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation: and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?  And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'interesting stuff isn't it?'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: ''we are not born of women, but our father who art in heaven, sayeth they', 'of a virgin was he born, joseph the son of a man called mattan?'  'ye are of your father the devil, says he''
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lots of interesting things to consider you see, this is why the bible is an interesting story in part'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'not that interesting when input that Jesus Christ was and is a fiction, and that early Roman Catholicism was headed by (the) depraved (popes)'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's assumptions though, i can claim anything not witnessed in my lifetime is merely a figment of my subconscious or supraconscious imagination drawing a framework for a dream if like'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'here this is some tangible stuff that alot of people look towards'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the conclusion that Jesus Christ is a fiction is the result from years of experienced analysis and debating on irc (backed up by access to databased informations on the internet)'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hahahahaha D:'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'and even if a regorous proof is presented that Jesus Christ is a fiction, those that are already deluded brainwashed indoctrinated in believing in Jesus Christ are going to reject the evidence'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'rigorous'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you cannot have a rigorous proof that someone DID NOT exist.'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'if i buy mineral and mining rights for 63 acres of property'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'on residential homesites'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'wrong majic'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'how can i mine for oil or whatever is there'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'no, right.'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'how do i do a geology study and get access to the minerals :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and what vega said.'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'rishi, Jains worship the icons of Jinas, Arihants, and Tirthankars, who have conquered their inner passions and attained divine consciousness, and study the scriptures of these liberated beings. godheads, actual prophet's who see the future, avatar's of universal consciousness, i'm not afraid to consider it all'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'enough religeon bs'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'i hate this shit'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you can render it increasingly unlikely through detailed analysis, but you cannot prove the negative.'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'It's also generally agreed upon by scholars that Jesus DID exist, it's just debated as to whether he was actually the son of God.'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'deadline, boom nothing, boom nothing, memory of birth, memory after death, another assumption, though the presumption appears more real than the authoritative knowledge of the latter'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so what if it's too much to handle, that's part of being human'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a deluded pedantic by pedantically using pedantic flawed logic is going to attempt to reject rigorous actual logic -- deluded pedantics are another form of brainwashed indoctrnated deluded religious nutter'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'do you think you used pedantic enough there?'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'You are defining 'flawed logic' as 'doesn't agree with me' and 'rigorous actual logic' as 'agrees with me''
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'these are not, surprisingly, the universal definitions :P'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Except by people who are certain they are right despite all evidence... only the 'me' changes in each case.'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'with the fragmentation of the historical records, especially given the sack of jerusalem in 70 AD, there is absolutely no way to rigorously prove someone didn't exist.'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'There never was a way to rigorously prove the nonexistance of a thing.'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'The proof of the existance of a rock is the existance of a rock.'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'll probably remain agnostic and develop  my own theology or philosophy, while not without evidence claiming one or another is false in totality based upon the actions of interpretations thereof and the resultant crimes committed'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Just because you can't see the rock does not mean it does not exist.'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you can be fairly sure that someone wasn't born and registered as a birth in cleveland in 1970 or something like that, where we have actual records.'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'All you can be certain of, Majic, is that it was not recorded.'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Majic, since you did not see the proof, your objections to the proof are flawed'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that's why I said 'born and registered''
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon nods.
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Xyliz, you cannot prove that something does not exist.'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'No Xyliz, the proof does not need to be seen to state that it is invalid, since it is the claim of something that cannot be proven.'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Only that we have no documentation of a things existance.'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'wrong Morinon'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's a tough thing mortality, spirituality is largely a mystery and atheism a faith based upon claims that mystery doesn't exist'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'No, the problem is that you don't understand logic or what a 'rigorous proof' means.'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'No, Xyliz, this is fairly basic logic. If we could prove something doesn't exist, there would be no reason to explore.'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'All we do is prove what doesn't exist, and then what's left must be what does.'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'The world does not work that way.'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'and yet, you are wrong'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'seems atheism is the religion that generates the most ardent fanatics'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'And yet, your stating a thing does not make it so.'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic sniggers at Dynamo's actions.  Maybe you should REPORT the idjit.
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there are fanatics of all stripes, it's just that you find more fundie evangelical atheists on a place like aardwolf, because ultra-fundie evangelical christians tend (note, I'm not saying it's a universal rule) to not play at places like this.'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'report, to the 1984 Ministry of (pedantic) Logic'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'You first, Xyliz, you're the one using 1984 logic.'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'We have always been at war with Eastasia.'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine, unsure which direction you are heading - especially if you are a puppet pawn directed by others'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if i'm a pawn, my directors must be spiritual'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'not necessarily'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm just killin time, and discussing things that interest me with others'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'those that are obsessed with "killin" indicate a dark side'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'No. Only those obsessed with winning.'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think nearly everybody has a dark side, i don't have any hidden motives here though'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'at least, not that i'm aware of'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'an obsession with morbid songs indicates unresolved data to sift '
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Your mom has unresolved data to sift'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's not an obsession, it's a compulsive reaction to dealing with the horrors i witnessed in life through a mundane fashion that is largely ineffectual, the music indicates fractions of the details i've been exposed to'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you know, like somebody who's pissed off beats on a punching bag, or squeezes and advil sponge'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'once i get myself a good job i can place my stress to better use'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'to speak of "horrors" (as though attempting to be starkly emotional) indicates unresolved difficulties in comprehension'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or an experience with horrors...'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'To overanalyze what other people say indicates a need to control others that one does not normally have.'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'unable to comprehend horror is to speak of horror?  lots of deranged people directing hollywood movies if that's the case'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine is Canadian -- Canada is a socialist counry - what horrors other than imagined or as seen on tv'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'sugar coated shit still tastes like shit when you bite into it'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'horrifying crap can happen anywhere, I don't know necro's past but I know people who have had some pretty awful shit happen to them that you'd never, ever know from just talking to them.'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Xyliz, I love your assumption that Canada is completely bereft of horror.'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, he's canadian and therefore cannot possibly have experienced horrors...there's more of that stellar logic'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'pretending that horrors can't happen in Canada is an indication of a severe lack of logic. '
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'coffins rolling down the highway in ottawa is one type, there's types of horrors all around happening right now, maybe on a lesser degree than in other places, but thanks to the internet and media i'm able to witness more of what occurs in other area's of the world, and being human can sort of relate to them'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Canada is nearly "heaven on earth" in comparison to the "horrid hells" in other locations on this planet'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that doesn't mean that horrors cannot happen there.'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'some forms of mania may occur due to pretending all that is not really real'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Xyliz, so what you're saying is, there are no bad people in Canada?'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so no child abuse happens in canada, no murders, no tortures, no drug abuse...'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Nobody capable of abuse or murder?'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'while the rates may be LOWER than other places, to the one who is victim or witness of them, the probabilities are no comfort'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'chsanging the topic slightly ...'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'changing the topic slightly ...'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine, how do you personally interpret the Two Great Commandments of Jesus Christ '
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'love thy neighbour as thyself, do unto others as you would have others do unto you?  that's a good question, because i don't love myself very much, and if i'm an asshole i expect to be treated as such, and if i perceive what i would hate myself for doing being done by others, i'm left to some possible unfulfillment'
T3/r3/2011-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but that's one of many interpretations i can possibly arrive at, 'for i came not to bring peace, but a sword' i recall a verse claiming'
T3/r3/2011-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'those Two Great Commandments may take decades to comprehend properly and further years to express properly'
T3/r3/2011-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'as life experience is learned and obtained, the interpretation changes'
T3/r3/2011-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'your absence of answers'
T3/r3/2011-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'for the child shall not be punished for the sins of the father, go not after strange gods, whosoever doth not spray their doorframe with blood therein shall their firstborn die, and a great miracle happened as pharoah's heart hardened'
T3/r3/2011-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what do you believe about that god?'
T3/r3/2011-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Canada Census Day 2011-May-10'
T3/r3/2011-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'Mitt Romney vs Donald Trump'
T3/r3/2011-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i agree with the mage'
T3/r3/2011-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'A vs Z'
T3/r3/2011-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'X'
T3/r3/2011-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'Tonights debate:  Should Zylias have his 25th win?'
T3/r3/2011-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'should gossip fights be censored?'
T3/r3/2011-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'BUILD THE DAMN FENCE'
T3/r3/2011-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'Debate'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Frontline is doing a documentary of USa kill/captyre murder squads in Afghanastan (where killing innocent bystanders is deemed okay and "legitimate" by the USA)'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz starts to hear the faint sounds of a cricket chirping.
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'not everybody's the same, not every general's the same, not every squadron is the same, to be fairer it does seem as though america, when known that a member of its military or staff (sans those untouchables) is witnessed as having conducted a crime against humanity that didn't fit their job description, they are usually dealt with'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'especially contrasted to other military's in the world, though canada's does seem alot more honorable and thorough in its internal investigations (sans the untouchables)'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if the rest of the world were competent, we wouldn't need to police them.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'when it comes down to it, though, if an entity cannot or will not do something they expect us to do it for them because we're bigger, badder, and more capable.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'but those USa "crimes against humanity" did fit the job description as being "legitimate" [where legitimacy is defined by the murderous USa], (you callous apologist)'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i see this show called nazi-hunters on history tv now, i watched a little of it last night, and as i mentioned on gossip earlier in my discourse about what is a jew and shown that a israelite is not neccessarily one, with this book-definition knowledge in mind, considering reports of how german soldiers were treated after defeat and any allies of germany in general - how these self-righteous evil )(fake)( jew's in this show are accussingly pointing the finger at a survivor who they assume was registered in a french faction of germany's army during ww2'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'aaa'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'being accused of carrying out orders to murder civilians'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'mis :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '(50+ years after the alleged crimes took place), and they , these saint-nazi-hunter-israeli's, don't accuse tehmselves of carrying out their orders to run over an unarmed american woman from washington with a demolition's device, in cold blood'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"run over .. with a demoltion's device" appears incoherent'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's an effective tactic to simply raise a smear issue that can still traumatize the majority.  You don't even need to have proof or indeed even make a clear accusation.  The simple fact that your name and actions appeared in proximity is enough to make people regard you in a different (often less flatteringly so) way.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they were demolitiong palestinian homes against UN sanctions'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'did the israelis know the amarican woman was inside the house being demolioshed'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'apparently she was outside of the house, in plain view, and they were given the order to run her over'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if they didn't, then either the American was willfully breaking a law or the demo crew weren't doing their jobs.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'a statement to the world, don't fuck with Israel, even the UN does nothing about our crimes'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's how it seems anyways, their accusations against one of the few german survivors are alot less evidently founded than the current israeli military's unaccounted for crimes'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'so Necroshine admits to being an israeli with "our crimes"'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'There are cruelties in life. Iniquities. Injustices. But am I reading here people trying to in any way equate American and/or Israeli malfeasances with the wholesale execution of 6 million Jews, 5 million Russians, a couple million Poles, and god-only-knows how many Gypsies, gays, or other sundry undesirables? Nah, I'm definitely misreading.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'necro's a filthy commie liberal from canada. :P I think he's affected by all those acres of snow he has to shovel half the year.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'no, i was being projective, as i see their leadership's psychology, call it a freudian slip'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm definitely not israeli'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'my optometrist was, but he wasn't an asshole either, neither are alot of them'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'you know nazi germany could never have arisen without american help?'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'a true israeli would've told you to fuck off and shot a handgun in your general direction simply hoping that God would send a wind powerful enough to carry it all the way to you.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ah. The United States of America is responsible for Nazi Germany. You're not really saying that, of course.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that brings out your admiration, Dokkar?'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'losing ww1 is?'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'did we have a hand in that, usa?'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'not for the literal actions, but yes.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'read Antony Sytton's books if you don't believe me...all fully documented with state department files etc :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so you are saying that being an asshole is the way to go, in general.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'Sutton that is'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we did.  We were on the winning side of WW1, and our (the winners') demands ended up causing the Great Depression.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'How about Neville Chamberlain and Great Britain. "Peace in our time." Ring a bell?'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no one won WW-I, the war never ended.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if we put any credence into the history textbooks from 20-30 years ago, that is.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'world war.. round 1.. draw?'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'that *6* million jews figure was debated and reduced down to 1 million by Ernst Zundel - but maybe a few million jews were killed outside the camps -- the Nazis were targetting more than jews '
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ah, just a few million. Well, that makes all the difference then.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't know about a draw, but everyone agreed to take a break and resupply.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the Nazis disliked poles, disliked slavs, disliked russians, ...'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'who was that italy, germany and .. '
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'i know you don't hear too much about it on corporate media, but what they don't like they ignore...just look at Fukushima'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'They liked the English. Then bombed London mercilessly.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'genocide has been part of humanity since the dawn of history. While I certainly appreciate what happened during WW-II, I would like to know why there is more importance to that particular genocide than the others that preceeded it.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'well 6M peeps is memorablel'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Because of the numbers. It was an unprecedented slaughter, although it wasn't for long. '
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you know how everyone says that the world has shrunk thanks to the internet and mobile devices?  The same thing happened shortly before WW2 and so more people were aware of what was going on closer to the time it actually was happening.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'it wasn't the american people of course, they were pretty sweet and innocent...just a few greedy shitheads at the top'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, yes, Modi. But, for instance, there were more than 6M people in the "New World". The Spanish, French and English managed to reduce that number so something less than significant. Some genetic lines actually ceased to exist. No one is particularly upset about that.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '.*if* 6 million were killed in the camps, there is debate how many of those 6 million were jews'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'We did our own progrom here in the States agains the Indians.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if you watched that video on Sambo I posted on gossip yesterday, rather disturbing as it is, with some of what I mentioned in mind, you might see the allied forces as less of the good guys with the recorded amount of civilian murders that they conducted and mistreatment of humanity - in the video, russia is quoted as having genocided 10 million of its own citizens, and put ukrainian people through mortal kombat training along with (a reported 1933, how factural or not history is reported who can say, murder of over 10 million of them as well) Human Weapon: Sambo: Russia's Extreme Fighting http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2T3TcmM4JU&feature=fvst'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'pogrom*'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'true.. the small pox things was bad '
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'im not sure how many that killed'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we don't really need to give jews casinos and tax breaks, though.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'I practice sambo often, and brazilian jiu jitsu'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'The reason the holocaust was especially disturbing to people, more so than other genocides, is that it was at the start of the modern industrial era. Many believed this to be a new era of prosperity for the world but instead, they find that man has simply industrialized murder.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Rhavage, what do you mean "we", paleface'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'this is only one of many historical things i consider though, as i've read of other military personalle involved in the war conducting horrific crimes, and maybe nobody knows an official number of them'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'It didn't kill anywhere near as many people as there simply weren't as many to kill. But it was still a heartless pogrom.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am not talking about the small pox. I am talking about just killing the natives for the hell of it. If you think dying in a gas chamber is bad, try dying by burning which was the usual way the Spaniards punished those who didn't want to be enslaved.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'It wasn't just line them up and shoot them, it was genocide on a mass scale that had been industrialized and made efficient.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but this here video might be where the video game Mortal Kombat was originally inspired from'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '(subject matter's)'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Point taken, Xyliz.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'small pox prob no picnic, and that was also millions im sure'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the missionary position was so named because of a church sex scandal.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as I said, I am not lessening the horror or WW II, I am saying that its occurrence was not the first in history and won't be the last.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'perhaps someone will invent one named "altar boy"'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, anthropologists estimate that the Indian population in what is now the States never exceeded about 15 million.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'And I'm just explaining why the holocaust was especially horrific to people: It was industrialized murder.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yea good point vega'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I see, so it's ok to be blown away by an flit lock weapon, but hey, don't use a gas chamber. '
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Yes, Vega. Industrialized, systematic, orderly murder.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'You did ask a question as to why people thought it was important :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'more like murder for industry...they were forced to man factories and worked to death'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and it's ok to be tied to a tree and set on fire, but hey don't use a gas chamber.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'gas was prob pretty painless true'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'It wasn't just the method of killing them, Anaristos. It was the cold efficiency and industrializtion of their murder.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what the fuck does efficiency matter to the victims? You are discussing the method as if it matter to those who died.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they say in the video, sambo is russia's 3rd most popular sport, after hockey and one other - and with that in mind, I consider the UFC and how it's being popularized now'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'compared to being burned at the stake, prob most things are'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'boxing with gloves is alot different than boxing with martial arts'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'That's not the question your were asking that I was answering, Anaristos.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Theyer: 'having personall gotten my ass beat in a cage match I can definitely tell you... Boxing != Cage fight. lol far from'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ana, the difference isn't in the method of killing. It's in the organization.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Shortboat Vega is agreeing with that Rhavage person again...
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'Exactly.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that's called degree of severity, Anaristos.  He who defends his home from an intruder is as much a killer as a serial killer, but neither are on the level of the guy with a bomb strapped on his back in the last moments before he makes some suicide salad.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the more interesting thing is that pretty much everyone gets offended when comparing the noble joe to the freak.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I don't get offended, Dokkar. He may have actually outdid Hitler.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that all applies to the doers, the victims couldn't give a bigger shit how they were killed since the result is the same s the end. You are saying hey, they didn't use trains back in 1492 so they weren't as efficient and therefore the killing wasn't as bad. Tell that to the victims.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'The difference was it wasn't just a killing of people on the spot. It was a gathering of the people in what was considered a "civilized" manner and then their murder being carried out with industrial-like efficiency.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'Anaristos, you're making up your own arguments and putting them in other people's mouths.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'Nobody is saying that but you.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'at least they didnt make them into bratwurst'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, so you are saying that the natives of the New World, weren't kill precisely because they were the natives and therefore less than human?'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'what makes you think they didn't? ;)'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ana, if we follow your argument to the extreme, then genocide is no worse than a single murder. Philosophers have made that case.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'You asked a question as to "why there is more importance to that particular genocide than the others that preceeded it."'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'not for just that reason, no'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'they killed them cuz its easier than learning to speak indeain'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'they were killed because the invaders wanted their land'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'We answered that question as to why there is more importance given to that genocide than others.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'Now you're making up your own new arguments.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Zyklon B gas was painful, Modi'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so it doesn't matter than more than 6M natives of the New World were erased by the colonizers because they were't transported by train and stuffed into an oven.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Shortboat Vega pats Undertaken Anaristos on his head.
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I happen to be a descendant. I take it personally.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'Nobody said that, Anaristos.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'he's leading'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'Too bad your ancestors didn't get a blanket :('
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what is that suppose to mean?'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'well some survived , somehow'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'this is Debate, not Insult, people.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'in one video i watched on history tv about holocaust survivor's, one of the people who escaped a death camp said that in order to survive you had to work yourself as long and hard as possible, then if you lasted long enough (unless some were automatically escalated to this position) you were to be the foreman of a group of people who you put through what you yourself went through, and if you think of how people treat one another today with how profit is made for a company to the lowest bidder, this might be another kind of framework for this industrial revolution theory like you mentioned earlier'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, yes, I suppose that that will bum someone one out.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yea no one is implying one genocide is worse than the other afaik'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Of course it matters. I don't think anybody is suggesting that it doesn't. But the holocaust of WW2 was such a concentrated, systematic slaughter that it's pretty much bound to catch the eye.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that's my point, the victims of any genocide are not particularly interested in efficiency or the lack thereof.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'and hence more recognized, perhaps..'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'not saying there's anything good about it at all, but am saying there does seem to be some paralell's, a rich american removing american jobs and selling them to a person in mexico who has no respect for his workers who get paid next to nothing, for instance, surviving through being cruel to others at an administrative level'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'Genocide is wrong, period, IMO. People of one ethnicity are not the same exact person, so it's not like murdering just one person.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'more jewish survived than native americans, no doubt too'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and, as a matter of fact, Jews were not the only ones sent to the ovens. Though they were the overwhelming majority. No one sheds any tears for those.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it was also "current events".  Because of faster transit times (ie, telegraph lines), we became more aware that a horror was occurring and not yet (being) dealt with--or worse, that we tried and failed and haven't yet tried again.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'no one does?'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'It was also the first genocide where the world could see pictures of what was going on.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'I am gay, Ana, so it's not a "no one".'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I wonder, Modi. I mean, as a percentage of population, if more Jews died in Europe or more Indians died in America.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'with previous events, there was a long enough lag time in the reporting that those not involved could still maintain the hope that a good solution was met.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you see, that is what I am pointing out, you are talking about the genocide in terms of those who weren't the victims of it but perpetrators or observers. To you, your opinion of what happens is more important that the victim's opinion just before he died.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Anaristos, (allegedly) they were stuffed into "shower room(s)" where Zyklon gas "cleansed" them, and then they were processed (without stuffing) in crematorium "ovens"'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'Anaristos, read what people are actually saying. Nobody is saying that the Holocaust was more horrible than any other genocide. You just asked why it was viewed with more importance. Nobody is saying it was more important, we're just explaining why people view the crime as being more horrendous.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'that was no Hansel and Gretel story'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'on the contrary, when I read about genocides and such, I put my mind in their shoes.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'how  can you make that claim unless you witnessed all the other genocides that preceeded that one? How can you speak for the dead and say that their death wasn't as terrible?'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'for example, while it's viewed as by far the most horrific event in our national history, it took a full month before all the players were able to hear the ceasefire order once the Civil War formally ended.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'every death is terrible.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'and if the smelly shoes are dirty'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'Nobody is making an argument for the thoughts of the murdered.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yea they still hang gay dudes in iran , no? '
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'What, they don't stone them?'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'better to focus on the present i think'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'not just hang, they do bad things to the danglies.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am trying to speak for the dead. I am telling you they didn't care who their killers were or what methods they used.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'Reading news the day after it happened and being able to see pictures of what is happening has a much stronger impact on the world-at-large. The thoughts of the Jews and the Indians and the other millions that were murdered don't matter because they're still just as dead and what they think doesn't matter.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I bet you some of them did, Anaristos.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'What matters is the perception of the world as to the events.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I think (but can't say with certainty) that Stalin killed more people than Hitler did. But he'll never equal Hitler in notoriety simply because he didn't morbidly record the data, collect the hair, skin, and teeth, and try to make a science of murder. If you catch my drift.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'And seeing pictures of people who have been starved to death has a much stronger impact on people than reading "6 million people died by being shot or given small pox intentionally". Nobody is arguing against you that one genocide was worse than another'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Stalin's purges killed more people that Hitler did, Rhavage.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, what matters is the opinions of those who either were perpetrators or those who were just "horrified" observers.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'Where's a blanket when you need one? :('
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Anaristos, unless you are dead and we're simply unaware of it, aren't you taking this a bit personally?'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, I was thinking that, Morinon, but couldn't say with any certainty.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'inb4 Anaristos is a zombie and wants our brains =o'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Not to mention claiming to know the minds of all the dead, that's a bit arrogant.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'sorry cound't help that one.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the point that I am trying to get across is that the dead doesn't care how may died that day or who the killers were. The dead only care that they are dead and that is the opinion that counts.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Or how about Mao in China or Pol Pot in Cambodia? More mass murderers. The 20th century was kind of a cornucopia of slaughter.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Anaristos: HOW DO YOU KNOW?'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Because I'm pretty sure you don't.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'Nobody is arguing with you on that point. You're just perceiving anything which doesn't agree with you as an attack on your argument.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the dead's opinion that they are dead doesn't matter to anyone.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'you talk to dead people now?'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I imigine myself being the victim of someone wanting me dead. Try it.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'no thanks'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or the pharmaceutical industry that several governments ignored warnings against the use of their product, and which they didn't thoroughly test before administering, thalinomide'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'the dead care about one thing. BRAINS!'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'And you assume everyone has the same thought process as you do?'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A FOOMING Mirrim: 'Aren't you jumping the gun just a skosh?'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the idea of someone being dead matters to varying degrees to people who are not dead based on their connection to the deceased.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you glorify the killers and dehumanize the victims.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'who is glorifing killers?'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A FOOMING Mirrim: 'I don't think he's glorifying anything so much as explaining, really, how messed up it was.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'People are different. Personally, were I dying, I'd want the people who killed me to not die, but to suffer.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Who is the name of God is glorifying the killers?'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i think youre projecting your own issues on us'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A FOOMING Mirrim: 'Are you looking to be upset, Anaristos, maybe? :S'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't believe in aliens as easy as other people seem to, but watching a documentary on thalidomine?  thalinomide?  something along those lines, through 1950-1963, the affects it had on the baby's, and their depiction's of short aliens with little ears and things like that - with idea's and confessionals from the government stating that debris found at roswell was part of a missile detection system that fell down and wasn't wanted known'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I think he's still peeved at feeling ignored on the zuggsoft.com forums.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the modern-day concept of alien may be a fabrication of this drug, and folk lore from 1947 or so'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Thalidomide, Necro'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's an idead, Rhavage, but what I was trying to point out that from the point of view of each victim the fact that people will right countless books on the subject or debate it endlessly is not going to matter as much as thre fact that they are about to be dead, and that is what matters.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'Thalidomide is back on the market if anybody wants to get some :D'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i hate when peopel just say 'you' say a name:p im like, me? '
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A FOOMING Mirrim: 'Don't ask a question if you don't want someone to answer.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Anaristos, I think you'll find that some of that debate can be found to help STOP more people being dead.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'You cannot serve the dead, they're dead. But you can serve the living.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yes, good point, here here'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i seen that vega, i also read that it had been possibly unorthodoxically used in some 3rd world nation's on population studies'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I understand your point, Ana. Well, at least I think I do. But if you're somebody about to be killed, I rather doubt if it matters much if you're one of a hundred herded into a gas chamber or if you're looking down the wrong end of a gun in front of a 7-11 on a Friday night.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'I see what you are saying Ana, I constantly fear attacks because of my sexual preferences, and I put myself in the shoes of persecuted people every day. I know that some neonazi bastard could track me down one night. Don't think that other people don't know what you are thinking. But I know if I die in that fashion, I'll care more than the fact that I am dead, I'll care instead that I was murdered based on someone elses need to persecute those who are different in any way. I'll care that I was murdered to begin with.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'I don't know about the use in 3rd world nations at all.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that is the point, Rhavage.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'The form currently on the market shouldn't cause the birth defects that thalidomide caused previously though. That was due to a racemic mixture, one of the enantiomers causing the defects. The current thalidomide on the market is a single enantiomer drug.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'and honestly, if I do become a ghost out of said circumstances, I'll haunt those neonazis until the end of their days and beyond.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and from that we can say that the natives of the New World who were victims of genocide are as important as any other victim of genocide anywhere or anywhen else.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'and I'm being serious here.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A FOOMING Mirrim: 'Well then why did you ask why it was important if you didn't want to knwo?'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'I still wouldn't let my pregnant wife take it :P'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah, i didn't read they were pressuring its use or advocating its use on pregnant mothers either, only for certain illness that it may have a beneficial effect on'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'It's not that the victims are more important. It's that when somebody pulls a gun at the 7-11 he doesn't kill millions. It's the same reason that air crashes are more startling than auto wrecks. Nobody drives a car into a phone pole and kills 240.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that is granted, Rhavage. But again you are not looking at it from the point of view of the victim...'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A FOOMING Mirrim: 'Also, why is it so vital that one be 'worse' or 'more important' than the other?  Maybe they were just both bad and it's not a race to see who had it worse.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'well, maybe if they were latino or pakistani/indian (the non-terrorist kind).'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's a good queston, Mirrim.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'question*'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'say what you want about the sandies, but they sure do know how to pack a car.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what is a non-terrorist kind?'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'it isn't that those who commit murder and genocide are more important, it's that they are the ones we can do something about/to.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I can't look at it from the point of view of the victim. Nobody can. If, on the other hand, we could get post-mortem reports from the victims(s), we might view things differently.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'bus drivers and normal folk'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you mean that you can't imagine yourself being a victim?'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'on the contrary, I can imagine myself being a victim only too well.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'so few people can that you'll likely never be believed to be such a one.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is only by imagining oneself as a victim that one can go out into the world and do the right thing. Do onto others...'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I can imagine myself being a victim.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A FOOMING Mirrim: 'Most people on the internet have fancied themselves to be a victim at one point or another.  Have you ever seen someone get PK'd?  Folks act like it's the end of the world.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'thoughts become actions.. dont think negatively'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'Mirrim, on the contrary to that, if someone kicks my arse in pk, I make it a point to kick theirs into holy hell.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'PK only engages the whine reflex, not fight or flight.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Whine reflex, heh. I like it :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'imagining yourself as a victim is not negative thinking, it's actually negative feedback, which is not the same thing.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'imagine yourself as a hero then'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'saving a victim'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'most people don't even volunteer or recycle, yet roughly 76% of us will vehemently defend our beliefs that we should and will grow extremely offended when accused of posing.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you imgine yourself being run over by a car if you cross a crowded street againt the light, that's negative feedback, not negative thinking.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's also important to not think positively (as though it's a ray of sunshine) about a negative phenomenon, since accepting wrong as right isn't neccessarily the right answer to something'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A FOOMING Mirrim: 'The point I'm trying to make, albeit in a backwards sort of way, is that people just LOVE feeling victimized these days and have little to no real experience with truly having something Bad in their life.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'positively identifying it to be real is differen't than seeing it's real and considering it good'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'its yin and yang, but must be'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'again, if I am killed by some neo-nazi for being gay, my last thoughts are going to be "I hope you burn in the deepest depths of hell."'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I'm older than most of you. My dad was a B-25 pilot in WW2. My uncle was a GI and "liberated", for lack of a better word, a concentration camp the Nazis abandoned. I really wish he were here right now to offer his opinion of what he saw.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A FOOMING Mirrim: 'My uncle Alex saw his parents and siblings murdered in front of his eyes in a concentration camp.  He got to live because he was blonde.  He thinks it is all horseshit.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't have a problem with peoples sexual preferences as long as they're mutually accepted by both side's, there's far more important things to worry about - but like even a straight couple, modesty in public is important imo'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A FOOMING Mirrim: 'Sorry for the cuss.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Awful, Mirrim. I can't imagine living with that.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'cuss on debate all you like, Mirrim.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A FOOMING Mirrim: 'I try not to swear when debating.  It just sorta makes me look like a bigger dork than I am XD'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'just leave the links confined to curse, though'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Lively discussion tonight. Off to bed for me. Night, all.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'gnight to you'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'anyone know if they've got the radioactive water out of the turbine building at Fukushima? our news here just went blank'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'just look for sealife that glows in the dark...'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'or how much radioactive material is leaking?'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'has everyone's news everywhere gone blank?'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'funny the worst nuclear disaster ever and there's no news. wonder why'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe media sanction's similar to the gulf of mexico, the beached whales in new zealand/florida being indicators of some long-term possible catastrophe, and not wanting the public to know the extent of the damage, or throttling the fear levels'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '(is my wonder why)'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A FOOMING Mirrim: 'Also if it's not America, it doesn't matter!  didn't you KNOW!'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A FOOMING Mirrim: '(That was sarcasm, but sadly true)'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'i thought they loved scaring us given their coverage of global warming'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'you do not "wnoder why", you are attempting in inflame others with unresolved stress'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"wonder"'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'i di wonder why really'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dynamo grabs his stethoscope and looks for someone to play doctor with.
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'oops i meant do not the social :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'they prosecuted and found guilty a sexpervert doctor recently'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'are we not supposed to think or talk about important things?'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that's not the salinsky way.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, I can't answer you because I don't have a tv :P'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'debate is to be reserved for lofty matters like March Madness or who's headlining the next White House concert.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'i see :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we're not at all allowed to talk about how teachers are at war with whistleblowing students outing their fascist liberal ways.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '...yes, yes, I am definitely enforcing fascist liberalism on my students by expecting them to actually learn how to add fractions and that 2/3 - 1/2 is fucking NOT 1 :P'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: '2/3 - 1/2 = NOT 1 is a mathematically true statement, though.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'your methods might be a bit flawed if that's all you're teaching them. :P'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hehe :D'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yeah, we spend the whole semester on one fraction problem ...'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'are you a regular teacher or like special needs?'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'this was a college developmental math course'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'intermediate algebra :P'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'not sure if you answered my question or not...'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's not a special needs course.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it was college.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I have always wondered about the term "intermidate algebra", algebra is a subject which really doesn't have a defined ending, so how do you figure out the middle?'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, intermediate comes after beginning and before college :P'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, but it is all the same algebra.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'not the same - the intensity and depth is different'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is a big difference between linear and abstract algebra, but plain vanilla algebra is always the same'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that's like saying 'how can you have spanish 1 and spanish 2? it's all spanish''
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, yes, that's a good question, too :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'no, not really.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, at what level does a 5-year old speaks Spanish relative to your level 2 Spanish class?'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'dunno, I'm not a spanish major'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'there is a (vast) difference between the A level and the B level of the same course in College '
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'some of the 5-year-old's constructs will never be mastered by a foreigner :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but referring to algebra -- the topics begun in the beginning class are revisited in more depth in the intermediate class, and further topics are covered.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'for example, the beginning class doesn't solve quadratic equations, that is covered in intermediate.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I suppose'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you couldn't really cover all of pre-calculus algebra in one semester unless you had profoundly gifted students.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the thing is that "algebra" is probably the vaguest subject in Mathematics :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's another thing "pre-calculus" algebra. I took, instead, a course in analytic geometry.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'lots of things are vague, but when prefaced by 'intermediate' it's (in the us) usually referring to a course somewhere between high school 1 and 2'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'by precalculus algebra I was referring to everything from algebra 1 up through precalc.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'except geometry/trig :P'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'basically, all the algebra included in a HS math class.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'errr, sequence.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, but the logical step from the clop-hopping in algebra to the more in-depth analysis in calculus would be analytic geometry.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yep. they usually don't offer it separately anymore though, and include it in the calculus classes instead.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'much of calculus is analysis of curves. In fact, in calculus everything is a curve :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'some places do still offer it and I think it's a valuable course.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'analytic geometry combines plain vanilla algebra with trigonometry so when you are presented with the theory of the calculus you go "oh, I see".'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yep. it's usually integrated now so that part of it is in precalculus and part of it's included in calculus.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'to me it seems that what algebra represents is the practical applications of higher theory without exposing oneself to them. Like solving simultaneous equations  vs linear algebra.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it would be overkill to solve 2 simultaneous equations by using row reduction :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but in fact, that is how you are taught to solve them without the theory behind it.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sure, but that's how they usually introduce row reduction in linear, because it's small enough to actually see what you're doing'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'then it's 'hey, let's do more' and then it starts to make sense why you'd actually do that.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'What's a row reduction?'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'gaussian elimination'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'w/matrices'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fluffled Salvanas can't remember if he's learned that or not. =(
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but a) sometimes seeing the hard way first makes the easy way a lot more palatable.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'b) sometimes you don't really need the theory if all you're doing is solving a pair of linear equations.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'just look at what you do when you solve 2 equations, the operations are row reductions though you don't notice it.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'sigh, too long since I used any of that. Need to find some free time and re learn it :P'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'of course they are. and learning it with two equations is what really helps when generalizing to 3, 4, more in linear.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are told to re-configure your coefficients so that one of the variables disappears, that's row reduction at its most basic.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Ah. Gotcha.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'who do you think invented the Calculus for real, Newton or Leibniz?'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'both.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Casio invented the calculus'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, who was first... I think Newton peeked at Leibniz' notes :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'oh wait.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there was a lot less moving around then.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though they are both right'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but newton was working on it in the 1660s and leibniz discovered it in the 1670s, just newton was a tightfisted miser about publishing :D'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's just odd tht the guy who "discovered" gravity used a geometric model for the calculus.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'my old book here says 'In reality, the calculus is the product of a long evolution that was neither initiated nor terminated by Newton and Leibniz, but in which both played a decisive part.  Scattered over seventeenth century Europe, for the most part outside the schools, was a group of spirited scientists who strove to continue the mathematical work of Galileo and Kepler.  By correspondence and travel these men maintained close contact. ...'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but it really doesn't matter, they were both brilliant mathematicians.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I just wish they could have agreed on some fucking notation.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, the notation is a problem. I follow Leibniz', I think it's more elegant.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, Necro. I am sure that the development wasn't done in a closet, a lot of people had input.'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and when you consider differential equations there is no doubt which notation is better imo'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hm, well, I tended to use lagrange's notation there, but that's because my wrists cramp easily :D'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos goes, "Heh."
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, that's my preferred method also'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'he said "Heh!" gettim boys! (jk)'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wait, not Lagrange's, Leibnitz'... I cant stand all thosre f''''''
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'f superscript (n) works :P'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, true :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and especially when you're only working with a second-order'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'obvious somebody who works for their company and knows the basic guts that reduces that 200,000 lines of machine code to 20 or 30'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'like any economic venture, especially these abstract technologies integrated (or being) into every facet of human life, a solution is a problem to the 'need for the assistance' of the people who give a symptom treatment instead of a cure - 100+ year old lightbulb still burning'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'sloppy production makes money go round'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Necro, your argument is false, ignorant and makes no sense what so ever.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'thx'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'the nazis were cool'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if a cure got rid of a symptom income, the treatment is plainly to make the disease worse'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'the american and british govt used them as scape goats so they could test brain damage affects and disorders'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'where's the money in solutions?  the solution's in the absence of money stopping them all'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'money in what?'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the cure is out there, we must make sure to cherish the disease and live in ease from our pseudo-solution's with as many side effects as possible for alternative markets of confusion'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'either humans are intelligent destroyers and organized ignorance distributors, or else they're actually stupid enough to put a abstract device such as money before progress'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'were stupid'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'plain and simple'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'Japan has 10% of the world's active volcanoes...108 of them...if they concentrated on harvesting the energy from these surely they could become the powerhouse of asia. In the announcment of the PM that Japan would not be building more nuclear plants he mentioned taking up the slack with wind and solar, but didn't mention geothermal. I don't understand why they're not considering it as an option never mind the solution :/'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'china also has more money then any other place on earth'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that augustina mountain near alaska is the most active volcanoe in america, i wonder if they've tried geothermal there'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'note'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'mis'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'can i request a grant from MIT to up my campaign count to 696969 and increment my quest points to 800,000,000?'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Sure, go right ahead.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): .Faust Necroshine chases that crazy wabbit like a blood hound on the tail of the calico cat
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fastfinge: 'Isn't manga/anime just a transference of pedophilia from real children to child like drawings?'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nalimetta: 'What kind of manga have you been reading?'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'You're thinking of a specific subset of manga. You're also apparently thinking about fucking kids...'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fastfinge: 'I don't read manga at all. I just find some of the plots people discuss disturbing.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'The fuck are you on about, kiddie fiddler/'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Nalimetta snorts.
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'With my group of friends I never get off the cuff conversations about line drawn depictions of child rape...'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fastfinge: 'You obviously hang out with the wrong friends, then.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fastfinge: 'And it was a conversation of manga. I found it disturbing. Nobody else seemed to.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'Because a large percentage of the media doesn't involve child explotation? Sorry if this intterupts your fapping or booking a flight'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'the Japanese have always been a bit strange'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'must be the radiation'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nalimetta: 'Yes, by all means, let's throw racism into our child porn discussion'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'But they're not fat.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fastfinge: 'Rape Man. That's all I need to say about that. If that's legal, I feel free to discount the entire rest of the medium.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'Rape man was from the 80s and would be just as legal in the west'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Amazingly, there is still no law on the books against rape in Afghanistan. That's kind of stunning, I think.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'Japan > America, so far as populations people actually want to have sex with'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'not stunning at all'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ok, stunning to me, then.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'given the general ideology of the area's inhabitants, it's pretty expected'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Somehow I wouldn't have expected it, even if I should have.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'Even though it's patently false?'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'There are no laws against marital rape, if that's what you're talking about?'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Afghanistan's constitution guarantees equal rights for men and women, actually'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nalimetta: 'I think every time someone uses the debate channel there should be a trigger setup to immediately respond [citation needed]'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'Not bad, keeping in mind that the ERA will never pass in the states'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '(not that you specified which)'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, Jex, I heard a story on NPR a couple months ago saying that there's no law on the books against rape, and it didn't specify marital.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'the constitution that the extremely weak government whose laws aren't followed in half the country?'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'www.google.com'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fastfinge: 'Afghanistan's constitution was, for the most part, written by the United States. I doubt it is in any way related to what the population thinks, feels, or believes.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'The population doesn't have to think, feel, or believe it.  I'm sure there are parts of the US constitution that the population doesn't think, feel, or believe.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fastfinge: 'I'm sure. And they ignore them.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nalimetta: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Afghanistan is actually more interesting than I thought it would be'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'People ignoring it doesn't equate to people passing laws that contradict it.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'it's not ignoring it, it's people subscribing to a different model'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fastfinge: 'I'm not an expert in American politics, as I'm Canadian, but I'm sure I've read about states (and even the feds) passing various laws disallowed by the Constitution, and nothing getting done about it. Like the draft, when Vietnam was never officially a war.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'Hah, Canada is hardly a real palce'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fastfinge: 'If you're going to troll Jexebelle, at least try and avoid the typos.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'don't see what the US government model has to do with Afghanistan'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rhavage is quite fond of Canada. Wonderful wilderness canoeing.
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fastfinge: 'Neither do I. Wasn't me who brought it up.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'They're less attractive than even Americans. Meh canoes.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'My daughter is American and she seems to be quite attractive, heh.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'sleezing over your daughter?'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fastfinge: 'We're more international, though. Living in Toronto, I can have whatever nationality I want, without leaving the city.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'That ought to be beneath you, Fark.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'was the way you said it :-)'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nalimetta: 'Y'know, I was about to turn off debate because it was getting tired, and then someone called his daughter attractive.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'look, I'm sure you're perfectly happy having sex with your daughter. I just have a higher standard.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ok, let me rephrase that. The kid has never had trouble getting a date :P'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'cashwise.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'better :-)'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fastfinge: 'Maybe Rhavage reads too much manga?'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rhavage wouldn't know what manga is if he stepped in it.
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'I dunno, Japan, for all of it's sexyness, does make a lot of incest porn...'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'I read that. Uhm...in a book.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'What's sexy about Japan?'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '"A person who, through violence, threat, or deceit, violates the chastity of another (whether male or female), or initiates the act, shall be setenced to long imprisonment, not exceeding seven years"'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'directly from the afghan penal code'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'sounds like a law that prohibits rape to me'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fastfinge: 'Read that as afghan penis code, for a moment.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'No fat people + fishnets being acceptable daytime wear = sexy'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, it sounds that way to me, too, Leinei.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'and completely at odds with Taliban's extreme interpretation of Islamic law'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Tiny women with small boobs, not sexy to me.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'I've spent a lot of time in the public baths, there's some rockin tits'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'm afraid I need picture proof. :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'And the tiny girls make my dick look bigger than their bloated American cow-nterparts do'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'It's been my good fortune to have traveled much the globe (although never Asia, alas), and I've noticed that there are good looking women everywhere. Just everywhere.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'You've never been in the rural American South'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'It's like a wasteland of dead boners'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fastfinge: 'Accept antarctica.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Quite the snob, Jex. I've seen no end of beautiful American women. And in the rural south, too.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nalimetta: 'I'm there right now, actually.  Plenty of good looking girls.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Heck, probably 90% of all women in my age group are good looking enough I'll have sex with them If allowed.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'Not snobbish so much as good sex'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'Oh yeah, I would fuck some of them. But not introduce them to friends'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Although I must say that it's pretty hard to beat Capitol Hill in DC on a summer's Friday night. Looks like the Miss Universe pageant.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't want someone who looks like that, they are too spoiled.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'Prissy > fat.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Then...spoil them some more?'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Actually, it looks better than the Miss Universe pageant, since they're not all hidden under three pounds of makeup.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Having sex with a beautiful woman is like having sex with a dead fish.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Really? Bring on the fish!'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'You get paid $50 when you're done?'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There may be exceptions.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Could be exceptions, Ranrr, yeah ;)'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'There's actually a word that means the very thing in Japanese!'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'Maguro, the word for tuna, is a slang term for unresponsive partners'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Wow, I learned something useful today :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nalimetta: 'Best quick food: The little 10 cent microwave burritos, or ramen noodles?  Discuss'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'ramen noodles'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Spam.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nalimetta: 'Spam, also a good one.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'gammon'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'It embarrasses me how much I love Spam.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nalimetta: 'I'm leaning towards the burritos because I just ate one.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Rageragrage whinewhinewhine.  There, I've contributed.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Congrats.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gregor: 'u r all sux'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav beams with pride.
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Now you have contributed more than Saatai has in a week.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ealdwulf: 'Shh!  We don't want Saatai coming in here and perioding all over us'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'If she has been, she's been on it for 2 weeks, I'd see a doctor by then.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gregor: 'I have a feeling her monitor doesn't support this colour'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: '1+1=?'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'how large is your 1?'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: '10'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'haaha'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'binary that is :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'if one wants to build a town, where are there loads of available buildable areas? :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'too much land'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'is 1+1 = 4? :P'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'mawaha'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '1 + 1 = 2 for large values of 1.'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'haha '
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'if you're talking about 1 pair'
T3/r3/2011-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: '(x2 + x3) (X1-x2'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2240#comic'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'Dfdfd vs ddfdf'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Karkos sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'agreed'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'lolz'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'or ABCDEF'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they say modern russia's founded by a guy who gave his sons wife an abortion and then murdered his son when he complained'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_the_Terrible'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'shrug*...pattern....look at the roman empire'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'well it was an italian who built the cathedral of the assumption'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: ''splain....re cathedral/assumption....'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'drawing a blank...where?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'they were always good arch back then'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 're cathedral.....don't recognize'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'name/location'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'er....not name obv'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's the building where ivan the terrible was labelled the christ'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'meant to say...city/country'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'ah'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'necroshine i bought 20acres including mining rights :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they have one located a little way across the sea from singapore now, a block away from a chinese temple'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'will be helpful on jeopardy'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'coool'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'land auction in az :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'well im bidding, didnt win it yet :P'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'love mineral rights'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'if theres gold in them hills its a lot of $$$'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'got one in kentucky too'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and near the kremlin'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'looked up the local stories the other day'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'indian mines about here in tenn'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'or stories off'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'yeah yeah yeah....'of''
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'ask re osama'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'in orthodox russian would he be the christ, a christ or a bishop?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'prob christ'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'all religions have a 'savior' role'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'should he be crucified to fulfill the prophecies?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'most die via persecution'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 're the 'savior''
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe if every world leader got pinned to a pole today tomorrow would be resurrected'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'headed to hell either way'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Karkos grins evilly.
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah, that's comforting'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: ''tis alright'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'if they there....you can look down and laugh'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the holy ghost may be the promise of their eventual ends'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'if res is true....'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i can't recall seeing any immmortal vampires'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'based on peeps....hell is gonna be crowded'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if there is we should figure out how to remove all of the pigment from the matter on earth and let them all burn up like in blade'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '...and i'll be in charge of the thermostat *griN*'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'reps vs dems?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'reps'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'interesting'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'i wonder where meghan is talking about reps :('
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'last i saw was a PSA :P'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'havent seen her in awhile :('
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'the one beck made a fool of hiimself about?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Karkos grins evilly.
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'hell is a female whale in jonah's story, the state of islamic rule in the koran, the grave in the book of job, a garbage dump in another old testament story'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'love politics'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'esp currently'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'i didnt know he said that'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'outer darkness is different from hell and the bottomless pit'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'meghan is the normal one'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'dante?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'i wouldnt mind some arizona land :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'arizonaa is nice'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'make sure you don't have a fence on it'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the place where people get high on indian demon spirits?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '*duck*'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'just some immigrants with guns :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or is that a different place'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'nah im not looking at land byu the mexican border'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'good investment imo'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'mexican border land is bad, also the rio grande has oodles of pollution'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'hell....everything has pollution today....'less you head up the mountain'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and then the mountain explodes into a volcano or tips over on a fault line'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'life is a dice roll'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the devil is a priest'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'one of my fav movie lines....'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'even the mountains are polluted.  Mt. Everest is turning black from all the soot collecting on its glaciers.'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '...there's no normal life....'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: ''there's just life...'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'dare i ask....global warming?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'nope, global warming doesn't exist anymore.  Every agrees that climate change is happening, though.'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'global warming happens.....period'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'we all know earth goes through cycles'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '...and...imo....there's no way you can deny man affects'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'question is 'how much are we affecting it?''
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'do we need to buy some mexican land?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '...wait'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'mexico comes after'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'when it cycles the other way'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'Obama....2nd term?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'no'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'trump or romney'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'trump won't run'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'we will see :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'he'd never disclose his finances'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'just like obama wouldnt disclose his birth certificate?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i'm psychic'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'nah, by mountaintops.  That way, when the evil drillers poke too far into the Earth's crust and cause the tectonic oceans to well forth in inexorable flood you can grow rich by charging rent until the very end.'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'he will run ;)'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'we got republicans in da house'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'how much gold ya got?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'not much'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'nods....mine wld be borrowed anyway'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'pretty sure i'd double though'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '*duck*'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'i bought so much eq i ran out'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'bought a lot of pricey weapon and armor stuff'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'not yet here....just took a loan out from a good peep'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'in real life?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '1mil...but it goes fast'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i wish'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'or in here? :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'silver is better atm anyways'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'libya...yes/no?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'kk *evil grin*'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'k....pakistan....friend/foe?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'nuclear energy'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '2012?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'survivor?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'anti-gay bill in uganda?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'ground forces/ cia on ground in libya?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'new arizona fence?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'build the damn fence'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '*grin*'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'useless'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'if you ran into a fence...what wld do?...around?...under/over?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i say....let's get our money outta it'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'btw....need some/any people to help boycott walmart'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'i dont use walmart'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i'm also looking for any/some to help plant pot seeds'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'we have a target here, no walmart :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i hate walmart...'made in china''
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '..as a former employee during the 'made in america' campaign...i'm disgusted'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'need someone to help me re facebook though'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 're pot seeds'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'looking for peeps to plant any/everywhere'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '...'no seeds, no sticks, no stems......'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'hit debate :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'pimps'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i mean...how we get anywhere without discussion'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'actions'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'fi'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'cia is on ground in any country we have an embassy btw'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and also in the ones we don't.'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they closed the human rights office in that one russian state west of china'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'damn....obama is a pimp'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i wonder if they're in there or not'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'china is a gutterrat'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i bought 19 items the other day...'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i seen pic's of obama at a florida night club populated by swedish whores from a danish real estate website once'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if i'm not mistaken, it could have been somebody else i guess'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that pic came from that faux toe shop thing.'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'f the rich'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i'm soooo'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'disgusted with peeps'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'why?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'more, more, more!~'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i just fell that more is better'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah, probably photoshop'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'feel'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it takes an honest man to plug in 11 more oil wells a year after the mess that will murder the gulf of mexico for the next century or two'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'from britain analyzed in norway by the cia'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'according to studies, people who live in countries with significant government handouts have a more satisfactory life.'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'united nations = ww2 mafia whore - cult'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and global eugenics program'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'n ot enough hedonists today'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'sigh'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the rise of the synagogue of satan in israel and the anti-christ islamic saviour'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'no one knows what a hedonist is'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'don't mess with isr'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'why not'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'a hedonist is someone who lives to try new things and grumbles when he has to try them again.'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'nope...hit web'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i seen it on youtube'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'wiki prob has'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'sorry necro'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm scared of fast death versus slow death, being shot in the head is scarier than being burned at the stake'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'still got good taste in music...regardless'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so much to live for, ahhh, like rotting slowly'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'what!?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'fuck you and your god, i hope you both implode \:D/'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'atheist....fairy tales abound'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i like the one about fox and the grapes'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i like the one about how nice it was to exist before birth'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'does thaT have a moral?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'before birth?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'careful'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah, remember?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: ''fraid to say no'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'alzheimers is as close to tranquility as you can get on earth, it should be injected frequently into the food supply'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '...i swear'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'quit grabbin at nothin'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's about the extent of a memory without meat isn't it'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'told parents it might not be bad...'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'tripping every day?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'thAT'S good shit'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'period!'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'life's full of wonderful things, like death and dying'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and things to witness that you won't remember, sort of like before you were born'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'and everything inbetween'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'memory like a sieve'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'er...seive?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'wthe'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'vote boston rob off!!!'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'whatever, if a israeli claiming to be a jew murders me, i get to kill them 7 times in hell, or by their balance of moses 7 deaths appear'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'at least the killer loses his god , haha'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i declare allah!'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): .Faust Necroshine gets on his magic carpet and watches some lesbian porn
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'sorry ...was on phone with lover'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'll be waiting in the bush wish a shotgun'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'is and jew and killers?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'please don't'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i'll be hated for at LEAST a year'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'danger's everywhere, people go on commutes across canada and get their heads cut off on greyhound busses'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they're too eugenics minded to pout metal detectors on their buslines'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i know that but...'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'fart'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't trust anybody, everybody's my enemy'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'eugenics?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's organized murder of people based upon a biased selection protocol'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'first thought was euthanasha'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i butchered that'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'sort of like the protocols of the elders of zion'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'some people like to obsess over that'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'tis ok....in tn....some are dancing with snakes'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it was written by the cousin of charles darwin, which all of science revolves around today'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'trying to prove his theories correct and ignoring any counter-claims'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'showing their faith by tredding on viper'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'no need to prove'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'common sense'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'ah, the old jesus selflessness, pray in private and avoid posterity to be seen of by others as having faith'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and tempt not the lord thy god'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'tis prob with graduating in college'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and also, thou shalt live by every word which proceedeth from the mouth of god'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yes, rattlesnake christians sure got their heads on straight'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but every division of christianity is hypocrisy in some way or another'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'america calls itself a christian nation for instance, and ignores the gospels hebrew verse defining a jew, while acknowledging the holy deeds of the 'jew victims' in israel'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or is that romans'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what a joke'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'one nation under perverted religion'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'youre no perverte?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what does it matter if i am or not'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'you being hipocrit too '
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'run out debate bak...sorry'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you claim to be clean by your bible, i point out that you're not'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'at least i don't go poking my phallus into strange holes all day round'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'no 'religion'....bitches inserted it...even though...suppose to be sep church/state'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'do point fingers when you have your own faults to look at then'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'glass houses'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'my faults aren't as large as theirs'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '..always knew my windows were thicker thou8gh'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it is no longer i, but sin that dwelleth within me that sins'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so kiss my ass as it walks down the talking ass jerusalem street'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'promises, promises'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'any gay peeps?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'gay means happy in britain'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '...how about 'fag'?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'had a puff?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's how they roast their pork'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a fag is a piece of kindling'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'not re the way i use 'fag''
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'read The Return of the Native :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the lamb of god, and the bedlam of mary teh whore'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'no idea re the other defs'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'for she was a prostitute and many an insane spirit entered into her darkened shrine'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'fag = cigs'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'cigar'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are going to say that "fruit" is not something that grows on a tree because you don't use it that way.'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'shake...cigarettes'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'really?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'but...not sure re cigars'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'promise'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's a "modern" definition and its source is obvious, Karlos.'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'fag= cigarettes'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'jesus was a 3 day old abortion queefed out during a monthy pyriod, complete with semen samples of all people on earth cause she was a lady of liberty, enjoying penises of all nations'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'can i get a 2nd?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'always wondered if J was a magician'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i mean...if c.angel can levitate...'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '...well'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if only my dad hadn't slipped it out of my mothers ass, i could have been a shitling and done by now, instead i was left to uncle fester'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the snake whisperer'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'all good christians are born of the rectum'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'where did you go to school, Necro :>?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'a place where they picked on me as a child'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i was forced to kill them in my lucid dreams all day to remain sane, and subsequently failed all my classes in rebellion'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'same here, until I finally got tired and kicked someone's butt bad enough he never came back to school :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i turned to buddhism at a young age and fell into tantric karma with a succubi witch who consumed all my enemies with me'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'back...had to help dad'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and was cursed by a catholic warlock at age 7'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'nods'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '...but i'm winning!!!'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'where did meghan go :('
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'last tweet was about glen beck'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): .Faust Necroshine giggles.
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'don't re beck...i'm biting tongue now'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'never seen anyone that uses hate more than'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'mis *sigh*'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm of the cursed tribe of esau , the real jew, who fell from jehovah's left nuts into satans almighty jacob ladder'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '...have you heard the good word?''
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'the bird bird bird, bird is the word'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'don't go all kid rock on me now, you're giving me pipe dream flashbacks'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '...i said bird, bird, bird is the word'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I have a thing for succubi :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'there's a joke in there...always qualify 'pipe''
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i ate a dead pig for supper'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'does that make me a unclean thing'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it tasted alot like mushrooms'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'eaten a lot of 'pigs''
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'chicken'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '.. just a few more moments and i'll be dead, the holy ghost'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'holy pole here'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'soab'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'mis'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'bird bird bird, bird is the world'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '...you can't always get what you want.....'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'fly away evil tao bat, across the sea and into the scat'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'reminds me of bird on a wire'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'wanting nothing is liberation from mortal prison shells'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '...you get what you need!!'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '...ah yeah'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'death is liberation from birth'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if demons had skin, would you stab them?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i watched a movie about that one time'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i'm still alive'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'guy and his two boys go out and snatch people off the street to kill them cause they're demons, and in the climax the investigating cop was the last demon to be slain by the slayer of his brother'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i only seen it on the movie channel once, it was pretty cool movie though'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'ah'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'tired of big cable bills'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'matter of time'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '...and btw...'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'no 'made in china's'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'fuck walmart'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what's wrong with "made in china"?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'well'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'walmart's owned by 4-5 forbes top 20 billionairres from america'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's not their fault that they make all that money by slave labour in other countries and feed on you'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'not sure how our employees can compete at minimum wage when the chinese are spending 2 dollars an hour'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'not sure how our employees can compete at minimum wage when the chinese are spending 2 dollars an hour'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'not sure how our employees can compete at minimum wage when the chinese are spending 2 dollars an hour'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'not sure how our employees can compete at minimum wage when the chinese are spending 2 dollars an hour'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'not sure how our employees can compete at minimum wage when the chinese are spending 2 dollars an hour'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'not sure how our employees can compete at minimum wage when the chinese are spending 2 dollars an hour'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '2 dollars and hour means there is no american worker than can compete'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's all good, random acts of violence will whip the system into shape'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'boo china'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'the american worker can't compete with 2 dollars an hour'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: ''the american worker can't compete with 2 dollars an hour'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i bet the fake bomb parked in time square was put there by the government, and the guy who got charged for it's family was held hostage so he would'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'they can choose how to spend their money.. on american made products'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'can't compete though'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's a long shot, but i don't see it as beyond them'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '2 dollars (IF LUCKY!) can't compare to min wage'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so, chinese should not do commerce because the US has a higher standard of living?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: ''debate can't compete though'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'sorry re syn'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'tis fing me'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and keep in mind that the chinese don't sell their products at an outrageous price, the retailers in the us sell chinese products at an outrageous price.'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'sorry...fbuddy was on phone'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that 2 USD an hour translate in very cheap price for your product, but the US stores don't pass the cost savings to the consumers, they gauge them instead.'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'nods anarist'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'hell...they can make more money'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'fwalmart'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: ''made in america' my ass'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'sam is turning in hyis grave'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i watched a couple movies on keeping populations of sheep in control through random acts of violence in isolated cases, as enough resources aren't available to pose more than the power of suggestion'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'sorry...imo....we got a lot of resources with the exception of oil'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'every nation makes full use of its media to control peoples minds, america's not a nation full of perverted psychopathic killers for nothing'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'shall I?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'legalize the illegals!'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'real studies of how stalin used the media to program russian minds aren't available to the public'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is plenty of oil in the US, which is sold at the same price as if it came from Arabia... then one wonders why the price of oil is so high, if the US sold domestic oil at a discount, it would force the global prices down, but then they couldn't gauge the consumers if they did that, could they?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'gotta be fairly persuasive to generate enough support to murder 25 million ukrainian and russian citizens for you'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that media's sure not something that needs monitoring by responsible people'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'outsource it to australia and saudi arabia through jew-lin wall street connections'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'just south of africa, you know who knows best about what goes through your heads'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'bak...lag...parents'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm not sure what race the people claiming to be jews are'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what do you think?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'yeah parents suck :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'cept meghans'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'yeah yeah yewah...living in the basement'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'anglo-saxxon mercenary's, bastard offshoots of romanian empires?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'my parents are pimps *grIN*'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'no hypoc here'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'pimps get bullets in their heads when people wake up and realize they're being slow-fucked by the government that protects the pimps'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'in absence of the sacred, a good old butcher knife will do'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'oh hey, my daughter wants to go to school but has to spread her pussy flaps to pay the teacher'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lets legalize murder'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'if she had to...re graduate...?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'prob?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'or is she determined?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't care if you're 12 feet tall and weigh 2000 lbs'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's ways to kill your fat face'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'whew!'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'everyone dies'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'one thing guaranteed for all!!'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'anyone? anyone?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'bueller? bueller?'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not true, quantum mechanics predicts that there is an statistical chance that someone will live forever.'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'blank economics'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'no faith'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i have faith that god will always let me down'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'just a matter of getting the math right to disprove'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'no god about *duck/hide*'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and the devil will only adhere to my deviant thoughts once in awhile for kicks'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'cowboys from hell'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'good album'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'pant'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'saw with skid row on skid's 2nd alb'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'sounds bitching, beg for the bone'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'did you'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'nods'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'saw skid when opened for jovi too'
T3/r3/2011-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'went out and bought album next day'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'ever find it funny how established religions have seers of visions and see invisible people among other things, and how they're allowed to exist in the world, but anybody showing symptoms of this same phenomenon is labelled mentally ill?'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'does this inquire every religious establishment into the doctrine of instability?'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what makes you so sure your prophet wasn't seeing satan or a devil angel instead of a holy angel or god?'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'has he seen many before and one shone brighter than the others?'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'faith?  lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'honest lookin world, anything it writes has to be true'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but my parents were deceived too, i have to believe as well or else i might not be under the same lie in death'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'life in death?'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'pulse of the maggots'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't know, and neither do i assume you do'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'nothing seems to be the answer'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'big blank called god by some'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'small blank called satan by others'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the coffer and the pauper know their roll'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'with no threat, there is no need for government police, did that escape the kings view?'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag False flag (aka Black Flag) operations are covert operations designed to deceive the public in such a way that the operations appear as though they are being carried out by other entities. The name is derived from the military concept of flying false colors; that is flying the flag of a country other than one's own. False flag operations are not limited to war and counter-insurgency operations, and can be used in peace-time.'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'polish tricks'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'sacrifice the fattened calf and spray its blood about the tabernacle of the lord in sanctifying ritual'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's good grounds for calling bullshit on anything historians or preachers preach'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lets see them back up their claims with repeated history'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'go build me a pyramid'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'whip the slaves into shape, or rather, their children that were calved into our cages'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i believe the world is ran by a few people and nation's are all frontends to their plots'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe with satan behind them all or his legion of spiritual demons'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'each division of the echelon on various levels of knowledge and planes of existential understanding differing fro the next, inclusive of the lower but exclusive of the higher'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'hussein's children probably weren't all killed , sort of like stalin's comrade who was to shoot himself if he wanted his family to live, or osama bin ladens absent children they're currently talking over'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'all in on various levels of the game'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'administrative positions in society, guaranteed to exist another generation behind a human shield of ignorance'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'people seem to pretend that's not the way things are though, i see through their falsehood'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'take Smogee for instance, interesting fellow'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'http://www.geology.iupui.edu/SMOGEE/index.htm'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'god damn, i'm like a tier 9 smogee'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'etymology, estonian smog?  .ee'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what do you figure'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'think like a military acronym'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what does the winepress of god look like?'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'life insurance?'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how about the great threshingfloor '
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'do the flames of the sun know they're on fire?'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'seas of slaughter, fields of slaughter, till the ground in harrowing torment, from the dust wast thou taken to the dust shalt thou return, born of smokeless fire, born of clay'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'a hole in a hole, a stabound in space'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's a hole in the sky they say'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'where's a bottomless pit?'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'does it contain space in it?'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'which way is up in space?'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'down to earth?'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the dragons nest'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'was hesbollah ballin?'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'debate Behold, the Lord will cast her out, and he will smite her power in the sea; and she shall be devoured with fire.  Ashkelon shall see it, and fear; Gaza also shall see it, and be very sorrowful, and Ekron; for her expectation shall be ashamed; and the king shall perish from Gaza, and Ashkelon shall not be inhabited.  And a bastard shall dwell in Ashdod, and I will cut off the pride of the Philistines.'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'Zechariah 9:4-6'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what's your time-frame or interpretation of this schizophrenica freudian algebrist?'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what i don't get is how come they flaunt their military around, and are too cowardly to take care of their own citizens and make sure they've got something to do in a day and have some sense of satisfaction with their secured existance, yet rely on monetary stupidity for guidance (exhibit a) (b) all the rest is dandruff on this question (c) false flags resorts (d) world of lies :o that's what i see, maybe i'm not hypnotized in the same way as you'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'any input?'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'are you talking about the US specifically?'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i live in canada, so i'm more informed about here, but looking into the crystal ball media machines it seems everywhere is the same'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'big tough militaries and shit living conditions for the average citizens'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'no purpose to their lives, no way to earn anything, nothing to work towards'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'welcome to Feudalism 2011'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'joining the military to defend the absence of justice in the homeland'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wasn't it that way in the days of Nobles and fiefdoms?'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what a pointless shit that is, they only get fuel by saying it's worse somewhere else'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or cause the odd one likes to kill people'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'hence, false flag resorts'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'from the rich man's point of view, the world is overcrowded... there has to be a balance between having enough servants to keep you rich and comfortable and too many servants that eat up your profits in maintenance.'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'look at what we do over here, wow, lets defend against our own deeds with your lives'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you think if a real threat to their false world governments ever existed they would hesitate to attack it?'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'read up on how pacifist they are on issues that actually affect the living conditions of their own citizens'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the infinite ignorance of money'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you only say that because you are one of the have-nots :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'only things i ever see eagerly pursued are those which removed their freedoms for the next generations to come'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the serfs' freedom not the masters'...'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i always seen the world as a concentration camp, they claimed i have a difficult time concentrating and put me on ritalin though, false diagnosis of course'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'when i die, i'll make sure i follow nobody'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it seems to me, Necro, that you are of the belief that even though the world is screwed up there is no grand design behind the problem. The truth is that we are in the poop we are in because that is where they want us, always have and always will.'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'not at all, i want to see their faces and them to be corrupt openly so that everybody can see the people who enslave them and turn them into dogfood'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you could only see their faces if you were one of them otherwise you are not in a position to look up that high.'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if they're under the sky then they can be crushed, and if spirituality exists there must be ways to beckon it to do the crushing'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm an optimistic destroyer pessimist with signs of sporadic insultation aligning my neurocular display case for psychonautical metastatic analyses'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm glad nobody knows it all all, not even them'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, they are are mortals, the problem is you have to run the gauntlet first and it is not meant to be survivable.'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'plants communicate through mysterious ways, maybe humans can do the same - teach them how to die a little faster'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'erase a certain piece of them from teh face of the earth like a congregation of demons amusing witches at a brunch'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"[13 May 03:25:32] (Debate) Necroshine: 'when i die, i'll make sure i follow nobody'"  yet you currently follow several masters'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'do your special people have security devisings up against all the possibilities under the sun?'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's a difference between following somebody and figuring somebody out'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'love?'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'debte you are decades from where i am'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'says the russian cosmonaut who claims to be ahead of the speed of time'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'No, that guy is shit stupid'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'mis'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'unless extremely intelligent, you shall likely never arrive (in this lifetime or until very old) where i am, unless somebody publishes a guidebook'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'does that duality deserve a response?'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'Duality is in itself a feedback loop of response.'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"ignorance is not bliss"'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'Are you unhappy?'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the sideways 8 with a pole through the middle and a circle at the top separated by a bar'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you have to be fairly stupid to find happiness in this pile of shit'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'symbols by man or men are merely symbols'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2240'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's my humble opinion'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'Try waking up to sex then have breakfast.'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'Will completely perk up your outlook'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or do both at the same time'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i came out of one of those idolized holes according to darkness of birth, they could all be siren's in crocodile skin though'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'pop back into one for a visit, they're pretty great'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'to a wannabe philosopher, unprotected sex may be deadly'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you might have to hold your nose, though :>|'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'siren succubi'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'Xyliz, when and if you ever have sex you can rejoin this segment of the conversation'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'Till then, the adults are talking. About poon.'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'on the other hand, sex makes one optimistic chemically, so the optimism can be disregarded.'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'perhaps virginity is next to Godliness'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'Well, there you go. You've got something to be proud of.'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'look at what unvirginity causes, i think you may be correct'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'who wants to live in this pile of trash?  every 30 seconds somebody kills themself according to a guesstimate i just made'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'deforestation devastation'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it would be worse if no one died, Necro.'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine is quoting some of his masters on music'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine listens to his masters mp3s'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they're synonymous with some of my reasoning patterns, i find alot of music that thinks like me'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'brainwashed by mp3s into those patterns'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'like hell, i've been watching for becoming brainwashed since i was a kid, always looking for their motives and noticing their falsehood's, and later on finding meanings to mysteries'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Pavlov trained a dog to salivate obediently to the sound of a bell'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i taught my dog to laugh at authority, so nobody can trick him easily'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'he's not dumb though'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'perhaps CDs and mp3s trained Necroshine to rave rant and rabble-rouse obediently to the rock groups aspirations for money and fame and zombie-like followers'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah, that must be it'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what the hell are you talking about, Xyliz?'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm a programmed zombie robot'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz is a deprogrammer
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'heh, Necro, debating and gqing at the same time :) gratz'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'ty'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'And being far more enchanting than the posers biting your lines.'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so i figured out that they released info that can be used to place video camera's into every side-stepping imported foreignly produced technological gadget that is used among other things, unadvertised and deliver the signals on frequencies not limited to the internet or airwaves, even using power supplies in some cases, strange static electronical monitoring software, each with an individual PIN and a ledgered registrar of purchasing based upon the accumulated panopoticon knowledge database - and backed by one of the hundred thousand supercomputers they don't report having existed until recently'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they'd be able to take a little peek into whoever they want i guess, maybe you should ask them who they be xyliz'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that could all be assumptions though, i found the articles detailing the scientific abilities'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'mass-production as nothing'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe they haven't gone that far yet'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the mark of the beast technology chip is a new fad with the conspiracy theorists, and mythbusters implanted one in their heiffers arm on one episode'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'was that offensive?  collateral metaphors, the dog is worthy of the crumbs which fall from the table'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'THE CAT MADE IT ALL THE WAY FROM NEW MEXICO TO DETROIT CITY AND WAS FOUND 9 MONTHS LATER TANKS TO THIS WONDERFUL CHIP!  NEVERMIND HOW IT CROSSED THE THOUSAND FUCKING HIGHWAYS '
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's a bit of problem child logic gates used there, for your brainwash metaphysiology assumption logic gates, if you ever seen the dog who's a good pooper'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'again, i think this is appropriate: http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2240'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'ALBERTA NEWS FROM EDMONTON: CAR SURFING IS BAD MMM'KAY, UTUBE VIDEOS OF CHILDREN ON HOODS OF CARS HAVE COPS WONDERING WHETHER O NOT TO PRESS CHARGES!!!!  (Korea bought out Dairy Queen Franchise) COMMERCIAL:  MOTHER GETS ON HOOD OF CAR AROUND A MOUNTAIN BEND REACHING FO THE BACK OF THE WONDERFUL SLUSHY TRUCK MAKING ITS TRIP TO THE STOER!'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'NOTHING TO SEE HERE , THESE ARE UNRELATED EVENTS'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you already have my ip from this webserver, why i need to give it to that one'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir raises an eyebrow.
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'state your point of what's appropriate about it'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's a comic strip. just read it'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'is charlie sheen talking about warlocks or the other word around?'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no charlie sheen, but it illustrates what you're talking about'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'wow that is funy'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i know'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i provided data for alot of khans piracy program's that i observed'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'sure you did'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so that last picture's not working well to fit me hahahah'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'reality speaks for itself, gleek'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'like the cops know the gang down there's doing nothing but smuggling cocaine and murdering people for money, but they let their clubhouse around cause they have no evidence, that's how they know'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'oh wow, did wall street just walk away with 4 billion dollars of fraudulent real estate bullshit?'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'money's all shit anyways, who cares '
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'like i said, canada should nuke that ugly city from hell'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but unfortunately our prime minister meets with murdoch who meets with obama in new york'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'according to the internet'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'can't you just assume that people are dicks? you don't need illuminati in that picture'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'who said anything about illuminati?'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'lizard people, cthulhu, etc. i don't remember who your favorite was'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'is that some egotistical label they want their observers to place upon them, I am Murdoch-hotep, the angel of Abaddon the second of ISIS-Ra'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm more of a totalist, schizo-phrenic god with meat puppets and elemental representations of psychic phenomenon leaner'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but lizard people can spin into my web too if i like or your octopussy faced beast from the craft'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'satan puppets god puppets'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'mind/matter like, mind/matter/mind/matter'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the intelligent space and the mindless rocks within it'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'sort of like your dreamscapes'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'close your eyes and visualize how real those visions are'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'pretty fake huh, ever tried to split your mind in two and see yourself twice?   pantera considered it in a song, as xyliz would observe'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it doesn't work if i'm not high'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but yes, i've been split into two'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and worse'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but i ate too many psilocybe semilanceata's'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'was pretty intense'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so was world war 2, i never even got to see it'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'we need a 3!  '
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lets cleans the illimunati reptile lords'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'crocodile gods and hippo gods'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm just joking, like abraham lincoln ducking in your comic strip'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lets go chase the dairy queen truck now'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the holy cow hath spoken'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: '80 men were killed by a suicdie-bomber in Pakistan.'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'isnt that sort of morning greeting there?'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'SUP neighbor bam!'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'guts and brains on phone pole.'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'as hitler was said to be catholic, which is a sect of christianity, he would have had to include himself in the gospel's definition of jew in his eradication of jewish people as his driving motivator - while we see that book published in 1940 from new york and don't seem to have recorded timelines of the first genocide of israeli descendents as deemed by him'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but they do say that in 1933 stalin murdered over 10,000,000 ukrainian civilians, and roughly 15,000,000 of his own people'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's before their war with germany'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how many israeli descendents were among the bunch exterminatede by him?'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'think of it without your racist goggles on'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'did they even have DNA testing back in nazi germany days?'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'do you think they had the ability to determine who's of a certain descent, besides church records?'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'was hitler uninformed by the catholic church the definition of jew of the flesh and jew of the spirit?'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'all questions that everybody's afraid to ask, cause they're born condemned for somebody elses crimes'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'http://library.flawlesslogic.com/massrape.htm think on it http://www.ihr.org/books/kaufman/perish.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany_Must_Perish! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dachau_concentration_camp (who can verify?) American troops guard the main entrance to Dachau just after liberation http://www.enotes.com/genocide-encyclopedia/stalin-joseph http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor (killing by hunger)'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/29/60minutes/main614728.shtml America's Deep, Dark Secret Bob Simon Reports On Hundreds Of Thousands Of Warehoused Kids'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Necroshine posts to the rousing tune of "Happy Days are here again" ..'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'Mr. Black is the author of IBM and the Holocaust and the just released War Against the Weak: Eugenics and America's Campaign to Create a Master Race, from which the following article is drawn. http://hnn.us/articles/1796.html'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'try to piece together the lesser of two evils, cause and effect, who tells you what you know, what is to be believed and what is apparent'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'nah, it's blasphemous to believe it was german civilian's being burned in the camps set up by america to burn them in'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'in part'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i mean , they have a proven track record of not doing such things here in history reported, sort of like russia too'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'multi-ethnic populations are common in israel after all, there's no master race theology repeating itself there'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they had maps to jerusalem inscribed on floors of churches since 500 add etc, in absence of a pilgrimage to the holy city'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what's new jerusalem?  jesus seemed like a pretty racist fellow didn't he'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gregor: 'new jerusalem is figurative'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'thalidomide aliens started appearing around 1947, miraculously they are possibly not a fabrication of fallen weather balloons like thousands of palestinian children flying kites which the guiness book of world records didn't record'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gregor: 'what is your point?'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the guiness book of world records staff appears to be racist, and alien's as h.r. giger professes in his 'art' seem to be products of evil chemists who run the drug market today'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Guiness is irish'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Whites are #1'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'necroshine, i have another comic for you: http://www.robandelliot.cycomics.com/archive.php?id=425'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'Charlie Chaplin's Great Dictator's Final Speech - (Oct.1940) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIjSnaa22oo'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'nice comic dagnir'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir nods.
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '145168'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'GE Interest PLUS (vestment 1.26%) vs capital one 1.21% FDIC insured '
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'insurance?  :P'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: '$10,000 for land vs $1,000 for land, swampland vs good land, :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: '.2 acre lot 85k round here'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'parcel in necroshine valley vs parcel in Grexo Valley, debate :P'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'yeah where i am its a lot more'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'i dont even have an acre'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'i dont even own the land'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'the building does'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they came from oil seas and bought out all of the families that made this land inhabitable and farmable for dirt cheap, and won't be selling their purchases back any time ever'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'parcel of land around the relatively new city of calgary sells for 20 million dollars + for 150 acres'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'once business starts booming around here, be the same stuff, real estate oil bandits'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'people from overseas probably own more of canada than canadian citizens'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they're dual citizens though, in some cases, or have diplomatic immunity to security clearance'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'nevermind how they got that 80 trillion dollar bank account, it's the abstract money in the bank that matters, who cares if 100 billion people over the course of 8 centuries perished for this wealthy fellow coming to invest in your future, think of the candycains'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'human sacrifice is older than egypt, the gods are hungry and so is the temple of money'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Wow. I left when you were railing against elites like... 3 weeks ago, come back, and you're still at it. Logging into Aard always feels like coming home... if I lived in Jesse Ventura's "Conspiracy Theory".'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't see what's so leet about them'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and i don't even know who the real them is, so how can i against nobody'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Because you're a nut, nuts don't need targets, they need vague concepts. They're the best to rail against because vague concepts can't defend themselves.'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'pin_number+=3000000000000000000'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'jesus, we have a satanic miracle, may marigolds abound in your luxurious GMO farmlands'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Thankfully man, you're an adorable nut.'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's a sign from the messiah, the rabbonic temple hath infiltrated the banks security systems'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'never mind you how i got my money, i'll invent that as time goes by, just take the candy like a good little boy and ask me again later'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Well, what's your stance on Jesus images in Grilled Cheese? Sign of the messiah, or multi-national corporate conspiracy to control the masses using religious-based food products?'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't have one, but king george made some tasty sandwitches'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Hey man, King George was a saint. He had a stutter.'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Don't you give him any of your backsass or he'll whoop your as...a...a..as...ass'
T3/r3/2011-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'Xyliz it wouldn't be a waste of "Goverment Funds" it's a waste of taxpayer funds'
T3/r3/2011-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'US refineries are at 81% avg capacity right now, and gas supplies in storage have increased by 4% so far this year.  Oil supplies in the US pipelines and storage tanks have also increased by almost 3%, North America oil consumption is projected to be down by 100,000 barrels per day this year.'
T3/r3/2011-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The CEO of Exxon said at a congressional hearing that the price of oil should be around 65-70 based on current global supply and demand, but because of speculation on wall street the price is almost double.'
T3/r3/2011-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'beyond the price per barrel, what fraction of the price at the pump is made up of taxes'
T3/r3/2011-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'I know our state piles it on'
T3/r3/2011-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Scientists have found that a gene linked to diabetes and cholesterol is a "master switch" that controls other genes found in fat in the body, and say it should help in the search for treatments for obesity-related diseases.'
T3/r3/2011-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'have you seen any of the FEMA stockpiles?'
T3/r3/2011-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'aside from the rusting-away trailers?'
T3/r3/2011-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'yeah, other then that catastrophe'
T3/r3/2011-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'the large black mass graves?'
T3/r3/2011-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'err caskets'
T3/r3/2011-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'posted on youtube and discussed on the internet often, world population control and sitting ducks'
T3/r3/2011-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'coffins or the other type?'
T3/r3/2011-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'large plastic coffins.  they are storing tons around the new madrid fault area '
T3/r3/2011-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'looks like they are made to hold 2-3 bodies'
T3/r3/2011-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'seems furnaces would be a better solution :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'sure looked like coffins to me, maybe it was a monkey study done somewhere else and printed through the UN-monitored international internet to bring mistrust of the government of every nation's government into the hearts of their citizens'
T3/r3/2011-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'can you imagine how expensive it would be to run a police state if you had to bury people in mahogany caskets in individual graves?'
T3/r3/2011-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'well, it makes sense.  When New Madrid ruptures for real again, there are going to be tons of dead bodies.'
T3/r3/2011-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but if they don't consider things such as clean policy, why would they be trusted in the first place?'
T3/r3/2011-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'surely once you look at the economic side of it, the FEMA solution is better'
T3/r3/2011-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'no doubt dokkar, especially if it happens with the mississipi flooded like it is'
T3/r3/2011-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'if it's like the last new madrid earthquake the earth will open up amd swallow people'
T3/r3/2011-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the area in general is kinda wet normally, so when that big one happens all that water is going to get shaken loose.  Basically you're going to get a metro-sized pit of quicksand.'
T3/r3/2011-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'some say a new much larger gulf of mexico, i live in Arkansas, and need to get a bigger boat'
T3/r3/2011-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they say the japanese government gave individual burials to every body they found after that earthquake, alot nicer than some pictures the poster claim came from haiti'
T3/r3/2011-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'whomever doesn't just disappear and drown in mud is likely going to have large objects (buildings, cars, trees, etc) fall on them when their respective supports give way.'
T3/r3/2011-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'nah, if the 1812 series didn't make a bigger Gulf, then this next series isn't going to either.'
T3/r3/2011-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'a old guy at work told me about the last large new madrid quake, where the river flowed backwards for a few days'
T3/r3/2011-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it did.'
T3/r3/2011-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that fracking job sure looks like it doesn't do much good for the world'
T3/r3/2011-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what do you think?  lots of money in it though'
T3/r3/2011-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'made the mississipi run backwards for a while...interesting there was a comet that vanished the time of the quake'
T3/r3/2011-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'yeah, flammable water and massive earthquakes.  sounds like a great job, heh'
T3/r3/2011-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'anywho, most of the southern illinois Metro East area (ie, near St. Louis, MO) is going to fall into giant pits created when the old coal mines give way.'
T3/r3/2011-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'a few areas are already falling in and had to be abandoned, before any seismic activity has occurred.'
T3/r3/2011-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'somehow it's not obvious to governments of people that they have a problem that needs to be fixed'
T3/r3/2011-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that makes me think that all governments of people are operated by the same group of people'
T3/r3/2011-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, the problem is obvious.  It's the cost of the solution that balks everyone.'
T3/r3/2011-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'the powers that be want population control, it may be intentional'
T3/r3/2011-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'nobody wants to move, everyone wants a home, and nobody really wants to pay for anything.'
T3/r3/2011-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Memphis, being much closer to the fault than any other major metro zone, is just going to disappear.  A midwest ground zero all our own, basically.'
T3/r3/2011-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if the cost isn't FEMA camps and population control, then what is it?'
T3/r3/2011-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'i think most people don't mind spending money, they just don't have any to spend'
T3/r3/2011-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if your house gets flooded, and a million other houses get flooded, do you wait for the insurance adjuster to tell you it's ok to return home, while all the hotels are either flooded or full?'
T3/r3/2011-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'i hope the gov. has enough sense to decommision the reactors in US earthquake zones...they're all major disasters waiting to happen'
T3/r3/2011-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i see toyota commercials offering a 3 year no interest rate, maybe even a very little downpayment plan on their vehicles on tv, how many people will go and buy themselves a toyota thinkin they struck it rich and then what will happen to the dollar in 3 years time?'
T3/r3/2011-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'Quest vs Level'
T3/r3/2011-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'The dead zone around Fukushima is expanding with a further 7700 evacuees shipped away from their homes yesterday...this beautiful and once productive region of Japan may become permanently uninhabitable :('
T3/r3/2011-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'Japan has had a gutfull of nuclear and is now considering less dangerous ways to boil water. If only the rest of the world could learn from their tragedy.'
T3/r3/2011-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Where's all my crazy mofos at?'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'Donald Trump wont announce?'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'he was such a tease if this is true'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'it's well known that he's shy'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'i guess its mitt romney then'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Ron Paul!'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'too bad he has no real chance to win'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'trump dropped out '
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'mitt romney is left, thats it'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'mitt romney vs ron paul'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'at least the gop is getting out early with candidates'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'd vote for ron paul'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'trump is just a nutjob'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'ron paul is the only hope for sane government'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a not job or he was told by the big boys to get out or else.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'nut*'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It would be nice if everyone else dropped out, so you could contrast Paul and Obama..'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yankistan is a bizarre place. afaik there are many people who might have actually voted for trump'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'gotta get the CFR people out of the executive branch'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'last I saw Trump was leading the polls.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'if nothing else, I'll have half a year where, whenever I want to be entertained, I can read reams of hilariously pathetic lies from US msm..'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'exactly, Dagnir. He would not have won the election but he would have taken away votes from someone the powers that be wanted elected, hence the "get out or else".'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly.
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'mind boggling'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i know that saying "americans are idiots" is lame, but c'mon, you'd vote for trump'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'all's well, though.  The Tea Party caucus founder's running.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'welcome to US politics :) Where even dead people get to cast their votes :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'dead people, pets (they have to serve on juries, too), and babies'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Some people would vote for Trump. Not nearly enough.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i was just told that he was leading the polls'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'didn't fact check tho'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'last I saw, is what I said'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'He didn't just drop out because he was ahead.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'or, you know, voting for 3 bush administrations'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as I said, he was probably told to drop out and live the games to the proper people.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'leave*'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's still fucking insane'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I could have lived with Huckabee. I don't agree with him very often, but I think he's honest and follows his conscience.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the guys a nutjob'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'guy's*'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that too, but not stupid enough to die for the cause :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Huckabee is overweight and thus not as smart as before'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'lol, and he was dumb to start with'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Churchill was overweight, too, and seemed pretty sharp.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i don't understand american voters. with few exceptions they always vote for the nutjob'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ealdwulf: 'keeps things interesting'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'also the shift in "wings"'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, we don't have a lot of options, since you pretty much need to be crazy to want to be president.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what can one say? He belived in the american dream which is that if you have enough money you can have anything you want. There happens to be a higher coin than the USD, though, as he has probably learned now.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'our far-right parties would be considered communist in the states'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Where's that, Dagnir?'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'estonia. same thing with most european countries'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you don't accept the established order you are considered a communist in the US. The fabled commie pinko fink.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, I forgot to add hippie... commie pinko hippie fink'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it boggles my mind that you actually have to get permission to vote in the states. or register. same thing'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'The US is just too big now. Imagine running a country of 300 million people. The only two countries in the world with larger populations are China -- one party -- and India, which is not exactly a tight ship.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in the US you are "free" to criticise the government, though if you do you must be a subversive in the employ of the former (but still scary) Soviet Union.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i think it was bill maher who said that the american left winged moved to the center and the right wing moved to the lunatic asylum. it's a good description'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'hell, my birth certificate is issued by the soviet union and the u.s. politics scares me'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'All in all, this isn't exactly a terrible country to live in.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Ghengis Khan abd Atilla the Hun would have been considered liberals in the US.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'with all the bullshit about "freedom" and other bollocks'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you said it'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nocturnus: 'you people have no idea what you are talking about and i'll leave it at that'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, really, Nocturnus? Enlighten me, please. Tell me that protestors don't get jailed in the US. That the IRS does not harrass dissidents...'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I'd say that the US is a pretty free country. You can say, think, or read what you want. You have unlimited mobility (both geographically and, if you're talented enough, professionally), and the standard of living is comfortable.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that's true'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'disagree'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but the fact is that the u.s. is less free than europe, for example'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'if i had mobility i would be worth a ton and would be able to move'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'in fact there is 0 mobility'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '"better than pakistan" does not equal "u.s. is #1"'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'You know this for a fact, Dagnir? I've lived in both the US and in Europe and there isn't all that much to choose from between them.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'also, more people in jail than in china etc'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, Rhavage. Mobility is not the same as freedom, though. Especially since you can still be tracked. Besides, there is a difference between freedom and degrees of freedom which is what "pretty free" actually means.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'europe is not a country, rhavage'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'People were also able to travel in the former Soviet Union and you would not call them free...'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i was a stupid kid when my country was occupied by the soviet union. can't make personal comparisons'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Yes, Dagnir, I realize that. But for those of you who think that America is some sort of police state, all I can tell you is that I think you're incorrect.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no, not really'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the Soviet Union was not a police state either if you just got up in the morning and went to work retuning at the end of the day. The police state aspect only comes in when your actions are noticed by those in power.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Do you live in the States, Ana?'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, i don't know any european countries that run warrantless wiretaps'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you stand at the corner of Main and State in Anytown, USA and start telling the people what is wrong with the US (let's say for the sake of the argument that the claims are not valid) and you will have the government investigating you.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'anaristos, that's only because the states wants to make sure you're safe'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and let's not forget the facilities in Gunatanamo which were set up to bypass US law.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and that the children are safe'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'why are you complaining? do you have something to hide?'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'communist!'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't need to have my bank account monitored in order to have my children feel safe.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Every country that signed on to the Geneva Accords currently does something to knowingly break them.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Don't know what to tell you guys. I'm almost certainly rather older than you and have had the good fortune to have lived in both the States and in NL, and to have traveled much of the world. Is the US a perfect country. No. Far from it. Is it a bad country. Hardly. It's actually quite a good country.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and certainly don't need cameras taking videos of every act one makes in public.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure it is a good country if you keep your head in the sand.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I've never kept my head in the sand, Ana, and I've never had the government try to cow me.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'besides no one has said that the US is a bad country all that has been said is the that the government don't treat its people as freely as it claims or as freely as its constitution demands.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Ana's just mad because his idol was recently caught with a huge porno stash.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I hve no idol, sorry.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Just out of curiosity, where do you live, Ana?'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I have a residence in Santa Monica, though I am seldom there.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Thanks for almost answering the question.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what else do you want, the street address?'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the zip code is 90202, you get no more than that.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'No. I want to know where you live. You can have residences all over the world if you've got the means.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oops, sorry :) 90402 :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'For example, I live in Lansing NY, which is just north of Ithaca.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i also don't understand how the 2nd amendment is more important than the 4th'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'And also in DC, when I can.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'my job keeps me away from my residence, I live out of a suitcase except for a few days a year.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it seems that the 4th doesn't exist any more'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I don't either, Dagnir.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the 4th doesn't generate nearly the revenue that the 2nd does :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rhavage misses Washington DC very much indeed, when he thinks about it.
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I would miss DC too if I lived in the NE'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or NW, I suppose.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I bet some people wish they could get out of DC and escape the murders and other assorted crimes.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, upstate NY is nice. Different sort of living. Rural, woodsy. Lots of dairy farms, lots of vineyards in my area.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'DC is much safer than you might think. The crime is localized. The nice neighborhoods (and there are many of them) are safe.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, I've been to Poughkeepsie :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so, what ever happened to 4th amendment?'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'imho it's the best one after 1st'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ah, down in the Hudson Valley. That's kind of the dividing line between upstate and downstate.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'it got amended.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'which one is the 4th?'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, the nice neighborhoods are nice because the government buildings are nearby. I am willing to make the safe bet that the "bad" neighborhoods are not as well patrolled as the "nice" neighborhoods.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nebmaatre: 'search and seizure.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I guess my official response would then be "What 4th amendment?"'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ana, DC is not a tiny city. There are quite a few nice neighborhoods in DC that are nowhere near the federal district.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i think it's the official response of the government as well'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'heck, DEA can already sieze your house just because a gangbanger on the lam was tackled in your front yard and had crack on his person.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I may not be an expert on a lot of things, but I'm an expert on what is where in WDC. I was a fire and EMS dispatcher there and a universal calltaker at 911. I know pretty much every street and alley of that town.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I know how big DC is, I go there often. The point is that there is less concern for the citizen who lives in the "bad" neighborhod as there is for the ones that live in the "nice" neighborhoods. The government might deplore the drug trade in DC but it won't do anything about it unless the dealers start selling openly in Lafayette Park in the same way the openly sell in other places.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'is what they say that WDC is now less than half black true?'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the majority of the residents of DC are black.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Not quite, Dokkar. But the demographic has definitely shifted dramatically. The city is now about 45-47% white.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'what about baltimore?'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I would be to cynical if I said that that is the reason the "bad" neighborhoods are not tended the way the "good" neighborhoods are, which is where the white minority lives.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'was that from '10 census?'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I don't know Baltimore as well, sorry. '
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'That is a very large minority these days, and getting larger every year.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Your mom is a large minority'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'iirc baltimore had the highest murder rate in the states. or maybe 2nd'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'A 3000-lb minority'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'No, Dokkar. That's the current estimate.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, Friendship Heights is in Maryland but it's not filled with blacks so it is a "safe" neighborhood :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but hey, my knowledge comes from watching the wire :P'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I just read in a black-centric newspaper in a piece about deteriorating black neighborhoods that mentioned that DC was now less than half black.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, it *might* be less than half black now, but I sort of doubt it. But many blacks have taken the money and run, so to speak. Lots have gone to Prince George's Cty, in MD'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are scaring the people from Maryland and Virgina with that propaganda, if blacks are leaving DC where would they go then if not to those states? :>'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'estonia has around 10-20 black residents, i think'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I didn't know Estonia had that many trees....'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Hell, my block had that many ;)'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you sure they're black and not just frostbitten, Dag?'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yes. this country is too white'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and yes, we have lots of trees'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'For some reason I was under the impression that people of Slavic descent considered blacks to be monkeys :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'we're finno-ugric, actually'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that is certainly what Russian speakers call them.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you're closer to the slavs than we are'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'The parts of DC that are still dangerous (primarly to black people, since white people just don't go there) are far southeast and far northeast. There are some pretty scary places there.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'unless your hungarian, finnish or estonian'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure but you can't ignore the influence that being a client state must have brought in.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'true'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm for multiculturalism tho. it's boring when everyone is alike'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the problem is more that black people are not let into the NW part than that white people go to the SE. Still if the entire city were treated the same there wouldn't be bad neighborhoods.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Capitol Hill, Adams Morgan, Georgetown, Dupont Circle, Logan Circle, Forest Hills, Cathedral Park and several others are all very nice neighborhoods. Expensive, too, of course.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but an average esto is pretty racist'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, Rhavage, how many blacks live in Georgetown, in proportion to the white population. Would you say that it truly reflects the city's demographics?'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'further, do you think that the current residents of Georgetown deplore the low black count and are doing their best to rectify the matter?'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's a better person of color x to represent nation y in district z than the alternative color b to represent facio-c of demograph d, but we shall choose the lesser capable because we need to keep cultural interintegrity illusion's going'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'No, I wouldn't say it reflects a true demographic, but I don't think any other neighborhood accurately reflects a true demographic, either. Blacks aren't kept out of nice neighborhoods. It's all money. If you've got it, you live where you like. Well-to-do blacks live in NW and on the Hill (which straddles SE and NE) just like white people do.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'iirc there was a certain percentage of blacks needed in the neighborhood for the whites to start moving out. maybe 15%?'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if color x person is not racist but color b is, well, color b gets the spotlight anyways cause he'd cry to culture b's prejudice of prejudice and through the externalized media call it racist that he wasn't selected'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that was very nicely put, Rhavage. Blacks are not kept away because they are black, they are kept away because they are poor. Of course, it is a known fact, that blacks ar poor not because the system works against them but because they are lazy.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I don't know, Dag. But in DC, it's whites moving in, not blacks.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, there are more poor white people around these days'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and the poor white would not be looked at suspiciously on K street, while a black would.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Poor whites who were already there, but not many who are still arriving. Real estate is too expensive. It costs plenty to buy a house in DC.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, which K St do you mean? There are four of 'em. K St NW is the lobbying district, except for near N Capitol St, which is pretty crappy. K St NE is a neighborhood in transition. K St SE is a lot of new condos as you get near the ball park, and K St SW is also in transition.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'i need real property in real life, not this mud'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Grexo )
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'i was talking about Georgetown, of course. When K street is mentioned in the news it's not the Ghetto they mean unless a white was murdered there.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Trust me. I really, really know that town ;0'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'people were murdered in DC over power'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'such is the life of a politician, Grexo. :P'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'ain't you ever seen Swordfish?'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'im hungry'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'IRL'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ask Trump the politician wannabe :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you mean they're killed over facio-position's and take orders from the background?  what else is it?'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'trimming on the house of motives'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Things have changed, Ana. There are blacks in G'town. And they're there because they have money. Yes, it's majority white, but that city doesn't have quite the race-based lines of delineation that it once had. '
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'ok, this discussion is officially dead now. it's lizard-people's time'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'oh yes, lizard people time is correct, sort of like the reptiles behind everybody's faces (::'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'John Travolta films suck'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I find it interesting that thinking about ceasing someone else's life makes me rather ill, and yet, those who run countries realize such ideas all the time, the conclusion must be that people who run governments are certified sociopaths.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'sociopathy is a MUST'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think that's typically the case, they all like their sugar cubes and realize that cattle need to be fenced and kept stupid of their fate'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'nah your right bush is somewhere betwen a furhiture and a brain dead monkey'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'As the city has grown and prospered (big job market, DC) and the real estate values have escalated, the city is now dividing itself more along economic lines. Black people of means live cheek to jowl with white people of means. They're all comfy together, heh :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the little dog has a big bark, run!  like you're trained to run from birth'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, Rhavage :) What is the proportion of black people of means and their white counterparts?'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'follow the leading cow or bull'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I don't know what it is. I do know that it's growing, whatever it is.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'he's not looking side to side and is running that way along with 10 others and i am 1, i shall become 11'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, it's growing I am sure. The safe bet is that they are far from equal and they will never be.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'he's feigning fear of this little barking dog, it must be a follow the leader scenario, i shall too feign fear and if i stray be neurotic in my pathfinding abilities'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Rhavage, you are pc-whipped -- you use the long "b---- p-----" phrase instead of the convenient short "n-----"'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is also a safe bet that the well-to-do blacks are all clustered in the same sub-section (they are neighbors of each other for the must part) rather than living randomly within the community.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Why would I say nigger when I wasn't thinking nigger? I say black people because I loathe that odious term "people of color." Everybody has color.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'except for the fact that human skin can't be black :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so blacks must not be human.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oh, some of them are BLACK'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'proper black'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'not in the states tho, i guess'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, some of them are extremely dark, but they are not black.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I'm not so sure about that, Ana. I've spent a lot of time in southern Africa and seen a lot of people who sure looked black to me.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i loathe the term "african american". it's retarded'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'none of them are "black"'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you analyze a tissue sample from someone whom you think is actually black, you will find that it is, in fact, very, very dark brown.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ok, I can buy that.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, whites aren't exactly white either'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and christianity which is indoctrinated as far away as little coral islands from ww2 in the pacific, teaches the people to fear the wolf, for he will eat lambert if lambert strays from the indoctrinated path of non-falsitutedly interpreted doctrine of god's cattle-ranching patterns of corrupt world systems'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a "deep dark indigo with a purple sheen" is not "black"'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is only one skin coloring agent: Melanin, which is a brown pigment.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'True, Dagnir. In the summer, I'm pretty brown.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'if white South African migrates to the US are they an African American?'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they are turd-colored.  We say black, but really it can range from a dirty white (some variation of light tan that only women can distinguish and give a separate name to) to a burnt chocolate'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'if a surinamese migrates to the u.s. are they "american american"?'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Rhavage is attempting to get skin cancer'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'or if McDougal migrates to the Congo is he now and Irish-African?'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'now "an" rather'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I think that's an excellent question, Eyeque. I have a white friend from Zimbabwe who is now an American citizen and he will tell you that he's African American. '
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'what about if Tonto got shipped off to Libya.  Would he be an American-African?'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'afrikaano americano'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'at an aa meeting with a iranian diplomate from russia, an iranian cossack'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'bet he's not saying that because he's black so much as has dual citizenship.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I'm not wild about the term "Native American", either. I was born in St Joseph's hospital, in Syracuse NY. Can't get a lot more native than that.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'many immigrants are quite proud that they are now an American.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Dokkar, he says it because he gets irritated by all of our pc appelations.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"aboriginal australian" but not "aboriginal american"'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Used to be that people came to the States and made it their mission to assimilate. Now they come and insist on America adjusting to them. '
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"native american" but not "native australian"'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'it seems to be only "over-educated" upper middle class whites who can afford or have the propensity to be politically correct'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yes, i have no homeland being born on the american continent, i am a foreignly born slave vessal'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Yes you do have a homeland, Necro. You just said you were born in America.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but i'm not native to it, i am a strange soil'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'whether or not i'll ever gather my roots my tree may never know'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Necro, wherever you're born, you're native to.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I've thought very much the same thing, Eyeque.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'Necro what peoples do you think spontaenously emerged in Canada as opposed to traveling there from somewhere else?'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm mocking thinking patterns'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Pretty good character name, too, Eyeque.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's a good question'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Eyeque = EyeWhat'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Should have been EyeQueue, if anything'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'he spelled queue wrong, though, so it looks like IK to me.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'back to the 45 degree west compass turn and upper/lower egypt stories'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'as assumed a world-wide platform of rule'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'did you just exhaust your monthly allotment of wit there in one go Starling?'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'ration yourself and parcel it out, rather than  blowing the wad all in one go'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'My allotment of wit?  It isn't my fault if you can't spell 'queue', or be arsed to look up the spelling in a dictionary.  Foad.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, you spent "Sterling" wrong'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'spelt*'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Haha, you fail.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'who's the idiot now?'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav snickers softly.
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And 'starling' is a bird, look it up.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and eyeque is just a nickname. i don't think you can look it up tho'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'dagnir tryign to argue with star is like tryign to reason with retarded monkey >_>'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Also the FBI agent in Silence of the Lambs.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'Thank you for properly admonishing me on my name choice for a "game" :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Never seen Silence of the Lambs'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You're quite welcome.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'just a bit phonetics '
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'It was pretty good. An even better book.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'silence of lams is tha hannibal movie?'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'bit of'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Yes, Cheezy. But it was a novel first, and a good one.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'sorry dont read books much. as far as i recall movie was pretty good'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there was a prequel to silence of the lambs that i read'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the movie was rather true to the book, but the book was much better.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it was a alright horror novel too'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'was there ever any movies based on chuthlu... or how ever you spell it'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'cthulhu'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Not familiar with that.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'some people actually think cthulhu refers to some immortal spirit, or pretend to'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what do you think?'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir points excitedly at .Faust Necroshine!
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe a concept'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nebmaatre: 'there are some shorter movies out based on some Lovecraft, but not a whole lot.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I just finished reading, for at least the third time, Lost Horizon. Beautiful novel from the early 1930s. The story of Shangri-La.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Lovecraft, ugh!'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'modern cthulhu mythos is loosely based on lovecraft'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's mostly fanfic these days'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'mmm lovecraft vamp universe got a ton of material'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and lets face it - lovecraft is a bitch to read'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'instead we get trash vamp flicks...'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'which I am proud to say I skipped reading :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i met people who actually seemed convinced they were vampires and met diablo who turned into a reptile and things like this, and a guy in a detox centre who claimed beetles would consume anybody if they tried to steal his identity'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'white wolf is the best vampire universe ever'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's all kinds of characters out there, and i see their theories aren't isolated'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'vampire the masquerade: bloodlines was fucking awesome'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Next movie I'm going to see is Water for Elephants. That was just a beautiful novel and I'm told the movie is pretty good.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL rapidly nods twice at Seltsimees Dagnir, in complete agreement.
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'shame they canceled mmo '
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ok, time for me to go. Take care, all'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'larpers :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'shame troika died too... funny that game still gets fan patches even now'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'didn't know they planned one'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe he picked up that last one on the x-files, :oo'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'aloha Rhav'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i wish someone made white wolf based story'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i want to try the tabletop rpg some day'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL wiggles his bottom towards Taeryn.
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Gillian Anderson ruined the x-files :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'bah mis'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'land of the skinwalkers versus invasion of the bodysnatchers'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'non of this love story bullshit'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and they ruined the bodysnatchers, too. The original b/w movie was a lot better than the remake.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Nebmaatre is agreeing with that Undertaken Anaristos person again...
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'sounds like tuesday night lign up on scyfy or w/e the heck they renamed it to'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'without "Gillian Anderson", there be less eyecandy in x-files'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL hunches his shoulders, wrinkles his face, and squints at Xyliz.
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, she's not exactly eye candy :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'you cant be serious'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'she's not an ugly woman but she has the sex appeal of a sponge.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL is agreeing with that Undertaken Anaristos person again...
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'do you think she was supposed to be sexy?'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'dont even wanna know'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sexy is a natural thing you either have it or you don't. It has nothing to do with acting, though I suppose it could be acted :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"Gillian Anderson" assisted the audience to ignore that forgothisname looked jewish'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'buffy from tv series is constantly reffered as hot... yet every time i looked at that crooken noggin of hers i had a twitch'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'replace Anderson with Biel and you'll see what I mean.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no, i think you're assuming that the creators wanted the character to be sexy'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'david duchovny was jewish?!'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'which is not required imho'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'plenty of other shows with sexy chick'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'chicks*'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'like what...'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am just pointing out to Xylyz that Anderson was no eye candy, no matter what the show creators intended.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Two and a half men.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"Gillian Anderson" was not tall enough'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'ok, nice talking to you. going to bed now'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'except for the housekeeper and Mom, pretty much all the skirts on that show are sexy'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir waves happily.
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'she had no ass'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no ass and a bad attitude, bad combo :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'face u can always fix a paper bag... ass on other hand...'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'with a*'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the almost nude spread of "Gillian Anderson" in "Elle" magazine was tastefully done - sexy even'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'she might've been a good cast for CSI, if Marg Helgenberger didn't happen.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'sun should be rising there soon, just coming over the southern horizon (:)'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as I said, Xyliz, she's not a bad looking woman, just a woman that leave men cold.'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you being the obvious exception... which raises the question.... :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: '10 to 1'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'mis'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'i wonder why trump bailed'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'it looks like its ron paul vs mitt romney'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'paul vs romney are left, thats all she wrote'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'unlabelled toxic chemicals in cosmetics - news at 11 '
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '1% of my head and shoulders is listed on the bottle'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's imported in toronto by procter and gamble'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so it must be ok'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'kills bugs dead!  off ant-killer is some interesting stuff'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'killers are strange people, they never stop poppin out though'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'my cigarettes have 1800 additives to have a higher quality tobbacco taste to them, with classified brain chemistry experiments for backing the ingredient medley'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's not humans that kill people, but tobacco and their stupidity'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if i treat my smokes in piss will it stablize some of the components?'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'Random for the people?'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'for the intelligence agency behind their eyes'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's a nice randym though isn't it'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'food for thoth'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'as to preserving, tobaacco with piss, have you never seen tobacco cured?'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'no, but i seen a documentary where some soldiers had to treat their facemasks in piss to neutralize the chlorine in the air'
T3/r3/2011-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'its cured and aged to break down the nitrogen content, wouldn't be sensible to add it back in , in the form or urea'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the news media found the pornography that the USA planted in the OBL compound'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'porn is for all'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'are we headed back to a feudal society?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'if you always look for a conspiracy you'll eventually be right.'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'the world has no common sense anymore'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'that's progress for you'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'don't start'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'start?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'i just got up'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i'm sorry...esp for your neighbors'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the Daily Show John Stewart was elated to be cracking OBL jokes'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'don't wake up and bring that bitchy attitude in'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'don't have neighbors, only neighbours :-)'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'do i smell a spelling officer....or the grammar police?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'what's bitchy about mocking modern society?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'that's not a question we need to answer'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'tis one for you to answer'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'then likewise I don't need to justify it'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'didn't say you did'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'tis really about who believes you at that point'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'good luck'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'about what?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'its not that fast man'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'various captions on an OBL photograph included "the Porn Identity"  "Weapons of Mass Turbation"'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'the world -doesn't- have any common sense any more'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'you said it yourself'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i did'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'which is why all these modern countries are obsessed with carbon emissions and not about population control'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'doesn't mean we should hide our heads in the sand'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'security through obscurity on a world-wide scale'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: '-i- have an exit strategy, do you?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'population will solve itself'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'doesn't sound like burying my head'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'never does'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'there was a 2hr program last night called "The Street that Cut It All" which was quite illuminating over the lack of sense people now have'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'and the twisted priorities residents have got'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'didn't see...but common sense is sooo underratted.'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'got a degree?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'like that means sht anymore'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Mike Huckabee on his Show was seen playing base to Ted Nugent singing 'Cat Scratch Fever' "to make your pussy purr when he strokes you there" '
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'get over your educated selves'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'no way X'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i truely love nug'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'theres gold in them hills'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'he can play a guitar like a madman'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'first thing they should do is make contraception free, making it a legal requirement to declare the parents on birth certificates, and jailing absentee parents in "work prison" to make them earn their keep'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'and rock the stage just as hard'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'oh jc'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'is about the only way you can start to rebuild the idea of responsibility'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'no comment'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'can then cut a ton of the social these people get'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Mike Huckabee said he loves Jesus, and singing about stroking pussy'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'kk...let's be honest...there's no one who can beat Obama'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'then give everyone a tax-free allowance each week to live on, regardless of whatever else they earn'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'was that an answer?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'perhaps a previous one'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'haven't you guys realised Obama is a monkey in a suit yet?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'very good talker, and that's about it'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'monkey eh?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'says more than i needed to know about ya'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'that if I were an American, I wouldn't be a democrat?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Huck Finn's "uncle tom" was a puppet of the white massahs'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'good luck'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'don't mess with finn'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'i would imagine that the republicans are quite glad that the recession came along and railroaded his crazy health plans'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'wish what you want for the reps...won't get you outta another 4 years.'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'republicans want to cut health care so that the rich may receive more tax cuts'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'reps are ignorant greedy peeps'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i don't understand it'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'one people'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'one world'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'and democrats are ignorant stupid people'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'politics makes people stupid'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'take you on'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '*wink*'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'if you allow yourself to be sucked into a party box, any intellectual or idealogical high ground is lost'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'IF you allow yourself'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '*shakes head*'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'if you claim you're a democrat, then you -have- allowed yourself'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'there's a world of difference saying you're going to vote democrat and saying you ARE a democrat'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'more so than the 'allowed' republicans?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'i voted conservative in the UK, but i'm don't consider myself -a- conservative'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'well...that's why i picked one'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'they do mean different thingsa'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'an "intellectual or idealogical high ground" is another (party) box'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'that'd be a good thing to vote for, xyliz, i vote for myself because i'm better than you!'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'forget X'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'hasbeen'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'dude..i jest'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i need you to have bigger balls than that'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the "British National Party" requires your conservative vote in the UK'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'bnp need steralising'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'but i wouldn't deny them their voice like so many try to'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'much like the tea-party in the US, they do have valid points, the points just get lost among the rabid foaming'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'tea party has no chance here'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'of course not'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'nods'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'is funny to watch though'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'but they're no worse a choice than any other'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the Tea-Party in the USA dislikes the socialist Jesus'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'prob not'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'in not tea party'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'and yet i hate the religious'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'cbs cares'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'religious tend to be weak too'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'soab...mis'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos . o O ( the Tea Party is in need of a collective lobotomy...) )
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: ''in need of'?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'surely you jest'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, obviously the last lobotomy was batched.'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'that said, us dems love you tea partiers'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'botched*'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I could also say the same for the democrats and republicans, a lobotomy is in order!'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in fact, any moron who thinks that they can actually influence the ruling class is in need of a lobotomy.'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'moron..yes....moronS make it a diff scenario'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'power in numbers'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos . o O ( or perhaps they already have had their lobotomy which would explain everything :)) )
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'least that's what i was told *evil griN*'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Jon Stewart in "That was fast" was stating that the usa FCC approved what may become another huge comcast "monopoly"'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'stewart is a pimp'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the female (that looks like Rose O'Donell) that was supposed to protect usa consumers (from exploitive monopolies) was responsible for fast-track approving the "illegal" mergers (unless approved by the FCC) - she then announced that she was quitting the approval process to become head of the approved monopoly  [perhaps the Daily Show was hinting "doublecrossing turncoat conflict of interest"] '
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'kk...you're trying to be too fancy'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'give us a point to counter'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'pakistan...friend or foe?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'do not antagonise Pakistan without just cause'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'what is just cause then?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'always the odd question isn't it?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'the prob we have now...is they have the nukes'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'america is always grumbling after the fact'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'bak...bail on paki'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'need more money at home...and obv they not real into being on our side'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the USA committed an "act of war" by invading Pakistan and murdering OBL, (not that the strongest nation in the world requires to care, since pakistan currently prefers to be an ally of the USA)'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: ''war'?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'we don't have wars anymore'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'they'll always be 'conflicts''
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'as much as i hate to quote it as a liberal, 'You're either with us or against us' in the fight.'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'pick and win'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'there may be payback eventially'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'just hoping we can't start getting the hell outta there'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'nods....action/reaction'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'and?...how you feel re paki re binLaden?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a "with us or against us" speech is extremely dangerous and warmongering '
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'nods...tis why i qualified via being a lib'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '*duck*'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a wolf in sheep's clothing is yet a wolf'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'like there's anything else an average lib would agree with Bush on'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'and the sheep still baa''aaa'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'bush gain 'spect via binladen'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i have greater for him'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'Obama didn't do it all'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'Are we going to do anything about this 'Made in China' shit?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'damn....8 mins late'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'GWBush indirectly "hired" OBL to cause trouble so that the USA may eventually "grab" the Iraq oil --  (the plausible deniability of "get the job done OBL, don't tell GWBush the details")'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'perhaps...long perhaps'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i can't see obl doing anything for any american'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'except pulling a trigger'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'there's no doubt we backed him way back when'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the Bush family and the Bin Laden families were business friends'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'nods'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'old school anyways'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'nothing is as simple as it seems anymore'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'the world is too small'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'so....we outta the middle east now?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'we were already coming outta iraq'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'Obama cld really wind up doing something really special during his term'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'that makes me snicker'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'sorry'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'unless the islam religion is disprovend repudiated and rejected, the middle east poses a danger to world peace'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'anyone in LA?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'disproven'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'prob X....but its not just them'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i don't do spelling *griN*'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'if you can read....all i'm worried about'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'rest comes with practice'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'and i mean practice reading my misspelled *gin* words'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'If L.Ron Hubbard can create a successful religion outta Scientology in the past 50 yrs, where you 'pay to pray, as it were, how can anyone have faith in any religion?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'hrmm'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'legalize it?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Scientology provided an alternative haven to the oppressions of psychiatry and christianity'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'it's all about networking'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'they can't possibly need a 'psych''
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'with that mentality, some of you better sit in the back of the bus.'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'in a christian nation, if anybody did not believe in Jesus Christ, but believed in the paranormal and ufos, they may be labeled "crazy" -- then along came Scientology'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Karkos giggles.
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'sitting back and rereading my comments....i cldn't follow for a few times'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Karkos snickers softly.
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'hello cleveland!!'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"cld" is not in the dictionary'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'don't get anal on me'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'time has a value'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'use the mxit channel if you are lazy'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'not lazy,,,a la time / value'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'run! kill!'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'if you are mxit "incoherent", you are wasting the "time" of the readers on non-mxit channels'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'come again?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'wth is mxit?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'and why should i care?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'turn on the mxit channel, type mxit'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'k'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'new chann?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'yeah...that's not happening'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'next!!!'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'type mxit -h 9'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'doh'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'sec'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i see nothing'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'not on my tippy toes atm though'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'type h mxit'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'nods...i read...not sure how that history played in thoughj'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'everything is gonna freeze'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'mis'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) WinkleWinkle: 'test (please ignore)'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) WinkleWinkle: 'test (please ignore)'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wereturtle: 'is this a safe to curse on channel?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'yea'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'sort of at least'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'a month later...'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'mis -_-'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'do you figure jesus cross was used by anybody else before him, or was it a cedar cut down specially for him?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'Ron Paul 2012'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'republicans can't win'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'YES WE CAN'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'and we will'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'dude was in charge for the killing of osama'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'in order to win Dems will have to realize a massively improved economy'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'I don't think they can stay out of the way for that to happen'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'he was a failure'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: '10 years and he was in the same house'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'what?!...republicans have done nothing since their 'coupe' in 2010'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'that is a failure, the home was easy to spot on declassified imagery'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'total failure'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'guess who's going back out in 2012?....republicans'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: ''splain grexo'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'beer must be getting in the way'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Osama has probably been dead for years now'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'not in the mood for this shit im gone'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'nope....would declare that immediately'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'objectively i just don't see it happening Kark'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'if nothing else, then for politics'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'plus oil firms arent corrupt, its about money, but see i want some too '
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'dont bash the oil firms'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'its always about money'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'excess'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'disgusts me'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'setting aside sports fan type politicism'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'That's why your mom works the street corner'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i'd expect nothing less for the grammar/spelling police'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'I think the elections will hinge entirely on the economy'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '...or the lack thereof'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'remember.....reps were shaking it up ....or at least they advertised they were'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'please vote tea party'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'barack wont win a 2nd term, not gonna even come close'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'money?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'anyone else wanna get in?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'mitrt romney vs ron paul'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'im voting for ron paul though'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'reps have absolutely no candidate'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'im supporting ron paul'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'wasted vote'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '...that's how you skewer the outcome'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'only way Obama gets a 2nd term is if someone like Paul runs as a 3rd party candidate and syphons off the vote'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oladon: 'I think you mean skew.'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i do'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oladon: 'Though skewering stuff is fun.'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'fig'd most understood'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'surely skewering the outcome (and half of the candidates) is more fun'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Obama will most likely be reelected. He is better at scripted events (aka campaigns) than any of the republican candidates, retains overwhelming media support, has had 4 years to prepare and pile up money, and is president already.'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'obama wont get reelected'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'not a chance in hell'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'heh no chance huh'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'The gays are pissed.'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Soft and Silke: 'not with such high unemployment and gas prices.'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'none'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Soft and Silke: 'Domestic issues will sink him.'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '2nd term...forget about it'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'btw, not all gays are'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '*peers about*'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'speaking of....gay marriage?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '*twiddle*'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'obama has never promised gay marriage, and he had made some inroads with the DOMA stuff'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i agree'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'wasn't an obama comment per se'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'As long as helicopter Ben spreads his bounty across the nation (or at least to the federal gov't and financial system), I think everything else can be .. papered over'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'was .... gay marriage'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lol tin'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'same as it ever was, same as it ever was...'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'talking heads?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'indeed'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'played cbgb....good enough for me'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'haven't heard that in a while, thanks man'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'no prob....got some good stuff'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'wild, wild life'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'is 'marriage' a religious term a la gay marriage?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'always quiet until you get into the booth'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'exit polls are always fun'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'gallup polls show shifts on gay marriage, I think it topped 50% nationwide for the first time. Don't see it ever getting through the Congress though.'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'i dont care about polls, i care about getting rid of obama and getting in RON PAUL!!!!!'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'nods....old generations passing away'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'im all for ron paul now'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'tea party 2012'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'obama may not win...but ron paul has such a lil chance'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'ron paul has a huge chance, in fact the best chance against obama'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'romney tried to put down obamacare in massachussets and do it at the state level'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'yes yes *rubs hands greedily*...he indeed has the best chance'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'I'm in Poe's Law territory here. Help me!'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'only paul is a true conservative in the truest sense'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'not happening.... pendelum is swinging left atm'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i butchered that'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'wrong'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '*snicker*'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'the pendelum just peaked on conservative side'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'pendulum...fyi'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'always thought might be interesting to use against terrorists'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '..pit and...'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'I think you are going to see an isolationist movement here in the states'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'perhaps'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'i hope something happens'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i'm personally waiting for us to fall/fail'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'i heard they pretty much nullified the 4th amendment in illinois'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'all/any empire always falls'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'hinges on what happens with the budget/economy in the next 4-8 years were sort of at a tipping point'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'searches/siezures is indeed getting worse'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'everyone shld have a lawyer'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'even if never charged'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'yeah, i'm gonna get down on the prepaid legal setup'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'usu, is easy re first visit free'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'yeah can feel wipespread pushback to authoritarianism'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'contact is the only thing you need....'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'that and a business card'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'civil unions?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and arranged marriages, too.'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think they should quit postponing ww3 and make it a free for all on all levels of society'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'if that floats your boat'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they been fucking the world in the ass and tellin them it could be worse for the last 60 years'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'gay marriage?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'which is the best gun show, need to pick up a gun'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'dunno which the best ones are'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'you ever fired before?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'no one ever does til 30 yrs later'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'not i'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'yeah i can shoot a gun'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i have walked off'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'sdebate its my 2nd amendment right after all'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'in tennessee.....we all know how to shoot'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'TNA wrestling has the best.  Motorcity Machine Guns, Hulk Hogan's 24" Pythons, Big Papa Pump, and so on.'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'that and wrestle'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'if your in the city get a 45 caliber sidearm of your choice'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'grexo, watch some reviews on youtube, figure out what you want before you go'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'what are shoes?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'too bad they got rid of Awesome Kong, though.'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'home defense?...shotgun'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'personal defense in close quarters you dont need a long gun'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'spread that shot'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the best home defense is a corridor laser-lattice system like in Resident Evil.'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'guns are an endless debate, if you have family in your home along with bad guys, spread may not be a good thing'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'you physical enough to handle a shotgun while your stressed Grex?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'and a handgun won't send a bullet through a wall?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'you are stressed rather'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'mice value their skin too while they burrow into your cabinet and make nests in your mattresses, kind of like a coward yeah?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Elvis was never convinced that it would.'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they hide from the camera's of human perception while the real people lay traps for them'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'skin?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'he always shot the shit out of his bathroom, though.'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'tacky'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'unless you've shot under stress, you want to keep it simple'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'depending on size, surely, but atleast its a single slug at a time'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lol dokk'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'shotgun'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'take it from the hick tennessian'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'he once even nearly popped his old lady because his gun went off while cleaning it while sitting on the toilet.'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'no offense Grexo I know you are a city boy, are you physical enough to work a shotty?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'i'm from arkansas, and a shotgun is excellent short range'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'just make sure you drag the body inside'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what ever happened to that guy who shot his television?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'indeed E'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'second degree television slaughter'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'much safer in the long run than a handgun'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'seldom miss either inside a house/room'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'he's in prison.  He is quoted as saying that had he known there were 6000 channels and all the PPV he could desire he'd have done it a long time ago.'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'would you rather struggle over a handgun or a shotgun?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'just asking'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's crazy, he didn't even have a history of offenses iirc'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'shotgun, much more leverage.'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'agreed dokkar'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'put a bayonet on that dude, and your covered'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'nods....end of barrel is harder to point to holder'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'shotgun peeps'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'saw that mother down if you need to'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'what ever you purchase get trained and practice'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'just keep it in the house'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'even if you can keep the handgun pointed away from you, it puts you way out of position and exposes pretty much every soft spot on your body.  A couple kicks, a well-placed elbow, or a punch or two and you're enjoying a lead salad.'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'nods eyeq'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'what you think you will do in a crisis, and what you will do when your heart rate is hitting 180 are 2 different things'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'they make pistol grip and short barrel conversions'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'super sweer'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'eer super sweet'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'yes dokk....tis true re handgun'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'how's the fight go if have shotgun'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i assure you...elbows are fair with a shotgun'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'blast to the gut best case scenario'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'for most people, pretty much the same way.'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'getting whipped with a shotgun has to be terrible'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'gut shots can be survived re handgun....not a lot of luck re shotgun'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'er, vice versaq'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'beer must have alcohol in it'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '*sigh*'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'lol, it must have'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'odd eh?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'when did this happen?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'and i though v8 kicked ass'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it must, but nothing says it has to be enough to get you drunk.  This is what brought about the horror of near-beer.'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'ah..near beer'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'holy shit'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'grats necro'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'where are my sissors?...lit the wrong damn end of this cig'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you know, if you want to chew tobacco they make a product specifically for that.'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'throw away filter burned filter taste disgusting'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lol...with both'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'can't find...gonna have to tear that filter off'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'easy enough, the paper's perforated.'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'of course'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'found the sissors'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'this wld be a fatty'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'lolz'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'been there, done exactly that'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they put filters on roaches?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'anyeone ever used the papers with the built in roach clip?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: '{crickets}'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'civil unions?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'must be ok'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'medicaid/medicare?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'like saying reps will win'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'employers checking facebook before hiring...... duh'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'of course they will.'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if you're applying for jobs and have drunkass pictures up on facebook, you're an idiot.'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and myspace and linkdin and bebo...they also use such sites to fire people for violating company policies on their offtime.'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'moral: don't post things online that you would be uncomfortable seeing on the front page of the newspaper.'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe i'll go investigate my bosses life and post his dirty secrets before i let him fire me'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'make sure you take pictures :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'a middle/upper-management employee of a respectable firm was fired because getting drunk at college and dancing lewdly on a table while being filmed by your BFF (who then one day a couple decades later finds the old photos and posts them on her social-networking page to remind you of the fun you had) did not set the proper image for the company.'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'just be more businesses being burned down and homes'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the internet's a wonderful retard toy'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: '...did you just call Aardwolf retarded?'
T3/r3/2011-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it will be sooner or later'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'this is insane!  A 6-year-old who grabs breasts and flashes his babysitters is getting charged with sexual assault.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what would you do?'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other than put him in care?'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'smack him'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'he's already seeing a therapist or something, since he's developmentally-challenged or something.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so should have been aborted prior to birth?'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'now that Nevada doesn't have to pay into Obamacare, I wonder if they'll opt out of the system instead of taking benefits?'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone tell me what a 'rape survivor' is'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'green'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'green'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'green'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'lols, my bad'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'whoa'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada claps at RonPaul's performance.
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'this is nice...'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'I like the red text'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *Yay!*  Go RonPaul!!!  RagingFury cheers him on.
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'can i be your friend :P'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'YEA! can i be yours?!'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'Minimum wage is killing domestic jobs.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'is it?'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'its the same as price-setting. it never worked before, it doesn't work now.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'it gets ignored by foreign immigrant workers anyway, so what's the diff?'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'companies need to be able to pay wages accordingly'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what is the concept of minimum wage?  is what a person who works for minimum wage does worth less to society than what their manager does?'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'yes'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure lets punish the actual citizens that create the wealth in this country by keeping them poor and unhealthy'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'instead of keeping them healthy and middle class.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'minimum wage means that pretty much everyone has your skillset.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'labor is only worth what it produces, so if a laborer's work only produces enough for 5 dollars an hour, the company will design a machine to do it'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'of course, they make machines to put people out of work as much as possible'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and the highest paying jobs relate to fueling them'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'raise the min wage by $1 per hour each year for 5 years is my opinion.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'because otherwise they will take a loss paying 8 an hour and their business will fail'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'Wages need to fluctuate...if the company can't pay minimum wage, it shouldn't be forced.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'you'd do better to enforce a pay policy that states the highest earner in a company can not earn more than 20x the wages of the lowest'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'If it is making record profits, it can afford to pay more'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'but minimum wage is crippling us'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quiet Nuala faints.
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quiet Nuala: 'RON PAUL!'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'what -is- your minimum wage?'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: '$7.30'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'per hour'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'that's not very high'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'it's higher in the UK'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you think min wage is the problem, then your the problem :P'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'they were xraying vehicles and found the truck'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'when commodities go up, prices go up, and sales go down'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'minimum wage being removed from the lawbooks is practical if you also make a slew of other changes to fiscal policy'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'if sales are down, and you have this stationary wage'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'it presents a problem'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they had to use x-rays for that?'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sales go down because you movied all the manufacturing jobs to countries that paid nothing.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Henry Ford had it right.....you pay your workers well enough so that they can buy your products.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'duh.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'your right rizgoth...getting rid of minimum wage now would do even worse. We'd need to make ALOT of other changes first.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'Amen!'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'if you only reduced minimum wage, but didn't  address taxation then it might be a problem, but if you take the whole picture and adjust things, no more minimum wage could be a good thing'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'we need to abolish the min wage'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'i dont wanna pay someone '
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the problem is that the unions made him put that in writing.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'work for free'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'we need to abolosh the income tax too'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'we need minumum wage so long as we have income tax'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'less china kids making all the clothes and electronics you use the more jobs ull have here... oh wait u got unions... that cry so much that any manufacturer will rather deal with china and their child workers..'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'these are all good points'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'the irs is an evil organization'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'if you abolish income tax, what exactly are you going to pay for your public services with?'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'i say we get rid of the irs'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'altogether'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'use and sales taxes'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'people will work together to provide whatever services they feel they need'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'Well..most of the money paid to income tax doesn't go to those services anyway'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'FLAT TAX'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'im all for the flat tax'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'our income tax pays the interest on our defecit'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Get rid of the tax deductions and breaks, and you fix most of the taxation problem....and you could reduce personal income tax by 1/3 and still make more money.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'but i like driving on roads and having a school system'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they should ban un-neccessary electronics in class-rooms, and leave them in the computer lab and quit integrating electronic dependence into the thinking patterns of people through tv'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'on a community level, not a centralized,federal,nationalized level'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'how do we get money for those things?'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'Ron Paul introduced a 10% flat tax'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'with roaring support'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the home mortgage deduction costs the US almost $ 100 billion per year.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'when i was a kid i wasn't allowed to wifi google the answers for my tests'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'i'm all for a flat tax too, but it'd have to be across sales, income, and corportation'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'a Government Opt-out tax'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'i am all for ron paul'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'corporations that have more money then they know what to do with.... still get tax cuts... while simple min wage worker doesnt.. makes a ton of sense'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'how do i send a check to ron paul?'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'i want to donate'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'live in Nevada and you get that already.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'i hear somalia has low income taxes, and not a whole lotta government regulation'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'im going to make a donation to ron paul'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Grexo )
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'dude, that would be epi'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'if there were a unified tax rate in the UK at the moment, to pay the current spend, it'd be about 40%'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'i gave 10 grand last year'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'double the time allowed for a business to write off machinery and other business expenses, and you would save another $50 billion a year.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'and ill piss in a jar and send it to irs as thanks for all the nonexistant public services i get'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'www.ronpaul2012.com or something should have a CC donation site'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'i dont have 10000 to give :('
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'where there's work, the cost of living goes up, min wage doesn't cover that cost'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'do you don't get public services? do you never leave the h ouse?'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: '10 bucks is still monumental'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It doesnt make sense for GE to write off a brand new vehicle 3 years later and reduce taxes because of it.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'yeah ill do that'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'public services aren't paid for by income tax'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'they are here'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'America is so backed up'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'and likely they are there, too, you just don't realise it'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: '100% of your income tax goes to pay for the federal defecit's INTEREST'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'so we don't even bring down the defecit with our WHOLE income tax program'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'we merely make interest payments'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'thats how bad it is...'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'yup'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everyone whined about the minimum wage increases in washington state, yet 2 years after its implementation, things are better then they were.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'we're in over our eyeballs!'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'simple solution to that - put taxes up and stop spending so much money'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'consider ontario for instance, highest costs of living all around and most factory jobs in the country - the workers have to have degrees as slave-labour positions are welded into machinery, to operate that machinery and be considered saving the company x amount of slaves'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'taxes are already too high, can't bring those up'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Senator Starbug gasps as he realizes what Feral Farkyss did.
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'your taxes are among the lowest in the world'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'all i have to say fuck blumberg fuck no nuts obama its till someone disbanded the whole senate and put new ppl in and found a president who doesnt have his head in a sand'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'the only thing we can do is bring down spending'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'effin clowns not government'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'I pay about 30% of my income'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'in taxes'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'you can't have it both was and find some compromise farkyss, that's ridiculous :P'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: '30% of your income in taxes is low'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'it's typically closer to 50% in europe'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'I cringe at how much other countries pay..'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'and for me personally, as much as 72%'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'keep in mind, we are still the world reserve currency'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'it shouldnt be that high'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'pretty sure people getting 30% income tax are still living a pretty decent life'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'no, it shouldn't, but you can't change people's mentalities'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: '72% taxes? Jesus..'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'America is the land of the free...if there is no freedom here, what chance do other countries have...'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'he's probably not paying 72 in just income taxes'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL rapidly nods twice at Feral Farkyss, in complete agreement.
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'no, all taxes combined, a lot of my monthly spend is on fuel'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'as long as people are dumb and ignorant we will remain at a stand still.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we pay more than that here in the States'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'Our defense budget is BLOATED'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because of tax deductions, tax breaks, and other nice things given to people in the US, I paid about 11% of my income in federal income tax...woohoo go go go!'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'over 200 bases in 149 countries, 3 wars'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'that's because you have high income, riz,'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'something like 15% of a farmer's annual income in canada went towards education funding, now there's very few farmers left and i think they could have sent all of their kids through rocket science courses if their accumulated donations to other peoples kids were used for theirs'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'we spend a trillion a year on "defense"'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'someone explain to me how fighting in Afghanistan, is the same as defending the United States?'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Still trying to get my senators to introduce a deduction for donkeys.....'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'well u cant dismiss that at all...'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'one of the hardest things to convince people of is to stop breeding'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'Mexicans are jumping over the border with Polio, Dyptheria, Small pox, and re-infecting Americans...but we need to be in Iraq??'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: '"hey, look, is that a trillion-dollar bill over there?!"'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'polio, really?'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'yes, there is a resurgence'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'ron paul 2012'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'because Americans are all immuned'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'mexicans arent'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'mexicans do all the jobs our workers cant legaly do....'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'smallpox is extinct'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'what a laughable concept'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'it aint extinct ;) it's back'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'polio, however, is on the rise everywhere'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'i cant see ron paul winning the primary'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'i see romney winning'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'i just read an article about small pox'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'but yeah i would vote for ron paul'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'illegal immigrants are trying to maintain a low profile, so they're generally not getting the mandated vaccinations for kids.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: '^^^'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'YES'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'i need to register and vote for ron paul in the primary'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'PLEASE DO'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'give em a chance...we've tried all the other shmucks..'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'They promised us the world!'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'ron paul 2012'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'legal residents are also (or at least were) forming a bloc to deliberately forgo such services due to religious and government-conspiracy beliefs.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'this is the only genuine candidate! I assure you'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'so ron paul since u like ron paul , move to texas'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'texas is for you'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i wonder what the average 11 year old kid makes stuffing a wad of narcotics into their orifices in south america, then bringing it north in an attempt to cross the border'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Ron Paul 2012! He gots electrolytes!'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'enough to get started?'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RagingFury: 'it's what plants crave'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'got to have a drop off point, maybe a career occurs'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'government conspiracy... if u look at how clumsy and broken it is... what god damn conspiracy could they have? to sabotage public toilet in white house? anything more comblicated and they would never agree on it'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'u can get nice acreage in texas '
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'lolz dokkar'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'with a well :) OIL AND WATER :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'electrolytes? that's what plants crave'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'good ole midland texas'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'oil mmmmmmm'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'oh, the other thing you guys need to start doing, just like we need to do, is start recycling your crap within your country rather than sending it abroad'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'not in my backyard!'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'so what are the US doing to reduce their carbon footprint?'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'and reduce their dependancy on oil?'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we're not'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'blame everyone else?'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'we are pretty good at that'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the goal seems to be to get everyone else to use up their resources so that when stuff runs out we can sit up nice and straight and go "Hey, look what I've got!  Want some?"'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'i drank at the rio grande, got sick'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Grexo (
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'everyone i know who has gone to mexico gets sick so why do people go'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think it's related to drugs and death threats'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'it's for the donkey show'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'for the vampires at the titty-twister?'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'no, from the water supply'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Mexicans ritually piss into it to express their disdain of the Fatherland.  Americans piss into it because they got too drunk in Tijuana.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'BUILD THE DAMN FENCE'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'tijuana en ensenana'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you can get drugs anyway, i think my idea of legalization of narcotics/lift on prohibition, and market drowning in low prices is better for a solution to that problem than otherwise'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'opiates are something like the #1 prescription for pain now'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'longterm, perhaps.  Short term would probably get way too bloody for anyone to continue thinking it was a good idea.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'seems like it's bloody as it is plenty'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '80 dead over there, maybe 120 a day nationwide related to substances, down where they're smuggled double or triple the number, down where they're produced media doesn't come from'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I mean, we'd be cutting into the leet profits of bloodthirsty criminals.  If they see anyone properly taking marketshare from them, they are more likely to intimidate and slaughter their way back to dominance instead of coming up with creative advertising campaigns or improving their product.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how could they do that?  do they have the munitions of the military funded by the tax payers?'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'hello! We have an illegal immigration problem.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: ''we can cross the ocean with 1500 tanks and jets and helicopters and more, kill people in the desert of high profile, but we are unable to annex the organized crime within our borders''
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so, go door to door and ask everybody if they consider themselves an american or a <nationality>-american'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'in addition to all the illegal cartel-crap they're doing, they're also setting up "legitimate business" fronts and commercially growing drugs in our national parks.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'what good is mexican land'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'u can hire 100 immigrants for 2.50 :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'We should just legalize drugs'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's no longer just a small group of gangbangers in a few safehouses.  They've got warehouses, heavy-duty farm equipment, and all the other trappings of legal agribusiness.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'agreed. it brings revenu and if someone wants to do it laws wont stop them'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'tijuana '
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'who invented the truck'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Legalize drugs, ban drug testing, life will be good.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah, and the tax payer specifically funds a branch of the government with a bottomless bank account to address that issue dokkar'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'truckers !!!'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they have the DEA set up in ottawa'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Henry Ford, though perhaps Charles Babbage had a hand in it as well.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'american tax-funded operation operating in canada, strange, what comes from here that results in death?'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'tijuana en enseyana'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'drugs and liberals'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Also, ban the DEA, those pigs are useless and waste tax dollars.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and i think i seen an article which claimed that american DEA agents were unable to carry firearms in mexico'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'mexicans cant afford guns? :P'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'depends on mexican...'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so , from the south comes plenty of opium/open ports for overseas shipments of anything/cocaine etc, but they set up base in the north instead'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'some of them will afford to buy ny a few times over'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'good ole glock made in springfield massachussets'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'american made and manufactured'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'where the hardest produced substance seems to be marijuana, and hydroponic operations lift the eyebrows of the power companies which are owned by the government'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'makes a bit of sense when all the eyes are looking southward.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'vote a brick for 2012!'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'its better then what we got!'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'how many mexicans does it take to screw in a light bulb'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'depends.  How big is the room?'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'lolz'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'was a joke'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'which is exactly why I answered that way.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'cost of lapt in cents/2.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'er lightbulb'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'i '
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'so uhmmmmmm'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe narcotics is america's way of annexing canada'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'along with several other fronts'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'wall street, where price tags are put on canadian products through ontario, is in america'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what's it worth to you?  how about you?  what's water worth to a man in the ocean, or to a man in a desert?'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'does new york actually produce anything useful?'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'fiber optics from corning upstate ny'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'lawyers'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or they're just a handy shipping point like montreal'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'wine'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'lawyers'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'doctors'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'programmers'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'computer associates'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'corrupt bankers :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I hear Wall Street is the most productive part of your economy..'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I already said lawyers, Grexo'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'k'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'prolly'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'its all a bunch of thieves'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'invest a $1 see it turn into 1 penny'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm not in politics cause they seem like hot air to me that doesn't openly address problems, but only the least volatile solutions (or sometimes the most)'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'with regards to the environment and its people, or with regards to their money (the least volatile)'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Hah, wall street and other stock exchanges are where you make real money.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not to mention commodity exchanges.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you model yourself after the Unibomber.  You're the most political person here in Aardwolf.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'nah, that's what makes me nothing, and anybody rich on putting others out of their place or destroying the world should themselves be made to serve in the same way'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'roll around in the end product that they feasted on their entire lives'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm more for the time before recorded history, when people actually had some quality to their lives instead of quantity'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think i would have been innumerably more satisfied if i were allowed to have died naturally in an adventurous life where i don't have to kiss some man's ass to survive or troddle through his slot machine on my way to the bottom of the wheel turner'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'world we're in today makes man think he's my god'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and that makes me angry'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'necroshine wanna mine for gold?'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'over in porcupine river?'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or valley'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'im looking for someone to buy mining land with'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'wherever the best gold mine is :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'that we can afford'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you dont buy mining land, you lease the mining rights.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'd rather not, cause all the gold mines that actually produce any reasonable amount of gold are already owned'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'why lease?'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'u can buy the rights'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or else waiting to be discovered and afterwards staked out'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because no one sells the rights to real gold locations :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'the mining and/or regular land too if it comes with both'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'lease doesnt pay'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'buy the mining rights along with the land :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Sure it does, the govt leases land to people all the time for oil and gas exploration, or mining.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and gold is a rock, what use is a rock to live for?'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they have lots of it where they're rich'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they took it from where they're poor'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'gold buys things'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'thats how'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'once u have gold u own the world :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'i wanna be yer gold salesman :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if you open up your physics elemental table you can see a radioactive element on there that calculates to transform a useless non-radioactive mineral into gold'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what's great about gold?  lots of this other piece of garbage'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'get the ability to get your hands on them radioactive minerals and you got yourself all the gold you want, you can even set up a entrance to a non-existant mine to make it appear as though you're digging it out of the earth'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You have a better chance of finding meteorites then you do of gold, and space rocks you find on earth go for big bucks to collectors.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah, but this other mineral and its transformer are both useless by themselves'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i went to school to get my grade 12 to go to more school to get a degree in a profession of my choosing for a debt, and decided while in physics to figure out how to make gold'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and there it is, pretty simple, maybe a dollar worth of materials, and 10,000 worth of results'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '100 bucks invested, medical school and law school paid off'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'another hundred, archaeology, mathematics and physics'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'by that time i would have any amount of worldly riches arriving for my degrees, then could invest in investing in myself and turn 1000 bucks into 1000*0000 every single day'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'flood the market with gold and its price drops'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'works with diamonds too'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'talk about a scam'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'wait...is glenn beck on here?'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'yes, yes, we know....gold'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'ron paul :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'wasted vote which will skewered the right/left outcome'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i'm glad he's on the right'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'course....i know i'm not the only one hoping for a palin nomination'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they already have Bachmann.  Palin's not getting in next year either.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'my teacher didn't seem amazed or to even care when i showed him how to turn useless minerals into gold according to the table'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'this here is how you conduct the medium through which people acheive their livelihood'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'no big deal'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'well, the Philosopher's Stone is only a metaphor to people who aren't in the know...'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'alchemy has been around way too long for their be to anything gained from it'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'er there'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'wthe'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'bachmann has lil chance too'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '*sniff sniff sniff*'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'democratic victory'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'nah, she's got the tea party on her side.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'not sure that's an advantage'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lot of angry tea party peeps lately'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it works well if you stay true to the image instead of copping out like that florida guy'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'the one where all the retired people live?'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '*grin*'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'mark rubio.  He's all but a democrat lapdog now.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'gingrich got on the shit list re medicaid/care'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'when a republican candidate for president doesn't stand behind congressional republicans ....there's definitley an issue to be addressed'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Washington really needs a wacky swedish chef with a large knife set loose upon it.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i'd attempt to do the muppet guy...but wld fail'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dokkar sings out "Bork! Bork! Bork! Bork!" as leafy vegetables go flying.
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'indeed'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i'd have went with an a...borka'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'ah...the muppets'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'animal!'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'trump isn't running...imagine that'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'shit, that should have got me a free ticket to physicsland, i could write for my masters degree 'how to create gold, for dummies', with access to the materials i need and the smelts to make the bar's that they then use to turn into money'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'not Kermit, though, he loves the pork too much.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'told ya....won't reveal finances'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and that folks, is how you invent what you're a slave to others for'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'if you can create gold from the other elements.....why are you online!!!'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'cause it's a theory based on their theory table'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'potential clients'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'based on someone else?....there's your problem'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'plus you need to have access to a radioactive materials in order to arrive at one half of the ingredients and raise eyebrows with the other half'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and most people can't get that'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then if i went to the jewler with a grain truck full of golden bar's imprinted with a pentagram or something, they might try to rob me!'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'burry it'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah, i want to offload 8 tonnes of gold, where do you think would be a good place?'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ealdwulf: 'you could get the radioactive materials by refining bananas'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'er bury'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'japan i'm sure will give you a good deal'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ealdwulf: 'be more subtle about it, use the gold to produce high end electronics'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'shake....move it'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'in and out'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i guess the more resistance it gives the surrounding materials, within a given polarity causes it to lift?'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'mis'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'nods'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'gay marriage?'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'everyone welcomes...good to know'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if they don't, they're considered racist'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'bigot'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'isn't race dependant'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): .Faust Necroshine protests the conceptual disambiguity
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'hermaphrodite souls o_0'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'yeah...but who can really tell with photoshop'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'California produces 80% of the worlds production of almonds.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'walnuts are up there too...if i recall correctly'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's cool, almonds are useful nuts'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'good source of protein'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the world produced almost 1.5 billion pounds of almonds in 2010, twice what was produced in 2000.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'anyone see the article on the reduction of cancer via the consumption of coffee?'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'GMO, or naturally grown?'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'bak....cable company 'working''
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I stopped reading to engage in extreme LOLage about synthetic weed making you a psycho.'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think GMO should be used as a laste resort always, when it's neccessary, and then original species should remain unaltered at the farmers discretion (and in the government preservation places), at least in one of the two cases, depending on what the demands are'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'll find this article about a corn crop that grew only GMO corn seeds from texas one year in the USA, the unaltered crops survived the disease that the GMO seeds were susceptible to'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'http://www2.nau.edu/~bio372-c/class/sex/cornbl.htm'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'bak...mutter'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'gonna interfere with my porn surfing at 2 am or so'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'anyone packed up for may 21st?'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'just curious'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'why/how was the date chosen?'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh sure, I sold all my stocks and bonds just in case....'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'invested in gold too ...right?'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'silver'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'its higher atm'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i still can't start a fight re gay marriage'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'mis'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'is marriage a religious term?'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the bible hints that the ceremony itself is a man-made custom, but religious people seem to fervently defy that'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'since you obviously can't judge faithfulness by being married in this world where it's more often seen as another opportunity to have some forbidden pleasure'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'but it is a religious term....as far as i keep hearing'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lol ...indeed....divorce is so common now'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'marks the catholics for the rest of us'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'that sounds bad'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'no off'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'so...if marriage is a religious term...why is it even used since we have sep of church and state?'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'civil union for all and only recognized by the government'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'nods....i knew you thought that'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'cause voters and business partners seek positive identity with others, and being married and of a certain religion adherent sells that to them'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'well...we know the religious right is strong now....but as the older generations pass away....will continue to get better'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'good to know we have peeps on here with no prejudice'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '...but then, i'd expect nothing less'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the one people see on tv the most may be the one they identify with the most, depending how its portrayed, like values, as stimulant to the advancement of the protagonist or not in that context'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'you looked that up'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '*grin*'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'who's thesis is that from?'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i remembered it from a story on propaganda and psychology'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'ah'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'pretty good mem'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah, i remember strange things, i'm not sure exactly how i filter my memory, but maybe by what seems more real than not'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'got lucky....great mem'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'least outside of the blackouts'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'but those usu come back when reminded'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah, i watched a little of a show last night disseminating the psychology of nero versus caesar (i think)'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'this guy sat there and talked as though he absolutely was there right there, and knew all about these people'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but maybe drawing blanks when considered in hindsight'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'was that me?'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'sort of, you mention media blackouts'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'and how did i feel?'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'just saying that it's difficult to see beyond the black unless you exist within it and come out'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'always the white man'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'the color that reflects all'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's no racist, black-out, it's using that word in a new context'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'people seem to identify with light and white representing the same (though one's a representation and the other a reality)'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and darkness as black'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or understanding and ignorance'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lol...never said black out was'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i'm am the farthest from prejudice/bigotry as you can get'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how many paintings of stars at night portray the stars as dark and the sky as white?'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'smartasses don't know color'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'you don't have any preferences?'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'when the lights are off....no'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '*wink*'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lots of silent peeps'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'btw....was referring to the reflection vs absorb of color/pigmentation'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'the pun obv wasn't conveyed'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'can't win them all'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Karkos grooves to the music.
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how do you believe salute's originated, as a hand over the eyes to your commander?  i think it may be related to squinting in the sunshine'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i smell a wo....w player'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'game we shant speak the name of'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lots of jibberish there'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'ever look at the sun and noticed that if you focus your eyes it appears to be light and darkness?  as though a continual eclipse that isn't often seen'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'esp after 3'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i noticed that, it's interesting'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'and then you can't see a damn thing'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lol noticed'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'wow'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i know, i know'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Karkos flexes his muscles...what a stud!?!
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i hear bin Laden was killed'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'LIAR'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'LIAR'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'LIAR'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'shut up republican'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Karkos looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i jest'
T3/r3/2011-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'speak on'
T3/r3/2011-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how many deaths does the average person survive in their lives?  average seems to change nation to nation, but lets say the longest living percentile of human, however they are preserved ~110 year lifespan, how many beings met their demise in that time?'
T3/r3/2011-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'does your supercomputers keep track of things like that?'
T3/r3/2011-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'in this moment how many individual beings are meeting their ends?'
T3/r3/2011-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what's the average death rate for a moment?'
T3/r3/2011-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you can sense a hostile spirit surrounding some of the principalities of power that operate in this world if you attempt to dismantle them with your thoughts'
T3/r3/2011-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it seems to be more than humanly possible to create that phenomenon'
T3/r3/2011-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'geriatricide among the baby-boomer set will solve most of our population problem.'
T3/r3/2011-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so will removing the useless young...'
T3/r3/2011-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'insofar, at least, that the next-longest-surviving generation doesn't end up killing themselves due to lack of expertise.'
T3/r3/2011-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if you watch the morons at work you can't doubt but that the world is coming to an end...'
T3/r3/2011-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1606065/ Geriatricide Br Med J. 1977 April 2'
T3/r3/2011-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1606065/ Geriatricide Br Med J. 1977 April 2 1(6065): 903.  PMCID: PMC1606065  Ian Donald'
T3/r3/2011-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah'
T3/r3/2011-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'let's see, can't count past ten unless they are bare footed, can't find their way to the bathroom without gps...'
T3/r3/2011-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'rather new theory, figuring out methods of population control ever since around 1900 in america/britain, 1943 wasn't enough of a learning lesson?'
T3/r3/2011-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if every man and woman had 1 child the world population would be maybe cut in half 3 times in 50 years'
T3/r3/2011-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but that's if they survive, people should have surviving offspring yeah'
T3/r3/2011-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'for that you would have to assume there would not be any natural disasters.'
T3/r3/2011-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'like all slop administrations pretending to represent the people, they can't be satisfied with having enough but having enough for 10,000 people is hardly sufficient over time'
T3/r3/2011-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they rather send their expendables off to murder eachother in games of control the herd'
T3/r3/2011-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's how it seems to me anyways, if i'm wrong then what i seen must be illusions'
T3/r3/2011-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'people really worship and trust people that rotten with cowardice or ignorance?'
T3/r3/2011-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it seems to be so'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'news flash, your government keeps money in existance in its borders, and your government making decisions based on it results in death'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '@_@ 1950-1962 foetal deformation medical industry @_@'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '1970 corn crop'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'somebody says somebody elses children should die, maybe he should show his faith in his doctrine by killing his first (hers)'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but nope, people say oh yeah?  that's wise, and i'm born dumb thanks for teaching me mentor, now i shall will thy will'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's how it seems anyways, is there a unreality to that assumption?'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think if everybody's to pay for the crimes of their ancestors, everybody can be traced back to a killer who wasn't tried in his time'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or her'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then you can practice the eye for an eye detail upon everybody including yourself'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'when you go invade a foreign nation, you ignore all of their laws while you murder them, and then you expect laws to be followed in your own borders, and assume that each member of staff is uncorrupted'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i never liked the concept of country much, those lines on the atlas seem a little too unreliable to be absolute'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and i haven't heard of a single one that's even close to resembling fair from the top to the bottom'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and like air is kind of like water, and oil is kind of like methane, the international systems set up by the governments may just be kind of like their land's fucked up systems'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oil is like methane?'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos goes, "Heh."
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'isn't that the gas that comes from their pits?'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'methane is swamp gas.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'oh, what is in a oil well?'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's a byproduct of organic decay. '
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Oil is like methane insofar as they are both both hydrocarbons'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The difference between oil and gas is that oil is composed of longer carbon chains'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, oil is a mixure of complex hydrocarbons.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oil refining is merely the act of separating its components.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'methane belongs to the paraffin series so I am sure there is some methane in crude oil. '
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what's the first emotion a person feels in life?'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Gratitude'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'It was dark in there.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'is that why babies cry when they're born?  glee? lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'LOL'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'is japan the oldest nation on earth?  usually it seems those lines on the atlast get shifted between being bigger/smaller countries and not countries at all any longer'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'like googling sweden here, it seems at one time finland was a part of it until a war in the 1800's'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wyverex: 'I DISAGREE'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wyverex: 'I WIN'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wyverex: 'THANK YOU SURE'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tenlorn: 'I also disagree, co-winning. It's also spelled "sir"'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'so....world ending tomorrow?'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'no one?'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'wld be nice to know the time'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the world will only end tomorrow if the Christians decide to get as violent as the Muslims.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'interesting'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'they should both go'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'however...shld be...as some muslims'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'as soon as they do, the muslims will figure it's game on and each side will one-up the other in an out of control spiral that ends with a crumbling civilization and a bunch of jews who will rise up to take over the world.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'wow....bigot and not ashamed'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'you'll never kill hate with hate'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'did you just not say christians and muslims should both go? Pot it's kettle'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'what i said was relative to religion'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'they should all go'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'bullshit'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'no picking on one'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'at least in teh states'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lost me'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'states?'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'the most charitable people who actually give money and time'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'why talk about religion? Are you guys religious?'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'self identified christians'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i'm not'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'no fairy tales'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'the intellectually superior class just wants to give other people's money'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'nevertheless...i respect others'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'Karkos, why not leave it at "i'm not?"'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'why not expand?'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'You obviously don't, saying "no fairy tales" is pretty provocative'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'the religious always like to 'preach' but always have a problem when the other side speaks up'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'were all religious, just some of us have made religions out of non obvious things'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'I'm not religious. :) I'm just really interested whenever people genuinely rant about religion and how it's bs or how it's the bee's knees'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'does this may 21st guy have any texts to back up his date or is it 100% made up?'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'nods...i didn't bring it up'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'I love how people have the time and energy to expend into something that's totally in someone else's head'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's made up.  It's a refactored version of the endtimes said to happen in 1994'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'not sure re 21st5'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'I mean, it's like telling someone their favorite color is wrong.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'where did it come from re 21st'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i've missed that'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'fact/fiction'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'my wife trying to argue or debate me into enjoying brussel sprouts'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'eat your veggies'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i work the v8'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'easier'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'i like veggies as long as they know their place and dont get in the way of the meat'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's an easy decision until she starts feeding the camel.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'lol I'd hate to have a wife. My rings would be the first thing to go.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lol eye'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: ''fraid to ask re 'rings''
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'I've got these gymnastic rings hanging in the middle of my living room'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'no one knows? re the world ending saturday?'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'what everyone glosses over with regards to religion, is that it has been the driving vehicle for transmitting normative behaviour and standards for conduct for the past 5,000 years'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i agree'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'conflicts obviously occur when cultures are mixxed'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'll tell you Sunday'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lol ab'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'need to make sure i got smokes tonight'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you realize that those standards of behavior weren't actually standardized in all those 5000 years, right?'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'get the disaster kit out'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'why?'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if it ends, you don't need them'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'everyone that wants to throw out religion never stops to think what will replace it'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'yeah...but i want to be smoking one....proof it didn't kill me'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'part of the reason we are in mess now, we have the wishy washy I'm okay you're okay, it's all good nothing matters mess'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'here's my peeve...if L.Ron Hubbard can create a religion in the past 50 years...on some wacked out ideas...and people 'pay to pray' as it were.....one must question the validity of any religion.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'you illustrating man's inherent need for certainity and answers'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'look who tends to flock to scientology, they were all told the old religions were passe'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'aren't they?'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'so he swept in with a modern version of snake oil'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'agreed'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'yeah, our brains evolved with a catastrophic problem with the unknown.  People can go crazy just because the subconscious saw something interesting that the conscious brain couldn't figure out.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'its essentially a networking organization imo'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'or can just be crazy anyways *griN*'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'ayup, and for a more elite group of people, the impoverished can't participate except at the lowest levels'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Karkos nods at Eyeque.
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'people fall into a broad spectrum'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'an asshole who finds religion, is probably still just a religious asshole'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'odd to think about....tis essentially a flip from other religions'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'elite vs common'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'a good man who finds religion, will probably use his faith as a vehicle to drive him to do more good'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'faith is ok....helps some people'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'and the bible has a lot of good in it...not all *wink*'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'though some religions at some points in history were or are used to exploit the murderous rapacious instincts '
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'one of the greatest novels ever'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'but new religions are borne all the time'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'nods'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: '200 years ago if we are still alive historians will probably consider certain groups of sports fans, and environmental groups religions, cults, or secs'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'if i recall...didn't hubbard talk about creating a religion a while before scientology'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, the bible is certainly not a novel. For some, it's the literal word of God, for others it's a collection of allegorical stories, but in either event, it's not a novel.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'cld be'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'none lasting.  It's all a carefully orchestrated campaign to draw in more followers to the big 3.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'they have holy vestments, rituals, and prayers or chants'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'if its not a novel, then what is it?'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'football fans i mean'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the bible is an anthology.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'never seen that label in the library'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'What I just wrote, is what it is. And probably more, too, but not a novel, which is a calculated and deliberate fiction.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'fiction is what a novel is'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'they have prescibed times when they must engage in communal ritualistic celebrations'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'football is a religion :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'It is in the deep south, it appears ;)'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'go vols *puke*'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'not hating on any religion specifically btw'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'hate em all equally'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'still don't remember seeing....where is this 5/21 scenario coming from?'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'California, naturally.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'but context?'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'is it biblical?'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'The guy who dreamed it up seems to think so.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'or based on the ancients?'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'more like Heaven's Gate, but without the free ride out.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'http://lmgtfy.com/?q=who+says+the+world+will+end+may+21%3F'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'No, biblical.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'bummer'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'free ride is always good'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'course'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'cash, grass, or ass.....no one rides for free'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'deep stuff here....are bumper stickers dying out?...haven't seen many lately'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'that's crazy shit'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'bumper stickers are part of the evil Big Paper.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'don't worry, be happy'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'again...just seems i don't see as many'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'least less the political one'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I just told you why.  Most of the protesting bloc have signed on to the Green movement and are trying to save the planet by engaging in uber-recycling efforts.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'deep man'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'need'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I recently saw a pretty funny bumper sticker, Karkos. Feminist, to say the least, but a great line... Men Are Idiots, and I Married Their King'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i like'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'bet it sells well'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Not sure. Only saw it the one time, two or three months ago.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'still...i like'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Saw another one, a take of on the old Visualize World Peace. It said, Visualize Using Your Turn Signal'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'visualize whirled peas'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Yeah, whirled peas has been around for a while, heh'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'someone should make a bumper sticker, bright white background with tiny words in the middle that say "Your cutrate insurance might not cover you from mayhem like me slamming on the brakes right now."'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'odd...i swear i just want to ram some pple'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Unless you're a hemorrhoid, GET OFF MY ASS.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'what was that'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'fried green tomatos'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'no jokes'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'she pulverized that volkswagon'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i just don't understand how you accidentally ran into a car 6 times'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I've never had a vanity plate on my car, but a buddy (with a very nice car indeed) has this one: JAG4U2NV'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I don't get it...'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'had a friend with a 'ledzep' in high school'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'only person i've known'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'jag for you to envy'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Jag for you to envy, Dokkar'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'got some smart ones'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'up in here'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if I get a vanity, mine's going to say IMWSTPD'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lol...wonder how often that's used'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I was going for GOATSE'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'More than good bumper stickers, I'm kind of addicted to Jack Handy's Deep Thoughts. Love those.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Like jewels in a crown, the precious stones glittered in the queen's round metal hat.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Love that one :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'l'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'er...lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'course...my favorite is....Obama 2012'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '*duck*'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'how we feeling about this palestinian / israel comment?'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'As the evening sky faded from a salmon color to a sort of flint gray, I thought back to the salmon I caught that morning, and how gray he was, and how I named him Flint.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'The man is delightfully insane.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'sounds good to me personally'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Karkos grins evilly.
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'was thinking was good myself'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'we been fing around with them for too long'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'they have to stop fighting for the middle east to ever become stable'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Obama's comment doesn't accomplish that, though.  Will probably make it worse, depending on how much force he can muster behind it.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'nods'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'agreed...but at least is commenting on'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i just like he does stuff'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'the government gets so stagnant'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'yes/block/yes/block....repeat'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'that's like 'obamacare' as its been labelled'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'nothing has to be permanent'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Nevada is getting all the benefits of it and none of the costs.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'pple freaking on something we cld change at any min'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'nevada won't even notice...all about illegals there'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'also, death panels are Obama's Iraqi WMD.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'iraqi wmd is def not obama'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'perhaps another administration?'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that's not what I said, dumbass.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'any health care system has 'death panels' in one or another form'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'clarify then'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'obama is amazingly productive he has done so much'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: '/end sarcasm'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'iraq's wnd was not an obama thing'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'perhaps tinada....but that stays true for insurance companies currently'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'presently...today'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'remember...its not covered'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Yes, and conservatives would rather reduce social security to the bone, raise the age to 80 or higher, reduce taxes on their friends the wealthy, but keep all the tax breaks, deductions, and other gimmies in the tax code, but keep spending $1 trillion dollars a year on military budget and 2 wars.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'fact is.....we're way behind re healthcare vs other countries'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'education'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'too....tis pitiful there'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'healthcare in the US costs 2-3x as much then other western countries.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'looks right'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'guess mind you'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and yet we still have floods of uncitizens coming over for healthcare.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'gonna have to give it up dokk'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'never stop illegals'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: ''death panels' is just another expression for 'we have limited resources, and have to stop somewhere''
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I wasn't talking about illegals, Karkos.  We just give healthcare away for free to the illegals.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'think that's what my insurance company said.,....i forget'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Because anyone can walk into a hospital ER and get help, that is fine, but there needs to be controls on prices.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if they had to pay for it, would it really make all that much sense to slip into a country where it costs 2-3x as much?'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'A single payer system is the best way for most things.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but at the same time, the govt needs to be able to negotiate the BEST prices for things.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'confused....your original comment contained 'uncitizens'...then your reply again referred to giving away healthcare to...guess who...illegals'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'that's where governement mandated hc comes in'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'in the world of Karkos, anyone who is not an American citizen must be an illegal if he's coming to visit America.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'visit?'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Karkos pats Dokkar on his head.
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'yes, we DO have a visa/passport system here.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'its working well i hear'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and Canadians, etc are coming over to get healthcare that is either denied them in the home country or is taking too long for them to get.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'universal healthcare only works if you have a strong preventative healthcare system, and the US doesnt.  The US is a reactionary society, not a preventative one.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'sorry...smart ass by nature'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i agree with that riz'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 're reaction'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'so...do the republicans have anyone...anyone!?'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Ron Paul'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Just the same old crap.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'ugh'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'go palin!'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Karkos ducks defensively.
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'well, he's smarter and more honest than the current and previous presidents..'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Reduce taxes, increase spending on pet programs, and screw the non wealthy.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we only have like a year and a half before the world ends.  Do you really want Obama to be President at that time?'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'not sure it'll matter who is in charge'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'have the golden child take a 4-year vacation so he's not tainted by any "the world actually will end" or "OMFG, these people are retarded crazy!"'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'iii...ii iiiii want the knife'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'in civilized countries (read: western europe..), random people from anywhere can get into hospitals and receive emergency treatments.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'if it's not urgent, you get to go home and wait..'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'nods...american hc is bs'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'where's your insurance?'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'sad part is pple don't realize their healthcare goes up every time someone can't pay or files bk'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we realize this.  It's the dumbass bleeding-heart doctors and nurses who can't stomach the fact that people will have to die.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'no 1 cause of bks....medical bills'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'do no harm'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'part of it is based on legal obligations, but really it's just a conflict borne of the hammurabi code'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'the conflict being?'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'don't have my history book beside me'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that is, they lie, cheat, and steal to do the good deed so they can sleep at night.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '*coughchristianscough*'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'as long as sunday is coming./.....we're ok'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'yes'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'Bullet to the head of barack obama by Mossad'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'bullet to the head of bill clinton by mossad'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'bad times'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'bullet to the head of corrupt politians'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'can't touch the clinton pimp'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'we dont need cronyism and corruption '
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i expect to say the same thing about Obama in 5 more years'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'hails his guns proudly'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'cold dead hands?'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'Just like yitzak rabin was killed, its time to assasignate barack obama'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'does anyone really believe guns wld ever go away via the government?'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'we dont need a president anti israel'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'told it like it was'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'too much coddlign'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'butchered that spelling'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: '????? ??????. ??? ??? ?????. ????? ??????. ????????. ???? ?????'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'if that was anyone other than israel, they'd be toast'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'butchered?'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'means i can't spell'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'or...'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'too lazy to look up'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if you could spell, look up wouldn't matter'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'true dat'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'unless you're in the habit of looking up words you already can spell?'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'conveyance is more important than spelling though...imo'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'same thing with you grammar police'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, it's not.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'you heard me starling'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'yes, yes it is'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if conveyance was more important, we'd not bother making fun of MXit.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'does it matter if i spell the message correctly that you'll get crushed by that next boulder....or is it more important to convey the matter'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'foreign languages usu don't convey'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'fuck off'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'conveyance....fyou spelling police'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'thoughts exactly'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'DEath to crony politians, get the guns out and LETS GO SHOOTING!'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'its hunting seasons on corrupt politicians'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'can we invite cheney?'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'dont take away my right to 2nd amendment rights, dont take away my freedoms'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'dont stick me in a foreclosure mess this country created with the corrupt bankers and politicians who were in bed with the process'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'its time to get busy, hand out guns and go hunting'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'bitter eh?'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'its hunting season!!!!'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'rabbitt season'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'cadmus'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'mis'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'losers are corrupt'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'losers come in all forms'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'buy american!'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'buy american what?'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'everything'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'i don't buy american anything'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'tell everyone why'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'hrmm...means you in another country i suspect'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'I don't live in America?'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'is that all?'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'that's the only reason?'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'if I were American, I might buy American'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'i think its horrible that Barack Obama claims Bin Laden is dead then comes back around with anti israel propaganda'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'if that's what you're angling at'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'why?'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'it's not anti-Israel'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'Blogovich trial is underway right now'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'its likely just a marketing ploy, put fear in people and they turn to god.  makes the church more money in the long run'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'next pig in the roast is barack with a bullet to his skull'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'the end of days crap, that is'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'obama's stance on Israel is considerably more reasonable than his predecessors'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'I think we're medding in the affairs of other nations. We shouldn't have propped up Israel in the first place. '
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'Given them billions of our dollars.'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'the money really isn't a issue, we made it out of thin air'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'we do need to mind our own business though'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'This is the richest country in the world. Richest soil, most minerals...How are we broke?'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) RonPaul: 'rhetorical question'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'when you're no 1...only one way to go'
T3/r3/2011-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu did not meet with Israeli agent Jonathan Pollard's wife Esther before he left to Washington on Thursday night but he did reassure her that her husband's fate would be on his agenda when he met with US President Barack Obama on Friday. '
T3/r3/2011-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'Harris was murdered in the state department just like Vince Foster was murdered'
T3/r3/2011-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'reading corsi's book where is the birth certificate now, its on AMAZON.COM in SEARCH FORM'
T3/r3/2011-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'thats why Obama's great, he took a look at all the dumb stuff GW did, and said I'm going to double down on that'
T3/r3/2011-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am expecting that from now on all US presidents will have to present a birth certificate to the public.'
T3/r3/2011-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'whos here?????'
T3/r3/2011-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'Let's talk about fat people on planes.'
T3/r3/2011-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'I think it's awesome they get charged extra.'
T3/r3/2011-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'why would I board a plane? have you watched Snakes on a plane?'
T3/r3/2011-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hail! Ceasar: 'http://xkcd.com/107/'
T3/r3/2011-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'as awful as that movie was, it was much better than Trouser Snakes on a Plane.'
T3/r3/2011-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'I haven't seen it. :<'
T3/r3/2011-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'BUT I did watch MEGAMIND! That has got to be the best animation EVRE'
T3/r3/2011-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'ever'
T3/r3/2011-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Varas turns beet red, and hides his face in his palm.
T3/r3/2011-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'even better than Avatar?'
T3/r3/2011-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'haven't seen avatar'
T3/r3/2011-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'I can't believe this. I've asked like everyone who's seen the latest animations (UP, Rio, all the POS madagascars and ice ages and stuff, and Despicable me, which was totally ghastly, and NO ONE has seen megamind!)'
T3/r3/2011-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I ran out of money'
T3/r3/2011-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sepulchure looks at Dokkar and goes "Heh."
T3/r3/2011-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'there are whole lot of movies I wanted to see but couldn't, and I used to go every week.'
T3/r3/2011-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'I think it's because of all these crap like crazy movies have come out, like the ones mentioned (excluding UP, which was awesome) have toned down the standards'
T3/r3/2011-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'but Megamind. Man that was a good movie.'
T3/r3/2011-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'stopped watching movies when I realized that I could watch them cheaper at home on cable'
T3/r3/2011-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'my home theatre system lacks the "theatre system" parts.'
T3/r3/2011-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'plus, when I go to the movies, I can come back and be like "OMG, did you like see that giant dick on the back of that girl's head?! LAWLZ!"'
T3/r3/2011-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hail! Ceasar: 'so actually, your home theatre lacks the "home" part.'
T3/r3/2011-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sepulchure laughs out loud.
T3/r3/2011-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'one of the best easter eggs like that was in the Air Bender movie.'
T3/r3/2011-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'animated movies rarely have audio tracks that require any decent home theater setup'
T3/r3/2011-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'true, but my home has lots of sunshine, lights, and other movie-watching wreckage at play.'
T3/r3/2011-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'lights usually have switches...no curtains at home?'
T3/r3/2011-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'not thick ones that block out the light, no.  They're wispy little things that look great on the window.'
T3/r3/2011-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'did the world end somewhere today?'
T3/r3/2011-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, it ends for a lot of people every day, heh.'
T3/r3/2011-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'i love my guns and don't fucking try to take them away from me'
T3/r3/2011-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'obama is a pimp?'
T3/r3/2011-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'or a good fake pimp '
T3/r3/2011-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'hell if know'
T3/r3/2011-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'time will tell'
T3/r3/2011-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'a fo'pimp'
T3/r3/2011-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i just appreciate we doing things'
T3/r3/2011-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'right / wrong....moving'
T3/r3/2011-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'that is something'
T3/r3/2011-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'nods...right or wrong...we can address'
T3/r3/2011-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'next!!!'
T3/r3/2011-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'The New Jersey Casino Control Commission is scheduled to approve the $38 million sale on Monday, clearing the way for new owner Landry's Inc. to officially take over at 6 a.m. Tuesday.'
T3/r3/2011-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110521/pl_nm/us_obama_mideast_netanyahu'
T3/r3/2011-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'mis'
T3/r3/2011-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'sour grapes etc'
T3/r3/2011-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'mis'
T3/r3/2011-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'romney vs ron paul'
T3/r3/2011-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'raise hand if you think u can pay no taxes by buying real estate on earned profit assuming no losses and no deductions for previous losses'
T3/r3/2011-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The power of one EF-5 tornado is the same as 2 medium sized nuclear reactors, or 1 billion KwH of energy.'
T3/r3/2011-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'are you suggesting making whirlwinds in giant machines could produce electricity?'
T3/r3/2011-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That idea was used in a Sliders episode....it destroyed the planet. :p'
T3/r3/2011-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): .Faust Necroshine falls down laughing.
T3/r3/2011-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'well, wind is a scary thing'
T3/r3/2011-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vvarm: 'if you could run and clamp one on a moving tornado, there's a job with some excitement'
T3/r3/2011-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i could run a huge generator from the river next to me right now'
T3/r3/2011-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'extreme riggers'
T3/r3/2011-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'micro hydro is a good thing.'
T3/r3/2011-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i wonder how optimal hydroelectric use of water is, i never did become an engineer in that, but as the valves get tighter the pressure becomes greater'
T3/r3/2011-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We used micro hydro to produce power for our setnet site in rural Alaska.'
T3/r3/2011-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Was great, we had hot showers, radio, satellite tv, lights, etc from it.'
T3/r3/2011-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vvarm: 'cool, what does a setup like that even look like?'
T3/r3/2011-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vvarm: 'im assuming a big bank of batteries'
T3/r3/2011-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'our cabin was near the base of a 800 foot tall mountain with a medium sized salmon river.'
T3/r3/2011-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Watching the footage taken of the massive tornado outbreak a month ago.....it is amazing...and 3 EF-5 tornados is scary...usually only get 1 a season.'
T3/r3/2011-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'A lady and her 3 kids were in a house that was swept up by one of the EF-5 tornados, the house landed a block away from where it was, but all 4 survived.'
T3/r3/2011-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'media speculation about palin running for president and home purchase in az'
T3/r3/2011-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'nice home, doesnt mean its hers :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'on that note, '
T3/r3/2011-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grexo: 'i got squat in life, never will get more'
T3/r3/2011-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'The radiation in part of the No1 reactor at Fukushima has suddenly risen to over 200 sievert/hr. http://atmc.jp/plant/rad/'
T3/r3/2011-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'now that Joplin, MO is no longer on the map, we've got room for more settlers.  Any takers? Grexo?'
T3/r3/2011-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'how about arnold and his baby?'
T3/r3/2011-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'new biography of sarah palin?'
T3/r3/2011-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ataxia: 'how to get pregnant before 20?'
T3/r3/2011-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'momma who's governor?'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'legalize mary jane?'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yes.'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'agreed...waste of money'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'like you have a chance of stopping'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'marijuana is a product of the earth, might as well charge britain for bringing mussels into the great lakes river system while you're banning cannabis'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'never stop'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'be legal in 10 yrs...and they'll wonder why we didn't tax for the past 10 yrs'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Karkos grins evilly.
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i can go find any drug i want if i search, and they're mostly illegal here'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'does eatting vagasil really make you dumb?'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'feds gonna win ....or states...cali being at the forefront?'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'having them illegal just ups their price and creates a cops and robbers game, with a kingy stigma to jucify the eager rebels'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'wld it matter edicius?'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'and crime in mexico'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'same here necro'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'just saw where it has moved south'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'guata being hit hard'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'i can call someone and have anything at my door withing the hour'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'hour?'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'gotta become more 'regular''
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'like i said, if the government provided those same drugs for sale, with treatment options available to withdraw from them (maybe being their eventual goal) competing with the illegal trade-route's market price, the poorest bum on the corner could be drowning in all the alcohol or other substance he wants and the crooks would be the government'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'peeps be there in 15'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'first thing you learn is you always have to wait'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'i hate waiting for pot to grow llol'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but in this case, the government would provide a haven for the addicts once the progidal son returned home, control the quality of the products, and erase the crime-rings surrounding the drugs by flooding the market with them'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'emerald triangle?'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'or coop in another state?'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i'm ashamed to be from texas!'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it would also combat crime's committed (and also supported by ) governments in lands the substances come from'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'as , canada for instance, could commission 8 10,000 acre mining sections for use in hydroponic grow ops and provide an analogous growing condition for constant harvesting of coca or other substances that tens of thousands of people here are murdered for in a year'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'nod'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you could fuel the plants through a mix of several power conduits and sell them for less than the dealers who peddle their drugs from south america sell theirs for'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'canada leading re north america'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'hell...maybe mexico can make some work jobs outta it'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so eventually, corrupt politicians down there see that cocaine really isn't much money any more, and turn to more sentient produce for solutions'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'cocaine will never be legal'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'place your bets'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah, mexico should adopt a unionized workers-protection system, where they're not underpaid doing whatever task they perform though, so that they can afford to live with their earnings'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'twisting'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'cocaine's a natural substance, you're attempting to say that the earth will never be legal'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'gonna have to make a road to citizenship for the illegals'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i think you have to do some chemistry to make cocaine'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it doesn't grow natively here by natural means, but through hydroponics and others it could grow'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lsd too modi'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and it gets here anyways, it's the reason that person over there was just shot'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe to get it in its crack rock form'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'no its easier to make than lsd'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'as far as i know cocaine itself exists in the leaves of the coca plant, and like in the movie blow, they stomp on it to squeeze the juice out'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'heroine and pure codein and pure morphine require chemistry to separate, that's from opium poppies'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'heroine is a derivative from morphine, opium itself is composed of several opiates'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'hell...cod is passed through every pain  clinic around'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'might get methodone if lucky'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i got a friend in prison and one cremated for that shiet'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'illegal since 1940 these drugs are, used to treat pain in 1890 was heroine - still used today in britain occasionally by doctors'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'for what?'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah, it is dangerous'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'mary was criminalized for the hispanics because of the great depression'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think my strategy for erasing drug-violence and organized crime involving them is more proactive'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'the one in prison, lucky his g/f survived overdose'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'guess they'll take texas back...since israel is allowed to land grab'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'guess they'll take texas back...since israel is allowed to land grab'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'haha, good luck on that, We whooped the mexicans once before, we can do it again.'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '..but does that make it right?'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure does'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'actually....texas was independant'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'before they asked to join the union because they were broke'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I was referring to Texas whooping the mexicans, not the americans.'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'not an american thing'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but the danger is mostly in bad - dealers, and bad - people the users have to deal with'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'they were both mexicans'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'least majority'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'texicans were not mexicans.'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'consider a kid buying a bag of 'dazed and confused' marijuana to have a giggle with his friends, to find out the giggle was laced with angel dust'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'sure riz'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'suggest you read on'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if the government didn't leave that substance illegal that kid would have survived, as it were, the kid if he did survive could have became a snapcase homicidal maniac or life-long vegetable'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'wiki can't alwaYS be dependant on'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'santa anna and the mexican govt 'invited' the americans to texas, er northern mexico to colonize it.'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'and texas asked to join the union....because they were bk'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the texicans eventually decided on self representation, and the mexican govt decided they needed to go'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'texas wasnt broke'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'THEY made the move'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'again...i suggest you read some history'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'texas was just tired of fighting against the mexicans....perhaps you should as well.'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'been around a time or two'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'need sources then'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: ''sides wikiu'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how about 200 years of family living in Texas, and nothern mexican before texas existed. :p'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'texas was mexico'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'means nothing'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think america was founded before mexico, wasn't it?'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'so was california'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i've lived in tn for quitej a while...not barefoot or pregnant'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'who put all of those dividing lines south of the american border?'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go back to your liberal schools and faulty textbooks.'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'truth hurts eh?'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'texas asked to join the union because they were bk'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'sorry if you not educated about it'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US wanted texas in the union as well'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which is why most of what texas wanted by joining was given to it.'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'part of which was the war debt :p'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'agreed re war debt'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'and the fight'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'fact remains......they wanted to join the union re fiscal reasons'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'texas didnt join the union for money though, it was for increased protection against a war mongering mexico though.'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'not for money'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'they'd already spent it'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'still waiting on a few of those sources'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Karkos grins evilly.
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i love arguing with someone with no clue'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'course...don't we all'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'found it?'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'course...texas territory extended way up north'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'glenn beck?...anyone?'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'must be overwhelmed with republicans'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'course...double is running'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'fool believe in religion'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think spirituality exists, but no religion's are the authentic absolute word of deity above all deity'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'look at how they divide against themselves, there is no religion not divided against itself with their varying interpretations'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'agreed'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'they all same in perspective'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i think heaven and hell exists here on earth'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'some are more intolerant than others in their divisions, like hinduism for instance, a hindu can be an atheist if they like'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or believe in whatever they like, it's a philosophy'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'nods...hindu seems the closest to logic'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i like some of their philosophies'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and most or all religious texts have some message within their words, no matter how many riddles are involved - only most of them seem to favour a certain fraction of human social abstraction above the others, or a strain of human dna passed down, no matter how repulsive'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'religious texts follow the same formula'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so with those i take what makes some kind of sense to me, and attempt to uncover the meanings to the mysteries'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'gonna be a test, gonna be a savior, gonna be the hated antagonist'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'always'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'and as i've stated before, if L Ron Hubbard can create a successful religion in the past 50 yrs or so....one has to question the validity of any religion'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i'm not headed into a volcano btw'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'must be hell for me'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'we knew that though no?'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vvarm: 'you'll likely always be going to someone's hell'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'nods...several at a time'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vvarm: 'haha'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'course...the worms might have issue'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'nelly'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'can't keep up'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'country grammar'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'doh'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'obama is a pimp?'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'if there's a separation of church and state....and marriage is a religious term....why isn't civil union used for any federal purposes?'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'shld all be called 'civil unions''
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'guys are making me feel pretty strong'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Apolly: 'not a debate when we all agree :P'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'ah'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'usu always someone in need of re'education'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Apolly: 'but, that said, the christian population would go INSANE if the federal government contemplated giving "marriage" rights to "civil unions". ya know, cause...uh...discrimination and hate and all that jazz.'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'kk...lost me re christian'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'time'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i wish government wld get over the bs'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'stand up bitches'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Apolly contemplatively looks at Karkos, while slowly nodding his head and going, "Hmmm ...".
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'is what i apprecaite the israel comment re obama'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'last 50 yrs has accomplished nothing'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'say it, preach it'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'don't be coy'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'last 50 yr strategy obv hasn't worked'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'shit or off the pot'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'not sure i got time either way'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'soab'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'why are brothers the most common incidences of homosexual behavior prior to adulthood?'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'Because your mother drank and couldn't be bothered to look after you two properly'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'A young boy crumbles as he is battered to death!!'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'no brothers...so not sure how that applies'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '*sigh*'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '?'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'does the realization of perception...affect perception?'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'it affects ability to process data >_> so yes?'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'sounds logical'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'once known'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'regardless of however miniscule'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'filtering useless data and concentrating on wanted/needed can actually make a fairly noticeble difference'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'the useless data can actually be usefull...over a long time'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'like when I filter a bottle of Jack through your moms?'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'you can't take a bottle'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL pounces on Juxtaposed Jexebelle, pinning her to the ground.
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'trust me...was on probation for it'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Karkos winks suggestively.
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'electorial college...pro / con / antiquated?'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Paradoxically, foreign carmakers use more American (US/Canadian but not Mexican) parts than American carmakers.'
T3/r3/2011-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'lol, they're hoping to hold a convention in St. Louis for people who decide where to hold conventions.'
T3/r3/2011-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sir Mandy Mandorallen: 'How do trademarks apply to domain name registrations? If you own the trademark for a name, are you legally entitled to the domain name?'
T3/r3/2011-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eno'
T3/r3/2011-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no'
T3/r3/2011-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, you aren't allowed to pass yourself off as the company in question'
T3/r3/2011-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i read that a company with a name that exists before a website has its name has the ability to take that site away'
T3/r3/2011-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or one of its synonyms'
T3/r3/2011-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't think that's a global rule'
T3/r3/2011-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sir Mandy Mandorallen: 'Oh, okay, thanks - I will have to read up on that one.'
T3/r3/2011-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i read something about it on a big ass law website, and the history of DNS and the rules they have'
T3/r3/2011-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a highly subjective area'
T3/r3/2011-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sir Mandy Mandorallen: 'Do you remember what  the address of that law website was?'
T3/r3/2011-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'www.yerrskroodlaw.com'
T3/r3/2011-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sir Mandy Mandorallen smirks at Dokkar's saying.
T3/r3/2011-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'http://osaka.law.miami.edu/~froomkin/articles/icann-body.htm maybe this one'
T3/r3/2011-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sir Mandy Mandorallen thanks .Faust Necroshine heartily.
T3/r3/2011-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Postel i was reading up on this guy, he's one of the main people who built the internet'
T3/r3/2011-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'didn't you hear that Al Gore invented it?'
T3/r3/2011-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you can find links to a bunch of information, but i recall that somewhere in the underlying framework of the DNS, a company has exclusive rights to a domain name that is directly linked to its own trademark'
T3/r3/2011-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so people bartering domain names that happen to belong to companies are actually in the wrong'
T3/r3/2011-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'Almost as soon as it was in place, the ICANN board undertook major decisions, beginning with the agenda set out in the White Paper. ICANN pushed Network Solutions, Inc. (NSI), the monopoly registry and dominant registrar, to allow more competition among registrars. ICANN also instituted mandatory arbitration of trademark claims. ICANN's "Uniform Dispute Resolution Policy" (UDRP) requires every registrant in .com, .org, or .net to agree to arbitration before ICANN-selected arbitration providers if any trademark owners anywhere in the world feel aggrieved by their registration of a term similar to that trademark.'
T3/r3/2011-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'things like that's what i remembered'
T3/r3/2011-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'youtu.be ? haha'
T3/r3/2011-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i wonder what kind of things could come of it'
T3/r3/2011-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'randomly enough, most of that stuff is hosted in california, which is where most of the smut on the internet comes from, and most of that smut started appearing around 1998 on the internet, i think'
T3/r3/2011-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe it's their side-jobs'
T3/r3/2011-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sir Mandy Mandorallen: 'Okay, thanks for the pointers. That article is going to take a lot of time to digest.'
T3/r3/2011-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'most of the internet smut predates the internet.'
T3/r3/2011-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'sometimes, Grandma and Grampa really knew how to work the camara and weren't shy when doing so.'
T3/r3/2011-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'pictures from those days don't have that same non-polaroid hue to them'
T3/r3/2011-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'says bill clinton's involved somewhere in this guys history, he liked those secretarial blow jobs'
T3/r3/2011-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i guess we can chalk all of the immorality on here up to dr.randym'
T3/r3/2011-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they make businesses out of internet smut in detox centres in most major cities'
T3/r3/2011-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'even small towns make a few extra bucks by fucking on a camera'
T3/r3/2011-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the internet's a progressive tool'
T3/r3/2011-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): .Faust Necroshine listens to some slayer and blows up the video game holograms in his tiger
T3/r3/2011-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'there's even a fetish niche dedicated to Big Brother (another is formed by the TV/internet show of the same name)'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The Right Stuff is a damn good movie.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'is there some sort of rule that forbids media from talk about Ron Paul (except to state that he obviously can't win..)?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or talking about, perhaps..'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'is he special?  i never heard of him'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada shrugs helplessly.
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'he seems to be honest, which is apparently special in dc'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'hes consistent, and principled'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'I can't say his positions on anything have changed dramatically in over 10 years'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Warburg this guy here seems to have a relative who http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Warburg said : "We shall have world government, whether or not we like it. The question is only whether world government will be achieved by consent or by conquest." (Feb. 17, 1950, to the United States Senate Committee on Foreign Relations)['
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'interesting people we never hear speak of'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i wonder who their current run-of-the-mill ancestor is'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'constant warfare forever and ever until everything is perfect as they see perfect to be perfect'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the older one predicted the poverty dirty 30's'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'laws against rape in their own borders, but that won't stop them from slipping their phallic lawyers into foreign whores'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'what are you discussing Necro?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'or iterating'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'your mastermind philanthropists'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'my?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they're in your 'higher people' special castes'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'still not grasping your pronoun usage'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'des profoundist'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'your implying endorsement or ownership exists on my part'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): .Faust Necroshine squeels like a imaginary pig
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I think he means it rhetorically, as in "your garden-variety whatever"'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'your an intelligent guy but sometimes your phrasing obscures your points'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Read the right books and you'll hear about Warburg, I think. He is generally considered to have been the man behind the first version of the FRS legislation'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'for all the negative conspiracies real or imagined, there's nothing to stop people from organizing for a positive objective'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'ask the rich man why he lives in a town filled with beggars and he'll scoff while admonishing how they're too lazy to work, feigning blindness to the absence of opportunity his presence leeches from the horizon'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like an awful lot of humbugging'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It's sort of funny that 100 years ago, six men representing 'the money trust' met in secret at Jekyll Island to create he FRS, and these days big banks openly write bank legislation'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'A conspiracy then, public knowledge now'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't like banks, don't give them money'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'nothing wrong with banks, but banks writing rules about banking is rarely a good idea'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are plenty of things wrong with banks'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the dna evidence versus the money, rape case in new york from the high priest of bankings billionairre lawyer crew'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'well, ok, there are plenty of things wrong with banks :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as the $12 billion in compensation UK banks are about to pay out in compensation shows'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Hmm. The problem, Necro, is that unless the rich man inherited his wealth, he likely had the drive it takes to apply himself to one enterprise or another. So we end up despising our betters -- which, frankly, they often *are* -- rather than admiring and respecting them.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'supposedly a woman from his home-whorehouse of france who testifies it happened before'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'determination can do a lot augment your bank account'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i wonder if she'll just disappear or not, made with a scrotum of money like that you ought to have some seeds in the disappearing people interests'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'I could make a lot more money than i do now I will was willing to take on more porjects'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'more frightening to the banks is the other side of the picture, many of us could spend a lot less than we do :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'projects even'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there was a tv series on Channel 4 in the uk recently called "Super Scrimpers"'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one of the features of this program was troubleshooting families who weren't making ends meet'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what was astonishing was that some of these families had incomes above $100,000 and were still in debt'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shows that most debt is caused by stupidity'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that families that stay rich over generations usually do so because they know how NOT to spend money'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'a lot of people spend money on meaningless things, and neglect saving'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'nah, one gets rich from crimes that they're reasonably sure nobody will notice and can't be directly tied to them'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one such family spent more on takeaway food than I earn'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'as the corruption spreads they commit more elaborate schemes, convinced their chains of command won't shake the stable'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I don't think that's the only way to get rich.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'necro have you ever owned a business?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'getting rich isn't important, really'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'getting self-sufficient is'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'no, i have no desire to either'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'too much bull-shit to put up with'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'I'm a sole proprietor, I could probably double my income if I was willing to work harder'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'be a trade off on my quality of life though, and thats all my own labor and no one elses'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'money isn't everything'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's all about the guano act and king george'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'you can relatively wealthy without exploiting anyone but it takes focus and drive that is probably borderline neurosis'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'You could, for example, be blessed with immense natural athletic talent, then apply yourself to developing that talent, then play major league baseball and become quite well-to-do indeed. And you can do that without an shady scheme at all. But without the native talent, it just won't work.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'you can get relatively'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'http://www.businessinsider.com/think-you-can-get-buy-on-250k-even-1-million-wont-cut-it-in-new-york-2010-9'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you'd think they're pulling your leg with the face they wear today, but they're actuall just about that evil'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'simple solution - don't live in new york'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a shithole anyway'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. New York is a shithole? Ahahahahahaahahahahahahaaha.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it is'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nearly every city is'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'Necro I think if you invested the time you spend on speculation into 2 or 3 marketable skills you could probably make all the money you wanted without exploiting or cheating anyone'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I can tell you that the part of Brooklyn where my daughter lives is absolutely NOT a shithole.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lol, you're probably right'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it has dense levels of population, it'll be a shithole'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'the truth is a lot of people are relatively lazy, or unfortunately some of the hard workers aren't also smart workers'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i need money for school though, or to choose the right thing to study'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'your in canada right?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lazy != 100,000 certification'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, that's strictly a matter of opinion. Many people love cities.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yep'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'many do, i'm not one of them'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'no subsidies or financial aid?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'anything math based will serve you well'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'though you'd probably do well to take some theater or commmunications with what ever elective spaces you have left over'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I love Washington DC, for example. The Capitol Hill neighborhood (among quite a number of others) is a good long way from a shithole.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'not very much, few months of rent is all there is for going to a school, then there's the unsure outcome of your studies and empty pockets that get emptier as you fill up the holes with your imaginary future income'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, if you like the cities, please stay there'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's terrible when city dwellers move to the country and screw it up'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ahh. You brook no dissent on the point, eh Tiger?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on which point?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there used to be a family every kilometre where i live now, now there's one every 2 square miles'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'a lot of city people just aren't equipped to be good country neighbours'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that and cities are expensive, crowded, noisy, smelly places'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they starved farmers off of their land and sold it all to people who are into the chemical stocks'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I've got some pretty bad news for you, Tiger. Despite loving cities, I now live on 38 acres in the Finger Lakes region of New York.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'go work in the oil fields a yer or two before school necro'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I'm doing my best to not screw up the country.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good for you'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'don't the tar sands projects employ a ton of people?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i could do that, got a cousin who's a foreman or something like that'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i need my liscence first though'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately i live in a country that's totally overcrowded'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and currently have no escape route'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Which one is that, Tiger?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you'll have to forgive me for being resentful'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(for which I make no apology)'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Which country, Tiger?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, lots of open ground up in those Scottish Highlands. Can't say that I care much for the weather, though.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but many of my peers agree with me that within a generation there'll be a split between city and country life'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'isn't some of the country side still sparsely populated?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, eyeque'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i seen in some cities that they're putting gardens on rooves of apartments and stuff'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's alright, be hard for a crack dealer to scale the side of a hundred story building and molest your children'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those that are tend to be conservation areas and very expensive with virgin-tight planning laws'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'parks in a city != the ideal interaction with nature that a kid should have'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'There are green-roofed office bldgs in DC, Necro'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Some cities certainly do have wonderful parks. Central Park in Manhattan, Prospect Park in Brooklyn, Rock Creek Park in DC. All very beautiful places'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so long as the cops know who to look for, and don't make too many false calls'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'park != solution for overcrowding'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Hyde Park in London is quite nice, Necro.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'when i was sitting in a bus depot in edmonton, i seen a woman be sexually assaulted, a man getting beat up, a toll booth being robbed, several shady people passing me by inside the station past the security guards and asking me for money and stuff, etc'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Tiger, rather'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and that's a small place compared to new york'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'something's fundamentally wrong with the current systems if they result in stuff like that'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, don't try to compare it to NY. NY is one of the safest cities on Earth. It's crime rate is among the lowest in the US.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'cause that is definitely not normal, nor responsible'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Oh my. Just read a news item on Yahoo about Italian seismologists being tried for manslaughter (I swear to God) for failing to predict the '09 quake that killed 300 people.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people always feel the need to blame someone, it's sad'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I'm gonna sue the weatherman next time I make a tee time that gets rained out.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'kind of thing deserving of a smackdown'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah, i was a little disgusted when they showed the people on CNN cheering for the execution squad of suddam hussein? i think it was'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and the only weapon of mass destruction i read of, was the pre-existing mustard gas he's said to have used on his citizens, (of course he was probably an asshole), invented in germany in the late 1800's to early 1900's, and a gun that was built to launch satellites built by a canadian, who was assassinated in belgium in 1991'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'something like 6 bullets to the head iirc'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'What does iirc mean? I think I once knew, but forgot.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'not saying he didn't know bin laden at all or saying who did what, but i think they proved that hussein wasn't guilty of what they desovereignized his nation for'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if i recall correctly'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ah, yeah. Thanks.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how people can find joy in somebody elses death is interesting, i guess i can do the same'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but when they're proven not guilty of what they're being murdered for, that's a bit different'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'seismologists on trial for not predicting an earthquake, versus people not on trial for murdering tens of thousands of people in cold blood'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'why people fanatasize over the former is a mystery to me, cause i see the absence of the latter being a bit more significant'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yet again, Dashiell: 'the only reason you're not on trial is because you haven't gotten caught. :D'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i did nothing wrong is another reason, you can invent a crime for me to break and i'll break it cause you invented it for that purpose'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then you're now tresspassing, i hold your life against you, if i was king maybe i would ratify my law'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Bull weapons of mass-destruction'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'Gerald Vincent Bull (March 9, 1928  March 22, 1990[1]) was a Canadian engineer who developed long-range artillery. He moved from project to project in his quest to economically launch a satellite using a huge artillery piece, to which end he designed the Project Babylon "supergun" for the Iraqi government. Bull was assassinated outside his apartment in Brussels, Belgium.['
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'like the airplane manufacturer from canada that sent nasa into space, the US government pushed its will into the spotlight and stole some innovation from the world'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think the CIA killed him'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but you can have your jewish conspiracies if you like'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'It has been speculated that variously members of the Mossad, the CIA, the MI6, Chilean, Iraqi, Iran's VEVAK, or South African government were behind the assassination.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'now that's fucking teamworm'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't see why hussein would want to whack the guy building him reconnaisance sattelites'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'scratch iraq'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): .Faust Necroshine puts on his x-files tinfoil hat unsolved mystery zoggles and googles the cause
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so what is the definition of weapon of mass-destruction we wonder, considering the anti-matter attemptor under swizerland and france we consider the definition of mass but delimit the pursuit to scientifically feasible tools of warfare, such as the atomic theory developed by einstein and turned into a bomb by his successor'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): .Faust Necroshine plays with his anti-mind
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'i'd say we don't care'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'within 20 years people will be far more concerned about getting enough to eat, and keeping warm'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's alot of carelessness'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '9 years left in the egyptian holocaust fortress (forecast) from the old testament reportrayal'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'famine and plague wiped the land, and in its wake there came the sand'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: '(otherwise translated as "some idiots cut down all the trees, and it all turned to desert"'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'quite possibly'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how many people could see such a strange system though'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'patriot act?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'no one has opinions on the patriot act?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Itox: 'i'm not american :D'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'nods'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'can see that arguement'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) In Cide: 'im scared to have an opinion'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'I just don't give a fuck'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'here is my opinion: fuck the patriot act.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'is the invasion worth the gains re terrorism?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) In Cide: 'no because terrorism will never be stopped'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'agreed to a point'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) In Cide: 'and blaming one man for the cause of a whole groups actions is silly'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'what man? *snicker*'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'terrorism is just an excuse to implement a full-blown feudal system (under the guise of democracy).'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fastfinge: 'If you express any opinion as an American, you will be put to death. The rest of us non-americans don't bother, because we've already realized that America and China have the same level of freedom.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'not the same...be we not too far off the same track'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): .Faust Necroshine blasphemes the holy thrones
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'terrorism has always existed. Ask the CIA. It is only a concern when the US is the do-ee rather than the do-er.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'Naw, these fatties haven't got the mobility to round anyone up'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fastfinge: 'You may be right. But the differences are difficult to see for those of us looking in from outside.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): .Faust Necroshine wants to bang some princesses
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) In Cide: 'im still confused by the amarican government'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'nothing confusing....big money, big business'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) In Cide: 'amarica was formed on the basis we would stay out of forigen affairs'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) In Cide: 'so natuarly we get involved'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ask any Latin American nation that has suffered terrorism, ask them where it came from. Their eyes will focus on the north.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Itox: 'with the american dollar being so terrible, it's a good time to travel there though :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'yes....but then the manifesto came out'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fastfinge: 'And at least China does not use trade agreements and international copyright to try and take away my freedoms, to. But the US does.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'Amarica was?!?!?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'easy enough for me...i believe in a living constitution *duck*'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is nothing wrong with a living constitution if you can find one.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Itox: 'there is a gecko on my table.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'is he saving you money?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) In Cide: 'wish i had a gecko'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) In Cide: 'tv says they save me money'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) In Cide: 'and the tv never lies'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'nor the internet'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Itox: 'come to north west australia, there's plenty :) just watch out for snakes/spiders/crocodiles/sharks/etc'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'australia sounds good imo'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'weed's legal in some parts of australia'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's where you want to move'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'how about new zealand?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'tame a crocodile and grow some chia weed on its back'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'hitting amsterdam'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Itox: 'new zealand hasn't got as strict laws as australia'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'might just have to set up residency'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'less strict?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: '...you know you have to have money to do that?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '..and?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'not sure they'd take an IOU'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'No, carry on. You're running away to New Zeland.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Itox: 'perhaps.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'at least to see'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): .Faust Necroshine rides the million dollar train to portugal and charges it to stockwell day's credit card
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'amsterdam is higher on the list though'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Itox: 'amsterdam is fun, it's worth a visit'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'figure...not sure i shld live there'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Itox: 'just try to give yourself one day to go out and see the windmills and cheese factories :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'but worth a visit imo'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i plan to get off the beaten road'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Itox: '(ie, a day that you're not high)'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'good luck itox'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'good idea if you plan to be beaten.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'can always leave after the tea shop'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Itox nods at Undertaken Anaristos.
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'wldn't be the first time *evil grin*'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'any us expats on living elsewhere?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'Of course'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'where be ya?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'or just stating'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'heard south america has some decent places...esp nice re conversion re dollar'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'heard south america has some decent places...esp nice re conversion re dollar'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'a canadian boxer went to brazil awhile ago and never returned'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'Just stay in America'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Itox: 'hehe'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'america is a great country'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Itox: 'where are you from jexebelle?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'but one can comprehend the differences unless you stay elsewhere'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'er can't'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they say it was a suicide with his smiling wife walking away from the prison, interestingly enough she inquired his entire inheritance, while his ex=wife in new york received none of it'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'inquired?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'slipping'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what was she smiling about?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: ''she inquired his entire inheritance''
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Juxtaposed Jexebelle buries her face in her hand and sighs, shaking her head.
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'do you like it?  she got it after asking for it'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'prob cld stand on its own except for the 'wife received none''
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'she didn't, lives in new york now'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'nods'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's his first wife'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'nods'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'can decipher that'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so he was obviously murdered for his money'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but canada pretends it can't prove that'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'anyways....get too deep and peeps can't follow...no need in speaking if they can't hear'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'new york, brazil, canada, i guess he went where he shouldn't have went '
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'heard tailand was a good place to retire'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'for us expats that is'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'Sorry, Asia is full'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'always room for ONE more'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'ask texas'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure Thailand is great place to retire :) the white man gets a lot of servants...'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'd like me control over a million man army'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i bet i could take over the entire world with it'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i assume we'd have a lot of servants where ever we went if done properly'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's too many Necro. Give me a good guerrilla unit any day.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'well...not where ever'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'value of the dollar'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'depends on value of the dollar'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '1 million compared to 8 billion, 100 million serviced'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i assume we'd have a lot of servants where ever we went if done properly'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'doh...its getting fubar on me'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, Karkos, nothing wrong with servants aside from the fact that none of them would be white. Evidently when moving to the "colonies" having white servants is a faux pas.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'well...since the majority of the population wouldn't be white, i expected'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'work, pay, repeat...don't care what color you are'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'which is the point, moving into a colored population and set a mini white kingdom.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'ah'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'tisn't me'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'all equal re color'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and before you criticize the remark, think of the reverse... How may thai who'd move to the white country would get the same treatment as the white man expects in Thailand.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i didn't'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'again....cld be purple'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'a lot of them wouldn't be employed either or eating'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'lot of poverty there'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if i went to thailand it'd either be i'm accepted or my throats cut'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'that's why the dollar is high'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'that's why the dollar is high'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'in america they pretend i'm accepted while they cut my childrens throat'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'thus the higher dollar conversion'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the dollar is not high, the dollar index is selling for .75'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what's the difference is pretty simple, there's open explicity and there's pretending everything is ok'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'wtf?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'that''
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'that's why the dollar is so much higher'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'your typing rather well for someone with a cut throat'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, the dollar is cheaper.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'me?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'necro'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'kk'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'wasn't sure why.,..was gonna ask re splain'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'one there is no monothlithic America'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'america is dying'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'every region and town is pretty distinctive'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'acceptable behaviour in NY for instance, might get your eye dotted here in Hawaii'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'no the world is perfekt, just ask your money it'll tell you'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'rape some more and get away with your dna evidence, while patenting everybody's dna'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'fuck your world'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'Necro your being too obtuse'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'well....when you're no 1....there's only one way to go'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i work my way from the ouside in'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and the inside out sometimes'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'your statements are so far fling and general, that we can watch you type, but we can't really conversate with that'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'not sure how much longer the middle east is gonna tolerate us, regardless of intention'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'enjoy, your flagrancy transfers through south park and playboy'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'so carry on if you enjoy seeing your own pixels, but your not engaging in anything resembling discourse'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'necro again eye?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'll limit my vulgarity to what's not similarly seen through those mediums'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lets play bitch'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you want to play kill, lets meet abaddon'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'otherwise shut your yap'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'heh, Karkos. You say "regardless of intentions" as if they are benign...'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'Necro, I was running and gunning when you were a swimmer in your fathers sack'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm a killer since before the world existed'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'didn't say either way....regardless means its irrelavent'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'this is my current focus of energy'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'beside the point, I'm fairly libertarian live frugally, and try to build whatever community I happen to be in'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you don't seem to perceive that most of the instability in the world revolves around places with lots of oil. Now, I don't want to be a cynic, but...'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'too late'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '*grin*'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm serious, i will destroy you'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'and don't start with libya's oil'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'beyond that your intelligent without a doubt, but you don't have any experience that i can tell'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'that's for france and europe'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's the way it is, believe me or not - it's my orders'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I mean, why isn't there any "terrorism" in East Bumfuck? Well, there is no oil there.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'if you had spent 1/100th of your time contributing to anything that you have spent complaining the whole world would know you'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'like here in nyc?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what about nyc.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i've killed alot of new york gangsters'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'surely you don't deny the existence of bin Laden'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'just kidding'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of course not. He aided the US in removing the Soviets from Afghanistan.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'you said no oil, no terrorism....not sure how much drilling they're doing in nyc...but no a lot of drilling it appears'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'seriously though take that complaining energy and contribute to something'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that brings an interesting point, doesn't it?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'of course, but now soviet union is dead'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'perhaps?!'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they deny that more energy can be produced by renewable resources in nyc and the patent buildings in washington'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'science != perfect sloth'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'as much as you attribute the negative things in the world to some mysterious they, they only positive things are going to come when you get up off your ass and make them happen'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'please don't go to 'it was an inside job''
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'fucktarded retards'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'its late spring in candada'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'karma'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, the Soviet Union is dead so there was no more use for Bin Laden. He came to the CIA after the expulsion of the Soviets add offered them to sell their arsenal back so they could rebuild Afghanistan. The CIA said "keep the weapons".'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'plant some potatoes or some other crops, come harvest box em up and drive them to a food bank'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'you know...if you look for a conspiracy in everything, eventually you will be right'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't live with canadians much'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'abracadabra you just offest some of the bad in the world'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'their growing season's sure growing short though, looks good for your ends'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'so helping them win the war against the soviets was wrong?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'russia closed its borders to grain exports last year'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, if there are no conspiracies why is there a need for the CIA, NSA, NRO, DIA, ONI?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'buy american!'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'that's your view anaristos'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'id be willing to bet all the money in my wallet, that you could write 10 page paragraphs complaining till the end of time, and the world would not be affected in the least'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'conspiracies everywhere no?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe canada will join with russia in world domination agreements and destroy all the pests'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am asking you. I want to know, why all the cloak and dagger?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'you could give that computer chair a rest though and actually go do something tangible'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'ie, the ones who retard progress'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i missed the question then....and it was?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I repeat:'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, if there are no conspiracies why is there a need for the CIA, NSA, NRO, DIA, ONI?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'OPP?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'I'm down with OPP'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i said that was your view'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'yeah you know me'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lol eye'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'nice pick up'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you mean those agencies don't exist? I've been mis-informed, thank you.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'if that's all it takes....you're welcome'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'crazy in army isn't real'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they're all sane'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'again too much energy mispent worrying about big stuff'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): .Faust Necroshine cuts off some ears for grandma
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'feed a kid, hug your mom, tutor someone, pick up some trash'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'what can I do around me today that makes a difference'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'I'ma feed your mom'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'no trash til saturday night'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'it's debate not curse :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so you believe that the US is straight forward in its dealings with other nations. You believe that the US will not stoop to disrupt governments for its own benefit.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'the only reason to complain about the conspiracy stuff is that you want to see the world be a better place'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i believe the us military sd fu to paki and went in and killed bin Laden'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'cool thats a good enough reason'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'so do something'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you believe then, I imagine, that Hussain possessed weapons of mass distruction.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'hell no...that was bush's daddy's war'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'before bin ladens hit squad the paki military said they're cutting ties with theusa'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's true'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'on the lajeera'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but you don't think that was a conspiracy to appropriate Irak's oil.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'there were no weapons of mass destruction'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i didn't say that anaristos'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i said america has lil to gain'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'hussein was killed on crimes committed on his sovereign states citizens'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'we don't use libyan oil'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but you said there were no conspiracies.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'that i did'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'and?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and the 9/11 americans cheered it on, i guess understandable as they want to see their enemy dead'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, the US doesn't use Lybian oil. Not yet.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'nor do we use space mail'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but still, george bush senior started the war on iraq in 1982 or so'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'not yet'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'have you ever though the whole conspiracy theory thing, is just a hamster wheel, your so called elite class use to keep you spining in circles, rather than gettting up off your ass and actually impacting the world around you'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but I bet that a "democratic" Lybia would be conducive to selling oil to the US.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'oh i don''
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'don't agree with the war...'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '1991 a canadian astrophysicist was murdered in belgium'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'except that we had to back our peeps up'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what peeps'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'cia claims no responsibility , like all the others'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'you don't go into a big ballgame without your star quarterback'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what ball game'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'libya'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'reallY?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'blame nato...not the us'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they'd pick me off with a sniper rifle, too cowardly for hand to hand combat'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, Libya, suddenly becomes unstable. At a time when gas at the pumps is 5 USD and there is no connection?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i always call people on like that'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you want to fight to the death, then here it is'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'let's take another oil producing nation... Venezuela. The US has problems with them also. Coincidence? Wow.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'can't really separate the two, commanding general of NATO is always an American'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'get outta your car'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'too much bitching....and you peeps never do anything about it'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'oil industry in venezuela is owned by russian through india'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'exactly, pick something small and do it'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kalsch: 'where is gas 5 bucks at the pumps?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'ugh...i don't want to walk'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, that's because NATO is owned by the US or because the US always have the best generals :>?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'make it a habit and add to it'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'Necro'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'its about 4 here in tn....can't imagine what cali or ny is like'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'what did you do for your community or neighbours this week?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'that's because nato involves the uk and france....sides us'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'common sense'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kalsch: 'its not 5 anywhere, stop conjecturing:P'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's no reason at all gas should cost what it does'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i didn't....what's gas in cali...anyone?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '4.50'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, but don't you think that a rotating chief of staff would make it look at least more like they were all equal partners?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'where/what?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'I think gas has gone up some what simply because theres been so many dollars added to the system'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'bin laden smashing the WTC if he did, may be seen like a liberation proposal'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'can't reply til i know'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i guess you people can't see that though'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'NATO, why not rotate commanding generals from each member nation?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'cause it really doiesn't matter'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it matters to the US'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'think it wld make a diff?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe it was actually a man from a poor nation's friends who sent them'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'yeah...that'd have made us go against uk and france'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'that has nothing to do'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'this is france's war'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it might, though the non-US general that made waves would be targeted for "early retirement" during some exercise :> '
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'we just standing behind'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'regardless of leader....the action woulda come to a vote....the vote wlda passed'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so NATO is basically a branch of the US military.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'leader has nothing to do with it'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'no....the us is one memb er'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and if the US goes to war with Europe they would have all the necessary intelligence.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'like pakistan?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not to mention the fire codes :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i hope not....course we are slipping militarily'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'fire codes?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'speaking of'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'why wld you cut defense?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'you're either the number one military in the world....or you're not'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'which you prefer?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so who killed the canadian?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'seriously though if we took all the political pundits, all the news geeks, and all the conspiracy wackos, and just had them pick up trash one weekend'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and of course, it would would be a conspiracy theory to think that the US control of NATO has something to do with the military down turn in Europe. That the push for the US to raly on NATO for defense has no ulterior motive :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): .Faust Necroshine refers back to his jewish warburg banking schemes and conspiracy's regarding the 1950's and canadian aerospace
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lol eye'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'how measurably better would the world be :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'nontheless, conspiracy theory or not, that is the effect NATO has had on the European armed forces.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'again...if you look for a conspiracy everywhere....eventually you will be right'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'disagree'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if the american military's up to stuff like that, i think it's in canada's best interest to kill them'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'its not black and white'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'stephen spielberg might not agree'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i saw schindler's list....i think he'd be right here'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'that's my conspiracy theory, that conspiracy theories were invited by the "PTB" to keep the Necro's of the world running on the Hamster Wheel of Speculation '
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'invented rather'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'nah, no man is beyond the wheel of time'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'hey....justin beiber has a new tattoo'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'one of them is in solid vision, otherwise i'd not consider him'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'dude needs to put some meat on his bones'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'that isn't a six pack...that's his ribs'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'if I was in an acronym agency, I'd deliberately put out wacky stuff, and then just do slightly less wacky stuff, so the mongloids kept chasing the foul balls'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'isn't that cool, i got a seemingly immortal devil in a trap'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'you only believe what you want to believe'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and he's wearing his cage away in my sight'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '...and she's buying...the stairway....to heaven'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the point is that even if the US is being "honest", I wouldn't turn my back on them, I wouldn't turn my back on anyone because the safety of my country is my responsibility. To let NATO protect me is giving up the welfare of my nation. That is what a head of the arm forces of a European country should think.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'I think it's just more useful to focus on what I can tangibly effect'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'would anyone turn their back on the us?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'the bilderbergers aren't calling me for my opinion :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'nato is a group'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'for good or bad'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i agree, i'm upset that canada has no pride'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'bends over to assfucks from the world'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they wouldn't, Karkos. not if they treasured their wallets :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'always nice when you get a benefit....its soooo poor when you don't'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'common sense'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Canada is in the process of being finlandized.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'we need a 'common sense' party'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'well you guys live in the shadow of the US, if your geography was different maybe you guys would be different'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and that would do what good, Karkos?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i'm in the us eye'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so long as your foreign hells angels aren't in charge i think it'd be ok, though i hear sweden cided finland to russia in 1825 or so'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'because of your proximity to the US though you guys haven't had to focus on certain things'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'wldn't speak so much about something i know little of'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's a poor excuse, Eyeque.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'russia = finland'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'just saying'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'not on my map'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'we didn't follow eye'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if they are, then there's civil wars on the horizon'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'the dynamics of Canada are the way they are in a large part because they are our neighbour'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'what's so cival about war anyways?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'finlandization refers to the relationship between the old Soviet Union and Finland. The US is slowly doing the same thing to Canada.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'no doubt eye'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'america's hat'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's interesting'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i voted for jack layton last poll'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'stephen harper received a majority government'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'his family name results back in a university in america'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'anyway, cheers :) I am going to eat.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'doesn't bother us anaristos'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'eat up'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'be good....'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'or good at it'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what? it doesn't bother you to be finlandized?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i'm in ameriuca'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'soab'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'least atm'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'america should be my bitch'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'it could be'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, and Canada has oil. Wait until the US gets Canada to quit protecting the arctic circle :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'canada is working that shale'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if it wasn't for canada, america would be a snovelling south african nation of pure poverty eating its own dust'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'solar'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'rest is bs'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i mean...if the sun can power everything else on earth...well...it shld be able to run my refrigerator'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'come dude you know that absurd'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is no money in solar, not the kind of money that those in power like.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oil on the other hand...'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'one person at a time'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'canada invented nasa's glory to the moon'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'so did america'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'america = second best'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they would never have killed over 100000 Irakis over solar energy. Though being an arid country they could really have gotten the megawatts to flow :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'that war is over weapons of mass destruction...right?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Yeah, I guess those were actually canadians that walked on the moon. :p  my mistake.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'absolutely.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'alright take a break, take your meds, let them kick in'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): .Faust Necroshine can shoot a gun
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'really man?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'you sticking to that'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you're so tough american'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, you keep your clear-eyed self bathing in the goodness of the government :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'where's necro?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'not particularly, but you can't debate crazy :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i just said earlier i was looking to move'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'and that when you're no 1 there's only one way to go'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'clear-eyed?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'doubtful'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'and i give a shit about'government''
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'stay outta my life, i'll stay outta yours'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'I do think a lot of Americans do not have the will or drive to keep the US as the pre-eminent power'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'they do'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'we are in a period of decadence some what'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'only one way to go'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i don't mind decadence'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'just keep your head nad shoulders up'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'still no one in the world who wldn't want to be us'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'today that is'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'yup'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'people dying to get here everyday'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't have to worry about moving'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'when's china revolting'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but where are you gonna go?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'world's a big place'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'plenty of other places'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'with benefits you's expect'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'well we personally are going to move to a more rural area and get further off the grid'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'same'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'waiting on parents'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'so we will be less susceptible to fluctuations and such'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'going to go all unibomber'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'nothing extreme we just have some property on the big island of hawaii'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'pace of life is slower there'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Average pay in China is increasing by double digits each year, eventually it won't be the cheapest place to build shit, and the companies will move elsewhere, some even coming back to the US because of increased commodity and shipping costs.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'typhoons are more common too'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'riz...that's why the american can compete'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'I think we are going to move away from global trade and return to tarriffs'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'someone paying min wage can't compete with 2.00 an hr'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'all for tariffs'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'shut the mothers down'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'people starting to realize that the only one's who benefit from free trade are the traders, and not the producers or consumers'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'worst case....at least make the products equal re cost'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'one thing that would help would be to get away from a disposable culture'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'so if items we purchased were expected have no less than a 5 year life etc'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'we'd blame china'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '5 year old computers suck, rather buy a new cheap one every other year. :p'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'never upgrade'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'always buy'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'i think electronic good drive a lot of that'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'electronics advance too quickly '
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'and probably gaming for computers'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's a trend in america to discontinue corporations before the cleanup bills come around'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'only if you're an executive'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'a british reporter went through the lakes and rivers there, pointing out leaking oil wells and natural gas deposits bubbling to the top'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'solar'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's pretty deadly'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'part of the reason I switched to Ubunto for the lap top, the software i need and use frequently will run on that system equally well in 5 years'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'hell...we cld shut the 'nuclear energy' arguement down in ira'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'iran'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'if we hadn't wasted the last 40 yrs or so....ignoring it'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'cld go with more nuclear though'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nuclear is good, thorium nuclear is even better.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'nuclear is never good'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'any draw backs to thorium production?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'compared to alts'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'sun baby sun'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'where is it mined and what the environmental impacts of mining and processing it?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We have 4 nuclear power plants in Texas which supply almost 20% of our power, and 2 more reactors are being built.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '20% eh'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'damn'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most of Texas power is coal, almost 50%'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'wonder how much land you got in tx....that gets a lot of sun'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'or is nuclear waste your ultimate goal?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'tis always of no consequence til its in your backyard'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'build em'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lets see, keep burning 1 ton of coal for every 1 lb of uranium, or build some more nuclear power plants that will eventually switch to thorium......'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'hrmm'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'well...we cld rely on nuclear'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'and the plants will get bigger and bigger...and more of a threat'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'small area today.....large tomorrow'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'thorium used as power generation is completely safe.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'and yet the sun still powers everything on nearth'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'even after we're gone'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'as nuclear technology advances it will become safer'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'solar power is not efficient, and storage mediums for solar do not exist yet.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'no it won't'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'there is no absolute with nuclear'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'look to japan'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'you can't plan for the unexpected'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'are they using modern plant designs?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'the better fight is in efficiency yea?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'your comparing apples to oranges'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'yes they are red'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'no they're not'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'japanese nuclear plants are weaker then the ones in the US'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'efficiency wld indeed help'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'modern plant designs are specifically designed so it's impossible to have a meltdown'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i don't really care where they located'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'meltdown is meltdown...that shit don't dissappear'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'our southern coast nuclear power plants survived hurricane katrina and ivan just fine :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: ''our''
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'you gonna feel confident when iran starts their reactors up?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they were even hit with a 20 foot tidal surge.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'you gonna feel confident when iran starts their reactors up?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they were flooded, but were designed to survive it.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'you gonna feel confident when iran starts their reactors up?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'answer that one'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont care about iran.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'kk'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'this is almost as fun as 'yahoo comments''
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'iran will decide its own fate, only time will tell.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if you can make a smaller valve produce more energy for the mass falling on it, and you can blow a balloon up, then you can make electricity and (energy) without the use of death'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but you play with death until you die'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and that's fairly soon'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'is that before or after they get their nuclear shit together'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'no black and white'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'forget it'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'reading up on thorium processing'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'tis what we do'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'can't kill hate with hate'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you can pacity it though'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'shake'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'having a dead end on a dead end is as pleasing as having a corpse on a stick'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'cause you can bitch me out right here....i won't be pacified even if i don't comment'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'So Necro what tangible things are you doing to do better yourself and your community this week?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nuclear power makes a lot of sense for iran though, as long as they only want to make power...they have uranium deposits up the wahoo, and it would allow them to export more oil instead of using it to make electricity.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'no...solar makes more sense'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't see nothing in the community to give back to'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'sun, area, constant'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so absolutely nothing'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'again, solar is not efficient right now :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'who's fault is that?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'yours'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'until cloud cover for a week screws everyone over'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and mine'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'we've only been talking about it since the 70s'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'hell...we cld prob get cheaper electricity from mexico'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'to power a city like london, you need solar panels covering the continent of europe iirc'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lots of area, lots of sun'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You keep voting for people, or not voting for people who would spend more money on research and development of renewables.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'didn't say anything to the opposite'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's definitely not the 87% efficiency solar panels i seen'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i'm saying we haven't been working on the issue we shld have'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '13 % of energy wasted'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'probably'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even obama only put $5 billion over 5 years on renewables.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'again...if the sun can power the plant...'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'if we could figure a way to plant solar panels closer to the sun and transfer the energy back, then that would be viable'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'planet'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We need to spend $10 billion a year on renewables, such as tidal, geothermal, solar, wind, and biomass.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'really...that's all you have to say'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'planet is energiized by the son'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'oil is a death spiral'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'apparently you have no idea what sort of energy you need to power a city'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'nor you have of the power of the sun'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'everything outside your door was determined by'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'solar panels that are available to actual outdoors use is nowhere near 87% efficient, more like 12%, lab tests have managed to get them to 47%, but that is in a controlled indoors lab.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'that's because you guys pass it up'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i could figure it out pretty easily, and disconnect a town from the grid just as easily'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but the people in mayor positions of every single city work for the same boss'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i don't know how i can say this any clearer....the sun powers everything on earth'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'except the cities'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'which is'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Using solar and wind power to produce hydrogen which can then be used in a fuel cell would work quite well.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'even the cities'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'sun'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'orly'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i didn't mention wind'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'please explain how the sun powers cities'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'much more unpredictable to solar'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'solar meltdowns are awful'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'wind is and will always be a supplement'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Redryn snickers with Senator Starbug about their shared secret.
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Hehe, you haven't been to west texas then....seems like the wind blows all the time.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'he wasn't agreeing with you '
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'wind can tear down anything humans build'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which is probably why west texas has the most wind turbines in the US.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'like where the sun shines all the time>?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'prob'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'wind isn't bad'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'but its impractical re sun'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'again, solar is not efficient enough, wind is currently at 5 cents a kwh, while solar is 5x that.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'quick fixes != real solutions'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'CSP has lowered the price to 10 cents a kwh though, but those require thousands of mirrors, etc.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you better indoctrinate that into your science courses, cause if nobody redefines the current systems of extrapolation soon nobody will'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'whats the cost in oil now per kilowatt to actually produce pv solar panels?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'again...who's fault riz'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'self-centered psychopaths, i liked that saying'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'doesn't matter....the sun is the answer'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lets judge others as we ourselves are'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'no judging'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'get some numbers karkos and your argument might be better'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'if we weren't diff...life wld be boring'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'regardless, I wont be putting solar panels on my roof, it is not worth it :p'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'dude...i don't want to go researching tonight'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'ok'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'at least it is not worth it in the US, or Texas.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i'm off the grid once the parents die'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'not only can i power my own home...i can sell the excess back to the grid'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'that's good economics'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'counter?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only if where you plan to live as net metering for one, and really good incentives.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'ok, good luck to you'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'people do it all the time...in all environments'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i don't do luck'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You plan on spending $25,000 to build it otherwise ?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'but thanks'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'best go recheck your numbers'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '$4-7 a watt, not that hard to add up for a normal american home.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'don't even attempt to tell these pple they can get off the grid AND make money'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'let's boil it down...would you save energy if you had solar panels?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think most of them wouldn't understand'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'energy equal cash'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but maybe they already do and stuff'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'would you?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I happen to enjoy my 8 pc monitors, high end appliances, etc.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'but instead you sit on your asses'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so I wouldnt have a solar panel setup personally.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'gonna be a bad day when the grid goes down'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'the grid will go down at some point'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'odds'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'redefine the grid'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's a theory'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'power'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'have a generator for the temporary drop if it happens.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'no power'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and like all theories it requires an activist'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i expect when it actually happens....will last more than a month'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Where I live the power has dropped perhaps once in 3 years.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'still...no idea when'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'mankind will determine'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure, just like y2k :p'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'dude....we not talking about being 'dropped''
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'like deep winter...power lines gone...'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'just have to wait'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'not i'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): .Faust Necroshine glazes at the shining twins and masturbates to the lord
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ok mr 2012 :p'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'already told ya....i don't do conspiracies'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'but...we still have to get through auguest'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, roasted fried chicken is almost done.'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'wait...sept?'
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'you know...preacher '
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'dude 'added wrong''
T3/r3/2011-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'y2k...omg!!!'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Apolly peers around himself intently.
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'anyone see the article(s) about emptying cali's prisons and sending peeps back to mexico?'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'interesting won't they just come righ back across'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'what if the prisoners weren't from mexico?'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'aren't they already empty what with releasing the drug criminals?'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'I completely do not understand the opposition to building a fence'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'not sure there fiend'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'illegals hurt the working poor the most'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'was a mexico story'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'does it really matter where we send them if they're here illegally already?'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'worried about issues along the border'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'mexico says they not sure can handle'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'nope it doesn't dokk'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'do you promise on your honor to not come back, pinky swear'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'they be back next year'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in the US the only Latin American country is Mexico. Don't forget how good they are at geography :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'legalize them already....collect at least some tax'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that's a crock.  Their flow of illegals out is a lot more than their flow of illegals in'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'you will not stop illegals'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'landmines and a fence would put a damper on it though'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'that just means i go by boat'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'sure sure but the flow wouldn't be the same'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, we only want illegals from Canada, none of those brown monkeys. Of course whites can't be considered illegals...'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'going by boat is only advantageous to Haitians.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'or tunnel...lots of good tunnels'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'brown monkeys?...*sniff* i smell a bigot'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'or was that Cubans?  Which one has the first-step-on-land protection?'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'how many illegals from canada do we get ripping benefits with fake socials, filling up prisons, and depressing wages?'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Coup de Calamar: 'Only about 1/20 as many as we have mexicans?'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'and that means what eyeque?...we're talking about mexican border'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'no one mentioned canada'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'canada easy to get in and out of'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'anaristos did'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'more Canada talk from you, Eyeque, and we'll have to have your name legally changed to Necroshine Lite. :P'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'none, but that's the wrong question. The question is how many illegals from Canada take professional jobs in the US and then return at the end of the year without paying taxes.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'scroll up'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'too me the canada question is always a red herring though'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'agreed to an extent'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'theres so little illegal immigration from canada its statisically irrelevant'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'further, illegal is illegal. If you don't want illegals in the US then you have to stop the flow from Canada, too. Unless, of course, the point is not whether they are illegal but where they are illegal from.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'well...perhaps if we actually taxed them anaristos'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'the point is the impact on society from illegal immirgation anaristos'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'if we could asborb everyone and intergrate them into english speaking american society id say open the floodgates'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'you will never stop illegal immigration, just like the war on drugs...the green'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'we have plenty of room'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'unfortunately we get crime, depressed wages, and cultural insularity'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'they aint melting into crap'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the impact to society? If you cut the flow from the South, the US economy will collapse, they don't take jobs away, they do the jobs that the proud americans won't do.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'hell....montana is practically empty'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'bullshit'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'so...you're not going to stop them....but you don't want to tax them'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'all my family that are in the trades'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'common sense people'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'tax them, they'll pay.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'have seen a decrease in wages'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'indeed anar'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'well...if they were legal....then they'd have to be paid minimum wage'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'go anywhere in the south, and look at what has happened to wages for people who do any sort of labor'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i live in tn'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'absorption is a two-way street, though, and even among the legal immigration bloc there are more who don't want to integrate than there are who do.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'cool what do you do for a living Kark?'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'course...part of problem is americans think they're too good for manual labor'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'well...that'd take some of the mystique out no?'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, not really.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'yes...yes really'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'I'm light blue color, some days im a computer geeks somedays I'm suited up removing asbestos'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, considering that humanity didn't evolve in this hemisphere (or at least, there is no proof that they did) everyone here is an illegal.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'the disdain for manual labor is a cancer in our society'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, not really.  That's an inaccurate stereotype, Karkos.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'not sure humanity exists anymore'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'agreed eye'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'dont get all wacky'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'do tell'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'go back to the central point'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but I do understand your point, Mexicans should stay in Mexico, so that there will be a big enough labor pool for the Us companies with factories there paying 50 cents a day wages.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'working people in regions with heavy illegal immigration have seen diminishment to their ability to make a living doing labor'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'hell we even see it here in hawaii'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'guys bring in 30 of their cousins from china or the phillipines'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'put them all in one housed'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'and low ball construction bids'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'sorry...bak...piss'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'my brother in law has a small landscaping company'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'bullshit, Eyeque. If the people started working at McD's mopping floors instead of turning their noses up and thinking that a janitor should bet 15 USD an hour, there would be no illegal problem.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'he can pretty much only get jobs based on quality and service'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i think hispanics are one of the best people around'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'we throw our grandparents away'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'everyone lowballs.  It's no-holds-barred warfare when it comes to bidding'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'he cant compete with the companies who are barely paying their workers minimum wage'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'hispanics keep family close'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'anaristos whats your experience in construction and labor'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'nuclear family is killing america'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'not getting into janatorial stuff'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i did architectural hardware if that helps'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'their work ethic is usually great'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'tell you more than you need to know about doors'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if they get minimum wage here it is better that what they would get if they worked for an US company in their country? Do you think that workers at the GM plant in Mexico get paid the same as the workers in the GM plants in Detroit?'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'back up Anar'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i agree eye'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'you have opinions, I want to see if you have knowledge'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lot more work than the americans'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'typically'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'but then....slackers come in every race and nationality'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'what do you think a heavy influx of illegal labor has done to working people in the US, specifically in construction'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'just regular oh joes, not even union guys'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'not sure....didn't see anyone grabbing those jobs when colbert made them open'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'think he had 1'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'farm labor has always been and always will be hard'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'you go pick'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's not an opinion, look it up. GM pays a worker in Mexico for a day what they would earn in an hour her. It is public knowledge. Further, if a Detroit GM worker wants to buy a new car from GM he gets a discount, if a worker at the Mexico plant wants to buy a new GM car, he has to play US retail.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'you have the issue'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'again go back to construction'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'don't hop all over the place'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'construction is manual labor'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'don't confuse me with'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'too skinny'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'trying to pin down Anar'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'ah'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'need help?'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'not really he/she wants to gloss over the obvious'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'was gonna say...wait'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'back later time for dinner'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'last comment was correct by him'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lats...enjoy'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'illegal labor has directly impacted the ability of american workers to earn a living wage'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'not really'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'and im out'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'its the trade with china'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the obvious? Oh, sure I apologize. I change my mind, I think they should shoot the bastards when they try to cross the border. Not the Canadian border, mind you. Let the white brothers in. But the brown monkey drop them where they stand!'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'and anyone who gets away with paying labor less than our min wage'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i don't think they should shoot them...tax the hell outta em'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'we getting nothing now'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'again...common sense'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'fine, tax them, I don't disagree. But that's not what they want to do to them and you know it.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'they here'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'they working'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'we get nothing'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'tax em'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lost me...i'm 'pro''
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'gonna have to work on a legalization program'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'republicans be damned'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '...poor, tired, huddled masses'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'tear that shit down'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you don't get anything from anyone that works under the table, that is not confined to the ones that come from the South.  The Canadians who come here illegally to work also evade taxation and they earn a hell of a lot more, no one seems to mind.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'america is a disgrace atm'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'agreed'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'what's the percentage of canadians vs hispanics?'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'here illegally'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if I had to guess, it's 1:30'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i mind if they not paying taxes'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'how would I know, the US doesn't publish that statistics. They only publish the numbers from southern illegals.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'legalize and get some money or get them out'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'and since you won't ever keep them out'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '....'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'dokkar i can see that'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'shoot them.  You'll create an economic bubble in the cremation and ammunition industries.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the point is that a Canadian can cross the border any time he/she wants with no questions asked. In fact, the immense border between the US and Canada is hardly watched.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'its much higher than canadian'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'several more people will get rich that way.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'americans don't just shoot anyone'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'not who we are'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the point is, numbers notwithstanding, that illegal is illegal, not illegal is illegal if the illegal has brown skin.\'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '...but...not sure that's an arguement....americans can cross the border to canada just as easily'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you are going to build a fence to kill illgals out, build it also between the US and Canada.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'the bigger threat is mexico/us'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'keep not kill :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, threat, I am sorry.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'wasn't being smart'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'tone is so hard to convey in text'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so you are saying that you are willing to put up with illegals from Canada.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'just as much if not more than mexico'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'after all you can't tell they are illegals without a scorecard, they look just like your white neighbor.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'as far as i'm concerned, anyone working here should pay taxes'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You don't find to many canadians leaving to the US to find work.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'make it easier to nationalize then'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unless they are actors of course.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'nods'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why, one illegal from Canada might end up marrying your daughter. A fine addition to the family, no dobut.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'canada is prob better off than us atm'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'doubt*'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'hoser'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's a matter of degree.  Practically nobody is using the US-Canadian border for illegal purposes, and usually when they do it's because they have a history of such via the southern border.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'cuz they ride our coattails'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I know for a fact that illegals from Canada come to work in the US, I've worked with many of them over the years.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'yes...but i do believe in the future that border will be more randomly used than others'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'for that very reason'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'As long as the southern border is a free for all for the poor countries in south and latin america, those countries are never going to fix their problems and improve the economy.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and they are not even secretive about it, they will come out and tell you.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'maybe it's just dumb luck, or perhaps it's a reflection of the economic realities (ie, everything's cheaper down south)'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'well...they prob could have fixed it'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, and why are those countries poor?'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'but cali didn't legalize weed'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'once weed is legal....mexico will be standing on own two feet'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'they watched the outcome of the cali vote very closely'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure what else are south americans for except grow illegal drugs. Being subpar humans they could not contribute to the commonwealth in any other way.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that rather makes sense.  I mean, a par human would find ways to contribute in their own countries instead of pitching in to make things better for some other country, yes?'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'well....cld wonder why the emerald triangle exists in cali'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'but i think we all know why'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'take the World Bank, for instance, quite willing to lend money to South American countires, as long as the loans are used to buy services from a select list of corporations, none which are native.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'would you rather them help mexico's economy....or ours?'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'common sense'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'pple are too proud today'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'don't want to work for min wage'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Mexican farmers growing corn used to be able to make a decent living until the US started exporting cheap wheat flour to mexico.  American wheat farmers grow wheat more efficiently then mexican farmers do.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'and why wld they'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'they get much more on unemployment for 30 weeks'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i expect nothing less riz'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'we shld have the higher efficiency'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that is the point, Karkos. In order to help the US economy they strangle the economy of the other country. It's not cooperative trade like the one between US and UK or US and Canada. It is  a rape of their economy for the benefit of the US economy.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'there's no trade like us / france /britain/ canada'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i don't make trade agreements'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US basically dumps excess wheat on mexico and other latin american countries, which keeps the local wheat flour prices so low, the corn farmers can't compete, so centuries of corn heritage self sufficiency is dying in latin america.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i just know america is losing a TON of taxes on illegals'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'GM builds a plant in Mexico to avoid paying union wages, fine. But instead of saying "ok, we will pay them 3 USD/hr less" they say "we will pay them dirt".'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'how you solve?'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you lost me.  How does the price of wheat affect the price of corn in any way?'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'again, keep businesses in america'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it costs more to grow corn compared to wheat :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mexican corn farmers cannot compete against american wheat farmers.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'let the wheat rot...get ergot....quadruple your income'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, for one, US companies in Latin America pay wages at a par with the wages they pay here. That would stop the flow of illegals from there.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'that's a joke'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'so, to the Mexican way of thinking...having too much wheat means they must grow more?'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'can't dictate though...mexico sets the wages....we just buy the products'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we set the wages here, too'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Mexico wants its citizens to eat wheat tortillas, and not corn tortillas.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i'd prefer 'made in mexico' than 'made in china''
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, I would prefer made in mexico compared to made in china also'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Let me ask you this, if the State of California has a construction project and they grant the bid to a Tennessee company, the you think they would be happy if that companies imported all its workers from Tennessee?'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'are you mexican?...or you just concerned with their nutrient uptake?'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'nods riz'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'yes, me too.  Chupacabra is much less dangerous than Godzilla'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'just building china up more and more'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'godzilla would be japan, not china.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'need someone with the balls to call it'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'so?  Japan is China's Cuba, so he'd still be within striking distance.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I fail to see the point of that remark, Dokkar.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'well..then consider pakistan'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'enemy or friend?'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Most mexicans would prefer to stay in mexico if they could find a living wage job.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'enemy on which battlefield?'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'but they can't'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if Pakistan were as big as the old Soviet Union, we would be in World War III right now. The alleged infiltration to kill Ben Laden was indubitably an act of war.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'is pakistan an enemy or friend of the us?'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'usa should just take over canada and mexico'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'prob solved'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'no prob with canada'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of course, Modi. And don't think they are not trying.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'no offense canadians...but they'll bend whatever way the us does'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'your terms are insufficiently defined, Karkos.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'clarify then'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'srsly why canada thats kind of pointless they always supported us'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i never mentioned canada til someone else did'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'nothing would have to change'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they don't have the economic power that the US does, nor the military.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's because Canada is finlandized, Hi.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'prefer to say...'the hat of america''
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'agreed?'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what is interesting is, most american car companies build their cars in canada or mexico, but asian car companies build their cars in the US, because of favorable tax breaks, and expensive shipping costs.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just makes sense to build your cars in the US for US consumption'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'agreed riz'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'made in america my ass'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: ''built' in america at the most'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, but here is what is a telling point. The US car makers pay union wages to the Canadians, but pay dirt to the Mexicans. Now why is that?'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you want an american made vehicle, but asian :p'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'er buy'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'to be labeled as American, a car needs to have at least 75% of its parts made in the US.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'cause they're not legalized?'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not legalized?'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'then they lieing'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'all of em'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'by and large, US cars are using mostly foreign parts and foreign cars are mostly using US parts.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'and which we sell more of?'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'anyone trying to buy an american car over a foreign one?'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i just took a shot of canadian whiskey , its all good'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'nightcap on'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we sell more American brands in the US.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'wld hope so'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'but that doesn't answer the question'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'more american brands sold or foreign?'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'until the tsunami, more toyotas were sold in the US then any american brand.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'but, according to the law, none of those brands are considered Made in America.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i drive a toyota'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because of the tsunami, toyota production is down 80%'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'toyota's are in short supply'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'just got an offer today for 15k'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what law? What difference does it make whether it's built in the US or not?'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'hehe, the demand swamped the supply'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i bought mine for 1.5k'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'difference is paying your fellow man or some mystery in china'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nissan production is down 72%, and honda is down 77% because of the tsunami '
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'we're so poor'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'we're so poor'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'think and change it'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'what is toyota down?'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'damn! I forgot, the workers in China shouldn't get paid for their labors.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'toyota is down arond 80%'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'that's the one the autosellers are salivatin about'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'and that's why'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's a 1994 law, called the Made in America Act or something.  It was designed to put a legally-measureable definition to the phrase "Made in America" at a time when most of the parts were actually being imported.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'where did sam walton go?'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'made in the usa my ass'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'heaven, I think.  Didn't he pass away a few years back?'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'walmart has betrayed us'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'long time ago'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'late 80s, early 90s'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fruit of the loom just opened a factory in the US'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'was working there then'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'first major clothing factory in like 20 years.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'tis where i learned the idea....once you're number one...only one was to go'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'anyone see justin beiber's tattoos?'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I try to avoid looking at a guy's tramp stamps.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he is like 10 years old, shouldnt have tattoos, what a moron.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'rofl'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'to both'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'but tats are sexy?'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'like she'd be with him if he didn't have one'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'to biker chicks perhaps.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, tats are interesting.  The sexy part is inherent.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'don't dis the bikers'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'oddly re justin...i agree with your comment dokkar'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'anyone else know he'll be outta the closet by 30?'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I prefer to hire people who do not have visible tattoos, just my preference.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'thus, tats would be sexy on, say, Naomi Campbell, Cindy Crawford, or WWE diva Sable, but horribly hideous on fat jew pornstar Ron Jeremy.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'there's the rub...'visible''
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'ron jeremy can do no wrong'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'to say otherwise just indicates jealousy'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'go on.. I have been mistaken for ron jeremy'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'he's a fat, hairy, unhandsome pornstar.  He's like a real-life Austin Powers, but without the superspy angle'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i'll need pic to determine that'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i didnt say i was proud of it'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so your a hairy fat short person then ?'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'but i kick ass though'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i don't do 'hairy'...smooth now...*grin*'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and since when did RJ do softcore?'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'early i'd imagine'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'either wAY.....too much hair'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'trim that shit bitch'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'and not just til you get hooked up'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ron jeremy has a lifetime supply of viagra.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'so hear it....oh...stopped manscaping when we got together'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'don't dis viagra'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'we all get old'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'and even if not...'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'rock'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'even after'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no one is dissing viagra, I love viagra.....hope pfizer sells 100 billion tablets of it per year.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'those greedy bastards!!'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'viagra is the 60s weed of floppy-dick medicine.  Sure, it was great during its time, but now there's so much more and better stuff out there.'
T3/r3/2011-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i only need four hours'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you don't want a 4-hour erection'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'too move from viagra to anything else wld be stupid'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'to'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: ''fore we get all anal'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the new otc viagra will give you a 5min erection......for most guys that would be too long anyways. :p'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'otc?'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'over the counter'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Over the counter.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'most guys last longerd then 5 mins'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '80 cents a litre of gasoline gone to the government tax fund for highway repair, and there's nothing but potholes all around, i wonder who's skimming that pot'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i know what otc means...asking about the 'hard on'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i know what otc means...asking about the 'hard on'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'pills'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'kills Kimr count.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'yes, we have to please the females first else they won't give us any'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'the only purpose of sex is the please the other'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'you'll get there'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Karkos grins evilly.
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Karkos ducks defensively.
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'the world didn't end on saturday'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'anyone else find it disturbing that the 'seventh day adventist' follow the failed prophecy of the 'end of the world'?'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the world wasn't supposed to end on saturday'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so i seen a school bus pulling into a casino today, i wonder what classes they teach there'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'If the total price of gasoline were to drop to 80 cents per litre, the effective tax rate would rise to approximately 73.5%'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'what was supposed to happen was the start of the rapture, which happens before all the bad stuff happens to the rest of us.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'So, I went to a storage locker auction on monday, and bought 3 lockers for a total of $1600'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'http://www.freedomparty.on.ca/gasoline/gasoline.htm'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'have you looked inside yet?'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'shld gentlemen flush everytime they piss?.....is it ok to avoid during the night when another is sleeping nearby?'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, 2 of them was full of furniture, but the 3rd had a coin collection.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'get a quiet toilet'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'nice :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's the old addage many people go by 'yellow may mellow, but brown must go down''
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'ah..,...i may have to remember that'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'racist!'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sold the furniture for $2000, and the coin collection was appraised at $5500.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'always flush.  Piss has a shelf life of like 15 seconds, and stale piss (even when watered down) only gets stinkier the longer you wait.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'tidy profit'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'well...i figure gonona have to clean the soab anyways'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'might as well save some money'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'forget smell'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'benjamins'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Keeping the coin collection for myself, I love coins.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'll flush urine if it stinks or becomes a skin on the top of the toilet water'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so made $400 on the deal'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'otherwise it's a waste of water really'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not not doing anything, not all that are afk are afk :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'btw...anyone working without wires via hd re tv?'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and as unpleasant as it may be to yourself wake up to such a godawful stench, the last thing you want as a guy is to have her wake up and get mad at you for stinking up the house'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but leaving a log floating around can make for a different toilet to clean'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'cable company is getting too arrogant'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i cult'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if the bitch wakes up mad, you don't get glad.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'you know i don't work well in that environment'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I prefer Verizon fios tv.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'well...i've heard the new hd tvs receive better reception than if you used an antenna'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'not paying 250 a month'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'they need to fucking step off'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'canada's going to these digital antennae signals this year, that's about 2 years after america i guess'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I pay $115 a month for 350 channels, 100 HD, 25/25 internet, and digital phone.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'nods...news here is you can recieve a lot more than you'd think'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'and an actually hd signal from station is actually clearer than cable'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I know now you don't live in L.A., Rizgoth :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'somewhere near 89% of canadians under the age of 30 have portable communications devices integrated into their lives'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they say on cbc'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'plano texas, a suburb of Dallas.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i can see that'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that won't matter if you don't have an HD tv.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'since we lag on most everything'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, all that in LA costs around 215'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'who won't have an hd tv in the next 5-10 yrs'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '?'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have a HD tv, bought it 3 months ago.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'prob hard to find the non- today'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there are people who still have b&w sets, Karkos.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'and they're a minority'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'don't expect them to make a stand'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'unless you got a good tongue'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'absolutely, but color tv has been around for decades. So you can do the same type of projection for hd tv.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'probably all the folk who had to get those digital set-top boxes'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Thinking of buying that 70 inch quattro 3d tv though, to replace my living room tv.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i didn't get one.....prob shld have'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'more than one tv'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'so you have a TV in your house that you can't watch TV on?'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'prob wait til after xmas when the price drops by $1000'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am waiting for 4D tv...'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'tis funny though... my friend bought this huge tv a bit back....now worthless'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'I have a TV with no channels. I use it for gaming.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'why is it worthless?'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'because he has to replace it....if you're vain enough to grab a big hd a few years ago....gotta pay the pipper'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'did it break/wear out?'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and it will happena again...'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'never buy technology when its still new'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if you're alright with living in the past, you can buy a 10 year old computer and play 2 decades worth of games through it'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wait until tv stations start using fractals.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'for maybe 50 bucks if you manage to find one in one piece'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'well...now he needs he 3d version'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'common sense pple'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love my 51 inch plasma.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'waste of sooo much money'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'pshht, 3d is so not worth it'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you say that is it actually existed :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'hd on it?'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i've seen it anaristos'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'good pic for no cost'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I, for one, don't want to sit around wearing classes to watch tv.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'glasses*'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they have glasses-less 3d tvs'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bluray on my 51 inch plasma is nice....looking forwards to that 70 inch one though.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i'd hope more did'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'those new sharp televisions that discovered a new color you can't see unless you buy it'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and I am not alone, which means the technology will move to add real depth to tv screens.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then 80 years ago you were lucky to find a black and white tv in a house'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'interesting nerco...will have to check'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'check into'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: '80 years ago was before the invention of TV, period.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '70 inch sharp quattro 3d tv rules.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'I could never see 3D images... my eyesight isn't equal, one eye sees fine, but the other can't see worth a damn. Dunno if that has anything to do with it, but it's annoying that other people can use 3D and I can't =/'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '1930?  i think they may have existed then'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'technology only moves as fast as the pple'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'nope, TV was invented in the 50s'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'hell....they prob have the next big thing already'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'gotta make money off this first'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'back in the 30s, a few people had a nice radio :p'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'agreed'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'and we'd sit around it'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'listen to the weekly presidential address'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'back in the 30's, my MOTHER wasn't even concieved =/'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the different radio shows like dick tracy'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they probably have the next big thing for the next 80 years already, and just pass on the reigns to the next king to ride the merri-g-round, while everybody believes something new is being discovered'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I like radio, radio theater rocks.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's just a guess though'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'same...took til 40'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'old time radio rules.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'it does'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they have just perfected the concept of holographics.  It's on to corporate buyouts of the patents, sitting on the tech, and making it profitable enough to manufacture.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'they'd tell'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'sort of like how the chinese intel chip designer adds a new level to the chip expanding it by a exponential fraction, worth 1000 dollars of your time'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'tell ya'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I find more exciting to listen to a ball game on the radio than to watch it on tv.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'I have some nice holographic cards ;p'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'as long as not baseball....'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '6 hr is way too long'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'nothing helps baseball :) But the world series on raido is exciting.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'baseball is so slow...not sure how it keeps going'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that doesn't even compare, Penworthy.  Even the Minority Report holographic TVs don't compare.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, a true holographic tv would be a cube.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'well, they could at least call it something different, since the name of the product is already used.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and you would get a different take depending on your pov.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there were hundreds of different radio shows back then, that was the big thing, get the whole family together at night after dinner and listen to the radio.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'excess'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'nope, they licked that problem too.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'prob with america today'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i need a phone that does everything'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, nice to know what is wrong with the country :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i got more'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they found a way to get rid of viewing angle, so no matter where you're sitting you'll always see it straight on.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'but that one is huge'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'no one cares anymore *sigh*'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'one thing i find interesting is how video game's personify 'game's' in reality, like nhl (hockey) nba (basketball) car theft, extortion and prostitution (grand theft auto) soccer, etc etc'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that sucks Dokkar. The point of holographic vision would be to be able to rotate the image to get different perspectives.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how many of the players of those games actually play the sports themselves?'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'shake necro'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'umm, no, that's virtual reality'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'bad bad bad'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'back in the 90s, IBM was working on holographic memory, I wonder how far they got.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the computer's like the pretender's heaven, you can do anything and get away with it without penalty here if you just turn on god mode, now in virtual godhead we personify our ecclectic arts through mastery of the arcane circuitry that defines effort'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, first of all virtual reality is an oxymoron, and second, a holograph encompasses the entire field of view. If you take a holograph of a house from the front you also capture the back.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'they got as far as pokemon ;p'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'kurt cobain was still alive then'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '?'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'probably not far enough.  Memory right now is pushing the limits of capacity given current materials technology and manufacturers are looking for suitable replacements for silicon.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'keep off the drugs!! *grin*'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'but I likes the drugs :('
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'but the drugs don't like me'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if they couldn't get it done now, with the issues of overheating and such, they wouldn't have gotten it done ever.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '*grin*'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'they give me a happy'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'give me purpose'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'for what it's worth'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'only you can give yourself a purpose, dude. All I can do is look at the rainbows.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'pretty colors'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, I like these multi core processor chips'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'they good?'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good way to fix the heat problem for awhile.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i'm just to the point...it's time to replace'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I saw a double rainbow.  It was awesome!'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i hardly upgrade'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'just wait a bit...buy new'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have a 6 core amd processor, love it.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'by the time a few years have passed...just as easy to grab that shit'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'none of it is even neccessary though, and more energy they demand through their microchips, which results in more destruction of the natural world'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they can't optimize for lower energy consumption and wean themselves off of their bottomless banka ccounts'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'duuuude, they should try rainbow energy man!'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'societies their tit and the world is their sow'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'I like tits too.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they do, Penworthy, they are called lasers.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i read somewhere that there's lasers around that consume more energy at invocation than the entire us power grid'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and what do they NEED those for?  where do they get the money for the fuel?'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love fios, everyone should have fios.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I would like to know the frequency of their emission :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they get it from the government.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'they use unicorns for the energy.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'military and university/scientific use only'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'verizon just sent me an email that they will be offering 50/50 to people in my area.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'is there a difference, Dokkar?'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'common sense'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'to all'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'interesting, and how do their invocations benefit their citizens?'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'yes.  For the most part, university/scientific users tend not to first think about how their shit can blow other shit up.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i wld...die for...you'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, I though you were talking about where both groups get their funding...'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'you know who you are'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'thought*'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I was.  Both groups go to the government and ask for money for grants and whatnot.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'caution when weighed against curiousity that could potentially make them superior is usually thrown to the wind'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I worked on campus on projects funded by ARPA, we knew what the end result they were seeking. Any moron could extrapolate to that conclusion.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'just cause they don't know something that could eat them to hell doesn't stop them from risking that ignorance in a game of poker with other peoples lives'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'right, but one of the bigger proposals are about energy transfer using a space-borne grid of solar panels that beam the collected energy to groundstations on Earth.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and how would such a focus of energy affect the ozone layer?'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'solar is the only logical answer'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'if the sun can power EVERYTHING on earth'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, academia is built on the premise that if you don't ask you don't have to take responsibility. They invented plausible denial.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'no reason it shldn't power my house'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it wouldn't, not high enough to intersect it'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'since they're focusing it in space and beaming it down to earth, independence day - like, maybe it was dispersed for a purpose in the natural evolution of the galaxy and how life exists on this planet'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'it wld'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'and i'd sell my extra to the power grid'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'er. and I WILL sell...'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'who's meeting in amsterda,'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'focused solar power from space would be bad.....just look at sun bursts'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'nobody but astronomy nuts and tech people getting paid to stare at satellites all day long ever noticed when the biggest-ever CME bathed Earth'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'common sense'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'intelligence means nothing without'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i usually don't make assertions that compromise something absolutely, like discussing philosophy even, i can't see through the authors mind but i can see points that support/lead astray or possibly discredit some aspects of a ideology - but i can argue for or against something without stating my opinion as absolute fact, only to degrees of absolute given what i'm considering, i'm not so certain that mankind in all of its high-places in society does know all things there is to know, every consequence for every action, etc, for instance'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'dude...when you go that long...pple don't read'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'esp since you necro'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if you find that offensive, that's your thing, but remember that a corrupt king with no criticism will never have a successor who realizes the corruption that does exist in his kingdom'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'seldom find offense'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's their problem, they're my pretend equation'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'just don't give a shit'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'umm, Karkos, some of us ARE ignoreaphobic'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i know that's right'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'tell them other leeches to stay away'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: '10 levels of bombardment are enough'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Whacked, Texas produces 25% of the nations gasoline, yet prices here are 10 cents more expensive then states that produce no gasoline. :p'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's because the oil network's designed like the internet.  Stuff nearby gets routed to places not-nearby and then sent back.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how much oil do you believe is actually used by america that comes from the middle-east?  venezuela and canada are big oil producers among america itself and other nations on this part of the world'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and if it's hard to believe, then why are people reluctant in questioning the logic behind it?'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'NJ produces around 10% of the nations gas, and gasoline is 10 cents cheaper then Texas.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the US is less than 1% of world supply.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'canada, they say, consumes less than 30% of the energy it produces, the rest being exported'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that doesn't make the prices on it fair though, it doesn't even pave the roads with the 80 cents per litre government gas taxes'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'which goes to the department of highways here'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'venezuela is not a big producer anymore.....production is down 50% ever since chavez took over.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that will change, unless Nanook becomes obsessed with renewables.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even nigeria production is down 20% or so because of unrest.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'for some reason the people who live near the oil fields actually want to benefit from the oil....imagine that....:('
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's like the world is spending somebody elses money, and who's money is being spent is the only one that ever pays for it, though the rest of the world may be surprised when their evil bank account runs dry'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if you can understand that, black blood of the earth and pulse of money'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'interesting sayings people come up with, some of them are memorable and even can be seen to align with scriptures'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'only two things are infinite, claims one, death and taxes, claims two'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'two sure things in life'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'scratch the taxes one.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'and then there were rainbows powered by unicorns!'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'unicorns are mentioned in the book of job, i wonder what that discredits for an individual'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'religion is a farce'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'move on'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'you know how to tell?'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'from rainbow powered unicorns to religion in less than ten seconds... gotta love aardwolf.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'don't mean a damn thing re credit reports'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i mean...imms rushing to cover atm'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'oh, hey, social security taxes are going up in 2012'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'what was the addy for the scuba diver'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'mis'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'twist it if you got it'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'afk a sec'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the number of measles cases in the US for 2011 has doubled since 2008.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'through April, France has seen 10,000 cases of it.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'anyone on this mud who can take on the press?'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'just curious'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'clarify and expound?'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'not my job'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'not paid enough'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'not sure what you are asking exactly'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'i didn't'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkos: 'go kill!!!'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Karkos, if you keep spamming channels, we will gag you.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how do you figure the second was discovered?  that was a second?  which came first, the minute or the second?'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it seems they got a word for it in every language'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'man-made mystery hmm?  it's remarkable how much is bought and sold in a second, and how many people worship the clock, waking them up in the morning, telling them when they should be somewhere, etc'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i can find it strange see, though i'm taught to take it for granted'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's what it is, next level'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how many seconds of a person's day are wasted on vanity regulated by the clock?'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'whatever it is, it's the mystery that make's things like this possible, very mechanistic'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'man didn't invent time though, man invented a calculator that kept track of it as reasonable to him'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, I guess when Amsterdam's tourist revenue drops by 50% or more because of the new no selling of cannabis to tourists laws, they will change their tune.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if there's people out there who are so spoiled to be able to go on a trip to amsterdam for public cannabis consumption, i think regurgitating their tourist venues could be a progressive step to making them bored with the spoils of their greed (possibly reducing crime rates a little bit)'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what rich person doesn't like to travel across the world at least once?'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they look eagerly to the future for exotic adventures based upon the money they sacrifice others for in attaining, i think'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It isnt about that, it is the walk in tourist that they will lose, the ones who go to multiple countries, and decide to make a stop in amsterdam on a whim to check out the 'atmosphere' which has ended.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'you need to make some of your own money first, and be responsible for something before you worry about where people get their money from'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'in defense of our good reich'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'nah, i think being a beggar should be in the apocalyptic handbook of every rich man, so they can observe how deaf ears fall on them while they observe somebody having a blast'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'I don't the slightest thing about you Necro, but you allways read like a naive 19 year old who is bright and has read a bit, but hasn't been responsible for more than deciding PBJ or grilled cheese'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'down here the view's great and unhindered by responsibility for my actions that destroyed those lesser than me, and i don't have a net of lies in front of my perceptory gland that prevents me from seeing my own hypocrisy's, making me more insightful'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'keep it simple and coherent'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'have you traveled away from your current home for any extended period?'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'have you ever been poor?'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'yes'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'but back up and dont jump around'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'coherency will serve you well'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'nice retort, i assume that's the self-assurance that i'm deceived glaring its angry ego out of the wall'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'what jobs have you had thus far in life'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'i'm not whining, i'm refuting your claims'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'its not a retort, you're bright but your communication skills are bad'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The avg made your own money rich person has been poor and rich, they just think differently then most people, they look to the next opportunity and instead of wishing about money so much that they miss the next opportunity.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Farkyss: 'i'm being careful not to rubbish people's actual ideas, though i am on a picket and not offering alternatives'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'so back to the central point, what have you had for jobs thus far in life'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'how far along in life are you buy the way i don't know if you are 19 or 59'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'ah, so it's all about hard work and honest effort yeah?  that explains alot, not really, but you can average out a reasonable opportunity from it'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'hard work, honest effort, and smart effort'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'define:smart , a phone that thinks for you?'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'and gratitude, several people have helped me with my business so I try to help them'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'okay refocus necro'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'give us some information about you, jobs age etc'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i have my mind on the drawing board, no need to focus on what i'm not very interested in'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'I know you've mentioned you are in a low population area, ruralish secion of canada'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'tell me what else your information database knows about me'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Only interested in talking shit about people, instead of actually going into the world and making your own mark :p'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'roots to leaf'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'thats all I know brother'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and don't pretend you remember'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'interest has nothing to do with it'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'your world you see, you're a hog to me, in my world i give you the respect you gave me'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'who are you talking to?'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'a blank star'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos beams a smile at .Faust Necroshine.
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I could put this on sports chan, but it's really for debate. So... I want opinion. Are golfers athletes?'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'go on a walk with my 78-year-old granny, then come back and ask this question again. :P'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Apolly: 'Yes. It's a contest of physical skill.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ok, so far it's one yes, one no.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'err, who's the no vote?'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Apolly shrugs helplessly.
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, I was figuring yours Dokkar. That's how I interpreted your response, anyway.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Apolly: 'I take it Dokkar's granny is an avid golfer...'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, but she'll walk circles around Rhavage'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Heh. I should have though of that :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'she does play, but damn the girl can WALK!'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'boobies?'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Apolly laughs out loud at Dokkar.
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'none you want to look at, unless you like the type shown in There's Something About Mary.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, that's not very likely, unless she's one hell of a walker. Not really here to brag, but I did happen to hike 2,162 miles of Appalachian Trail a few years ago. So I'm pretty good at putting one fut in front of the other.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Apolly drops to the floor and hails Rhavage!
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Apolly: 'I'd love to do that someday. Isn't that...pretty close to the whole thing?'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'she's a fast walker'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they put poker games on TSN, and if poker is a sport that athletes compete in (poker face) then i guess golf is too, though they may be a little different from something like two people racing to see who's faster'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Yep, Apolly. It was the whole thing. Since then, they've shifted the trail a fraction as some new land was acquired (or something like that, as I understand), and the trail is now 2,175.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and not just sprints-fast, imagine doing your entire trail hike as fast as you can possibly go.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Apolly: 'Poker isn't a physical contest and thus not a sport. It's a game. TSN = a misnomer.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Apolly: 'Dang, Rhavage, that's awesome! They should give out...I dunno, pins for that or something :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gastro: 'not sure the ultimate couch taters.. aka, citizens of aardwolf, are qualified to even speculate on the parameters of athleticism... maybe try asking some fish if chickens are birds.. k, rhav, that's my input.. sorry i cant stick around to follow this discussion any further'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I think the AT record is something like 49 days. I met a guy who did it in 88. I hiked for about 150 days.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Apolly: 'Whew. Let's see...2100 / 49, that's...more than 50 miles a day o_O'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'For the record, since I started the discussion, I'm of the opinion that golfers are very much athletes indeed.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'poker's as fake as pro wrestling.  I bet they even shine spotlights on the players and douse them with water (ie, fake sweat) to make it seem more dramatic.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Apolly looks at Dokkar and goes "Hmmmm."
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Apolly: 'I do wonder why there so many *good* hands in televised poker. Especially in one-on-one play. It doesn't seem to be completely random.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Apolly: 'But, then again, part of randomness means not always seemingly completely "random", so... *shrug*'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't see how golf can be somebody's key to unlimited wealth and luxury though, there's probably 1000x as many hockey fans in a rich golfer nation than there are golfing fans'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Apolly, the guy who did it was "slack packing", as the trail jargon goes. He wasn't carrying anything but a little day pack with water and lunch and had a support van with his food, a place to sleep, etc.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe people like to play it, or see how to better their own game, but watching somebody else play a game isn't always the point of a game, million dollar cheques and sports details and all'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Tiger Woods, Necroshine.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Apolly frowns.
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I say golf is a sport for no other reason than that a golf swing is a very athletic motion. '
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so is putting the proper spin on a pool ball'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'And a very difficult one to do well. '
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Apolly: 'And pool is a sport too, Necro...'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): .Faust Necroshine nods.
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Apolly: 'We agree then.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'difficult to do so AND have the power behind it.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'either side is really easy, though'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I'm a much better than average amateur golfer  largely because most people are just terrible, not because I'm especially good'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Good friend of mine who's a local teaching pro says that if you want to improve your game by watching the swings of the pros, you're better off watching the LPGA players rather than the men. Less complicated mechanics, he says.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Not that I really see why it would make a difference.'
T3/r3/2011-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'After oil, coffee is the largest commodity sold worldwide.'
T3/r3/2011-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I talked to him on debate earlier in the evening and he seemed fine.'
T3/r3/2011-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Apolly peers around himself intently.
T3/r3/2011-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I can relate to Becker....the ted danson char.'
T3/r3/2011-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'You're a miserly, middle-aged doctor?'
T3/r3/2011-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hehe, high fructose corn syrup producers are getting desperate now....they started calling their poison corn sugar, and HFCS consumption is down 7% in the last 2 years, after 20 years of gains.'
T3/r3/2011-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'eventually we'll get back to what scientists knew two generations ago, and we'll be eating more fat and proteins instead? :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We can only hope.'
T3/r3/2011-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'pandora needs some new sponsorship, if i hear this klondike commercial like 5 or 6 more times, thats it man'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'gaza strip re crossing to egypt....'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'good/bad'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'waiting on a fourth party...'common sense''
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'usa is going no where with 3 parties'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is only one party...'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'my pants?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'wait...democrats right?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'power mongers'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'dems?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'over reps?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 're mongers'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'dems, reps, libs, libertarian, greens, they all look alike once they get elected.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'agreed'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'gotta get another decent party in there'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'look to europe'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'never a guarantee between two parties'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'independant vote is a throw away'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the word is collusion'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'just taking away votes from the major canditat3es'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i don't believe is collusion'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'tis politics as usu'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'party lines'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'course...reps and tea party will pay in 2012'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'don't attack medicare'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'moronic move'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'so...the opening of the gaza strip on egyptian side is ok?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'heard sarah palin started her 'short bus' tour'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Your mom needs to go on a 'short bus' tour.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'tsk'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: ''sides...my 'bus' isn't short'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'you heard me'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'words mean little'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'back that shit up'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'where's the porn?...i logged into an 'X' rated channel'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Coup de Calamar: 'just because it's x rated, doesn't mean it's always about porn...'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Head up to your mom's room if you want to see some porn'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'never rented any X-rated movie that wasn't porn'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'you?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'who rents movies.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'indeed sneak'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Coup de Calamar: 'Wasn't referring to a movie, was refering to the channel, as you yourself were.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'internet'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'if primetime lists...and the ama list xrated as porn'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'not sure why you'd consider anything less'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Coup de Calamar buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'prude'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'always right...til its wrong'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Isn't it past your bedtime?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'promise me this....you'll look up every x-rated movie'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and see a few'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Or is school out for the summer?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'ooo...grammar and spelling police has comments'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'don't start nothing...won't be nothing'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'again...back to debate'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Looking forward to 7th grade? :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i asked who had opinions of gaza opened to egypt'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'you're sad'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '...and'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i assure you...i'm not the only one who thinks the same'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'no one?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'gaza / egypt?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'well...i agree with egypt's actions'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'since no one has an opinion'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '2012 vote will go nice'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '...please....short bus...'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'please'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'please'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm sure you can call the local retard school and they would be happy to pick you up on a short bus.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nice counter'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'expect nothing less'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'you comment on yahoo too?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'lot of idiots there too'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'don't attack me'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Evidently you are one of them.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'indeed'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I didn't attack you :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i am one'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i suggest you scroll up'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And look at what?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and please don't make me get ugly'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'see above'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Don't know what you're talking about.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Are you going to get gangsta on me now?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'again...i expect nothing less'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'hate will never kill hate'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'problem we have today'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Anyway, I didn't call you a retard, I just said the retard school would be happy to send you a bus.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Learn to read :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i can read'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Evidently not.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'why would the retard school want me?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'you're suggesting i'm a retard'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'ironic coming from you'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You can read into it however you like.  That's not on me.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'do you have anything to contribute to the debate...or you just need personal validation?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'This is not a debate. Take it to tells or shut it.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Personal validation will be fine.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i asked about the gaza strip /egypt thing'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'someone else needs to scroll up'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Ranrr, nobody gives a shit.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Nobody gives a shit about Gaza or Egypt either.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'starling does have some balls'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Your mom has some balls.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'ah...if you only knew the way the world worked'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'she might'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i've never checked'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'apparently you know your mom doesn't'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'afk...dad'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'k...well i'm thinking israel has gotten too big for britches'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we ready to withdraw from paki?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'perhaps cut off aid'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'Debate or Ramble?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I just want Barack Osama out of office.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'perhaps your op'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Although honestly, I doubt if the Republicans can fix anything either.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'but....we live in a real world, not a mud'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'agreed atarling'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Fuck the real world'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'regardless'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'debate involves discussion of discrete coherent points'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'gonna be a bitch for whoever takes ovewr'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Obvious we're not reading the same debate here, Eyeque.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'what would you like to debate eye?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Obviously, even.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'is a politicians ultimate purpose is to prevent bloodshed?  or orignal purpose?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'always those on the side'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'okay go back to the Israel point, expand upon too big for their britches'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'no'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the warriors of the tongue and the warriors of the flesh'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'america will always go to bat for democracy'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'precident was set long ago'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'well...'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Bullshit, we set up more dictatorships than democracies :P'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'the border was opened to egypt'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'military kings dominating the world from generation to generation, giving a little taking a little, betraying a little, being betrayed a little back'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'into egypt'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'now'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'why hasn't America done anything about Israel'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'the israels claim that will ease the transfer of war mats'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: '(rhetorical question)'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'cause they have to stand on their own sometime'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm interesting in that kind of distinction, do they provide jobs or pillage? '
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i assure you...america isn't on israel's side'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'so why does everyone else in the world think so'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'you saying the world is wrong?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Why doesn't America do something about diving idiots like Sergio Busquets? '
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sneak rolls on the floor laughing at Fluffled Salvanas's antics!
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'can't be stable...if one country is dominate over others'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'ignore him'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'surprised even see him'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'nothing to do with domination. we've all seen how America goes into other countries to settle "domestic issues" '
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'we have - I'm somewhat pro-Zionist for religious reasons, in particular when they shot up the US Liberty we rolled over, they conduct espionage on us routinely and we roll over, we send them 10's of billions of fungible aid yearly officially and who knows what unofficialy'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'don't see why America shouldn't jump into Israel and solve shit'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'he might correct your spelling'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'presumably we gave them their nuclear weapons'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sneak nods at Eyeque and says, "I concur." Why didn't you?!
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we did give them nukes'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'what else should we "do about" Israel :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'israel too'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'yet you say America doesn't side with Israel?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'its not america's fight'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'me?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Busquets is more than a domestic issue, he's international.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'so why give them nukes.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i said i agreed with the decision to open the border'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'not you Eyeque, Kamdble.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'they've had nukes for a long time now'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The US needs to stop supporting Israel and Israel would have to actually try to make peace with neighboruing countries.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'curtosy of america'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'exactly'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'I'd just like to see them get on our side once in a while'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'yes starling'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i misspelled that'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'the US needs to stop supporting Israel'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i agree'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'What?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'and/or get their head out of Israel's ass.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling peers around herself intently.
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'As long as the US supports Israel, there will be war in the middle east.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'during Desert Storm, The Honorable Mayor of Chicago, went and joined the IDF'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'can't even read'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'what Ranrr said.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'thanks for your patriotism Mr, Emanuel'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'don't start nothing, won't be nothing'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'despite that I am pro-zionist, I think their should be a safe secure Jewish State, I just wish the Israeli-Americans could get on board Team America here or there'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'he was also the former white house chief of staff.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'sec...dad and/or mom'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If the US wants a jewish state, there is plenty of land within it's borders. Outside the US borders, stay away and let the locals handle it.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'roger that Sneak'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'the US should really just butt out of Israel.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'bak'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'and let them handle themselves'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i think we will back off'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'it wont happen in our lifetimes'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I don't think Israeli leaders will be so full of themselves if Barack withdrew his support'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'it will'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I think it's good for us to support our allies against our enemies'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'well...depends on age'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'one evangical Christians absorb zionism like mother's milk'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we have to group up starling'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'I know from personal experience'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'kk...back off of religions'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If the douchebag Muslims wanted us to support them, maybe they should stop bombing shit.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'or it will get nasty'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The problem is that the US defines enemy as anyone with a different religion or someone that has oil.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'there we go ...starling of course'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'stereotype'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'indeed'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'the Israeli and Jewish lobbies are immensely effective at "punching" above their weight'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'muslims, muslims, muslims'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'they all want to kill us'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'poor form,'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'because you try to kill them'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'you can't really separate the issue from religion in this instance Kam'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'hell...christian try to kill...ok city'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'if you try to understand it outside of the context of religion you will have an incomplete, and flawed picture'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'with regard to Israel at least'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'religion has always been the biggest cause of war'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'interesting'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'sad too...since we all worship the same god'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'well...except me'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No we don't.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'most genocidal regimes were institutional atheist'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'atheist rule!!'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'that's a lie eye'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'By most you mean 2.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'not sure where you're getting this incorrect info ...but...i'd find another source'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'body count wise, no one can hold a candle to the Soviets and the Maoists'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Hitler and Stalin were not religious. All other mass murderers were.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'prob is....too many bigots out there'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'Pol Pot is up their too'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'pot eh?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'let's twist while we're waiting on the porn'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'raw numbers in the holodomor exceeded the holocaust, though not as a percentage of target population'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'there rather than their'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'curious...'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'us Religionist are far inferior to getting our murder on to you aetheists'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'anyone not believe in the holocaust?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'less pragmatic perhaps'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'afk...twist'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'd bet the US has killed more people in their "freedom wars" than ever died in the holocaust.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'the us has killed more people in the cival war than any other war'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nobody cares about that war.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i'm guessing superceeds all the others'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'not black eh ranrr?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No, and not usasian either.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'all muslims are bad too'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'usasian?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'never said'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: ''sides....either with it...or not'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Since there is no name for the citizens of the US, I invented a word.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'clearly indicated where you lie'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'like american?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'don't sweat it....we're not north americans'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'just americans'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'that's Lincoln kam'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '*sob*'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'anyone see where pakistanies were saying the us was behind the recent uprisings?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'the running a fine line...imo'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'American is not a word for the citizens of the US. '
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'american means a usa citizen'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everything comes down to money....the civil war was about economics and money.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'know about websters?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No it doesn't. It means someone that lives in america. Mexicans are also americans.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'civil war was about state's rights'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'slavery was 2nd after'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'thing i see a little mentin of, 'x is the cause of all the world problems or y', assuming that every watcher understands that the media can all be bought and what they report can be given to them through somebody who is bought, then a 'radical' in that nation would be somebody who thinks otherwise if the majority of the public is usually led to believe something or another - the media's a fairly powerful tool'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Bullshit, civil war was 100% about slavery'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'you have a flawed assumption Necro'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'expect nothing less'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'As george carlin said: What! They have bigger dicks? Bomb them!!'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'go back to college'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: '"News" Programming exists to attract viewers'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'or rather to sale advertising'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'better yet'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'search the web'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'the news is about selling'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and not just one source!!'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how do people not attain an opinion on something strange to them when it's repeated and recorded throughout those around them and from every media device?  if you own the media and keep enough people oblivious, you can basically make people believe whatever you want - like seeing aliens on CNN'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'all the profs agree'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'slavery wasn't the major cause of civil war'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'my wife was a producer here for a local station, the motto their was "If it bleeds it leads"'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'sorry disappointment'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'ratings'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'ultimately though most wars are probably about control of resources'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nah, it's all about dick size.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'perhaps'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we get so little oil from libya'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Slaves were a valuable resource to the planters'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nothing re paki, afghan'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'may be challenging to see in some instances but if you study closely enough it will inherently prove to be true even if its more in a general than specific sense'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'd have rebelled too, if I owned a bunch of them'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'no denying starling'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'hear that star'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'rich '
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'gotta wprl ot'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'who gets oil from Lybia though Kam, who's the biggest drives behind ousting Special K, other than the US'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'france and uk'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and europe in general'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'after those big two'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'do they get significant quantities of Petrol from Libya?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'why think france is so adament?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'yes'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'there you go'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we get like 1-2%'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'Russia probably indirectly benefits from disruption of Libyan oil'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'majority goes to europe'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'esp western europe'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'prob eye'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'decent source of oil'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'btw....don't shop at wal-mart...shut 'made in china' down'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'though I think they will insert their self into situations periofically just to maintain their signifcance as a world power'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'lost me'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'might be last beer'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'Russia'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i saw that'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'russia is huge though...even after disolution of ussr'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and they got nukes just laying around'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'this prob sounds extremist'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'but i have a survival kit'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and i fully expect to use it'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'usa has been no 1 for a long time'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'planning for a zombie apocalypse?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'but there's only one way to go when you're no 1'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'don't believe in zombies'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'lol, no 1 what?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and i'm sooo far from a conspiracist'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'besides, the US hasn't really been no. 1 at anything for a while, unfortunately.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the biggest prison population per capita?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'not true'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you might be no 1 there'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'that would be australia, Dag.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'that's australlia dag'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'check me though'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'bahaha Australia. the law isnt strict enough in Australia'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'and they take in way too much refugees'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'just asked about per capita'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'not sure where these other topics came from'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'I live here in the US, Kam, in case you haven't realized it yet we are in one of the worst recessions known to man.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'anyone see me mention recessions?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'hard to be no. 1 at anything with this recession, plus we weren't no. 1 to begin with.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'well...until we cut benefits for big business....we're not going anywhere'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'good luck cutting that.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'it'll happen'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'might be another 20yrs'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you weren't near no 1 before the recession and i doubt you'll be that after that either'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'as soon as the zombie apocalypse comes, anyways.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'walmart is still no 1'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'just need a senate/congress/president that cares about the people more than about big business'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'which is impossible'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'walmart sucks.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i belive in obama'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yup. so you're pretty much fucked'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'agreedd pen'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'bahaha obama.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and i thought we were having a debate dag'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'what i love about obama'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'get's shit done'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'in case you haven't noticed, things have been WORSE with obama being president.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we can always repeal'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'd go for ron paul'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'change we can believe in........ right'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The US is in a recession because they spend way too much on wars and have done so since WWII.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'why pen?...cause he had to bring bush's war cost into the budget'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'ron paul is a wasted vote'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'because he made promises that he didn't keep.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'third party means nothing til a fourth party'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'what president doesn't pen?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'will be waiting'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: '"thing I like about obama... gets things done."'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'yep'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and you're so scared'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'what HAS he done.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The US needs a redesign of the party system. It's ancient and only designed to keep England away, not to actually work.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Make that the entire political system'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'well...first thing i can think of...is Osama was killed'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If you only have 2 choices, it's not a democracy.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'shall we continue?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'well he did close down Gitmo, respect sovereignity of foreign states, reduce our military presence overseas, reduce uneployment, cut goverment spending, cut inflation, and increase home ownership'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'that wasn't done by obama, it was done by soldiers trained before obama even became president.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'he hasn't close gitmo'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'no one wants to take em'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'afk'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'coward states'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and they bitch afterwards'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'so lost penny'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'school is out apprently'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US might have to close Guantanamo anyway, rumor has it that Cuba will not renew the lease.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we shld close itr'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'if we can find some peeps to take prisoners'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'We should just throw down the Castro regime and annex Cuba as the 51st state.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'no one in us wants them'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'cuba is on last leg'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'over after his brother'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'And they probably wouldn't want to be a state.  We have a number of territories that don't want to incorporate.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'if not before'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The prisoners should just be put through some meat grinders and sold as food to Africa'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US has been trying to annex Cuba since 1868, if they attempt that, they will have another Viet Nam. Even if they get rid of Castro.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'What should they do with the illehal prisoners there that they cannot release because it's too embarrasing? Kill them?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'no state'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'They're already used to cannibalism, they'll appreciate it.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'if puerto rico isn't a statge by now...they have lil chance'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'starling...i misspelled some of those words'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'starling, be nice and shut the fuck up, please'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, Puerto Rico sold out to the US from day one.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'whoa brother'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'so did texas'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No thanks, Dagnir.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'its debate not curse'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Cursing is allowed on debate channel.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'fuck yeah!'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that is one of the biggest points of contention between Puerto Rico and Cuba which were once sister states.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'I stand corrected'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'when the first moneychangers changed money in large quantities, did they do so by weight?  a flaw in the amount of nickel in my nickel may result in a short-changing on one side or the other'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you were right tho. this is debate'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'easier than a computer, just dump your coins into a scale and have it calculated automatically'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos . o O ( though the need to curse escapes me :) )
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'with a little handwritten mathematics'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'cursing is allowed on any xrated channel'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'if i can watch porn on an xrated channel'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'not much i can't say/do'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'wanna fuck?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I wasn't contending whether it was allowed nor not, but whether it was necessary or not'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'debate...jump in'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There are too few redhead porn stars.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i like a good wine color'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eyeque: 'jumping out I'm on the first flight to Hilo in the morning, good night Debate'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'reminds me of chick in school'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'why are neighbors always crazy?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'obscenity is the crutch of inarticulate motherfuckers'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I happen to like my right side neighbors....'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'loud music?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '3 strippers live on my right side.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'city ordinances can be a pain'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'coherced into a group eh riz?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'no, I got pulled out to the common room to here this bitches repetitive iterations on how so and so is mentally ill and so and so has trouble with the police, etc etc. Mostly unfounded statements.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'starling...i misspelled that'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'hear*'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, but they do come over to swim in the pool a few times a month.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'loll riz'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'swim naked?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'spent a lot of money on that backyard, glad others are enjoying it also.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'your house?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'anaristos: cursing often enhances sentences. helps to carry the point, tone etc'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nice...always good to improve'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '4 bedroom 3 bath in plano texas.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Professor Penworthy: 'just much of the same bull she comes up with in order to twist things her way and make others look bad, not keeping her stories straight, and gossiping to begin with. Blah. Tired of this.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'always something to do when own'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'besides, there's nothing inherently "wrong" with cursing'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'well...we cld have named fuck you...flk'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'had a nice pool, hottub and bbq installed, nice covered patio and a sunroom.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'perception and repetition'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the pool has 2 waterfalls.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i gotta get a pool'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'wow...sounds nice'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'put that grotto in'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'backyard isnt that big, perhaps my next house :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'there ya go'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'love pools'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, me too.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'all houses shld come with'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'especially when it is 100 F outside here in far north Dallas.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'gonna have one when parents pass'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'florida?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'wait...that's tex'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nod'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'texas hard hit re hot weather'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'installed a solar hotwater system to keep the pool and whirlpool water heated in the non summer months.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'also provides hot water to the house.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'solar!!!'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i just don't understand it'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'natgas backup.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'understand'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'gotta be connected to the grid'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'can 't sell back otherwise'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont have solar power, just solar hot water atm.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nods'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'saw'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'bit start'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'prob install a rainwater collection system to provide the water for the pool and house someday.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nicew'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'saw an article a bit ago./////'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the patio also has an outside shower, that mimics rainfall.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'built a house of straw ba'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'mmm...outside shower'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'sexy'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'arena for fucking if i ever heard of onew'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, straw bale homes are popular in dry climates mostly, but there are a few in moderate climates.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'porn?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nods riz'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'they were out west'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'thinking i'll build mine back into the ground'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'lil hill'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I want a huge dome house underground :p'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'underground rocks'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a concrete dome underground house.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'course...thinking of expat'ing'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'two levels.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'oh...i have drawings'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'anyone think i'd do otherwise?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'still waiting for decent prices on solar power before I jump on it'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'wrong ideology riz'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas doesnt offer net metering except in Austin, or if you can talk the electric company into doing it'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'wld you wait if you knew you cldn't get meat in the near future?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Not gonna spend $30k on a solar system that will only supply about 50% of my power needs. :p'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'not saying you'd ever hurt for meat...squirrel is good eatin'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'where live?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas is !solar'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'except for austin of course.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'def spending too much if you only get 50%'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I enjoy electricity, not gonna give it up :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nor i'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'although...i do like candles'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'sometime...you may not have a choice riz'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'sustainable electricity?  how long do you figure it'll be before the surface of the world sinks below sea level after sucking all of its subterranean deposits out?  you sure they had no place there?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'global warming!'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'an eternity?  infinite supplies down there?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have the most efficient appliances I can get, but I still use around 1300 kwh a month.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I also have 1000 kwh of that coming from wind.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or is it based upon the projection of man's eventual extinction that they make decisions that could possibly result in that destruction occurring sooner?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'we can't control the flow of the world in the galaxy, therefore we must sacrifice all and try to escape it'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'contemplate this...if we'd worked hardf...and had the technology...we cld tell iran with our solar technonlogy...that we cld provide all their energy need without nuclear power'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'global warming can kma, just crank up the A/C !'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i'm def not looking forward to them running a nuke plant'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'nuclear energy isn't infinite either, and results in mass-destruction when something goes wrong'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'come on...global warmin is a fact'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if al gore actually listened to the crap he spewed, he wouldnt be using close to 15000 kwh a month for his mansion'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'plus the procuration of the minerals used releases toxins into the atmosphere that nobody has a plan to clean up'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'yes...but rather them use solar or nuclear?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nukes rule. next gen thorium reactors should be awesome'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'bigger, stronger, more dangerous'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'smaller, stronger and less dangerous, actually'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'hell...japan still sitting on their thumbs'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'jfgi, man ;)'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'no'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'not true'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'more power = more danger'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go go nuclear, wind, solar and geothermal....add in tidal for good measure.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'do you know what i'm talking about, btw?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'tis all good....we'll wait til you're plants are three times bigger'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'yes'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'mind, that i said THORIUM reactors'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i read that'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'do you know how thorium reactors work?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'has anybody ever tried a dynamic passive hydroelectric turbine system on the ocean?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'the desire for bigger proffits will lead to the end'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i don't need too'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The reactors don't run on thorium itself'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they plop oil rigs on the ocean currents, i imagine they could rig a system like that if they wanted'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'shut the fuck up then'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'that's it?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'can't share your intellect?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you're arguing against something you don't understand. sounds like a good time to shut up, that's all'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: ''splain then'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Thorium as a precursor to U-233 is a great idea though.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i don't claim to know all'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I live about two blocks away from the only nuclear reactor in Utah.  It's in the building next to the one where I take classes.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yet you were arguing against me'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'but to just say...wrong and back away'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'not convincing'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am a firm believer in wind power....I even have 20 1 MW turbines on some of my land holdings in northwest Texas.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and i've yet to seen anything from ya'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'explain your thorium'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molten_salt_reactor'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'wind will never make it'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'there you go. the page you would have found on google'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'suppliment to solar'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'that only source dag?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i've always been told you need at least 3'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i mean'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I'm sure you could do as directed and Google it for many references.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we all know what's on the web is true'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'don't start nothing jhav'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's a starter. tl'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'thought so'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'tl;dr for you?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'might be surprised'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'course...i don't have to stoop down there'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We should build micro thorium reactors buried underground in neighborhoods to supply power.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'too much wind power and same amount of electrical consumption on the consumer side, non-optimal circuitry pan-electric requiring a sufficient amount of destruction in order to profit from a current amount of electrical usage, more usage = more money = more pressure to rig devises to a standard income that is minimally marginalized by the cost per unit of electricity and more by the amount required, shouldering the blame on the device designers'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'agreed...'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'how much did ge get back?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'tis bs'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'wind'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there are alot less trees than there were before i nsome area's though, they probably slowed down the wind significantly, though they provided habitat for animals too'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'only suppliment to solar'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'When GE makes residential fuel cells available, I am going to buy one.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we'll never solve energy needs with wind'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You dont have to, it is part of the basket of power sources.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, wind power is down to 5 cents a kwh now.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '5x cheaper then solar'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i still can't believe re solar...if the sun can power everything on earth....surely he can power my tv'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'hide under a rock all you want'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'or you cld make some money'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nuclear power is the future. it's inevitable'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'me me me!..i know someone who can't understand'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nuclear is gonna be destroyed'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'keep your money away'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, nuclear power is the future of baseline power, but wind, and geothermal will provide around 20%'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'hell...it's only looking like another year for japan to get things under control'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's just the way i think of some problems that do seem to exist and impact maybe everybody's life directly or indirectly, including my own - not at short term goals but long term solution's, seeing if there are ways those can be reached, and humanity or the world or nature on it (beasts of the field) can go extinct naturally instead of by the possible negligence of the staff of societies'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I don't think nuclear will gain much ground the in US any time soon.  Too much red tape surrounding it, too much inertia holding them in place.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'solar...forget about it'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'one-liner'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'But in other countries around the world... maybe.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'work your money'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i agree that we should shut down old shitty reactors. but we should also invent into researching better, safer reactors'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Bullshit, nukular powar is evil and bad, it kills your kids, or else turns them into Cthulhu-like mutants!!!1!!1one'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'hell...we cld shut down iran's nuke agendaj 'for power' re solar'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'hell...'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i do turn off light's that i don't need on at night, usually, computer remains on most of the time, there's one little thing i do'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'mexico cld be able to pay back some of their debt with energy export'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, westinghouse has been working on a thorium designed reactor to build in Texas sometime in the future once the regulatory action is taken care of.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'plenty of desert ther'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'in fact, nuclear power is the cleanest power source we have atm'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'westinghouse my ass...tesla!!!'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'edison had no clue'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'finally i can agree with you on something :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'only on the fact that tesla was fucking awesome and edison was a wanker tho'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'edison was a thief.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he was like bill gates, stole ideas from other people and sold them. :p'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'edison was a thief'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but bill gates is actually a decent guy'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'one thing that got me wondering, is the design of rooves in shopping centres and (some) manufacturing facilities, they're typically made out of concrete / steel / covered by something non-transparent, hindering any light from reaching the inside of the building, when maybe their shopping hours are most frequent - if they used something like a polymer glass or plexiglass or windshield glass that is sturdy at a reasonable thickness and secure fastenings, and monitored their rooves for intruders (if that's one reason why), then they would cut down on the thousands of lightbulbs shining down the aisles'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'didnt say he wasnt a decent guy, :)'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'edison was a full-blown wanker'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i saw that'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'tesla!!'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nicoli'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it might seem like no big deal, but accumulatively it probably does add up to a significant amount of electric consumption'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'To be fair, the big thing that Microsoft 'stole' was never going to be used by the company that produced it (i.e., GUIs and Xerox)'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'everything adds up'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'imagine a mil peeps'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'each having a coke in a plastic bottle'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'considered something the other day...'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would buy a solar/fuel cell system tomorrow if it didnt cost $150k or so to build a system that would power my needs.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'WHAT HAPPENS TO THE PEOPLE?!'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'if everyone paid in a dollar...or two'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'every year re income taxes...'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we cld butcher this deficit'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '1-2 dollars over 10 years'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'or if you taxed big business'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'agreed'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'got to work on the breaks big business gets'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'got to up those fucking tariffs on china too'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You want to know how to raise $300 billion each year by not raising income taxes ?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'go on'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'policing waste?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'make ge pay taxes'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'add a $1 sales tax to all financial trades, they usually cost about 709 dollars at the moment.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '(related to edison) :P'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'they only get refund dag'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's a smaller thing, but still questionable - i seen a volkswagon shop in germany, i think, that has plenty of light coming into it from outside sources - and there's one skyscraper in england somewhere that is built alot on glass/natural lighting - though they say the windows on this building are difficult to keep from falling out - maybe the architect didn't have a proper eye for expansion and retraction of the material's being used to optimize for it'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'er 7 to 9 dollars'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'english please necro'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'how can the american worker...earning min wage...compete with overseas labor....at $2 an hour?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but with that proper eye, it could be possible to build something like that in places where earthquakes most likely won't happen, and where they may, look for a way to build around the fault's'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '15 years ago, it cost around $100 to do a stock trade, today it is 7 to 9, a $1 tax on it wouldnt kill anyone.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: './....and that's walmart'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'made in america my ass'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but it would raise hundreds of billions each year.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 're dollar?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'kamdble, the problem is that the overseas labor is better educated as well'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'education is a waste'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'on job experience'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'college is such a fraud'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, i was talking about basic education for starters'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'imagine this....no degree vs degree applying...'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'guessing the degree wants more $'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'guess who we hiring?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'guess who we're gonna keep higher'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'you senior peeps are fired'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'its all fubar atm'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'reforming the tax code would be the biggest revenue increase in the history of the US.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'discerning employers will hire college graduates over non-college graduates in general'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'no they won't sneak'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'its all about money'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then there's luminance detectors that could operate on low power mode until they become a router to providing electricity to a scaleable lightbulb, giving off the desired intensity of light which requires less wattage, and keeps a building light'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I'm talking about white collar jobs.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'get rid of things like the mortgage interest deduction, which costs $60 billion a year.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'labor costs'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'still too deep necro'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'libya?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm building an imaginary optimal electricity not-hogging building from scratch with what i think i know'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'if you flunked out of high school, I won't hire you to work on one of my desks'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'cld try'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i've flunked high school 3x'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'but you're not american'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'on my 4th go atm'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '4th in class'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'but again ...vale committed suicide'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'real world can be tough'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, yeah, i guess my 9 classes is better than american 12 :P'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have never hired a college graduate, and never will.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'more exp riz'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'feel they entilted'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I look for smart people who want to learn, but have not been institutionalized at a school of so called higher education.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'butchered that'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'agreed'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'personally....more hungry'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'trained too many peeps to not know the diff'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lots of ignorant teachers out there, and i mean ignorant as in arrogant or fascist'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and they rocked'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'they just read the book'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'wldn't know if any recent studies contradicted'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'like they have a sub to 'nature' or etfc'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'actually...those subs are expensive as hell'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'wonder if they get a break'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's not a teachers job to learn, it's a teachers job to know, and a questionable student is seen as a threat to their authoritarian rule'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'at least, alot of them seem(ed) to be like that'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I agree with that point.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i had a few that i got along with fairly good'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my personal assistant takes night classes at the univ of texas dallas....gotta change her mind about that, but she is taking art history classes, so who knows. :p'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '20 yrs later....i cld teach more than those ign mfrs'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'where's the porn!!!'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'xnxx.com...pornhub.com'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kamdble growls.
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, germany has decided to shut down all its nuclear power stations by 2022, again.....I guess they will replace it with coal power. :p'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i thought they were slated to use renewable energies instead'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'germany ...and france working it'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good luck on that, there are no renewables in germany that could provide 100% nuclear free power.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'let's just fuck up the environment til its a prob'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i mean...i'll probably be kissing my ass gone thereabouts'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'the earth has always gone through cycles of heat and cold...question remainis is how much humans are affecting the cycle'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hehe, they are gonna go from clean nuclear power to natural gas power plants instead, but with more renewables.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nope'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go go germany, create more co2'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'all will pursue nuclear for no other reason than armament'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'natural gas is good, but you shouldnt replace nuclear power plants with it, just build natgas plants in addition to the nuclear power plants.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'afk...eats'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nuked ?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'wishes, wishes....if only'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'afk'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'wonder what a mustard potato salad wld be like re honey mustard used'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'wait...'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'don't care...porn'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'doh...missed 420'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'be good, or good at it'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'peace out!'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love the battle scenes of the film Pearl Harbor.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'movie sucked'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so did your mom.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'apocolypse now was on last night'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'ha ha ha ha riz'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'off...gotta wack off to get a good night's sleep'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'be good'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'or good at it *wink*'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The defense bill that recently passed the House of Representatives includes a back-door fund that lets individual members of Congress funnel millions of dollars into projects of their choosing.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how did shakespear ever find its way into grade 9-10 high school english classes?  is it neccessary to think 'thou art' was once 'you are' and a faggot was once a stick?  you have to idolize your lines if you want to pass the class, even if they seem mind-less or shallow'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and you have to chant the shakespear mantra, learning how the evolution of language impacted your high school language course'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'studies have shown that kids exposed to the arts perform better in school'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'living in somebody elses fairy tale doesn't seem to better somebody's understanding of the real-world, especially when derived from a foreign tongue that is not spoken except in 'thou arts', which will in most cases, never be used again'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oh yeah? you know who else fancied art?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'hitler!'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav gasps in astonishment.
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'here's how to write an elaborate metaphor to several views of the world through 1000 pages, ok, does it have to be in old english?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'I think thou art an ass.  The Comedy of Errors, 3. 1'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): .Faust Necroshine the student hath seen the light
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: ''according to definition, moving your pencil across the page is work' claims the grade 10 science teacher with a tarantula in the classroom and a jungle in his backyard'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'workers unions then, thinks the student, my pa's in a union, how come i'm not?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'we, the student union have decided that we don't want to learn shakespear this year, thanks to the observation of how pointless it is by our representatives'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'teachers have a union and are government employees, which teach students who are obligated (ogliarchy) to attend their seminar's for 13 years of their lives roughly, otherwise they lose work opportunities, but these students don't have a union like the teachers'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what goes into your head is foreign to them, but they have no protection against the unseen abuse'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'a learner doesn't make money, but a teacher does, and a representative of the teachers makes more'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'isn't that interesting, i bet kids would feel more drive to go to school if they got a compensation for being where they're required to be, sort of like the germany recently lifted mandatory military service'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: ''volunteer work' but the government is 'volunteering you''
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'bollocks '
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'don't go to school if you don't like it'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'or pick something else'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no-one is forcing anyone to do anything'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i seen alot of better ways education could be operated'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i also seen that the scientists who give governments their learning platforms are aware of those ways'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'by the age of 8, they say that king george was versed in 2-3 languages and able to talk politics in each'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what was the difference between the kings school and today's school?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i bet he wasn't in a classroom with a bunch of kids and one teacher'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'so, in fascist theory evolution regards how attractive the human body appears to be, and not how wise the body's inhabitant is'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '(that's my take on it')'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'should every prisoner in a institution have their crime's inscribed onto their prison clothes?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what are you in here for?  we don't ask those questions here, interesting'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then one down the hall of a lesser crime can observe the shirt of one with a shorter sentence with disdain'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'sentenced to:  reason: had a good lawyer/had a cheap lawyer, wasn't a good enough liar, judge was crooked'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe make the cops polish their car's like military boots, nice and shiny for the commander in society - each car of a specific police force inscribed of the misconducts of its members'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'zapped a polock in a vancouver airport for talking polish, interesting, sexually assaulted a female officer repeatedly, ignored her request for action/chit, and gave their commanding officer a medal of honour'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'chalk that onto the prime ministers limousine'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they'd have some large vehicles after a decade or so'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'positions of social authority seem to be the only area's of a society where the bible saying, 'the son shall not be punished for the sins of the father' is in affect'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'some dogs are bred to eat rabbits, others are bred to chase them around a track'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'http://esask.uregina.ca/entry/normal_school.html about 50 years ago, if you wanted to be a teacher you went to moose jaw saskatchewan, and after a 6 week training course you received your degree - and this wass/wall called the NORMAL school'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Normal didn't mean then (at least in terms of school designation) what it does today. Normal just meant common.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Normal schools were in the States, too, particularly in the South.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'people fear not being normal, but how many of them have their teaching degree that conditions the normal minds of tomorrow?'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '6 weeks of certified insanity, and i'm free of the fear of not being normal'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they don't teach about normal in the classroom though'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'where did this strange word where norm became all come from?  it's not normal to wonder'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Again, Necro, "normal" was used differently. It just meant "common." It had nothing to do with not being abberrative, or however that's spelled.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i guess back then they still had asylum's open all around the place, where not all inmates were certifiably insane by any standards except somebody who wanted somebody sane to turn insane in theory - and administration of LSD among other things were still around in the experiments'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Sigh. Necro, I sometimes think you're a transmitter with no attached receiver.'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'to be fair, it's interesting that the normal word itself survived those time's, what's a teacher go to school for now?  maybe 5 years, or 9 if they want to teach in university - and their mentors went to school for maybe 6 weeks'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i see a few problems here, but i'm an aberration too by the normal standards'
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'These three normal schools trained thousands of teachers until 1940, when the Regina and Saskatoon buildings were taken over by the Royal Canadian Air Force to accommodate military training. '
T3/r3/2011-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'mental conditioning for normal warfare, why not, nothing's accomplished with agreements unless they exploit some force'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The Great Buck Howard.'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'ah....might be'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'soab'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'truth of the matter is Republicans committed political suicide with Medicare/Medicaid........going to funny to watch in 2012.'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i guess no one under 55 will vote in this election'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what an enlightened hypothesis'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I guess no one under 55 has nothing to complain about from either party, either.'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'abel?'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kamdble patiently twiddles his thumbs.
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'abel, the brother of cain'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'cain killed his brother abel'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i know'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'apprently abel doesn't'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'I'm pretty sure he does, given his pretitle.'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You grin evilly at him.
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'what pretitle?'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'help pretitle :-)'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i know what a pretitle is'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'type 'nopretitle' if you can't see it'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'and chill out....you are giving me a headache.'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if you knew, and didn't need the helpfile, then you wouldn't have needed to as "what pretitle"'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i saw it'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'since the helpfile tells you how to find out what pretitle'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i saw it'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'hate, hate, hate'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'once more, with feeling'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'as fraudulent and bad as religions were and are, were religions required for civilisation(s) to evolve (by duping the populace to provide labor and service to the leaders and the community)'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'indeed'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'hate, hate, hate'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i await the day we all have civil unions...since you claim 'marriage' is a religious term'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'seperation of church and state'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'who's this "you"?'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'read above'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'and what's this sepEration?'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'above doesn't cover it'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'lord knows we ask that all the time gregor'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nor does your op abel'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'Sorry, just couldn't find it in the dictionary anywhere.'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'can't kill hate with hate abel'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which op is that?'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not my job to kill your hate :-)'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'did you already forget what you wrote abel?'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I know what I wrote, but none are apropos to your statement'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'don't worry abel....i'm more advanced than you'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'ignorance and hypocrisy in one comment'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'next we'll have misinformation'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and kamdble achieves trifecta :-)'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i'm through with you abel....we all know what you have to say'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kamdble licks his lips and smiles.
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you were through with me an hour ago'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'trifecta?'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'indeed i was'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'got another final warning for me before you go?'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'in my experience that is successfully check-raising an opponent on all three streets and winning the pot at showdown.'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'sorry abel...anyone who's played with you knows what a loser you are'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'sorry'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'I disagree, abelinc is awesome.'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'pitiful actually'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'And you are just spreading hate and whining on all the channels.'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'give it time gregor'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'I've been here for quite a few years already Kamdble.'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'clanned life get too hard for you gregor?'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'or did rogues kick you out?'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'Heh....I think you will find I was in masaki.'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and yet you were a pup when i was here'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'wow, talk about hypocrisy'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'you were in rogues when i left'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'no denying'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'Good for you....what's your point?'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'left...that's an interesting word for it'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nothing'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'ignorant oln'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'on'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Komrad Kessel: 'bok bok bok bok?'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'Why don't you tell us what exactly your problem is, then we can debate whether there is any hope for you?'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i've said all i will'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's unlikely'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'rest lays in your hands'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mcgregah Gregor plays the world's smallest violin.
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'why is marriage allowed?'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'since there's a sep of church and state...shldn't everyone have a civil union?'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'priests/churches are given liscences for that, and like in some cases, 'forced to marry homosexuals' in a christian church cause the government said so'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'though that seems to go against the christian teaching'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i hear you can get married in las vegas in 5 minutes, only difference is there's no customs about it there'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'seperate of church and state'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'since 'marriage' has been claimed by the relious'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'need another'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'alot of things are claimed to be religious, maybe if you want to separate church and state some more, you want to reinvent the time system - since the world maybe didn't begin 2011 years ago'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'religion is destroying the world'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'world is way older than 2k'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'BCE CE AD ..'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'bce indeed'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'Before the introduction of UTC on 1 January 1972 Greenwich Mean Time (also known as Zulu time) was the same as Universal Time (UT) which is a standard astronomical concept used in many technical fields. Astronomers no longer use the term "Greenwich Mean Time".  I guess they're sort of working on it - but the world also didn't begin in 1972 and the computer isn't the world'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'displaying the date and time on your pc's all formatted functions'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'face it...the world moves on American time'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'GMT is centred in britain or england though'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'even Japan is waiting on calls'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i didn't disagree faust'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i said edt makes the world go round'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I thought hard drugs made the world go 'round?'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kamdble winks at Starling.
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'don't forget booze'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'That too.'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Food, alcohol, and sex.'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: '=h 5'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Oh, and guns.'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'sex, drugs, and rock n roll'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we're americans'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we all have guns'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '...cold dead hands.....'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'don't forget the barbeque, either'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'd say maybe ignorance makes the world go round, since nobody seems to really know how everything in the galaxy operates - and letting people know things isn't how societies function'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but that's how i see it'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'hate'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we hate muslims'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'they hate us'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'We hate your mom'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'She probably hates us'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'hate gays'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It works'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'recipricated'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'hate 'sinners''
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'hate hate hate'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Sinners against the LAWD'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'PRAISE JESUS'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'H. CHRIST'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'you can only kill hate with kindness'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling nods quietly to herself.  What a wacko.
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'if it means converting peeps to christianity....so be it'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'SUBDUE those INFIDELS and HEATHENS'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'I turn myself over as a heathen.'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'kindness means nothing unless it's sincere, people smiling to you over a walmart counter aren't neccessarily happy - more aware of the manager possibly watching the video camera'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'a smile spreads'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'notice walmart commercials, how they have their ad-match thing - if you find a better deal from any local business they will match it, it's what they do'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'regardless of if they faking it'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'they have a job to do'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what happens when all of those local businesses disappear, who supplies walmart's competition wallet?'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i hate walmart'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then they have no competition'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: ''made in the usa' my ass'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'about us, attempting a stand'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah, i got a johnson chainsaw says made in the usa here - i open up the carburator and it says made in japan on it'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'hoping'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and the made in usa john deer lawnmower has a kawasaki carburator'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'parts made out of country are indeed an issue'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'well...this was '86 or so'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'before Sam passed away.'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'I bet he's sleeping well.'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'until you take jobs away from $1.00 an hour employess, this country will never stabalize.'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'stabilize?'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '2nd looks better'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the contractor who hires the labourers makes big money from slave labour, even if his employees make 1$ an hour'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'not in america'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'referring to the fact that american workers at minimum wage can't compete with labor costs over sea'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'd say it's possibly a matter of national security that the government supports small businesses against businesses like walmart'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'since once all those small businesses disappears, walmart becomes the government'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'of the ends-meat retailing division'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'agreed tp an extent'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'mom and pop's have disappear'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: ''ed'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'hit walmart...send your money to china'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then if walmart wants you to starve, they can say well, we have no products see this shortage here, nevermind that you can't confirm it, we're cranking up the prices 800%'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and laying off some employees'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i need someone to start up a 'anti-walmart' facebook'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i'll print and distribute the stickers we'll tag everything with'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'any patent lawyers on?'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's just a observation i made, possibility - like all small farmers were bought out and sent to live in cities away from all the free space, while farming is now done by very few farmers who typically have a side-income such as oil to lean on'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'spit it out necro'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we don't have time...its fleeting'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i don't mean to offend...but the tired attempt at intellectual comments are sooo far old'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's farmers in my province who have the time to seed their land, but don't have the staff to manage the equipment to till the fields'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i can throw together 20 words and come up with something'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'when there was more farmers, and smaller equipment, they wouldn't have that problem at all'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'tis entertaining though'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i imagine things like super-markets follow a similar trend, though i suspect sometimes two seemingly different markets may work together to strain extra money on one product or another - padding the pockets of both'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i hate you too, it's no problem'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'lol...no hate'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'throw it all on me, i just shrug it off'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'what was the reading regarding the term 'civil union' as opposed to marriage, since its claimed to be a religious term?'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe a 7% foreign operators tax would be handy, any foreign business operating a business in a country can pay the government that on top of the other taxes'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'government wants to strangely cut taxes for multi-trillion dollar monopolies'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but they don't do the same for small-businesses'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'That's easy enough. Small businesses don't contribute 500k or 1m to Obama's campaign, do they?'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'sorry....was iaw'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Politicians have to connect to their base'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'major problem with Reps'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and dual citizenship maybe should be destroyed'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'every company that gets the ability to print made in <country> on their products, should go ahead and provide a clear abstract that is checkable for where they got all of their materials, to make sure it's so'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'importer's of things that can be produced in a country could pay that extra 7% on their imports'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'why is dual citizenship an issue?.....no Americans have that?'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'cause dual citizenship allows people to sidestep restriction's on their business practices'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'head to the college campuses'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, maybe it was a technicality. But any violation of procedure is a technicality. Though if what you mean is that he was guilty but the technicality kept him from being convicted, that's another matter.'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'So.. here in 2011, does it still be great to be white, maybe not so great so be white, or just suck? Of course, it no doubt varies by what country you live int.'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'since the whites control the WMDs, I guess it is better to be white.'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Good point.'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'the white?'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'who is that'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, I think I could have written that a lot better. '
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'which wmd's we talkin about'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Nukes wouldn't be a bad start.'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'where are those armed.. ? everywhere'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'All over, alas. God know what becomes of nukes in the former soviet states'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Holy shit, I just looked at my first post on the subject. That's English?'
T3/r3/2011-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the nukes from the former SSRs are now controlled by Russia. Or did you think that the armed conflicts in Georgia and Chechnya were coincidental. Those to former SSRs happen to have deployed warheads in their domains.'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: '"people aren't looking at housing as an investment, its merely just a place to live"'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and land seems to gain value exponentially as its original inhabitants are bought out by the immigrants'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they say the speculative last time different species of orca interbred was maybe 300 years ago - i wonder if inter-racial societies that force breed people are going against natural selection or not'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it'd make an interesting read on sciencedaily or something like that, trends in evolution as speculated by scientists living in societies that defy it'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they call it racism in 'civilized nations' to breed with somebody of a same color as you, but whale's just seem to not care much about racism and don't have a ultimate dictator beyond nature'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'each subspecies of orca also has its own language and dialect , they say, large vocabulary's of communication'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'human's seemed to have the same, but most of their languages spoken by their ancestors aren't spoken anymore'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i seen a report somewhere, where they found scientific evidence that , even though never spoken around a descendent of a certain subspecies of human, while considered unable to communicate as efficiently as others in their adopted/forcefed tongue, when taught to speak in their ancestor's tongue, that person became a fluent linguist'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'there ARE no subspecies of human'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's caucasian and native american in one grouping - then there's semetic, aryan and hamites in another'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'then there's nationalities/divisions within each grouping'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'where a person's roots are from within the last millenia or two'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'an erroneous defintion of "species" is being used, then.'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'those line's didn't arrive on a map by magic, and homeland's of races of people may be largely obscured'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'sub-speciels, homosapian'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'marsupials and homoerectuses lol'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we are all homo sapiens sapiens.  Cro-Magnon.  All other human species either died out or were subsumed.'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'marsupials, #14 on the mammal hit parade...'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'some people came up with a saying that peole say, they say 'variety is the spice of life', i wonder how all of these analogue human societies will dampen that saying'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'around 1 person per hundred thousand in the usa will commit suicide this year, if past years are any indication - why though?  i heard it said that every 5 minutes somebody is murdered or sexually assaulted in the usa, but why?  canada has its own share, but i don't think it's quite that much per capita'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i heard / seen it written that greenland has the highest suicide rate per capita in the world, and that 1 in 4 teens or somewhere near that have admitted to attepting suicide at least once'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i wonder what leads people down all of these destructive corridor's if not for the erasing of that spice of life, monotonous alarm clock existance'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'they're trying to integrate ipad's and thing's like that into school curriculum's in ontario and maybe alberta, and trying to see how applied learning affects a child's morale and understanding of a subject (learn something and put it to use) - while they are reporting that radiation/radar (affects migration patterns of animals) can possibly cause cancer in human's, and that digital media and the fast pace of current life has made people stupider/less attention spans'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the applied learning is happening somewhere in the states iirc'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'd say the state's experiment there is more beneficial to people than the electronic classrooms approach'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: '89% of teenagers in canada owns a mobile device (age 12-30) i think it was'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'somewhere near 4 billion people in the world own a cellular phone'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and for some strange reason, the woman on mythbusters had a medical microchip implanted in her arm on one episode, while a few months later a cat is reported to have been found 9 months? after going missing, from new mexico to chicago - thanks to a microchip implant (i think they're trying to plant electronics into people and develop public trust)'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and how many highway's is it between new mexico and chicago/why wouldn't the microchip have reported a signal sooner than 9 months?  who kept the cat safe in the busy streets of that city?'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but they reported it on the news like a miracle'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'Cats can make it pretty well on their own in "busy streets"'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if the reporters figured it was a miracle without any question, and trying to sell the idea of public trust in these chips - how come they don't consider the alternate approach of knowing where these chips are implanted in the case of kidnappers, and how to jam a signal from them?'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's not a fix all solution by any stretch of the imagination'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it does make people more vulnerable and infiltrated in their civil liberties though'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'kind of like nanoprobes from the borg in star trek'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe a little radar station can be set up every x miles which monitors which citizen id's are in an area, and if one is desired to be found, click enter and get a gps layout of their exact location on a satellite map'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you see what i mean?  and maybe this station isn't always accessed by the desireable people - similar to the playstation credit cards and honda customer records'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'you on crack that you attempt to use the borg analogy as a reference'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'nanoprobe = little robotic microorganisms that submit the biological matter of a star trek crew member into the will of the collective'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what is a bad analogy about it?'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'that microchip monitoring society was already described in a sci-fi novel available in stores in the 1970's (and was likely written years earlier)'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i didn't read it'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i just see possible outcomes/uses and selling points of some things like these'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'you are at least 40 years too late with that microchip monitoring observation'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the borg's as similar to this system of government in conception as that guy in the middle of the matrix who is beyond the tubes'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'some people don't live 40 years, and what happened yesterday may not be reported in its entirety'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the borg provided far more than mere monitoring, so the misuse of the borg analogy is obvious'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you're trying to get me to backtrack on the obvious'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'do not use inappropriate analogies'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't think so though, since you understand it and i understand it, while you're trying to say something's not the way it most likely is - i just assume you're like a terrorist'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what's real really isn't real see, back up a couple steps and let me rewire your synapse through subtle arts of mental technicality that i've used several times before on people'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's what i mean by terrorist here, mental warfare - trying to obscure what's somebody's opinion and condemn them with the truth'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'your cerdibility is based on what you actually say, not whether some genius is able to filter out the crap and guess what you likely attempted to say but (you) failed pathetically due to lack of linguisic ability'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'credibility'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'linguistic'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the government has no motives, tax cuts for big corporations - and wal mart will meet any ad in town of a local business, as they desire them all to go out of business - while these little guys don't get tax cuts'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'credibility is often based on linguistic ability'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'another faulty assertion by you, if you think that'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'who funds wal mart's cost-cutting extravaganza while everybody else goes out of business and has to pay more in order to make any profit at all to keep on running?'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the tax payer perhaps, or the absence of those taxes that they used to pay?'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a lack of linguistic ability translates to (incoherence and) a lack of credibility '
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'wal mart might just be a branch of the government/military'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what do you think?'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'wal mart provides goods at cheaper prices'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's just one of many, but you see what i mean - motives just might exist in places from places where you don't expect that you don't expect'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and once all local businesses are nonexistant, what will they charge with no competition?'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'some local small stores are lazy price-gouging "thieves"'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'd rather some good some bad than one bad'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and one nonexistant'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'tax cuts to big corporations is kind of funny really, it's like the greedy citizen sees a way to shorthand the big corporation by taking some ads over there that will lose it money, and don't realize that they're ripping off taxes that weren't paid and their own selves in the process - or they can't afford very much but can afford more there than otherwhere, and by purchasing from there they further impoverish themselves by asking for more tax cuts to supply them with more'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it seems like that to me, it could fit the context of how they run things'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and the canadian coastguard patrols shell natural gas wells located around sable island (which has a pocahontas and wild horses sandbar living history on it), which the tax-payer pays for, and that natural gas is used alot of the time to extract the oil from the tarsands in alberta'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but they get some tax-cuts, why?  put the onus on the person at the gas pump to front the bill of the coastguard patrolling their natural gas, i guess - with a few hundred billion leftover for random things'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'by complaining without offering decent alternative solutions, you are reinforcing and supporting the evils you allegedly criticise (but are in fact submitting yourself in sycophantic grovelling belly-up praise)'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm pointing out some things in reality that i see/hear of to be real, and that aren't reported as they are to the public'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what use is a solution to a problem nobody understands?'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'in psychicwarfare you'd be massacred fast'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'in psychicwarfare there is no mercy'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't believe much in keeping things that impact billions of lives covered in ignorance to preserve their functioning'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if that's your version of black magick psychometry then i guess i would'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's not grovelling, it's pointing at an asshole shitting on my life and asking how come nobody else sees it'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'in the process shitting on it with pride'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'again you grovel and accept being shat upon by some asshole'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or at least saying, hey wise guy who shat on me from birth, your turds are visible asshole'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lets see you escape a cage i clone you into, and see how able you are to escape my intricate webs of lies'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's a bad analogy (with a emphasis on anal)'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'psychicwarfare does not forgive some mistakes such as you are attempting'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't need your forgiveness, you cross me i cross you'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'hold it against me, i'll hold you against you'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'siining you shall sin, and dying you shall die ... loser!'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'lets do a internet inventory of hostile pseudo-actions directed directly or indirectly towards me - and my responses'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think you'll find the scale's tip largely in my favour, but balance at some points'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'you are wrong'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'hold onto that belief, i'll hold onto mine'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'put some faith in it, worship it like a idol'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'll do the same and we'll see what we come up with, you against you and you against me against me'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and of course, me against you'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'you destroyed youself with too many bad vices:  alcohol, nicotine, sloth, incoherence, illiteracy, dishonesty, mud-addiction, pride at debauchery, pride'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that's ok, god's world is full of them and if god exists he has some explaining to do, otherwise he remains without me forever as i remain without god'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'this world's a transient illusion with false visions of progress and endless reasons why not, supplied by society and the psyche'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'death is a liberty from it'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'the body adds more reasons why not on top of the mental warfare born into the clone cage at birth to death ritual'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(you've already destroyed yourself in this life and are unworthy -- but "eternity' is a long while -- perhaps you may yet repent of a few vices so that samsara may appear to change)'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and removing it's the way towards something beyond its control'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(chalk this observation to Saint Jude - patron saint of lost causes)'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you have a faulty perception of worthiness, i think you better open up your telescope and magnify some little people in the world with big sugar cubes, and explain how they're so worthy '
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'now you're doing what you said i do in not supplying any support to your 'solution''
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and your judgement of me remains in the ground'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'you are either a self-confessed failure or a conniving liar'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'all men are liars and only god is true is a nice religious expression from the gospel that i remember'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that doesn't mean they're always lying though'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i can feel this life trying to end though, have been able to for the last 10 years or so, sometimes nature, sometimes my body, sometimes my mind, etc'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i guess you're probably right about this reality being over for me, but so it is for everybody else eventually'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i can't say i had anything to live for, seeing it all disappear won't be remembered'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'you are wrong again'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'life's like a dream where your soul stands in front of a mirror you look at for self identification, which is smashed by a violent devil- called hell and shards are taken up in her hands as she lunges at you with it while you wake up'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'maybe that's exactly what it is, but it's just not seen'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or a legion of demonic cat's clawing at the screen of your ozone layer which is your soul and trying to get at your spirit on the inside, and you can't escape their encompassing of yourself while you wake up to escape the vision that you escaped to while staring into the eyes of a serpent in a tube of serpents with a lid on the top that you were placed in by a warlock in the world (or servant of its master) and are waiting to wake up in the same place again'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a decent life is not based on false-conjectures'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but who can say which is a dream and which is really real?  dreams seem endless until they end, such is life i think'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'conjecture: and yet if you you take refuge in mind-numbing alcohol and nicotine, you are an addiction-addled coward unable to "wake up" as the "awake state" is too terrifying'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'nah, i went for durations of 9 - months, 2 - months and things like that of abstinence from any 'numbing' activities, and i found that life was the same, without the distractions they offer and without the shortened life-sentence i was handed'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'unless a ruse, you previously attempted to take refuge in false religious conjectures based on distorted scriptures of fraudulent religion(s)'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't take refuge in the words really, i just point them out when they make a good metaphor'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or something to consider in consideration of ...'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i think if most people had a self-hate filled mind like mine, self-condeming worst case scenario outlook on life - they might find reading the bible to be a seemingly ultimate damnation of the self'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and innumerable reasons why they're being tortured, with no proof that in abstinence any form of grace appears, as when in abstinence for me, it didn't'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'add some history into the mix and some furthering conclusions can be reached, which is more meaningful is guesswork though'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'attempting to deceive others with incoherent corrupt(ed) religious metaphors is not exactly honest'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how many people alive today do you think have spent countless time trying to figure out the message of the bible, at their own expense hindering their progress through life, or as they're already hindered aiding in that hinderance for sport'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'm not trying to deceive anybody, i expect people to know when i'm lying and when i'm not, as they've proven to know my whole life through'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or does the real world somehow not fit into the trends of the virtual world?'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'alot of the things you may call lies have elements of truth to them though, along with consideration's which you despise philosophically'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if i make a morbid metaphor after witnessing 10,000 morbid commercials on tv, who's in the wrong?  me or my tv?'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'or its builders?'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i wonder'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'abstinence from injurious vices is to permit a healthy body healthy mind  (and not the vanity of false airs of hypothetical graces)'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'are those pepole much different than those i encounter on this ?   probably not'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if words can be held against me, then how come they're not held against a fiction author (belial?) or a director's script'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'this here virtual world is largely full of fiction isn't it?'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'if you frequently regularly deliberately lie, then you likely are attempting to deceive others '
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what you call a lie may be a philosophically unprovable either way, with only arguements argueing for or against'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's the physical world, and the world of thought'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and as you seen, expressing your ultimate gameplan's for the world to see isn't neccessarily how you run a successful monopoly and enslavery system (of some entity), considering what's not discussed is largely open to speculation'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and if somebody has no motives at all, somebody can always freely express that fact for the world to see'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and i don't desire to deceive others about anything other than myself usually, if i give somebody the impression i'm one way that they despise, i can see how they act upon me, (part of a gameplan), if they think i know something, maybe they will reveal what they know'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and really, if i had some ego problem i would be trying to feel wanted here, but i don't usually aim for that kind of attention'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'cause i know it's false anyways, and aiming for a lie's not really any indication of a true course'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i believe you're a real being, here in this game - discussing issues with you is alright, if you hate me maybe i'll see a side of you reflect that you enjoy indulging in'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i've had my fair share of mind-game's played on me through this thing, and recognize when alot of them are occurring'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'would you like to play monkey in the middle to please both sides of the game your entire life, or make them hurl the ball at you and turn them into your monkeys?'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'may soon desist from wasting-time playing aardwolf, so fast-tracking or discarding your "rehabilitation"'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but i'll miss u'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'in honor of weinergate and this past Memorial Day celebration, I've sent sausage pictures to all the nubile young women I know.'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Nebmaatre chuckles at Dokkar's joke.
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'did afghan just say earlier we cldn't use drones?'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '...and they want us gone...'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '...guess never heard of 'counter productive''
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if Afghanistan were any bigger they would have gone to war with the US, so they are doing what they can. The US raid was violation of international law.'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'was ordered by un'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'is why there's question re stopping drones'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '...and'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'everything is approved by afghan...re the drone attacks'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'he's playing politics'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'paki/Osama'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '?'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'hiding?'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US is not a political body anyway, and it certainly does not have the power to override sovereignty.'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the UN, rather.'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i disagree'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we'll never have another hitler'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'not until the false prophet paves the way for the antichrist, at least'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we might blow ourselves up...but never another hitler'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of course you disagree, you are not the one getting invaded.'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'point mute anaristos'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'er moot'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'think someone already called a bad spelling day'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'that said, i am involved'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's National Typo Day, actually'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'unemployment at big numbers, killing myself on gas'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no it is not, it goes to the heart of the matter. If the UN decided that the US was in need of intervention, the US would tell it to fuck off and declare war on any nation that tried to follow the UN order. So what's good for the goose...'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'don't say americans aren't paying for these wars'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'well...i agree'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'if we had a revolt in the usa, wld the governement sit by'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'heh, we're not.  We're borrowing from China.'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'sp'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i agree'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cadfael: 'personally I blame the ducks'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'if the greedy ceo didn't send our jobs overseas'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'is why i wona't shop at walmart'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'is why i check every box for 'made in america' or at least not 'made in china''
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so? the ones that are at the sharp end of the stick are paying more.'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cadfael: 'think about it. ducks just leech off society and sit around eating bread that they don't pay for all day long'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'sharp end?'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'while i hate fraud, there are people who need'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the ones being shot at by the troops'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'the fraud is the problem, police that'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'to have "made in america" on it, it must be at least 75% us-manufactured components.'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and every government agency'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i agree'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'parts from overseas'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'at least for anything younger than 1994...'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'the american worker can't compete with 2 dollars an hour'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'if nothing else, kick those tariffs up'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'even US companies can't label the stuff they put together here if they aren't meeting that 75% spec.'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nods'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '25% wld put quite a few pple to work though'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the first question that comes to mind is: Who gives a crap?'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'prob'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'problem'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'thank god we all don't have that attitude'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'an object's value is a function of its performance not where it was made.'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'prob one of those that bitches afterwards'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'value is the price you pay'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'however money has no value unless you spend it'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, I go along with that, so who care where it was made?'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'from a 'facts of life' episode'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'mrs garrett'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'US-made parts means that for any given product there's a vast web of supporting economy.'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'americans do'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so I should by crap to support the web, makes sense.'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'web?'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'talking about american jobs'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'sent to china for $2 an hour wage'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I repeat, I should buy an inferior product just so some inept person can keep his job.'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'first time i'm hearing the word 'inferior''
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'but...should it be inferior'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'why wldnn't it be'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'all our money goes over there'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'which products do you consider inferior?'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'great for r and d'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I for one, buy the best I can of anything. So if I didn't buy one that was made in the US, I didn't buy it because it was inferior.'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'again...you mentioned inferior'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'that's your decision'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'don't bitch about gas and taxes though'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'but i'm sure you're the only one buying gas'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is nothing to bitch about, gas prices are as high as they are because the people are willing to pay the price.'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'palin / trump?'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'op'
T3/r3/2011-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'same as mine'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'for example, Ford Motor Co is an American company who does business primarily in the US.  Across the board, it is illegal for them to refer to their vehicles as "Made in America" because not a single make or model meets the 75% US-made parts quota.'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and ford is kicking ass atm'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'manufacturing jobs'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'fine for them, I don't like fords.'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'parts'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'sales lots'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'me neither'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'not sure what that has to do with the debate'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'someone's buying them'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, it seems the suggestion would be to buy fords. I rather walk.'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and its all over the news about their success'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'walk?...bikes'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'get them thighs pumped up'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'chicks love sexy thighs'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'are you buying import brands?  Because none of the companies that refer to themselves as American meet the Made in America standard, either. Not Chevy, not GM, not Mercury, Lincoln, Buick, and so forth.'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'sure they do'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'otherwise they wldn't use the phrase'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i'm sure its trademarked'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I made the mistake once of buying to support the local economy. Never again. I was never saddled with so much crap.'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'nope, not a single car made by any of the named companies is "Made in America".'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '....crap is made everywhere'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'very true'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'includ the us'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but if you don't shop around and only worry about jobs for those who build crap, then you will only buy crap.'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, so that was my point all along, why should I buy something "Made in America" that is crap.'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'but you'll always buy inferior if the company can't do r&d'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'you're just helping china along'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'would you buy a Toyota or a Honda?'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and as such, you'll be buying china'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'your view of companies abroad is rather naive.'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'doubt it'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'would you buy ANY car from a company not listed as an American company?'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '...and the bottom line is, is it cheaper to produce here or abroad'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is crap being built in China, no doubt. But if you think that the Chinese are not capable or R&D, you are being naive.'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i'd buy foreign relative to domestic re car'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'about the only thing'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'you don't mess around with your car'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'then you are buying a "Made in America" product.'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'sure sure, that's why we have a shortage of their vehicles'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'maintenance costs more than purchase.. thats all dont local'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'maintenance?'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'drive til it dies'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and what's more to the point, the reason China builds so much crap is because the US consumer is willing to buy it.'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i didn't say i was willing'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i agree'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'again...i check every damn box'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'most of the foreign offerings have a minimum of 75% US-made parts, with a few on the higher end having 80% or more.'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'promise...every'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'sounds right'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'no idea really'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'as long as some jobs stay here'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i'll concede'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'least at this moment in time'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not true for computer hardware'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'do tell'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'not being sarcastic'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'curious'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'most components are made in Indochina.'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'don't you hate text and tone'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'bleh...china'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the simple fact of material resources means we can't make jack here with regards to electronics.'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'paying for weapons'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sorry, I meant Indonesia.'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'japan'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'don't mind indo so much'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though much comes from Hong Kong too'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'don't mind them'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'china is my peeve'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I didn't know you were debating out of prejudice, Kamdble'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we have to have some foreign trade'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'if you think i'm pregudice you have a rude awakening'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'sp'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'actually...that's a typo'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so that "bleh, China" wasn't a sign of prejudice...'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'some non-American companies are attempting to get rid of the "foreign" aspect of that.  One-world sort of stuff.'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'china...not chineese'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'do you know what a categorical mistake is?'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i'm a gay man...back off on the prejudice...can't win that arguement'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'repeat'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and not a happy go lucky cause it was accept 20yr old'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what you said is equivalent to "I can't stand Americans, but I love the US", pure nonsense.'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'no i didn't'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'how is that nonsense?'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and i encourage a copy/past'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'paste'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well you said the converse, which must be true.'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and i encourage a copy/paste'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'that just means you hate humans'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'much easier to love an ideal'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but unless you are talking about the ecology or the biota, you can't separate the country from its people. To do so is a categorical mistake.'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'regardless...although....still waiting on the paste....i'm not prejudice rather you read it that way or not'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'paste'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and what people occupy the usa?'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'curious'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I said "Indochina", you said "bleh, China", sounds prejudiced to me.'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'human people'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'that's not what i said'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'you corrected yourself after my comment'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'changing it to indo'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '*shake*'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, you did, type debate -h'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'paste it'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'comment before and after'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's beside the point, you reacted to the reference to Indochina.'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'context means a lot'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'cool then anaristos'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'palin / trump lunch?'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, it seems that you have a distate for the chinese, that's what comes across.'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'wasn't intended to'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'palin/trump? fuck them both.'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i've only meant to express disgust at us sending jobs overseas'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i'd rather indo get my money that the military power that will overtake the us'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, as I said, the jobs are not being sent overseas, the overseas jobs exist because the US consumer is willing to buy their products.'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you want the economy of China to collapse, don't buy from them.'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US instituted an embargo on Cuba, why doesn't it do that to China? Oh, wait, there is no guarantee that the US would survive the war that would surely come... '
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'bak...sorry'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'had to get mom's meds ready'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'after double'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'agreed....i sooo want palin to run'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'not sure re mitt's chances'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'palin is sooo a bust'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kamdble patiently twiddles his thumbs.
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kamdble patiently twiddles his thumbs.
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kamdble patiently twiddles his thumbs.
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kamdble patiently twiddles his thumbs.
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i disagree'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'everyone has an op'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no u'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'been around too long'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'no baiting'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gawyn: 'cant take the heat on gossip Kamdble? its an acceptable channel to talk on'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we'd already be asked to exit'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gawyn: 'no you werent, you suggested it'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kamdble licks his lips and smiles.
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'open gates into egypt?'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'Mexico losing it?'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PenguinGod Galoth: 'likely had a script'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'dare i say...*sigh*'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'Obama kicking ass'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PenguinGod Galoth: 'well i'm sure they did script it, but had a script for either eventuallity'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'anyone comment on yahoo articles?'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'don't script that crap'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'no one fires a gun, or throws punches re scripts'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'these people are pissed'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PenguinGod Galoth: 'someone usually plans these things'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'I will take the negative of the proposition: "There is nothing to debate."'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'I'll start. There is not nothing to debate.'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'sure...the repo peeps'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PenguinGod Galoth: 'there is not no nothing to debate'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'there never always was.'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'agreed'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'just like assholes'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'guessing we all have one'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'but if you don't....please keep it quiet and call me'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kamdble shakes his head.
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'prob with the world, we've lost common sense'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kamdble licks his lips and smiles.
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kamdble sniffs sadly.
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'no bait though'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'still off'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'cigars a bit diff'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i mean...dude smoked to 101'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'bottom line...i won't lay in a hospital bed for years with a diaper on'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'that's bs...'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and yet we work til that happens'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'rambling now...sorry'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'do republican not know that they committed politcal suicide with their budget prop with med/med'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'again...rambles'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'still...always want to learn the counters'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'wait...perhaps wiki is better'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'peple like to bash churches and say they're the god they preach, but consider the christian churches in the world that call the priest father, or call upon father in the presence of the priest, who the priest seems to listen or answer for - And call no [man] your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. [Matthew 23:9 from the KJB]  - what does this mean?  I find it strange'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's other things, but this one sticks out to me as questionable practice'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'methinks you're applying your prejudices to the office here.'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'christians weren't supposed to have priests in the first place, that's reasonably clear'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'www.catholic.com/library/Bishop_Priest_and_Deacon.asp'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'The Archdiocese of San Francisco said the pastor at St. Raymond's Catholic Church -- Father William Meyers -- has been removed from his post because of the incident.  http://www.ktvu.com/news/28103869/detail.html'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): .Faust Necroshine sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'something to keep in mind if one ever searches for a church of that book to go to, i guess'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and how could their staff not be aware of that?  don't they obsess over that book, or is that just a front?'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'there's nothing more obsessive than a Jew discussing the Hasidic Texts.'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'anglican is a british version of the church i think, i'm not sure if they call their priest father too, but the king who took down the catholic churches from its borders way back when maybe saw something similar like i see'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they can go for weeks debating the meaning of the word "is" is.'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i walked by a mosque, a masonic temple, a temple of ladder day saints and things like that, but never did go and investigate'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'can't recall ever walking by a synagogue, but i have been in a jehovah's witness church once, thing resembled a military bunker, lol camera's and things all over it'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'and the people there were all filthy rich'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'using assorted NT texts to support anything resembling the catholic system (priests dispensing sacraments, a system of middlemen between believers and God etc) is rather dubious exegesis'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'yeah, i think nearly every religion in the world has double-standard's and divisions in it, one leans one way another leans the other way at some point, each has their own reasons but not many question those reason's, as god maybe largely an ignorant concept to people who fear not being a part of reality cause of damnation from the being they preach'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i'd never be a priest or attempt to deceive people using a god that i know is not what i know but which i know i can use to control them through'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but not everybody's like me'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'like as they do, i'm skeptic and like to understand something more than telling people about what i know about it'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you? a skeptic? c'mon'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'skepticism relys on reason'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but when i see a question that i can't answer (like this father question), i like to see whether other people know about it, and what they think is the reason for it, since my own reason's aren't coming from them and aren't neccessarily what their reasons are'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'you know, that it is, but that it's said in the book that they preach that it probably shouldn't be'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'unless it is symbolic sort of, like that priest listening on behalf of while the person refers to somebody who the priest advises from the book of'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'but, like seen in those webpages, it appears that's not neccessarily it, 'father <priest>' is their designation'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'is national police services a wise thing?  would it be wiser to have national funding for local police services?  what does this stranger from quebec care about the little community of kelowna, for instance?  are people more likely to become corrupt if they're all decentralized from their home-lands?'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'how about doctor's, shouldn't adequate funding be given to each district to support its own people, and provide funding for those of them who could be their own peoples doctors?'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what does this stranger from nigeria care about your citizens?'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'firefighters are often civilian's who go to fight fires when it's neccessary, in alot of communities, why aren't police the same?  neighbourhood watch that is trained in policing?'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Because a fire is a single undertaking which is easily defined, noticable when it's happening and has a clear solution.'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i don't think having military government police posts of strangers ruling your own district is a solution though, they often don't seem to have any empathy or permanant place in a place where they enforce the law - unlike somebody who was raised there would - look at those G-summit police in toronto for instance, 4 km lockdown and people farther than 8km away being patted down and assaulted around the fenced-in red-carpet of the summit, protestors shot with rubber bullets to the laughter of the cops who beat on them cause they're told to'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'those police have no sense of the things the people are protesting being legitimate or not and don't care about the free speech of their citizens'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'it's like if one country goes and invade's another country that they consider to be animals and toys for their humour, while the other countrie's justice is off doing the same to another country'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'if they realized that every time they raised their hand in class they lost a finger maybe they would realize that that's what they do to them'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'ok, now tell your mother to put a sock in it with a mallet and shoot pepper spray into her eyes so she can't see who her abusers are'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'sir yes sir'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'not gonna happen'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stick it Inicus: 'Word.'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'word to who?'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stick it Inicus: 'To the debate rant that is too long for me to read.'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stick it Inicus: 'Or, "to yo motha"'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'fix the problems or i'll keep on criticizing them, got a problem with it stick your head in a hole like an osterich'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'better'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stick it Inicus: 'You know ostriches really don't bury their heads right'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'larry wall the premier of my province is against any worker rights or union's and is cutting public spending on anything not relating to corporation's not making more money'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'he's like a neo-nazi i think'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i wonder what nation he works for, maybe the UN?  russia?  israel?'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'most likely not canad'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'wall street, maybe america'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'just curious you know, puppet government's'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'earn your wheat slaves, and feed me'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'brad wall*'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'i guess in about 20 years canada will be a 3rd world nation like one in south africa'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'You ever been to Newfoundland?'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'nope'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'Ghana > Newf'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'there's no reason at all a foreign corporation is digging any mineral at all from canada, and why canadian corporation is digging anything at all from a foreign nation'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'what's a university for if there's only a foreign government to please with your degree'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'beer and pussy?'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'dummies don't wonder why every operation ehre isn't ran by here'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'ass is the new pussy these days.'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .Faust Necroshine: 'that seems to be the main thing they do there, tickle their genetalia and live off of their parents oil money while looking for a job to play in'
T3/r3/2011-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'Docking is the new anal'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'chinese hackers?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'these spelling peeps are crazy'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'beiber gay?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the main difference would be the weight if you are thinking of dualing.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'hey :) just be yourself :)'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'always'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'always gonna be haters, and lovers'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'personally....love the haters'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Kamdble, spamming Q&A is not nice. That channel is for help not for debate.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and yet i'm not on q&a'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'what's your point?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'think i don't know when to bail?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if don't have something specific concerning the game mechanics, stay out of that channel.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'regardless of the stupidity'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'well anaristos'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'how do you feel about paki saying we cldn't use drones?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's their country.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'or...the fact '
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and yet....they approve all our strikes'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'dude is playing politics'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'how you feel about e.coli in europe?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'how about the war crimes again mladic?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'shut down of germany''
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nuclear plants'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'or the fact that the ukranians want to mine some uranium?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'don't start nothing, won't be nothing'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '..and you a fool if you take me on re current events'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'religion is a farce?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'yes it is.....'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'or is it hate, hypocracy, and misinformation'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'God is real though'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhezabyl: 'Religion is a tool, and a device or means of enacting a way of thinking.  The question is, does what a particular religion deify a farce.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'god is not real'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'suit yourself'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'sorry greg...love ya'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you can't say that tho'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'yes i can'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'let's follow a book from long ago'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhezabyl: 'If you stand on the grounds that you can't prove that God doesn't exist, we get you can't prove he does.  Don't go that route.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'when thunder was a mystery'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'exactly, jhez'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fluffled Salvanas gallantly tips his hat to Mcgregah Gregor.
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'shame...'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhezabyl: 're-read what I said carefully Dagnir'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhezabyl: 'You selectively read it, I believe (grin)'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i did'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'the bible is proof'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'hell...these peeps didn't know what thunder was'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'lol, the bible :P'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'sorry....fiction'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'ever read it?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'great novel though'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'Oh, it's fiction?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhezabyl: 'I have, 12 years of catholic school, and 2 in catholic seminary.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'YEP'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'Archaeology has shown beyond a doubt that some of it is based on fact.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'So the question really becomes, 'where do you draw the line?''
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhezabyl: 'So is the movie A Beautiful Mind'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'A Beautiful Mind, does not contain in depthy lineages of various houses'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It cannot be proven that god doesn't exist. However, it can be proven that god exists and that's actually quite easyif it existed. The burden of proof is on the person that says it exists. Until proven otherwise, the default position must be that god does not exists. Same applies for any other deity.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'sorry'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'If you've ever read the huge lineages given in the bible, you'd appreciate what dull "fiction" that makes.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i've read'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhezabyl: 'The lineage!?  you mean the one with 900 year old people?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'one of the great novels of all time'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'requesting a negative proof ( to prove something doesn't exist) is an invalid form of debate...'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'Most didn't live that long, it was only pre-flood times bible characters lived that long.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'you see at death'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'big long dirt nap'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'Scentists don't fully understand why we die anyway.....'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhezabyl: 'yes they do.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'Our bodies renew themselves, we should technically be able to go on living.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'Well, they understand what CAUSES death....but not WHY it happens.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'can't understand why peeps wld follow a religion during the time when...the earth was the center of the uni'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhezabyl: 'I don't undertand why gravity works either.  But I know it does, and that it's quantifiable.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Oh, we don't follow a religion. That's the whole point of Christianity, is that it's not a religion. :)'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There are a lot of things that are not explained by science. However, that doesn't mean it never can be understood, not does it automatically mean that a deity must be involved.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'move from polytheism to monotheism'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhezabyl: 'give me something, anything quantifiable and verifiable about god'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'confused?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'the bible is verifiable.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhezabyl: 'No, that is the worst route.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '... or that it won't be explained by science at some future date.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'A book that is scientifically, historically, and prophetically accurate.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhezabyl: 'The bible was editted thousands of times, translated through dozens of dead languages'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'never said i didn't believe in existance'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'Oh, was it now? ^^'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'whoa there, Gregor :)'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Even if some events in the bible may actually be correct, at best it is a history book. '
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'including j'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Gregor is high, don't listen to him.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'The bible is written in mainly 2 languages, hebrew and greek.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'most translations are rendered from the original language.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the bible is a chronicle, no more, no less. Some of these chronicle re-tell stories that were told at earlier times and in different cultures.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i see several peeps who need to take western civ'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'Well, we run into difficult when simply referring to it as a chronicle.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and some of the chronicles are unique to the Jewish people.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Agree, and disagree, Anaristos.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhezabyl: 'So, people who live before "the FLood" could live to be 900 years old.  The earth is 5000 years old, and God believes in polygamy, sweet Greg :D  Have a nice day.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There are many ways to prove god. For instance, if god exists, he can glide down on a rainbow, tell me the password to my mail account and next weeks lottery numbers, and I might believe him to be a god. Or he could lower the carbon content in the atmosphere to pre-industrial levels.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'play on'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the flood, adam and eve, for instance, those stories are older than the bible.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhezabyl: 'and not christian'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'face it....religion is the downfall of america'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'stories of the flood exist in many cultures......perhaps there is a reason for that.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the bible was not meant to be a religious book.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'as do the 'god''
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhezabyl: 'Christ, even the story of Jesus can be found in a half a dozen religions in the same region far pre-dating Jesus' story.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and 'savior' role'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it attempts to be a historical document.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes, there have been many floods, and writers always exhaggerate.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'The bible addresses the creation of the earth, so I guess it depends on what exactly you mean by 'religious''
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i don't deny jesus's existance'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I do.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhezabyl: 'The child of a god, prophesied universally, has a demi-god nature, all not original concepts at all.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'check out the story of osiris'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'jesus existested'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'Yes, kamdble has watched zeitgeist'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Jesus is a fictional character. There is no evidence of him/it.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'EXISTENCE'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I can write a paper on what I believe are the beginnings of the Earth, no need to be religious about it.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '"Existance" isn''
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i read'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'The huge irony behind that? Jesus wasn't born on the 25th of december.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 't a word.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'Christmas is a pagan festival.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: ''watch''
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'rofl'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'So naturally it might stem from other pagan festivals.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'The Pentateuch was in no way meant to be a historical document, as such. By it's very nature, it was writen after, passed on by oral tradition until it was finally written, most authorities agree by Moses, long after the events recorded. So no, it is not a historical document.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'x rated'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the date of Jesus' birth was fixed in 322, by Constantine :)'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'ask the fuck around'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'christmas is an attempt to snuff out pagan festivals'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'But taken alongside other supporting documents that ARE historicaly accurate, it can be held up as historically relevant, if not history itself.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'Yes, constatine tried to make christianity more acceptable by combining it with pagan customs.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Fictional chartercs can be born whenever the writer decides.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'xmas is a pagan festival'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'not even the ann of jesus'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'xmas is 'merican festival'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'jesus' birth'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhezabyl: 'Ok, This is silly.  I don't think he's serious, and this is a tiresome debate.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'Nowhere in the bible does it tell christians to celebrate Jesus' birth.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kamdble waves goodbye to Jhezabyl.
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'There are two accounts of birthdays mentioned in the bible and they are both extremely negative events.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fluffled Salvanas is agreeing with that Mcgregah Gregor person again...
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Call that holiday by the proper name, Yule.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'actually, many of the church's liturgy stems from pegan rituals. Most can be attributed to Constantine, which did not convert to Christianity as legend has it, but remained pagan and worshipped the Sun god.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and neither calls our for xmas'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'You are correct there anaristos.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Gregor's been hitting the crack pipe again, sigh. :('
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'sorry'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'there is no god'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'Catholicism are a great example of an entity who claim to abide by bible teachings but do not.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'god helps people cope'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Sure there is a god.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the main reason by the Catholic church and the future protestant churches use Sunday as their they of worship. The christians at the time of Constantine felt that by using the same days as the religion of Constatine they could remain outside the limelight.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'His name is Yog-Sothoth.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'gotta believe there's something else'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'instead of being worm food'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'I wouldn't go that far, Gregor, but I agree on the sentiment.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, you don't. There is nothing wrong with believing in god as long as you are prepared to find out later on that you were wrong.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'sad'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You are allowd to believe whatever you wish. Now, if you care about it being true or not, is another question.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'Nod, although that's just another example of how Catholicism veer from bible teachings. The sabbath was a command given to the ancient israelites, and is not a required part of the new convenant.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'life is short'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and there you are ...quoting'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'NB: Not required, does not mean, not beneficial.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'Adam and eve never kept the sabbath for example. God gave it to the israelites to serve as a remembrance after delivering the israelites from the land of Egypt.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'sad....too many ignorant people'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'at each stage of human development there has been a need to attribute to a higher being things that were not understood. The amount of data which is still a mystery is very large but not as large is it once was.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'This is true, but if you really strip away the embellishments of all world religions you will end up with some striking similarities.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'religion is destroying the world'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and must of us believe in god because we were trained to do so as a child, it is doubtful that if our parents left our beliefs alone most of use would have become religious.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fluffled Salvanas is agreeing with that Kamdble person again...
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'One such similarity is that initially mankind lived in paradisaic conditions before eventually losing God's favour.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fluffled Salvanas rapidly nods twice at Kamdble, in complete agreement.
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'Well yes, it's interesting when you consider that atheism is actually a pretty new concept.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'why?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Gregor, you are assuming facts not in evidence.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'aren't we all equal?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'Anaristos, I am sharing my findings of many long hours of research.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Down with religion, let's go Christianity ;)'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'thankfully religion is dying'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'If you need evidence of what I am saying, I can gladly reference sources.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'baby boomers dying'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'But not here on this channel.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'religion isn't dying. it's an essential part of human nature'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i disagree that atheism is a new concept'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'asian countries didn't have religion for a long time'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you have just moved up from swinging around trees to having a consciousness, the need for a higher being is obvious. But time has shown that most of those beliefs can be explained now in a mundane way.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'lies dag'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'regardless re atheism'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'for example, my country is 90%+ atheist or non-religious. however, people are superstitious as fuck '
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'I'm not saying that atheists didn't exist in the first century, I'm saying it's new in that it's the first time that the general populace have embraced atheism in such a manner.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i'm headed to hell'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there was a time when humans worshipped fire, or have you forgotten that?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'lemme know about the thermostat'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'Heh, there was?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Kamdble, you gonna debate, or just make flippant insulting comments? :P'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'I understand humans worshipped the God Baal, which involved rites including passing their children through fire.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'have a nice trip, Kamdble.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'That's not the same as worshipping fire though.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'does no know about the change from polytheism to monotheism'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'religion and faith are hardwired into our brains. it's just that it can manifest in several different ways'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'no there not'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's much more later, Gregor. I am talking about a time when humans didn't have the means to produce fire and just watch the skies give it to them.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'The change from animism to polytheism to monotheism, is an unproven assumption.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'religion is a brainwashing exercise'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'parents drag ya'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'For example, what period of time are you referring to Anaristos?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Kamdble, fully agree with that. Religion IS brainwashing.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'Give me a rough date.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'One should, no, one NEEDS to decide for themselves what they believe in.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir puts eyedrops in Gregors drink.
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'doing stuff "religiously" is not belief.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'one rough date, coming right up'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'just drag your kids'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mcgregah Gregor is agreeing with that Fluffled Salvanas person again...
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'instead of lettin them make their own decisions'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'We all have free-will to decide what to do with our lives.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'agreed greg'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'doesn't mean you're right though'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'But there is no harm in addressing the mystery of why we are here. I think it's sad when people are so consumed with their lives, they don't even consider it.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'this is what science does, gregor'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and it's pretty good at it, too'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'The bible harmonizes perfectly with science'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'no...it doesn't'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'I do not consider evolution to be a valid scientific theory'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'haha, oh wow...'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'again....great novel'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'since it does not conform to the "scientific method"'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it does'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'the fossil record show otherwise'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's motherfucking science'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'I would pose two questions to evolutionists'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'perhaps you could answer them for me?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Evolution is a valid theory.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fluffled Salvanas: 'Whereas I do. Hey look, I'm a Christian, but I disagree with Gregor. And hey, I think it's cool that I can. Yet, even if I'm wrong, I still can accept that you know what? It doesn't matter HOW we got here, but WHY.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the thing with science is that it's true even if you don't believe in it'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'All the theory of evolution says is that life changes through time.  That's all it says.  It''
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 's not a creation or origin theory.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: '1) If the fossil record clearly demonstrates the gradual development of species, why is there the more modern "punctuated equilibrium" theorem regarding evolution? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuated_equilibrium)'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Sorry, using a keyboard I am not used to.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: '2) Why is there a huge explosion of life in the cambrian-era and no gradual development of species prior to this time (as Darwin predicted there would be)?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'no no...'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'evolution doesn't state that'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'anyone?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'Oh, it doesn't? ^^'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'because evolution happens by chance'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'Go on, what does evolution state then?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'it's like hitting the jackpot'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'and the jackpot happens very rarely'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'selective'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'that's why it's just stable for a while, then boom one day there's a leap'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'no one is gonna witness evolution'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'According to richard dawkins it seems that evolution happens in a very slow and methodical manner'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'actually they have'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'actually, evolution is very fucking fast'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'state it'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'there are real life examples'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'that's not evolution'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'that selective'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'of course, it's fast with human helping with the selection'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'Evolution states the /gradual/ development of species over time.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'evolution indicates a change in genes'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'evolution is natural selection..'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'This is not what the fossil record shows.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'no its not'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'we should stop feeding the troll'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'natural selection means selecting for some genes. over time the other non selected genes disappear'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'The fossil record also shows a huge explosion of life in the cambrian era. And little/no lifeforms leading up to this point.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nope'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It doesn't specify a rate, actually'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'there's no way of "flipping" gregor anyway. why bother?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'flipping? what do you mean?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'no change in the butterflies genetically in britain when they started spewing smoke'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'To wit, moths in London quickly evolved to have a darker coloration due to the sudden increase in the amount of soot covering buildings during the industrial revolution'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i just said'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'There is adapatation which is science fact. Evolution claims that one species can evolve into an entirely different species.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'but genetically no diff'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'over time...another thing'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'aaargh'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'evolution doesn't work like that, moron'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'sure'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'one species does not magically turn into another'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'For example, if all the light moths are eaten due to lack of camouflage, the darker moths will breed and predominate'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'That isn't evolution, that is adaptation.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Dagnir, he's just trolling you, anyway.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you fail to even grasp the fucking concept'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppered_moth_evolution'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'no off...but if you're taking biology...you're barking'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i know, i kno'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'If I struggle to grasp the concept of evolution, it is because the theory of evolution is science fiction, not science fact.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and yet starling..grammar, spelling police, is still listening'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'evolution is a fact'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and what of god?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Redryn peers intently at Mcgregah Gregor.
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'Darwin himself believed in God, as you can see in his book "the origins of species"'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'you say that things do not evolve?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'we have a theory to explain it. just like gravity is a fact and we have a theory to explain it'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'so'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'everyone can be wrong'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'Darwin also predicted a gradual development of species, and he would revoke his theory given more recent looks into the fossil record'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'For example, why this sudden explosion of life in the cambrian era?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'recent looks into the fossil record have done nothing to disprove evolution'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'is that at all relevant?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'sides...pretty sure we were just told there's no god by the smartest peep on earth'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'Yes, naturally scientists are /extremely/ selective about the evidence they use.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'wait...you smarter'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'darwin? cmon, leave him out of this'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'Because the overall picture of the fossil record is one that doesn't support evolution'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'wasn't darwin'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'very few of his stuff still stands'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'And some scientists realise this, which is why I pose the question regarding punctuated equilibrium.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'was dude who holds the same position of newton'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'Because in effect, it turns the theory of evolution completely on its head after taking a more objective view of the fossil record.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'you're worm food sorry'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '"more objective view"?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'have you ever studied biology btw?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'Uhm yes? We all have?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i have a bs in microbiology'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'what the fuck? research sponsored by a televangelist?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'so yes'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'I would be interested to here a biologists view on life appearing spontaneously however.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'ignorant amuse me'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'so do you understand how punctuated equilibrium is a form of evolution?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'Issues such as how amino acids and DNA evolved simultaneously?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'evolutionary theory that is'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and that has what to do with religion?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'organic molecules can and do appear from thin air, gregor'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'Of course I understand it's a form of evolution, but it seems rather an ironic one, since it is contrary to the original idea of gradual development.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'think they want to hear that?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and not only on earth, but everywhere in the universe'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'Amino acids can't be created without DNA, and vice versa'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Goodnight nerds.  Well, good day, really.  Gregor, stop smoking that crack.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'lats spelling, grammar police'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'what about RNA?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'retro'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'how do you argue with a person who actually doesn't understand the thing he's arguing against?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'ribonucleaic '
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'butchered thqt'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'rna viruses are a bitch'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'aids anyone?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'You are right, I don't understand it. I can't understand why scientists dogmatically stick to traditional evolutionary theory given what the fossil record shows.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'fossil record proves us'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'sorry'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'us now is it....'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yeah, i'm with him'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'you are a scientist?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i am'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and you're not'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'next question, please'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'I love science'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'indeed'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'love science'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'it's just that evolution isn't a scientific fact, it's a theory'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'otherwise i'd have been a chemical engineer'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'and one that doesn't hold up too well when you consider the evidence'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i dunno, we have nothing against punctuated equilibrium, you don't have either, so what's the debate?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'gravity is "just a theory"'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hiroki: 'gregor, what is a 'scientific fact'?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'money'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'disusting'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'The question I'm asking is. If the fossil record really DOES demonstrate a gradual development between species, why would someone invent the punctuated equilibrium theorem?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'excess and indulgence is a major prob in america'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'Does that not suggest some scientists taking a more objective look at the fossil record realise that the fossils are arranaged in a manner that doesn't actually suggest gradual development in the slightest?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so you're saying that it's not a fact because we don't understand all of it fully yet?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'so assume there is no gradual development'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'fact'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'and that the punctuated equilibrium is a better theory'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'I'm saying it remains a scientific theory.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'and we all agree on this'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hiroki: 'umm, the whole idea is to posit the most relevant theory which is supported by the most scientific evidence, until further evidence suggests otherwise'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'least more so than that book written 2k years ago'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'what are you arguing against now'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'gravity is very real but we struggle with understanding how it actually works'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hiroki: 'this is the whole spirit of empiricism'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'that punctuated equilibrium is wrong?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'But punctuated equilbrium is not what Darwin even predicted.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'if they had a god for thunder'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'or the door'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'ok, so darwin was wrong'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'so what's your argument?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'fubar'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'Right, so we've established that much.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'Interesting how it's still referred to as Darwin's theory of evolution, no?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's not'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'bottom line....peeps moved from polytheism to monotheism'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'darwin's dead'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'they were lazy'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'we have moved on and improved the theory'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'Now the point I am making is that the sudden appearance of a wide variety of a different species as seen in a cambrian era, fits well with the idea of creation.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'lots of peeps here need to take some western civ'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hiroki: 'kamdble your theological drifts are contributing nothing to the discussion'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'My initial point was that the bible and science do not contradict.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'they do'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'k'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'And since we now appreciate that evolution is just a theorrry....there is no contradiction'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'it depends on how you interpret the bible'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'How do they dagnir?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'They certainly do, if you're literal about it.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'Ok how?'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'fucking hell...'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'if you say god waved a hand and lo and behold, thousands of creatures appeared, then that's bull'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'go on, humour me.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'evolution and theory of evolution are not the same fucking thing'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'if you say god moved chances along and made it so that humans evolved, sure'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'that's not what the bible really says though.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'yea, the bible says he waved a hand'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'which is kinda contradictory to evolution'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the bible says you should kill your neighbor if you see him working on a sunday tho'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'That was a command given to the ancient israelites.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'if you wanna interpret it that way, i'll tell you you're wrong'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, i don't think the bibles creation story has to be taken literally'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'It is not a required part of the new covenant.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'It depends what you mean literally.....'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'for example, the 7 days are not 7 literal days, as later scriptures in the bible attest to.'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'the hebrew word day in that context simply refers to a period of time'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nod'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'a creative day could be millions of years long'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mcgregah Gregor: 'science shows the earth is older than 6k years as some presume'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we know the sun's path'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'religion had nothing to do with it'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '6 days my ass'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'bottom line'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'can't argue'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'unless he planted shit for us'
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kamdble falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kamdble falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kamdble falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r3/2011-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'sad'
T3/r3/2011-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'like when they catch the good guy and they spend 20 minutes deciding what to do with hin and he ends up escaping. I real life he would have been dead in a minute.'
T3/r3/2011-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r3/2011-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I've thought about it :>>>>'
T3/r3/2011-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't know, Druzil. Usually the simplest explanation the best.'
T3/r3/2011-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r3/2011-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that stuff is part of the specs, I am sure.'
T3/r3/2011-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'are we finally gonna get some legalization for weed with this new council/report?'
T3/r3/2011-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'nope'
T3/r3/2011-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'another 10-20 yrs'
T3/r3/2011-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '...uh'
T3/r3/2011-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'why didn't we do this sooner'
T3/r3/2011-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'netherlands here we come'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PastamanT: 'anyone do Lincoln Douglas or Policy Debate here?'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we do anything we want on Debate, except post links to rotten.com.'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'was a link posted?'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'mis'd'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, rotten.com links are encouraged to be posted to the curse channel due to the content involved.'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'continue'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'debate is fucking curse-allowed :-)'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and yet i can say bitch, mfr, and pussy here'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'preach it abel'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Karzon screams at Dokkar, "You get your bitch ass back in the kitchen and cook me some pie!"
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'In other words, we're free tio discuss your mom all we like.'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'so is Music channel, but we try to keep that reserved for music-related stuff.  If you wanna out-disgust someone with your ooey gooey linkage, take it to curse.'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'please tell me that was directed at me'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'plenty of cause to debate rotten.com links'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but they're not often musical'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'one site is nothing'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'why is it we send money overseas when we have starving peep here?'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PenguinGod Galoth: 'they have cooler stuff?'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'got twigs here'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'no sticks, no stems, no seeds'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karzon: 'Or why the US pharm companies charge other countries less money their perscription drugs?'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'take drug commercials off tv'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'they all cause anal leakage now'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karzon: 'The drugs or the ads?'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'either...as long as they've be prescribe'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '...'do no harm''
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'course....Jack Kevorkian died'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'euthanasia?'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nice...shld be in good shape'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we letting palistians in?'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'personally...think is good'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'wtf is palistians'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'unless you mean Palestinians'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'mud, peak'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'speak'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and indeed'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sepulchure laughs out loud.
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'was it france?'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'saying back to 67'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'think obama is jealous'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'bin Laden?'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'how about dude killed today in paki?'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'weren't bitching today ...were they'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'it's really very simple to solve the israel-palestine issue'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'tell Obama to stop giving them nukes and weapons'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'and money'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'obama?'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'and/or US'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'that might be right'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'and you will see Israel come to the negotiating table with their tails stuck between their legs.'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'isreal has an awkening comingh'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'they have no need for any peace talks so long as they continue to have US in their back pockets'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'stablization'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we've passed over israel'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i seriously don't see the prob'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'heh.'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'israel is back pocket'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'concede or lose usa funding'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '40 yrs is enough fightingh'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'hell...hitler didn't last that long'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'reminds me'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'saw a commerical past few days'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'why shld we send money/food overseas when pple starving here'
T3/r3/2011-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'sally struthers my ass'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'wonder how well a 'pit and the pendulum' approach would work with terrorists'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: '-'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'probably not as good as ending wars on other countries and religions'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'was just curious'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kamdble grins evilly.
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'seems wld be...anything re time'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'bomb perhaps....timer right in front of the duded'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'don't mind countries, don't start re religion'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'wait...except china'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'you like or dislike china?'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'dislike'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'why?'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'jobs, money'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: '??'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'figure it'll fall next decade or two though'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'still'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'if we're still here by then'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'jobs, money...means you can go into walmart and find at least 50% of items are 'made in china''
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i'm guessing re 50 btw'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'regardless...the % is too high'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So, don't buy that stuff then.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i don't'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'a la 'i hate china''
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i buy everything i can elsewhere before resorting to walmart'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes, but you haeven't given a reason for it.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'for what?'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'oh'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Walmart doesn''
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'because the american working being paid minimum wage can't compete with 2.00 an hour.....or whatever'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yet again, Dashiell: 'now is that because you hate china or you hate the greedy moneygrubbing corporations?'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'corps'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Sorry, no way to avoid dealing with the corps.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'send jobs overseas period...but china is just bleeding us dry'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yet again, Dashiell: 'aha, I knew it. You're one of those people.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So, you hate china for having a working economy? Instead of a bankrupt one like the US?'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yet again, Dashiell: 'ok, not worth arguing.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'indeed'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kamdble grins evilly.
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Sadly, part of the reason so much is made overseas is because of tax dodges.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'it is'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'tariffs/taxes need to go up on imports'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Which is not the fault of the corporations so much as the government.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'agreed...to extent'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'The government has, in ways other than minimum wage, encouraged overseas manufacturing.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'agreed'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'its not just the corps'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Largely because they like to tax the corps a lot to make people like you happy.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'gov too'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'then again, a lot of your wellbeign is built on others making stuff for you. ;)'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'like the chinese.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'excess to blame also'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'more, more, more'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'yeah, that's the american way, now isn't it? ;)'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'The world is built on inequality.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Ignore that at your peril.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'unfortunately'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'If we were all equal, we'd have nothing to give each other.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'deep'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Commerce is based on paired inequalities.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'You have something you value less than what I have, and what I have I value less than what you have.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Therefore, both are made richer by exchange.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The simple fact is that any corporation will try to minimize cost. If that means manufacturing in china, mexico or eastern europe, so be it. It will make tem richer, wich they should be.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Value is first and foremost in the eyes of those who A: possess a thing, and B: wish to possess a thing.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'the current commmerce doesnt work like that tho. Yanks have nothing, chinese have producs. Yanks trade debt for products.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'greed'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Trying to stop it is impossible.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Homer, not entirely true. We have plent of products they want. They just steal them.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i'd like to think that's not true'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Such as software.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, that just reminds me of the bridge between NJ and PA in Trenton...it's called the Trenton Makes bridge, & in giant neon lettering on the side of it it says "Trenton Makes The World Takes"'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Moderated greed is a good thing. Anything in excess can kill yo.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'okay, so nothing was an exaggeration for sure. I'm just saying more goes one way than the other, and your debts grow.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'you*'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'agreed'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'dying from debt in usa'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Anyone know why things aren't "Made in Japan" or "Made in Taiwan" anymore? Like they were when I was a kid.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'No, that is quite true. Ironically, this means that China has a vested interest in our economic wellbeing.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Japan's doing worse than the US right now.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'both those are still good though....china is the cheaper of those three'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'they still are.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'you're just not looking hard enough.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'japan is screwed atm'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'because those countries are rich now'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Largely due to hugely inflated real estate values.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Your mom is screwed harder.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nods...lots of 'made in taiwan''
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Much worse than anything in the US.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'taiwan make a lot of electronics.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nods'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'same with japan really'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Japan tends to make lots of hardware.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'that and auto'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Starling, go away. We don't want you here.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon THWAPS Ranrr for being a moron.
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'China has found some success in limited capitalism.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'whois ranrr'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i just find it hard to justify putting the economy of the usa in jeopardy when we're just screwing ourselves....re taxes, tariffs, and the greedy corps'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'china will fall'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I doubt that.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'What is putting the US economy at risk are wars.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'USA is far closer to falling than the US.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Ranrr, you're mostly right...'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'yeah...but we had to go'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon peers intently at HomerSimpson.
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'than China I mean.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'but is huge hole in pocket'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I'll be honest. Part of what's killing us is the whole 'too big to fail' concept.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'your debts are skyrocketing. Can only go three ways; Bankrupcy, war, or both.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'That and the idiocy of modern patent law.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Can be solved by hyperinflation as well.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'that's not a solution.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'WW2 was good for the economy because it meant FDR stopped messing around with ideas and then abandoning them for a new one six months later.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'that's a prolonging of the inevitable.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'still gonna have to work towards that 'one world' concept though'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we can take 50 yrs or 200'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Meh.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'One world government is an interesting pipe dream.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i know'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'is why i said might take 200 yrs'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'But unlikely to happen without a major war.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'the fact is every country affects the others'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'on the other hand, is a major war unlikely? :P'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Personally, I prefer multiple countries.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'all the others in time'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Allows different ideas to compete.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'More diversity to the meme pool.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'if the US economy crashes completely, then what? The strongest military force in the world in debt. Kinda shaky situation. :P'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Much would be solved by cutting out a lot of unnecessary bureaucracy.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Also.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'esp if someone like that alaskan chick wins the election.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nods homer....said before....love to see them collect'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'We couldn't win against China if we went to war with them using only conventional weapons.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'why don't they hit us with a $10 per person tax applied directly to the debt'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'We couldn't even break even.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kamdble ducks defensively.
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'but then again, you have h-bombs ;)'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'no idea re calcs....'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: '10$ wouldn't even make a dent in the debt'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'go for 50 yrs or whatever'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'not in one year'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Kamdble: for the same reason pissing into an open sink doesn't fill it.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: '3, 4 billion is peanuts next to the debt.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'First, you need to remove te deficit.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'plus the debt is bigger than 10 bucks per yank.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Simplest way is to stop all wars.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Which wars?'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'All.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'No combat troops in Iraq.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Pulling out of Afghanistan.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Remove all spending on military. '
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'That's remarkably retarded.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'on the other hand, you'd have a lot of unemployment without wars.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm sure Ranrr has a way to make that happen right now.  His mom must be very proud.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Disband all troops.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Or most.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Ranrr, that's a quick way to screw the economy sideways with a freight train.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'wait wait wait'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Why?'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i said wld take time'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'what's current debt?'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'In the trillions.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'yes'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Your $10/person/year would not even cover interest.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'guess i'll get it'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'iaw'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Ranrr: because of how many jobs right now supporting the US economy are military contracts.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You don't need a military to have a working economy.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'No, but our economy is built on a working military.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, but they are only costs, they dont do anyting useful.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'that's not how it works.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'If you kick out support pillars without putting new ones in, its your own damn fault when the building falls on you.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'but yes, in the long run, you'd be better off NOT building your economy on the military :P'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'In the long run, I agree.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, you have to do it step by step. But it can be done.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Ranrr: Yes, but that being said, disbanding the military completely is still retarded.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And it would solve a lot of problems, including, but not limited to, the economy.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'I would rofl if Canada invaded the US :D'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, I agree. Some troops are needed.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I would too.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Just keep them on US soil.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'At this point?'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'That would be foolish.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'We have military bases on the land of all our allies.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'And those actually do a lot to maintain foreign goodwill.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'They don't house combat troops.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nods...def take a lot longer than 50 yrs'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'only 154bil over ten years'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'er, 50 yrs'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Like it or not, we're intertwined with much of the world, and that primary method is via military presence.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The US is in essentially the same position as Greece'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Modern Greece, or some other era?'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'modern'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nods'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'most countries are screwed'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '-d'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'the only difference is that no EU can come and pull you guys by the ear.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'or in third world countries'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'Sweden is going strong :):)'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Admittedly there are some differences: (1) The US can print the money its debt is denominated in, (2) USD is the effective reserve currency, meaning a lot of the inflation cost is exported'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'better'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we back you guys up'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Tinada: 2 is, well, shaky.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '*coughlibyacough*'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and (3) Greece has actually made some real cuts in its deficit..'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: '1 is, well, stupid.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'agreed re greece'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Kamdble: that's largely France.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i know who's pushing'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'still....not letting you play a big game without your quarterback'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Sadly, a lot of our foreign influence is tied up in Israel, which Obama seems to be hamstringing.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'you as in europe'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i think israel is in the wrong'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I can tell you this.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'you'd think the jewish people would understand what a land grab is'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'There is no modern country that is NOT built upon conquest.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'agreed mor'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'It's only a matter of how long ago it was.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nodnod'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'The Palestinians stole it from previous people, who stole it from previous people, who eventually stole it from the original Israelites, who themselves stole it.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nods'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'They're no more in the wrong than anyone else.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'yeah...but that was in the ancient world'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Really?'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'not modern times'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'The 1800s were the ancient world?'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and that was before hitler'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we don't mess around since hitler'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon pats Kamdble on his head.
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kamdble purrs contentedly.
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Because, you know, we've always stood in the way of genocide even when it was in our country's interest... Oh wait.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'ancient world'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'third worlds'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'The 80s?'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'You can try to excuse it all you want.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'great decade'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'what of the 80s'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Hmm. Let's see...'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'what of the 80s'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Idi Amin...'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Saddam Hussein...'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'oil'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and he didn't get it'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Yes, but my point is, in the former we did nothing.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'agreed....trickier sit'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and yet where still in same place'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we're'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'What we do not need to be is the world's police.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'What we do need to be is an ally to our allies.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i agree whole heartedly'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'that's why were in libya'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we're'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Israel is one of our staunchest allies right now.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i know'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Obama's idiocy notwithstanding.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'but that's why we can't get anything done'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i mean...i understand what you're saying'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Iraq was a largely pointless war that, as a war, was over quickly. As a police action, it stretched on far too long.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'the world has always been about conquest'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'There are two countries that I think are still willing to attempt conquest.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i just see us in the modern world doing that often'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Russia and China.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'it'll happen....least for a little while longer'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'russia is off the radar atm'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'less they have a terrorist sit with nukes'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Not off mine.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'they have no infrastructure'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Shows what you know.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'china indeed'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'now wld be perfect for china'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'troops tied up'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Russia is right now balanced.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'china, viet, unified korea'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Once they open up Siberia, where they don't quite have the infrastructure needed to exploit their resources...'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'North Korea can barely feed its army.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nods...oil will always help'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Not just oil.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'yes...but if china helped'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'China won't openly help NK.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Not on that level.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'china, viet, korea....as a group'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'China's sattelite states have all gone pretty independant.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'why you think we've fought viet and korea'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'sure...i agree'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'but they don't have the military that china does'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Vietnam we actually won in the long run.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'or n.korea'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'not talking china conquests'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'N Korea is a paper tiger at this point.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'No, what worries me about China is when, not if, when they strike north.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'well...say then...china sends a 25% of their army to backup n.korea'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Won't happen.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'then send anotehr 25% of their army into viet'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Won't happen.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'You're missing the mindset here.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'having world power?'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'It's the mandate of heaven.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'don't go there'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'This is how China thinks.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'follow but don't'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'expand'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'each dynasty (of which communism is merely a new one) has ruled because they are perceived to have the mandate of heaven.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'And because they don't commit themselves to a fight they won't win.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'ah...i follow that...and true imo til modern times'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'No, still true.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'fear rules china'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Still a strong current of belief in modern China.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'least the maj population'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i agree'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'same as in japan'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i misread that'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'If they put 25% of their army into a minor conflict, first off, you have to deal with the madman in N Korea.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Second off, the Viet Cong would reform. Against China.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'If China starts massing its army, I'd watch the Siberian border.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'the madman wld join forces for gains in the south'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Kamdble, China doesn't trust KJI.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'who wld?'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Especially not if he actually has anything approaching nuclear capability.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'He's better spent focusing on S Korea.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Than running a united Korea as far into the ground as he has N Korea'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'did mussolinni (butchered)....like/trust hitler?...or vice versa'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'gains/power'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Mussolini didn't trust Hitler.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'He feared Hitler.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'He told Hitler he wanted nothing to do with him. Hitler said they were close allies, and he was afraid to gainsay it.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'case cld be said for the same there'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i'm sure the koreans love their madman'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Nope.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i'm sure those in china love their's too'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Kamdble, N Korea is now a 4th world country.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'lots of people starving in the world'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'got plenty in the usa'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'A beggar in Darfur might be doing better than a normal citizen in N Korea.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and?'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'got to remember though....that they don't know anything else'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'China's standard of living is close to American/European.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'agree'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'And China does know about the rest of the world.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'N Korea will get there soon.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i know'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i said they don't know any other'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'n.korea will fall'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Also not true.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Anyways.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'under his son'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I should attempt sleep.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nice chat'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'be good...or good at it'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'China is buying up resources all over South America, loaned Venezuela $32 billion in exchange for 15 years of oil supplies, increasing each year as production increases, and at a $10 per barrel reduction on market price.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'China has a $3 trillion war chest to invest in resource purchases all over the world.'
T3/r3/2011-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the republicans of the USA are glad to contribute to the China superiority in exchange for taxcuts and a 14.3 trillion debt'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhezabyl: 'Well, it depends, I've been clean for about 6 yrs from codeine, on a methadone regimen.  But I still know abusers, and I've heard no problems with them being choppable'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'with all of the cocaine coming from south america, (so they say, is it a good idea to station so much import/export in mexico that isn't checked at the border?  consider a train from walmart (which moved from detroit for its main distribution point) coming from mexico, and a select-group of administrative people who are thought to be beyond the grasp of drugs in that country, which battle the government itself - do you think this shipment is without drug's?  or one of the 80,000 crate's arriving from asia in a day, is it beyond them to include a few kilogram's of heroine at the entry points which allow illegal chemically treated produce (according to your government) onto the market?'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then the DEA from america sets up a office in ottawa, while the cocaine and heroine probably most of the time come through it's own south AND north border'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'are they a proven system?'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sathre: 'And you don't believe it's intentionally coming through?'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'those damn canadian's cause marijuana cigarettes to be smuggled sometime's, which can be grown by americfan's too!  those bastards, lets mon itor them for receiving our cocaine and heroine'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but it's not really ours, it comes from somewhere else'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can believe alot of things, alot of things seem possible, but it's good to know the reality of the matter that define's law in your country'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no harm in debating the questionable'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they're that high up, it's not like anybody can arrest the cops that do the arresting'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'tbh, i never seen the legitimacy of most people's supplier's who call themselves criminal's, as actually not being the cops in disguise'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most gang's seem to have origin's from one government or another, if they're met with any degree of defense'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'success*'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'full time navy seal gone pentacostal minister of cocaine, unable to be seen in the shadows is he, but he has friends in the killing business'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'questionable?  nah'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'civilian operation's'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'social engineering maybe'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the Richard Nixon administration organized and inserted secret operatives in Chile, in order to quickly destabilize Allendes government.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chile'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'something like this is what i assume the majority of 'criminals' that are actually met with success in this nation, are actually a part of'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Simultaneously, opposition media, politicians, business guilds and other organizations helped to accelerate a campaign of domestic political and economical destabilization, some of which was helped by the United States.'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'history always repeats itself it seems'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'domestic yeah?  wow, warfare on the civilian's and through the civilian's, sound similar to the pecking order?'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Imp Druzil listens to some ice cube
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'oo, so coool'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stick it Inicus: 'Hey Druzil, I have a question'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what?'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stick it Inicus: 'Do elected officials in a representative democracy act in the best interests of their constituents?'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not a political science person, but judging from the 'part of the UN obligation to operate in its interests regardless of your own' and by the 'politician's job is to prevent bloodshed' assumption, i'd assume that any democracy that gets its way through bloodshed as a beginning and end isn't much of a democracy at all, if that blood didn't have to be shed'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that al jazeera article regarding mexico's attention paid to american media which glorifies drug cartel's and organized crime is an interesting example, both on the civilian ops point and on the democracy point'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and like that old addage goes, 'power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely''
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why does there have to be a head honcho in any land?  britain has a prime minister and a monarchy which exercises power over several british nation's, each of which has a prime minister or a head honcho - how come it's not a group of people with an equal amount of abilities and say in a matter, each individually elected by their population?'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is that one person the land itself?  does one person's view's reflect 200 million sets of eyes?'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't think it does'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crixus: 'shouldnt but they do'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'because rule by committee doesn't actually work'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'when was the last time it was actually tried?'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=death+by+committee'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'read that chile webpage, they seem to move more towards rule by committee than rule by dictator'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's tried pretty often'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there is a whole lot of ground between rule by committee and rule by dictator'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so "move more toward" is pretty vague'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what i understood from looking over the chile wiki, is chile has 32 appointed deputies, who have a limited 4-8 year term, who monitor the action's and have the ability to dethrone one of maybe 8-12 senators (i think), who have no-permanant member's and who have a limited 4-8 year term - who are the overseeing council of the president and have the ability to also dethrone him or her if they see reason to, and that president has also, a limited 4 year term (i think 4 is maximum, but it may be 8)'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'which, maybe you can see is different from how things operate in canada or america'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not really'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'congress can dethrone the president'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but what's the limits on their term's, and what's the limits on their monitoring deputies?'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '6 year terms in senate, 2 year terms in house, 4 year term for pres'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '1/3 of senate up for election every 2 years, so always ability to be fresh'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it could be similar i think, but i also think that a system that is constantly rejuvenated with fresh members is less likely to become corrupted if the selection processes aren't rigged'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it take's away that absolute power variable from being as widely exploitable, as long as the system is followed correctly'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'Hain't we got all the fools in town on our side?  And hain't that a big enough majority in any town? -- Mark Twain, "Huckleberry Finn"'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'despite what many claim, there is no absolute power variable in the US'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'eventually, those buying the politicians realise that the populace are able to be swayed by the news media, and then congress may be bought'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Harper example, 4 year term limit?  2006, 7, 8, 9, 10.. 11, ..'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'second term's and things like that, i guess, but how can so many people be unhappy with that person there and they remain there?'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '99.9 million of the 200 million eye's they see for are against them, but the majority win's, especially with a 3rd factor of 50 million eye's that see both way's'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'druzil, they remain there because the question asked by the poll that resulted in "how can so many people be unhappy" asked the wrong question'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the Sarah Palin "rewrite" of Paul Revere's ride indicates she is a previously-pretty "ignorant-housewife" -- and does not seem to be presidential material -- but looking at prior Presidents (GW Bush, R Reagan), perhaps she is as "presidential material" as prior incompetents (GW Bush)'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's a much different question of "are you happy with how xx is doing" vs "would you vote for yy instead of xx"'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he wants to battle crime, with the philanthropical view of more prison's and labour camp's within them (consider history briefly) for cheap stock market fluctuation's, while inventing new crime's to convict people for and letting his cocaine headed drunk driving conservative husband get away with a toronto lawyer connection in edmonton, doing 100 mph through a school zone which would land anybody else in jail for 7 years or so'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: '"We've sunk this low before" is a terrible bar to set - especially for somebody you're putting in position of such influence.'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'never mind addressing the social factor's that led the criminals to the point's they're at, wide-minded person you are'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just lock up the end product and increase your stock quota, it's that simple'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'if Doctor who changed history so that "Sarah Palin" were president instead of "GW Bush", conjecture whether the USA is likely to be in far better shape than is currently'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'wait, your prime minister has a husband?'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nah, the guy who had the bottomless resourceful lawyer from toronto, living in edmonton, was married to a conservative female politician from alberta'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i was thinking in term's of their 'congregation''
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'GW Bush was an incompetent disaster that heavily damaged the USA'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Bill Clinton was too.  Let's royally screw over the Democrats and the Republicans in 2012 and make Ralph Nader a 2-term president.'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, there's the people you're allowing to change the criminal code and reroute your money into building more prison's, notice how they don't send their own members there?'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stick it Inicus: 'Did I miss the debate about representative democracy?'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hmm, developing children, a b c as easy as 1 2 3, lets play some nintendo grand theft auto and get them used to extortion, prostitution, car theft, money laundering and drug dealing'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Ralph Nader is a closet supporter of the republicans'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'oh, that's playstation!  jes'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the media isn't a viable factor in the end product, and thus needs to be monitored from australia, america, britain and the netherlands'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'just like 2012 candidates started campaigning way back in 2009, the fact that the US dollar is going to tank catastrophically (some are even saying later in 2011) means you should start fomenting the rebellion now.'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nice failure to address a end-result multi-billion dollar tax expenditure prison system with priority of cause and effect, bravo - failure'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i wonder if africa and the middle east were always dotted by so many desert's, but i seen a process by which they could possibly be arrived at'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i wonder how it is that the geologists behind the ability of the corporation's to extract their funding from the soil, didn't see a similar possibility'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'technically the Sahara isn't a desert.  It gets as much rain as the Amazon Rainforests.'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's all i'm trying to discuss, problem's that don't seem to be seriously addressed, but which result in the inmate population in prison's among other things, which the administration like's to make more of than prevent'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'also, man has no ability to create deserts.  That occurs because the Earth's wobble changes the angle that sunlight reaches the ground.'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Druzil, those "buying" the elections through the media are likely of the opinion that the "media is a *viable* factor in the end product"'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stick it Inicus: 'Are there any obvious examples from a recent election of interest groups spending money on politicians and actually having legislation written specifically for the interest group?'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that info usually doesn't come out until after the fact, such as with ACORN and the current administration.'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stick it Inicus: 'Acorn?'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stick it Inicus: 'I'm just trying to find examples within the past 20 years or so of an interest group having more say in a politicians decision than the people'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they are the ones that got busted trying to help a pimp file taxes on his child prostitutes.'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stick it Inicus: 'lolwut'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the continued taxcuts for the rich are an example of special interest groups influencing the republicans'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Inicus, you live in the states?'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stick it Inicus: 'Yeah Dokkar'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and you don't know who ACORN was?'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Not everyone does, Dokkar.'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stick it Inicus: 'I don't follow politics'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stick it Inicus: 'Or watch the news'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'd say more people in the US don't know who they are than do know'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that explains it, then.  It was about as big a story as Lewinsky.'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i remember erading about, as an example, 300,000 dollars from a nuclear industry which invested in obama's campaign election - and which was receiving support from the administration after - i'm not sure if they change any legislation, but thing's like happened in japan might end up going as unconsidered possible within your own border's than they might otherwise have'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the IRS requires criminals to file taxes, and those criminals may require legal advice on how to file the taxes properly without self-incrimination'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no it wasn't'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'well, then, Williegate at least'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and harper - there's tax cuts for big corporation's, while the little family businesses don't get those tax cut's, and those big businesses (like target now bought out zellers) try and erase all of those little businesses, with the assistance of the dollars they didn't pay in taxes'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stick it Inicus: 'Williegate? =P'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and acorn isn't even slightly related to inicus's query'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the bill the oil industry might have paid in taxes would probably pay for 10,000x as much canadian coast guard expenses as the canadian government spends on their sea-operation's, but which the tax payer pay's for and the corporation that reaps the rewards twice, doesn't'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Congressman Wiener showed pictures of his willie to cute college women on Twitter/Facebook.'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stick it Inicus: 'Oh, yeah.  Mr. Weiner's weiner.'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'some suspect that Weinertweet was obviously a ploy to divert media attention from something else, but what'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's quite a few example's of possible implication's of corruption and corrupt practices resulting in more leniant social policies towards them, but not the society in which they operate'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stick it Inicus: 'But yeah, how does ACORN relate to funding affecting a politicians choices?'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you can see them, then why are they?  doesn't hurt to wonder instead of taking somebody's word for it'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they funded a lot of the democratic races in 2008, and then got a bunch of stuff in return for it.'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they probably would've gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for those meddling kids...'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stick it Inicus: 'I found info on Obama's campaign hiring an ACORN executive during the primaries, but dropped them after that'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stick it Inicus: 'What did they get in return?'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'tax breaks, funding for their various institutions, etc.'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'and the rich that prospered from the "S&L collapse" are likely supporting the republicans, waiting for more "opportunities"'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'what they got wasn't really noteworthy, but the way they were throwing money around for elections coupled with the post-election sting revealing the child-porn stuff turned all of Washington against them.'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stick it Inicus: 'I'm more looking for something that both parties benefit from'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'a nonprofit got tax breaks?'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'They've got to be crooked if they're not paying taxes'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'like I said, what they were getting wasn't the issue.'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but it is when you bring them up in response to someone asking for a pay-to-pwn government'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'These people disgust me. They want to make it all about race when it's really all about keeping hardworkign whites down.'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'in fact, nobody would've really cared about anything ACORN was doing except that they got linked to undesirable stuff like tax evasion and kiddie porn.'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stick it Inicus: 'Right, I understand it was messed up what they did... but it's just not what I'm looking for'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Jwexebelle - some of the rich are not paying taxes -- GE even received monies from the government - negative taxes'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'receiving money from the government is not negative taxes...GE pays quite a bit in taxes'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'yes it was.  Congress doesn't do shit without someone getting a prearranged promise beforehand.'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'so, really, what ACORN was getting wasn't a bucketload of money or a lighter tax bill, it was a promise to keep them on the rolls instead of looking at that line item for trimming.'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stick it Inicus: 'How about something a little less in depth =P'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and in Washington, one's word doesn't go as far as one's pocketbook.'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Abelinc,  the Daily Show Jon Stewart did a report that GE was paying negative taxes'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh, the daily show did a report...sorry, my bad'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Stick it Inicus smirks at your saying. 
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they still do.  And isn't their former CEO or something now a big name in DoE or somesuch?'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a spoonful of comedy makes the horrid news more palatable'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and less accurate...'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the Daily Show is a lot more accurate than Fox news'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and yet still wrong :P'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'sucks to be an American, then, more people watch an obviously-republican-biased network than all other networks combined.'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'And you're all really fat.'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'since so many people watch Fox News, apparently mostly we're dumber than a bag of rocks.'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'Like circus fat.'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that'd include you, jexe }:>'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'Not at all. Not part of "real America"'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the Daily Show provides a democratic counterbalance'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'naw, she's Japanese.  Possession is 9/10s of the law, after all.'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'Thus able to bypass the hideous chubroll future that was my birthright'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, sumo are in great shape'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'thought you were moving back around now'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'Y'all should chill out on immigrants though. Without them there's going to be nobody anyone would willingly have sex with left out there.'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'In America now. It's fucking amazing here. Fat people just walking around like they're people.'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'see, so that makes you an american, in america...possession'n'all :-)'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'Naw, not an American resident.'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'residing in america pretty much means american resident :P'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the Dr Oz Show explained "vanity sizing" today (Tuesday)'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'so you're one of them illegals, huh?'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'Really, couldn't be. Unless I will willing to live as a celibate? These people make my cock weep angry tears of softness.'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'On vacation =/= not residing.'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'did you learn a lot, xyliz?'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'Next year, Thailand.'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'Food is kinda good though.'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'next year is after residence'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, jexe, that's the problem'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'But the food is great in Thailand and no fatties.'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'Y'all need to just walk more. And stop eating whole pizzas.'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'Also, stop wearing soiled tshirts in public.'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'that actual waist size of "size 8" seems to be a lot bigger these days than in the 1960s'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but they do that in thailand!'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they don't really have a choice there'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'But they're hot, they get a pass on that. Still, most of them seem to dress better than people here.'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'those are just the age-of-majority hookers, real Thai are just as fugly as real Americans (the bigots would say fuglier what with the slanty eyes)'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'not finding a particular physical trait attractive is not bigotry.'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, only if you have something you want to use it for...not because of Lasher's note'
T3/r3/2011-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'mis'
T3/r3/2011-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'apparently oral sex may be a cause of increased incidence of oral cancer'
T3/r3/2011-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) BobTheGreat: ''
T3/r3/2011-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'oral sex with me decrses incidence of oral cancer'
T3/r3/2011-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'that may be bacause dying from worse diseases received from Drakoth is faster than oral cancer'
T3/r3/2011-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Drakoth nicely asks Xyliz to be more quiet.
T3/r3/2011-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Arabs dislike oral sex -- viewed as unhygienic'
T3/r3/2011-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'lol, a boobie comes out on Prime Time TV and everyone goes bananas, but when a suicide malfunction occurs nobody blinks'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nice, you can make a suppliment for about $2 of ingredients, and sell it for $50....thanks to orrin hatch, R-Utah, gotta love america!'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and it doesnt have to do anything, except make money :)'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do you figure things like those q-ray bracelet's actually do anything?'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'family member said it helped them out, it seemed strange to me since it's only a piece of metal - granted some people are allergic to gold and silver earrings and things like that, but those're blocking a circulatory path i think, on more tender skin than the outside flesh'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is metal from the space craft that crashed in new mexico in the 40s.......*peer*'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it'd be interesting if just by being in contact with something you could actually feel some benefit'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Almost 50% of all suppliment companies are located in utah because of favorable laws, again thanks to orrin hatch and his cronies. :p'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i never seen it on mythbuster's, which is strange cause it was advertised as a charm that can relieve pain using some kind of unanimous structure non-personalized to a person, but i think they had to wear it in the same place, so if there was a structure it maybe is formed after they start wearing it'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do you know how they operate, if they do operate?'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'two US pilots on speed killed 4 canadians on the ground in a friendly fire incident....charges were dropped because the legal drug was blamed.'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it wasn't me, it was the alcohol'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how come they never fall for that when i try it?'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Imp Druzil sighs.
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'your not important enough :p'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i watch people fall for that from others alot'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'important law-breaking heroes'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'logic of logic's'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Imp Druzil goes to fight for what he wants you to believe in, namely him
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so what do you think about the q-ray?'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'is that a new space warp engine ?'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how come it's not on mythbusters with the 20 tonne battering ram shoe-knocker, or the fart tests?'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you'd think those wise physicists would be able to recite the reality or absence thereof of the advertisements played on their televisions for a decade'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '..to abolish slavery in all of its forms.. mandatory military service for all participating nation's, and if you don't provide the bodies mandatorily you will have them provided militantly'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is it just me or does the UN agreement i read about on that slavery page not make very much sense at all?'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe the wiki was wrong'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 100=10 Hesperus: 'when you read international agreements, you have to realise that not all language is binding.  Some clauses in international agreements are mainly 'aspirational'.'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and who's the general that decide's that since there's no trade from that place allowed anyway's, they can't take some excess ford and material's from some other place's and create an evacuation point for people who don't want to be over in that place - and then the one's left behind, maybe mostly militant can meet that flash of nuclear glory that all nation's have hidden in their enclaves'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nah, we rather send people to die and let them brew over it, or preserve something?  what is their reasoning exactly?'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that always made me wonder, they talk about having these bomb's around but nobody seems to use them, but the one with the most is a fearsome person who tells the other's what to do, even if the others have enough to wipe the one with the most off the map'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 100=10 Hesperus: 'Technically, no general decides it.  Treaty interpretation is governed by the vienna convention on the law of treaties, which states in article 32 (if i remember correctly) that treaties should be interpreted according to its ordinary meaning in light of its context and purpose.'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 100=10 Hesperus: 'Therefore, if a treaty has anything that connotes signatories 'shall', it is binding...if it only connotes signatories 'will', it is non binding.'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and there's law's in warfare, that every side seems to break repeatedly, but they shy away from thing's like chemical and biological warfare in their warfare, while having legal reasons to not be punished for their other violation's, or unspoken histories'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's immoral to not stand around like a drone and be not shot'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or what is it?  they say they can make a remote control robot to crawl on the surface of a planet a few hundred thousand mile's away'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so they can't remotely clear a path for soldiers to travel?'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they have a satellite map of the entire world to a 30 metre publicly available database, sans the north and south poles'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's alot of thing's that they maybe aren't using, or just too lazy too, or what is their reason?'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 100=10 Hesperus: 'as E.H. Carr writes, morality is the product of power.'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we live in a very moral world today, ..., compared to maybe 500 years ago?'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i wasn't there so i don't know'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 100=10 Hesperus: 'not really true.  As Morgenthau wrote (in 1966): The crude methods of personal combat have been replaced by the refined instruments of social, commercial, and professional competition. The struggle for power is being fought not with deadly weapons but with competitive examinations, with competition for social distinctions...with competition for the possession of money...'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'whoever introduced the concept of morality into warfare?'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'fair play?'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's the reward's for both side's and what are they doing to 'earn' them?'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is it pretty moral to end an i such as yourself ?  how would you be if you weren't?  think of how morale your killer is'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hypothetically this all is, i mean, like the thousands of movie's and book's out there - this here morality doesn't make very much sense '
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 100=10 Hesperus: 'as mentioned earlier, morality is the product of power.  It is something that is defined by those with power in society, and for this reason, the concept of morality is different in different societies.'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 100=10 Hesperus: 'Therefore, in one society, my killer would be moral killing me, and in another society, that same killer would be immoral.'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so is it wise to make many people in power, or one people in power?'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you're moving towards eventual progress'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 100=10 Hesperus: 'according to Aristotle, the best and worst form of government would be to have a single person in power, because if that person is 'just' assuming that 'just' can be defined, then those under his power would be ruled by justice.  On the other hand, if that person is a tyrant, then the people are screwed.'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yep, and after that one passes away, the people look for a new one, and that is in the hands of other one's who chose the last one maybe, or their replacements'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 100=10 Hesperus: 'Therefore, Aristotle says that a democracy is better, because it is the best of the worst forms of government.'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they say that something like 60-80% of the world's biodiversity as recorded to exist by biologists and other people like, since maybe 1850, has went extinct since then'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'The period since the emergence of humans has displayed an ongoing biodiversity reduction and an accompanying loss of genetic diversity. Named the Holocene extinction, the reduction is caused primarily by human impacts, particularly habitat destruction. Biodiversity's impact on human health is a major international issue.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodiversity'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe human system's like natural systems need to be diverse in order to not bore themselves to death?'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 100=10 Hesperus: 'human systems are simple. humans are just like dogs, throw them a big enough bone and they'll follow you, beat them enough and they will cower, beat them too much and they will bite you.'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'interesting idea, there is a bible verse where the king of babylon (i think) is turned into a herd of cattle for 100 years, in chronicles or king's, (iirc), whether it's each day of that year being 1000 human year's or otherwise in their meaning, i think it's a normal 100 years but i'm not sure - it would be interesting if some point in time human being's were bred to become animal's like that, stories like the minotaur and things like that'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cow's are intelligent, regardless of what the zoologist says why they turn a certain way across the world at certain time's of the day due to electromagnetic fields, which the cow failed several tests of and finally, maybe through feeling the charge determined that if it followed it, it would be allowed out of the zoologists testing site'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'which is sort of like beating the dog not too much i guess'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's a morbid consideration, but so are alot of consideration's'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if toy poodles were bred for survival, how the hell would that work out if they didn't have a human shield preventing them being eaten by many larger animals?'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most animal's seem to have intelligence, maybe it's a common intelligence every living creature share's whatever it's choices are'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why would a zoologist go out to prove that the animal's he studies are really mechanical robot's of nature and have no inherent knowledge, in light of this alternate consideration he wants to believe that'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and my consideration seems alot more likely than his'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 100=10 Hesperus: 'the toy poodles will depend on some other creature to be a shield.'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not very much of a phd holder imo'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but what will happen, is that guy's consideration will be bronzed into the doctrine of bovine science, and the alternate consideration will be forgotten, as the calves are trained like the bull in the cage (which is alot stubborner) to follow the electromagnetic signals'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and it will appear real to the people doing the training, and they will eventually have the robot that wasn't a robot '
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'because the instincts of the cow's will become forgotten, maybe some will deviate, but those some may be bred out of the rest'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 100=10 Hesperus: 'the instincts of the cow are not technically bred out in the case, the cows simply will realise that it is not in their best interest to fight back.'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it might seem like a longshot, but so are alot of the claim's i see scientists make when there seems to be alternative's that they don't even consider when shown to be possible'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but it's a subtle change, that wasn't there before, enslaving the animals without knowing they're enslaved, altering nature itself over time into the image of the man who wants easy happy meals'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 100=10 Hesperus: 'and man does so in pursuit of his own interest.'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and then the little poodle in the human progress has the last laugh as the little human enslaves the big human and all of the world's physical law's are defied by invention's like the electromagnetic calves'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'where did all of its predator's go anyways?  they don't eat dogs in very many places now'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or natural laws and instincts of survival'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'those eskimo's were interesting people, why would they move so far north?'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm guessing it had to do with how much they hated the people they left behind, but that might be a long shot'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I think it's because it got so got with the clothes they were wearing.'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'got so hot'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'tough people anyways'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or maybe they were sent there a long time ago by a long-dead monarch to explore, got lost and then passed on their survival skills to their children, which kept on wandering'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'or maybe $deity put them there'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nah, otherwise they wouldn't be wearing dead animal pelts to stay warm, like polar bears'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'born like zeus, or was that hercules, full groan from the mouth of hera'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'equipped like the t-1000 in the terminator movies on how to be guided'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nah'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's that movie where that persian guy calls himself the god of gods?'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe that 1000 it was'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or 500'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'god's just a word, with a bunch of different meaning's to different people'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'all words are just words'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and it is dog backwards, for the dog is worthy of the crumb which falleth from the table, says somebody of a woman (hence bitch, in female reverence by the male's)'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'was the term before the story, or the other way around?'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'which term, which story?'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bitch and the gospel verse'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i look for origins'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Of what?'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'of things'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Ah. I look for stuff, and slim jims.'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what was in the author's mind when he wrote this, ..'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sometimes thingamabobs.'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how do you know without knowing?  i could be thinking about a piece of shit and reciting the rape of lucrece'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Philisophy 101'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just an example, do you know what goes on behind the author of the word's eyes, which may be post-mortem now?'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Ask $deity?'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i could be reciting euler and wondering why a circle can't be measured properly with mathematics too'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why do you think it is that people won't eat a dead animal that they or some other person didn't kill, not even if it was recently slaughtered by another animal?'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they'll poke it with a stick or kick it or feed it to somebody elses animal, but they typically won't eat it themself'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'supermarket's are similar since all of that food isn't produced locally and you really don't know what killed those animals you eat, or grew that grain you consume'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they import banana's from country's where they spray chemicals outlawed on any consumed produce in the importing countries'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'for instance'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: '-'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, i hate monopoly, ti's fine as a bored game but in the world it doesn't pan out very well'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and they say that the deer around here are contaminated with all kinds of strange viruses and things that didn't exist before farming practices were introduced in the last 50 years or so'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so even if i went out poaching for my supper, i'd be eating some strange meat that something else killed'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and it is positive, they even report on the news sometime's about the immigration officer's importing produce that contains illegal substrate's and was produced through illegal growing techniques'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but they still make it on the shelves'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'positively negative i guess, sort of like alcohol made me do it, which may be either way depending upon the lawyer'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'when did debate turn into the rant channel?'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, Exxon has found 2 new large oil fields, and a huge natural gas field in the gulf of mexico.  About 2 billion barrels of new oil, and unknown amounts of natural gas,'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a TAC documentary snippet is indicating that British Admirals used to extort jewelled gifts from Maharajas'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Olympus: 'hello its the pudding!'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Olympus: 'religion should no longer be in schools at all. Except certain cases where the school is basically made for religion.'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nah, teaching about religions definitely should be in most schools'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'teaching != indoctrinating'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'religion in various forms is integral to history'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'religion is the evil bane of societies'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Olympus: 'i understand that, but i mean that there should be no bible period or something.'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, "there should be no bible or something"...yes, that sounds like a well-thought-out statement'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'part of a wise school curiculum:  warning children of the evils of religion'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'can't warn without teaching'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'wrong, Abelinc'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not wrong in the least, xyliz'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'don't do it because I say so doesn't work past age 7'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'knowledge is the way to be armed'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Olympus: 'yes no period where bible is read. I (being an atheist) firmly believe in this.'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oladon: 'Why? What do you fear?'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so why does your religious belief trump everyone else's?'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'd say more like 5, abe.'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I was being generous :-)'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Super Stardust HD is a damn fun game....like astroids on steroids.'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'some atheists are grouping yogether to form atheistic churches -- unsure whether atheist churches are "religions"'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Olympus: 'i dont fear religion, i just dont believe in it. Im informed. That's all.'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'an "informed" atheist is able to refute theistic religions (hypothetically) '
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'an "informed agnostic" as a wannabe oxymoron'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'there was somebody german-looking on the Stephen Colbert Report this week enthusing about 30000 year old ancient paintings'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, I painted them.'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the old german geezer said "those extremely intelligent ancient folk likely also invented God" - what a dumbkoff, unless that was a smart-alec attempt to annoy theists atheists and antitheist in a single one-liner'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the donkey god was first, but those dumb early humans mistook the donkey as the ride of the person walking next to it, and thus worshipped God, instead of the donkey god. :('
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Tizgoh, that was not sufficiently logical'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no one ever said the donkey was logical.'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'there is no evidence to support that god rode a donkey'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'jesus did....:p'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'when jesus rode an ass, Mary Magdalenew?), there were already plenty of false gods, and jesus was a fiction'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"Jesus rode an ass" may be an example of symbolic bible porn'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'are Kobolds known to be deeply-religious law-abiding monsters '
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the answer is likely "no!, Kobolds are neiher deeply-religious nor law-abiding" -- then wtf is an an area named "Kobaloi" intended to do -- perhaps annoy theists atheists and anttheists in a single area title'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Olympus: 'whats with the constant religion talk?'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the old german geezer said: "extremely intelligent ancient folk invented God" (loosely paraphrased)'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Olympus: 'here we go again.'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'bettr clean that up so as to increase the oomph'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"extremely wise intelligent ancient folk invented God"'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We are the 2nd evolution of humans.'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Olympus: 'nah.... No need.'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'have any of you seen what the Anthony Wiener replica underwear is going for on ebay?'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Dokkar, you selling those replicas'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, one of the Fox News showfriends put them up for laughs.'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'super 8 is one of those movies where you never actually see the alien or monster.'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Fat people should never get on mechanical bulls, or live ones for that matter.'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'Fat people just should not. You need not go farther.'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how many billion dollar robot's does it take to change a lightbulb when the light's go out, if they're missing a lightbulb_changing subroutine?'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, I've seen pictures of Lasher so he must be a guy.'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'mix'
T3/r3/2011-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'remix'
T3/r3/2011-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Premise: The philosphy of giants is built upon the folklore of the little people.'
T3/r3/2011-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'So, who wants to comb through 24,199 pages of Sarah Palin's emails that are getting released in 20 minutes?'
T3/r3/2011-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'You know you want to'
T3/r3/2011-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you couldn't pay me enough :P'
T3/r3/2011-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Though they're getting released in paper form only, so you'd have 85 boxes to sort through.'
T3/r3/2011-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'great, my animals can always use more shredded paper for bedding'
T3/r3/2011-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Olympus: 'over two shakes is not playing!'
T3/r3/2011-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Dr Phil says somebody working 20 hours part-time at minimum wage earns $146 per week -- a single trip to the emergency-room and they are broke -- the USA is wonderful (as a hell?)'
T3/r3/2011-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GaNjA: 'Medicade and Medicare'
T3/r3/2011-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GaNjA: 'I love my country!'
T3/r3/2011-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'republican supporters are likely the wannabe descendents of those that caused the genocides of the irish potato famine'
T3/r3/2011-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'amusing darkcomedy show yesterday "Famine and Shipwreck" - the overacting was slightly irking - no laughtrack either'
T3/r3/2011-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'The Daily Show is said to be viewed by one in five Americans'
T3/r3/2011-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'The Daily Show received flack from Canadian Alberta CTV news: Jon Stewart on June 09 2011 declared that Canadians were to be viewed as enemies since Canada supplied a lot of the oil used by the USA'
T3/r3/2011-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the Newt Gingrich election staff quit "en mass" -- the Newt Gingrich presidential campaign is "toast" -- already half a million dollars in debt and Newt's spouse was/is described as "overbearing"'
T3/r3/2011-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Global Currents "hijacked future" - a scare documentary on food and the future scarcity thereof'
T3/r3/2011-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PastamanT: 'hehe. do they provide statistics?'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it seems that man-on-man car accidents are rarer than female-on-female car accidents.  Ya'll must really hate each other...'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'maybe women are just worse drivers'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'could be.  When it's one of each involved, expected norms are observed.'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'Anyone from England on?'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stick it Inicus: '"Who from england"?'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'Just wondering if anybody from England is on?  (Is this like that Abbot & Costello skit? :) )'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stick it Inicus: 'No, type "who from england" =P'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'gotta who from uk as well ;-)'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'It's only like the sketch if you are litterally asking for a player named 'anybody' from England. :)'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seriously, Salvanas: '... and domains only show 3 ;)'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'Nah.  I'm looking specifically for England, not the entire UK.'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'right, but people specifically from england may still have from UK set'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seriously, Salvanas: 'well, if you type who from uk, you can see in more detail that they're from england :P'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'when I look, I see a few that are def from england'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seriously, Salvanas: 'and one from finland, and a ukrainian ;)'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rembrant: 'I should be studying right now . . .'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'harper took a government jet to the bruin's game in boston one night, after having dismantled a search and rescue operation in new brunswick for cost cutting, with his kid - claiming that he paid for the trip out of his own pocket along with the two tickets - but, they figure with the cost of fuel for the jet, insurance, maintenance, staff and the like there's no way that he would have paid for going to that game by his own means - what do you figure?'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): PastamanT rests in a corner and mutters 'spam' quietly to himself.
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'shut the fuck up'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PastamanT: 'A wonderful example of how cursing for no reason gets you nowhere!'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'anybody with a non-hollow head have any thoughts on the pension plan cuts, 14-11% full to part 3 year upgrade on positional school staff in saskatchewan, a new 500 million dollar stadium as a priority'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you're a wonderful example of why i'd never be seen associating with you in public'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'you care what the public thinks?'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no, but my invisible friends are offended by some personality type's'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PastamanT: 'poor chap. needs invisible friends. '
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'd choose nothing over you anyday'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PastamanT: 'poor chap.'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nah, chap is herpes - consult a doctor cause i never had herpes'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'You changed your name back.'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and if you're a saint every tag on every character in the bible gets their pretitle's swapped with their opposites'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I love it when you talk gibberish to me <3'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i like the way you pretend your head is hollow and expect other's to believe you'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you must think you're pretty smart to have to pretend you're so dumb'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: '....are you asking me out?'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or is that a 'i'm just pretending to be dumb to the dumb person pretending to be smart cause i'm smarter' joke?'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you need a popsicle stick up your ass and a few nights in sodom maybe, you're personality reflects a bunch of assfuckers'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Dude, this is fantastic. I don't even need to come up with a purpose to my comments, you're doing all the hard work for me!'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe with a invisible friend penis if you're female, represented as a dildo'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'an imaginary penis would be so unfulfilling, even moreso than a finger.'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I missed Crazy Druzil. Sane Druzil was ok, but just not the same.'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'is he off his meds?'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you should take some lesson's in fucking yourself, cause your judgement of sanity misses all the insane points that i point out you're definition of sanity performing'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I dunno, I mean, I've seen him crazier.'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'jackass'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you can't even argue a point, retardation?'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you have only opinions on who's speaking, racism?'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'half-ass joke, your dna should be filled with mutated protein collapses'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'you would rather we address fingerbanging ourselves?'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'enjoy, maybe you'll have two period's next month'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Druzil, the only thing my dna should be full of, is you. So get over here and lets add a hot tub to our gene pool.'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you'd be the last person on earth i'd even consider lusting over involuntarily, no matter how pretty that mask you pretend to wear may be to your version of my mind, or ugly as the contrarian declares'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Oh come on, I'm better in bed than Chuft at least. Give me some credit.'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Modi wipes his brow with obvious relief.
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'amusingly retarted statement, that.  If it's involuntary, there's no chance for consideration.  Which means it'd be entirely random as to whether you'd find him attractive.'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Hey now, don't knock it 'til you've tried it.'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'underdark is a maze'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no it's not.'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'oops mischan'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'they should have laser in real areas though'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they do, the mall where the lasertag game exists in my city really does exist. :P'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some people are just too fucking repulsive to be in the same general oxygen current with, and while i can't smell you from here, i'm sure if we were close enough together one of us would die from mental trauma from the sheer force of hatred that we share'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Dru. I don't hate you, I think you're adorable... like that homeless guy who you see on your way to work. You stop and you talk to him like you actually care, but really you just want to hear who's out to get him today.'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'your opinion means about as much as the retards who find your company valuable'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'd like for you all to gather into one area of the world so i can move to the other area'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'duh..'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Well, I'm glad I mean enough to you to be worth your hatred <3'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'druzli is winning!'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'is this the part of this movie where you two break out in a random mad mushy love scene?'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'No, that's later in his parent's base... er... I mean, his den of solitude.'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'nipple pinchy'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nah, it's when you see a flash scene of a all the different skinmasks that wear the saint's personality disorder'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and you die from an aneurism in your head from the frequency at which the billions of images are flying by'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'That sounds rough.'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '(in the movie)'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'no druz you fun dude'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Butterfly Effect for the win'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now you're talking chinese modie'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stick it Inicus: 'lolwut'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now you're talking arabic slut'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or what is that'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'See? What did I tell you guys, he's a riot.'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yea always a party'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'Riot was last on : Sat Jun 11 08:28:20 2011'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'like the teens fighitng outside my house last night'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'a real scrotal explosion.'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Druzil, you smilebacked ninny-horse of a billion feasting amoebas!'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and you, with a red worm in your skull with a hard shell'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'burroughing down into your prefontal cortex'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'You nearsighted virgin of economic razzamatazz!'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nah, i'm an abstract artist with funky phrases that you take to mean something it might not'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Or are you a funky artist with abstract phrases that mean you take something that it might not?'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you can take that how you see it'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think the homeless guy you pass on your way to your joke called a job is more valuable than a million of you'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Birds of a feather, eh?'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'fortunately they outnumber your kine and one day may snap out of their delirium and focus their hatred on who made them as they are'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: '... are you proclaiming an impending homeless revolution?'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no, i'm just pointing out that the only thing stopping you from being destroyed by a few billion people who have not very much hope in this world and see you're protection as a major contributor to that fact, is a very small percentage of the population'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'seriously, someone bring in costumes and props, I can get the room...we can do a movie.  Druzil and Cuthbert Make a Debate.'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'do it then'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'lets get it on'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hard fact's cause the poor are everywhere and you can't survive if you only breed with pigs just like you, cause your children will all be retards in a couple generations'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'how many kids you have?'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'same with yours Dru.'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Is that what your parents tell you to make you feel better, Dru? "It's ok son, soon everyone will be just like you"'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and before you say your kids won't end up retarded, just remember that they'll eventually interact with their peers.'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's what your protectors believe, diversity of population is like centralized media, local media is a stain on ubiquitous personality profiling mental programming through arcane media psychology'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you and your pig god's are as transparent as the shit i bleed, only my shit is useful and you're like a case of constipation'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Ok, man. In all seriousness, I've always wanted to know. What's your drug? I mean, I've seen you be completely sane, and completely nuts. There has to be drugs involved somewhere between the two.'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'ritalin, I bet.'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'your soul'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it just smells so rotting'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I bet you wear shirts with wolves howling at the moon. Come on man, fess up.'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 't-shirts with Che Gueverra more likely.'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't gamble for minority status, i just am a minority in my own right'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Hot Topic is da bomb, mang!'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Maybe. But I dunno, hes got the social skill deficincies that usually lend themselves to those "wolves howling at the moon" shirts.'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'thats pretty 1990'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you've got the judgemental attitude of somebody who needs to experience alot of agony'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'whitey culture is always behind the times, Modi.'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who know's what tomorrow may bring, maybe some day you'll learn your lessons'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'so druzli you post music comments a lot , whats are you fav movies'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'That's awfully judgemental of you.'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm an optimist sometime's'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'rarely, if your Aardwolf presence is any indication.'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'just look at all the ranting you do about the evils of Canada.'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'pull those reigns now cowboy'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Dru, you're like a party wrapped in an adventured balled up into a tinfoil hat. It's always a pleasure to see you disconnect from reality.'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you show the same traits of possession that several other people with a children of the damned (movie) like interface have displayed'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i wonder who your main head is, maybe you're involuntarily controlled by it in large quantities'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if i was disconnected with reality i wouldn't be communicating with it'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you're just full of such zealous psychology with your group of merry asshole's that i feel the obligation to fuck you right back in your skull'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'with your own imaginary penis'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I... but... damn, you caught me! I'm actually a sleeper agent working for the Nixon administration. Following his death, his stem cells were implanted into my spinal column. With the increasing pressure of his genetic memory, I find myself losing myself to the desire to give V signs and board helicopters. You've discovered my grand secret :('
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i have to go do something useful now, but sit on it'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'wait, did you just say you wanted to skullfuck me?'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Anyone want to help free the King Donkey from Iran?  For a reward of $500,000 in donkey shit, just send us a fee of $5000 canadian......the donkey king thanks you ahead of time.'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it seems in montreal you get shot with some 9 mm pistol's for littering and for walking by the litter'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i recall that native american in seattle awhile ago, carving his carving's with a knife that the cops 'apprehended''
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'same pigs different title'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'keep the peace, to serve and protect'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they sure know how to filter them at their masterful police academy's'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'more retards like pastament at work'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're his idea of sanity'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karzon: 'Boring.  New subject:  How would you best describe your feelings regarding Spiritualist medium 'Margery' (real name: mina) Crandon's supposed ability to produce 'ectoplasm' from her nose?'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'first i want to figure out which pap was name'd first'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Fascinating.'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'I am sure she completely believes it, and has convinced others to do so, as well.'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karzon: 'Too serious.'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Imp Druzil is a foreigner coming to treat the patients on the espionage missionary detail, organized by teh people who organize your government
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'fuck people, i can't stand society, conforming to worldwide retardation is like having a cork shoved up your ass and grepping it while you try to shit with your rectal muscles'
T3/r3/2011-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karzon: 'That reminds me of a book I read.'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada goes juppjupp.
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'any holders of bitcoin here?'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and ironically that's where stephen harper come's from, who causes pension's and canadian owned businesses to disappear'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'alberta's the only province in canada to have its own office in washington'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'every province seems to be being taken over by conservative premiers'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and look at all of those administrative citizen's protesting their government, who was the voter's who won his election?  maybe canadian steel/american steel?'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'canada's only second best country in the world behind australia because australia owns corporation's in canada and america hasn't overtaken canada yet in totality'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but give it 10-15 years and that will more than likely all change'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'once they're done their 'secret infiltration techniques' they'll pratice their deterioration openly, and being a superslave with no privledges will become the normal'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'so you're calling Stephan Harper and corporate Canada drug-dealers?'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no, i'm calling harper not a canadian and his supporter's foreigners'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'along with the conservative party, which does seem to resemble the mafia'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i mean, that's how it appears to me when considering these thing's, most rotten canadian leader i ever seen'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no morality or sense of equality at the least'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'then clearly he and his aren't conservatives, they're liberals in disguise.'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's not the first time america installed 'secret agent's' into a country to destabilize it's citizen privledges and instill american ideologies'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i read from the chile wikipedia entry that they tried it there after 1950 or so'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yes, canada couldn't afford to pay enough of the money abstraction to its localy produced market produce consuming citizen's to keep canadian steel produced by a canadian corporation'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how much sense does that make?'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'american canadian steel, the very stuff skyscrapers are made out of'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'very wise retard's in power'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and don't forget, canadian's pay 2-3x as much for a pioece of american furniture than an american does'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'ah, once america owns all of the lumber industries even canadian furniture can be unequally distributed like that'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but the american corporation's which own canadian oil reserves don't pay 3x as much for an importance of oil import'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'very wise stock market'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'feeling the environmental impact of oil extraction along the mouth of your main freshwater river down there in america too?'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'tumourtous fishies and malignant limb's on them'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's all a fable'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'feel the sting of your automobile'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'come on and pay 3x as much than a canadian for a serving of canadian oil'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all proceeds will go to medicare and other socially acceptable money expenditures for canadian privledges'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'america and canada call themselves 'christian nation's '
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and one christian motto is 'do unto others as you would have others do unto you', another is 'render unto caesar what belongs unto caesar''
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'Neither of which are in the bible'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'en contraire are both there'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'King James?'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'Hold on, I'ma search for it'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the bible also has the turn the other cheek mode of play.'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'guess that means that you can do whatever the fuck you want.'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'turn the other cheek, would you have somebody turn their cheek to you if you were beating them?'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'what it says is more or less if someone slaps you, turn the other cheek'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'contextually i think the turn the other cheek motto can be contested by do unto other's, if you're in line for some purgatory thinking'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'supposedly roman soldiers etc were allowed to slap you, but not strike with a fist, and turning the other cheek would make it awkward, since the soldier had to change hands and such and would look silly and mean'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'chastisement's of the lord are plenteously mentioned in the bible as well, and the gospel seems to state that a christian should 'strive towards perfection' as 'thy father which art in heaven is''
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'thou all have fallen short of being perfect, and all have fallen short of the glory of god'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but moving towards it seems to be an ok thing, so long as you can keep it reasonable'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'The Caesar thing is in there, the do unto others isn'r'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they're the same thing worded differently, Jex'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'matthew 7:12'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's one'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'wiched'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'wicked, even'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'canadian post -> on strike, air canada -> maybe on strike tomorrow, canadian steel -> on strike or was, saskatchewan teachers -> on strike'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's all kinds of wise administrative detail's harper has put into affect'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like how much taxes is the oil company not paying, while the tax payer pays for the coast guard to patrol their natural gas reserves around sable island'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'which they use to extract oil from the tar sands to sell to america for not 3x the price, that american furniture charges canadian citizens for'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and walmart and target are both american stores'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so you can see some problem's in the long term making if you can see beyond the temporary sugar cube's they feed people to want them to stay'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'USA!USA!'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'TexasTexas!'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'watching american canada might be an excellent way to study how to .. annex a nation'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'america #17 or lower on the global 'quality of life' report, canada #2, australia #1'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'watch canada become #18 or so soon'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'when somebody tries to annex poland a world war appears'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but the same's not so with places like canada, who went to assist britain during that war'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'canadian steel is actually american steel, says so here on teh land title's and the borders within which it is produced'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'canadian's can't afford to pay enough of the money abstraction to their citizens to keep it canadian'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'stupid'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'tank's and helicopters and submarine's are made out of the american canadian steel, which canada can't afford to smelt with the natural gas supplied at sable island into the formation's of steel that they are'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juxtaposed Jexebelle: 'Tee hee smelt.'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and by afford , i mean the imaginary money that canadian's use to barter their value's to one another - which money is moneychanged by the government banker's who say this shall be worth that'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'dee bate'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what is fool's gold?  looks alot like money'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'iron pyrite'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if canada were to take a golden magnet and suck in every shred of gold and diamonds and other fine mineral's that it's ever exported or sold, how rich would it be?'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sold for fools gold, this golden gold'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Komrad Kessel: 'we'd tax it all so not very..colonials :P'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'canadian government says they can't afford to buy something that's real in their nation with the money they imagined up'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i wonder if they even fool themselves some times'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do nation's trade in imagination's or in realities?'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(rhetorical): do ineffectual rabblerousers and wannabe troublemakers trade in defective insights and bad grammar'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'another funny thing, is that they hosted and host agricultural seminar's for canadian farmer's in places like niagra fall's ontario, where they don't produce agriculture'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why not some place like manitoba, saskatchewan or alberta?'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe too many people who actually produce something would show up'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'chemical industries send out their invitation's to luxury parties in regina hotel's to the farmer's though'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'having fun is what it's all really about, and buying more chemicals'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the grain elevator once recommended my pops buy some stampede herbicide to spray on his wheat crop, they did this at a young stage of the crop's development, and after spraying it say that everything turned brown and then the wheat back to green - at the harvest they say it was one of the nicest crops they ever had, but while unloading the grain smelt the rancid stench of chemical's on the seeds produced, and grabbed a gas mask to finish it'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they didn't mention it at the grain elevator, but maybe alot of loafs of bread that year included such amazing ingredients'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's all in your head has a new meaning! hahaha, little baby plants reproducing the chemical's into their seeds 3 months later'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's maybe not very funny though'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if a cop has evidence convicting his action's through his recording device's, the station and government will keep the video out of a trial until it's sufficiently edited or the trial is over, usually dissolving it into obscurity'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and if no recorded evidence existed towards a claim by somebody else that a cop acted corruptly, witnesses who seen it happen won't be believed before the cop's'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'alot of the time , i guess, the cop's don't want to let people know that they broke the law to obtain their evidence, and then attempt to fabricate alternative reason's why they're in custody'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or some just disappear even, and it's an unsolved mystery who done it, but they have suspects who they don't like'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'fingerprint database is only open to special people'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but with that database they can find strange evidence at the scene of those people's crimes'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'letting somebody' sentenced to life in prison know that you know where their children live and nobody will believe that i exist if you mention me, but your children may disappear if you do - may be an excellent way to cover something up'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and if they speak, well, who wouldn't listen to the offer of a bail hearing if they disappear, or in a similar boat do as they're told or else.. '
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just saying, trying to figure out some of the possible realities people might be covering up, it'd make a good fictional novel'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the guy in nevada didn't backtrack 10-15 mile's to the little community he just passed through, instead following the road further and leaving his wife alone stuck in the mud'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not sure how much sense that make's'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but i'm not that guy'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and why didn't she remember she just passed through a community?  instead staying in the car for 2 weeks or so'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's just too many hole's in alot of stories that people claim are really how they are'
T3/r3/2011-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe that makes them hallowed or hoary stories, or holy'
T3/r3/2011-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'if you betray your country, should you be executed by a firing squad?'
T3/r3/2011-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You overhear Juxtaposed Jexebelle asking the Demon of Rampage if he would like some BUKKAKE. What the hell?
T3/r3/2011-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'it was a question brought up by someone i work with'
T3/r3/2011-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Depends. How are we defining 'betray'?'
T3/r3/2011-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'anything that would or does cause death to anyone because of a security leak/selling secrets/selling information  to enemies or anyone that has the ability to harm/kill'
T3/r3/2011-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'what are his alternatives?  I mean, is he just arguing the method of disposal or is he arguing the justness of dealing with someone who puts the country in danger?'
T3/r3/2011-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Well, it is the one federal capital crie in the US.'
T3/r3/2011-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'the justness of dealing '
T3/r3/2011-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Son of Sam's law should apply.  The betrayer should not reap the rewards of his crime.'
T3/r3/2011-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Falling Skies.'
T3/r3/2011-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The latest long-range space forecast predicts a prolonged drop in solar activity after the next peak  and scientists say that might cool down temperatures here on Earth, or at least slow down the warming trend a bit. '
T3/r3/2011-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Tv censorship in the US pisses me off.....in the movie the Matrix, where the guy buys the program from Neo and says your my personal jesus christ...the censorship changed it to my juvenile delinquent.'
T3/r3/2011-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'heh, like in Die Hard 3, they changed his sign to read 'I HATE PEOPLE''
T3/r3/2011-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is bad enough they edit out 25% of the movies, but to change what is said is just unacceptable.'
T3/r3/2011-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'especially since it made no sense for all of the people to come up and start harassing him over that sing'
T3/r3/2011-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but they won't edit "bitchslap" and other things that are strictly meant to be offensive to a segment of the population'
T3/r3/2011-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Duke Nukem Forever.'
T3/r3/2011-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Ah, oscar meyer wieiner is leaving office....what a putz, anyone that stupid deserves to be disgraced.'
T3/r3/2011-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'heh, man buys an airline ticket and ends up getting charged with trespassing because his Weinershorts were hanging out.'
T3/r3/2011-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, Redbox rents games starting tomorrow.'
T3/r3/2011-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'terrorists infiltrated the Cannuck fans in Vancouver - burned 15 cars and damaged property'
T3/r3/2011-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Vanc won, or did they have a premature celebration?'
T3/r3/2011-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Cannucks suck and lost'
T3/r3/2011-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'if you think the President's Cup winner sucks, then the rest of the league is probably worse?'
T3/r3/2011-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'perhaps someone should explain the process to those silly Canadians, you riot and stuff when your team wins.'
T3/r3/2011-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the urban terrorist criminals posing as hockey fans brought gasoline and knives - they were going to burn cars and damage property and loot regardless of which team won'
T3/r3/2011-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'was that a Joss Stone publicity stunt that resulted in two suspects being charged with conspiracy to murder'
T3/r3/2011-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if people are governmened by a government, and the police it deploys are armed, and the nation is protected by a military from outside national threat's, and the art's of hunting and gathering (or survival measures) have gone extinct as every square inch of land is posted and owned by somebody who may never step foot on it, and you buy all of your substance from a feedlot (grocery store) - where is the place for citizen's to have firearms at all?'
T3/r3/2011-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and if citizens end up with firearms in their possession, and there is no contextual reason why they should have them - why isn't every means by which they can arrive at that citizen thoroughly investigated so the problem doesn't propagate?'
T3/r3/2011-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what % of the population that shoots a weapon actually consumes the substance of what it shoot's?  and that entire percent is a small percent of the entire population - how many land owners in a lot big enough to shoot a bullet without crossing territories into somebody elses lot are there?'
T3/r3/2011-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"Polish jokes" orginated after WWII because the pre-WWII Polish government disarmed the Poles, permitting the Germans to invade an "unarmed Poland"'
T3/r3/2011-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so how does a 14 year old kid in downtown toronto wind up in possession of a 9 mm pistol?'
T3/r3/2011-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'for instance, replace the numbers and location's to your setting'
T3/r3/2011-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(jokes as to how STUPID they were)'
T3/r3/2011-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'did it arrive to him by monkey science, or by professional position's of authority passing down the monkey science?'
T3/r3/2011-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nebmaatre: 'plurals don't need apostrophes.'
T3/r3/2011-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what % of the population has the resources and tool's and knowledge to build those firearms and their ammunition?'
T3/r3/2011-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is it pretty difficult to pinpoint the route's every single weapon take's and investigate their inventor's?'
T3/r3/2011-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'tax payer dollars NOT at work, an example'
T3/r3/2011-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'GPS on every single little electronic device you have, but you can't make a secret protocol (and a few double measure's) to house secret identifiers and resource locator's on those firearm's to trace the stray's'
T3/r3/2011-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and then when you observe which of the secret protocols or double measures are double crossed on each weapon you can observe which step's of the weapon's journey are corrupted'
T3/r3/2011-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'what makes you think such a device could not be easily removed or disabled?'
T3/r3/2011-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not every person on this world know's about how tiny science can make thing's, and if they do, they don't expect science to make that government funded journey, and if they suspect science does, how likely is it that science couldn't have registered these contra-scientists electron scanning microscope's into a secret protocol or double measure of its own (i doubt they could build that microscope unless they are a government themself)'
T3/r3/2011-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and since they can't confirm both step's, you could rig both the microscope and that identifier or one of the double measures, or all of them into both ends of the device, like you can fit a 100 gb hard drive on a fingernail sized surface'
T3/r3/2011-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this here is all hypothetical stuff for keeping people from being murdered by weapon's which people really don't have much of a use for these day's, unless the cops aren't doing their jobs at all'
T3/r3/2011-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'gun registry is partly an ok idea with the candian government, but that didn't seem to stop people from getting those weapons which are only produced in a few places, a very small number of places compared to the population of the world'
T3/r3/2011-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hand guns are illegal here, people can have hunting rifle's if they're relatively sane and keep them locked up, to hunt they need a permit, and there are shooting range's - hand gun's are limited to shooting range's and i imagine the amount of difficulty in registering one of those is alot more than registering a hunting rifle (if you live in a place near which is thing's like deer where you'd go hunting)'
T3/r3/2011-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe it's only activated when it encounters a certain series of step's which cause it to enter into a radar transmission or some other kind of transmission when condition's are ideal, like a static listening device that trigger's a weapon to reveal it's location when a satellite or other device sends out a broadcast signal, and the device responds to the ping when it receives that signal (and this signal can be many kind's of signals, like those countermeasure's)'
T3/r3/2011-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's possible though, even if they haven't tried it'
T3/r3/2011-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if mister <local terrorist> predicts a homing device and scan's all frequencies for sign's of that device, locking it down searching the frequencies for which one will reveal that device's location on the billion's of circuit's or trillion's or (assumedly none on a weapon) - then there's a <local> with access to a supercomputer and a bunch of billion or trillion dollar equipment operating in a location which is enclosed from those satellite's and other type's of signalling device's'
T3/r3/2011-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and since he's local, that would narrow down the search a little, wouldn't it?'
T3/r3/2011-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they seem to know alot about the various building material's on this world, is there any they can't send any kind of signal through?'
T3/r3/2011-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but i think you see what i mean, how to tag dangerous product's in various way's (that weren't formerly tagged beyond direct contact measure's), as they do your ipod or whatever else you have, cat with a new mexico electronic implant found in chicago 9 months later'
T3/r3/2011-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and how to narrow down stage's of that product's transportation and production which would be required to reveal the secret's (even the secret developers themselves, maybe, you need many of those who don't associate)'
T3/r3/2011-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'to detect which area's and level's of government are corrupted'
T3/r3/2011-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'because, you can't go to a english firearm's/sporting goods store, with a translator and a crazy glued id which is obviously fake and buy any kind of weapon from the shelf you want, and you can't rob one of those stores without a absence of surveillance, inadequate surveillance or already having a weapon - and if thing's like weapon's were monitored more closely than thing's like people, maybe the real threat's would cease to be so numerous (or the proper people get more monitoring, as they are the one's through which those weapons go to arrive at .. that store, that form of metal's, that calibre, etc) then into the hands of people who really don't have anything to hunt beyond other people, in a world of disarmed people'
T3/r3/2011-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so, some people argue that everybody should have adequate protection and ability to use it, but that's not really the way people want to live, i think'
T3/r3/2011-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'during the shipping phase it follow's a constantly updated cryptographic gps coordinate signal, until it arrive's at the shop when it sets up it's gps coordinate parameter within that shop (or storage facility) then hibernate's until either it's removed from the premises without authentication (trigger's a infinitely complex level of alarm mechanisms) or it's registered with the compound's security manager as being allowed to leave, and that part of the detail can be kept track of, the signal from the manager disable's the alarm mechanism (and you could put alot of other boundaries on the device on the weapon)'
T3/r3/2011-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there could be some useful uses for  thing's, depending how they want to use them, to reduce crime's against humanity, or only those crime's against humanity which hinder their own crime's against humanity'
T3/r3/2011-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but they could fake the gps signal or coordinate's, possibly, which would have to have another security measure in place to prevent, complex stuff but it could have it's uses, and might some day, or already does possibly'
T3/r3/2011-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '(this spectacle is me wondering how could current technology be exploited to limit the ability of illegal firearm's to arrive in the hands of people who shouldn't possess them)'
T3/r3/2011-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I could see that happening......new research shows a reduction in your IQ if you watch the jersey shore.'
T3/r3/2011-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Oregon State Police said Friday a raid in Wallowa County found more than 91,000 plants in a ravine with extensive terracing. Miles of plastic irrigation tubing lined the area, and authorities found weapons, food and supplies at campsites that could support growers for weeks.'
T3/r3/2011-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'when an imm happens, all their player graffiti should be insta-aged to permanence.'
T3/r3/2011-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'and if they are kicked out for unscrupulous behavior like certain former imms, they should all get removed.'
T3/r3/2011-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'go somewhere else where your behaviour is more appreciated.'
T3/r3/2011-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'agreed, but that never happens as often as bitter former-players make it out to be'
T3/r3/2011-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'graffiti is part of Aard's history. Purging graffiti is denying heritage.'
T3/r3/2011-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'would that logic applied to players!'
T3/r3/2011-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we don't need to celebrate the wrongdoers who got found out, though.'
T3/r3/2011-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if they were found out, then they placed the graffiti I might agree with you, but the other way around is erasing history. We have enough of that irl.'
T3/r3/2011-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'if graffiti is erased that is never read, does anybody care?'
T3/r3/2011-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so we should tear down monuments that are not visited often?'
T3/r3/2011-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'most graves would qualify, I suppose. The land could be use for some new real estate developments...'
T3/r3/2011-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'are we talking about your genis or graffiti?'
T3/r3/2011-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'in today's market?  Are you daft?'
T3/r3/2011-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am talking about respecting the past, I don't know what you are talking about.'
T3/r3/2011-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I've known some of the disgraced Imms. It is a pity that they did what they did to become disgraced. But before that, they did things that earned my respect. I don't forget that.'
T3/r3/2011-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Disgraced imms?  There's only one I can think of.  I mean, there have been a few that were (and are) rather graceless, but there is only one whose position of dishonor can't easily be disputed.'
T3/r3/2011-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Oh, wait, two.'
T3/r3/2011-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I' need 2 hands'
T3/r3/2011-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'to keep track'
T3/r3/2011-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seriously, Salvanas: 'Lasher?'
T3/r3/2011-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yes, definitely two.  How could I forget?'
T3/r3/2011-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seriously, Salvanas runs away in utter terror!
T3/r3/2011-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'don't forget to count the gay ones'
T3/r3/2011-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Lasher doesn't make mistakes that don't involve reboots and crashes.'
T3/r3/2011-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's a really interesting point, Kojiro. I suppose that being gay is a bad thing for an Imm, right?'
T3/r3/2011-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'he's generally fair but does make mistakes when he's emotional.  I can attest to it.'
T3/r3/2011-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Sooooo... he's human?'
T3/r3/2011-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'There's a surprise'
T3/r3/2011-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, no.  That's not a mistake, that's an unintentional reordering of priorities and he was going to do it anyways.'
T3/r3/2011-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'yea anar when they smother you with their homosxuality'
T3/r3/2011-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'The best imm ever was Maerchyng.'
T3/r3/2011-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you need help, Kojiro.'
T3/r3/2011-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'he's got the best gig.  All he has to do is help newbies.'
T3/r3/2011-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'Help me decicde whether I should fund a million bucks in a trust to keep aard going in perpetuity'
T3/r3/2011-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'personally, I have no criticism for the Imm staff. They do the job they are supposed to do and in return they get a lot of grief for it.'
T3/r3/2011-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the cons are i'm out a million bux'
T3/r3/2011-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if you're even half-heartedly thinking about blowing it on something frivolous, you won't miss it.'
T3/r3/2011-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I'd hold out for a proper reward, though.  A million bucks should be enough to worm your way into a noban clause just for you.'
T3/r3/2011-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, operation north woods.'
T3/r3/2011-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a CIA op to hijack US jets and fly them into buildings in the 1960s to blame on Cuba to give reason to invade them.'
T3/r3/2011-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you DO know that spies use misdirection, right?'
T3/r3/2011-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'best way to defend against your enemies is to get them to believe and act on something that isn't true.  Buys you time to do whatever you were going to do, and maybe get out.'
T3/r3/2011-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'is Dokkar denying the existence and validity of operation north woods (as a cia conjectured op)'
T3/r3/2011-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'iirc northwoods was jcs operation'
T3/r3/2011-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'jcs?'
T3/r3/2011-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'joint chiefs of staff'
T3/r3/2011-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '"It could be months before efforts to broker a peace deal between the Afghan government and the Taliban bear fruit, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said in an interview."'
T3/r3/2011-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I never would have guessed!'
T3/r3/2011-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Big wall + everybody else leaves = they can sort their own crap out'
T3/r3/2011-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly at Vakieh.
T3/r3/2011-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'california is tough to control....so is arnold'
T3/r3/2011-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'last night on cbc i seen a news clip about syria, and the broadcaster's were questioning the saying '..won't stand by and do nothing' regarding syria, when the comment was made about lybia - preceding a rundown on canada's soldiers leaving afghanistan by next month, but probably going back there for 'training purposes' - i did a lookup on google for 'what good goverrnments are doing in afghanistan' to see what else they're doing there besides what we mostly hear about, and this is one of the only results i got that said anything good about it http://www.comfec-cefcom.forces.gc.ca/pa-ap/ops/fs-fr/afg-eng.asp on the first 1-2 pages of results'
T3/r3/2011-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'rights for people is ok, but when do they start?'
T3/r3/2011-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or ctv whatever it was'
T3/r3/2011-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://www.un.org/Docs/scres/2001/sc2001.htm this here's why canada went there in the first place, i think'
T3/r3/2011-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in a 'non-peacekeeping' form'
T3/r3/2011-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's obvious that they went there for the oil.  Why do you think we are buying it all up from you now?'
T3/r3/2011-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if canadian oil was owned by canadian's, they wouldn't be charging the same price for it here that they do in america, since canada uses less than 30% of the oil it produces'
T3/r3/2011-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so , since it's probably owned by american's, buying 'our oil' from yourselves doesn't make much sense'
T3/r3/2011-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how much does a fresh lobster cost in new england or maine, compared to .. north dakota, or halifax and winnepeg'
T3/r3/2011-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'minerals that burn don't follow the same convention's of local cost cutting'
T3/r3/2011-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they didn't even know canada had oil where they mass-produce it now, 100 years ago'
T3/r3/2011-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now that they know, they own it .. enslaved forever by the owners'
T3/r3/2011-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it warns against dabbling in other nation's matters in the bible, it's amazing how many nation's that call themselves christian or bible-god fearing nation's don't see that'
T3/r3/2011-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'everybody wants to fix all the problems in the world, they way them and a few other people see they need fixing, not neccessarily a perfect way or a way the majority of people will agree with in a given fraction of the world, but they'll try anyways, they own their governments'
T3/r3/2011-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you realize that the Israelites were a tribe of elite farmer-assassins employed by Egypt when they really wanted someone dead, right?'
T3/r3/2011-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'elite murderers and stuff, wow, what's the amazement about that?  you take a instrument and you apply it'
T3/r3/2011-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'part of a race's ego'
T3/r3/2011-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'with a nationality, part of a nation's ego'
T3/r3/2011-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'big deal , you can kill an unarmed person'
T3/r3/2011-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'aren't you a tough guy'
T3/r3/2011-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and no farmer assassins are written of the old testament'
T3/r3/2011-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and moses wasn't called on by pharoah to perform his murderous will, pharoah was the reason moses was put in the river wasn't he?'
T3/r3/2011-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'well, no, people tend to make it a habit to only write good things about themselves'
T3/r3/2011-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'there are some ancient Egyptian sources that tell the biblical story from the egyptian perspective.  Moses was the Grandaddy Bloody General of the Israelites.  He wasn't maniacal or particularly bloodthirsty, but anything skillful you can attribute to the fighting prowess of the Israeli nation can be traced all the way back to him.  Basically, he is the Israeli Sun Tzu.'
T3/r3/2011-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the Bible itself can even be interpreted as a military handbook, and institutions such as West Point Academy actually do incorporate the bible in their military teachings.'
T3/r3/2011-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's true, I took the course on blowing a trumpet to bring down the walls'
T3/r3/2011-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'a recent study shows that older workers are more productive than younger ones'
T3/r3/2011-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'doesn't everything in the US incorporate the bible somehow?'
T3/r3/2011-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'older workers care'
T3/r3/2011-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, Ranrr.'
T3/r3/2011-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It sure looks like that from the outside.'
T3/r3/2011-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Hard to find a speech from a US politician that doesn't invoke $deity'
T3/r3/2011-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I'm sure your country looks a lot different from out here than you know it to be from inside.'
T3/r3/2011-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Steven Spielberg sucks, Magan Fox was my she-ro :)'
T3/r3/2011-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'total reported oil futures trading on nymex+ice is over 40 times total oil production? :)'
T3/r3/2011-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'obviously none of those positions arespeculative'
T3/r3/2011-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'did the story of Twelve Monkeys not make sense to anyone else?'
T3/r3/2011-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Riddim: 'I do notwa'
T3/r3/2011-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '8000 years ago there were 15 billion acres of forests, today there is a little less then 7.5 billion acres of forest.'
T3/r3/2011-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '8000 years ago there were probably about 100 million people on the planet...'
T3/r3/2011-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so i watched a show on history tv last night called doomsday prophets, and they gave some idea's on what kind of real events might happen in the immediate future which could result in humanity going extinct or the world turning into some kind of desolate place like this island off the west coast of south america, where they figure around 40k inhabitants once lived until they ran out of foliage (which they mass consumed and implemented without replenishing it)'
T3/r3/2011-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they had some interesting idea's'
T3/r3/2011-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrmidon Calamar: 'Nuclear War had to be the number 1 possibility'
T3/r3/2011-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'doomsday wannabe idiots'
T3/r3/2011-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the water shortage (kind of haha, but freshwater can get polluted, (at the amount of floods recently), nuclear weaponry was one that got alot of consideration too, they mentioned around 27 lbs of plutonium being plenty to make a bomb or uranium'
T3/r3/2011-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then there was artificial intelligence, machine's with minds that know all information in the world evolving in a smart marketing campaign and propagating into position to find human's to be obsolete, and slow poisoning the water to remove them'
T3/r3/2011-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but that was more of a distant threat as they agreed'
T3/r3/2011-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then there was oil shortage'
T3/r3/2011-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'economical collapse, as they say nearly happened in 2008'
T3/r3/2011-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They did a show about a wife slowly poisoning her husbands water on the show CSI miami....they caught her....no way robots could do it without people noticing.'
T3/r3/2011-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it was a pretty thoughtful show though, them guys seem pretty smart'
T3/r3/2011-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrmidon Calamar: 'If AI was actually a serious consideration, then I'm led to believe the documentary was done by a bunch of clown shits. But since you already said it was distant, I'll calm the rhetoric a little :P'
T3/r3/2011-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think one of them quoted bill gate's as saying by 2030 robotics will be a multitrillion dollar industry'
T3/r3/2011-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the 2008 collapsed was orchestrated. It was a long range plan to redistribute the wealth. Get the weak players out of the game.'
T3/r3/2011-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and that was part of their consideration's in robots taking over the obsolete human world'
T3/r3/2011-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the saying machine's thinking at the speed of light kind of make's sense when thinking of fibre optics, but i think a bolt of lightning itself is a little slower , and light itself maybe a side effect that is present when the particle's are present, without a real speed, but that's what i think to be possible'
T3/r3/2011-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, the orchestrator's of the chaos that they seen to be possibly real'
T3/r3/2011-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't think i seen them considering those one's but they did consider orchestrator's of each part in part'
T3/r3/2011-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how could some intelligence be behind so many of these possible destructive scenario's and be mortal and live with themself?'
T3/r3/2011-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the collapse of major banks in 2008 was a follow-up to the destruction of the S&L's in the '80s. The 80s coup moved the capital to the banks, the 2008 debacle reduced the number of banks with access to the capital.'
T3/r3/2011-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you pay attention you will notice that both events targeted the real estate market which is basically a bottomless pit of capital.'
T3/r3/2011-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the 2008 financial collapse redistributed more of the world wealth to the rich'
T3/r3/2011-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the interesting link to both event is the Bush family which were instrumental in the implementation of both actions.'
T3/r3/2011-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and yeah, they seen water and energy as more of an immediate threat, and nuclear warfare as one that they said isn't even really considered by classified research in defense against, they mentioned a figure of russian's who were caught trying to steal uranium from its borders, and speculated how much actually got away, if any, if so many were caught'
T3/r3/2011-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then they mentioned a group of special forces agents who were sent by the government to attempt to steal some enriched nuclear fuel from a plant, to see if it was possible, and equipped with a common hardware store toolbox, made away with that 27 lbs or so'
T3/r3/2011-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so that is a real possibility, as is energy concerns and poison water'
T3/r3/2011-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or water shortage'
T3/r3/2011-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they gave 6 or so scenario's that they each seen as important, but the robotics was on of a more distant variety'
T3/r3/2011-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'at this point, robotics and the economy are human abstractions/social constructs, we need oxygen and water to perform either pursuit, nuclear warfare is sort of human but quite a bit inhuman too'
T3/r3/2011-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i lean more towards the threats that aren't human abstraction's as being more relevant'
T3/r3/2011-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but i'm aware of both'
T3/r3/2011-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shinso: 'We're overdue for flu pandemic, which I think is more likely than the Skynet scenario :P'
T3/r3/2011-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there is actually a company called skynet, somewhere in europe'
T3/r3/2011-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think they had that name in a movie somewhere'
T3/r3/2011-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I own Skynet....we are developing a cloned donkey to take over the world.'
T3/r3/2011-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that would be too crass, Shinso :) The west Nile virus is more elegant. It reduces the population slowly so as to not cause panic.'
T3/r3/2011-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'under certain definitions, Skynet already exists.'
T3/r3/2011-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, i can see that, also alot of companies that seem to value energy over human life, while the applications they put it to aren't critical except in the endless pursuit of power and harnessing of the sky'
T3/r3/2011-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he who sacrifices the most goats has the most flies'
T3/r3/2011-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and billion flies couldn't be wrong...'
T3/r3/2011-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like this thing i see on discovery, they have this machine in a laboratory that's built to study plasma as they speculate is the same as the surface of the sun, how much energy there?  more than you raverage 800,000,000 human civilian's energy requirements i assume'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and it's purpose is in studying how to protect your skynet (the satellite's and some exposed electronical devices, from solar storms, some kind of energy bursts from the sun that mess up electronics'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but does that affect something like a buried fibre optic cable?'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'with all the money they spend on that, what area of the world couldn't have its own little radar tower and fibre optic connection to the other tower?'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what area doesn't?'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'details about the show may not be 100% accurate, but i'm not perfect and using it for discussion, at least i'm not the only one who has a consideration for the large negative's that could be possible, you know?  check it out though if you're interested - doomsday prophets on history tv'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'anyways - when i look at non-critical applications of this world's resources, which are limited, onto somebody's desire for power and monopilizations of other people's realities, (objective puppet worldviews), in contrast to something like - you can't avoid falling into the sky because we're maybe already fallen into it, here, floating around the sun - and then in contrast to images of the dead fish after the 04/21/10 oil spill - it does seem alot like sacrificing goats to somebody's imaginary deity'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that is long, but if you can see the pieces, maybe you can see the reason why i find them a bit obselic'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people call people religious nutters, while they may not understand what makes the nut a little loony, but they themselves hide behind the guise of science and things like that and call everybody else a nut - well, what do the scientists avoid in not realizing that they themselves can appear that exact same way'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'only, i think, today science is used alot more for destructive purposes than its members are attempting to apply it for progress of the non-deathly variety'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the golf spill may have been accidental. I can't claim otherwise. But it did have the desired effect. Oil companies made a few extra billion each.'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'learning things and knowing things is fine, but avoiding progress because the game of monopoly says it's too lazy to adapt isn't quite as fine'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the game of monopoly and the evolution theory of the english darwin'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's past tense now though, are they going to learn from their mistake's?  i hope sos, and are they taking adequate human measures in dealing with the results?  possibly'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the priority of cleaning something up versus the pretense of money'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and it was 'prophets of doom''
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i often wonder how i could be born into some 'biblical climax' or 'time of the end of times' when i hear alot of people talking about 'the end' and things like that'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i mean, what's the odds?'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'debate somebody has to be, i guess, at least the end of time as we see it, then we won't see it anymore, our human instances'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but still, it seems unlikely'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but maybe also it doesn't actually end, it's hard to say if we only use our mind's to draw a conclusion, and speculating (within our 120 year lifespans) about the relics in the dust and the mysterious sky and infinite possibilities that exist in reality'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if present life gets wiped out the Earth will regenerate and a new life matrix will form.'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's not a nail on faith when somebody says the world was created so many years ago, a historian believes such, a religious person may feel threatened by the historians belief and run from questioning their own, fearing it to be real, makin it more real to both of them as apossibility'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it has happened before and I see no reason why it can't happen again.'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i remember that a human speculates over a billion years, which is a million time's as long as the exceptionally average human being exists on this world'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or is it 10 million'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's quite the factorial '
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and speck of light in the night sky, travelling 15 billion years to our world'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the dinosaurs became extinct 65M years ago. There weren't any humans then.  '
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it is astounding and mind boggling, the amount of figures to consider all of the data required to come up with a conviction one way or the other, but, i see the fact as being that none of these people who preach either way (the world was created yesterday, maybe to some newborn it was? other contexts..) or the world came about as a big bang here in space with the rest of the universe, and there may be other universes out there'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'has existed through that time-frame to witness themself what actually happened from start to current'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am partial to the pulsating big bang theory and the multiverse seems a reasonable theory.'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'without inventing a simulating machine to fast-forward the relevant points that touch on their current realities so they can put things into a believable perspective, unbiased witness'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, i think multiverse sounds reasonable too'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'at quantum levels there is certainly alternate realities in effect.'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'all quantum events are statistical so...'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'think about this, in humans (at least) nerve impulses are transmitted by the emission of a single Ca+. That means that our nervous system is subject to quantum fluctuations.'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'which explains why two people never think exactly the same way.'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and us, our mind's are separate but we share this world, there are plenty of star's in the sky and upon closer inspection the scientists sees galaxy's and cluster's of galaxy's and things like that, lots of possibilities, but i think everybody is pretty miraculous in being themselves'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'even if they do dislike me or i dislike them, that they are different is their right, and i'm glad that we're not one dreaming monolith which is aware it's dreaming, (the middle ground's imagination), instead each have our own perspective of this middle ground and own place in it'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'reality itself can be a scary thing to be aware of, all of the horrors in it can pale in comparison, but they still are possible'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but it's also a wonderful thing, without it who is?'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is no context whereby one can tell what reality is.'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'trying to picture never and nothing, nonexistance, and this reality in that state, even without me being, is a difficult thing to consider - it sounds basic, but this to me is a real obsessive thought'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'any context you use can be artificial and there is no way to determine otherwise because we can not see from outside it.'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the bible mentions alot of things along the saying of yours'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'right, reality is itself and we're like subsets of it'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no way to tell'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's what i think you mean, a computer program may not know more about the computer it's written in than the computer programmer taught the program to understand, and then the understanding may be fictional - this maybe a key difference between ai and human intelligence'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the brain has no concept of reality. It can't tell the difference between an induced image or a "real" one.'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a scientist defining the nature of an atom which his pen is made out of, through the microdevice which is composed of atom's through his pupil's which are composed of atoms - how was the atom able to magnify the information of what it looks like to itself?'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Fucking atoms! How do they work?'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can't use an object to image another object of the same magnitude... you can't image an atom with atoms.'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i did good in physics until i went on a drunken drop-out spree in nuclear physics, so i couldn't tell you fiendish, they just do what they do'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we should be not using nuclear fuels though, as they're very volatile and their byproducts can be very devastating'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they might steam cleaner than coal, but i think if people put their minds together they could phase out both eventually'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i mean, think about it, humans been here for a indeterminate amount of time on this world, surviving until this point - and these type's of materials weren't widely used for required living circumstances, and they didn't have the large collection of possible alternative's and tools to find those that we do today, if they did - since these are limited resources which they teach kids in kindergarden at 5 years old, why isn't more action being taken to replace them with these tools?'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do you think your children in your absence will be able to find a way out of the system's which they were raised in, but you have a idea of the exterior of?'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what makes them better suited for finding a solution than you?'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i wonder about these questions with people, do they want to go extinct by natural causes, or by their own hands?'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they're not doing everything they can to make sure it's not by their own hands, then how come some thing's don't seem to be being done, and some thing's are done which seem to counteract that approach?'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'man, if only the white man would have shaken hands with the indian instead of giving him small pox, we might have peacefully co-existed with them to this day'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but cause a hand wasn't shaken 700-800 years ago, here is history and racial boundaries with prejudice'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'are we better suited than they to prevent the future that happened after that point?'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'hands were shaken to indicate that they weren't holding any weapons...'
T3/r3/2011-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mieko: 'http://www.theroot.com/buzz/wikileaks-founder-facebook-spy-machine'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'who's caving?....dems or reps'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'actually, I think is California right along the Saint Andreas fault.'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'cali getting dumped into the sea eventually'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'ny marriage?'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'hmm, I think it's San Andreas :)'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'one off the coast too'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and yes, with a little help from the folks in Vegas, Nevada will by prime beachfront property along it's western cost.'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'tis the tsunami threat'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'coast*'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not to say I think they will drop plastique down the fault or anything'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they haven't yet made enough plastique for that'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nevadans (sps) love plastic explosives'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, actually all they'd need to do if flood the fault :)'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they call themselves The Gamblers'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'roll the dice'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'life is a gamble...whatever state'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you gotta know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, know when to walk away, know when to run.'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'anyway, Kamdble, the answer to your original question is either "neither" or "both" since at a distance they all look alike :)'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'indeed dokk'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'gotta scroll back up'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'sec'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'didn't find...not saying its not there'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 're question'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'paste?'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '(Debate) Kamdble: 'who's caving?....dems or reps''
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'ah'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'gotcha'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i remember that one'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'they all crooks indeed'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'least have some in both parties'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the correct answer is "Neither".  There's a budget that needs balancing, so they should be in their offices instead of out in the wilds for some R&R.'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'come on...you know that's not how it works'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'in an ideal world perhaps'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's what you get when you pay people whether they do their jobs or not.'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'contrary to popular opinion....reps/sen don't make a whole lot relatively to those higher ups not in government'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that's a tad bit unfair to call pro sports athletes politicians...'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if people started using the power of recall more often, politicians would make a better effort to earn their living.'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'non arguement'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it doesn't matter if they make minimum wage, Kamdble. They haven't earned it.'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'did they vote?'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'remember....you elect them'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'is why this 'don't represent' still blows my mind'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'their job is not to engage in the mechanics of the system but into benefiting their constituents and the public at large.'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'That's like saying being hired entitles you to be paid - being hired entitles you to WORK'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'agreed anar'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'no work without pay'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'start the pay, start the work'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'no other procedure'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Hired -> Work -> Pay...not Hired -> Pay'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'no no...no pay, no work'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'pay is first'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'else can be cheated'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I think people should stop complaining about how government is run and start doing something about it. I believe that if a campaign of recalls is carried out, it will force the government to either do what it is supposed to or declare marshal law :)'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'well...both sides have to move to the middle'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'otherwise nothing will get done'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'is why dems won't fold'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am cynical enough to believe they will choose the second option. Another 9/11 or some such would give enough reason to suspend the constitution.'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we've conceded cuts'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'more income is needed'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'you come up with a way to acquire without additional cuts'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I doubt if they are being sincere. I believe what is happening is a ploy by either side to make the other side look back in the coming elections. What should happen is that every incumbent running for re-election should lose. If that doesn't get the point across, nothing will.'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'when in personal finance trouble...you attempt to acquire additional income while cutting expense'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'bottom line'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'all good...i hear the world is ending next year anyways'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'sarcasim peeps'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the expenses are so obvious there need not be any debate. Stop fucking around with troops in other countries. Spend the 1M a day that that cost on the people at home.'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'butchered'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or 10M, whatever.'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'troops shld and will come home...wld prefer a lot quicker but'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'better hurry and reserve your seats.  All the good ones are already taken up by the zombies and skeletons milling around waiting.'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'fuck next year, fuck next week, today.'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'have to look forward anar'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'need the oil and other resources'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'mistake not too'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'to'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'bio'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the only reason those troops are overseas is for corporations to reap some profits. There is no other point, rhetoric notwithstanding. '
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, even if it is true that they need the oil. Then buy it, not steal it.'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'at least if they are going to be thieves have the balls to admit it instead of playing the pious little bitch to the world while screwing everything in sight.'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'what profit?'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'bak btw'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'agreed'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'not sure where we've gain any oil 'profits / advantages' because of the warsd'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'source?'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'iraq was his daddy's war....and libya sells very little to the usa'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kamdble blinks innocently.
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so you are saying the GM and FORD build tanks and give it to the government for free. That the defense industries build planes and give them away free. That the munitons manufactorers give their products away for free.'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they are very patriotic.'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nothing is free....not saying adjustments shldn't be made'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i thought american cars had rebounded some'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'didn't someone pay off the bail?'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the whole point of war is profit, the patriotic bull shit is so that the masses won't castrate those in power when the butcher's bill comes due.'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'still waiting on the 'profit''
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we're nato'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so what if you are NATO?'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'if you're the quarterback...you go into the game'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, I am done. I am not going to listen to someone that thinks that governments go to war for the flag.'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'not saying nato is right...or shldn't be disbanded'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'kk....i'd expect you to run'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'when the countries are ruined and desperate is a good time to cut a deal...if they were self sufficient you'd have to pay an 'exorbitant' prise for the resource'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'bottom line is til the middle east is 'contained'....then we're going to be there...and yet....hate still dictates  \most comments'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'how can you tolerate NATO, when was the last time that the head of NATO was from Europe? Let's see.... never. The US owns NATO, it is a US agency and it is being funded by European taxes, if not wholly, enough to make an economic difference.'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i didn 't say i tolerated nato'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i said we were part of it'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'word is word'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and best to use up your enemies' stores first.  They're easier to destroy if they have to work like Germany or Japan.'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'or shld be....least when the us gives it'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'kill nato'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what enemy? That's the point, there hasn't been a war in the last 150 years where the conflicts hadn't been manufactured so that there would be a war.'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'instead of bitching'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'well...that's all lies'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '150 years?'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'all wars are manufactured.'
T3/r3/2011-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we manufactured hitler?'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'or franco in ww1?'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'don't you think odd that suddenly NATO wants to put a missile shield around Russia? '
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they all start because some dumbass got a bunch of other dumbasses to do some really dumbass things that snowball into something awful.'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'suddenly?  They've been wanting to do that since nukes were invented.'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Hitler was manufactured, the mistake the allies made was that they didn't know he was psychotic.'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'problem is you don't understand...we're a planet now...not a country'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'fighting leads to war'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but just look at the behavior of the allies toward Germany after the Treaty of Versalles. Any country would have gone to war had they been subject to that.'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'gonna be tough when china comes around'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'yes they did that's why they chose him'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'what level eq you got already?'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'mistakes are made anar'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'mix'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'look to the past to move forward'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the only reason WW I stopped was to resupply, that's all. '
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'source?'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'vomit thrown down another person's throat is still vomit'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'kinky too'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'water sports!!!'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'water sports for 1000 alex'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Extreme Spit Swapping'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'read antony sutton kambdle...'wall street and the rise of hitler''
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'get common sense'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'doh..mis'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kamdble licks his lips and smiles.
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'for any quote, there is always another opposing'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'wldn't quote when you get to college'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the Russian Revolution was financed by Morgan and Rockefeller, that's documented. Not only that, but they got Alexander to put all his assets in their banks and when the Bolsheviks threw him out he came and ask for his money... Morgan said "what money?".'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i still see no source'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: ''documented' is not a source'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am not your RA, look it up yourself if you are interested.'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dynamo: 'read antony sutton 'wall st and the bolshevik revolution''
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'not saying you aren't mrigh'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'yeah yeah...read 1984 and its come and gone'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'common sense....one world'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '1984 is a kid's story compare to some of the truth of what is going on.'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '...and that's common sense'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'if you look for conspiracies everywhere....eventually you'll find one'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, common sense is about the tyranny of Big England.'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and we kicked their ass dokk'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'only just barely, and only for the home games.'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the funny thing about 1984 is that when the year came and went everyone who was anyone made the point that the book had been far-fetched after all. It might have been over-dramatized but it was accurate otherwise. What happened in MiniLove happens irl.'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'barely counts'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we totally sucked balls when it came to invading'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'conspiriacies aboud....(butchered)'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'one world people...to think else means our destruction'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'one world leads to our destruction as well'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '...and re agenda'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there cannot be a world without borders, there are too many dukes out there.'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'quit buying 'made in china''
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you think the poorer members are going to demand we keep our money local?'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why?'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'evolution'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you don't want to buy chinese, but you want the chinese to by from the US...'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: ''made in the usa'....parts are parts...least someone in the usa is getting paid'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'sam walton is turning over in his grave'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'anyone else walked up and told another shopper to buy american?'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'again if you are going to get paid, earn it. Many of the stuff made in the US is of inferior quality to imports. Which is the main reason why US car manufacturers almost went under. '
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'talk is cheap'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'earn it?'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'As a former american, could you envision yourself paying half your wage for the clear and open purpose of giving people in Zimbabwe a better life?'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'this is for giggles'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, making crapping parts for autos, for instance, doesn't qualify in my mind as earning a living.'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and....why wldn't it be inferior to elsewhere'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'if they pay xx amount and we pay min wage....which product is gonna be on the shelf'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'look to Germany and the EU if you need a reason to avoid a one-world scenario'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'bottom line....just read the labels'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'that's not 'one world' dokk'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'because the Japanese, for instance, do believe that making the best product possible is the way to keep a customer. The philosophy in the US is to make it as cheap as possible and to sell it for as much as the market will bear. When the repeat business begins to slide they blame it on foreign competition.'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'that's the eu'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Germany is the secondary cause of the EU bailouts'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'cheaper is better in the us.....regardless of the outcome'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'suit yourself.'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i always do'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kamdble winks at Undertaken Anaristos.
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so you don't mind buying replacements at 2 or 3 times the rate of foreign parts as long as you buy from the US? No wonder they get away with it with people like you as customers :)'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'yes...i don't'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'money at home'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'jobs at home'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'too much greed in the upper classes'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as I said, when there is a US product which is clearly the best, I buy it.  But my commitment is to buy the best not to finance mediocrity.'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and we want to be them'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you want me to buy from you, make a good product.'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'well if you kept your money here, perhaps they wld be the best'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'all good i guess to fund an overseas company'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'if that's your style'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'take Cadillac, for instance. They are making excellent cars now BUT they sell it at the same price as foreign manufacturers do even though their cost is less because they are domestic. '
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so fuck them.'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'well...how long was honda far below the market'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'toyota'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'for as long as they took them to come up with a winning product.'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ditto'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'yep'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'now they are clearly the best'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'you advance or you fail'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Cadillac is a domestic brand, yes, but they are not Made in the Usa and therefore are made more expensive.'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'most pieces of a Cadillac are imported, or at best made here at plants owned by overseas companies trying to get around customs costs.'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shinso: 'Union concessions also drove up the cost.'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and?'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but Cadillac could run them out of business if they didn't intend to gauge the customers. By selling them at a reasonable profit they would seriously damage the foreign competition. Instead they opt for making profits they don't deserve and knock themselves out of the competition. It is clear at the moment that if a Cadillac costs as much as a Lexus, people will buy a Lexus.'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'do american workers benefit?'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'not many auto companies now who don't acquire oversea parts'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'cuase you keep buying foreign'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of course, I am going to buy foreign. Why should I buy crap?'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'none at all who don't.  It's purely a matter of percentage.'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '2 dollars an hour does not equate to min wage in the usa'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and then you bitch anaristos'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'step up or shut up'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but GM pays less than that to their workers at their Mexican plant and sell those cars in the US as if they were made here.'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, they don't.'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'but are they producing something in the us?'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they absolutely do'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: ''made in china' isn't american'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that's illegal enough that if you told on them you could live a comfortable living from the payoffs.'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'do you think only models made in the US are put into the dealerships?'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'whatever spin you however you spin'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'that was jibberish'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: ''some people you just can't reach'....'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is not. The GM plants in Canada pay their workers US equivalent. The Mexican plant pays their workers about a quarter short of total crap.'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and all the cars from all the sources are sold at the same price in the US.'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'no no nooo'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, they aren't. ;)'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kamdble nods at Dokkar.
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'more reguritated vomit'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and, oh, when a Canadian GM worker wants to buy a GM car, he gets  discount. When a Mexican GM worker wants to buy a GM car, he pays US retail.'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'source?'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'again, no.'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'yell back when have'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I told you, I am not your RA, look it up yourself.'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'so its your opinion'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i don't do 'RA's'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'don't trust anything i don't see/read'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'since you don't want to post....the majority assumes you're making it up'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'don't have to assume, actually'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nods'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'never seen someone so touchy about refs/ sources'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'should listen to Fox News more.  Such people make the news every day there.'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i mean...if someone says you're wrong...they shld at least provide proof'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'fox'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kamdble snickers softly.
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'prob is...they've went too far right'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we all have to come to the middle'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'so watch or listen to different commentators.'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'every day'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if all you're catching is Mark Levine or Michael Savage, you're not getting the full character of Fox News.'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'a fool reads/listens to one side'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'hand-to-hand is a weapon :)'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'neither is kobold stench.'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '*sigh*'
T3/r3/2011-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There you go, friends shouldn't let jackasses drive drunk.....so true, so true.   He was extremely drunk and driving upwards of 140 mph when he crashed.'
T3/r3/2011-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'is bachmann just full of misinformation or what?'
T3/r3/2011-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'new packages for cigs?'
T3/r3/2011-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'opec?'
T3/r3/2011-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Itox: 'they should just ban smoking in public places'
T3/r3/2011-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'libya?'
T3/r3/2011-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'more or less have itox'
T3/r3/2011-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'was thinking today'
T3/r3/2011-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we all know that's trouble'
T3/r3/2011-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 're smoking....the issue that always comes up is hc cost'
T3/r3/2011-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Itox: 'when i walk down a street some people smoke, it annoys me. when i drive my car the guy in front might be smoking, i dont like that either'
T3/r3/2011-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'how many smokers die before there is a health issue?'
T3/r3/2011-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i hate long lines too'
T3/r3/2011-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'ex-smoker?'
T3/r3/2011-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'always the worst'
T3/r3/2011-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Itox: 'the problem with the health care costs is that they don't die overnight, their cancer bills stack up when they're sick'
T3/r3/2011-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'but what about the others who die prior to cancer?...they paid into the system as well'
T3/r3/2011-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Itox: 'they are still tying down the system with preventable diseases'
T3/r3/2011-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'shld essentially be a 'wash''
T3/r3/2011-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i follow itox'
T3/r3/2011-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'money paid in, shld be money paid out'
T3/r3/2011-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'afk'
T3/r3/2011-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'bachmann or palin?'
T3/r3/2011-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rizgoth'
T3/r3/2011-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Stab myself'
T3/r3/2011-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'don't recognize riz'
T3/r3/2011-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'vote donkey.'
T3/r3/2011-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'course....i don't 'recognize' most of the gop'
T3/r3/2011-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '4 more'
T3/r3/2011-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'From the Earth to the Moon is a good miniseries.'
T3/r3/2011-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nods'
T3/r3/2011-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'hanks'
T3/r3/2011-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The Right Stuff is a good book and movie also.'
T3/r3/2011-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'agreed'
T3/r3/2011-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'if recall, won a few awards'
T3/r3/2011-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Many good actors and actresses were in the film.'
T3/r3/2011-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'was just on amc'
T3/r3/2011-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'lots'
T3/r3/2011-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'was actually impressed'
T3/r3/2011-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'asteroid passing?'
T3/r3/2011-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'lil concerned they didn't see / advise earlier'
T3/r3/2011-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They miss 90% of them, mainly because we are not looking for them anymore.....the republicans cut the funding during bushy boys tenure.'
T3/r3/2011-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '...bleh....3 packs for $15.00...and i started at 3 for $5'
T3/r3/2011-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'ssh'
T3/r3/2011-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kamdble looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r3/2011-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'how feel about NASA / Space shuttle?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'keep NASA, but keep using the shuttle for another 2 years to finish up the replacement capsule.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'kinda agree'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'is expensive...but not sure private sector ready'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'hear testing is going well though'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'virgin guy'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'trying to recall'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We wont even be using the private sector, NASA is paying Russia $500 million a launch to let us come along....how stupid is that ?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'only til private sector'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'NASA has a contract with russia for the next 2 years, :p'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'don't mind paying russia though....they gonna be a good ally'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the capsule will be finished in 2 years.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'same as japan'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'richard brennen btw'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'NASA will be back in the rocket launch business in 2-3 years once the new capsule is finished.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'sp?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'off to the asteroid'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nods'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I heard we spent more on AC in Iraq than we do on NASA'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'wldn't doubt'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'NASA gets around $20 billion a year, Iraq/Afghan gets $150 billion.....'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'least based on the same time frame'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'weapons are expensive'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'that said, the budget has been decreased significantly over past 10 yrs or so'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, smart cruise missiles and special ops teams are much cheaper than having 150,000 troops in the countries.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nods'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'but....'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'stability in the middle east is worth it'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'hotbed....biggest'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I say triple the number of special ops teams, and get our butts out of those 2 countries...if we suspect a terrorist base...send in the UAV with hellfire missiles.....$25 million per UAV.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i agree'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we don''
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'don't need these numbers'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'few ops...drones'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'thinking is why we backing off'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '...with both eyes open and watching'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'iran is the issue'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and will be'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'n korea is going bust when kim dies'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Drones are getting so sophisticated now that we dont even really need to keep the airforce on duty over there, bring em home.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'they razor sharp'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'will never bring all of them home so long as we have an embassy'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'quantity of the cia is based in the embassy'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the Navy is even working on drone ships to launch cruise missiles to keep waterways safe.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'as to the goals of the opposition'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'that'd be interesting'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'they small?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'first thought is they wld be'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'got floatation and armor and fuel for missle'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'about 1/20th the size of a regular destroyer, and carries enough sea missiles to sink any boat, or blow up a harbor.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'ah'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'much smaller though'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but the predator drone program is probably the best investment we ever did, $15-30m per drone is a steal.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'take it out, large ships follow'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'drone is pimp'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i'd prefer we fall back on it for most everything'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'knowing it cld come anytime'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'fear is better than results'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Still use navy and air force pilots to fly them, but no need to put them in harm, or get captured.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'need video gamers to fly em'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and an unmanned vehicle could go supersonic without worry of g-forces.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'that's true'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we'll em as fast as possible'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'then the paras deploy'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and we kill those in charge in iran'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'yes yes....lke we need another war over there'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'he will fire when he has it'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'not nkorea'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I doubt iran is building nukes, it just doesnt make a lot of sense....the mullahs are much smarter than that.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'north falling after kim dies'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'dude is sick'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'def building nukes'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'or trying'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It makes a lot more sense to build nuclear power plants, so that they can sell that 1 million barrels a day of oil they currently burn to produce electricty.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'anyone studied or watched shows on nostr?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nuclear is bs'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'solar'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'everything oln '
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'on earth is powered byt'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'even you and me'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '...that's energy'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, Iran has the 3rd largest natural supply of uranium on the planet that is known about.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'behind australia and the US'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'still need centrifuges'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'iran will start the next war'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They got em from Russia, just need to build them.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and i don't expect it to be too far in the future'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, the US will start the next war to stop them from building a reactor.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'who precipates it i sure don't know'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'perhaps rix'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and then another 200,000 young americans will go to war to fight over something really stupid.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we certainly won't allow it...if we know'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '...end of the world isn't stupid'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'least two bombs'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'your dreaming :)'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and these aren't atomic'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'you will be told that there is some made-up reason to go to war'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It doesnt make fiscal sense for iran to build nuclear weapons....they dont NEED them.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'what war was 'made up''
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'all of them?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'they want them'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'sure...all of them'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We made the same mistake with Iraq, except that we listened to idiots who thought iraq was building WMD, all they had was a few cannisters of chemical weapons.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'the iraq war was because they had "weapons of mass destruction", which was obviously a lie'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'guessing we got some history BAs up in here'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'no wmd in iraq'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'had to finish his daddy's war'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'actually, the only one saying they had WMD was the us politicians. All the UN experts said they didn't.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'agreed'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'pres usa holds a lil clout'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It makes a lot moe sense for Iran to make chemical weapons than to make nukes, yet we apparently have no evidence of them doing it, yet we supposedly have 'lots' of evidence of nuke building. :p'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure :p'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nods...quarterback'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'no no...chemicals are too 'close deployed''
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'they need nukes'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Uh huh, Iran has a missile that can fly to israel now.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'yep'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'just showed us some silos'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And, as a non-us citizen, my view is that the US has to disarm it's nuclear armament before they can tell other countries not to build nukes.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Why would they bother with nukes anyway, when they can just use Pakistani suicide bombers/pilots?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'cld be a bluff though re armed....don't think so though'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'good luck ranrr'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'in the world....in a country without nukes....who wld be the first target?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nukes are just to expensive to make, and the maintenance is murder....it makes much more sense to make cheap chemical weapons and store them in bunkers for the next 50 years, and then use that uranium to produce electricty so that you can sell that 1-2 million barrels of extra oil for $200 million a day :)'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'tough question....gonna wait for answer'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'China, they pose the most risk for having the biggest military.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'murder vs murder'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'or not make WMD at all, instead spend the money on something useful?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'china will fall'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'can't feed their troops much less the population'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'NY...gay marriage?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what about it?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '....better of the two....palin or bachmann?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'uh, neither'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's like asking: "Do you prefer horse shit or dog shit?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'play nice'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am. But you ask me to choose between 2 scumbags, what am I suppose to do?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'even if Palin were straight up (which her record belies) she is not mentally equip to run ragged let alone a country.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i think so too...not sure wld help the gop'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'wld think...drive away'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <awesome> Ohm: 'she is not mentally equipped to raise a child'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'lol...be nice...but i agreed *hide*'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'not sure i've seen anyone yet who can take obama down'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if the voters are left alone (if ballot stuffing is stopped) there is no way the gop can win any major races.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'personally...i agree'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but those dead voters surely carry a big stick :)'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'majority of americans don't fit their profile'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and they love the gop!'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'saves them money...of course they do'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'dead voters don't need money...'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i hate fraud...but i expect happens on both sides'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'but then'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i don't feel anyone up there in DC represents the average American'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, it may. But so far it has benefitted republicans the most.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the democrats haven't stuffed ballots in these quantities since LBJ got elected to the senate.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'debatable'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'again...figure fraud on both sides'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'least over years'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, since Carter left office there has been only 2 democratic presidents, neither required ballot stuffing.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'agreed'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'both pimps'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '*hide*'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'be that as it may, that implies that the republicans have been doing the most ballot stuffing.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '*coughfloridacough*'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: ''you'll get florida''
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '..course...anyone present on 9/11....is gonna freak / go balistic'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Ohio was so blatant a fraud in 2008 that I don't think any thing will surprise me anymore.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'hearing ohio not being as important lately'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '2004, sorry'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'sc having probs too'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, Ohio is off the map now, they can't stuff the ballots there this time because people will be looking for it. So they have to do it elsewhere.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nods'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'first is usu always closely observed'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Florida is the obvious place since they don't use paper ballots.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'florida is prime for it'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'but...thinking demos will outnumber '
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'seem pissed on current state'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I can't believe that electronic balloting has been declared constitutional.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'agreed'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'wld be too easy to manipulate'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'course....'see chads''
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: ''...you'll get florida''
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'missing ballots?....WHAT?!'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'course....everyone wld be bitching re war re last president regardless'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'still thankful was bush'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's like saying you are thankful it was hemorrhoids '
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'can fix the 'roids'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'wait...you can do that with elections too'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not the bushroids, the US will be uberfucked for the next 20 years after that asshole left office.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'tough presidency regardless of who and party'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'is why i find that arguement funny'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'mcCain wld be screwed if was'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '8 yrs off the books....bound to suck to follow'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's BS, Clinton left the country in reasonable, if not good, shape. The next 8 years could have been cruise mode for any president. But Asshole Bush wanted his cronies to get even richer than they did under Ragan.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'clinto was a pimp'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'sex and all'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i personally respected him more after'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'happens all the time'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so what does have to do with the price of condoms in New Brunswick? '
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'made more human'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'average'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'clinton pimped, bush sucked'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'clear enough?!'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'who's gonna wind up running against Obama?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is a given that all presidents are crooked, they wouldn't have become president otherwise. But as I said, Clinton left the country in reasonable shape. You can't ask for too much more.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i agree re clinton'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'one of the best recently'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'as a liberal....reagan wasn't bad'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'not sure re some of those tax breaks though'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you've got to be kidding.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'think need to be ended'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i jest not'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'don''
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'don't be 'party bitter''
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'he did reasonable well'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'it ain't easy'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'course....nancy missed on the 'just say no' program'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'wonder what the percentage diff was?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the man that got nominal interest rates to 22%? The man who raped the California coast? The man filled the gap between the rich and the poor with emptiness, destroying the middle class? The man who busted the unions? You must be jesting.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'history'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'he had some things...but....'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '...he showed us the gap'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'always a ray of sunlight anywhere'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'if only all liberals voted'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there was no gap, the middle class, the heart of any economy was health in 1980, it died of starvation by 1988'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'reagan also shut down the federal mental health program which ended up putting 1000's of mentally ill people on the street to fend for themselves.  Such a good guy.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'but...confident obama for another 4'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'respect....'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'reagen is one and will always be a success for the GOP'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'same as a jackson'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'who sent the Indians west'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'last time the national debt was paid off....A Jackson'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and you're still bitching'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'when a person works their debt....they pay extra'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'not just 'spend less''
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'stand strong dems'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'put it on them...party of no'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we're all mostly in debt....can't pay that off with the 'minimum''
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'rich croonies?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'doh...mis'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Personally, I am debt free, but business debt, I have....:)'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'llc?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'hopefully'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, 5 of them atm.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'pimp on'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'need help re online...holla'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'be forwarned.....i'm anal'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'no jokes *mutter*'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'btw....we got any patent lawyers on?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'gonna make someone rich'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, Riszgoth, the dumping of the mentally ill onto the streets, forms the core of the homeless of the US.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i've been to rehab twice'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'you're in....and right back out'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'pysch confirms'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 're my bitching'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kamdble licks his lips and smiles.
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'healthcare in the usa is fubar'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'so far behind other advanced countries'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'health care reform means the end of many insurance companies, therefore it won't happen. If it is the choice between the rich and the people, there is no choice :)'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Would never work here, the welfare whores would run it into the ground and generally take it over'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Just look at what they do to Medicaid and whatnot.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'healthcare is here'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'vote against...instantk boot'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'butchered'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, really. but it's ok for the insurance whores to run the health care system now. Given the choice of whores, the welfare whores would save the country billions because they just want a little piece of the action.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'why is everyone stuck on 'welfare whores''
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'discuss'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Because they keep shitting loaves that they can't afford and keep draining money from the system.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'there's abuse on both sides'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'if so...not saying tis...'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'legalize and get that TAX'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'yeah yeah...send their money back home'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'but they do that anyway'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'They can get WIC, food stamps, etc.  A childfree person down on their luck will be tossed out on the street, but these welfare moocows can just shit loaf after loaf and get tons of free stuff.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'what happened to 'give me your poor, downtrodden, ....'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'you can't apply for benefits if you're illegal'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nonarguement'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Whatever happened to 'if you can't afford having a kid, don't have a kid' ?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'talk to the catholics'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'pope evAN'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'he agreed to use'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and yet...here we are'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I think CHURCHES should have to pay for all this shit.  If churches had to pay for all the babies they demand be shat, there'd be an abortion kiosk immediately behind every pulpit.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'why is the person in front of me in line using foodstamps but talking on a new white iphone'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'if a man can set up a church, within the last 50 or so years, where people 'pay to pray'....and UFOs and volcanoes are a theme....one has to question the validity of any religion'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'jealousy will send you to hell'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '...i need a reading'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'what?!'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'bachmann = palin = not a chance'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'in conclusion,....good luck GOP'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '2016....if remotely lucky'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'good question, Eureka :)'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'just catching up?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'was doing a cr :)'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the answer to that is simple: there are certain groups that buy food stamps from legitimate recipients at a discount.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'i know why..just wish there was more of a crackdown on it :P'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'where there is money involved there will always be corruption...'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'bak'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'lybia 'war'?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '*hide*'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'anything that has to do with the Middle East, has to be related to oil. That explains the US interest in the "democratization"  of Lybia.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'but we get very lil oil from libya'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'blame france'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Nah, that's us helping France and Germany out.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'With their oil.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nods'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'but re nato'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'now, you do. But not if the US has to come in and help "stabilze" the country as it did in Irak.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'have to back that shit up'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'let the others fail...then we can work it'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'don't head into a big game without your qb'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'when the oil in the Middle East runs out the US will suddenly find that Russia is been plotting against the West for many years now and must be invaded...'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'saudi will break prior to'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'send iran into oblivion'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'We'll have to beat China to the punch.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'let's see... does Iran have oil? Yes, send Iran into oblivion.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'lol mor'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'they already bitching re opec re saudi and us and others releasing oil'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, Morinon. Why do you think the US has such keen interest in Iraq, Iran and Afhganistan? Look at the map.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'can def be crippled'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'saudi the key'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Doesn't give us a foothold on the road to Siberia.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Japan and Korea, sure.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'mid east is nothing....except iran'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'those 3 countries form a horizontal platform where the US can launch against Russia to the North or China to the South.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'china and nkorea'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'gotta work me'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'm.e.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Yes, but we don't get to go anywhere strategic from them.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's why Hussain had to be 'stopped", that's why the Taliban must be "stopped", that's why Iranians must be "stopped".'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'There's all these damn mountains in the way.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'drones!!'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I mean, sure, we can fly over them.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Have you looked into how well we can fly our armor?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US wants to control southeast Asia so that it can control Russia and China.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'A hint: we really can't.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i don't like bush...but...against all my will.....we had to go into iraq for al Queda'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you mean without the Chinese intercepting? :)'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Iran, Iraq, and Afghanistan do not SE Asia make.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sorry, not SE Asia. South Asia.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Do not South Asia make.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'one world people'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'There's INDIA in the way.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'going to be too late shortly'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'And the HIMALAYAS'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I suggest you look at the map, those 3 countries are smack in the middle of South Central Asia.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'that's why paki established re india'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'No, the are South WEST Asia.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not Irak and Iran but they are in line with Afghanistan.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'm.e.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'We can maybe aim at the Central Asian republics.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'to the north, and China to the South.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'China is EAST of these places.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'EAST.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'THROUGH INDIA'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'again...paki was meant to separate the two'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of course is not due South, Morinon.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'due to india persecution'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but if the US went to war with China, Afghaistan would make an ideal platform.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Look, if what you said made actual GEOGRAPHICAL SENSE, I would give... NO.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'agreed'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Japan would.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'And Korea.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'but we have more'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nods...sk'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Afghanistan works for Russia.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'israel'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'But not for China.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'brit, france, germany'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so you rather fly from Japan into China, than from Afghanistan. It's like saying you want to attack the Northern US from Cuba.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'rather than from Canada'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i'm not a conspiracist but....you gotta wonder'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'What you're saying is that by driving over the north pole you can reach the US.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'world is getting crazy'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Yes, it is possible.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'But stupid.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'And nowhere near as close as Canada is.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sorry, Morinon. Not all Canada is near the North Pole.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'if you don't start in the us that is'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'but yes...we'd go over the poles'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Sorry, Anaristos, but Afghanistan to China is like North Pole to USA.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the point is, that China is big, at least as big as the US. So just attacking it from Japan will not do the trick.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Because the options are ZOMG MOUNTAINS.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wrong'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Or Russia.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'And unless we want to fight BOTH Russia and China.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'We aren't even going through Kazakhstan.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'russia isn't a threat anymore'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'imagine they'd back us up most anytime'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon pats Kamdble on his head.
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'esp against china'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'That's cute, but doesn't understand Russia.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'common sense'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Doesn't apply to Russia.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'opinions...like...'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Russia is still one of the most xenophobic countries out there.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'mine too'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Afghanistan has a border with China even if it is a very narrow one. The point being is that it is not far from China.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'china knows it has no where to go'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the Chinese are not running :)'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Anaristos... that's through the himalayas.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nor is the usa'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they were around before the US existed and will probably outlive the US.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'communism wasn't'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '...time'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'it always fails'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Communism is merely the latest mandate of heaven to rule in China.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'til the peeps rise up'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'hopefully before the nukes'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'communism, communism, what does that has to do with anything. The type of government has nothing to do with it. If it did the US wouldn't be in Iraq.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'what's iraq have to do with china?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'nothing but you think that the type of government in China has something to do whether they go to war or not.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Oh, hah, no.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nope...i never said that'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you said "commuism" a la 1980's'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'He was just saying that the latest chinese dynasty is relatively new.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'china will end up being our best ally'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nods morinon'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'If and only if we roll over for it.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'same with china and communism'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Which is unlikely at the moment.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'us rolls over for no man/country'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, you cannot stop the industrialization of China unless you reduce it to rubble first.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'quit buying that crap'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i check every item for the 'made in''
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'China has natural resources coming out of their thingie :)'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'natural resources run out'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I still think the next likely MAJOR power war is Russia vs China.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'only thing they working is rare elements'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'A mix of lebensraum and strategic/natural resources.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US has tons of rare elements also, but it is cheaper to get it from china and other places atm.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'of course...what isn't cheaper from china'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'And if Russia is smart, they'll ask us to help.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'tariffs people'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, true, but that is happening to the US now, China, by being underdeveloped has been able to conserve. Why do you think the US is so aggressive now militarily? Becasuse it needs to secure resource founts before it is too late.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'but/.....that's not true'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'china has more'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'China has more what?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'China is raising their prices of rare elements though, and because of that, a rare earths mine has reopened in california.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'rare elements'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'untapped natural resources'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'shake...rare elements'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'although i guess that's the same re nat resources'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why sell the stuff when they can use it for the same things others want to use it?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'So, here's why if we attack China, we attack it from Taiwan/Korea/Japan/Philippines.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'not stopping our decline if you continue to buy 'made in china'....or allow tariffs to continue'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if they don't do it from Afghanistan, the Russians and the Chinese will become allies.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'not attacking china'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Because we want to hold their population centers, prevent their army from building.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Yeah, no.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'fat chance'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Russia and China couldn't be allies when they shared ideals.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'will be our biggest ally in the future3'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Afghanistan has trillions of dollars of rare earth elements, and other minerals that can be exploited someday.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'russia is weak'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you think the Chinese and Russians can not become allies? What do you think will happen to Russia if the US defeats China?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'not disagreeing'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'china holds the lead atm'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Anaristos, your idea of invading China from Afghanistan about comes out to driving a tank over Mt Everest. Yes, it could be done, but it would be stupid and prohibitively expensive.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we need elephants!!!'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and I tell you another thing, Japan is easing itself out of the US shadow. Watch out.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'And vinegar.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'japan won't leave us'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'smack dab in communist country'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Japan might do that if we weren't more or less shielding them from China.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'indeed'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'japan can't go anywhere'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Basically, Japan has pissed off all their neighbors.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'china?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, they will hold on now because of the disaster. It will take them years to recover. But if you think they are happing kissing the US's ass, you are wrong.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we'd piss them off'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'China, Korea, Russia...'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '...and yet...if there was a prob...they'd yell'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Japan and China are hereditary enemies.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nods'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Nobody's happy kissing ass.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Doesn't mean you won't do it when it's reasonable to do so.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'much earlier....but only have to look to wwii'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'you do what you have to morinon'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Japan has almost always been an aggressive militaristic country.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'And then the US came in.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and the us isn't?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Not to the level Japan was.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'or any colonial power?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'The US is not a traditional colonial power.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'japan conquered very lil'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well... they actually wanted to be left alone. They only dealt directly with the Dutch. But the US implemented the Open Door policy at gun point and the rest is history.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kamdble sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Yeah, just most of China, Korea, most of the Pacific Islands, they still want Hawaii back...'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'the usa wasn't a colonial power?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Not a traditional one.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'k'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, the US was rather docile until the revolution.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'except for some pirating now and then.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'doesn't mean they weren't a colonial power'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'We're not getting tribute. We're not installing puppet governors any more, and that was only a brief thing. We were pretty isolationist until WWII'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Don't forget that the US and its allies embargoed fuel to Japan. That precipitated the crisis.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'colonial power is a reference to the 'colony''
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the colonial power in the hemisphere was Spain. With competition from the British.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'A colonial power gets more from its colonies than we do.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we wldn't have revolted if we weren't a 'power''
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and we certainly we 'colonial''
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'butchered'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Ummm. You're really misunderstanding what is meant by 'colonial power''
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'doubt it'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we were a colony that had power'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Yeah, no.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'ops'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'A colonial power is a power that MAKES colonies.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'assholes'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'everyone has'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there wasn't such thing as colony with power. The primary nations would not allow that.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'And then exploits those colonies, usually by putting them as 2nd-class citizens.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'what?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why do you think the separation from the mother country was so violent?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'if we didn 't have power...we'd still be english'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'because we had power'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '..same reason i won't fight overseas...'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's exactly what the revolutionaries wanted to be. They actually didn't want to start a new country. Britain forced their hand.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '..but i dare you to step on our shores'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Yeah, you are completely misreading what we're talking about.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'As much as I hate ad hominem attacks, are you like 5?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '*sigh*'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'England was a colonial power. And we were a colony of that power.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'I like 5'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'We revolted.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'I love lamp'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, chuft likes 5 year old donkeys'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'But that didn't make us a colonial power.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'how'd we take them if we didn't have power?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the colonies didn't revolt against English rule, they revolted against the treatment of the Crown.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'still irrelevant I am afraid'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'A colonial power is not a colony with power. It's a power that makes an exploits colonies.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'true anar'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'you , you, and you, fuck off, we're having tiffin'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they wanted a more equitable set up and they would have still remained British.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Prolonged guerilla warfare.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'they wanted representation'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'True, Anar.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'who knows where we'd be if they'd granted'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '*cough Canada cough*'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'canada rules.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'healthcare at least'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'no, rizers, we rule canada :)'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'that and you can by pot seeds'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'canada has more guns per capita than the US....'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '...and toke some places'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and a lower crime rate.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'really?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i'm from south....don''
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'know very few peeps without guns'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'matter of fact....was read the ca ban/overturn on video games'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'were comparing to guns'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'if the canadians all have uns, could you kindly go burn down the white house again?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'said....'..a 13yo doesn't own a gun...''
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'sorry'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'that's soooo wrong'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'it's overdue'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'uns?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'guns, I haven't had coffee yet so fuck you :P'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i didn't bitch'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '*grin*'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'mmm...java'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Iron Duck Chuft )
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'tell me you drink 'black''
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'now I have coffee so I can go back to putting johnny foreigner in his place! :P'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '*rub*'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Excellent. We're attacking Klatch.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'we're attacking? that's not the english way, we just buy everything and end up accidentally owning a good percentage of the planet'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'but we gave it back, quit moaning :P'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Psh. Riiight.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'That is how much of America was made subjects of the crown. But not certain other places.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'shh, they haven't noticed all those governor generals in two generations :P'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'well, the yank revolution was all the nutty king's fault'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'agreed'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'the guy who talked to trees'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'was some motion to give them seats in parliament but the guy had a heart attack before he could give his speech'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'anyone following this aussie /cig battle?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'stealing...'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '...'gotta collect them all...''
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'bachmann?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'batman'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'both are'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'legalize it?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'afk'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'gay marriage in ny?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'why is this a big deal?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'thought we weren't based on religion'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'bachmann?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'wait...bachmann or palin?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'hope you all vote'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you already asked that.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'yep'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'changes based on peeps'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'ignore jexe though'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'bachmann vs palin'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'wait'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'deja vu'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Your mom vs. Cthulhu'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'talented starling'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'heh, why are people so interested in offshore tax shelters?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why do people pay taxes to buy resorts they'll never see in foregin nations?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'The pervasiveness of corporate secrecy on America's shores stands in stark contrast to Washington's message to the rest of the world. Since the September 11 attacks in 2001, the U.S. has been calling forcefully for greater transparency in global transactions, to lift the veil on shadowy money flows. During a debate in 2008, presidential candidate Barack Obama singled out Ugland House in the Cayman Islands, reportedly home to some 12,000 offshore corporations, as "either the biggest building or the biggest tax scam on record." Yet on U.S. soil, similar activity is perfectly legal.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'yea'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'dont you forget it'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you must have been reading about the place in Wisconsin, Dakkar :)'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Wyoming'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'somewhere in the W's, I remember :)'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: '1207 Thomes Street, Cheyenne, Wyoming.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I wonder how many of those are or were related to Bernie Madoff?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what do you think about science, that sacrifices human corpses for eugenics studies in unborn proportions of nationalitity, and doesn't address such pressing concerns as greed versus sustenance and deterioration versus mortality'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we are immortal, after god kills us he will remember that and pop us up for a second helping of death'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'pardon the schizophrenia, i'm trying to crack their skulls to see what looks out from them'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'guys: little triangles.  Girls: everything else.'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'show me the most evil thing in known existance and i'll test it to death against what i observe to be more or less evil'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'your mom?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'possibly, without her i am, within i wasn't'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'every horror in reality can be traced back to earth'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'rocks and elements don't experience horror'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'unless they're being erased, and they have no expression for it'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you think about it, women are a cover up, they cover the nothing you are with your flesh, givng you a identity, they cover up others and do the same, they cover themselves up to cover up your penis through their lusts'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in the book of genesis women are a creature of dream after adam dies'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hiding the desolation of reality, cause he's all alone in hell'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think women all share the same head, they all show signs of that'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why would i make peace with satan?'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'rock that you say you own, and your office says you own and your military says you own with your cops'
T3/r3/2011-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's all done through retardation of the satanically device'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ego te absolvo pecatis tuis...'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, some people are too stupid to be rich....a multi millionaire in california got a life insurance policy with the beneficiary being his current gf...well, she and her new bf killed him for the money.'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell.'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Liathum: 'Beer always tastes better when its hot outside, yeah.'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'beer tastes the best when it's hot inside. like in a sauna'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Liathum: 'I don't drink inside, makes me feel odd.  Probably why I'm always outside....'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you don't drink inside the sauna room. you drink when you get out'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Liathum: 'That makes sense.'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'first 110 degree sauna, then 4 degree water applied from the outside and then 4 degree beer applied from the inside'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'fucking awesome'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Liathum: 'That's a lot of numbers for beer.'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'heh, that's temperature in celsius'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the beer i drink is 5.2% vol'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Liathum: 'The beer I drink comes from Wal-Mart.'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir comforts Liathum.
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Liathum thanks Seltsimees Dagnir heartily.
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i've never even seen a wal-mart :P'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I only drink 40% abv liquor.'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Liathum: 'They also don't sell it after 2am here :('
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '40% abv or higher'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Liathum: 'Or any alcohol for that matter.'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'they don't sell it after 10pm here'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Liathum: 'There are even some counties that don't sell alcohol at all.'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Liathum sobs in misery.
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Liathum: '10pm? That's early, can't even get a buzz before dancing at the clubs then.'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you can just go to a pub after that'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Liathum: 'Oh, the laws don't affect pubs there?'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'of course not. we're one of the biggest drunkards in europe'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'porthos is a prime example'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Liathum: 'I'm kind of jealous.  Pubs/Clubs here stop selling at 2am too. '
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'ah, here they can go for 24 hours'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Liathum: 'Oh so freaking cool.  I'm moving there.'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but stores can sell from 10 till 22'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Liathum: 'And on Sundays, most counties can't sell 'til after noon or 1pm.'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Liathum boggles at the concept.
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'bleh'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'however, on some holidays they'll stop the sales after 14-16 or so'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'to avoid bigger casualties'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Liathum: 'Holidays follow the same hours, I think, I'm pretty sure.'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Liathum: 'They've opened up some clubs that allow you to bring your own alcohol and they store it for you...so they don't have to have a "last call" at 2am, which  is nice.'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Liathum: 'But they're more popular with the..younger..crowd.  Which, not so nice.'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That cash for clunkers bullshit was the worst thing to happen to the used car market, now used vehicles cost almost as much as new ones.'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The typical American family has fallen far behind and America risks a "lost decade," economist Justin Wolfers warns.'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'he must not have noticed that the typical American family has made minimal progress since the early 70s..'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'ignorance sells doesn't it?  with ignorance you can make a dollar bill worth a million lives or a millino dollar bills equalling one life, the people who detail the money system's won't miss details like that by accident, they're not the one's on the short end of the stick after all and by making sure nobody else understands that the stick isn't worth nothing without imagination's holding it up, the stick has all the more value'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'using the power of zen ignorance, imaginative millino page story book written in between games of craps'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i never listen to the economic sayings on tv with any degree of actual interest '
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'watching the news or something'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a lump of opium sells for 1000 bucks for a tenth of the volum of an equal amount of cotton which is worth a thousandth of the price'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'economic pressures are causing farmers to grow illegal substances to pay for the values of the products that they require to exist with while meeting the demands that their local economies place on them'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'economics = pure bullshit'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '(to me)'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the world's alot like maybe you and your kid brother, he's younger than you and you have the authority, the less he knows the better you know, the better he knows is then the more you have'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's how these older generations treat people, selectively breeding societies like horses or cattle'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how much is water worth to a man chasing a mirage in a desert?  and how little it's worth to a man drilling for oil'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'especially when it's on somebody elses proximity'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'show me one richest oil baron in the world who drills oiil from his back yard'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or consumes water and produce gotten from land that does'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'their little area's are all little sanctuary's from the madness that they cause to all others in making theirs more shiny'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just like that golem in lord of the rings there'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how much is oil Worth?  lets ask the stick man'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how many lumps of opium for this jug of 10w40?'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if i saturate my cotten in oil, will it near the value of opium in volume?'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'opium makes you dizay, it's very very speshal'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it gets sold even though it's illegal, cause it wasn't ever meant to be not sold'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the market master's over at 10 w 40 lane have set its price on high so that more blood is shed than would e done for cotton, which unfortunately, lacks the dissaying affects of oipium'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'your dizzy is worth 10 million cops and a side offer from monsanto for their dissay?'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that there piece of dizzy is r worth 100 dollars for other dizzays'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i heard it on tv'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you got the dizzy?  yea you got the stuff?'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'let me pull out my atm card and i'll be with you again'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'interac on the dizzy is only available in 1% of nation's'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'otherwise you have to pay with credit cards and other material values'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why i'm the only one that see's how foolish it can seem is beyond me'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'life if you beat your head against a wall, you get dizzy, and if you beat it hard enough, you knock yourself out'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and here's opium, which does both without the banging of heads'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and people charge people for how much of a dizzy they get in the processing powers of the dizzy agent'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and other people decide that getting dizzy is just immoral unlike sodomy and goatsecks'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so we have dizzy agent agents that look for propagaters of the dizzifying affects of the markets dizzy'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not saying it's right, but if you never knew that salvia could get you stoned, would you try to eat the flowers in your bed?'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or your neighbours flower bed'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's millions upon millions of combinations of unknown and known substances that can get you imparied'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and with the impairment and the closed-source propagation and procuration of the end products, to augment the market values, and the glorification of its affects, associated times and cool-factor of rebellion or glorification, aside from natural uses that mayve been done for thousands or billions of years - you end up with some more of that imaginary dollar'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this here weed is worth more than a million bottles of pepsi'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'today's kind of organized crime and drug dealing has alot to do with the market, and shares alot in common with the concepts of gold-digging where you search for that special nugget and make the one's for sale worth so much more by not sharing too many nuggets'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i wonder if there are any businessmen out there who don't have a hand in it'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's how it seems, or can seem'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like you get hired to build a house, and get paid by time spent - do you fix the computer right away or make sure there's sufficient problems to keep you occupied for a little extra pay?'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'business trends ^^, maybe ubiquitous'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you got paid by how little time it took you to finish it would be different, but they would trend towards the same tendency of maximizing value of effort spent'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like a million millinoairre never worked a day in his life, but paid the people at the office to make his mega millions into giga millions'
T3/r3/2011-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'his value per effort spent approaches negative infinity and infinity'
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How these moron police figure out street prices for pot is freaking hilarious.....$160,000 for 25 lbs of pot.  That is one hell of a good price!'
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'street price for pot here is 20 euros for a gram. i get mine for 15 which is still too fucking expensive'
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so 25lbs of pot would cost 329k usd on the street here'
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and that's sad :'('
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Shuli raises an eyebrow.
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I think amanda knox was railroaded by the italians because the italians suck at police investigation.'
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why is it that when US citizens get convicted of crimes overseas the claim of foul i always made?'
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Nah, but the italians suck at investigating, and corruption is pretty high.'
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, as opposed to Chicago or Los Angeles, for instance.'
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Have you guys ever even heard of forensics ?'
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'because, of course, incompetents only work for foreign police departments which are always plagued by corruption. Unlike US law enforcement.'
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrmidon Calamar: 'You got something against the US Anaristos? Why is it when one American does something bad overseas, ALL of America must be at fault? Pretty sure it works both ways there, chief.'
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, forensics expert, tell me what in your expert opinion is the problem.'
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh sure, lets accuse her of a crime based on a confession made after an extremely long interrogation in a cold police room.  You guys would make the torturers at abu graib, however you spell it proud.'
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I have nothing against the US, I have something about hypocrisy. I still remember seeing Midnight Express which made a hero out of a convicted felon, just because he was a US citizen.'
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrmidon Calamar: 'And anyone who bought into has less than average intelligence.'
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, I realize not all police are perfect, such as the morons who let oj simpson go free, but some things just do not smell right.'
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so what? He go nothing worse than the citizens of said country would get for the same crime, so what is the whining for?'
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no only that, he was warned that that would happen if he got caught.'
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'was bored, so trying to get a stupid argument going. :p'
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and as for interrogations... you think that police departments conduct civilized interviews with people they think are guilty? What the Italians did was the same thing that would have been done here.'
T3/r3/2011-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't know if the masq AQ is still active.'
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'why are there commercials and donators sending money to kids overseas when we have children here in the usa that need help?'
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'think a person can break their neck while trying to pop the joints?'
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'libya attacking european targets?'
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'minnesota government shutdown?'
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Kamdble, you have to stop drinking.'
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i wish'
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'not bad tonight'
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'but....was just looking for feedback'
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'btw...my parents are both dying....thus the drink'
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i had stopped'
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'numb and no thoughts'
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'but i do like a good debate'
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'gay 'marriage' in ny?'
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'that looks wrong re marriage'
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'hold tight obama / demos'
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'you don't get out of debt without increasing your revenue'
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'not sure why that's so hard to comprehend'
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There is water in the basement and the pilot light is out.'
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Woo, go Illinois, getting rid of the death penalty permanently.'
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I must be the only person who hasnt played angry birds.'
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're one of three'
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'never played it.'
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'don't even know what it is...'
T3/r3/2011-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Cowboys and Aliens.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Mao's Last Dancer is a good movie.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Mao's last dancer was young, hot and lucky he was too old.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Mao and Ghandi had one thing in common. They both surrounded themselves with young, nubile women at night to prove they were above temptation.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos goes, "SUUUUUUUURE...."
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I would like for someone to run that experiment on my for one night...'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'am i wrong in assuming that a person with 2 phds that is a kremlinologist studies people and not architecture?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the kremlin is a place and a government'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'did you mean criminalist?  Ie, law enforcement?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'no no. they studied under some professer donaldson before he retired'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar yeah, the kremlin's that big palace like thing by st basils'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I assume it's 'criminologist', not 'kremlinologist'.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they're probably a specialist on the russian government, then, rather than a specialist on russian architecture.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dokkar thats what i was thinking. since ' ology' usually means a science like tie in'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'It means 'study of'.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'ology = the study of'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'like paleontology... otonatarology and so on?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'from the greek root 'logos'.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'oh. study of'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'For 'word'.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so they could study all things kremlin. including architecture then'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Likely a study of Russian government.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yeah. that seemed like it would be a more useful thing to study'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Russian/Soviet.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'here let me find that professer they studied under'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'he probably has a bio someplace online'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Donaldson? I've heard that name wrt Russia.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Robert H Donaldson?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'found it. www.utulsa.edu/academics/.../RobertHDonaldson.aspx'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yeah. wow did you google him too'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I googled 'Russia Donaldson'.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'oh. debate i googled tulsa university donaldson'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Heh.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but anyways, i think that was kremlinology, not criminology.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon, what was your field of study?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Mine is astrophysics.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I just lived in Russia.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'And pick up info everywhere.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'can you explain blackbody radiation in a way i would understand?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Sure.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'cool'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'what did you get to see in russia? '
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Basically, blackbody radiation is caused by atoms hitting each other at such a great level that we can treat it as dipole radiation. That last bit is just how we figure out the math.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hmn.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'does it matter if the atoms are particularly heavy?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Since temperature is essentially kinetic energy, we can work out the average energy lost due to collision.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Because we're working on lost energy, we can safely ignore weight of atoms.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ok. so we're focusing more on energy losses, more than on mode of transmission?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'The blackbody spectrum is basically a function of the energy loss based on temperature.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ok'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Since each wavelength of photon has its own energy.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'does that imply that i will need to take calculus?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'It's pretty useful to do so, yes.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'k'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'the wave length of the photo depends on which of the surfaces and bands is resonating doesnt it?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'photon* ?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'If you're wanting to fully understand it. If you just want to plug numbers, you can just use the formula.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'oh. i'm not good at plugging numbers. i tried that once i think for algebra'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'That's for alterations to the spectrum we see.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Like the hydrogen lines.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hmn.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Those are caused by hydrogen absorbing light in those wavelengths.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'AFAIK, there are no perfect blackbody radiators.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ok, but since each sub atomic particle has its own 'mass' doesnt that imply that it has its own physical structure, and therefore that each surface of that structure would have its own resonance and wave characteristics, or does that stop when things get small enough?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'As to Russia, I've been to Red Square, didn't go into the Kremlin, St Basil's or even Lenin's tomb. However, in St Petersburg, I was in the Hermitage as well as the Summer Palace.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'oh. there was a line at that tomb. so it was lenins? i didnt get close enough to see'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'blackbody radiation is basically a statistical aggregate.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ok... so you wouldn't want a more refined elimination of the energy radiated?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'The actual mechanics of blackbody are not what I told you, but what I told you was something you could build on. Much as how Newton's mechanics are not what's actually going on, but are enough to start.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'k'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I first started to understand how blackbody actually works once I learned the mechanics of dipole radiation. 3rd year physics class at Uni.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i thought dipole radiation followed maxwell's rules?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i guess i just need to get some college =('
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Well, yes, all E&M does. Maxwell's equations are all calc-based.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yeah... everything seems to want calculus'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'They're a series of integrals and differentials.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Calculus is how you actually understand algebra and geometry.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'last time i looked at an engineering textbook it had all sorts of weird symbols and radical lines with weird squiggles.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but i dont know anybody that teaches calculus for free in their spare time.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and i'm under a liberal arts degree heading'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so i probably won't learn it anytime soon'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'What field?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'the ' i need a degree so i can get a job interview for a job that requires a pre-requisite college education''
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'field.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Ah.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'The 'I'm not actually getting a job once I graduate' field.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i think right now i am a business + international relations persons. but it seems to change rather fluidly'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Oh, that's an actually useful field.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'And in business, it's worthwhile to pick up calculus.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon the ' i'm going to college because my advisor at the v.a.'s chapter 31 v.a. voc rehab program thinks i need college before he'll refer me to job placement dvop person at state office that just refers you to online job ads as if you were on unemployment, which im not''
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'not the ' i'm 18 and going to college because i slept through high school' field'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Ah.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Well, hey, at least you're getting the GI Bill, right?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'nope! my g.i. bill benefits are ' on hold' waiting for an 'appeal' from some office on northwest i street in washington dc'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'wtf.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'welcome to the obama era =('
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'That's not Obama, that's just bureaucratic bullshit.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'under the authority of his cabinet.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I've heard stories like that dating back 10+ years.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and the secretary he picked'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yea i dont think thats anything new'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yes, its quite common to have stuff dumped into an appeal.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Bureaucrats are the people with power that lasts more than 4 years.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but he signed the particular law that entered into title 18 us code and whose administration is 'fing with my s''
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: '38*'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'title thirty eight'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'not eighteen'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Hmm.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon, i dont want a 4 year appeal. i want to move forward w/ life?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon nods.
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and get the sort of job that will let me pay for health care.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'because if i had health care, i would have an improved quality of life'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'instead. i get to wait for an appeal, and watch taxpayers get billed for 'non health care''
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but... its not like its specifically my tax dollars...'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I would be fine with paying european-level taxes if I got european level benefits out of it.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'did you know, that a v.a. dental clinic, for example, can bill taxpayers over 600 dollars, and not even have to run a dental probe ( that hook thing) over your teeth? for an exam'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Ouch.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Why in Oklahoma? That where your tour ended?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'no, came out here for school'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'got accepted to www.spartan.edu'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Ah.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Nice.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'they had me sign papers to certify for gi bill benefits under both 30 and 33! ( which was new at the time)'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'problem.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so now. i can't use 30. and i have to wait for an appeal to use 33.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'v.a. won't let me just use 30... instead of waiting for an appeal. fun. not.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'There are times I want to get an automated nut-kicking machine, and just send it to DC.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon, don't forget the extension cord'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon, so instead of using gi bill benefits, and studying something in keeping with my interests and aptitudes'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i instead had to get approval of a ch 31 advisor'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tried to get direct employment, no. you need to study business. my friend in the gun industry studied business, and uses his language skills to augment his career on a regular basis'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: '... come to think of it, his friend in the gun industry might be handy with that earlier question'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Extension cord? This thing will run off an internal battery.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so... business or wait for extended eval.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon, will it have more than 300 watt hours? you won't be able to send it via the air if it does'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Oh, this thing will walk.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'k'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I have personally found that you can get through a lot of bureaucracies by making yourself enough of an issue that they will help you just to shut you up.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so... after about 6 months of repeating the gun industry friend basis for my degree major to teachers, professers, v.a. certifiying staff at the school, and so on'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'the v.a. certifying school person talked to my advisor. and told him what i was saying. ( which happened to be verbatim, i wrote it down.)'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and he finally agrees to evaluate a different training plan/major'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and says that we're not going to ' pretend' that the first one was his idea.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Most of the military folks I knew in my major were navy.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon, hmn, well, there's not much one can do if you dont have phone numbers for the right places'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon, nothing like an hlv tube to make them want to study physics?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Oh, I think most of them were nukes, doing this before OSC, or ROTC.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon, yes. and nukes... get to work in or on hlv tubes?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I don't recall specifics. I do know that most of the nuke engineers like to screw with those who know crap about nuclear power.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'isn't it usually just a seebeck effect?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'like dropping ping-pong balls around the reactor and asking ratings to go in and clean up the neutrons.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'lol!'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i had a math teacher once who had ping pong balls with + and - electron charges on them in velcro'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'we didnt learn a single thing with them, but they were in the metal cupboard he kept other supplies in.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'by the way, does the navy still let enlisted personnel try to strike for ratings?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'i believe so'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and getting back to point, i am to the point where the advisor has ' encouraged ' me to pursue the established business plan, by attending some 13,000 a semester private university, utulsa.edu iirc.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but... business / training plan'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'is not really something that i see value in... basically i need ' any degree' to get into an entry level position to where he'll refer me over to the placement side of things'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so in that sense, it makes sense.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but... 13k a semester in tax dollars to study something that doesnt interest me...'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and erodes months of entitlement from v.a. educational and rehab programs'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Yeah...'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'seemed kind of silly.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'on the other hand, it's a nice school, lots of nice professers who are passionate about their fields'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'whom?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Who. Nominative.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'k.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so... if i pursue that plan, i can attend that school, get the stipend...'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'until timothy geithner finishes having his retirement blocked, and shutters certain government programs, including the ch 31 office in a month and a half'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon, what would you do?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Personally? I'd say 'screw you' to most of them and figure out what /I/ want to do in college.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yes. i know several fields of interest to me'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but colleges, much like landlords. like to be paid'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'But I'm someone who basically kept at something until I succeeded.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'There's non-GI financial aid as well.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon, yes, partial.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'they only put up about 1560 usd per semester'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Depends on how much taxable income you made in the previous year.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I made zero, and thus got a full ride.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'zero.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Although it may be harder now.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hmn. maybe so'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'what century was this ?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'which*'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'This was 09/10 school year.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'oddly enough, the financial aid gets reported by the school as taxable income'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hmn. this was 10/11 school year'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Balances out to zero.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'If you are paying a net of zero on taxes.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Then you have zero you have to contribute to school.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: '10/11 is more than 9/10?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon, thats not the way my SAR came back'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'gave me a 4k efc'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and... that spartan.edu school couldn't process it even when i brought in a paper SAR... and wanted me to take out a private loan'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Spartan is a private, isn't it?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): VampireDude mutters something under his breath that does not involve midgets, nuns, or catoblepas tails.
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon, yes. its owned by a set of investors that have gotten a nice return on the investment over the last 40 years'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i think they could've maybe tried to upgrade their facilities a bit, but they didnt go that route'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'its just as well that i didnt attend, but i think that i would've liked to have gotten somewhere for my time'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i also didnt get my money back on the shirt 'school uniform''
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'maybe i should ebay it.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'or mail it to burkina faso.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon snickers softly.
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'What do you want to do in college?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I might be able to point you in the right directions.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i want to get a degree so i can get a good job so i can get health care so i can get an improved quality of life'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mikejs: 'move to canada, bam, done.  next'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon snickers softly.
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Seriously, what field interests you?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'mikejs how much does it cost to live in canada?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Also worth looking into: scholarships.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon, i am single, white, male, not interested in nursing. the scholarship lists go down sharply'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'You'd be surprised.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i've had fastweb since the mid 90s.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mikejs: 'umm, it depends where you live?  major cities, a 1 bedroom condo can be like 400k+ (ie: toronto), smaller cities, you can get a decent detached house for like 150k'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'mikejs ok, how do you afford that without college and a good job'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Talk to school advisors about scholarships.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon i've done that.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'talked to a military recruiter about them too.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I don't mean general advisors.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'find the field you want, and talk to that field's undergrad advisor.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Because there are scholarships everywhere.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon, not all fields have compartmentalized advisors'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'At any decently-sized Uni, they do.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon yes, i've seen many scholarships for persons already enrolled and attending.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'At a private school, not so much.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i've seen nice yellow-ribbon program participating schools.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'the highest i've ever gotten in scholarship awards was 10k, but that school was private and 10k was a drop in the bucket'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mikejs: 'you can make a lot of money without a degree... sometimes a lot more than you would if you had one, doing skilled trades, etc'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'It's VA bullshit he's dealing with, Mikejs.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'mikejs yes. good thought.  what's a good skilled trade for someone with poor physical health and limits of walking, lifting, etcetera'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'As for that, programming.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon, my hindi is not very good'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but ok, so how hard is it to learn programming to the level required for the jobs, without a course?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Don't need hindi for programming.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'most of the jobs for programmers are outsourced, or highly dependant on experience?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'If you have the inclination, you can get the tools for messing around with C++ free from Microsoft.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and since i dont know ansi C, lisp, or even pascal...'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon, is that better than the borland C shell?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'You can find online tutorials.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Very few places are looking for C programmers, as opposed to C# or C++'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ok. online tutorials in programming will get me to the level required to get the job?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mikejs: 'an entry level job, and then work your way up from there'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'They'll at the least get you to the level where you can mess around.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon, i am not in the mood to mess around. i am in the mood to get qualified to get a job that pays well enough to get health care'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'The best way to learn how to program is to go: "I would love it if I had a program that did x." Then find out how to do so.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i would love to have a program that would pay me well enough to get health care?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'That just gives you enough personal experience to get an entry-level job. If the program sells, even better.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'okay ...'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so are we talking what kind of payscale'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Basic programming somewhere... Probably start off in the 30k/year range.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'gross?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Yeah, gross.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'But most of those jobs come with some level of health benefit.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so roughly 2300 a month if no deductions for 401k or 457f or so on?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Sounds about right.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hmn.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I've worked out my personal minimum net needs to live on my own. Comes out to about 25k net/year.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Sadly, even the places that traditionally hire physics majors aren't hiring me atm.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hmn. what... places are those?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Locally? Boeing, Microsoft.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'that 30k a year deal would put me in the minimum range to get a car loan. wouldn't qualify me for a home loan.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'you're near renton eh?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Lots of places are demanding 5 years of experience for fields that have been around 2-3 years tops.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon nods.
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'nice area, i always take a wrong turn at the bridge'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Which bridge?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i dont know.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: '520? 90?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hmn. it is east-west'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'So one of those two.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and has a small spillway. a foot bridge. and a car lane'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: '90, I think.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and then a series of access roads, highways, and places to make wrong turns'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Hmm.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Not sure then.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i guess i'll have to get a gps someday.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Often in the Seattle area?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'no. not lately.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'looked at going to a school up there a few years ago'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'had nice red brick in between the buildings'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Sounds like the UW.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yep.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'had its own parking garages, very spiffy.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so programming pays poorly... and doesnt meet with my aptitudes or interests.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i wonder if business would be better'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'since it is already approved, and would not require me to rock any boats'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'What does meet your aptitudes/interests?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'things that require 1 year of grad school or a masters degree.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Like?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'things like architecture for example'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'So go after that. Or something like it.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'It may be harder, but it's what you want to do.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon. it costs money. if i had a job that paid the kind of money such schools cost. i wouldnt need school'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'You'd be surprised where you might be able to get money to pay for what you want to do.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yes. i will be surprised.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I have, for a while, lived by the following ideas: Do what you want to do, it's the world's job to move around you, not visa-versa. With that attitude, people have build and destroyed empires.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'built, even'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i don't have time to destroy empires right now.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Hey, I doubt that's necessarily what you want to do.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'But there's the thing.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Once you believe you cannot do a thing, you have limited yourself from doing it.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon, oh, i think i could do it, but that the teachers would want to get paid'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'You'd find a way.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i think even if i lived in communist china, the teachers would want to get paid'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'If you really want it, you'd find a way.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon, what kin of way?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'lottery ticket? marrying a professer?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'That's the fun part.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'You don't know until you try.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'shrug, i found waldo. i found whitebeard, i found his hat. found the scroll. what's next'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'And until you tell yourself that you can actually try, you won't do shit.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so basically, you are reciting pointless mantras, in the hopes that it will sound important?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'No, I'm telling you how I have lived, and that it has worked.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I'm not saying I've never had setbacks, I've never had to find workarounds.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ok. how well does that work after a series of spine surgeries, a severed nerve root, reliance on v.a. run health care, and a lack of usefulness of your boy?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'solution' try harder' ?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'not quite specific enough. thanks anyways'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'None of those are actually impediments to attending classes in architecture.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'true. enter , stage left, capitalism'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'A sufficiently dedicated man can find a way to do what he wants. I can't tell you what the way will be because I AM NOT YOU. All I can tell you is that if you give up, you'll never do what you want.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'solution A: get capital. B: use someone else's capital, C: intentionally and knowingly join a group dedicated to the violent overthrow of the u.s. government ?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'If that's what you want?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'to obtain healthcare = want.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'requirement = capital'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'to obtain capital requirement = job'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Excellent. The VA is obviously not actually helping you here.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'to obtain job with sufficient capital, requirement = education'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'to obtain education  , requirement = capital'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Nah.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I had no capital, and I got a Bachelor's of Science.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'lucky you!'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I had no capital, and I've helped found a company that looks like it will turn a profit in year 1.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Luck had nothing to do with it.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Perseverance had everything.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so... tell us the secret of how to attend school and get a bachelor's degree... with no capital'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'You get yourself deep in debt.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'how'd you pull that off if you had no capital?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Student loans.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'how do you qualify for student loans, with no job?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Because I have no jo.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'job.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Had, that was.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VelvetLies: 'you automatically qualify for government loans'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon nods at VelvetLies.
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'velvet, that doesnt help with the little things, like buying ramen or gasoline ( since the school is not on the bus line)'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VelvetLies: 'i'm working on a 100K BFA with just fin aid, scholarships and gov loans'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Yeah, it does.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and the government loans, both stafford and non stafford, are government backed thanks to obama care bill'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and i only qualify for the stafford.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I was able to live on my own, in, granted, a shitty one-room apartment with shared bath/kitchen.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VelvetLies: 'they build living expenses into your budget'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'can't get the other without income or a cosigner'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'And attend class.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I also qualified for government grants.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'AKA: you have no money, here's some money for classes.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): VelvetLies nods at Dread Lord Morinon.
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon yes. i qualify for roughly 1500 a semester in grants'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'minus a fee for the school's financial service company disbursing the funds.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'that doesnt add up to paying the full cost of tuition and fees at most schools. even with the yellow ribbon participating schools'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'let alone incindentals like food or so on'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Then you are trying for the wrong damn schools.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon, i've looked at more schools than you can name.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VelvetLies: 'for example, my school has a budget of 35K, even though tuition is 26K (last year, this year it is more)...so, it's possible to get 9K more fin aid above tuition costs'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'velvet, hmn.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dont think that'd work in my case'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon nods at VelvetLies.
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Why not?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'as things stand now, until the treasury department problems this august.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i can attend a school with tuition fees and books paid by the us taxpayer.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and recieve a 530 something a month stipend, to study something of no interest to me'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'provided i can find a way to physically show up each day.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'if i do anything but that, i have to pay out of pocket until that first disbursement of excess funds '
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and without enough children for eic, or enough income to exceed the standard deduction, i wont get any benefit to hope or education deductions'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'to top it all off, in order to qualify for federal student loans, you have to be certified by your school to have an ' ability to benefit''
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'if my school won't certify me in such a fashion, i won't qualify for the loans'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I never needed such a certification.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon, check out the united states department of education website.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Nobody ever made me undergo such a certification.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon, are you disabled in any way?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Not in any way I've bothered to test for, no.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'okay.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'check out the us department of education website.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'or the us congress website's code of federal regulations'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I doubt that physical disability will prevent you from getting a certification in architecture.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'your school is required to certify the ability to benefit in order to get a government backed loan'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'in order for the student to obtain a government backed loan'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VelvetLies: 'i never had to go through that..at least, not in any way that i recall'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Could you give me a specific link?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'velvet, you probably just didnt see them perform the certification'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'morinon, if i remember right, www.congress.gov'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'no, to the specific code you're stating.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'otherwise hang on, i will find it after i finish this game of chess, ( i like winning on time)'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Fair enough.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'this game is over =)'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'its not... well opera style over'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but its un-loseable'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'which thing did you want, the ability to benefit part?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Yes.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'found it.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'check out the federal student aid handbook 2010/2011, glossary of terms'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'they disconnected =('
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PastamanT: 'anyone online actually debate here? policy, LD, PFD, congressional?'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'try religion. always a good troll'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'vote Obama'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Vote yo momma.'
T3/r3/2011-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'she wld get some....good mother'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'the term 'marriage' shld be removed for any/all federal documents'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'since its religious....as we've been told'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'separation...'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it should be replaced with the phrase 'civil union'.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nods'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'arguement goes both ways'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'which one?'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'marriage'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'religious term....separation of state....all 'civil unions'....then you can go get 'married''
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'personally I think the term "civil union" should be kicked to the curb and marriage used interchangeably.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i agree but....the arguement via religion is man/woman'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Marriage has civil benefits as well.  I'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'indeed'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and that's the whole issue'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I'm all for taking them away, but realistically we should be giving them to all.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'consitancy ...butchered that'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we lag behind other countries....and we're suppose to be an example'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'that siad, we still need to cut tax benefits'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'taxes!'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'when approaching bk, you cut debt AND get another job...or...source of income'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'iraq, afghan, paki, libya?'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'chavez'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'in cuba / and state of venu'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'adjust import tariffs!'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'why?'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'because the american worker can't compete with $2.oo an hour'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'that and they need to stop sending crap over'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'lead anyone?'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they'll stop sending crap over when the american public stops asking for it'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'no...they'll stop when the cost is equal to american made'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'til then....get sending them our monies'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'when people start paying the prices it would cost to buy real stuff instead of cheap import shite'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'indeed'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'no jobs here cause labor is cheaper overseas....gotta adjust or we going nowhere'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and yet, very few people want to increase how much they're paying for things.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 100=10 Hesperus: 'shouldn't forget that imports = jobs for US workers, &c. as well.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'what imports?...can't we do it here?'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nods majic'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i don't mind though'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, no, the companies pay workers in other countries cheaply and ship it here because it's cheaper that way.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'slightly higher that is'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we still drowning here in the us'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 100=10 Hesperus: 'less imports = less jobs for dock workers.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we're not talking about slightly higher'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i don't shop at walmart...the traitors'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they're starting to not ship.  Build here, but still pay the labor less'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm sure walmart is missing your business terribly'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and one becomes two, and two becomes three'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they provide what the majority of americans want'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'cheap crap'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'absolutely'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'is why the public has to be addressed'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the public isn't interested'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i'm public...and i'm interested'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they make the parts overseas, because it's cheaper and more efficient to ship than whole cars.  If all the folks who hate on Walmart just realized that buying foreign cars is like shopping at walmart we could probably get things normalized.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '...and i know i'm not the only one'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, you're the lunatic with a bullhorn'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'making laws to make the public buy things instead of convincing them is ridiculous'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nods....parts are increasingly coming from overseas'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, buying domestic cars is no different'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'not increasingly, really.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'harleys don't have any more domestic parts than my honda'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'just asking....check everything you buy to see if it is made in china...and just compare...10 cents isn't that much'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'same for ford/gm/chrysler vs honda'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's not 10 cents'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'who's fault is that?'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'it can be 10 cents'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the Clinton administration's.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'take it from this anal peep'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no it can't be'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'kk'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'depends on the object.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 100=10 Hesperus: 'making laws to make the public buy US goods would probably also be a breach of Article III of the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'no laws making americans buy domestic'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'the laws shld be adjusted re tariffs'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the people threw a fit because they couldn't be sure about the Made in America stamp on stuff and didn't want to pay high-quality price for low-quality crap.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'to make foreign things just as expensive as american-made things? that'd make the prices go up quite a bit :P'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'again, that's the peep's job'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they don't even want to pay high quality price on high quality stuff :P'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'then they wld majic'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what's the peep's job?'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'then they would what?'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'gonna pay what it costs'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yeah, or just not buy at all.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, it's not the people's job'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'that'll work for a while'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'while sending an increasing amount of their paycheck to food.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 100=10 Hesperus: 'laws regarding tariffs are overseen by the World Trade Organisation Agreement.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'then greed will take over yet again'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you can do without a lot of things that people buy.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 100=10 Hesperus: 'US can't unilaterally change it.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'greed won't take over if they don't HAVE money.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'agreed re 'without ..things''
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'in response, the 1994 administration put together a law outlining the definition of "Made in America", and they settled on the requirement that 75% of the parts used to make the product must be manufactured here.  Most companies looked at their books and decided not to bother with the stamp.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'us can do whatever they want atm'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'also, merkins don't want to work the menial manufacture jobs to make a lot of this stuff'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if the stuff you MUST buy costs a far higher percentage of your paycheck than it used to, you have less to spend on other stuff'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'that decision may be alter severely in the near future'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there are a fair number of kids who are like 'fuck you, i went to school so i wouldn't have to work in a factory' and just keep living with parents.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'part of the prob majic'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'not just kids'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'a lot of this stuff is dangerous and even generally "icky" to build'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'those grew up and had more kids'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nuclear family hasn't worked well for america'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'much more impressed with generations living together'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'take care of your elders'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'they bent over for you'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'bring back charlie buckett'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'don't have a problem with that, do think that it's idiotic to refuse to take a job at all because it's 'beneath you' and think it's idiotic for parents to allow it :P'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 100=10 Hesperus: 'the real problem is the costs for living in the US. High med. insurance costs, &c. These lead to everyone needing more money.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'final thought.....on that one subject....'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if my kid is 25 and doesn't have a job and turns down jobs because they're 'beneath him' he can damn well find his own place to live :P'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'if you can buy oversea made products cheaper...you'll continue to destroy the usa'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'easily said...til you an invalid you can't even get on a toilet'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nah, the US doesn't need to be in the manufacturing business'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'doesn't even have to be cheaper, Kam'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'agreed dokk'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'brand names'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, if the kid is doing the job of caregiver to the parents that's a job'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, not brand names.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'course....we keep funding them to get better, our products will lag'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'hell yeah its a job'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but if the kid is just living there with two perfectly able parents then that's not a job, he's a sponge.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'agreed'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'if sponge'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'not a sponge'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yep.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if we're going to legislate the quality of an item (ie, the Made in America Act of 1994), we better damn well make sure our base can meet that legislative standard competitively or else they're just going to slice off the unprofitable bits.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'americans can dis on hispanics all they want....but are a truly noble race....never seen another race that values family as much'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'can adjust easily'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'tariffs to bring it to same prices....'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'let them sell items to their countrymen'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '... '
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'or try'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they've got the weirdest hoes, though.  Examples of some individuals depict the notion that they'd rather do it with family or pets before doing it up the butt.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that doesn't bring our products to the same price...'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'what? who?'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 100=10 Hesperus: 'the US can't really adjust tariffs beyond what they have agreed with other countries.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'look up tariffs abel'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the chicas, mang!'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'the us can do whatever it wants...least atm'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I know what they are...read what I wrote carefully'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, yeah, if they want to cease trade permanently. '
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'soory abel'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'was the next poster'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'starting a trade war with the rest of the world would be a damn dumb thing to do given how much we currently import.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'why?'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'why it dumb?'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you want to do without fruits and vegetables in winter? :P'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'except oil'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'because we can't live on what we produce'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'at the moment we can't produce enough for ourselves, we don't have the capacity.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'what did we do for fruits and vegatables before intercountry trade?'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nonarguement'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'we had a much smaller population and more people had gardens and grew their own things'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there have been intercountry trade since before the US was a country...'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'then we adjust'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we farmed.  The point is that we don't have the farms anymore.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that's like saying we'd be fine without cars because 'what did we do without cars''
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i've never done a garden til 2 yrs ago'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'many people can't do gardens, when they are in the city etc. '
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'not even a close comparison'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you can adjust if you want to...you don't speak for americans'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 100=10 Hesperus: 'and other countries will bring a case before the WTO, and the WTO will conclude that the US has breached its Article II GATT obligations.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that's changing bigtime, actually'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the public wants to keep all our shit'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'just saying....we were no 1...going down without some changes'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'only one way to go once you're no 1'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I grew tomatoes in every apartment I lived in....love tomatoes.....*stares at his tomato plants.*'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'your changes aren't going to lead back into no 1 :P'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and yet to try nothing will result in failure'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nods riz'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'easy to grow....good staple too'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'no, but to try the wrong things can lead further into failure.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'did those tomatoes fully feed your family?'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'in STL, we're even starting up a fish farm in 2013 that doubles as a halfway house for excons'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'not the concept abel'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'that's tacky dokk'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cities need more community gardens, co-ops, etc.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'a good person can make a bad mistake'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nods riz....'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'except, again, the majority of people aren't interested'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'forgotten about the 'victory garden''
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and after they are done serving their time...they're excons.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'they're not interested because no one wants to talk about it'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there's a hardcore group that likes them and that's great'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'no, they're not interested because they don't give a shit and want their cheap stuff.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'takes 3 or 4 pple to start a movement'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, it takes 3-4 people to be activists'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'or because they can't afford to buy usa.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'heh, takes more than that'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just wait, more people will be buying made in USA when the price of diesel is $7 a gallon.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'they can't afford to buy usa because we don't charge enough for overseas good.....already said the american worker can't compete with $2 an hour'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'wtf'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'they can't afford to buy usa, so clearly we need to raise the prices on everything else so they can't afford to buy anything at all?'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'they cld compete if the tariffs were higher'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no they couldn't'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'tariffs don't bring our products to the price of imports...'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'higher tariffs would mean our exports get taxed higher on the other side'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'your statements assume that they HAVE the money and just choose not to spend it.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'ah'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the only reason people do not buy USA is because made in china is cheaper, but when the cost of transportation and labor in china increases, made in the USA will be more competitive.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'converse then'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'tariffs will mean that everyone else's prices rise while ours stay the same, and furthermore that anything we export gets the shit taxed out of it which costs us money.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'was thinking tariff was tax on oversea material'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it is'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'tariff IS tax on overseas imports. '
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 100=10 Hesperus: 'by saying our tariffs are higher, you basically are saying that we will charge a higher import duty on goods.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'to make the prices more similar'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but that doesn't drop the prices on our stuff'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'So taxing on overseas imports will RAISE THEIR PRICES.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'that is indeed what i mean then'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so it is NOT bringing our stuff to their price'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not drop OUR prices.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'raise THEIR prices'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'so we can compete'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Raise the price WE pay for their things.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that doesn't help us compete'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'less stuff gets purchased, less economy'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '2.00 an hour is going make for a bought product made in china rather than a made in america'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 100=10 Hesperus: 'what happens, however, is that a US importer will be charged a higher duty when he imports goods from overseas.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nope nope nope'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '*sigh*'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yep yep yep'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Again, you are making the assumption that people who buy foreign have the money to buy US products and just choose not to.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's great in theory, but one side is going to want their own stuff to sell better than the other side'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'this has been done already, kamdble'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The US is one of the most efficient manufucturers in the world, the problem is the high price of labor which is why we stopped making low cost things, and kept building the high value things.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'exactly'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 100=10 Hesperus: 'This means that the costs for the US importer will rise, and the US importer will have to lay off US employees to keep up with costs.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'you have to adjust for minimum wage'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'eventually the high cost of transportation will make those cheap things much more expensive to export to the US'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and safety regulations'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and health care'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we don't give a crap how many fingers the chinese kids have'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and that means the us companies will have to produce more'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and pay their workers with what?'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'the equivalent to the chinesse based on the tariffs'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'we don't have the farming or infrastructure anymore to be self-sufficient.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'its not that complicated'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's a lot more complicated than you're trying to make it.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're right, it's not that complicated...but you don't get it :P'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you think it'll do what you want, and it simply won't'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and yet we continue to take a nose dive'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Kam, you're assuming that China or whomever is on the other side of our tariffs won't respond to the increase.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'they we don't buy'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the nosedive has little to do with the manufacturing'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'won't respond?'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we buy more from them than anyone'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'won't respond by taxing the shit out of the stuff that we export.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'they can sell their crap to someone else'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the US has intentionally shifted away from being a predominantly manufacturing nation'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'as long as an equilibrium is reach on wages'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'agreed abel....that's why we suffering now'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'equilibrium won't be reached on wages'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no it isn't'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'tariffs'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'jesus christ, you do have tariffs on the brain'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'equilibrium can be reached re tariffs'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'jc'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'its not complicated'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's like arguing vaccines with jenny mccarthy.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, equilibrium cannot be reached by tariffs'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we did just fine before this started'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'china is the number 4 export market for the us'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'tariffs require that both sides agree to march to the same point.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'tariffs don't change people's salaries'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 100=10 Hesperus: 'do you even know how tariffs work?'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'yes they do abel'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'automated manufacturing will replace the cheap labor in china and other places....the factories will come back to the US and other high labor countries and robots will make the stuff....which is happening now.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no they don't'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'if you buying stateside rather than from overseas'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'that's job'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '*sigh*'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and if the overseas aren't buying from us, that's a job lost.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's not salaries'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'sad...and they wonder why we're headed down'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what we export to china is growing faster than what we import'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Those automated factories will still need a few humans to watch over the processes though.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'in general we're not headed down'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'once no 1...only one way to go'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'just the people who think we should still be primarily manufacturing think so'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we will fall at least behind china'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'next topic?'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we shouldn't be number 1'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we've grown beyond manufacturing'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 100=10 Hesperus: 'and if the costs for US companies to obtain goods for sale increases, more US jobs will be lost because they are gonna lay people off.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Just because your number 1, it doesnt mean your only going to drop....you can keep improving efficiency, which the US has extremely good at.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'fashion design for tweens these days'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'well...my theory is...no1 and military....and in military, wld you prefer to be no1 ....or not?'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'don't need to be number 1 in military to win'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'agreed riz'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'but holds true....only one way to go'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'when people decide that they don't need new clothes, new cars, and can use the old ones longer, overall purchasing will drop -- which will cost jobs, which will cause money to drop more ...'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '*sigh*'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and what's the deal with the landing strip that goes all the way up to the navel?  What the hell?!'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic cackles gleefully at Dokkar.
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Myrmidon Calamar giggles like a Catholic school girl.
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'look to the past to help with the future'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, look to the future rather than being mired in the past'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'tell that to the next 'hitler''
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Myrmidon Calamar points excitedly at Barack Obama!
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'monroe failed'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'if you don't understand the past, you're bound to repeat it'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hitler had the absolute worst military in the world when he took power ;-)'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nods'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'he did'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'look to the past -- look what happened when the government attempted to respond to the beginnings of the great depression by increasing tariffs.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and he built it up regardless the treaty'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'all the other countries jacked their tariffs as well, imports and exports both dropped drastically'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and no one had the balls to step in'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nah, it wasn't regardless of treaty, he kept renegotiating'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'think that'd happen today?'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it already has'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you're the one saying look to the past :P'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'me?...i did'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'north korea'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'ah...nkorea'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The US is good at repeating the mistakes of the past.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'don't you dare test that nuke!'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Because the US voter has the memory of a shrew'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'n.korea is almost done'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'once dad dies'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sure they're almost done...they've already successfully tested their icbms :P'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'cld get bad though...not sure south is gonna put up with much more'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'son will fold'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'just like cuba is doing'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'This is Sparta!'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'great history'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'he pimped it'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'great military battle / strat'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'grew nice tomatoes also.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nice'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'tomatoes are so easy to do....and saves money'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'cucs and squash too'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Hitler was real into the germination thing...'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'hrmm....anyone else done 'friend squash'?'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he's still on my wannabe'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'speaking of, too much antibacterial 'stuff' on the market'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'lol abel'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'just caught'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'agree with that'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no immune systems anymore'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'preach it'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'too much focus on safety, too'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'antibacterial stuff should be used by people with immune deficiencies due to something else, not routinely :P'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and we wonder where these superbugs are coming from'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'i.e. cancer patients on immunosuppresants etc.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yup, the whole population will be like the amer. indians when we arrived'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'in hospitals also is a good place :p'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'was out barefoot the other day and someone freaked'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I go barefoot all the time, except when it's places like shopping :P'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nods...and bathrooms'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '*grin*'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'people becoming sterile...keep that immune sys active'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'speaking of superbugs, we've discovered some insects that are getting resistant to the pesticide-producing genes of our GM crops.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'kitchen / bathroom....max'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nods dokk'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'unsurprising :P'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nods majic'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nothing will kill all bugs, the strong ones will survive to reproduce. '
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'indeed'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and then the next dose will kill even less'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hey abel, stop talking and go xp :p'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'lol'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Iron Duck Chuft nods at Rizgoth and says, "I concur." Why didn't you?!
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, I won't be superheroing tonight'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'have 1 more target to kill on this campaign, then take my 199 campaign and 200 campaign before SH'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'slow poke'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'betting tomorrow's a wash, too'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You nod.
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'kids ...and the rest of us...shld not have tvs in the bedroom'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '...sorry...ignorance up in here is just that'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'ignorant'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'qaddafi?'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'Obama 2012!!!!'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'If Casey Anthony is found Not Guilty.. I would be utterly shocked'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'she shows no emotion whatsoever '
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'hmm, if nobody signed the Declaration of Independance at any time during July 1776, why would we teach our kids that it was signed on July 4th?'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'too late to change now'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'India finally found the Lost Treasure of the Donkey God under a temple, worth over $11 billion, 18 foot long gold chains, coconuts made from gold and jewels, bars of gold and silver, animal statues made of gold and jewels, a big gold donkey statue.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they just found out that Hawaii is surrounded by a vast deposit of rare earth metals like dysprosium.  If you ask me, they should've just looked at Los Angeles for that.'
T3/r3/2011-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they updated the Declaration of Independance to the modern english language.  Eww. http://www.stltoday.com/news/opinion/columns/the-platform/de3c3dc1-e65b-5722-a92e-b9543812f397.html'
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brother Yowza: '[04 Jul 10:24:04] (Debate) Rampagne: 'If Casey Anthony is found Not Guilty.. I would be utterly shocked''
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brother Yowza: 'rampagne = nancy grace?'
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if she is found guilty when there is no physical evidence showing she did it, I pity americans, cause you could be next to be judged by a jury.'
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brother Yowza: 'she was just found not guilty on everything but the false info to police charges'
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon nods at Rizgoth.
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'plenty of other places than america that you can be pinned for something you didnt do'
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'least she had a trial, im sure the dead women set on fire wish they had one in their system'
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'They did have trials. They were just poorly done.'
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'arguement was no proof not a trial, they had no proof proving they didnt "cheat" husband had no proof she did other than his word ::shrug::'
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'which is more than likely just "im tired of her and want a new one"'
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Okay, when you start wanting to be coherent, let us know.'
T3/r3/2011-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'these idiots who say justice wasnt done are morons, justice WAS done, no physical evidence, means not guilty, instead of just thinking someone is guilty, get some real proof instead of heresay or emotional evidence.'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'ca teen faces trial in gay classmate killing'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'anyone see that article on the multiple rape of the 11 yr old?'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '14 men....4-5 minors'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'casey anthony? *duck*'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'Oregon man arrested, accused of threatening Obama'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'any coporate jet owners up in here?'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'who's caving first? reps or dems?'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'A Southern California teen driven by white supremacist beliefs executed a gay classmate at a junior high school with two gunshots to the back of his head, a prosecutor told jurors Tuesday in her opening trial statement.'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'was the gay person not white?'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'no idea'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'does it matter?'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'of course it does'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'no...it doesn't'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'you said white supremacist, not heterosupremacist.'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'copy / paste'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i said nothing'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ol' Dirty Fiendish pats Kamdble on his head.
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'why race an issue anyways?'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'shldn't care'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'unless you have an agenda'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'then why mention white supremacist beliefs?'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'if race doesn't matter'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'copy / paste...i just said that'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'sure sure'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'http://news.yahoo.com/calif-teen-faces-trial-gay-classmate-killing-151821102.html'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'copied first sentence'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'don't sure sure me'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'shame you got race(s) on your mind'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'very reflective'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'you're the one who said it'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'paste'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'uh huh'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'did i stutter?'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'someone can't click a link'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'race never entered MY mind'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'shame on you'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we're all the same except for a gene expression'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'hope when caucasians are minorities....they're better to us than we were to them'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'karma'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it never entered your mind, yet your character mentioned it'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i copied and pasted'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'didn't i say that?'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'doesn't change the fact that you said it'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i said nothing'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i copied and pasted'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'debate -h says otherwise'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'you went race'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ol' Dirty Fiendish comforts Kamdble.
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'pasting doesn't change the fact that you are the one saying it on this channel'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'well...its is debate'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not really'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I copy paste everything I say. First I write it. Then I copy it. Then I paste it. Then I hit enter. That keeps the feds off my trail.'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'you agree with dude killing the gay man?'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'regardless of race...which you seem to be stuck on'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '[06 Jul 11:07:36] (Debate) Kamdble: 'A Southern California teen driven by white supremacist beliefs...'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I'm just wondering if the gay man isn't white, because if the gay man is white then I don't see how white supremacy is relevant.'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'copy /paste'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yup, I did use copy / paste'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'Ventura County Deputy District Attorney Maeve Fox said defendant Brandon McInerney acted on the white supremacist philosophy that homosexuality is an abomination.'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '2nd para'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'need the third pasted?'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'only if you can't read'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'They seem to be conflating white supremacy with heterosexual supremacy'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'k'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'However, defense attorney Scott Wippert countered that McInerney had reached an emotional breaking point over unwanted sexual advances by 15-year-old victim Larry King and should be convicted of voluntary manslaughter.'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'third para'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'homosexuality being an abomination has nothing to do with white supremacy'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'need 4th?'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'that would be a heterosexual supremacist belief'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '"He did this out of heat of passion," Wippert said. "These were two troubled young men and this was a tragedy."'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '4th para'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'McInerney is being tried as an adult for the February 2008 slaying in Oxnard'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'You say the cutest things.'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'Fox told the nine-woman, three-man jury that McInerney smuggled a .22-caliber handgun into the school and sat behind King, who was at a computer station.'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, larry king...the kid shoulda been shot just for the name'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'next ...McInerney shot King once then stood up and made eye contact with others in the classroom before firing another round with the gun only inches from the victim's head, Fox said. The defendant dropped the gun and walked from the room, she said.'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'shame you don't keep up on current affairs'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '3 year old affairs, you mean'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I wonder why he dropped the gun.'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'seems like a foolish move'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'AP  Tue, Jul 5, 2011'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'weak'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if mcinerney goes on larry king live, does that mean he should be acquitted?'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'for a court to determine'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, your grasp of the date is weak'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'larry king is retired now, isn't he?'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'you need a refresher'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: '"the February 2008 slaying"'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'yes fiendish'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'hey ...you read the article fiendish'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'no. I just read what you said.'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: '*ZING*'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'can't zing me...that's for peeps who care'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '*wink*'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'peeps who care: https://drlaurenshughes.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/family-medicine-peeps.jpg'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'hold tight obama'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'obama isn't a white supremacist'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'jeez, wtf's with the resolution on that pic? :P'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'heh'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'The video led the police to an abandoned trailer, more evidence and, eventually, to a roundup over the last month of 18 young men and teenage boys on charges of participating in the gang rape of an 11-year-old girl in the abandoned trailer home, the authorities said. '
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'paste btw'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '*sigh*'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/09/us/09assault.html'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'guess that paste is more important than the previous one'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'shame'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'LOS ANGELES (AP)  A Southern California teen driven by white supremacist beliefs executed a gay classmate at a junior high school with two gunshots to the back of his head, a prosecutor told jurors Tuesday in her opening trial statement.'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'what, again?'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'that's the second time this week!'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'haters do that'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'http://news.yahoo.com/calif-teen-faces-trial-gay-classmate-killing-151821102.html'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'paste'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '*mutter*'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/09/us/09assault.html'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'The video led the police to an abandoned trailer, more evidence and, eventually, to a roundup over the last month of 18 young men and teenage boys on charges of participating in the gang rape of an 11-year-old girl in the abandoned trailer home, the authorities said. '
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'why do you keep pasting the same stories? :P'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'ugh...portugal relegated to 'junk bonds''
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'well....first attempt was relegated to 'no paste''
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'don't make crap up'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'phone hacks in UK....news of the world?'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'obama / reps...who is gonna cave?'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'LOS ANGELES (AP)  A Southern California teen driven by white supremacist beliefs executed a gay classmate at a junior high school with two gunshots to the back of his head, a prosecutor told jurors Tuesday in her opening trial statement.'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You need to find some new material.'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '*wink*'
T3/r4/2011-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and yet...you've not even read'
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'whee, james patterson is a literary fraud now, go james!'
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Great business idea though....hire new writers to write your book ideas for you and sell them under your famous writer name.'
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder if capt kirk knew sulu was looking at him in that date me kinda way.'
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Liathum: 'Its okay to be Takei, Riz.'
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'real men go donkey.'
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That sand storm in arizona was amazing.'
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'ice troll breastplate (+14 hr/dr) or shroud of the watchman (-120mv +60mn +4sv +3lck +9con)?  Decisions, decisions...'
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, a massive boob hits phoenix.....'
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PastamanT: 'hehe'
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Liathum: 'General Practitioners providing prescriptions for antidepressants, yay or nay?'
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Liathum: 'Or really, any possible psychiatric medication.  Xanax, Valium, Paxil, etc.'
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'are there any group's in the reality, abstract or real, that don't succumb to a subset of groupthink?'
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and by contrivance, do all groups groupthink?'
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'by groupthink, do you mean mob mentality?'
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if so, then no.'
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i guess mob mentality's about the same'
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'actually, since most individuals don't think we can extend that and say that most groups don't either.'
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but mob mentality might be only as strong as its strongest member, and by groupthink the group will listen to its wise leader or follow their lead - whether that's the absence of individual mentality, you all have your agenda's, or some kind of weird amplification of it'
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'debate yes, exactly'
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the mountain of will's all moving towards the will of the leader's will who has a will beyond will's'
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'religion has alot of forms'
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'being a leader doesn't make one necessarily wise.'
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's probably correct, but maybe they're so wise that they see people may think that, and exploit their wisdom to gain the advantage of ignorant appraisal to the other groups - but he know's he's slick'
T3/r4/2011-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mind game's are difficult to figure out, unless you can confirm you're a telepath without going insane'
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'its time to stop helping pakistan'
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Hmm, 18% of electricity generation in Germany is from renewables now, 6% higher than expected by 2012.'
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'that must put them at high risk for a solar spill'
T3/r4/2011-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Over the course of 2010, Germany added 7,400 MW of solar capacity (roughly seven nuclear power plants worth) to its grid. This was about 1,300 MW more than all the installed solar power on earth as of 2005, '
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Jurassic Pork 4, Revenge of the Hog!'
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Jurrasic Park 4: Apocalypse'
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It would be nice to see some of the non dangerous dinosaurs still around, but keep the aggressive ones in history.'
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I'
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'mis'
T3/r4/2011-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You should not be able to buy a $225,000 home with a $10,000 down payment....come back when you have $50,000.'
T3/r4/2011-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Finally the US has realized that they have a budget deficit that they need to do something about. But I'd be surprised if they actually manage to solve it, at least now.'
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'I think it's absolutely appauling that our troops fighting in the middle east aren't being issued with healing potion.'
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder if a powderized fiber could replace most of the flour in baked products.....'
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'ew'
T3/r4/2011-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, coconut flour is interesting.'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'Reps caved yet?'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'I hope the Westboro Baptist Church protests at my funeral. It seems to me that's kind of a badge of honor.'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Yeah, either you pissed them off or you died in a sufficiently horrible way that they want to make sure everyone knows God wants to kill them just like that too.'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'It just seems that a Westboro protest is an honor reserved for war heros and former first ladies.  '
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Dunno, they protested after the shooting at my uni iirc.'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'The shooting where?'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but really, the whole purpose of their protests is to upset people until they hit them, then sue them for cash.'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'niu, few years back.'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Well, in my will I'm going to request that my heirs invite them to my funeral, and tell them what a Godless heathen I am.'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'they won't show up then.'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'beg them to stay away and maybe they'll show up.'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'them protesting comicon was pretty funny though.'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'republicans caved yet?'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'stand firm democrats!'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Avocado: 'Pigeon pie - discuss.'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ruxic: 'ALEC < should be dismantled and it's members imprisoned'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'might as well suck tonsils with a sewer rat.'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'ALEC?  Who's that?'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ruxic: 'American Legislative Exchange Council, they are a Republican 'bipartisan' contribution and leglistion mill.'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nothing bipartisan about conservative republicans.'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, as if that's a conservative republican trait'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the Democrat plan is to do nothing so that Obama can step in and look great doing it.'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ruxic: 'The Nation magazine just leaked a ton of their inner workings, it reads like something out of a George Orwell novel, Democrats are not doing nothing, they happen to be doing a very good job of failing to protect civil right all across the nation'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I was referring to this debt crisis thing.'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Obama's not going to spank Democrats for anything else.'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'seems simple to me, stop bitching about social security and raise the tax cap on it from the 150k or so it is now to $1 million, lower the tax to 8% total, close many of the stupid business tax loopholes, reduce the business tax by 5%, and end the 2 wars, a few other small things....problem fixed.'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'oh, hey, did you hear about the black politician who got lynched?'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ruxic: '? who got lynched'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh, and increase the gas 2 cents per year for the next 5 years to fix some of that $2 trillion worth of infrastructure work that has backed up because of a lack of funds.'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'heh, knew that'd get your attention.  He wasn't really lynched, but a union sent out their thugs and they beat the shit out of a black conservative politician for being a black conservative.'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Samvega: 'Hmmm... A union sent out their thugs.... tha sound suspect to me.'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ruxic: 'We have to raise the Debt Ceiling, our current policies leave us no option, but Repugs want us to keep defense spending (More than every other country in the world combined according to politifact and TheNation) but stop spending so much money domestically.  Really sad'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, unions would never do such a thing'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ruxic: 'sounds like lynching that stopped short of murder'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Wouldnt be to happy to be driving on a 60 year old bridge and have it fall out from under my vehicle....It would ruin my day....but there are 17000 bridges like that around the US right now.'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '17000 bridges fall out from under cars?'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, 17000+ bridges that need to be repaired or given routine maintenance or inspection to prevent it from collapsing.'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Samvega: 'lol. It's true that the infrastructe in the US is crumbling cuz of repug policies over the last 30 years'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not to prevent it from collapsing'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go take a look at some of those bridges you drive on someday....check out the crumbling concrete on them. :p'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'however, most bridges also aren't federal'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Sam, you DO realize that for about 20 of those past 30 Democrats were the majority, right?'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Samvega: 'Just like they are now, in everything but the senate. That doesn't stop these fanatics in the republican party from blocking everything they can'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'right, but you're ranting against democrats' policies, not republicans.'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Samvega: 'no, it's the conservative ideologies that have prevented anything from getting done, whether they are in the majority or not'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ruxic: 'Repugs dominate policy making. That's apparent, they resort to everything, including attempting to sabotage Democratic Primaries in state elections, (Ref yesterday's Wisconsin Primary)'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Samvega: 'It's true that dems have always been worse at politics. They simply have no spine or charisma'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, which is why we had a balanced budget during the clinton years. *stare*'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ruxic: 'Or maybe they are trying to at least pretend they have integrity?'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'There was more fudge made there than in the Keebler tree.  Clinton is your Reagan.'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'reagan was not exactly a good president for the avg american considering he closed down the federally funded psycho wards that created our homeless problem.'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Samvega: 'He also generated more debt per GDP than any president EVER'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Clinton wasn't as hot as everyone thinks he was, either.'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he also gave us star wars...who can argue with that?'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'impossible.  Stuff that one administration does rarely manifests during that administration's term.  Wasn't that the excuse for Obama's debt problem?'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the only think the star wars program brought us was the patriot anti missile system'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and bushyboy canceled our super collider program in Texas :('
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which does work wonderfully'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ruxic: 'I hate to argue a GOP talking point, but Politifact has verified that more debt has accumulated under the current administration than any administration ever, I believe the article may have said all administrations combined.  Though they did point out that EVERY Washington politician is in large part responsible for the debt crisis'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Samvega: 'actually, I'm looking at the politifact page now, it says that the would submitted TO him would add more debt. Not that it already has.quit'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ruxic: 'that the ?what? submitted to him?'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ruxic: 'Also I'd like to know where our f- dems were, and our current loud repugs, when bush had the Debt ceiling raised 8 times during his administration'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Obamacare.  At least one hundreds-of-billions bailout package, if not two.  QE2 (one of the Bush packages?) is about to expire, so interest rates and inflation is going to go through the roof in response so you can add on large fractions of that to Obama's permanent record just because he'll have to cover the new problems.'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Plain and simple, Obama and the politicians in the other branches serving with him are on the hook for about 3 trillion dollars starting from Day 1 of his term.'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ruxic: 'You can't exclude the current repugs from that Dokkar'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that's just in the legislation they've passed.'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, but we dumped a large portion of what we could and the conservatives are feeling awful mean after having some key coat-tailers reveal their liberalness.'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, we are seeing the neo-con's true colors now, since they are protecting their rich friends at all cost.'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'with democrats starting to feel the same way, it'll be a miracle if an incumbant stays in office.'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ruxic: 'I have to know, Dokkar, how do you feel about Bauchmann?'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I don't want her to win.  Women don't have what it takes to be real politicians.'
T3/r4/2011-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ruxic: 'Wow, just wow.'
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'What's that website that allows you to bet on the outcome of the next election?'
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'dnc.com?'
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Everyone: 'uuh, basically any betting site? :D'
T3/r4/2011-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'But there's one in particular that lets you buy "shares" in a particular outcome.  Like buying and selling stock.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos brushes the dust off the lectern and prepares to launch his speech...
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'debt ceiling been resolved yet?'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's a glass ceiling :)'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it has not, no'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nods'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i think we shld default....horrible i know'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'only way we going to reach some people'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if we default, gas goes up to like $30 a gallon'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, let's be pragmatic. The republicans are not going to let the US default so obviously (not like they did after WW II :)) so that means the ceiling is going to be raised. All that has to be settled is what sort of extortion payment they are going to get.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'agreed...it'll be hell'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'sometimes you have to go to extremes'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'so why not kill two birds with one stone and vote in the amendment?'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i don't mind the amendment on its own'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, there is no need of extremes. They are not collection extortion in behave of the voters, they are doing it for themselves.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ullin: 'the interesting part is that the countries most upset about US defaulting would be the new EM giants that hold USD assets/reserves'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'collecting*'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'takes like 7 yrs for an amendment'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'to attach that to a bill is just childish'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ullin: 'history is funny, used to be the US being worried about brazil/mexico defaulting, now is the other way around...'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is done all the time. You don't get child  care support unless you vote yes on funding ICBMs. SOP.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '?'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PastamanT: 'Partisanship should stop. The debt ceiling issue should be a problem that unites both parties in this. They cannot afford to use this as a negotiation point, holding US citizens ransom'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PastamanT: 'At least for this issue.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'agreed to a point...'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'history has proven otherwise, Pasta'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '...to the point that i'm not at ransom'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'voters have the attention span of a turd.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'let's see how default hits the republican's wallets'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PastamanT: 'If you live in the United States, you are at ransom in a sense. Default will impact the economy'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ullin: 'already at ransom of china...why the govt had to take on Freddy and fannie? cause china wanted guarantees on their MBS holdings...'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they are call riders, Kamdble. A senator/congressman puts a bill forward for child support, the opposition insists on a rider to the bill for spending on some military project. So in order to get the bill to pass one has also to let the spending pass.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'default will affect everything'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): PastamanT is agreeing with that Dokkar person again...
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i konw what its called anarist'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'lol'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I wish we could not have bill riders.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so why are you surprised?'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'wasn't surprise...was disgust'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's done everyday. The voters get screwed right and left by those riders.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we will no longer be able to buy shit, so other countries's economies get hit as hard as we will.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ullin: 'default means you won't be able to buy anything as the rest of the world that keeps producing goods for the US market will not want USD for payments'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PastamanT: 'This is one problem that they will have to put aside platform differences for and unite for the benefit of american people'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ullin: 'and also means putting most of the financial savings industry out of business'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ullin: 'pension funds/insurance companies all over the world have a big chunk of their portfolio in US debt'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'That's not true, Ullin. China can't afford for the US economy to go under. In fact, China is putting brakes to their economy in order to allow the US to resolve it's financial problems. So that means, that the US will not default. The world won' t let it. And the republicans know this. That is why they are extorting the hell out of the people.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'china is barking already'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PastamanT: 'Also, another concern is that most politicians won't be directly impacted in a financial sense because of their affluence. However, common Americans in the vast majority will'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PastamanT: 'So they don't have the same perspective as the American peoples'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'indeed...they do not represent the common American'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not barking, braking :) The Chinese economy is so hot that it makes the US look like a 3rd world country :) Unfortunately for the Chinese, the US is their biggest costumer so they have to slow down.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'the us is becoming a third world country'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'indeed'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'producing nothing, drowning in debt, on the verge of revolt'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ullin: 'anaristos, I think I am saying the same thing. EM countries have to support the US, both because they hold a lot of assets, and because they export there'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's what happens when consumerism runs rampant.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'At least we have angry birds to play.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'greed is killing us'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ullin: 'debt is killing you, and low interest rates'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'but the debt is from greed'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PastamanT: 'It's beyond greed. The problem is, we can't legally limit income without compromising capitalism ideals'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'got to be better than your neighbors apparently'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'nominal interest rates are not low, Ullin. Look at your credit card bill, see how much they are charging you.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Moody's is basically deciding the financial future for us'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PastamanT: 'Financial future in the US is bleak.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'moody's is being realistic'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'yeah, but Congress is never going to slash 4 trillion off the budget, ever.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PastamanT: 'I hope it doesn't come to default. If the stupid politicians could just get over their platform differences for a day, we'd make some real progress'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US has defaulted before, but at that time they were the strongest economy in the world so it didn't matter. Now things are different. Their hat is in their hands this time.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PastamanT: 'Reason that they're not going to slash the budget is because the government is divided on the issue. Only way Republicans will agree is if <insert platform demand here> is met. Only way Democrats can let it pass is if they agree to the demand'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ullin: 'I think the more interesting question is what kind of deals will the EM countries strike to keep supporting the US?'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'when a person is in debt, they both stop spending and increase revenue....work as many shifts as you can'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, they will extort the US somewhat, but not too much. After all, there is only one ecosystem. If the US collapses, so will they.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'its not brain science'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PastamanT: 'Scary economics.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how about that drought.....the heat is on !'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ullin: 'extorsion would probably be based on resources'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what they will do, though, to prevent this in the future, is to start using other currencies instead of the dollar. That's what their problem is right now. They can't afford for the dollar to drop much lower, otherwise they will be using the bills for toilet paper.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PastamanT: 'Well, putting aside platform differences could also be seen as a sacrifice to platform ideal.. but thats still not an excuse for this'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no drought here, we're up by around a foot, I believe.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ullin: 'for example china may ask less political noise when trying to buy an US company?'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PastamanT: 'Time to invest in gold.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'have to go back to the late 50s for the last time we had so much rain.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ullin: 'buy EM etfs...they are not currency hedged :)'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PastamanT: 'eh. how strong is the euro going at?'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, you should have invested in silver back when I was telling people to do it at 11$ an oz :p'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'doh...glenn beck is online'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PastamanT: 'heh. should have invested in microsoft, apple, google, intel, a LONG time ago'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'or gold when it was only up by 100%'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PastamanT: 'or even gold for that matter 10 yrs ago'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'lol'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ullin: 'EUR not doing too badlylook'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PastamanT: 'gold 10 years ago ---> gold now (I'd be a millionair'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'same as any generation'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PastamanT: 'Heh. leave money in gold for a hundred yrs. '
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ullin: 'you could have flipped 30 homes in 10 years, you would be even richer'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, that's the type of thinking that get people in trouble, PastamanT. What is the point of being a billionaire if you have to pay 50 USD for a loaf of bread?'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'silver will be worth more than gold eventually. :p'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PastamanT: 'Nod. we don't want this to become a zimbabwe story'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'greed kills!'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the Euro is just barely hanging on.  It's slowly cannibalizing itself, even, since any local successes (ie, Germany) is going to produce a local failure somewhere in the system (ie, ireland, greece)'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PastamanT: 'lol greece.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'euro is in trouble'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'its worldwide'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are missing the point. Gold or silver won't be worth more, the dollar will just be worth less. When you say that an oz. of gold costs 1000 USD, you are saying that the dollar is not worth much.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ullin: 'well, it's now at 1.41, in the first round of greek crisis went down to 1.20sh... we'll see if it takes a further dip'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the price of silver is not inherently dependant on the value of the dollar, there are over 5000 industrial uses for silver unlike gold.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gold is just pretty, and people enjoy it in jewelry.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PastamanT: 'Anaristos: What I'm saying is, the value of gold increases at a rate faster than the rate at which the dollar declines (until recently)'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'historically gold barely moves'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ullin: 'I feel that the concerns around italy are a bit overblown. they have been able to service the high debt since the 90s with tax austerity'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '57 new uses for silver were created last year, compared to like 5 for gold.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'exactly, gold and silver are independent of the dollar. That is the whole point. You are not telling anyone how much those metals are worth, you are telling everyone how much the dollar is worth.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'as ironic as it sounds, you'll never really grow rich by investing in gold.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Molybdenum, however.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of course not'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PastamanT: 'lol morinon'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, tell that to warren buffet or george soros, each who made over $ 1 billion from gold. :p'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though, you can make good money selling gold and silver for circuitry, though platinum is better.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PastamanT: 'Platinum is good'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'nowhere near enough platinum for that'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PastamanT: 'Exactly'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PastamanT: 'It can't reduce much in value'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'exactly :) that's why platinum is always at premium vs gold.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'tis rarer'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ullin: 'if you want to get exposure to commodities long term, you probably do better holding currencies'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'when the price of platinum dips below gold it's time to sell the spread.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, currency I would do short term. I don't like lotteries.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PastamanT: 'heh. lottery is a waste'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there is less platinum than gold, the price will not go lower than gold unless we stop using it.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I would buy/sell currencies overnight.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PastamanT: 'Currency exchange is a good way to make money if you can do it fast enough'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PastamanT: 'Could also suffer heavy losses :P'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Just like how the price of silver is increasing faster than gold is because there are much more uses for it compared to gold.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not usually, Rizgoth. But it happens due to anomalous fluctuations in the market. '
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PastamanT: 'Okay, going off for a while'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but as soon as platinum goes discount vs gold people sell the spread and correct the error.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the last time silver climbed this steeply it was due to the Hunt brothers attempting to corner the market. I am not sure that this not going right now, though not by the Hunt brothers. Though they stand to benefit significantly since their holdings are estimated at 62M oz.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or the fact that soon the demand for silver will be larger than the supply.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you take away the state support of silver supply the demand is already bigger.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Donquixote: 'i'm the only person here who think most these precious metals are way overvalued?'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the demand is a normal market force, cornering it's another matter altogether. Someone is manipulating the market, I am willing to be on that.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ullin: 'but so, what's the future for the US? keep depreciating the currency and open manufacturies back, competign with cambodia, vietnam etc? '
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you act as those countries should roll over and play dead so that the US can survive? What about them?'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'stop buying from china'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am in favor of the US dollar devaluing a lot more....it will be good for the US.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a strong US dollar is bad.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, stop buying from China. So what happens when the Chinese economy collapses?'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Donquixote: 'imo percious commodities with negligible underlying utility value and thus are based almost entirely on market sentiment are probably one of the most difficult commodities to trade'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the future is AA rating.  Nothing is going to stop that, because Congress cannot slash 4 trillion from the budget without initiating a divide by zero error.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it seems to me you fail to grasp the meaning of "global" in the term "global economy".'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Donquixote: 'i think they're just better things to invest in than stuff like gold, irrespective of its considerable performance in the past decade'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'to keep missing the point. Gold doesn't perform, the dollar is the pereformer.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ullin: 'btw dollar is already really weak'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the rating of some private company means nothing, the US will sell bonds at the lowest rate it wants to sell them for, not at what rate others want them at.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you don't invest in precious metals to make money, you invest in it to keep money.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ullin: 'debate singapore, hk, korea are more expensive cities to live in than NY'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Donquixote: 'i highly recommend reading the wiki page on gold price thendokkar'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ullin: 'I have been to brasil last month, and I was shocked of how inflated the currency is'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it goes the other way, Riz.  Money we borrow will cost more, and we are currently looking at overwhelming debt with the prospect of making it even more overwhelming.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ullin: 'or rather how weak the dollar is getting'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Donquixote: 'if you invested in the 70s or 90s you'll be very well off, if you invested in the 80s however, you've barely broken even in 30 years of inflation'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'gold has no intrinsic value as an economic force. What matters is how much paper will be accepted as collateral for the gold.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US doesnt NEED that money, and yes we can balance the budget with a few simple changes, but the will to do it doesnt exist yet, it will soon.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ullin: 'again weaker dollar to achieve what exactly? ramp up inflation and eat away debt?'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ullin: 'or to reopen manufactories?'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US currency is tided to nothing. The only thing that keeps it working is the "faith" that it won't go under.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Donquixote: 'i agree that a lot of the recent surge in gold prices are lack of confidence in some major currencies as well as the drop in usd'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Donquixote: 'i dont think it's predominently collateral against currencies tho'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ullin: 'gold is not collateral against currencies'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'personally I think a new sales tax on financial transactions such at mortgages, bond/stock buys/sales, money transfers, etc would be good.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'again, the US currency has no intrinsic value. The only value it can be credited to it is what it fetches in the debt (capital) market which is where the US finances its operations.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would have a problem paying an extra $1 to my $7 stock transactions.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we'll be getting the same thing in about 4 months'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'er wouldnt'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Donquixote: 'that's how all capitalist economies work, it's a constant debt spiral, there's nothign wrong with it though, it just sounds bad on paper lol'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, only those with floating currencies.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Donquixote: 'yes i meant floating currencies'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Donquixote: 'i think it's fine, there isn't any imminent and impending collapse or flaw in the system'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'when the US needs money, they signal the Federal Reserve Bank. The Fed in turns sell T-bills. To pay back the debt, the US buys T-bills, though retaring the debt.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'thus*'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Donquixote: 'yes'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we won't be able to sell those tbills in the near future though if things don't get addressed'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and they don't buy and sell in the spot market, they do it through futures.'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we as Americans will either come together, or fade away'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'put your money on it'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Donquixote: 'yes, though the distinction is fairly arbitrary today, although prices and risk assessments differ, the futures market in all effectiveness can be seen as a 'spot' of that market as well'
T3/r4/2011-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'true, but the t-bills the fed buy/sell can be as far away as 18 months.'
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I wonder how much money you could make if you knew the timing and decision for the US debt limit circus'
T3/r4/2011-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos stands on the soapbox to deliver his doomsday speech. But first he decides to take a leak and loses interest on the topic...
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'A former News of the World journalist who made phone-hacking allegations against the paper has been found dead.'
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'A police spokesman said the death was currently being treated as unexplained but was not thought to be suspicious.'
T3/r4/2011-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'not suspicious at all'
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'ArmaDebtDon 2012'
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go go silver!'
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'F.A.R.T.  Factual Assessment of Reality-based Truths'
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'B.U.T.T.  Bold Uncompromising Truth Telling'
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'USA Republicans are projected to escalate their bullshit to farts from the butt'
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'No, it's Backwards Utilized Tracking Torpedoes.'
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, benzene is bad stuff.'
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'there are a lot of bad things in cigarettes, things which ironically are otherwise illegal to burn.'
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'sugar?'
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'burnt sugar is just caramel, isn't it?'
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Enohet: 'Who said cigarettes are bad? Pfft. Prove it.'
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'things that American tax dollars have paid for: shrimp running on treadmills, monkeys high on cocaine (headline of the study is "Monkeys on cocaine act high"), and the size of a gay man's penis determines his penchant for catching or receiving.'
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'shrimp is big business, drugs are important not for casual use but for chemical warfare, and the more you know about the gay the more you can fight it'
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nonexist: 'there's always an explanation'
T3/r4/2011-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sleepwalking is interesting.'
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'restaurants have admitted a mistake in how they calculate calories in their food, says there's more than what's listed'
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'who thinks it's a good idea to pay a tax for a service nobody is actually using?'
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's a serious question, because Alabama is still levying a tax that provides benefits to Civil War veterans (none of which are still living).'
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Qazaq: 'osama ruls'
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the interesting part is that Alabamans don't seem to care that this is happening.'
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'who cares if no-one gets the money?'
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'did you get the memo, Qaz?  Osama is down in Hell sucking on Saddam's toes.'
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Qazaq: 'i stil love him'
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Qazaq: 'he did good work those 2 towers'
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the money isn't just sitting there, it's being paid out'
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Semi-Sweet Savvy: 'to?'
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Confederate Memorial Park'
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they get about $400,000 a year, which apparently is a whole lot more than other parks get'
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Semi-Sweet Savvy: 'for? new trees and benches?'
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'whatever they're spending it on, they've got a bunch left over for investments'
T3/r4/2011-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'many other sites can barely afford to get the grass cut.'
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wow, a few years ago helium-3 was $1000 a gram, now it is $7000 a gram, and in a few years probably $15k+ a gram.  We should mine the moon for it, since it is rich in the element.'
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh thats right, our prez shut down our only means to get to the moon and back.'
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'zero golf courses on the moon'
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the current value of the known helium-3 on the moon is around $2 trillion.'
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that doesn't factor in transport or extraction, I bet.'
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'add some zeros there!'
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Bernanke can print 1trn in seconds :)'
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, the current figure is based on the limited rocks collected last time we went to the moon.'
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and from a few moon landers'
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'so the value is represented in 1969 dollars?'
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it probably worth much much more.'
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '$50 billion would cover the getting there, and building of a moonbase for the collection of helium-3, and a separate lab to create nasty new viruses and weapons to kill aliens with.'
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'all the aliens are in the southwestern states, aren't they?'
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also, I haven't noticed the administration having much in the way of resource/exploration/space policies'
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'China will probably get to the moon before we do it again, and then they can benefit from the helium-3 to fuel their reactors.'
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'China otoh has plans for all that stuff..'
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada rapidly nods twice, in complete agreement.
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's like a million dollars a pound (or was that a ton?) to send stuff from Earth to low-orbit.'
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'someday we will have fusion powered space ships exploring the solar system....wooo.'
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but it will never happen if we keep spending money on tax breaks to the rich, and cutting spending on hard science.'
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if conservatives had their way, you all would be studying the bible instead of a biology book. :p'
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Faith based biology.'
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Democrats already have their way...and only 12% of American children are proficient in American History AND the move is underway to force all districts to include Gay and Lesbian History in the mix.'
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'The real question is, what percentage of Republican presidential candidates are proficent in American History?'
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'who said anything about democrats?  I said conservatives, learn how to read, instead of listening to your bible on tape :p'
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'to be fair, there aren't any conservative democrats.'
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure there are, just like there are moderate and liberal republicans.'
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lamya is imagining how up set Paul Revere must have been when he remembered that he was supposed to be warning THE COLONISTS.  Doh!
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'britney spears says she is a conservative republican.....run for the hills.'
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Britney is Whore Incarnate.'
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Enohet: 'Evolution.'
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Liathum: 'Was an interesting movie.'
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you know who we need to elect to the Presidency, Liza Campanelli.'
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Enohet: 'Dude... you gotta give us a chance to answer...'
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'why?'
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'teacher pay needs to be increased, and school admin pay lowered, since the admin are needed so much.  In my old high school we had students earning credit for learning how to do office stuff.'
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'are not needed so much....that is'
T3/r4/2011-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: '"7 years in Th'Net" now showing at your future employer. Some companies requiring prospects to pass a social networking test that scrapes the internet for everything you've done there for the past 7 years.'
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'When was the last time the US defaulted on its debt?'
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'did we ever actually default?'
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I think it's like the nuke scenarios, we came really darn close but then the solution saved us from disaster.'
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'there was the glitch in 79, which doesn't really count, and then there's the replacement of gold with fiat currency in 1933'
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the 1933 event would certainly count as a default these days'
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quiet Nuala: 'And then the gov forced ppl to give their gold back to the gov in the 70s didn't they?'
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nicely asks Quiet Nuala to be more quiet.
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quiet Nuala cowers in a corner and whimpers softly.
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'in the 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s, and now in the 10s'
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'there was the gold confiscation in 1933, and then in 1970 Nixon removed the 25usd = 1ounce gold rule'
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'someone just lost a big pile of double-headed gold coins the other day, actually'
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quiet Nuala: 'ow'
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they were discovered in a safety-deposit box'
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quiet Nuala: 'Oh yeah, I saw that'
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quiet Nuala: 'gov said they'd never been released to the public'
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Inflation is a pretty ugly tax, and I'm inclined to support some modified version of a metallic currency standard'
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quiet Nuala: 'found in a deceased father's dep box at the bank'
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada boggles at Quiet Nuala.
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quiet Nuala: 'so they confiscated the coins'
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'but of course since the government loves ordinary people, they got full compensation, right? :)'
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no'
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quiet Nuala: 'doubt it'
T3/r4/2011-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that should teach them ... to construct a too big to fail corporation next time, then'
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Assuming that at the US government will get around to increasing taxes - whose money will they take?'
T3/r4/2011-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'l'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gawyn: 'woohoo'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xecour: '...'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gawyn: 'woohoo'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Blah blah you're wrong.'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gawyn: 'I agree, everyone is wrong but me'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Also, I forgot that debate was colored in such a way as to encourage anger. Huh.'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gawyn: 'rofl nodnod, seeing red are we?'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Just a bit'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xecour: 'I've got a lovely bunch of coconuts'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thrakun: 'nuke israel then no more probs in mid east'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'could also say the same about the rest of the middle east.'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thrakun: 'true true'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thrakun: 'lets nuke them all'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gawyn: 'where you from Thrakun?'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Nuke America, no more problems here at home.'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thrakun: 'america'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Except that all problems in the middle east are caused by countries outside the middle east.'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, even if israel was destroyed, the bastards would still come after the west because of idiocy.'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gawyn: 'well i'm from Iran so haha lets not nuke the middle east, k thanks'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VelvetLies: 'let's only nuke tv dinners for approx 5-6 minutes.'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Why would you be from Iran? Why would you do that? That's silly. You're silly.'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thrakun: 'no all probs in the middle east are caused by israel'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rascally Ryke snickers with VelvetLies about their shared secret.
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gawyn: 'i'm obviously not, this whole conversation is just retarded'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, the problems of the middle east go back thousands of years, israel has little to do with it except being an excuse today.'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'That's why it's on debate. :3'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VelvetLies: 'yeah, since there were two people with rocks to throw at each other.'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gawyn: 'and why is it an excuse today?'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, they can't very well blame eachother, even though they love to fight eachother.'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'would have been better for all if after WWII, the middle east was kept one large country, instead of a bunch of smaller ones.'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or if actual tribal considerations had been thought of when the lines were being made.'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Best would probably be if we let the people of the middle east figure out things alone.'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they can do that after all the oil is sold.'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, as long as people stop complaining about terrorism.'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'until then, fat chance, all we need is even more whackos in control of the oil, at least the ones that are there now sell the oil to the west.'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'But what if the thing they figure out is, "Hey guys, if we work together we can -really- mess up those dirty, filthy Westerners!"'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then we can destroy them.'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'since terrorism really isn't in the list of top ten problems, we might also mostly ignore it and focus on important things'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'We never destroy anybody. Well, we do, but then we help them rebuild so that they can come at us again.'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, but the people who are left will sell the oil to us again. :p'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Let's just go green, then the joke would be on them.'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no thanks, I like gasoline, it makes my car go good.'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rizgoth nods.
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rizgoth is trying to get a flying donkey???!!! to join [Emerald] again, must be the sexy green armour.
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Personally, I would love to go to the one non-renewable fuel with the longest-term supply and most localized environmental damage.'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'China is heading for a huge economic decline that make the current western recession look like a hiccup.'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xecour: 'substantiate'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Spending who knows how many billions of dollars building a city in Eastern Mongolia for 1.5 million people, and no one lives there.  It was built to prop up the local economy.'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the occupancy rate of commercial buildings is low compared to most big cities, but they keep building new commercial real estate, to prop up the economy.'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The chinese govt has mandated almost no interest loans to anyone who wants to create a business, and the return on investment is much much lower, if a return even happens compared to most western countries.'
T3/r4/2011-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They are building a huge bubble, and it will burst, and we will see japan 2.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'http://www.wtfnoway.com/'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada rapidly nods twice, in complete agreement.
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'nice site, I like the layout.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Now lets make a site where we see if can reach the moon if we use 1 cent coins on top of eachother!'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I haven't noticed any politicians talking about the last pile'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'but then that is the pile that makes it obvious to any sensible observer that some form of default is inevitable'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'how do you propose that be made smaller'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The solution will be increased taxes through inflation and decreased benefits through same (reduced cola)'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'but I've said that since I looked at the treasury report two years ago, so nothing new from me :)'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'americans will be up in arms if that happens'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'notice that cola alone was around 2 trillion last year, more than the official deficit'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'would take a ballsy government to do that'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Increase income, decrease expenses. Simple :)'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'tell that to the % of people relying on govt handouts :)'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Thanks to funny CPI-manipulation there was no cola in 2010, 2011. If you believe there was no inflation, well, I still have a few bridges left to sell. Didn't notice any US revolts though.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'apparently prices haven't increased since q3 2008, lucky americans'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'has anyone read 2083: A European Declaration of Independence?'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'well, only parts of it, it's sort of long..'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'nod'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Unsurprisingly I agree with a lot of the political/philosophical background, since that's fairly obvious. I don't particularly favour hurting people, though.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'of course.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '..since we Norwegians are not much fond of violence, unless of course it's for a good cause, like the bombs for peace in Libya..'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada crosses his arms and nods slowly and sagely.
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'yeah, that is just bombs for oil.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm not even sure why it's being done, really. Those rebels appear to be mostly scum.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'cos your president hates gaddafi :p'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'work and work..can you imagine what the interest on US debt would be if they didn't print money?'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'mis!'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'hehheh'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In the mid 90s sweden had a large deficit and a big debt, not quite as big as the US, but around 76% of GDP. We managed to solve it with one simple agreement between all political parties. We made it illegal to have a budget deficit. Worked fine, we are now at 40% of GDP in debt.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Of course, the devil is in the details.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods at Ranrr.
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Sweden has a slightly more functional political system, though. Quickly list the representatives and senators who would vote for the rather harsh tax increases and spending cuts necessary to balance the real (gaap) budget..'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I wouldn't know, I live in Sweden :)'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada beams a smile at Ranrr.
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the US treasury estimates a gaap deficit in the area of 4-5trn per year for the last years, and at the moment it seems impossible to put together a deal to save in 10% of that, which gives you a hint.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, but the US has some quite simple things to do, compared to what we had. Decrease spending on wars, remove unfinanced tax cuts etc.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But it's going to be painful to live in the US in the future. High taxes and no benefits from those taxes.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods at Ranrr.
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'in order to balance the budget, federal tax income must be doubled, approximately'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'slightly less if all the wars stop'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And how high is the federal tax rate atm?'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'about 15% of gdp'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'To encourage americans into purchasing more US debt, the govt should cap the income tax on taxable federal bonds to 20%, and the interest would not be counted towards your total income.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Enohet: 'I just wanna see a president with boobs. Woooooo!'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xecour: 'substantiate'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Enohet: 'I. Like. Boobs. Woooooo!'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he wants hillary clinton to run. :p'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'we shld really be discussing this stuff on debate'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, boards are for serious business.  Channels are for just foolin' around.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: '... ?....'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: '.... might be nice to actually discuss rather than posting a note to reply to 100 other notes'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'common sense'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not really, because with notes there's a record of who said what and those who are offline may contribute or reply later'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'there's always a record'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'trust me'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'one that everyone can read, without limits such as online/offline'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I know lasher has a record :P'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'i understand your comment, but it still leads to less response'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you can discuss on debate and THEN post, but if you want to make sure it gets read, it should go to general.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'erm, the boards'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Lasher is not Abelinc, we cannot just hit him up for discussion minutes'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, you can post on ideas saying that lasher should grep debate for worthwhile commentary, but I doubt it's going to happen, there is way too much noise.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'not my fight to keep players here'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'because debate is not just for mudside debate, but for rl debate as well'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'i'd imagine this is a controversial topic'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you're certainly free to debate it.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'and we'd like to keep flamming down'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: ''help debate' majic'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'um, why are you claiming that I don't know what debate is?'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'pk versus nopk is not really a controversial topic'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Flaming? On the debate channel? Never!'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: '...and you want to know why aard is dying'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I said you're perfectly free to debate it and hash out details, but the final form of your argument should go on the boards.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Aard isn't dying, troll harder.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majehsto: 'some of goals aren't solvable'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon nods at Rascally Ryke.
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'adjust or fade away...bottom line'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Aard isn't dying, Aard will never be full-pk. If you don't like it, leave.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there may be a potential market for full-pvp, but many current established players who've already found aardwolf would leave if it suddenly went full-pvp.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'all goals are solvable, if you cannot solve them then it's a reflection on your intelligence or at least on your commitment to goalsolving.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Interestingly enough, on WoW, which you referenced, PvE servers tend to do better than PvP.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'And even on PvP servers, it's not full PvP. There are PvP zones and non-PvP zones.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: '...I'm not seeing why anyone would want Aard to be a full-on PK mud anyway. If you want to PK, join a PK clan. It's not freaking difficult.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'So, next time you want to make an argument by analogy, make sure you get your analogy right in the first palce.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Actually, Ryke, I'm all for an opt-in pk option.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Well, an idea was brought up a little while back about "buying into" PK.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'd love to see an opt-in pk system disassociated from clans.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon nods at Dispel Majic.
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rascally Ryke nods.
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'guys, guys, tone it down a little.  This is the most activity Debate's had since the last time Druzil said something.  It's a nice enough change of pace that we probably shouldn't rush it.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic looks smugly at Dokkar and screams, "NO U!11 Dokkar!!" in her most classy voice, You are gripped by an urge to join in.
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Channels are not limited resources. You've been playing too many facebook games. :P'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Hey hey, channel erosion is serious business.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I'm probably the only one who doesn't have a facebook page yet his doppelganger does.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'i'm not really on facebook....farm on though'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'have you checked out faceglat.com?'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'i've logged once or twice'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'use email pple!!'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Anyone here have a tablet device ?'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'i don't need to know what you did for dinner last night?'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I do.  Two every time I have a headache or my allergies act up.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'lol'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I like facebook better than email :P'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'really?'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dont be a retard :p'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'why if i may ask?'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'unless it's long, complicated, and private, yeah.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'ah'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Because if it's just something like 'hey see my new kitten' '
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'short is best'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I want to see the new kitten :P'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'nods'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'i love pussys too'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but I don't want to have to open an email and download a pic, I just want a quick glimpse.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Facebook is the devil.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'adopting a dog thoughj'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'similarly, it lets me keep up with my old friends from 10-20 years ago without having to send an email to which they have to reply.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'that's what the mud is for!'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'lol'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, that's fuckbook.com.  It pops up everywhere.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'they don't all mud :P'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'teehee, you said 'pops up', hur hur'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'but they cld'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'If they don't mud, they're not very good friends. :x'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'too see you at a moments notice'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'they don't and won't :P'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'But they don't.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'well...that's your friends for you then'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but the point isn't to send them an email and engage in a personal conversation.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'nods...follow'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'good deal'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the point is just 'hey, jessica joined the marines, how cool' instead of jessica sending an email to everyone saying 'dood i joined the marines' :P'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'or whatever.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'yeah...but you're much more likely to reply if its an email'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'least imo'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'depends on if I care or not.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if I get random info on facebook I just keep scrolling.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'why wld you read or care about someone 'if I care or not''
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if I get emails I don't care about, then I delete them.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, sometimes I care about some things and not others.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'so i've read'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if you don't enjoy it -- that's fine. nobody says you have to use it. you just asked why I liked it and I explained :P'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'that's the problem....no body has 100 friends'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'i'm not saying don't'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I also like being able to post a stupid joke and get a few people clicking ''
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I also like being able to post a stupid joke and get a few people clicking 'like' instead of getting 10 emails saying 'hahaha' '
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'basically, facebook is for gossip and chatter, emails are for important shits.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'thats not true either. i am friends with my family and i know them all. and its well over 100'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'what's your personal info?  If you like spam so much, we can help generate it for you.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'done'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'let's do gay marriagew?'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'or the fact that republicans don't represent the average american'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'what makes you think that?'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'there ARE more republicans in office than there are democrats, in pretty much all levels of government.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'but there are more liberals who can vote'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon peers intently at Cardos.
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Actually, the major parties make up about 40% of the population each.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'the 20% that are not a part of the major parties end up making the actual decisions.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'a 3rd vote is just a waste'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'least til we get a 4th and can really divide the votes'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'They usually vote for one of the two parties, and they're the voting block that actual decides.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'republicans are screwing themselves'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I'd state that as 'people who support either party's mainline are screwing themselves'.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you think Democrats sitting on their laurels letting Republicans do all the whatever is a better thing?'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'i don't...they both scrambling at this point'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'And both over stupid shit.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'what's disgusting is 'at this point''
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'i almost want Obama to serve one term.....'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'just to stand up...to someone'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'anyone'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I don't.  I thought he'd have done more damage by now.  He needs to be re-elected.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'lol'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'he's done a bit'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'more than bush dare i say'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: '*duck*'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'You say that like it's some sort of accomplishment.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'rofl'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'literally'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'At a certain point, the candidates for major parties ("useful votes") are so immoral or incompetent that you can no longer defend voting for the lesser of two evils, have to "waste" your vote on a 3rd party candidate.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'they all evil'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'lesser of two'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Obama's getting invited to the next Dinner for Shmucks'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'is why 3rd party won't work atm'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'doh...bb'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The number of feasible parties is determined by the election system.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'When each district elects one representative, you'll end up with two parties, or, if you are very lucky, three.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'A two party system does have one huge advantage - it's not a one party system. Sadly there usually aren't any further significant advantages.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'two party?'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'demopublicans'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: ''tiny kicks''
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'ok, it's spelled two-party, but whatever..'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '...'i was balded''
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'starling standing behind you?'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'stand firm democrats'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'on debate now dokk'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'gay marriage is ok?'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Itox: 'yes'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'stand firm dems'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'veto it...let them feel what we're all going through'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shinso: 'Can you ever "pray out the gay"?'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'perhaps when reading fiction'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'harry ptter?'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'did it help?'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'guessing no...*wink daniel*'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'global warming is fact?'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'yes'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kalsch: 'geez, troll much?'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's being man-made, not so much'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'yes / no'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'its ignorant of man to think he'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'he's had no life'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'it's ignorant to think modern men think they've had no affdect'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'however small'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'old obama face'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shinso: 'followed by crying boner face during the rebuttal'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'WHAT?'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '...of they can suck ig'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'crying boner face?'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shinso: 'Beohner cries often.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'what he regrets last drawing on his anthony.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'owwwwwww'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'lol'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'beohner is a lost cause'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'cut the fucking war budget, bring our "boys" home, legalize everything, tax it.  problem solved'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'as a democrat....bring em home......'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'walls and all'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you forgot about the cartels.  Legalization makes everything cost less, plus they have to pay money to the government now?  Sounds like someone's gonna get shot.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'cut out the cartels, and go to war at home if we have to'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'since the cartels aren't going to pay taxes, they'll most likely figure out that Joe Smokie's growing his own and shoot him (ie, you) instead.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'that issue is too close to home, to just let it keep going on.  The cartels are a real threat to "american" security'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they are already home, Ehn.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'your right'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'the mexico "border" was built by the people walking around it'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we built the walls, the mexitards built the tunnels'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'we paid for the walls, they put them up'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'rofl'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'i built fences for a summer, fences are bullshit, anyone with a pair of tin snips can walk right through'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'how...reflective'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'how... trollish'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '...and there ya go'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'can't get anyone'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nods...ehns'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'lol'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: ''anyone''
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'sorry'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'ole boner face'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i still have a prob re pronounce'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'boner vs baner'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'at no time was a tax rate increase on the table'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'reps disgust me'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'they must be too busy flying around in their jets'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'again, no one's tax rates wlda changed'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'period'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'sorry....but if you're flying around in a jet...then step off'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i'm sorry you can't fly your jet next year'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '*mutter*'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'hrmmm'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'the intellects are quite tonight'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'stand tight dems'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'more of us than them'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'mutter'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i just grabbed the most pop imm channel'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and you sit there'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'are heterosexuals so intimidated by a shower with any sex that they might consider themselves gay>?'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'do you mean, with the same sex?'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'your perceptage'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'not mine'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'unless worried more about what 'shld be said''
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'huh?!'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'nods'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'i don't think the problem is sexuality as a whole but people are squimish when it comes to nudity'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'being squeamish with nudity is pretty deeply ingrained in NA culture'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'i'd say the same about the prudes about'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'trust me...'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'we are never at a lose of what to do with it'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Enohet: 'It's an illusion of pride, hide your goodies, there are few worthy to see them.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Enohet: 'rofl!'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and....we do love it...'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'that scares most of you'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'you make little to no sense'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'and i apologize not'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '*lick averan*'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'don't be so generous, say that he makes no sense at all.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'is willie nelson going to jail for dope?'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Enohet: 'is the president going to jail for black?'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Enohet: 'NO, it's a part of him stoopid.'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'no he's not'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'interesting question, Enohet... does the skin color of the president bother you?'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '?'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: '*licks chops*'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kamdble: 'whiter shade of pale peeps'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'doh'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'i mistyped that'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'rofl'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'rofl'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'anyways'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: 'lol...tried 'strut'...wldn't play'
T3/r4/2011-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cardos: '*sigh*'
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majehsto: 'note read 15263'
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'tier more.'
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majehsto: 'what about the gold issue'
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'kill more mobs.'
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majehsto: 'so you disagree'
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'yes.'
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majehsto: 'anyone agree with that?'
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majehsto: 'I think it's a brilliant idea.'
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'With you? No.'
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh, and nobody buys food...just carry a drink container filled with something like milk :-)'
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'why does everyone want a shortcut to the top'
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Which board is this on?'
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'doesnt anyone believe in hardwork and effort anymore'
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majehsto: 'idea'
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ideas'
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Haha no.'
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'We're fine.'
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'milk, coke, root beer, cranberry juice, orange juice & some custom drinks (the water in the academy, but not other water fountains) help with both hunger and thirst'
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, don't wanna add to the general board spam, so choosing a chan to make smal comments :P..."They drop out when they realize that the game can't be 'won' in a few months, cause that's what they have been conditioned for."...but if we made the game so it COULD be won in a few months...they'd do that and they'd STILL drop out cuz they've finished :P'
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'short-term players will almost always be short-term players...it's a mindset'
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we can distract them while they're here, but they'll never be the core of Aard'
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'they're always looking for the cheat code'
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"It may sound pessimistic, but let's be honest: When this mud was in its prime there were double the amount of players on the who list." Umm, not even close...there's a reason that Lasher posted actual online data along with his post. Aard was never consistently above 500 players online'
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'only when multiplaying was allowed those few times'
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majehsto: 'I still don't see whats wrong with even a 1% increase of gold for higher levels'
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"By that very statement, you send potential players elsewhere. You either change and adjust or fade away. That desire is entirely up to the Imms and Lasher."...tbh, sending what some may call "potential players" elsewhere isn't necessarily a bad thing. Aard will never be all games to all gamers, nor should it be. Particularly when it comes to things like OPK where you may be as likely to send away as many current players if it were changed as you are sending away now without it being changed. On the context, I think that an OPK flag would be a good thing, but ONLY as an additional flag beyond standard PK.'
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'That was posted by Kamdble.'
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nod, eureka was mumbling something about that last night'
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I was watching navy seals & not paying attention :-)'
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Yeah, mass idiocy on gossip.'
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"It's very unrealistic that you will ever earn enough donations to finance yourself a full-time job, and if so, it would be way too risky to actually do it, wouldn't it? Hence, there should be really more coders working on this mud."...Hmm, we can't pay for one coder, so we should have three?'
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon snickers with you about your shared secret. 
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'three in India'
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'bah, there's enough good-intentioned notes on the board, don't need more spam :P'
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r4/2011-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"Of course, Lasher's right that some people stay because of that infinite lead they "need" to maintain, and others will leave because there's no longer an end."...and still others would leave because of the definition of the word "end"...'
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'who needs drugs when there's such beautiful weather outside?'
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'because i have some left over'
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'how to cook bacon: fry in a pan or bake it?'
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'go'
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'anything goes. raw is good as well'
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'ever had candied bacon?'
T3/r4/2011-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and smoked'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'are there too many computers in new vehicles?'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'There are too many computers in everything.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PenguinGod Galoth: 'you can hack a car through the disc player right now, its hilarious'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it costs more fuel to turn the alternator to charge the battery to run them, and a mechanic can't really do with the unneccessary computer chips what he could with the mechanical parts'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like a cell phone too, i hear people actually look for the simplest possible cellular phone, but they all come with a camera/gps/games and unneccessary things'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Landlines FTW'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if some company was trying to separate from the flock they could probably get a bunch of sale's by releasing a simple cell phone'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yeah, that's why I won't replace my cell phone until it's really dead'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it sends and receives calls, has a volume control and optional rumbler'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'I think pagers need to make a comeback'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Fond memories of getting paged and looking for the nearest pay phone..'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'The future sucks, I hate it. We don't even have flying cars. This is BS.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'good luck finding a pay phone, unless you're in a courthouse or an airport.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I agree with you, I want my fucking flying car'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'I know. :('
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'as a matter of fact, I want my transporter.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Ehhh, I don't think I'd want to use one..'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) PenguinGod Galoth: 'i don't want transporters, i don't wanna be half fly'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'pretty fly for a ..'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and of course, where would you find the infrastructure to support flying cars? Have you ever heard of ground effect?'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Rabbi. :P'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *Yay!*  Go Rascally Ryke!!!  Dispel Majic cheers him on.
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Ooh, you know. Transporters could probably be rigged to double as fat-removing machines'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Enter a lardass, exit anorexic. IT'S THE FUTURE.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that could be iffy, you need some fat'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'for example a chick who went through on fat-removal would come out boobless.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'I never said it would be pretty >.>'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Next FOX reality show:  Teleport makeover.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'plus, a woman can be seriously ill if <10-12% iirc.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'I don't understand anorexic women at all.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's a mental disorder.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's not rational, if they were rational they wouldn't be anorexic :P'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VelvetLies: 'also, they don't understand you, either'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: '>implying that any woman is rational'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hmm. You could swear Rascally Ryke has been here just a second ago. You wonder where he went ...
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic implies with her middle finger that she would like Rascally Ryke to fuck off!
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rascally Ryke looks at Dispel Majic with a pout on his face.  What is he, six?
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'kinda like it doesn't make sense for someone with OCD to wash their hands 25 times a day or whatever their symptoms are'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undeniably Ladanday: 'to be fair, if humans acted in much of a rational manner at all, psychology would be a very boring science.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'OCD is terrifying.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Undeniably Ladanday.
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undeniably Ladanday: 'Have you ever been sick, puked, and then not eaten a food for a very long time?'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Uhm.. define really long time?'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undeniably Ladanday: 'Well..how about "at all"'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'No, 'cause then I'd be dead.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undeniably Ladanday: 'Orly?'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undeniably Ladanday: 'You ever get sick, and then lose your appetite for eggs or clam chowder or beef stew?'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Oh. No, not really?'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Although I did get sick and develop a love of biscuits!'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I never have an appetite for clam chowder, so I guess I must be sick.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undeniably Ladanday: 'This teaches me to try to make a point on debate :P'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'make the poiint'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VelvetLies: 'i think the point is the aversion'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the aversion comes from a chemical change in the body, of course.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'oh, you meant a specific food, i thought you meant any food.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undeniably Ladanday: 'Nobody acts very rationally. Proof being that people tend to avoid food after being sick, despite knowing that food did not make them sick'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undeniably Ladanday: 'And yes, specific food.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that's pretty much a biological adaptive response to teach you to avoid things that make you sick'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's because acting rationally is a skill, something very few people bother to practice.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rascally Ryke nods.
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'although unfortunately, something I used to love now makes me sick :('
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VelvetLies: 'you can't expect a sick mind to behave rationally.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undeniably Ladanday: 'Yeah, it's because you get sick, so your brain goes "oh, this is what I ate, it obviously made me sick"...that's not rational, but it's sensible'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'stand'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rascally Ryke sighs.
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that's not an aversion that's misguided thinking. Aversion is when you eat the food and you get a bad chemical reaction from it.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'That was my point!'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'i think you're talking at cross-purposes here'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'your brain doesn't consciously think that, your body subconsciously thinks that and develops the aversive response.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'which is imo what ladanday was saying.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undeniably Ladanday: '...Yes, thanks'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'granted, but subconscious thoughts don't come from the cortex, the seat of rational thought. It comes from the limbic bundle, the seat of reptile thought. '
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I don't think he claimed otherwise :P'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undeniably Ladanday: '...Your point?'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that if you don't use your cortex you are not being human, you are being  just like any other animal that doesn't have one.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undeniably Ladanday: 'If you really want to go there, everything boils down to the attention gating mechanism in the central executive...dunno what "cortex" you meant, but that's an important one'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I have a taste aversion to chocolate -- I see no point in overriding it just to prove I can :P'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'humans have 3 brains, the cortex, the mammalian brain and the limbic system. The cortex is what differenciates  primate from the rest of the animals.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undeniably Ladanday: 'lolwut'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'except dolphins, dogs, bears, etc'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'dogs don't have a cortex'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'neither do bears or dolphins, only primates.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undeniably Ladanday: 'you have completely lost me with wtf you're talking about'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'I think he's saying sick people are like dogs'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'every mammal has a cerebral cortex o.O'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you said "they subconciously think". I am saying that if they subconsciously think they are not acting human.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are wrong, Vakieh.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undeniably Ladanday: 'See, you say "cortex" and I think "what cortex"'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'look it up in a dictionary.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'dictionary lists several meanings'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undeniably Ladanday: 'Every mammal does have a cerebral cortex.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Cortex means, in this context, 'outer layer''
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And every mammal has a cerebellum, hence, cerebral cortex'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'every animal has a cerebrum, which in humans and other primates, composes the cerebellum.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'sorry, Cerebrum'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Which is where the cerebral cortex is'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that is what the mammalian brain is. If you want to tell me that the structure of the mammalian brains are the same as those of the reptiles, I suggest you write a paper about it. I am sure they will want to hear your views.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undeniably Ladanday: 'I think you're confusing cerebellum with cerebrum'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the cerebral cortex is just the outermost part of the cerebral tissue. '
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, that's not where the cortex is. The primate brain has another layer over the mammalian brain.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nobody said reptiles had a cerebral cortex, they specifically said mammals :P'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Citation needed, Anaristos'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the primate brain is tripartite.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undeniably Ladanday: 'Uh...wut'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undeniably Ladanday: 'I must admit I'm an immunologist, so this isn't quite up my alley, but I've never heard of this before'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerebral_cortex'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Oh lord, Wikipedia'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's the quick one, Ryke. If you want another source, just look for it. It's no secret.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Hmm..'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undeniably Ladanday: 'he cerebral cortex is a sheet of neural tissue that is outermost to the cerebrum of the mammalian brain.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the article you just linked refers to cerebral cortices of non-primate mammals.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Ok, so perhaps you mean 'neocortex'...however, mammals -still- have one of those'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: '...and what they said.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I just read the first line. But here, how about this, you don't want to accept it, it won't bother me :)'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'as a matter of fact, down at the bottom, it refers to measurements taken of the cerebral cortex of a shrew.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'http://www.proofgodexists.org/trinity_and_the_human_brain.htm'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undeniably Ladanday: 'If you read the first line, you'd obviously know that every mammal has a cerebral cortex'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'And a quick Google search shows multiple sources all citing the fact that all mammals have a cerebral cortex.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Nobody wants to accept it because you are incorrect. '
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'That is a human brain - with the neocortex you are discussing'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as you wish'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'But if you want to believe that you're the rebel with the trewth ... '
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Which is present in ALL mammals...'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'whatever you say... I think I'll ask my dog to help me with this pesky 2nd order differential equations I've been having problems with :)'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Upon further reading of that link, it is a god thing - don't scroll down :-)'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rascally Ryke sighs.
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'furthermore, discussing the triune brain theory that you're propounding -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triune_brain'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'The neomammalian complex consists of the cerebral neocortex, a structure found uniquely in mammals. MacLean regarded its addition as the most recent step in the evolution of the human brain, conferring the ability for language, abstraction, planning, and perception.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'How about the trailer trash PEOPLE...could they do that? Does that mean they are missing a part of their brain ???????'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, that means that they don't use it, Vakieh'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Because humans are better at math doesn't mean that they don't HAVE that part of their brain. It means that that part is more developed in primates and especially in humans.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'which was the point I was trying to make all along.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undeniably Ladanday: 'turns out that the frontal cortex correlates with the intelligence of a species...and nothing else'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undeniably Ladanday: 'not even the size of the brain'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Size doesn't matter, eh?'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't recall saying that large brains were an indication of increased intelligence.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undeniably Ladanday: 'as long as it's big up front and you use it correctly'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'iirc y12 biology, it is size relative to body mass, proportion of neocortex, and surface area'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and established neural connections.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'also, Scientifically, the triune brain hypothesis was based on what is now recognized as a faulty interpretation of the anatomical organization and evolution of the vertebrate brain. The idea holds little favor in current neuroscience.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'otherwise babies would be born already computing at college levels.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Knowledge != intelligence !!!!!!!'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'intelligence indicates a capacity for knowledge and ability. It doesn't indicate that you're able to compute without knowing it.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'again, I never said that knowledge was equal to intelligence. That would make old people automatic geniuses.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as it turns out we compute all the time, in fact, all animals do. It takes a lot of computation to get from point A to point B, no matter what kind of animal.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'A lot of IQ tests measure knowledge, not intelligence though.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'try doing the math required to do a slam dunk :)'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'IQ tests are known to be flawed for that that and many other reasons'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'an IQ test is kinda crap when you're comparing people who haven't had similar formative experiences.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there really doesn't exist an IQ test that can be said to be valid, since I am not aware of one that takes environment into account.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'IQ tests are a statistical thing - a lot of smart people will generally do better than a lot of dumb people - you get anomalies, however'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'especially the vocabulary section -- if you haven't had a lot of exposure to high-level language, you're going to do worse than someone who did.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undeniably Ladanday: 'I don't know that I've taken an IQ test with a vocab section'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undeniably Ladanday: 'That's more an SAT thing'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Language comprehension is included in a lot of them - 'what word goes here' etc'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure you have, you have to read the test.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what vakieh said.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undeniably Ladanday: 'I haven't taken one since I was in kindergarten though.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Neither have I, other than some internet ones just for fun.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undeniably Ladanday: 'I minored in Latin and linguistics though, so deal with it, IQ people '
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'My uni wanted to include them as entrance exams, but they got shut down HARD'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undeniably Ladanday: 'uh...*wink*'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'some companies give you IQ tests as part of their selection process, though they don't call it that.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undeniably Ladanday: 'Stupid client won't let me winkie'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Well, originally the SAT was more of an IQ test intended to give students from crappy schools who hadn't been coached for the Harvard or whatever entrance exams a chance to show they were able to compete.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Before the SAT those schools had many different entrance exams and they tested subject coverage.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, a school test should measure knowledge, and not intelligence.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the SATs are dead but haven't been buried yet. All they prove now is that the participant has learned how to take tests.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Honestly IMO it should measure both.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undeniably Ladanday: 'The ACT is the more accepted test these days though. Which seems to be a bit more "intelligence" oriented than testing your vocab and geometry ability'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, I took the SAT some time ago :D'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '15 years-ish.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the ACT is a lot older than the SAT.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vakieh lols at Americans and their silly tests
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the SATs used to be called the CEEBs'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undeniably Ladanday lols at Vakieh and his inferior schools :P
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'huh, no it's not, the ACT was originally developed as a competitor to the SAT.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the ACT is from the late 50s, the CEEB came out around the same time but were not in the format they are today, known as the SATs'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undeniably Ladanday: 'Sadly all standardized tests are flawed, and while I judge my students on a lot more than just test scores, I'm still forced to default to paper numbers in a lot of cases'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'do you grade on a curve?'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'CEEB is the board, not the test.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undeniably Ladanday: 'No, I grade on an A-B-C scale. Introductory genetics.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, and that's what they were called when they first came out.The CEEB test'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'good for you, Ladanday. I despise the curve.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'They were called the Scholastic Aptitude Test when they were introduced in 1926. '
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I really don't like curves, especially for classes smaller than say -- 100-ish. '
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'One of my friends had his 93% in precalculus turn into a C+ because the professor graded on a strict curve -- that was a while back :P'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undeniably Ladanday: 'I hate the curve. It's used in o-chem and other weed-out courses'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the glaring flaw with the curve is that your grade is not a measure of how well you know the subject but how well you fit in your class.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undeniably Ladanday: 'I got Cs in o-chem because I was just as good as all the pre-meds...and turns out I'm pretty damn good at science despite that'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undeniably Ladanday nods at Undertaken Anaristos.
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Yeah, fuck o-chem :P'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I quit chemistry and switched to math :P'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I liked o-chem :)'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undeniably Ladanday: 'O-chem was fun, just hard.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'm really bad at memorizing and it never fit into a coherent whole idea for me :P'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undeniably Ladanday: 'Except for when I synthesized sulfanilimide and found out I was allergic. That sucked. Also when my friend spilled pure benzocaine on my hand.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hah :D'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'my bf got in trouble in chem lab when he spilled the acid on the teacher's skirt and she had to strip really quickly :P'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'win?'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'or old teacher fail...'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Was she hot?'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undeniably Ladanday: 'Got in trouble? More like got in legendary status'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'she was really hot, or so I've heard :D'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undeniably Ladanday: 'yeah, chemistry TAs I hear are really hot and awesome at life'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'hrm... high school 'she has breasts' hot, or college/uni 'OMG' hot?'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I had 2nd degree burns when I dropped some 1-fluoro-2,4-dinitrobenzene on my hands. I took a week for the symptoms t show. By then my hand was cooking :)'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'this was in sixth form, so ... :P'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Translate for the Aussie? 6th form?'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that makes him a black belt.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'A levels.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you also do two years of specialization at the end of your schooling don't you? I'm not sure.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'so it would be 16 or 17 years old.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'We do kindy, years 1-12, then uni'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'depends on the field, most, you don't.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Or tafe (community college)'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in the US, specialization means either a Masters or a Docotorate.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Doctorate*'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Ugh.   I'm doing my Masters now :-('
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that's not at all what I was referring to :P'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undeniably Ladanday: 'Research masters suck...:('
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos goes ooOOooOOoo at Vakieh.
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Mine's a 'industry engagement' masters'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what's the field? Engineering'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I.T'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ah'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Covered under engineering though, yes'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so are you writing a thesis or are you taking the exam route?'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No thesis, just 2 years courses and 300 hrs industry work (read: interning for no pay)'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, well, you gotta pay your dues :)'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Plus I need ACS accreditation exams'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yay for exams ... meh.'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'so glad I've only got two big ones left :D'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Are the Gunrunner hearings getting any msm coverage?'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Fox is pretty mainstream.  Is this what you meant?'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'or were you referring to MSNBC and other Fox-hater media?'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada meeps at Dokkar!
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I don't really check the tv channels :)'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'but I suppose it makes sense for Fox to cover the hearings'
T3/r4/2011-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'so why the distinction about mainstream?'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Rep David Dreier R-CA: "The bipartisan agreement before us today is an historic achievement"'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'someone needs to take more history classes, or not get his 'achievement' standards from online games :)'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'Wait, an American said 'an historic'?'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'an historic is acceptable, because most of the noise in the 'hi' part is the 'i''
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'Acceptable, yes, but common in the US, no.'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'clearly he's a commie'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'That is the logical conclusion.'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I think it's terribly unfair to expect good grammar from politicians. Consider all the other subjects they are experts in.'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'What are those, again?'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Well, theres...and...not to mention...er...'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada is nodding his head so wildly you wonder if it will fall off. No, you hope it will.
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'Golf!'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada claps at Tharnin's performance.
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'come on, we all know they're the best at brown nosing.'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'not to mention the unquestionable talent of wasting your tax dollars :p'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Fah!  I could waste twice as much if I were elected!'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'but can you brown nose as well??'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'No :('
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'It's the only reason I'm not a political superstar.'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'that is the distinction :p'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada comforts Jhav.
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'what's the name of the place that defaulted some years ago after betting on interest rates'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'somewhere in the US, city or county thingy'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'no clue'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'but I know someone placed a billion $ trade against the US :p'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'betting against the US$ is surprisingly profitiable'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'here we go, Orange County, CA'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'yeah, their investment fund lost more than 1.5b on interest rate bets :P'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'seems like none of the currently proposed budget plans actually cut spending'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'In fact, using the currently popular Washington logic, freezing costs at the current nominal level would save over 2 trillion'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'over 10 years, which is what everyone is talking about these days'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'That's one of my favorite parts. I like the analogy of a middle class family deciding that they can save 200 grand by not buying a lamborghini.'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'whereas the proposals seems like they all expect spending to increase, but they 'save' billions by increasing spending less than a projection of current trends'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'nah, all you need is an aston martin'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'So I expect we can look forward to QE3, more inflation and cuts in pensions/social security'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Question:  If the United States were to make English our official language, would we have to remove "E Pluribus Unum" from our money?'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'english isn't america's official language?'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'weird'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'is english not?'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no averan'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there is no official language of the US'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I'm Canadian'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I prefer that to having an official language tbh'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daagar: 'but you get two!'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'english/french are the official languages, and the french are dicks about it'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'I thought Canada had two official languages.'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, flashback to the graffiti incident in canadian bacon ;-)'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'we do, but all it does is create this thing where one culture is superior to others'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I love that scene heh'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, NJ schools have to send everything home in like 13 languages'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Does that mean schools in New Jersey offer classes in 13 different languages?  As in, if I had gone to high school in New Jersey, I could have taken Manderin?'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nope'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Oladon . o O ( No, because "Manderin" isn't a language. )
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but if you only spoke mandarin, they'd work to still have you learn ;-)'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'Schools in NJ barely teach classes in English, in some cases. :P'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'The biggest problem I have with making English the Official Language of the United States is, do they honestly expect government business in Puerto Rico to be conducted in English?'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'actually that's an easy one to expect'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'English is spoken by more of the population of PR than of many cities in mainland US'
T3/r4/2011-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'If that's true, that only goes to show that an "official language" law is unnecessary.  Unless, of course, you intend to adopt an official language other than English.'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what do you all figure is the reasons behind all of the war's they say are happening or going to happen in the world today?'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what is your understanding of their ideologies about the mortal existance and how they conflict worthy of dying for against some other ideology'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i hear the results of things but not so much the underlying root causes of them'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Stupid people who don't take the opportunity to educate themselves, and a governing system which panders to that underlying, inherent, idiocy.'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'stupidity isn't always stupidity, money separates the wise from the dumb in the public eye'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it doesn't matter if you're the most retarded man on earth if you have the most money'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Only bc the public eye is a dumb machine - this is my whole point - stupid ignorant non-questioning masses'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as far as i've seen, government cater's to the rich in every instance, either directly or indirectly, bar none, and blaming their citizens for their negligence towards them doesn't make total sense to me'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Do they still have a job, money, votes? Check! Why would they behave any differently?'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they give statistics on amounts of voter's but not the amount of people who vote per capita, they'll take a sampling from a known list of phone numbers'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they're too poor to have a phone then they're not counted'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i heard even dead people can vote sometimes, but that's commonly noticed now'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lemontree: 'i like ice cream!'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lemontree laughs out loud.
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'voting for various people isn't what i meant though, i was talking about what is the belief at the core of these nation's that causes them to live in eternal hostility with eachother and trespass against eachother'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's all that's reall needed to be known'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'ify ou quote some scripture, instead give the meaning behind it'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do they have no belief, just a need to feed?'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'look at afghanistan for instance, canada's there for 10 years with america and some other nation's, and now the taliban is maybe more active there than before, or so they seem to indicate'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so what was the point in it, and why is it so impossible for them to organize people into a resistance against terrorism?'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I believe you're missing the point.  Look beyond the what, and look at the why'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they're just going to sit back over there and hate everything until the end of death then why should they impact this side of the world at all?'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'An anthropology or social science class might open your eyes to a lot of the world most people choose to ignore'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they live on the European/asian/african interconnected land mass'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lemontree: 'We cant do anything against terrorism, that is handled by the milatary, we are not obliged or required ro fight.'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Terrorism is caused by wars and injustices. As long as afghanistan is occupied by enemy forces, there will be terrorists in afghanistan.'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'those nations have plenty of military to take care of any threats that could possibly arise'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so why does america have to go over there at all?'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'They shouldn't. And same goes for all other countries.'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they can't secure their airports, then cut off all air travel to and from europe from america and europe to america'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lemontree: 'its the right thing to do.'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then do the same with ships and submarines'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then they can take care of their own half o the world'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lemontree: 'if you were to see your nextdoor bud hitting the shit out of his wife what are you going to do?'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i imagine somewhere in this world right now is several wives getting hit and they might be buds of somebody'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Because the first 2 times the US projected their military power into the Eur/Asia block it led to them becoming the single greatest power on Earth - that sort of result is hard to shake off in other situations'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'looking at the media it doesn't seem like women beating is a major concern to the governments'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You can't educate another country on democracy by occuping it. It has been proven in pretty much every was the US has been involved in wince WWII.'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'war, not was'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lemontree: 'USA has power, why not use that power?'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Eh, because it's wrong.'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if all of a sudden a new nation sprung out of south america somewhere and hassled america, do you think russia and china would come and take care of the dirty work, or would america be doing it?  or say that nation went ahead and attacked one of those nation's, and hid the attackers in its borders'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'For what end?'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fae Wino Joelz: 'I have a club capable of beating you senseless, why not use it?'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do you think america would go in and clean up the mess that they caused, or else china and russia would come in and do it?'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Why should any of them do it?'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'locality, half a world away'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's a similar hypothetical situation, but you know the answer like i do, only the other half of the answer is still a question'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No country is the world polics.'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lemontree: 'good point joelz'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I -really- think you are missing a great deal of what is going on here - you should research 'worldviews' and socioeconomic policies if you truly want to get the answers to your queries'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The only way for africa and the middle east to achieve peace is to leave them alone.'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortbus Stutz: 'club me like I'm a baby seal Joelz!'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: ''Is for the right people' to leave them alone - re government and drug/arms runners - aid and tech should not'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ranrr rapidly nods twice at Vakieh, in complete agreement.
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'those search term's result in multi-thousand page reports that usually don't reach the ultimate ideologies that drive nation's in reality, in fantasy land maybe, i tried looking it up plenty of times'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And there may be some exceptional case where it would be ok to send military forces, but that should not be done by a single country, it should be done by the UN.'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But that should be extremely rare.'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'thing i don't like about the UN is, if one country never had ap roblem with a country that the UN decides is a problem to one of its prominent members, then that nation either sends people to war against their friend or else gets taken out of the UN'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'in most recent cases it was, ranrr'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Somalia atm needs a reboot, we did too much damage to leave it now'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, we should make a new UN, where no country has a veto.'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, dunno how that'd solve anything...popularity contests are easy to win :-)'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and then what happens?  the old betrayer is on the hitlist of their old friend that they had to kill or be themselves singled out by the UN'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's like a warmachine conceptually, if you consider it in some ways, as i understand that's how it was formed'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, the current UN is powerless because of vetos, and there is really no reason why some country should have vetos because they won a war 65 years ago.'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but without a country having a veto, US wins with popularity/negotiated votes :-)'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i agree that people should have human rights , some basic set of priveledges for being alive and people from anations who can keep those together, things that benefit people and protect them from murderers and other forms of abuse'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'm not so sure about that. Asia tends to not care so much about the US.'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'US may not be popular with the people in various countries of the world, but ARE popular with enough political forces to force through votes'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but looking at the news and stuff and what kind of things are reported, all the death and evil in the world as protected by them, it doesn't look like they're really aiming for that'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, I think the UN has done decent choices when it comes to sending military troops. At least if you compare them with Nato.'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, UN's purpose is much different than NATO's'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'NATO was created as an us-vs-them organization'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes, that's why I want them to stay at home.'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's all possible, i'd just like to see the right people doing the jobs that need doing, like there's saudi arabia right beside these current conflicts, if they don't have any problem with the conflicts and they have no problem with the enforcers, then how come they have no problem with the defendents?'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's in their neighbourhood, and on a larger scale, the neighbourhood of africa, australia, england and even asia'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, monroe is dead'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but those are kind of far off compared to right in the immediate area where they are capable if they ever had a problem - i don't see why international war has to be declared '
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Saudi arabia and israel have no problem with the US, because they are allies. Ask lebanon instead.'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it seems that alot of conflicts in the world can be traced back to jurisdiction and who the sherrif is in that place, consider work for instance, you pay half of your pay cheque to the government, so you can file an income tax return and possibly get some back - and then you pay taxes on your house, your gas, your medical expenses, your food, your water and all your bills, your city.. etc - and that money all is in addition to the taxes you paid for the privledge of working - if you try to work without paying taxes you might not get hired, cause you can't find a employer who doesn't get incentive or pressure from the government to hire only people who pay them for the privledge of working, or else they prohibit you from even trying'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's alot of taxes, and who decides who the sherrif in your little town is in their jurisdiction?'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you pay for their wages'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if he's an asshole you have no say if he leaves or not'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sure you have say'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'thing's are far too monolithically controlled in the world, there is no community to it'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and at least in the US, all of those taxes are not cumulative on top of income tax'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's why accountants say to save receipts...you get credit for other taxes paid when you itemize...and without itemizing, it's just ballparking based on normalized usage'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'resistance comes in the form of maybe one sherrif against another, or else the citizens saying fuck off sherrif, or else in the form of i'm not paying you for what i do to be paid for my effort'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or in the form of voting the sheriff out of office'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you pay for the wages of the one who oppresses you and you pay for the one's he sends to oppress you further - take the G-20 summits in toronto and detroit or was that pittsburgh? for instance - these event's cost upwards of 1 billion dollars to lock down and staff before the anemnities - and then was a little more'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in one in D.C a protestor holding a sign that said fear totaliatarianism was shot in the head by a american government employee with a rubber bullet, and the cops laughed on camera about it after'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's the kind of shit your authority is '
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and you pay for them, insert your fascist analogies here cause i think that's right in line with about how it actually is'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'only in this world, there is no fleeing germany'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nah, there is no nation that isn't germany here'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the old metaphorical one that i'm thinking of'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'Are you debating yourself?'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm talking to your employees'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'never mind that the protestor refused repeated lawful orders'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'at them rather, like talking to the sky saying 'why, god why!' as somebody you love disappears'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you know god won't answer and there is possibly nobody there but you say it anyway'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '20 bucks in 1960 would feed you like a king for a week, today it wouldn't do that for a day'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'Here in Texas we elect our sheriffs, so yeah I could have a say in him leaving.'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who bases their life on money?  it's worthless in 30 years, maybe they're alright with being mortal'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'in 1960 you had to work a lot longer to earn 20 bucks...'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they don't do that where i'm at'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sure they do'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you just may have to look higher in the hierarchy'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'whether a position is elected or appointed, elections determine whether that person is in the position'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's amazing minimum wage isn't recalculated every time the dollar is, you'd think they'd have figured out that if you can't afford to buy with what you had yesterday what you can't afford today, the amount of effort putinto earning what can't be afforded would equally be inadequate'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe wall street and the government couldn't afford the 2 mhz processor required to perform the calculation in 8/10000ths of a second'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'Inflation doesn't occur incrementally...'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'has nothing to do with processor...'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you expect every small business owner to restructure their payment systems every day?'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Minimum wage increases often cost jobs - it is not as cut 'n' dried as you seem to think'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'Also, there are many different measures of inflation, which may or may not directly tell you how the cost of living has changed. It's not as easy as you want to make it seem.'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'once every 4-5 years maybe, unlike the canadian dollar and what you can buy with it - can of coffee went from 5 bucks to 15, dollar's value went up?'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'Of coffee got more expensive. It's not that easy.'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'Or, even'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'along with every other piece of product on the shelves'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'eco 101 - supply and demand dictate price in a free market - please stop making points without the knowledge needed to understand them'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'Only the market isn't completely free'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think they're actually producing more today than they did 30 years ago, but somehow they can justify the valuable dollar being unable to afford even a tenth of what it could afford in a relatively equal proportion 30 years ago'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'Your lack of understanding of inflation baffles me. I'll just stop.'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we produce a net increase of 45 % of product comparative to 30 years ago at this time, but of course, it costs so much more'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'inflation my ass, it's somebody sitting on a pile of product and greasing the world like a spent cow'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'Google present value please'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'In the instance of coffee, which is often used as an example in...ECO 101!!! (worldwide)...the costs increased due to increased demand for sustainable origin crops, well (or at least less poorly) paid and trained farmers, and an increased demand for fresher, faster transported product'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what's that got to do with the price of tea in china? }:>'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and then i read in books that the UN has themselves some base's set up in south africa, they are fictional books but the author musta got that from somewhere - so from 1990 to 2001 or thereabouts they were pretty quiet weren't they?  not much conflicts in the world beyond politics - and look at those feed the children commercials on television'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'any idiot from a half-decently developed nation can see that they lack alot of basic neccessities in their lives and that is alot of the reason why they are in that situation'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now, consider how they didn't spend very much effots at all over there in that 11 years'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then consider how they went ahead and screamed human rights violations in a nation that is moderately developed and has something they want and don't already have'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how much did they spend on war compared to how much would have been required to spend on development projects for those people'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why are people skeptical about their give a shit about human rights?'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i guess that's why, right?'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'at least from what we're told'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i bet more money is spent in a year on elephant preservation and habitat preservation than human condition improvements over there'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people always had a soft spot for zoo's, and comfort in knowing that they are not as others'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'If you think it's such a big issue, why not go do something about it instead of sitting at a keyboard and whining about it to internet strangers? :)'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cause this is rediculous, while that is extremist possibly'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and there's really nothing to be done'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'Then what the hell is your point?'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'except be aware it exists and try to figure out why'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some points aren't ever made, like why some kids have and some kids don't'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'was the berlin wall put up before or after ww2?'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: '(Is that rhetorical?)'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nah, a little known ponderance'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'It was put up in the early '60s, no?'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'remarkable, after nazi germany.. conditioning the leftovers?'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '1947 was the last recorded year of conflict there'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who was in charge of that?'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'right after the Macarthur doctrine went into europe'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what else are they in control of?'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So 50's actually, but it started life as a chain fence'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you do know that after nazi germany fell, germany wasn't one big happy country, right?'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the wall wasn't there for decoration'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so what was the difference between the concentration camp adolf hitler put up in 1931 dausomething, where a few died from poor living conditions but most were released within 6 months, and this here walled in area after all of the war criminals were dead?'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how can you confirm what you're seeing in those pictures aren't german bodies?'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Please.  Do.  Not.   Breed... That is all'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i had that right revoked sometime around grade 1'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'one was a border, the other was a camp'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'people were being forced into concentration camps...the berlin wall was just the border between 2 countries'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's waht i believe happened'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'to some degree, what else?'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what do you believe happened?'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe a little bit of do unto others as others have done unto you?'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'christian nations and all'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the berlin wall separated the tiny slice that we cared about (west berlin) from the country it was inside (east germany)...the "good guys" didn't wall off east berlin and lock all those meanies in one city...'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the father shall not be punished for the sins of the.. uhh, son'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so the wall is backward compared to what you're thinking of'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'jewish holy book sayings'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the wall wasn't made because of WW2'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yep, what else aren't they telling people about ww2'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the wall was made, not for the sins of the father, but for the sins going on at that moment'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'Well indirectly, it was a result of WW2. Without WW2 there would be no reason for the Russians and US to partition Germany'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Just realised I mixed up Macarthur and Marshall...my bad'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'oh yeah?  i read somethinga bout a deal between germany and russia about partitioning poland, which britain didn't take to and made a pact with russia about'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'when america was called in '
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why they chose russia to do business with instead of germany is a good question though'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'might want to take a look at maps...'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or why russia and germany didn't defend their acquisition'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'various parts of poland were part of both russia and germany at different points in time'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Germany as a nation did not exist until the 1800s - the whole area was built on city states, with Poland, Lithuania and Hungary hanging around on the East'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Read up on Bismark and the rise of Prussia, if you will'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'piles of dead bodies is all people thinka bout hmm, not why they're thankful that a strange wall is being torn down , hey it's a sign of freedom!  that was made neccessarily to be removed by the allied forces after ww2, you know, those children are so gullible they need to be fenced in like cows and raped into submission and stuff in order to make them conformant to the new world of things'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what do you reason is their reason for this thing?'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'again, druzil, you're backward on the direction of the wall'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'jeffrey dahmer that old serial killer was a male nurse in a german hospital, and molested a subordinate soldier before coming home to america to murder fuck his boys coll'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the side we loved was the one fenced in'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i wonder how many german inferiors he murder fucked for teh USA first'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's a classified study at best'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The Berlin wall, 101 - The wall was introduced to prevent the defection of Eastern Berliners to the West.  This was due to the partitioning of Berlin into a British, US, and Russian portion (continues)'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'I have a question'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'What is a "murder fuck"?'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we didn't wall out the bad guys to ignore them...it was a tiny city of good guys in the middle of the big sea of bad guys...'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'read up on how he treated his perversions'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'imagine that done without any fear of punishment, ah the grace '
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The us and uk merged their bits, Russia did not.  The US then implemented the Marshall Plan, which offered, among other things, interest free loans to rebuild western controlled Europe (still continues)'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'This led to a boom on western Europe, which was not at all matched by the Russian side, which used the Warsaw pact states as a 3rd world buffer, in abject poverty - this meant that if you went from East to West, you had a better life'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sounds like a concentration camp to me, allied kampf maybe'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's what i mean about war criminals never being brought to justice, they think they're right too'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'After losing some key people, the Soviets put a BIG FREAKIN WALL up to stop the Easterners from defecting, and employed agencies like the KGB and Stasi to prevent sneaky defectors'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not saying all, but jeffrey dahmers an indication of some percentile'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yeah, some percentage of the population are psychopaths.'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the mastermind behind the wall in the first place, he knows alot about gullible minds'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'come here little children, learn about what i want you to know about, why are you in this cage?  well, you see, god doesn't punish children for their parents actions'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you have adolf hitler genes in you you see, so you are guilty of somebody elses gene pool's relation to your homosapien self'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'so who was in the cage again? '
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The mastermind behind the wall was none other than Josef Stalin, a brilliant yet screwed in the head inddividual who both saved the USSR from WWII, but also destroyed the lives of its populace'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'New topic: grape jelly or strawberry jelly?'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'strawberry'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'duh'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'BETTER new topic - who calls it jam!'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'jam has the seeds in! jelly doesn't :D'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'I brought home strawberry and my girlfriend made me go back out'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'your girlfriend is deplorably fucked in the head :D'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'apple jelly and i prefer jam :P'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't believe in condemning everybody for the actions of a few, but hey, a legion of rapists get caught up in the bloodlust and see the immaculate pleasures of the forbidden flesh back home to feast on'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic ducks defensively.
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'god blessed sex slaves , the motivation behind all wars'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'I'm sorry, Druzil, but try to stay on topic.'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Humorously, Your Jell-o is my Jelly, and your Jelly is my Jam - We don't have anything called Jell-O, unfortunately'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'Trust me, you're not missing anything'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yeah, I told chuft I was having a peanut butter and jelly sandwich ...'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and what choice did the surviving german soldiers have in whether they fight or not, and how could they have survived stalins wall?'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'no aizma, they have jello, they just call it jelly -- what the us calls jelly and jam are both jam. :P'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that second is a question that is hidden from the historians mind because he doesn't want to see the reality of it'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'Oh, fuck that. Jell-o sucks.'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'possibly yeah?'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'anyway, to someone who's used to calling jello jelly, when you discuss a peanut butter and jelly sandwich it makes for a very odd mental image.'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lets see the american military draft and what happened if you said you're not going to go onto that boat'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'seems you went anyway'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the war was over for 15 years before the wall...'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'Druzil, type "alias debate echo" please :)'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'didn't we cover that already?'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'show me the backbone of idealists of the nazi sort that the nazihunter's on history tv enjoy to hunt down for the racial identiy and sense of false-justice that they so crave'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I thought all US tv kids were freaks until I found out the difference - then I thought 'Peanut butter and JAM???' They're still freaks...'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'haha :D'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'full of shit people those are, they should themselves be taken to trial for false accusations'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'peanut butter and strawberry preserves are delicious'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'with the draft, you had three options: join up, go across the border (usually canada), and go to jail'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'but peanut butter is best with fluff...'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Yeah, false accusations of TASTE!'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but don't make the mistake that I did and put it on raisin bread. :D'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the US should have a draft'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'would keep you out of wars'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or hide'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'i'll take a pint of draft. :D'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'a draft would not keep us out of wars, Dag.'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the voters would think twice'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'just out of bigger wars'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't care if you're a israeli or not, if you're full of shit i'll call you on it - unless you can show me the proof about how they survived stalin's wall (who was ever so merciful!) , jeffrey dahmer and other things like that - and there is reports that until 1942 (after a book i mentioned and other events, like poland) they were free to leave'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they even say on history tv that canada was very reluctant to let any of them in - but old people who were around then say that canada was one of the first nations to open its borders to people fleeing germany'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'just like they did for the half dozen wars and 2 dozen military actions we've had while the draft was active?'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'elders are liars too?  i think some of these elders must be if their stories don't line up'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'druzil, they didn't EXIST with stalin's wall'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or else themselves were misinformed'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'abe, people fleeing to canada didn't exist?'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he's talking about the german soldiers'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'because i'm pretty sure some of my relatives fled to canada. through germany'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and by pretty sure i mean they totally did it'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the nazi german soldiers didn't exist when the berlin wall was built'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that's true'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'because the wall was built 15 years later'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nod. west-germany was more popular destination'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't think any of it was good business, but this originally developed over how was the berlin wall erected and what is the difference between jeffrey dahmer's treatment of little boy's, the bible saying, and that 1931-32 concentraction camp, which was active for maybe 8 months as i understand it - which was mainly a interrogation camp for finding soviet spies'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they don't teach the history of the berlin wall in high school, but they teach ww2'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you can't teach everything.'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and they don't mention the 1939 agreement between russia and germany in those teachings '
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'I learned the history of the Berlin Wall in high school.'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Exactly.
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'actually I learned about it in 7th grade'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'russia still half-assedly denies it tho'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You nod at Dispel Majic.
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, mis :P'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'too bad the us kept their credit rating'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i was saving up for cheap shit from united states :'('
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Ebay, man - get it cheap from Shanghai!'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that's dealextreme ;)'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm talking books, records and computer components'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's cheap now, but i wouldn't mind cheaper'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'yeah, like we make any of that here anymore.'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'doesn't matter if you make anything. it's still cheaper than in europe'
T3/r4/2011-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'doesn't matter. their economy will just collapse a bit later'
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Katamari Habasi: 'quantum physics says particles can be in two places at once. I say maybe they're just moving faster than the frame rate of the human eye'
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Katamari Habasi: 'discuss'
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Eyes don't see via framerate'
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lemontree: 'Obviously it is in 2 places since particles arent exxamined via eye '
T3/r4/2011-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Katamari Habasi: 'framerate was a means to express an idea. what does examine particles? and at what speed?'
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'i'm sorry the US is so awsome is sucks yall into economic decline'
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Senator Starbug winks suggestively.
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'repeat that in proper English'
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'meh'
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'all your economies are belong to us'
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Senator Starbug rolls on the floor laughing at Xyliz's antics!
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lemontree: 'Would it be wrong to take credit for a natural process you managed to munipulate?'
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the most interesting (if disturbing) fact I've learned to date: The US government, since the 1970s, has been able to track its citizenship to as far as your last monthly bill payment.'
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Katamari Habasi: 'welcome to the new world order'
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Katamari Habasi: 'why are you surprised by this? have you heard of a thing called the internet?'
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lemontree: 'in the UK you get caught on avrage 350 times a day on camera'
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Katamari Habasi: 'its this wonderful new thing that has lots of information just laying around for anyone willing th work to get it'
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I was more impressed that they could do so that accurately BEFORE the internet existed.'
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Katamari Habasi: 'that's where half the money goes, watching their people'
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'perhaps even before the pre-internet networks were developed'
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'this software could hack into databases (utilities, banking, etc) to get your info, and by identifying patterns of increase or decrease among them they could derive more info about you (ie, whether you were hiding criminals or didn't fill out the census form accurately)'
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it even had a name.  PROsecution Managed Information SErvice (PROMISE)'
T3/r4/2011-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'even scarier is that this program was replaced with something with AI that could predict who would be in a position to threaten the interests of the country in any way (ie, Minority Report)'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 's&p prove that they have slightly more credibility than other rating agencies, I see'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh sure, and they are the same ones who said all the banks that needed govt funding to stay afloat were AAA rated right up to near bankruptcy.'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'That's why I didn't say they were credible! :) Just slightly more so than other companies (not counting those chinese guys, I guess)'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and Reuters 2nd headline on the case says "Obama officials attack S&P's credibility"'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the fact that running saltwater has been found on mars is more interesting.'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that would be awesome only if the officials said "you slackers, you should have cut us to bbb"'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada looks at Rizgoth and goes "Hmmmm."
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'already planning my mars saltwater fishing trip.'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *Yay!*  Go Rizgoth!!!  Tinada cheers him on.
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'soo..who wants to be that there will be no QE3? :)'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what is it exactly that make's a manned flight to space so expensive?'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people to put it together?'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't see what problem canada would have'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'it's done by the military'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'oh, so they aim a gun at whoever else wants to try .. or what is their issue?'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'china, india, russia and formerly usa'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'get enough weapons on a orbiting war base and not many people could do anything about it'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Ok, most of the cost is because of gravity, and single use machines'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it has it's implications for hostile nations, world domination and stuff'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'ok, but all of those material's are found here'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cost is in putting it together, which can be easily done by people here'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and retrieving the pieces'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes... '
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'People want to get payed. Raw materials are rare.'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how come they weren't too concerned with getting paid while they launched a new warship every 2 days durning the beginning of ww2?'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'floating across the arctic'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'What makes you think they weren't?'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'because i seen how they set things up on history tv, with video recordings from where they made them'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'money wasn't really much of an issue to them'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they did the same in america'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Also, war economy is different from peace economy'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lol'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so you call this a peaceful time?'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bunch of rattlesnake's waiting to strike is all it is'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, not in the US, maybe.'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But there is no world war.'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think there's a world war going on every day'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, you live in another world than me, then.'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nope, same one, you're just conditioned to the fence'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you learned to think the links are your friend'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if this isn't prison, then how come most people hate what they do in life?  how come there's no work that they want to do, and how come people somewhere else get paid for what they'd like to do, but which they can't?  then how come some are willing to help but have to pay others to help on their behalf, for the money which themselves they do what they hate to give to those who do what they want with it?'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how come there's a group called the peace corps that gets no enlistments, and there's 11 years of peace in africa which the UN decided wasn't an opportune time to develop a system for the people there which would remove those starving poverty commercials from tv?'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they find lots of opportunity in killing people who hinder their have-plans, as they already had africa since france and britain first enslaved it'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'screaming human rights violations are they?  i wonder why they don't see the same in a place that they already have'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Atnas: 'who are they?'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they know who they are'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Atnas: '<---?'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if it makes you feel special'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Atnas: '<--- just me (would take more to be a they I guess)'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you could have multiple personalities or be possessed too, it's an equal opportunity playing field in your own mind'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'pazuzu could have a million man conversation with himself if he wanted in the exorcist'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'arguement for schizophrenia:  if being a homosexual is a genetic thing, and siamese twins are proven to exist along with hermaphrodites - then by implication it's possible that there is another me inside of here'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but how did the homo manage to erectus into a female sapien to pass on his genetic traits?'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'adam , missing ribs and eve'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hmm'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and they pierced his side, those old homosexual legionairres'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if x is schizophrenic, and plants communicate and assimilate eachothers knowledge, are plants really just schizophrenic too?'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how do they know another plant exists which needs to become roundup resistant?'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'world's too full of lies and mockery to not be ran by satan'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm still wondering if satan is god's mask or the other way around, cause if they were projections of my psyche then i would be able to move that mountain with my mind'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe there is no principle of one or the other, only the absence of the only one'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'thinking like i do's hard to break out of, cause it constantly proves itself'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'everybody looks like satan to me or else his tool'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you test your own thoughts like a apostle judging some angels, then you get into a strange kind of thought pattern'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and it's observable in reality, how they bite at what isn't present in order to affront your mind, which they aren't supposed to see'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'only personal experience can prove that though, and once you get it, you can't get it out'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how do you know, of all the things i could be thinking of, that i am thinking of what you are now acting upon?'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'oh hey druzil is talking to himself again'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what if i go totally out of context of this scene with a grain of this scene in mind - how do you follow my context out of infinite contexts of mind and pick out that one piece while annotating the details of the astronomical'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'kawaii~~'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm talking to your subconscious'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'which i think is probably conscious'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'demons is what that is by my definition of evil'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'science can't even see what i mean to disprove it to itself'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but like i said, science is probably that conscious subconscious'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'test what you think and what the world outside of you does when you think it, test my theory - see if you can notice some disturbances in the force'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'observe what you're drawn to repeatedly, and attempt to resist it in vain'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'learn to hate the thought of what you love or even like and deny your own natural inclinations, and see how those inclinations can't be denied and are exploited by the devil in your vision'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'free will doesn't really exist here'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not even on that level'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '(that is the level of choice)'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I read today in an article about brain mapping that 1 in 100 Canadians are inflicted with some form of mental disorder such as autism.'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fae Wino Joelz: 'well you'd have to be to live in canada'
T3/r4/2011-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fae Wino Joelz runs away in utter terror!
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if ww3 started tomorrow, what nation's would be on what side of the war?'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'depends on the trigger, Druzil'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://www.cbc.ca/m/touch/news/story/2011/08/06/us-debt-china.html'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'WW3 has begun already, it's a financial war. So far the US is winning and China is losing.'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'beat me by two seconds, I see..'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly at The Imp Druzil.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: ''Xinhua said the U.S must slash its "gigantic military expenditure -- makes some sense there -- and bloated social welfare costs -- hmm, coming from a nation who had two commoner emperors in 3000 years, and those maybe weren't so common - punish the one's who have no voice they say, canada is cutting social spending every day and not really paying attention to their hundreds of billions of royalties dollars from the industries , and accept international supervision over U.S. dollar issues.'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lemontree pulls out a book and says 'a wise man once said, i do not know what weapons will be used inf WW3. But i know that WW4 will be fought will sticks and stones'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so that there sounds like something that'll end up being the eventual removal of everything that doesn't suck about life'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'well, most of the deficit would disappear in two months if all the wars were cancelled'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they could have left the military comment in there - public health care aside, how much does america pay for its citizens in a year?'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'looking through the news in the last 15 years or more , china doesn't seem to care much about its citizens with it's emperor's chosen wonderfully fair social welfare system's - which chooses a hydroelectric dam over the livelihoods of several million chinese people among other things'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we no longer pay for citizens, we're paying for their grandchildren.'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada shrugs helplessly.
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what were those dissident van's for?  if you challengs the one per 3000 year emperor's decision cause you think it's wrong you wil be publicly executed'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lemontree pulls out a book and says'another man said that if we were to win 1 more such victory we shall be undon'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'US msm are better than official Chinese news, certainly. That still leaves some distance to cover before you are reporting the truth.'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if that's not ww3 about to happen sooner or later, then nothing is'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'after the military, Obamacare is our next biggest expenditure.  Even if we don't touch the military, getting rid of that will also get rid of most of the deficit.'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'One might argue that the wars are less useful than healthcare'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's entirely a program that was started without funds to support it and it's spending more of our money that we don't have on top of that.'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'but in order to really save on healthcare, you probably have to go to a full government system like in western europe'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how come public health care works in canada and the majority of debt come's from rich people deciding where money should be spent?  like the highway across the detroit river'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I really don't think euro countries are comparable to american states.'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the chinese emperor's a rich person for the last 3000+ years, if you see what i mean'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'under his wise guidance are all billionairres made'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cutting social spending is his advice?  hmm, he maybe wants to see this place look like somalia in a few years'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lemontree pulls out a book and says ' A wis man once said, the rate we are being born is out doing the rate at which we are dying. Thus at this pace our food will run out before we find a cure for cancer'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'canada grows worthless canola by the billions of bushels in order to send to china isntead of making food'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and canada's now removing its public services one by one and privatizing / outsourcing everything'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'As far as I can judge, two parts of the US healthcare system is working reasonably well: The veterans' administration and (rich) people paying cash for services'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but they still charge 3-4x what something's worth in taxes in order to spend on the absence of public services'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or are working...post midnight grammar strikes again'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Western Europe basically has those two elements - an improved VA system covering everyone, and an option for (rich) people to pay cash and sidestep queues etc'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'canadian doctor's don't complain about being paid less and working more for their services and freedom's here'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're more skilled doctor's and don't live with greed as their only goal in life, which might make the scalpal slip now and then'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lemontree lemontree pulls out a book and says 'a wiseman once said, fear the man with money in his eyes for a king and his primeminister are only worthy  for a term'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they want to work only for money they can move to the USA'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i just don't agree with some dictator who murders everybody in the last 3000 years who has an opinion from the face of the world because he can't handle any criticism, as his ancestor's are always right - it's why they had any conflict in the first place, cause they were showing people the light'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there is no common wealth unless you pay somebody else twice what you earn for it'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how does public services in a place without free health care make any sense?'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'every time you buy a litre of gas you pay the wages of the people paving the highway'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and public services are ..'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that person making 20 dollar's an hour from a tax - pool that pulls in 200,000 dollars in 5 minutes?'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'US doctors don't complain about getting paid less, they complain about malpractice costs from the frivolous claims that inflate it'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lemontree: 'Honestly, you should stop complaining.'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we have barnone the best lawyers'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'US doctor's get paid twice as much as canadian doctors for doing less than 1/10th the amount of work'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Hooray for exaggeration'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so tell me, why are there any canadian doctors?'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's like that with heart surgeons'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'because lots of US doctors are thinking about closing out to avoid malpractice ruin.'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'canada spends more on bloated worthless public welfare than america does'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'imagine what china thinks of canada'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lemontree: 'in South africa hospitals close at 2pm and doctors stop taking patients. There is a waiting list for ER after 2pm as well as a queue for ambulances. That is if the docs arnet taking there tea break.'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe cause they don't have 10,000 missile's pointed at every major city somewhere they're better'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I really doubt that, Druzil.  We have Obamacare now, and we have the bigger economy'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It is not necessarily a good sign when the US has over one million lawyers.'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i bet a large majority of the world's potash and oil come from canada, that's the thing's that you build your industry around/economy - what makes you think yours is larger, like canadian steel, is that the people who run them live in the usa and pay the us government for running their canadian business'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'plus you see more profit in profiting from all of the procurement of canadian goods and services, exporting the majority from the america like walmart'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you want to buy a formerly canadian piece of iron today, you have to import it from america even if it never leaves canada, because that's where it comes from by their standards'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but what does that have to do with bloated public welfare?'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'canadians pay more for a litre of gas than american's, because of volume?  they consume alot more than us and they have to pay less cause there's more of them'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'dunno, you're the one who went off on that tangent.'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you can live in a oilfield and not get a discount'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you should decimate your population.  %10 of Canada is mentally deficient.'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'american's can live in the middle of the ocean and pay as though it cost nothing to send it there, and the canadian taxes (that they spend 2x for on gas cause public roadway's don't ever get fixed) will pay the barge to get there after your government adds a third tax on the canadian government to pay'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'show me your mental proficiency'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'otherwise you can remain in the same liquidation population you projected'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's an article on phsyorg.com, which I subscribe to from my canadian-made Blackberry.  Lemme see if I can find the article on the website.'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a website i never heard of, that sounds more authoritative than wikipedia'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i wonder if the survivor's of ww2 were considered retards by the jeffrey dahmers who caged them in for 50 years in a not-concentration camp'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lets see who should be gassed next'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'german retards get teh blame while the jeffrey dahmers who raised them for the UN jesus get the pat on the back and collect the debt they created for the retards to pay '
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'isn't that your kind of brain pattern'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'more ww3 material's, hallowed retribution'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'http://medicalxpress.com/news/2011-07-room-inaccuracy-brain.html'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'whatever possessed prince harry to wear a nazi uniform for a halloween happyt ime?'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'could it be he's in the joke that his parents gave him to laugh about?'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's halloween, not theatre or dressup.  The costume is supposed to be scary.'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'looking at the price of a 125 000 metric tonne nuclear icebreaker that russia pays (including a nuclear reactor among a full array of navigation systems), costi200,000,000 more dollars than a american 8000 metric tonne warship - how do they come up with thos eprices?  they say the price suddenly doubled'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so what's military spending amount to?  the price of the wages of the soldiers?'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or the people they outsourced their military equipment development to'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it just doubled in price just like that'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what?  You don't think they really pay $200 for a toilet seat, do you?'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so what's MIT and ANTech and DARPA and stuff about?  unable to build their own 1/10th priced vessals for their government?'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who are they building research for?'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'everyone'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'military spending, and everybody can develop their reserach but america, who outsourced it to somebody who charges more than 10x the actual cost of something'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'some of what DARPA does has military application but isn't necessarily FOR the military.'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'china's arguement loses another wing'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but america seems to be in on that joke'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the rest is stuff they are interested in for military action that needs a proof-of-concept (ie, invisibility cloaks, teleportation), and the rest is for designing state-of-the-art hardware that nobody else can afford.'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nobody else can afford you say, but they spend a billion dollars where it was 500 million the day before on something worth less than 70 million'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'big watch that debt climb, lets make it a billion gergillionz of dollars next time'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they can charitably develop new warfare's, but just can't afford to build them like the other's they do their research for can'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's how it used to work, but this recent debt-ceiling agreement took away all the money Congress was giving to the military that the military was not asking for.'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lol'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'oh, so if they were within their means then they could still pay everybody the same amount, except the people they had outsourced their military to'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'unless you thinkt he richest fat ass nazi pig on earth happens to be a innocent starving angel '
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'jesus, people in the military doing military training like building the darpa's military tools and their own waships?'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how come they find it so easy to make them shoot bullets all over the place and send them to various posts where to stay in a hotel costs 800 dollars per night, yet have the absence of perogatory to train their own military service people with a skill that isn't killing people to build a free arsenal?'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, if we're going to have a military we shouldn't be paying them to act like it. /sarcasm'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or do they somehow reason out that they should make a military paycheque become the military's paycheque for every single person who assists in building it's ships from within its civil servant ranks?'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'oh yeah, it take's a real smart general and commander to outsource the tools the military uses and pay 10x as much for each piece'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I really think you should stop reading the stuff you read, watching the things you watch, and stop being the person you're being.  It can't possibly be good for your health.'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'more than 10x if you think how much a military person gets paid for his time and how that time isn't being spent on building the things they outsourced'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'keep on researfching them at DARPA< your advanced stuff is really being used by you'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'He's off his meds right now, Hanslanda.'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'shut up, that's a face of god for you to look at, stare into the face of hypocrisy with the beast'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, he's just being a trollish douche now.  He doesn't have a clue what's going on at DARPA.'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'No, he genuinely has issues for which he needs meds.'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i have no clue why darpa invents a bunch of things that they pay others to build for them, which then is known by another nation how to build, like the blueprints to your warships and how to exploit them'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, really, you're at war with somebody not in your head are you?'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'See, you seem to be confusing Druzil with Xyliz.'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's nothing wrong with Xyliz.'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nobody knowos anything about north korea, isn't that weird?  andamerica buy's it's military hardware from a mysterious provider who charges 10x as much than the cost of something, after giving them the blueprints from their research station'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i wonder how unthinkable it is that their research is then passed onto the general's of the real army to evaluate how easily they can be destroyed'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the world's war's make no sense to me and seem like actual game's played by a few people in the background because of things like this'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not to mention the obvious ignorance required to provide what i talked about'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most military ships are made in south korea aren't they?'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there or the jeffrey dahmer (ex) germany'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'interesting isn't it?  they say america won the korea war in 1956, and lost the vietnam war in the 1976 or so'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now one's ever so friendly and the one they won's against them all the time'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but they make sure that they buy all of their military product from asia'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so who's the gamer over there?'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i dont' know why you people can't see the obvious, i assume it's like the bible says the question 'how is it that they don't understand?' 'he forms the light and creates the darkness' 'a darkness that can be felt' etc, ie your mind is black by the will of god'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cause your stupidity and that of the world governments is inhuman'
T3/r4/2011-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'I just logged on. Is he talking to himself again?'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so you're trained for killing and all the soldiers come home and try to have a normal life, vying for a job opportunity which is always open first to them - yet use their super killing skills as excuses why they are too inefficient to build their own machinery for war - instead paying 10x the actual price with their un-negotiable salary cap's to justify why they don't do anything but shoot at dummies (most of the time)'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do they even pack their own bullets, or do they buy those from the some people who sell bullets to china or russia?  or perhaps they buy bullets from china and russia directly, or through an agent'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, i'd like a shipment of 80,000 m-16's to shoot your soldiers with, or is it, yeah i'd like 80 m-16's and here's an extra 500 million dollars to keep your mouth shut - then the otherside says here's 500 million and a deal for 10,000 more m-16's if you tell me how much m-16's they bought'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there is no individual fractions of war on the world'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'otherwise this money wouldn't stand in the way of your nation'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as far as i see it to seem, there's alot of history to consider too, like 3000 years and more'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'probably something like the blair witch or babylon 'babble on' whore going ahead and playing the queen in alice in wonderland's card maze and offing various hallucinations of the mad hatters mind'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'such is life'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a game for a demonted demonwitch which may be god itself'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what else, 'hell hath no fury like a woman scorned', and jonah was spat out of the whale with a black halo above his head'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'her name was hell, whale '
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'medusa's crown of moses serpents on sticks with satan technology'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'are you high when you do this, or what'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm at the bottom kicking the rungs from the ladder that jacob might have dreamed about'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'indescriminately, unlike the person at the top who always leaves his rung alone'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'so, yes'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's being high have to do with criticizing murderer's?  you have to be nuts to wonder about them and their psychologies?  what's the cause of the next thousand war's about to happen?'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it doesn't help to know what that is after all'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if i hide , will they not see me if i'm lucky enough?'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lol, what kind of life do you want to live?'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unplugged Abradix: 'who said i wanted to live at all?'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this world's gotten steadily worse since 1982 and it was as rotten as it'll ever be since that time'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's minor improvements here and there, but look around at the wonderful people around you and see what is wonderful about them'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what do they all have in common?  what is the reason they're all sociopathic devil-like traitors?'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unplugged Abradix: 'people can see that. the actual question is what to do about it. pointing out problems doesn't do anything, solutions are what we need.'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'very rarely do i meet a person who i would even consider trusting'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the problem has to be seen before solutions can happen, if it's not seen in its full scope then there's some problems not built into the solution'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it just repeats itself, looka t how happy the survivors in your favourite armageddon movie are after having watched the entire world die to somebody's negligence, they're innocent though found their humanity'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're all so valuable to eachother all of a sudden, then bam that was sure lost fast'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then some people say they consider euthanizing billions of people as a solution'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'eugenics programs'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i guess they watch too many movies'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'so, yes'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, i'm just talking wind and imagined the subject matter i'm discussing'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what else is there belial?'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unplugged Abradix: 'or do they? why are retards eating our resources up?'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unplugged Abradix: 'BURY THEM!'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'name one resource you produced in your life'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'something a great spectacle that humanity can't exist without'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you didn't then does that mean you're part of the problem?'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unplugged Abradix: 'yup. and like i said before. i wish it could just be over, if i could get off the earth i would take the chance'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'see, that's social conditioning, society took the ability to be self-productive from people and made an industry out of what used to be a human right'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and suicide rates/depression increase many times over'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's not who you call worthless's fault for being as they are, that's society's failure'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'back before the actual first human government that collected tithes from everybody so their king could not work at his leisure - that was all different, and before he forced others to group up in a similar system by his own actions to defend against him - that was all different'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can see colonial people making some sense, murdercults wouldn't be normal'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's just what they teach so that people never want to be independent'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or 'like sheep to the slaughter' as jesus puts it'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unplugged Abradix: 'still waiting on anything resembling a solution.'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'human valuing of worth as far as society goes is equivalent to a babie's first word being retard and his family the only one with enough resources to afford a loudspeaker so he can hear his voice above the din of his preschool mates'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'evil gremlin humans'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's what they actually remind me of'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if those people are the heroes you think they are, then how come they fuck around with your tithe's like they do?'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'whee, the freefall has begun, and gold is above $1700 an oz.'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the AIG filing looks sort of reasonable'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the more educated you are, the more religious you get (more accurately, it's not a zero-sum game supporting the common notion that the educated person is less religious)'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'also, Canadians can be identified by three simple pieces of info that they do not mind giving out IF they feel their privacy is protected.'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'best breakfast food?'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'clam.  Bearded or not.'
T3/r4/2011-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the best part is that frank and beans are likely to be involved and you can cook the whole thing in a dutch oven.'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so what's the riots in england about?  somebody's crack dealer got arrested and they're looking for more?'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i just heard gang leader arrest + twice poverty levels and things like that and assumed'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or shooting rather - maybe that's the problem'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'they should just send in teh army and shoot all the rioters'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'that would both cull societal scum, and solve unemployment '
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's not really a solution though, they do those kind of things in some nations i guess'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'how is that not a solution'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'its the quickest solution'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so somebody's in the general area cause they live there and they had nothing to do with it, but the cops ever so wise will listen to the wisdom of who's innocent or not'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'yeah now you're just stretching it'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so you got yourself a mein kampf kind of genocide, which is desirable in alot of your governments'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no, that's the way it goes'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'you don't know what government I have, don't assume.'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'also, they have some sort of big brother thing going on, its not hard to identify rioters'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'in my country, this shit wouldn't even have started'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, in places like china they throw people in dungeons if killing them would ever be publicized, don't they?'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'for something as simple as the cop's ever so wise opinion'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I wouldn't know, I'm not from China'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cuban?'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'no, I am not from Cuba'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'k'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they say they've gotten better over the years though'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'so what is your proposed solution then.'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i just don't think that alot of the reasons people are put to death are reasons to put people to death'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'thats a completely different argument than about rioters'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: '20k fire overnight, and from what i understand its mostly kids?'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'yah'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'especially when the people pointlessly ranting are the rich people who never were in any kind of social hardships, having been too valuably wise to ever be required to do anything with their lives'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what the hell do they know about what the people are angry about?'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'ranting what?'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're your idea's of keeping the world clean, and they'd never lift a finger to clean it themselves'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'don't make it a rich vs poor argument'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's not an arguement, it's an opinion'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'are you proposing some sort of communistic way of life'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'that way there is no rich or poor'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'and you still haven't proposed a solution to the rioting'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'communism is a label, i don't really care what you call it - i'm not proposing anything really except that people shouldn't be put to death for some person's opinion, who probably never would ever find himself in the situation that caused his opinion of them as worthless trash'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'socialism, totaliatarianism, fascism, communism, ismism'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't care much about label's, only about what's real - show me one system in the world that lives up to its own standards 100% of the time'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'dude, idgaf about standards'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I just want to see the rioting stopped'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'if you have so much opinions, run for government.'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'share your "opinions" with your fellow citizens'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's something i'd never do, you don't have to be a politician or a lawyer to have an opinion, the reporters are there to tell you what is and you're there trying to share your opinion with others - opinion's aren't politics, they're inevitable results of thinking creatures'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'no, but at least you're doing something, and not just sitting there ranting....'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'shaping opinions to your opinion is politics'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm discussing things and trying to figure out about them so i don't have to wonder why they are'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'there really is no point figuring out things, things just happen the way they are.'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'these riots were planned since at least a year, if not two, ago.'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'if you dont like the way things are, one can choose to live in isolation'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'when thing's happen that affect thing's going to happen, like how much money you make for your income for something and what you can buy with it, then figuring out thethings is helpful'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or what is going to cause this new law to happen?'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'so dokkar, what is your idea of a solution?'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a wizard with a white rabbit hat pulling out playboy bunnies?'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'yeah well, get a job, earn a wage, live within your means, thats it.'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's a problem though, there's over 50 million american's who can't do that no matter how much they pray to the wizards'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'pray to work?  sounds sick doesn't it?  most people pray that they can retire early'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'unemployment figures are undoubtedly high'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'on the assumption that this is merely a liberal attempt at regime change and not an otherwise valid hardship, stand firm and shoot often.'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'blame your administration and govt'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'i concur, Dokkar'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm canadian, but we have a similar problem - the news is always keen to point out how much our economy relies on theirs'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'they need to stand on their ground and shoot, not stand there and watch it go on'
T3/r4/2011-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'yeah, blame your administration too'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is it possible to build a core 2 cpu with your bare hands?  or are machines absolutely neccessary?'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'yes it's possible'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if not, then anybody know of a guide you can follow to build a processor from scratch?'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'make the processor itself?'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'really, the whole thing?  from their printed circuit boards without a printer to a working cpu?'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'good luck'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'http://www.google.com.au/search?q=breadboad+cpu'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lol, that's what i was thinking'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'll check out that link'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'all a cpu is is a bunch of small transistor'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so i'd have to learn about electrical engineering maybe before building something like that'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'http://www.homebrewcpu.com/'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'you only need basics, you could learn wat you need in days, depending on dedication'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you know, just last year or 10 years ago there were ladybugs everywhere in my yard, and they mention on the news recently that anybody who sees one should send a picture of it and location to this certain website or address - cause they are all but extinct now'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as a side effect of the missing lady bug's, the saskatoon and other flowering plant's that are consumed by aphids are not flowering'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i wonder what they'll do about it if anything'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'nothing'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i see some frogs this year where there were none last year - interestingly the neighbour bought the land and no roundup has been sprayed on it in 2-3 years'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's pasureland now'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'ture*'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'frogs hibernate in the soil , see, and i read on several science documents that roundup and many other commercial pesticide's and herbicide's contain this compound which actually eats the skin of amphibeans'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'lol the debate over roundup is pretty mute.... more plants are becoming resist'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so, my theory is that when they went to hibernate or cross the land their skin was eaten off, which is why they never made it here'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'roundup will be usless soon'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and now that they stopped spraying the frogs have some room to survive'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's amazing that i didn't notice the ladybugs were gone - they've been here every year of my life but they are actually nonexistant here this year'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the kind that usually was here is on their extremely endangered list'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's something that i can't accept as being correct - this chemical replacement of nature or synthetic replacement - nature has been here for their 4 billion evolutionary years and developed system's which survived alot longer than their 200 million year old human species'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and human species has developed their science which they have used for 80-120 years and less which they put faith in the replacement of 4 billion years'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Hm..Greek jan-june deficit is larger (15,5 vs 12,5bn) than last year after austerity measures helped them gain control of spending? :)'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I wonder, how many people would support a genuine austerity plan.'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'No more cheap credit. Gradual deleveraging. A currency policy aiming for zero inflation. Long term balance in gov't budgets (small surplus in a normal year) and so on.'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I expect it would take a decade to sort the economy out and end 40+ years of capital misallocation to get real growth'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'probably not very many.  Remember, constituents are the people who go "What the fuck, congressman, why couldn't we get a piece of that pie?"'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada buries his face in the pie, licking the pan clean.
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'i like pie'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'your not willing to work for the pie, so you don't get any. :)'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I want free pie.'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Santher is agreeing with that Tinada person again...
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I think if it was possible to turn everything around in two years, some politicians might suggest the required changes.'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'ask the government.  They give freebies to just anyone.'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so what do you figure is the reason all these countries end up going on strike?  is it that peaceful protests don't get any attention, or something else?  i remember the mockery of hippies for one thing'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, when prohibition hit we weren't stoners as much as we are today, we want that too man, cheers - huff'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just seems odd to me but so do lots of things, like the olympics billions spent that the people protesting might see not put into their education and stuff, tuition fees'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that reminds me of roman gladiator's , the rich would invest in slaves murdering eachother for sports and fuck int he stands like a bunch of swine, it was the priority of the people'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not sure if you can see the kind of priorities i'm considering or not'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'my mind's a bit twisted from all the horror movies i watch'
T3/r4/2011-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it seems that peaceful solutions never or vary rarely happen, maybe people decided that riots and things were the only way to be heard'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hopefully some kind of death camps scenario's don't happen - or random people being ran over by tanks and f-16's for the people'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'debate they done that before too, as late as 1980'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'The difference between AAA+ and AA+ is not that large. Besides, it was only S&P who downgraded the U.S., not all of the rating systems.'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darak: 'how many does it take to make a difference?'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'i'm sorry i cant hear you over the sound of my AAA+ rating'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'the downgrade was long overdue imho'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darak: 'word'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darak: 'spending has been ridiculous for years'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'It was, but it won't make a difference.'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darak: 'the raising part of taxes isn't the issue. it's why. rather than cutting from major programs that aren't really need nor consitutional, they'd rather get a pay raise'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'the US tax rate is one of the lowest of all developed countries, but spending is also out of control, so both need work'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darak: 'how does that work in the real world? If I start spending more I don't go to work and just ask for a pay raise'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ranrr rapidly nods twice at Githerax, in complete agreement.
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Well, in my opinion, the first thing that the government needs to do is get rid of political parties.'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Altarboy chortles mischievously.
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'That would solve a lot of their problems right there.'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darak: 'are federal departments (ie: education, homeland security, housing, etc.)'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darak: 'also'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'politics is a catch-22; anyone who desires an office like that isn't he kind of person who should have it :D'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darak: 'lol exactly. We need a Jack Ryan'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'how about diverting some money away from you military ?  '
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they raise taxes, then how will the 50 million american's who are unemployed + afford with their barely affording anything, what now costs more?'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'lol'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'are they going to tax based on ability to survive while still paying taxes?'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'heavy tariffs and tax penalties for out-sourcing overseas; problem solved'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Santher pets Githerax.
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darak: 'everyone says take from the military. would you rather the pay for welfare cell phones, or the best guns to defend the country?'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Another completely stupid thing that the American government has done--they placed the unemployment checks above minimum wage.'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'i dunno how do people get by in other western countries with thier communist high taxes and low homeless rates ?'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'minimum wage isn't very much'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darak: 'welfare got a higher raise than the military last year. I was shocked. well, not really.'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's possible that some people choose not to work because they make more by receiving social assistance - that's not neccessarily the fault of those people'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darak: 'I know people that do choose unemployment, because it's an enabler'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'maybe you wouldnt need to 'defend' your self so much if you stopped pissing on everyone else'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'otoh, it can save families from losing property during a jobless period; that's not all bad'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'that's why america is suffering now, it's running out of countries to pick on'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'btw i don't see a lot of 'defending' going on'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Ok, but thats for the unemployment checks.  Just think about it...the people who get laid off who are at minimum wage currently, what will they do?  Will they a) Get on their feet and find likely another minimum wage job, or b) Sit on unemployment for a while and get paid more than you were at your old job.'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'zackly altarboy, you don't see terrorist attacks or threats against China, that's because they mind their own biz'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'I'm actually on unemp now, have been for 18 months'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darak: 'LOL. defending? you want to have to defend yourself before you realize your shit sucks?'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darak: 'too fucking late at that point'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'I made $20/hr at my old job and the equiv of $12/hr on unemp; but that's better than a min-wage $8/hr job'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darak: 'the best defense is the best offense...'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'I'm not targeting those people who can legitimately not find a job.  I am talking about those who are sitting at unemployment because they are getting paid more unemployed than they were employed.'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'lol what are you defending in iraq ?'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'I have filled out hundreds of apps, literally :('
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'the right to kill civilians'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'what are you defending in iran ?'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darak: 'peoples choice for a free life, and freedom from persecution?'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'what are you defending in afganistan ? ?'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'the right to kill civilians'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darak: 'decent schools and the ability to elect their own corrupt government?'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'it's not up to the sovereign state of the US to determine the course of the sovereign state of another country'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darak: 'if that were the case then Germany should be able to fuck everyone else up'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'who the fuck are you to say how people in another should live... at gunpoint ?'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'Germany went on the offensive'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'another country'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darak: 'who's telling them how to live?'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darak: 'we said here you go?'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'as did america'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'America really just needs to back off of the other contries.  I know of several cases where the American government has actually made things worse.'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'do what i say or i will bomb you'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'I agree entirely, thre seems to be a hazy notion of 'defense' in the US, it used to mean 'defense' now it means 'offensive interference''
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Agreed.'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darak: 'I dunno man. I have more friends than I can count that were overseas. Ask one of them how the people feel being told what to do at gunpoint.'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'That's what I'm saying.'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as long as nations exist, you figure they'll always want to usurp eachother?'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so who's the bad guy?'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'yeah you think them soldiers are there to defend the peasants?   really ?'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'It would save the U.S. money, and it would keep the other countries from feeling opressed by another nation's government'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darak: 'Afghanistan I can see not fucking with. No point being there. Not doing any good. Iraq, split decision'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darak: 'I found it incredibly funny that the spending cuts proposed by the liberals included military spending overseas lol'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'that's a good thing'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'why is that funny?'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: ''defense overseas' is an oxymoron'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'obama has only stepped up military spending'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'agreed'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if one nation moves out another move's in, isn't that the way it always goes?'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the damage one caused raises morale for joining with the comrade for a few strikes int he dark, maybe'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'pre-emptive counter attack.... lol '
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'What the U.S. needs though is balance.  I see no problem in raising spending in one area if we have a way to counter it.'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Darak: 'they've already shot down the balanced budget though... :('
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'lol it doesnt really matter anyway, the US is dying, it just hasn't figured it out yet'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Santher rapidly nods twice, in complete agreement.
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Which other country would move in. The US is the only country in the world that attacks other countires all over the world.'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: '30 years they will be has-beens'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Almost everyone is an idiot in the government.  Most have already realized that the smart people in the world aren't involved in politics :P'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'the smart people are in politics, you have just never heard of them'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Like who?'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'we call them power-brokers here'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'there are plenty of smart people in govt administration, the problem is that the situation is intractable'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't think any nation's are going to die, when you do business from the eastern half of the globe to the western half of the globe, you're talking to a businessman from probably one of the nation's here - i don't think you'd be able to sneak in and say you don't exist anymore and then take over all the resources that you crave - that's what world wars are for'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'I believe there is a way to fix this, but people probably won't like it either way.'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'there is no way to fix it, government is human nature writ large, and that nature is self-destructive'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Tha main thing I think for the US is to stop thinking they own the world and stop being a bully. Asia owns the world, not the US.'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'the fix probably involves things that are against the basic nature of americans... '
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'I said there is a way to fix it.  I never said that the U.S. would take the route to fix it.'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'better to die fighting for freedom than bend the knee to a bunch of alien cowards'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Altar, the way to fix debt probably includes things most people would despise.'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'there is no way to fix it, any human activity will necessarily mirror human nature, and that nature does not allow for good government'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Exactly, druzil, you just demonstrated why the US is dying.'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'eg americas 2 major political parties are right wing, and ultra-ring wing... no left for balance'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Oh please, Obama is the worst Left wing politician I have seen in a long time.'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'looks fine to me, you're looking like a sour plate though'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'obama is not left wing, he is moderate right'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'a true left-wing would raise taxes; obama has not'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'But Altarboy seems like an American hater anyway.'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'I truthfully don't know what Obama is anymore though.'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'sorry if you dont like hearing ugly things about yourself'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'one problem of politics is the perception of right and left'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you don't own human cattle, you foreign nation'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'the bureaucracy determines the course of government, not the politicians'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'human cattle are herded by you and you abuse them not stomping you into dust'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'No, I don't mind that, its when people look down upon my nation and myself.'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they chose to, you wouldn't exist very long'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'A left wing party would never make it in the US, because you are still scared of communism. Need to kill off the older generation first.'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'lol, instead of getting you back up because we look down on you, think about WHY we look down on you'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'it is a natural course of history for large power-centers to break apart as power-brokers vie for kingdoms, the US will follow suit in time'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'for it was built on a stone that could not be moved'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'oh yeah, cracks in the foundations of every nation'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'I don't think there's much of a debate amongst us anyway'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'you are wrong gith'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: '?'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nation's are composed of people that live in them, often their leaders get corrupt (always)'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and then the people are dismembered from the nation'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Altar, why exactly do you look down upon America?'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so redefine what composes the nation and then a nation doesn't get destroyed, right?'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Yes, but our nation is so confused on what it is and what it isn't that it is pointless.'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'Druzil, as long as humans administrate, there will be intractable situations with no solution'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'you are agressive, imperialistic, selfish, hypocritical, and conservative'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'it cannot be 'solved' by any reconstruction, not the US, not anyone'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'And why is it that no one is trying to stop us then?'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'who's 'us'?'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'because for the moment you have the biggest guns'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Sorry, referred to now as America.'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'I didn't realise I was using us'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's one thing i like about Chile, is how their government is constantly rejuvenated and no permanent seats exist, and nobody knows for certain (or shouldn't) who will be elected to the various administrative positions'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they have a ever-changing administration that isn't afraid to evolve and is almost built around avoiding corruption'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i seen a show about it on tv and looked it up on the internet to see a bit about their place, but to address the corruption you're talking about is why i mentioned it, some places have built into their basic philosophy a protocol that avoids it - and that isn't something that is inherited from one generation to the next, or by how much money you have'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'even the best intentions cannot administrate with full effectiveness'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'which definitely seems to play a large part in alot of superpower nations'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'when x people have x-1 resources, someone comes up short'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Well, that's always going to happen.'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'no one expects perfection'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'indeed'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'some of us settle for 95%, other reckon 60% is good enough'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'but people will endlessly and fruitlessly debate politics without perceiving that government is a mirror of society'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'and societies, people as a whole, are self-destructive'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what percentage of the american population even comprehended what they are voting for for the debts that china has against america?'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm guessing per capita that is a very small percentage, and per voting capita, an even smaller supporting amount'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'that's a huge flaw in any voting system; lack of comprehension'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so why should they all pay for what a few did?'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'thats when retards say 'i'm not a stereotype, don't judge me i'm not like other americans''
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not everybody has went to school to learn how to talk like a lawyer'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Well, if people actually comprehended what they voted for, I doubt America would be as deep in trouble as they are.'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'a dictatorship is more efficient if you get the "right" dictator, but "power corrupts" and even a benevolent dictator cannot redistribute resources without coming up short for some people'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so, who doesn't send them to comprehension school to understand the meat of what a politician is trying to accomplish?  maybe that should be a free service like the right to vote'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'a voting system of government is even worse, as everyone grabs for the pie at the same time'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'an argument could be made that a popularity contest appealing to the lowest common denominator is not the best way to choose leaders'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then whoever votes has more responsibility on what who they voted for does, don't they?  it's like punching somebody in the face and telling the cop that it was the person behind you who did it'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'while they're unconscious'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'the fact that the citizens of the US allow this government to exist is tacit approval of its actions'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'the alternative form of governmental reform is revolution and the US isn't up to that'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'yet'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Oh, I think revolution wouldn't be far fetched if this continues for a while.'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'disaffection is spreading worldwide, you just have to watch the news'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'far more likely states and unions of states will secede before a revolution takes place, chopping the US into smaller parts before armed conflicts begin'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'china is just waiting for it'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'What I hope will happen is the U.S. is split in two, and the one with more sense wins.'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'they did; the north beat the south :D (trolling)'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'think the south will bring back slaves ?   lol'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Well, that was then.  We need another war like that (only fighting over government reformation).'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'pointless, no human-run government can ever administrate effectively'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'it's not in human nature to do so'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Ok, well, at least reform it so the country will last another 200 years.'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Githerax )
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'And then reform it again'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'yeah but some systems are worse than others'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is there any nation in the world that has its own perfect set of laws that you think would be ok to apply to all other nations?'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'no'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Nope'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'me either, that's why i'm against world domination'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GQ Bully Zibest: 'correct. clinton administration was effective because it was run by a sex machine'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'O_o'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'hehe'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'i am against world domination, unless it's me dominating'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'And thats when the problems start ;)'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'imagine how shitty life would be being in charge of the world'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'I'd get by for a while'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'lol, delegate'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'punishment for all crimes, death by justin beiber'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i heard of this torture technique where they would strap somebody's head down and put a water drip above it, and the water would drip onto their forehead for days'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'playing justin bieber repeatedly on a radio might be akin to that'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'i heard about that 30 years ago as a child'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: ''Chinese Water Torture''
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Placing someone in a concrete cell with no human interaction or noise will do the same thing to most.'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'practised daily in companies all over the world, except instead of water it's seconds on the clock, ticking away while employees are driven mad'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Thats only true unless you enjoy the particular job that you have.'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: '70% of humans are extroverts, those are the ones that would go mad from solitary confinment'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'mudders would thrive'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'indeed'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Decimator: 'Well, I have to go, see you guys around later'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'later'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'nite'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'I'm out for the night'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Altarboy: 'cya'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'I think portals are undervalued.'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'Sigils of Illoria, for example, can go for 700k or something.'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'The amount of effort one has to go through to figure the goal out and even just get duplicates, would be worth something like 2 million of my time.'
T3/r4/2011-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'Opinions?'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://www.saskjobs.ca/jsp/joborder/detail.jsp?job_order_id=366910 -> Preference will be given to qualified First Nations persons (Human Rights Exemption # E95-29).http://www.crr.ca/content/view/257/538/lang,english/ -> what would eventually happen if every business in canada was owned and operated by native american's?'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that seems to be alot of what make's the headline's for news and the workplace -> they wouldn't hire me because i was race <x>'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Systemic Racism in employment in Canada: Diagnosing Systemic Racism in Organizational Culture'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you type in human rights exemption E95-29 you don't get the specification'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'show me one whitey / moony ass business that isn't required by law to hire everybody based solely on qualification's and not on race, sans small family businesses'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '250 million in annual income isn't a small family business'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the highest degree of gambling obtainable in canada to a non-native american businessperson is a slot machine in a hotel or bar / and bar, government raffle tickets - and going to a indian reservation to gamble'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i wonder who made a deal with the government to make sure that doesn't change'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do they pay taxes on their gambled money from the possibly white majority of spenders?'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '..yep, all that white man's money spent there seems to be either only taxed directly to the casino owners, and sales of alcohol maybe is compounded with GST and PST + indian tax to keep the government happy'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '(indirectly)'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not any researchers of the topic in canada, cause there's no webpages'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'native casino's just mean we don't have to give them as much...'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the question i wonder about is the Exemption to human rights that i read about - why can't non-native american people build casino's on non reservation land - and what is the protocol for taxation on the casino's that exist?  next time i see my uncle i'll ask if he has to pay taxes on his winnings to the bar-owner on a non-native reservation winnings and to the / through the casino for a reservation winning'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'no... you don't pay taxes on winnings'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i have a friend who's an indian too, i'll ask him if he has to pay (if he gambles) taxes as my uncle does as well'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'ok, how does the casino bring the government money?'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'with the lotto 649 or super 7 a percentage of ticket sales goes to the government'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'alcohol brings the government money'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't gamble so it doesn't affect me - but i see alot of commercial's on tv recently about giving special incentive and priorities to native american's in all the major industries in my province'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'similar to the human rights exemption'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'ie, they will be hired first'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe the same people who shook hands over forbidding white people from operating casino's on non-reservation land shook hands over who can work in canada based on race'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you lived in saskatchewan you could watch the commercials on ctv or cbc to see what i mean'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'potash/oil/gas/government tax-payers services such as energy/electricity and phone, + the likes'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all have their commercial's on tv with special emphasis not on skillset, but specifically on race holding skillset'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe some of the 250 million dollar's is being routed towards bribery of government official's and their official selection process?'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'seems strange if you see why i try to see the rationale behind it, maybe you had some input on the subject'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't look at 99% of cases and 1% of non-issue's and say that the 99% reflect absolutely no characterisics of the 1%'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'man, there's this doctor in quebec who stabbed his two boy's to death after having a break up with his wife, from a high profile hospital and all - they're considering just letting him walk away from his murder charges because he says he was retarded at the time, and not fit to take the stand until the story is fabricated with all the supporting pieces by his bought off lawyer and judge'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'execute him'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how do you become suddenly insane with training in psychology and being a doctor to stab your two children on your farm to death with a knife?'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'no capital punishment in canada'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'did he think they were imaginary people in his sudden lapse of schizophrenica/'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the fact didn't hit home to his trained doctorate mind that he was stabbing his children to death while he did'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'doesn't matter whether insane or not, having the capability to kill makes him unfit for society'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'where in quebec?'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no reason to do it huh?  how about the 1/3 income goes to child support, 1/2 estate to exwife'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2011/05/12/quebec-turcotte-trial-describes-stabbing-children.html'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'thx'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i added my opinion to what i heard about it, for discussion'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it turns out that the schizophrenic person who was on a greyhound bus a couple years ago, repeatedly stabbing a random young man and cutting off his head right from his body - actually has a wife and kid - show me how easy it is for your idea of mental illness to reproduce, hold a job in edmonton and avoid appearing retarded long enough to do that'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what are they going to do with these people after their cases are done?  sentenced to time in an asylum until deemed sane..'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'my laywer says now is a good time to see the light'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'look at this, i'm sane, says here on my sanity quiz'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'out he goes'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they should be explaining why they are and must remain in custody after their brief glimpse of sanity replaces their brief lapse of insanity'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i have a neighbour who had a temporary insanity and drove his car through his house, set it on fire and murdered his wife'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'no custody, execution'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he had a .. reason , unlike these ones'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but i pointed out reasons for one of the two'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'possible*'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'there is no execution in canada'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'not for any crime'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'that is foolish'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'it's smart'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he's doing life or 25 years in prison'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: '1.) the person cannot be trusted in society 2.) given that, do you a.) pay his room and board forever, or b) simply remove him?'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'was it that he didn't have the proper medications at the time, didn't have the money to pay a lawyer that a top doctor in quebec would have , or what?'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'i remember hearing about a case back in the 80's where a father took the blame for a muder his daughter commited. He was sentenced to death. When the public found out that an innocent man was killed, there was an outcry'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'execution does not put the burden upon the victim society'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'i just read the story and it's not all cut and dry'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'he had (i don't know how) some letters that his ex and her lover had sent each other. He decided he was gonna end it. He drank windshield washer fluid. He might've finished himself off, but i'm not sure as to the reaction of a human body to such a substance'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'i'm not defending what he did, i'm just saying it's not the same as someone breaking into your house and killing your family'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, he shows there that he has remorse for what happened, he understands it (how not while it is happening?) and desperately searches for a means to end himself'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that shows me sanity'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how could two little children drive a sane man to kill them?'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'even an insane person, there's not very many of those out there and none of them have doctorates'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'he claims that he did it to spare them the subsequent trauma'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'insanity isn't a true/false type thing'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'it's a question of degree'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hmm, i think they met all the trauma that is humanly possible to subsequently experience'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'I'm not even interested in insanity or sanity, the fact is the human animal cannot be in society and must be removed'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'and then what?'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'and instead of paying for their upkeep for decades, socity executes them'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'an eye for an eye?'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'no'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'then why do we have the right to kill him?'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'time in prison and time in an asylum, maybe a mixture of the two, prison for the criminally insane - if somebody actually goes that low in their life how could they ever be trusted to not sacrifice a lesser goat (metaphor)?'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'there's no point, after segregating someone from society, to pay for their upkeep.'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'ou can't get much more of an emotional bond than your own children'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what would other peoples children appear to his temporary insanity?  more or less?'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'my rule applies for any killer.  remove.'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'i don't see it that way. i can sort of understand (not agree with) his reasoning.'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'he sees his life being over. he thinks that his kids will be scarred for life by finding their father's corpse. he thinks he's doing a goodish thing'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he didn't try very hard if he survived'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it was alot easier to practice suicide on his children?'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Children can EASILY drive a person insane enough to kill the little shits'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'he wasn't angry at the children...'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Maybe he just hates kids'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I know I do.'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'take it or give it in the ass if you don't want children'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'then he wouldn't have asked for custody'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Actually, Dokkar, I'm just going to get sterilized, but thanks for the advice.'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that's no fun, though'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'why ask to spend time with children who you despise?'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Hell yes it is'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's just terrible, i heard of the story and how he might be getting off any responsibility for it - figured i'd see what you think'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'but think of all the tang you lose out on'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Ah, I give the 'tang', not receive it.'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'i think that without having more info, i'm not ready to hang him just yet'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that greyhound bus killer still doesn't seem legitimately insane to me, because insane people in murder trials i can show you an example of their lifestyle's arriving there'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'ah, well, if you've got the little man in the boat no need to throw him overboard, I guess.'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and how they actually are oblivious and mentally ill by societies standards'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'i've had instances in my life where i was looking at a decision that i'd have deemed insane prior to that time as well as afterwards. i feel lucky that i would up not doing anything "crazy", but i can easily see my life turning out totally different.'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'would->wound'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't care what kind of arguements you have, short of he was possessed, if he could see beyond his imaginary friends until a point when he was armed and dangerous on a greyhound bus, sitting beside a young man, to cut off his head with a knife after stabbing him repeatedly - there is no push that could give him that drive that he hadn't seen before - being armed and dangerous at that time is premeditated murder to me'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's my opinion on that, that guy might end up being released from prison some day and hunting down his wife and kid'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'the distinctions between types of murder are irrelevant in terms of the necessary outcome'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you're high on PCP, you probably realize sooner or later that you're cutting off sombody's head - you have to slice back and forth and push and listen to the screaming around you and the gurgling sounds'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'so what would you do with the executioners? would they have to die as well?'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'they have been selected to eliminate the dangerous elements; their killings are not of the unexpected variety'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what the hell kind of person would ever consider releasing a person like that back onto the street, and what kind of psychiatrist would think his drugs worthy of preventing the homicidal tendencies that this person strangely never expressed until arriving at that specific time?'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'exile them from the camp for three days and three nights, so they can reflect on the what and why they have done and that the blood of his/her victim can be washed away.'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'it's easy to simply assume that a person who does something inhuman shouldn't be treated as one, but it's not his humanity that will be lost...'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'while the bible's lenient on rapists by merely requiring he dinker marry the victim, homicide usually goes punished with like the death penalty - unless rich as moses allowed'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that's how kingships and nobility operate.  You're untouchable if the man in charge can afford to do nothing about you.'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but death penalty's probably not always the answer - what bothers me is how actual killers that are psychiatrically unstable get released eventually, when their nature drives them to murder or rape or a mixture of the two - they shouldn't get a sinner on the house card just because they're mentally ill'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what happens to michael myers in the halloween movies?  they lock him up when he's 13 years old and he breaks out of the asylum, he's not deemed sane enough to be among people'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'thus mandatory and immediate execution'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'the criminally insane shouldn't be released into society, but murdering them isn't right either'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'asylum's were mostly torn down since 1980'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'is it then better for taxpayers to pay for the person's living, room and board, entertainment for the rest of their lives?'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'how would you tell the normal from the criminally insane, though?  The latter are exceptionally creative enough that they can fool pretty much anyone'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now most mentally insane people spend their time in penetentiary's with ordinary inmates'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think a solution would be to bring back asylum's and not put people there who don't belong there'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'who decides?'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'psychiatric professionals and the court'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'whatever court is constructed to do so'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you'd really have to force them into a corner wherein their nature just overwhelms their ability to playact, but doing so is highly unethical and/or quite dangerous.'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'i can agree with some moderately radical views if they can be performed properly. the problem that often occurs in today's justice system is that the rich really do get away with mudrer and the poor pay for it'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'in the end, it is more efficient to operate within the notion that everyone is guilty until proven otherwise.'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'they do that in england'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'though the burden of proof for the defendant is greatly reduved'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'reduced*'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'guilty until proven innocent, when the suspect has enough supporting reasoning to treat them as such'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but to have a conviction proof is still needed'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'otherwise innocent until proven guilty, for less serious offenses'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'i remember hearing tons of stories about how years after the fact, DNA evidence proved that people who had been in jail for years turned out to be innocent'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'how about all the ones that were killed? how do you fix that?'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that still happens, simply because of how recent DNA tech is'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i heard alot of those stories too, must be hard having no voice but knowing you're innocent behind a brick wall'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'reanimation, duh.'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'so how do we know that we're killing the right person. what do we do if we later discover that the person was in actuality murdered by the state?'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'just gotta hope that you don't bring back an angel or demon, though.'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'yep, that's the trick isn't it Gorsk'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'to not be a member of a murderous society, i'm willing to contribute my tax dollars for their encarceration'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'ah, well; here's the bil then'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: '"bill'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'for instance, there's this person in a institution about 120 mile's from me at the moment, his father died and his memorial service is maybe tomorrow - his release date is 4 day's from now, the jail doesn't want to grant him early leave or leave with a police escort to attend the funeral in vancouver'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'because they say that this man is a high risk offender'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but in 4 day's it's not their responsibility if he fucks up when released'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'high risk or not, there he goes - his high riskness isn't addressed, only the date's the court gave them'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the family could postpone the memorial service by 3 days i imagine, without much problem'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the point is that they know they're releasing a high-risk offender'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and there is no preventative measures in place, no rehabilitation and purging of that part of him'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'every time a crook goes to prison, they learn more about crime than they were exposed to before going there, and how to better get away with it learning from others mistakes'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the prison system can be alot more efficient if people invested some time in developing it and experimenting'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they do talk about prison guards being threatened by friends of inmates and the like if they don't perform services for them'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'on prison shows on national geographic and stuff'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what is it that prevents the threatened from being able to report that and having adequate protection from the threats?'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'local terrorists are less problematic than international?'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'the element of surprise?'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yep, the element of surprise is one'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that whole scenario tells me that some people aren't doing their job'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'the ridiculous assumption of innocence'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Proverbs 13:24 -> Whoso is sparing his rod is hating his son, and whoso is loving him hath hastened him chastisement. '
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's the law against spanking your kids?'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'adults spank eachother in pornographic films all the time, sometimes dressed as teachers or priests'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nunspanking is a popular fetish'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i wonder how the original purpose of spanking became a cause for erection'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we're being bad and spanking eachother'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'what deviated the concept of spanking was a lack of a sex life.  In the total absence of such, the individual will create ways to get off on otherwise-innocent methods.'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but did that perversion decide the kinky sex phenomenon we see today and the forbidden view over punishing/getting attention of your children?'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't agree with christian churches performing homosexual marriages and i don't agree with the government having the ability to force them to, and i don't agree with punishing your children short of child abuse being forbidden'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'specifically, a lack of a sex life among clergy, who were largely expected to avoid sinning altogether as opposed to sinning and later doing penance.'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's a difference between a set of brass knuckles indented where the kids nose used to be and a little red welt on the ass where they were attemptedly corrected by a memory of uncomfort from the result of performing some undesired action'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Freud seemed to think so.  His idea of abnormal sex was not having any at all.'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'a Catholic clergyman is not expected to not sin.  Penance is their whole philosophy'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's a show on tv called the grayman that follows the life story of albert fish, i think his name was'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'all of this was decided a couple to a handful of hundred years ago, Gith.  The catholic church has since mellowed out by a lot.'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he was apparently raised ina  catholic orphanage and enjoyed to be whacked by the priests'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but i think spanking predates the church'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'as a fetish?  Not really.'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in use as a development shaping aid by parents'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as a fetish yeah, that's why i mentioned fish, he treated it like that'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if it predates the church, it probably goes in cycles then.  Probably had a peak during the Roman Empire when all sorts of perverted acts became the norm.  Once that structure fell, it would've taken a while for such mentalities to dissolve or move underground.'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i imagine the roman's are good candidates for enjoying child molestation parent-baby kinky sex play's, though they maybe normalized teh real thing along with the perversion'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what i meant is that the use of spanking as a kinky kind of sex toy pretending to be bad by breaking the law spanking your child (which you are here giving the rod, your phallus or dildo)'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Deathmor: 'off'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is probably as you say, not much older than the church - but the use of spanking as a method to teach your kids they're doing something wrong is probably alot older'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's not spanking if you're involving penetration, Druzil'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'ah, foreplay leading to submergence'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no secret fantasies being played out similar to like i'm saying?'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not so sure that isn't ever the case'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'given the church scandals, obviously not.'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as for the church changing it's law's in all denominations to cater to homosexuality and any other deviation from how the gospel says people should behave - there is the saying from the gospel: For many are called, but few are chosen. at matthew 22:14'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that says to me that you can't really please everybody and the real church wouldn't change it's laws every time they seen a significant sheep population straying for a certain practice'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'the Catholic Church long ago replaced adherence in the Bible with their own written law'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i always refer to the bible as authority on the religion of the church before the denomination'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'why not, Dru?  The church is conceptual little different than, say, Aardwolf MUD.  If it kept to a specific set of unchanging rules, then membership would decline--at least until external events drove us all back.'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'it isn't necessary to do so, that is imposing the Bible upon an altogether different philosophy'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i have a polish and a hungarian bible from around 1850 - 1875 or earlier that i would like to compare word for word with a modern version to see if there are any changes, but i don't know those languages'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'to see as you say about their own written word being more authoritative than the book's'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if it was altogether different philosophy, people wouldn't wonder about the god of a bible through their institution'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or society would let them know that there is a difference and there is no real church of the bible'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in this world'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'society doesn't know enough about the Bible to make that declaration; people as a whole believe that Catholics represent the Bible'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'even so far as to claim that hypocritical Catholic (and Protestant) behaviors demonstrate some 'conflict' in the Bible itself, illogical as that is'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'somehow it's become seen by the public as a hate crime to not accept homosexuality as a valid practice by members of your group, be it a business, a government orafice or a religious institution'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'by not participating or promoting in the abhorrent acts by your standards you are abetting a .. hmm, criminal ? '
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'that's because general populations of Western societies have no moral center'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's evil to go against the will of somebody who doesn't hunt down and kill or otherwise disrupt the lives of the people why don't want nothing to do with'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Eastern societies are way too violent to cast that stone, or they practice an altogether different religion and thus are relatively moot.'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'rephrase that plz Druzil, I didn't udnerstand that'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a book written 10,000 years ago says that the priest's and prophet's idea's of god think homosexuality is evil, i don't want it in my church building or to sanctify marriages between them in my building'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'did they ever get that Al Sharptonese translator in place?  That might work here.'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'rephrase hmm, they are seen as a social stain by in a group not accepting homosexuality and a threat to the populace, which has a minority of homosexuals in it'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'true, in Western countries'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they go there for non homosexual reasons, they have no problem with that'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but otherwise, society forces them to go against their own will'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'doesn't hunt down or kill or otherwise disrupt - like the ku klux klan is said to burn crosses and churches and businesses, those kind of actions in the past don't apply - only they are seen as a threat and not acceptable because they don't accept what they think is not acceptable human behaviour'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they don't go out of their way to make the lives of homosexuals worse'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's human nature versus human behaviour, you can't escape what color you are but you can choose what you do with your self, if your actions don't agree with a institution then why should the institution change for you?'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're debating whether or not women are allowed to wear pants in france now, pants were a sign of your penis and women weren't allowed to pretend to have one at all until the early 20th century'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'power begets change.  If enough of the "you" leaves the organization, you will lose financial power and political power.  If a rival then decides you need to be taken over, you could be taken over and subsumed as well.'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'blatantly put'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'ah, take no concern over this world informs the gospel, the evil of the day is sufficient unto itself'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'difference of worldy and heavenly knowledge being removed from the church..'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'real churches should be ran by 100% volunteer work, from lighting to maintenance'
T3/r4/2011-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the priest needs to make some money yea, hmm, jesus worked'
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Put 10% of your wealth in gold and pray that it does not work.'
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'I made 2k off silver last month'
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *Yay!*  Go Githerax!!!  Tinada cheers him on.
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ailet: 'anyone going to the tarsand protest at 1600 pennsylvania avenue northwest, washington dc, 22601-0001?'
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'what is the nature of this protest?'
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ailet: 'i dont know. it seems to be an anti oil pipeline anti global warming thing'
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'I will not be attending'
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ailet: 'i was going to ask anyone that was going to tell me more =('
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'how can you be anti oil AND anti global warming?'
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: '??'
T3/r4/2011-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ailet: 'dokkar i think the idea is that they are trying to be anti oil pipeline, and saying that the pipeline will make the world a warmer place'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stuuben: 'mastodon is the best band ever'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'somebody elses nation's and invaders versus after birth of some other foetus and the fraudulent squirtling that is in the test tube'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'have you never been in a cage like mine ?'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you should rent your kids to me in my nation and maybe we can fix that for future reference'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i have a limitless amount of hate to baptise you with'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i never had national pride, as i see a whore for a whore'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the devil isn't so wise as he thinks'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Uranium City Saskatchewan, got its name cause there's no uranium there'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'avrial arrow wasn't built by canadian's'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'jesus, more uranium than any other nation on earth for the bomb's to make that oil last 10,000 years'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'with whatever technology required'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and of course, cause canada isn't a nation, you see how it goes, the real nation hides behind it all '
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'soviet spies in canada maybe, as the 1950 newspaper says'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm curious whehter i'm correct or not that the holocaust was a re-enactment of a egyptian deification ritual practiced in honour of a monarhc'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you'll notice it's not considered anywhere'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the real nation's the people behind that of course'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're too sneaky to be seen though, and far too unantlike to talk with me'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'for real, they'd hack off their heads and cocks and cunts and squirt blood all over the altar and holy grounds and bury people alive once in awhile, virgins for the carcass, messengers would memorize a message and happily take a spear through their guts'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'squirting their way to the underworld to communicate with the holiest of lord that watches over their masterplan'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'little monkeys just like you'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'aren't you lucky to not be monkey'd around at all? this .00001% of human history has totally deviated from the past'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i call bullshit, they're still doing it'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it was eugenics!  he was a euthanasia sympathizer'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a pure race of spunky monkeys'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'humanity is a disease - like the show gremlin's and gizmo, he's so cute until you get him/her wet and then look at what pops out, it's hezekiah turned lucifer'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'holy jesus turned judas'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'for every gizmo there's a million bastards'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you're all following your retarded nation of being slime'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm just pointing out that you're retarded'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Your maths seems a little off...if 1/1000000 is not retarded as you say, how can we ALL be retarded? I'd say by those odds 6000 people wouldn't be'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Someone really pissed in your cornflakes this morning, didn't they?'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they did and i had nothing else to eat i might kill them and consume their phallus'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Watch out!  Idiot Patrol!  Rascally Ryke is on the loose!
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Did Druzil just admit to eating cocks? I think he did.'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe this winter the snow won't leave'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I believe it is his 2nd choice of breakfasts, after Cornflakes...'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'fall is always my favourite time of year, everything turns nice and stagnant'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i wonder how long you'd last'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Move to Alaska?'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'god never tried the deep freeze approach on people en masse, but he flooded them once to see that they couldn't float very well'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Aahh...Waterworld...AWESOME movie, with surprise nudity!'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'debate yes, the nazi's put that in'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or the illuminati'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'I don't remember any nudity, I only remember Kevin Costner playing the role of Kevin Costner, like always.'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Kevin with GILLS! man, gills'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'was it leviathan who swatted that oil pipe like a bitch and giggled at the filly humans?'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'The Postman (with water)'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Incidentally, he drank his own urine in that film...I believe it truly is a film for Druzil'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or was it somebody near scandinavia, possibly taking orders from the real government?'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'I bet he gets along famously with Bear Grylls, then.'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'piss drinking and shit eating is as old as the government'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Uh, I'm pretty sure it predates government, actually.'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they might open up all of the real government's meetings with a serving of the blood and body of their god'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Blade 1'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lmao'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they wouldn't put that on a hollywood movie, the concept is too gregacious'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I will now attempt to reference films to Druzils rants - Ahbed from Community style'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Fun = killed... um... The General, voted best Silent Film'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no time for fun, only a few steps to hell from here'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and then there is no more need to procastinate, cause hell will be a lie and birth never existed'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Children of Men'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i like movies where everybody dies and the narrator informs the viewer that he doesn't really exist at the end'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Meaning of Life'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the camera turns around to show that there's nobody there, and then the television disappears with the room'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The Truman Show'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the viewer wonder's where his face went as he can't reach it with his missing arms and the feelings are all disappearing'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'until he's left with the narrator in his default state of being'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Equilibrium'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Well, this was fun, but the Rogan Josh I made earlier needs rice, and I am hungry'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'I think Fear and Loathing pretty much sums up all of his rants, though.'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nah, that show is about pulsing hallucinations and mental illness'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: '...yep.'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nothing that can't be acheived without an imagination, youre only grafting memories onto blood flow and not being original at all'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Yellow Submarine, then?'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do they make them in that color?'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Clearly they do, or else there wouldn't be a movie about it!'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if it coems with black torpedo's sign me up, everybody wants a bumblebee'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if i ever own a nuclear bomb, i will paint a tattoo of a butt on a butt on it's nose, and call it the MTV, and blame it on television'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'matlock will be it's lawyer, for why it did what it did'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so if this here world of shat is the shadow of death, then what does death look like?'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'does it shine from below, or block the shine of the mantle?'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or which constant thing is death that casts its shadow from'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in an instant the entire ground of the world can be sucked down and replaced with molten lava'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'isn't that cool?  '
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not much to have faith in is it?'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the continents nothing but icebergs that slowly flip'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'vertical continents as they do their death plunge'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i like it cause it kills everything'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not even a twitch left behind'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'better to not exist than to exist in hell'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the bible informs the reader that everybody in hell will thank the god for his eternal torture'
T3/r4/2011-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who's going to be the first to change that?'
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ailet: 'is anyone listening to president obama's speech?'
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'must be if he's still filling auditoriums'
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ailet: 'dokkar did you know the secret service guys get 150 lbs free luggage ?'
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they get a lot more than that'
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they get entire planefuls of stuff just for them'
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ailet: 'dokkar you ever see the movie ' the last boy scout' starring bruce willis?'
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ailet: 'where he plays a secret service guy that punches a senator?'
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'a long time ago'
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ailet: 'would 11 business days from today be before or after the 4th of September?'
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'before'
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ailet: 'are you sure?'
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'yes'
T3/r4/2011-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ailet: 'ok thank you'
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: '..'
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'stop using my channel.'
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'use gossip instead.'
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'get all those morons off gossip!'
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the members of the super committee have been receiving super political donations from lobbyists ever since the committee was created and the members named.'
T3/r4/2011-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'super'
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'is sean connery a gay icon?'
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'you tell me:  http://bit.ly/rg5Rqb'
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'is VD a gay non-icon ?'
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i cant, im busy reaing a blog post at democratic underground about contacting timothy leary via a ouija board'
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'my bad'
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The US should get rid of the senate, and double the size of the house of representatives.'
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'why?'
T3/r4/2011-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'should just herd them off a cliff like the english did to the aborigonies (spelling)'
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hey do you guys think its against the ebay rules to ebay a kevlar helmet?'
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'they say you can't do guns and stuff, but a helmet. i dk'
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'yes, a helmet is a firearm'
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'also depends on where you got that helmet'
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'xiucozcatl thanks for your input, i have trouble thinking at the warped level of a dhs officer too'
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'london riots ?'
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'xiucozcatl nah... surplus'
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'in the states'
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'VampireDude, you have trouble just thinking.'
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'dammit'
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'its green... like an olive but no nipples'
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'starling, at least i didnt get fired from waffle hut'
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'is that a euphamism ?'
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'He's just projecting, pay him no mind.'
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zdinka: 'people do not think hard enough about rabbits and ufo's .. '
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'so the rumours are true, rabbits are out alien overlords ?'
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'pretty sure its mice'
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zdinka: 'definitely maybe, but there *is* something fishy about the hippity-hoppity'ness /nod'
T3/r4/2011-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'the mice arent aliens, they are trans-dimensional'
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'adios vs adieu... same origin?'
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'different languages'
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'adios is Spanish "With God", adieu is French, the same'
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'very similar though'
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'both are "go with god"?'
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'i'm wondering if there's a common source'
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'of What does "common source" mean anyway? Etymologically?'
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'yep'
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=adieu&searchmode=none'
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'see the first two entries'
T3/r4/2011-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'interesting site, thanks'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elpeligrito: 'and, as an added bonus, debate channel is X rated!'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'rated or not, depates about religion never end well'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malinar: 'True that'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elpeligrito: 'well, there were the crusades, and - wait. that didn't end well either, did it?'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'religion isn't the problem imo. i blame extremism'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malinar: 'Yeah, they give everyone else a bad name.'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'but i'll defend the scientific method to the bitter end :)'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malinar: 'I like my way of thinking, which is basically "If billions of people have argued about it for thousands of years, what chance do I have?"'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Without religion, there would be no religious extremists. Therefore religion is the problem.'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Likewise, without oxygen there would be no extremists. Therefore oxygen is the problem, too!'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'would lack of religion have stopped the nazis?'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malinar: 'Damn oxygen. Ruins everything.'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malinar: 'Lack of oxygen would have.'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'o2 sux, use o3 instead'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'one of the reasons i like science is its need to question itself'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'if it didn't prove itself wrong, it wouldn't be science'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'hmm..some boneheaded econ prof with seemingly quite limited knowledge of real financial markets (and US politics) belives that a US financial transaction tax "could raise hundreds of billions a year in revenue with minimal distortions"'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Phlip: 'which transaction is this?'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'correct me if i'm wrong, but taxes is how you generate revenue'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Phlip: 'ooops, got it, misread'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'tobin tax kind of thing'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a $1 tax on each buy and sell of stocks/bonds/mortgages and a few other high value transactions would be fine.....20 years ago they cost more than $100 to do one, efficiency made them so cheap today.'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The UK has a 0.5% tax (stamp duty) on some transactions. Professionals are exempt (otherwise trade would move away from London..), so it's ordinary people paying the tax.'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'professionals are not gonna move away, that is the oldest excuse in the world. :)'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Phlip: 'they don't tax the trade right now in the US do they? just the profit'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Professionals will move their betting to (insert country with no transaction tax) one week before the tax arrives'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That would be like all the people making $5 million a year or more in the US will move away to another country if they have to pay an additional $50k in income tax per year.'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The people won't move, the betting will move.'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'places like eTrade have fees, doesn't tax apply to those based on location (some states have sales tax, others don't)?'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Sorry, but if the nasdaq decided to move their operations overseas to prevent the paying of taxes, I would stop using them....you cant trust countries like bermuda or the virgin islands to have laws that protect people.'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods at Dokkar.
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'but try having a US transaction tax on an exchange in Switzerland'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'same with any brokerage that decided to move overseas.'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'you can tax the earnings at the end of the year, certainly'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Besides, a transaction tax would be paid at the time of use, I am sure they will figure it all out, just like how they tax money transfers going overseas....if your in the US and buy some stock, you pay the tax.....no need for the broker to pay it.'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would be the one paying it.'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I applaud your optimism'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a transaction tax raising the stock trade from $7 to $8 is not gonna kill me.'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'considering I used to pay over $50 for them.'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'However, a 0.5% tax will kill perhaps 80% of market activity'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, a % tax is the wrong way to do it, you have to do a fixed amount per trade.'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'otherwise the % needs to be really low'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that might work, but if you want hundreds of billions per year, you need % of transation value, and then all sorts of weird things happen'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you do a $5 million stock purchase, you shouldnt be charged $250k for the privilege.'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, there are billions of financial transactions each day in the US, a $1 fee would raise over $200 billion a year.'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Get rid of the mortgage interest deduction and I would be happy, that would raise $60 billion and perhaps force a few people to buy a house within their means.'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'there are no such houses legally allowed to be owned in that price range for me.'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Hmm, a 60 mile undersea tunnel from Alaska to Russia under the bering sea.   Yeah, but first there would need to be a freaking road from Anchorage to the tunnel, and that would cost another $50 billion.'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and ... air '
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'why can't they just use the bridge to nowhere?'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and you're wrong. the road should not be from anchorage, it should be further north, near the pre-existing shipping lanes the gwinchi speaking tribal types use'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'because Russia ins't nowhere.'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tyebald. its not? '
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'nope.  it's somewhere.'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'is ... athens texas somewhere? or nowhere?'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'probably less nowhere than Centralia, PA or Times Beach, MO.'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'what about centralia kansas?'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'or Kabul, MO?'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'or rushville missouri'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mountaintop coal mining is nothing more than destroy and take, come up with a better method to extract coal without destroying the local environment and I would support it.'
T3/r4/2011-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'but then the corporations would have to pay more and they don't want that'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'haiku are an imbecilic form of poetry'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'so's your mom'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they're like twitter for rap'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rechy Arxe: 'yeah i honestly dont understand half of them either'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the rules to form a valid haiku is the imbecilic part'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'knowledge is lacking / but the medium is fine / the problem is you'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'and are there prose haiku'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seriously, Salvanas: '... me-di-um? '
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'you have another way to pronounce it?  it's not me-jum.'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '5-7-5 '
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rechy Arxe: 'the only thing interesting about haikus are the ability to get some clever message across while sticking to the rules'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seriously, Salvanas: 'Meh. Me-dyum. ee-ther ey-ther.'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the rules to form / a valid haiku is the / imbecilic part'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rechy Arxe: 'havent really heard of many phonemic pronunciations that changes the amount of syllables :P'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'first of all, 5-7-5 is not actually a rule of haiku. second, haiku can only be about nature. otherwise you're talking about a similar form with a different name entirely'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'potaytoe potahtoe'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rechy Arxe: 'what are the true rules to haiku then, fiendish?'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: '5-7-5 refers to japanese On, not syllables'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'tentacles are nature right, so haikus about tentacle porn is ok ?'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'tentacle porn is unnatural, so no.'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Haiku and https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Haiku_in_English are both good explanations'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'well thats pretty subjective '
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the "On" is an unfamiliar word if not a prepositon adverb or cricket term'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'it's not an english word'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rechy Arxe: 'huh, so if haikus go by On then "desu" counts as one On, correct?'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/On_%28Japanese_prosody%29'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'well it is english, but not in this context'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rechy Arxe: 'i suppose On is the english equivalent to a syllable in retrospect'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hiroki: 'desu counts as 2 mora'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'it's not equivilent, on in english IS composed of one sylable'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'it's not equivalent at all'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'On is equivalent to Morae in english'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ol' Dirty Fiendish As one example, the Japanese syllable-final n is moraic, as is the first part of a geminate consonant. For example, the word Nippon (one of the pronunciations of, the name for "Japan" in Japanese) has four moras (ni-p-po-n). Thus, in Japanese, the words Tokyo (to-o-kyo-o), Osaka (o-o-sa-ka), and Nagasaki (na-ga-sa-ki) all have four moras, even though they have two, three, and four syllables, respectively."
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'Japanese will just / turn to black market for their / tentacle porn now'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'yay google'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rechy Arxe: 'ah, i thought since desu has the silent u then itd be 1...so its like a character then, as nippon uses four characters i believe'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'what does desu mean?'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hiroki: 'in conversation that happens, it's called devoicing of high vowels (i, u)'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'Desu can mean: A Japanese copula (??), or word used to grammatically link a subject and predicate, often translated into English using the verb "to be"'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'lmgtfy'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'that's...interesting.  So what's the joke behind that girl that says 'desu' all the time?'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rechy Arxe: 'that puppet girl? forget the anime...'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/desu'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Rozen Maiden?'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'It's hardly the offender, though.  Rika in Higurahi ends almost every sentence with desu.'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'the only offender, rather.'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'ok I guess I get it'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'am I doing it right?'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rechy Arxe: 'essentially :P'
T3/r4/2011-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Githerax beams proudly at himself.
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'someone should do a survey and ask "if all candidates were equally electable, who would you want to vote for?"'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: ''C. All of the above''
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'you are wrong'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It seems like half the population is ok with voting for (a lesser) evil, as long as their vote isn't "wasted" :)'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'welcome to adulthood'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'welcome to childish adulthood'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'ie democracy'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rolst: 'hmm'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(from tech) Wissie:  Al Queda are pleased how GWB increased the Usa national debt and ruined the finances of the Usa -- in that sense Al Queda may opine (to quote your words) that "gwb was the best president the us ever had"'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'lol'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'are people still buying the "Al Queda" did it story?'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'did what?'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'exactly, they haven't done shit and i bet they couldn't give a shit if the US goes broke because the feds are taking the money'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'the US has its own problems like anywhere, polticians being at the forefront of it'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'stop electing career politicians'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'and elect who instead?'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'there is nobody else, the problem is intractable'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'elections are a farce anyways... democrats and republicans are all the same'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'agreed'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'idk... bush and clinton are somewhat dissimilar imo'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'but similar enough to have the same bunch of friends'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'if you travel the same paths, eventually you'll wind up in the same circles'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'and if you think obama is any better then bush, you're sadly mistaken'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'obma didn't have a booming economy and a 500 trillion dollar surplus at the start of his mandate'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'and if you think santher is just spouting BS, you'd be totally correct'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'ok what has obama done?'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'I support no politicians of any kind and I say Obama hasn't done anything financially different than Bush II- allowed lower taxes and raised spending'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'obama made a huge mistake in trying to be bipartisan at the start of his presidency'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'so he's raised taxes...'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dagfib: 'used creative interpretations of legislation to justify writing executive orders as if they themselves were legislation santher'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'he hasn't done crap unfortunately, but hey, way better than what bush has done'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dagfib: '... alot'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toraelus: 'Oh no! Taxes! God forbid!'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'unless you make large amounts of money, then your taxes haven't gone up'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'did anyone else see the bit Jon Stewart did about taxing the rich vs taxing 'everyone else'?'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dagfib: 'githerax: read warren buffets oped piece he did for nytimes about a week ago'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dagfib: 'i <3 warren buffet'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elpeligrito: 'the The World of Class War one?'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'I prefer to get my analysis from the Daily Show :D is that wrong?'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dagfib: 'probably the same point, just put out by an obscenely rich guy ... and more depressing heh'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elpeligrito: 'That was beautiful.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'surprisingly, no. i watch the major networks and find that the daily show coverage some of the most fair and balanced around'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if this payroll tax break is allowed to expire, nearly 1 of 2 Americans getting a paycheck will see an increase in their FICA tax equalling to about 2%'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toraelus: 'Explain to me why that's bad?'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'its not'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toraelus: 'Clearly someone disagrees, as he's using it as a talking point. :-P'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'people are also stupid'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'agree with Jek'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'politically, it's the Republicans shooting themselves in the foot because they are effectively raising taxes even if said increase is irrelevent.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elpeligrito: 'I'd be willing to kick in 2% if it helps. I've noted that my health ins takes 3x as much of my paycheck as my combined taxes.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toraelus: 'No, I want to know why raising taxes is Bad.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'people as a whole are self-destructive and any institution they create will reflect that'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'because god said don't raise taxes'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'for the democrats, if it's not such a big deal then why not let the tax cut expire?'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toraelus: 'The republicans have already shot themselves in the foot with their pyrrhic victory and the fact that they've lost a major following re medicare/aid.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toraelus: 'Because the D's are pussies, mostly.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'unfortunately'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toraelus: 'They're capitulating to the repubs, and the repubs are trying to burn the entire country to the ground.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Jon Stewart reported that taking 50% of the bottom 50% of USamericans is only going to raise 700 billion dollars'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'which is the same amt as the bush tax cuts are allowing'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'how much of that 700 billion equates to an individual?'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'but the hypocrisy is that Republicans are saying 'the bush tax cuts won't make a dent in the deficit' but at the same time 'tax everyone equally' (as though that is different somehow)'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'wa'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'oops'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'I don't know, Dokkar, what's 40% of the total number of employed persons in the US?'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Jon Stewart reported that removing the Bush taxcuts from the top (2% of) USamericans is also able to raise 700 billion dollars'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'that's not just Jon S., that's the Republicans admit that amount'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'in the old days they'd seize youre excess for the nation'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'but they say it won't make a dent in the spending (which is true), and that everyone should be taxed (which is debateable)'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toraelus: 'Nobody's given an honest answer why taxes are bad yet.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'repubs can't add, main problem'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toraelus: 'And Modi's cranking up the rhetoric over there. Now it's not taxing, it's seizure.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'Jon Stewart's point was that taking half of everything the lower 40% have = 700 billion, whereas taking a small fraction of what the rich have is also 700 billion, so which can afford it?'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the economy is never so single-factorish as that, though'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and people who have money know how to make money, and one of the first things they'll do is pass as much as they can onto the consumer.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toraelus: 'And that's been disproven time and again over the last 40 years.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toraelus: 'Reagan was wrong.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'yeah'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'people who have money know how to keep money'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'rich people horde moneyh'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'and tend to keep it'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dagfib: 'dokkar: what?'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, not passing MONEY to them, passing the costs'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'right'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'taxing the bottom 50% of USamericans is not going to raise much in taxes -- 150 million by $5000 is 750 billion -- are the poor able to pay an extra $5000 without grievous financial distress'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'Xyliz, the point is no they can't'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'that 150 million includes men woman children babies '
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'there should be like a 50% increase on the rich'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'theyre the one's fuckin us up'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'yeah, the repubs claim they want the good ol days, rich fucks used to get taxed crazy high rates, now they pay lower rates than us :p'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'well the more rich you are, the more you should pay % wise'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I'll give you a recent blatant example.  The EPA made some ruling against the Metropolitan Sewer District of St. Louis that boiled down to them paying a large sum of money to upgrade their service area to meet EPA regulations.  During that battle, they told everyone straight up that they couldn't afford that hit and if they were forced to pay the cost was going straight to the consumers in the form of a rate increase.  This is going to turn into at least another $100 on everyone's bill and likely a lot more.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'yes, but the more money you have the easier it is to hide it/defer it/etc to end up paying less'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toraelus: 'Blatant example of what, precisely? The problem with our national fear of taxation?'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Jon Stewart said that Barack Obama wants to restore the tax rates to that of the Reagan boom years'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dagfib: 'the US as a whole has a serious systemic financial issue in its culture'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elpeligrito: 'That is a classic business argument. A lie as often as true.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yea its more of a greed problem'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dagfib: 'i'd rather restore tax AND wage rates to that of the 50s ... fine by me... the only reason we're even remotely even to adjusted wage rates of the 70s is in dual income households'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'of people with money "not paying" taxes levied against them.  Yeah, they'll have to pay but they'll just pass it on so that there's no net difference.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fae Wino Joelz: 'my favorite argument is the "oh, they create jobs, so they shouldnt be taxed so much"'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'again, thats been proven wrong by history'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'they  hustle people in droves is all they really do'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fae Wino Joelz: 'great, so the people they create jobs for, who get paid peanuts comparatively, get taxed at a higher rate than their employer'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'yes'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'unless there is some factor of socialization ceos have no reason to pay their workers crap and keep all the money themselves, simple facts'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dagfib: 'the ultra rich just simply have little or no income (as defined as wages by our tax system)... so the tax is disproportionate ... they make money from capital gains etc, which is sitting at about 15% atm'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the old wage rates of the 1950s adjusted to the current moderen value of the USdollar are going to br far higher numerically'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toraelus: 'Not entirely true, Jek. CostCo comes to mind.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'is there no federal property tax?'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dagfib: 'which would be amazing for our economy as a whole xyliz'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'exception that proves the rule sadly'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'by the way, clothing lines this fall are losing something up to like a third of the fabric and taking on lower-quality stitches/useless embellishments to hide the cost hikes.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'what maikes you think life is supposed to be fair ?  or even that your idea of fair has value to anyone with power ?'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fae Wino Joelz: 'as someone who makes more money than most of his friends, i have no problem paying a higher percentage of my taxes. sure, i'd like to keep as much of my money as i can, but living in a society costs. and i'd rather pay more in taxes as a single adult than a family of 4 living on the same amount. i dont need a tax break.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'materials costs doubled for them, but they have to fool the public so that the public continues to consider their product "a good deal"'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dagfib: 'dokkar: which is a direct result of current US wages being unable to take on the cost of standard inflation'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'building highways and infrastructure, education, national defense, jurisprudence, are all forms of socialism for the rich '
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fae Wino Joelz: 'not that im in the bracket for a break, im not that rich. but the concept applies'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toraelus: 'What, Xyliz?'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'pretty sure at this point inflation doesn't do shit that anyone cares about.  Far too much other crap scaring the fiscal bajeesus out of everyone.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fae Wino Joelz: 'huh?'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the republicans want increased socialism for the rich, and reduced socialism for the poor'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'obviously'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toraelus: 'I think that's.. sort of an odd way of looking at it.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Some are more equal than others, huh? :)'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'not really, more for me, less for the people they don't give a fuck about'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toraelus: 'Since most of those things you listed are inherently beneficial to both groups.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we have Obamacare looming over our heads, plus the green energy stuff.  Whether we need this or not, it's expensive as hell.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toraelus: 'Hah, I'm happy about Obamacare. Makes taking care of my mother a whole hell of a lot easier.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'we need social medicine if we dont' want to be a third world country'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fae Wino Joelz: 'obamacare is going to cost, but it's going to save a hell of al ot of money too'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'we need to improve education, if we dont' want to be a third world country'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fae Wino Joelz: 'hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars go to paying emergency bills of the uninsured every year'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'the health insurance and drug people are the biggest crooks out there'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'education http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'we need to improve transportation, particularly public transportation if we don't want to be a third world country'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'lol'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toraelus: 'That's not really a federal issue, Jek.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we can fix that quite easily without spending any money at all.  Just stop giving away all your shit for free.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toraelus: 'Nor should it be. Our population density's sort of insane.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'with healthcare and decent education, citizens are under less stress, live longer, are able to be more productive'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'drug companines, plus alcohol companies are the main reasons drugs, particularly marijuana, are illegal'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'marijuana is far more dangerous than nicotine'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'except there's not that many jobs, the social safety-net's nearing collapse in a matter of months, and we're not producing anything.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toraelus: 'Er, not really Xyliz.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'nicotine is far more pointless'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'agree to disagree, but which kills more?'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toraelus: 'Er, not really Xyliz.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toraelus: 'Ignore that.. wrong command.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'which is more addicting?'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'theyre both bad'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elpeligrito: 'Have a goo one, folks. Lemme know if anyone converts.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'there is no "second-hand" alcohol, there is second-hand marijuana'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'marijuana is illeal because of the commercial uses of hemp, which compete with commerical interests of cotton and other big industries'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toraelus: 'There are no high-driving murders, there are drunk-driving murders... point?'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dagfib: 'lol ...'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'alcohol has a more negative affect on others, id say'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dagfib grabs some popcorn and sits back to watch the show.
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'some train wrecks in America were attributed to marijuana usage'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'more people die from illegal drugs than legal ones.  Perhaps this would not be true if Mexico and Colombia and most of Latin America got wiped bare by aliens, but they're the Middle East of MJ and Coke'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toraelus: 'Citation?'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'facts, data, proof'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dagfib: 'citation please'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dagfib: 'citation please dokkar'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toraelus: 'Dokkar: I'm not entirely sure that's true, honestly. And it really depends on what you're including under "die from illegal drugs".'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'border drug wars, War on Drugs...'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'pills kill more people that illicit drugs'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toraelus: 'Are.. both political things not directly because of drugs?'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dagfib: 'Dokkar, please cite actual drug deaths as opposed to legality induced violence'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dr Jek: 'o well, this debate is pointless because I'm right, I need to shower and go to bed have fun'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'dont most people die from cancer & heart disease, both encouraged by alchol and tobbacco ?'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'in the west anyway'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toraelus: 'Heart disease is actually ameliorated by mild alcohol use.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'second-hand hashish oil from some selfish dirtbag smoking drugs on public transit may cause the driver's reflexes to slow down or lull off'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'yeah im thinkin mild users are dying from it'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'aren't'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toraelus: '..what?'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dagfib: 'lol'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yea it'd take a lot to hotbox a bus'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'xyliz drinkin in public is illeagal in most places'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'lots of mild users are able to produce lots of second-hand fog'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'in some places it's illegal even if you're not drinking it (ie, open-container or dry counties)'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'people are really tokin' on busses?'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toraelus: 'I've never been on a public transit that would let you smoke, let alone smoke enough to be even remotely able to affect any other passengers.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dagfib: 'lol, is there anyway to search history on a channel for a particular user? because goddamn, I really need to figure out if xyliz is just trolling'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'hrm, just a quick google search comes up with a study saying that people who smoke marijuana before driving are twice as likely to be in a fatal car accident, kind of slow on the uptake, but I want to go search it real quick :D'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'far too many people do shit they know to be against the rules but they do it anyway and complain loudly when caught.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'british medical journal, btw'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'it does mess you up, no doubt'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'who cares, it's well known you dont operate machiney while intoxicated'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'just like booze'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'was looking at the scenario were marijuana and drugs "legalised" and the selfish decided to "share" the second-hand drug-haze'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dagfib: 'and which scenario is that xyliz?'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and not the mention the whole reason that warning labels and suchlike are created in the first place.  People are doing shit that needs to not be done, and are too dumb, too high, or too crazy to realize they shouldn't do it.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Dagfib is deliberately "obtuse" --> debate -h '
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'yeah, but people keep saying that people don't die from smoking marijuana, and they may not overdoes from it, but it'd be wrong to say that it isn't involved in some deaths'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'yeah i'm sure asprin is involved in some deaths'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'only an idiot thinks poisoning yourself doesnt hurt you'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'yeah, it goes back to the moderation, self control, yadda yadda'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that's the narrow-minded thinking that causes all problems, Greagan.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dagfib: '"Xyliz: 'was looking at the scenario were marijuana and drugs "legalised" and the selfish decided to "share" the second-hand drug-haze'"  ... I'm wondering which "the scenario" with documentation, you're referencing?'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toraelus: 'I'm guessing some pothead hotboxing a train's locomotive.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toraelus: 'Since that's.. almost realistic?'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dagfib: 'seems like a legitimate use of grant money to me tor'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'I don't care if they legalize it, but to say that it doesn't have any risks is wrong, just my opinion, though'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'no one says that'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'unless they're high'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toraelus: 'Ok, and walking down the sodding street has risks.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dagfib: 'raise your hand if you plan on shooting heroin if it becomes legal everyone'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'maybe not here, but I've met people that try and convince me of that'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toraelus: 'Oh, oh! Me!'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'grant money has gone to get chimpanzees hooked on cocaine.  Pretty much makes valid reasons obsolete.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'oh yeah, as someone was saying earlier, alcohol destroys as many lives as any other drug  when abused'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i could get any drug i want already, and i choose not to, so dont see why that'd change'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dagfib: 'something being illegal has never stopped it from being abused .. ever'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'if they legalise the drugs, then in pill form only, no smoking, no needles, and even then, selfish smartalecs are going to take drugs and drive impaired'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toraelus: 'I'd like to be able to enjoy marijuana like I enjoy alcohol and tobacco. :-P'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'bad for you'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'as much as you want as often as is convenient? :P'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dagfib: 'Yes, and illegalization has stopped anything from being smoked, shot up, or ingested'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dagfib: 'oh wait ...'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'wherefore, you would, logically, be higher for longer, correct?'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'Does anyone else find it ironic that the financial debate segued into this one, considering the cost of 'the war on drugs' and the incarceration of drug-related criminals?'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toraelus: 'It happens pretty often. :-P'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dagfib: 'instead its caused rampant violence in 3rd world countries ... a serious lack (at least in the US) of free mental health and substance abuse care'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'if you live downwind from other houses, you get to smell everything being exhausted out the windows of house upwind'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toraelus: 'And Dokkar, are you referring to me? I don't ever smoke pot, and I rarely drink. That doesn't mean I wouldn't enjoy smoking pot more often while having a beer or two.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dagfib: 'which immediately makes you a super stoned addict driving into 747s full of orphaned children, killing them all'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toraelus: 'You've never lived next door to a chain smoker, have you? You really can't smell it that much.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'but some may say that killing orpaned children is commendable - reduces the taxpayer burden - and what are orphaned children doing flying the skies'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'being drug mules.  I mean, seriously, who is really going to check kids THAT closely with the Christian church hysterias as they are?'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'in the rural country areas, somebody smoking upwind is very noticeable downwind'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dagfib: 'dokkar: TSA of course'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that's meth-making or burning brush.  They're probably not smoking that much weed.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'there is a distinct difference between burning brush and tobacco burning - but what does meth-making smell like'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toraelus: 'Uh.. tobacco's also not marijuana..'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'ammonia!'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dagfib: 'cat piss'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toraelus: 'Mmm cat piss.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'used baby diapers, stale mop water, and what Dag said.  As though you concentrated it in a small paperbag you used to prevent hyperventilation.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dagfib: 'i'd almost go so far as to say cat piss from cats forcefed asparagus'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'that's an interesting image....'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'of course, there's usually no need to light a match to cover the meth-making smell.  The place ends up catching fire quite easily.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toraelus: 'Kaboom!'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'my wife's family lives in central illinois, I swear , every time we go down to see them, there's something in the newspaper about a motel room burning down from meth labs'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we had an inner-city condo burn down because of it, got everyone so excited because there wasn't a meth problem in that area before.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'no, there was a meth problem before; there wasn't after'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, that was the first methhouse.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'hrm, apparently by my inlaws, there's like 3 major interstates that go through the area, so it's a hotbed of meth production, which you wouldn't think while driving through these tiny country towns'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Missouri Facebook law makes it illegal for teacher moms to chat online with their own daughters.  Charol Shakeshaft (professor of educational leadership at Virginia Commonwealth University) says this is a good way to tackle sexual abuse in schools.'
T3/r4/2011-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'wtf?'
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'In this episode of cash cab, the women's boobs are bigger than their brains.'
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'size doesn't matter. it's what you do with it ;)'
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'except when it comes to dicks. then the size does matter'
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not according to gorillas.'
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'gorillas don't mind your small dick?'
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'gorillas don't do reacharound, Dag.'
T3/r4/2011-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toraelus: '..whoa. I want in on this.'
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Oh, hmm, the Obama family vacation budget seems to have exceeded $10 million, and Barak's played more golf in this partial term than GWB played in 2 full terms.'
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'in other words he's far more effective'
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada crosses his arms and nods slowly and sagely.
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bearaffe: 'ayla hates golf and presidents'
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, Barak's skipping holes.  He's afraid of the camaras and when he sees them on an upcoming hole he has his crew drive on to the next one.'
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bearaffe: 'is that why they don't let black guys play golf?'
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, they don't let them play because dealing with the psychobitch wife is hard.'
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bearaffe: 'she should be more like republican wives, submissive and obedient'
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz reviews: was watching tv while waiting for each quest, and noticed that the Big Bang Theory 'lizard-spock expansion' was perhaps antisemitic -- in retrospect though, the BBT is maligning intellectuals as 'idiots' and inadvertently reinforcing prior stereotypes. (and there is no aard review channel)
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Antisemitic is a bit harsh, don't you think?'
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'The bit about stereotypes is clear, it's what the whole series is based on.'
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz reviews: did you watch the Big Bang Theory 'lizard-spock expansion'  -- Howard Wolowitz is stereotyped as a sex-pervert (reminicent of portnoy's complaint), and an untrustworthy treasonous scientist betraying the USA for sex-thrills
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mendaloth: 'Ouch I've never had this channel on - but the color is rough.'
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'And your point is? I don't see why it should bother you. I've never regarded the Big Bang Theory as incisive social commentary.'
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'If only there were a way to change it...'
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'colorset debate bwhite'
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mendaloth: 'Well I know there is a way to change it - but I use defaults on every channel :P'
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Of course, Mendaloth: it's not online debate if your eyes aren't bleeding. :)'
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Not always, Jhav, I think it depends on who you're debating with.'
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toraelus: 'I think it's fitting. :-3'
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz reviews: "Two and a Half Men" is horrid to watch -- Jon Cryer plays a douchebag dishonest loser Alan Harper - and spoils the comedy -- before at least Charlie Sheen/Harper was handsome, but the replacement is an eyesore
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Is there already a replacement?'
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'some untrustworthy jew-looking Crotchner or Kutchner'
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the character Alan Harper is a sex-pervert given to excessive self-abuse, dishonesty, and accidental arson'
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'this coming from the person throwing around accusations of antisemitism 20 minutes ago =p'
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz reviews "Two and a Half Men" is likely reinforcing bad stereotypes -- and what is the supposed religion of the Harper family 
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'tvcomedy from stereotypes'
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz reviews: seems that some actor/product "names" are loosely disguised sex-tinged words
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Eliza Doucheku  (played the lead in DollHouse)'
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Why I even expected more of Xyliz I don't know...#'
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Kutchner reminiscent of Crotch-ner'
T3/r4/2011-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a product/service with the name "Coit" '
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'here's something for you all to rant about.  The Justice Department raided Gibson Guitars because the wood they were using for their frets was illegal according to Indian law.'
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'is that India or Native Americans you mean?'
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'India.  Native Americans still have to abide by US law.'
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'outside reservations, yes. inside, depends.'
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'for example. they have their own court systems on some reservations.'
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'but if it's India, they're probably claiming a violation of an fta right?'
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'why is the wood illegal? endangered?'
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'India's probably claiming that Gibson's violating trade agreements by using that wood, if it's protected environmentally or restricted'
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, nothing related to environmentalism.  Apparently wood products cannot be shipped from India in unfinished form.'
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'anywho, the Lacy Clay Act says that a company in the US will respect and adhere to sovereign law in other countries and can be held in violation of said laws, even if they had no reasonable awareness of those laws.'
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'lame'
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that's what Gibson said, and they're gonna try getting medieval on the Justice Department's ass about it.'
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'I'd respect the law more if it were a matter of public safety or conservation, but it sounds like India just doesn't want to lose the money'
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'here's a replacement candidate for Don't Ask, Don't Tell...Don't Let Them Hear It.'
T3/r4/2011-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the Marine Corps has issued orders for all Marines in Afghanistan to stop farting loudly while in Afghanistan to avoid offending Muslims.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Glocken: 'so is there a debate going on'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'something about a debt ceiling?'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'thought they raised that already?'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Glocken: 'yeah its done'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'now we're just figuring out ways to cut back ourselves so we can give enough money to our beloved Fuhrer so that his family doesn't have to.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'would obama be the hitler in this analogy? or do you mean the republican party?'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I mean, really, a $2000/night suite in Vale, Colorado is just insulting for their station.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'who else would it be?'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and who else could go on $10 million in vacations alone in just 3 years?'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Glocken: 'jesus'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'didn't bush vacation the first 4 months of his presidency?'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'at least they had the decency to do it in a recession.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'who? bush?'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'he didn't go anywhere.  He just sort of move the White House down to Texas for a while.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'he threw away 500 trillion dollars in the first month'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'cause he cut taxes on the ultra-wealth'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'wealthy*'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'nowhere close to that'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'he started an illegal and immoral war after lying to the people who elected him'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'he threw the world into a recession'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'and you're bothered by 10 million?'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'he also added more to the national debt than obama has, although obama still has some time to catch up if he'd like the title.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'obama's big mistake was trying to work with the republicans'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'he had the house and the senate when he came in, he should've done what he wanted to then and not tried to be nice'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'nothing keeps power in your party than blatant use of power.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if you wanna play the blame game, blame the democratic dumbasses who stopped voting.  They gave away Obama's powerbase, and now that they're all riled up again it turns out they don't like the way their Democrats are doing things either.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'it's true, if they'd have voted he wouldn't have this problem now'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'though the republicans are also in a bit of a pickle, now'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'they kept cranking up the rhetoric for a while now, not realizing that they were polarizing their followers in the process'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'it seemed safe enough cause the really upset ones wouldn't vote democrat'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'but now, they formed the tea party. and they don't necessarily want to follow the party line'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'umm, no.  The Tea Party isn't a Republican swift boating scheme.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Arguably Obama's big mistake is not dealing with the most important issues (environment, demographic changes, financial sector reforms) in any meaningful way'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'how many tea partiers are democrats? how many are republicans?'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'a lot, for both.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'there's a ton of democrats in the mix, but they are the "wrong" kind according to the DNC.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'i've heard democrats talk, that's doesn't sound like democratic lingo'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'all the democrats I witness are the weirdos who try to start riots and stuff.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'democrats don't say "the wrong kind" that's a fox "news"ish type comment. democratic comments tend to be long and boring and get people to tune out halfway through'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'democrats tried to start riots? when?'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'remember when the Tea Party rallies were happening all over?'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'i remember the tea party surge'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they were trying to pull all kinds of nasty shit there, hoping to get a reaction so they could point at the violence inherent to the system.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'that also sounds fox "news"-ish'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'turns out all the Tea Partiers weren't violent and the whole operation backfired on them.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'what exactly did they do?'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'some camaraman was punched for taping an interview, and they later tried to have the camaraman arrested for incitement.  The video showed the opposite.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'there was also the "plants", people who went to the rallies specifically to pick fights.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'the violence with the teap party is in their ideology'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'oh, so it's not like they shot a congresswoman or anything?'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'erm that was a paranoid schizophrenic who shot giffords..'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'i don't think he's saying that the democratic party was responsible for this. he's saying some random democrats. right?'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'he just listened to the motto: "don't retreat, reload" and took it litteraly'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'but the tone is what i'm referring to'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, it wasn't random.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'he had a personal beef with this congresswoman?'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'oh, the democrats?'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'sorry, just scrolled up and re-read'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'you think that this was organized by the democratic party?'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that wasn't a political situation.  Giffords getting shot by a republican is like saying the Democrats caused McVeigh to happen.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'i don't see the link'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'did a democrat put something about blowing up building on their website?'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'unbalanced people become enabled when a particular ideology gives them a target'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'e.g. what happened in norway'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'the commonality between these kinds of acts, imo, is extremism'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'what's common is the element of losing "their" country/culture/race'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'I agree Gorsk'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'i don't agree with the republicans' views, but i can respect that they have them'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'the guy in Norway's manifesto was along the lines of the tea-party but with a dash of nutso thrown in'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'the problem i see is that the tone on alot of right wing medioms isn't the same'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'mediums*'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'I think the problem is that they simplify the problems in order to blame someone'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'as if our economy can be resolved with a balanced budget, for example'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'when all the real-world research shows growth occurs at high levels of national debt to gdp ratios'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'solutions to economy include (1) print money, (2) some form of default, (3) star trek technology'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'lol'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'printing money is a very short term solution'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: '(4) time.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'You DO realize that our creditors are starting to stop taking our shit anymore?  Nothing we've learned from history is likely to apply anymore.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'ultimately, it'll make all of the money worth less and less'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'I've been waiting for the "green new deal" myself'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'the dollar is worth less and less anyways because of the rise of a global middle class'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'the solution is simple: raise taxes on the ultra-rich'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'other countries have increasingly more consumer power'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'how to tax  the rich without increasing the already-sky high levels of tax flight?'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The problem with (4) is it isn't quick enough to save the system.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you can't.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'by closing loopholes and increasing penalties for offences?'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'meh, most of the flight is in corporate tax'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'they'll just use our handy intl. laws to move their country of origin'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'In a situation where banks are generally deep into negative equity when using mark to market valuation, you can't just wait for things to get better in 2024'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'I think the political gridlock is prempting what really will help : more economic stimulus'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'Keynsians like krugman argue it the stimulus was far far too small'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'but the money for the stimulus has to come from somewhere'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'a turnaround will be great, but til then the bills have to be paid'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'not really gorsk, there are other countries with higher debt-gdp ratios who are doing fine'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'that's how counter-cylical policy works tho'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and if they can't, they come up with different ways to pass the costs on to the consumer.  Rates go up, and they're allowed to go up, because nobody wants to be part of the establishment that let critical necessities shut down.  How many of you would vote incumbant if you had to go without electricity for a few months while Congress and the utilities "negotiate a deal" that the local systems and the utilities couldn't get done?'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'oh, it won't start like that, i don't think. it'll start with social security and medicare'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'rates have been going up for forever already.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'remember we in part set up the intl system so corporations could dance around govt regulations, that's why the taxes can't really effectively move too much'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'but reagan/thatcher and everyone who followed set it up that way'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: '(including the democrats like clinton and yes obama)'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'ya, they all messed up'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'heh they're all neoliberal, as is a majority of economics policy makers'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'depends on your point of view.  they've done just fine for themselves.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'who's they? neoliberalism may encourage certain forms of growth, but everywhere it's been implemenented has seen soaring inequality in all sorts of measures'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'and that's industrialized countries as well as developing'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '1. New gold-based currency, 2. An end to interest rate manipulation (free market instead), 3. Moderate tariffs (5-10%) on foreign products, 4. Long-term balance of gov't budgets, 5. Gov't funded health care, 6. Stop the wars, 7. Tax reform (new, simpler system), also you need 8. New election and election finance system to make it possible for 1-7 to happen..'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'you want to move back to a pegged currency?'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'do you have any idea what that would do to the trade deficit?'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'gold-based currency...?'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Yes, I do'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'uhm increase it'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I have too many exams in this stuff not to :)'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '10% tariffs would remove most of the trade deficit.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'I agree, but wouldn't the imf have issues with those?'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'wouldn't they drive prices up?'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Tinada, nobody has enough resources of any kind to maintain even a majority of our current existence.  Wars will be a necessity, because people like Ghaddafi and Kim already know the value of commodities.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'screw the imf, claim it's an environmental thing'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'lol'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'hay wats going on in here?'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'and the suppliers would wind up passing the cost on to the consumers, wouldn't they?'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'so the price of improted goods would simply increase by at least 10%'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'screw the imf, just pay attention to your customers.  Would YOU stick with a company that just became %10 more expensive if there were cheaper alternatives?'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'to an extent, but us consumer demand is nothing to dismiss'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'the problem i see with this is that those on the bottom, the ones barely getting by, are going to be in major trouble'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they are never anything else but in major trouble.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'this is why they are on the bottom.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'yes... but if they're barely getting by and the price of stuff goes up 10%, they'll go under'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'uhm I take major issue with that statement dokkar as a professiona lsociologist'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'dokkar, it's flat out wrong in the aggregrate'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'i don't think that "screw the poor" as a solution to this economic crisis'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'bleh, sentence started one way and ended another'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'not to be contrary, but that's what has been done every other time.  not saying it's right, but there you have it.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'the poor don't pay their lobbyists very well.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'that cannot save the situation now, the lower 40% of the population doesn't have enough wealth to touch the deficit'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'if a second great depression hits, the poor might get somewhat upset that the wealthy are eating caviar on their yachts while they can't afford to buy spam at the dollar store'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'not likely to happen'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'you're assuming the deficit needs to be touched.  this is a game of musical chairs.  they just need the music to start again, so that everyone forgets about the deficit.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Based on typical wage component in industrial products, the 10% tariff would move a lot of jobs back to the us and these would presumably be traditional middle class jobs like they used to be. Apart from that, imports would also fall a bit from the price increase.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the next depression is going to be triggered by some sort of natural disaster or some nebulous grand mal manmade thing like global warming.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'I agree with tinada and would add that it should be backed by a new industrial policy'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'at the moment it seems like undercapitalized banks and oecd sovereign debts combined with retiring baby boomers are a greater threat than global warming or planet X'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'well, that and the general relative gain of the rest of the world economically'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'don't underestimate the threat of planet x'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brome: 'off'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Planet X doesn't exist.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'nice try Brome, but you cannot escape us'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'An interesting point. If, for instance you really believe in green energy, shuffle some billions into the research, and link conditions that production stay in the us'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'china/india and parts of africa have large and growing middle classes'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'right, I agree tinada, green industrial policy'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'or rather, Nemesis only exists as a Gene Roddenberry concept.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'it's obvious to everyone save politicians'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods at Ctrl-Alt- Deltron.
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'good quote - "democracy is the art of running the circus from inside the monkey cage"'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'saving politicians is not an obvious conclusion to anything happening in either the real world or in Washington specifically.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'who's that by? :)'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'hl mencken, gorsk'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'would've guessed Barnum, myself'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'can I just say this is perhaps the first civil and intelligent conversation I've had on this channel. Makes me happy'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Gorsk grins evilly.
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you should keep the channel turned on more'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'My problem is I like talking too much, I might spam everyone out of talking lol'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'i think the debate is over and we all agree with tinada :)'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada jumps up onto a table and shrieks 'EEEEEEEK!'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'lol'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'so, i'm gonna go have a smoke'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'I think the hard question is whether we need to revise the constitution or not - enjoy that one :)'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'there's a lot of con law profs who argue we need to'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'the constitution's not the part that's broken.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'anywho, we could trim $13 trillion in real savings from the national debt by tomorrow, and have a plan to pay off the last trillion over the course of the next three administrations with guaranteed surplus after that, and the bottom  still might not survive.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'oh really, the necessity of congress passing the debt ceiling is in the constitution'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'sure.  which if congress were filled with adults and not children would not be a problem.  not the constitution's fault.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'right, but that's not changing anytime soon'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'I think we should at least change open campaign finance law and term limits to national referendums'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'but thats me talking crazy'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The entire debt ceiling thing is strange, since when congress passes a budget, they also effectively approve of any related debt.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'although it's been a while since they passed a budget, I think'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the debt ceiling is there to prevent Congress from taking on debt without reason.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'and look how effective that is :P'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Congress just hasn't quite learn the elegant art of "fuck off and die", so whenever they need more money they just raise the ceiling.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If you removed the debt ceiling, what difference would it make, apart from losing some filibuster opportunities?'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'probably not politically "sellable" at the moment in terms of changing it - any libertarians would lose their mind i would think'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you really think after this near-default that debt ceiling changes would ever be sellable?'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Entirely possible! However, if you have the majority to pass a budget which says you should spend more than you earn, then that majority can't very well vote against their own budget, so I think the real difference is in political theatre.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'not without obama doing an hour long special so people may actually understand the economics behind the policies he wanted to do'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the debt ceiling is Crongress's version of the Fed money-press.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'but obama's econ advisors are the same as bush jr.'s, to wit'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'it's an intellectual school of thought which has achieved hegemony in both academic econ and econ policy'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'that's the idea-level root of the problem I argue'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that was a bit unclear, I meant that removing the debt ceiling might be unsellable'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Denmark has some sort of debt ceiling, and the US, but the rest of OECD does not, afaik.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the difference between having it and not is that it dupes the constituency into thinking there's an independant limiting-factor in play that allows them to relax their diligence over Crongress.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'well, we need to figure it out soon. the US is going to have even more issues in the years ahead because of demography'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the same principles are in operation in the consumer sphere right now, as companies try to figure out ways to pass rising costs on to the consumer without causing them to flee to the cheaper competitor.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'which itself is a reason to encourage immigration hehe'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'I agree dokkar, obama couldn't even get that consumer protection agency off the ground'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'totally unrelated to what I was saying.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'ok... I'm suggesting the climate in US politics is generally as you say'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'e.g. not consumer friendly'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'see, a company can't just go around raising their prices for stuff even with a valid and understandable reason for it.  Nobody wants to pay more for something than they have to, but if the consumer believes something is a good enough deal they won't care a bit about the increase.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'the government can provide subsidies however, as they often do in recessions.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'protectionism (or at least a hint of it) may be needed in short-term'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'I think if unemployment can be brought down, then perhaps the politics as you point out may not be so.. virulent'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'nah, Crongress has far too big a reputation and far too slow a repair mechanism.  It'll be at least until the next decade, assuming a total incumbant wipeout that doesn't lead to what turns out to be more of the same, for the taint to be removed.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'I agree with the timeframe, and would add the paradigm shift that needs to occur to, but that's american politics'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'a strange mix of modern and premodern ideas imo'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the staggered congressional class system needs to be flattened into one term.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'but constant turnover is not good - democracy is built on the alliances needded for legislation'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'i guess it's a fine line betwee inefficient and preventing the oligarchy hehe'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we have constant turnover anyways.  I'm just saying that when it's time to elect representatives and senators, the whole of both houses should be up for election instead of just a third at a time.'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'interesting. I'm for term limits myself, being from the home state of Mitch McConnell'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'term limits are entirely something else'
T3/r4/2011-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ctrl-Alt- Deltron: 'I understand that'
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'lol, FEMA is in worse shape than Medicare.  We're gonna have a stimulus package just for fixing natural disasters.'
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'things that are no longer at all made in the USA: flatware, sardines (cannery), coat hangers, button-down shirts.'
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'what is flatware?'
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'knives, forks spoons'
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the entire town of Empire, Nevada is also gone (a town dedicated to sheet-rock manufacture.)'
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'where are they making sheetrock now?'
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they probably still make it here, but there's a lot of it from overseas.'
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'all the import stuff is full of asbestos, too, so natural disasters (ie, Hurricane Irene) will cause far more problems.'
T3/r4/2011-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'heh, i cant wait to get rid of this plaster in my house for drywall though...its a pain to repair'
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Congress needs a raise.  They're living paycheck to paycheck, they can't pay their bills, and they're getting shot up.'
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'one Congressman, formerly a funeral-home business owner from Panama City, made $90k/year doing that and feels he's earning less as a Congressman making $174k/year.'
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'I'm tired of hearing about how stupid politicians are'
T3/r4/2011-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I'm not.  The riots haven't really started yet, so there's a lot more "stupid" to come out of politicians yet.'
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what do you figure of shows like psychic investigators, where they have seemingly real murder trial's and missing people reports being solved by a person who never met the people through their minds?'
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'bullshit'
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'mostly hokum'
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i seen one where they find a louisiana serial killer from hawaii, and another where they find a heroine addict in new jersey who was made to appear as a suicide in a garbage dump by her friends cause if you give drugs to peeps there and they die you can be cahrged for murder (unless it's something like celexia)'
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that is a strange law'
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'Hey, it's TV, right? It's all staged anyway.'
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's because there's always semen all over the place'
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people take those prescribed drugs and die quite often, and the doc's aren't charged for it'
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if somebody takes a shot of your heroine though, even if it's not rigged for homicide, and dies, you can go to jail for life in new jersey'
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'ill diagnosis in both cases, but only one is guilty'
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'could be staged, but i looked up the records on the louisiana serial killer and detectives involved, which all lined up from american news websites'
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the way they showed the video, the woman could be astral projecting herself into your room lookin at your back right now, lol'
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'are quantun computers hokum'
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'are quantum computers hokum'
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'those're used in dna research in universities and stuff'
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they say'
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'however they wire their logic different than these'
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not hokum, just not reliable yet'
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they're theoretical at this stage'
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a godlike calculater in the quantum states of subatomic particles seems like hokum'
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they say they found the black plague cause 10 years ago, but just today say they found it again, i wonder who's more accurate - they apparently keep these virus's all alive in maximum security laboratories, which isn't too comforting considering movies like 12 monkeys'
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'who said anything about a godlike calculator?'
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the hype on quantum computers "yet to come" reads like "godlike calculators"'
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so if yellowstone goes up in smoke, do you figure it'll maybe be undramatic, kind of like the constantly spewing volcanoes in ethiopea?'
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the hype on everything reads godlike, that's why it's hype'
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and maybe the geophysicists are maximzing the hundreds of thousands of square kilometres of volcanic debris and worldwide death in order to make their positions among people sold in gold?'
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you need me man, this thing could go at any moment and i'm possibly your only hope'
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's one possibility that occurs to me, he could sell a snowcone to an eskimo'
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if it is like they say, i'll probably drive as far north as i can once i see it coming from the south'
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'after stopping by the liquor store and sneaking out with a cache of armaments for the road'
T3/r4/2011-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Any of you europeans out there have debit cards ?'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I am not stating that SNR can't ever approach zero. I'm saying that one can find patterns in anything provided you look hard enough. You are providing a false definition of 'signal'.'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Noise is 'data that is not what I'm looking for'.'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rascally Ryke walks around in the room, looking very confused.
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'I don't think anyone is debating you, Morinon'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'therefore, I shall'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'You're wrong.'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'It's moved from another channel.'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'No, it isn't.'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'That's not debate, that's denial.'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'yes it is.'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'You're right, it is denial.'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'No, it isn't.'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon pats Githerax on his head.
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rascally Ryke looks around for Curly.
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Githerax smiles happily.
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Fifteen months after BP's crippled Macondo Well in the Gulf of Mexico caused the worst environmental disaster in US history, oil and oil sheen covering several square miles of water are surfacing not far from BP's well.  http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2011/09/201191163236563698.html  BP, whose Macondo well gushed at least 4.9 million barrels of crude oil into the Gulf of Mexico after the Deepwater Horizon rig exploded and sank to the bottom, has denied that the oil is coming from their well.'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'I wonder what they are thinking, the whole thing's a hollywood ploy, maybe somebody dumped some oil plume's near it to make it look like it was BP's spill'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'would have been better to sell those 5 million barrels of oil....what a waste :('
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people pointed out a environmentally friendly way they could have possibly sponged the majority of it up, or all, and then still made money from it'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they took tankers out there and sucked up ocean water with the oil'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they might be doing that right now, but if it just disappeared and it wasn't there's, that'd be theft, lol'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, I went out with my boat and scooped up 5 55 gallon barrels of it, my oil house heater is using it.'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'international waters, hmm, i think that's in america's territory'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'really'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'well that's pretty neat that you helped them clean it up and got some free fuel too'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they don't give coordinates here of where exactly it is, but their website might have it at On Wings of Care'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think the reason they used the dispersant was cause the cost and time of using oil tankers to suck it up would have been too much'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe they could make a mandate requiring oil companies have enough cleanup potential for any of their operations possible consequences before they're allowed to take them on'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'd think that'd be fully supported by the greedy tycouns with bottomless bank accounts, they'd have no competition since they're the only ones who could afford it'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you know what's kind of messed up, is how metals rust and where there was once millions of tonnes of rock containing the pressure within those vacantly capped oil well's, there's now a little cap, and they don't seem to have any desire to replace that rock formation anyhow'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'little surge, pop, and if that proves more resistant than going around the pipe chiselling it's way up then there's a big hole there like they're saying 'The most troubling possibility is that the oil is leaking out of the ground beneath the capped wellhead, a situation that could be impossible to stop.'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like their explaination of volcanoes sort of, the way the magma seeps up in a bubble and puts pressure on the surface till it blows a gasket, usually nice and distributed beneath the continental plates'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i read one british article where they're touring american river's that they drilled oil from, and observed a boat smack into one wellhead, which was quickly recapped, and observed a abandoned well owned by a nonexistant corporation that's constantly leaking natural gas into the river'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or methane maygbe'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'smacking it caused oil to plume up'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, lets open that sucker back up and get some oil !'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil fields do refill up over time. :p'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'are we talking about the bp spill?'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil supply isnt the problem, pressure is.'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some places where they're pumping the gas shit after refining oil after doing that, the entire water table tastes like farts'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the gas just seems to leak through where they sucked the oil from and poison the water'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what kind of gas is this?'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and people think bottled water is great'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i seen it on the news, i don't remember'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'methane or whatever comes with oil, like we have some water and air, oil has some kind of air on top of it'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the air they blow back into the oil wells and that seeps into water tables and makes all water taste like farts'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'methane and natural gas are odorless...'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you're every around weyburn or swift current, stop by a local farm and have a drink'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'chicken shit isnt odorless :P'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'water wasn't poisoned until oil came around'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or bullshit for that matter.'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now all water is death'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh man, riz, I've been around egg farms...man that's nasty smell'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'turky farms are nasty too i don't mind cattle so much'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, try driving on a road near an industrial pig farm....then drive near one that has a methane capture system and produces its own power....air as clean as the rocky mountains.'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'methane capture system's aren't on all of them'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'right, that's why he said to contrast the two'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're pumping the gas into the wells where there used to be oil and it has no reason to stay where it is then somehow gets into the water tables'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they want oil and natural gas, whatever fart fumes are the waste gas is what they place there'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or they're intentionally making it smell, specifically as a method of leak detection...'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'could it actually be sulfer?'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as that's the reason that most people think natural gas & methane smell...we add odors ot them so people aren't killed by leaks in homes'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's some kind of shit, i seen it on the news and compared it to what i heard about the water there, some people complained and others didn't'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'people complaining doesn't mean it's some kind of shit...'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and fish with worms in their necks don't indicate bad agricultural and waste management systems'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and seeing it on "the news" is still not a cite on what it actually is'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're just naturally wormed fish, it's a codependent evolution swiming around searching for your hook'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i caught one of those before and hacked off its head with a shovel'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'really makes you wonder if nature will exist in 20 years'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daagar: 'Nature, yes. Us, questionable.'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'did you feel safer after you hacked off its head?'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no, i was checking for the parasitic worms under its gills'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'had a head full of them'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it was a living fish, until i hacked off its head, then it was a dead fish with living worms in its neck'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if that happens here , i imagine it happens all over'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what're you going to do when all your food is covered within and without by parasite worms'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and you have billions of good and bad bacteria crawling all over you right now.'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daagar: 'lose weight'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's industrial evolution, the next step'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you shoot a deer in saskatchewan now, you're warned against eating its meat cause it's host to numerous contagions'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the evolution has reached mammals'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that happened a long, long time ago.  Kinda why we're here in the first place.'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they just might get some of their unedibility from the water supply'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, fresh venison.....love that stuff.'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'fish don't have bottled water like people'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they piss in the water they drink'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'fish urine is probably consumed by algae'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'though if the water is moving it is filtered by rocks and sand and such'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I doubt it.  Ever tasted lake water?'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just saying, we didn't see nothing is kind of funny for people who exist off of the world resources, maybe it's like an elaborate suicide bomber world leader'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'except instead of spontanious explosion, he's murdering the world he eats'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'i find it all kinda cynical'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the industrial jesus'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it is, but most of it's actually happening'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I grow my own meat in a meat generator that I bought from Walmart in 2028.'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in 18 years i seen one lake turn from a clean lake, connected to 5-6 others, into a death lake that nobody can eat the fish of'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'any world leader who professes wanting to go to heaven, should ask themself why they make the world look like hell and support those who do full on - why would god let those people into heaven to molest whatever unugly image exists in his head?'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it occurs to anybody who thinks of life and death'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Why bring religion into all this?'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'world leader deathmatch on spike tv'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'godwin's law'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Uhhh what was Godwin's Law again?'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'any arguement will deteriorate into religion'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'I think it was something else, though.'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daagar: 'No, Godwin is making a nazi reference, isn't it?'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'godwin knew god as not existing and therefore observed the world of genocided people as inferior's who lacked the wisdom of the godwin'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in his own mind, he was a god'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but he liked sugar plums and pussy cakes'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and he decided that spreading cancer was the answer to cervical justice'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they just didn't have the instruments we had now to see that cancer exists in such proportions 200 years ago as it does today'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there is no real record of cancer cases versus tuberculosis from 1900-2011'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but if you put a covering on a bowl of rotting meat, maggots don't appear'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so you see that about sums godwin up for me, enjoying the spice of life and giving everybody mental cancer with his idiot views from his high rise life'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what a paradise he forseen for his children'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Whatever this mental cancer is, it seems like you have it.'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'meat slave's being eaten by masticides'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'everybody has cancer on the mind, donations to cancer research might combat the oil industry'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'did you hear that they might've found a cure?'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they spread causes of cancer that people're born into, versus practices people do to deserve cancer'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'I have one, it's something like #gag Druzil'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'cure for cancer'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'being a atheist really pays off while you're suckin the sugar your children won't have the taste buds to enjoy'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or taste bugs'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the kingdom of heaven's just around the coroner'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'it's a virus that targets cancer cells and isn't rejected by the body'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'heard about it on the news yesterday'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's fine, progress'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I heard it a few weeks ago.'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '7 years down the road they might have something, or a reason why hope was lost'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'they already did human trials and it seems to be working'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think that's pretty good, but i think not enough is being done to address the issue of why the environment is being constantly rigged to give people cancer in the first place'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's like shooting a hole in a roof and selectively giving people in a house an umbrella'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the "virus" is basically a copy of your normal DNA and it has receptors unique to the cancerous version.'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'whatever it is, i hope it works. i've known people who died of cancer and it'd be nice if no one has to go through that'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'me too, good people'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or good as far as people go'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some people never smoke and get cancer when they're 2 years old'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they're doing something similar using proteins with other diseases like AIDS.  They pump you up with these proteins that lock up target cells in your body so that the disease agents can't attach to them.'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'essentially, they're turning the round hole into a square one.'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'are they natural carcinogens they're encountering, or food additives, water additives, atmospheric enforcement's by the industry, negligence by the people who plan and reject alternative means of acheiving the same result, etc'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'HIV to target cancer cells?'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'actual acts of planned malevolency that people who are trusted to protect their citizen's from are looking to them for answers to, but are being betrayed anyway'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'hehe, awesome skim job, Tru'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'I have to.'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Druzil's on.'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i see alot of signs that it is planned, and because people trust people in power to tell them they're doing everything in their power to change, don't blame the people who are causing it'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'script him invisible.'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'But it's in response to him that you started this protein thing.'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they planned entire nation's and governments, installed them in places, planned man-made river system's and how to develop deserts into fertile habitat, why couldn't they do the opposite and plan something like the world's destruction?'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so, if group of people like that are planning some development projects that result in total death for humanity, i think they must have some faith in a god that godwin might have shared'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cause there's nothing living after awhile'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that means they think some spirituality exists to monitor their robots'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people will destroy themselves is a motto shared by alot of the members of generations born in the 50's - 70's'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people born in the 80's - current are taught that those other one's don't share that motto'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'which motto?  "Let it be"?'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people will destroy themselves'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that's not a motto...'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's suicide, but there's also death of the environment and whatever stability the life on earth has existed in since time began'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i know for a fact that nature is more valuable than gold, and without it, if you don't have a soul you might not even have the chance to go insane'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but world leaders always choose gold over nature, and so do greedy representatives of the people they either ask for permission or take from by force'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who're they hoarding treasure from, in their environmental bodies?'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're going to be dead long before it changes form'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's not going to save them from hell'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nature means so much compared to not using and spending the extra 50 million unemployed human resources on developing alternative energy methods, that they have to install 11 oil rigs surrounding the one that fucked up last year'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it costs money they say, the material's are all there but how can we fuel the robots to put them together'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how about hiring some people'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's unfeasible, we need a genocide'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's obvious where this planet's going, and if they haven't already found another one to float to, the survival of proven life itself might not really exist'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'more of godwin's law shown from the atheist logic'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dokkar takes on an Irish accent and goes "It might, rabbit, it might."
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the dead sea scrolls have a book of revelation by mary magdelene or the gospel according to'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that might be their spirituality, holding up their master from the cycle of jain life and death while they take their place in the death kingdom'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'satanism is based on a similar concept'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some of it'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no life, no chance of being reborn inferior'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'marvellous'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the world leaders have a strong faith , no less zealous in death than a suicide bombers last breath'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they're not being held hostage that is'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheb: 'have fun, enjoy this world while helping everyone around you do the same..'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheb: 'the rest follows'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'pretending a mortal wound doesn't exist, doesn't address why it gets cut deeper every day'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hell, mortality might be a wound itself'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: ''by one man death entered into the world', and 'god made them coats of skin', everything made of flesh dies, i wonder if the covering he gave them after eating the satan's temptation was how it all started'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'more on line with the dead sea scrolls and the selfless suicidal nature of world politics'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'gotta be a pretty important guy to meet in private with all the world leaders, and even prevent the execution in some nation at war with your religion by their leader, like iran'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who knows what goes on in the country in a country'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Druzil, are you skitzofrantic?'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheb: 'a little bit me thinks'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daagar: 'Nice spelling of that :)'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the pope claims to hear god'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'doesn't he?'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'll be my own spiritual leader and call insanity a hard learned lesson in life'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'technically no.  He just doesn't discourage the belief that he does.'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do you think i'm sitting here?  i could be a program i wrote for you to reflect upon'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that takes some faith on your part'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you see people who aren't there is one definition of schizophrenia'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but i can see their typing and hear their voice or see their video image'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'such programs are not easily obtained nor written by someone asking questions about how to program in a beginner's language like C.'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so in your mind is a little bit of schizophrenia'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you are, in fact, there, and we all know why.'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do you think what i think for me and try to crack the riddle of which mental disease i have, relative to your constrained knowledge of each?'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe those each seeped into your mental facilities without your understanding and you're missing a new one'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheb: 'most preachers do. Bush did..Anyway dude, you're thinking about these issues way too much. Get out, love life, drink, smoke, have sex. As long as youbdo those things in love and spread love, god will love you and can't deny you into heaven(if there is one). Don't fear death, don't take life too seriously. It's too short.'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Vanity, it's my favorite sin.'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'exactly, life is short, is not remembered before it exists and doesn't know what follows'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so what's the point in enjoying a moment of future nonexistant peace'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i have lots of that before and after i was'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'aside from humans, there's at least one species of animal that can recognize a predator it's never seen before.'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'experimenting on timber wolves is just oh so interesting, don't you agree?'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if world governments didn't ignore alternatives to destructive practices and balanced things to their understandable means, then there'd be no problem with them'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheb: 'exactly! Then enjoy now! Don't give fuckin no life politicians so much respect by fearing them. Laugh in thier faces and do what you can to laugh everydau. Fuck the rest, it doesn't matter.'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's not the way it is'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'politicians don't even try to resolve issues without war, unless one or both sides has nuclear weapons'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or biological / chemical warfare which they haven't used in obvious purposes since ww1'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Iraq-Iran War of 1980...'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mustard gas?'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheb: 'in my life it is. I work in a hospital helping people get better then come home and have fin. If a nuke is falling on my head I'll close my eyes and hope it doesn't hurt, but at least I had fun before it hits me.'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'what did you think chemical weapons were?'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but you don't see them using them against america or canada, in obvious proportions, or other upper-scale on the global ladder nations'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheb: 'dude, I've done acid, I've been where ypu sre. Searching the truth. Its a dark place and it sucks. But you gotta look up and say "fuck it?'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not obviously is what i'm saying, what i said before is how they're not so obviously still being used today'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in 1930 you could still have a drink of water with your horse from a groundwater slough'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'actually, revelations were recently uncovered that showed the US government was guinea-pigging the populace without notice as recently as the 1970s.'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's not the case anywhere today, except maybe some remote mountain's'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'otherwise you get your guts eaten by parasites'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that seems like a ultimate form of biological warfare and terrorism'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'to me'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'my surname is similar to a biological agent experimentation farm and mental warfare training facility through covers of asylum in the 1930's'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't believe much in random chance, so that makes me think that probably my life is a government experiment'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe i was a descendent of prisoner of war'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheb: 'ya dude. Thats called schizophrenia or psychosis.'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's called drawing conclusions from real evidence'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'within a world of liars who will do anything in their power to keep the truth from me'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'using installed thinking patterns they taught to me since birth'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'schizophrenia isn't even understood by doctors'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if it was those doctors wouldn't attend funerals and let a priest chant words to a imaginary friend'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'more drawing of conclusions, i do that alot sometimes'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it was based on real negatory evidence, cause doctors never attend funerals with last rites'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sheb: 'no. Its a defect, but you can control ot withot medicine through training. categorize your thoughts into negative and positive. and any time yoi think of a negative thought automatically switch to something positive. After a while everything will seem brighter and you will enjoy your short time on earth. Just a tip, take it or don't, I don't know you and you don't know me, but I've had PTSD and know where you are at..Look up existential therapy.'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'psychiatrists should attend funerals and explain to those gathered that god doesn't really exist and is only a common schizophrenic pal shared among their faith that the buried might somehow live on'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the memory remains until you acheive dementia, death or alzheimers, tell them'
T3/r4/2011-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hell, you might even have imagined their entire existance, i see no dead man'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'did edmuend freud every have a dream in which he was absolutely alone?'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mooend'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'you mean sigmund?'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'poor ol schizo, didn't even analyze his illness'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, just saying, he says they're not really there'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'who isn't?'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'whatever is dreamt'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he hypnotized his female patients to discover what their characters represented, and based them as misinterpreted memories tied into memories of others, but still, they're not alone during this process'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i see another schizophrenic attribute in people now where they kind of require it to remain sane'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'i had a dream two nights ago that i was fighting nazis. i don't think there were any nazis in my bedroom...'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i was lucid dreaming earlier tonight when a read and white flag with a swastika appeared above my bed and reflected through my mirror'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe it was related to what someone here thinks i am'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or what i discussed earlier, i was awake the whole time though'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and there's no flag there'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i see flags that aren't even there, i must be a true patriot'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or you know, that's what you think'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'the brain does regurgitate images it has recently seen and ideas it has recently been occupied with. i don't believe there's anything more to read into it than that.'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's true, definitely'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but i don't like how psychiatry and psychology is against any concept of divination or original experience through dream's, or even communication with beings the subconscious mind has no formula to come up with'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm open minded to all of that, and have tried to figure out all kinds of madness on my own'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not an atheist, or a nazi, or a sympathizer with any racists except maybe from attempting to see things how they might see things'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'i think psychology attempts to take a scientific approach to things... in a way... thus: if it can't be proven, it doesn't exist'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's not schizophrenia in my opinion, that's philosophy to me, stuff that matters to understand the world better'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'i think i understand racism'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i typically don't write my own theory or idea's as absolute's, because i see there's always room for error or refinement'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'the way i see it is: 1. I am a good person.   2. You are different from me.   3. You must therefore not be a good person.'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'when i mock something, it's not because i think it's powerless or because i disrespect every aspect it could be considered from, like some things i read in the bible can swing maybe two ways'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and i sometimes speak like what i think might be hopefully not going through peoples minds while they commit horrendous actions'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or putting on their attitudes to draw them out, as worked a few times with people on yahoo chat'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i met some pretty scary people'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'by being one of them somewhat, if i see an attitude prevailant somewhere in the world, how i see that attitude, i will come onto here maybe to test out how people receive it'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'it's the separation between themselves and others that lets them perform horrendous acts. if they see the separation as being large enough, they can disassociate their victims humanity from their victims'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's sort of like verifying to myself that i'm not the only one who doesn't like that kind of personality, or those kind of action's, by making others think even for a moment, that i might be like what they hate'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but i'm none of those things in reality, i just think alot'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, separation from their own bodies and inner selves and other's bodies and inner selves'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'not exactly what i meant...'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as though other's are nothing like them in the least'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's projective hatred as well, where their mind will judge something they hated and remember or visualize or see, maybe a perceived injustice or eye for an eye on themselves, and place that into somebody else'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that kind of temptation probably comes to countless people'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'other's might think of life as a meat-grinder and consider homicide a fact they have to deal with, and learning a little more each time'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the soldiers who conduct genocide on other people must have something going through their minds, what was it hitler taught them, or stalin taught them?'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'well, i can't speak for most. but i do know the experiences i had. and for the most part i think that racism thrives in a climate of ignorance and fear'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or pol pot even, they must all have had something on their minds'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'was it all about protecting their countries?'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'initially, probably. but then, things got out of hand'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't see what much killing civilians has to do with protecting your country from soldiers, for instance, so that doesn't seem to be it'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'it depends on what the perception of the threat i'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'is'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'for instance, if i invade militarily, that's one thing. what if i instead decide to subvert your people to my will? is that an invasion?'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they took all of the money spent on warfare in a year, and built things instead of destroying them, how big of an issue would population be if people had what they needed around the world and grew some sense of morality'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's got to be enough land in the world to grow enough food for people that exist, and if they can successfully demoralize the entire world like they have, they should also be able to do the opposite'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'it's much easier to break something than to make/fix it'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'subversion happens every time you turn on the tv maybe, people selling idea's that are on your memory, false or not'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'install enough of those and you have some connecting of dot's to come to conclusions, maybe that's possible'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'the trick is to analyze ideas critically and not to swallow them hook line and sinker'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'i'm not saying that that'll always work, but it helps'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what i think'd be alright as far as media censorship, is if citizen's and not selected citizen's to represent citizens (cause this results in whatever you call when you buy people to do what you want), and then they can decide what should be on their local television, or taught about goins on in the world - china does this with the internet i think'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but that's a different kind of example, as speaking your mind there can result in death'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'but how would that work?'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or skipping media censorship, everybody should be able to have their products advertised if they're deemed decent by a community, shouldn't they?'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's another bargaining table '
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'how would citizens decide?'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'would there be a nightly vote?'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'and how would i be able to avoid seeing things that i don't want to see if there's absolutely no controls?'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, so media censorship doesn't work well'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how about local television and radio stations?'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'that's not what i mean'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'ok, let's say there's someone who wants to give sexuality a greater role in society'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'so he makes reports on graphically sexual situations'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'how wouls i, assuming i want to, stop those from being piped into my home if there's no censorship at all and i get to decide completely?'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'would->would'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's sex involved in nearly every movie, television show and commercial on tv, either explicitly or as a planned side effect'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'ack'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they find sexual identity and subliminal messages in disney cartoons even'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'yes, there is. but i don't necessarily want my 5yo watching pornographic scenes'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'me either'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'so there should be some censorship?'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'when they learn how to use the internet though, how you gonna keep that from them?'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or when they go to school and somebody shows them something'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some censorship plays some more parts there, it's imperfect but it does make some sense'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'the devil's in the details'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'as such how it works now is: we broadcast things that are acceptable to the vast majority'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'can google analyze every image on the internet for sexual explicit material or mature subject matter?'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'and if i want to teach my family/friends something different, that's on me'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'perhaps it's not a perfect solution, but i can't think of a better one'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they could public computer's and home user's could sign up to filter that out, maybe unless given a encrypted password to the google engine with some unique identifyer installed on your computer'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the internet's the biggest smut machine i ever seen'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'they can do that'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'when i was a kid growing up in fort macmurray they had a tiny curtained section in the rental store where adult films were stored, and there was 4 tiny walls'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there were also bums and needles on the streets, but it sure wasn't like it is today'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'i remember those :)'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'the curtained sections, i mean'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'haven't been in a video rental store in forever, now'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'me either'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'they're all closing'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'blockbuster shutting down 250 or so in canada'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'video game rentals might sting though'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'gonna have to give that to local businesses'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'it's all online now'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they have some antipiracy features against burning ps3/xbox disks don't they?'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'in theory...'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'back when they were in cartriges like NES or sega they needed a special rig to copy them'
T3/r4/2011-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'those were ridiculous to copy'
T3/r4/2011-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'I think it's ridiculous that people can sue if honey contains traces of genetically-modified pollen.'
T3/r4/2011-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'uh'
T3/r4/2011-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Or if produced from genetically-modified pollen, I mean.'
T3/r4/2011-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'source?'
T3/r4/2011-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'scientist are really genetically modifying pollen?'
T3/r4/2011-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'German news television, watching it now.'
T3/r4/2011-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'there's a lot of things you can sue for, but winning is something else'
T3/r4/2011-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they're GMing more than you think.'
T3/r4/2011-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'No Ehnsomnyak, pollen from genetically-modified corn.'
T3/r4/2011-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'apparently, seems like a waste of time'
T3/r4/2011-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'ahh, that adds up'
T3/r4/2011-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'But I think it's absurd.'
T3/r4/2011-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'next we'll be hearing about the guy who's suing because his food was organic.'
T3/r4/2011-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'lol'
T3/r4/2011-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Heh.'
T3/r4/2011-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dagfib: 'only beef from cows grown in a vat of bgh and antibiotics for me plz'
T3/r4/2011-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Mmm... test tube beef. Nom.'
T3/r4/2011-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'No killing cows for meat.'
T3/r4/2011-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'horsemeat needs to be re-allowed.  Because of the ban on horse slaughter, we now have a distinct problem with horses kept in inhumane conditions.'
T3/r4/2011-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'move to iceland'
T3/r4/2011-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, if I wanted to smell rotten eggs on a frequent basis I could just move down to Lemay or even go across the country to the Yellowstone area.'
T3/r4/2011-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'read about the idiot kid fired from gamestop for planking?'
T3/r4/2011-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'What's this nonsense about planking?'
T3/r4/2011-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'err, planking?'
T3/r4/2011-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'google it'
T3/r4/2011-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'I know what it is, but why?'
T3/r4/2011-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'because'
T3/r4/2011-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'give us the cliffnotes version'
T3/r4/2011-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Just because you can?'
T3/r4/2011-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: '"endangering" himself and merch, and time-theft'
T3/r4/2011-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Planking'
T3/r4/2011-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'No, planking in general, not why he was fired.'
T3/r4/2011-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kalsch: 'as the generation known as the hipsters run out of douche bag things to do, they need to invent new ways to tell society they will not conform to its normalities'
T3/r4/2011-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kalsch: '(planking theory 101)'
T3/r4/2011-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'basically, you lay stiff as a board on something random, and take a picture'
T3/r4/2011-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'a few people have died doing this on top of buildings and such'
T3/r4/2011-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'why'd he get fired?  Did he try to plank a kid?'
T3/r4/2011-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I planked your mom last night in a Gamestop. But then I got fired.'
T3/r4/2011-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'l'
T3/r4/2011-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'late, lol'
T3/r4/2011-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Hey, look. This channel.'
T3/r4/2011-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unplugged Abradix: 'Isn't this where Druzil says stuff nobody reads?'
T3/r4/2011-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Not lately'
T3/r4/2011-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unplugged Abradix: 'thank god for small miracle'
T3/r4/2011-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unplugged Abradix: 'plural'
T3/r4/2011-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Thank gods for small miracle?'
T3/r4/2011-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rascally Ryke looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r4/2011-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unplugged Abradix: 'Sho nuff. All hail the sun god!'
T3/r4/2011-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I wonder how the administration is going to create jobs while reducing the deficit'
T3/r4/2011-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or rather, I wonder what sort of weirdness they are going to come up with today :)'
T3/r4/2011-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'l'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'kissing a sibling on the lips passionately is not incest'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wink: 'but it's a step in the right direction?'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'is 2 gay brothers fucking each other in the ass considered incest?'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The incest to hotness scale is a good one to use - if your 5th cousin 3 times removed looks like Jabba the Hutt, it's incest.'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hahaha.'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If you are Miranda Kerr's brother however, it's ON LIKE DONKEY KING'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Donkey... king?'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Oh...kong*'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'donkey king!'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rizgoth meows hungrily at a flying donkey???!!! while begging for food.
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'It is now Donkey King forevermore.'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'Well I guess we know whose parents bought an Utari for christmas...'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Obama's job plan is "let's do over again most of the things that didn't help last time"?'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'some people just need to learn that maintaining a 5% unemployment rate isnt everything'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'anyone that thinks he's any better than bush doesn't know that much :P'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'we dont need to be worried about putting these lazy uneducated yesteryear workers back in the workforce, they are a drain and dont even have the disposable income to spur growth'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'You are stuck with the bottom 20% too, I think'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'due to them being citizens or somesuch'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'U3 stuck around 9% and U6 at 16% isn't exactly good though'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'i get it all day long workers looking for jobs with no skill sets or anything, where i can just get a college kid who ust worked hard and put him in the spot, pay less, and get better results'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The gov't can create some legitimate jobs by upgrading and maintaining infrastructure, it's strange that that wasn't started 3 years ago'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'why is that strange?'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'because it is relatively straightforward and the nation would benefit from it in the long run?'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'yeah but first you'd need a president that gave a shit'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'to be fair it takes time to plan and start those projects'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'american politics and economics boggle my mind'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'hah cause their not backed by anything anymore'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'their what?'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'at least the gov't debt is backed by Bernanke's printing press'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and the chinese, tinada'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'Obama is a good president man, he is at least active and trying, albeit misguided sometimes, but its very difficult once in the partisan bullshit on cap hill'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'good pres? he hasn't done shite'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'no?'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'my impression is that he's a gifted campaigner who turned into a mediocre president'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'tbh, he tried to get something done but eventually caved in because of the far-right loonies'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I rather question his understanding of the two big 'reforms' in health care and finance'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'he was groomed to be pres, what do you expect?'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'just another lackey like bush'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'these are the worst times in the economy most any of us have ever seen, at least in the GD our economy wanst based on pie in the sky economics.  Now we have to tackle 50 years of ignorance when it comes to our economy.  no onewould do a great job in this economy'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'obama has no plans to fix it'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If Obama (a) understands the problems and (b) primarily cares about the country, he should (c) talk about them, and he doesn't'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'he had a plan, but got bullied out of it, santher'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'its not lie the world revolves around by manufacturign jobs like in TGD, now everything is driven by small business who need ambitious people in that sector, and truthfuly many people in America are not as ambitious.  now the newer generation in college now will be much better'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'lol dag and i bet you think wwe is real too'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'it shouldnt be the presidents job to emply you santher, it should be each persons own job to employ themselves'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'i never said it was'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'give him a break, it's kind of hard to run a country when the other team is constantly sabotaging you and holding issues hostage'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'its just people are judging him on the jobs aspect of his duties, thats a minor role of the president, its not like he can just drop a gavel and make jobs.  He has done tons for the auto industry, mid size business, college students, (most attend local colleges for free), stadardizing loans for college kids, its a wicked insane time.'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'anyone i gotta find who has this damn ale now in sheilas so enough politics'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'use some punctuation, please'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If you know you can't create jobs, you might want to say that, instead of things like this stimulus will creat x million jobs :)'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'a good start would be start calling "job creators" "rich people" again and looking into other means'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'd start with fixing the education system'
T3/r4/2011-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Limunious agrees!
T3/r4/2011-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unplugged Abradix: 'Ron Paul is the biggest political tease ever... He's exactly what America needs, but he'll never get elected thanks to Faux News and MSNBS'
T3/r4/2011-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Fox news, the wrestling of the news world.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude dances wildly before you!
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'dance faster!'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'faster faster faster'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'That's what your mum said.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'btw do americans like or dislike obama?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ryke, his mum cant say that. she has no teeth'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rykker, i think he's not strong enough and congress can whip him around like a dishrag'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'we dont hear much of obama so i was just wondering'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'depends. some americans like him, some dont'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling, OVeR HERE'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Trurien invites Starling, to no avail.
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trurien yeah, i guess she doesnt understand the idea behind the channels'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'want to carry on without her?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'if you were in power you would cull people less fortunate than yourself?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Some people might.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'like hunting a species of a shark because it attacked a human '
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I would conscript the jobless trash into the military.  Make 'em useful somehow.  If they die, no problem, they died serving their country rather than draining it like a vampire.  If they live, no problem, hopefully they learned some discipline and/or skills.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'But it would probably cost more treating their psychological issues after coming back from the warfront, and they might rely even more on welfare then.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'the way i see it the armed forces are a privlege'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'By 'jobless trash' I mean 'people who refuse to be arsed to get a job and just sit on the couch, popping out babies occasionally', and not people who are jobless but are actively looking and just being thwarted by the bad economy.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Eh, if they went back on welfare, well, back to the military they go.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling, so your idea is that the military would benefit, from the sort of people you are describing?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'starling you have no respect for your countrys armed forces?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or is it that you want to sabotage our nation's defence and foreign policy by making the military accept unqualified applicants'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'I think all military forces should be replaced by a group of stern-looking people who frown at the enemy.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'lol!'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trurien , it worked for france in ww2'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'a long time ago, people in the us were given a choice for certain crimes: go to jail or join the army. and so the army had many criminals'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ohm yes. but at that time, we also wanted our armed forces to shoot and kill enemies'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and we were ok with the idea of our armed forces stealing enemy cars .'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'But they first had to be trained not to shoot and kill each other.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'well, if they took criminals, they can take welfare people no problem'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ohm who do you respect more, a man industrious enough to steal, or a man honest enough to beg?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'forcing people to join any armed force is an insult to those who earnt their right to be there'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'now thats deep vamp'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'People earn the right to kill other people?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rykker i used to find it insulting that homosexuals could avoid the draft while the rest of us might have to serve.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'real deep. '
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but now they can join ^_^ '
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'lol vd'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'trurien you dont earn the right to kill. you earn tbe right to help'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Help how?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The problem with that, Rykker, is that in having such a high standard we're killing off our best and brightest, while the trash sits and wallows.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Help how?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Sorry, casting halloweds :P'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling ah. so what you're suggesting is that we conscript all the people you want dead... and put them in harms way until they die'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Basically.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Korendir: 'cannon fodder?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling, that's not how the military does things. just like a construction site they try to minimize employee casualties'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'what you want instead... is a GULAG'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'isn't that what the military is?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'help other countries governments'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling but here's a better idea. these welfare people you hate... look at the actual spending. see if they get more or less money than the crews that tear up and rebuild your roads.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Redryn blinks innocently.
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'see if they get more or less than some of the spoils system cronies in the local government supply chain'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oh wait. that's too much effort. nevermind. hate the wrong people.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'countries that ask for our help so we send men and women to help them'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rykker yes, it's called the peace corps. thank eleanor roosevelt'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'you have to earn that right'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'also thank her for the reason the u.s. marines hang out around our embassies'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'At least road construction makes for better roads.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling ah, but that makes for more pollution!'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling do you prefer polluting the environment...?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I think I'd still rather see the trash be used for cannon fodder.  Roads need to be build by qualified people.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'vd youre against the military?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling so you're saying that a guy carrying a sign on the highway, SLOW!, is more skilled than a guy carrying a rifle in the army?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Korendir: 'weapons and such are so expensive, especially with the defence budget already so high'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Having children pollutes the environment too, shrug.  So hey, there's another benefit of sending them to die.  Less pollution.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Korendir: 'how do you equip all your 'cannon fodder''
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling why not just move to a country that has no welfare... '
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'let's call it... cuba.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'ok back to here'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Indeed.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'It's just ... Rykker keeps mischanning. And when I try to draw him back, everyone joins in on gossip :P'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'she can get a ticket out... via the pregnancy'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'so there is a gay pride event today in Savannah, and on the front opage of the paper and the savannahnow website there was an article about it, saying how families should go and bring their kids.  There was going to be a moonbounce and activites...'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oooh a moonbounce'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i love the way those things super-heat in sunlight and fry people'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'golly, u should read the replies on the website, its amazing'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'gay events and bring out the kids and family in the bible belt = bad news'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rykker no no thats just it. she literally can get a ticket back that way. remember jamie lynd from abu gharaib? she got herself knocked up to get out of there'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'by an arab guy?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you'll never know =)'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'i would instead force her to serve double her tour or military prison'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'thats the second thing ill never know now this morning'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'that military isnt for fun and wussies'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rykker uh. chair force?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'So women in the service who get pregnant should serve double their term?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: '9 months x2?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'thats not what i said'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Indeed.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'if its obvious they did it for a ticket home....'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'i think pregger chicks in the military is hot'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trurien imagine breast feeding if the baby was wearing mission oriented protective posture mask'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Korendir: 'what.. if a male soldier has sex, he just enjoys it... a female soldier has sex, she has to worry about serving double term? that's not the best idea i've heard..'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Hmm, how would you determine it's obvious, though?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'now that would be one hell of a girls gone wild'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'korendir don't worry, female enlistees prefer to fraternize with officers'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, she should just be on birth control and then she doesn't need to worry.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'omg'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Korendir: 'lol thats probably true'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'i didnt say that or imply it'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Loaf shitting is an entirely avoidable phenomenon, even in the military.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling birth control causes cancer, pulmonery embolism, folic acid imbalances during later pregnancies, and can screw with your period.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Rykker: seriously, just alias goss to debate already.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Korendir gasps as he realizes what (Friend) VampireDude did.
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It does not.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'are you really hoping to suggest that the us government dictate what a woman should do with her body?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'their is always other ways of having fun guys, remember when the river runs red, take the dirty road instead.  could make the girls have bs with officers instead of normal'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) High King Epicrandom: 'Does she need to go home?  What about a non-combat position?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If she's in the military, then yes.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'epicrandom 'go home' is subjective.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: ''maternity leave' would be 'go home but you might come back''
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You sign on in the military, you sign away certain freedoms, and IMHO one of those freedoms should be the right to loaf-shit until you get out.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling, the military is not the catholic church.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You're right.  It's the military.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'ZINGER there it is'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'lol'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'now we got the church involved'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'if you get preggers than you get moved. thats it. you shouldnt get to coast'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) High King Epicrandom: 'Yes starling, however, there should be certain rights for the pregnant, just not a get home free card.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And the 'catholic church' reference is just preposterous, because the church requires women to loaf-shit, not the opposite.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling, the nazis forcibly sterilized male and female jews, gays, and jehovas witnesses. the british chemically sterlized gays and cripples. in america. we sterilized the poor, the blacks, and people with genetic blindness'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm just saying that if a woman is in the military, she should be required to be on birth control and not loaf-shit until she gets out.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rykker nods at epicrandom
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'are you implying, that you want the government to sterlize soldiers?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'Starling: all this talk about loaf-shit is getting me hungry, can we go back to saying preggers pls?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, I'm saying I want them to be on birth control.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling, tell you what, you post that on a military themed blog, and i'll defer to their judgement'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Well, they definitely sterilize something other than hypodermic syringes in America.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Korendir: 'lol luminious'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) High King Epicrandom: 'Birth control their choice - but repercussions if they get pregnant.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Do what most sane countries do - keep your women off the front lines!'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'vakieh, do the israelis do that?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'and in the kitchens and bedrooms!'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Korendir: 'what if they WANT to be on the front line'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Or just stop waging wars altogether.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'sterilize soldiers? pffft'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'limunious some chicks (glance at starling) are not attractive enough for the bedroom.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Ranrr: that works too.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'ranrr, how will economys survive with no wars?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trurien my country, the us of a, hasnt declared a war in a long time'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'limunious that's easy... exepropriate wealth from the rich.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'But the wars you declare, oh my.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Hahaha, the ad hominem attacks come out.  Back to work for me :)'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it worked for the bolsheviks.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'the easy solution is more BS'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Korendir: 'just not out right :P'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'everyone is happy then'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling is too de-compensated to know a joke from an attack'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'afaik, the US has started at least 2 wars the last 10 years, probably more'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'yes lets all blame america because that will work'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: '2? Lol :-)'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so what do you guys think is the future... netopia.... marxism.... capitalism.... what?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ranrr wars by proxy don't count'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Libya isn't a war, that's just humanitarian bombing'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Humanitarian bombing. That sounds nice.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *Yay!*  Go Tinada!!!  Limunious cheers him on.
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if we didnt declare war, and no sovereign nation declare war on us... and the un didnt resolve that a war is waged'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I wouldn't call the wars on iraq and afganistan proxy wars.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Korendir: 'wow, you should be a politician '
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'why would you say that there's a war'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and limited ground operations'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'humanitarian bombing? is that a drinking game?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ranrr , there is no war on iraq or afghanistan, sadaam didnt declare war from iraq , an we didnt declare war from washington'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'I'd mention that most of Western Europe found Hitler's arguments nice too...'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'People shooting at each other over more than one engagement? That's a war, regardless of spin'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Korendir: 'to-meh-to, to-mah-to!'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'we are helping the afghani government'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'But we've already passed the point of application of Godwin's law, so.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) High King Epicrandom: 'No, but it is played by the American government, so the sanity level required is the same.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Just because you didn't declare it doesn't mean it's not a war.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trurien yes, well, its a simple argument ' we're going to kill off the undesireables, but you, we like you, you're not going to die''
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ranrr for it to be a war, one of the two soverign nations has to call it that'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sovereign*'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'exactly'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Sorry, I missed how that was addressed to something I said... too much spam here.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No, that is a load of horse shit'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trurien your hitler thingy'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'otherwise its a conflict'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or a police action.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'So you can fight all you want and it's not a war as long as no country declares it?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I bet if you asked the iraq civilians they would call it a war.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'when war is declared it will upscale fast'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'That's a question of definition.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Was Vietnam a war? No declarations - how about Korea?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trurien yes. and if you shoot somebody and its not an act of war, you may be liable in local court'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'hehe Saddam didnt have time to declare a war, his chicken ass ran so fast and hid it was unreal'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) High King Epicrandom: 'He's right. None of the Allies wanted another war - they thought Hitler was great until he went after Poland.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'he annexed austria too didnt he'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's just not true, epicr.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'There were many Nazis in the US, UK and in the Scandinavian countries, right?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Annexed? Oh lol, you need some history in ya!'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Or at least, people who thought he had good ideas.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'epicrandom most of europe wanted a war , but they wanted a war they could win, they armed germany to hope he'd get in a fist fight with uncle joe'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'stalin!'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Not so much Scandinavia - plenty through the old Central Powers though'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trurien 'nazi' was national socialist party'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) High King Epicrandom: 'Well, I'm not sure about Europe, but in Australia at least, they loved him.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it didnt mean ' racist nut job' back then'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Aus loved Hitler? Are you on crack?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'I know what it means, VD.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'in australia we loved hitler!?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'austria, not australia'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) High King Epicrandom: 'Nazi meant whatever Hitler thought the crowd listening to him wanted it to mean.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its a common mistake'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'By morons'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) High King Epicrandom: 'Before the war, yeah.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'that is definitely not true about aussie, i watched sound of music, and they were sure fleeing'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Where did Australia come in?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'that was only because werner von trapp had been in a prior war'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) High King Epicrandom: 'Loved is probably a bit strong, but, he wasn't unpopular.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Korendir: 'they were jews, of course they were fleeing'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trurien australia came in your mom.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'But there were supporters of his ideology no doubt.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) High King Epicrandom: 'Yes'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'most of australia did not love hitler thank you very much'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'No wonder you need to have that pretitle, VD, you must have no other friends.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'in usa we had a lot of socialists too.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they were quite influential. but nobody wanted to have to face a mirror and think. gosh. i'm the same as those german fascists who stuff people in ovens.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So...VD, Republican, right? Tea Party, or what?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) High King Epicrandom: 'Soon as the holocaust camps were discovered, we hated him, but before the war he was liked.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'we stopped sterlizing people involuntarily for the most part within 40 years of hitlers fall from power'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'here in the usa'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'I am a republican'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'epic, shrug, i hear the russians had camps too.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'labor camps though.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'google Gulag'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'a real works make free mentality.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'he was politicly liked. there is a difference'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i hear stalin loved them'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) High King Epicrandom: 'Weren't the Russian camps political, not racial?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'He was politically liked by those he didn't kill!'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Trurien flashes a mischievous grin at Vakieh.  Hmm. is it time to run and hide?
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rykker shrug, sarah palin is publically liked. but to me she looks like a flat chested person that squeaks when humped.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and i dont like the a woman that sounds like a rubber doll in the sack'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Publically?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'nice call'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Hitler had 2 coups, read up on the one that failed - people HATED him - just not the right people'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes, boob size is important in a politician'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'What's wrong with flat-chested women?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'The 1923 one you mean?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'epic, the russian camps had quotas to meet, even if you werent guilty, if you looked like a strong worker, you were supposed to be able to be sent there'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Are you implying that brease sizes makes one less of a woman?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling the lack of bra space seems to affect their mood and cause a personality flaw'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'omg aussie did not like hitler. even pre war'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'We're past that, he meant Austria'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'we just didnt care about him'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'many austrian women are quite shapely'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Only if they let it'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'no epi says autralia constantly'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) High King Epicrandom: 'Do you mean the fail one where Hitler was caught, sentanced to jail for treason, and talked his way almost completely out of it?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'this has been a great debate this morning, we into the miltary, loaf-shitting women, the catholic church, the aussies, hitler, detention camps, the allies, iranians, the wars, the conflicts, hitler, the gays in savannah, oh yas and the Von Trap clan'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Where he got to write his book.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Almost completely? We're was Mein Kampf written?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'where*'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'uh... hitler died before that'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'did he write that himself. or was it like with shakespeare?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) High King Epicrandom: 'Relatively - for Treason'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'I think he meant almost completely in the sense that he still had to serve some jail time.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'lol loaf shifting women?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'before...he wrote his book? Man, grow a fucking BRAIN!'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) High King Epicrandom: 'Treason - couple years jail'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'the term used for being preggers if u scroll back!'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'i know. its just funy'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Korendir: 'lol is it just me or has the debate topic shifted much'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'hilarious actually'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'just you'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'i know me and the wifey trying to have kids right now, so im going to use that term'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I came in at the tail end of Preggers soldiers'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'I think it's the norm, Korendir.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Dear god Limunious, stop NOW while you still can.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'we'll circle back to welfare soon'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Korendir grins evilly.
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Limunious licks Starling.
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And then on to poll rigging'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Kids ruin marriages more than you know, you are signing away your life, money, and freedom by attempting to loaf-shit.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Limunious throws back his head and cackles with insane glee!
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'then the immigrant problem?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If you must have kids, ADOPT.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'limun is your wife cute?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'VD: Id do her'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Why, Starling?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Adopt, like I did my dog - that way you can have them housetrained elsewhere, and you can pick your favourite colour!'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Don't be fucking selfish and 'have one of your own', adopt one that's already here.  Lord knows there's enough of them.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'loaf shit? lol starling how do you come up with this'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling, why should he adopt kids from some welfare drug user, the kids might be biochemically screwed up from the pregnancy'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'wouldnt it be better for him to be more selective, the way women that go to sperm doners are?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'dont u have to get like little starvin marvin baby's when u adopt?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'like the celebrities do?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'hilarious vakieh'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Not necessarily'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Honestly, think outside the lifescript and forgo loaf shitting.  You'll be happier, your standard of living will be higher, you'll probably live longer due to being less stressed.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'starling you will never father kids?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Rykker, I read a lot of childfree websites.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'i like kids they wont stress me out'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'no such thing'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'i would prefer to have a kid and adopt a midget if that were possible'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, I will never have kids.  Finally got a job with insurance, tubal ligation is next month.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Not planning to adopt either, I guess?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I am completely thrilled and can't wait.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Fuck no.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'children arent for everyone. but i work and when i decide to have them i will'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling... if the electric cauterizing needle misses and jabs into the uterus, will you bleed to death in under six minutes?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Nah'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'l'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rykker once i have the proper livelyhood to support a yard and pay someboy else to mow it, i definately wouldnt mind raising kids.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The procedure involves two very small incisions, I'm not worried.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Or one almighty kick to the groin'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling, some doctors use pot.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Apparently it can be painful but it's only temporary.  UNLIKE shitting a loaf and being saddled with the brat for life.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'lol. me too VD'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'well if yer in the position where u just got a job that has insurance, then yer definitely not ready for a kid so that good u think like that'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'limunious youre never 'ready' for a kid'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It has nothing to do with being 'ready' or not, it has everything to do with the fact that I don't want kids.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling kids dont want you. so its a good fit =)'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I agree'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'thats not true, ready just means mentally ready, like yer planning on it and willing to make the needed sacrifices'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Shrug, sorry about your upcoming mistake'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oh but for me it wont be a mistake =)'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i loved being a kid'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'someone had u starling :)'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Unfortunately'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'i think'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'why are you so fucking dark?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'what drives a man like that doc, what's he after?   revenge.... revenge for what.... for being born.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'i find dark chicks HOT'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Dude, you can't just ASK someone why they're dark! Jeez!'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'limunious really? i prefer chicks with amber-hazel-yellow-agate colored eyes'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'im pretty sure i did'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'remember their all pink:)'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'only color i think of:)'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'like that chick that starred in the disney movie with the diving horse. wild hearts can't be broken'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I prefer girls with tits. The end.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Why is debate channel troll channel?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'answer in four words or less'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) High King Epicrandom: 'Or ass.  It's an either/or situation :)'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You mean and/and?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling, did you know that even with a tubal ligation, there is a tiny percentage chance that you will still become pregnant'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) High King Epicrandom: 'possibly'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I think it's morally repugnant to force life on a human being.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling i live in america. suicide is legal here if you are not subject to military law ^_^'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'your right. they should be asked if they want to be born'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Limunious is agreeing with that Rykker person again...
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rykker they're working on a technique for that at ucla'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'no starling must live to warn others!'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And if that happens, Vampire, I will abort it.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Is it any less repugnant to force death on a fetus?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling so you would punish the child for your own laziness? you could use a contraceptive'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'well tha might be a good calling for her, believe me plenty of people who are having kids shouldnt be having em, she can always spin it for good'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'A fetus is not a person, so no.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'In fact, you're doing it a favor by sparing it from hell.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Still, it is a living entity.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling oh. neither are chinese people. can we nuke china'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'So is the bug I just swatted, what's your point?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) High King Epicrandom: 'Past a certain stage, when it becomes conscious, it is a person.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling uh. if its not baptized who says its spared from hell =)'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Well, I don't swat bugs.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trurien not even zerglings?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'being killed doesnt send you to hell'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Well, I do.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rykker it does if you are in a state of sin'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'zerglings!'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I used to burn them with a magnifying glass when I was a kid.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Those aren't bugs.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling yes. you're just like a female version of sid from toy story'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Strap a bomb on the fetus - get him 20 virgins he won't know what to do with'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'I try to avoid killing ... anything.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Even germs?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'everyone is in a state of sin. depends on degree'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Time dies a lot in my hands, though.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'vakieh you know, i never understood the virgins thing. if someone gives me 20 versions. they won't stay virgins for eternity'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'I would probably have to draw the line at germs, Starling.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rykker but if you die in a state of sin, you either A. get an instant-aneous judgement and potential beatific vision.../torment'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or... B.... a long wait.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Sin is just a human construct'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) High King Epicrandom: 'I think a clarification would be 'I try to avoid killing things that aren't harming me'.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'everyone should be in a good day today, its football day!'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it depends on the belief system'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Kinda sucks to be a Muslim virgin, though - be without sin, be a terrorist sex slave'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Kind of sucks to be a Muslim, period'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'now i wanna adopt one of those'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'limunious if by football, you mean the inert explosive suitcase on its way to chicago's o hare airport from seatac ?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'sign me up'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'All that derka-derka-muhammad-jihad shit.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'i agree with starling on that'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling what, you're angry that allah didnt let you be born as a man?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'the human construct thing'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'DERKADERKASTAN - OF COURSE!'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Epicrandom: Perhaps, though I try not to kill mosquitoes either.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trurien if you dont, the velociraptors will get you'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'BUG. SPRAY.     EVERYTHING.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'gotta love a jack Bauer reference'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'vaieh, bug spray won't stop army ants'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It will when I set it on fire'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'nah. fire doesnt kill army ants'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it makes them angry.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I disagree'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: '...but it kills army people.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'yep. it works on army people'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but ants are more evolved'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'starling if you could support children you wouldnt have them?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Fuck no'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rykker if america stopped having television, we could support a lot more =)'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm making enough now that I could support a kid, but fuck that.  Rather spend that cash on myself.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'support or not, i believe in a womans choice to have or not have kids, its not my choice, but thats why its great to live somewhere she has that choice, and she'll meet a guy who doesnt want kids, and live a nice fruitful life'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Would that not be the definition of selfish?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling, so basically. if i believed that a child was a child from the moment of conception.... and you some time tied me down and copulated to the point of getting pregnant despite the ligation. you would abort and kill my child . that wouldnt be nice. so let's never date'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'you dont like kids starling?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It costs about $250k to raise a brat to age 18 and at least another $50k to send the shit to college.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'So getting a tubal really is an investment that will pay big dividends.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Fuck no, I hate kids.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Hmm, maybe I should just order a pizza.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling shrug, my parents didnt send me to college'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trurien get me one too.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'isn't it selfish to have kids too?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'because of the personal and finnancial drain that would inflict on you?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tofting no, children are a joy to be shared with others'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'i will say this....some children should be shared with others and some should be shared with a furnance'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Perhaps, Tofting, but spending more on yourself than on others is by definition selfish, defining having kids as being selfish requires a bit more effort.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trurien having kids is selfish in the sense that it usually requires enough alone time with a significant other'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Like I'd want to sign away my life, freedom and money to raise some screaming, pissing, shitting, vomiting fleshbrick.  And rip up my body in the process?  You really have to ask why I'm not interested?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'that is time that could have been spent oh... mowing my lawn that i will have some day... or... uh... playing aard'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: '6 mins for me :)'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'true but why do u have kids? because u want them.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling your body aint in such nice shape already =)'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Anyone other than VampireDude have something to say?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but if you think about it. try the welfare mom method. get laid with 5-6 guys, get their kids. get child support.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'i did. yes'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i wonder if the ace of base song ' all that she wants' describes such a situation'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Because the condom broke, Tofting.  And they bought the 'abortion is murder' line.  That's why people have kids.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling abortion is killing... war sometimes has killing.... executing people by lethal injection is usually killing'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Killing kicks ass.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you want to say because you use chemicals... that a person didnt die? ok. but thats not true'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So...I hear only 2 months till Skyrim! Thoughts on changes to [count] outputs?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'vakieh, did you get the free map for preorder?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Bring that to gossip, this is debate :P'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'cant wait for skyrim!'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Perorder? f that, I'll pirate till its under $100'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'no, skyrim belongs on gametalk'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'preorder rather'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its 59.99'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Not here it isnt'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'welcome to america'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: '129.99 here'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'These and other reasons I feel quite justified using tpb'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling condoms arent the only form of contraception'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'As my $ beats your $'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you can get a spermicidal jelly and a diaphragm for example'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'aussie dollars win atm'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or... you can have your uterus removed.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I am Aussie'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'If it's a game worth paying for, why not pay for it?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rykker )
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'qld?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I will - I just won't pay higher than the US when my dollar is worth more than a US dollar'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Sydney'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'That makes some sense.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) High King Epicrandom: 'Vakieh - agree completely'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oh. sydney. i hear they still have prostitutes for the visiting heads of state there'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'indeed'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And MY head of...wait, nvm'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'take advantage of our moneys while we still can'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'vakieh. can i have a dollar?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i don't know what aussie money looks like'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's made of plastic'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It is rainbow coloured - bc we're awesome'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'VampireDude must have pushing people's buttons as his personal goal in life.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'soon canada will have more worth in their currency than usa :p'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rainbow rights eh'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Swiss currency is also colourful.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rykker an artificially weak currency helps encourage trade =)'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I hate US currency - wtf do you mean I need to READ my notes?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'our money is eye catching. not boring green'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Except the US dollar is probably not artificially weak.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'lol'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trurien no. it is.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Plus that isn't any good for the workers'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yeah, usd is proper weak :P'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Great for the corps though!'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'the treasury allowed banks to buy treasury bonds with treasury money. that is artifice.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Say something that I can't disregard as trolling.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Oh, wow, you did.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'i wish we had circular fifty cent pieces still Vakieh :('
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'But why was there a need for these bonds in the first place?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rykker we do. they released a batch in 06'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'Rykker: why, what shape are they now?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Why? corners are MUCH better for bloodknuckles'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'octagonal'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'no, they have like 20-30 sides'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'or hexagonal...i forget :s'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'and lasers'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'lol'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trurien: 'There's an english coin that is non-circular too, can't remember which denomination though. 50p I think.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'what!? vd are they always circular?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'yep 50p and 20p'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'i killed the chat with my talk of circular fifty cent pieces?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I heard Miss Piggy and Kermit broke up - discuss'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'didnt happen'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'they did?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'alot of german tourists in qld atm and they love to say stupid aussie'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'doofer australiander?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'er no. fucking aussie mate :)'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I do'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'me'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'ffs'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'abelinc, is it a bet?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude peers at you intently. 
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude dances wildly before you!
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'you!'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'pas moiz?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'im not sure what you said but yes? i do lick waffles?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mmnm. waffles'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'is  there any food more divine than a waffle?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'let's go make waffles now. do you have a recipe?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'hotcakes'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'sadly  no'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'all sorts of delicious meaning in that word, too'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'tell me you do'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I suggest blue waffles.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i think the US needs to have a faster birth rate'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mrh: 'anything can be debated here right?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'argh. no recipe for waffles. god must be punishing you'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic i have no berries to color the waffles blue with. maybe i need to just put more air in?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'the sky is blue.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that would require that we have an immigration policy that keeps our numbers down.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mnm.. cap n trade'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'VD whats ya fav waffles?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'right now, the Illegicans are boinking faster than the Americans are.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: '? no we just need more fornication'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rykker, i like the yellow kind with the syrup on them'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'dokkar not to worry, starling found a solution '
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'those are good vd'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'hollow-point penectomies?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mrh: 'Christianity and every other religion is wrong, all oposed?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'i prefer the god from futurama'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'Us has a population growth of .6% per year'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'dokkar no. she suggested that people on welfare could produce babies for us'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'elchanan but thats mostly because of old people on pensions'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'we should have like 1.3% maybe'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'elchanan if we wipe out the old people, our economy doesnt have to deal with overspent pension plans anymore'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'or from the Simpsons, he watches football on Sundays.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'wipe out as in cull them?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'yep. children o the corn style'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'subsidize people that are financially stable having babies :P'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we do that anyways'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'but who will yell at squirrels for no reason then? tell me. tell me now'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'true but then we would have the many people that are needed to take care of the old people with out jobs'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we've got Doug for that.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mrh: 'someone has to do something about over population.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mrh: 'us perhaps?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'we need to enhance technology so we can produce food really cheap'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'elchanan they won't remain financially stable if they have them.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mrh, you can never have too much labor.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'there is always more work that can be done. '
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'the world can still support many people'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mrh: 'not funny'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mrh: 'it can but it wont'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'then why 9.1% unemployment ?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'elchanan why do you think?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'that means 9.1% are being taken car of'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'how would you eliminate old people though VD?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'if we saw a 1 year 5% increase in population just think about how much extra demand that would be'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'gas? pills?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mrh: 'kill people perhaps?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'with?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rykker, perhaps by raising the cost of produce so that the old people can't afford to buy it. or perhaps spike the cost of health care for the elderly the way we do on auto insurance'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'industry can supply for more people than it takes to run'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'elchanan right... but management gets paid more than labor'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'so slowly kill them? pfft'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'thank god they do'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'we have a shortage of labor, but a surplus of management.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so as long as the new population members are not going into management, there's no overpopulation'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mrh: 'improving health care is not the solution.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'my odd idea was to set a spread rate between highest and lowest paid employees of a company'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'yea that odd stop thinking it'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mrh if you owned 5 acres, would you farm it, or just put in a big entertainment system and get a job at walmart?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'elchanan that would be a good way to get canned'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mrh: 'neither'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'what would you do? sell it and spend the money on beer and whores?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'do whores prefer beer or wine?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'whores are tempting'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mrh: 'i dont'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'which do you prefer, vampiredude?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'they prefer whatever i give em, there whores afterall'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tyebald i prefer dr. slice'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it's blood flavored'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'i prefer whores that like vegemite'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'limunious yeah guess they're a little short on expectations'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well it it was like the highest paid cant make more than 1000% lest say of the lowest paid... if you pay some one 30K per year the top paid person cant make more than 300K'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'umm makes no sense but its ok'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'how do you account for part-time employees?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'although a whore who loves waffels is too good to pass up'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'elchanan good way to get the 30k'ers canned.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'or a global company'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'fire all part time employees to make it easier to keep track! also everyone must go home at 5 o'clock'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mrh: 'how should criminals be punished in your opinion. Pick your own crimes.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mrh i think shoplifters should be sentenced to work in a walmart environment'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'because what they'll do then is start making everyone work 20 hours a week instead, so people will have to scrape up jobs, and then they'll be part-time and there won't be a comparison'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'trial by combat for all white collar criminals'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'is the steal they should have their spleens removed'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'or the combat thing'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well you could put all sorts of clauses in but yea it more of a theoretical'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'if the 30kers are needed they wond get canned'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'they'll get replaced by robots where possible.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'yes they will. they'd get replaced with provisional employees'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'who would be canned 2 weeks before getting benefits'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'or people who work for a month and then quit.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nogs'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'criminals are needed for shows like cops'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its called 'an industrial labor reserve' i think'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mrh: 'not funny once again'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'if profits rise and they want to make pay rises to the upper lvs they need to raise every one'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you really should take some economics/history classes :P'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'or they'll give other benefits which don't technically count as 'salary''
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'who majic'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'people get paid 30k/year because that's what they're worth.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you. '
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'no criminals equals communisim'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: '<--B.S. in economics'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'all degrees in economics are B.S.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'y'know majic, university professors all make 6 figures'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You run away in terror and horror!
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic i'd love to. but i dont have that kind of cash.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oh. him not me. skill lag.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'elchanan, can you explain to me a breakeven percentage when it comes to central /reserve banking?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mrh: 'to hell with communism'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'its a theoretical'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I doubt that very much. Someone who really had taken economics would know the reasons why your simplistic solutions would never work.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic the most direct is that he wouldn't be at the company long enough to institute the new policy.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you sound more like you're about 14 and upset by the inequity in the world (which is normal) and saying 'if we only ...''
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but yea the population growth one is fairly sound'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, he may be the economics professor from back to school'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'the people in power over corporate policy 's interest would be adversely affected by such a spread, and it would never see the light of day'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'http://risprawl.terranovum.com/other/tbolioli-2001-march.html'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'do you do something in politics VD?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'if you want a kick off point'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rykker i don't think so.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i agree vampire it wont ever see the light of day'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'you seem opinionated and passionate. you could make a difference possibly'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rykker maybe, but my views are not middle-of-the-road-enough'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mrh: 'without a religion, why would anyone continue to live?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you have to be realistic. if there's a way to exploit something, the companies will find a way.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic is there a way to exploid online multi user dungeons?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there are plenty of people who live just fine without a religion'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'without faith, not without religion'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'exploit*'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'are u joking Mrh?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'pfft religion is not for everyone'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mrh: 'no'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ill be back debate ways to get higher population growth :P'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'first somebody should explain breakeven percentages to me when it comes to our fractional reserve banking system'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude sobs in misery.
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'ben and jerrys didn't pay the top employee more than seven times the entry level employees, but had to end the practice in 1995 when they looked for a new CEO'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'i hear america has grape soda :('
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'malkar i respect companies with wage disparity more if they have internal management tracks rather than hire the first harvard or yalie they can find'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'Why r u so big on religion mrh?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rykker 18 kinds of grape soda here. yep'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and pineapple and black cherry, too'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'we have two that i know of and its not sold in supermarkets :('
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'nope. the black cherry comes from canada'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'vess is canadian?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'jones is'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'product du canada or something'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'what is it with canada and du's and ducks and loons an toonies'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'also i want a hotdog from an american wheelie cart vendor you see in the movies'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'vampire, I mostly agree with you on the management thing, if you can find someone good in teh company'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's that faux-French thing they've got going on in the east.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'black rock had a good black cherry :-)'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'rykker, plenty of cities have those'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'i hear theyre really good :)'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'most hotdogs in australia suck'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'not necessarily all that sanitary, though'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's what makes 'em good'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'exactly'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'also i want a hair cut like donald trump'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rykker  sighs. only is america
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'in*'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'so why the fuss over the same things at fast food/sitdown restaurants?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'malkar if a rich brat can become a good leader by attending harvard... is that to say that any one else could not do the same'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'even... the clerk at burger king'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if anyone can be taught, then why would a company not be able to train qualified indiviuals from within'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'because you must have qualified individuals within to train first'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'there will never be one set of rules and regulations for all companies'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'abelinc so what you mean is, that if they dont have qualified managers and vps, they can't mentor their replacements?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'they usually can, occationally they do need to go outside the company if they don't have good canidates from within'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I mean, not everyone has the same capability for training, not even including drive and simple edumacation'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if it's like the company I work for, they just don't have the time for it.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'if its not being rude...what do you do as a job VD?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Limunious chuckles politely.
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'From what I've heard Mcdonalds is actually good at promoting people from its lowest levels, gradually to regional managers.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'what about assistant (to the) regional manager?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it is, but few people want to stick it out long enough at such low pay'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'malkar yes. they are.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'dokkar well, they get the food at cost too'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so if you wanna supersize it. you can'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I believe you have my stapler'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude gives abelinc the stapler, sans staples.
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'never hand over a loaded weapon.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, not wanting to stick around long enough to work your way up through promotions isn't the company's fault, and isn't going to get you the qualifications'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we live in a microwave society'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'apparently aussie maccas tastes like shit compared to american'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'abelinc indeed. we want instant everything'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what's maccas?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'its people that dont wanna stick it out and work hard without instant reward that makes it easier for the rest of us to do so well'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'abelinc, if my microwave isnt properly shielded and it crackles my speakers... can i wrap tinfoil around it or something to augment that?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'imagine the ramifications of a 20% pop growth per year over the next 5 years'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'aussie term for macdonalds'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes vampire'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nod, just urbandictionaried it'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'do i need to ground the tinfoil?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sadly though, you really don't get the qualifications and skills for advancement by working at a lot of jobs'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'that would be a major increase in food consumption and demand for consumer goods'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'the last 6 figure principal i talked to recommended that when you're unskilled companies can train you, so you emphasize versatilty, but once you are trained into a position, it's harder to break out of that role'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its nice that in america, we're less class conscious =)'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'people in other walks of life can still talk to one another... not snobby like i hear the italian rich are'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: '^_^'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'italian elite or the rich guineas are extremly bad'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rykker thats what i hear. but who knows. i'm just glad i'm not a delta. '
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'i know. my father is italian and i have met many italians as such. from lots of classes too'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'how about a tri-lam?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'debate abelinc tri-lams werent in a brave new world.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'alphas, betas, deltas, and whatever those other ones were'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You sigh.
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'go back to adams college...'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: ''where' is that?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'is that the one that was mt holyoak?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'is maccas the most popular fast food chain in the statse?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, it's the one from revenge of the nerds :P'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'states*'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'rykker, yes'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'not anymore, actually'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'wendys'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Subway's #1 now'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I think so, Subway is making up a lot of goround'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'subway is not fast food'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Subway is fast food, yes'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'no no i said fast food'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes it is'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'especially if you get it toasted. usually like 14 minutes from order to pay'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what subway do you go to?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'several.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i'm an addict'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the ones you visit suck...couple mins tops'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'chipotle is growing strong'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'they must not like you very much...even my toasted are done in 5 minutes'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Subway's is actually faster than McDonald's or Burger King.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they even have them at walmart'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'is that fat bastard who could skinny still popular?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'dokkar nah, at mcdonalds they have it ready when i walk in under a heat lamp'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'the one I'm close to is pretty fast. maybe 5 min for toasted.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'who got skinny*'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'sigh...jared'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'how much you guys think it costs to get a subway franchise?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'no he was never popular, but he's still in the ads'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'depends on loc'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that must be the only McDonald's in all the world who does that, then, VD.  They effectively banned premade several years ago.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'dokkar banned, really?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'they banned it here too but still they have it already ready'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zexan: '108-300k according to google'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'jared got heavy eating at Subway (apparently footlong double meat, has more calories than 6 in. vegggie'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'while I'm sure the meats are kept in warmers, if you didn't order it it doesn't get put together.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'burger king got acquired by 3G capital a while back'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'oh, and the fries.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oh no, they have it wrapped already even'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'here they have it completly ready'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they aren't allowed to premake them like that anymore.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'elchanan 3g gets a lot of tax breaks for hiring vets too'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'people brake rules..'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'dokkar ok. well. send them a frown filled email then'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: '3.3 billion dollar acquisition '
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and they backed by Brazilian investors'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'http://www.subway.com/subwayroot/Own_a_Franchise/NextSteps.aspx ;-)'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anyone got 100-300k i can borrow to try and get a subway franchise?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it can be as low as 78,600 ;-)'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rykker loans VD 400k
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anyone got as low as 78,600 i can borrow for the same?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'sign me up for food prepared by a guy named VD.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'try for a Captain D's.  Then you could be Captain VD!'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ah abelinc's links say that its only 15k for the franchise fee the rest is eq/supply it seems to me'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'planning on running a business without supplies?  can I please be the one to lend you the money?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'sandwhich shops like subway are really popular in usa?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tyebald you see . your reading is not very comprehensive '
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'some of them are, yes'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Subway is, Quizno's just went out of business again.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and, of course, the deli's are still off the chain.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'nothing like a going out of business sale where the prices are the same'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hmn. who wants to leave aard and go to subway and come back?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'most towns have a small sandwich shop at least, but Subway is by far the biggest chain'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Penn Station is really good, but real greasy.  Blimpy's and Mr. Goodcents or whatever it is is just turrable.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'blimpies has nice mustard though'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'don't like mustard anyways'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'why not.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'Blimpie has a wide variation, depnding on the franchise owner. The original in Hoboken makes roast beef to die for. But elsewhere, it sucks. Some of them make good tuna.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'wth VD?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mmnm roast beef w/ hormones'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, can't get roast beef to die for anywhere outside buffalo :P'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'you cant just keep opening up food shops if there is not more mouths to feed'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'elchanan sure you can. its called a free market economy'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I never liked the taste of mustard.  No traumatic experiences or anything, though.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'dokkar what does it taste like to you?'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'to me it tastes like that yellow sulfur powder i use on plants'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, motorcycle field meets have an on-bike hot dog eating contest with hot dog hanging from a line, where it's dipped in mustard...yuck :P'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ok let me rephrase you can have larger number of successful food shops open if there is no one to eat at them'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'elchanan true. unless you are laundering money through them'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'My mind's eye fills up with the sight and smell of a newborn's shitty diaper.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there are plenty of people to eat at them...'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'then its not a food should its laundry shop'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tomatos toh-maht-oes'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and those people need money to spend at them too..'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'elchanan yes, even if they are full... they can still shop there'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'the people need to have money... and a desire to shop there for whatever purpose. they dont have to be ' hungry''
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'more people doesn't give existing people more money to spend...'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so now we have a customer base of hungry people, and an additional customer base of people that are laundering money'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea the fed gives us more money lol'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'print enough of it and china's economy will collapse.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude hugs a Questor named for Timothy Geithner.
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'Chinese is the new master race'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'keep importing resources and send them back less'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so someone claiming a BS in eco believes that to get more money in the economy, the fed just has to declare it so...'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'for every car we import sent them back a half of car in scrap to make us a new car for ex'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'abelinc yes. fractional reserve banking. increase the de-nominator and we have more money.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'it would achieve the stated goal of adding more money.  shame about the rest of the things it would break.'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'hord iron copper alu gold palt iridium palladium ... and all the rest'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'hoard'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'elchanan, let's not just hoard it... let's make a giant statue of a squid out of it'
T3/r4/2011-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'squid beaks are better than pelican beaks... '
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'who is cuter, asoka or rei?'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unplugged Abradix: 'Does anyone here believe the government's explanation of 9/11? Or was it an inside job?'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'what was their explanation? that some planes wrecked? i believe some planes wrecked. yes'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) High King Epicrandom: 'On the same level - Did man land on the moon?'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unplugged Abradix: 'terrorists did it because they're jealous of our lifestyle? or we needed to establish bases in the middle east to be close to russia and establish oil pipelines through the middle east?'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'abradix oh come on. russia is our ally'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unplugged Abradix: 'ok, then to be closer to china'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'we are very close to china, thanks to wal mart'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unplugged Abradix: 'I just find it frustrating that the government is carrying our future down the stairs in a big sack and all there American people can say is "That looks heavy, want some help with that?"'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the idiots of this nation take a vote and give all their tax money to the richest people they can find, then whine about how hard it is.'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ohm, did you get a stimulus check?'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'no. i dont generally file for taxes'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unplugged Abradix: 'The point is that they're voting for the wrong people... Do we really need to increase the size of the government more? Do we really need to depend on them more? No. Government needs to be put back into its place.'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unplugged Abradix: 'When the government fears the people there is freedom, when the people fear the government there is tyranny. -Thomas Jefferson'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'all the tea partiers men want a george w. bush government again'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unplugged Abradix: 'Do we not fear the government? In our gigantic police-nanny-state? I'd say we do. Its time for a change.'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and there will be none. too many complacent idiots, too many uneducated people who do not care'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'on the contrary, its the educated that dont care. upper middle class adhere to whatever status quo exists'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'as does the great mass of people called the poor'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ohm, so then... how many people in government actually ' think''
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'not sure, btu they think hard enough to get paid, so they are good as far as they are concerned'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unplugged Abradix: 'I'm disgusted at the lack of hope... I really think that people are starting to wake up. Revolution is on its way.'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'abradix nah. '
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'not when they look forward to jersey shore and sixteen and pregnant, they dont'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unplugged Abradix: 'We have the dumb dumb masses... But I also see lots of people who are completely aware. If a movement was started to shrink the federal govt back down to size, would you not join?'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i would not want to be the first in line to get shot, that is for sure'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'abradix why would i want it shrunken.'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ohm you dont want to be crispus attucks?'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'if you want to be my hero, i will hold your torch, so long as you walk in front of me'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unplugged Abradix: 'Because the sheer size of the federal government is bankrupting us... And it does nothing but grow. We are paralyzed by fear and told that the only one who can take care of us are the feds... Which is such shit. '
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'abradix uh. the federal government isnt bankrupting us, they're giving money to banks'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'true. but for most people, that explanation is good enough'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unplugged Abradix: 'And I would gladly martyr myself in the name of justice.'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'really?'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'hmmm abradix, dont die just yet...'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you wouldnt prefer to martyr yourself in the name of ice cream?'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unplugged Abradix: 'No... The Federal Reserve (which is privately owned) gives the soon-worthless money to the government, which distributes it to big buisness, who makes money and feeds it back to the government. And so the circlejerk continues into oblivion.'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'abradix no.'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'sounds about right though'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unplugged Abradix: 'if you have corrections please do, ill be holding up my ron paul sign and arguing with idiots about how uncle sam is fucking them aaaaaall day tomorrow.'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'lol.'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'that is becaue most of us are educated and can use the internet. lots of fellow americans cannot. some peopel have no idea that free music is available on the internet, for example'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ohm. napster is illegal remember'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'like that stopped me from using it'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unplugged Abradix: 'I cans use limewire? derpderpderp'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'There is plenty of truly free music.'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cizra ok. if you say so. no russian warez sites for me tho'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'yes there is, and until i met some of my fellow americans, i assumed everyone knew that. most people have no idea how to use a computer'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'I mean legal.'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'that too.'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Do something about it.'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i see no need.'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Then stop whining?'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i am not whining. just stating the obvious'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unplugged Abradix: 'I am doing something about it... And I'm the only one who gives enough of a shit it seems'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'What're you doing?'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unplugged Abradix: 'Standing on the street corner with my sign, getting the truth out the only way I know how.'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'And how much of an effect do you believe that will have?'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unplugged Abradix: 'With a loud voice and a load of passion. Can we please save America? Please please please?'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unplugged Abradix: 'It doesn't matter. If I encourage one person to learn the truth I've accomplished something.'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Maybe we can't handle the truth.'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'that is a good point, abradix. very good point'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unplugged Abradix: 'We can't handle the truth... America has ostrich syndrome. But I refuse to keep my head in the sand until its too late.'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rascally Ryke sighs.
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Unplugged Abradix comforts Rascally Ryke.
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unplugged Abradix: 'Truth has to find a way... We're losing the war. TV is one hell of an adversary, but we can't give up hope before we even try.'
T3/r4/2011-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mrh: 'any debates?'
T3/r4/2011-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'I contend that this channel is very empty. Who disagrees?'
T3/r4/2011-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Teshi: 'I disagree only because I'm bored.'
T3/r4/2011-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Volcanic Vulcaned: 'this channel is not empty'
T3/r4/2011-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'This channel is for flaming, please move your debate to gossip'
T3/r4/2011-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'because you need to turn it on to debate'
T3/r4/2011-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'YOU'RE COMPLETELY WRONG! This channel is BRIMMING with engaging chatter!'
T3/r4/2011-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Heh, thanks everyone.'
T3/r4/2011-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'But I'm right.'
T3/r4/2011-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'gossip targets more people'
T3/r4/2011-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Okay, I will keep ruining that valid discussion.'
T3/r4/2011-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Maybe this channel would be more popular if it weren't so fucking ugly.'
T3/r4/2011-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'Hey. Ugly channels are channels too. Oppressor.'
T3/r4/2011-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Maybe so, I don't like looking at it at all. But you do get to say fuck.'
T3/r4/2011-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Gossip is a soothing cyan, whereas debate is an angry, inflamed yellow/red.'
T3/r4/2011-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Intentional?'
T3/r4/2011-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'It's like an infected wound.'
T3/r4/2011-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Oh yes, I'm sure it is.'
T3/r4/2011-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'you can re-color it'
T3/r4/2011-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'yellow names are good, but red text is not'
T3/r4/2011-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Damn, you ruined it.'
T3/r4/2011-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Right, but first impressions and all that.'
T3/r4/2011-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'That could have been a really could bitching session.'
T3/r4/2011-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Your mom's cunt is an infected red color.'
T3/r4/2011-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Way to be Ryke, don't let the bastards get you down.'
T3/r4/2011-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's why you're so fucking defective/'
T3/r4/2011-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Why would you even know that, Starling? '
T3/r4/2011-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Volcanic Vulcaned: 'don't feed the trolls'
T3/r4/2011-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'This is troll central, my friend.'
T3/r4/2011-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xiucozcatl bursts into tears.
T3/r4/2011-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'They have been fed and are in a zesty mood.'
T3/r4/2011-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'sorry i leave for work soon'
T3/r4/2011-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Gorsk pokes some trolls.
T3/r4/2011-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'and so gossip has been freed'
T3/r4/2011-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'for now.....'
T3/r4/2011-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'And I contend that Xiucozclaksjdlhdg doesn't have to work at all, he's chickening out of this debate.'
T3/r4/2011-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xiucozcatl looks around afraid for his life.
T3/r4/2011-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'you got 10 mins, lol'
T3/r4/2011-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'is obama's uncle above the law?'
T3/r4/2011-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'the one with the dwi arrest / get out of jail free thing from last week?'
T3/r4/2011-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elpeligrito: 'If knowing a cop or a judge often gets it done, knowing the president couldn't hurt.'
T3/r4/2011-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if a debate devolves into profanity and cursing others with small birch bark structured stick men effigies... is it better to use debate or curse for it'
T3/r4/2011-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Use debate.'
T3/r4/2011-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'off'
T3/r4/2011-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'is president obama's uncle an alcoholic?'
T3/r4/2011-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fuzzy Madcatz: 'So, President Obama was on campus today.  20 minutes of The Price is Right got preempted so they could show live coverage of his drive from the airport to campus :('
T3/r4/2011-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Wow, what color was the car? We never get any good action around here.'
T3/r4/2011-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'Barack Obama.... COME ON DOWN!'
T3/r4/2011-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: '320$'
T3/r4/2011-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'I love watching the president driver around. It's stimulating.'
T3/r4/2011-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'driver, rather'
T3/r4/2011-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'between it and the price is right, watching a car drive around is more stimulating.'
T3/r4/2011-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Drive, rather, sheesh'
T3/r4/2011-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I agree with tyebald :P'
T3/r4/2011-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Yeah, since Bob Barker left I don't get to see him smooching fatties every time, it just isn't as fun. Nobody wants to see Drew Carey smooch anything.'
T3/r4/2011-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'speak for yourself'
T3/r4/2011-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fuzzy Madcatz: 'He's actuall gotten better over the past year or two :P'
T3/r4/2011-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fuzzy Madcatz: 'Or three.  However long it's been'
T3/r4/2011-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fuzzy Madcatz: 'I think the other candidate was Rosie O'Donnel, IIRC.  So...yeah.'
T3/r4/2011-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Perfect, the two frumpiest Hollywood has to offer.'
T3/r4/2011-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'shit... now i seen everything... daytime game show snobs... LMAO'
T3/r4/2011-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ok, funniest live game show gaff I've ever seen. From a looooong time ago...'
T3/r4/2011-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Announcer: In the year 1066, William the Conqueror became the last successful invader of Britain. For $100, where was William from.  Contestant: Normandy.  Announcer: Oh, I'm sorry. He was from France.'
T3/r4/2011-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hah. that's not the best one I've heard of though'
T3/r4/2011-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rykker: 'lol'
T3/r4/2011-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'one of the newlywed shows where they ask the same question of the wife and husband, it was 'where was the last time you made love''
T3/r4/2011-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'one of them said 'over the kitchen table' and the other 'in the bum''
T3/r4/2011-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Thought I was gonna piss my pants.'
T3/r4/2011-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Nice'
T3/r4/2011-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, not bad, Majic, but I've gotta go with the France one. I mean, how dense can a guy get?'
T3/r4/2011-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'relevant:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE'
T3/r4/2011-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fuzzy Madcatz: 'I wouldn't know the answer to the second question (the coalition of the willing)'
T3/r4/2011-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Lost me there, Madcatz'
T3/r4/2011-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fuzzy Madcatz: 'In Xiucozcatl's video'
T3/r4/2011-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ahhh, ok. Thanks.'
T3/r4/2011-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'my favorite part is where they stick pins into australia thinking it is north korea or iran'
T3/r4/2011-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'WE ARE DANGEROUS'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'at UBS: "Rogue trader loses $2 billion" .. it would be nice to know all the cases of the opposite happening'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'is it true that if you get diabetes later in life you have to give up eating candy bars?'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'avoid getting obese and avoid that disease'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dagfib: 'yeah thats the ticket'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'wait, is not diabetes curable by really low-sugar diet?'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dagfib: 'curable? no ... manageable? yes'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'curable by avoiding the unhealthy deathstyle that causes that disease'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dagfib: 'once your pancreas tells you to get fucked, it crosses its arms and stares at you the rest of your days'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'I'm quite sure, I've read recently about curability of that disease'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'you had to use low-sugar diet'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Dr Oz !'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'or rather high-fat '
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dagfib: 'source?'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Or acai berries.  They cure everything.'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Leinei peers around himself intently.
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'are acai berries related to the acacia tree?'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'They're about as related as blueberries are to blue spruce.'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oladon: 'Mmm, spruceberries'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'goodberries?'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'so it was almos 100% fat , very low proteins, almost 0 sugar (carbohydrate)'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dagfib: 'source trachx?'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hmn, maybe i should plant a trade'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tree'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'maybe i should plant a tree. darned freudian slips'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'http://dr-kwasniewski.pl/?id=2&news=140 (Polish language)'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'this diet is still little controversial'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'I mean proportions fat : protein : sugar'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dagfib: 'any articles with it in english?'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dagfib: 'and is it just some "diet"? or is there actually some sort of peer reviewed study'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'in english there is 'OPTIMAL NUTRITION' by Jan Kwasniewski'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'though it still debatable whether this diet help or not'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'several years ago it was proposed as fast method to become thin'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'although this is high-fat diet it doesn't cause people to become fat'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'then doctors said it was 'shock' to human body'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'however it is still unclear whether this is harmful or not to use such diet'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the byproducts of the fat digestion process are not healthy'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'digestion of fat needs some sugar'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'i.e. pancrea needs some sugar to release some enzymes'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'without sugar there is not enough enzymes to cause body to produce human fat'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mmnm human fat'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'there is kind of difference between human fat and fat'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'if you eat some fat pig, that fat (from pig) doesn't become human fat just by itself'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'it needs to be digested and then absorbed by human body'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'anyway, in such diet you need exclude food like rice, potatoes, bread '
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'OTOH, capsaicin (from chili) is also believed to be remedy for some diseases'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'capiscum is the actual name of chili'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'capsaicin is the active component in chili peppers'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'capsaicin might be , but capiscum is a chili'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'sorry, thought you were mispelling capsaicin from the comment before  :)'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'normal peppers are capsicums too'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tofting, k'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'all i know is to not plant em next to tomato or cucumbers'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude smiles happily.
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'all i know is vampiredude is the weird as shit'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'by the way, anyone know a good plant to grow if you want to remove salt from soil?'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'how come v?'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'kojiro, i thought you enjoyed scat porn'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tofting because the seeds can merge and you get spicy tomatos'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'tasty!'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'so stop sending me vampire twilight porn links'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'kojiro... uh thats what you asked for'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'god you're weird as fuck'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'how would you know... '
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'vampiredude do you feel people discriminate against you b/c ur a vamp?'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'depends on the time of day'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'do you sparkle during the day?'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'just my smile =)'
T3/r4/2011-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'heh'
T3/r4/2011-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'when the us federal government taxes the sale of tobacco products, does that price the filter material seperately or tax it differently?'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'superb'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'mis'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'None of the diamonds and gems, or the stainless steel tube that held them, were found.  http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2011/09/16/f-swissair-diamonds.html in one place they say they see no motive for a incindiary device (blotted out of report from investigators) to have been used, while 10-100x the amount of expected magnesium was discovered on the wiring, carrying half a billion dollars worth of jewels that they never found, a saudi prince and relative of the shah of iran with some high level UN diplomats'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sounds suspicious to me, there's all kinds of motives, but why they're ignoring the chief investigator's finding's says it's probably an inside job'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the television series trailer park boys is funded by the government of canada through nova scotia, it might be on private property, but they're drunk driving, police corruption, growing cannabis while walking through the fields and other thing's like that, saying how easy life in jail is - this is the funding of the canadian government'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so you see what kind of things the government finds to spend it's money on, it makes the show less funny than if it was independently produced'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's money = your money'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'citizens can't grow dope, drive drunk or make vodka in prison'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they figure the dept. of highways in quebec is ran by the mafia'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or organized crime as they put it'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'might partly address the reason why saskatchewan's highways aren't fixed with the over 50% tax cut the government charges at the pumps'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '120 bucks for a fillup / 2 for the government * 700 000 driver's every 2 days = how much of a highway in a week'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'watch an episode of trailer park boys and see how much justice is spent on itself by the government of canada where people pay taxes to, is that film something that would be difficult for any idiot with a microphone and camera to build?'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they need to be able to walk through fields of potent cannabis and stuff to make it interesting'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'stephen harper cutting funding for public services, and increased spending on the trailer park boys'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe making some half a billion dollar bombings that weren't bombings not be investigated too'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mafia should head back to italy and dea to america, then install some actual human beings into the administrative positions of the tax paying society'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i know they'll cut some people into pieces like they hanging them from bridges in mexico, but they only are able to do that cause nobody shoots them in the back when they're not looking'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'only public officials targetted for assassination are those who's motives aren't corrupt, read your timeline's'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xiucozcatl grabs some popcorn and sits back to watch the show.
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you have a family you're a liability because they can hold them against your decision making functions'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'err no your familiy makes you the exact oppiste'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'they make you controlable'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'american military can go across the ocean and succeed where they sabotaged russia's succession in 1987, but they can't clean up their own borders from human filth destroying their own citizens, spreading the wonderful laws of unjustice across the berlin wall world'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'prostitution is illegal in all 51 states, but pornographic films aren't material evidence'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'very judgemental'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '51 states?'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'legal in nevada'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'parts of nevada'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'do you prepare your material in advance, or do the (lack of) meds just open the flood gates'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a extreme example of your fucked up government'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'long as its done legally'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oddly enough, it's illegal in the one place people seem to think it's legal'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this is why people think hitler should have won ww2'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'pornographic tapes would be material evidence if they were obtained legally...but prostitution != porn, and porn is legal'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'if you watched the movie 'downfall' u'd find that hitler wouldn't be too bad of a leader actually'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'oh really, what's the difference?'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'thats why if you get busted for soliciting, you say youre making porn'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'who's paying'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the photographer isn't always taking part in the women he bought'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'come on, porn is an art'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you draw a fine line to a lie at infinity'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'druzil is very creative, too bad he doesnt channel it it art'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'sometimes... we must make sacrifices to make life artistic and interesting'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'fuck art'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'abstract art began during ww2 like you know it today'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'if bush didn't win, i'd say america would be a bloody stale place'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'you mean "too hard" ? '
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nothing artistic about the russian ashkenazi's who run the porn industry'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the goal of prostitution is to get the recipient off...the goal of porn is to get the non-participant audience off'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dire Wolfe: 'really? coulda sworn we had dadaists in the 30s'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'og god druzil the schizo vs abeblic the pendant'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dire Wolfe: 'if not before...'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'if you were to voluntarily have sex and sell your tape, is that prostitution?'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'd rather be a schizo than believe in the delusions of society'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you see abelinc defends those delusions'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You smirk.
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'druzil, you're extreme'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but i'm not a terrorist'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'sometimes there are grey areas'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'im scared'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'these areas are grey because they do not fit into black and white'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you could be'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You hug him.
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'pornography = prostitution, justice = doesn't notice the obvious'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'putting everything into black and white, right and wrong, is equivalent of chaining up the statue of liberty because people are afraid it gets stolen'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the episode of cops where they slam the jamaican man for possession of a firearm and narcotics in florida, 10,20,30'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'get the pun?'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they hit him with a car, plant the cocaine on the hood while the camera's off the car, put him cluelessly behind the car for interrogation, his girlfriend they didn't catch'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they find a glock with a bullet in the chamber on the passenger seat, not wondering how the woman was sitting on it, and say he carries it for moments like these'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's why he didn't use it'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'people who see evertthing in black and white cant cope with the reality that everything is a gradient'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'and you know this because?'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i bet if they did a test on the cocaine they planted (they did a cut-scene while planting the gun, those florida mafia police)'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he was the jamaican...that was some scary jamaican shit he was on'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'druzil is a bit nuts'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they would find it line's up exactly to the cocaine they seized near puerto rico in a DEA bust a month or two before, 1500 kilograms'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they took it to florida for forensics'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'druzil, i hope you are not religious'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nope, but i'm good at sticking crime's on people who think they're sneaky'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'druzil has been good for about a week, he has obviously let the meds slip again'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'i quote 'i am not a terrorist''
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'thats what the terrorists say'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'what i like it the terrorists are winning'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people blame jamaican's for the cocaine they see all over, while forgetting that it was a jewish philanthropist who installed 98% of south american and mediterranean governments in the 1950's'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'TSA rape you at the airport lately ?'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'black flag american government is all your piole of junk is'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the DEA seeds itself in ottawa and the cocaine all dribbles through the USA before reaching canada'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in 1985 the CIA was busted by the DEA smuggling cocaine from nicaragua'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'pics or it didn't happen'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the DEA told the investigating officer to not mention it'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'pics or it didn't happen'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're in your not prostitution porno stash'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sent overseas by the hells angels who the norway government bowed down to in a battle with the bandito's in the 90's'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'lol'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'i'm getting lost'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'snagged some ukrainian whores for the new york jew necro to sing about'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'forced prostitution from mongolia, russia, denmark, sweden and the likes'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and germany, where jeffrey dahmer was created'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ok, we've now devolved into a random hot topic buzzword generator'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'murderer's, only army i'd join is one who cleans that filth off of the face of the earth'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you bet'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'i saw this video where this ron paul gut basiclly said america is militarily occuping most of the world, with like 90 bases, and bombing the crap out of any paesants who disagree with the american ideals... but america is running out of money to support it all, and that is the stated goal of al-quaeda, to make america broke'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i agree with some of the motive's behind terrorist group's, wall street is where they tell you how much your life is worth to yourselves'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, that's congressman ron paul, to you'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'they aint terrorists, they are gurreila groups'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't join them though, they're not all bad'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't fight for the military of my country because i don't believe in what they're fighting for'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's not one government on earth that isn't corrupt'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'chile is the closest to a independent government the world has'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cain killd Abelinc holds off on the "Your country has a military?" jokes
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'coward, if you were really capable, you can make changes from within'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'put on your tights and amsk and save us druzil'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'not capable enough'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the cia's been trying to infiltrate chile since the 1940's'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'canada already works for the american exxon owners'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'heh show me where ron paul is wrong'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the makers of the avril arrow were sold to america by the prime minister who's military was challenging america'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'america can't stand to be challenged, russia and america have common owners'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'the masons ?'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'swiss bankers ?'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they's nothing, there's a verse in the bible that says this same question exists 3500 years ago'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'russia existed 3500 years ago ?'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dire Wolfe: 'oh good, rational evidence from the bible.'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'ashkenazi jews were called rhineland bastards by adolf hitler's military according to history, the word nazi was never spoken by adolf himself'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'calling them nazi's is a berlin wall, erected post ww2, idiocy invented for the world to believe'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'nono, go back to the bibles 3500 yro russians'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'tell me more'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's russia have to do with who owns russia'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the gospel states that he is not a jew who is one outwardly, making all jews who claim they're jews not jews by the gospel's definition'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'did russians own russia 3500 years ago? what does the bible say on this weighty issue ?  can i have the chapter verse ?'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'from my taking, hitler considered synagogues to be meeting places for russian spies, who called themselves jews'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and from the outcome, he's possibly correct - kaufman'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'russian spies started appearing in canada just after ww2'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and they all called themselves jews'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'who's gospel ?  the jews may not take christian writings as gospel ?'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'jews are the priority of america and canada'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're also ran by jews'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'stalins grandson was a jew'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that might be rupert murdoch'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'canada is run by joos?  help !'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm still curious about hitler never being part of NSDAP'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the cathedral of the assumption exists 1 block away from the chinese embassy in singapore'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it is where ivan the terrible was first given the title of christ'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'did hitler own russia 3500 years ago ?'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you sure take your countries seriously, i see them all as puppets'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dire Wolfe: 'Is anyone responding now, or is he just talking to his inner voices?'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'the tv tells me to kill the puppets at the mall with fire'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he musta been messianic jew then...'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'worshipping christ in russian orthadox religion means worshipping the putin i guess'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what do you think, people of the nation who worships christ'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the pope's ministry can't keep themselves from little boys assholes'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'gaping virgin mary's are their favourite'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well is he christ or a jew?'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'an italian built the original cathedral of the assumption in russia'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's where the king of all virgin genitalia lives'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'because italian do the best work'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there are living virgin genitalia?'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the president of uzbekistan or kazakhistan is named allah'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'isn't that remarkable, are all chinese people muslims then?'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'lol american ignorance'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we got some russian christ and allah next door'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and like 8% of latinos are named jesus...what's it got to do with anything?'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he's not american, don't blame us :P'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'some chinese people are muslim yes, the western ones'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'druzil = canuck'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'your mortal skin gods will die with the memory of what you thought they worshipped'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we think our gods worship stuff?'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you made a holiday out of 9/11 didn't you?'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then we'd just skip over our current gods and worship whatever they worship directly :-)'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'cut out the middle man'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I most certainly did not'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'whole fiasco with the Jehovah's Witness tazering a guy at a football game on 9/11, though'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'jehovah's witness was invented in the university of colombia i think'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'according to the bible if you ever seen the god of god's, you'd be dead instantaneously'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who's they witnessing then'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You smirk.
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, take out the words jeh wit & you'd think half of the wiki entry was about druzil. Adherents commonly refer to their body of beliefs as "the truth" and consider themselves to be "in the truth". Jehovah's Witnesses consider secular society to be morally corrupt and under the influence of Satan, and limit their social interaction with non-Witnesses.'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i have my own religion that consists of me and my understanding, you rely on others to give you reason's to have no religion'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'although I disagree with the statement about limiting social interaction with non-witnesses...I've had some great relationships with some JWs'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I love how your religion tells us what we rely on'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i invented more thing's in my life than your richest professor could plagiarize'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'much like the established religions that you like to speak against'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh, you're independently-wealthy, then?'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in understanding, yes'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's tougher to get a patent on that'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't invest my time in your world ran by serpents written of in the egyptian papyrii and carving's'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Druzil is attempting to include past reincarnations in the repertoire of invented knowledge'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's your understanding'
T3/r4/2011-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you're proven false though'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'A CBC News investigation into the horse slaughter industry in Canada, including hidden-camera footage from one slaughterhouse in Saskatchewan, is raising questions about how horses are being killed.  http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2008/06/10/horses-slaughter.html  and they're all concerned on tv about the horse that she paid 1200 dollars for cause she lives in a tent and it has a couple scratches on it http://www.globalsaskatoon.com/video/homeless+with+a+horse/video.html?v=2132844128'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what a fuckin joke those greasy scum bastard's get their noses into, pretending there's any kind of equilibrium in the least between the two cases'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if she was homeless jogging across canada on a horse for cancer she'd have the same fools ooing and aweing at her presence'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're saying , you have a drivers liscence and are a bum, therefore you should have to pay us for animal cruelty for not using your liscence to drive a vehicle while working for somebody, or at least have your horse taken away so you can be like the other homeless trash that we pay people to whack on the street of our fine city and raised the rent prices for that purpose'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'kiss my ass is plenty of grass in the ditch, and if you can find enough animals to kill to stay alive go ahead imo'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just have to give your horse some alkaseltzer to relieve the fossil fuel acidic slime from it's free standing water sources'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'once that cow crosses into public property, it's open season...'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'have yourself a teepee and a full set of leathers in no time'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'ok do [18 Sep 21:41:10] Druzil gossips 'nobody better be adding any bukkake's to my ichiban's''
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'so you say you dont want shit in your soup, correct ?'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'not shit, jizz'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malbert: 'balee dat.'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm saying if they're dripping bukkake's into my soup mixture or into the noodle mix themselves as a practical joke, i'm going to have to start making my own spaghetti'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'ok wat if i jizz in your soup, and you dont know, but still eat it, does that make you gay ?'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, that's not what is making him gay...'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'depends on if he wants the cook to come out and reveal the secret ingredient.'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: '[18 Sep 21:41:57] Druzil gossips 'because, that would be homosexual if the majority of eater's are male''
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malbert: 'not like he's getting it straight from the tap, though'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malbert: 'so to speak'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if he doesn't know and just happily walks off, he won't ever know--barring prior experience--that what he ate was jizzed on.'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'well naturally, they drink snake wine in some parts of the world for the sexual advantages of it's lore, why wouldn't they shoot some testosterone into the noodle's they feed the people to make their dna mystically desireable'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'but, if he happily walks off and knows it was jizzed on, then that would be gay.'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'ah, but druizl, as quoted has already staed his position that it WOULD be gay... refuted as requested'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'perhaps in a gang bang after every batch'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it would be sick if there was kaviar involved'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malbert: 'xiucozcatl, I think there was an implication of knowledge there'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'if knowlege is implied why would you perform the gay act if you are straight ?'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malbert: 'exactly.'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'just because you know doesn't mean you want the rest of the world to know you know, ya know?'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'well his 'openess' wasn't in question (until now)'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malbert: 'This reminds me of the centaur interview with Christopher Walken on SNL'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malbert: '...it was a horse.'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just saying, i've heard of stranger belief systems'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'ichiban noodle conspiracy's are lightweight in comparison'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and they was real'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'reputation doesn't necessarily dictate actions.  Some of the staunchest opponents of an activity tend to secretly be some of the most eager participants.'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'it's not a conspiracy, having worked as a waiter i can tell you if you are a complete twat, you will get jizz in your soup, and it will not be gay'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malbert: 'well, not on the customer's part, anyway...'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not in intention, unless that's a secret dichtomy as well, but if you're looking to the mystical sperm searching for the balls of it's dream kind of warlock crowley sauce you end up with stuff like i'm thinkin of'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'lol crowley was a con-man'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i was just trying to eat some soup and now i have a craving for your nuts my good man'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'gay'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we have an opening scene for the next silence of the lambs'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we're having to cover old ground to get what you're thinking of, Druzil.'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'hey if i eat sheeps testicles (common in many parts of the world) and there is some semen still inside, does that make me gay and beasty ?'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people have ground up people's genitals and drank them mixed with their fat cause they figured they could fly, also ejaculated into the special sauce at subway and other stuff like that, perversion's in cult's are a form  of worship, like priests listening to the confessions of the sins of the people they molested'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malbert: 'if you eat it _for_ the semen, then there is that possibility'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, there was a fw'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'whoops'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'about as much as eating a rare steak makes you a vampire.'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'i dunno, suppose you have oral sex with someone you meet at a bar with a lowcut top dressed as female who turns out to be male?'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'well i have started to sparkle in the sun'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'damn right's it's foolish when there's not real thing's like it going on with strange synonym's arriving on my computer screen'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's also a grain of truth to most foolish stories, check around'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'one grain in beach is not a lot'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there was a young person murdered a few years back, and what sparked it initially was that she was in the process of sex-changing to female, hadn't as yet gone through with the operation but dressed and presented as female, had sex (anally) with some guys ... and then they found it.'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'i forgot the link, her name was gwen...'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no thanks, I'll just stick to my kaviar, vomit, and scat, with the odd branding, interesting death by sex (gotta admit, having a pair of lovers roll off the side of a hi-rise in mid-act is an interesting way to go), and weirdness thrown in for variability.'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'how can you not tell ass from pussy, were they all virgins?   lol'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'or they couldn't hold their booze as well as they thought.'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'no, they knew they were having anal sex, but it was dark and they were drunk'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'kaviar, vomit and scat, man that's fuckin wild, and branding - jesus, you must be a rarity in your town'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they should promote you to arch bishop of your local diocese at least'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'who knows, all those ads keep showing lots of local people wanting the same things I do...'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the sheep know their shepherd'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'which are you druzil ?'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'keep on pioneering the practices that lead them to roe roe roe the boat '
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'lol'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'fish eggs the boat?'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm just a demented goat lost in the wilderness, chewing on the cud of past drug addictions'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'goats are herd animals too'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not if they're demented, sanity is relative to the pack'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how well you take orders without thought is how close to the middle of the pack you get to be spared from the lions in the dark'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'did you masurbate on your front lawn today druzil ?'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'me myself and irene? except that was ...'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nope, but i urinated on it'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'why not ?'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'because i'm not you?'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'you should'
T3/r4/2011-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'how closer to the centre of the pack are you now ?  lol'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anyone feeling metaphysical ?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'what you mean by metaphysical?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i dont know'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'still, so called metaphysical things are just things that science cannot explain'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'in the beginnings of 20th century it was proved by scientific researches that lead is not harmful to human'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'the romans will be happy to know that.'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'though those researches were sposnored by lead manufactures'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'anyway, science seems so all-knowing, still people cannot cure themselves of the most illnesses'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir slaps Trachx.
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'well,i guess they dont pay as well if a scientists says i don't know. pay me '
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i don't think you understand what science means'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'usually doctors cut off ill part or dose toxins in hope that illness will be killed and human will survive'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'you mean pure science? like atomic theories?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'thanks to them we have green energy - from atomic plants'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'but also there were nukes'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'you can always say that it is just abuse of science'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mirnij atom!'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'still, one cannot deny that most science-stimulation events are war or preparation to war'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'modern medicine was so developed because there was need to cure soldiers (and also kill them)'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx how many soldiers has medicine killed?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'maybe in the united states. europe has plenty of big budget non-military projects'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'poisonous gas wasn't discovered by accident during first use'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'one of most complete human body atlas (as set of pictures) exists due to dr Mendele'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but is it accurate, or does it only show germand and jewish bodies?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'or rather Mengele, it is very accurate'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'one of the best (or event the best)'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oh joe mengele?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'anyway, the way it was developed, is simply unhuman'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'we were required to hear that he was an evilguy in school, we didnt gettaught why. but it is easy to rememberthat he was evil'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'or rather very human, as animals don't do such things'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'yes, he was evil or even very evil, yet, he was also great researcher'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'good research, bad ethics'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'well, my school didnt teach that he was a researcher, justthat he was evil'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'human atlas? huh?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx, i think he had fair ethics given that his country was at war...'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you have to remember that experimentation on prisoners of war was not exactly a new concept'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'still unethical'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'anyway, do you remember Guatemala and syphilis? after war experiments'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'dagnir really? what is the proper standard of treatment when the survival of yourself and your nation is at stake?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx yep. we did that to black people here in america too'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'not just in south /central america'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'is was done across the world'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'yep. it sure was.'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'plenty of spare people. usually poor ones'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'I mean experiments, on the one hand it can help develop new vacc'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'I've heard in some parts of the world if you arent rich, catholic, jewish, or muslim, respectively to the region, you don't have the same rights...'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'on the other, do we have right to spare few to save thousands?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx how do we go selecting the volunteers?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'we do not'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but they did.'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but you must aknowledge that if your country is at war, your mindset will be different than in peacetime'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'do you remember Fukushima? there were volunteers to fight with effects of nuclear plant catastrophy'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'the ethical standard of treatment of foreigners is different.'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and the same for convicts'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'suddenly you have a valid fear for your survival.'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'that is dependant upon the war effort'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and if that war effort requires experiments with radiation sickness, or germ warfare and vaccines'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'you are right, though if everybody has gun, will there be more wars or less?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you would rather have prisoners of war dying from the research, than you would have your young fighting men or women dying'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it happens to be against conventions most countries in the world have signed'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so the ethical guidelines for wartime, defence essential research, are very different than those from day to day care duringpeacetime'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'it is wrong thinking, human life is unique, even enemy's life'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'signed, or ratified.'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and it's unethical as hell'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and in what year did your own country ratify.'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you being ok with moral relativism doesn't make it ethical'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'dagnir ethics require conventional standards'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'wartime conventions are very different than those in peacetime.'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'we happen to have conventional standards'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'you can always justify any behaviour, though it doesn't make it good even justified'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that apply during wars, yes'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'during a war, in the usa, for example... it is punishable by death, to betray a countersign'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but during peacetime, it is not'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'as I said before, Mengele was great researcher, modern medicine owes him a lot'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'also, modern medicine owes a lot to wars'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so, if a military commander shoots a man durin wartime for that offense... it is rational because of wartime conventions, andlegal by legislation'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but if he shoots him during peacetime, he is gonna need a good lawyer'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'rational, still unethical, not to speak about black and white side of power'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'or rather light and dark power'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx ethics, use rationals'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if you cannot incorporate that into your belief... how do you expect others to share it'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'anyway, rationals, Large Hadron Collider, have you heard about it?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx, so you're trying to avoid the topic at hand...?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'ANYWAY, RATIONALS, HAVE YOU HEARD OF UR MOM'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'vega yes... thanks to the large halldron collider we are able to produce a chair capable of handling her mass'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'rationals: now we have too many people on earth, do you agree?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'no.'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'in fact, most famines are man made by paramilitary or military forces'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'earth has limited supplies, do you agre?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'FACT: NOBODY GIVES A FUCK WHAT VAMPIREDUDE SAYS'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'FACT: VAMPIREDUDE SUCKS BLOOD OUT OF COCKS'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx, point in fact, unless we jetisson our supplies out into space, the earth retains them even after they are used'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'FACT: VAMPIREDUDE SUCKS COCK OUT OF COCK'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'well, there are chemical reactions'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'FACT: YOUR CHEMICAL REACTIONS ARE FAGGOTS'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'some of the metals, especially rare metals, cannot be reused'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'FACT: YOUR ASS CANNOT BE REUSED ONCE IT HAS BEEN SACRIFICED'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx even nuclear waste can be re-used.'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'of course, having enough energy and knowledge, you can construct any metal you want'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx if you would like to move back to the original topic?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'FACT: MY COCK IS MADE OUT OF HAQRDENED STEEL'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'ok, so metaphysics?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'vega, nah. your shit got touched by your uncle.'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'FACT: VAMPIREDUDE IS THE UNCLE WHO WILL MOLEST YOU'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'vega, nah. not quite. but hey. can you spot me 10 quid?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'FACT: VAMPIREDUDE LOVES TO SUCK THE UNDERAGE COCK'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'do you consider telepathy as metaphysics?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'no.'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'why? are youhearing voices?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'FACT: VAMPIREDUDE WILL BLOW YOUR 8 YEAR OLD SON'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'FACT: VAMPIREDUDE WILL FUCKING LOVE IT'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'good telepathy is simple human ability, now going through walls and other objects, will you call this metaphysics?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'perhaps, depending on the mode of transport'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'FACT: VAMPIREDUDE LOVES THE COCK IN HIS MOUTH AND THIS IS A FACT.'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'FACT: THE LAST FACT WAS A FCT'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: '+A'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: '-FAGGOTRLY'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if it does not actually go through walls, but through a collective unconcious on another plane,  for example'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'it is also simple ability - there are a lot of holes among atoms of each object'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'then yes. i would'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'FACT: VAMPIREDUDE STILL HAS DICKS IN HIS MOUTH'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but if itmerely passes through physical bounds like a radio wave might, then no. i would not'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'FACT: VAMPIREDUDE SUCKS DICKS LIKE A VAMPIRE DUDE WITH DICKS IN HS MOUTH'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'cmon, vega, you suck as much dick as vampiredude. give him a break'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mixcoatl: 'lol what set that vega person off?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mixcoatl, he got a blowjob from a xunti earlier...'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'so, you could pass through closed door or wall, this is just matter to know how to influence 'gapes' between atoms'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortboat Vega: 'FACT: VAMPIREDUDE ONLY SUCKS LITTLE DUDES'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Donquixote: 'lol?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'I am trying to show, that so called metaphysical things are just not-enough-developed-science'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mixcoatl: 'so someone from the xunti cult blew him and now he can stop talking about your love of cock? that makes sense i guess'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'andthat has whattodo with ethics'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'ethics is just term invented by people'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mixcoatl yes... well, they do have those ancient aztec secrets... getsome poison arrow frog lipstick and it drives vega wild'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'to protect themselves from unwanted (harmful to them) behaviour of other human'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx, a useful tenant in avoiding such unwanted advances... is to not declare war'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mixcoatl: 'youre not making any sense vd'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'it is like with 'lucky' and 'fatal' numbers: some countries say 7 is lucky, some that it is not'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'so, wars, what caused last war in Lybia?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'Libya, maybe end of French oil contract?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'communism'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'nah, communism, not in Lybia'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mixcoatl: 'your mother joke that went too far?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx google ' moammar qhaddafi'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'then google moammar qhaddafi communism'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'then come back'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'google per capita income for Libya'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'why?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you expect honest figures from that government?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'some dictators in arab countries are bad, and some not'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'really? what's an example of a bad decision?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'if you are dictator and just opress your people, it is bad (at least to opressed)'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx i heard that in india they had a caste based society where only the right families were wealthy'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i've heard china is thesame, and much of america'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'does that mean the poor are opressed?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'merely because they are not born into wealth?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'anyway, what have changed since last year or two? Was Khadaffi tyrant or not prior?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx qhaddafi was communist before and after. that's why we're after him'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'the rest is just the ' pretense''
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'he's an unfriendly marxist communist from a cold war era. that's why he's an enemy'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'he doesnt have enough allies to save himself, so we're removing him.'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'so economical and political reasons'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'no.'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'just political reasons.'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The politics of most countries IS economy'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'one might argue in a theocracy that moral and political reasons ought to be the same, or that in capitalism political and economic reasons should be related'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'anyway, still Gadaffi has support by his own nation'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but that's not to mandate that in all actions the primary driving force is one or the other'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they are seperate forces'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx yes, he does. '
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but both usa and iran want him gone'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I don't really care what you want to argue, the fact of the matter is US and most other countries' politics is DOMINATED by financial gains'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'no, its not'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'IIRC Saddam Hussein in Iraq was rather quick war'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you're trying to equate one definition of economic with another.'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Economics - having to do with the economy'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Only definition there is'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx yep, except that it was not a war according to either usa or iraq.'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'Amazing, USA I understand, but Iran? (I mean that they both in one time want the same is strange)'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and ... we still havent found the wmd's'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx what do you think iran wants ? '
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'regional hegemony?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'what do you think usa wants? '
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'hard to say, they are not arabs'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if they were arabs, what would you then assume they want?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'Iran are rather persian, and they have 'genetic' prejudice against arabs'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'really?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'everyone want to be rich'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'do they feel the same way about armenians or semites?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'how do they feel about chinese?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude peers intently at Trachx.
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'I don't know, but Israel is not very liked by arabs'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'well, since saudi arabia is a theocracy that makes sense'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'maybe those prejudices are remnants of past territories war'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'most theocracies don't like secular governments, andoften times secular governments don't like theocracies'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'the ussr hated religious institutions '
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'but USSR negated god existence'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx that might've made them unpopular in saudi arabia or afghanistan then'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude peers intently at Trachx.
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'IIRC, US forces in afghanistan takes a lot of electric energy from Iran'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx u.s. forces in afghanistan takes a lot of those surplus human beings you were talking about'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'anyway, Iran tries to construct atomic bomb, which is quite reasonalbe'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx no they don't'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they tryto develop their own enrichment program, for economic reasons'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'that also'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'think about it this way. right now usa buys a lot of technology from japan'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'but Israel has nukes'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if we couldproduce it locally, we have lessened our trade defecit'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'they assasinated some Iranians scientists'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'iran, is trying to limit its economic dependance on france andrussia, byenriching the uranium itself'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx, israelis also abducted american scientists a few times'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'still, Israel has great support in USA and USA depended countries'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'that's not to say it was sanctioned by israel's government'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'just that theose doing it happenedto be israelis'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'like Egypt (previous president was pro-USA), Saudi'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx being pro usa does not make you a good person'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'the former president appears to have run off with a lot of stolen gold'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'perhaps he was getting nice campaign donations from american companies too.'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'we don't know these things. butrunning off with stolen gold is bad for your public image'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'IIRC Gadaffi has left most of gold'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx qhaddafi maintains the moral high ground in the current effort.'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'so, you mean he did it on purpose?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'no. i mean that he maintains the moral high ground in the current effort'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'he was a properly elected servant of a democratic socialist country'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'they have tribes there'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'we're trying to remove him by force because we don't like his policy.'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'we don't live in libya. but we're involving ourself in the administration of a free democratic nation'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so... he has the moral high ground'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'anyway, those still are quite local conflicts'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'then why do we have our blackhawks there.'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'don't tell me you think it's libyans flying our helicopters'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'because they can get a good load of missiles'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'anyway, some consider next step will be Israel'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx don't kid yourself into thinking that we don't have armed forces active in that theatre'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'though it is hard to say who strikes first'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx the next step for whom? the usa?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx obviously it would be israel striking first.'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'Israel, Iran or one of Arab countries'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'iran hasnt been in the news for assasinating israelis .'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it seems pretty simple that someone willing to engage in covert assasination would be willingto initiate an overt armed conflict'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'so called six-day war won't happen again'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx being in a war a century ago doesn't give one the right toa ssasinate people who have nothing to do with it'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'otherwise native americans in the usa could assasinate obama'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or is the middle east somehow less civilized than the united states? if it's just middle eastern savages killing each otre... is the assasination less heinous?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'any wrestling fans?  i just watched this show called medium raw: night of the wolf about a serial killer in a asylum who turns out to be the psychiatrist behind the operation, and in the closing credit's is 'dedicated to our good friend, Andrew Martin' who was this wrestler called Test I remember from the WCW or WWF when i watched it, looked it up and it seems he passed away 2 years after Christ Benoit, who i also remember'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'is is another culture, just see what the woman's role is'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they say here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Martin and here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Benoit'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx the womens role?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ok, give me a for instance, what is the women's role in canada?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i hadn't paid much attention to wrestling the last decade, i'm surprised they cremated the remains before sending them home and that suicide by weight machine on the night of some champion ship match wasn't deemed suspicious'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil i got bored when chris jericho learned english'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx? well?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just caught my attention is all, pretty gross movie if you watch it'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'their rights'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'any lots spleens?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx answer me, you spoke about the women's role.... what is the women's role in canada?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and those wrestler's i remember having passed on, such a young age and what i just read about it'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil, ever played the game saturday night slam-masters?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nope'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil k.'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'to born children'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so your notion is that a women's role in canada, is to born children'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'I mean in Saudii Arabia woman cannot drive car'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oes that mean that in canada a woma ncannot have a tubal ligation?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'does*'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'I mean law is different for man and woman'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they were some alright characters in the wrestling show, always had the fan's attention'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx i asked you about 'canada''
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil any armpit claws?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i guess the people who made that movie musta been wrestling fan's'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that black woman chopping people up and stuff is morbid, makes me think twice about organ donation.. wouldn't want my body to be used in a hollywood prop'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx would it be easier if i asked you about poland?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'Canada seems quite good country to live in, still they usually don't take part in wars'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they sure make them SFX realistic these day's, sometimes it's tough to tell'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx, canada is in afghanistan with the u.s. forces'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'so Poland is, and many other countries'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so, did poland declare war?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i never planned on donating organs though, if they didn't serve me well i don't see why anybody else should get use out of them, i don't know if that's selfish or not, but it's my decision'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or are their troops just murdering afghans?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'still, it is 'peace' mission'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx so... polish troops just shoot people for practice... not part of a war?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'anyway, Poland take part in it for political goals'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'probably be cursed if they used them, just like me'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx ah. so its like, ' go shoot some afghans in their nifty hats for us, or we wont give you missiles to aim at the russians ' ?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'every 'peace' mission, where you get gun is not so peacefully as other want to be'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not against it, don't get me wrong, but i am against me being a part of it, like i wouldn't accept an organ donation from somebody else to live longer here'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'well, personally I am not afraid of russians'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'really?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'so Polish government is not also'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'then whydo they shoot the afghans for us'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they got an option where you can (or used to be able to) submit your own blood incase you need a transfusion, i might invest in that'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'do they.... hate them for their race?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'political correctness and money of course'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oh. so polish troops shoot afghans in their nifty hats.... for money?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'that seems like a silly reason to shoot human beings.'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'to be hones, polish troops do it for money'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Your mom does it for money.'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'do you believe that afghans are human beings? i know i heard that the germans felt jewish people werent '
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'afghans are blankets '
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic yes, and a type of hound'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'what my believings has to do with this?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'do you use ' perling' when you make an afghan?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm astonished at what people will do for money, i think i'd seek out the starving lot before a well-fed one knowing what goes into feeding themselves in most cases'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'a perl of great price eh?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'I don't support government on that case'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'also, I don't see point in taking polish troops into any conflict'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's not like it's rocket science to feed a bunch of animals, plant some seeds, chop them up and take your resources and drink water while building a house and shit'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'police forces - that's ok, army - it no no'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx shrug,i suppose if the polish politicians were paid enough, they'd have let stalin live in that warsaw cathedral'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil, build me a house.'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'corruption is very high in Poland'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx so if poland is corrupt... then perhaps they need to be the next libya'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but it's what you have to do to make ends meat, like pay outrageous land prices for owners not willing to sell and pay your taxes doing man's chores and buy your food from a market where man owns the price and says it's convenient he does it for you'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'perhaps the usa will invade and kill your current leader for you to end corruption'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's so convenient most people can't even afford a decent meal'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'there is no oil in poland'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'only coal'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx, and amber'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'america buys your amber.'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't care if most people can't afford a decent meal, i want to donate their plate to organized crime, god damn it'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'there were jokes, to attack USA and immediately surrender, to become 50th state of America'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx we already added hawaii'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: '(where obama was born)'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'shaddup you fools, shitbats flying to hell'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do you listen to the voices of your opponents in your head too?  or are those just what best characterizes them to you?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'anyway, Poland still can be 51st'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'as of to be afraid of Russia or any other country - there is one very simple solution'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'give gun to every person and force them to train'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'like Switzerland'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'no one would dare to invade such country '
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'to high losses'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'get me a new luxury automobile built by highly tweaked robotic machinery in an automation factory spread out across the world, stage 1.. stage 2.. stage 3.. with the odd person to press a button until they're replaced by machines to press it for them, fueled by the only industry where any money is found, the energy that fuels the machines that make the required thing's in life'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'though, government couldn't feel so safe in such case'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'machines will replace human one day'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'coincidentally the loans you owe the bank are all owned by the people who own the banks and the machines at the same time, who pay the wages of the people who are required to fetch the fuel, until superceded by machinery'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx, nice thing about soldiers...even if they revolt, they want to follow a leader'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'that's right, but most people are peacefully'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil, how do you become an owner rather than an owned? quit whining and tell us your solution'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'there is 20/80 rule, quite universal'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and most of the deeds people do to feel they earned somethin, is a crossword puzzle on a game of confusion built by those same people who are not worthy of all of the beggars in the world, yet make more of them every day'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'so 20% people is so rich like 80% others'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'so 20% people is so wise like 80% others, and so on'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that might not be possible on earth, but you can put a mirror up to the face of the mind's you hate and reflect upon your perfection of the enemy'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'it is capitalist dream: one day I have enough money not to work anymore'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'having the whole world deceived is the master plan, the unveiling that everybody's helpless against the machine is the wart at the end of the witches nose'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'money is devil toy since people developed debt (see money as a debt)'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx ah but the communists got rid of money remember?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'they were utopian people'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'are you saying that capitalists are not?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'still, if every person do everything she/he can do for greater good, it could make ideal world'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'the only difference is that in the soviet utopia the laborers were going to live inthe utopia supposedly...and in the capitalist utopia the capitalists were'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'capitalism is moder slavery'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'modern '
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the problem with an ideal world is that you need ideal people to live in it.'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx, in capitalism everything belongs to the state.    in communism everything belongs to the state'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'righs, so there is need to eliminat those not-ideal'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic not to worry, with theproper education,all people are the ideal citizens'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'heh, bullshit. people are people.'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and people will work ten times harder for themselves than they will for 'the good of the state' '
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic some students learn moreslowly. but that just means they need more time in class'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'open up your bible concordance and count how many time's the word incense is used in the bible, to appease the wrath or draw on the will of their LORD, as a sweet savour unto him.. is a cash incentive a strange twist on this religious practice applied to monopoly?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic that would imply an inverse amount of hard work if they were working for an ex wife, or to pay taxes for an unjust war'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'depends on if they're losing money on a percentage basis or off the top.'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic, they lose off of the gross.'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, I mean whether they're losing on a percentage of the gross, or whether it's 'everything over $x goes bye bye''
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its a percentage'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'in that sense'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'moses included the use of money in his book's, in ancient egypt, a man was his money'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'jesus upturned the moneychangers tables in the temple, but is said meeting with the spectre of moses and one other'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil so then if you are born without money... when do you become a man?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'puberty? or no puberty if you are in poverty?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'depends if there's any way to make money or not, once you turn to robbery after affording the schooling neccessary to get away with it'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'start small work your way up i guess, is there any work that'll pay the rent where you live available?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'say you're starting from the edge and clawing your way down'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'people tend to become rich in easy way '
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil, youdont answr questions well do you.'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx being born?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'people tend to choose the easy way on average, period. '
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there is no way to become a man of worldly wealth without inheriting it or being given it or resorting to crime, or being the lucky .001% of students who receive tuitions from high school to pay for university courses, while they still need second jobs there like college porn maybe'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so there's really no arguement for a man is his money, a man is somebody who doesn't resort to bullshit to be a slave to other men'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if you believe you cannot, then you cannot.'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'says in the bible, serve none but god alone, that's also impossible here if you plan on surviving'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If you believe you can, you probably also can not :)'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it also depends on your definition of wealth. Is it food on the table and a roof over your head?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'is it a private jet and mansions?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Wealth = other people put your socks on'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'one is attainable and is more than many have had. But if you're so busy looking at your neighbour who has slightly more than you that you forget how much you do have, then you'll always be dissatisfied.'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'food on the table and roof over head = static survival, what you do to receive your food and earn your roof = decreasing amounts of opportunity excluding being independent from those around you'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'no man is an island :P'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'everyone is dependent on those around to some extent, even the genuinely wealthy'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and wow, i can survive another day to earn my survival for another day, is there much of a point to this existance?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hell no'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what's the point to a wealthy existence either? you end up in the same place at the end. worms.'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's being in jail without physical bar's where every luxury is beyond reach unless you resort to crime'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'again, it depends on your definition of luxury'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if it depends on paying someone to put your socks on, then yes, probably is.'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'But they would stretch out my socks. And what good would my socks do me on someone else's feet, anyway?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the class divide should be destroyed and the rich prove themselves worthy of life like everybody who is more worthy than them has been ignored'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'your society's based on darwinism, and science, and you listen to nothing but economics'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's like the shield of the righteous of the christian faith inverted to the shield of the devil of the economy's faith'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Heh, you must be kidding.  Religion is still a MAJOR force.'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'jhav, religious associations are.... religious belief not as much'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'jhav you know that yusef guy from the bible's brothers misplaced him?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and how when that mohammed guy in the quran was asked about it he explained how later when it was that ben guy's turn josephs father didnt want to lose him too'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'heh, what makes you more worthy than them? fact: life is unfair. some people will always be born with more than others, whether it's talents/skills or family inheritance.'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and they said not to be afraid, because they were a strong group?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'religous associations have men who are 'brothers in christ' regardless of their beliefs.'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic i was born with more talent than  you, but that's not to say it determines my fate'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it takes more than an accident of birth to make you succesful in life'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'arguable. '
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'to the previous statement, not to the current statement'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic, i know a lot of rich people and people whose families were rich but declined.'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'talent in general is ill-defined'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'How humble and well-spoken you are, VampireDude.  And so reasonable, too.'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they are not what i would call succesful'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I agree with you there. I was responding to the previous statement :P'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'one has two daughters and over 800k in the bank apart from his large house and cars'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'to me, i would call that fairlysuccesful'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but i think contentment and not fearing the loss of that money is important too... '
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oh. ok'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'what would you like to argue?'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'egocentric statements such as 'me > you' are a poor way to debate anyway.'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic using ' i ' statements is important if you wish to avoid wounding fragile egos'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it depends on which 'i' statement you make.'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic, nah, it depends on who has the most fragile ego =)'
T3/r4/2011-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(from tech -- this is the bs channel):  when the USA intends spending a trillion dollars on something, many of those intending to siphon off monies are (idiomatically?) already ready with their call girls on speed-dial'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quintosh: 'ok'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'So, babies?'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quintosh: 'didnt you ever see the movie with the little babies, it's said you are born with all the knowledge of the world and that it's only after talking to other people namely adults that you forget all that you know'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sybacco: 'Rawr! '
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'No, I didn't see it. Also, it doesn't make much sense to me.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'Also, as an adult, I keep learning things. I don't know if I also forget much.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quintosh: 'hmm do you really learn things, or does your brain trick you into thinking you've learnt things'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'Er.. I'm studying in an university. I learn to do new things. I didn't know how to do them before.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quintosh: 'how do you know you didnt know how to do them, maybe the knowledge was inate in you and just took some time to come to the surface'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sybacco: 'knowledge isnt finite though'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'That sounds suspiciously like predetermination. I'm fated to be a computer scientist, so I go to an university to have an excuse for knowing this stuff.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sybacco: 'human knowledge is ever expanding...only Deities have all-knowledge'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'You mean like Lasher?'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cizra winks suggestively.
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sybacco: 'um...'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quintosh: 'hmm yes it's kind of nerve racking to think that some almight being or fate reached down from up high and said let cizra be a computer scientist, let quintosh get a tp in his next quest, etc.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'How do you know that you know anything about knowledge?'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Maybe you don't know what you think you know about knowing things.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quintosh: 'lol'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sybacco: 'well, for every 1 thing that i do know there are 100+ other things that i do not'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quintosh: 'for every 1 thing i know, there are 100 things ill pay someone else to do'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'iOS shits all over android... discuss'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'I have never owned a cellphone'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'hipster'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'neither had I until my mother nagged me into getting one because of my habits of driving junkers'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'you driver a german WWII airplane ?'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'down the interstate'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'like a boss'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yep, chicks dig it'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'linux has been the next BIG thing about to take over the world for the last 18 years'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sybacco: 'linux is cool. ive used red hat.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I have a black baseball cap'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sybacco: 'sweet'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'i have used every major dist, some proffesionally'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sybacco: 'i kinda liked solaris too'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Slowaris'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sybacco: 'heh. yep.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'solaris is slow but you cant kill it'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I think Mac OS is the best of the lastest Unix-derivatives. It has more viruses tailored for it.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'lol interesting evaluation of 'best''
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'name one'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Actually, MacOS _is_ UNIX'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'yawn macOS is FreeBSD 4.5 moddded by apple'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Ranrr: so is linux, but MacOS isn't linux.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'linux is not unix, but MacOS is (i.e. UNIX certfied'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I like Windows the best *ducks*'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'windoews server 2008 woks'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I use 7, but I'm dual booting 8 for some testing'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Vakieh, you work at MS?'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'windows server is a long shot away from desktop versions'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Nope, but my uni gets precopies of 8, and I TA for a class that needs it'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I like windows, except for work or home usage'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I run windows mobile on my washing machine.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I like non-windows OSes, except for gaming.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'bare-bones, but enough to see how it handles legacy'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Oh, wait, my primary computer usage is gaming.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'linux can play most games on wine'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'my workplace runs winXP on scales used to weigh cheese and olives for retail sales, LMAO'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I like to game on linux, I play this awsum game called aardwolf'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'and some games run native, like heroes of newerth'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Yeah, if you have a gpu 3x what raw Windows would require'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'actually that statement is wrong'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'in linux, you need a cpu 3x stronger than windows, not gpu'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'yeah cause the games market drives OS sales... not corprate contracts'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'you can usually escape with a weaker cpu in most cases'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sybacco: 'i liked win 2k...never used server though'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'and gpu is definitely not a problem in gaming'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'So, basically, with the same box, I can run some game I've never heard of, or run a program to fool my games into thinking it's windows... Or I can just run windows.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'nobody games on PCs anymore anyway, everyone uses a console'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'or you can save hundred dollars from the windows license'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'and buy a stronger cpu?'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'i own a console... i have a PS1'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Totally, Ranrr, that's why Steam is making so much money.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Server give me the shits... My work runs it's photo services via a server w/2008...clunkiest POS for EVERYTHING bar network services'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I got my windows license for 30.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Who is Steam?'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'student?'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: '30$ still goes a long way for the processor'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Still has the forwarding.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'On my email addy.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'unlike gpus which cost insane prices, but usually gpu is not the problem'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'high demand games usually work fine with recommended requirements, like MMOs'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'See, here's the thing.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'If I was getting a NEW computer.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Your arguments might have merits.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I run a quad core .8...currently my lack of a SSD is my biggest concern'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'lol... if you were using a dirt old computer... windows won't run on it'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'damn colourset... @2.8, I mean'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'so you must be in the middle'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'someone with a computer but weak cpu'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'but not dirt old'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Actually, my CPU's still pretty good.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'quad core?'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon nods.
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'I made the mistake of buying a quadcore too early, which really limits me on many games. Quite a lot of games are still singlecore.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Which is about standard for non top of the line.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I am yet to see any application fully utilize my quad core - most I've seen is 3 in use'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'tell me a game that needs more than a quad core to run windows games on linux, hell, i can even play COD 4 MW2 on my AMD athlon X2, and its 5 years old'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'See, you're still running into an issue.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If you need the game to support the CPU, why do you have an OS?'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'what issue?'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I can either tell my computer to pretend it's running windows... Or just run windows.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Since 7 isn't bloatware...'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'tell 1 core to run linux and then the other 3 can run windows'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Anyone remember the good old days when you ran games without an OS, just boot the directly from a floppy (on a PC) ?!'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'but the desktop environments in linux have more functionality, multitouch works more smoothly, and don't need antivirus'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Yup, Ranrr.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'lol how the fuck is win7 NOT bloat ?'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'win 7 is bloat'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'Having 1 of your quadcores for your OS all the time is pretty nice though, I've got this a little over 3 years now, and I can't recall a single instance where the OS itself froze on me. And that's using Vista, apparently the devil of OSs. '
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sybacco: 'yeah, it is'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'unless you disable aero'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'amiga geeks'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Vista is the harbinger of the apocalypse'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'One second here while I pull up my listing of all programs and their memory space.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'hodor, my vista died on me twice, both times during official windows updates'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'win7 supports all the previous API's ie bloat'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'that takes ram and disk space, ie bloat'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sybacco: 'my blackberry keeled over during an official update'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'you can't run win7 smoothly with 1gb ram'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'I had a problem with a windows update and the antivirus that came pre-installed. (Panda)'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'but with linux, 512mb works well'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'So, all the memory taken up by win7 right now is... about 250Mb.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Who has 1gb ram? Fork out a buck and get yourself another gig o.O'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'i ran dos with 640k ram, and it supported my major app: DOOM'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'who needs windows, reject the license and have 8gb ram'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: '-.-'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Oh, wait, missed something. Make that 375MB'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So long as mine can run both Aardwolf and Skyrim, simultaneously (alt-tabbing for quests) I will be happy :-P'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Githerax: 'hear hear Vakieh'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'how the fuck does an OS need 4GIG of ram... look up what an OS is'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Of course, MUSHclients mem leaks are disturbing...'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Up for 2 days, 285meg of memory'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There are other clients....'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'I own a higher end PC because I like to play computer games, so it runs Windows, with Steam. Yeah I could fiddle with Linux and Wine but overall the few extra bucks that makes the machine run well on a nonoptimized OS are greatly outweighed by the fact that all the games are made for that OS. '
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I let it run for a fortnight once, and it was hogging 5 gig :-)'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'i want to comment on the 1gb statement, many netbooks have only 1gb ram just fyi'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'My netbook runs fine.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'wait till desura for linux comes, or onlive gaming'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'My client takes 4M of ram. (tt++)'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'If you're expecting a netbook to be a great gaming computer, what drugs are you on and where can I buy them?'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I like my plugins, though'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Yeah, netbooks are for hipsters and people with small backpacks'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'my netbook can run crysis, its an acer ferrari one 200, but of course on minimum settings'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I use a netbook as a server'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'My netbook I use largely for note-taking and a larger portable music player.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nice to have battery backup and a keyboard/screen on it.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'I am very skeptical about Onlive. The internet is not made for that, and the latency effects are significant.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Oh, and the internet pretty uch everywhere.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'As I don't live in the US, Onlive is most likely irrelevant to me, in a practical sense'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Hey, when did debate turn into tech?'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'We are debating tech?'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'When someone started OS wars.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon peers intently at Xiuhtiacapan.
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: '0.1 second is significant?'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon peers intently at Xiucozcatl.
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'one thing i can tell about linux is that it has come a long way, when compared to windows and can only get better'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'we know windows sucks ass every alternate release, so windows 8 is coming out soon'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I'll be honest. I do like linux. I will likely do a lot of work in linux, largely because most of the physics/astro community uses linux.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I even like its philosophy.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nowadays, there is really nothing I miss in linux.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'But, in practice, gaming is not going to make the change to linux outside of indie projects.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Windows 8 'looks' ok, it seems they have taken on board the alternate-releases-suck opinion, but there are serious multi-touch issues (that I have not experienced) as well as your basic 'what was wrong with 7''
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'However,m when I am forced to use windows, I feel as my hands are tied behind my back.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Not until the masses stop buying windows and start buying linux, and while games are for windows they're not going to do that. Until something breaks the cycle, it's a catch-22.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Windows comes with no applications.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'like onlive gaming?'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: '0.1 seconds is significant on it's own in many genres (Like fighters) but the internet is not a stable thing. There are lagspikes, there are peak hours where bandwith is limited. Multiplayer games have to do significant tricks to keep games from desynching. Pressing a button and having nothing happen then dieing is pretty frustrating (Everyone who has played an MMO can attest to this)'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Like a compiler.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Okay, there I'm with you Ranrr.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Eclipse and mingw handle that for me - though I do wish there was a default'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'i can't believe they made it so that you have to pay to change your wallpaper in windows 7 starter'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'compared to apt-get install gcc, getting a dev enironment in windows is very complicated.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'wtf? Glad I got Professional via Dreamspark for free :-P'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'is os war common in aard?'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'only when the linux people get riled up }:>'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Mac/Windows is a laugh, tbh.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'But nobody's dumb enough to get into it.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'Never bet on people not being dumb enough'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'mac/windows?'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'besides the price, i think mac is rather reasonable'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, at least OSX gives you access to all linux programs as well as compilers }:>'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'functionality wise, mac > windows, even for some professional programs'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'and pretty much virus resistant'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'i dun like windows because most of my friends who are on windows keep asking me for help with their computer, often after surfing some shady website'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'i ask them, why did you click... they said, cuz they wanted to watch the videos.. -.-'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'with linux or mac, usually these problems hardly occur'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'most of that problem is in the fact that over 90% of the worlds PC are windows, and over 95% of those in the hands of casual users are. There are some legitimate problems with access, specifically in older windows versions.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'but linux is so much easier to fix, even if someone deliberately sends you a virus'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'because you get to access the system files'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'but windows is so protected, you need to actually format your system to ensure its clean'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'for mac, just go to the store and get a new one'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'i must confess that apple customer service is superior to many other retailers'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'They charge a lot for that don't they?'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'yea, but apple care does wonders'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'i suppose if you have too much money, you can make use of it'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'MeisterP: Given that they pretty much require all hardware problems be fixed by sending it to them...'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'Actually, I think Apple outsources a lot of repairs, though they do replace broken stuff early'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'i went to mac store, saw a genius, he asks whats wrong, i say charger isn't working, within 5 seconds, i get a new charger and go home'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'now that is quality service'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'and that is after i busted the charger because it was under the blanket and overheated'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'dutch consumer protection laws make hardware failures a lot easier to deal with... precedent law basicly says that computers parts need to last 2 years'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'but that can mean people not taking care of their products as well, incurring losses to the companies'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'such as blocking the cpu fan, etc.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'if stuff is damaged through negligence, you won't get a refund/repair for free'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'how can they proof its negligence'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'usually signs of mishandling'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'dont pee in the fan exhaust'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'its impossible to ensure that a laptop is scratch free for life'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'cough :  "normal wear and tear"'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'i wonder how well aard rules are enforced based on personal politics, lol'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ol' Dirty Fiendish sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'yeah it's a weighty issue'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '236 179 300 = amount the population of canada spending 7 dollars in non-gas taxes in a day results in, 86 205 444 500 - a year-long exercise announced in the March 22 budget which will eventually trim $4 billion from $80 billion in annual program spending. = 10 205 444 500 dollars not spent on public program's, paid for by the public http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2011/09/20/harper-cuts-consultant.html owned by a belgian-austrian prince and several foreign people, telling the government how to spend their money with an optional 1 year extension after march, makes you wonder why politicians are hired in the first place, and if this is part of a uprooting of the government'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'add in gas taxes and half a pack of cigarettes (13 bucks) for 8 million people and that's at least double in a year'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we need advice from belgian austrian princes from manhattan on how to spend public resources in canada'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'fuckin stupid'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what about the interest paid on the national debt -- that is a free-ride paid to somebody at the taxpayers expense'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's what harper was attending the yankees game for'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'imo, hey we're going to tell you how to best save money for 90,000 dollars a day, will we save you 91,000 in a day?  probably not unless that year extension is used'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Harper requires somebody to blame later - perhaps the belgian austrian princes'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'get rid of the pesky government abstraction and rule the world openly, i guess'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're bothering to pretend like they're working on a process for it instead of saying how it is though, like always'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we're pretending very hard here, so hard that we earn 9 billion dollars a day annually by our fine doing nothing actor's who we say to tell you we're doing something'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when the NDP wants to spend more monies on the poor while raising the deficit and the national debt, the NDP is actually working for those collecting interest on the National Debt'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'make like russia and install a state-run oil industry, that should pay off the national debt in a week'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'after seizure, pay-off's and kiss my asses'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'morons can't even run their own country correctly, must be somebody holding a gun to their head, 38 million people in canada, figure that to the richest country in the world with over a billion'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'second largest land mass'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like hell there's not enough resources here and few enough people that this country shouldn't be telling the world what to do by their banker resource rules'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if i took over this bitch i'd close all foreign trade immediately and revoke every foreign investor'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'dual citizenship shouldn't exist'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'peoples whos ass isn't situated on a piece of land shouldn't own it'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'you don't need to nationalize the oil businesses, just tax them more'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'we've got a system where there's low tax on 'normal' profits, and once the profit exceeds a certain level (= oil prices are high), the tax jumps to 80%'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's more oil produced here than 10 canadian populations could consume in a day'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'for civilian things and businesses here'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'saudi arabia sure has nice crisp black pavement all over the place, how does the state manage to make sure all the car's on the streets are at least worth 30,000 each for a photo shoot?'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'they spend all their money as it comes in and don't plan for the future?'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nothing like that in canada, and i'm skeptic about population per distribution of proportion of oil in a day ratio's, most of canada's oil is pilfered by foreign governments like that'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and that's why canada's in debt, cause it printed so many bills for later'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If you remember the oil prices during the .com boom, you may also recall that near the bottom, the Saudi regime was some months from serious cash flow problems'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that is an interesting point'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I saw a study recently where since the Reagan election, all over the OECD there was a correlation between growth rates and debt (higher debt -> lower growth rate)'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'granted, correlation is the most flimsy type of science there is, but it does make sense'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'before the next war start's, each warring side should sacrifice their advising ruler's first, put them businessmonkeys on the front line's to take the bullets before the people they deceived and lived off of'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's a dollar?  it was worth a meal 100 years ago'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'higher debt means more interest monies flowing to those that are not contributing anymore '
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'fools gold'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, I keep typing it on my alts'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'mis :P'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the world bank was never targetted by terrorists, was it?  leaves them open to funding them with their debts'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'business strategy in the debt market and exposable monkey war's'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'increased taxcuts means more monies attempting to find locations to earn more monies, resulting in investments in risky unsafe derivatives and eventual financial collapse'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'live in poverty, you nation that provides more minerals than any other and has less of a population than the one who you import everything you buy from'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'live off the welfare cheque of the world bank, you have no place in providing for yourself unless you do so through us - world bank'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'kiss my ass - russia, what's a ruble? - world bank'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'sarcasm is lost on the weary mind'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'sarcasm is rejecte by the greedy mind'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i like that about russia, i'll give them that much - they build their own war machine's, airplanes, computers, software'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'value their own dollar among their population, and manage to remain uninfiltrated by the CIA'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'canada imports everything it sells in walmart'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lol'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how do people afford to buy it?  mystery the whore'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the trouble with sarcasm is that the message is lost on those that do not comprehend the sarcasm, especially if the sarcastic pundit is clueless incompetent and merely a blowhard seeking an audience'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i have deaf ears for the monopoly man on the business news too, he's always a sarcastic fool acting like what he's talking about has anything to do with reality'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some of those financial advisors on tv earned a lot of money fooling their audiences with their incompetent advice'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'of course, this is no world for honesty, rich men make the best politicians'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you have to at least be a multi-billionairre to run most nations'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'People don't want to hear the truth. They want to hear what they want to hear.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'In order to tell different people what they want to hear, it is necessary to lie.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'QED. :D'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people who need to be lied to are treated as children and under a santa clause delusion'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'those people in ethiopea probably don't like to have bowls stretching their lower lips with spoons in their earlobes'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I heard Ron Paul said US behaviour abroad was contributing to people not liking the US, and got booed by the audience?'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and he's absolutely right, but they don't want to hear it.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's easier to shoot people and step on land mine's for bullshit lies than to describe things how they are'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'when people come over here and keep saying 'but in my country we', we tell them to fucking go back there. Then we go abroad and do the same thing.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'But that's okay ... because we're just the best. USA USA USA.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'm being a bit sarcastic, but really :P'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'moses led his people out of captivity and invented at least 50 verses detailing the practices of owning slaves in depth'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Sure Druzil, because when you're climbing the ladder, you don't turn around and give the guy behind you a hand, you step on his hand and then kick him in the face.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i have nothing against the cia btw, except what people say some of them do, like a brother of a guatemalan fruit corporation using the media to rally the post-ww2 troops over a soviet threat while it was only the brothers company being taken out of government'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some of Ron Paul's views are speculative and likely grossly defective '
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that was around the time when syphillis was studied as a cure for various things'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'You can't really find a human without defective views in some point. :P'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Ron Paul is rather optimistic about what would happen without any gov't funded healthcare and pensions'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'but apart from that he seems to be rather ahead of the others when it comes to making sense'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I agree 100%'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as long as you keep that attitude, your children's family trees will be at risk of going extinct with vengeance forever'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'back and forth, keep on with the stupid world government, you're all going to die anyway'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people get things done cause people do things for them'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they go against their will for money and hostage situations'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'brainwashing is a good tool to use for making them go against their will without hostages'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mm, they don't like me cause my car isn't new, time to do what i wouldn't do for money for a new car, then i can be like the idol on television'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'brainwashed fool, seeking vampiric support on the ladder of meta-life, where everybody lives forsaken by everybody else'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's no feelin quite like it in the world, i have no feelings but want to eat more meat, god bless dead animals'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you leave it in the sun for awhile it'll cook itself and also be digested'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i lost my sentimental values the last time i went to work'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the rest of my life is stress relief, you are a casualty of having a new RV every summer'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when opinions are corrupted by vitreolic invective based on exaggerated fictions, the fool wannabe demagogue uttering them remains mostly clueless incompetent and unlikely to be taken seriously'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yes, i believe the world is ran by bugs too'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'necro the jewish rapper likes to talk of forced prostitutes who get shipped to bosnia and are never heard from again'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he's from a new york family'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's the kind of thing's people support by using money to exchange good'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sell yourself to money and your daughter might be next'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'fund somebody to raise a black flag over there and send your son to kill himself for a medal of honour'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there was no other work, we import all of our products'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'being in the army opens the doors to all kinds of opportunities, like having opportunities'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you shoot a real evil man though, you're a sinner'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i was just shootin the end product of a brainwashed population of enslaved people, much like myself, who believed what my sergeant said'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'end of the world and death looks good, i believe this world's lifeforms will be tortured to death in ever increasing velocities and everything you held dear will lose all of it's values'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'better to die for nothing than contribute to corruption'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this corruption must put on incorruptibility - bible'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'dying for nothing contributes to the cause of this worlds death'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'still, you are aware of fact, that for a half of year (or something around that) you work for government'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'i.e. all your income is spent on government as taxes'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'the rest of year you work for yourself'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't work for the government at all, and i don't purchase very much'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'i.e. if you pay taxes you work for government'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'if you buy something with tax, the same as above'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'paying taxes is how the government works for itself'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'though indirectly, but still - you work on goverment (or rather government lives on you)'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's right, the government is the richest people in the world, behind the world bank's owners'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and their work was being born into a wealthy family and being told their purpose in life'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'anyway, would you like to be rich?'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'so you can only be sorry for that people'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if there's no honest way to make a living in this world then there's no point in trying'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'all depends how you understand 'honest''
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think of starving children when my stress level drops to a certain point and then feel a little better about doing nothing with my life'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'your children are starving?'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'piles of stinking corpses in mass graves and stuff'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'that's terrible'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't have any, but i'm sure somewhere in the future they'd be worse than dead if they were to exist'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'might as well let them die with a pure soul that never existed'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'so I don't understand, you are not responsible for other people actions'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'children are not just found or given'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'it requires some man's action'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's right, but people removed nature and told me there's no way for me to survive'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'if you believe liars, that is your problem'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't even believe myself most of the time'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'if you want pure nature go to one of African countries'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they got lots of sand and poisoned water'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, the ultimate skeptic'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's not natural'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'some of them yes, but some of them are just like paradise'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'still there are countries where you can live of fishing '
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'without governments controlling everything'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'here i need a permit for that, and only so many per day, otherwise i'm an outlaw not paying my taxes'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can freely eat trash from a macdonalds dumpster though'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nom nom nom'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most of the fish are eaten by parasites though, like the animals mutated with pesticides'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'well, if you prefer to be in your country, so I think it is all OK ?'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'groundwater will give you the flu'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'you can show many problems'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'still it is only because you like your current way of life'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i couldn't leave if i wanted to, and all the other countries are filled with killers and the same shit, if there's any quality of life to be had, they're selling it'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'what stops you?'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'why you cannot leave?'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the thought of cutting somebody's throat sometimes'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's un-nerving'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'you mean you want to cut somebody's throat?'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i guess it's possible if i had to, but some people find that stuff fun and i'm not like them'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'the other people might not like it'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, cannibalism is illegal in most parts of the world'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if humans are the only animals to eat what am i left with'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'better to just starve to death, and i can do that here'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'there are not a lot of animals that eat themselves'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's not alot of wildlife that isn't in fences, and that's only a few species'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'there is a lot of wildlife, just not in your country'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not like the old day's when you could walk around with your nuts hanging out and shoot parrots for a living'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'by shot you mean using bow?'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'how old are these old days you're talking about? :P'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, or those blow darts'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, druzil's is one of the countries with the most wildlife left'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'polar bears hunt back though :D'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'canada?  not really, where i live is all fenced off and either grain fields or cow's'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'where you live...'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and if i went around cow hunting by leading them off of the private property onto government municipalities, i would be charged'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'but in Canada you have trees and a lot of cold, right?'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and if you lived 500 yrs ago, you'd get charged for poaching if you decided to hunt instead.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'so, you didn't used poisonous darts (curare)'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's all about going to the supermarket with a taxicab or a automobile and buying some groceries from the shelves and saying i earned my keep'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i sold some crack to a monkey and robbed his bannana's while he was chasing my crack'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'fuck that, only way to get ahead in this world is through organized crime'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'everybody i see who has money is a criminal in my eyes'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'just like aardwolf, anyone you beat in a gq is a nub and anyone who beats you is a bot'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they are bots'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'haha :D'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'lol'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'sorry delayed response'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'to druzil's nonsense'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'wtb triv spellup potion'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'barter you mean'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no i'm scared of barter'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'how much'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i'll offer 100 gold'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i'll sell you one for 500k'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is apostasy to a religion worthy of death?'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what if you never said you're a member of it, does saying so make you one?'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'meat heads'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I don't think you're going to get anyone to argue that apostasy is worthy of death, so this should be a short debate :)'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'seems alot of people think it is worthy of death, do you speak for alot of people?'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'but do those people play aard?'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i just seen an archangel burning in hell and he told me to follow him, and that i should tell you that we should all die for this'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'probably, you're evil people'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'my vision will be your god as i conquer the world'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't believe in religion, you believe in psychology though, what do you think is the basis of mass-murder?'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I would love to continue this, but some reeds in the fens just rejected in the miracle of grow, and must die for that'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'bassis of mass murder is clearly double'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'unicorned cyclopses'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all the entertainment on tv's about whores, retards, liars (all liars) and murder'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you must be getting to some conclusion with this '
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'yeah there is a lot of bad stuff on tv, but I'm not sure what to make of it. How about you?'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'somebody told me yesterday that all the minerals in the average human body add up to about 5.95 us dollar's'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what makes one pile of shit greater than another?'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) -|Cabal|- Hodor: 'there is a QI segment on that, I don't recall the total outcome, but it was pretty low. Selling organs is potentially pretty lucrative though.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i make all kinds of thing's out of it, the world's like a talking face of satan's imagination divided by god with a covering of vulnerabilities, like eyeballs and hearts and veins'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'volcanoes'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm into bad metaphors though, it might be from some philosophy books i read'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is satan really god's imaginary friend?'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's pretty good, turns out god fuels satan's spiritual body that moves all of the enemies of god against god's other fueled angel bodies through monkey skins and animal hides'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's some movies about that'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i met some people had their organ's removed for somebody else, it's a big business in B.C i guess'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some places in the world no news comes from, and you're a missing person from the other side of the world beaten until they're ready to harvest their guts to send to some childrens hospital'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's some movies about stuff like that'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not much more to life than shooting somebody in the head'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's what it's all about, the guy with the gun'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all the other details are just nothing's, it's about the end that matters'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why people bother to go out without a fight is beyond my understanding, but meat puppets is one theory people have come up with to reason it out for me'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'fits into my alien schizophrenic god theories'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'only thing stopping the toughest man on earth from falling into the dirt is a hole in the head, you see'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but man, he sure thinks he's invincible'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'if you value the ability to continue living to an exclusion for all other things, you really shouldn't be playing this game, because whether its a hole in the head or heart disease, you're just as dead'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'so go get on a treadmill and find a cave and buy some kevlar'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'whoever kills me will be dead, if there's an afterlife i get to hold it against them'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i look forward to dying, it's god to me'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil. your aborted children will get there first and lay a trap for you'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'your death is my god too, we have that in common'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you might worship some life after death, but it's the end of this place that matters most'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'evil people think i'm evil because i laugh when they destroy eachother'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no, i just think that's great, seeing them go down'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i had to watch them be up didn't i?'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'standing up there laughing at the suffering of everybody who's down because they're up'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i just love when they die, it's like sex for me'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, it's the closest thing you'll have, anyway'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, i see nothing pretending to be something when i look at a woman'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and a man who pretends to come from a woman when i look at a man'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all are lies'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, haven't looked at many women if you don't see pretending'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'spoken by the meathead satan'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I thought Michael was the meathead'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'satan might be a woman's vagina that speaks as her second mouth and pours blasphemy onto the world, if it wasn't for her you would not be'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's some drawings about that'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'does it feel like we are starting a double dip recession?'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I'm paying 25k for every genuine  response'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'no.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: '2s for ur money'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'yes'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rolst: 'i really dont think we are yet but we very easy could slide back'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: '2 no's and a yes'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saarnash: 'yes i do.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'a what?'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saarnash: 'and what's sad is half of them don't see it. nor do they care'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'see wat ?'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'nm'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rolst: 'well where i am at we were never hit really hard by the recession the base and hospitals always kept the jobs up pretty good'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saarnash: 'indiana got hit really hard. people i know are moving to different states because jobs are better.'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'lol the only people who eat regualarly in much of africa are the army'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'so i'm sensing an equal split.  cool, thx.  still 2s if anyone wants their 25k'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rolst: 'where i am from in mississippi is real bad also i talk to people back there and im glad im here with steady work'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'where i am, you get $425 weekly in UE bennies, so nobody wants to work a tough job'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rolst: 'its the same in georgia also'
T3/r4/2011-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saarnash: 'seems most of the jobs are going towards the west...'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'is there a moral obligation to report a felony, or just a legal one?'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'generally moral obligations are more strict than legal obligations (for someone with morals, anyway)'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Morality is subjective, however.'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ryke, but... what about reporting?'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Research 'mandatory reporting''
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'don't ask/don't tell is officially repealed :-)'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so go ahead and tell'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'vakieh, fail.'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i mean reporting a felony someone else commited.'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'is it a felony that you think was wrong'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'sigh...mandatory reporting, which you would know if you could work google, is the obligation to report felonies if witnessed or having been informed about'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he isn't asking about legal requirements, read the initial post'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'vakieh, mandantory reporyting,  as i just googled, appears to give a first link to the california bar association, then some shrink links and nursing for elderly people'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'He was asking about both moral and legal'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'vakieh yes . i was'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If you are a child services worker who DOESN'T report a felony, you are guilty of one, due to MANDATORY REPORTING'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but i was geared more towards the moral'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as worded, he gave legal as a given and was asking strictly about moral'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'as there is already apparently no legal requirement according to the fbi guy i talked to'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Decide your own morals'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'vakieh, that's like saying ' use common sense''
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Exactly'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'people arent born with common sense and morals.'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'other wise why would we need laws to begin with'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'of course we aren't...we get those from MUDs'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If you take on someone elses morals, you have none of your own - decide what you think is best and run with it'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seriously, Salvanas: 'Yep, we were formed of MUD, and to the MUD we will return.'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seriously, Salvanas: 'Um, wait a minute...'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Successful troll is successful.'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hmn. well'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'vakieh, basically, you're saying you have no morals, so i should ask elsewhere'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I have my own. They are mine, and I will tell you if you like, but YOU need to think of what YOU think is the right thing to do, and why'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You want stock morals? Get religion'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so tell me'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Really? Lol...see someone killing? stop it/report it - see someone stealing bread, with a starving child next to him? I'd probably go give him some food'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You need me to do more of your thinking for you?'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mittenless Kittenbane: 'I don't have to worry about any of that. I'm an atheist, and everyone knows we don't have morals.'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Gorsk is agreeing with that Mittenless Kittenbane person again...
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Atheists are the only ones WITH morals, everyone else is just looking out for their sould'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'souls*'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'i sold my soul on ebay...'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dire Wolfe: 'For how much?'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: '40 pieces of silver :)'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mittenless Kittenbane: 'was the shipping free?'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'included'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dire Wolfe: 'Oh, just wondered what the going rate was. Was that including shipping?'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'wolfe... as a foreigner, do you feel like its not your place to report felonies if you have knowledge of them?'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i wish there were a web forum with free moral or legal advice.'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'www.jesus.com'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The two are very seperate...'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'there are. google for them.'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'fiendish the legal sites i've found werent free'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dire Wolfe: 'The trick is finding a site that agrees with what you already want to do. Shop around.'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mittenless Kittenbane looks at Dire Wolfe and goes "Heh."
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mittenless Kittenbane: 'like religion, then?'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dire Wolfe: 'yep'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'kittenbane the religious sites i've found were free'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Religion comes with a set of morals ready to be crammed down your throat. It's standard.'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ryke, thats not true at all'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: '(In most models)'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dire Wolfe: 'That's unusual. Jesus usually has a 900 number nowadays.'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Actually, it is'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav grabs The Lord Jesus Christ's lifeless corpse and exclaims "My love!"
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'wolfe, your own...personal... jesus? like the cash and manson song?'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'One reason I like Discordianism is that it doesn't really come with morals.'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'It comes with a lot of random, mostly.'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dire Wolfe: 'Oh god, so young. Yes that was Marilyn Manson's song. No-one else performed it first.'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'And there is partaking of no hot dog buns.'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'jhav, k. so how would you deal with it, if you had knowledge of a felony ? would you report it?'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tharnin snickers with Dire Wolfe about their shared secret.
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav grins evilly at Rascally Ryke.
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I actually like the whole concept of buddhism, I do hope that's real'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dire Wolfe: 'What, 'life is misery'?'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Hmmm?  Depends on the circumstances, as do most things.'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Eat a lot and get fat?'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'This is the worst existence ever gets, is how I interpreted it :-P'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'That would be comforting.'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mittenless Kittenbane: 'I like the concept of Taoism. we're all going to die eventually, so just live your life and don't worry about it, and try not to be a dick in the meantime.'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'That's quoted directly from the Taoist Handbook'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mittenless Kittenbane: 'Tao of Pooh.'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It's part of their motivational posters series :-P'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'That book is cute.'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dire Wolfe: 'I'm not going to die. I fully intend to embrace posthumanism when the singularity hits.'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mittenless Kittenbane: 'I'll wait for 2.0'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dire Wolfe: 'Eh, I'll get to see the early beta'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'But think of the bugs.'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mittenless Kittenbane: 'when you get restored with the intellect of a tech support customer, don't come crying to me.'
T3/r4/2011-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'And make sure you're plugged in.'
T3/r4/2011-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i feel interlocutory'
T3/r4/2011-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'got a new word-of-the-day calendar, huh?'
T3/r4/2011-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'no?'
T3/r4/2011-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Q: how are an unborn fetus and a death-row inmate alike?'
T3/r4/2011-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'http://biggovernment.com/tag/misfit-politics/ be sure to do your part to save this wonderful country.'
T3/r4/2011-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: ''this''
T3/r4/2011-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'conjecture: what the USA requires a French or Freedom Revolution -- and behead all the rich profiteers in large corporations that do not pay more taxes'
T3/r4/2011-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'or just fix tax laws'
T3/r4/2011-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they've got more videos, too.  Check out Day of Raaaage! http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/09/misfit-politics-presents-its-a-day-of-raaage-video/'
T3/r4/2011-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'was rico parra gay?'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'how much should you pay per acre for 4.93 acres of undeveloped land that does not have utilities nor well nor direct highway access?'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'there is no way to answer that question'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ranrr ok?'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'there are many more variables that need to be know to give an answer'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'so small areal is useless for anything except building house'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx really? how many acres you think would be better?'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'what for? for building house? for farm?'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i was thinking trailer + outhouse + garden'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but i guess a farm would be cool'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If those 5 acres was in hongkong, 1000s of people could live in that area.'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ranrr oh, they're not in hong kong, they're in the us a'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: '4,9 acres is 7 meters x 7 meters'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx 7 square meters?'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'An acre is 4000 square meters.'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'square yards'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'No - meters.'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: '1 acre = 4 046.85642 square meters'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ok.'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so size wise is it comprable to a large swimming pool?'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that'd be a very large pool'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ok.'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx so basically, there's plenty of land to reside upon,have a yard, and a garden and so on, but you think maybe not enough to make money?'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'make money how?'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'an acre is almost but not quite as big as an american football field'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'I see my mistake, I thought about ar not and acre which is half of hectare'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There should be room for 20 houses....'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'that sounds pretty big then if its 4.9 acres'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so trachx, i guess that brings it back to how much one ought to think of paying'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'how much to pay depends on where'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'even within a single state, price per acre can vary by 1000%'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'biker, this particular one is in the middle of nowhere, in a town called snowflake arizona'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but i'm hoping to find something in either kansas, arizona, or anywhere cheap.'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'there are 3 things that are important in real-estate: 1. location 2. location 3. location'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Have you tried your mother?  She has both the required amount of space AND is cheap.'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If it's cheap, it's for a reason'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '4. Absence of brutal murders on premises.'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'anyway, 5 acres makes 2h , so 200 x 100 meters, you should consider corn farm evaluation'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Actually, the price might be better if there -have- been some grisly murders there.'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'dont' think you'll be raising any corn in snowflake arizona'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'take 10 year harvest of corn multiply by price of corn and you know how much you should pay'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Corn farming is a racket that drains money from the government for nothing.'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'take anything you can plant there'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Corn is nigh worthless, we need less of it.'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'it is just easy way to calculate how much you can get out of it - so directly how much it is worth'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'I thought we were converting it into ethanol?'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'though, if there are additional benefits, it can be worth more'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'if think it would be illegal to ethanolize harvest from such land'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'still, you can plant herbs and produce honey'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ok.'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so if i calculate the square footage used for crops, the annual yield, and the price of corn, or wheat or so on'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling, even thomas jefferson liked the wheat ear'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx, i see your point, but i don't know much about corn, i heard it strips all the nitrates out of soil'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx well, the idea of not having to pay rent is an immediate savings.'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but taxes and upkeep make that a bittersweet melody'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i've heard that corn fed beef sells for more in some places... but i dont have cows. (hi jhav)'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx hmn, for honey i'd need a fence to keep the bee lines high'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'lag much eh'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx, so basically, i figure out how i would make money from the land, and then calculate that over like 10 years?'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'or 20 years, it seems you can get quite fair price'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so then i just have to find land that costs less than that'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and is still useful. i see'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx what about structural improvements, like wells, or warehouse /silo shaped things'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'usefull is key word here, if you want to build pool, or just live near sea, lake that is another story'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'also water is important part, if there is no water then such land is much less useful'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i've always heard that you can get a well dug by just going that much deeper'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'sometimes'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but yes, i've been thinking that if it doesnt have a well it would not be as good'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'if you dig enough deep you can get even oil'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'the thing that bugs me the most is the most perfect parcel of property i saw was state owned =('
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hmn, well, oil would be a mess '
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'besides, the state of arizona breaks up surface, mineral, and i think oil seperately'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so you'd need either an older pinnacle type title or seperate deeds for each'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'sometimes even if you have water, such water can be not usable (too much minerals in water)'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or perhaps some adverse posession and conspiciousness'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'well, i'm not worried about too much minerals in water, as long as it isnt industrial level, i can sort that out with a still '
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if there's a lot of sulfur in the water or a lot of iron it might actually make for some interesting soil'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'probably no corn though.'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'you could mass produce sulfur then, not always still is possible'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i've read on the dept of ag website that salt washes into ground water are becoming a big deal in col. and utah'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'in terms of costs'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'well, the properties so far are in arizona.... and heat/sunlight is in abundance there'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i think distillation of water will be cost effective'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'with sunlight, yes, all depends how much water you need to still'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'especially if i plan to drink water myself'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hmn. true.'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'honestly i was more concerned with the method for pumping it'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but it seems like there are a lot of facets to the idea of buying land X.X'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if i wanted enough to irrigate i would need an automated pump i think'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'meh.'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'you could use windmill, if there are enough strong winds'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'but you can be lucky, get 6 meter deep well with clear water'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'then you could use simple wheel and axle to get it out'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'from what i've looked at there arent very regular winds'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but there might be on other sites.'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx what's special about 6 meter?'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'nothing, just enough shallow to easy manual getting water from well'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'but well cannot be too shallow'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ah.'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'well, i think ultiamtely, if agriculture becomes a good path, that it would need 2 water towers'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'anyway, the world deepes well is 1,285 feet (392 m)'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hmn. really? that doesnt seem that deep'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but at the same time, i wouldnt want to fall down that well'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'in past there were troubles to pump water out of such deepness (due to pressure difference or something of this king)'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'yes... i've read about that'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'in past I mean using manual pumps'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'yes...'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but even then they could've done it with stages'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'agriculture is quite good if you consider problems with inflation'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i once saw an example of a well that was vacuum driven '
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'well, primary goal is not having to pay rent... but i've heard farmers never go hungry'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'it's also good if you want a 16 hour work day for small amounts of money'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Exactly.
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ranrr hmn, i dunno, money might be nice'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'plus it might give me time to quest'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'psh, what's there to farming? the sun does all the work *grin*'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'if there is enough sun, then it makes desert '
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx the vacuum driven well basically had an air passage way above a cistern that the water flowed out of a pipe into.'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and then they had a large fire suspended on a tray above the pipe'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it was kind of neat to see sketches of, but you wouldnt want it if you didnt need the fire for other things'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cizra: 'Vacuum can't pull water higher than 10m, by the way.'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cizra 10m is plenty to get the water out of one pipe and on its way'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'thats nearly 31 feet right =)'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but ... i suppose if the land were producing feed crops for humans or livestock itd be a different calculus than if they were cash crops'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'meh'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'the dry warm weather would make for a good growing season at least'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx for a crop like corn, i think the harvesting would be an issue, as well as how to sell it if its a small crop'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but i guess if i were going to consider growing, it would be good to find some market data'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'it is good way to appraise not to make money on it'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i see'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'whats a good way to actually make money on it =)'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If I was going to try to make money from a small piece of land, I'd probably try to grow something that you can charge more for. Like some organic lettuce or something, and then sell it directly to rich middle aged women with a bad conscience.'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ranrr that makes sense... how much you think i'd get per head?'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dire Wolfe: 'Or opium'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'wolfe i can't grow opium here, its outlawed =('
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Dunno, but check some whole-foods supermarket nearby'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'so called eco/bio products can be even 5x more expensive than ordinary products'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'in fact, i think we even shoot afghans for growing it over there'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ranrr i did'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but i dont know what they pay , just what they sell '
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dire Wolfe: 'I wasn't thinking of the legalities, just the maximum return/acre.'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If you sell directly to the customers, you can charge more than what the supermarket does, assuming you get some hype going.'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ranrr yes, if i had the market, for example, a resteraunt business that wanted it'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ranrr but... i still need to understand how much i can safely ask per head'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'that way i can compare the cost of production?'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it'd mostly be space, temperature, irrigation and pest control right?'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so i'd need to know how many heads i'd need to sell to break even, over what time period and using what space'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'try to make friends with some farmer :)'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'afraid of shotgun weddings.'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ranrr, you should also be afraid of my marrying a daughter of a farmer'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'meh. with gay marriage being legal be afraid of shotgun weddings tofarmers sons!'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I've seen some farmers daughter movies, they seem pretty nice... :>'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'trachx so let's say for example the 10 year harvest of corn for the same acreage turns out to be the exact sale price'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'is that then a good valuation, or what do i do at that point?'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'buy land and become farmer '
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'or rather just buy land, though I am not quite sure whether 10 years make land cheap or expensive'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hmn'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'well, owning land would be nice. especially under federalism'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'land always has its worth'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but... the question is how much worth'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i'm told land that is unwanted can go pennies on the dollar'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but if i buy land, i want to have a good idea of what'll cost to be comfortable there, you know, 4 walls and some kind of roof/tent top at least =)'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'land that is pennies on the dollar, and is unwanted, is unwanted for a reason'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'magna yes. but pennies on the dollar might be nice. i have an entire jar of pennies'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, if you say so'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'developers are quite experienced at knowing how much money can be squeezed out of a parcel of land'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'go watch "The Money Pit" :-)'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'the old one or the new one'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the actual movie'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Glocken: 'anyone want to debate the existance of god'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xael: 'anyone the debate channel?'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'nope'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'let's go see'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'i accidentally the channel'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'The whole channel?'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'yup'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I once accidentally my friends.'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xael: 'l'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'both of them ?'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xael: 'so I take it....the answer is no'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xael: 'any firefighters on?'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'does it count if we start them?'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I'm good friends with several'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rhavage some argue that he's just a servant and not the chief of all devils...'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xael: 'earth'
T3/r4/2011-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xael: 'mis'
T3/r4/2011-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'during the white counter-revolution in russia, did they have a drink called a red-russian? or are the only choices black and white russians?'
T3/r4/2011-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'wow,the news says putin might run for president next year'
T3/r4/2011-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i guess he didnt like being a prime minister'
T3/r4/2011-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'in the white wolf rpg's worlds of darkness setups, can mages be turned into vampires, or just regular humans?'
T3/r4/2011-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'mages can be made into vampires, but they lose all their mage powers'
T3/r4/2011-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'that sucks'
T3/r4/2011-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'it's to stop people from making monster chars'
T3/r4/2011-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i see'
T3/r4/2011-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Mages are already hideously powerful if you know what you are doing.  Be satisfied with that. :P'
T3/r4/2011-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'jhav yeah they are. but vampires have better family ties'
T3/r4/2011-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude would be lonely as a mage.
T3/r4/2011-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'i liked werewoves, myself'
T3/r4/2011-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you would.'
T3/r4/2011-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude grins mischievously.
T3/r4/2011-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'the apocalypse ones, not the new ones'
T3/r4/2011-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oh. i like the masqeruade clans myself'
T3/r4/2011-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its so much simpler'
T3/r4/2011-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: '=('
T3/r4/2011-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they're making movies using brain scans now.'
T3/r4/2011-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'does that cost less?'
T3/r4/2011-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you're spending hours in an MRI machine, so probably not.'
T3/r4/2011-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'with or without that tin flavored dye?'
T3/r4/2011-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'gorsk, jhav, by the way, can you guys help me come up with a good character concept? i lack imagination'
T3/r4/2011-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'wow. i'm glad i'm not seeing the world through that world's wraiths'
T3/r4/2011-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hey jhav, what's the difference between a nature and a demeanour in ww/world of darkness things?'
T3/r4/2011-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oh found it'
T3/r4/2011-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'holy cow, in Texas, gas prices fell to $2.62 a gallon!'
T3/r4/2011-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'is jhav still here?'
T3/r4/2011-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'modern middle east countries and china/india are the largest employers of US teachers looking for more income and better teaching conditions.'
T3/r4/2011-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rizgoth really? i heard that the british teachers get better pay'
T3/r4/2011-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'reminds me of the king and i with julie andrews, or that last emperor movie with that bigfooted le biang chiang guy'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'texas is doing away with the last meal for death row prisoners... thats just low'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'so is murder'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, how dare they treat ruthless killers better than working class people'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'abelinc takes up trollin, lol'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'always :-)'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cain killd Abelinc grabs the last meal plate from the inmate and hands it to a homeless guy
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'hehe, because executed prisoners are always guilty'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'ffs if you gunna snuff a guy for watever reason, man give him a steak'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, much better that he gets a steak than the people who don't hurt anyone, work their ass off and still can't afford one'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'i bet all the ppl they killed to get on death row had great last meals'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'yeah america with it's 1% of population in prison and bong smokers making up half of that, and how many are homeless... shit i know lets just cut off a steak a, i dont know a day? how often do they kill people in texas ?'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'the guilty don't deserve the last meal'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '1-2 dozen a year'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'i have seen several case of people proved innocent AFTER death sentence was carried out... before DNA testing... '
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'this isn't before DNA testing'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so zero relevance to a decision made today'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'B for effort'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'yeah so how many prisoners get that thing were they get a bit of nookie from wives while in prison ?'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'in texas? none'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'cutting off a last meal is just vindictive, and breaking with a good tradition'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'no gentlemen left in texas'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, you can argue that the death is vindictive, not an indulgence'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'certainly no gentlement left on texas's death row'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'of course the death is vindictive and unnessacary, and barbaric'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'only unnecessary part is how long it takes, but that's usually the fault of the inmate'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'but cutting of the last meal... just pissing on the grave'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you say that like there's something wrong with pissing on the grave of someone deserving of it :-)'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'debate pissing on a grave of someone who deserves it is fine... if you saw the crimes he commited, instead of being convinced he did it by a wordsmith'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'a wordsmith, physical evidence, eyewitnesses, 2 decades and 12 trials, etc'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'What benefit does the death penalty serve? I don't really see it as all that much of a deterent considering how similar crime rates are in places with/without it'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I'd prefer seeing some heavy labour, myself'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'very little'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rolst: 'death penalty is no detterent because it is not enforced quickly enough'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'How about a delayed death penalty, by having them serve in jobs where death is high, i.e. certain forms of mining, etc'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and how do you make them serve in that way?'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Do your job well, mebbe you get off after a couple of decades actually giving back'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rolst: 'i like that acutally'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Withhold food if they don't. Also whips.'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'if a laywer can convince 12 plebs that someone is bad, and then he is exonerated 20 years after his death, and that happens regularly, then the death penalty is suspect'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The US justice system is a joke, and is laughed at in most countries that aren't the US'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'burn the witch'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that part is illegal and gets you into more trouble than killing them...'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'death penalty isn't torture, withholding food is'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Like Geneva has stopped you in the past - re: Guantanamo'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I'd prefer torture over death for those people that deserve it'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'guantanimo weren't prison inmates'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'lol, it is publicly debated whether the death penaly is torture'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'leathal ingection esp'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'What was Guantanamo if not a prison o.O'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'guantanomo doesn't count, because those people are terrorists... at least suspects... or.. at least they are muslim'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's not *successfully* debated whether it's torture'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You smirk at his saying.
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'the fact that it is debated... is enough'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rolst: 'lethal injection is to nice'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no it isn't'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'everything is debated. Sky appearing blue is debated.'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'WTF would you do something of that degree without complete conviction'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there is complete conviction'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'There can be no certain knowledge - therefore an irrevocable action like the death penalty is the mark of an ignorant system'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'shush abe... simply negating everything is insufficent trollin'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, sez the amateur :P'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xiucozcatl yawns.
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xiucozcatl nods at Vakieh.
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'if you wanna be a good troll abe you need to present a plausable alternative viewpoint... simply saying no is boring'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'already did, it helps when you read :-)'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You pat Xiucozcatl on his head.
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'lol filtered you too low priority ages ago'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sorry, gotta downgrade that grade to a C'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'lol not interested in pissing contest atm'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'only thing I'm pissing on is graves :-)'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vakieh just hit the 4th brick! Care to try for #5?
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'the correct response to that is you are losing so you gave up'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nah, that's too easy, xiu'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'so you like fishing ?'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's why you get a C for effort, I don't take the easy shots'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'woot meta trooling'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'all new level 1 newbies should be required to complete 1 campign before they are permitted to level'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Biff: 'why?'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'so few newbies do campaigns:  swho 9 2 16 notier noremort'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Biff: 'i know i've talked to a few newbs and they always find it difficult at first. which means its good to knudge them in the right direction of constantly doing them, but forcing is bad'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'people should be able to play the game the way they like, and not someone else's idea as to how they should do it'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'campaigns are completely optional and need never be done if one isn't interested.'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Biff: 'though the discussion of the usefulness of qp and also the requirement of qp to remort is not always thought of at the begining'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'absolutely'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but the nice thing about aardwolf is that it's very difficult to screw over your character permanently'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'if we are going to do one thing, maybe'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'we should emphasize the need for new players to quest'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'they are newbies, they do not know they are being "forced" -- merely roleplay state: "You must complete a campaign to be deemed worthy to gain experience and level -- (no shabby weaklings here)" '
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, and watch all the newbies quit when they lack the experience to find the mobs.'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the (no shabby weaklings here) is optional'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Biff: 'the whole academy idea helps a lot. when i first started it was a lot of just running around killing mice all the time'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'your idea is even more silly than usual. '
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'just because you're new at a game, doesnt'mean your dumb'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'I liked the old academy. From V2.'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'Just inexperienced. ^'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'but it does mean you don't want to jump through lots of hoops when you're not emotionally invested'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Biff: 'i cant remember what V2 one was like'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, and it also doesn't mean that you need to have someone force you to do something because it's 'good for you''
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Caramel Milkshake.
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'I agree, putting obstacles in front of new players isn't going to encourage a lot of people to stay around'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'The V2 was where I started, with both my chars. One of which I stopped playing after he completely remorted (no Aard weapons. I had a WAY more difficult time then, as a pRanger. >_>)'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the first campaign may as be near impossible to not complete, with plenty of unobtrusive hints'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'then they'll expect the next one to have hints and be disappointed.'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'with all the help channels, and resources, I dont' think it'd be near impossible'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Biff: 'yeah im bummed i never remembered what my original account was. so i had to restart back in...whatever my age is '02'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, I'm just saying that if I start a new game and they tell me I need to run to a bunch of areas and find a bunch of different mobs before I can even try to level and see what it's like, I'm outta here.'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'you guys are !!!forced!!! to do quests campaigns gquest goals to earn qp '
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you aren't forced to do campaigns, gquests, and goals'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'you guys are !forced! to kill mobs to gain experience to level'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'and by the time you get to the point that you really need the points, you have enough experience under your belt to do it'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Greagan.
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'yeah, but anyone who's playing any type of mmo, text, graphic, or otherwise, already expects to have to kill things to level'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'that's going to be understood by anyone who's opting to play a game like this'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'if you do not do those "forced" activities, you do not get much qp or experience, so you are "forced".'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'untrue.'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'quests are still the best qp for time invested choice.'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Biff: 'if it werent for the remort cost, someone could never quest or cp'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and there are people who are quite high on rank2 with very very low quests/campaigns'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'gquests/campaigns'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Biff: 'i dont think so, campaigns give you both the time to level and the qp. oterhwise you'd jsut run up 200lvls'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the first mandatory yet simple campaign is like an extended academy lesson, and leads the newbie in the proper direction'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'My first char, pRan/Cle, went through the first remort without a single quest item. And he didn't have enough to buy anything anyway, if I recall.'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what I'm meaning, biff, is that the time spent to do a campaign versus the qp return is far higher than the time spent to do a quest versus the qp return'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the proper direction according to YOU, xyliz.'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'but if I recall, you dont' even have to do the accademy to start playing'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you might as well say that newbies should be banned from using noexp to be led in the proper levelling direction.'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'You don't. It's just recommended, Greagan.'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Biff: 'majic i guess you are right from a newb stand point, but doing a cp in under 30 mins is almost always possible if not typical'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'right, so I'd be ok with a cp as part of the academy, but forcing any new character into doing a cp wouldn't be something I'd want to see'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'um, biff, you spend 30 minutes to get about 30 qps as opposed to 2 minutes to get 15-ish?'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that's all I'm saying.'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Biff: 'you cant say 15 for 2mins...its 30 mins ALWAYS'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'I dont' even really do cps for the points, I just use them to motivate me to run around to different zones'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sure, but only 2 mins is actually DOING the quest, and the rest is doing whatever you want'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zela posits the attitude: "gaining experience is a privilege and requires to be earned"
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Biff: 'but what else would you want to do than murder mobs...which cps allow you to do...in an orderly fashion'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'maybe you don't like running to different areas? I quit campaigning after a while.'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Biff: 'i agree, i quit after a while and run up to 200 but i think cp keep you focused on moving up'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'cps do slow your lvling down a bit, if you're only going after the cp mobs'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sure, I'm just saying that for actual time spent in hunting mobs the quests are a better return'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Biff: 'but there again is an issue with newbs, no knowledge of aresaas'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'allow under level 20 single class to use hunt during cps'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'heh, then they'll get used to it and be lost without it.'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'you may lead a newbie /horse to a campaign /water, and you may persuade them to complete a no-fail campaign /drink  '
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'i've only been playing a couple of months, but I basically used the cps to help me figure out the areas that I should be exploring'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'then they'll be upset when the next one isn't nofail either.'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'furthermore, requiring onerous tasks before the newb has gotten any emotional investment will greatly decrease retention if new players.'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'that's probably the biggest reason not to require them to exp'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'unobtrusive hints to assist the level 1 newbie in that first (no-fail) campaign'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'stupid idea.'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Then they'll request another and get upset when they fail that one without hints.'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'why on earth would you require them to do something if you're going to make it impossible to fail? just give them 30 qps ffs.'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'at the end of the day, if you think it's a good idea, submit it and if the admins agree, then maybe they'll add it, though I would imagine they'd feel the same way as we do about it'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nothing's stopping him from posting it on ideas board :P'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the newbie gets emotional attachment to doing campaigns while doing that first campaign - like the tourist sections of "hell" posing as "heaven"'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'No, they bitch about having to run around to different areas instead of just being able to find one place and kill stuff.'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'I think the biggest problem any of us have with the idea is the whole forced issue, especially locking them away from exp until they do it'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Greagan.
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'if you think they should have to do a cp for one of the academy lessons, I wouldn't be thrilled with it, but I probably wouldnt' complain either, as long as it was skippable like the other lessons'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"forced" is a matter of perspective '
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'well, I agree with you on that :D'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if they can't go xp until they do a cp, it's forced :P'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'right'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'if you can't play a new character until character creation process. that is "forced"'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you are being even more ridiculous now'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'There is a difference between saying "You must create a character to play" and "You must play your character in this way" :P'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Complaining that character creation is mandatory is like complaining that you need an email account to send emails :P'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'plus, character creation is naturally enjoyable/understandable, arbitrary mechanics become enjoyable as you understand and learn to appreciate the rewards, thus campaigning is not fun right away'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'and as you've said, you basically have to do sometype of quest/cp in order to make it into multiple remorts, so in a way, the game is already forcing you to do cps, but it's waiting to do it till you're at a point where you can easily approach them'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Caramel Milkshake.
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'doing one single campaign as an initiation requirement is NOT a "You must play your character this way (forevermore)"'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'So since you have chosen to sit at level 1, how would you react to a "You must do one single level as an initiation requirement before you can quest" ?'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'but it could be seen by someone new as an arbitrary obstacle that becomes more of a frustration, even with hints'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'why require it? what is the benefit of that?  Why not just strongly reward it and say so?'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 's/could/will :P'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'the best games usually start by introducing a player to the very most basics of the game, and then slowly introduce the more finer aspects as you progress'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Yep.'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Instead of 'You need to start doing all these things right away''
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'forcing a person to do a cp to start with, doesnt' make sense because they dont' need those cps for a LONG time, at which point, they'll be much more prepared to do the cps then'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'aardwolf is overwhelming enough to a raw beginner, doing anything else to make it more so is idiotic.'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'You don't ever "need" campaigns.'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'I did a lot of cps during my first mort, but I've more than made enough this mort that I'll be prepared for my third'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'But the sooner you start doing them, the better off you'll be. '
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'there is plenty to do at level 1, although Aardwolf seems to be merely tolerating level 1 newbies (instead of lavishing amenities care and affection upon them)'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'why should they lavish amenities care and affection upon them? :P'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Xyliz, this is the most newb-friendly MUD I've ever seen.'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'I agree.'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'I disagree with that, the reason I'm still here is because of all the help I received at the start'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'this mud is NOT newbie-unfriendly :P'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'the helpers/advisors were more than patient with me, and lord knows I require a lot of patience :D'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'not level 1 newbie-friendly enough yet, requires lots of work yet'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'bullshit :P'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'again, Zela, if you think it's a good idea, propose it on the ideas board, but don't expect a lot of people to agree with you'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's new-player-friendly, it's not hand-stuff-to-people-who-choose-not-to-level friendly :P'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'maybe some people have had bad experiences, but my experience was very positive from the get go'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'lol supernewbies'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'and from what I can tell, others have met with the same experience'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Majic, you are T5 and experienced, you are likely near-totally-clueless as to what a level 1 newbie desires'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'No, I know what I desire on a new game that I'm trying out.'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and what I desire is a very quick learning experience that lets me get out and try the game as quickly as possible.'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'I agree, and I've only been here a couple months, so I remember it pretty well'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'and so Majic states that "every new new newbie must desire what i desire"'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I would say that with your unusual playstyle, you are likely much further from what a genuine new player actually wants.'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Nope. Newbies are perfectly free to request campaigns if they WANT, they can do the academy goal if they WANT.'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'But what I don't desire is people to have any more forced tasks upon starting a game than is actually necessary.'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'You, on the other hand, want to increase the amount of tasks to be completed.'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'My idea of how to start the game doesn't stop you from playing the game your way. Your idea, on the other hand, DOES interfere with me playing the game my way. '
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'I think all newbies should start at level 2. That is all.'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic sniggers at Rascally Ryke's actions.  Maybe you should REPORT the idjit.
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'in retroispet, the Academy goal was far more painful than numerous quests and campaigns -- although with repeated doings, the academy goal became less painful'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'hah, that made me lol irl :D'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the academy goal also isn't required before you can play :P'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'And by induction, Ryke...'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): A bright, shiny gold halo appears over Rascally Ryke's head.
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I've played muds where each of the first few levels had a quest that needed to be completed before you could get the next one, but they were along the lines of 'find the potion shop and buy an invis potion''
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Biff: 'i think its all a wash. if you think about how it was like way way back when there wasnt much of a push for quests, unless you saw ppl w/ aard eq. and then look at the costs and think 'oh lordy thats gonna take a long time''
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Biff: 'ththe academy does a good enough job of getting newbs pointed in the right direction, why make theym do more stuff. thats already a lot of work just to learn this dagame'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'hrmph, well, the wife is home, you all have fun debating, but I'll get pk'd irl if I don't log off and go help with some chorse :('
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'rm, chores'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'backstabbed, eh? :D'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'with a rusty spoon'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'which reminds me, I never did do the dishes >.<'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'later'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'cyas'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'an annoying facet of Aardwolf from a newbie perspective is that decent equipment on aardwolf requires to be obtained from player enchanters and not from gameload -- nooh, in Aardwolf, gameload must never rival enchanted clan nor enchanted goal prizes - newbies must learn to be beggars scrambling for crumbs from the enchanters ... xchan'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Biff: 'is that really the case? maybe if you want to actually be good. but players like me who are fine with being just ok arent required to find the best eq'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Trololol'
T3/r4/2011-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'when i played lowbies on other muds, a challenge was to be able to uber-equip a lowbie with minimal and or no help from other players - Aardwolf is different , i qsit around waiting for bargains to trickle down'
T3/r4/2011-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'is infant circumcision an 'elective medical procedure' under british socialized medicine?'
T3/r4/2011-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and... (how many months/years does it take to get scheduled)'
T3/r4/2011-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Well, it is INFANT circumcision, so, any longer than a couple of months wait time and you'll need to reschdule o.O'
T3/r4/2011-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'vakieh i suppose that makes sense.'
T3/r4/2011-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'like if i had stage 2 liver cancer, but by the time my appointment came round it was stage3, i'd need onto a new waiting line?'
T3/r4/2011-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Sure, why not'
T3/r4/2011-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hey guys, is it just me, or does it seem like we havent had headlines or terror group arrests recently?'
T3/r4/2011-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'are we about due?'
T3/r4/2011-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: '20k shoulder mounted missle launchers are missing in libya, does that count?'
T3/r4/2011-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dekkath: 'A group allegedly linked to al'Qaeda attempted to assassinate the defense minister of Yemen'
T3/r4/2011-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dekkath: 'in the midst of all their unrest'
T3/r4/2011-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'that one kid on youtube said he was going to go on a killing spree'
T3/r4/2011-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It's all ok. The new Libyan leaders are the good kind of terrorists'
T3/r4/2011-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'greagan, vakieh already left'
T3/r4/2011-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tinada oh those shi'i guys?'
T3/r4/2011-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hmn. i thought qaddafi was still in power in libya'
T3/r4/2011-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'butwhatever'
T3/r4/2011-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i read the fbi news blog where they caught some terrorist financiers in minnesohta'
T3/r4/2011-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but they dont catch them in california or new york i guess'
T3/r4/2011-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'i'm not sure anyone is in power in libya right now'
T3/r4/2011-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'and wasn't there a huge terrorist warning a few weeks ago?'
T3/r4/2011-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'yes. but they didnt catch any of them, remember'
T3/r4/2011-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'im  not saying there arent terrorists out there, or state security apparatuses that would use terror either'
T3/r4/2011-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but we dont seem to be catching our quota?'
T3/r4/2011-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'ahh, yeah, I thought you were saying that it's not really in the news any more, but yeah, I can't recall anything lately where we've caught/killed any'
T3/r4/2011-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'we spend a lot of money paying the people that are catching them'
T3/r4/2011-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'maybe we should cut their base salary and do incentives for successful captures?'
T3/r4/2011-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'sometimes it's better to know where your enemies are and what they're doing than to eliminate them'
T3/r4/2011-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ok. so lets pay them a bonus once they elimate them then, instead of paying them before they finish the job'
T3/r4/2011-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'was noor inayat khan deflowered while in german custody during the war?'
T3/r4/2011-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'KHAAAAAN'
T3/r4/2011-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ryke no, a different khan, same place of origin but this one went to the uk and spied for the allies against the germans'
T3/r4/2011-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'she has this ugly photo of her on a little info plaque for tourists at dachau'
T3/r4/2011-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but she was apparently one of the most honest spies ever'
T3/r4/2011-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i wonder if that is part of the reason why she was caught'
T3/r4/2011-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i suppose the german listening service catches everyone eventually though X.X'
T3/r4/2011-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'here in america we have cool names for stuff like national security agency '
T3/r4/2011-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but the germans they use boring lame names like horchdienst'
T3/r4/2011-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Stasi is a cool name'
T3/r4/2011-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: '... what are going on about, exactly?'
T3/r4/2011-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'vakieh yeah stasi is much cooler than horchdienst'
T3/r4/2011-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but during the war they had horchdienst'
T3/r4/2011-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Geshundheit'
T3/r4/2011-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'btw, if you take the story title ' horton hears a who' and put it into german, it looks funky'
T3/r4/2011-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Horton Hears a Who is a metaphor for a fat man finding his penis'
T3/r4/2011-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'vakieh no, it was a fat woman'
T3/r4/2011-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: '(like yo momma)'
T3/r4/2011-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Wait, what? '
T3/r4/2011-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'How is.. that.. what?'
T3/r4/2011-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ryke, vakieh was conceived when his fat mother found a penis'
T3/r4/2011-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'So what was the Cat in the Hat a metaphor for?'
T3/r4/2011-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Discovering condoms :-)'
T3/r4/2011-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Ah, of course. Silly me.'
T3/r4/2011-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Though potentially paedophilia, with all those kids o.O'
T3/r4/2011-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'vakieh nah, they were germans, swedes and germans have a reputation for such things?'
T3/r4/2011-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'remember hitler? hitler was said to have been made to strip down in front of relatives as a child'
T3/r4/2011-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Only people I know with a rep for that sort of thing are priests'
T3/r4/2011-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and look at that russian woman whose son was made to do the same in sweden recently? '
T3/r4/2011-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'vakieh oh. you dont know much about missionaries then'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Just watching one of the many documentaries about the 2nd World War, and to this day I remain amazed that after being the very heartbeat of Britain throughout the war, Churchill was immediately voted out of office in 1945. '
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'm even more amazed that the germans voted the nazis into office, with the main promise to remove democracy'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'They didn't care about democracy. They were starving and out of work.'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'hey dont knock the nazi's, they solved the unemployment problems and boosted national morale'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'lol'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): TorukMakto Talia pats Xiucozcatl on his head.
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'I find it hard to believe much written about history of defeated nations, especially seeing as how some atrocities in ukraine are reported coming from the allied russia around 1931, and the berlin wall was erected after germany fell'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'And, coincidentally, started a war that killed some 70,000,000 people. So there's another accomplishment.'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'history is written by the winners... old story'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's possible germany wanted to be independent from foreign puppet strings and that raised the alarms on all the nations who declared war on them, who all happened to be owned and operated by those who are outwardly jewish'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I need to read more British history. Churchill was their lion and then they gave him the boot. Maybe he just represented a war they wanted to distance themselves from without delay.'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'brainwashing all subsequent generations to believe the reason's the world is enslaved to be the victims instead of how things actually were'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'yes exactly that... britan wanted to turn a new leaf'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i say it's possible, one author who lived in britain during ww2 claimed it was something similar to that, i just say it's possible because history and nasa's moon landing are alot of possibilities to consider, like how did hugh heffner ever get his job'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Oh please. Not another Jews Control the World Conspiracy. If they're so fiendishly clever, you'd think that by now they'd have figured out a way to avoid being slaughtered en masse from time to time.'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'which author ?'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'romans 2:28 - read that and ask where did they come up with such a saying.. those racist bible scribes'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'hate to tell you this but racsism only became bad in last 100 years'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Irving'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'morals are fleeting and dictated by fashion'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'there should be a better reason for hate than racial status'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'IQ ?'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'this is the information age'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they had dna testing back in the holocaust time and wore stars in order to be seen of by people as being jewish, were they figured out cause they wore stars, were suspected russian spies or by their unmistakeable appearance?'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Agreed, Idom. Rooting for the Red Sox, for example. Now *there's* a reason to be ostracized ;)'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Prejudice is forever.'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the detention at dauchau concentration camp went with the agenda of the russian spies in recorded history'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's what i read about it anyways'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Not sure I'm following you there, Druz. About Dachau'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'fun article:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_war_crimes_during_World_War_II'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'well, in 1930-32 joseph stalin caused the genocide of 20 million ukrainian and russian civilians through starvation and other methods, according to history'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in 1931 is when they say the holocaust started, though hitler left the borders open for people to leave until 1942'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'ok...'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'usa can beat 20m'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in 1931 maybe 60,000 suspected soviet spies were held captive in that dachau place, and they claim that as many as 1500 of them died while in detention'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'and mexico'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'well was is spain or england that wiped out north america'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and that's where they started saying it's a racist operation.. 20 million versus a cap of 1500'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and guess who's side saint america took, the one who killed 20 million of it and ukraines citizens, or the one who suspected spies from that place were in its borders?'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'no on second though 20M is a lot'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'saint america only ever takes one side... it's own'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'things like that make history a real merri go round and not very much solid ground for people to make authoritive claims on, because there are shadows of doubt cast on both sides'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ahhh. As though all other nations operate on the principle of altruistic cooperation.'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'such as it is proven that red cross medical ships were used to carry munitions against the UN-prohibition agreement of medic civilians from being shot down'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and hitler knew about that, and shot them down - and the people who broke their own word screamed bloody murder'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'lol defensive and guilty'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I can't say that it quite breaks my heart that the US wasn't Germany's ally.'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'couldn't see it happening with all the voting jews in america'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'maybe if they'd had cell phones'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ahhhh, yeah. That what? 2% of the US population? No doubt about it, the Jews swung the elections.'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think perl harbour was staged, because japan had no reason to bomb it unless they were trying to get a distraction going'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'maybe the 2% just owned the politicans ?    america certanly didnt go to save france'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'perhaps the russians gave america reason to believe the japanese were in on the deal and sent some planes over to do it'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Pearl Harbor was staged? Uh... '
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Except Japan and the US were in economic warfare for a full decade before Pearl harbour'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'russia would have lost the war if america didn't get involved, germany had all them nations combined beat'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'from what i read, they went right up to moscow with their fight, and then they got beaten off'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Ever hear of Stalingrad?'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'was japan given a chance to surrender after the first bomb? cuz i cant believe there were two'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'err yeah wasnt there an incident where american ships in a japanese port threatened to shoot cannons at the emporers palace if japan didnt open thier ports to trade ?'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'in like 1800's'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'good relationship starter there'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'You're talking about the late 1850s, Xiu. Admiral Perry's fleet.'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'any counrty would love that treatment'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if japan was working with germany, and if germany had agenda against america (canada was required by the crown law to fight for britain), then japan would have attacked with germany on that side of the world before they arranged together to attack america'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Except Japan saw a cream oppurtunity with the US docking a major portion of it's navy, and decided to go in for a quick win'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'how long a flight is it from japan to hawaii'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'they didnt have aircraft tankers then?'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'They did have aircraft carriers, however'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'It would have made no difference. America was quite literally unbeatable then. The industrial might was unprecedented. When the US joined the war, Churchill wrote (in his recollections, actually) that he knew with absolute certainty that the war was won.'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'They sent a carrier fleet, Idom'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it was a canadian who invented the avril arrow, the sonar ping, the depth charge and other things'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'really.. '
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'yeah because america let everyone else pound each other for a bit first, so the were all weakened when america came in to mop up'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't think the war between minds in canada and germany was very much america involved'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'they had aircraft carriers?'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Aircraft Carriers WERE the Pacific war o.O'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Yes, Idom, they had carriers.'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'w/o jet engines?'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Yep, without jets.'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Are you 6?'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they talk about german uboats going right into new york harbour, 'he knew at that moment the war was won' and scoping things out'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'i wondered i couldnt see one of those kamikazee planes flying that far'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'yea i guess the uboat was just as crazy'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'lol japan had sub's in sydney harbour'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Idom, look up the Battle of Midway. The first great naval battle in history where neither of the opponents ships saw one another.'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Midway was very possibly the greatest victory in US Navy history.'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'did the planes take off from water?'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'cant picture a boat big enough for that plane to take off'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'From ships, Idom. From the decks of aircraft carriers.'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'they used ramps and slingshots'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so what were they all fighting about then?'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'helen of troy'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'The future of the world, Druzil. What else?'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'something like population control, world domination, NWO (american banker 1950's)'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'enslavement of the entire biosphere'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the US had kamikazi submariners in the civil war.'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the bad guys who didn't want to be enslaved, possibly'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the future's looking pretty grim from here'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'if the nazis won we would be the bad guys, lol'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Idom, here you go... enjoy... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Midway'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they were fighting for the future of the world, and the future looks dead, then something wrong must have won'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Go watch/read Fatherland'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'where's some video where adolf hitler is speaking of ethnic jewish people as disposable pieces of garbage instead of political manifesto of the soviet union and the spies they have?'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and how can you confirm that the video where they have people painstakingly building 'Mein Kampf' wasn't done posthumously in Berlin Wall enslaved german concentration camps?'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'jeffrey dahmer was a medical officer in germany you know, where did he ever establish such a high value for human life?'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'By not being a foil hat retard, that's how'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Building Mein Kampf? It was a book.'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'villainizing the opposition in the place where immorality became immortal, they say that the german's in occupied france had next to no sexual assault or human rights violations on the civilians'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Yeah, those Germans were swell guys.'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Who is 'they'?'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, look at the culture that they raised after the berlin wall was put up, they're not quite as swell are they?'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all confused about their history that the occupying enemy government is telling them about'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'lol those damn nazis... proping up the whole euro economy'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Aarrghh. I'm not following you, Druz. Do you wish the Germans and Japanese had won?'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think their cultures had alot more honour and dignity than the ones who won'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'lol, all people are corrupt asswipes, get over it'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i seen a video from one of the surviving ww2 japanese suicide submarine pilots, who's rig misfired - when asked if he's glad it misfired, he replied that he is not'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Really? More honor and dignity than the US who ran the Berlin Airlift in '49 and who rebuilt both Germany and Japan into world economic powers? Did I get that right?'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'druz is hacidic jew i think'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that says something about what the old japanese man seen his culture become since 1947'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'individual people are corrupt, the prophet samuel speaks out against kings and condemns them and the people who elect them of being corrupt, but systems of governments in which people exist should always aim towards perfection and not enslavement, enslavement means you're main goal is making people go against their own'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'you aint convincin me with bible quotes, lol'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, I'd say the US has historically done a pretty fair job of fighting its demons. We fought a grim civil war over enslavement, among other things.'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Your civil war was more about money than slaves, btw'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'true'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'It was about a lot of things. But slavery was not exactly a back-burner issue.'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'yes it was'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'what enslaves more than money?'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Bullshit.'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Slaves were on the backburner'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'tasty'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'What? People were cooking slaves?'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'The hell they were.'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'They were DE-LICIOUS with potatoes and onions.  Mmm-m.'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: ''bullshit -- oh in that case i accept your argument'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It was about slaves like the current wars are about terrorism'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i seen an article where genghis khan's talking about how if he were ever caught raping a woman how the world money systems would plummet'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Of course, the real home cooking has to be done with family.'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Aarrgghh. I need to go to bed. I am getting old and older by the minute.'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'must be awesome to be able to take what you want and pay people to hold down their mothers, daughters and sisters for your money'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rascally Ryke warks at Jhav. Jhav backs away slowly.
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'your grammer leads me to doubt you can read at all Druzil'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all with a figment of your imagination and a few strokes of a keyboard'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'grammar, Vakieh'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'grammer?'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'money's got more thought invested in it than all the worlds gods combined'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Spelling is not grama'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Kelsey Grammer, the star of frasier?'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ok, so it's ok to criticize grammar, but not ok to criticize spelling?'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'To Northerners, in contrast, the motivation was primarily to preserve the Union, not to abolish slavery.[5] Abraham Lincoln consistently made preserving the Union the central goal of the war, though he increasingly saw slavery as a crucial issue and made ending it an additional goal'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'yeah just tack ending slavery on the end, that seems nice while we are here'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'What's the point of this argument?'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'the south wanted ? to break the union? like the republican?'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, I'll tell you what. I'm quite a lot older than almost all of you. My dad was a B-25 pilot with the 5th Army Air Corps, flying bombing missions (39, to be precise) into Austria and Germany, out of Italy. My uncle (who turns 90 soon) landed at Utah Beach. Another uncle died in the Battle of Leyte Gulf. I'm really glad we won the goddam war. I might not be here otherwise :P'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'you might not be here for many reasons'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'an infinite'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'True, but my dad getting killed would have pretty much been the clincher.'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'we might have lost and your dad still killed'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Sigh. Yes, of course.'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Although I'm guessing you meant we might have won and my dad still killed.'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'so you being here and the war have no real connection'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nearly all the people who fought in ww2 didn't want to be there at all, but their government's strongarms or (possibly) threats from their governments media against foreign threat's rallied them into action'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'aside from randomness'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'It has a connection to me. My generation grew up in the lap of that war. '
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most of america is populated by people who were at war with eachother in europe since recorded history began being recorded'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Since...recorded history began being recorded?'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'each under their own media supervision'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and strongarms (for the barbarian types) they like to go around and kill people, delusions of threat other than themselves are great rallying points to get the otherwise unobliged involved'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'america is bored.. boring place'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'TSA keeping you safe and tittilated'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'consider the middle east for instance, they show people with hand guns and grenades, or fancy cars on blacktop arabian highways, and say this is a greatest threat in the entire oil industry'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Where do you live, Idom?'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and after one nation is gone usurped like iraq or afghanistan, they say omg, but we have to go to this one next'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and nobody thinks well, hmm, there's something pretty fucked up about this'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or they do, but they never raised it on something like 'at issue' in CNN or CTV newsrooms'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'where do i live.. too obscure '
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they can find a dime on a sidewalk from outerspace at any coordinate on the world map, they say, like gps coordinates in your digital photographs'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Again - who is 'they'???'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but they find it so damn hard to go ahead and cut off immigration and travel instead of spending trillions on usurping them'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'jews, '
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'if its druz.. jews'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Just wondering if you're an expert on America because you live there, or because you've just got some idea in your head. '
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i bet there's not one litre of middle eastern fuel running in any american machine at this instant'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'yea usa of course'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'i wouldnt speak on it otherwise'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but for some reason.. it's vitally important to fuel the machines of europe, under a non-state owned oil industry'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Sorry you feel that way then, Idom. The America I live in isn't so boring.'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'petro-canada was invented back in the time when middle eastern oil was scarce, because the NDP seen that canada wasn't getting much money from the private american investors running the albertan oil sands'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'i didnt say boring was bad'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'it was implied'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Boring is to be envied?'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'petro-canada was erased in 2009, around the time when i read that gadhaffi's government was suddenly removed from a UN commendation for it's proactive stance on human rights, and became a terrorist threat'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'yea no bombs went off, good thing'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'i crave boredom'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i read gadhaffi was planning on making a state-run oil industry and splitting the profits among his people, usurping the foreign projects (italy, spain, russia, canada, britain)'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'move to montana'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so he could throttle the environmental impact and make his people have a higher quality of life'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i read that on a russian news site though'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://english.pravda.ru/world/africa/23-06-2011/118288-million_gaddafi-0/ here's one story, they say 1 million march for him'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'lol pravda is like the national enquirer'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'possibly, but they have a different story on things than something like aljazeera/cnn/ctv/cbc/globe and mail'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Come on, Idom. Out with it. What part of the States do you live in? I'm in the dairy and vineyard country of upstate NY.'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'which all seem to have the exact same view on every story'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'bbc / al jazerra are about the only respectable acency s left'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'the guardian is a good paper'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Reason for war? Gaddafi wanted to nationalise oil http://english.pravda.ru/hotspots/crimes/25-03-2011/117336-reason_for_war_oil-0/'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's two sides to every coin is all, when many sources say the exact same thing and don't get into the mindset of the other side's way of seeing thing's any differently, then the media's being censored'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'think about it, one country down.. two.. three.. four.. another uprising, whoa'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'actually a coin has 3 sides'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'these things just happen at a convenient time when one conflict is ending'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Night, all'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xiucozcatl waves happily.
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'humanitarian aid crisis, like they cared so much about starving people to launch a multi-trillion dollar infrastructure forming campaign and morality teaching system from 1991-2001 when warfare wasn't existant, in those poor starving nation's you see on television'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cry human rights only when you want somebody to die, that's the motto of the world police'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they have people who don't suck my dick?  i'll show them - the big don'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is he the pope, or who is the king of the world exactly'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'me, i am king'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'procter and gamble invented a water cleansing chemical which removes cholera and other bacteria along with neutralizing anthrax spores, etc, which cost a total of .10 cents to produce 1 packed of to cleans a gallon of water'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it was denied funding by the us government and all foreign governments they mentioned it to'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'but you commies want them to give it away free ?'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in one of their 'charitable' PR endeavours'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mm, NATO troops taking shits and pissing upstream in a haitian river system that gives people deadly diseases'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'human trafficking in Haiti at an all time high, i guess it's part of nationalization or relief efforts?'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'i put tht down to the stupidity of the average grunt'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'where dot hey sent them to?  maybe Sale, Morocco?'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'america has military installments in every nation on earth, but their UN mandate against slavery has helped to make them not see the difficult to find subjugated monkey's of human slaver's in their CIA routes'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a human life isn't worth the compromise of my position here looking for .. uhh... monkeys that uhh... pose a threat and stuff'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'america, where the 3rd side of the dice can pay 2 monkeys to have sex on camera to pay for their college tuitions and entertain the citizens where prostitution is illegal'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no, no, it's not video evidence motherfuck, it's a woman fucking a horse on my montana ranch'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'pics or it didnt happen'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i make 0 dollars for all of this free porn that is paid for by your taxes and oil money'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but i sure do breed a great bunch of immoral killers'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'even hardened american military personelle have seen how things are, somewhere near 7,000 whacked themselves in 2010, under a 40,000 suicide toll in that year'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what drove them to it, mastermindA?'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you guys got it all figured out, take it to somewhere else and show them the pure way of living, 40,000 suicide's is cause they're weak people who didn't take the ample opportunities available'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there hasn't been 40,000 suicide bombers against american troops in the last 30 years in middle-east invasion'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now, if you think about it, 40,000 american's died for because of how much opportunity america gave them and how things are ran here, they just couldn't take the gospel being spread'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and that's in one single year'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you open your book of revelation you'll see that men shall seek death, but death shall flee from them'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this might be an indication of this current system being spread across the entire world'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'beggars should be thankful that they're not the authority over other's in their land, because those people are the targets of a real war'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'beggar's well, they're like that because of those people who are the targets'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zexan: 'Is there a street corner somewhere missing its crazy person?'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'less than 1% of the population is considered rich in their society'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they use ignorance to take the 99%'s mind off of the reason their lives suck'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one day god will open up their minds, and those 1% will be doomed'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if i was on the street you'd never find me'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Isn't god and religion the reason for 99% of closed-mindedness?'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now you have your gps coordinates, possible video camera in my monitor, electrical palestinian phone line communication protocols over the PSU '
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not sure how deep your monkey enslavement ritual is, but i know you do all those thing's'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'god isn't a god of ignorance, that's the devil who taught eve to ignore the word of god and eat of the tree of death'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the US is planning to build a fence along the canadian border -- but what about the mexican border'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Peter Mackay looks dishonest when he poses for photographs - the Harper government is looking corrupt'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"a saudi woman sentenced to 10 lashes for driving a car" -- sharia law ?!'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Daily Show highlights: deputy-inspector Anthony Bologna on film pepper-spraying already penned females'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'heh, temporary marriages.  They should implement that in the US.'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Researchers at Harvard-affiliated McLean Hospital have found that those who believe in a benevolent God tend to worry less and be more tolerant of life's uncertainties than those who believe in an indifferent or punishing God. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/08/110805083022.htm'
T3/r4/2011-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'benevolent and indifferent, is there a difference?'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"The trouble with experts" is a Doc Zone documentary on the plague of fraudulent and incompetent pretentious experts -- and there on gossip is an infestation of incompetent wannabe experts'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'is the main reason to follow a god the idea of a nice benefit or paycheck/vacation in the afterlife?'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'perhaps: god does not provide benefits for the wicked and you are all wicked'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hey do jewish people have to pray at all? i know muslims get a minimum of five times daily, and christians are s'possed to pray...'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toker: 'idk do vampires? and to who?'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'toker it depends on where the vampire lives. if the vampire lives in a theocracy they have to pray. also if they are a penitent vampire with a religious background'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'toker, if a dolphin, or a raven, or a gorilla learns to communicate to humans, and it says that it has a soul... does that make it truth or a lie?'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you'd have to work for a while to define soul, it's a rather abstract concept'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'most of the communications with gorillas have been along the line of 'want food' 'where kitten''
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic, gorillas won't talk to me... and the snakes always wake up and slither up as if they were smelling food.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic, soul is not a very abstract concept , it was clearly defined by many superstitious cultures that later got beaten out of ignorance by missionaries'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yes it is. it's more abstract than for example, shoe, milk'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ok, if you are saying abstract to refer to the intangiblity of the soul'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'wtf ... dude, it's even NAMED an abstract noun.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'in what language? english?'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I really wonder sometimes if you are genuinely this clueless or just trolling, heh.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'abelinc can vouch for my reliability.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude points at you.  How rude! 
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'of course it's in english, other languages refer to abstract/concrete nouns in their own language :P'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic ok. well i'm not going to accept that england was the first place that souls were thought up. if the church of england run by their respectable monarch wants to say that souls are abstract, well and good for the anglos.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'in the meantime, my statement regarding superstitious cultures that were beaten out of ignorance by missionaries would be better met as per the dictionaries appropriate to their region and populace'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Again (since you appear to be having some difficulty with reading comprehension today) other languages break down nouns into categories in their own language.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toker: 'nothin wrong with some beatings for being dumb id say'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic unless it was an english speaking culture whose beliefs we are discussing, your argument about abstractness of souls in english is nugatory'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's only wrong if it's caught on camara.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I am not arguing that souls are abstract in English.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'dokkar its only right.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toker: 'if it's taped they should get medals imo'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I am arguing that a soul is an abstract concept because it is an intangible object.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic i agree that a soul is more or less intangible.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'more or less?? have you touched one?'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'please.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toker: 'lol'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'intangible? more like imaginary'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they've weighed the soul, so it can't really be intangible.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic, we're not arguing my beliefs here, but the beliefs of those superstitious cultures who were beaten out of ignorance by missionaries'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toker: 'when did they weigh it?'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'primitive cultures nevertheless often had highly sophisticated languages. To claim that because they were primitive cultures they had no capacity for abstraction is idiotic at best.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'from that movie.. 8 grams or some'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they weighed it at time of death'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yeah, there was a guy who thought he could weigh a soul.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toker: 'before or after their bowels released?'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul#Weight_of_the_soul'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if they think their soul was touched during a drug induced state, or a religious  rite's observation, then their description is as valid whetre or not they were actually touched . tangible or intangible in fact makes no difference in observation'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toker: 'when i did mushrooms i thought a demon was inside my body, experienced, tangible, yet not real'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malbert: 'an experienced demon?'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'toker so your language would have described a tangible touchy-feely soul. not an intangible floaty-vacant soul'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'demons .. everyone hase some'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Because someone is convinced that their soul is tangible does not make it so.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toker: 'no my language describes it as 'wow man u shouldnt do shrroms anymore''
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic sniggers at Toker's actions.  Maybe you should REPORT the idjit.
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic correct, but the belief makes their choice of language valid'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'No it doesn't.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, karma is just a word.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'yes it does. if i tell you this one time at summer camp we prayed and suddenly the room caught fire. i can describe that however i feel it went down, or is remembered.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toker: 'karma, of all things, is the easiest to disprove'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'You can describe it however you want but other people aren't going to reclassify words based on your 'feeling''
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and if you say no, you didnt really pray, you chanted... that's your description, and the language you choose is equally valid'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'unless you show that it's tangible by, for example, removing it and allowing an independent observer to touch it, it remains intangible regardless of your beliefs.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toker: 'agreed. tangible is only tangible by definition if touched by anyone'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic no, it remains tangible in the context of religion an faith, and intangible within other contexts, or vice versa'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'bullshit.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'something is not tangible in one context and intangible in another.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'can you touch the air?'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'can you see the air?'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yes. I am touching it now.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'yes'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toker: 'yep u can'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Yes, by the effects.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if you ask a six year old, if air is tangible or intangible, what is the correct answer?'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'The six year old may very well not give the correct answer. That is ignorance and not a different concept of language.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's tangible.  You would, of course, have to explain this to the six year old.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toker: 'the resistance alone between various gases proves its tangibility'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'If you ask a six year old what is 6 times 7, and they say 40, it doesn't mean that 6 times 7 is 40. It means they don't know how to do multiplication yet.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if you ask a religious six year old if you can see air, and if it exists,  or if you ask the same for a soul instead of air... what do they say'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if you ask them about the easter bunny.... is the easter bunny real? they may say yes'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'that means... that to that class of persons who believe in the easter bunny, it is not a mythological figure, but a real entity'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so they will class it as such, wheras missionaries beating such superstitions out of them, might elect to class it another way'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Majic: 'something is "not tangible" in one context and "intangible" in another.' -- as though "intangible" and "not tangible" were different'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'because people believe in something does not mean that it is real.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'xyliz, you misread the sentence.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'a tangible thing makes intangible things tangible.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'in other words, the brain makes God real.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'something is not <- something cannot be.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toker: 'the brain makes nothing real but to the owner of that brain. does not make it tangible'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'put your quotes around tangible instead :P'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Toker.
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'If I take some good drugs and I hallucinate a pink elephant, that doesn't mean there's a pink elephant there no matter how hard I believe it.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'pwn'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic, so we can solve our problem by allowing you to say, that an educated person, might elect to use a dictionary whose classifications of nouns is more in keeping with their institutional beliefs, than an ignorant person's choice of dictionaries which matches their own beliefs better.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toker: 'are u talking language or tangibility'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'No, because you're still attempting to argue that classification of things into concrete nouns and abstract nouns somehow depends on the language.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Which is frankly wrong. '
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'depending on the context, something may be either tangible or intangible'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if a person believes that creationism is correct instead of intelligent design, for example... they might choose a different textbook, and say, no this textboomk is right, yours is wrong'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Sure. Something like 'art' can be either, for example, 'I hung my daughter's art on the fridge' or 'that's great art''
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic it depends on the beliefs of those compiling the dictionary.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and then within subsets of certain practices, such as religious institutions'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and they'd be wrong and their science textbook would be full of misinterpretation of fact'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'only collectively are we worth a damn?'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'that the point?'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nah, I think the point is now that vd is arguing for argument's sake in his vain quest for self-education :P'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toker: 'do vampires glitter or fry in the sun? also, are they tangible? are they real?'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic just because its written does not make it true.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'your mother is tangible, i touched her last night!'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'toker they're real within the context of fiction literature and folklore.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that's the point of chatting on the internet.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toker: 'so theyre fake'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toker: 'if theyre real only in fiction, they are fake'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'buy only a majority belief makes something true?'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's a force of idea thing, Idom.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'belief implies lack of proof though'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'toker that depends on whether or not you live in a real world '
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the more that believe, the more things it can make happen.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'idom yes, if the everyone says the world is flat, or that qaddafi is evil... then its true'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toker: 'well a real world is tangible. an imaginary world is not'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'pretty much'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and if some atheists in the ussr say that god is dead, and some people in brazil says he's not dead... they will probably use different textbooks by choice.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'toker tangible to be touched and sensed, or malleable to be altered... a soul may be more immutable than pizza dough.... but that's not to say that millenia of people have not felt their souls touched.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toker: 'yea welcome to the world of more than one type of government'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'toker, thank you, its nice to be here. i would invite majic but i dont know if they want to be here'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'after a certain point, the whole idea that something was created artificially becomes moot.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'we really can know nothing of truth'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'is the value square-root of -1 tangible or intangible'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toker: 'a soul is not tangible just because ppl think their soul has been touched'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'xlyiz that depends on whether or not you have an extra dimension'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'vampiredude, when someone says their soul is touched, it is a metaphor.  They don't claim it is tangible.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Toker nods at Izocinoc.
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'izcinoc no, your personal beliefs relate their information as a metaphor. many believe it in the 'literal' sense'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toker: 'whether or not they believe it in a literal sense does not impact its tangibility'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'whether or not the speaker felt one waey or another is something people could argue over for a long time =p'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toker: 'tangible is an objective idea'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'toker if i believe that the world is elliptical, it will shape my language because i will use words that do not apply to flat worlds'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'I think gorillas and dolphins should be glad they can't communicate, so that they're spare the agony of listening to discussions like this'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toker: 'thats fine but that doesnt add anything to a tangibility argument'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if i believe the soul is tangible,  for example, to be sold on ebay'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'then it will affect my language. and perhaps my business'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toker: 'the word Zeus does not mean Zeus is real because its a word'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if both i and the seller of the soul believe it is tangible, and discuss it and entreat then contract a sale and transfer in appropriate terms.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'those terms will not call it intangible.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'they said you can touch a soul. i dont think they meant tangibly'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and they will be valid within the association of the words accompaniying in the context of the contract of sale'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toker: 'just because two crazy ppl call it tangible doesnt mean it is'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'its always semantics '
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'even if in some other contexts, tangibilility cannot be applied to said soul'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'figurativly tangible'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toker: 'and a court will not uphold it. trust me, im a lawyer'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'toker but their use of the word tangible, is correct... because they are discussing what they believe to be a tangible object'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'let's try examples.   Joe sells his soul to Sara.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toker: 'not a valid contract. law doesnt recognize crazines'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'courts are retarded'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'Joe gets money, and gives a bill of sale and the soul over.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'at what point is the soul he just transferred any more or any less tangible than the paper money?'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'a soul's tangibility refers to moving someone mentally/emotionally, not literal'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toker: 'cant debate leveling'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'as far as the language of the contract, and of joe and sara are concerned... everything is hunky dory at this point?'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'idom that varies based on the belief of what the soul is.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'i consider it my awareness'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'businesses sell "good will" as part of a business transference'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'I being my soul'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'an atheist would describe joe's sale of the soul to sara as being real in as much as he got money and she got the deed/bill of sale'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and an accountant would be able to do a one time valuation of the soul tied to the value of the sale.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'this "good will" is somewhat "imaginary" or "intangible" although measurable'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'in terms of whether or not the property perchased was the rights to the soul, or the rights and the soul itself...'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'xyliz if its measurable, how can it be tangible ? =)'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or intangible. '
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'our body is not really what we are.. is that what aethiest think?'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'in the long run, there likely is no soul per se '
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'idom a popular theory for atheists is that the self is all an extension of the brain/mind'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'our bodies arent really ours'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'human thought is somewhat intangible and yet somewhat measurable '
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'xyliz i think many psychiatrists would argue with you'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'measureable by a higher being perhaps'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'VampireDude, but your opinions seem immature, rushed, or inexperienced, and not deeply though out yet'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'not deeply thought out yet'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if human thought were tangible, then our memories might be stored in nice peptides, or eating chocolate might cause us to feel like we'd just been fucked.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'xyliz if you take a scientist that tries to see the world through only imperical means, or a court judge that only aknowledges facts with proof....'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'prob a young dumb, full of'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'then there is a major difference between their views, and the views that might be held by a monk, or an internet junkie'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'idom nah, your mom got me drained dry'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'running on fumes =('
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'nice heh'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the speed of human thought may be somewhat measured in iq tests'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'xyliz a dictionary of folklore written for gardnerian variety wiccans would be very different than one written by an american puritan'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'some of the amount of human thought may be somewhat viewed in the volume of authored books'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorsk: 'how is "speed of human thought" defined?'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'xyliz yeah, with those blocks in front of the mirror, i  love that test'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'it can be evaluated, not measured'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'idom just remember, you are living proof that your mother is unchaste.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'unless it comes down to brain physiology'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Idom, if you are too picky-picky, you may blind yourself to the truth'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'idom modern psychiatry relies on brain physiology to earn its bread and its butter.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Idom, if you are not picky-picky enough, you may blind yourself to the truth'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'idom the fun thing is even when science's knowledge of the brain flips a 270 degree turn, psychiatry still quickly finds a way to get current practice to coalesce with the new knowledge'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"narrow is the gate and strait is the path that leadeth to somewhere, and few there be that find that something"'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'from ice picks to prozac and perhaps back again'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'xyliz yeah, good ole sophia and her ill mannered demogorgon/demiurge of a child'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toker: 'who is cooler...aaron rodgers or tom brady?'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toker: 'aardon rodgers, thanks for your participation.'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toker: 'green street hooligans is the best movie ever'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'that like this is england'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toker: 'u live there?'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'the movie.. this is england'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toker: 'oh'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toker: 'i wish i lived there'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toker: 'so i could join a club'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'they like to fight over sports'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toker: 'yea thats awesome'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toker: 'i sense a debate coming'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'kinda scary'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'i like sports, not enough to fight'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toker: 'i think to an extent itd be fun, but not to the point of hospitilization'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'organized chaos, nice'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toker: 'yep'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toker: 'i love when he says he isnt made of glass'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'its been years since i saw that'
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toker: 'have u ever seen '
T3/r5/2011-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Toker: 'what the bleep do we know'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'wow are you out of touch.'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is anybody able to comprehend space?  without a limit?  does space seem like an impossible element?'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'when you think of two thing's, are you the space between your thoughts?'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"Space, the final frontier ... '
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'to seek out new life and new civilizations'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's pretty cool, how if space was all we seen (or could see) we wouldn't see anything beyond our own minds'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'huh? we can "see" for billions of light years'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'through space'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not at space'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: '.... ?'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'To boldly go where no man has gone before, and then boink their women.'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'to hear the lamentation of their women'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think space resemble's a mind and objects within it a reasoning platform for it's imagination'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'I think you're probably high right now'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'high or low, i'm just where i am'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if space had nothing within it, yet existed, it would be a mind without thoughts pretty much'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then they define a reasoning platform and the end result is the guide that is supported by reality'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people use their mind abstractions to declare that mind's are really sequences of material properties of the universe, but the mind existed before their observations'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how is it that the abstract existed before the abstract declared itself not to exist?'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mind might always come before matter'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'unless mind depends on matter'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some religions discuss the universe and death as the hiding place/playground of a dreaming god and the renewal of it's mysteries'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'since each birth knows nothing that it doesn't learn here'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '(some debate that)'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a finite amount of thing's to know and the burden of knowing it all removed by the scythe'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"birth as the renewal of ignorance"'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you were perfect sanity and had no questions but only answers, would you have anywhere to go, any reason to go there and therefore any reason to exist?'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how could you confirm what you don't know without faith?'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'faith is the faulty refuge of fools'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'pretty shadoow stuff that not many people think about, hume, plato, socrates, buddha and krishna'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"experts are usually wrog"'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'pyrrho figured not even the affirmation that nothing exists existed, and that something exists is fully debateable'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"experts are usually wrong"'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'same kind of stuff, faith reqired to lessen the depth of the simple subject matter'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so, everything and nothing, and only darkness is eternal says one hindu, but starlight travels 17 billion+ years before reaching their judgement'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'space is probably eternal, but is it the absence of being within which all being exists?'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then who define'd the outer reaches of the big bang?'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in and out eternal truths?'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i once was in a hole, now i am in a hole'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a hole in a hole, the black hole in the universe'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'metaphor for not being able to see light escaping a point in space'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'when people say the universe i don't know if they mean the space within which galaxies exist or something else'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some people say this reality is only a perception, and others are possible'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'instead of acknowledging that they can't confirm something that they try so hard to confirm, they make it imperfect'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and you end up with sunken madagascars and stuff like that, they can't see beyond their own skin and think ignorance will set them free from responsibility, which they claimed to be knowledgeable of'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're the thinkers of the world, and they're thinking it into the absence of themselves'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they can't even confirm they'll be absent from it, but they base their hedonistic philanthropy's on genocidal perversions of wisdom'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'take that leap of faith, the science assures you'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or was it the money'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hedonism's the driving motivation behind every world leader'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some people pointed out lucifer ran the world, i wasn't able to prove them wrong'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'church on every block with all the majority faithful turning the other cheek while the grande diablo drives them like a herd of cattle in a country song through the sky of ignorance to hell'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Ghost Riders In The Sky http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvGk0rNp1Yc'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and they were led like sheep to the slaughter, the shearers?  went a little too far'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the sheep know their shepherd, but ye know not what ye worship'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'show them themselves on an assembly line and they'll fight less'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's possible to acknowledge that you can't confirm your family is your family when you put aside everything you remember from life and recall that at one point within it you knew nothing'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the walls of the concentraction camp look bigger when you think along a free mind's line's'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'everybody become's a zoo'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how does hell torture it's victim's?  they must have experience of terror and death to fuel her luxury, rebirth Ganga'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hell's the momma and the poppa and nobody even knew the animal they're eating is hell'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the world can look like hell'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'once all of the resources are dried up and intermixed in a rotten waste slop maybe it'll resemble a lake of fire too'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or maybe that lake is space without limits'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's no word i seen for the separation between the self and the world'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the space between two selves is called the world'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how do you define a self?'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the body?  sure, ouija'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the abstraction moving the darkened waters of the pulse'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'fingers move to the will of the mind, mysterious to the user'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mind considers the screen and requires fingers to speak through it'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mind thinks eyes will make them blind'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's some assembly language of the mysteries of life'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'everybody uses them but nobody knows how without first knowing how'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'tell me you manually control every step between your reasoning and your response without relying on ignorance of how it was admonished and i'll consider you something more than human'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'einstein figured human stupidity was limitless, it's been taken to mean alot of thing's, from a racist sentiment to a mockery of the slave class, even a observation'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'are human's limitless?  einstein might have been an optimist not sold to extinction theories'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'reaching just below their potential every day, the paystubs confirm that one dollar to man is as 1 million dollar's to god (of man)'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'fighting the war's those few million to one's set up for them to fight'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'be thankful, at least you aint go no money'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'rich people aren't thankful for what they have, they have no idea of what it's like to not have what they have, except through how they treat other's, which is with increasing holocaust denial frequency, the good guy's one'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'show yourself how much you have and beat one some starving children , feed them some smallpox, maybe cholera and insecticide studies on your new tobacco crop'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'ah, aren't you glad they're merely subhuman reflections of your glory'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'of course it's not everybody's fault, some haven't seen, but some have and they're the one's who make all of the glorious human-enforced disgust flourish in the world'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'berlin has the highest percentage of homosexual's per capita in the world to reflect the nature of the german spirit, i think twice'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'colonize the beggar's, show those middle-eastern people the proper ways of things like you did for germany, thailand and japan'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most people are unaware of what they're fighting for in the long run'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not racist or nothing and doubt anybody's a saint, but i think through the box'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'somebody came to the conclusion themself the other night that i was saying that germany invaded russia not for oil and monopoly money, but to protect itself from the genocidal stalin'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what if your neighbouring country decided it was going to pick off 20 million of it's own and your other neighbour's citizen's just because for the hell of money?'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'would it seem likely that you would fear you're next?'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'would you look for agents of the genocide?'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's a pile of corpses probably nearing the size of the unburnt new york trashpile'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'quite a bit of death'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but, to the victor the good guy'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a simpler solution is to euthanize the fearmonger - problem solved'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the world's alright, not corrupt or nothin'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'good system in place, protects the people who break it's rules the most'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's no chance that some of them pictures of holocaust didn't occur after ww2 in post-ww2 homosexual berlin where jeffrey dahmer was trained?'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nah, society's wearing tampon bikini commercials where a bikini only became acceptable in the 1930's'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hitler had no proven genocidal track record approaching the holocaust.. while the allied russia did'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'guess who helped to put up the berlin wall in history?'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'you ?'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'if that was published in Pravda, then the readers 'd say that the opposite to that published may be the case'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nope, i'm partly austrian russian but my family left there after ww2'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's a certain victory that's felt when you reveal or get through to somebody with the most stubbornly racist or hateful outlook on you as possible'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i always listen to what somebody's saying to me if they're not talking about something they think is to waste time, otherwise i don't care much'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i remember faces but not name's'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who done what i can point out, but not what one was discussin while doing it unless it was more than a hollow point'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's possible to alter them and obscure them through what you done with your imagination'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is homosexuality an evil spirit that confronts and dominate's human's, or a natural course of evolution?'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I'm think natural.'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'I'm guessing choice isn't an option?'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Agreed. I don't think it's a matter of choice. '
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a perverse socio-psycho-disease'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lots of people do, some people can't accept coexisting with them and rally around destroying them, but that is sort of like homophobia which is similar to being confronted by an evil spirit in the first place, here's another evil spirit where their actions are worse'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'you cant procreate, being the problem'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the choice was done in prior lifetimes'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm just curious if you've played with your own nature and seen what is material and what is selectable and what is un-natural but prodding you on one way or another, a drawing like incubus/succubus or what?  insecurity?'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ok, let's put it this way. I can't speak for the rest of you, but I know that being straight was not a conscious decision. I never weighed my options and settled on straight. It's just the way I am. I think the same is true for gays.'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not homosexual myself, but have come across alot of strange manifestations within my psyche which might be what draw's some people towards either being an anti-homosexual extremist or a homosexual'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'some say adultery may lead to homosexuality since if two johns screw the same whore, they are indirectly screwing each other'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i consider them to be possibly evil spirits, science say's it's genetics sometimes'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there is also choice.. '
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'ah, the religious angle and "evil demonic influences"'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Really, Druz? Please share your experience of thinking it over carefully and, of two options that might have been equally appealing, choosing to be straight.'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people have done strange thing's when their mind has fed them some illusion or temptation that they couldn't pinpoint the reason of, those kind of thing's (when they search and find no subconscious/conscious or obvious source) i consider to be possibly demonic'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm pretty much asexual myself, i don't have relationships with anybody, but find females attractive'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'an asexual human - wtf is that crap '
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I firmly believe that it's entirely in the hard wiring. Some people (me, for instance) are utterly straight. Others are utterly gay. And quite a number of people have less clearly defined preferences.'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'and then there are the psychopathic perverts'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, they're sick, Xyliz. Genuinely unwell and unbalanced.'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i've had several experiences where out of the blue a sensation to do something wrong began to consume me, at i looked for it's source to see it nowhere except invisible in the space surrounding me, maybe a twist of light or a increase in room temperature would fuel it onwards, lots of people've experienced similar things'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i've watched as another person showed indications of also being affected by this mysterious presence, sometimes the presence would seem to lead them to smile at me mockingly, like a devil would'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i have an open mind to spirituality through proof's of it's existance like these, and while they are mostly derogatory and a battle to me, when they occur i have proven without a doubt that they are not projections of my known mind or body'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so, hard wiring might not always be the case is what i figure'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like the movie the amytville horror, paranormal activity, the last exorcism or some tale's where overwhelming sensations of sorrow and death plague a person out of nowhere, could sometimes be more than figments of a deranged or mutant neural network'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all them things're re-enacted to some degree from real happenings that people've reported over time'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I'm not saying that think hard wiring is the basis of every single impulse we have (we're all subject to external influences, and they certainly needn't be spiritual or supernatural). I just think the something as broad as general sexual preference is in the code and comes to every one of us perfectly naturally.'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's a town about 130 miles from me where local's claim a vortex of evil exists which take's hold of human's and causes them to kill, it's in police archive's that several people experience dysphoria while there, amnesia and feeling driven or possessed'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and it's a small place, not really given to reasons for violence, especially not in the recorded cases - perhaps a serial killer, but the people had their versions of the story, that they felt possessed'
T3/r5/2011-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Don't go to that town :P'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'william shatner is hosting a show about alien cattle mutilations, lol, cows sex organs and tounges are removed... geez... must be aliens'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'cause hicks arent wierd'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'I postulate that America is full of fat retards.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'not yet'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'according to the surgeon general, only 70% of adults are overweight (bmi 25+), and only 35% are obese (bmi 30+) !'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'You must be American'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Only?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Only 70% are overweight???'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly.
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'That's a HUGE figure.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods at Mekhar.
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Where are you from, Mekhar?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'America :)'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Heh'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'But I'm not fat.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, I'm American and I'm not, either.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and probably not a retard either :)'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Retard is a terrible word, and I regret using it. It's offensice.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Offensive rather,'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Let's use faggot instead of retard.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'It's offensive if used as an insult, I suppose. But not as offensive as calling someone who is actually retarded "differently abled."'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Wait, I'm not gay, so I shouldn't use that one either. Does anyone care to debate that Americans are fat and clueless? I think that's a pretty safe one.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Only really young ones, I'm learning to suspect. The ones who think they know everything about Americans, for example ;)'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'I know EVERYTHING about Aamericans.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Oh wait, that's Obama.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ahh, and there we have it. My suspicions confirmed :D'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'And I am very young, too.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I sensed that.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Not old enough to use the internet alone. My dad is watching over my shoulder.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Disdain: 'Birth Date   : [ 07 Aug 2011 ] Yup, you're young alright :P'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Are you like, psychic??'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I'm better than psychic. I'm old :P'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Ooh, old is like the new dead'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'The new dead. Heh. Kinda like that one.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Ehe, yeah, even us young knowitalls get lucky'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Let's talk about occupy wall street. Anyone know what these cats want yet?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Other than to be noticed?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Yeah, me neither.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'I postulate that Nicole Ritchies new titties don't keep her from looking like a fugly whore.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i think british people are more forgiving of ugliness in their women'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Well ,they would need to be, right?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'next time, she should have some from a cutie-pie princess installed.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'dokkar, is it true that breast jobs can make the nipples less sensitive?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I think it's one of their fetishes, actually'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'probably.  Anything that can sever a nerve makes the target less sensitive.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'nerves don't always stay severed though do they'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Let's say, for a moment, that Nicole Ritchie wasn't herself. Would you date her?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'who is she anyways?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'o.O'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i heard of lionel ritchie'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'I would say no, cuz she's still icky.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if she wasn't her self, whose self would she be?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'dokkar, if you were nicole ritchie, would you date or do yourself?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'I don't know how to spell that chickenhead's name'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'dick cheney?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'she looks like she'd be unpleasant to be around, but that's just me'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'I agree.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'greagan i'd rather be around a girl that knows how to make cookies'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude needs cookies.
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'I don't really have a response to that :D'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'VampireDude, cookies are so fucking easy. Figure that shit out.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'response should be :gives you cookies.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mekhar easier than catholic girls that will bake them for you?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'well, I'm not a girl, so that wouldn't satisfy your statement'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Yes, actually. They take about 10 minutes and don't result in lawsuits.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Criminal charges, rather.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i dunno... i heard mcdonalds got sued for hot cookies'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'McDonald's got sued for coffee, I think.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'yeah, coffee'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oh. coffee'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'I think dunkin donuts might have, too'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'can i sue them for exposing me to alien dna in the form of hair in my donuts'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'No shit? Someone better hit starbucks quick while the iron is hot. Pun intended.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'speaking of coffee, Starbucks wants to do a donation program to help wipe out unemployment by adding $5 to their coffees.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'how will that help?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'VampireDude, I think you might be missing the joke. Dare I say, "Again"?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'more people can go on welfare and thus not be poor, I guess.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'dokkar i thought welfare requird falling under ap overty threshhold or paying child support'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Wrong.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mekhar teach us how to get on welfare'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'I'm sure you've figured that out by now, mate'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you're not much help are you.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Depends, do you need help training your opossum>?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'no, animals obey me just fine'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: '!like your mom!'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude smacks Mekhar out of his boots with a sign reading "YOUR MOM !!"
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'As far as welfare, it taks very little to manipulate the system into getting a check. '
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mekhar ok, let's do it'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'the check cashing places charge like 3%'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'All you have to do is crap out a kid. :P'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'And my mother is dead, thanks for the reminder.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling i can't, mekhars dead mother whom i am involved with, doesnt want kids'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Yeah, have a kid or 3 and you're showered in money that working families deserve.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'lol Vampiredude'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mekhar so, in other words, gotta do child support'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'But if you're childfree, you can fuck off and live under a bridge if you fall on hard times.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling no you can still get welfare in that situation'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'just not enough to get a hud housing, you can still get checks though'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: ''poverty threshhold''
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Give me a break. I work my ass off and can still barely afford the internet.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'go to starbucks, they have free internet'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'I am there right now. I have to buy a coffee to get on!!'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'JK JK'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'thats a lie, they let you on if you buy that piss they call tea'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'lol vampiredude'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and by piss i mean urine.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mekhar so you think i should try to get onto welfare?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'I didnt say that, though I doubt you would have any trouble, should you be so inclined.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'how do you actually do it, is there a form? or do you apply online'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'They will let anyone with a developmental disability in, no problem.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oh, i have not got one of those =('
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'my paperwork specifically says that. *frown*'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Well, thye also give it our for anyone that has kids. Go lose your virginity, already!'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mekhar, your mom wasn't the first.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Another good one. You've got the mother jokes on tap today, bro.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'what can i say, farrah fawcett is nobodys mother'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Generally I make the 'your mom' jokes around here.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'I dont get that one'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Starling, you've been slacking.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I know :('
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ok, well talk to you guys later, if you figure out how to get on welfare lemme know. maybe i could buy a blackberry like my neighbor who is on it'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'he gets 3g internet on it, youtube and netflix'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'seems nice'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'later dude'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I went to wal-mart the other day and it was welfare day'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The whole place stank of unwashed trashy people and their filthy kids.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling good parents dont leave their kids without supervision?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Thank god I only had to get a few things, got into the express lane and got the fuck out of there.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'at the walmart here the express lane is the tobacco lane...'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so there is always a slow line for id checks'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling if i skip showering for a half a day, do you think it'll make a welfare interview easier?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Anyone care to comment on the debt ceiling hike?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Half a day?  Better go half a week.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'nah, i do twice a day, sweating makes me tired'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mekhar it justifies standard and poors downgrade'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Even better.  You have to look like you're on drugs.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it is priming us for an economic hyper-deflation'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling um, i am.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'properly prescribed.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Aren't we all?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Fair enough'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'nothing like some opiods to give you that drugged out vet look eheh.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'btw guys, the v.a. added a new callback feature to decrease long hold times... (social security has had it for more than 10 years)'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the average CEO makes 470000 welfare cheques per year'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil i want to be a ceo instead. how can i get the right education for that'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Yeah, PTSD is virtually indistinguishable from heroine addiction.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'join the mafia?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil what % of italian you need to be for that?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's not all italian you know'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it is if you want to advance'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'There is a Russian mafia, and a fag mafia and an emo mafia too.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil, anyways, gimme a call, gotta go'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'VampireDude doesn't like me. I feel shamed.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'have you made it to his ignore list ?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Not yet, working on it.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'it's a mark of honour'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'I had heard.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'seems to like your mum tho'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'My mum is pretty likeable.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'It's funny that as soon as he logged off two more people joined in the discussion, though.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Any care to comment on the "Occupy Wall Street" movement?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i hear they're moving it to ottawonto soon'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'shouldn't they get more members first?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'It has come here, to my home town of Spokane, Washington. There is a bunch of people standing on a street corner, doing nothing.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'if you dun like that shit you should have voted 10 years ago not sat on a brooklyn bridge and complained'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'If they don't have enough now, they wont.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they risk becoming like the WBC.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'It's not that I don't like it, I jsut don't understand it, still'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most people realize they're just one person and can't do nothing against the trained military bodyguards protecting their poverty'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Agree, Druzil'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or else are more concerned with their next sugarcube'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or.. they just don't care'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'So, why, then? Are these people thinking they are going to get something?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe they will'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Or just for the hell of it? Or just so they can tell their kids "I was an activist!"?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'lol, they are morons'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Like what? Arrested? That's all anyone's gotten so far. Tazed, and arrested.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Or maced. forgot that one.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'keep on tazing , taze enough of them it makes the news, especially when there's no reason to arrest or taze them'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'wonder if any of 'em skipped work to attend?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no no loitering sign hanging on every street, it's free to stand around on and be human traffick'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'The news has been ignoring it intentionally since the beginning.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'what are they complaining about, that they have a free market'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'They are protesting basically everything, from what I understand. Nothing in particular, and too disorganized to provide any means of solving any problems.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe they find it's not much worse than libya or syria in cracking down on protestors as they report on CNN, sans the homicide count'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Just angry. A riot, without most of the violence.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Disdain: 'So basically they're just making asses out of themselves and taking up space? Cool story bro :P'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'are they protesting about food additives ?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'at least they're taking it to where the government is ran from instead of to where the government says it's ran from'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Basically, yes.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'That's my question: WHY???'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'because they are stupid and dont understand whats going on in the world'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'they are frightened and ignorant'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Well, at least they're trying. It's a shame nobody that has a brain cares.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that one guy, chomsky i think, talks about the cost of purposefully keeping your nation ignorant about reality'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Cares to protest, that is.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'villagers with pitchforks'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Chomsky wrote some great stuff. It is becoming more and more applicable to the USA as well.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'lmao "more and more applicable to the USA"  most of his stuff is aimed at the usea'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Wait, any NSA guys monitoring today?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'And yet, it didn't make as much sense when he wrote it.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'nope, they take Mondays off as part of the sweet new contract.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'just because you dont understand it dont mean it was wrong'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Opression is required on a large, observable scale, before action will be taken.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Have you read Chomsky?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'yes.... a long time ago'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'That explains it.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'he has written a lot'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'which bit'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ok, so I've got a max'd 200 dagger that I'll obviously keep. I also have these 201s. I'm figuring that it's still better to rauc 'em and maybe not get a very good price than to object lower 'em for 500 qps. Even at 201 they'll sell for more than 500, I'd think.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'True, I haven't read it all/'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well there was a lenghty mis.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'I was talking about manufacturing consent.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'i DISAGREE !'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Sorry, overruled.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'oh the film every pop socialist with a latte and a Che shirt quotes'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'They Live - Obey, Consume, This is your God http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Lwlx3GnLGs this is one of the coolest movies i never seen on tv'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'check out that little clip, it's awesome'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'It is a book first, film second.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'sorry, overruled.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'I just said that!'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'sorry, overruled'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'It only qorks when I say it, guys.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'works, rather'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'my copyright file says otherwise.  By the way, you need to stop using it without my express written consent.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Oh, snap. Could I get some of that?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'I feel like you guys aren't fully understanding my deep, meaningful points. Perhaps I should use larger words and more punctuation.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'tl;dr'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'For realsies, though, you guys are commies.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'Che for El Presidente'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'And Dr Phil is a douche.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'he not a douche, oprah just confiscated his nuts'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'No, he's a douche. Wait, was he a doctor?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'no'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Anyway, I don't think he ever said anything worth hearing.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'And I own all of the seasons on DVD.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'that cause you are not his demographic'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'his demographic is 30-50 year old housewives :P'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'everything they say the crowd thinks is amazing, somehow 99% of the crowd is unopinionated deviant from the status quo that he or she sets'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'no shit'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: '20-50'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i remember one time where a woman was defending christianity in the crowd while oprah was attacking it, and the crowd got upset at their member'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'That's crazy, since christians are generally such stand-up citizens.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'probably most of the crowd goes to church and doesn't understand what it's supposed to represent'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'It represents.... nothing.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'yeah priest are especallly good, i see them in the news all the time featuring thier exploits'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's true, god is not a thing mentions the bible'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'So, I think they understand it well.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'God was mentioned in the bible. Name another book he was mentioned in. I will say that one is equally significant as the bible.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the koran, the upanishad's, nirvana philosophy, the tao, jainism, the satanic bible, most porno movies'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Exactly.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'god is mentioned in many books, some of those books where collected and made into what you know as a bible'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'some were left out'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Some of them wer cast out and called the Apocrypha. Doesn't make them any less significant.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they use different words to define a ultimate unknown, but it's the unknown presence that exists and is not a thing but a spirit'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'yeah it does'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Which is something that some people call "consciousness".'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yes, hinduism elaborates on that some people a little'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'The only way the bible is more significant is that millions of people own them.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'yes and ?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'It isn't any more "inspired by god" than Barney.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'irrelvant to it's significance'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'So, the stupidity of the masses doesn't make something speciak,'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'No, it isn't. the point is, that regardless of how many people read this drivel, it's still drivel.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'yes it does sheer numbers of retards will overwhelm your reasoning and burn you at the stake'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'without really intending to be a bible apologist, how do you know it's drivel, Mekhar? Are  you stating your opinion, or pronouncing a fact?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Yes, which is kind of anathema to all of the messages mentioned in thesee "significant" books.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'I am stating an opinion, of course.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'does change it's significance'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'doesn't change it's significance'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Glad to know it ;)'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'I have no intimate knowledge of the spritual realml, just like anyone else.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the bible has alot of 'drivelish' impact on the world, in high and low places, whether or not people think the course of action came before the metaphor'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Good point, Druzil.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how come world leader's meet in secret with the pope, and nobody knows what was discussed?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'which part is sorry, anathema...  the burn the sorcerers part or the destroy the heretics part ?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'I think I have been arguing against myself. I concede the point, Xiucozcatl, the bible is significant, much more so than most other books.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'The part about judging at all is anathema. It says that judging should be left to God, and yet, it happens every day in almost every religioin.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'oxygen level's depleting and nature's getting toxicated - the book of revelation portray's a lake of fire, hell emptying out its occupants and deadly end time's, world-wide death scenario's - and madagascar they say might be underwater in 50 years as an example, they keep on drilling the arctic and antarctic and ocean's lookin for more energy in light of the cost on nature - GMO food becomes required after people hated the idea of it due to the absence of nature - and all of this self-destruction of the earth's habitat is fueled by ... maybe a desire from the high or low places of this world to fulfill the book of revelation?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe some of them high or low people believe they're serving god by making the earth as uninhabitable and desolate as imagineable and sealing the absence of recovery for it's inhabitants'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'err want some quotes where judging is encouraged ?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Sure, but you could also say that "Mother nature is angry" and that explains all of that as well.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Yeah, let's hear the quotes.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that might explain the earthquakes, floods and thing's like that, not so much human's destroying everything'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Except that humans come from mother natures own breast. We are her vengeance on ourselves???'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Call it what you want, I guess. There is no right or wrong answer in this case.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'When was Revelation written? A couple thousand years ago? If you were writing a book of prophecy today, would you really concern yourself with two millennia down the pike? Why would people 2000 years ago care to predict so far into the future?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'Genesis Abraham begs God not to kill everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah. [Which is odd, since later (Genesis 22:2-10) Abraham doesn't even question God's request that he kill his own son.] He asks God two good questions: "Wilt thou destroy the righteous with the wicked?" and "Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?" 18:23-25'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who know's, before 1850 when i have two polish bible's'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Yes, that was god saying that he is the judge.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'god made us in his image'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Or, rather, Abraham confirming the fact.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'ie judgemental'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's a verse in the bible 'one day to god is as 1000 years to man', so now you have questions of what day's the writers are talking about, and whether that verse was applied before or after (edited in), it's organized confusion to some'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then on the 3rd day , jesus rose = 3000 years, we're in the 3rd day of jesus god-day grave now'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'There has been numerology found in the bible for centuries linking the end of tuimes with the current generation.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'And yet, it has yet to come.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Bullshit'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'What "current generation" ?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and the one before that, and the one before that one, and so on and so forth all the way back to the time when the bible was supposedly written.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Every generation is the "current generation" at some point'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'The bible also says that it will come "as a thief in the night", and that we will not expect the end. So, why would we know when its about to happen?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The Bible doesn't contain anything that predicts jack shit.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'He means (I think) that many different generations have been convinced by numerology that the end of times is predicted and it is now.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Current generation being whatever generation the person that made the link'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I did find the May 21 stuff to be amusing.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'christian will tell you whatever the imagine will convince you to subscribe to thier newsletter'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Exaclty my point, X.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'What I meant, was that every generation of christianity thinks theirs is the last. '
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the most amusing thing I found was when the medieval pope somehow came up with an exact date and time that the Earth was born.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'And yet, still nothing.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'Well, thanks chaps. Gotta go.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Take care, Mekhar'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'debate god supports slavery:  genesis  It's okay to beat your slaves'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mekhar: 'You as well. I enjoyed stirring the pot a little.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there's a bunch of different people who claim to have calculated the religious age of the earth, some even including an hour.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'debate god supports slavery:  genesis  It's okay to beat your slaves; even if they die you won't be punished, just as long as they survive a day or two after the beating (see verses 21:20-21). But avoid excessive damage to their eyes or teeth. Otherwise you may have to set them free. 21:26-27'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'jesus generation being unfinished (died and rose from the grave in a world of mortal people like us, 2035 or so years ago), is possibly part of how vampire legend and forsaken warlock-type beings were invented, where he says about his disciple, 'if he tarry's till i return, what's that to you?''
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so there's a defense against, well, all those things came to pass 2035 years ago when jesus died, possibly made for exactly that doubtful purpose'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why would the roman's have started a calendar on the day of the man they sentenced to death's death?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'actually, vampire legends came about as a result of a severe lack of knowledge with regards to the dead.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'wtf? romans calendar? what are you talking about?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we base our time on the death of christ'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'BC AD, before christ, after death'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'a) incorrect, AD is anno domini, not after death.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'b) that dating convention happened LONG after the year 0.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'pilate was a roman who sentenced jesus to death, at the point 0 AD'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'for example, the vampiric tendency to immortality was borne when some idiot forgot to bury the body with something (or buried it with something that should've been buried), had to dig it back up, and saw that the body had barely decayed since interrment.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or the crowd was the story says'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the dating system was devised in about year 500.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'c) the roman empire became christian a couple of hundred years after Heyzus'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'about 300-ish, with constantine the great, iirc'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'edict of milan, 313, proclaimed religious tolerance in the roman empire. constantine's conversion was iirc slightly before.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'The Anno Domini dating system was devised in 525 by Dionysius Exiguus to enumerate the years in his Easter table. His system was to replace the Diocletian era that had been used in an old Easter table because he did not wish to continue the memory of a tyrant who persecuted Christians. The last year of the old table, Diocletian 247, was immediately followed by the first year of his table, AD 532.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's a recent vampire movie, called the forsaken or something like that, where there's 7 or 11 or 12 people who are given immortal life from abaddon, who's the angel of the bottomless pit in the bible, so i'm mixed thoughts on origins of vampires'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like i'm mixed thoughts on the origin of the hebrew translation of ichibod (meaning god has left israel), and the legend of sleepy hollow, who has a horseman that kills people, like in the book of revelation for a pact with a witch, as the babylon whore'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'lol and easter is pagan as they come...'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's probably more intelligent design to stupid fairy tales than people toss them off as'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'spend time on the History/Discovery/Science/Green channels this month.  Being Frightober, a lot of halloween specials will be broadcast.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'gotta brew me up some flying potions for the 31st'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Arctic ozone hole blamed for weird weather - Environment Canada cuts could disable future Canadian measurements http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2011/10/03/arctic-ozone-hole.html -- take this for instance, are they just wanting more funding for luxurious pretending to monitor stuff, or is there actually a problem there?  and if there is a problem, isn't that something that can lead to the end of both terrorist and defender?  why wouldn't more be done to address the issue and all affected nations be hellbent on stopping deep-sea drilling and absolutely minimilizing environmental impacts of their actions?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'is an emotional tampon a bad thing?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'Only if it's a used emotional tampon.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hmn. how used is it before its not fresh anymore?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Charlee Sheen shrugs helplessly.
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sheen, find a female, walk up to her, and ask '
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nationalized employment ladders with members of ladders becoming the government is a better type of system than inherited money-positions in a corrupted society'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil nah. arthur c pendleton.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then if you're rich it doesn't get you into the government overseeing anything unless you walked your way up from the bottom'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and your seat's temporary'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm all for abolishing import/export until people learn how to build all of their toys themselves and provide for their own citizens'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ruzil, move to cuba.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nah, that's an ogliarchal society'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'no, its communist, rule for the rich by the people'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i never been there and am not sure of their quality of living, i hear it's not so good in nicaragua though'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil cuba has the export solution you bespake'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do they build whatever they can for themselves and provide homes/ability to live to the people there before catering to foreigners?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if so, that's about the contrast to the minority catering to the foreigners to have more control over their majority populations in most countries'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majority rule ^_^'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it should, but it doesn't cause it has no voice that isn't a minority'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe, splitting countries into municipalities and making each their own country would be a better system'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'let the game's begin'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the new world disorder'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'have to abolish money first to make any headway'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'david bell's assasination politics elimination of money in favor of e-currency?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'e-currencty, what's that'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'google him.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i broke into your computer system's and installed a trojan that says i have a hundred million bank accounts of 2 trillion each'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'therefore, i pwn everything'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'no you didnt =) my computer is offline'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bullshit money, says nothing about the value of a person'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or a decision'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil money is more important in society .'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yes, it is their God'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it think's about as deeply as the priests in the temple of Bel and the Dragon'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's like a headless chicken blinking at it's body's own stupidity, but this body does twitch within the wall's set up for it to remain within (as a metaphor for society and it's decision's made by money)'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'gross metaphor of course, but can you count the amount of brutal massacres occurring for worldly power based on wealth in the last recorded history?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the wealth is mostly based in currency, so money'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'currency implies that everything is for sale.'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yes, and they cast lots for jesus clothing after he upturned the moneychangers tables in the temple of his father'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how much is a human life worth?  270,000 dollar's for some headhunter's of rare and exotic human's, otherwise there's different values, like how much do you want that next snort of cocaine or that shiny new car?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people think egyptians possibly pouring people's lifeblood into the mortar of the great pyramids was somehow barbaric compared to their current society'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'for we have come to that spiritual place called egypt'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'in egypt, you had to literaelly wash off sin in holy pools'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bible informs us that great men, pyramids, existed back in the day's of the giants too, only their homicide was more openly practiced against their slaves'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all of the industries that society's (municipalities) base their culture/backbone of income on are owned by fewer and fewer people, and those who own them automatically assign their children to be beneficiaries more often than not, it's not much different than something like a king and his spoiled brats, is it?'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then the one's making some income (and their friends who go along in the supporting role) support the brat's who become the idol's of their children, who stand no chance of ever being born or having their kid's born rich because those brat's that are their idol's are going to multiply and remove even more of those supporter's friends from the next generation's equation'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but as they'll be bred into obscurity, nobody will notice'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a society where everybody always does what they want might not be feasible though, unless you think some people want to shovel shit and butcher animals'
T3/r5/2011-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's how it is with money though'
T3/r5/2011-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'levered ETFs are exacerbating market volatility in the final hour of trading?'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: '(From TECH): If I may jump in, if someone multiplays to get blessings, and is blessing punk'd, if it's against the rules, why not just punish the player accordingly? '
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'It's not multiplaying unless you give stuff from one character to another.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'It is, however, against the spirit of the daily blessing function to just log in alts only to get free stuff.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Charlee Sheen nods.
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'That's how I understood Lasher's comment, anyway'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'Well, one of the players (from what I understood) multiplayed for the blessings, and is getting bad blessings because of it. I was just wondering why they did that. Wouldn't the normal punishment for mulitplaying be nuking?'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it wasn't multiplaying, it was logging in many alts just to get the blessing while not playing them.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'serves him right for being a greedy prick'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rascally Ryke points excitedly at Dispel Majic!
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rascally Ryke is agreeing with that Seltsimees Dagnir person again...
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'since I'm that player, I'll say it for the 50th time:  THERE WAS NEVER ANY MULTIPLAYING.  ZERO.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'Thank you, Majic. :)'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no multiplaying, but heaps of douchebaggery'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'also very vocal whining'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Which we've already come to expect. :P'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'For sure. :)'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i don't understand the "abe is lying" part tho'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'Abe, like the cake, is a lie.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Trying to understand most of what he writes is a sure way to kill your brain cells. I advise against it.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'But I don't believe that. Abe's helped me COUNTLESS times. '
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'That was on a very old character though.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'debate is over here, morons'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'yea TN I figured, I've got alts that I've spent time levelling, why not log them in and maybe they get some levels or something.  No harm no foul.  Except there actually was an undiscloased foul.  I like to stay in bounds.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'I thought Aardwolf wanted to give every player an equal experience.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and what makes you think otherwise?'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'The conflict at hand.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'don't you think the players actions play a role in the experience?'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'Definitely.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'As a V2, returning to V3 player, I feel it.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'charlie sheen what can i do to improve your experience?'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'Hmmmm. Well, you can't help me, but I know a channel that can. :)'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'pray channel can help if it's an emergency'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'I prayed to IMMs the other day. Had my tampon in the wrong hole. Couldn't figure out what to do about it. :)'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'that's definately not winning'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you were ... trying to stop a nosebleed?'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'she was aiming to avoid waking up in the wet spot'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'The Italian Police had no right to detain Amanda Knox. True or Flase, explain.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's the girl who's roomate was murdered?'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'yes'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Flase.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Detain? She was a murder suspect. That normally qualifies for detention.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lookin at her photograph she doesn't look like killer type to me'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but if they had readon to believe, then that's how it goes'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'was she black?'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'or coloured?'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'No. Why?'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'They apparently beat her into a confession of some sort'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'statistics show she would have been more likely to be guilty if she was a person of color, so detention would have been more justified at the margin'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'i think she was accused of knowing what happened'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'She was accused of murder. That's what she was tried for.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'well, beating people into confession's is never good, did they find out who gave them interrogators their orders?'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it's a facts and circusmtances question'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'She might have been wrongly convicted, but they certainly had every right to detain her.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if that's what she claims and it's not accompanied by death threats one way or another.. it's a shady way to get away with murder in a place where they take care of their own first.. (it seems)'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but i didn't see the killer in her eyes in her photo'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I bloody despise that expression, 'people of color.' Such a saccharine way of saying every goddam person on the face of the earth who's not white.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '"person of color" is a very racist thing to say'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Feeding the troll..'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'yea, i don't see what being "non-white" has anything to do with a crime'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'so white people are colorless?'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I thought it was a phrase that originally wasn't racist'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'I thought white was a color?'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'it's all colors!!'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'in the same way that "black people" was originally very racist?'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'White is all colors'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'Yeah!!!'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Exactly. Evidently white people are perfectly transparent.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'in college diveristy classes I learned that is the only unoffensive term to use'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'so who is right?'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'Abelinc. Obiviously. :)'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i think common sense wins this one'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rascally Ryke sighs.
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'intent should be the standard here, its mine for use of terms like "homosexual" and "gay"'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I'm out on 'native american', too. I was born in St Joseph's Hospital, Syracuse, NY. I don't know how the hell much more native I can get.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'lasher already settled it sheen, I was correct and AL was wrong/lying'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'As opposed to -what-, exactly?'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'As opposed to American Indian, which is what the Indians call themselves.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's next to no pure breed human's in the world, i think'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: '...that's retarded.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'blacks, negroes, african americans, indians, redskins, etc.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'you mean some of us mated with neanderthals?'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just nationalities and leaning more or less to one direction'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Except for whatever they call themselves in their own languages.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'around here we call them redskins'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Using "Indian" anywhere in there is just.. my head asplode.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Only in DC, Kojiro. And then only that damned football team.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the red man with feathers in his hair'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Anybody read Dan Brown's 'The Lost Symbol'? I only mention it cause in it there's an instance of politically correct revisionism taken to an insulting degree...'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'he said jesus had brown skin and slanty eyes?'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the homo sapiens have gotten down with the neanderthals. we carry their genes'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'The entire story takes place in DC. Near the end, there's a scene that mentions the National Museum of Native American History. I thought I was gonna puke into the binding. It's the National Museum of the North American Indian. What presumption on the part of either the author or his editor. Instructing the Indians on proper terminology.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'shem ham and josephet is the genetic diversity according to the post-flood bible'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't know if that actually means something real or not'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'rhavage it could have been unintentioned?'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Do you believe that, Milk? I mean, really. Wouldn't that be the sort of fact-checking that should be *really* elemental? And remember, the whole story takes place in DC. The author knows his way around town. Mostly, anyway. He made a couple of small mistakes.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'uhm, I'm not a fact checker, I'm not sure to what lengths they might go for such a novel'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I know that typos were in that book'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'This would have been a typo of monumental achievement.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'If I could find them, why did they not find and correct them?  Erroneous to assume that it was intentioned...'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'he doesn't respect their way of naming'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'this is why I don't read'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I'm not sure, if you visited it a month or two ago, or read about it for five minutes, and you're not a racist, you might easily funge those terms in your head when you wrote about it later'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'They just went and changed the name, which I found rather offensive.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'You're on a text-based MUD, but you don't read..'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'if you assume the alternate, you assume that they purposefully rewrote it, what was their motive?'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'my wife translates it for me, so I play through a proxy, so to speak'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Oh, okay!'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Like a human screen reader.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'right'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, I'm guessing that their motive was to be politically correct for a readership that might have found the word Indian not to their tastes.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Wait, how can she see the screen from the kitchen?'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hmm. You could swear Rascally Ryke has been here just a second ago. You wonder where he went ...
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic SMACKS Rascally Ryke upside the head, wonder what he did.
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Charlee Sheen pokes Dispel Majic in the ribs.
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'so ASSUMING they even discussed it, I doubt they spent much time on it at all, and I doubt they intended to be malicious to anyone'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'that made me laugh, but my wife wasn't amused'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rascally Ryke sniffs sadly at the way Dispel Majic is treating him.
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hey, why does the bride wear white?'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'to match the rest of the kitchen implements.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'but I still can't believe it was probable that anyone intentionally changed it'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rascally Ryke chuckles politely.
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I don't think they meant to be malicious. I think they meant to appease prickly sensitivities at the expense of accuracy.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'our kitchen is mostly black or brushed silver '
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'books get published all the time with inconsistencies when they intend to refer to real things, big budget movies, too'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one thing that boggles my mind is, how did the custom of putting bowls in their lips and spoons in their ears in ethipoea come about?'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity or incompetence.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is it a cultural symbolic for representation of the poverty levels?'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'although I COUL dbelieve they changed it for legal reasons (ie...we don't want to refer to an actual real thing for lible)'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Agreed, Majic'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'I'm not convinced that things like that aren't simply a corporate decision'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Nah, Milk. They accurately named no end of real DC places.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or were tye conquered and taught to mutilate themselves by the victors?'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'law and order accurately names lots of NY places, but invents fictional businesses and universities..'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, among many other places, they accurately named the Supreme Court and the Library of Congress (although in the case of the latter, they misplaced one of the buildings). The American Indian Museum they simply renamed.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'i think america is gonna be hurting for a long time'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/booknews/6232148/The-Lost-Symbol-and-The-Da-Vinci-Code-author-Dan-Brown-50-factual-errors.html'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'not just america, at least if you're talking economically'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'there seem to be a lot of "factual errors" more egregious that if they fact checked would probably have been fixed, my guess is there was very little checking'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no we will be fine'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'once we cut back on UE bennies'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'eventually, but not soon'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the UE rate would be 100 bps left if bennies weren't 99 damn weeks'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'economically, it's better for many NOT to work than work a hard, low paying job'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ahhh, very cool, Milk. Bringing that up now.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'chinas looking pretty good'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'china is a disaster my friend.  It will come to roost in a few years.  TERRIBLE loans being made'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'the US bale out should be from  the private sector'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: '?'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'tell that to the union fucks at GM and chrysler'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'it'll be a while yet, but unions seem to be fading out'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'wall st. and unions got bailed out together'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'its the only way out'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think all large corporations should be nationalized and administrated by the people within a nation who contribute to them, more money for public services and all that'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ahahahaha. I noticed that screwup of calling the Monument the tallest point in DC, too.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a good old overhaul of the framework that makes the economy'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'making the people the government'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you think 100 years of property law should be ripped up b/c we would fare better without it?'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'the last thing I want to do is put the government in charge of business'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the problem with that is that people in gov't know how to spend and redistribute wealth, but aren't very good at creating it'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'move to russia and see how well you do'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'because that worked SO damn well the last several times it was tried.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'they will steal your money and rape your wife'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'What the hell makes you think it'll be better this time?'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'X has existed for a long time makes no assesment of whether X is good or not.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'think obama will be in office again?'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i do , yep, 100 years ago the greedy weasels who run the land today didn't earn their positions as they currently stand, that is nothing they do with their life to this life that is beneficiary worth what they have, but something they inherited from their ancestor'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the US is nirvana compared to the rest of the world'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I think a lot of the rest of the world would disagree.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'Canadas sitting pretty'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'some would and some wouldn't. The US might not be the best place in the world to live, but it's a fuck of a lot better than many other places.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i believe more in if you're born you should have a chance to be whatever you want within your national system's, many aside, and the land that you don't directly live on shouldn't be hard to part with unless you get tariffs paid to you constantly from it'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I certainly wouldn't call the US nirvana. But having been in quite a lot of the world, I can also way with confidence that it's still largely a very nice place to live.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'evolution's kind of like only the strong and witty survive, but wit involves more than deception and wisdom more than money'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you want to be lazy and play 1000's of hours of aardwolf?  Guess what you are UNLIKELY to succeed and get rich in America.  So don't whine that the system sucks.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'say, not way :P'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and as human's were more able to support the weak and give them place'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I've been to many places in the world.  it's the wild fucking west'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'S. America, Russia, China, India are a JOKe compared to the US'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'europe is hardly better.  Canada is decently comparable'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and then you could've been born in subsaharan africa or someplace.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Or, especially if female, the middle east -- no thanks.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'druzil in america if you are 50 and speak portugese and the mill shuits down, you won't go hungry.  Anywhere else you are fucked, have a nice death'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'yea majic.  Americans have no idea how good they have it.  Especially white males :)'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'even the poorest american has huge opportunity relative to the rest of the world'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that doesn't mean that there aren't other good and relatively safe places to live -- but there are much worse.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you know what's sick?  Is that I can retire at 26 because I know how to make money with money.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Someone was telling me the other day that she'd rather have been born anywhere in the world but America -- it's like 'Really? How about being born in a place where you'd have had your genitals chopped up without anaesthetic as a child?' -- she didn't like that :P'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'If you want to compare the US to, say, Holland or France, then fine -- the States aren't significantly better (or worse, btw). If you want to compare the US to, say, Zimbabwe or Peru, then I invite you to spend time in either of those places and see for yourself.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'lol at the 30% less weight 60,000 feet off the ground'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'only in america is a talent rewarded so absurdly'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'rhavagage do you knwo the UE rate is in France?'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'unemployment rate?'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'i'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'if you didn't go to l'ecole or born into old family money you have zero upward mobility'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'one of the reasons the unemployment rate sucks so fucking much is because of the damn protections given to workers, actually. '
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'No, I don't. But I've spent a lot of time in France and most people looked pretty healthy and comfortable. '
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I forgot how sensibile you are, majic'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'heh.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'good old pragmatic midwesterner i have no doubt'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yep.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Holland seems even more prosperous still.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's true kojiro, i've met very few successful (moderately) people who have done so without the guidance of the rich or their inheritance, but most don't see that all they have is less than one day's pay to the people who rule their worlds'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'very few'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'd still rather live in France than in places like Zimbabwe, though.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just paying off the banks mortgages and the bills with a vacation once every 2 years isn't luxury or relaxing living usually'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'But there are French people there.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'druzil, why should everyone be able to have luxury?'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Amen to that, Majic. And I spent quite a lot of time in Zimbabwe. And that was mostly before the big meltdown. It was poor as hell then, too.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why should anybody be able to have luxury if everybody can't share in some of it?'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Would it be a good idea to put out everyone's eyes because some people are blind?'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Because some people are more talented and driven?'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Why should anyone be able to see if everyone can't share in it?'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'especially when those who have none have none because those who have luxury disrespect what they have and take away everything they can from the one's who have none'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not into that type of satanism'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you aren't entitled to luxury, but you should be entitled to the opportunity in society to work hard and eventually taste it.  Which most can, in america'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Gack... rl calls. Good chat, all. Later.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'think of it like tiers'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Some start out higher than others, but when I went to Cornell there was a student there who'd spent his last 2 years of HS living homeless in the subway.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'tier 9 was impossible for a human to attain, but was reached anyways :)'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'got in on a full scholarship.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'There's no subway in Ithaca.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Oh, sorry. I misread it.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'in nyc.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'majic i would hire that guy any day of the week'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yep, me too. For whatever he thinks he's qualified for. Because if he's not qualified now, he will be soon.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it doesn't matter if EU rate is 95+ he won't be unemployed'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i had a full scholarship too but it's just because of national merit scholar (SATs), so I feel like such a free rider'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'heh, cornell (and many other ivy leagues) now give free tuition if your family's income is under x.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'and here's the crazy thing.. if you know how to borrow money at .5%, and you know how to find investments that are 1 down 5 up and work out in a year, and you can borrow 3-5:1, you can get rich in markets very, very fast.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'work out with 95%+ probability'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'and then retire and cause trouble on aardwolf b/c you're bored'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'or rather, cause entertainment b/c you're bored, which somehow leads to trouble'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'PC Gaems vs. Console games. Which and why?'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Rampagne: 'games'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'heh, I know what I'd do if I had enough money that I could sit around and just be bored :P'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'what?'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i just sit around and make more money'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'until i die and give it all to medical research'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'a) spend more time training the martial art that I love, and visit more weekend seminars I currently can't afford.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'b) donate to educational research, especially STEM, which has goals I approve of.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'where do you decide to distribute your wealth when you die?'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some people give to telemiracle (fundraiser like march of dimes)'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'thinking could well evolve, but if enough to start own research foudnation i'd do that, otherwise give it to a place like Stowers'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'anything involving money involve's human's who could pocket some on the side'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i don't want to treat problems i want to cure them'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'medical research is cool, I'd like to fund space research as well though. '
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I would pay researchers who are passionate about research enough money that they don't have to worry about money'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'if govt spent $200B on research instead of iraq we could have easily cured a disease forever'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Yes. To the point where they can say 'I need this' and you can say 'okay' without saying 'Wait, first I need 234902350923523 pages of ujstification''
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one thing i would do if i were rich, instead of investing in feed the children commercials, i would like to employ a staff of ex-military servicemen as policemen in a sanctuary of land i purchase in that area of the world, and there offer the citizen's some theoretical infrastructure's and security for themselves'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it would be costly with the opposition from those who want to hold them down, but that'd be a good way to seed an idea, and lifestyle that people could learn from'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you would turn wolves into sheep and then release them back into the wild for slaughter?'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not at all sheep'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'noble idea.  I'm afriad some places in the world don't have the culture or natural riches to support democracy and won't for quite a while'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people who want to turn to lives of crime and violence could go to the wilderness where those like them are the reason the city was built'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'if ever'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the internet is the great equalizer, but it will take generations to penetrate the global population'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Any method of kicking the 'wolves' to the wilderness is merely going to result in the wolves returning later to devour the sheep, now fat and happy and considering themselves safe.'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'We wouldn't have had an Arab Spring if we didn't have the 'Net!'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you give people opportunity and every thing they need to advance in a little haven of uncorruptible law, then people see the prosperity that isn't based on money and can be replicated in their own communities'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'But what they'll see is 'I could do so much in there without any scruples ...''
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'plus you could practice with experimental turning a desert into a fertile valley .. what do you call that kind of science'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm aware of the scruples and the cross-eyed look they'd give to anybody trying a project like that'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i think they tried this in a place called the USSR'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'anyhow, fun chat gtg'
T3/r5/2011-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that was new'
T3/r5/2011-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'are there any good union jobs that dont require teaching, government service, or tradecraft?'
T3/r5/2011-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'o.O'
T3/r5/2011-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unplugged Abradix: 'Federal income tax is unconstitutional. The Zeitgeist is coming for me! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUpZhhbKUBo'
T3/r5/2011-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Maelcum: '#OccupyWallSt We ARE the 99%! www.occupywallst.org'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what do you all figure they mean in the bible where they talk about the angel's stomping on the grape's in the winepress on the outskirts of 'the city'?  or the threshingfloor where they separate the grain from the chaff?  one's liquid the other's dust, but both involve extraction, maybe as metaphor's for this level of existance and the judgement of the inner self passing on from here, and while here?  while here what is it then, when the innocent get smashed by the evil?  i'm curious about things like these and what people think of them'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one religion implies (several religions imply) that you're going to get smashed by the evil anyway's, it's how you take it where you get your reward and how much you dish out to be taken back eventually (karma bloody karma, the patience of the saints and emancipation)'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some say that not even taking it all with a shit eating grin is worthy of more than a graceful reward, nothing earned by being patient in some teaching's'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kegstand: 'or you could believe that its all a load of bollocks, when you die, thats it, and get on with life, rather than spending an inordinate amount of time worring what some higher power thinks of your actions.'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Live a good and just life. The sort of God who's going to send you into eternal damnation because you were raised in the "wrong" religion is not one which deserves worship anyway. '
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what if you're hindered from 'getting on with life' by the unseen?  real but not revealable, because people are part of the unseen's tool's to hinder or communicate to you?  this is a question of the devil, god and the human mind, angels and demon's, how can it all be reasonably concluded when one can contradict the other and all are invisible, nothing but concepts and implied presence's?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the unseen and intangible can do nothing to stop you unless you let them.'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kegstand: 'so, what you're saying is invisible forces are preventing you from having a normal life?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think it's good if you can just say i can't do nothing about that but they teach it how they see it to take that burden from my shoulders if ever i feel a need to consider spirituality, but there's a difference between saying and believing that you can keep your mind from it - i don't have very much in this world that keeps my mind off of the unseen, but through this world i've seen the unseen probably exists because of thing's that are logically impossible to happen otherwise, so if you were me, would you just say yeah no need to figure nothing out here, i'll just go on being tormented by the inexplicable and feel like i'm on par with abaddon while staring into the depths of failure?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'help my screen is bledding'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Maybe you need to find something else to do to keep your mind off the unseen.'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'my life hasn't been so much a battle with physical work and comprehension to do tasks in this world as it has been fighting off 'invisble forces' that remove all motivation or display to me pure hatred through the pieces of this world where i'd use those at'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's funny stuff if you think it's nothing but a mental illness'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe it is and i'm just a really good liar to myself'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'druzil r u like this on clan channel and if so how do i ur clan'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Humans are very good at lying to ourselves, period.'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how would you live with your mind, if a uncontrollable part of it battled everything you put it to?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it's called willpower.  Exercise it, bro'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kegstand: 'alcohol.'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how did that spectre arrive in my imagination here at this time while i'm learning calculus?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Find a way to turn that other part back.'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'alcohol can fan the flame's a little bit, and cause a absence of memory, but it doesn't solve nothing'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'when those neurons fire, just ignore them son.  buckle up knuckle stiff upper lip and all'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Regular physical activity helped a lot with excess worries, for myself.'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe more physical work would be good for me, that's something i'll try, but i have failed before'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Regular mental activity as well, giving your brain something to work on other than just spacking out.'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'when i got into physical work with other people it turned into a game of them versus me, and none of them knew a single thing about me'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Maybe you'd be better off with solo for now -- competing against yourself on a treadmill or running or lifting.'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'complete stranger's would be tickling the back of my mind to look somewhere, and i'd look and they're looking at me smiling, what is that?  the images that went through my head before lookin at them were enough to make anybody go nuts'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then they're there staring at me and grinning'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'people smile sometimes because they're thinking happy thoughts or trying to be friendly.'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i blink and they're still doing it, no communication happened, i know nothing about them, but there's this impossible opposition like it came straight from hell'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that could be, i'd feel bad if that was it and i was just seeing the negatives'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'The problem is that when you start out seeing the negatives, you see them even when they aren't there.'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Like my friend who was fat for a long time -- even though she's very average now, whenever a guy asks her out she assumes he's asking her out of pity for the fat chick.'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'to battle off these distraction's i'd start a world war in my head and destroy everything that opposed my concentration, blast the images to shred's that came to mind because they felt intrusive, while i was here to do a task pertaining to advancement in this world'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'druzil they are probably making fun of you in their invisible head behind those smiles'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'So she creates a self-fulfilling prophecy :P'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'is it dwiiwica?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't want to control everything around me, i just don't want to have it used against me like the devil fighting for my soul'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'uh, no?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'tell her guys don't "pity date"'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'she doesn't believe me :P'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'they might think it's easier to get in some fat chick's pussy but it aint' relationshi pdating'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's easy to think that they have the answer and this is just normal stuff, easy to hand out a bottle of effexor XR to everybody who's depressed, even though it has the highest post-prescription suicide rate among them all, maybe cause it's prescribed more'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'thing is that they're merely aid's to your psyche that if not understood how to battle result in dementia'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i remember dwi being very sensitive about her weight and also that she liked horses (or ponies?)'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'horses.'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'maybe she should get with thrakun he likes animals too'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'wow, these magic pills didn't fix nothing, i think more about the end now than ever before, this'll never get better'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'pills aren't the solution, at best they're a crutch to help you find the solution.'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '7 out of 500 people who were given a clinical real-tablet showed benefits that can be directly linked to the tablet, out of 500 placebo's more than 7 showed benefit's but how could they be linked?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so, that's why i was considering the threshingfloor and winepress 'prophecies' or metaphor's in the bible, if it's somehow linked to what kind of stuff goes through my head and what i witnessed in the world'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'druzil you sound like a psycho'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so what'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'Good for him then. There is no place for sanity in this world.'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'how will you fit in and feel appreciated if you act so psycho?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not starting a cult or writing fictional horror stories about serial killer's, i'm just discussing psychiatry, psychology, spirituality, religion and metaphor's, and what do they mean to people, and what do people think about this, and what would you do if..'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'Who cares? Who says we need someone else's approval?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do some exercise they say, i'll try that out cause maybe it will help somewhat, but i pointed out what happens when i do exercise with people around'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kegstand: 'Why not embrace the idea that there are no other forces, divine or diabolic, influencing you or others?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I would call the cops if... you came near my house'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i've seen what looked like a bird become possessed in a instant while i was riding my quad down the gravel road one day, this bird came paralell to me and flew alongside my head, and it's eye's turned a deep red'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '99% of people are so tucked into their own little world that they wouldn't notice unless you were dancing naked down the street.'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Charlie Sheen lost approval and fell from monetary grace (again)'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'I'd call Hogwarts, Kojiro. I'd tell them I have their troll on my doorstep. If you came to my house, that is.'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then it creeped me out a little bit, and it flew into a approach (like to a field) and just sat there on this approach, i pulled over and looked it over'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it looked dazed and confused this little bird did, let me touch it and be within 1 foot of it'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i don't understand, i am an elf evoker'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'indian's seem to put significance into bird's as messenger's in some stories of their folklore - '
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'did you take this demon bird home and cook to send it back to the fiery hell from which it came?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you ever seen this happen to you would you question how impossible demon's are, or spirituality?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'My guess is that the bird was ill. :P'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no, i just drove away and left it there'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kegstand: 'its a bird. birds are wierd. thats it.'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'either that or it thought you had some bread.'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i think i can translate:  druzil was skateboarding down the street and he scared a pigeon'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'It doesn't sound scared, it sounds FEED ME FEED ME'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'nod majic, it may have wanted to taste druzil's soul or sample the mental divergence of his invisible reality'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'more likely it wanted a sandwich :P'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'heh, chuft threw a cigarette butt off a pier once, a seagull swooped down and ate it.'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sounds funny, but if you can fit people and visions into a scenario it's not so funny anymore, because how do you know that those around you are without demonic influence, as little bird may have had amnesia of?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'disorientation of the little bird who was find after being possessed with no memory about it, and wondering how come i'm sitting beside it on the road'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Unless you have an anti-demon pill, there's nothing you can do about it anyway.'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kegstand: 'You know hat Druzil needs? Fight Club. Nothing cures delusions of demons like getting the crap beat out of you.'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'You might as well just live your life.'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the kicker'd be that the person i'm fighting is resisting satan to battle me of his own free will?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'was the bird T5 pthief?  I'm missing mine'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'turns out the whole club was possibly possessed'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kegstand: 'who cares, at least this way you can fight them.'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'best way to fight them if they exist is to fucking ignore them and live your life and say 'fuck you demons, you can't stop me''
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'instead of giving control to them.'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't see what fighting solve's, maybe if you have enough pep for harming other human's you could do fine hunting your own supper with your newly found motivation of survival'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'luxurious sloth is a hard calling to resist my friend'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you're not too far separated from the mindset you project into other's as the threat'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'I haven't been paying attention. Are demons making Druzil crazy?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'No, Druzil's sane. Demons are making everyone else crazy.'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Of course.'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how about the people who make the horror movies in hollywood, spend all of that devoted time into special effects on blood and guts and how real the violence appeared, loving devotion's - how do you think their mindset's fit into your equation when considering me?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is mine just not used for money though it delves into some depths of depravity, theirs is for money and thus purified by caesar?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kegstand: 'have you tried fight club? you can't just dismiss it without experimentation.'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'debate the most sensibile thing you've said yet.  Yes.'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kegstand: 'whois caesar'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'using money as an excuse to be evil in the most spiritual way you can, that's amazing'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the guy who the bible says invented the current money system's'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'druzil if you follow the law of society, it is not evil'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'society defines most good and evil with its law'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kegstand: 'who's bible?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Yeah, who is the bible?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the book titled the bible, which translates to the book'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kegstand: 'who's the author? did they win a peabody?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'partly inspired by the people who mindlessly erected the 13 acre pyramids'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kegstand: 'mindlessly? seems it takes alot of thinking to build something that big. at least alot of thinking to get that many slaves together.'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'pretty sure slaves didnt' build the pyramids'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but it takes no higher purpose than a monumental memorial to your mortal soul in a fight club where the director's never took part in their entertainment?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'not that it matters, but still'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kegstand: 'there is no way the pyramids were build without slave labor'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'well, I'm just saying that all the archeology is starting to point towards there not being slaves, at least not in the building copacity'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'ugh on spelling, but still'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's a theory, some picture's make slave's appear to be a valid assumption, but you can assume alot of thing's from them pictures, even that they were drawn at different time's to fit a current theory instead of a current theory being built from what actually is known'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"mindlessly? - apparently does not proof-read for glaring inconsistencies in the spew of misinformtion'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Og was the last giant mentioned in the bible, who is claimed by some people to have carried massive stone's himself to build himself a structure'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they say the stone's at baal bek are impossible given even today's technology'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'must have been aliens'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'slave aliens'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mindful with a head full of lies?  that's what spirituality is to most people who talk about it, they're just talking out their ass they say, the priests claim demon's exist but believe more in mental illness than insane spirit's?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'alien's are possible, the word alien is used several time's in the bible written in english before the modern technological assumptions about aliens'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'azrael is the devil or angel who some people figure teaches human's how to invent tools like nuclear warheads'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"(likened to) Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own confusion and misinformation: wanderers, to whom the dying storm of darkness is reserved for ever." Jude 1:13 (loosely paraphrased)'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and what does jude say about the world they were raised in?  is it the sea?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who's more of a spirit who moves on the face of the water's in this world, the good god or the evil devil?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'to state that "azrael is the devil or angel" indicates religious beliefs'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so raging wave, are you wondering which spirit is moving your water?  thing's aren't all conclusive, god know's everything by some accounts and everything that confused a person isn't hidden from god what the solution to is, nor beyond him to lead them through it'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the world's full of liar's and false-worker's of miracles who people at least pretend are legitimate'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'pretending really hard doesn't mean you believe something, belief is what separate's a hollow spot from a hallowed point, isn't it?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one's sustenance, the other's a pit'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'd sooner -know- without a doubt that there is no heaven than pretend there is one to make the atrocities of this world seem inconsequential, but exactly that is what some people have in mind is the case'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but then material reality has a sky above this earth, which is called the heaven's in the bible'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you won't know until it's too late to matter.'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'even if you have a near death experience?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'everybody has at least one of those in their life, i think'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'of course, they can also re-create those in the lab'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what natural defenses would a ignorant human have, we don't know everything about this world, to determine who is a evil spirit, who is a good spirit, who is god and who is the devil, if any of these beings were to reveal themself to a person?  after ruling out psychosis for themselves, what they know about mentality considered, they can keep it in mind what they seen, and consider and search it out with their mind, what is this spirit?  this is all done with faith'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how many people possibly met some spirit's who overwhelmed them and made them utmost devotee's instantaneously due to the follower's own ignorance, instead of knowingly choosing?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a critical analyses is required for God to judge a person like this, not a shallow human judgement, but a test of the soul and to know absolutely (which isn't hidden from God), if the deceived were found taken advantage of, would a God who's mercy endureth forever forsake them?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or would they enter into a concept of purgatory for his love for his creature?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'where they're shown what went wrong and what can be learned from it and how to follow him out of it?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'belief in the existence of an all-knowig god indicates a religious belief'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'acknowledgement that i don't know the absolute indicate's honesty'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'among some of the deluded, "the heart is deceitful above all things"'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's what if's until the what is is known absolutely to be unquestionably real, i've been able to acknowledge possibility of both the absence and presence of a all-knowing God'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'a dishonest thief, finding no opportunity to steal, declares his honesty'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i haven't seen an unquestionable scientific discovery, they're still trying to figure out the question of how come this rock doesn't fall up instead of down?  '
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and how did the moon get captured by the earth's weak gravitational pull?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kegstand: 'Wow, you've come a long way.'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'pretty sure they don't think it was captured, at least most mainstream scientists'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'again, nto that it really matters'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kegstand: 'actually the moon is slowly pulling away fromm the earth'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'yeah, but that has nothing to do with its formation, well, very little'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and that's observed within a 120 cap on the lifespan of a human scientist, who doesn't see that the sun appears alot bigger above israel than it does above canada'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'while predictions of cycle's expand into the tens of billions of year's'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they say it took that light 17 billion years to reach this world from that star, and they know this from their laboratory, but that they have witnessed the birth and death of a star 17 billion years ago while not travelling time to see thing's at 16 billion years and 15 billion years'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kegstand: 'wow, science, its amazing. '
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '16 billion / 120 human maximum life expectancy's = 133333333.333333333 scientists's duration's of birth to death studying observations'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one lineage'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're saying the moon's going to drift out of orbit and find a new world to haunt'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm saying they possibly don't have the knowledge required to accurately know that'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'keep's the world on the point of impact though, death's just around the corner and we can't escape it after all'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the frantic pace of dying ?  the optimist'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think that's the reason why the arctic's oil reserves are worth more than the arctic'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they have to fuel their studies how to escape their ignorance'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i recommend scientists read the daemonology by king james and note how the devil get's them to worship him'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in theory'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the best book king james ever wrote, actually'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the devil's the destroyer, he might be doing a mighty fine job through science'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's science in the world today that is absolute ignorant theory to most of the participants but which entails real threat's to mortal life, which scientists have declared the be all end all of being conscious in some circumstances'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'pretty strange science isn't it?  destroy's itself from the world'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they were just sacrificing a few billion goat's to satan after all'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'world population is a problem but they teach the most immorality you ever seen through the media they're raised codependent on, both in feeding it's content and feeding their minds?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'are they trying to say something with their decisions?  was the holocaust the last holocaust we'll ever see after cambodia?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'according to memory of the media'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do they desire humanity to repeat the same process over and over again?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's quite the theologian to put the human race's fate in'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'I bet your a hoot at parties'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how come politician's don't explain thing's in plain term's, about the proper course of action's to lead to a productive life here on earth, which aren't betrayed by eventual genocide for the descendents of immorality's own ignorance?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is not making sense the secret of being a wise leader?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'd wager that somewhere in the world at this moment is somebody who's taking a gainful pleasure from the procedural decimation of humanity by it's own stupidity, let them have their sugar while i burn in hell whisper's the devil, i already know their fate?  what else could the being be who run's people like this?  just an evil human group of dictator's who indulge in mass-murder?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'stoking the flame's, go eat some sugar!  that is what make's me sour for later'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hawking's is a pretty influencial guy, perhap's people in similar disabled circumstances as him have a secret desire for humanity to destroy itself through the pleasures of the flesh that were denied them'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it might sound bigoted or whatever, but it's how psychology work's, they generalize everything into schizophrenia and mania'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'What is depression?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe a evil spirit in some cases, or a group of them who subject your soul to torment'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's tales of possession which follow those line's, i don't see what's impossible about it, people aren't naturally self-destructive are they?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how would the first biological lifeform have survived if it was against itself?  a culture of them might have taught one another who's to feel better than the other's'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '[08 Oct 02:26:27] (Debate) Druzil: 'they say it took that light 17 billion years to reach this world from that star, ..."  "they"? - likely a pseudonym used by Druzil'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're your intellectual elite who write in science journal's'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'journals*'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'unless the steady state theory is back in vogue or the age of the universe was reevaluated past 15 billion years,  the current recent intellectual elites never wrote "took that light 17 billion years to reach this world"  in any respectable science journal, (except as a joke or a parody)'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's what they say is the farthest recorded source of light known to man'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '17 billion light years'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it might travel 17 billion more on the other side of the earth too'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the light did not travel 17 billion-years-of-*time*'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they say it takes so many years to reach here from there by their factor's of light travel'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they base their estimations of the universe on that'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'factors*'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Sneaky apostrophes getting all up in here'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no way they can confirm it, but they theorize it'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'known way*'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'according to the big bang model, the current universe is only 15 billion years old, which is less than 17 billion years '
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'thought it was more like a bit under 14.'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'atheism was far simpler with the steady state theory -- the big bang model suggests the existence of a god of big bangs'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Not really...just the time/notime paradox'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nothing wrong with theories as long as , as long as there is an alternative possibility, those aren't denied and persecuted like holy war's in order to make it more likely than not'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'It's just the one dock, really.'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the "time/notime paradox" indicates something akin to a deep religious belief'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No, having Bible parties indicates a deep religious belief'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'time/notime indicates an acceptance that current science doesn't have 100% of the answers'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so religion proposes there might be an intelligent lord over lifeforms'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's wrong with being thankful towards the possiblity?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Thankful? If god as Christianity describes him existed, I would choose to oppose him, based on his actions'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the "time/notime paradox" is where a deluded scientist in the grips of a deep faith states with a straight face and deep religious conviction that "before the big bang, time did not exist"'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ranrr rapidly nods twice at Vakieh, in complete agreement.
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Again, no - the theory is that the Big Bang *caused* time as a dimension to come into existence'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Which is the reason the Big Bang just 'happened' to be at the beginning'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I think some people here need to read up on the latest scientific articles on tbbt. A lot has happened in the last few years in that area.'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Yeah, apparently laugh tracks are all the rage now'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And I don't mean you, Vakieh :)'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"during an eternity of no time, suddenly for no apparent reason at all, time starts and a whole huge complex universe explodes into existence from a singularity" <-- that crap is harder to believe than the existence of a god'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You can't have an eternity of time when there IS no time!'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is there any other time besides now?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's because it's something you invented yourself.'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'perhaps that is the "eternity of no time paradox"'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'like: during the eternity of no time when nothing at all existed, suddenly from a point-singularity, a whole huge universe of intense detailed complexity explodes into existence, (replete with complex science down to the quantum level of subatomic particles with the abilities of quantum computers), from scratch, all from nothing'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'A wizard did it.'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'read up on tbbt, and stop inventing scientific theories'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Actually, multiverse theory answers that one quite succinctly - there are an infinite number of universes - ours just happens to have the exact right quantum mechanics for all of this awesome stuff to work the way it does'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So therefore god is the result of selection bias'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'I was just going to say, there's other scientific theories out there'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the atheists solemnly declare that the "wizard" is not "god''
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Wizards, god, same thing. They all wear pointy hats.'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Just like Imperial Wizards...'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rascally Ryke coughs loudly.
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'God is a member of the KKK! I knew it. I guess WBC figured that out already, though.'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Ever seen the pope...mighty suspicious hat, that'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'It is, isn't it?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'meh, this discussion doesn't matter anyway, you're all figments of my imagination'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Not to mention the pope-mobile - bulletproof glass, for when god isn't enough...hang on'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'then your imagination is seriously lacking to invent all of us'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Can you imagine me a stripper? Little bored over here'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'hey, I never said it was a good imagination'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'I could, but I won't'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you don't need to be the member of a certain religious sect in order to be accepted by god, (jesus in the story tells his followers to call -no man- father, but their father who art in heaven)'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'priests are called father by followers on earth in contradiction to this biblical saying, seemingly'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'acutally, their father who are everywhere.'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'who art* everywhere'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'God is a graffiti artist'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'he's in my toilet watching me poop ?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'king james had a team change a few things from the geneva bible for his own... purposes'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'he's also in your colon'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'gay'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'I don't make the rules'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'is he the one that wanted the divorce?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'is he in the van when priests touch little children ?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zela records onto a tape-recorder and plays back the statement "you're all figments of my imagination" --- a solipsistic tape-recorder
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'God made some pretty shitty design choices - omnipotent/omniscient, yet creates a world where his son must die...'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'yes, yes he is'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Could have at least made it a second-cousin or something'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'if people believe God created this world, they should ask why he did such a piss poor job'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'he also created squid brains, which are inherently stupid'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'both the enemies of jesus and jesus in the bible referred to God, but jesus said to the others that they don't know what they worship, so what were each side calling God?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's more than one God in the bible'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'can god make a rock so big the he cant lift it ?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'and I'm not being funny about that, their esophagus passing through their brain, so they can't swallow anything too large'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'yay god paradox'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I prefer - can Jesus microwave a hot pocket so hot he can't eat it?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Vakieh, which son was that supposed son of god - there were numerous contenders in pagan mythos'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Pick one - they're all good'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'hmmm hot pockets'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'god paradox - please construct something that cannot be done without 'not' part'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'and why doesnt prayer restore amputated limbs ?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'cause they area amputated'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'ask for anything jesus said'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the fake sons of god are not good enough to be the true son of god'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'according to the bible anything is possible to he who believes, and jesus says is it not written that ye shall not tempt the lord thy god, and then that man shall live by every word which proceedeth from the mouth of God'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'What about Brian?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'if you amputate your finger, then why prayer should return it back?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'i want my granpa to have the legs that he got blown off while trying to save cambodian children from a landmine'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'What if a truck amputates your leg? Can I get a redo?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'right, landmine, so effect of war'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'might be that at some point in time there were people who could do seemingly impossible thing's through faith which aren't done these day's'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'why god would want to mess with war?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'but granpa is holy and righteous'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'he deserves legs'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zela is yet to observe a grain of mustard seed move a huge mountain to the sea
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'so he had legs, till has taken part in war'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'maybe god just doesn't care that much about what we're doing over here'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'war is positively commanded in the old testament, also known as the holy book of the jews'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the hebrew "book of war" was destroyed'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'jesus actively supports torah law, books 1-5 of old testament'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'still, it is not important whether you kill or save people on war, important part is that you take part in it'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'so, war consequences are human responsibility'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'That seems like a really dumb statement...'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'that is true, jesus did support torah law'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'leveiticus is full of fun things'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'thats book 3'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm sure if there is a god he doesn't turn a blind eye to affliction, people argue that this is proof that god either is evil or doesn't exist, while both are seemingly possible it could be that god is the victim and the destroyer is denying that god see's through his eye's'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's what i think about it anyways, some argue that god is a dumb idiot, but that's cause of the either or'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'there is no need to prove that god doesn't exist'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'you can also think it this way: god gave you ability to change everything, so if you prefer not to have legs then it is your choice'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'but it's fun trying'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'by change everything I mean real change - you can recreate parts of your body'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?|Then he is not omnipotent.|Is he able, but not willing?|Then he is malevolent.|Is he both able and willing?|Then whence cometh evil?|Is he neither able nor willing?|Then why call him |God?    Epicurus - Greek philosopher, BC 341-270'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'yay wikipedia'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'when Jesus allegedly quoted from the torah law, Jesus did not necessarily believe in that torah law'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the bible says to mortify the deed's of the flesh, and that only two, or was it 3 people, have ever been translated from mortal flesh to spiritual bodies without dying first?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'there is no evil except so-called 'evil''
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they consider god like an author'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Jesus is evil if he promotes the thorah law'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'that is a falacy epicurius didnt say that'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So god approves of kids with radiation poisoning so bad they have holes clean through their spines? Look up Chirnobyl, and see some pics...'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Chernobyl*'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and you see the kid's as victim's, which they are, and the light in their eye's not as a spirit, but as a depersonalized casualty of scientific progress'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'and what if you can influence your body? just think 'I am healthy' and you are'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if the light in their eye's is a spirit, then that is God to some people'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'then, why accuse God? You can heal yourself'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'debate double blind tests show for many propblem you can heal yourself'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'though, the hardest part of healing yourself is to start believe that it is even possible'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'for example: Inedia, have you heard about it?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'some people claim they can live without food'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'so why in Africa people die of hunger?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'they go quiet after 6 weeks tho'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Self healing is considered by most Christian denominations to be the work of the devil (Reiki, etc) - you need prayer, they say'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I heal myself all the time. That's biology, not magic.'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'what if you pray yourself healthy?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'dumbasses can claim anything... lets back it up with some evidence'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'there is no such thing like 'magic', only uneducated people'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'then hang on for canonization'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'simple think like going through walls - will you consider it 'magic'?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'still, it is theoretically possible'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'By which theory?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'between atoms there are large gaps'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the bible states that one of it's prophet's reason's for seeing the king was 'I AM sent me', that's a pretty simple statement isn't it?  I think, therefore I am, they just went ahead and existed and that was what sent them - the LORD of hosts, his body a host for the spirit that speaks through it?  it's something like that, i figure, but i could be wrong'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'but stupid electrical forces get in the way of everything'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'If we pray for anything that is impossible -- for example, regenerating an amputated limb or moving Mt. Everest to Newark, NJ -- it never happens. We all know that. If we pray for anything that is possible, the results of the prayer will unfold in exact accord with the normal laws of probability. '
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So you figure you could just negate Weak Nuclear force enough to pass through solid matter, but /not/ enough to break down your physical makeup?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the earth is a body for the human thoughts that walk on it?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'like praying for rain or sunshine or something'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'science still believes there is nothing faster than light, or rather believed till recent discoveries'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'those need to be confirmed, though'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'lol shush science ignoramus'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Cool thing about science is that it can change it's opinion when presented with evidence to the contrary'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the sky is a body for the stars to hang from'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'and i'm fairly certain that gravity is magic'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xiucozcatl nods at Vakieh.
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Science changed it's theories all the time to adapt to recent discoveries. That's the definition of science.'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'you can call science as 'search for true meaning''
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'yet reently there was faster-than-light neutrinos in the news'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Not meaning...there need not be any meaning'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'some people call search for true meaning.. religion'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Most people call the search for meaning...agnosticism'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'still, both science and religion are 'uneducated people''
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'science is just our imperfect attempt to understand thing, religon is our attempt to fill the gaps'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'I thought the scientific method was the attempt to fill the gaps'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'little from column a little from b'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'heh'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The God of the Gap was a popular theological theory from 1950s onwards - problem is, the gaps keep getting smaller, and the believers don't like that'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"religion fill the gaps" ??! -- so the big bang model is religion'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'take for example OOBE, some people say that this only dream'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then there's the saying I wonder about, for the world receives its own, with the saying, mortify the deed's of the flesh, and the ignorant survival of the body independent from the being who exists in it (a spirit in a soul?)'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'isnt OOBE a microsoft API ?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then there's a possibility of this world's mainframe being these decaying bodies that it will consume, like the dragon eating up the child from the woman, who shall be saved through childbirth'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'out of body experience'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'that's another thing they can recreate in the lab'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'oh good hate to think bill gates was movin in on hubbards turf'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'you can recreate that with some LSD'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's tough to figure out exactly what the messages in scriptures are, the scripture does say that god is not the author of confusion though, that doesn't explain howcome two people reading the same words can come to absolutely opposite conclusions'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'LSD? I'm in, where's the line?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You can recreate that with someone applying force to your carotid...'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'still, people tend to find reasoning in everything - like somebody suffers so maybe it serves greater purpose'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'why is every discussion on religion supported by the bible, there are other sources of spirituality out there'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'some people just like to watch it all burn'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'of we can go for a hike to... Mushroom Mountain...'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'I am quite sure that bible is true book based on facts'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'there is nothing illogical in bible'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rascally Ryke nods at Trachx.
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'good point'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'because gregan most people here are most familiar with christanity'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'you win'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'you can say harry potter is a true book based on facts'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I am quite sure you are a moron, but each to their own...'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'no you cannot'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'yeah, I know, but still, it's always made me wonder'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If it's a reboot Lasher picks things up - a crash is what is worrying'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Harry Potter is loosely based upon true life events which were first recorded in the bible.'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Trachx, that sarcasm is likely to be lost among the "faithful"'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'im quite happy to discuss islam or smurf worship'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'i've never understood the fascination with smurfs'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's amazing isn't it?  how you think of doing something, you don't have to do it first, or you do something, you don't have to think of it first - consider the vital functions that host your will for instance, or it's ability to be expressed in this world, the body is a mechanism which live's seemingly separately yet codependently with another being who is your (possessor?) '
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'smurfs lived in mushrooms'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'they are blue and wear hats and all male... wats not to understand'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'They're smurfs. Smurfs are awesome. Smurfette was hot. That's it.'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'anyway, bible is like chronicle - just throw away 'future' part and focus you mind on past events'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'the same can be said of my neighbors'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'smurfette is allegedly female'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'smurfette was created by gargamel'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'smurfette is and artifical construct'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Wait, what?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Gargamel made her'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't think it's impossible that another body could exist which doesn't get destroyed like these bodies, yet house the will (the mystery of time) of a being'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'it's true'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'he's trying to say that she got a 'breast enhancement surgery''
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'aka. artificial construct'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'sent to infiltrate and destroy the smurfs, she converted to the noble smurf way of life'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'these bodies are ignorance to their user's, yet they're being used nonetheless, what's known about them was discovered through them'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'she's a silicon golem'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'jokey smurf went to far'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so the world like an imagination, we have ourselves alot of reasoning communication's going on, finding out what a reason for this phenomenon is'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in the end this was wind, but what particles were in it?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who blew it, was the particle carrying the wind or vice versa?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'I love how druzil can continue on with a conversation that everyone has gone past'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greagan: 'I admire dedication'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rascally Ryke sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they say that's how plant's are observed to become immune to monsanto, by communication's through the soil - now it's their endgame plan to poison the soil to prevent such communications from allowing nature to alternate itself to survive man's perversions'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who is they?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they don't seem like too good of people do they?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we're looking through a glass darkly .. '
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what if the sound of some water going down the drain could echo the voice of a spirit to your eyes?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'where did the term 'charges' originate in the criminal justice system?'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sounds to me like a red flag and a bullfighter'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you're going to tell us, i assume'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nope, that's where it originates in my own mind, where it originates in yours may be different'
T3/r5/2011-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i don't have a clue'
T3/r5/2011-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's it mean in the bible where the children of israel turn their back's to  god and look towards him?  or where moses witnessed the backside of god as he passed over him and his congregation?'
T3/r5/2011-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it means God was having an unkosher moment.'
T3/r5/2011-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or who's leviathan the king of the son's of pride who everybody fears but himself does not fear anybody?'
T3/r5/2011-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'pass, next troll.'
T3/r5/2011-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why was the widow going to withhold her meal from her and her son and give him to eat while they were going to eat and die?'
T3/r5/2011-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'elijah'
T3/r5/2011-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and 3 days he was resurrected.. and elijah cried 3 times over the body of the inevitable'
T3/r5/2011-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and jesus stood with the spectre of moses and elijah and discoursed on this anomaly'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'else, death-penalty - but what if the one's who hand out those penalty's only hand them out to those who don't fit their motive's and what they want people to believe?  another persuasion to believe in what prophecy is accepted'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now there's another spirit to consider, the spirit of the one handing out death penalty's to false-prophet's, who's prophecies may span 10,000 years or more'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why would you need a death penalty if you could show that somebody's a fraud and remove the deception from peoples minds?'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the OT answer to many such issues is a death penalty'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'for one astonishingly raised by pharoah and second only to him in egypt, learning their religion and leading his people out of captivity, slaying all of the first born of egypt who didn't splatter blood on their doorframe's - and with this empathetic view towards slavery having written hundreds of verses regarding subjugation of other's and elaborate protocol's for those slave's, it stands to reason it was either edited or flawed from the start'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the moses story out of bondage- that was stolen. it happened to another peoples, i cannot remember which'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'Moses story borrowed from Sarson or Sargon '
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think a perfect god would have seen this in moses and therefore, left him in captivity to pharoah, who did no worse than moses repeated, unless he was just doing a karma routine and bringing about onto pharoah what he brought about onto others, and the cycle continued where israel was defeated again and again by yet other gods'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: '5 secs on googlhjne'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'damn cat'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'there we go. and parts of genesis (the ark, etc) were proven stolen a long time ago'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's a story in the bible somewhere, where david's plan is to have his god preached worldwide onto the heathen, who he has no respect for, and they shall do nothing but eat, work and die in the end'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can't remember which prophet'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'christmas is sol invictus.... yada yada yada... yeah anyone with education knows the whole thing is assimilated'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the OT is a depraved book of lies and deception'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but he reels them in with words of dignity, establishes his or elses and show's the end fate of the people adopting his god'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the OT is the holy book of the jews....'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who is his race and possible offspring'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'christans are a sect of jews'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xiucozcatl yawns.
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the OT is the christian version of the Jewish scriptures'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but try and read through it and comprehend with any absolution the meaning behind the cryptic verses'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's something people maybe can't do without a teacher, who misses the hatred surrounding his verses'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it says in the bible that god is not the author of confusion - so why would people find the bible to be incomrephensible and contradictory and have so many divisions among it's followings?'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cause god isn't the author of the bible?'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe in the authors own mind they is'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'probably, the bible was a great mix-mash of various tales, mostly stolen, that the authors did not take time to make sure the story was straight'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people think it's offensive cause so many people are buried believing in it, or having it calm the mourners'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'doesn't mean an afterlife is impossible, only that the version taught by the corrupt world is possibly faulty'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Aardwolf channels are a bad talk-forum to debate religion - the audience is restricted, the record keeping is deficient, and the intolerant religiouis-nutters are likely to put the "disrespectful" on ignore -- IRC is where the action is'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'irc comes with open ip addresses for offended people to play with'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i usually go here or religion in yahoo to kill time while chatting'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'don't need a wide audience to have something said, i'm not trying to start a cult'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'You want to increase your aardwolf "who ignored": for starters, say something disrespectful about the jews/israel'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that depends what disrespectful is'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'anybody here could be part israeli, if they offend themselves along with somebody else, so what, we all bleed red'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'something "truthful" yet "disrespectful"'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or blue if that's correct'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't believe in racism as being more than ignorance and hatred'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'god made us in his image, but you find foreskins too good for you ?'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hating concepts and debating hatred is two ways to incite a 'racist agenda' in people'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'through certain perspectives'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the foreskin ritual seems to have happened when moses had his foreskin cut off by his wife, cause she thought him a bloody husband'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so cause he was an asshole, everybody after him must be too'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'if god has a foreskin thats good enough for my kid too have one'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'well, most people are assholes so that is a moot point'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Why is it always the Abrahamic religions that incite violence and other fucked up stuff - you don't see Buddhism or Sikhism pulling any of that crap'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the OT is full of war and violence.... '
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'lmao... you dont see it, but that dont mean it dont happen'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they say there's some violent types of hindu's and buddhist-with-old religion sects who might be a little violent'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'lol you american ?'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Extremist Buddhists light *themselves* on fire, not buildings'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'deeply-sanctimonious er deeply- religious christians are intolerant too -- go into so,e/most IRC bible-type rooms and argue something they disagree with -- you are likely to be kicked from the room'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is satanism abrahamic religion?'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'sikhs are required by religion to carry a weapon'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's based on a antagonist in the bible, sometimes'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'temple of set is a bit different but considers him the simile of satan'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: ''some/most" -- the first task is to find a tolerant scripture channel'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The first task is to accept irc is dead'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'that too -- been several years since i wasted effort on irc'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'freenode is ok for tech questions'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'but if you are an ignoramus in a controversial topic yet seeking the truth, irc is great forum for debating and slowly developing knowledge'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'lmao no'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'trolls are all over live chat'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'go read some plausable documents'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'learn to tell wats good'
T3/r5/2011-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'why is it problematic for slightly off-channel discussions to happen on channels when channel activity is otherwise near nil?'
T3/r5/2011-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the tax free status of healthcare provided by companies for employees costs the govt about $225 billion a year...enough to provide almost everyone in the country with universal healthcare.'
T3/r5/2011-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '2nd homes, RVs and boats qualify for the mortgage interest tax deduction, costing the govt $484 billion over 5 years.'
T3/r5/2011-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'what are some popular debates here?'
T3/r5/2011-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'anyone going out for Bank Transfer Day?'
T3/r5/2011-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'what is bank transfer day?'
T3/r5/2011-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hosch: 'Maybe "Weltspartag" ?  (where little kids bring their safed money to the bank)'
T3/r5/2011-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'only the germans would that a holiday, lol'
T3/r5/2011-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hosch: 'No, it's not a holyday'
T3/r5/2011-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'because the banks would be closed ?'
T3/r5/2011-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'B-T Day is Nov 5, it's an offshoot of the Occupy Wall Street protest that's designed to get people to protest with their wallets, by moving their money out of the big banks like Bank of America or Wells Fargo and into small banks and credit unions.'
T3/r5/2011-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hosch: 'no, this year it's on a friday. Worldwide it's on the 31st of October, but this day is in some german countries a holyday (to remember Luther's reformation), so in Germany that day is on a workday before the 31st October.'
T3/r5/2011-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'germans.... sigh'
T3/r5/2011-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hosch: 'Looks like a sane action ...   here in my country the real big banks (e.g. Deutsche Bank) don't have much end-customer accounts'
T3/r5/2011-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'so who owns these small banks ?'
T3/r5/2011-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hosch: 'most people have their accounts in local banks (e.g. Volksbanken, Sparkassen) or in Internet-Banks'
T3/r5/2011-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'where do these small banks get thier credit from ?'
T3/r5/2011-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'My wife lives in a little Dutch town practically on the German border and teaches school in Germany, so I'm there from time to time. It's not a bad place at all.'
T3/r5/2011-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hosch: 'Sparkassen are owned by the counties, Volksbanken by, hmm, not sure what this is in englisch. They are "Genossenschaften".'
T3/r5/2011-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'the american banks... '
T3/r5/2011-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'zombie banks!'
T3/r5/2011-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'iain m banks !'
T3/r5/2011-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hosch: 'they get the credits from the customers (that's actually the purpose of the "Weltspartag", to let kids deposit money for mediocre returns), from other banks, or from the Centralbank'
T3/r5/2011-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'lol, Canadian day spa is offering a $50 gift certificate to people who get themselves arrested for taking part in the vancouver cup riot'
T3/r5/2011-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ol' Dirty Fiendish raises an eyebrow.
T3/r5/2011-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'anybody occupying Wall St.?'
T3/r5/2011-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'The people who live there, probably.'
T3/r5/2011-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amie: 'bunch of homeless people'
T3/r5/2011-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'yeah, a bunch of hippies'
T3/r5/2011-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'besides the good for nothing homeless in the parks'
T3/r5/2011-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so i had a dream last night where a worm is digesting a rat, and linked it to an earlier dream where a worm was placed into a man's asshole for punishment of some form and came out of his mouth as a python'
T3/r5/2011-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all these worm dream's are trippin me out, any advice?'
T3/r5/2011-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what would you interpret them as'
T3/r5/2011-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'vampires or vorhees are cool, but worms? come on now'
T3/r5/2011-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'even a pair of cobra's chasing me through the forest and a river of serpents'
T3/r5/2011-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'reminded me of those crowns the egyptians wore'
T3/r5/2011-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'So, I think it means you're going to have 7 years of diarrhea.'
T3/r5/2011-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i sure hope not'
T3/r5/2011-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i should have took a class on art or writing and made stories for a living'
T3/r5/2011-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm sure everybody has their own share of nightmares though'
T3/r5/2011-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unplugged Abradix: 'Hurrdurrr water fluoridation is gud 4 teef'
T3/r5/2011-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Unplugged Abradix: 'Dumbing down nicely Earth :D'
T3/r5/2011-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'which do you find scarier, being in a location wherein nothing else not rooted to the environment is around or being in a location where the only evidence of something else is a large blood smear?'
T3/r5/2011-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'which do you find scarier, that they build military helicopter engines for china in canada, or that canada can't find the money to purchase it's own military helicopter's from itself?'
T3/r5/2011-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'neither...canada doesn't make helecopters, so couldn't buy from itself'
T3/r5/2011-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'Debate: is scarier the correct term to use'
T3/r5/2011-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yes, but they build the engines that make the rotars swing'
T3/r5/2011-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no they don't'
T3/r5/2011-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'america disarmed canada in the 1950's'
T3/r5/2011-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'canada doesn't manufacture anything'
T3/r5/2011-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'companies manufacture'
T3/r5/2011-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and governments draft ww2 soldiers to die for the genocidal stalin'
T3/r5/2011-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'where the company resides doesn't change who can afford to buy from it, or who they sell to'
T3/r5/2011-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'which soldiers come home and cure polio while building the modern jet engine'
T3/r5/2011-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'give me a toolbox and existing knowledge i could build any kind of engine or weapon on earth myself'
T3/r5/2011-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'get to it, then'
T3/r5/2011-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there was a canadian executed in belgium for building a gun to shoot satellites into orbit in iraq, they say'
T3/r5/2011-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's illegal to be an arms manufacturer without corporate government sponsorship'
T3/r5/2011-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no such thing as corporate government sponsorship'
T3/r5/2011-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no?  like a 500,000 dollar campaign boost from a nuclear power industry that obama supported as a sideshow to his presidency clause?'
T3/r5/2011-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he has a presidency clause?'
T3/r5/2011-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he's not there by the people's own choosing, so yes'
T3/r5/2011-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which clause is this?'
T3/r5/2011-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what document is it a clause of?'
T3/r5/2011-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the harper murdoch clause?  make one up'
T3/r5/2011-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you claimed it existed, why would I make one up?'
T3/r5/2011-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'go back to lawless law school in america'
T3/r5/2011-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'your professor's surname says it alll'
T3/r5/2011-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'cool, what's my professor's surname?'
T3/r5/2011-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'legion'
T3/r5/2011-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's the one that defines the electoral college.  While they usually do go with the people's choice, they don't really have to.  This is how we got the Bush/Gore debacle in Florida.'
T3/r5/2011-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no it isn't'
T3/r5/2011-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and jews didn't change their name's to sound russian but the other way around'
T3/r5/2011-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the electoral college went with the people's choice in bush/gore'
T3/r5/2011-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mine was mis-spelled 4 times at the border'
T3/r5/2011-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what's scarier: that druzil's name was misspelled at the border, or that they let him fucking cross the border at all?'
T3/r5/2011-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i wouldn't go to the states for any reason at all, piles of vermin like you run around them'
T3/r5/2011-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they didn't, that's the beautiful power of the internet.'
T3/r5/2011-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so you just went to the border to see how they spelled your name?'
T3/r5/2011-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'shut up and die in texas'
T3/r5/2011-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hmm, haven't been to texas in a couple years'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'is the seeming absence of humming level 1 quad cure light potions an indication of a conspiracy against level 1 qsitters'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mazroth: 'Is what is humming?'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'is not'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'items with "hum" are able to be used while blinded'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'not even sure that nonhumming quad cure light are readily and cheaply available in level 1 potions/pills'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there goes the canadian wheat board.. without any debate among the citizen's, sound like 1920's russia?  like I said, Harper is the 21st century (early) Stalin'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'reincarnated demon or some shit'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the wheat board gave the people who actually produced grain a voice (monsanto and other's attempt to starve them off their land in these days, pay 48% of annual government revenue through exxon and other oil industries, etc), Stalin was against farmer's making a living and considered them greedy for not selling their grain at prices which they couldn't afford to live off of'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so Stalin had that grain taken by force and the farmers murdered and families starved to death'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in the Ukraine and Russian in 1927-1933'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'monsato will fall, when they create super-weed'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'I mean create not by purpose but accidental - by nature adaptation force'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the super-weed will create itself, courtesy of evolution, Monsanto only provides the horror environment needed to create it'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'sort of like how you get Sardaukar'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'monsanto's owned by the same people who own the other big industries, i'm not sure there's a single independent industry on this world'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'it is big network or mutual connections'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i looked up who owns the stock market on cotton after watching a video on afghanistan farmer's lives and why they choose to grow opium or cannabis by their own free will, and it turned out the owners of exxon owned the cotton stock market, and cotton was one of the few alternative crops they could grow - but cotton couldn't afford to pay for the expenses of living'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'world industries is alot like opium fields and wars on cocaine'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'it is more profitable to have opium farm than cotton'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hello, exxon is an oil company, not a cotton company...if you want cotton, talk to hanes. :p'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'companies can be owned by companies, who owns the companies?  companies owned by the same people - and these companies are the ones that make governments rich, and eventually overtake them'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's why corporate tax cuts create more jobs and small businesses are abolished'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'shareholders own exxon, no other company.'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'well, there are some countries where government nationalize private property'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and exxon invests in oil and gas, and renewables, not cotton.'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'shareholder = anyone who owns stock, not just individuals who own stock'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'rizgoth, didn't you read? he saw a video!'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'yeah, I watched a simpsons video once also.'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they didn't mention who owns the stocks on the video, i researched that myself'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'guess I know all about Duff beer now.'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'care to divulge HOW you researched it?'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they showed a poor afghan family growing cannabis with his son by his side explaining through a translator that he can't afford to feed his family with cotton prices'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or better, which of your personalities researched it?'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so he chose cannabis because he seen it as the lesser of two evils'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'is more than sure, that 20% people owns more than rest - 80%'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sure, and US farmers moved to tobacco for the same reason a hundred years ago'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it has nothing to do with corporate'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'people want cheap t-shirts'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'in fact, people want to be rich'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'though, because they are poor, they choos cheap t-shirts'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'also, choose cheap other things - but is is not so cheap at the end'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'people want to be rich, but people often don't do productive things to become so'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I don't see why, they'll just have to pay more taxes and get whined at for being evil, greedy bastards.'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's one funny thing for the majority christian world to consider, how mixed garments are an abomination, yet can you find any clothing without polyester in it along with the cotton?'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you become rich by having your money work for you, not by working for money.'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'didn't you hear, dokkar, the rich don't pay ANY taxes'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's very few of that sold in the world, but it is a waste disposal technique for oil byproducts'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yet again, Dashiell: 'of course not.'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yet again, Dashiell: 'That's why they have hired tax evaders.'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they pay most of the tax burden'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what're you talking about druzil, 100% cotton clothes are all over the place'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yet again, Dashiell: 'The rich do not pay taxes, the homeless and jobless pay all of them.'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Ah, you mean like the 40% of income taxes ExxonMobil paid in 2010?'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'how do the homeless pay taxes now?'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Yet again, Dashiell: '</sarcasm>'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You cant judge a big company just because GE was able to pay hardly any taxes last year because of massive losses on investments in other countries.'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Micodemus: 'in regards to Stalin and Ukraine, he also induced the forced famine, aka holodomor, in order to conquer the land and the people. (yes - a bit late to the debate lol)'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'd be interested to know what russia's dealings with china were like during that time'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'china's a shady area in ww2 history, don't hear much about them - but canada is being advised by it's billionairres that it's best to invest in the asian market, cause the future belongs to them'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'probably not good, the bear and the dragon fought an epic battle that trashed China not long before.'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Producers were deeply suspicious of the business practises of these companies and hostile to their positions of power. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Wheat_Board so the wheat board was formed as a means by which companies can't monopolize and seize control over the common farmer's, and now that most farmer's work for those companies on the side it is no longer profitable?  maybe sometime like that, mentions ww1'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'The Canadian Wheat Board has a monopoly on the marketing of wheat and barley in Western Canada and is facing questions, both from within Canada and from abroad, about its relevance in an era of global trade.  http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/agriculture/cwb.html now the council of 10 farmer's from the producing provinces will be removed (elected by other farmers) and the 4 overseer's. '
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but wiki says it's not a monopoly }:>'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'ANALYSIS: 'Oppressive' no more: Harper's 'reorganized' Wheat Board http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/story/2011/10/16/pol-wheat-board-analysis.html'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yet most farmer's don't want to see it dismantled, go figure'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they announced on the radio today that the wheat board is no more'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'why would they want it dismantled...it buys their crops'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they had no say in the matter'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sure they did'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'by somebody who never farmed a day in their life?  sure they did'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're confused as to which direction the board worked...'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the board was pro-farmer, anti-competition'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most farmers wondered how come all meetings about their work are held in niagara falls (where the mafia ran thing's near the time of the montreal gang wars) instead of where people actually farm, like manitoba'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the reason's pretty clear'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, the board's headquarters is in manitoba...you're right, the reason is quite clear...it's more fun to get a trip to niagara falls and head to lundy's lane'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'mints/peppermints provides fun for everyone ;-)'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yep, as all the small farmer's can't afford that trip and it's not sponsored by the people hosting it'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the small farmer doesn't need to attend for their interests'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's just a prelude to ww3, like ww2 never ended and the berlin wall was erected after the conquer of berlin'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the berlin wall wasn't erected after WW2'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '(rather, it was post-WW2, just nowhere near the end of the war)'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'korea, guatemala, vietnam, serbia, cambodia, iraq, pause, iraq, afghanistan, libya, ...iran..., yemen'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, those are countries'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'countries that america made war on either directly or indirectly ever since the 'end' of world war 2'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they even made fun of oppressed german women on the sitcom MASH'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'america fighting conflicts has to do with the canadian farmer coalition how?'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's a grand conspiracy that will reveal itself in time, even though most people can't see the real links'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'druzil most people don't act out of the "good of their community".  They act out of their own selfish interest'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and that's the kind of war that is never fought'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viridi: 'kojiro is refusing to paint my chicken fence while he says this all, mind you'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that'd be the righteous fight'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'why are you making him paint chickenwire?'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you cannot fight a war against human nature, you can only create a system that harnesses it and maximizes it in aggregate (CAPITALISM)'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'viridi wants me to paint his chicken fence for the good of the community meanwhile he eats my bread'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viridi: 'well, old hebrew law says you can take some of the farmers crops from the edge if you are travelling'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Viridi: 'and maybe i don't like crops, maybe i like bread, or cigarettes'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'Capitalism and technology:  the future of the humanity'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'and baking viridi bread and painting the chicken fence for the commune makes me happy and contented'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'even when jewish law says he doesn't have to work on saturday so he makes me pick his tobacco in the sun'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'but it's for the good of all because if i pick tobacco, then EVERYONE has more tobacco so i am happy'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'China GDP per capita:  $3,744.  Canada GDP per capita:  $39,599   the Canadians are filthy rich.    Canadians are doing fine'
T3/r5/2011-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'they are doing fine because they have the oil'
T3/r5/2011-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the greeks are f'd'
T3/r5/2011-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, but they like greek'
T3/r5/2011-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the whole country is a disaster'
T3/r5/2011-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'just withdraw from the euro and bring back the drachma and l2 privatize'
T3/r5/2011-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'if the constitution says that government workers cannot be fired, government workers are not going to work very hard'
T3/r5/2011-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'if i was greek i would be embarassed and ashamed of my country'
T3/r5/2011-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the persians would have done better'
T3/r5/2011-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'earth sux'
T3/r5/2011-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'heh....just kidding'
T3/r5/2011-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i love it when economists can't agree with each other'
T3/r5/2011-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's like watching two lesbians having a mud fight'
T3/r5/2011-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'when does that NOT occour'
T3/r5/2011-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I think I've had just about enough of God Bless America every 7th inning. Enough with the post-9/11 peer pressure patriotism. As though we've forgotten where we live between the first inning and the seventh.'
T3/r5/2011-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we should also get rid of the national holidays celebrating the marriage of beer and brats.'
T3/r5/2011-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ahhh, thanks for that pertinent response :P'
T3/r5/2011-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'It used to be that they just played it. Now the announcer asks the crowd to stand up. At Nationals Park I had some guy tell me to take my hat off. No. It's not the national anthem.'
T3/r5/2011-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it might be a park rule, though.  Like when to stand up or sit down in the seat you paid for.'
T3/r5/2011-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'A park rule? They make rules for when you can stand or sit?'
T3/r5/2011-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'yeah, most venues are just "pfft, whatever, just don't cause a scene." but some leave it up to the event staff (for example, some musicians want people to be kicked out during the show if they stand up for a slow song)'
T3/r5/2011-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Hmmm. Somehow, I don't think this is quite the same thing. I'm afraid that I think this is our deeply troubled country running scared, and if we all recite the same mantra everything will be all right.'
T3/r5/2011-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'true, I'm just saying that sometimes it's not the place you go to making the rules.'
T3/r5/2011-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I guess. All I'm saying is that I'm sick to the gills of God Bless America at the 7th inning stretch. I'm much prefer that we went back to Take Me Out to the Ball Game and didn't worry about minding our patriotism. It's patriotism enough.'
T3/r5/2011-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'The most patriotic people I know don't feel the need to trumpet it from the rooftops.'
T3/r5/2011-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'do you have what it takes to be a Citizen?'
T3/r5/2011-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Yes, Majic. I couldn't agree more.'
T3/r5/2011-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Do I have what it takes to be a citizen. Well, how about 23 years as a professional firefighter and a few more as a fire and ems dispatcher in DC, along with raising a family and paying my taxes every year. Does that qualify?'
T3/r5/2011-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'heh, I take it you never watched Starship Troopers?'
T3/r5/2011-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I didn't need to. I read it. Heinlein.'
T3/r5/2011-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the movie's better, all those fake latinos are hot.'
T3/r5/2011-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the book >>> the movie anyway :P'
T3/r5/2011-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'especially that Rico guy.'
T3/r5/2011-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Sigh. It's late. Night, all.'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remarto: 'lol'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'fifth estate tv documentary "Conspiracy Rising, col gadhafi"  was informative on western corruption supporting and using that tyrant'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Gadhafi dead, news at 11'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yay for 12 hour old news'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Canada's CSIS agents were using Gadhafi's torture services'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'oh no '
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Harper's Canada's CSIS agents were using Gadhafi's torture services -- two-faced Harper is rejoicing at the events in Libya -- this suggests that alternative torture services are readily available'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Or that, you know, they think that sulking would look bad'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Gadhafi was supposed to die slowly and terribly'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if only people could agree that since we're going to die anyways, it's best to go ahead and not hasten the event for one another instead of taking more than required for our own gluttonous retardation's, as the majority of human population is below the poverty level if they turned a deaf ear to the one's who say otherwise none of the conflicts in the world would be occurring'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'whoever decided that instead of having yourself some supper and the basic pleasures of existance you'd rather risk your neck and take twice what you already have from other's?'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the very history of human stupidity isn't recorded anywhere, so they say it was aliens'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this is neccessary actions of blowing up people because people hold people up who we're blowing up in their positions, yet are tyranized and require our assistance in taking their dictator's position over them'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they never say things simply, the basic logic behind everything, we buy gun's and sell gun's to eachother and they in turn sell guns to people who we send our soldiers against'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so, quit selling guns and h osting arms dealers'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the Boy Scouts are like those religions that protect pedophiles'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you don't get very far with a club and your muscle's verus a wall of people like yourself'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now you get yourself a automatic rifle in a population of disarmed people who want to live and you're talking the skills of politics'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'endless idiocy, they nearly never report anything good on the news'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the powers that be have crossed another line and as a result 50 million people are bursting with maggots'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'wow, great, and what else'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we have decided that you can think for yourself sometimes, when we're not thinking for you'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Fifth Estate is featuring a documentary [Oct 21 friday] on "Scouts Canada"  (Scouts USA is also to be smeared as complicit in pedophile coverup)'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'really'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's with pedophile's anyways, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldova , they had this place listed on aljazeera about the red light district of amsterdam, how the girls and women owe so much to their captor's who make roughly 250 thousand a year from a single sex slave'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'poorest nation in europe i guess, where alot of the white meat comes from'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i guess the government might have alot of human traffickers in it'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's not a new thing, the old wolf and the military'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the 1% od the USa population that owns 40% of the world's wealth require entertainment'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're so hard done by'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'last king i read about riding into war with his servant's was atilla the hun'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's easier to just send people to die without risking your own neck'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the news reported that another tyranous regime was reinstalled in Egypt following the oust of the previous tyrant'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'supposedly the military in 2010 had the highest suicide rate among the citizen's and also the most sexual offenses per capita, that's nothing new though, the world's like a game of unreal tournament to most aspiring career killer's'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or else the hero's their ancestor's were, fighting for this fine land, which removed all of the thing's they were thankful for fighting for in the first place, since they went to war'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's an article on aljazeera about whether corporate ownership of all of a nation's land is a good thing or a bad thing'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is there any question at all about it?'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they have 2/3 of the human genome patented in singapore now, they own the fabric of your body'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now it's only a matter of showing governments their way's of seeing thing's, that you're their property and honouring the nobel patents'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"Canadian diplomats are impotent in the USA" -- likely under orders from the Harper government'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '250,000 dollar's for one sex slave from moldova per year.. that's maybe when they're not such bizarre novelties and more mainstream sex conditioned servant's - how much property can that buy in your foreign land?'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now multiply the amount of sex slaves for a single head-pimp to 1.2 million times 250,000 dollar's '
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then go on a purchasing spree in your homeland and figure out how long it takes to purchase the majority of the country'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they were just depersonalized pieces of meat making me 250k each and living on shit'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i earned hard for this working money that i didn't work for'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's the kind of patriot's who you vote for i think'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe 2 whores are dedicated to one politicians pay cheque'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the UN's like modern day prague of the roman empire, with it's atom smasher threatening everybody under geneva francerland'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mess around we'll crush your feet in our metal chamberlain's'
T3/r5/2011-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'The Hobbling of God : http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=1765&forum=35&9'
T3/r5/2011-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is politics just a mockery of reality?  who's in charge of politics on earth, that they all seem to mock eachother's people the same way, and their own lie oppressed and sent to dust?'
T3/r5/2011-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is money worth more than the golden calf that was an abomination to god in israel?  it's not a false god like their ten commandment's is it?'
T3/r5/2011-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most bad decision's are made using money as a filter for their soul's'
T3/r5/2011-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'to arrive there we have to sacrifice a few children through the fire of molech'
T3/r5/2011-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why do people fear necromancy and ghosts yet feel safe in resurrection beliefs?'
T3/r5/2011-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'king james showed what the difference between being dead alive and representing death through a spirit is'
T3/r5/2011-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i guess'
T3/r5/2011-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is god something present in this world to you?'
T3/r5/2011-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't see much to worship'
T3/r5/2011-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'might as well become a warlock'
T3/r5/2011-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'necromancy = the basis of religion, since you have to be dead to experience any of the god you worship beyond existance itself within hell'
T3/r5/2011-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'satan = the king of the god's according to this world's current sorcery'
T3/r5/2011-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'enjoy your tormented suffering for the devil, die for hell on the cross'
T3/r5/2011-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not ashamed to be a necromancer'
T3/r5/2011-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the dead are like me without the me part'
T3/r5/2011-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'dead asked them to kill him'
T3/r5/2011-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's because he's trying to establish a real religion on earth'
T3/r5/2011-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'don't judge dead'
T3/r5/2011-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he's more saint than peter ever will be'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://curiosity.discovery.com/ curiousity is the show where the star donates his body to science i think, gets thing's like worms fucking in his skin and the likes'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do you think this kind of entertainment is a little chilling?  makes one think of death doesn't it?  or biological warfare, human experiments living'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'shield of money to 'not tested on animals' the crew'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and notice that the webpage doesn't render correctly in firefox, due to the page being built for ipad's and stuff'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that hard to conform to standard's that you can make content inconvenient for all but your new market?'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bodies being eaten by worms is a pretty ancient earthly ritual, worms have bred in decomposing flesh for a long time probably'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe they're trying to give people faith in living with death and .. surviving the curse by being a part of it'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i are immutable to worm's, for i am a culture of them'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'death where is thy sting - jesus or john'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i guess if they was going to outright create mutant virus's to obliterate population's nobody would be able to say fuck that about it, cause they're heavily protected people who develop them'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and who can hold evidence against their employers and shields of independence?'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the world being held hostage and slow rotted to the forger of human death on earth (as opposed to ubiquitous formation of unilateral destination's)'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's one conspiracy theory that might have more grains of truth to it than some other's, lots of people think about it'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they got another show called ancient alien's where they try to reason out that it's not an evil spirit, but a mortal bodied creatures like human's who happen to have invented human's'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'invented human's musta been a good spirits, for look at how well they use their intelligence for evil'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'tough to look at people like they're more than just worm's isn't it?  or the other way around at the other extreme'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we're more than just shadows in the forest'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'did the sun see the tree's it cast?'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some people must think they're real people instead of another burnt candle'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'otherwise people wouldn't pretend that good exists and common - wealth is actually important, like having everybody held accountable to a mutually agreed upon and well understood course of action for incident's that are undesireable for mutually agreeable reasons'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so there's some 'real people' and a bunch of fake's who are burnt by their wicca'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or wick'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'are you a flame or a puddle of wax?'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you have to abase yourself along with everybody else to not be a hypocrite while considering how pathetic life on earth really is'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hypocrite's happen to run things instead of real nihilists'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but they have nihilistic outlooks for everybody but themselves'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'real nihilists might not even see any solid course of action due to how shadowy this whole outcome will be'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it takes a real arrogant son of a bitch to take somebody's trust, send them to a pointless death and laugh at how stupid they were'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'arrogance smells like a demon when worn by people who don't naturally possess it'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'arrogant people destroy themselves constantly, pretty demonic isn't it?'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is a demon when people who are it's avatar are present'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so yeah, breeding worms in human skin on television for young mind's to be ipad influenced by the cattle prod abhorrence of non-patented standard's for personal gain and world domination sectors of information control'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'seems to be evil'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do as ye will shall be the whole of the law, you can't be what you're not after all, can you?'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'can grow into or away from certain trait's, can't deny that reality happened though to the bourne wishmaster's'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'computer worm's have a new face, here's a tv show where non-cadaver's are donated to science in living parasitic colonies of death-worm virus's for possible beneficient, and most likely abhorrent hostage-holding facilitation (while indicating that the world should be filtered through a handheld tablet pc like a fake crayon)'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'will anybody remember what a real crayon was when all the fake crayon's are intellectual property of the cowboy's from hell?'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cowboy's intimidate calves into fences and burn brand's onto their asses (similar isn't it)'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'orlando be a nice vacation resort, i wonder who'd risk that on h2s'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'could it be an arrogant son of a bitch?'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now i watch a history tv show called decoded talking about the end of the world and alignment of sayings, they mention some web-bot prophet going blank along the line's of the master's of time (mayan's) and while seeing a blue star in the sky (NASA and hopi's, wormwood in the bible ?), which was assumedly here cast out of the milky way galaxy a hundred million years ago as it approached a giant black hole at it's centre, being two stars cast out it merged and is why it survives 60 million years cast out of the solar system (now the galaxy becomes some lucifer kind of possibility here, and who is the angel of the bottomless pit, maybe the centre of the galaxy abaddon?), and if you look to the sky you can see a bright star looks like it might be a space station and two points in the southeast and northwest which blink blue (two stars one star) among red and other color's, i guess they're satellites - like a webpot maybe, spider web prophecies and iron serpents'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'TL;DR'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'i feel that way about boards'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then who's the false prophet and are these any interpretations about reality of the sayings?'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he's talking about nostradamus, indian legend's, the people are waters wave on the drawing, like steps leading upwards subjugated fallen people to material values of the invading white man - ocean turned to blood oil spill's and continued drilling dead fish and out of work sailors'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the people are waters bible saying ?'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'moses parted the sea, antichrist opened the firmament of the lower waters to the terrestrial water's like god opening the waters of space to flood the earth'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'here we have a dual meaning global warming exhaust sea level rising madagascar and comet strike'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'USAsians - wanna troll bible thumpers? Stamp "No God But Allah" on all your notes'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what are the firmaments :>?'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'if you want to troll a christian or muslim tell then they are just a sect / cult of judaism'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'the funny part is it's true'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Which was itself just the monotheistic spinoff of Zoroastrianism...'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'errm, no i would debate that but i cbf getting my sources'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Sprang out of the same roots - poly went zoro, mono went Judaic'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'judean*'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the two stars might be the one star ?  representative of a human intervention or 'alien' technology, two satellites blinking blue star for the white comet about to strike?'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'time stands still on december 21st 2012 they predict'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people just go on a ripple in what is is 3781'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what do you figure is a soul?  there's distinguishment of flesh body, soul, mind and spirit and heavenly body in the bible - so here's a person in a body talking with you, with the spirit of life using their mind and apparent to you the viewer, is your view of them their soul?  the part you reference with your mind?  and their viewing of you your soul?  consideringw ith the mind with the spirit of life in the mortal body, as an individual soul, what is a soul?'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i read like a 80 paragraph hindu philosophy about it, like a canvas they call it, where the projector draw's images in the theatre'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or the photograph is printed'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zannugawa: 'Wow man'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm curious about it, people say save your soul from hell and don't explain what that is first'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zannugawa: 'True'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'satan the father of lies then molesting the true image of the soul, what actually transpired in reality'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(the fact) that old humans go senile is an indication that the soul does not exist'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe that's some of how they mean sell your soul to satan and it's his to molest their inner selve's in addition to tormenting their physical bodies'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'could be that evil spirit's drive people lunatic too'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not sure what it all means that's why i bring it up, i'm not saying what it is only showing some of what i think about it, you figure that people losing their memories is indication that the soul doesn't exist'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'we lose memories all the time, older people just lose them faster :P'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'jesus cast out demon's of insanity and disease in the story, like those detrimental condition's were held together by the will of demonic entities which could be revoked by a person not gullible to their claim to own what they do to other's'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or something like that, the story where if you cast out a evil spirit and fuck up 7 more wicked will arrive with the one originally repented of'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think evil spirit's are possible, like xyliz figure's there is no soul and finds comfort in a bunch of chemical reaction's like themself think's they are who are really mindless beings of habit and reaction, action'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's something else about a person that makes them attractive to you, beyond the hollow banjo isn't there?'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's music but there's no sound to it'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'how are the demons these days druz?'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'watchin your every move still?'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you ever heard an original and called the next a copycat while they look rediculous trying to sound like the original?  the original had something attatched to it which made it legitimate beyond being attatched to itself'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i see intelligence in flies and possible intelligence everywhere'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'do flies have souls?'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how did they know i was gonna swat it and they could get out in time before i did?  i expected them to land where they probably otherwise would have and they landed somewhere else'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they possibly have a director, i haven't been a fly to confirm whether or not i am an i such as i self'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'druzill i have been a fly and they don't have one'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'druzill i have been a fly and they don't have one'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i imagine flies could have soul's'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'some are more devious than others'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz did not say there was no soul -- perhaps there is one soul or a few souls, (many called, few chosen, even less selected), or maybe none
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'what happens if heaven runs out of souls like in seventh sign with demi moore?'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'most humans are not really human -- they are animals'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you ever seen that movie where the girl finds herself turned into food for her brother's cat in a pentagram as he shrinks her?  that's an interesting thing, thinking that a individual could snap shot (turned into a frog) into a new being and be the same individual but in a new form of reference'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'what is soul?'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'watching the world as they treated the creature they become treat them as such'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'different from awareness?'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'or soul is what connects you to loved ones?'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'dna-based lifeforms are perhaps quantum-computers -- there is more to life than mere chemical reactions'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'I'm a SoO-Uul MAn'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'feelings are important to be able to have, feeling only torment or nothing at all can be a heavy burden, like some depression'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'new-age nutters are likely to conjcture that life is associted with the para-normal'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'protecting your ability to feel something that is happiness beyond the touch of sugar to your taste buds is important'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'aardwolf beat that out of me'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'those that do not feel anything at all are not under a heavy burden -- perhaps "they'd soon as kill you as look at you"'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some people figured that was what separated animals from human's is human's could feel thing's that weren't actually there, like a grain of sand rubbing on the belly of a cobra is a feeling to a snake that is there, does it remember it's nest in lucid memories of better times when it is oppressed and feel compassion for it's fellow serpent who is trying to eat that rat?'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'ability to empathize?'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'im more of an apathizer now'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'so less soul '
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or does it bite the bottom jaw off of the fellow crocodile because this is his fishing spot?'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'animals might be more complex than not having any spirituality about them too, i'm not convinced they're mindless hunk's of chemical reaction's who's happiness is a warm pork chop'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'what chemical give ideas?'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'long-time pet-owners are able to observe indications that their pets went through emotions like humans do -- again: most humans are animals'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you, sir, are insane'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'my dog makes me wonder sometimes, but see in his eye's that there is somebody there'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'my dog probably has more feeling's than me that aren't negative, although he appears alot of the time to demand sugar with no inclination of genuine satisfaction beyond consumption, though a little pet on the head might be like compassion that touches a different nerve on the animal'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'soul is relative to the body'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'turning on the tv people are alot like my dog in what they want consumer's to value, material values people for sale sell yourself and consume a grain of sand'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'if soul is personality'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'still unsure if soul is the same as person'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not all tv show's appear bad like not all people i see appear hollow'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but some of them look like a log floating down a river with no thought'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'tough to live in a world where you see everything as logs floating down the river yourself being taken by the current bun unable to find satisfaction in their slow decay such as they, because you see life as a log floating down a river'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'conjecture: when the body dies, the soul dies, unless perhaps some of the soul was preserved in other bodies or in some other realm, perhaps there is quantum-computer entanglement'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'pointless to debate in this life'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'who the hell knows, no one living'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'not pointless'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'read the lyrics to the song the essential salts by nile, or the story pet sematary by stephen king, how what is resurrected is composed of not the desired entity in entirety but along with whatever feasted upon it'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lots of belief's in the world about resurrection'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'those observations by Xyliz the result of years of .. something ..'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nobody wants to see the world as the cat that came back in many bodies now though, do they?'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'same spirit but different bodies, stupid, yet hunt's to kill and doesn't require to, drops the carcass to fester and show's a knowing hatred towards it's summoner'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Stephen King sucks as an author (imho)'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i like people who are animated and genuinely happy about thing's that matter, like being together with people who they actually enjoy the company of, or bouncing a ball against a wall while bored instead of sitting around and doing this'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they have some sign's of mind to themself that aren't the hateful demon in the cat'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the independence from that mind is an important thing'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like the ability to feel more than the pleasure of decay that the water that sink's you eventually, give's, some sense of not being trapped in the river together within your own mind but still being able to function in it, the ability to enjoy thing's beyond the stress of accumulating more junk'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i know of a few people who're similar to that, able to function within the evil world and not have their minds erased by it's devil's'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's more satisfying that knowing you exist and somebody else exists?  with nobody else is nothing, like remembering the body doesn't live forever and not ever having confirmed that anybody else was in the same situation as you, what's nirvana?'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is there anybody else within it?'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'there is no "devil" per se, (unless God acts like a devil); perhaps there are wannabe devils, or more likely: most humans are animals'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'seeing the enemies destroyed, those evil despisers of simplicity who destroy everybody's ability to have quality over quantity'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i read about some african kid's who while having nothing and being orphan beggar's enjoyed themselves with other than criminal fun, implementing trash and other thing's into toy's to play a game of soccer or whatever'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think that part about people, their ability to enjoy themselves, is more important than the other part of people that make's enjoyment impossible for millions of those children'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's easier to live when you're not a homicidal maniac than it is to live with the memory of what your victim's lost, did they really deserve it?  i remember a scene where a guy was telling another one to shoot them.. or else, and the other one wasn't sure why that was required'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'conjecture: when attempting to preach philosophy as an amateur not yet recognised as an esteemed professional, linguistic coherence of expression is extremely important to spreading the philosophical message'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but he had that enjoyment remembered somewhat and resisted the order, instead turning to the person telling them to destroy who they have no reason to destroy and trying to walk away from the situation, thinking the friend he chose wouldn't do the same to him'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then of course the mind of that part of people in the audience is on not to let the person who's destroying what could be a true friendship in your resisting homicide (the un-named victim), take out the sympathizer'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'usually in movies you see thing's where they'll squeeze their eyes shut and pull the trigger cause they need more sugar though, which is unfortunate'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'd never want to be the one telling the other one to kill somebody, military life for causes you don't fully understand in oppressed societies to uphold the oppression of human spirit that isn't temporal, that would be a harder burden to walk away from than having gone against your order's if you were revealed wrong to yourself'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some of these military and gang unit's are absolutely senseless and alot like the cobra's i mentioned earlier, who's currently in contact with the sand being the highest calling of their ruled societies'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the people who make these machines for instance, they feel no satisfaction in the job they do often, what their purposes are doesn't matter beyond mattering to make more money'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's like a resurrected cat from the stephen king horror movie, with the odd sign's of real life that were stolen from it's author'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'invented for code-breaking encryption decryption number crunching mathematical strategy warfare i guess'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'somebody feels good when his family is fed and doesn't concern himself over what they're eating, like a real national debt supporting the system of oppression in another system of oppression'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'karma they call it'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's interesting about some countries is they include several cultures of people with no racial discrimination (they pretend the problem is tolerable and will eventually be overcome while that never proves true)'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and then use these minorities as rallying points in politics attempting to usurp other countries, but who is the head race of people?'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just the rich of all color's?'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'yeah, there is no racial discrimination in Canada   (yeah right, er wrong)'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why didn't the white man remain in britain instead of enslaving the indian who they're battling in the middle east and forbid to wear their head dressing in some french colonies, while wearing wigs in parliament and court proceedings?'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they even brought some african slaves to america to sympathize with the people who's culture was possibly more recently destroyed, and remove their mind from their own suppression and subjection to destruction by the white man's system of progress'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'chinese slaves arrived too sometimes'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'slaves from all over the place fighting for the flag of freedom that originally enslaved the ground they walk on'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'bringing african slaves to the Americas was extremely racist and genocidal against the american aborigines'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's some good stuff to government when that's what it's used for, but there's opportunity for alot of hitler youth like scenario's and war-game's in other likely perspectives'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'immigation of foreigners to Canada is in keeping with the policy of genocide against the Ameican-indians'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'when only whites emmigrated to the Americas, the whites were mostly guilty of gnocide against the American-indians -- but by permitting the coloreds to emmigrte to the Americas, the blame for the continued genocides is spread among those other colored races (at least that is the .. opinion) '
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'does genocide matter - may depend on what God's opinion is on the situation'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's pretty neat that i'm not the only one to notice such a thing like that'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we both seem to see the same kind of situation and strategy game happening, along with some hypocrisy'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm just watching a little of this movie where directors are talking about their favourite horror movie stuff, and one points out that when you think of it, food, air and water are the basic thing's we need to survive and we're poisoning them all, so doomsday scenario's aren't all logically dismissed - another points out that movies display to people a mirror of the thing's about society that need to be fixed, i guess that's used sometimes - and another points out that the guy in the labcoat might be the one to be fearful of instead of the evil guy over there in the future, cause thing's like mutant viruses and mind-controlling nano-bot's are becomming more and more possible and some they figure are even locked upin vaults in the world, reminding the viewer of how come the guys are needed to deal with diseases'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why they have the black plague alive and well somewhere in the world for instance, just sitting back without vaccination's available, yet being available in it's purest form'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so why are those guys who deal with diseases required?  to exterminate the threat after making a antidote or to preserve both and release either at will?'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'new superbugs arriving in hospital's, specifically harmful to the elderly and infantile'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'specialized experiments on controlled populations to explain to your politicians why it's best to do things their way?'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the or elsers '
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'soldiers all fight to defend those viruses that'll eat both their families and the families of the nation's they're sent to war against'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'science is becoming increasingly sold out though, those laboratories all taken over by private interests'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so say they're planning to satyrically destroy 2/3 of the world population by event's which they orchestrate and remain immune to'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'something like 1/3 of the world population decimated by plagues, or is it 7 plagues'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's satyrical cause they mocked people by making their doomsday prophecies come true, but in their own way of being the sole survivor's of the holocaust '
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we was just kidding about that god thing used to control your mind, you leaned towards our true version of this gospel though'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'put your faith in us and we made you disappear like the snakes we are'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'batteries is a spiritual philosophy that some people talk about, a priest the conduit of the human energies beneath him being the representative of the being he has in mind, if that being be another priest, then up the ladder to the one who situated this current clergy's basis upon'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what that reality is hidden from the sight people constipated trying to be reborn or burn in beastfires'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'damn i'm already born how do i do this again?'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'doesn't mean that the faith itself is absolutely rancid, but in some way's of looking at thing's it can be used for rancid ultimatum's, even if the immediate discussion is concerned with a deceived priests faith in another as himself, capable of truth or lies'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he just had his trusted teacher's teaching's in mind, even if he didn't understand them all'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe that's some of how thing's are led to existance, if you have no destination in mind you don't usually move very far, now the book of revelation and other people say the world will end, maybe from viewing a spirit which is revealing of other spirit's that others have their minds on'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but we know we will end in this current body form eventually because that's the will of age however to escape that isn't known, the entire accumulation of earthly wisdom was gleaned from within the boundaries of this soil'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'to the atheist'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'atheists are observant of the death of all, they have that in common with religion's who see a end even if they only see their own ends, nobody really know's except beings who know, and how do they know that, being that we're still here?'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'll put my faith in this spiritual escape pod rebirth chamber and pretend that the world isn't knowingly led by people who contaminated this world to it's destruction'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'really, money's worth more than the north american water supply?'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'oladon's getting upset instead of discussing debateable world issues with me'
T3/r5/2011-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i guess i should be quiet because they're slick'
T3/r5/2011-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'amusing suggestion to the greek problem - they should use mark to market for valuing the debt they issued'
T3/r5/2011-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Katamari Habasi: 'democracy is rule by consensus. mob mentality says that groups tend to go with the flow without thinking. discuss'
T3/r5/2011-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Micodemus: 'Democracy is three wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. A Republic is three wolves and a well armed sheep making the same vote.'
T3/r5/2011-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people are raised having decisions made by other's, and raised by parents who already been through that, if they're not whore bastards at least and have parents, maybe they're raised in a foster home and have some curriculum that teaches them about politics and nuclear warfare and hostage taking and biological weapons, but my school didn't'
T3/r5/2011-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Katamari Habasi: 'what's a democratic republic?'
T3/r5/2011-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they leave that to the university professional's of a higher breed of foreign intelligence agencies'
T3/r5/2011-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Katamari Habasi: 'I know all of those words, and what they mean, but I have no Idea what you said'
T3/r5/2011-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's alright, i put alot of thought into them'
T3/r5/2011-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you had the stuff on my mind on your mind you might find it hard to communicate them too'
T3/r5/2011-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'my school didn't even offer a beginners class to deception and temptation's and classroom psychology, that was just a distraction in the way of mathematics and english'
T3/r5/2011-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Katamari Habasi: 'I believe that in a nutshell you said society sucks. is this correct?'
T3/r5/2011-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the mobs in my classroom were usually organized by their parents to nazi-agent me, singling me out universally unto this day, where it's the same - it makes me a believer in a higher power to see how great people interleave their soul's against me and try to make me fall inside myself'
T3/r5/2011-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'higher than the higher power even'
T3/r5/2011-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i guess that higher power is called moses the accuser or satan the opposer'
T3/r5/2011-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Katamari Habasi: 'I won't debate your past but 'this day' you single yourself out with your musings'
T3/r5/2011-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'my school's were like concentration camp residential schools where charlamagne sends his clergy in to fuck with my head, maybe they have subliminals implanted from TV with my dna specification drilled into their subconscious for identification with a algebraic set of actions/focal points and reactions to my unspoken logic'
T3/r5/2011-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if we're not leaving the realm of human science and mind control'
T3/r5/2011-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i do that alot, i'm trying to crack your code'
T3/r5/2011-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it takes alot of hatred to do what you do (accumulatively) and alot of hatred for the haters to do what i do (respectively)'
T3/r5/2011-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i never believed in the government except as an engine of oppression as fallen angels puts it'
T3/r5/2011-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and money, i always hated money, ever since the plastic pennies in kindergarten took me away from my art board'
T3/r5/2011-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the introduction to metallica's song one discusses democracy as something anybody would send his only begotten son to die for'
T3/r5/2011-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one of slayer's song's discusses dying for his land somewhere overseas, while angel of death discusses aushwitz'
T3/r5/2011-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Micodemus: 'mandatory suicide you mean?'
T3/r5/2011-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe'
T3/r5/2011-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'army, navy, air force, or death...'
T3/r5/2011-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think it was on their punk song cd where they covered a bunch of songs, gemini master of demins'
T3/r5/2011-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i guess no other country is very much better, every one seems to be ruled by the same people who rule the one you're in, all plagued by organized corruption funded through ignorance in things like these computer's and installing things like these computer's to infiltrate their 'neccessary upgrade' depts because they lacked their own understandings of the processes and needed to fight off invader's, like .. invaders'
T3/r5/2011-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or else a foreign agency wanted to install themselves a government in a foreign land and used them to rise themselves through the rank's and then did some black flag operations'
T3/r5/2011-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'oh that?  computer glitch, randomly intelligized to whack that point on 100 km/squared of vacant land'
T3/r5/2011-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you quit selling guns and ammunion that you wouldn't sell to your own citizen's to other nation's who you're not the government of, how long will it be before they resort to using fists again or spare car parts?'
T3/r5/2011-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'figure they're pretty able to build their own guns and bullets without your assistance, in your humanitarian effort to end oppression by risking having your food supplies seized by enemy insurgents?'
T3/r5/2011-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if one quits the other will gain a foothold, and both are organized by the same person who know's this and keeps the death rolling'
T3/r5/2011-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lock down the arctic, they have a madagascar to sink according to nasa scientists'
T3/r5/2011-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if russia has a titanium flag planted directly on the north pole's seabed, who has one on the south pole?'
T3/r5/2011-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'seems norway has the south pole, next door to russia and nowhere near it'
T3/r5/2011-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'anyone have a link to english translation of the vatican letter on financial reform?'
T3/r5/2011-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'lol, someone complained to the EPA about Occupy Wall Street's use of paintbombs (think paintballs, but sandwich-baggie sized) against cops.'
T3/r5/2011-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well of course they would, people aren't allowed to fight against the police'
T3/r5/2011-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trelain: 'Better than bricks/firebombs/tear gas etc.'
T3/r5/2011-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Would be more interesting if it was olive oil and feathers.'
T3/r5/2011-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'might have to kick them out for hazardous-materials cleanup and they might be sued for it.'
T3/r5/2011-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and on a related note, PETA is suing Sea World for violation of the 13th amendment in keeping orcas in tanks.'
T3/r5/2011-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have a better idea, lets put the PETA people in the tank with the whales.'
T3/r5/2011-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Turie: 'People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals is accusing the SeaWorld parks of keeping five star-performer whales in conditions that violate the 13th Amendment ban on slavery. SeaWorld depicted the suit as baseless.'
T3/r5/2011-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Oladon groans loudly.
T3/r5/2011-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if we fed peta to the whales, it would be a better world.'
T3/r5/2011-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oladon: 'Unfortunately even killer whales have more cultured palettes...'
T3/r5/2011-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, just dress em up as seals.'
T3/r5/2011-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the EPA might end up getting the Occupy protest shut down due to regulations about hazardous materials, after some protesters pelted police with baggies full of paint.'
T3/r5/2011-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'PETA is releasing a .xxx site'
T3/r5/2011-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'orcaporka.xxx?'
T3/r5/2011-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'peta.xxx  ""As soon as people land on the site, they'll see some tantalizing images. ... But we will also have graphic images that people are not necessarily looking for,""'
T3/r5/2011-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'internet rule 34'
T3/r5/2011-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and did you hear about the Occupy Occupy Wall Street protest movement?'
T3/r5/2011-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'a way to create new fetishes'
T3/r5/2011-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'probably some naked images of the fat president of peta.'
T3/r5/2011-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'pretty soon we will have a generation of young people who wont be able to get off unless their porn ends with animals getting beaten and abused'
T3/r5/2011-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'which one is that?  When visiting the internet, always expect a rickroll?'
T3/r5/2011-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Amy Whinewhore died of alcohol poisoning - unless she was murdered by others, she does not deserve any respect anymore'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i went for a job interview at macdonalds once because there was nothing else i could currently see, then changed my mind while realizing how social of an environment it is.. the guy said maybe one day i could manage the place - i wasn't in to it still'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ol' Dirty Fiendish blinks innocently.
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'mcdonalds teaches people to work hard and show up on time.  it's a good place'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'you decided not to work at mcdonalds because it's too social?'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yes'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but... you could have been the manager'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'of all the reasons to not work at mcdonalds'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can work hard and show up on time, but the social part creeps me out'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I enjoyed the 6 months I worked there in HS :-)'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'why don't you apply to be a toll booth collector?'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you won't have to look anyone in the eye'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'suck fumes all day'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'except for the yahoos who kept trying to order whoppers.'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'somebody passed up on opportunity to "Be a McDonald's employee" experience'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lol'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Go to North Dakota. One place that's experiencing an economic boom. I heard an NPR article a few days ago saying that McD's out there is payint 15/hr with a $300 signing bonus.'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I worked grill, so didn't have to deal with the yahoos ;-)'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I once had a really irate customer who demanded to see the manager because we didn't offer the whopper anymore.'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'paying*'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I can't see myself working for $15/hr'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'You could if you were 16, fiendish.'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Luckily 16 only happens once.'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Amen to that, heh :)'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, I made under $5/hr'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Now that I'm not 16, I have kind of a hard time imagining working for less than 45 or 50/hr.'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Alabama's actions to protect the crop-picking jobs is bearing the rotting "fruit" of rotting crops'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'work at what you love and the pay is just a bonus'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Whoa... 45 or 50? You're making 100k a year? Nice living.'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'assuming one were to convert a yearly salary into hourly wages without any extra overhead added for self-insurance fees and the like'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, I remember working at a grocery store & not believing the Night Crew chief that he would have a hard time living off it if he won the "$1k/week for life" scratch off...50k used to seem so high :P'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'shoot me if i only make 100k / yr'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'how does it feel to be the 99%?'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'u mad bro?'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I think the 99% goes up to like 450k/yr'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the uae of the prison populace as slave labor to pick crops is not working out since prisoner slaves do not work as hard as those from south of the USa border'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'turns out 99% of people are the 99%'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I think around 80k/yr is about where I spend as much as I put away and always get everything I want'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'occupiers sit around smoking hemp and eating tofu while the real 99% work'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'before taxes'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Stephen Colbert suggested convictiing and imprisoning illegals from south of the border and then forcing them to work a slaves picking American crops'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'there's a yahoo video titled Police Brutality that shows what Occupiers do.'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'get hit with flashbangs? I saw that video'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I could live on that as well.  I'm a lady of simple wants, but some jobs you can increase earnings without doing extra work.'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'yes the occupiers could pick lettuce for $10 / hr but they don't want to'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, they throw paintbombs at the police'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it's more fun and easy to complain'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I see them on the subway and make it plain how much i despise them.  actually i think 99% of new yorkers despite them'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'as long as the Occupiers are too poor to buy guns and bullets, the police shall likely be arrogant'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'heh a sling and rock is free and lethal at 400 metres'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'as long as the Occupiers are too poor to buy guns and bullets, the Kojiro shall likely be sneering at the Occupiers and the poor (snicker)'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'yes please be violent, just give us a reason to clean the human trash out of that park'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i pay city taxes and donate to the nypd, and have a friend of the police card to prove it... they deal with the riffraff for me'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'too bad you have no credability kojiro'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'if they pull you over, they take the card in lieu of a ticket and you have to donate to get another one!'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'aardwolf should have something like that'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the number of those likly to be "violent" shall likely increase when there is more economic collapse and rampant poverty spreads through the USA'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they already have a reason.  Lobby the EPA for failing to enforce their own regulations about hazardous material disposal?  We can't throw paint away, but we can paintball cops and let it soak into the park grounds without even a slap on the wrist?'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'there won't be "more economic collapse" in the US.  that's not business cycles work.'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the population of my province with grain and cattle exports feeds 1000 people each, that's 600 million people :)'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the Greeks are trying hard to pull down the Common Market banks'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we have substandard health care and unpaved highway with high unemployment rates and bad administration'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the only reason we have 9% unemployment in thsi country is beacuse we built 2 million extra houses and household formation hasn't eaten up the oversupply yet.  it doens't get worse, it just gets better from here with time.'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all of those goods are privatized so very few people profit from my province, but the ones who do eat it while saying their work was more'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'whether the domino effect of collapsing european banks shall hit the USa hard is another conjecture'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'xyl, it's not even a question, it won't.'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we also destroyed alot of the north for uranium gold and diamonds'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'maybe, but I bet you're wrong just because you aren't accounting for the panic amongst politicians as they attempt to tinker.'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lots of uranium , could have retired everybody here on lives of slothful luxury if that funds was distributed'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'US banks have de minimus exposure to euro banks.  It's bad for Europeans, it's not bad for the US'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we moreorless fell into and extended the length and scope of the Great Depression mostly because we tried to bail ourselves out of it.'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'our economy is not even comparable to that of the great depression.  not even close.  don't worry about that'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'FDIC alone makes it apples and broccoli'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I'm not, we ARE doing the same types of things, though.'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what useful services does europe give to the american side of the world that their money problems matter here?'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'druzil:  none'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do they feed 1000 people each?'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Druzil, the reason that the rich do not want to give money to the poor, is that the poor overbreed more poor when given money -- and overpopulation ecocide is bad for the planet and thus bad for the rich'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'and even if the euro collapses, their economies are still there, they just go back to different currencies.'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Overpopulation is just as bad for the poor. It's bad for everyone.'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the GD was an abstract given, but we essentially turned it into a 10-year hell instead of a 4-year very-uncomfortable time.'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no, the reason the rich don't want to give the poor money is beacuse A.  the rich earned it (usually) and B. when you giv ea poor person money he only wants to take more of it from you'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the scornful poor in canada consist in the second largest mass of land in the world at a population of 37 million'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '37 million people in canada scorned for being poor, while in a very self-sustainable environment'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'privatized from people in australia and stuff, wehre rthey can't feed themselves without leeching our stuff'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'dokk, ,the US isn't doing many sensibile things to stimulate our economy (recent HARP mods finally a good first step), but we will recover fine without it.  It's probably better they don't try, honestly.'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'politicians are so captivated by special interests most efforts end up hurting'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'india and china, how long would they sustain their 1.2 billion populations given their land mass without foreign land claims and slavery of their people?'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a week, a month?'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the poorest canadian is still richer than 40% of the global population.  nobody in north america is starving'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'russia can sustain itself'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'foreign land claims in india and china?  lolmao'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'so why the concern about school-age children?'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'india owns venezuela with russia i think'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lots of chinese made in china are made in mexico'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Not Guilty Kojiro hugs The Imp Druzil.
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'vatican city is the largest landowner in the world, though british monarchy claims otherwise'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the only nation inside a nation, who racked up a 2.4 trillion dollar debt while not actively involved in the trillion dollar american war's'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the rich used graft, corruption, insider trading, special-sinecure, lobbying, bought politicians, pid-liars-in-the-news-media, corrupt-laws to-favor-the rich, to steal the resources and privileges to become rich at the expense of the common folk and the environment'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'amazing debt to rack up not being very much interested in things that cost lots of money'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'paid-liars-in-the-news-media'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'xyl that's more corporations, not rich individuals'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you have every ability to buy their stock as I'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the morman republican candidates are blatant liars and perhaps an indication that mormons are corrupt'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'huntsman?'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and romney'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the republican candidates are blatant liars'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i met mit romney at a fundraiser.  the man is a cad'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the time i seen the republican leader scorning trump's skeptic look at obama's birthrecords showed me how independently opinionated they are'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Romney is a red-colored democrat.'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's still shady, born in hawaii from a kenyan mother and some other races father'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'growing up was hard to do to reach the peak of american society through honesty and no money involved to set him there'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'maybe he's illegitimate druz but he's done a decent job imo'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Obama's doing no better than Bush'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe he has in your weighing of priorities, i see alot of unrest that some people have predicted following his arrival, son of mudaffi to take the throne i read on aljazeera'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'inherited still, which is incredible isn't it?'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'dunno, i try not to pay attention to the middle east and israel.  they can both burn for all i care.  the whole region is a waste of time and money and lives'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is the micah verse she has quoted in title'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'emis'
T3/r5/2011-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'made no sense to me obviously so i asked what it means'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Your religion/political position is WRONGEDY WRONG! I could prove it but I can't be bothered, you must merely assume my proof is valid.'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'You're an idiot because of your beliefs. Clearly my beliefs are right and yours are wrong.'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I agree with you, Morinon.'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'More misguided and foolish people refusing to recognize the innate and effortless superiority of my belief system. '
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'You may have all spoken after me, but I have the de jure final word, because of my posited unsubstantiated proof.'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I counter your unsubstantiated proof with a ridiculous personal attack involving your mother.'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they say the web bot internet prophet written by that Hi Ur people predicted 9/11 4 months prior to it happening, invented near 1998'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'lolwut'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they also say that most pilots operating airplanes these day's filter 98% of their piloting through computers, which transmit information back and forth from ground terminals'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and these functions may be overridden like a drone airplane possible'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they hack into vehicle computer's in perdue and harvard, and install microsoft into the filtered vehicle mechanical functions control systems in modern cars'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'who is they?'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hmm, somewhere in europe or asia i think'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'because "they" sure say a lot'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and a group of scientists posting on sciencedaily.com'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that's true, Druzil.  The concept is that Ground Control can remotely fly the plane if the pilot/co-pilot/some random passenger with flight experience is no longer available.'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'not on most planes'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so over-ridden control systems on jumbo-airliners compromised to arrive at remotely chosen points, or crazy terrorists?'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'ask the web bot'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yes'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's why i don't totally discount conspiracy theories'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they even have planes now that can take off, fly, and land all by themselves where the pilot just simply watches, only actually flying because he's kinda paid to do something than stare out the window.'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'because i see that they are possible in some contexts, at least misaimed or mislabelled antagonists'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'of course you don't, druzil'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Sometimes it seems like you look at lists of conspiracy theories to find something new to believe in.'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in 1987 when i lived in fort macmurray, lots of fighter jets used to pass by my apartment, and i remember clearly in downtown of that city at a stop light watching a vehicle drive by with no driver at all'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'ahh yes the "it could happen" justification, I have a feeling you told whopping lies as a little kid and your parents were just too dumb to correct you'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i get these from things on my mind to think about, i put out a valid point that i can't discount'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'in 1987, you would've been able to tell from the very limits of your vision range that a car was driverless.'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nope, actually i never was a good liar'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'occam's razor is a good tool :P'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i watched others lie with conviction and wasn't able to have that same bullshit instinct'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we have technology on our side, Druzil.'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'so the best lie you'e ever told is about how internally honest you are?'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's no lie, if you notice none of your thoughts are perfect but some are more or leass accurate'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'all of my thoughts are perfect'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm a pretty true person, not leaving anybody out of the picture from prefronts such as emotion'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'but i'm pretty special'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we have many more of you infesting GQs, Fiendish. :P'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'the only gq I infest is a magazine'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'soon, it'll be raining all the time in Aard and Neo will have to come save us.'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then for a false prophet, you could picture some sneering world king's claiming their robot can predict the future based on it's hive-mind of accumulated human data, while secretly being the cause for the thing's it predicts horrendous'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'which could be a elaborate threat dealing platform for people nobody knows is their enemy'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'web bot also sees a lapse of time from dec 2012 - onwards'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'cute'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'probably more real than their mysticical robot too'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i wonder if the CIA invented the predictors administration or not about 9/11'
T3/r5/2011-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like some theoriest say the cia was behind it..'
T3/r5/2011-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'woman stabs boyfriend for cheating.  Bitches be crazy.'
T3/r5/2011-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what is it about self-destructive practices that makes them so numerous and desireably un-noticed?  i forced myself to start smoking cigarettes after quitting a year or so later, mostly cause of hate i guess, what is it that draws people to their own deaths?'
T3/r5/2011-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mokg: 'I thought this was the OC channel, did something change?'
T3/r5/2011-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'are the people who taught them to attatch smoking to friendship and other thing's like that paid to do so for a unseen government mind control experiment or something?'
T3/r5/2011-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or is it pure stupidity laced with radioactive lead, formaldehyde embalming fluid and cyanide?'
T3/r5/2011-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'watch people sometimes as an outsider, it's remarkable what kind of insight you gain like this'
T3/r5/2011-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i researched a little into cigarettes, how in japan they noticed that doubling the dosage of the chemicals per cigarette doesn't result in noticeable higher mortality rates or other unseen complication's, passed by US senate within 4 months drafted into canadadian tobacco'
T3/r5/2011-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '2001-2005'
T3/r5/2011-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'chemical warfare of some kind'
T3/r5/2011-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cigarettes are specially formulated to shut down the bodies natural resistances to nicotine addiction, they destroy the inbuilt defense systems'
T3/r5/2011-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i guess the formaldehyde slows down the decay of the new scar tissues'
T3/r5/2011-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they have special formulation to cause short term memory loss as though you didn't just have a cigarette and need another right away'
T3/r5/2011-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lots of thought goes into the random concoction of 1500 deadly additives'
T3/r5/2011-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the surgeon general is a serial killer'
T3/r5/2011-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we didn't do nothin wrong, bacco's legal'
T3/r5/2011-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'have some vodka and strychnine on the house'
T3/r5/2011-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're both legal too, just not with the intent put into them for you to sip on'
T3/r5/2011-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the canadian soldiers under the guidance of jewish chemists in germany were inhaling chlorine gas to suffocate within 4 days of exposure... mixed into the water supplies everywhere!  boil up some coffee'
T3/r5/2011-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'asthma and breathing problems, no links at all'
T3/r5/2011-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'piss will set you free i guess'
T3/r5/2011-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'where can i take the surgeon general to court at?'
T3/r5/2011-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'need to become a liar like their hired lawyers on the fly'
T3/r5/2011-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if the surgeon general can get away with mass murder of millions every year why can't i get away with some crime?'
T3/r5/2011-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not a murderer like him, but still, i think the law's open for more manipulation than they inch'
T3/r5/2011-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Deadgirl: 'every MUD needs a manic. '
T3/r5/2011-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maniac*'
T3/r5/2011-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'fucking with me's your cigarette'
T3/r5/2011-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'inhale, exhale we're the victim'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'prohibition does fail, the living rock is an endangered species while peyote is legal in canada but doesn't grow natively'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they exterminated all peyote cactii in texas that they could find'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who knows if that even played a role in the ecosystem they abolished it from, like a ladybug hummingbird?'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the harpy eagle might agree that those trees shouldn't be cut down for exxon'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shennon: 'undoubtedly it did.'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Deadgirl: 'folks, opiates are legal. amphetamines are legal. Barbiturates are legal. Benzos are legal. MJ is legal, as a pill form. '
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shennon: 'legal in what countries and in what manners?'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'not legal if you possess them without a valid prescription'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Deadgirl: 'by prescription'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yep, my grandparents put in a bid one time to the government of saskatchewan to grow opium poppies on their half section of land, which was turned down and given to a rich man instead, because they bought my grandparents feeble land for 60,000 per quarter by their oil baron from alberta later on, while a single adjacent calgary property of the same size is worth over 20 million'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shennon: 'in the US, medical marijuana is still a federal crime technically. it just rarely gets prosecuted. at least, that is my understanding'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so what's the problem is the people who are growing the poppies aren't rich people'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'I think he's referring to dronabinol'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Deadgirl: 'marinol'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the chinese hillsmen who grow opium make next to nothing compared to the people they sell it to, as in laos and thailand, afghanistan and nearby'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the coca farmers in the amazon, the ones who do the work don't make a fair share of the shredded wheat proceeds'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '5 dollars per bushell which makes 500 boxes of 5 dollar each shredded wheat or something like that'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why make war on enslaved people?'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who's the one's holding the whip?  the one who gives them their orders might be a better start, see what the 'enemies' choose when they are able to choose'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Deadgirl: 'cool. shredded wheat conspiracy. coca is totally related'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's similar, but more corrupt than wheat'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'same idea, after it goes from my factory it's worth 10 times what i paid you for it'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or 1000'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'imo, it's sick that there's unemployed people where food is available and resources for them all to have their own place, and machines are favoured to taking care of that problem before the monopoly the owners of the fuel for those machine's and the markets they operate in are allowed to propagate'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's some of the shield of money and human stupidity einstein talks about'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shennon: 'there's a logic to that druzil'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's one of the most serious problems on this earth imposed by human society'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it leads to many of the others'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'until the overpopulation and overbreeding is (peaceably) solved, your bleating about poverty and greed is merely another rejected-voice crying in the wind '
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they are destroying habitat for humanity while they're at it, look at madagascar sink in the nasa scientists prophetic mind within 50 years of the miami and new york san francisco's'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'feeding the overbreeding poor is BAD for the ecology'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how much of that shit was neccessary risk?'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how many unemployed people in poverty states of socially enforced distress?'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bad ass king you follow world'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'poor people are more valuable than the ones who put them out of work with machines'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'look at your media brainwash and show me where there's no subliminal urges planted to act on your lust as it is normal socially acceptable trojan behaviour, spartan?'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'media tool to fuel your overpopulation hybrid man-made theory of prophetic illusionary vessals of pope's on cathedral walls painted by michealangelo'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'until the overpopulation and overbreeding is (peaceably) solved, your whining opinions on feeding the poor so that poor may overbreed more are rejected'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now you're getting and feeding fuel for holocaust renewal, as though you think making neccessary human genocide makes it any less your fault, leader of the general who will conduct your schaza'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hey baby, you're dumb i know how to use that against you, think the way i teach you to think and make neccessary my genocidal desires'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what kind of shit is that?  hey bill'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'there is the Christian bible god solution - euthanize more than one third of the human population through pestilence fameine war death. and then some more killing for good measure '
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mind / stupidity'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and your metaphorical palestinian palace will be occupied by the ones behind the teachers of the reasons it all happened'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't follow good human jerusalem's because there aren't many good human's to look towards the advice of in other than negatory functionality'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i've sat down with killer's who lost their killer resolve when i was present, because i cut through the illusions they have running in their minds and look for the real person behind their eyes'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'your thesis of human stupidity breeding is based on the illusionary nature of people, mine is based on waking up the hidden one that they don't look at for long because it never changes'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't know if that makes me a good satanist or a christian or whatever, but i'm not my definition of good - it's not really magic when you're talking to a dormant part of somebody else that you didn't invent, as in illusion you speak'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's good to exist, even though it doesn't seem like that most of the time, existance can be pleasant and non-vile, but that is hard to find here'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'existance is a religion in itself'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): WaterWitch Oceania goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'here i can call you a bunch of whiny cunts'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could, but you couldn't justify it'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dire Wolfe: 'Sadly, no-one ever cared about anything said on here ;)'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'never whine on a channel unless it's curse flagged'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so get off barter and argue about politics or religion'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Should just add some shiny colors to the academy leaflet. Bam, wannabe scammers are shut down. Anyone who falls for such a retarded scheme after that probably deserves it.'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'hrm'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just silence your mind and conscious imagination, you might hear voices too, sometimes not even belonging to nobody you see, just reverberating through empty sources that you can't pinpoint the moving shadows of'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'plants communicate through chemistry in the soil some botanists figure, i wonder if h2o counts as a communicating chemical or not'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bid On Swaizo: 'so it belongs to somebody you see?'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what does?  i have religion to use as a shield against the unknown possibilities you deem impossible projections of ashkenazi mind control hitler's in'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bid On Swaizo: 'religon is a shield'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'Druzil, yes h2o does count as a communicating chemical.'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bid On Swaizo: 'helps with the unkown parts of our lives'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'Druzil, what do you do for living?'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bid On Swaizo: 'and the fact that one day you will stop existing'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'really microsoft is filtering your accelerating steering column brake line's and power window's with their proven track record of uninfiltratability while GPS satellites maneuver google's cars through california and serial killer's don't walk by 11 times the corpse of a little girl where their chips are manufactured'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bid On Swaizo: 'nobody wants that i think, so they want an after answer'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'll stick to my own insanity before believing your illusion's of safety in ignorance'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bid On Swaizo: 'another useful purpose'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is it demon spirits that makes you such a oblivious cattle, or just ignorance and ego?'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sometimes with how retarded you make me out to be, i get more faith in spirits because you're obviously smarter than they'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you're so smart they don't even exist to you'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bid On Swaizo: 'i believe everyone is stupid, the only smart thing is to realize how much knowledge you really lack'
T3/r5/2011-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mye giggles.
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Bid On Swaizo smiles happily.
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'part of my discussion of the dark arts of world domination revolves around the unknowability of some of their facets due to the high number of volatile terrorists behind their construction's, i'm just shining a light in dark places that happens to be my spirit, perhaps discussing your spirit with others spirit's to come to a conclusion of the solidarity of the unknown but deviously real human plot's upon which everybody is insultingly buried as chicken down assembly line belts hatching into a kennel of dead angels'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you telling me what i don't do yet knowing what i do acknowledge by how i acknowledge what you claim you don't know shows me a mental deficiency, perhaps a inherent self-delusion of grandeur that you whip around as peppy le pieux while molesting your 'victim''
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Illiden: 'Where are ya from Druzil?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i know your type and what kind of things you build, you're no surprise to me '
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't know you though, that is a darkness isn't it?  i can acknowledge your most likely shoes while not becoming owned by it'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'scientists who shy away from the truth because the big bang never happened aren't much of scientists'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or not as they expect, maybe the big bang refers to hiroshima and the retributional culture's surrounding it'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bid On Swaizo: 'so what did happen?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'japanese demonology or some stuff like that, who knows, there's a religion possibility, even if it's not real how real are the minds that think it is?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's getting pretty deep now, even though it is very shallow'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bid On Swaizo: 'big bang or religous beginnings are both viable answers'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i believe in cruel jokes though, just look at your television set and how they mock life by acting such fools, totally abhorrent of real human nature against their will'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now you have some 'deviltry''
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what is the cause?  is it all mortal or is there spirit'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the devil's reality is possible here, how many of you are his i can't distinguish, but i can render you all his and consider your friendliness as a offensive maneuver for later hook line and sinker '
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't fear much, that doesn't make nobody schizophrenic, acknowledging they can't disprove the possibility of life beyond flesh'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'discussing it's one thing that leads away from holy war's and stuff like dying for an ignorant god to your mind taught by a human who uses the inevitable concept against you'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it wasn't your fault you were deceived, a real god won't not hold that against the deceiver'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and devil is the master trickster here on earth'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Illiden: '"won't not"'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so you can't outmaneuver his wit'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'at least in the bible's context those are the role's of the perfect god and his enemy'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so they're talking about the shortage of canadian water sacrificed for toxic oil tulabee worm gill parasites in freshwater lake's and mapping underground water deposits to give the world a better idea of how long they can postpone genociding canada and feeding their unbelted overpopulation colony's of polygamy 4 wife per penis, (one woman 3 sons and a father bible analogy, for 3 sons died for the father to breed his grandson of his wife)'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that could be one interpretation of the children of the corn'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'she was a whore, not a babylon whore..'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'looking for some bread happened upon the pappe of her 3 dead husband's lookin for a quicky'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and sired him a offspring'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'highest female calling culling in life is to be a pretty idol for men to lust over money worship dropped panties in overpopulated 7 billion lust ritual - for a man to die in desert sands of somebody elses i did it for the money and perhaps something else, like they can't even support their own populations without draining mine'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so they need to eat and drink and whore all women for their international penis colonies of dead hooker wifes'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'for monsanto GMO corn children'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how did 1.3 billion people ever spring up in a land with 1/2 the area as the canada with 32 million at its peak?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'penis lust fucker ritual warbastard offspring genesis, double your doubles and drink the sand of blood walking through the slime of toxins you fed to the exosystem, as you are an insect after all pretending to be human's, legion'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this is a book, you look it?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they got high hopes, don't eat candy apples and stuff that people make, only consume the neighbourly corporate candy planning, for they have installed hired men to put razorblades and stuff into your candybag's in a gesture of neighbourly service for a corporate terrorist'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not many trick or treaters anymore, i guess that was eventual death of a generation, it's alright though, it's low carb'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nothing to do with intelligent world domination hitler syndicates and things like 7 billion overpopulation fuck with your life because the highest calling in life is to live fast and die young while spitting bastards onto the planet that uses that against you while telling the others who to genocide next in the water shortage death camps'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'better them than them,and they.. man they're this and that.. sacrificial goat sodomy'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and pollute your local fisheries, reason out how come you need salmon that grow 4x as fast growth hormones chinese infant breast bbc article'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'those hormones is alright, for the millions of upside down fish in the mississipi delta claimed such'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the neccessary risk is upon us, girls who reach puberty as the children of the corn lower the weaning age to 16 then 12 and so on and so forth'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nature was obsolete casualty of progress of the industrial black arts by the warlock who runs the world'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so black they try to reach for the rivers and lakes running black blood of the earth oceans of gore'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the world looks like a black hole consuming the galaxy of human's when you look at it from some angles, like the space station you can only see from the corner of your eyes high in the sky'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe they are ancient aliens sacrificing the human cattle ranch to some black hole satan abaddon apollyon in the bottomless sky of top's that breed civilization's as ant colonies'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how tricky are people able to continually organize throughout chaos?  what is the limit's of human influence and the stranger's beyond that must be possible for it to be organized?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'legion of demon's is definitely possible, will's of satan incarnate self possible as well - hells angels in other words, but not only the human gang but actual agents of hell the mythological realm of torture and death after this world is through with the human body prison, which is consumed by hell the grave of job'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the light that once shone through it left wandering, trickling to a new energy deposit of some kind, essence of I remains'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't see you as not growing out of murdering human's for fun without being fueled by the devil of some name or another'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) WaterWitch Oceania: 'awo'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i grew out of swatting flies when i realized that spiders eat them, and grew out of killing spiders when i realized i could be a spider too and having mercy on them instead of disturbence at their grotesque appearance'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe we're merely strange reflections of one another mister spider'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) WaterWitch Oceania: 'true...'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so to be a conscienceless yet interospective entity aware of more than your own side dreaming reality into real that you destroy as it wasn't really real, ie more than a projective schizophrenic delusional about fake reality from reality itself as understood by you, possibility and fact collided here isn't that strange - to be that, you require some form of a shield against justice and a reassurance in the lie you call life to destroy'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'therefore you require to be an agent of hell, who is paled by death, as a worm in a metaphorical lake of fire consuming those you render god's forsaken redistribution of soul's in the ganga river type of entity of consideration'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'because if you seen  yourself a pale white light that made everything appear to be a lie for introspection you wouldn't have the same resolve to conduct this hypocrisy against its owner that you do'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'otherwise you are an angel of the empty owner of that lonely light'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but self destruction isn't god's desire is it?  waking up from the dream that we are'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) WaterWitch Oceania: 'wise words dude'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not really, because there's a real being referred to by it, whether or not it has intelligence - under the assumption it does i discuss animated human's who are actually his will to hate himself to death, resolved by the absolution that only they are real, for they are those they torture in the name of the light that makes everything not'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) WaterWitch Oceania: 'but do u believe in God?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yes'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i believe in the now about god too, which isn't later'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) WaterWitch Oceania: 'thats good'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'time itself being a construction, this moment is there as now in the future, not the future as now in the past'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this moment forever lasting, being the witness of itself'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the movie about the sphynx with the head of knowledge in the abandoned 1950's corporate information laboratory with higher security clearance than the iraqi war temple of knowledge suicidal minotaur postulates that reality is information, and to know that information is to be no longer a member of this moment of time in it's accumulation'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's a pretty messed up show, bad directing and acting sort of, but it has some legitimate subject matter'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) WaterWitch Oceania: 'ddnt see it:?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the light that vampires run from might be deeper than the sunshine'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in the inspiring legends'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) WaterWitch Oceania: 'do u believe in vampires?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i met people who claimed to be vampires'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) WaterWitch Oceania: 'do u believe them?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they didn't show me no flying tricks as showoff, but they seemed to manipulate my mind and set it at ease letting them do the steering - psychic vampires is a topic of satanic church'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how did they come up with their story to tell me about, having known nothing about me arriving at our meeting point in time?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not sure, i think it's possible'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) WaterWitch Oceania: 'no all vampires are evil...'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not a vampire as far as i know, but they are mythological metaphors, maybe like the unicorn is a metaphor for a material minded soul, and the cyclops one who looks beyond the horn'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) WaterWitch Oceania: 'u never know wats out there in the big wide world'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe derived from a holy man's account's of his witness of a holy ghost or running from divinity philosopher'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): WaterWitch Oceania goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'unholy man, demons, possessed people who knows - people possess people in human slavery, how about their minds?  are you captivated by the new york stock exchange that deals in the intellectual value of the imaginary dollar and how much what you do is worth?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now a mind can captivate your mind, maybe there is minds that don't belong to human bodies that captivate others minds - like the tree in the movie poltergeist'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) WaterWitch Oceania: 'no, but mystical creatures'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'near the time (i wasn't on drugs or nothing here, nothing out of the ordinary really) i met that woman who claimed to be a vampire (saxxon she called her surname), i was trying to get some sleep one night and met a black face taking over my consciousness, i couldn't not see it staring me in my mind's eye, it was a black face with black eyes surrounded by darkness'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'vampire bats are real, all other vampires are made up, sorry'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'after i seen this face i looked up more into some other thing's, like the 7 cardinal sin's and a nightmare i had as a kid being thrown into a pit of vipers with the lid closed, surrounded by serpents in the dream i woke up and felt my chest constricted, to spread my arms the snake separated in half and writhed in my sheets - remember clearly seeing if this was made up by my mind or not in a illusion i told myself - and i remember those blankets kicking around with it's body'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'spiritual serpents are mentioned in egyptian folklore at least'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and in the 7 cardinal sins the punishment for sloth is listed as being thrown into a pit of serpents'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this was the first time i ever had went to church of my own free will, and while there i got bored of the services the family i went with was listening to, and sat in the lobby playing with marbles, and bust a stained glass window'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'made me think that perhaps the being being worshipped there was the devil, that the priest was a male witch and other things like that'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this happened when i was 7 years old to 9 years old, i had no idea of what cardinal sins were or anything'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the black face in the darkness i tried to find what entity that could represent in this documented world, and i figured it could be the angel of the bottomless pit or else apep'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'could be something as simple as a stone carving in the world somewhere where somebody points thoughts of people towards'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't know really, but i never seen it in any movies and wasn't seeing inventions of my own imagination - maybe in between sleep and awake'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'another time i seen this pale white face whos mouth was like a vacuum sucking at my soul hover in front of my stereo in the place where i said the girl who said she was the devil and the other girl who hated white people i met'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like the black face in the darkness, this face captivated my mind's eye and i couldn't not see it, always within it's reach of both'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse, i'm not sure - they are angels aren't they?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'behold a black horseman.. behold a pale horseman'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's the other two'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) WaterWitch Oceania: 'i dont know...'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's something real about these thing's, i didn't invent them like stephen king didn't invent the suicidal nature of the characters in teh story the long walk and the depravity of the societies that is apparently real in this norman rockwell like photograph'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you don't have to believe me, but i know what i saw's like something people went nuts over thinking they seen angels and demon's writing religions about it'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if i can see these kind of thing's and not invent them, then how many people could be led by them, if they are spirits, or what else would they be?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) WaterWitch Oceania: 'i understand. They are real. They all around us and we dont even know'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the prophets in the bible talk about being taken by the spirit, which one of these spirits could that be?  was it different?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'writing by the spirit'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if it's man-made, then how do men make images to the self to witness that are unexplainable by the sane mind?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'to drive other people crazy?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) WaterWitch Oceania: 'there are angels who intervine'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how are they themselves not taken by their own trickery if that is the case?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'could be angels, that's true'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and i'm haunted by demon's or something, i don't know what my purpose is in life'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) WaterWitch Oceania: 'there are also other things that intervine to...darking things...'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) WaterWitch Oceania: 'maby ur powerful? Demons only want power. They greedy'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it is nuts, i know that - i could be foolin myself with you, but i'm not and those events happened'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they could be greedy, not much is known about demons except they're bad thing's that are spirits which aren't neccessarily material reality, but a different plane of existance like a lack of reflection in the mirror'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) WaterWitch Oceania: 'ur soul could be uselfull to them...or they want ur fear. They savour that'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'which is funny - cause somehow after watching a clip of that movie where the reflection in the mirror takes on a life of its own, my own mind one night showed me my mirror and my face looking out of it above my head, and i looked in the real mirror to see nobody'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'fear like a battery as is want'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how do you cut off fear and want from yourself to not fuel demon's?  who do you put your mind on, assuming they are like that?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) WaterWitch Oceania: 'hmmm. It gives them more power.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'stuff like that makes me think that demon's actually surround me sometimes, that and things like my dog snoring the other night and a low gutteral language being spoken through the snore'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) WaterWitch Oceania: 'demons fear cats. They well stay away if u have a cat'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this happened another time in a mall, while i was waxing the floor in the entranceway i started to hear voices, like a schizophrenic would, coming from the empty display cases of headless manican's, and the water spoke to me of her friend's who were at the urinal's, and there wasn't nobody visibly there, but my mind took me to this house i'm in now 40 miles away, and the beast coming through the livingroom window and taking over my family, which includes this dog i heard'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'by the end of the night i was convinced that if the only other person in that building (who was my coworker) wasn't witnessing this same thing, he was going to kill me, and i asked him, are you going to kill me?  he said no, i quit that job soon after'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that my dog and family might be possessed has crossed my mind before, sometimes i'll hear them talking to themselves in their sleep, in fear'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'my dog's snore talking to me is pretty strange isn't it?  i know there's a voice there but can't quite understand the words being spoken'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) WaterWitch Oceania: 'yes...i believe that...'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i try to be nice to cat's i meet now, i have none around here at this time, but maybe will pick one up some day again'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) WaterWitch Oceania: 'hey..i g2g we have 2 continue this later. Enjoy ur day'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one time walking down the street in this town i grew up in i passed this woman's house, and there was 4-6 cat's sitting on a car, all staring at me and growling'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that struck me as odd, cause i never seen cat's do that before, might fuck with your head if it happened to you too'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) WaterWitch Oceania: 'thats bad hey'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, if i believed in things like konstantine's demonic cat's half in half out or else witchcraft of some sort that would be a pretty bad sign'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'also had some witchlike stuff happening after discussing the cat from pet sematary novel with some participants on yahoo chat, what is the necromantic kind of spirit possessing the animals and departed and how is it similar to the kind of hellbent evil we see in the world'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'about a week after that the oil spill happened in the gulf of mexico, and about a week and a half after that the french minister of finance was taking part in a mic maq smudge ceremony before the G-20 summit'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this was in photographcs on CBC, this chain of strange events'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) WaterWitch Oceania: 'if cats growl like that theres something wrong'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the mic maq indian tribe is the one stephen king mentions in that book - so you see why it's weird, little god swamp'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'another thing happened is i found that they can use peat moss to clean up floating oil spills from norway, where the blowout preventer was sent for analyses, information released around the same time, a week before the spill on sciencedaily.net'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they took the course of using the dispersant chemical instead of the plenteous reusable peat moss'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) WaterWitch Oceania: 'hmmm. Maby theres somthing with u that has taken a claim to ur soul? Get a cat and study its movements
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luna Cat Eleksis: 'oc what are you doing?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) WaterWitch Oceania: 'im talking to him'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i've considered whether or not i'm possessed, it is possible, how could i tell though?  i've consulted several priests and none of them seen anything amiss with me, i tried to discuss arcane spiritual topics from the bible and they talked about the world as they think god wanted it to be, acting all faithful about it - which is fine, but not what i was needing'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'my uncles black cat tries to eat my fingers and seems very hateful about it while i try to play with it'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) WaterWitch Oceania: 'wat hapend wen u were near it?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luna Cat Eleksis: 'hmm maybe it just doesnt like you?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not like a normal feline play grace but an animal killing instinct of opposition'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't know, it's like that strange story about the sacred necromantic burial ground, and the hissing cats on the car in front of that woman's house i used to know'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a similar spirit like the spirit of hatred i see in this game sometimes'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luna Cat Eleksis: 'spirits? Hmm i can ask them oc?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'when i was near it it looks at me with bright eyes, seems like a normal cat, pet it on its head ok, sit down for half an hour and the cat seems to get violent, and i can sense it's going to try to go for my neck or is thinking about it and it seems to gesture in that direction and then the hatred increases in intensity'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luna Cat Eleksis: 'hey i'm eleksis i know more than oceania, how long has this been going on?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe i blew things out of proportion but normal wasn't invited there or else was opposed, the cat's probably a normal cat, but maybe it was taken by a devil who follows me around, like maybe some people here know about'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luna Cat Eleksis: 'demons, devils, dark spirits, cant take over cats'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some people say evil's all in my mind, but my mind isn't in the 6 cats growling on the car's mind, is it?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that is a strange phenomenon, not the type of thing normal cats would do unless they're raised on the streets of a slum feasting on human carrion or the like'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luna Cat Eleksis: 'have you ever thought this creature is so close to you so often it bothers the cats when you're there'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sodom makes some songs about eyes shining with a beastly hatred that will be realized and stuff like that, sometimes i wonder about that, if it means that you're the beast and this is the bottomless pit or what other kind of hidden reality's of religious interpretation are possible'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'kind of like people here in this game, knowing nothing about me, feel just fine and dignified knowing about my inner self somehow using that against me through their speech of opposition, as the cat goes for my neck'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so you see, sometimes you people remind me of that cat and seem to confirm my suspicion by realities that you express, proving to me the reality of evil if not good'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is it human nature to read a mind through electronics like this and oppose it's positive circuitry, or something demonic, like a evil spirit?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'And sometimes we worry about you, as a person, having seen you in far more rational modes of thought.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can't confirm how many of you are possessed, if any of you are or not'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and who owns you - that is the next question'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'And thus we worry.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'When you are not on your medication you decided that your medication is evil, and thus your fantasies become reality, your reality fantasy.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Luna Cat Eleksis comforts The Imp Druzil.
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i never was delusional, they said i was delusional while the principal at my school molested 13 year old girls being a 57 year old man and i pointed out that he's a pedophile to my grandparents who believed me, to later be revealed on CTV news that he had ran away from school with a girl his daughter's age'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'If you are certain a man is a pedophile, that is not the same as being certain a man is possessed.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you come from the creed that protects his creed from revelation and their vile intent on the minds of the people in this world, don't judge me'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'To judge is human.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he's the mayors and perverted gynecologists of your world'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'whether one is individual from the next, maybe you k now better than me, but as i showed 6 cats can seem to be one cat sometimes'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'And you, with your unbalanced mind, are the angel?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Or merely the Cassandra?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luna Cat Eleksis: 'okay... He is unhelpable thus im turning debate off again'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you can call that something i imagined as you do think it is, but as i know otherwise you're the one being delusional to yourself, instead of acknowledging the paranormal reality of these thing's and looking for solutions, as i do'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'The 'paranormal' reality I may or may not experience does not map to yours.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Your 'reality' maps heavily to schizophrenia.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'something fierce like paranormal movie actually happened to me and i discuss it with you, you find that offensive because it's not labelled a fiction but food for thought in the study for answers to mental illness and what is the difference to spiritual reality?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I don't find it offensive in the least.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'However, I am well aware of the way that our expectations color our perceptions.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and your reality impacts me by being the manifest industries that cause the corruption of the non-demonoid phenomenon around me, like the air, water and missing ladybugs on foliage - i think my delusions are well met in this world of your realities that end the ability to have delusion's, if you're a contextual atheist not seeing beyond this material reality being destroyed by your ignorances'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yes you're right, i expect opposition and you are opposed, i guess it was a fruitful search for the enemy'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'am i attacking you or is it the other way around?  lets see how sure of your mind you are after a complete study of every ailment known to man'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm sure that my mind is the only one i will ever know, and the subject matter known by both of ours assumed to be taken the same'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i gave up projecting your mind is defined by my mind onto the world a long time ago'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'It's amazing how much you can learn about minds by open observation.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'notice i never say you are satan incarnate and assert that or you are an illusion of the earths dementia and assert that as you with a nail on top?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Luna Cat Eleksis: 'my head hurts now you people speak funny'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Do you believe that to be the case, Druzil?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'because i don't know that, you might be influenced by him and other thing's like that but i can't say you are who i don't know by that name'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'were you given a guide of spirits along with name's they go by in the world and able to tell who serve's who by their symptom's?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'Druzil, the Broken AI, I bid you goodnight.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'such a thing might not exist for men'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you have a god called schizophrenia that you place all the unknown psychological disturbances to your inner stability under the flag of'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'No, I was given eyes to see, ears to hear, and a mind to understand. And discernment, to tell a spirit by its fruits. And skepticism, to look for a human agent before a supernal one.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hard to acknowledge the unknown isn't it?  nothing can move this can by the unseen wind and the hand's that are propelled by it'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'Humanism rules'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Oh, no, I acknowledge the unknown every day.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'the Absolute Unknown cannot be known.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'You may honestly have made contact with the supernal. But if so, it has not left you whole.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's good, it would be a fairly desolate story if all the ends were already known and we were just repeating our prophetic selves'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'aware of the repetition'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as it's written in the bible, avoid vain repetitions'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Absolute foreknowledge is a prison.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Just ask Odin.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'all the ends are already known.  the humans simply are puppets living out the prescribed paths.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, and sciences belief that they know the world's end and need to sacrifice this world to build a prison on a foreign solar system is similar to your odin'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'Absolute Foreknowledge shall be attained when science reaches its limit'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I have no idea where you got that idea from, Druzil. Weren't you talking about not projecting other minds?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yes numen, science the prophet of prison is like that'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'And Numen, Heisenberg has a bone to pick with you.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'to me that's how yours leaned towards, you act logical so science seems alright heimdal'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'uncertainly principle is about quantum level phenomenon, not macroscropic phenomenon.  yes, the worldly affairs, in the end, are pre-determined.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Ironically, I lean more towards Loki than Heimdall. More towards the trickster than the guardian.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'logical einstein predicted that in exactly 4 years after bee's going extinct so would human's'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the british science paper describes over 150 deadly chemicals found in honey'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen: Even if aggregate processes of quantum phenomena produce classical mechanics, we are hardly a clockwork. For quantum effects can be seen inside the human brain.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who's the logical professor of earth path now?  the one who goes against his advisors?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Druzil: I would argue that such chemicals are also found in your body.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you would be right, i do eat honey once in awhile'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'In such minute amounts that they cause no harm.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Wow, so many words, so little knowledge.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and russian RAND knows it all, ask the sinking madagascar with a titanium flag on the pole's of it's wisdom'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'Einstein denied the principles of quantum phenomenon.  I'm not doing that.  I'm saying that the quantum rules added upto the macroscope manifestations do not give a room for any other possiblity but one.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they advise the US senate since the 1940's didn't they?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen: it is a pretty idea, sadly, devoid of actual science.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Druzil... No.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'If philosophia is the love of wisdom, what is the love of ignorance called?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Ah. Philoagnoia.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'Even if quantum events happen in the human brain, when it all adds up to the cellular group behaviors and macroscropic manifestations, there isn't a room for deviation.  an erratic electron in the human brain will be rendered meaningless by trillions of others in the human brain.  hence, the macroscopic affairs, human or not, are all pre-destined.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'love of ignorance is religion.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen, you are very devout in your philoagnoia. I ask you for the math to support your hypothesis.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's wrong with ignorance?  according to the bible they didn't know what that one fruit in the garden tasted like, and it was good against the will of their advisor'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'For I have seen the math to erode it.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not certain how come their advisor isn't mention advising over the nature of the tempter though'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Druzil: do you remember the first commandment God ever gave man, before the fall?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe cause that would be like prophecy, satan will tempt you... if satan tries to tempt you would have been alright wouldn't it?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: '"Go forth and give names to everything."'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'You know what that practice is called in the modern day?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Science.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'defenseless future'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'From the Latin scire, to know.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and were they wearing corruptible human bodies in the garden of paradise?  or were the coats of skin literally these human bodies of corruption which the lord made for them to cover their nakedness?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'what is the probability of a misbehaving single human neuron adding up to the cosmic significance?  yes, when chaotic effect holds true, it maybe, but either way, the future paths are only finite, all defined within known range.  hence, if if the human future paths are many, ultimately, in many cycles of the Universe, all will be played out.  hence, in the long run, everything is finite because all happens within the finite number of possiblities.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how could they distinguish their souls apart without their mortal bodies which are vulnerable to lots of forms of destruction?  shall the pot ask the potter, why hast thou made me thus?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen, the world is inherently chaotic, not inherently entropic.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a silouette, ocean in the desert, a mirage like body with a real soul and mind and faculties'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Druzil: they had not eaten of the tree of eternal life.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you can move the sand but to where?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'From this we may assume they had frail bodies.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Prone to injury and death.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, lest they shall be as us knowing the difference between good and evil'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'read my words again.  in the case of many outcomes, in the long run, all the outcomes would be had.  hence, in the end, there is no choice:  all will happen within many of the known paths.  all will be played.  a game of dice is hardly random when all you can get is one of six, and all six will be had when you play long enough.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lest they should eat also of the tree of life, so is it your interpretation that they're mocking the reader who hasn't died yet in the 1000 year day in which 1 day to god is as 1000 years to man adam died'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'the world is both inherently chaotic and entropic.  not only one of either.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so they were maybe eating of that tree of life before they were cast out of the garden, having eaten of the tree of death'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen: you are looking at the merely statistical, I am looking at the resonant. The same process by which a kid ensures his next swing will be higher.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'being put into corruption bodies where they will all die within the 1 day god said'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Druzil, there was no tree of death named. There was a tree of eternal life, and one of knowledge of good and evil.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'You cannot uneat the fruit of conscience.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'I'm looking at the whole, you're looking at a confined limitation.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'by one man death entered into the world, do you think that means cain or .. in the day wherein thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so what was in the tree, a promise of death?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen: you're looking at thermodynamics, which simplifies through a lie. I am looking at statistical mechanics, which is less simple, but the truth.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Druzil: Death was always an option, but it was not always certain.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'The second and third laws of thermodynamics are not absolute truths, nor even applicable to non thermodynamic systems, regardless of how statistical they are.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'making things certain is important to dictator's and madagascar sinkers with overpopulation neccessitated death camps in the poisoned river air foliage death cult running the tyrant's union'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'All it takes is one statistical anomaly to kill your predestination.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'doesn't that seem like the viable future, or will man find a way to support his excessive breeding habits of having more than his share of temptations on earth and not destroying himself long enough to not require death camp's to make room for his future breed?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'is there a real difference between thermodynamics and statistical mechanics?  one adds up to another, vice versa.  again, I'm looking at the whole.  the small parts added up together will not allow a room for deviation at macroscopic level.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe burroughing into the earth like worm's in holographic chamber's of the outside world where they're synthesized like the matrix movie, never knowing they're merely hens in a egg laying facility who have no beak's'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Yes, having taken courses on both, there is. Numen, your 'predestination' is like the statician's golf game. One lands a meter to the north of the hole, the second a meter to the south, the third declares two holes in one.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'I'm telling you:  even if one statistically anomaly kills your predestination, over a repetition of the universal life and existence, in the end, all will be played out, all will be had, hence, all will be happen in one of the possible paths.  hence, the choice is matter of this or another, not a complete knew.  even with the possiblities that seems infinite, in the end, it isn't infinite.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'If you wish to argue physics with a physicist, you must be sure of your math.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm just mocking along with the general atmosphere of stupid decision's i see manifest in the world, i guess that makes me crazy, but scary movie was funny wasn't it?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'All you are arguing from is meaningless anecdote and insistance that, despite all the evidence, you are right.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'if you say you're really sure of anything, then it's sure sign you don't really know what you're doing.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen: you're damned sure of predestination, then.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'my mockery might be somewhat more likely or not, depending how real earth's population is, and reality itself too.. it's debateable according to nirvana and other schools of thought'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so they're thinking ahead and teaching low morality and strict uninvolved household's of brutality and use of force to dictate people's sold for money outcomes in the man-made birth facility'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'no I'm not.  many things needs to be tested, validated, and yet again, still then even it come out as a surprising answer.  I'm merely proposing a basis to work upon.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'while sinking some continents through global warming cause we all have to drive over there somewhere , this here space we occupy wasn't sufficient to sell our souls for money'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '(i don't sell myself for money)'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen: you are not proposing a basis, you are propounding a dogma.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I am merely taking the evidence and following to its logical endpoint.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then poisoning the soil, removing the potash that keeps the foliage on the top growing in the fertile america's, unlike the absent potash reserves in the desert's'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'where not much foliage surprisingly grows, throwing aside shit and other forms of natural fertilizer in the birth destruction ritual'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'A scientist may come up with an explanation, but he does not attempt to alter the data to fit his explanation.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'He alters his explanation to fit the evidence.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'filling fish in the freshwater lake's with parasitic worm's, leaked maybe from animal feedlots for macdonalds or unintelligent intelligently designed pesticide/herbicide and biological warfare'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'reverse sarcasm psychology does not work -- opponnents shall agree with your support or agree with others that the reverse sarcasm speaker is a inexperienced immature fool'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'poisoning the sources of water, the air (cloud of smog in a nice windless hot day in vancouver)'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon peers intently at Zela.
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and destroying the ecosystem, like the absence of ladybugs and death of berry trees due to aphids'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'I'm proposing a hypothesis to work with:  1.  quantum-level phenomena adds up to marginal differences in aggregate level.  2.  even if chaotic even at quantum level results in cosmic impact, in the long run of the Universe Big Bang cycle, all the possible events will be played out.  |  Therefore, in the long run, all possible macroscopic paths will be played out and repeat.  that the Universe, in a sense, is a cosmic statistical experiment.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen, even classical mechanics is chaotic.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then preaching to breed, breed, breed!  yes, fuck and fuck again, life is fuck and this isn't going to result in total death'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Fluid mechanics are hugely chaotic.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'having some haven where the people who fucked up everybody elses inherited teachings of the world's habit's from their sick society and oblivious parent's'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'And that is a macro-scale field right there.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'read my description up there again.  I haven't denied chaos.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Any n-body equation where n is greater than 2 is chaotic'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Yes you have.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'saying they could have chose to do otherwise, but some innocent iraqi's were destroyed while trying to destroy their master, in these death camps we set up to control the problem of exporting all of the substance of this land due to advanced robot's replacing the majority of native inhabitants of it's excavated soul'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'You have said it all comes back down to the same predestination.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'Morinon:  READ WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN.  YOU HAVE NOT.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'That is a philosophical point, never a scientific one.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'balderdash nonsense, there are more possible events than are able to be played out due to the restrictions of linearity'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'AGAIN, READ WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'oil's pretty good and long lasting solution to the earths problems, we'll go to titan and suck up it's oil before we give it up'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Zela: We live in (at least) 3N dimensional phase space, where N is the number of particles in the universe'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen: what you have written is bullshit.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I was trying to explain that politely, but, well.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'proofread the nonsense typed before you hit enter'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'Morinon:  you not reading what I have read and commenting is bullshit.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as there's no oxygen there and it's pure profit, we'll use it as a synthetic station and expect that our foreign missionaries will not leak a molecule or two into the explosion of our progress'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'Morinon:  you can't even argue other than repeating some shit you've read in physics textbooks.  read what I've written and think, then comment.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon pats Numen on his head.
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I have done actual research. Have you?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'Answer this simple question:  Have you read what I have written?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'All you have done is taken the ideas of others and fit them into a framework that suits your temperment.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the opponents are going to gainsay and or ridicule the nonsense presented'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Yes, Numen, but that's not the actual issue.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'progress is death, lets thinka bout setting up a panolympic stadium for a few hundred million dollar's now, this is more important than the future, this is a gladiator's arena where people get their minds off of the public shit-houses and the demon's in the gutter'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'The actual issue is that you are stating an idea as fact. I am saying I have ideas about facts, but I will see what the facts show out.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'now, answer this:  even if chaotic events plays out, in the long run, would you say all the possible events will be played out?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Define 'all possible'.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'It is possible, if unlikely, that I die by meteor hit in the next five seconds.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'JESUS CHRIST.  what did I say?  I said I'm mentioning a hypothesis to consider.  read it again.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'No, Numen. You are stating an unscientific dogma.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's a verse in the bible somewhere where it asks the skeptic apostle how are these people so blind and stupidly going to sentence themselves to hell while treating eachother like trash while tripping over stupidity, if it wasn't for the will of god?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'how is it a dogma?  did I say it's true?  did I say it must be true?  how did you arrive at that conclusion?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i guess god can be a good guy and a bad guy like zarathrustra talks about?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Because you keep arguing for it, and deny any evidence that gainsays it, or explain it away by using words that don't mean what you think they mean, attempting to use the inexactness of the English language to hide lack of understanding of mathematics.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'an evil that's even more evil than satan, the will of god'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'would satan have the balls to destroy this world of mortal's that hosts him and his fallen angels through eternal life?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'what is this evidence you're talking of that you're holding against my mere hypothesis?  elaborate that evidence please.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'You can say 1+1=3 as much as you want, and deride me for gainsaying it, but that does not make it a true statement.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: '1: You claim that science will lead to perfect understanding of the future.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what houses would he hide in when they're all inanimate rocks and lifeless bog's where life used to exist?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and demon cast the demon's out of the insane man and they went into the herd of swine which ran into the sea'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'The true meaning of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle is this: in observing a particle, you alter its trajectory.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'Morinon:  I'm not convienced you know what you're saying.  did I say 1+1=3?  let's focus on what I have said.  what is this evidence you're holding against my hypothesis?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'keep on going.  '
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Since you cannot fully predict the change wrought by your observation, since there is always some basic uncertainty in energy and time, in position and velocity, you cannot obtain perfect knowledge of the future.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Thus, even if the world is predestined, there is no way to confirm nor to deny it.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if this world is ran by satanists or the devil then, they no longer want to exist or else work counteractive to the will of their master, who requires mortal bodies to hide from the face of god in'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Thus, such an argument is, at heart, a philosophical debate.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'possession and stuff like that, haunting like demon's, in freuds schizophrenia, for the devil's greatest trick was convincing the world he did not exist, according to crowley, while neitzsche discusses the beast'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'now, that is logic played out in your head.  uncertainty principle applies at quantum level, no?  would you say uncertainty principle applies at macroscopic level of humans, planets, and stars?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Yes, Numen, it does.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'It applies at all levels.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'to the level at which it the magnitude of unknown matters?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so who's the one who's more evil than satan running this world's ability to host life into the ground?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'To the level at which we cannot get perfect prediction.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Which is what you claimed we can get.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Perfect prediction denies uncertainty, even to the quantum level.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'in other words, you can't perfect the position and velocity of the Earth to the degree which it is accurate enough?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they was human, they would see their own lineages eventual departure from the face of atheist reality they might see, or else what kind of spirituality do they have in mind while destroying reality itself as experienceable by their known human capabilities?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'see this is the kind of dialogue job has with his pal while discussing the will of satan destroying his house with a tornado'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'If you want perfect prediction, the only way to be 'accurate enough' is for there to be no uncertainty, no delta_x nor delta_v error bars.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '(you guys are so inexperienced with those flawed assumptions and errored conclusions)'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Well, delta_p error bars.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Zela, any time you wish to make sensical observations, feel free.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now i can't unmask god or the devil's and angels and stuff, but there is ample reason to believe they exist, because human greed preserves itself like billion dollar bank accounts making the owners richer'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'where do they spend their money in a dead world where money has nothing to pass it around?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'The minimum product of the position and momentum error bars is always the planck constant divided by 2.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so .. they must have a plan of some sort, an arcane spirituality that protects them from their decisions or .. something, right?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'I ask you again.  think instead of repeating what you've read in textbooks.  Does the uncertainty of precision involved in measuring the macroscopic phenomenon matter to the degree of which it affects the significant outcome at macroscopic level?  does measuring the Earth velocity or position disrupt the Earth position, energy, velocity, momentum, to the degree which it would matter to the comic outcome?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Yes.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Absolutely.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'If you cannot be absolutely certain, then over the space of infinite time, you cannot be certain.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'so, you're saying measuring the Earth velocity at any given time already altered the outcome by the action of the measurement?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Yup.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they claim atheism and destroy what define's them in this world of mortal death, did you enjoy air before it was patented at a shortage due to economic progress and industrial revolution, as the icecaps melted and the fish swam upside down showing their maggoted bellies to the sunshine that is no longer seen by the eyes which no longer are because the air is acrid now and the rain is toxic and the blood is filthy with the result, as parasites in fishes necks look like worms we are melting into the same form of being consumed by our inferior's, the scavenger's of our scavenging'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Interestingly enough, this measurement need not even be by a mind.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Every photon that bounces off the Earth measures its momentum and position.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'reduced plank constant / 2, btw'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a new heat!  '
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Leinei looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'now, if measuring the Earth velocity, or any other thing or property of anything in the Universe, is all part of events in the Universe, will, over the long run, as the Universe goes over its lifecycle and different event sets happen in each Universe cycle, will all the possible events played out toward the infinity?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'My bad, Leinei.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe it is hellfire'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '(plank constant /pi) /2'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Of course not, Numen. After all, I wasn't hit by a meteor 3 minutes ago.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'why is it not?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Because the phase space of the possible changes based on what actually happens.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Are you familiar with Hilbert space, or will you accuse me of merely reading books and regurgitating it again?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Because I find regurgitating proven science better than philosophical masturbation.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they don't know what the fault lines actually look like and have never seen the mantle, but they have a theological globe to decompile and make unneccessary things like potash and oil from the uranium-like changing of the surrounding space accustomed to it's burial'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'Let's say all things that "actually" happen in the Universe as an event set over its life time.  Would you say that event set if finite?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Nope.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'there are so many errors scrolling onto the debate channel, with likely no end to the presentation of more errors, ... Maybe after a few decades of further education, some maturity may result; but even that is doubtful, (since you've sold your souls to errors)'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'wy not?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's not much in science that can't be boiled down to theology, except that which is seemingly only explainable one way because of the convinced teacher convincing'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Zela, right now Druzil is more coherent than you.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen: because you assume discrete states, when reality is far more like a continuum.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'There are infinite points even on a line of finite length.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lots of teachers are just repeating things without understanding, it's how they make money'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'making money's an alright excuse for sloppy work isn't it?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'Morinon: elaborate your notion of "reality being like a continuum"'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'There is no minimum length. Just a minimum MEASUREABLE length.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'back to my point: why do you think the event set in the Universe is infinite?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'The same reason the set of numbers between 0 and 1 is infinite'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I think is his point'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon nods at Leinei.
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'so, you're saying matter isn't discrete, energy isn't discrete?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Because no matter how small a number you have, you can still halve it.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's left to your judgement, remember evil doesn't exist according to the status quo, only ways of looking at things vary, that's only evil because you judge it to be such and it eases your mind to think so, it serves a higher good maybe.. in the minds of it's perpetrator'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Matter and energy do seem to be, as far as I can tell. However, time does not seem to be.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) WaterWitch Oceania: 'hey druzil'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'so, you're denying the discrete-ness of matter and energy?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'what about the string theory'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'No, just of time and space.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'that posits that these string like particles are the smallest components'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Those are all that are required to not be discrete.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'what is time and space?  a snapshot of the matter and energy in a given area, no?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Nope.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'They are directions in 4-space.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so stuff like treasonous sacrifice of your environmental sustainability for your future for excuses of money, excused, is only evil because you don't see the higher good behind it, like your destruction'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'what is your definition of time and space then?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the advisor's of your government sold to the group of people behind your destruction, that's no cause for concern, it's only evil if you let it be evil'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they were just looking for their daily bread sacrificed to money'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'If I move my hand a foot to the left, it didn't move in discrete steps, even though there's a discrete amount of matter in my hand.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'what directions?  directions of what?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Space is defined by the difference in location between discrete particles. Time is defined by the difference in order between discrete events.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'would you say then space and time is defined by energy and matter?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'in terms of energy and matter, rather.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Yes. But whereas energy and matter are quantized, time and space are not.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"string theory is mostly nonsense at the ignoramii level" -- Buzzwords for Dummies'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so yeah, evil's pretty prevailant in the world's upper level's of decision's that relate to human reality and earth's future for it'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'how does the argument hold that when time and space are defined in terms of energy and matter, and energy and matter are quantized, and time and space are not quantimzed?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you think evil exists.. maybe they're just people who see the better way's of thing's but pretend to be blind'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Zela: Congrats on proving you are not actually intelligent, just pretentious.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they pretend because one of them can't tell another one about the problem, cause the other one might choose to be deaf'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'why no transivity?  if spacetime is defined in terms of matter and energy, and matter and energy are quantized, why not spacetime quantimzed too?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen: I can treat space and time without energy and matter, they just have no purpose. I cannot treat matter and energy without time and space.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'deaf and dumb people were problems for jesus too, according to the gospel'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'A infinite set can be defined in terms of a finite set.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon nods at Leinei.
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'All multiples of the number 2, for instance'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe he meant the understanding and maybe both the material reality and the understanding, or maybe he was an elaborate metaphor by these same people'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '2 is a finite set'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'let's look at it this way:  does spacetime matter without matter-energy?  does spacetime exist at all without matter-energy?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'all multiples are not'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Does it matter, no. Can it exist without it, yes.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'without matter-energy, can there really be spacetime?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen: yes.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'how so?  you can't measure space, nor time without matter-energy.  does that mean it exists when you can't measure it?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Energy and matter are only understood within spacetime. Spacetime can be understood without energy or matter.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen, are you going to continue in sophistry?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'you can't measure spacetime without matter-energy.  how can you understand something in science you can't measure?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Mathematics, of course.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) WaterWitch Oceania: 'druzil?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'I'm going the long way to make you see my original point.  keep following.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'What you are so assiduously avoiding in your argument.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Beltegeuse: 'stop measuring you are changing the system conditions'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'so, you're saying pure mathematics is substitution for experiments in matter-energy and spacetime?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I am saying that pure mathematics is how one understands the experiments.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'And thus one can extrapolate using pure mathematics.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Jesus christ is a fiction -- the opinions of a fictional character are philosophically suspect'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'I beg to differ.  pure mathematics is how one explains and describes the experiments.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Beltegeuse: 'jesus christ is called Higgs boson, nowadays'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'And how one derives meaning from the experiments.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'pure mathematics can and will change if physical experiments give counter examples.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Not the math.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Merely the theory described by math.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"pure" and "practical' are not synonyms'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'many events described in bible appears to be true (for example sodoma and gomorrah)'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Math is a purely logical language.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'then again, back to my original point.  if matter-energy is decrete, is the event set of matter-energy in spacetime finite?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Nope.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Because there are an infinite amount of numbers between 0 and 1.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'why not?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Wait...your point is a question?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Same question we answered 5 times already, Leinei.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'as of math, it is believed that there are simple rules that allows for example factorization of prime numbers'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'why does the notion of infinite gradient in mathematics matter when the physical world isn't infinitely gradient?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'The physical word is. Matter isn't.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'World*'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'are you saying the physical world has infinite precision, infinite degree of granularity?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Just because all matter happens in discrete fundamental particles does not mean that there are infinitely many lengths between the planck distance and twice the planck distance.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Yes. We merely are unable to measure it.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Also amend that to 'does not mean that there are NOT infinitely many lengths''
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'still, you can always divide any distance into two equal distances'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'what are you really saying?  some arbitrary, mathematical infinite precision that cannot be measured in physical world matters in physical world?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen: You are saying there is some arbitrary perfect precision by which one can predict the entire world. My argument is no less absurd than yours.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Rather, no MORE absurd than yours.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"the factorization of a prime number p" is trivial: p and 1'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'I did not say you can perfectly predict.  I said there is only a finite number of possiblities, and over long time, all the possiblities will be played out.  you still didn't get my original point.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"the factorization of a composite number", that is something different'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'I meant factorization of p * q where p and q are prime (but yes, factorization of prime is trivial :) ) '
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'how do you measure leanth then?  is the speed of light used to measure length not finite?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen, you are, again, making a philosophical statement, not a scientific one.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'how is it not a scientific one?  if you add up all the matter-energy and their interactions, wouldn't they be finite?  what is your answer?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'what you meant and what you posted, ...'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen: one can, by multiplying factors of 2 and 3, come up with an infinite yet bounded set of numbers.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'yes, different things'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Thus, the possibilities are infinite, yet bounded.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'the matter-energy in the Univese is constant, no?  that matter-energy is neither created nor destroyed?  if there's constant matter-energy, why is not its event set finite?  explain to me again.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'First off, we only assume that the matter+energy in the universe is conserved. But even under that assumption, we have infinite possibility. Even limiting that space to the observable universe and removing all indistinguishable duplicates, THERE ARE AN INFINITE AMOUNT OF POSSIBLE STATES.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'No matter how much you divide infinity, it remains infinite.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Beltegeuse: 'bad point, you are talking about one kind of matter, visible one, you dont know if this principle works for dark matter'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'I'm talking within the established framework of physics.  let's not get off to what might be, because that could be anything or nothing.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen, you're limiting even the established framework of physics to those subset that support your vision.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'that is a very piculiar argument.  how did you come up to the conclusion that there are infinite possible states when matter-energy happens dicretely?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Because the set of numbers between 0 and 1 are infinite.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Pretty sure he already answered that about 8 times'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'But since you choose to ignore that, or are incapable of understanding that, you keep asking me what I mean by a simple mathematical statement.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'If you look at a fly on the wall, it's a finite amount of matter.  But yet, if it sits there for 5 minutes, it's taken up an infinite amount of states in those five minutes'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'it's not a vision.  I'm making a hypothesis based on the established frame work of physics.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Hell, number theory was the course I hated the most.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'No, Numen. You are making a hypothesis based on a flawed understanding of the established framework of physics.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'so, you're saying an electron can occupy a place anywhere between 0 and 1, without quantization?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'how is that flawed?  explain.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'If 0 and 1 are not defined with 0 being a central proton and 1 being the n/infinity state distance... Yes.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'An electron is quantized in terms of native mass, native charge, and the positions it may occupy within a given atom or atom latticework.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'An electron floating in a vaccum is only quantized for mass and charge.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Just because two things can't (theoretically) occupy different spaces within a certain distance of each other doesn't mean that one object can't occupy two different spaces within a certain distance at two different times'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Indeed. Within a single quantum state there are an infinite number of possible positions.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Or momenta.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'there you just said it.  in terms of space occupation, matter is quantized.  you just destroyed your own argument of infinite gradient or possiblity in space or distance.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'No, I did not.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I took the quantization and showed how it does not limit possibility.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'You simply chose to ignore it, based on your own flawed understanding of how quantization works.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'read what you wrote.  once matter-energy start interacting, you said even space is quantized.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'No.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I did not.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'duh.  read up.  '
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I said that the possible relations between a proton/electron bonded pair are fixed with regards to each other. Not with regards to any third particle.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'once matter-energy interacts, and physical systems form, even space is quantized.  you just said it above yourself.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'No, that is not what I said at all.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'But you are free to wallow in your willful misinterpretation.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Which is about as accurate as my saying that you insist that you have personal absolute knowledge of the future.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'alright, when does matter-energy become to matter?  when can you decide it as an event?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'You just asked a nonsensical question.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'it perfectly valid question.  there is no such a thing as nonsensical question.  answer it.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'To give a good English way of saying how little sense your question made, I offer you my own.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'really, what is an event?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: '"Is it further to Chicago or by bus?"'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'no, seriously, what would you decide is an event?  the state of matter-energy in a packet of spacetime?  or in the whole Universe?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'An event is any point in space-time I designate an event.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'does an event must be observed by another matter-energy, or is a standalone state enough to qualify as an event by itself?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'In theory, there are an infinitude of events.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Most of them are, however, meaningless to the larger context of things.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'so, without matter-energy, an empty spacetime packet is still an event?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Simply being space-time coords empty of matter.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'but is not matter believed to be some kind form of energy?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: '0 is a number. It denotes empty space, but this does not make it less a number.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'why are you keep making the arguments that when matter-energy is quantized even in space, that matter-energy states are infinite?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'My argument is that matter-energy-SPACE states are infinite.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'how do you measure spacetime coordinates without matter-energy?  without matter-energy, there is no time, there is no space.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Because matter-energy devoid of space or time is meaningless.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen, you are arguing that the chicken must come before the egg. Right now I'm this close to saying that that's only because the chicken is a selfish bastard.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'matter-energy is spacetime.  they aren't separable.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Umm, no.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'They define each other.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'But they do not equate to each other.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'you're saying then spacetime can exist without matter-energy?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'A frame defines the area of the picture. It is not the picture, and the frame can exist without a picture. But the picture cannot exist without something to frame it, even if the frame is merely bare rock.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'One cannot paint a picture without a surface. One cannot have matter-energy without space-time.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'But one can have a surface without a picture. One can have space-time without matter-energy.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'back to the issue of infinite precision.  matter-energy behaves in quantized states even in space.  how can space then have infinite precision when space itself is measured with matter-energy?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Just because the paints we use run, does not mean that the surface is flawed.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'you said it.  hence matter-energy and spacetime equivalence.  they're all the properies melded together, and one does not exist without the other.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'No, I said nothing of the sort.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Read up, Numen. As you keep telling me to do.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Physician, heal thyself.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'so you're saying you can measure space and time without matter and energy?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'that there can be time without matter-energy?  that space can be measured without matter-energy?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen: Paint does not define the frame. It merely gives it meaning.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'answer to me:  can spacetime be in observable existence without matter-energy?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Sure. One simply needs a mode of observation independant of matter-energy.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Bubble theory suggests time and space are intrinsically linked with the presence of matter and energy'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how about your mind, what material's it manipulates, are those the active brain chemistry definition of the brain or a new level of abstraction not involving other than concepts of physical reality time-space?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'any known way of measuring spacetime without matter-energy?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Vakieh: quite possibly, but until bubble theory provides measureable predictions, I choose to not care.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Truth is, nobody truly knows if time or space are quantized.  And I don't think we're going to find the answer on debate channel.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon nods at Leinei.
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'What possible toe has ANY measurable predictions as yet?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this is myself, i am that, lets not pretend i am not my brain chemistry focusing on the world, instead focusing through the abstraction at the meat of the problem - the mind reasons through the brain not caring how the brain reasons for the mind, the body is a darkness that accepts the will of the mind and lets one act in this world, which is made of concepts of solidarity and absolute reality, while being considered from a abstract vantage point'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Vakieh: None of them. When one gives me one, I'll pay attention to it.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So why bother discussing at all?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the effect of gravity: quantized or continuous'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so it's pretty hollow and shallow when there is no question, and when there is that question it gains some depth'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Because Numen is insistent that sum of all possible hilbert spaces is finite.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'And that the universe will inhabit them all during its lifetime.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'my original point was simple:  within the known and verified principles of physics, matter-energy is quantized even in space, hence its event set must be finite.  now, Morinon has been arguing against that without not much good evidence at all.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Seeing as space is a property independent of any limitation, that seems unlikely'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'What evidence do you have FOR that?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Not much good evidence is still a better standard than none.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon nods at Vakieh.
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'throwing mathematical terms alone won't do.  infinite in mathematics doesn't mean it's infinite in physical matter-energy.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'He doesn't even understand that, within a s1 electron shell, there are infinite positions.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'unlikely that gravity is quantized at a crude level -- the effects of gravity may or may not be quantized'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'doest it matter?  does the position in the shell change the behavior of the atom ultimately?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think of something solid and something solid is thought of, how did that work?  all in the blood?  or did i direct the time the blood spent while considering this 3 minute dream that lasted a lifetime?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And space in fact, doesn't expand into anything, but merely seems to expand based on the perspective of the observer'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Nor that there are distances between an electron and a proton that do NOT correspond to an electron shell.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'to me that seems metaphysical, the mind and body being different beings, cooperating to form the human'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen: one may have behavior that is bounded yet infinite.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'This is what you fail to understand.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'There are 'larger' values of infinite than infinite - but you can't use Mr. Sideways 8 in equations'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Hell, I'm just using the set of all numbers in Aleph-1 between 0 and 1.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'For example, there are infinite axes of symmetry to a circle - how many in *2* circles?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'Morinon:  you seem to agree that matter-energy state is quantized even in space.  now, elaborate this behavior or state that is "bounded yet infinite"'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'If I have two non-concentric circles, there's only one axis of symmetry to the two circles.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Leinei nods quietly to himself.  What a wacko.
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen: It's simple. Even with a set distance of 1, there are infinite possible positions on the surface of a sphere with radius 1.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'do not give me mathematical justifications that do not correlate to physical realities.  not all mathematics correspondes to physical reality.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen: if you deny the language we use to talk about reality, we have nothing further to discus.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'Mornion:  (sigh)  is matter-energy not discrete even in space?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Um. What? Lemme go get that "If we are to understand anything entirely, we must base our understanding in mathematics" quote'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen: we discussed this already. Read up.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Leinei: non-coplanar but co-central circles.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'he doesn't actually know for sure, because nobody does ;)'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'Morinon:  yeah, now you're cornered, you're about to quit.  way to go.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Leinei nods at Dread Lord Morinon.
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in the dream i was not of my own conscious will given a body that i used to perform a task or set of tasks, myself was the witness to the proceedings as i follow the path, here i select my path or wait for it to be revealed, dreams are reality, life without dreams would be pretty desolate wouldn't it?  like living to somebody elses definition of progress while that somebody has no respect for the life he's given, which is pretty common in this world'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen: I am not cornered. You are simply not willing to step outside your preconceptions.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'the standard model is the best approximation to date and if he iunderstands it you can colour me surprised :P'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'We need a fucking science channel.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so somehow there's another consciousness who provides the tools through which i see'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I am simply allowing you to continue to be blind because no amount of coaxing will make you open your eyes.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Chuft: Even that is not a ToE, it's more of a catalogue.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'We are able to make predictions by seeing the holes.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Much like the periodic table helped us find Technecium.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'Morinon:  I've just presented the bases of my arguments all you've agreed with. you're not coming up with anything other than some mathematical concepts that do not map to the physically verified and experimented results.  you can keep saying the mathematical possiblities, they may or may not be true, but the point is, I'm using the established framework of physics while you're using mathematical possibilities.  '
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'it and qcd are a bit more than "just a catalogue" they are a unifcation of 3 of the four fundamental forces'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen: if we do not base our understanding of physics in math, all we are doing is masturbating. You are masturbating. I am chosing to let you do that while I go have sex.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Chuft: I'll give you that. I'm still waiting on a way to add the 4th. That actually predicts something.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'however, until gravity can be modelled my a theory other than gr it's not good enough and basically in the end nobody really knows shit ;)'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'Morinon:  My point is that mathematics not proved within the context of physics is useless or pure conjecture at the best.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'So..what are you presenting that actually HAS been proven?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you call the sun the sun, as though it's a individual entity not composed of human fraction's walking on it's surface through it's light casting shadows in the forest'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen: My point is that these mathematics ARE proved within the context of physics. You are simply chosing to ignore that.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon nods at Iron Duck Chuft.
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how about the earth?  if it is individual, then how come it decided to turn into a black hole instead of silent victory?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'what mathematics are we talking about here?  that matter-energy is infite, continuous, rather than finite and discrete?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'pure vacuum contains energy at the quantum level, rather a lot of it'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'look up the casimir effect for proof'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'That space is continuous, regardless of the quantum nature of energy and matter.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon nods at Iron Duck Chuft.
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'The Casimir effect is predicated on space being infinitely divisable.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'This is a known effect.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'when matter-energy is quantized in space, how does the notion of "continuous space" matter at all?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'I'd love to know, really.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen: I have explained it to you. And again and again you have rejected it.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'the notion of continous space matters for gr manifolds and mwe spacetimes which a re more of an exercise in geometry'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Whether it's just because you're too stupid to work it out, or don't want to, I can't say.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'oh, I wasn't flamin anyone or anything, it was just my first degree heh'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Oh, same here Chuft, I was directing that at Numen.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'no, you haven't explained anything other than giving a pure mathematical notion of infinite gradient between 0 and 1.  Chuft seem to make more sense than you, giving some concrete examples.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Indeed. Concrete examples that, at least wrt GR, support my statement.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'infinite gradients exist in gr, they create singularities, but they are censored by a schawrtzchild radius'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Hell, your original argument was predicated on quantum effects aggregating out to nothing on the large scale.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Now your argument depends upon quantization of time and space.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'uh an event horizon'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how are sun's burned out?  is it a consciencious effort like a king whipping his slave's to go against their will, or like the body of the dream or is it something else?  here's a mind and here's a body being used by it, what was it's cause of death?  was it old age or venison?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Chuft: it's actually infinitely divisable lengths.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Not infinite gravitational gradient.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'He's misusing terms.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Has been for hours.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'eh? it's simply the radius from the mass where the escape velocity exceeds c'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'No, I mean what Numen means by 'infinite gradient''
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'it has no length other than luctuations at the planck length during the emission of hawking radiation as a quantum effect'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'oh I wasn't listening to him, I wa spupping :P'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sometimes i think like maybe we're all within a giant star called space taht we can't see the outside of, but outside is the mind of it's shaper of the surface'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'let me reiterate my original arguments:  1.  quantum effect aggregates to negligible nil at macroscopic level.  2.  chaotic events at quantum level can effect the macro level.  3.  matter-energy state set is finite because matter-energy is discreet.  those were my orignial arguments to reiterate.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'You are denying the importance of quantum effects in 1, then giving them at 2, and depending on them at 3.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Shit or get off the pot.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a world of minds hosted by the mind of mind's, exist by will through will to will'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'pretty hardcore stuff, reality without the matter, sort of like intelligence without the human's'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'computer's and progress based on knowing it all and efficiency, not much room for human errors in this new world of toxic warfare'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe they took my kind of understanding of mind/matter and twisted it to fit into a machine in their fear of the unknown mind who hosts even their robot's components'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'alright then, would you elaborate how large is quantum effects in earth scale or planetery events?  how large is it?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if we but make this appear fictional, maybe it will just go away - wes craven's new nightmare'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen, I am stating that your argument is schizophrenic. Denying quantum effects on the one hand and depending on them on the other.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'Jesus when did I deny the importance of quantum effects?  you have a fine way to read between the lines.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: '1.  quantum effect aggregates to negligible nil at macroscopic level.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Right there.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mindfulness of mind/all intelligent designer is something you want to leave the spirit of life?  maybe if the spirit of life was only dumb and didn't see our trickery so we could get away with this and that and let our kids do the same'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'You say in one breath 'ignoring the effect of QM', and in another 'relying on the effect of QM''
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'too bad we're composed of it huh?  pretty hard to live without life'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and whether or not there's life beyond flesh is sort of in line with whether or not there's a mind beyond your mind which controls the body you use darkly with your will'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'oh there are always nuters, but reality is interesting enough without being drawn into their fairy worlds heh :P'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'you see, you're not getting the difference between average events and exceptional events.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Chuft: Agreed, but it is occasionally fun to argue with the more coherent ones.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'ok, i understand every loop this process of typing take's in it's bodily representation entirety and willfully coagulate the required steps while focusing on the abstraction being represented'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'no it isn't, they don't understand physics'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now we have a new conondrum, where the world becomes the delusion of the mind in question'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen: Average events is 1. Exceptional events is 2. Treating all events as exceptional is 3. All to state that, in the end, no events will be exceptional.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so no, mind/matter'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon nods at Iron Duck Chuft.
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and there is here another mind which is required for yours to be represented, and it's not even the one that prevents this world from fading away'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'BUT SOMEONE IS WRONG ON THE INTERNET'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or is it, maybe one and the same'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'Morinon:  would you say the quantum effects adds up to generate abnormaly quite often at macro level?  do your math.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'well, the internet just ain't what it used to be ;)'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you have your mind, i have mine, our bodies are ignorant vessal's to our will which shines through them, living and takign the steps to keep on living, but not by our own individual minds'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen, I am saying that from your base arguments to your final conclusion, it does not follow.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's a new mind, is it earthly or heavenly?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's similar to the concept of lord of hosts in the bible'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'Morinon:  1, 2 ar eright.  3 isn't.  I've said matter-energy event set is finite.  you haven't offered any valid argument why it isn't.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Now, you can continue to ignore science in favor of your hypothesis. Or you can go do actual science. The choice is yours.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as i understand it'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I have given you valid arguments. You have simply denied their validity because you don't understand them.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Against such willful ignorance, a thousand Solomons cannot prevail. So, instead, they simply pass around it.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'no you haven't.  what are they?  that mathematical infinite precision translates to physical infinite precision?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Yup.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I can come up with some paradoxes given your theory that you won't be able to explain, if you'd like.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'For one simple reason.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '(someone else might be able to, but you won't)'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Ooh, do so Leinei.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon grins evilly.
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'growth hormones proven to produce retardation in human bodies, like elephantitis breasts growing before the age of one in infant formula's, bing spread through the food supply that.. is a neccessary risk because of things like gulf oil spills and hundreds of thousands of dead salmon'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'wow.  alright.  I give up.  infinite precision in mathematics translates to infinite precision in physical reality.  wow.  I'm astounded.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I'm not so good at pointing out paradoxes (but I'm quite good at dealing with them).'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and world trade too.. the land can't sustain itself thus feeds on another instead of admitting that it has to slow down it's evil lifestyle and focus on long term solutions'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen: listen to Leinei, she will likely poke more direct holes in your theory than I.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this land is just fine but it's vampires, they demand more sustenance for their evil lifestyle'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so human retardation made neccessary by human retardation.. amazing'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now we have genetic deficiencies that perverts enjoy made neccessary by negligent treatment of nature by it's earthly administration '
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and nobody pointing the finger at the terrorist of terrorists on earth'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'shoot, please.  one surprise a day might be not enough.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who's fighting a war taht's good to fight on earth?  one that's more than dark version's of god blanking the mind of sad soul's oppressed by generations of cruelty?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'loveless familities born in a devil's kingdom'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'The holes I'd poke wouldn't be valid, but I doubt you could tell me why :P'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Let's say thingA is at some spot.  At a very large distance away from me, thingB and thingC are very close to each other (but not so close that it invalidates your theory of quantized space).  So, angle BAC has some non-zero measure.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who twisted their version of good to fit into their evil actions?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Let's say thingB and thingC start moving towards thingA at the same rate, along the respective lines connecting them to thingA.  At some point, thingB and thingC would have to occupy the same space'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'But not the same space as thingA'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that person's more liable for eternal damnation than the deceived, but if afteer seeing they choose to follow the devil, they will follow him to his graveyard'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And thus, angle BAC would have a zero measure.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'one sec, let me use bathroom an read that up.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Isn't that a paradox?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'And provided space is quantized (IE: minimum possible distance)...'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'back.  let me read that up.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'real communities used to search for those twisters of people's desires into their known good and evil consequences of their action and send them to exile at least'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'paradox meaning that it doesn't seem true but true, right?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'paradox meaning that there's a contradiction'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'that the measure of angle BAC is both zero and non-zero'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they see an evil thing and that they have wanted it and search for wanting in the world, when they see it they take note and sooner or later they develop a business that exploits and holds hostage the partakers of what they know is wrong but who's new theology defends them with their group of faith'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Leinei:  "two non-concentric circles" in non-Euclidean space:  multiple "axis of symmetry to the two circles"'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'when they outnumber the other's they dominate them, and force the survivor's to enjoy being treated negatively as a self-righteous consequence to opposing that original devil's creed'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Spherical or hyperbolic, Zela?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I meant (but didn't say) two non-concentric co-planar circles'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this can be seen by looking around with an open mind'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon nods at Leinei.
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'What I assumed.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'But I wasn't serious in that, anyways.  Was just making fun of Vakieh :P'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Or poking fun at him, not making fun of him'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I think that only works in hyperbolic, if at all, Zela.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'wtf? Go to dinner, spend 45 mins on that, comes back to the SAME DISCUSSION?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Only with an infinite number of parallel lines.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Blame Numen.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'You were expecting otherwise?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I was expecting a tangent, at least - they are still discussing *my* last comment :-P'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'concentric circles at opposite ends of a sphere are co-planar circles'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'That should make you feel special.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Actually, for that one, blame Zela.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how come i don't read me in many philosophy books?  those are logical courses of human nature and greed, aren't they?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'we took a 44 1/2 minute break from it, if it makes you feel any better'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Non-concentric, Zela.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I am surprised to see Druzil is being outcrazied, though :D'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Leinei meant non-concentric co-planar.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'nonconcentric circles at opposite ends of a sphere are co-planar circles'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'And at that point can also be construed as concentric.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't mind being outshined, my thoughts are mostly scary thing's that seem to be real, maybe spiritual or psychological in others'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I also meant on a cartesian plane.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'nonconcentric circles at opposite ends of a sphere are co-planar circles with multiple axes of symmetry'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'government's are moved along their paths, the members falling into unilateral position along the tangents of betrayer'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Zela: In spherical geometry every circle has two centers.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Take, for example, the equator.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Both poles are its center.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i like to understand thing's, even if i can't do nothing about them'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Meanwhile, the top post on Reddit - http://i.imgur.com/SwG3g.jpg'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if i'm in hell i want to know about it's ruler'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'A picture of a poo doing a poo'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'However, this is also valid for every latitudinal circle.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the nature of the flame's and the reasoning behind it's entrapped spirits'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Ergo, if the centers are opposite ends of the sphere, they are still concentric.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'a pair of those centres are concentric, and another pair are nonconcentric'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'This must be some new definite of 'nonconcentric' which means 'adding hyperbolic curvature to a sphere''
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I think he just meant non-coincidental, is all'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Maybe...'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Leinei shrugs helplessly.
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Nah. Spheres are perfectly symmetrical.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'If one of your centers is on one side, the other will be on the exact opposite'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Nods, but you can pick a center of one circle, and a center of the other, and the two centers are non-coincidental'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Not all of them, have you seen some of the boob jobs these trannies get?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '(you can also pick them so that they are coincidental, of course)'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And she*, sorry'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Leinei: in which case, your statement stands, only one axis of symmetry (two if of equal radius)'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'now, let's break down your "paradox".  first of all, the angle cannot be zero.  why the hell did you put that in, I don't know.  two, that even asserts my point at when matter-energy is in place, spacetime itself is quantized.  a packet of matter-energy cannot occupy the same space.  three, if you want some real quantum mechanics analysis on that three particle configuration, do quantum mechanics mathematics on it.  it'll tell you all about it.  we would have to measure the particles with electromagnetic wave, perhaps, and that in turn would disturb the system.  the problem it's set up as it is doesn't tell anything about the angle.  the particles could be anywhere, albeit with stronger probability of presence in a given area at time.  '
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'If B and C occupy the same space (they would have to at some point if space was quantized), why wouldn't the angle BAC have a measure of 0?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Leinei is pointing out a logical absurdity of quantized space.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what does the symbol mean with the sideways 8 split down the middle by a vertical bar and a smaller sideways 8 split down the middle by the same bar, capped off by a sword hilt?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or was it a o instead, that would be an ankh i think'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'that paradox didn't have anything to do with matter-energy finite event set.  when the particles come together, they'll collide and head to different directions.  it's phrased in ways omitting several key physical factors.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I never said they were particles'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'just assume they're massless points'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon nods at Leinei.
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'now, look, again, pure mathematical reasoning do not equation to physical representation.  period.  you want math to yield any power in physics?  verify them in physical experiment please.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'there maybe mass-less points in existence, but is there anything that's physically verifiable?  not yet I belive.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen, if your physical theory cannot stand up under mathematical scrutiny, it is likely your theory (which lacks experimental evidence to begin with) is in error.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'You can't only take the math when it agrees with you and deny it otherwise.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Math is not an option in physics.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'It is a requirement.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'you really need to learn the reason for the scientific method before pursuing your crackpot theories, it's not just the man keepin you down, you know ;)'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon nods at Iron Duck Chuft.
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'Morinon:  I agree about the mathematical scrutiny, but I stand on firm ground that pure mathematical reasoning do not equate to physical reality.  the peril and falacy that has been proven over and over.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Don't Christians do that with the bible? Selectively apply, I mean'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen: your ENTIRE THEORY IS MADE OF MATH ALONE'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'it is not a question of faith, it simply demands logic and consistency'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'If your ENTIRELY MATHEMATICAL theory cannot stand up to MATH, then your theory has FLAWS.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If maths does not apply to a particular event, then either the maths, or the understanding of the event are wrong...'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'Chuft:  would you say when matter-energy is in place, even space is quantized or not?  Please elaborate your viewpoint.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'please make sense'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Why do you expect everyone else to back up their viewpoints with evidence when you do not?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'Morinon:  physically proven math is not pure mathematically reasoning alone.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vakieh just realized Numen is 38 hrs old, and is likely a troll...
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen: BACK UP YOUR THEORY WITH EVIDENCE before you deny the validity of math.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'with a small circle less in radius than an equatorial circle, one centre is obvious, and the other centre on that sphere is a hypothetical outside the schawrtzchild radius  (Buzzwords for Dummies)'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'your question is imprecise and unanswerable'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Elsewise you are either A: and idiot, or B: a troll.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'an*'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'in fact it sounded like a complete load of bollocks but mebbe I need more coffee'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'No, chuft, it's complete bollocks.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'I'm simply asking why every one denies the fact that a possible state of a physical system is finite.  do elaborate that viewpoint here.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I vote do not'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'Chuft:  no, it's a simple question.  then what's your verision of precision and answerability?  '
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And we're asking why you deny that that is isn't whatever you just said.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen, you are asking for physical evidence AGAINST your theory. That's not how it works. You find a way to falsify your theory, else it ain't scientific.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'And, preferably, evidence to support your theory.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'soemething that makes sense to me so I can attempt to understand and thus answer'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'but I'd settle for a good way to falsify your theory.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'so, I take it, that you all are talking about something that you dont know and you can't prove.  is that right?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Chuft: He is basically stating that the sum of all possible hilbert states is finite.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'I know it'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'No, Numen, that's what you're doing.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'I even have a bit of paper from a university to prove that ;)'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'somewhere'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Interesting fact about science.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Nothing can be proven. Only disproven.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: '"nothing can be proven.  only disprove."  <-- I'm very sure you're on crackpot.  '
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'what he's tryin to say, in a very holy grail like way is "it's only a model"'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'No one's allowed to argue for something that they can't prove?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'no'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'to describe real word you should throw away every negative word, like no, non-, un- , in- '
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen: Your theory can be held out a hundred thousand times. The one time it doesn't, it's disproven.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'now I'm sure you're all college undergraduate who have taken a couple of courses saying you know all about physics.  wow.  what the hell have I been doing?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'that's a theory only ;)'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'and more likely a hypothesis'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'postmodernists were deceiving liars ruining the English language when they coined the terms "falsification" and "falsify"'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'and they have to be extraopated somehow from existeing understand or be experimentally verifiable'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon nods at Iron Duck Chuft.
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'alright, so you admit that you've been arguing about what you can't prove?  is that right.  that's what you just said.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen: that's the basis of science.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'something that *I* can't prove, correct'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Nothing can be proven.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'Is any of you out of college?  undergraduate?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'There's lots of things that I can't prove that I believe'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'no wonder.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can't prove you exist beyond words on screen, and everything arriving at them is speculation :('
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'heh, doesn't sound like you are, your grasp of the language is terrible'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I have degrees in physics and astronomy, working on graduate studies, how about you, Numen?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I can name papers I have contributed to. Research I have worked on. Can you?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'mine are in physics and computer science cos I am way greedier than him and I wanted to get paid ;)'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'As for me, I want to get to the stars. Call me crazy.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'I have degrees in physics and electrical engineering, and I can name papers I've applied patents to, my inventions.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'well it became clear there was no danger of that some time ago, sadly'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I have a degree in computer science, and working on a Masters and a Ph.D. in mathematics education.  Cos I'm a better person than him and want to help foster education and help children become the wonder future of the world.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"antitheism" is truer than "theism" -- so discarding "anti-" and other negative words is not smart '
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Or some crap like that'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'mostly cos of all the monkeys like him cutting research to the bone ;)'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon nods at Iron Duck Chuft.
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'IT masters student here - what have you invented?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'yet you should discuss possibilities, not *im*possibilities'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon grins evilly at Vakieh.
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'now, you've just said you can't prove anything, and you said you've seen arguing about what you can't prove.  now, where does that lead me?  wow, I guess I've been doing something real stupid.  you've studied science all for nothing.  the very basis of science is to "prove" within a reasonable realm.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Nope.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I invented my own version of Pong.  Beat that.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No, the basis of Science is the pursuit and application of knowledge'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'The very basis of science is to give a good theory, then test it until it breaks. Then make a better theory.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'if you're doing something juvenile and crappy as IT, step aside.  I'm way beyond your level.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Iron Duck Chuft: 'sounds like druzil multiplaying to me :P'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Juvenile and crappy? Your on a mud, genius...'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'you're*'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and evil scientists come out on top every time, so you have de-evolution theories proving themselves every day in the destruction of the earthly habitat for madagascar'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Indeed. I am certain that your circuits are well used in... What sorts of circuits did you patent?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i have a phd in every single subject!111 Quieten down, inferior minded things!'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Give me a patent number that you contributed to.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and other nation's:0, freshwater's important, so we go underneath it for oil which is more important'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'coca-cola still has no patent for their cola'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: '(chuckle)  no wonder you aren't getting any research position.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'A smart move, Trachx.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'growth hormone 4x growth speed salmon feedlot's GMO titties and made neccessary by theirs theoretically unintelligent scientists'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon peers intently at Numen.
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Coca-cola these days is crap'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'coke > pepsi'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Coca-cola is over 20 years old.  The patent would be expired by now, anyways'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'but i heard it tastes different depending on the country?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'By not patenting it, they never published the formula.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'yet it seems patents are needed by those who cannot sell their goods without patents'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'alright, infinite matter-energy system state.  that's quite a notion I've heard in quite some time.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Someone let me know what kind of brainfart causes a physical scientist to feel superior to an IT dev...when 100% of modern top-level physics is either done on, or reliant on, computing?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Infinite Hilbert space.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Vakieh: because you're merely a tech, you're not doing vaunted things like... circuit design.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'yes, so I heard there is difference between cola in glass and in plastic bottle'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'not really Trachx, thumbdrives are sold very widely, but the original inventor is only getting paid back now via patents'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Trachx: that is post manufacture difference.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Numen:  I'll find two prominent theories that rely on you being wrong for every one that you can find that relies on you being right.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'patenting stuff is very much a question of business strategy'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'so you think infinite Hilbert Space translates to infinite physical system state.  that's something.  real something/'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Coca-cola may or may not variously change the formula with each batch -- and puts those crap batches in cans that leak Aluminium so that the flavor is crap (and causes indigestion on an empty stomach)'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'now i wonder what aluminium tastes like'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Lick it...lick it good :-P'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Coca-cola may or may not be made up of 50% cyanide'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'for the record, I do love IT people.  they keep my research equipments shine, polished, and virus free.  grateful, really.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Leinei stares at the sky.
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i was the first to discover that a can be arrived at through b which i have patented the sight of (c), unfortunately it doesn't seem to be possible to see it any way but mine, and i have people with guns who make sure that you pay me my homage lest i decompile your nation in a death camp, and we don't want to see the holocausts happen again do we?  <insert contra-psychology here>'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen: if you knew what Hilbert space was (which is a mathematical construct largely used to deal with N-body problems), you might have an idea what I actually mean.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're just good guys who realize that the pursuit of knowledge is in sun microsystems, which is a trademark of microsoft or someone like that, who owns the word sun which shines on the human beings patented in singapore'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So you can't work a computer properly, eh? I must feel pretty superior about that, right? Wrong - I feel superior to you because I am not an ass'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'Leinei, list those theories please.  I could use more name calling.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'Debate: You want what Druzil is smoking'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mister burns and his roof on springfield'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Give me one theory that includes quantized time.  I'll give you two for every one you list'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Leinei invalidated Leinei as a pragmatist with "(Debate) Leinei: 'Coca-cola may or may not be made up of 50% cyanide'"'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'My statement wasn't "I'll give you theories while you give us nothing".  That's what's been happening all night, already'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'it is hard to say without no- part, but there is no such thing as nothing'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'see what's scary about my delusional mind is that it puts yours into stark contrast to the illusions running through people's minds that those thing's are history and not the kind of people behind those are in charge of the world today.. i see things like the most probably are, and as that is a bad thing to see most people seem offended by it'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'fine, replace "nothing" with "stuff irrelevant in the macrospace"'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Leinei stares at the sky.
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I think the phrase you're looking for, Leinei, is 'semantically meaningless''
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'again: remove ir- part from irrevelant, just talk about possibilities, relevance and not about *im*, *ir*, *not*, *un*'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the theological components of china, russia, britain, the indian enslavement and germany have mostly left the world now, only in rebel groups of imbeciles as the media projects them are the stupid hate crimes committed, and not on large scale surviving business ventures which used those places as components in their machine of world domination...'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'Colorless green ideas sleep furiously'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i've learned to be a pessimist but you insist that pessimism is schizoophrenia instead of materialized and materializing realitiy'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Druzil, I would give more credence to your worldview if it even approached monadism.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'schizoophrenia...is that what mentally-diseased zebras get?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Druzil - killing meaningless debate wars a like flaccid member kills happyfuntime since 2001 :-P'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if i look brightly on a dying animal, will it be happy that i'm killing it?  maybe if i don't look at it as a real animal it won't look so bad'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that just makes it better that somehow zoo got inserted there and my next question was a metaphor on the mind of the zookeeper'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'a physical system is in Hilbert space in quantum mechanics.  when a measurement is made, the state collapses into observable state according to probility, right?  Does a Hilbert Space expands to infinite when the matter-energy system it is describing is finite?  answer those questions to yourself, and you'll see why your application of the infinite dimension extensibility of Hilbert Space to a physical system is troubling.  mathematics can be infinite, a physical system cannot be.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'No, Vakieh, it died from lack of response.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen, you still lack understanding of 'infinite yet bounded''
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Wait what?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'girls in thailand are happy to be sex slave's i guess, all the businessmen go for a visit to shaol khan's kingdom'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'some people love to be slave'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it was neccessary step in scientifically logical phallacy earth temple of the slandered sun god'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'is Numen even able to describe what a Hilbert Space is  (Buzzwords for Dummies)'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bullshit scientists, i don't trust 99.999% of you, and the remainder i keep you in mind with the words of, lest i be deceived by your false intentions'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I doubt he can, Zela.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'but he'll happily dismiss it.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'Zela:  have you even studied quantum mechanics?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen: do me a favor. Describe what a Hilbert space is.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'What is an eminent Quantum Theorist such as yourself doing slumming with us anyways? Shouldn't you be off inventing time machines and such?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Ooh, ooh, I want one.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they seem to say that they taught the jews in the death camps that they were going to be released soon, it was a good place, even invited in the netherland's to oversee the operations (as behind enemy lines discusses nato's role in serbian freedom fighters type of cambodian pol pot stuff) in the civilized and well treated population before they were sentenced to their doom's'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'Leinei:  quantization of time isn't a theory per se.  because the system involved in measuring time is quantized, time naturally can be only measured in quantized fashion.  yes, even electromagnetic wave (light) is quantized in frequency, hence speed, so by the nature of the quantization of matter-energy, you can only measure time in quantized fashion.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'had all kinds of people deceived, the people in the cage who were deceived were the highest acheivement in the camp i heard, and onec they lifted the veil like this chinese debtor here kind of russian schizophrantic pessimism of doom'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen: Hilbert space. Describe it.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'Hilbert space:  space of any dimension, including infinite.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'NOPE'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Infinite is a dimension now? I thought it was a concept of immeasurability?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'to survive and get ahead in the camps you betrayed your fellow ethnic group by showing them the way to do thing's and rallying them to your job, which if you didn't hold them to you knew what was coming'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'answer me now:  what do you use the many spaces of a Hilbert Space in quantum mechanics?  what do you use the many spaces for?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Just because we can only measure something in quantized amounts (much larger than amounts that even you would probably believe exists) doesn't mean that something exists in quantized amounts.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Hilbert space=phase space=description of all possible states of a system.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'lol i can get a better definition of that from wiki and i don't even study physics!'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon nods at Redryn.
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Redryn iz fisiks genus
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's a pretty kind of sad situation isn't it?  not absolutely theoretically unlike this world, where you have CIA agents infiltrating your corporate ladders for money slander and drug lords investing in wall street at the expense of their impoverished people and your continued subjugation by the people with the gun's who monitor the situation and let each get ahead a little more than the other based upon the current perversion in the mind of the arbitrator'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Yeah, he had at least 3x the median google time, but he was too busy oppressing the plebs that are us'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'In your standard point particle system, hilbert space has 3N dimensions, where N is the number of particles being described.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon nods at Vakieh.
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen: describe the Schrodinger equation.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but watch it escalate, they supposedly have 2/3 of the human genome patented by a nazi corporation split into 4 pieces, with 3/4 of those 2/3 patented owned by that exact group of eugenicists'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'Leinei:  check your logic.  if everything is measured in quantized amount ultimately, everything must be quantized, is it not?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'No.  We can measure in smaller quantized amounts than we could a thousand years ago.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen: once more I ask you to describe the Schrodinger equation.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the other 1/4 who knows, but what will you do when the UN comes around and demands that you not terrorize the intellectual patent privledges of their overseering nazi war criminal?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If you are only able to measure to a variation of 1 metre, is everything 1 metre or more?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Doesn't mean that the stuff we're measuring is quantized differently than it was 1,000 years ago'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'why do some people who never studied physics or quantum mechanics make comments?  like Vakieh and others.  now, that's something.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i seen that on a documentary'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I said I was an IT student - what is my minor, perhaps?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Interestingly enough, while the energy of a photon is quantized based on frequency, there is no lower or upper limit to possible photon energy.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'Leinei:  you just said still things are measured in quantized amounts.  you proved my point yourself.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Like Numen. Who can't describe the Schrodinger equation.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's real issues that people should think about and do something about before it's too late'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'You know, the basic equation that all QM is based on?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nobody wants to be born and die in a nazi death camp do they?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'That I would assume someone who claims to have studed QM to know by heart?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'call it not see, they're so tricky, the serbian cambodian's didn't even see the unfolding's as they deviated from their flight plans'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'How does the precision of our measurements have anything to do with the quantization of the things we're measuring?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'We have no ability whatsoever to distinguish between something that is 1 trillion planck constants long and 1 trillion and 1 planck constants long.  But even you would agree that those two things have different lengths'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'and how does the redshift effect quantization of photons and the planck constant'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's coming i think, it seems to be the real purpose of the G-20 summits is to rub the inmates faces in their shit, as though they were responsible for the evil administrators representing them in that billion dollar building'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'Morinon:  what the fuck.  quantum mechanics quiz now?  Shrodinger equation:  quantum system state equation.  rather than using Shrodinger equation, go for hilbert space--you know why if you know what you're doing.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'flex the muscles of stupidity'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mindless drones with guns fighting for oppression of their fellow human'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen: No, I mean describe the actual equation.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in the name of the sickest people that ever bred on this world'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'With text equivalents for symbols.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'Leinie:  precision can be achieved in quantum level, because matter-energy is quantized.  you can't have infinite granularity in precision in physical world because matter-energy do not have infinite granularity.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Actually...'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'but imaginary unit makes this whole equation just imaginary, right?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Sufficiently low-frequency photons do.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Interesting note.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'We don't have the technology or the ability to achieve that type of precision'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the redshift surely stretches the quantization of emr photons'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Even the precision less than whatever you're claiming is the granulatiry of the physical world'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'alright, people who never studied physics please do not make comments on physics as if you know it.  that's like me claiming I know something in micro biology--I don't.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'also, problem with equations on theories is that you have to use them in specific conditions'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'with money telling people who can put their mind to what it's remarkable how quickly a community can be reduced to ashes, he who invented money survived the holocausts all over the world.. and still went on to preach his doctrine into every attempt at democracy on this earth'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen: I am questioning your claims to knowing physics.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Please, reproduce (with reasonable text) Schrodinger's equation.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lets make solutions to problems.. affecting the devil's perverted hell on earth'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Please prove you know Physics - I call bullshit, as you sound like you are googling everything and applying 10% extra retard'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'buy your way into here and there, nobody knows what money means it's a part of their mind's, he has alot of it.. and works for a nazi war criminal that runs the united nations'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'While you're at it, explain the difference between a series LRC and a parallel LRC'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think your betrayal for money is pretty bad crime, but you can buy your way out of jail'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Which even a 2nd year EE student should at least know how to be perplexed about.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'For example, Mr Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle - high school physics concept, should be a REAL easy one for you - name a pair of directions of certainty?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'Vakieh: LOL.  you don't know anything about physics, and yet you say you can smell bullshit.  yeah, I don't know anything about micro biology or organic chemistry, and I can smell bullshit?  that's right.  I've breathe and lived on physics and electrical engineering, I've done that for living.  are you telling me anyone can smell bullshit in anything that they don't know?  give me a break.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he has money, he's good'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Vakieh: I already named them.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'But maybe he doesn't recall them.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Oh, I gq-ed earlier, may have missed that'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he only sacrificed 8 billion people over the last 700 years to reach his current status in this world'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'gravity waves -- likely do not exist -- except perhaps when Jesus turned water into wine, or was teleportd to a mountain on the moon to view all the kingdoms of the earth'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'google at 30$...50%...'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's a small sacrifice, they're worthless, he.. he is a golden crown wearer who is worthy of worship.. '
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'whoops, added $ - make it a %'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Man, he googles SLOW'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I don't think he even googles.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I think he thinks he can bullshit his way through this.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'teleportation, changing one thing into another, those things are possible, nothing extraordinary in it'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: '85%...mebbe a textbook he bought of Craigslist?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'In the age of google, no less.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'No, he thinks textbooks limit your understanding.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'everyone:  Is matter-energy quantized or not?  why is it so hard to believe that it is quantized?  it's been experimented to death.  maybe you have a different believe, but I'd stick to the experiemented and verified convention that matter-energy is quantized.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen: answer our questions to support the credentials you claim.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Or stfu.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'What's this? A measure of my stupidity? ALL HANDS ON DECK - Back to original bs posit!'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'We are currently questioning your actual understanding of physics.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'did the golden crown's in the queens wardrobe ever mean anything symbolic that makes them valuable?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'And you are dodging the questions, especially since you got one wrong.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe the destroyed independence of one people from her reigns?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'LOL.  Morinon:  I agree with you on that one.  "I think textbooks limit my understanding."  you want real experiments, real cases.  I've graduated textbooks long ago.  I do recomment prefessional journals, however.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i wonder who's people that one represents'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I've graduated textbooks...I've grad...I've...I want what you're smoking, man'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen: I recommend knowledge of basic physics or EE.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'LOL.  what can I say to people who do not believe that matter-energy is not quantized?  damn.  seriously.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'So, give me a good description of the diff between a series and parallel LRC circuit, to back up EE. Give me a good text representation of Schrodinger's equation, to back up QM.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I would have you recomment some prefessional journals to me, however'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Oh, yes. Please, give us some recent work in the journals you've read.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Or even just the names of the journals you're currently subscribed to.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'give me a good explanation whether photon is particle or wave'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Or even name a journal...yeah, what Morinon said :-P'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the redshift changes the quantization of photons'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'No, it doesn't, merely the energy.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Christ - in that time, I could have googled a list of 1000+...why is he so slow?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Vakieh: The good ship bullshit is attempting to tack against the wind.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'due to the effect of redshift, a nonfinite number of photon frequencies are possible'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Sadly, they built the lower decks based on steamer ships, which means the galley is aft, not fore. Whole ship stinks.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Well and truly out of my league, but surely redshift is limited by the speed of the emitting and recieving parties?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'ok, other than Morinon, who else actually studied physics?  or any other hard science?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen: so far, I'm doubting you have, since you are unwilling to provide evidence to 'prove' your claims.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i think the weather is a great topic to change to too!'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I minored in physics - plus I have access to google for testing purposes'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Oh look, Zela has actually some up with more evidence in one line to support the quantization of time than Numen has all night'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon grins evilly at Leinei.
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Wait, my bad - read nonfinite as nonlimited - so the speed of the 2 parties is irrelevant to the potential difference between energy values, disregard'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'Morinon, I'm not going to answer your elementary questions just so I can prove my educational and professional background.  anybody, with little knowledge, or even the Internet, can answer those questions.  Pointless questions.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Morinon, you want Numen to Wikipedia the answers ?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It would be an improvement over getting them wrong, to be honest'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Zela: he's not even bothering.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen: But it takes actual understanding to render Schrodinger's without special characters.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'This is the internet - just like being a girl, knowledge is something to prove or stfu'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Likewise to explain the difference between an LRC series and parallel.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'Vakieh, there is such a thing as a realization or experience that comes after years of work that no 2 minute of googling can possibly even begin to give you an understanding of.  I don't claim myself an expert in many other areas.  I just know what've studied and what I've been doing for my career and living.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen, if you will not even attempt to show basic understanding, you will understand our skepticism at claimed advanced understanding.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Except *we* don't know what you have or haven't studied, and our experiences so far lead us to believe you are a crock of shit'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Especially when your one attempt TO show basic understanding showed that you hadn't even bothered to google it.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Which suggests that not only are you a liar, you're a remarkably incompetent one.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'might I add, it doesn't really hurt to think in your own head, instead of regurgitating what you've read in textbooks while having done no real-world experiments yourself.  '
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'That's...what we're asking you to do.  And you're refusing.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon nods at Leinei.
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Toss a ball and time how long it falls vs a larger, or denser ball? HOORAY, I'VE JUST DONE PHYSICS!'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon enthusiastically high-fives Vakieh!
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'look, if you can't agree that matter-energy is quantized, it's your choice.  I happen to believe it is quantized, so what's the further point in arguing?  I'm not going to list all the experiments and theories in quantum mechanics to point out why matter-energy is quantized.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen, if you can't show basic understanding of physics, we will choose to believe you are so full of shit your eyes must be brown. Or green if you're particularly sick.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I'm not going to list, them, I'll just reference them in a way that makes me look right...except it just further proves you are an idiot'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon nods at Vakieh.
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Enjoy your fake e-penis, Numen.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'take this example.  you're working on a micro-electronic device, ASIC, for example.  the spaces atoms can occupy is finite and quantized.  you think infinite precision can apply within the space of a CPU?  I think not.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'How do you know the spaces atoms can occupy is finite and quantized?  We don't have the technology to distinguish between two positions that we know to be different.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Of course not, you're dealing within limited space and a circuit designed to return a 2^n series of 5 or 0 volt returns.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Limitations in CPU size=/=limitations in measurement.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It is quantifiable enough to work with - doesn't mean there aren't variations which don't effect the subsequent measurable outcomes'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Or limitations to space itself.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'another buzzword bandied about in channel: "quantized" -- from context seems to be "measurable only in discrete jumps of measurement, not continuous"'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'not measureable, existable'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'look, if you deny matter-energy quantization principle, that's your choice.  I haven't done all the experiments myself.  I happen to believe that it is the case.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Zela: It means that a certain thing cannot be further divided.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'We're not denying it, Numen, we never have. We have denied your interpretation of it, which appears to be based on faulty knowledge.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Question and posit alternatives != deny - just means far less likely'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I never said you were wrong.  I said I believed you were wrong, and that you provided absolutely no evidence to support your theory.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Since you are unwilling to provide any support for your claimed vast knowledge, we assume you are of the Star Trek Writers' Guild.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'Morinon:  let me ask this question again:  is the total possible states of a matter-energy system finite or not?  I say it's finite because it is quantized.  you seem to disagree, ok, that's your choice.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Possible, or measurable?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen: You are poorly defining what you mean by a matter-energy system. Please give a good definition.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'If you can't explain it to a child, you don't understand it. I'm not asking that. I'm just asking you to explain it well enough for a physics grad student to understand.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'explain how redshifted photons are quantized, since redshifted photon are able to "exist" at any frequency, and thus are not quantized like the "normal" quantized frequencies'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'a matter-energy system:  any set of matter-energy state, barring the infinite number of matters and amount of energies because we assume that there's only a finite matter-energy in the Universe.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen: that is a meaningless definition.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Zela:  That's just a hypothesis'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I mean give me something I can plug. Give me something I can point to and say 'this is a matter-energy state' and 'this is not a matter-energy state''
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Matter/energy = matter/energy...Yeah, we get that :-P'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '(and yet, a better one than Numen has provided)'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Zela: the quantization of a photon means that, for any given frequency, there is a single energy to a single photon of that frequency.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'But one that has been refuted in recent years, at least by some people'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Redshifting alters frequency, thus altering energy.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Again, red shifting is outside my expertise, but as I understood it it was relative to the observer - as in if two objects are moving toward each other, a photon from A will appear with a different redshift to B than if B and A were moving in the same direction?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon nods at Vakieh.
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Ever heard of the Doppler effect, Vakieh, when it deals with sound?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Red shifting of light is due to SR.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'But it's analogous to the doppler effect.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'traveling to each other: "blueshift",  from each other: "redshift"'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon nods at Zela.
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Yeah, done plenty with Doppler - I am thinking that if it is relative to the observer, it would therefore *not* be an energy change of the photon?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'But rather a difference in how that identical energy is observed?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Vakieh: it's an energy change, interestingly enough.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'just because you can't understand it, doesn't make it useless.  and if you must have something to plug and chug, I assure you, you're an amateur.  you need to think higher than that.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Numen, you have defined the thing as itself, giving no outside definition to which someone else can even look at it.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Numen, this discussion moved past you a long time ago - we are discussing relative energies in photons now, go troll Yahoo'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Like the Doppler effect causes a pitch change.  The actual pitch is different, depending on the relative velocity of the observer, but the pitch *change* happens regardless'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'You are currently more acting like a modern artist than anyone in any way associated with science. Do yourself a favor and quit with what dignity you still have left.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'alright this is done.  no more with posers or who denies the established physics convention.  who knows, maybe that's the real genius.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Ok, so even though the energy/pitch is different depending on the observer's state, the wave itself experiences energy change?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon pats Numen on his head.
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'You just described yourself.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Anywho, they're showing actual cartoons on the cartoon network now, which means it's time for bed.  Gotta get up for my inferior math ed grad classes soon.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Now go away, adults are talking.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Actually, adults are heading to bed, but still.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'sure Morinon.  live in your physics fantasy.  it's quite lovely.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Cartoons on cartoon channels will soon go the way of music on MTV :-P'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Nods, adult swim is, what...9 hours long now?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I think 'debate -h' might be a great post on r/AskScience - if I can unlazy, seeing as it's after 9pm :-)'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'If you post it, Vakieh, send me the link.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'For a while there, 'debate -h numen' was pretty much identical to 'debate -h ?''
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Also, send it to Numen.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'He's like Druzil that way :-) will do, Morinon - though if Numen comes back for a retroll I will be surprised'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I'd get ripped apart by real physicists if you did that, I'm sure :P'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Leinei: not horribly so.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Not much more than I would, anyways,.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Hmm. I should sub to r/AskScience'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It's frontpage now, so more trolls, but more exposure also'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's embarassing to be mocked by one's enemies while they fit the subject matter you discussed with their comrades :(, i know.. i've been the topic of alot of jokes :), but they keep on validating their sense of humour that i discuss and poke fun at to see how they react.. and it's embarrasing'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Oh, joy! Mail.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'anyway, when portable teleporters will be available? (<2020?)'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Probably after time machines will be.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'is seems time machines never will be constructed'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'We need to get non-portable teleporters for multiple particle systems up and running first.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Trachx: It's almost like someone prevents time machines from being constructed... with some sort of time machine.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and where will you get the energy to fuel your science?  coal and steam, nuclear fission, oil and gas?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'solar power atom smashers?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Sounds good to me, Druzil.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Speaking of which, wasn't that cold fusion thing supposed to be commercially available sometime by the end of October?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so you're like saying, i want to play a game and destroy some more ecosystem while i fuel my physics thesis at the cost of the biologist'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'The one in Italy? Yeah.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'It's the end of October, isn't it? :P'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'but, if time machine exists (somewhere in future), so are they able to travel to our times (and influence past) or not?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'We're still waiting.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'temporal paradoxes reduce the possibility of time-machines'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Only if you're a Bayesian statistician :P'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Or non-Bayesian.  I never remember which is which'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Actually, the only thing that can actually happen that one can really call a temporal paradox is a vacuum diagram.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'temportal paradoxes may not exist, if "jumping" into past creates pararell universe'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'stupid ass warfare that destroys all the competitors ability to survive biologically, as they base their faith in the nonexistance of god on the dust they become :('
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and they call it scientific inquisition warlock me no9t, and other things like economical solutions to multivariable calculus algorithm writers'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'but those that jump into a parallel universe are going to cause gravity waves'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Hah. I just got a comment elsewhere claiming that cosmologists are unbiased.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I know too many.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'not necessarily, maybe that jump causes them to wait till their time comes'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Holy Poptarts, Batman - I just read the top of that discussion, realised Numen was advocation total knowledge = flawless predictions...'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'advocating*'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Vakieh: I know, and I called him on it.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'He then backtracked and said he had never claimed that.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Which was proven as false as a theory can be before I was born :-P'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon nods at Vakieh.
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Before that I was just tilting at Druzil's windmill.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'and travelling to a parallel universe is not actual time-traveling'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Also, it is 1500 lines - anyone have a pure debate log? i.e. without the gossip/q&a fluff?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'if time is like loop, then you can always travel to the future '
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'need to know more information, what is death?  this is the last question the scientist discovers the answer to.. and he's not sure if he'll remember it or not but thinks maybe the universes material significance will store his memory as a cubicle in a gigantuan microscope visible to only the naked bang theory divided by the continual dessication of it's componential parts extinguished by the vacuum of unbeing which they consider to be not god :(, but machines might develop consciousness some day and therefore robot's are the future of the mortal equation, and not enjoying water before it evaporates into their optimus prime'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'and in consequence to the past'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Futurama did it already Trachx :-)'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'life's too easy, we need to make it harder with all of the machines we replaced actual work with'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'yes, i've seen that futurama'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Vakieh: Nope. If you have access to grep, you can try to shorten it.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'but still, if you were able to hibernate, then you could "travel" to the future'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lets make some war's and try to master virus's and how to target specific genetic code's within the organism's vital organ's for crimes that nobody knows aren't the work of god'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'so uni-directional "time-machine" exists'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so is it a person who's making people destroy themselves or is it a spirit'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'also, things are just representation of energy state'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'so if we could influence that representation, then we could cause teleprotation or transformation of such thing'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'OH NOES, THE BAD PHYSICS MEME GOT TRACHX'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'well, we can turn lead into gold, right?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Sure. Got a supernova handy?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'not in large quantities if at all'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'so it is possible just to get bunch of atoms and construct something new'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'yes, amount of energy required makes it impossible for home use'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Lead to gold is an endothermic reaction, to use chem terms.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'you just need to compose some protons, neutrons, electrons and you can construct anything'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Only can go past iron in a supernova.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Or in very small amounts with a particle accelerator.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'yes, very small amounts, nowadays'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'money's the ultimate egomaniac's delirium come true, people can't picture life without their false idol that it's time trickles through, and it's value is just a gun away, but the person with the gun is working for the same idol, that the person with the money with no respect for the filtered water contents has no respect for and has him under the supervision of another worshipper of his delirium, maybe more in the know than the other'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'but theoretically it is possible to create anything, right ?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Mind you, with the LHC, if the HB particle fails to appear, we can try for the superheavy stable particles.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Theoretically all the particles in my body can jump one meter to the left.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most of your philosopher's thought money was pretty good, without it their wisdom would be common and their places not obscured by the obvious made relatively impossible'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Okay, really going to bed nao.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the obvious is ruled and taught to the oblivious new births, as charlamagne taught the germans christ'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'so far we almost "proved" than you create anything and teleport it'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'now, the crucial question: when I will have my portable teleporter?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fuzzy Madcatz: 'After you go into the future with your portable time machine and get one.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'ok, when in futer? in 20 years? 50? 100?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Trachx: I expect us to have a dyson sphere first.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's written in some holy texts to take the gods of the people and confound them, use them against the conquered, they have p rophets of what they call god backing up this negligent usage of his slandered will by the devil's own priest'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'it is very hipothetic, Dyson's Sphere won't be constructed before teleporters'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's a strong basis to base your crimes on fist shaker'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'using people's on faith against them'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'We have the technology now to build a dyson sphere. Just not the infrastructure.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'it is enough if we can move closer towards the sun'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'That would be disrecommended.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah believe your lies, my god has told me to deceive you through them.. ultimate justification!  and moses allowed the rich man to escape his broken stone commandments out of the language of the slaves with but a few dollar's usury to the judge of ten's, petty crimes on the worthless'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and god is a god of justice in another place, that justice is for sale as god worships money in another, leviticus?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'yes, but energy spent on build such sphere makes it just not worth to do so'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'beat your slaves and aul their ears to the doorframe's, that means to nail their ears to the door if they come back.. treat them extra raunchy and instead of paying constant usury just install your own judge'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'there is enough space between atoms just to go through walls and not touch human and wall's atoms while going through'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'for a man is his money, and his money is the holy spirit made dead tree matter and molten images abhorrent to the lord of caesar the devil'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'what prevents us from going through walls? kind of force field created by atoms of one object?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's written the vatican's own largest land ownership on earth next to britain religious version's to allow rich men to buy their way out of punishment, the language of the slaves who moses petitioned for before pharoah who was then an enslaver developing numerous methods of holy enslavery and debauchery that the devil's own free will denial to look towards the unknown god of the 2/3 angels victorious didn't see the devil as'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle were scifi authors of the "tales of known space" series -- Dyson spheres are scifi'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but more than 2/3 of people is decided by the value of money pummeling the mortar's down on their enslaved and disarmed soul's, who's enemies are armed by the new age caesar, that is the same breed of human that invented world war 1 and 2'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nothing's changed for the better, people thinking evil is not evil but a perception of something being evil is the new teaching, and evil can be really good if enough people are under that same delusion'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it really wasn't very good though was it?  how many people per grave?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '7 billion haloween surprise on the news'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not much being done in regard to this problem using the collective understanding of individual human components of the great puzzle that money shields from discovery'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if god is an honest god, how come all the politicians that claim to be his servant's and members of his clergy inherited kingship's and fortune's etc, lie so much and work against their peoples best interest, sacrificing them like scapegoat's and saying they were stupid and i was smart while your money is what their teachers worked for?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so you took away the job of earthly wisdom gleaning from experience in other than man's deceptive arts, and filtered their understanding through the deceivers while installing your curriculum's or neccessary unproven and unneccessary knowledge that is unapplicable to 98% of their lives, but you decided is better than their parents who might have died in warfare or at work in your brothel, maybe under the disguise of searching for a wisdom or continuity of a game of deception that keeps you rich'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and then you called them a bunch of retards because instead of your ancestors, theirs were enslaved in cages while you taught the way things in the future will be repeated to the beaten slaves'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if your ancestors were replaced with their ancestors, how would you, and would you even be able to look at this problem?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mindful hypocrites lack equal footing in judgement, that's one reason buddha became a poor man'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Ok, so I gave up on a channel copy - in any case, the question is up on askScience if any on here would like to weigh in - http://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/lv1st/askscience_please_settle_this_serious_business/'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'still, is not matter just another form of energy? then talking about matter and energy is a kind of tautology'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'The Manchurian Candidate  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RAUm6l_t6k seems like an interesting show about social engineering and mind control during warfare, looks like a cold war movie'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what to do in a brainwashed world, the topic of the blue ribbon's in the movie i just watched'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '6 Jul 2008 b Cold war thinking: Communists can control minds. And we must catch up. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/06/weekinreview/06weiner.html'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Remembering Brainwashing - Cold War Thinking, Today - NYTimes ... You +1'd this publicly. Undo 6 Jul 2008 b He warned that brainwashing would make Americans bsubjects of a 'new world order' for the benefit of a mad little knot of despots in the ...'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not much not mentioned the new world order in the last decade is there?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'seems like this new york times guy knows some stuff about soviet cold war brainwashing techniques and their current usage in the world'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i imagine most populations are brainwashed somewhat, here's one thing, there's another god to die for, there's a traitor, over there?  who knows what's behind that door'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you don't think to the status quo you're labelled by their subliminals'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe that's it huh'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'deviate from these thought patterns and you are a virus on the perfect structure of my imperfect brainwash system'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who doesn't attack the mentally ill or at least feel good that they aren't as them, and see a sane person being called ill by the mass of suicide bombers surrounding them?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'are the people devoted to suicidal devotion at the beyonder's terms for the in power mortal will over the tyrant system's of earth rulership any indication of health?  to point out that they're not is suicidal, though i'm not a follower like your type is'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you're not like them you're not normal and therefore in mortal danger...'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you notice their way of thoughtlessness and free will denial or death is spreading then you are a irritant to the perfect way of things, the brainwashed way of new world order..'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the perfect way of things that was imperfect because it couldn't control everybody without their awareness , which was what made them think themselves infallible'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'show that you can think without the assistance of a seeder who plants your thoughts about a subject and then you have yourself some real genious'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'my opinion isn't bought or sold by anybody on this world, which is more than alot of you can say'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ruthless Ross: 'Goodness gracious, that argument that started last night continued till 9:30 in the morning? You people are dedicated.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'did you hear how Occupy is trying to compare themselves to George Washington and the Colonials at Valley Forge?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'alfalfa and bee's - america legalized the unrestricted growth and use of monsanto's GMO alfalfa in january -> bee's feed alot on alfalfa which is fed to alot of cattle which when covered in special roundup ready bee's honey might fuck around with the other environmental variables bee's feed on'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bee's like canola too though, so maybe it's not all bad'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Alfalfa Weevil The key to economical management of the alfalfa weevil is combining crop management practices, biological control and the use of insecticides only when .  http://www.ext.colostate.edu/pubs/insect/05500.html so is there much of a balance or ignorant use of force being used by this decision, like the 1970 corn crop which had unforseen consequences, like growth hormone's -> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20013311-10391704.html Are Chinese babies growing breasts from drinking a certain brand of milk powder?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'isn't it amazing that the government will require these thing's and people behind this milk powder be incharge of the government's enforcement of their view on these things'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's pretty ultimate stuff there, can't run from the water you drink, the air you breathe or the food you consume - but because of threats of overpopulation in the european asian african side of the world it's enforced on this side'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all of those people who enforce things like this obvious ignorance into society are working for their governments over there and not in your best interest'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're soviet spies with biological warfare weapons at their disposal and billions of clueless people to send off of various holy ignorances'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'their perverted primate law's and birthing custom's of ignorant females dictate your moral grounds which are sacrificed for their perverted idea's of how life should be lived'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the red light district of amsterdam is becoming the majority of america if you look at how they teach people to think through their netherland guided corporate media'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's the bigger problem then, feeding a continent of perverted moron's who can't feed themselves, or sacrificing what morals your ancestor's thought they fought for in world war 2 instead of going postal on their commanding officers and keeping their dignity?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if those people wanted to change they would change, with our assistance says the installed politician'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they say hussein was iran's sworn enemy and having him removed opened the door for infiltration by them and the chinese and other foreign people who america considered their enemy'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'listen here says the satellite broadcast to the television set in the imbred overpopulated waterless region of earth that has hardly a scrap of food to forage imported from america, because they are reliant on others to feed them and their governments administrated breeding habits -> the problem is like this <total death> or <feed yourself>, our mind is at risk by your ignorant population of zealot's for stupidity and your population is at risk for not being able to eat or drink because you pop babies out like lucifer on shrooms'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'therefore 2 things have to happen, we have to stop feeding you at our own expense of having a mind, and you have to learn how to have a mind and a family instead of a fuck factory'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then you set up some tripwire's over the ocean that detonate nuclear weapons for any trespassing nation that wasn't along a allowed course and immolate the pushy one's who think they're tough'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe a new berlin wall that allows some water through and aquatic biologically scanned lifeforms in migratory patterns, separating the two side's with a impenetrable wall of death'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'international effort to hamper trespasser's'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'quick question, who are u debating with?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'isnt there 2 people needed at minimum for a debate?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'international traitors'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'hello limunious, you must be new here'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'We need a Blahblahblah channel i think! lol'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's called gossip'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nice wall across the atlantic, the pacific and total communications blackout between members of the side's, which constantly try to manipulate one another and exploit the citizens of the babylon whore'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and it has alternatives like txt and barter'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'heh'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'is he like a script bot or something?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'united that half of the world nations, and united this half of the world nations'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'australians not exempt from being that half of the world'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'right through the north and south poles, cutting russian flag in half'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the new saturn, imposed by international ignorance and demonic cultures of hedonists'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'china was so great you fled it and made a little china in the place you fled to, or were you taken there by force?  '
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so you hate your government back home that removes the abilities you have here and decide to spread their doctrine of enslavery here instead of being exodus'd back to where you came'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'only in america...a muslim family is suing the catholic university their  child attends because there are crosses on display all over campus.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Too bad God loves stupid people.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the world shows implications of how bad hell could be by how bad the believers in the faith make this world for them to live through, and extrapolate eternity through their slander of the now earthly reality in a ritual not unlike that of sacrificing human's to dead pharoah's in egypt to restore their slave collections in the after life and mindless devotion to memorize a message to pass onto those leaders through the death ritual cult -- this is a problem that's never directly acknowledged by the churches of the heads of religions on earth, except maybe in things like the dalai lama talking about his oppressed people in china and things like that'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so the pope makes a miraculous declaration that jews not to blame for jesus death.. and the gospel states that the high priest of the jews prophecized that jesus should die before he died, and men in the crowd were paid to chant to free the killer barabas and crucify the innocent jesus, which the crowd surrounding them picked up, monkey see monkey do'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so that's not even relevant, it doesn't set anything straight in this world, it declares one way or another on a extremist question, which is debateable'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how many people have met jesus beyond their fantasy's which weren't lucifer pretending to be an angel of light, as is stated in the biblical abilities of him?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and what freedom from death does it offer, beyond what other religions already offered?  confusion isn't it?  is this mortal priest standing on the throne of god telling me my judgement, or is he repeating what he was told that judgement will be IF i do this or IF i do that, which the idol will set me free from the consequences of if i just try really hard to be a good boy?  and that idol's teaching is scorned by the world which claims allegiance to his faith where that is the majority faith, the only thing being perfected in the world today is machine's and mindlessness, which are one and the same after the administrator loses sight of what the programmer had in mind - at the cost of people's freedom, their community security, their ability to defend themselves from outside influence by demonic vulture's, their obligation to be born under a victim or enslaver nation and take the blame even if by that societies standards they are not in charge of it's action's'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and all of this is looked away from towards delusions of an afterlife while this one becomes in hospitable to the future of people, which now grow up bastards in tyranical households where love isn't allowed'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'higher calling in life is to deny human nature and follow it's destruction, where the money bait's - and to get to point b money is required'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think the devil is very much in control of the world and human's pretend to be in charge of the abilities he gives them to commandeer'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as it's written in the bible, they have set their faces towards me and walked the other way, of the children of israel'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they go against god's will while trying to defend themselves in court under a false guide to god's will'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the same is true in probably every faith that think's it's doing a deity's will, what it ultimately represents is ignored and the ignorant version is practiced'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'even the priest has to acknowledge his imperfection in order to not make others err by his misinterpretation'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but look how proud they are to declare that wrong is right given one commandment, which is written on paper by human hand's, and not fearing their own repetition of other's inequity'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ruthless Ross: 'So Druzil really is a bot? If so, I must say I'm quite relieved.'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and you, are you a image wireless communication's technician?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe working for the CIA or other entity'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you metronome according to your clock and bank account's trust in your funding from other's support, i look at what that lead's to and criticize it, like an oilspill of 1000 litres and another of 500 barrels isn't criticized much by the government making money from death, which is composed of people like you pretending that what they do doesn't have unforseen consequences to their childrens mortality'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '15 years ago i could head down to crooked lake and fish and eat them, they were clean.. now, the fish have parasites crowling in their necks'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's pretty gross, and a sign of things to come from this version of life which is all you think won't affect you in the future'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what does a guy in australia care or have to say about the soilwork in canada?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why should he be paid for his administrative assistance in an industry which doesn't produce but turns into a arid desert the canadian's land?'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'because he's a tyranical devil not unlike hitler or stalin'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as is the case in every nation on the world that i can think of and trace back to, the interest of the few who have a safe haven from the insults to life that they burdened their citizen's with'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'pretending that they own the land others are born in, like demons possessing a soul bartering with god over who satan is that they can inhabit their masters property'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dacheeba: 'He's not a bot, he's Andrew Ryan from Bioshock. :-P'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wyverex: 'I DISAGREE'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wyverex: 'WYVEREX WINS'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wyverex: 'DEBATE OFF'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'YOUR MOM AGREED, AT LEAST SHE KEPT SAYING YES YES YES'
T3/r5/2011-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortbus Stutz: 'CHUCK NORRIS.'
T3/r5/2011-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i read on aljazeera that some guy offers 1 mil bucks for any caputured israeli soldier, that's a shitload of money isn't it?  what will the captors spend it on?'
T3/r5/2011-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'something to do with palestinians and prisoner swaps i guess, he's from arabia though'
T3/r5/2011-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a million bucks just like that, probably not an easy job, but i bet alot of the money comes from the oil industry and stuff'
T3/r5/2011-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sounds like trouble brewing anyways.. like some people say they're only royalty as long as they don't go against the wishes of the royalty of royalties'
T3/r5/2011-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'glad i'm not down there, unless down there's a big web of scheme's that's made to frighten everybody away from a peaceful place'
T3/r5/2011-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '250,000 dollars they offered the headhunter's for albino negro's in witchcraft in africa'
T3/r5/2011-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i guess they're either euthanizing or see some results for their craft'
T3/r5/2011-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dek: 'Woo, Go Oakland :D'
T3/r5/2011-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Does anybody know what, specifically, Herman Cain has been accused of doing?  "Sexual Harassment" is kind of vague.'
T3/r5/2011-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it is?'
T3/r5/2011-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he was formally accused in 1999, he paid the woman 45k at that time'
T3/r5/2011-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Right.  I know about that.  But "formally accused" of WHAT?  Near as I can tell, nobody knows (or, more to the point, nobody who knows is talking.'
T3/r5/2011-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Parallel: 'there are confidentiality and no disclosure agreements '
T3/r5/2011-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'There usually are.  Hence the problem.'
T3/r5/2011-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'a series of inappropriate behaviors and unwanted advances over a 2 month period'
T3/r5/2011-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: '"Inappropriate behaviors" can mean any number of things.'
T3/r5/2011-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which of those things it means isn't important for you to know'
T3/r5/2011-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Parallel: 'Right. But that is about as specific as anyone knows right now.'
T3/r5/2011-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Rape, for example, is an inappropriate behavior.  Then again, so is posting hard porn on the company bulliten board.'
T3/r5/2011-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'rape is not sexual harassment'
T3/r5/2011-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Oh, the hell it isn't.'
T3/r5/2011-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Parallel: 'its sexual assault'
T3/r5/2011-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'legally, it isn't'
T3/r5/2011-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if you're going to try to think about degrees of badness and rationalize voting for him, then you need to understand the scope of the legal term sexual harassment'
T3/r5/2011-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Yes it is.  "Rape" is a crime.  "Sexual harassment" is a tort.  If an employer rapes an employee, it is "Sexual Harassment" in addition to being "Rape" "Battery" and a whole bunch of other stuff.'
T3/r5/2011-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and rape certainly is not sexual harassment'
T3/r5/2011-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he did not have sex with the woman, consensual or not'
T3/r5/2011-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there, now you have inside information on the case'
T3/r5/2011-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'As for voting for him, I seriously doubt this will have any effect on my voting decision.'
T3/r5/2011-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Parallel: 'I don't need to know about his misconduct to not vote for him. He was a chairman for the Fed. We definitely don't need any of THOSE leeches in office...>.>'
T3/r5/2011-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Cain pretty much lost any hope of my vote as soon as he anounced his "9-9-9" plan.'
T3/r5/2011-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'so...how long before the phrase "beat you like a texas judge's daughter" becomes popular?'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think the town white horse was meant as a symbolic bible revelation metaphor, and he who sits upon it is called truth.. australian invaders named a town after themselves in world war 1 in alberta'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yellow knife copper sword indian slaves of the great slave lake, stab you in the back'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '2 groups of people i'd never trust is australians and italians'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not sure if there's any deviants among them, but they all seem to be an evil lot'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'greeks too'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i met some ok gypsies'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'greeks are responsible for much of our money woes today.'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i know, their administrator's are, and their con men who are like maybe the con men of the italians and australians who run the media through the netherlands, another place i don't trust'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but that doesn't speak for them all, there's always at least one person who want's nothing to do with what those other's are doing among a population'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'their government's i'd never do business with if i was a politician, and i wouldn't accept unproven immigrants'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'not just the administrators.  Greeks actually get seriously violent if you start taking away their entitlements.'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'france government is another, britain is king of deception'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the administrators actually wanted to fix the current crisis, but the regular-joe greeks wouldn't let them.'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if by fix you mean fuck up the lives of all the worthless peasants, then they have a goood reason to resist'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the poorest nation in europe has the highest amount of whores in the red light district of amsterdam'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe that was part of their solution, whoring their daughters to the UN'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'there are more irish whores in Amsterdam than Dutch?'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there wouldn't be any there if hitler won ww2 according to stalins berlin wall and siberian meat shop'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and hugh heffner that symbol of larry flyntian springer glory through the stern howardness of the elite new yorkians would probably not be so cocky either, adopted KGB be a whore and beguile the penis ritual'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do it for military services'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you want bread?  we make the price and send your sons to kill themselves for more of your situation, which is suckin me off'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'stalin killed more people who history calls jews of hitler's atrocity than germany did'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's written there for you to look up in your allied microscope, do some business through iran and syria and see if israel isn't installed by him'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Parallel: '-15'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the truth is offensive, jesus, lets pretend it doesn't exist because the theory holds true'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think israel is russia, who canada is devoted to'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '.. making war's all over the place, but who's the head war maker in the world?'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'russia so hostile, but israel's really really nice, let them run all the casino's in vegas with special forces'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'ivan the terrible was the first russian christ, is it any surprise he can be called the new type of jew?'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'black people complain more about slavery in america than the people who america was originally inhabited by'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'from the kongo they came, a shipment of foreign conquered lands'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as a distraction to remove the native's mind and a tool by roosevelt in a deal in the mississipi 50's'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'empathize with the sujugated minority'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how come black people betray black people for money? they're subjugated.. work together against the evil white man shipped from occupied germany where he was expelled from'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do white people have a homeland or is that all raped in the ass by the UN?'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'because they are uneducated and mentally undeveloped?'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i didn't learn much from school either, they're not alone there'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i learned that my government protects pedophiles and makes them teachers though'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'or because their brains never developed like white and asian people's since there was no written language in africa and it was better for mating to be stronger with a spear than smart with a book?'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he's now retired from teaching after snagging his daughter's schoolmate for a fuckathon and becoming mayor electorate politician of humboldt'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'schoolgirl fuckathons are fun'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe he served with dahmer in the concentration camp in germany that the allied forces erected after the evil ashkenazi's were destroyed'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who know's, hubbard sure looks like a scientologist definition of nazi though'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i try not to think about israel or jews, sorry.  too many people with their own political agenda on both sides, i wish we could let them fight it out like rwandans'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'jews claim to be gods chosen people, the gospel informs the reader that they aren't jews'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'what makes you think we're not?'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'Yea, I find many jews are actually racist with that belief of being a chosen people'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'because what i call god doesn't care what breed of human you are'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's like any of the players on the sidelines are all that interested in them actually reaching a peaceful solution...'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the idea that one is a member of god's chosen people by virtue of genes passed along from the mother is not much different than hitler's idea of the supreme race'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'or the idea that colored humans are inferior'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'very true kojiro - and in teh books of chronicles and king's you can see hitler's atrocities committed by the king of the jew's advised by the prophet of god'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'kill every man woman and child in the city... and they make themselves look like they're being oppressed, the authors, while justifying their genocide that way'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'so yes, i find many jewish people hold belives that make them flat out racists.  But of course, nobody in america can call them out on it because you get branded "anti-semitic"'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and besieging cities 'for god' and makign them eat their children'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they are very definition of what they claim happened to them'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'imagine the countless holocausts, assuming it didn't happen after hitler was removed, that occurred before the 'only holocaust' spoken today'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the NATO UN ignoring cambodian pacts and pleas'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Trachx: 'well, but racism is quite natural thing - I mean it is all about domination of your kind and genes'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'evil people , the kind who people think are their salvation are vomit on the cross'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'yes genocide happens all over the place, the jewish holocaust was special because it happened in a western country'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm with pazuzu on that on'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'but in all seriousness, where is the intellectually honesty in pretending the jewish belief of being a chosen people isn't racist?'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's mind control backed by fear'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's the self-deception that's widely acceptable'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Parallel: 'they have crooked leaders, just like every other nation on the planet. A majority of israelis supported palestines statehood bid.'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's no jewish human slave market out there, necro the new york 'jew' sings in his rap about ukrainian slave's disappearing in islamic serbia though'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'leading me to believe jews are behind human trafficking in the world too'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bosnia*'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'they are just men, no different than any others.  It's just their belief system of being a chosen race is racist and against american (my) ideals of equality'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the only jew i can say who had relatives in israel that i liked at all was a optometrist in my town, but we didn't know him well'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i liked the persian surgeon too, who was from the middle east married to a princess'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'currently practices in b.c'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and some chinese and korean people who ran stores, they shown signs of humanity instead of their government's brutality'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'do you live in toronto or something'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how they got the money to afford to run stores where all of the native's of the land, 98% of them, can't is a mafia connection mysterious, but at least they showed some signs of human emotion'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'he's probably not even Canadian'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'druzil:  it's because they have an ethod of thrfit in a land where the "natives" take on credit card debt to buy gucci purses'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'ethos'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'so they immigrate, work hard, and improve their lot'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why bother emmigrating if where you want to leave is a shithead, and then work for them where you leave to?'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'half of all moneyed chinese wish to emigrate.'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'stupid ass CIA like stuff, ruining things for the real people'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I'm all for the US auctioning citizenships'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'our economy is slow because we overbuilt a decade of housing supply, and the easiest way to fill it up is bring in rich, educated immigrants who would love to be here'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'inexplicably, we make it hard for these people to come here?'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'nah, it'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the economy is shit because you have the resources to produce everything you buy and sell to other nation's for slave money on your own land, and you choose to betray your people in favour of your higher organization that fucks with everybody's government and people'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's not just a decade.'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'foreign currency is bullshit, make your own money and employ your own people and nobody will lack nothing'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'whether it's 5 or 15 years, the solution is simple:  increase hosehold formation to soak it up.  It'll happen either through time (how it's happening now), or immigration (not happening)'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we just did a lot more housing than we did commercial, and now we're faced with a huge construction balloon that's forcing businesses to worry about maintenance on stuff that hasn't been maintained.'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'throw in the complications of business concerns like location and you restrict the pool even further.'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i doubt very highly that modes of transportation, demographic work system's localization and reduction of neccessity for travel, commonly acceptable practices versus dictatorships on crime and justice, and resources as neccessary instead of as shipped abroad are the focal points of your govenrment'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the USA is great because of a mindset -- foreigners from horrid countries are contaminated with a horrid mindset -- if others let those contaminated foreigners in, the USA mindset may be damaged into similaryly horrid country (debate that logic)'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's alot of thing's that have to change for this world to sustain your nation's without genocide and eventual extinction'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nobody oversees those problems, because the people placed to oversee the public concerns are paid to not'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'where did the horrid selfish mindset of the republicans come from -- which emmigrants are to blame'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'biggest oil spill in the world second to one in saudi arabia they say'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not a cause for ceasefire of the oil industry'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'can't walk to work?  can't limit the amount of thing's requiring fuel to transport?'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '1 CN engine can travel over 100 miles on 1 litre of fuel'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people in charge are fucking around to make more money and fuck around some more, and somebody in the darkness is organizing it so everybody dies'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the amerindians.  See, Americans wanted to take all their stuff and the redmen were all "No, it's mine, can't have it!".  We did some horrible shit and took it anyways and they became Americans.  From there, they marshalled their strength and soon managed to take back what was theirs (see: casinos).'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ruthless Ross: 'e-h'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ruthless Ross: 'oops'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'as an American, we've a god-given right to take your shit.  Learn how to fight, or learn how to deal.  Either way, resistance is futile.'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they let people from australia, who owns the netherlands media with other foreigners to play through the canadian airwaves, manage canadian potash, in light of they don't have any consequences for the dead ecosystem they cause across the ocean to the north'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who needs potash that worthless stuff that sits above oil?  it's only located where there's foliage'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'rape farm the ground to death, sustain foreign trade'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'God does not exist, and your country is caled USA not America.'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'until you run out of potash and are in a desert'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'except those that own Amerindian casinos are 1/16 original aborigine -- so 15/16 of the owner are not Amerindian'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what kidn of non-traitor in government would let that happen?'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why should i respect the law of that treasonous system?'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'because you get someone else's shit.'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'obey it sure, i don't break it, but i don't have any national pride'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who's going to call the leaders of your land treasonous when they're the one's who decide what's treasonous/'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the citizen's who have the foreign supporters of those devil's to beat them down like nazi-warrior's at a g-20 summit?'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just supporting the law of the judas iscariot caesar clone'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's bigger things to think about, like the absence of ladybugs who eat aphids who eat berries on trees which support migrating hummingbirds and GMO alfalfa fueling bee's extinction's while frog's bellies are melted off by hybrid vietnamese agent orange monsanto, and 4 year einstein predictions, with some growth hormone milk and breasts on 9 month old chinese infants with upside down mississipi fish and sick people for a Pork machine pig of the same calibre'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'jesus never mentions that on discovery channel'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you do see some mention of the 2/3 patented human genome in singapore on documentaries though, of which 3/4 of patents are owned by a 'nazi' corporation wh ich split into 4 parts to retain its survival'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'quoting Jesus Christ is similar to quoting Harry Potter -- both are fictional characters , although the Harry Potter stories are known to be fiction'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you really know how to get to the meat of a metaphor, you should work for a faulty ai programmer'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as fictional as julius ceasar, anyway'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bathory's another one, they add on fictional details that become realities every 10 years or retelling of the story'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bathory's the surname of a european royal family who the british or roman empire might not have liked much'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hungarian, romanian and french'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they distorted them possibly to make them a monster, a symbol of inverted hatred support for the current monarchy and power'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think it was christopher bathory who dealt ivan the terrible his greatest defeat'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so russia of course would hitlerize him and forget about the terrible's own christly crimes'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe that upsets their ghost and gives concept of demon, falsely accusing the good guy and self defense demonology ?'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'their history of fallen angels isn't very much canonized for reference in their god countenance'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'jack the ripper might be one of the greatest hero of the last 200 years, mislabelled worship the bag guy'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the good guy gets all the blame'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just saying it's possible, i don't believe historians, only consider what they say and avoid'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're historians, part of a rich group of world dominator's teaching history of life before money'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i haven't met many historians who didn't come from a wealthy nutsack, like the ones who took all the treasures from egypt and stored them in their vaults'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, historians are a rich group...'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who else has the money to spend their time traveling tens of thousands of miles and living in top class resort's while examining pebbles?'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they don't...'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'only correct part of that statement was "spend their time travelling"'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'oh yeah ok, and lets look at the geneology of the top explorers of the last 800 years'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'napolean the ruler of some nation.. '
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'explorer != historian...'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Looking for something to say that will prompt an entertaining argument while I wait for my next quest . . .'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Hmmmm . . . .'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'I think Barrack Obama really was born in Hawaii.'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'No takers?  Okay, how about this:  At one time in the distant past, there was probably a MUD out there better than AArdWolf.'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'w'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'How about this:  I'm pretty sure the end of the world is not coming any time soon.'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Star Trek The Next Generation was a better show than the Original Series.'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Star Trek The Next Generation was a better show than the Original Series.'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sekmeht: 'battlestar galactica takes the cake <3'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Nah.  The cake clearly goes to Stargate SG1.'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'I'll eat the cake, thanks.'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Teal'C is my hero.'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Parallel: 'Firefly was the best. ^.^'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'stargate atlantis could have easily gone a few more seasons, the storyline was solid.'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dek: 'IT Crowd is superior to Big Bang Theory, discuss.'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ShenDragon: 'firefly and SG:A are two of my fav shows'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'If you like the Big Bang Theory, you can thank me for it being on.'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dek: 'Why is that?'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Well, I played a very small role, but a role nevertheless.  I was part of the focus group they showed the pilot to.'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in other words, you gave the producer a blowjob.'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): ShenDragon snickers softly.
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'That would not likely have helped.'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ShenDragon: 'I would consider blowing a producer if they would guarantee Firefly and SG:A would both come back for at least 5 seasons each'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Firefly can't come back, the fuckwits killed off Wash and Book.'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Joss Wheaton -- maybe.  Chuck Lorie -- not bloody likely.'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'But if I wanted something from Joss Wheadon, it would to bring Buffy back.'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ShenDragon: 'they killed them off in the movie, not the series. I prefer to think of the movie as an alternate timeline :P'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Buffy was terrible after the first couple of seasons. It was like watching a soap opera with vampires and shit.'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'If I wanted that, I'd watch Dark Shadows.'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'I'm going to have to hurt you Ryke.  Buffy was awesome.'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'buffy was boring'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: '. . . well, the seventh season left something to be desired, I'll admit, but the rest was cool.'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'The best episodes were the ones where they were still in high school.'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'You have a thing for high schoolers? Sick.'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ShenDragon: 'I hated buffy'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'What did you think of Angel?'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I kinda liked Supernatural.'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Angel was actually a fairly decent series, for the most part.'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ShenDragon: 'didn't like angel either'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'I wanted to like Supernatural, I really did. But there was just... something about it.'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Millenium was a good show that died to early.'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Parallel: 'I'm lost without Lost....:/'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ShenDragon: 'didn't like lost either, for that matter :P'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'I miss Quantum Leap.'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the first seasons of Lost was good, the later seasons seemed rushed.'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ShenDragon: 'Quantum leap was awesome!'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Parallel: 'At least they brought back Beavis and Butthead....>.>'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Yes, Quantum Leap rocks!'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the first 2 seasons of Sliders were really good, then it went downhill.'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'What was that one show.. The First Wave? I think..'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'heh. as soon as i heard about beavis and butt-head coming back i made a joke about them commenting reality shows since there's no music on mtv any more. turns out i was right and it makes me sad'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Parallel: 'Saw the first season of Sliders. It was interesting, I just couldn't get into it for some reason.'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ShenDragon: 'going in this direction, I feel compelled to mention Dr. Who'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Doctor Who*'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ShenDragon: 'interesting fact that is relevant, my doctor is Dr. Hu lol'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Parallel: 'Saw the first season of Sliders. It was interesting, I just couldn't get into it for some reason.'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Parallel: 'sorry'
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ShenDragon: 'so you have said '
T3/r5/2011-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ShenDragon: 'laugh'
T3/r5/2011-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's impossible to prove that another person isn't a twisted reflection of yourself, if you stand behind them and look in a mirror, the eyes of your own and theirs are reversed, if they turn around and look at you the situation is the same'
T3/r5/2011-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it take's faith to believe in other's as not being angels of good and evil :-0'
T3/r5/2011-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can only prove i exist by existing, and you exist by assuming you're not a thought of somebody else, which i might be too, so both are debateable'
T3/r5/2011-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hey oladon, your jehovah's pope thinks of these things for you'
T3/r5/2011-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do you see anything not debateable not see nazi oladon?'
T3/r5/2011-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I don't get it....how does tapping an aquifer which is underground cause dust storms which are above ground ?'
T3/r5/2011-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Magic!'
T3/r5/2011-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I think environmental nazis are even more retarded than I had thought.'
T3/r5/2011-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'That probably wouldn't be surprising..'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they say on average 40 people kill themselves per day in south korea, on bbc, and they had a higher quality of life before the korean war and adopting money as their god, using traditional individualized minsets individual from money instead, did the right people win world war 2?'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's alot of people for such a small amount of land killin themselves isn't it?  what would drive them to it?  they haven't launched an in depth investigative probe into this cultural enmity'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think they spend more time perfecting what drives them to it than how to solve the problem without homicide and other labotomy's myself, do you think i'm wrong?'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you cry wolf far too much to be taken seriously, Druzil'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zannugawa: 'Agreed'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who cries wolf?  the senator?  the politician or the king general, maybe the overlord of your monetary system'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'You cry wolf, Druzil.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it wasn't him it was the other guy, lets discuss his honest agenda's'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Every time I see you on debate, you're crying wolf.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'And all we're seeing are ducks.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, ducks unlimited limited by oiled feathers in the sea you put your trust funds in'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zannugawa: 'ROFL'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Cute.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'thank you, assembly line human, anything original from cuba?'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or is it china?'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anotherguy: 'perhaps it's the imaginary world where you live.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Uh oh, looks like someomes been into the heroin again.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I think you're possibly their best propaganda.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Someone obviously not mentally healthy decrying them.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'imagination meets reality, what an abhorrent asteroid that seems to be'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'unoriginality is the root of all money'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Unreality is the root of all schizophrenia.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the capitalist pigs taught Cubans how to become profitable.  Cuba is ruined now!'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'and Schizophrenia is the root of all Druzils.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the canadian government fed the citizens of canada thalidomide 10 years after german britain reported on limbless children, and ambsterdam has themself an museum of deformed babies to consider'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're reintroducing it now into the doctoral criteria'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Interesting note. Thalidomide had less effect on birth defects than alcohol.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the superior races of humans who paid the government to betray it's citizens in holocaust like rituals called the results retards'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dek: 'wtb copper pyramids to ward off the effects of chemtrails'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Far less, in fact.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you are possibly one of the superior klondike bars'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i find that attractive'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I pity the Klondike bars :('
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'copper's a conductor, it's no good for warding off that stuff.  You need tinfoil.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dek: 'oh :\  I thought tinfoil attracted the harmful haarp rays'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Actually, tinfoil is also a conductor.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Not as good as copper.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't need israel for nothing :('
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'However, the whole point is to have a conductive material to block out deadly rays.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Tinfoil is cheaper than copper, and more malleable.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if it's conductive, then wouldn't it conduct them into your brain?'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Actually, no.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'rust is bad for demons - science fiction'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'A Faraday cage is conductive elements that block out all EM.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'By creating an equipotential surface.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Mind you, if the 'rays' are in fact not photons, then you want, say, a foot of lead.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and a dehiggsinator, so you can carry that foot of lead around.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: '18% of all males aged 25-34 are living with their parents'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '99% of landowners don't ever set foot on all of the land they call theirs, and hemp was illegalized to produce deforested wilderness and high lumber prices'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anotherguy: 'you could just as easily have phrased that "18% of all males aged 25-34 are losers"'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon THWAPS Anotherguy for being a moron.
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a 13 story one fraction of one floor condominium in new york sells for 17 million dollar's, while giving the landowner nothing without the payment of the landlord to the city'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '17 million dollars can purchase 20 x 17 x 147 acres of prime agricultural land'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Actually, IIRC, it was made illegal because it was a cheap printing material, cheaper than paper.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'which is larger than the city of new york'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Which is not prime agricultural land.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'its a script morinon'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the worthless land is worth more?'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Imp Druzil boggles at the concept.
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Yes, because instead of using it for food, we use it for high-occupancy living and/or business.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Since it's worthless as agriculture, we have given it another worth.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, a higher worth than what feeds you, brilliant and fuel some more machinery while justifying the idle hands in your metropolitan food stamp reservations'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't agree with that at all'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's the ultimate sloth where people are prevented from working for a living in favour of destroying the earth the sloth exists in :9'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'You don't have to. Worth is in the eye of the beholder, not in utility alone.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'crawling out of oil style, upside down parasite fish and deer drinking from terminator honeybee stream's bitten by vampire bat's flying through coyote fur's'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Man does not live by agricultural produce alone.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dek: '...'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Also, that was amazing stream of thought nonsense there.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's a picture, reminds me of some thing's that the news doesn't put together for the understanding of people'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Like the fact that the economy is a sort of shared dream?'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that fuzzy little deer and loaf of bread drink from that same stream that puts parasites into tulabee fish necks along the river system that travels by seagull'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'We have enough food to feed everyone on the planet. What we lack is the will to.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'The economy is an emergent system that can be shattered simply be sufficient people choosing not to buy in. At which point, much of the world starves until we come up with another system.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nobody has to starve if you slowly introduce your solution to their understanding showing the variables for them to consider a sacrifice of normal living for'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'People resist slow change.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'The trick is to change things so quickly that they become 'normal' before people notice.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but one person doesn't have all the answers, there's as many problems are there are minds holding them together'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Yes, but ignoring all the phantom issues that only exist in people's heads, there are only a handful of issues to deal with.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'eliminating the minds doesn't erase the resentment that'll follow you into the future like the negro's revolting against the white people and vice versa from british occupied kongo in indian america, etc'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I believe it was Portugal that occupied the Congo?'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's a big chain of lost identities and crimes against humanity to consider, and erasing all thought from human minds is something maybe only satan can do'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if he's that powerful and exists'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's pretty obvious by now that Hollywood has that power as well.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'The power to create or destroy a thought is the same power.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Just as the ability to be unnoticed and the ability to be hugely noticed is the same ability.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'consider yourself in your yard as the countryside you live in responsible for, would you like to have to eat grass off your neighbours land because yours is dead or to consider things like your neighbour's desert and how underneath is located no potash at all, with moisture underneath the potash that rises to feed the roots of the foliage on your once fertlie lane'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Ah, now you're discussing the illusion of ownership.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now would you as your land owner that exists with his family within it dig out that mineral and send it around to constantly farm corn in america and stuff like that, or would you turn to more environmentally and sound proven methods such as grop rotation to restabilify the soil and preservation of habitat of the national ecosystem's around you which support your little yard'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Druzil: ownership is an idea that has no objective existance.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bumble bees, terminator monsanto alfalfa and canola, fish with parasites in their necks, dairy milk from GMO cattle feed'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'couldn't slow down corn production for need of money for one or 3 years'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'We use it because it is a way to avoid some conflicts, ironically it ends up causing different conflicts.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'grow some peas instead is not an option for some reason, like money'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Again, money is part of the shared dream of economy.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Money does not objectively exist outside of arbitrary systems we use it in.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they're thinking that colony collapse disorder is caused more by pollution than anything GM.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'They have no real evidence for what causes it. Colony collapse disorder is a way of cataloguing something they don't understand.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the theory is that pollution somehow interferes with bee radar, causing them to be unable to return home.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'One day there is a busy hive. The next day, all the bees have gone.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Bee radar?'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'how they know how to get back to the hive.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's all possible, probably alot of things play a role in the disappearnace of ladybugs and bees and stuff'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Bees use the sun and visual landmarks to return to the hive.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Unless the pollution is preventing their sight...'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'try to travel through a lung full of tobacco smoke that lasts for 3 miles with your tiny bee body for instance'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'might pass out eventually and get ran over by a car'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'You're giving bees far less credit than they deserve, Druzil'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then there's things like radar and sonar communications which they say some animals are sensitive to'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Animals are quite good at adapting to changing circumstances.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'wind farms are interfering with radar systems, too'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'migratory paths - they only build bridges over perilous locations instead of natural friendly animal crossings'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Else Krakatoa alone would've caused massive ecosystem collapse.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Not to mention the Maunder Minimum'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: '"Nature always finds a way."'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the way it's going now the way might be to remove most of the human ways from the world, through destruction and stuff'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's alot of reported floods and earthquakes and hurricanes and forest fires and oil spills for such a short duration of time comparatively to the previous 3 decades'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the damn squirrels are doing their nazi level-best to make that happen.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I would not worry about killing off all life on the planet. We're not that dangerous yet. I would worry about us dying out.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, i think nature will survive, i got faith in earths strength'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they've even got the deer patrolling the roads for joggers, which they then run off the road and stab with their antlers.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Even then, I'd worry more about some new virus than anything else.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people though don't seem to have respect for living itself, the people who organize the other people'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lol dokk'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you could build a new horror franchise with thoughts like that, bambi strikes back - '
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'when the petting zoo gets bitten by rabid bats'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the "funny" part is that it won't be anything man-made or biological-warfare type stuff.  It'll be a comeback like smallpox or some old virus we are now susceptible to due to increased stress.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nah, petting zoo's alright, shows people at least that animals are distinguished instead of all wrapped in a hamburger wrapper'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'by the way, that deer-on-jogger beatdown is another true story taken from vaguebuttrue.com'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can see it happening, i didn't mean it's impossible just the way you put it sounded like a environmentalist horror constructor's fantasy novel for to get revenge on all the people actually responsible for destroying their world'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's not like all people if given knowledge and a choice would choose to dip all tehir salsa in tar before they choose the evil nacho's over the one's that don't bite them harder'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'evil nachos?'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's up to people who are mayors and politicians and scientists to inform people about the risks that aren't ignored for money because they are paid to not ignore the risks, and things like that'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the chili, jalepenos, and guacamole are the new axis of evil.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'well , this here bridge over the grizzly bear's national route would cost a little bit of money, but at least they wouldn't go extinct or clash with humans  as often when able to travel'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some animals used to travel a thousand miles and more in a year, now they can't because that's numerous constantly packed 4 lane double highways and stuff like that, it all adds up eventually'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nature existed for 575 million years with humans before this last century where the majority of it went extinct they say'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'You know how we generally don't listen to what you have to say, Druzil?  You should do the same thing for these "they" you keep quoting.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's alot of absence of risk assessment and possibly religion driven faith in a lake of fire and end of all life on earth through to the pearly gates'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the pearly gates are a metaphor for the mouth.  Through them comes wisdom and knowledge.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'so every time you get a hummer you're effectively in heaven. :P'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and lies too, the tongue is a wicked evil in the psalms or something like that metaphor, all men are liars and only god is true is another one'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the eyes lie, the ears tell the truth, and the mouth is the go-between.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but most thing's are rooted somewhere in a real reference to something sentient, atr least that's what religion seems to be about since no book has ever shown me the face of god in its pages, only thoughts on what they say have shown me some possibilities that the authors had in mind while writing them  - then this sentence might mean absolute opposite thing's to me and you, but who's the liar then?  it's tough to judge that'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i usually include a presence of doubt or freedom from absolution in my words, because i don't want to think for others, only communicate with them, they are free to think what they want and do as they will like i do, lots of people don't seem to like that, thinking for yourself is considered a crime and having an opinion different from another might result in a holy war or something in religions'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this looks this way to me, this is what i think of the person who is responsible for that based on this'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how does it look to you and what's your reasoning behind it, the 'based on this''
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's why i discuss thing's like causes of death ont he world with people and the future and the meanings behind thing's, trying to find out what they know and see if i can learn better from their version, or at least know what their version is so i can consider thing's through their eyes better'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then if i think it's wrong based on something that appears pretty convincing to me, i might gather their attention and argue with myself for them and show them the contradictory logic behind the way i see the problem through their eye's'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'arrogance and stuff like that blinding people from reality, saying it's all the same on some issue they don't want to discuss'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like it's not top news every day about the ecosystem that people live in, why not?  there is no people with no water or food or air and those aren't always top concerns that the government and the independent media describes in understandable terms so that people can see better what the real enemies are beyond foreign god's and their warmongers'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it might be foreign gods and their warmongers, but they can't come here undetected if you describe the science that detects them and their stealth mechanisms to the people'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then the people wonder where the extra 3/4 of the money they pay in taxes on gasoline and stuff doesn't get routed into such thing's like those since that's the type of problems that pressure them to poison their original ecosystem'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'where are these people all going to run to if when everything is interferred by a human that manipulate's it's patented product that the people need to survive decides that some of them people are unneccessary, and it would like to garner future power assurations by destroying any possibility of natural sustenance without their intervention upon this world at any cost?'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this is the kind of mindset i see behind alot of these problems in the world today'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'if herman cain wins the primary, the comedy skits are going to be aawesome'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Midgarsormr: 'If Herman Caine wins the primary Im moving to France.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Me too, well not to france...'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you would trade a black sexual offender for a white one?'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Midgarsormr: 'I wont have either.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'there are black people in france, too'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'soembody should ask him if he's a crip or a blood'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Midgarsormr: 'RACIST!'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I saw a clip from the huckabee show where he's comparing caine's sexual misconduct to FDR, JFK, Clinton and Edwards. He failed to mention all those were consentual sex.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Midgarsormr: '*turns debate cannel off*'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I think blacks and whites are equal, it's just inferior values of the african american family unit create a propensity for crime and stupidity'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'rofl, i hope you're quoting someone sarcastically'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dek: '...'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'part of Clinton's efforts weren't consentual.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Midgarsormr: 'That's like saying Im only "partially racist"'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'dokkar: That's true if you go all the way back to his ark. days. Good point.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'african americans have higher violent crime and murder rates per capita.  Just a statistical fact.  Also a fact that african americans score lower than every other demographic on standardized and IQ tests.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'racism would be if I thought it was inherent in them being african american'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'In the huckabee show context it seemed to only refer to his presidential misconduct.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Midgarsormr: 'Yes, when you're looking at african americans in inner city areas.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'all men are created equal under God.  Happy?'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Kojiro: So do white people who live in ghetto's compared to white people who live in suburbia.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Midgarsormr: 'But it would be the same for any race in an inner city area.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'It's a quality of life issue, not a race one.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Midgarsormr: 'Exactly Ixle.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'so what's this nonsense about racism?'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'If you grow up in the inner city (white/black/purple) you're statistically going to score lower on standardized tests and be more exposed to crime.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Midgarsormr: 'Your offensive statements.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'more african americans live in poor urban settings, and mobility is low for sundry reasons.  also many blacks are in gangs'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Midgarsormr: 'You walk into certain places talking like that and you wont make it out alive.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I do find it amazingly ironic that the oligarch puts people in the ghetto, and then blames them for not performing as well as rich people.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the ganglands in the projects full of african americans who should be at school ro doing homework but isntead are having sex and dealing drugs?'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <Dark God> Denu: 'if they want to waste their life, its their own fault'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <Dark God> Denu: 'equal oppurtunity to the world'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'we have equal opportunity in america'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <Dark God> Denu: 'where you live is not an excuse'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Kojiro, go to an inner city school. If you don't get shot on the first day go back again.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'It's not an excuse. It's a statistical disadvantage.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'why Ixle?  Do you want me to teach them math and english?'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I want you to understand why they don't want to go to school.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'nobody is making value judgments here, except the fool who called me a racist'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <Dark God> Denu: 'How so, is it statisticle because they have a bunch of low lifes in one area, statistics show you wont do much no..'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <Dark God> Denu: 'but the option is there'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Midgarsormr: 'Do you understand that people are pushed through urban schools in the U.S. who read and write at elementary school levels?'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <Dark God> Denu: 'and most of them are probably still balling, just under the table'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <Dark God> Denu: 'I know people that has been held back'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'midg, there is an order of responsbility for a failure to educate children.  It goes like this:  Parents, child, school'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'The reasons are many. Lower air/food/water quality, lower teacher quality, lower educational material quality, lower expectations, prejudice, lack of encouragement, lack of examples and role models.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Midgarsormr: 'And if the Parents arent educated then what?'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <Dark God> Denu: 'parents are the biggest part of kids leaqrning'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <Dark God> Denu: 'if they can't read and write, then you know their parents are not doing shiz'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'And those are just a few. You can't be a part of the system that puts people into shitholes, and then tell them they suck because they smell like shit.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'That's just not right'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <Dark God> Denu: 'school teaches you alot, but you should learn the fundamentals at home'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Except those parents may be spending all their time working their asses off to feed their kids...'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: '(wooops, is this channel x-rated?)'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <Dark God> Denu: 'they still have time'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <Dark God> Denu: 'if they don't have time, then get a damn education and a good job before you over populate our world'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ixle sighs.
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Midgarsormr: 'Denu, lol... if you are not educated then you dont know that.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <Dark God> Denu: 'you see it all around in the success of others'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'if parents aren't educated, then they are unlikely to teach their kids the value  of education because getting ahead in their pathetic welfare-funded world is dealing drugs and other sundry crime'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Until you understand what they're life is like, I think it's extremely prejudicial to judge such a large group of people as harshly as both of you do. But it doesn't seem like that's going to change.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 's/they're/their'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'haven't you seen "Precious"?'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'cp check'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Midgarsormr: 'We have well educated drug dealers as well Kojiro'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <Dark God> Denu: 'I came up in the gutter man, you don't have a clue it would seem'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'mis'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Midgarsormr: 'If the ghettos are filled with morons they couldnt possible outsmart the government and continue moving billions of dollars of drugs into our country?'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <Dark God> Denu: 'my sister is fucked up because my mom was doing crack while carrying her. My dad has yet to have a job in *years*, f them, im still making my way'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The smart drug dealers aren't in the ghetto...'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shinso: 'The government isn't that hard to outsmart.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'ixle i don't need to shoot crack and live with coackraoches while whoring my body to the local gang to understand the plight of the urban african american'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <Dark God> Denu: 'so your family only will hold you back as much as you let them'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Midgarsormr: 'I grew up in Washington D.C.... that's about as ghetto as it gets.  I have family there and return to the "hood" regularly.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Denu: Do you agree that your environment plays any role?'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <Dark God> Denu: 'yes i do'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <Dark God> Denu: 'its pretty slight though'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Ok'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'Denu gest it'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Hey look guys, I have this anecdote that proves everything wrong, read it and weep - if you climb the social ladder, you are an anomaly, plain and simple'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Then all we really differ on is the degree.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'this country is about opportunity and personal responsibility'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <Dark God> Denu: 'if you climb the social ladder, its because you had ambitions'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and entitlement'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Or cheat/lie/steal'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Midgarsormr: 'This country is about equality and freedom.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'mayeb if herman cain was elected, african americans in the city would put down their guns and crack pipes and pick up a pencil and calculator'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'It's easy to climb a ladder when you're on an elevator and everyone else is just climbing...'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Midgarsormr: 'Ok Im done.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I dunno, Obama was the rallying point and nobody did.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'obama wasn't black, though.  even black people will tell yo uhe's white'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <Dark God> Denu: 'sadly kojiro I think we are past the pencil part. the world is in a downward spiral. most of my friends that have little sisters are pregnant. im talking like 12 - 14 years of age'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'herman cain is straight up colored'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'denu, they just get abortions and take the second chance'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I think you're confusing pigment with philosophy.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'an abortion to a 14 year old is like a free classchange/rebuild on aard'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Wow, really?'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'so people didn't really vote for a black man for president and claim stuff like "The Dream realized"?'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'obama more white than anything dokkar'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'he's blacker than MJ, but less black than Carlton Banks, basically?'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Well, comparing abortions to mudding is where I step out.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'have fun'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'ixle it's their choice, who are we to dictate such a life-changing decision to them?'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'yea dokkar, Obama is more like Hitch'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'more like  Will Smith'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we don't let them marry or have sex, but once they do we force them to keep the baby?'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i can't talk about aboritions anymore or im going to start crying (IRL)'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'so, let me get this straight: your own troll is going to make you cry?  karma's a bitch.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'Everyone is so used to hearing crickets on here they think everything is a troll'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'he's just ashamed about how Republican-ish he's getting.'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I'm a card carrying moderate'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'never let them see you cry, Kojiro!'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'except without the card, because one you identify with something, exit rationality'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'sometimes I cry, and it's OK to cry but never in front of anyone except family (would be shameful)'
T3/r5/2011-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Not Guilty Kojiro sobs in misery.
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Satan needs to rip out Michelle Duggars's ovaries, yes or no?'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I can't believe that bitch is piggo again'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Maybe this one will be stillborn, I guess she had some complications with the last two loaves she hatched'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And you know all those Duggars are a bunch of worthless breeder fundies... I'm sure all the kids will hatch 10 to 20 brats apiece'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'All of whom will be 'homeschooled' and therefore worthless to society at large because all they will know is 'puhraise gawd and breed breed breed''
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'at least we can count on you not breeding, thank god for small miracles.'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I wonder if they're religious?  My aunt (devout catholic) had 15 kids and only lost one when her uterus ripped open, but a few births before that the Church was all "Good God, woman, enough's enough! Use the rubbers!"'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yep, they're one of the fronts for the quiverfull movement.'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'which is fucking scary if you research it a bit.'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm hoping at least one of the Duggar kids will rebel and go childfree'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'statistically, one of them should be gay :P'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'lets hope not'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'by the time they are old enough to tell, it won't really matter if they are or not.'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Anyway, kids do walk away from that kind of atmosphere. There are blogs out there written by walkaways etc.'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And breeders call childfree people selfish'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Know why the Duggars are hatching number 20?  They "didn't want to stop at an odd number."  WTF!!!'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that was a joke, the real thing is that they're part of the quiverfull cult :P'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'What I'd really like to know is this:'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'who cares, not like overpopulation is a problem, let them have as many kids as they want.....*peer*'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'After shitting 19 loaves, her snatch must be wider than the grand canyon.  How does Mr. Dugger even get off?'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Does he spank it by hand and just aim in her general direction?'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'pretty sure she does a lot of kegels :P'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'might also be the hotdog in a hallway thing'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Hopefully this one turns her baby oven off for good.'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And I hope she doesn't die, actually, because if she does die Mr. Duggar will have her replaced within a week, with a young 20-something who will go on to shit him 20 more loaves.'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'idiots, lets tax real xmas trees to raise money to spend on advertising to get people to buy more real xmas trees.....how about tax FAKE ones instead?!!'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'couldn't the people who sell xmas trees just raise their prices if they need more funds to spend on advertising? I mean isn't that kind of their own issue to take care of?'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'should we add taxes to coca cola so that the government can run ads for more sodas?'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Speaking of donating, I laugh at charities for indigent breeders'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Limunious: 'soda should be banned from sale in general'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If they can't afford to have kids, breeder bitch should close down the snatch and stop fucking.'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they can afford to have as many kids as they want.'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Ridiculous that these moocunts expect me to donate so that they can shit more unnecessary loaves and burder society'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that would put too many Suzanne Sommers types out of work.'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'their best friend has 18 kids also.'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'like I said. cult :P'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'at least they have the potential for a nice retirement free of debt. :P'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'They shouldn't'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the really shitty thing is that they're bringing up all their kids to go into the lifestyle without choice. The mother chose it. the daughters didn't.'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'They should have to pay the $247k dollars apiece to raise those brats like everyone else'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'well, everyone who is stupid enough to have kids at all, that is.'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'people pay to watch their tv show :P'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I don't'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Yes you do, your a closet duggar.'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Yep. But enough people do that it doesn't get cancelled.'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'That show is disgusting, WHY are people airing that shit and promoting this kind of irresponsible breeding?'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Because not everyone has the same values as you?'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Because people want to dream about some sort of mythical past when all children were well-behaved and all families were together etc.'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '7 years and counting, and I hope it airs for another 7 years!'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It proves what I said.  They're fucking selfish and don't give a shit what they inflict on their kids so long as they make money off it'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'which is essentially what the people who promulgate that lifestyle believe.'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Maybe this latest brat will be a tard due to moo's defective, aging eggs'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Their kids are happy and healthy, you have no right to tell them how to live their lives, just like theyhave no right to tell you to be an old person with no one to love you. :p'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'unfortunately when you put yourself on television, you open yourself up for all kinds of criticism'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yeah, but I also don't have the right to refuse to pay taxes to support their worthless breeder asses'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if you don't want random people talking shit baout your life, don't have a tv show'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and which taxes do you pay that support them ?'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'We have 7 billion people on earth, there is no reason for these assholes to constantly shit loaves that burder the system even more.'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lots of them people might have a contract held against them that forces them to be on tv ?'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's not irresponsible breeding if they're able to afford the kids they have...(whether or not it's irresponsible parenting is another matter)'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they're far from welfare cases'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if they wanted to be off tv, they could be. they put themselves forward and I seriously think that besides financial issues another motive is to shill for quiverfull recruits.'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can fit the whole population of the US into Texas and still have plenty of room for growth....over population is not a problem.'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Likewise, we have enough food production ability to feed twice the Earth's population sustainably.'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Maybe moocunt Duggar will shit 21.  Blackjack!'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but that's an odd number.'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'food isn't the limiting factor for sustainability so much as manufacturing and byproducts/waste'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'The main reason people starve is because other people (or systems people subscribe to) prevent them from getting it.'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the duggars own their own companies that have earned tons of money over the years, including tow trucks, commercial real estate, and good investments.'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'They're religious fundies.  They'll change their opinions, beliefs, etc. just to make another buck.'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they can afford their lifestyle.'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Abelinc: that's something we can definitely expand.'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the tv show adds to it.'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the first part is...the second part need a whole lot of work'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Well, the 2nd part is actually remarkably easy to do, we just have people trying to stop us from doing it for what they think are good reasons.'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as long as you're not gonna go with the Superman 4 method :P'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unlike a lot of americans who live off the tit of others by working for someone....they choose to create companies....their oldest son started a used car business 4-5 years ago, and appears to be doing pretty well.'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I don't recall Superman 4. Probably a good thing.'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'What was the method?'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'They're still a cult of filthy breeders'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'They ought to all be sterilized'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'You don't get to make that decision.'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sling all the waste into space/the sun :P'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Alas'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Geez, it must suck being that full of hate for people you don't even know.'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ruthless Ross: 'goodness. i'm as happy to be 'childfree' as anyone else but, yeah, hate much?'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Nod, I find breeders to be a disgusting lot'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Abelinc: not worthwhile until we get really cheap per pound escape velocity.'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the haters are the ones that should be sterilized....keep down the hate. :p'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'guys, do I need to introduce Starling...looks like you've never met...'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm working on it, Rizgoth'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon snickers with you about your shared secret. 
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'starling finds her mom & dad to be a disgusting lot'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'cuz I'm fairly sure they bred'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Abe is a breeder too, isn't he?  I rest my case.'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'damn straight, I'm fulfilling my Godly duty }:>'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Because, you know, the decision to further the species is obviously a sign of insanity.'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'quite epic, Abe, you just got everyone thinking about their parents' sexlives.'
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You bow deeply.
T3/r5/2011-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and starling got y'all thinking about me doin' Eureka }:>'
T3/r5/2011-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'any physics junkies around here ?'
T3/r5/2011-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'USa Americans like to sell their souls when they pledge allegiance to .. whatever '
T3/r5/2011-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the tea-partiers pledge allegiance to tax-cuts -- financial ruin shall look good on those USAmericans'
T3/r5/2011-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'Did anybody watch the pack of monkeys and the hootenany (Debate) on CNBC?'
T3/r5/2011-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I'm ashamed to have a republican streak after that'
T3/r5/2011-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'Perry forgot the third department he would eliminate :(  poor idiot'
T3/r5/2011-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'necrofellatio is only wrong if you let it be wrong, and molesting stupid people who think they're smart is ok, as long as nobody knows you know they're stupid?'
T3/r5/2011-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'women are all the same'
T3/r5/2011-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Etzli: 'If you think women are all the same, that explains your lack of a girlfriend.'
T3/r5/2011-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'possibly some sort of qualification is called for'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'In Japan, the internet has been blamed for a spate of group suicides which appear to have been arranged in online chat rooms. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/4071805.stm'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Makes about as much sense as blaming vocal chords because people occasionally use them to plan crimes.'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Of course, this is a position I totally agree with.  I support universal removal of vocal chords.'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Save our children.'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'oh yeah, herby's a happy disney car that drives itself to its masters aid and not cuts of kitty's heads with the sunroof in intent'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and my neighbourhoods even better than mister rogers'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqsy-2_BlaA'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Yeah, in Dru's neighborhood heroin is obviously a lot easier to get a hold of than in Mr. Roger's.'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he used to work for the marines so i wouldn't garner that wager'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or i remember reading that somehwere at least'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i wonder what % of rogers shareholders are actively involved in organized crime'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'can't all be bad, maybe no more than the other large corporations'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how about chinese problems with the nonchinese world and acknowledging that the brother of a second generation immigrant's cousin's uncle is coming for a immigration of non-foreign intelligence funding, and how he arrived from the bottom to the top of society in a matter of days'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is accepting immigrants and emmigrating very useful in the modern day of corporate mind control?'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or should that problem be taken care of before you bother'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most vocal american opinions seem to be against alot of the things israel does in its neighbourhood, and those same people might not know that israeli special forces operate every large casino in nevada'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'gamble away your money's going to what you hate'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that bulldozer ran over that american protestor mighta been fueled by a presidential visit to a high quality whore house or something like that'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's funny kinda, like they finish off their published satanic ceremonies with orgies and poking of the sacrifical goat'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'temple of set is a national religion, i guess it being ingrained in politics is alright'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe it alignes the world's kundalinii to the pecker monument and forces the sleeping serpent into formation against their plans'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what do you think?  i watched a hour and a half episode or 3 on the masonic rituals and some temple build under the whitehouse with the symbolic american phallus'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do they put faith in some form of black magic to get their way in the world'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a fertilized egg is not a person like the person who fertilized it began, but a corporation that patents fertilized eggs and processes of fertilization is a non-person individual with more rights than the people who invest their minds into the shared illusion?'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not so sure they're right in the head or have real people with real minds thinking much about the problems'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'makes a guy wonder if they do sacrifice those aborted infants to satan or some magic like they have for 4000 and more years'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'was they rape molested?  if not then what's the reason they didn't think they could prevent the cock from slippin their thongs until they were ready for some birth mania?'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i made a mistake, i think i'm going to kill it and then claim abortion of the mistake :('
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'stupidity was seen as a reason to chemically castrate people in early 20th century america, and the media and school system now normalizes the stupidity of the viewers who have not much choice in other sight, what's the reason and end plan?'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'over 60,000 people were castrated near 1930 if what i read was correct, whether they were genuinely retarded or somebody didn't like them and were falsely diagnosed'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that didn't seem to solve nothing did it?'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't believe much in non-physical traits being inherited, but eugenicists and racists stick to it'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ShenDragon: 'you don't have to castrate idiots to clean the gene pool, just remove the warning labels from everyday items and they'll do it themselves'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ShenDragon: 'if you are too dumb to know better than yo use a hair dryer in the shower, you don't deserve a warning label'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): ShenDragon raises his glass of champagne in a toast. 
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'those warning labels give you alot of confidence that homicide is suicide, i'm glad it'll remain a question you'll end up being reverse justified in it's usage in other ways upon yourself by your decree'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You would have to remove product liability from all such items also, which would allow companies to openly produce such items that really could hurt more people.'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's how karma seems to work or balance of things, crimes against one person are easily forgiven, against a deceived society not so much'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do people put warning labels on your water informing you of chloroform occasionally seeping into it euphoria, the questionable use of fluoride, the continued pollution of unprivated water sources, and the use of chlorine gas in ww1?'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'oh hey, if i have a bath the steam might give me accumulative breathing problems'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ShenDragon: 'so, by your argument, a company should be held responsible if a consumer misuses a product? A hair dryer was never intended to be used in the shower, it was used AFTER the shower. A lawnmower blade should be adjusted after the engine is shut off, coffee is intended to be hot, and a curling iron is not a sex toy, especially when it's plugged in'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no materminds thought of things like that, sort of like they wanted to drink water, or have tobacco, so what if they're too dumb to think it wasn't the cyanide that killed them and that wasn't a homicide'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, that is why warnings are put on products, to remove liability from obvious accidents which stupid people allow to happen to themselves.'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they only label what people understand, and labels can be liars like boost energy drinks'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'warnings are put on products because the US justice system is broken'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'false trust, you own the labelling company dept's, they hold stocks in your products, i see supreme court judges and FDA agents working for monsanto - amazing, and other stuff like that, where's the civilian common wealth in your government?'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all things considered there's alot of high-money businesses that would go extinct with a real government in place, or at least cut down to moderation neccessities'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the evolution of polluted water into newly drinkable sustenance, that's against corporate world control of peoples water supply'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't see no area's of america or canada revitalizing their freshwater or ecosystems without the guidance of the people who polluted it'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): ShenDragon shrugs helplessly.
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ShenDragon: 'not my problem.'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ShenDragon: 'Given the worlds overpopulation issues, I'm all for anything that will cause mass genocide of the stupid and obscene'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it might be everybody's problem some day, in some ways you don't think it might be already, just saying originally that stupidity was seen as a bad thing for american society at one point in time and now they write books calling this the dumbest generation in the history of america'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and i bet you're a rich man too, never had to work for nothing'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ShenDragon: 'the sad part is, they are right.'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that or in  his service feelin special and nonexpendable if you don't deviate from his deviant plans'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ShenDragon: 'me? I make less than 40k a year, and it took me years to get there'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we'll see how it turns out then'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ShenDragon: 'I just have more common sense than most, and I'm a bitter, angry man because my coffee is served less than scalding thanks to some idiot in California who scalded her crotch and then sued McDonalds for making the coffee too hot'
T3/r5/2011-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and if you're american or canadian, how come your accumulated populations are less than that of india or china and you project that we should be culled before them?'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'can't europe feed itself like america could?'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ShenDragon: 'when I get my morning coffee, it goes in the cup holder'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'any attempt at justification of eugenics ran on citizens of these nation's are unjustified due to the moderate growth in comparison'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'We're well overdue for a ginormous eye-opening war...the people who learnt from the last 2 are almost gone'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, war is pretty possible, it's going on for the last 10 years'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ShenDragon: 'war is already happening, it's just growing larger'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but if you think about it, when shakespear wrote his plays they were still sending the troops to die for jerusalem holy land 1000 years ago'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Because of the damn US justice system, products all over the world have to be filled with stupid labels.'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who's lived long enough to confirm this isn't a repetitive eugenics program in itself'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don'ts ee any value in the middle east to fight over'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ShenDragon: 'in the next 10 years or so, the war will spread into pakistan and syria and expand from there'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'human rights?  there's enough of them they should be able to gain some arms dealer attention against their oppressed situation'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they don't get their arms from our side of the world'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and syria to russia to iran to korea and stuff'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all voer the place'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not going to fight for nobody'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ShenDragon: 'the second china gets  achance, it'll sweep through and take south korea. Time to put on a helmet and hide in the mountains, imho'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not so sure china's much of a military pusher as much as they are of keeping pushers out'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're surrounded by hostile nations towards their way of thing's, i see that'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'from news and the atlas'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ShenDragon: 'druzil China was the driving force behind the korean war'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but chiang is dead and martial law was lifted in 1987'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ShenDragon: 'China on one side, USA on the other. North and South Korea were just pawns'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe the new guy has some better things in mind'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'reading about american soldiers raping korean women makes me sick'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's what a military base is for in a allied nation or what'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'better choose your soldiers better'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ShenDragon: 'yeah, you only hear that half of it. You never hear about the american who was beaten and left for dead in Seoul, or the one who was robbed at gunpoint for walking down the wrong street'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can believe those things too, how come they don't play it on the americanized news then'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'doesn't mean you should go and molest innocent women trying to get an education because of somebody elses crimes'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'wow you molested an innocent, i'm going to molest 2 of yours'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now they have a partnership'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ShenDragon: 'although, I had one soldier get robbed on gate guard... girl offered pleasure through a fence, then held him hostage until he threw his wallet over the fence to her... I laughed my butt off at that'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ShenDragon: '1 for 2 nothing, the crimes go both ways, and they are both wrong. Any person who forcefully takes another, should be repaid in kind with a blade.'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'ultimate form of punishment, ass kicking and staring at a dungeon for awhile is enough'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but of course overpopulation is an issue so homicide is the natural curse kind of reasoning'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe castration for child molestors'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ShenDragon: 'meh. There is no such thing as rehabilitating a rapist. You rape, you die. No quarter given, no second chances.'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that KNOW better'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'executive CEO of the most powerful monopoly in your country or not'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some guy in ottawa prison system now molested hundreds or thousands of south american children and had it all recorded on DVD for the jury to watch, and got 8 years in prison'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's that?  did he get a special protected prisoner status too'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lots of people pissed off at that guy'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a fertilized egg is not a person, but a child molestor like that deserves his balls and a short sentence for ruining the lives of hundreds of children'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that shit remains in the minds of kids you know, they're just worthless peasants though no big deal.. yeah, i don't think so'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Putrefy: 'to bomb, or not to bomb iran is what is up for debate this hour...'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, they been playing stuff leading to that on the media in the last few days, i don't think it'd be fair to the citizen's there if you did'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cause they're not all serial killers and stuff like that'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i know very little about them, like most people don't'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Putrefy: 'key to bombing iran... is that they have, or soon will have nukes'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sounded from the news that iran is secure in it's inability to be defeated though'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'something i hope canada doesn't get involved in, otherwise canada is a target too even if iranians live in canada immigrants'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if things don't work out well'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Putrefy: 'did you see the ammo, rocket site in iran blow up today?'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no, which news shows that'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'did it happen to take out the religious council also ?'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Putrefy: 'http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/iran-exile-group-claims-blast-near-tehran-hit-closely-guarded-missile-base/2011/11/12/gIQATOQMFN_story.html'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Putrefy: 'the blast was felt over 25 miles'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and who assissinated the two nuclear scientists?'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who know they had malevolent intentions instead of honest nuclear energy objectives'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Putrefy: 'well it all goes bacck to the iranian revoltion of 1979'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'civilians paid a pretty high price for the sanctions, not just the people you hate unless you hate them too from what i seen, two airliner crashes in a single year, and flight across the ocean shot down by a misfired us scud or something'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'had a discrepency in signal reading from the airforce base the plane took off from, why didn't they communicate though?  i think they said they only tried the civilian line once'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'eye for an eye why shoudl america feel bad if they misfire on a warship or something?'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i guess america might have apologized but they still had the same sanctions there'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'd have to see all the real stuff to see what's what, it's all speculation even from the media, but that's what people base their alliance of bias on'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who's the gun dealers who armed the people in oil-extraction diamond land rhino horns to hold at gunpoint villages of 100 times their numbers and rape every single one of them:/'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people who sell guns to those people should look beyond the money but they don't, they're just eugenics programs to them'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'those people are never taken to court, but they sure make alot of people armed who will go to court'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Calm down Druzil, it's over, everyone else has gone home *covers with blanket'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's alright, there's a direct route over a lake from russia to iran to think about, there's all kinds of variables that foreign entanglement should be abolished due to'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they fight eachother anyways, who's going to launch the that side of the world attack against the this side of the world?  why bother getting involved over there, they say the violence in afghanistan is worse today than it was before american invaded it'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'getting old is a green technology, heh'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'forget 2012, the world's going to end in 2017 when we pass the 6.3F mark'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's that?'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'when no matter what we do, catastrophic climate change ramps into high gear (6.3F = 2.0C, which is how much hotter the global average temp has to get before the bad things start to happen).'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'well, i can guarantee they're trying their hardest to melt the polar icecaps, which provide alot of the cold wind'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they figure the mediterranean sea will be the last to sink'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'area around spain and those regions'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're stupid enough to drill holes in the arctic ocean after not even coming close to clleaning up the brazilian arabian or gulf oil spills or exxon valdez'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Gibraltar might be, don't think the rest of the Mediterranean stands a chance of lasting, though'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it'd be absolutely impossible for them to clean up an oil spill in the arctic ocean'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but that doesn't phase the people who let it happen'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'The Mediterranean was created when the Atlantic ate through Gibraltar.'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'tsk, amateur wannabe geologists -- what next: creationism geology, or ancient myth geology, or WoT geology'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dek: 'Anyone else watching the occupy portland live feed? '
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'yes it is'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'NO IT ISN'T.'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'TAG your it'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'No, you are.'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'YOUR IT'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'NO, YOU ARE!'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'educational degrees do little to prove how smart you are'
T3/r5/2011-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dharin: 'oops'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(answer) the aardwolf "spirit-of-the-rules" is a disingenuous disgrace, because of dickwad-experienced and bootlicking-inexperienced players telling blatant lies and misinformations to screw with inexperienced newbies'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'do any of my ideas on ideas board have merit?'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vote Flygo: 'OC run?'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'or should I stop posting them?'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'stop posting them'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's too much if even you start becoming aware of it'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'we are way ahead of you tho'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I only post the ones I think are decent.  Are you saying many of them are bad?'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yes'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'is there a single one that is good?'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the ideas-forum is not meant to be used as a tweet-board for displying epenis size'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'not even necessarily bad, you just don't think much'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'also, what xyliz said'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I got nothing to prove, I'd just like to see the game improved for all'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'for epeen, you must be talking about Abe'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but we're not'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you should just stop attention whoring'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Well, one of the issues is that with the amount of time you spend attempting to find loopholes in rules etc., people are likely to discount many ideas that you post simply because of who posted them. It's not rational (good ideas can come from anywhere), but it's the truth nevertheless.'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'He said, as he gave attention to the attention whore..'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rascally Ryke walks around in the room, looking very confused.
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'most of Abe's posts are reasoned -- not necessarily 100% right, but reasoned'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and most kojiros brainfarts are short-sighted at best'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'like which?'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Some are and some aren't.'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'dunno. i stopped reading your notes a long time ago'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'so majic is right'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Of course :D'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic ducks defensively.
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'ok, did 'note from kojiro' and found one. 17215'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'qualifies as a short-sighted brainfart'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'which is worse, being ignorant while committing suicide, or watching all your actions accumulate to the end?'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'That depends on which invisible man in the sky, if any, you follow.'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i fear the top of awareness, and the bottom of death'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'together they're a deadly religion'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'which is worse on mushrooms? going into butchers shop or getting lost for hours in a creepy suburb where all the houses look exactly the some'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Suburbs'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Because those are terrifying enough when sober.'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i believe god does exist, but not on the purpose of this life, besides living it'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'both can be scary dagnir, and i've been in both while on hallucinogenics'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one time going round a narrow blindsided lake road at around 130 mph, after sitting on a narrow damn about 70 feet high over a flowing stream with some pal's also on acid, we biked 30 klicks to the lake'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'done both as well. i guess they were equally bad but i remember the butcher shop better'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'another time we was hanging out a friends house and all of a sudden his psychopathic drunk or possessed father killed a puppy and threw it's corpse at my friend'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'both are unpleasant experiences sober or fucked up'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and yet one more time, we were nuts enough to visit an indians house who liked to throw knives while drunk'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Parallel: 'I rode a horse tripping once, my favorite was 11 hrs caving with a spranged(sprung?) ankle tho.'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i was a white kid in a racist gang's territory'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: '...sprained...'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i've never done a drug in my life'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Parallel: 'ty'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'good for you koj'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'who was the bastard who drugged the horse?'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some people make religions out of them, best to stay away from as far as possible'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Hey, there's nothing wrong with mushroom cults!'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it makes me feel superior to people that have tried drugs'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they got some good uses for medical patients, even psychological patients, but not so much beyond a disease in healthy people'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'oh Iv'e taken medicine, just not mind-altering drugs'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'lol, that's a silly thing to be proud of'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'problem is with drugs and foliage, is all kinds of things in foliage are drugs and how can they control it all/'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i got a package of salvia here i didn't bother planting, but wouldn't eat anyways'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'brane cells are to precius to watse, kids'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'everyone needs their mind blown at least once. makes them better people'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if everywhere those plants go extinct, then nowhere do they grow wiild'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think it's good that all kinds of foliage and stuff be allowed to exist, so long as it's not more of a danger to the public than those who would sell it to them instead'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'I'd rather get other parts of my anatomy blown'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm growing a salvia plant at home'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bears got their place, polar bears gave humans alot of room'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I get high on money and love and exercise.  The natural highs are the best.'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'about 1m tall'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Spoken like a true weenie, Kojiro.'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'too much exercise can kill you. and worse.'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i like to respect nature, even if i don't do much with it'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'I've heard salvia only lasts for a few minutes.'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i may be a weenie, but I'm an athletic, rich, loved, happy weenie :)'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'but you're right I would never get in a fight.  I have way more to lose than the other person.'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'fighting doesn't solve what minds could otherwise resolve'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'so you're a democrat?'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people don't use their minds as much as they should, that bothers me'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I'm a moderate with a republican and libertarian streak'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and when they do, often it's for purposes of deception, even in science and politics'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'koji, do you have any rational reason for not trying any mind-altering substance besides fear?'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'religious dishonesty is harder to prove, as religion is purely observation and thought through experience'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'druzil I turned my mind to gquests and was persecuted as an attention whore'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'on QnA'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'thus, religious problems can be solved through the understanding of people'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Haha, persecuted.'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'dagnir:  1.  personal pride at having more will than the other guy, 2.  I dont' want to lie to my kids when they ask if I've done drugs, 3.  Yes, I am scared they damage the mind/body'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'why would you have to lie to your kids?'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Yeah, why would a woman ever willingly spawn little Kojirolings?'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'because when they ask if you've ever done drugs, and you say yes, they will feel justified trying drugs'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but because you didn't experience the influence of drugs in other than community deterioration and the media, you have no first hand experience to claim they should all be outlawed'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if the doctor prescribes drugs it's ok, morphine = heroine prequisite'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I dont' believe in lying to children.  That's the easy and pathetic way out for parents.'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dek: 'I don't like the thought of losing control of my mind and situation'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'bring forth my demonspawn from your stink crevice, wench!'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no, mind and knowing the situation is very important'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'what about being honest? trying drugs doesn't make you lie and you shouldn't'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'imagination can sometimes overpower people there'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but, effexor is prescribed to depressive, anxious or those the doctor thinks are such, because psychiatrists are short in supply'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I just explained why I don't want to have to tell my kids I've tried drugs'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'It's probably not a good idea to tell one's children, "I did drugs when I was your age, yes." "Did you like them? "THEY WERE AMAZING. But you shouldn't do them."'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'pure hallucinogens are safer than most prescription drugs and even aspirin, btw'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and has a higher post-prescription suicide rate than before they used it'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'That's a terrible excuse. If you've never done them, do you honestly believe that'll keep your kids from trying them?'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it messes with brain chemistry'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I asked my parents if they ever tried drugs, so I'm sure my kids will ask me the same.'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'narcotics do the same, only some are principally different'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'opiates shut down neural pathways to relieve stressful areas of the brain'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'hell, i'd do mushrooms with my kids if they promised to wait till they were developed adults'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert is agreeing with that Seltsimees Dagnir person again...
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'kids make their own decisions, but if I tell them I've tried them it gets way easier for kids to choose to try them too'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cannabiniods together open up pathway's and overpower the stressful situations, possibly affecting the body affected's reason for distress in a beneficial manner'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dek: 'I suppose its a certain personality type that enjoys being out of control or out of sorts.. you certainly wouldn't be in a position to deal with an emergency situation on shrooms'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Brings a whole new meaning to "family trip"..'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so where one results in eventual amputation, the other can possibly save or regenerate a limb'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'why wait?  If they aren't bad, there's not a whole lot of reason to deprive kids of the experience you call "harmless".'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's some honest scientists out there who believe cannabis has alot of potential for the future of medicine'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they actually grew a brand new braincell in a dead rat's brain through a process known as neurogenesis'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'from administration of cannabis'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'all of the honest scientists of the 19th century also thought the same thing about cocaine.'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Pot grows brain cells, you heard it here first, folks.'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so when you see that egg in the frying pan warning you of the cost of scrambled drugs next time, think of the people voting that aborting fertilized eggs isn't wrong'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one type of drug is harmful for one person or application, another has it's benefits, the job of honest doctor's is to weigh the facts and do what's best'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'shooting heroin or smoking crack is obviously bad for you, but throwing (relatively) safe soft drugs in there is just wrong'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Man. I've been a weekend pothead for years and I'm graduating a 4 year honours Psych program this winter with an 8.2GPA & Magna Cum Laude designation. So all that shit about pot ruins your life is only true, like most things, if you do it to excess.'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in the 1940's they were still driving steel spikes into people's temple's for lobotomy, now they use proven detrimental drug's on patients relatively to those alternatives which are stigmatized as illegal'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'which is wsomething fundamentally wrong with prohibition and patent laws'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'magna cum laude in psych... lol'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'make illegal drugs legal, that way you can fight the man on the tax front instead.'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'psych is such an easy major I think the top 50% of degrees are cum laude, because everyone ties for 4.0'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'drugs are too dangerous to be left to criminals'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i agree dagnir'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'when i stayed in kelowna for about a month awhile back, a new club roled into town for a grand opening, and a kid on the front page news who was 15 or 16 years old died from PCP laced marijuana'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'real cannabis doesn't have PCP on it without somebody putting it there, and they know the implications of that action'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'why the fuck would anyone lace pot with pcp?'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Hoo. It's a good thing you know everything about every Psych program in N. America, Kojiro. No wonder your ideas are adopted with such readiness by the MUD.'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'a better high'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'human sacrifice, bad publicity, letting them know somebody new is running the show, something like that possibly'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the real question is why anyone would blunt a dust trip with weed'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'do you even know what pcp is, dokkar? what the fuck do you mean by "better"?'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i smoked PCP laced cannabis maybe once or twice, neither time was pleasant'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i didn't know it at the time, but it was there'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'is pcp ever pleasant?'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'yes'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'are you sure it wasn't your natural high, druzil?'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'pcp is scary shit'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nope, but my friend claimed it was laced after we smoked it'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm very into psychedelics, i have everything from salvia to dmt at my disposal, but i would never touch pcp'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'pcp's a killer, turns people into vegetables unable to see beyond their eyes, originally invented for psychological experimentation'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'pcp is a disinhibitor, so if you ain't got no skeletons in your closet to scare the shit out of you it's actually kinda nice.'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe they just had alot of skeletons then, like that one texas rapper'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'd like to see a person without any skeletons'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'practically impossible'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that what sociopathy is for, Dagnir.'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no such thing after you realize your meal was murdered but wasn't human, if you think on that alone for awhile life takes on a horrid glow and morbid empathy for the eaten'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Parallel: 'it might surprise you that I know of such a person. It is a rare breed for sure.'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'impossible'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i tell the cow's sorry and hope it won't always be like this every time i see them'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'how the fuck could a person live their life without a single mistake or regret?'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Parallel: 'improbabble'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Parallel: 'If I knew, I could tell you. Luck?'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'simply don't care.'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'anyway, i like hallucinogens but i've never thought of them as a "fun" drug'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'imagine a world where you could survive on fruit trees and thing's didn't kill eachother'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'would it be a bad world, a boring world, a sad world or a real world?'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '"bad trips" aren't necessarily bad. just something you have to deal with and you usually learn something. it's not pleasant, but it's certainly not harmful'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Parallel: 'You couldn't live there Druzil, We wouldn't have evolved without the competition'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'definitely wouldn't be a real world.  Overpopulation of the pollinators would force the fruit trees to die off, and you would either have to go hungry or learn to eat bees.'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Africa: plenty of food on trees -- spawned violent selfish savage africans'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'pcp, in the other hand, is also an anesthetic. so you can cut yourself open and play with your own guts, if you happen to feel like it'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not certain about that, man's mind seems to provide alot of negative evolution that could have been used for good'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so if you were man starting as yourself you'd be extinct before woman was found'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Parallel: 'That's because evolution favors success, but allows for diversity'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'cold harsh climates forced humans to be (1) more intelligent, anf (2) more cooperative with each other  '
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'those climates were most likely reached due to the social climate they left'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'only within the same species of human.'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no escape for the most remote eskimo now'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'awesome. i live in a cold, harsh climate'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mine's getting there, -7 now'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Vikings were also more intelligent as warriors, because the stupid were killed off when they raided other non-viking humans'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'get to around -40 c some days and then 35 c others'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '-30 to +35 here'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Cro Magnon and Neanderthal went biblical on each other, kinda like a harsher version of palestinian v israeli.'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but that -30 is on the coast. damp cold is the worst'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'russia once had this entire city built on some norwegian / russian battle over who owns the copper mine there'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'would be one strange life to grow up in a place like that, greenland, iceland or the faroen islands'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then come to a flat place like saskatchewan with no ocean around'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'africans became inferior because the warm plenty-of-food environment did not force them to cooperate with each other, so they savagely murdered each other off based on physical prowess (and murdered of the intelligent africans into extinction or reduction)'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'what about saharan africans?'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they probably killed themselves off for the money the white man who exploited the trust of their ancestors until in position interweaved between them and what he wants'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'coula been spaniard or runoff of the romans too, i guess'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they left in search of water.'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Arabs were middle east and influenced by association with intelligent Europeans - not exactly african'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'The Sahara today still gets as much rainfall as the Amazon Basin does, it's just that none of it ever reaches the ground.  Until Nemesis bounced off the Atlantic and formed the Gulf of Mexico, the Sahara was actually a rain forest instead of a desert.'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'can you confirm that one time the sahara desert wasn't populated with trees, like the hanging garden of babylon's missing wonder?'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and that the clearcut mineral culture spread across america today wasn't in similar form in africa at another time'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can't'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'aliens?  i haven't seem them consider THAT theory in their theories'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'who is they?'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they who write the national geographic stories'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'there's a whole series called "ancient aliens"'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'about how aliens came to our planet at key points in history'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'those guatemalan rocks and baal bek sure are interesting'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'load of BS if you ask me, but it's interesting enough to watch'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dek: 'They came to RUIN the History Channel.. '
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Seriously. That show is such shit.'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dek: 'the only good thing about that show is that guy's crazy hair'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'My favorite was the episode where crazy-hair-man said Alien technology HAD to be involved in the lighting of the pyramid, because there isn't enough oxygen inside to keep a torch going. His argument rested on the fact that he once couldn't light his lighter inside, due to the lack of oxygen to feed the fire.'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I mean, I'm no expert on this... but if there isn't enough oxygen to feed a lighter's flame, there isn't enough oxygen to breathe.'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'lol......'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'it was interesting that they supposedly had batteries'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Yeah, the Baghdad battery has also been found (or at least evidence of it) in Egypt.'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'bagdad batteries, yes'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'myth busters did an episode on it'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not proof as more than a group of human's who kept the knowledge hidden from everybody else though'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'there is no proof it was actually used for the purpose of electricity though I don't think'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'a common theory is that it was used for electroplating.'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'I'm definitely all for the idea that ancient civilizations are a lot more advanced than people give credit'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'that doesn't mean they have to be aliens though'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Interesting note: according to either Pliny or Tacitus, the ancient Celts had germ theory.'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dek: 'If the aliens came here in wonderful flying ships... they reeally held out on teaching us the good stuff'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'They even had the knowledge that distilled alcohol killed germs, something they called Uiscge, which according to the writer meant 'clean' or 'pure''
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and there's a curse in the bible where the god of israel's prophet will turn the king of babylon into a herd of cattle for 100 years, and 1 day to god is as 1000 years to man - so did they take human's and splice their gene's into cow's like toy poodles and platypus?'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the best lessons are taught by crossing through Stargates or doing battle with gigantic alien robots.'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'lol, pretty sure it was nebuchadnezzar, for 7 years, not 100'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oladon: 'Yeah, and not "a herd of cattle".'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'and there is supposedly a condition called lycantherapy which describes his condition'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'He was a werewolf!?'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert runs away in utter terror!
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dek: 'more than likely just a swarthy, hirsute man'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oladon: 'No, that would be lycanthropy... the closest I can figure is that he was having wolf therapy?'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'he was a human, but thought he was an animal'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Haha. Furries'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'lycanthropy, whatever, was just google searching the spelling'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'point was, there is a real condition where people think they are animals'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'lycanthropy, vampiricism, and zombification are all real things--vaguely, if at all, related to their hollywood legends.'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'There is also a condition where people believe they are various mythical creatures running around killing stuff for exp.'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'LARPosy'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'lol, that's the one'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'wow, they're trying to make lying on the internet a federal crime...'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'oh boy here we go'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'good lord, they want the interwebz to be empty'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and apparently using google while under the age of 18 is in violation of Google's terms of service.'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'yeah....its almost like the end is near'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'or not'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'http://news.yahoo.com/lying-internet-could-soon-federal-crime-232406135.html'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chicken Styliann: 'the wording on that is really vague...it's something like must be of an age to enter a legal binding contract with google - not strictly speaking 18, depends where you are in the world I guess.'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'well im 18 somewhere'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I bet RIAA and the movie guys will be taking advantage of this if it comes to pass.'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'how will politicians raise money online...if they cant lie?'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'never mind that, passing this might be the final act of Congress!'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'I want to fight back'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'oh wait...they own everything'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'dont stick your head up slave....itll get culled'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'at least now we'll have closure on the theory that there are no females on the net...'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'see y'all in hell I guess'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert is Canadian, doesn't worry about American federal laws :P
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'what a great country'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'this is why spelling and attention to detail is important. http://news.yahoo.com/texting-mistake-lands-drug-buyer-jail-223948646.html'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'well you can be sure we have gov't monitors here as well'
T3/r5/2011-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'comrade'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Parallel: 'but not in that movie.. :P'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Parallel: 'A wise man once said, "If you have nothing nice to say....listen to some music. :-P'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the word sun is used in book of revelation, and one prophecy is that the sun shall be darkened, while sun is a patented computer software company owned by microsoft, i wonder if they chose that name based on some religious or atheist symbology and possible human force as a result of owning a part of their faith'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'black magic stuff'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'think about devils advocate and thing's like spawn where they have unfinished business and are kept around at the will of their master, and a human belief in fundamentalist thinking which includes deed's like these to other's souls - or a part of other's which rely through them on gaining understanding for - a priest'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'purposeless zombies'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is a fertilized egg a person wondering if it was itself?  is a company patenting mutilated egg's and breeding threm through humanity like Vril more or less a person than the people who invented it?'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'abortion not a person's homicide are similar to chemical companie's not a enslaver'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or a god'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sacrifice for the company or country, deity, always comes first in a given place'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're thoughts though, or demon's or satan's lies'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'real deity's hard to say exists, like i can make a computer virus which you can't detect because it searches for repetition in itself signalling a virus scanner'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but that would be real devil instead'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and other placs where they have expendable billions of people just dying for a chance to afford a chunk of bread for the competitive lowest possible wage, cause the contractor needs to be a pig too'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'how would you react if you found out your son/daughter was going to college and did this? http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology-blog/tesla-coil-hat-makes-shocking-fashion-statement-173727781.html'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I would be pretty impressed.'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I'd also ask for one.'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fatzy Madcatz: 'So, a college near my hometown got put on lockdown today because of reports and two 911 calls that a man was casually walking towards campus with an assault rifle.'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fatzy Madcatz: 'Police gather traffic footage of the guy and his gun, talk to witnesses, and armed policeman surrounded two buses with guns drawn and swept a house in the area looking for the guy.'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fatzy Madcatz: 'They finally found him, and turns out it wasn't an assault rifle that was sticking out of his backpack.  It was an umbrella.'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav snickers softly.
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'You'd better watch out for those umbrellas.  I hear some wizards conceal wands in those.'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they say dead people can't see past their own eye's, as arrogant people are similar, and thinking people with imaginations display symptoms of, hedonism and the church of death'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just having an abortion amputation religion, teaching of what the guy under the lid is doing now, think about it'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'has everybody here ad the urge at one time or another to go to the cemetary and dig somebody up to make jewelry with their bones?'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or is that just wrong'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lonely business i guess, maybe it was the horror movies made so many necromancers'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'my hard drive was dead once, but after a couple months of not watching pornographic movies i installed openbsd onto it'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's a zombie hard drive'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Phaded: 'great operating system'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yep, i had fun with the people who made it'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Phaded: 'what do you mean? u knew them personally?'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nope, but we got to know alot about eachother through my dead computer'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Phaded: 'pf such a great firewall'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Phaded: 'i used to run it on an old 486 with 4 NIC cards... it was my gateway/router'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's alright, better documentation provided on a bsd machine than a linux box'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'code looks better too'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Phaded: 'agree 100%'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Phaded: 'seems to be a better class of user to deal w/ when u need assistance as well'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most openbsd people use laptops or a different system for personal use, but for the hardcore technical questions there's alot of answers'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you want a video card driver they'll give you a link to a patent that prevented them from accepting the corporation's blueprint's and building one for you, but you can write one up if you're good'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oladon: 'Shouldn't this be on tech?'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who first invented the usage of pig intestines as wrappers for ground up meat?'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'thinkk about taking a shit passes through intestines before leaving the asshole, after inhabiting the stomache'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'musta been a pretty hungry people who invented it, never seen it discussed on history tv'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is it more of a statement towards life or a survival mechanism made neccessary?'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you ever cut the guts out of something you'll see what i mean, who would have thought of grinding up the meat around the guts and placing it into that rancid pile for consumption?'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'musta had a tough stomache'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'eating pigs are unclean animals in the majority bible world, here we wrap holy cow's mixed with pig fat into pig intestines and call it sausage'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i got nothing against sausage, just saying it's pretty morbid when you think on it'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'saint peter said god told him to kill and eat after crucifying and decapitating christians resulted in jesus giving him a vision, so it must make some kind of sense'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if anything, housing your supper in it's own guts provides some insight into how come all politicians are two faced crooks and the cops are mostly crooked too'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mmm, cow stomache filled with ground up udders, what's that meal called'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'haggis?'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i hope not, i always got grossed out lookin at the cold tongues in the meat dept.  if they actually have a meal out of cow udders and stomaches i give up'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they were really hungry then ok, but otherwise, and washing it down with some milk at the same time'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'about half a mile away from me 2 years ago they castrated the male meat machine's and fried their balls in a bbq, i didn't attend but i guess there must be some kind of fucked up psychology going on there'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'takin the reproductive organs of your future supper, and roasting it up like marshmellow's, while it wonders where it's balls went on the other side of the fence'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i got nothing against it, it's no worse than roasting up some pig+elk meat in a pig intestine and shitting it out 24 hours later'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's just gross stuff, and reflects society in it's own redundant way'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'did you hear about that BrightSource thing?  1.4 billion in taxpayer money for another green-energy flop. this one tied to the Kennedy's.'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i didn't no'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i know there's solutions to alot of problems in the world that are ignored and science that isn't acknowledged as a precursor to not ignoring it any longer though, and mostly is bad people in charge of everything'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so nothing really surprises me, like a bonus given to BP executives from al jazeera article, no followups on the upside down millions of mississipi fish cleanup's or the health of the citizens except threats if they speak of their ailments as a result of the disperstant'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and reduction in toxic lifestyle campaign promises liscencing out 13 new spots to oil surveyors in the ocean'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'only recorded oil spill that was worse than gulf of mexico happened next to somalia '
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and they try not to record them as much as possible'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'for instance one or three recent ones in northern canada went un-noticed until a survivor blew the whistle, hundreds of barrels just lying spilt over around the pipeline toxifying the creek and forest, they didn't report on whether or not the pipeline has pressure censor's that told the company where it happened and they just avoided cleaning it up or not though'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the cn railroad has a sophisticated computer network that monitores track conditions, so i'd assume something like a pipeline does too'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they just don't care about the foreigners land that they destroy'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'unless it's for publicity or mind obfuscation'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how come nobody questions questions like that?  45% of publicly given government paycheque from the oil industry'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they wouldn't allow an honest judge of their profiteering at others expense into the government'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if i went ahead and spilt 8000 gallons of oil into your favourite national park or maybe your water supply or fishing pool or backyard, the government would give me life inprison'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but if they do something 10 million times greater, since they are the government they spend all their time and effort making sure an issue isn't raised about it'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a scientist who says there's something not right there with that thing that makes you infinite money and buys you all the pleasures of the world doesn't last very long in his job'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Parallel: 'reminds me of that saying "I won't accept corporations as people until Texas executes one of them" :P'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i never heard of that one before - but bbc printed an article where they passed some mississipi abandoned oil well's which were leaking methane as they slowly rusted away, and the government has nobody to tell to clean it up because the corporation was dismantled in 1975'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and exxon valdez they say was given a 20 billion dollar grievance allowance (which didn't fluctuate with the value of a dollar to the higher amount in equity by the time they paid it off) instead in 2005 or 2007 the us supreme court cut that 1989 fine down to less than 500 million dollar's, after exxon had paid at most 1 billion on it over 19 years'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that would be a definite death sentence or at least consecutive life sentences if a real person spilt that much oil into alaska'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that is all'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'instead the government preaches poverty taxing stuff and not the unpaid fines of it's multinational corporation which leases out american land to russian government'
T3/r5/2011-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now that is all, from another piece of memory, it's hard to see the whole picture because of how silent it is'
T3/r5/2011-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'some Occupier tried to firebomb a Wells Fargo but his molotov failed to go off.  It's like a living analogy of the movement. :P'
T3/r5/2011-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'The hippies are turning violent now?'
T3/r5/2011-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'from Day One.  Rapes, suicides, robberies, think there may have been a murder or two.'
T3/r5/2011-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and then there's the symbolic violence of the rioting and breakins.'
T3/r5/2011-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'on the bright side peeps realize there's a problem with the systems that control the world'
T3/r5/2011-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'others don't understand and just see some opportunity to get away with criminal activities since who knows who in a stranger's mob'
T3/r5/2011-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'not really.  About the same number of people support the movement as support Congress.'
T3/r5/2011-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dek: 'I hope this mic check stuff goes away sooner than later :P'
T3/r5/2011-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'which is very far away from 99%, by the way.'
T3/r5/2011-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'holy shit. i think druzil worked at dominos: http://imgur.com/gallery/hqMxe'
T3/r5/2011-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'what kind of person donates money to fund research on exploding duck penises?'
T3/r5/2011-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(gossip) greedy rich humans are a disease to be euthanised, along with the supporters of those greedy rich humans.'
T3/r5/2011-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"revolutions are usually started by the middle class" -- in the USA, the middle class is being reduced and eliminated '
T3/r5/2011-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '"They did push very hard for us to hold our announcement of the consolidation to employees and vendors to Nov. 3rd - oddly they didnt give a reason for that date."'
T3/r5/2011-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'first time I have seen firing people called a consolidation'
T3/r5/2011-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'bonus points to whoever came up with that'
T3/r5/2011-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'maybe they were referring to consolidation in another sense'
T3/r5/2011-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'like merger and the resulting consolidation of departments'
T3/r5/2011-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'whereby retrenchment is incidental'
T3/r5/2011-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'probably not, it's from internal Solyndra emails, saying Obama Admin wanted to keep giving them money, but not announce that they were axing people until after the election last year :)'
T3/r5/2011-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dek: 'James May is the best Top Gear UK presenter, discuss.'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'In 2010, the cost of electricity per megawatt hour from coal was $59.51, including capital and operating expenses, compared with power from offshore wind at $176.37 and electricity from thin-film photovoltaic cells at $240.55.'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'cost for nuclear?'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Cost for nuclear energy - cheap, cheap, cheap, cheap, HOLYSHITITEXPLODED'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i don't think they explode'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'they just... melt'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'anticlimatically'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Tell that to the jetstream over Chernobyl :-) No but seriously, the REALLY bad shit melts, the 'not so bad but still ruin your picnic' stuff gets thrown up'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There is a moral imperative to burn as much coal as possible to lower the price of electricity and give people more money to make their lives better.'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nuclear plants are more efficient and cleaner'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and cost 3x as much because of a lack of a common design and politics.'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'we have to develop them somehow'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It takes almost a decade just to get permits to build a nuclear power plant now.'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'also, take healthcare costs into account with coal plants'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can build a natural gas power plant in less than 2 years now.'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and a coal plant in around 5 years.'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the future is nuclear anyway, might as well start now'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'or maybe finally develop working lst plants'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'coal power plants are becoming cleaner every year, but you have to force the power producers to use the technology which costs a lot of money.'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'future is fusion!'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'fusion isn't realistic any time soon, lst plants are'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'coal plants might be becoming cleaner (only compared to older coal plants), but they're still polluting like motherfuckers'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'also, we're running out of coal at some point'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US has a 200 year supply with current known reserves, and more reserves are coming online as the plants become cleaner, because they can use dirtier coal.....kinda ironic. :p'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so you're essentially fucked in 200 years if you don't develop something better'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'uranium should last next 100 years'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'same thing with oil actually.....a lot of the oil we use today is considered heavy oil, or dirty oil, but because of advancements in extraction and refining, we can use that dirty oil.'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'there should be shitload of thorium lying around tho'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and lst plants give me a geek-boner'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps you can talk Iran into switching to thorium :p'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'afaik china was supposed to build one'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'err, the correct acronym is actually lsr'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'anyway, china is planning to build one in 20 years'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all this new cheap shale gas is probably preventing dozens of new coal power plants from being built though, but the ones already built are getting bigger.'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '8 new state of the art coal plants were cancelled in Texas because of the gas, and new nuclear plants have been postponed also, but existing nuclear plants are adding new reactors.'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's pretty amazing how short they expect the attention span of american's to be when they blame that clark guy for 9/11 attacks while he's the one who was ignored weeks before they happened'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then they're all like, oh yeah, that bad clark guy, heil jesus, all stupid like and only comedians criticize him publicly'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'something bad's gonna happen, lets have a meeting so i can show you what i mean, nope we can't have no meeting but you will be blamed after they happen, and americans will think it was your fault if anything that we didn't do nothin'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then we'll spend a few hundred billion dollars making unintelligence agencies and employing nfl rejects to beat on homeless mothers'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'buying oil from you funds those terrorists over there, therefore anybody who purchases your oil won't be able to purchase or invest in anything here, and since your borders and civil services suck there will be no tourism or trade'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'pretty easy to take a sledge hammer and knock down every supercomputer in the world and figure out who's who'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i bet i could muster the energy myself with my emperor chiang formula taiwanese american cigarettes infecting my bloodstream, maybe even double barrel them while busting your hiding places'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45350537/ns/world_news-asia_pacific/t/historic-opportunity-progress-hillary-clinton-visit-myanmar/ historic burmese dialogue to release all political prisoners and stuff, but no such thing happens to china'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you fart in the general direction of the king of the serpents there you'll be quiffed for eternity in a silent dungeon'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dek: 'wow'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i always hated china'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe an inherited thing'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '1.5 billion itchy crotches in china, 1.5 billion itchy crotches in india, 1.5 itchy crotches in russia, 4.5 billion tally, unmarked countless across africa and south america, but america.. moderately paced for it's land mass'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think if god has some heavenly castration scissors down in israel he'll be aiming for the nutty fuckers first'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'shariah law 4 wives one nutty fucker, and 72 virgin holes in parafuckerdice'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'birth machine bastard god'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you're worried about prisoners in china, but not in the states?'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'last i checked the states have more people in the can'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i started my one man debate by discussing america's absence of thought'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i always hated america too, only americans i ever met made me think of the manson cult'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe led like the children of the corn or something like that, makes them whacko'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'far as i'm concerned i should be living in russia, austria, poland or hungary now, but world war's scared my family away, but they were sent back there anyways fighting for the other side'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'austria's a pretty rich place, probably get by alright there even if the other 3 are whores'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you wouldn't want to live in hungary right now'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i know, it's a vagina factory where cunts are spread by the victorious penis'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i meant politics wise'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'shit's scary'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they do live in between mongolia russia and china, so it must be scary, those places are all notoriously evil nations'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'northern americans failing at geography as always'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'only way to survive there is to attatch a trigger to your pulse that will release a genocidal germ into the bloodstream's of everybody who thinks badly of you, and run for mayor'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'world war 3 will fix things up alright, maybe if all the scientists get whacked people will forget how to make nuclear weapons for the next world war'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think it's about time'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '1812, 1870, 1910, 1940'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm not sure if you don't know where hungary is or don't know where china/russia/mongolia are. both options are possible'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '2011, 2053'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'have body parts flying everywhere melting faces off gut splats blowin up buildings and screaming missiles all around'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the kind of life everybody wants'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'are you planning to go breivik any time soon?'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is that a gypsy word for stupidity'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no, he's the famous norwegian. do you know where norway is?'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'speak english or die - stormtroopers of death'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yep, they came and molested the indians in 1975'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'norway, is that where santa lives?'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no. that's finland'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'also where dexter lives'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'norway's where the hells angels and the rock machine have a deal going with the government that lets them ship ukrainian sex slaves to rich cocaine dealers in south america through denmark'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the hells angels is composed of mainly ex-marine us soldiers'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so norway's basically america's tool'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'TIL'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'seen it on national geographic channel'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the history of current norway in tandem with montreal's mafia connections'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'afk, rooting druzils computer through secret satellites'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'oh yeah, america spends it's 20 billion per day tax dollars in good places, like ukrainian kiddie porn houses and stuff'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'might fund poverty in thailand too'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'your local connections are located in duff'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and one on a farm about 50 miles from tehre'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'hmm, he seems to be running linux with known vulnerabilities. shouldn't take long. we need the info for our organizations because he seems to be on to something'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'shit, mis'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'my uncle visits russia once in awhile'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's no way to root a box running no listening tcp ports'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i have the dept. of homeland security watching this game though'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'of course not. don't worry, you're safe'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'your connection's scanned constantly and your attempts are accessed'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'dagnir maybe works for a european forced sex slave outfit in amsterdam or sends them their supplies while they haven't reached puberty yet'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'peddling cocaine through the putin government'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or is georgia the bad guy'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think georgia's pretty cool place, tells russia to kiss its ass and is a hundredth the size'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'must piss off tough guys like dagnir'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm all for russia. they should occupy us again'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir nods quietly to himself.  What a wacko.
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'finland was formed by russia in 1800's'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'germany was europes last hope against russia, but china thinks it stands a chance'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'lay off global policits, please. you don't even know where these countries are'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all german politicians work for the same mafia the russian politicians work for now'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hitler has a sense of national pride, that was a threat to international kiddy porn'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'go read on teh accounts of occupies france survivor's detailing of how well the german soldiers treated conquered france in contrast to the heroes who came to take it back'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then you see the mafia's and the trash that runs the world spreading into germany'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hitler looks like the last real hero to have owned a nation on earth'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or led them'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the rest is all a bunch of shit'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some americans raped french women in the subways, some went into the nunneries in rome and fucked the nuns'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it was all part of the roosevelt stalin deal, under the queens guidance'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as soon as they squeezed a baby out they cocked the hole again'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'breeding some impure bastards into the people'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'middle east and israel's only non-bastard nation's around now, they keep it in the same gene pool'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'http://imgur.com/gallery/ixNTr'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'lack of context?'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'just a thought'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'context being ows movement'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Aardwolf requires more enchanters to satiafy the urgent wants of plaintive noisome newbies, ready to pay for decent max-enchanted armor, with tp and some coin held in their inexperienced clammy hands'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zuko: 'or maybe Aardwolf needs less 'noisome newbies' ?'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'but do Aardwolf pMage Enchanters get anything other than Enchanters focus, something with battle-prowess, something pk and pvm worthy?, something worthy of the name Magus! ... noooh  (whimper)'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'help evoker, help elementalist, help witch...'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'and so the shortage of Enchanters :(   Plenty of Evokers though '
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there's no shortage of enchanters'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you talk about greek god's to greek children they look at you like a lunatic, but they are useful to learn in grade 9 english'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'should bullshit gods be removed from the curriculum for making false assumptions about a foreign nation?'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'after the romans conquered egypt they said anhur was shu and ra and horus and all kinds of things'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so it's pretty doubtful any greek original meanings of their temples and stuff exist'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'crack is whack'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sloths eat alot of coca?'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'more likely they snort it, Druzil'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'escobar sure looked like a fatty, so i guess it might be in a cocaine nature to be a sloth, they might like it'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe the last non-american government cocaine supplier on earth was escobar'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'poor deceived black flag drug gangs'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's lots of escobar's, maybe even more than harpy eagles'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'think about it for a minute, the canadian government fed canadian pregnant mothers thalidomide for relaxation for over 13 years after it was revealed in european press in 1947 that infants are born limbless, do you think they were deaf, and do you think they wouldn't dabble in something as simple as cocaine?'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '1947 front page news stuff in britain, thalidomide is bad stuff, 1962 they notice in surgeon general parliament in canada'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'not all thalidomide is bad stuff, only a specific isomer'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're prescribing it to some people in australia a half a century later, cause people dont' remember much about half a century ago'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's population control, and the vatican's 'the son shall not be punished for the sins of the father' fertilized eggsa ren't people, and subject all the animals who are the poor in society to exploitation of trust of their government's oversight of what their doctors give them and get away with homicide for'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if i went around and fed all of your wives and daughters and mothers something that made their offspring born with only the reptilian lower brain functions, would you hold me accountable or say it was just a simple mistake?'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'serial killer scientists is all they are, and they get away with it because you respect the phd their stock market gave them to slander your trust in'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'should do a historic investigation to the doctors who knew better and prescribed it anyways and remove all of their invested fortunes from their geneology's'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're living off stolen tumours like the black woman's consent wasn't givent o patent her cells'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'someone patented black women?'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'my god....an Alex Jones overdose'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some book was written about her, in the 1940's or 50's they took her cancerous tumour and developed medicine from it'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'her dna became their intellectual property and her family got no royalties for it'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no historic investigation or seizure of homicidal wealth will ever be conducted, but notice that hitler's offspring are mysteriously missing from the record books and he lived himself in a pretty nice house, as his two wives committed 'suicide''
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's a difference between how hitler is said to have genocided people and how the chemists who ran the world ever since did, if you make limbless people cause mothers trusted phd stupidly you are ok and can pass on your wealth without fear of persecution'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'hitler was only a villain because he lost'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dek: 'I think he's more a villain because of the genocide thing, even if he had 'won'.'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'it's only even genocide because he lost'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'Hitler had kids? Where are they?'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'that's the main difference why alexander the great is a hero and hitler is the most evil person who ever lived'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dek: 'Russia won and Stalin was still a genocidal butcher'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'ok, so he's a villain because of the genocide thing, even if he had won, so is stalin - sure, but how about the amount of babies born across eurasia and america without limbs and brainless as a result of the medicine to make pregnant mothers relaxed?'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Stalin was more evil than Hitler '
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i bet that amounts to maybe a hundred million or more affected babies, who became who you call an old man today'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're not even noticed by the critical eye of history or justice'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Pol Pot was also genocidal'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'chiang might have been too, i wonder why in the movie konstantine his name is mentioned on a pack of smokes'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'as far as sheer numbers go...it is said that Charman Mao killed over 100 million of his own peeps'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'martial law till 1987 or so'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the Chinese are used to genocidal rulers'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in 2005 or so, us congress passed a double dosage allowance for all the toxins in tobacco smoke, which was advised to them from japan 4 months earlier after 'clinical trials' showed 'no increased mortality rate' at the double dosage'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'remember how Satan ripped out two large handfuls of tar from Constantine's lungs?  That's why.'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they didn't discuss this on CBC or CTV news or CNN, it was all done behind the scenes, but is recorded on us government health science research website'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dek: 'I don't need drugs, all I need to feel high is to listen to this channel :P'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's not tobacco that kills people, it's the same people who fed thalidomide to mothers who wanted some relaxation's ancestors or pupils killing people'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the film "Constantine" is a fiction by some author/scriptwriter'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'tobacco doesn't result in the most mortality rates when not covered in the crap they added and mutated into it's genetics'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i seem to have been the first smoker to have even noticed, it's very undercover but documented openly'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you're either hallucinating, or you're not the first.'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'oh hey, in 1999 1.3 mg of nicotine per smoke was hard stuff in players filter, now 2.9 is regular in all varients, 1.3-2.9 they report on the packs'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that could be, but then how come when you search for it on google you get very little discussion about it?'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'either you're hallucinating (at best, you are misremembering), or nobody cares as much as you think they should.'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'either way, you're fast losing any credibility you might've once had.'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't care what you think of my mental stability, it's stronger than people who deny the truth anyways'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'smokers are easy targets for sin tax....no one cares'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'smoking is hilarious'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can face it pretty good, and the evidence is there'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'all the people enslaved to a drug that slowly kills them'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'while the people producing it get rich'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'yeah...like oxygen'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'almost makes you wonder at the hypocrisy of the legalize pot people.'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so god created tobacco, and zeus threw a thunderbolt which lit up a forest next to a village and people who were without sin inhaled some sinful tobacco smoke, but did god add some cyanide and strictnine and radioactive lead to the mix, or just make the plant?'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'shrug, I'm all for legalisation of pot'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'hold on lemme ask'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if it was just the plant the average lifespan of a smoker and the amount of smokers would go up and go down'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'people have the /right/ to smoke whatever they want imo'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'agreed'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'ah, so you go looking for some cannabis and you get some angel dust laced cannabis and a dead teenager who experimented with the soft drugs in hard drugs '
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that makes about as much sense as what you're trying to defend about stupid smokers'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'is why you grow ur own'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'QC'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'well, obviously lacing weed sucks'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'that's a separate issue'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'if it was legalised that wouldn't happen for the most part'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'prohibition in general fails'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'most pot is laced.  Most pot was laced starting a long time ago.  So much so that people from 'nam were all "what the fuck is this shit?!  This ain't pot!"'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i never read about a prohibited substance who's prohibition enforcers weren't given to making money from it's propagation through them alone'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'depends how far down the chain you are.....if you are pretty close to the grower it's probs not laced'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'if it is legalized.....it will not be legal to grow for the individual....only for the big company....like tobbaco is now'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the us government even got in on the alcohol smuggling racket in the 1930's new york'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quiet Nuala: 'You want crappy pot, then yeah - legalize it and let the government produce it - it will suck beyond your wildest dreams.'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'CIA supposedly smuggled opium from laos, thailand and other asian places back and forth in the 70's and 80's'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'supplied shipments of cocaine grow ops on nicaraguan airforce bases'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'shrug, if it's legal then you can grow your own'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'other stuff like that, it's all there for your judgement of their reality or not'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'central intelligence agency which advises where the military goes in on something they call illegal in the borderes they claim to protect is some bad stuff isn't it?'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'cocaine just washes up on shore in Nicaruagua.  There's even a small town there whose entire economy is based on walking the beaches picking up bricks of coke all day long.'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or drug enforcement agency, sometimes they were exposed in on the joke too'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how fucked up does it get?  don't criticize the poor'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'FYI the CIA is coming to the national forests of NOR-CAL to "ferret out cartel grows"'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'these others are living on government money protecting you from themselves'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't know, i know that money rules american world though, and lots of money's found in hard to get materials'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it gets a lot worse than that.  It's just unethical to talk about them, since it might incite instability.'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they even make black rhino's go extinct in africa because their horns are so luxurious, and albino negroes are the fancy ingredient for voodoo witchcraft'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '250,000 bucks a albino negro, awesome business opportunity for a ex soldier agent kind of person'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i bet the big drug dealers have more submarines than canada'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and canada has themselves some crown diamond oil gold mines around the place to buy a million times a million submarines and build them from their own soil'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're doing everything that's in your best tax payer interest though, look at that lent money sports stadium.. awesome'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'for every thing called an essential service by the government, should there be a law against privatization of the procurement of that service and it's resources, all handled by the government paid for by the essential tax payer, or is it alright to piss in your pond and buy your water from nestle?'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'essential wiretaps, here's some international corporate internet wiring that all the nation's information flows through the foreign computers of, essential ipads in classroom's because computers replaced crayons'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the government doesn't even own the lines it's banks sell it's debts through'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bank of canada's a us stock exchange rate'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'ipad technology is intellectual property of a patent company which makes money making sure that everybody pays them for building stuff'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but if you want to get your grade 12 you need to pay them for it'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'esssential services by the government, missing clause on the declarations of independence'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you can't even operate a gas pump, which involves pressing a handle on a nozzle, and pressing a series of 4 or more button's in an easily grade 1 distinguishable pattern, without your grade 12, which you have to pay a patent company for the attainment of, and have to also gain a liscence in most urban settings'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'which is privatized too, strangely enough'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you want to survive, you have to play with the real mafia?  do you see what i'm asking you to explain to me?  i like to know the basic elements of this world's system's so i can coexist with them, vlad the impaler was a openly corrupt kind of guy for instance, people who said otherwise got impaled on his lawn'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so if i was every around vlad the impaler i would strike first, cause i knew he planned to strike me anyways - it's basic stuff, and the reason why you can't explain nothing to me'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Vlad wasn't as simple as that.'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you crazy folk never are.'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i know, history is complex, and hollywood overexemplified the fictional identity of countess bathory the nazi germany hungarian royal family heir'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Your mom is simple, however.'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'believe it or not, in 100 years, the fictional additions to bathory will be the new history guidelines'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Give her a cock and she's ready to blow, can't get much simpler than that unless you have a shotgun, which doesn't require money or talking.'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i thought of driving my truck into their fort macmurray clubhouse a few times'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think i could at least take down a few of the hostiles before they stopped me'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'crush their rotten corpses to pulp and sacrifice their master to satan'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm a pretty patient person though, i only act when neccessary for survival'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and i try not to falsely accuse people, which the mind can do often, like now, you can be thinking anything you want and believe it's real, even if it's not'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'thinking's like a lifejacket sometimes, prevents homicide, suicide and all kinds of sides'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'apparently Aldo Gonzalez has a pretty strong case that monsanto's genetics are mutating millenia old natural corn crops in south american and mexico, which is against the law's of those lands, carried on the wind and other things, one leaf 3 cobs'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Robert Shapiro on the other hand says they have asperger's syndrome and therefore are a little schizophrenic, while defending his intellectual stock exchange'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm more on aldo's side in the arguement, after observing some bankrupt farmer's daughters for sale on the las vegas strip and stuff like that, from the lawyerly patents of essential services (back to my original question)'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you have an simple answer to whether or not the government should make sure essential services and abilifiers are a #1 preservative prioritization, that's what i'm about'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'seems like a foreign military move to me'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yep, they had no patented intellectual 'product' of shapiro's prosecution knowingly planted on their soil, but their crops showed the genetical modification's, having been destroyed after thousands of years of preservation'
T3/r5/2011-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think intellectual property people are the biggest enemies of the world than all the terrorists on it combined, as labelled by people'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i just watched a bbc documentary on this place in california where pedophiles spend the rest of their lives after being released from prison, for each person there the administrators get paid 200,000 dollars per year, which both the staff and the inmates in the video called warehousing them, that's 4-6 normal working peoples paycheques per inmate per year spent on the people who staff the place, after expenses of pre-existing furniture and realatively low cost upkeeping, how much are they walking away with a smile for every day, and how much is actually neccessary for the beneficiency of the population there?  if you see a show where the inmates are calling the staff at the place they arrived at after prison, more corrupt and the most corrupt thing he ever seen, there's probably something fucked up isn't there?'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'tl;dr'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I'm not going to read that'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav nods at Rascally Ryke.
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one guy actually opted to get castrated physically in order to show to society that he can be released from their after prison program called face or something, to the public'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'pretty morbid but they done it - 200 thousand bucks per person per year, more than 250 people on welfare and 4 - 5 and maybe 6 average paying job's that can barely afford to pay the rent, called warehousing pedophiles in luxury while they don't intend to release 70% of them to the public ever again'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's understandable they're human beings and done some hard time and require some relatively normal lifestyle after, but those initial costs and costs of upkeep don't seem to add up to more than like they say , corruption'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you're a clinical psychiatrist who doesn't have to do his job because he runs a large warehouse of the released sex offenders and hires supermodels to test the erections of them in clinical studies requiring your specific phd because you're special, how come i could tell when they were making stuff up on the bbc documentary and when they were touching on sincerity then?  i wonder if most of the staff of that place was molested as children and see a opportunity to exploit their expertise upon the people who molested children like them, free money unlike the other victims, or what else would land them in that job position?'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'check it out, it's a good question'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think their head psychiatric doctor preferred fornication and lived a predatory lifestyle at his 200,000 per patient tab'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i bet the CIA never looks into things like that among their employees though'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalinga_State_Hospital check it out, it would be nearly the perfect crime wouldn't it?  the bbc host informs the viewer that most of these people got here by deceiving people like the bbc director, so does that mean that the extravagant paycheques after initial costs are paid off are placed into good pockets, or pockets that deceive just like those who are held by them?'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that entire facility probably costs in the neighbourhood of 150 million dollar's with land claim's included, say there's 15,000 prisoners rehabilitating times 200,000 dollar's, that's 2 billion dollar's times 15'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in one year alone'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'see any problematic points in this system of rehabilitation and probably never be released incarceration?  rich men hire bodyguards who cost less than 1 prisoner there in one year, and some of these rich men are very evil people'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't think that's excuse for death camps or nothing like that though, some people figure that should be the case, more an issue of accounting, relatively comfortable living costs as opposed to what it costs to live outside the facility, and how come ten noncriminals have less money spent on them in a year in creating job opportunities or even basic welfare and renting accomodations in the noncriminal civilian population, than how do they con the man who conned all of those jobless people of their life's worth into paying them all of those peoples life's worth in catering to the needs of a select few pedophiles who are released from prison but not among the population yet?'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you find a very smart man and ask him how much it costs to ask him a question, he won't have any figures the he doesn't doubt'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'uncle sam looks like a sex offender from this angle, maybe you might want to unstain that profile'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bamboo: 'Pancakes = best food in the world.'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bamboo: 'Pancakes = still the best food there is.'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '50 million bucks a guy got paid 4-5 years ago to keep silent on the natural cure for type 1 and type 2 diabetes he found, and destroy all of the evidence of his research'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Says who?'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'university of calgary research scientist paid to keep silent'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'david trudeaux on an interview i think'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'lol, as if the drug company who found it wouldn't leverage it as a 'maintanance needed' cure and make billions off it...'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'girl from 3's company suzanne summers got cured of breast cancer in a foreign nation and they never mentioned it on the news, only that she went to another country for treatment'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'kevin trudeaux is his name'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'People get 'cured' of cancer all the time - problem is any cure only works on some people, not all (so far)'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'he's a crackpot who is trying to get people to buy his shit, which is why his books just said 'OMG there are all these wonderful cures the FTC won't let me distribute, SUBSCRIBE TO MY WEBSITE FOR DETAILS''
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Dr Oz likely already "revealed" a natural (prevention) cure for diabetes: a decent diet and don't be overweight'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the research scientist remains un-named but at the university of calgary the scientist developed a deal that would have cured diabetes using natural supplements, and he was paid 50 million dollar's to destroy all of the evidence, kevin knew about it, but he didn't say how he knew about it'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'kevin trudeaux is being sued for millions and millions of dollars by drug companies and all kinds of people and has won in court'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he lets people in on stuff like this which is counterproductive, i guess'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Kevin Trudeau admitted in his book that he deliberately publishes outrageous claims'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Won in court how? He keeps getting fined for the FTC for making shit up. '
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe part of a settlement agreement with the prosecution's army'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Damnit Druzil just take your pills, you are a good guy to talk to when you aren't flipping out'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think that's most likely what it is'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Trudeau is a complete crackpot and the conspiracy theories he makes up are in order to avoid having to produce any proof of his claims '
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like they couldn't prove that the white powder didn't regenerate limbs on that one boy from florida, but they found it interesting on weird or what?  shapiro's the kind of lawyer who'd be taking him to court to pressure him to see his side of intellectual property of biodiversity and thing's like truth'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Dude, if they found a way to regenerate limbs it'd be all over the medical journals and not just in the national enquirer.'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as it says in teh satanic bible, the biggest trick the devil ever played was convincing the world he did not exist'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'read the disclaimer in the Kevin Trudeau book:  More natural "cures" revealed '
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so cures exist but are demonized because they are beneficial but negligent to the structures of BSDM control that oversee the inherited empire of the tyrant's'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Yeah, but you interpret that as "If someone claims they're trying to keep him quiet he must be telling the truth."'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not at all, if my grandma believes it, it has some likelihood to it'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'she's a smart woman compared to most'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Smart people can be fooled as well.'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'As a matter of fact, smart people are often more likely to be fooled because they're used to being right, so they believe things without fact-checking them.'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and everything i talked about is readily available to the naked inquiring eye, as is the two drug deals just discussed by the economist on CTV news, along side a shady character's chess square'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'like Nash, when he was asked how he could have believed those crazy things from his schizophrenia, he said "Well, the ideas came to me the same way my mathematical ones did, so I believed them too."'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if all them thing's line up so firmly, then how could it be false to assume that the exact opposite nature of what placed them together is making the people who oversee each piece different?'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'pretty easily ?  opposites attract, but the ugliness in the world doesn't reflect from the higher power's, like genghis khan from the international monetary fund'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: ''how could it be false to assume' - there is a flaw in your logic right about there...'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he just chose those name's randomly and happened to be in a hidden place of control over international valuation of human life, under which you are slaved'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'chapter 3 "Read this or they'll kill me" ... Therefore do not believe anything you read in this book.  (verbatim quote from the book)'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no such thing as real deep rooted and stable international enemy of humanity that linger's throughout every country and system made by man on earth, it's so unlikely that everywhere people folllow the trend of proving that assumption false'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you a atheist or a liar?'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Can I be a lying atheist?'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you can be both a non-believer in god and acknowledge that you can't prove that - now you're onto something'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Quite easy to see the historical manipulation of what may or may not have been a legit faith into modern Christianity'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And yet so many people blindly follow - I'd prefer they blindly follow science, tbh'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, really, kingdom of god, cast out the beam from thine own eye before you can see clearly to remove the mote from thy brothers, decapitation of dissenter's in some incarnation's, destruction of foreign enemy's in other's, infiltration of their mentality's to be subjective little boy's against the nature of being a man while the emperor fondles those women who were supposed to be their wives'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'costly markups, they make this stuff all intelligently and no system should go unjudged on this world '
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'anybody with children should make sure they fully understand the implications of their future in the hands of these people who currently 'correct' thing's'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Chapter 3 of the Kevin Trudeau book end with:  By the way, although i look like i am in my early forties, i am really seventy years old ... but that means nothing. The stuff in this book really doesn't work!'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Sure, because he wrote the book because he kept getting fined for lying, and books, unlike infomercials, are protected speech under 1st amendment.'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'But the book really says 'subscribe to my website!''
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if people stopped breeding, then you would see the biggest flag in the history of humanity raised in the air, and the powerlessness of your enemy battled with full force by the enemy who hides in the shadows while you don't acknowledge his problems for you to be snared in'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as it is now, your children born onto any soil on earth pay homage to somebody elses children who protect them, most likely from people they would hire to infect them if they didn't pay the taxes'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sometimes breaching their system of false trust by a human sacrifice for the higher culling of owning the whole pack of people here, what's one out of 100?  i got 99 more at my command now!'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'in retrospect, that book is somewhat an amusing "masterpiece?" '
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Got 99 problems but a human sacrifice ain't one...'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they've done this forever, there's no point in pretending the same thing from forever ago isn't in the now ago in the future past that is this moment remembering itself'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i look forward when the sphinx opens up it's eyes and tells people why it was built'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Oh wow...that should be in your desc, right there'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, it's a potent example of what money can't do'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'With enough money, I could mechanise the Sphinx, so when I approached it (surrounded by media) it opened its eyes and spoke to me'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's a fake sphynx, not a place in the desert that is older than your oldest remembered ancestor's bones'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'real sphynx meant something different, something before maybe even money was invented, maybe after, who knows when currency was found'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'caesar could have looked forward to you looking back and installed some evidence of the legitimacy of his claim'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Um, archeologists have a pretty good grasp on when markets moved from barter to currencty'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't trust nothing, like i said, you believe ^^ just like that'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Have you seen the Sphinx first hand? How do you then know it exists?'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't, like i said i'm a near complete skeptic, i judge every event itself'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some slip by unseen like a blur in the shadow's, but the blur was remembered even if the details weren't all seen'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So...did you enjoy the Matrix film?'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'You? A skeptic? Hardly... you were giving full credence to Trudeau's claims earlier.'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'where did i do other than contest that your arguement that his claim was honestly dealt with in a court of truth is quite possibly and leaning more towards than away from corrupt and easily disproven based upon the nature of various constituents of the pharmaceutical industry and monopoly of thought'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'You stated what he said as if it were fact. '
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some pretty rich guy's saying some amazing thing's there, did he pull them out of a iron buddha like the h r giger's painted alien movies, or was it something more naturally inspired towards beneficiency, which isn't very present in the tumourous artwork of that other's'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's just his way of dealing with negativity i guess, maybe the other's is to pretend that there's cures that don't exist so that you say there is if there is one, snap, or otherwise'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'You also seem to think that a) the government is corrupt and b) this guy says the government is corrupt and they're trying to shut him up imply that c) everything else he says is correct.'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"Eating fast food causes cancer, diabetes, heart disease, and dozens of other illnesses" (ch6 "Fighting Back" p67 more natural cures revealed) '
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can see how you want me to see him, and i see some other ways of seeing these events too, like GMO corn crops in 1971 USA being wiped out by a plague which only the non GMO corn were able to adapt to, resulting ain a 73% overall yield loss'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and those GMO corn patents travelling into mexican preservations where those seeds are never sown by hand, and natural corn was grown for thousands of historic years to those culture'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and then how is the implications of how come they get away with this manifestation of proven consequences to their products and propogate it through foreign nature like rape?'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they mention that the leaders of the FDA and many supreme court judiciary officials are typically large stockholders with promise of higher investment opportunities if the cide with the company they don't apologize for'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'eating fast food certainly isn't good for you.'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the four horsemen of the apocalypse are readying to bring "pestilence, famine, war, death"'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's true, how about pork machine pigs, pigs which they use the innarxds of on human surgery they're so similar, patented GMO produce of a offspring of the pharmaceutical component of monsanto, who now is into the human organ department, pending acceptance of it's patents on human life itself from a place called singapore'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're not much of biblican angels if they rely on man-made cruelties to fulfill tehir heavenly prophet's, but i wouldn't put it beyond a heavenly prophet to see their musings'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'to bankrupt Monsanto, a contageous disease that specifically targets Monsanto products'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i've considered that before yes, intelligently designed flaw's in terminator crops that makes not even outlaw grow's unsucceptible to their contagious grasp over their mortality, and who's dna is obscured enough that they can't be targetted individually from a select group of individual's for selective extermination at their decree?'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'holy shit, freak flu bug only targets people with 3 fingers and 8 toes'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that makes awesome sense, perfecting the killing art while installing it's abilifier and forcing it into the bloodstream of all of your victims'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i've noticed that not very many people scrutinize this in enough depth to give it any creedence within the unforseeable, but proven fatal accidents of the future'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'biblical justification of the destructionss spoken of in the Apocalypse: "And unless these days be shortened, no flesh is likely to be saved" '
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if there's a problem that is in their prophets they will say alright this is how we do this cause this is what we meant when we invented our false prophet, but if they rely on the power of people's misunderstanding and fear to let them through the gate's to their eternal soul here on this world, then they won't walk so lightly, because they have a big problem that they are being cued on'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'disclaimer:  the judao-christian bible(s) torah midrash and scriptures are fictions'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, interpreter's of an apocalypse that only people 4000 years ago could bear witness to, before their minds were erased and programmed by the new sights'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe gods on the world are like paths for arrows to take and since they ultimately represent nothing they must change sights to give them spiritual momentum in the minds of mortals'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i read an interesting article like that, it was about priest used as conduits for human batteries which fuel divine interventions though'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"(un)just a spoonful of truth makes a deceitful liar-fiction go down in a most horrid religious say" - Mary Pillpopper'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'fiery arrows of the wicked metaphor from gospel'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who dares to question it's meaning, how do you raise your shield against what's not seen with your mind, your invisible shield?'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the unknowns scary, people fear what they don't understand, some people make the most of use of that they can, but in moderate dosages so that they can slowly fuel their intuitiveness throughout the aeons like the cenobyte's having a climactic orgy of repetitive pain which they savour every nibble at the completion of before refraining from eat until they have another spoonful of consumption'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"priest used as conduits for human batteries which fuel 'divine' interventions" -- but is that how the church attempts to redescribe paedophilia these days'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'good and evil, they was so happy after the war ended, they was sad that they had to go to war against their will's'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they didn't like to be raped, they liked to rape them while they did it, it wasn't their fault, it was the order's to humiliate the opposition, the opposition's children were happy to not being raped quite as much'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they heard parents details of some of what they were too ashamed to tell them'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '-b '
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i guess the rapists are raping their own children eventually in these cultures, doesn't seem to change much does it?'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'paedophilia was a crime to be noticed under the direction of some dictator's, he would have them instantly murdered if they noticed he was being himself in his gaze'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's not new to any church on earth, there's no clergy of divine pedophile's who alone are or came from a time or place where those were the normal way's the cows did things'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not that i seen reported anyways, like the sphinx i haven't lived through all times or places or even seen the sphinx firsthand to confirm they're not playing jedi with me'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'paedophilia is a disease of homosexuality and sex-perversion'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a disease of the mind too'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Actually, I'd call it an over-active sex drive thats been demonstrated to have existed for thousands of years.'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Pedastery in Greece for example.'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a disease of desires'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Pederasty, sorry.'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can't prove demons do or don't exist, but from a psychological perspective i think it is partly related to perverting memories of pain and pleasure and jealously with desire for punishment by a tempted god, who is slow to anger in the religious trials'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'We call it a disease because it's so foreign to our culture, but there are cultures that still practice pederasty as an accepted social convention.'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like some pedophile's claim they felt compelled in the moment to do as they did, they were untaught in the language of their minds and something drew them towards their actions, maybe not fully understood and invented by their own mind's, making them not 100% indictable sometimes, because they were led by ignorance and not by knowledge of the processes that regulate their conscious body'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i heard about some of those normal cultures, thing is in some of those places the people aren't far removed from murderous tyrants who alone had the weapons to use against the survivor's children, who could have taught them any amount of perverted pain's to take pleasure in'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'look at the story's of a south african town of 500 or 5000 p eople being raped in front of it's male citizens because they were unarmed and had no law to protect them, against the number of 1/10th to 1/100th the size of rapists, who were armed'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Well, now you're talking about rape though. That isn't pederasty.'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'decency demands the euthanisation of those perverted pederasty-accepted-social-convention cultures, asap!'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the people who make guns and sell guns make sure that people can't defend themselves against one another with gun's, that's a problem, so are guns, why can't people fight face to face with their fists'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and david put a rock on a rope and beat up the bully goliath, maybe he was a bully, i wasn't there, maybe it was a metaphor for a bullet and how no matter what the nature of the person whoever has the gun is the new god of the bible'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"Happiness is a warm gun" -- the Beatle support the NRA'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'There's a tribe, I believe it's in New Guinea, that believes semen contains the essence of manhood. So when boys are 12 - 15, they literally suck it out of the adult males in the tribe. Cross-cultural Psychology classes, money well spent.'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the picture of abortions or something like that for sale on pawn star's in las vegas on history tv banned record cover in america is interesting as the quote is'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some meat shop cover of a 60's album'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sold for quite  a bit of money, original american censorship and everything'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the homosexual reporting that fantasy about New Guinea natives may also be a liar'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, learning about cultures is interesting, but i don't want to be much of an ass kisser more of a communicator, i only learn about people as a side effect of researching the issues that i see in my mind'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'music has alot of information, i meditate while i listen to it i guess, let the mind wander wherever it goes and see what it arrives at as understanding, alot of time's it's pretty horrible, but so is the world'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i like to go wherever i go and be myself and be satisfied that i didn't trespass'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if my mind thinks a bad thought about those around me i will attack the bad thought and watch to see why it was there, if it recurrs and i see a smirk i consider demonology '
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I was with you on that 'til you hit Demonology.'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'on the other hand sometimes i destroy things with my mind, not in this world but my mind, like a boxer destroys a punching bag with his fists'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think that's alright, even if it makes me somewhat of a pacifist, at least i'm not hurting anybody who doesn't deserve to be hurt as a result of my frustration at injustice and cruelty'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can't explain it without idea's of something that isn't read from my expressionless face having intervened and made them smirk'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'and if somebody wanted to justify the euthanisation of new guinea natives so the lands may be 're-appropriated", they may be encoraging the spreading of tales that those natives are perverts and unworthy of respect'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i look around to confirm that i look like me in the mirror, i look around to look at others looking like themselves, i look at the one looking at me out of the corner of his eye and mocking me and i wonder where he derived his obsession from'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or she'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'send in the diseased missionaries to provide "extreme unction" to the natives'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's real stuff, but can only be experienced and not discussed because it sounds absolutely lunatic, but lunatics don't often need proof to pursue their lunacies, no trends only mania, taken by force of instinct, visions of hostility blinding their minds like mad human disease, i watch all of those thing's about myself while testing the reality of the unknown and what it possibly is, suffice it to say that through the experiences of evil inflicted upon my mind and body i've developed a form of religion that assumes god based on the presence of his adversary'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'smallpox and british columbian islands, things like that i know about it, these countries are founded on filth'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'You are intense man'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'thing is that alot of the people who moved to them fled from filth going to happen or happening in their old lands and had advertisements listed there that they can run here for a change, and they weren't the original criminal families that they were subsequently blamed for'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert is agreeing with that Alixana's Gregor person again...
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't blame a german as being a nazi because of what happened in world war 2, if somebody comes from german background and fled to canada because they didn't like what was transpiring in germany before the holocaust, then how are they taking part in the deeds of that man?'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'perhaps the christian republicans chant: those pervert natives require to be taught "religion" - send in the missionaries (maybe relocate the paedophile clergy there)'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Ok. I never thought I'd say this, but Dru is making way more sense than you are Xyliz.'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I know what he's getting at, you're still on about those natives.'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you're born in cambodia and i'm born in saskatchewan, how can i blame you for being one of them while you point the finger at me as your reason for suffering taught by your master, while neither of us knows eachother and both pay homage to a man who rules the land we are born in - canada is multicultural so there's all kinds of canadian colors to hide behind as they patriotically attack those of that color's representation in a foreign land'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'for they have been there first hand and know the actuality's of all of the claims made throughout their time about foreign land's and those who had the money to traverse them'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'I have a feeling Druzil is going to win this debate'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i never seen a native american high up politician in canada or america'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no senator or premier that i'm aware of, no overseeing environmental minister'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'Druzil are you a bot?'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Actually, Canada has several native bands who self-govern. We don't have any (that I know of) because they have their own political structure that they participate in.'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz muses sagely "so somebody wants a detailed explanation of the reasoning used, with footnotes or pedo-notes." (tsk tsk) (grim sarcasm)
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'Druzil has gotta be a bot......'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the endurance is pretty good, and the patience, like a crazy person in a padded cell swatting at flies projected fro doctor plato's mind onto my walls'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'it's like he has no clue of anything that's going on around him'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nah, i'm just crazy and full of some kind of fuel that makes me forever angry and unable to express my frustration in any lasting term's beyond death, and i don't really want to die or to kill anybody'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I've talked to him before and he has, he may just be lost in his own little world right now xD'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'so you just sit around typing about it all day?'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'he is not a bot'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'no saying there is anything wrong with that, just asking'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's pretty cool, i close my eyes and things i hate arrive to take me on nightmare's before i sleep, sometimes unconsciously a alright dream will arrive, those are moments of serenity to me, every moment of every day is filled with extreme psychological torment and physical pain dulls in comparison to it and i contest with misconceptions as way to relieve stress'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'pretty much'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not much different than a diary, only here they can claim to invent what i invented and that's alright with me, cause it reminds me of my problem'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'wow man'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'You see, I get that...but.....it must be like 1/100 of what you get'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'does typing on debate actually improve things for you though?'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'can't fix what you can't see is what they say, so if there is problems that cannot be seen but impact you anyways, and me too because i drink water and eat food, but i have no wife or kids or future that i'm aware of so have not as much of a pressing desire to fix the future as to wonder why you aren't fixing it with respect to the problems i sometimes list'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'even unseen problems often have tangible causes'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm able to reason as both the antagonist and the possibly nonexistant protagonist within my conflicting mind and detail strategy's that they are possibly using against eachother, due to the continued insurgence of evil reflected from the media that reports about the real world'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'Well, the world is pretty crooked I agree there.'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'You talk about your own non-existent future, do you think the planet of earth has a long-lasting future in that case?'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't see much benefits in not ultimately defining terrorist or absolutely identifying the consequences of dealing with them, since they exist in one person mind as a hero in anothers as adversary, i can't identify which they are but they continue to not be solved by the other guy's offensive maneuver's, while in the other guy's nation morality declines on a ever increasing detrimental pattern towards negative infinity and they claim the problem isn't there where they are instead of there where the enemy is'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so who exactly is terrorist and what is definition of terrorist for absolute dictionary'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'Definition of terrorist depends entirely on your perception'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can't reason out why else doctors in canada would be reported on the media as having prescribed thalidomide to mother's in canada from 1947-1962 after the fall of berlin, coming home as trusting war hero's no longer sent to war, having their offspring fed contagions which result in halt infants forever defiled by the negligence of the government, and then claim to be absolutely the absence of a terrorist'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'and he's gone again, earth to druzil'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i agree there 100%, i see thing's through many imaginary sets of eye's and perspectives of thing's'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'As do I......'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's real stuff though, reported by somebody who lived through those days and also my grandparents who were through those day's, in europe in the early 1950's they had widespread publicized accounts of birth defects as ar esult of thalidomide'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'I must say you don't seem to be getting anywhere fast though'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'not that I necessarily blame you'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'canada was part of the conquerors of europe's germany and had people stationed there who would have ferreted that information back to the doctor's in canada'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but that didn't happen for over a decade'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that is a indication to me that the threat isn't very far removed from the law at home'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'Man, it would be so awesome if you could channel that energy into something useful'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'judges make alot of money to judge unrighteously'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'druzil make a documentary about demons who ate mcdonalds for 60 days in a row'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'oh I would watch that'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it would cost the world 700 trillion dollars per year to give everybody 100,000 dollars per year to survive on the products of their own making'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'whew, they all realized money was a figment of their imagination and totem on their enslavery'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'money is debt'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'to pigs?'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'the economy relies on taking an exponential rate of resources out of the earth'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'either the economy collapses or the earth gets destroyed'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'monsanto has no soul but owns pig patents on human beings, who are going to be owned by the metaphorical pigs after they're done with the FDA's propogation of their terminator species'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'robocop style'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'after the economy collapses the earth probably still gets destroyed'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'there is no real way to prevent it'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, and we're born into a society that prevent's itself from existing fairly that would never investigate such a nobel science as selfless invigoration of the unknown mortality date of this world'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'problem is, humans don't have the capability of governing themselves fairly. Look at the multitude of different governments that have been tried.'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i could say a date and a time in the future when the world would end and write it on some tablets somewhere and bury them in my garden and they coudl be found in 10,000 years by a archaeologist who discovered this great sign that's not too far away'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'easy to talk about the future when you're not walking in it and know nobody in your kingdom will survive you into that distant horizon'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most people seem to invent religions of total destruction of this earthly prison cell which they make worse on others, not only themselves, and justify through their own mortality, which is unfair like the god they teach's destination for everything here on the ever decreasing biodiversity of earth'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they have no proof of their claims'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but they use it to justify corruption here in the world they know through lies of a future if you don't do anything about it'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's one way some people see some metaphorical devil's and their work, it's pretty all encompassing and doomsday like and makes some people afraid, but existance is scary and so should be it's creator if there is one'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you're intelligent, therefore intelligence exists, is there a intelligence above the psychiatric abstraction of chemistry that exists?'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'yup'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'chemistry wasn't very widely used in modern psychiatry until the 1950's, and alot of it was arrived at through aspirations of warfare and supplanting the opponent's ability to resist your invasion'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'here smokey plant, make you dizzy - cannabis, but it also was used by medicine men for treatment along with lots of other herbs and spices and exercises, now ginger root is no match for omeprazole, which the doctor 99.9999% of the time doesn't inform the consumer of the patented derivation of'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'hey what do you know about omeprazole?'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'if you don't mind saying'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so you could take a stomache medicine that comes from a root of a herb, or else a synthetic variety, but there's no much money in the former unless you're patenting it through monsanto, and then there's twice as much money when you can synthesize your patent into a chemical alternative'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not much, except that the doctor gave it to me'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'yeah same here that's why I was wondering'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'and you are saying giner root is an alternative?'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'ginger*'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'for it's stomache acid treatment yep'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'that is easy to find n stuff?'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mostly grows in asia i guess'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'you can't like go into a health shop or something?'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so if you're scrounging around a forest you're not very likely to find it growing anywhere'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, there's it there'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'cool thx'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'I will get some 2moro'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'seems like a joke until you see how worm's can exist in intestine's and be passed through feces, and seagulls travel long distances sometimes, and could shit some consumed contaminated fish from canada onto anywhere else in the world'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if that's how it seems to you'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'those worms aren't naturally occurring, like the synthetic varieties aren't naturally occurring, if used with beneficiency in mind caution is taken more often than greed'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you seen it for yourself you might never look at a plate of sushii the same way again'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'fat ass worms almost an inch thick bundled together in the neck of a living fish, just beneath it's gills, crawling throughout it's body while it tries to survive in man's habitat for it'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm trying to figure out how human's plan to escape being consumed by worms while not being dead yet, and logicize how come they make it happen knowing what they're doing very well'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'doesn't demonology make some sense when you consider the mortal nature of the decision makers against the possible reasons behind their decisions?'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you enjoy living like a pig and eating everybody for free taking whatever you want because they worship your money, you don't want them to all be eaten by worms including yourself from a seagull shat, because what fun would that be'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'simple minded arrogant facade'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but underneath is a master strategist who has something else in mind, and is not me - i want to learn what it is he see's so i can discuss this problem with his belief'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dek: 'I wonder if the number of marriages will go down due to the mxit situation'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'probably not, but the holiday cyber season looks to be bleak indeed!'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'more people think the democrats are doing it wrong, yet they still blame the republicans for the supercommitted failure.'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'past the point of no return already....its gotta break first to get any movement'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'I read that as "supercommitted fairies"'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'And I was disappointed when I read it again and politics went back to being boring.'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'It's true - what we really need in politics is some supercommitted fairies.'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'put tebow on the super committee, he'll get it done'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if this survey is anything to go on, we need someone who not only has the successful proposal but is also willing to cave so that the wrong proposal gets implemented.  He'd be guaranteed a win in the next election.'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'so basically, we need a Texas Ranger coach calling the plays.'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Dear Americans: Please deal with your government. Sincerely, The World.'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'scary stuff can be implied there, UN downgrading half of famine zone's, ethiopea's soldiers 'enter' somalia on another article'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://www.aljazeera.com/ hopefully everything's not negative though, i guess they could be getting assistance and that's why they report a downgrade in the problem'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor and the past 3 generations raised on beliefs of how wealthy and lucky they are in contrast to african people, where evolution says mankind began and ran away from'
T3/r5/2011-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i find it a little too similar to be absolutely unrelated at all, but since there's no teaching of the system there is no public knowledge available, and it's all speculation, but maybe they just had a bad harvest or something, for a few decades'
T3/r5/2011-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'Premise: The Roman's 'accidental' destruction of the Library at Alexandria is equivalent to their destruction of the Druid oral history at the battle of Anglesey. True or False.'
T3/r5/2011-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Farseer: 'hay'
T3/r5/2011-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Parallel: 'I read not long ago that the Fed made 16 trillion in secret loans. Our deficit is 15 trillion. Doesn't that make us ! trillion in the black? I mean, once we take the Fed over, of course....:-P'
T3/r5/2011-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salaventar: 'Secret loans...  Where did you hear that?'
T3/r5/2011-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Parallel: 'it came out of the partial audit the did a couple of months ago, ill find a link here in a sec'
T3/r5/2011-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salaventar: 'I found an article.  The problem is that the 'loans' are really bailouts.  We'll never see the payback'
T3/r5/2011-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salaventar: 'more like -15 -16 = -31'
T3/r5/2011-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Parallel slaps himself on the head and yells, "DOH!"
T3/r5/2011-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'south africa is getting worse and worse. they'll drop aard from mxit and now this: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/11/22/1735240/south-africa-passes-secrecy-bill-makes-whistleblowing-a-dangerous-act'
T3/r5/2011-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I doubt the two are related.'
T3/r5/2011-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'did i say they were?'
T3/r5/2011-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz muses 'Natural: Str=276 Int=277 Wis=260 Dex=210 Con=201 Luck=276 Total=1500 -- where to train the remaining 25 stats for most defensive safety as a sc pMage: Int or Dex
T3/r5/2011-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you currently have 1500, or the +25 will put you at 1500?'
T3/r5/2011-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '25 potential plus 1500  is  1525'
T3/r5/2011-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'are you planning on ever remorting?'
T3/r5/2011-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'not for awhile - there are areas to explore and map, goals with portals and perks to do, gold, trains, tp to accumulate,  '
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bamboo: 'As I was saying, pancakes are better!'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'did i fart or did I pass gas?'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler lets off a real rip-roarer ... a greenish cloud envelops Dirkdiggler!
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Geez, what's that smell?  Guess Dirkdiggler needs to poop.
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Anyone find it curious that when the facts start to come out, the fundies run away?'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Geez, what's that smell?  Guess Dirkdiggler needs to poop.
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'vakieh im using this stall!'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler lets off a real rip-roarer ... a greenish cloud envelops Dirkdiggler!
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaxx: 'Yeah. The argument rarely continues once questions are asked.'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaxx: 'I wouldn't say I worship science, but I respect it's desire to be questioned and interrogated.'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaxx: 'its *'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The whole point is faith is believed, Science is questioned - all religions are the same as cults, the difference is size and political influence'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'I'd like to debate the reason behind us being pointed to this channel when there are no actual rules against discussing religion on gossip. :p'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaxx: 'Ha!'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaxx: 'I lack the Aardknowledge to meaningfully contribute to that.'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaxx: 'I'll leave that to the vets.'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fatzy Madcatz: 'Debate channel is for discussing controversial topics.  Would you like to debate if religion is a controversial topic?'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaxx: 'When I last played seriously, Citron was still here regularly.'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Sports channel is for sports, doesn't stop people from talking about stupid fucking football games on gossip, does it?'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fatzy Madcatz: 'If they go on for half an hour, yes'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I can understand the why, though the rules for gossip should probalbly be updated - WE NEED OUR LIMITS MAN, OR WE GO CRAZY'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaxx: 'lol'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Hrm. Probably.'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fatzy Madcatz: 'I would ask them to move to sports channel, and then nochannel them if they didn't'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'So half an hour is the limit now, eh?'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'I just like having clear rules to follow, that's all.'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fatzy Madcatz: 'I'm pretty sure "obey imms" is a clear rule.'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fatzy Madcatz: 'Whether you like the rule or not'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rascally Ryke buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'That said, debate is curse allowed, so I can say 'send all the fucking religious nuts to a Somalian Rape hospital and have them pray away the scary men with guns' here'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Let me put it another way. The rules should be laid out in such a way that it is possible to read them and not -need- an imm to come along and say, "Hey, stop that. It's against the rules even though it doesn't say so." I'm not arguing against the authority of the imms, just the fact that there are places which could use guardrails. :p'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'rules must be clear, open, and general. Joseph Raz, 1977'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fatzy Madcatz: 'Sports channel is for sports, barter is for buying/selling, question/answer channel is for questions/answers, debate channel is for debating and controversial topics.  All those are laid out in heplfiles.  What's not clear?'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'What's the purpose of gossip then? It seems that general chatter can encompass all of those.'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'And gossip is for general topics, which covers -everything-. :p'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bamboo: 'And gossip is for?'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'this debate debate is very controversial'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I think the confusion comes from those specific channels not being declared the *only* place for such discussion'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'gossip is for gossiping'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fatzy Madcatz: 'There's a difference between debating on gossip and continuing to debate on gossip after being asked by an imm to move it to debate channel'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'guys guys!!....should i wipe my ass 2 or 3 times when i go poop?'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Only channel for everything is curse'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fatzy Madcatz: 'No one is chastising you for starting the conversation on gossip channel'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: '2.5 is a good bet'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'thank god for this debate channel!'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'there is no god'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'discuss. [25]'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaxx: 'Dirk, I think 3 is the max. After that it might come back a little red.'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'hahhaha, i was about to say...or thank no god'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'yes there isnt!'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'How do blind people know when to stop wiping?'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaxx: 'smell?'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bamboo: 'Texture?'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'hahahaha'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'lets debate that....'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'when they stop getting poop in their bare hands?'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bamboo: 'How do they know if they stop getting poop in their bare hands?'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No, this is how - http://www.deadseriousnews.com/?p=426'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'guess you gotta lick your fingers?'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'feel, the blinds have enhanced sense of touch'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bamboo: 'TROLOLOL'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'btw thats offensive to me since im typing blind right now'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I take pleasure in offense - Satanist, remember :-P'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler sighs.
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i can type without looking at the keyboard too!'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'satanist means you still believe in god'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And I can wipe without looking'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'I like to troll Satanists by telling them they're Christians due to believing in God'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No, God is a fallacy concocted by anti-satanit cultists'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'u;n cwet fiis R UR'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'ant-satanist*'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Ant-satanists, oh my'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'DAMMIT KEYBOARD'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bamboo: 'I cam tope witjout lookung too!'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Do they swarm?'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'A satanist belives in god.'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'ant satanists are building a hill near my house'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'you can tell because they are red and have little pitchforks'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bamboo: 'Now, does this topic belong to this channel? =3'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'im debating that it does'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Are ant-satanists a controversial topic?'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bamboo: 'I'm debating that you debating that it does is... something debatable.'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nice typo, Ryke.'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'my grandma died while doing a horse porn....the horse cock impailed her when the straps broke...I'm DEBATING whether she will go to heaven or hell......'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'What?'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'lol'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Neither, Dirk.'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Not a typo, we're talking about actual ant-satanists!'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'there is no heaven or hell, only a grave or urn'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'oh....maybe I shouldn't have snorted her ashes'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bamboo: 'Apparently they make beads out of remains now, too,'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dek: 'and diamonds'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'anal bead of course'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bamboo: 'So that you can be with you "loved ones" every second.'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'That's not creepy at all.'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bamboo: 'Anal beads?'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'just goes to show you should never piss off your gay son or he might turn you into anal beads'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I want to be stuffed in the Naked Man position and put on display'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'anal beads are more useful than prayer beads'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'ooooooooooH !'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'burn!'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: '(Naked Man postition is the Thinking Man but with legs spread for best effect)'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'Thank you for that image'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Alternatively splayed on a lounge with one leg up'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'rofl'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bamboo: 'I want to be put into a drum, and pour cement in it, then thrown into the deepest oceans for aliens to discover me in the future.'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaxx: 'Definitely good reason to be nice to those who will live longer than you and be in control of your disposal.'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'whos to say aliens are interested in the ocean?'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'who isnt?'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bamboo: 'Who's to say they're not?'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'i love surfing and so will the aliens!'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'just you wait'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dek: 'ancient aliens made the ocean when they flew here and cried tears of joy'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'i heard it was alien jizz that made the oceans'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dek: 'according to crazy hair guy'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bamboo: 'Speculations say aliens are "studying" earth because of the huge mass of waters'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'i think the ocean is time traveling alien drool from staring at that farah fawcett poster'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dek: 'It is merely a collection of Sidney Crosby's tears'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I may also want to die alone in a house in the middle of nowhere, with the house stocked FULL of distilled water bottles, ammunition and weapons, canned uber-long-life food, etc. And a note - 'If you are reading this, the Zombies have taken over - feel free to use this house as a base camp, or to resupply - your pal, Dr Vakieh' - and then they see my skeleton, sitting on a carved wooden chair, with a half-smoked cuban and a bottle of whisky laying where my dead hands dropped them.'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I may have too much spare time...'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaxx: 'Sounds like the ending to a great novel!'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'wow....you put some thought into that huh?'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'some may see that as too specific, but i say not specific enough'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Wait until daily gives me a trivia potion - THEN you will see a short story to be proud of.'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'they just gonna find me in front of the pc with horse porn playing on loop and still touching myself...thats as far as i've thought'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaxx: 'Is there a big market for horse porn these days?'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'ask my mom'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaxx: 'or do you not get bored of the same stuff over and over?'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'im more into grandma porn'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'On a scale of teen to gggmilf?'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaxx: 'Is it more or less "wrong" (perception only) when they are too young or too old to know?'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Perception Only confused me - what else is there?'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaxx: 'Little else...but have to be clear or the g*D shit might start again.'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'What? God porn?'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'DID SOMEONE SAY GOD - Quickly Jeremiah, get the study books so we can learn us some heathens!'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaxx: 'God porn! That sounds like a market'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rascally Ryke: 'RULE 34 ON GOD PLZ'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'http://pbfcomics.com/archive_b/PBF016-Eden.jpg'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Worse - http://rule34-images.paheal.net/_images/7408d4c56f0e5f0a75208ebc69a289b7/516323%20-%20animated%20god%20religion.gif'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaxx: 'Awesome.'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Hrm. Does praying to a god in Aardwolf count as having a false idol for fundies? Do they not sac anything, and forgo daily blessings?'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaxx: 'I'm sure it counts under some special dispensation.'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaxx: 'or other convenient outlet.'
T3/r5/2011-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Motoko: 'Glad to know there's a debate channel. :)'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can't speak of confusion on imm'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'Oh thank god, this channel is far easier to see.'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one way is the amount of fuel neccessary to manufacture their assembly lines of components, unaccounted for, another is the nature destroyed in procuring it's material's, another is the high pay cheques of the people who build it, and a final is knowing they're never going to reach mar's wasting all of that together, but being reich nonetheless'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're human's, they don't sacrifice human's for space dreams'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that is no different than a shaman decapitating a messenger for his dead pharoah because that's what they did for thousands of years in egypt, and they still didn't reach the outer darkness in which he dwelt'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'science and religion have alot in common when held in the wrong hands'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it makes perfect sense in some schools of logic'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'Which school of logic did you attend?'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a hard self-taught through my own psyche'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'Is it difficult to get accepted?'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'with the odd philosophy and religion'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it doesn't come with patents, so yes'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Are you board certified?'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'bc I could use some easy credits, tbh'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't respect boards'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'Aw. I'd like to enroll, though. It seems like it's more interesting than most.'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i prefer thinkers'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a hindu belief is that eternal truth's and truth itself can be arrived at naturally and instinctually by the inquiring mind'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Replace 'eternal truth' and 'truth itself' with 'a link to the pantheon' and you are actually correct'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Though you may have meant Buddhism, in which case your subsequent statement stands as correct'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't look for perversions of truth, i look for what perverts them'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'some say Hindus were evolved ten thousand years ago, yet they fizzled'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'such as how much they like that water on mars and destroy the water on earth to fuel their trip there'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Hindus became corrupt and depraved, and they failed'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's a perverted truth, the truth is closer to hom'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Druzil, meet Xyliz, Xyliz, meet Druzil - Please marry, then after a month, post a transcript of your spouse channel to the web for science.'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ryke is agreeing with that Vakieh person again...
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'I wholeheartedly support this idea. ... I am completely serious. :p'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Buddhism failed to evolve into the development of advanced safe technologies'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'on aljazeera 1 year ago they posted a sign from allah of the moon receding from the earth, i research a little bit and find 2 rockets shot into the moon in search for 'water''
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'man-made mystical prophecy, a hoax in total with evidently real explosions, or what is it that they didn't tell the whole story of cause and effect'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I dreamt I would get hit by a car - the next morning, my little brother drove his RC into my leg - I AM VAKIEH, PROPHET ALMIGHTY'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the news tells what it wants to tell, not the whole story whieh did occurr congruently'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and i didn't share with yahoo my entire moon theory, because it is complex stuff'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'Yahoo is not known for their ability to process complex theories, this is true.'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'Have you considered Google?'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'to pronounce jupiter, you say jew - pitter, for animosity the future looks dim, in charge of world industry it looks black, now titan orbitting jupiter (who was a god during the time of jesus), uninhabitable but obsessed by astrophysicists as the next venture for finding energy extraterrestrially - while the amazon is removed for the gold they want to sell among other thing's, dead barren soils, toxic waste planet evolving, towards the moon of jupiter'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the heads of most industries are jewish, and they may have themselves a secret society that makes these things happen, their form of astronomy'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what else would fuel extinction of life on earth but angry people over the holocaust used as a nail on their actions?'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it seems heretic, but not outrageous, because the pieces line up, fake nasa landings and all'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's one of many theory's i have, because i don't see money as a driving force except on the peasant level's towards the end's that the upper echelon observes being eventual'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not being racist, neighther are all jews'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i just call black magic where i see it'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'Wait, what? We're into magic now?'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'What happened to science?'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i explained a simple explaination of logical black magic and mystical black magic to people before'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'Oh, so magic -is- science.'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'using elizabeth bathory as an example, they've added two fictions to her story for the 100 year scholars to accept as truth, some or most are led to believe that truth, and some are clueless - this is a magic of the mind and rewriting history'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'Any sufficiently advanced technology would be indistinguishable from magic and all that jazz, I guess.'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'charlamagne taught pre-germany germans how to behave under the whip after he murdered all of their parents who didn't do as he told them to'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so they're inclined to believe something's not wright here, but others are oblivious'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mortal black magic, domination '
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'That sounds like a perfectly reasonable method of motivating the working class.'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's a dishonest future for the world filled with endless conflicts based on misunderstanding'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'As a wise man once said, you have to know when to hold them and when to fold them.'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'erasing minds doesn't erase the shadows who may inform them of what happened, shamanism is an old sport, older than most religions'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Anyone watch that Pawn Stars show? I need the opinion of someone who watches it more than me (as in, anyone who watches it). Is that Chumley guy really that stupid, or is he faking it for the camera? Discuss!'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'faking it for the camera, if you notice, they have him write up the paperwork and pay the customers'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Phlip: 'I dunno. I really think that mug is that dumb. =) I mean, look at the guy!'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'they wouldnt let a moron handle the money and paperwork'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Phlip: 'true that, never noticed that before'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'ssome of each.  tthree of them were on who wants to be a millonare. he seemed brighter than I thought.'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Phlip: 'never really considered whether he was actually retarded or not lol'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'and the stagename name: Chumpley'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I really hope he's faking it. I mean, he can't be too bright to go on national TV and pretend to be that stupid in the first place, but seriously? The guy comes off like he'd need to be reminded to breathe every once in awhile.'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'its because he talks kinda stupid, it makes it easy to convince you he is dumb'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'not retarded, but I bet he does stupid stuff even when not on camera.'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'i have lived in LV since april and i still havent gone there'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Phlip: 'heh, I doubt they're ever there'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'nod they are probs only there for the taping anymore'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Phlip: 'except maybe to film'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'and made enough cash to hire some lackeys to do their day to day stuff'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Phlip: 'my bad, stacked that after during spellup'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I can't stand the show personally. I worked in a pawn shop for a few years to pay for school, and damn, too many memories. xD'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Phlip: 'I enjoy it just to see some of the items and learned about them'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Phlip: 'learn*'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'did anybody try to sell you a shrunken head?'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'it has some cool aspects but like every "reality" show they try to convince you that the stuff happening isnt contrived and planned'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'No. But I did have someone try to sell me a Sex Swing once, and couldn't understand why I wouldn't buy it.'
T3/r5/2011-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'lol'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in 1990 Drug companies claimed to spend about $5 million developing each new drug compound, and in 2010 they claimed $500 million to $1 billion, I think they are mistaking commercials on tv/radio/print as research costs. :p'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'they are, marketing is good for pharmaceutical companies'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MeisterP: 'its also the reason why many cheap drug research is not endorsed despite similar potential'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'US imports of oil has dropped from 12.5 million barrels per day in 2005, to 8.5 million barrels per day in 2011.  The % of imports has dropped from a high of 60% to 47% today, and continues to drop as more production comes online in the US.  The US is also almost 100% domestic on natural gas now compared to imports of almost 50% in 2005.'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'us owns every oil field that australian PAP service don't in canada'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's no such thing as a independent canadian oil company, who provides over 90% of it's yearly oil excavation's to foreigners'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the oil line through nebraska will make the amount of imports go down even a little bit more, cause they'll have duty free texas oil byproducts'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they produce barely nothing for oil from american soil, canada produces hundreds of times more, but america claims they produced it, it's called usurpation in the game of thrones'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's not one canadian industry that's not monopolized by america, and those american's usually are monopolizing america for a foreign nation'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'american media, they can't even provide their own pretenders and reporters, is owned by an australian and a saudi arabian king'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the wires we're talking through is owned by a billionairre mexican'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's teh swapping of land claims?  russian federate oil company has 17 leases that texas exxon gave them all across north america, in exchange for exxon drilling in russia'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'game of thrones'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'oh yeah, you can't dig holes in your own earth and suck shit out of it, we'll come do it for you, i see you use a fraction of a fraction of what you excavate in a year, but we want to leech you dry in our game of nonproducing monopoly'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's a british petroleum company from norway doing sucking holes in the ocean east of florida?'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'did you know that since Obama took office, our taxes have gone lower?'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Phlip: 'did you know since Obama took office more people than ever don't even pay taxes. yet people are still "occupying" wallstreet'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Derservis: 'what about his peace prize he graciously accepted without doin a damn thing.'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Obama said that in his latest speech, but in reality our taxes have gone up AND we're in for a major upset after 1/1/13 when the largest batch of his tax hikes go up.'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Phlip chuckles politely.
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Phlip nods.
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Phlip: 'I don't think he stands a snowballs chance in hell of getting reelected, but that's what my Dad said after Clinton's first term...'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zannugawa: 'He won't be back'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Derservis: 'aye i doubt he will as well'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Derservis: 'i wont cry much'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'his rival has not been decided yet. Can not say'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Phlip: 'heh, his rival is indeed already decided, it's just not official'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Phlip: 'the media decided that a long time ago'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Derservis sighs.
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'il'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'as long as his opponent isn't Ralph Nader, he doesn't stand a chance.'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Phlip: 'funny, nobody is going to question why Obama is absent from debates. not that I blame him'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Derservis: 'i dont know why i got involved. two things that should never be debated. politics and religon.'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Phlip: 'roger rabbit is an improvement from who's in office right now'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'how about that sexual misconduct restaurant guy }:>'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'any of you use medical devices?  Inhalers, for example?'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Derservis: 'you mean the sexual misconduct from 10 years ago?'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that's an obama tax hike.'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Phlip: 'Colbert had a good point. Just shows he can hold a steady relationship. two at a time even'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Derservis: 'here here'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Phlip: 'most men can't even hold one :P'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh, well, if it was 10 years ago, I'm sure he's changed and is an upstanding guy now'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Derservis: 'personally i could careless about a presidents intimate life'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Phlip is agreeing with that Derservis person again...
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the issue is that it's not about his intimate life...'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Derservis: 'its all only used to point a finger instead of hold up something about themselves'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I pay close attention to such things.  It can mean the difference between ending up like them...and not.'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'only this latest one that he's been seeing the entire time would be considered part of his intimate life'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Derservis: 'id like to see a run for presidency where each says what they can do good and not only saying what the other guy does bad'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sexual harassment isn't the same as cheating on your wife...'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Derservis: 'what did the harassment involve specifically?'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'one North Carolina police presinct is requiring applicants to give out their social-network account names and passwords in order to be considered for a job there.  Hmm...'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Phlip: 'tell 'em you don't have one'
T3/r5/2011-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Phlip: 'take if off temporaily during the interview process lol'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Farseer: 'hey'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'knowledge is neither good or evil, the truth about an evil event isn't evil, it's what it is, the truth doesn't discriminate from being true - what's being done by people is sometimes evil though, seeing it for what it is isn't'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'with the c programming language i can detonate every nuclear bomb on earth with the proper machine's and route's and logic gate's, or i could calculate how to diffuse a nuclear war before it happens for instance'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'unfortunately the former is usually teh application of higher science on earth'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daagar: 'Wrong. The only way to win is to not play the game. The wargames documentary taught us that.'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'why they made it in the first place?'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cause people can't refuse having slaves?'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'can't pick up the hoe and do some potato farming themselves, too arrogant and hate filled racist '
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'which version?  The Ferris Bueller original or the remake?'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'hey, slavery is cool. the bible says so'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'lol and if you came from a slave line?'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can be my slave if you want.'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'the phrase black power is just racist'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no thanks. my ancestors were slaves so i think it's my turn now'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'and so is im black and beuatiful'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I prefer donkey power.'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'keeps the lights on.'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so i come from a lineage of austrian king's and i have to work for a living in his crossword puzzles while somebody else lives in my palaces, my land deed's are what founded that place before it became allied territory, now who owes who if i have something like that in mind?  '
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'did you notce for blacks to be called nigros is racist but for blacks too call themselves nigros is not?'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i had nothing to do with enslavery of anybody, and i haven't seen a black slave in america or canada since they last aired how hard done by oprah winfrey was'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'moonshine is good stuff'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you don't know any black people if you believe that, Luke'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'why do everyone assume that all slaves were black? we had white slaves in europe'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'slaves for money, holy shit, there's got to be just as many white ones as black ones'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'oh yeah, prague was a popular slavespot'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'even the black people call the ones they don't like "niggers".  Goes as far back as the Civil War when Morgan Freeman explained it for us in 'Glory'.'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'my neighbour is black'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a nigerian doctor came to my local community and burned all of the health records of the doctor who preceded him and tried to kill my grandmother with a deadly prescription'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'my teacher is black'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'importing doctors instead of making medical training more affordable for local people, wh's your apartheid dictator that you work for in canada?'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my mouse and laptop is black'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'are even'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'my church people are black'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'even my school mates are black!'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'we have, like, <50 blacks here, i think :\'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'including my laptop and mouse ?'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'but we prefer kaffir and boer as black and white name calling'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'kaffir means non beliver'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'and boer means white farmer or soldier'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'my great grandfather somehow is white'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'Im what you call a coloured or mixed race'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'a mutt'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'now thats rude'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'mongrel?'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the man just said he was black, not asian.'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'my debate team consist of .... me, lol the others are all stupid'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'Im not black!'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'if you can dance and play bass you're black'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'half-black is still black'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'for a honkey, dokkar'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'and half white isnt?'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'depends on how much stain is being talked about.'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'well non of my origen is black im coloured because of my half indian'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you're a sandie?'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'sandie?'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'nah, flee and dissolve makes it fairly easy'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'mix'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'and what are you, white?'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'a human jar of mayonnaise, yes'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'green tea'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'you talk like you have a 39mm bullet up you nose'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's up my ass, and uncomfortable to sit on.  It's what makes me so attractive.'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'your thumb?'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'i don't want to see the person who could fit 39 mm in their nose.'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: '(AK47round)'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '340,000 mistake's built into honda automobile's, which factories are designed to require as little human interaction with the development process as possible, everything being done by computer's who are just about as smart as their programmers who could unintelligently or intelligently install mistake's into the repetition process, while a human probably couldn't make 340,000 mistakes among themselves'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'high unemployment rate's, but them fuckers on their billion dollar yaught clubs in private resorts and shit sure are feeling the punch of their fucked up employment opportunities arne't they?'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most worthless people on the face of the world are the only ones guaranteed to reproduce'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daagar: 'Learning how to correctly use apostrophes is a lost art. Discuss.'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'devolution theory by the ghost of charles darwin'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'those below the poverty line are proven to be guaranteed to reproduce.  Way to insult the 99, Druzil.'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i bet it'd be a best seller, i'd have to write it under a pen name so nobody can show how smart they are with their billion dollar bodyguards'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'someone already beat you to it, Druzil.  Check out the movie "Idiocracy".'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'will do, put it on movie central or superchannel or somewhere like documentary channel so i can observe'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'around 6 hours from now would be prime time'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'because you don't have a vcr/dvd player?'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'blockbuster and movie rental went out the door with the advent of fibre optic integration'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they say dvd's and cd roms will be extinct pretty soon cause usb storage is so cheap'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you can never watch something without them knowing what you're watching'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'check out netflix and suchlike.'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'bla bla bla, give it a rest'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's the reason why it's how it is, cause they just have to know for their dna statistics, lining up the acids to the individual thought patterns and creative potential's'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'usb storage is more durable than those dvds and cds'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this is the stuff einsteins are made of, ask around'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I really dislike jesse james.'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they say it's not like that though, but they have their contradiction's on display in singapore and everywhere else where people are phased out for machine's, make that mistake 340,000 more times now'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i believe they got rid of polaroid and film picture camera's in order to install GPS coordinates on every photograph ever taken'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: '19th-century Kansas outlaws are cool, what's wrong you you?'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they got away with charging an extra 200 bucks for gps functionality on digital camera's, while not advertising that one's not advertised with gps actually have gps coordinates installed in them'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the one who cheated on sandra bullock....'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'dummies, that's the kind of stuff should have all of your businesses dismantled in a foreign nation'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now the canadian minister of defense is on a 24,000 dollar helicopter ride, it's hardcore training'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'oh, him.  Anyone who appeared on a reality show is retarded, I agree.'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'film emulsion pictures contain a lot more information than digital -- and GPS info if required may be imprinted into film'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they asked the mythbusters and a few other people to take a picture in a secluded location, and for the media news they tracked each photograph down to within 30 metres, a picture of a cup of coffee on a kitchen table is enough information for the eye in the sky to pattern match since it can see through walls yeah?'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's GPS invasion of privacy internationalized, new world order genetic sequencing information for statistics and the like, fighting crime the hard way, by exploiting public trust'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a few people are criminals, therefore everybody shall be guilty until proven unemployed'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'only way to stop that is make a nice hat out of tinfoil'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's the brains behind the world's systems right there, only reason it's offensive is because it's so obviously true'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'that is false propaganda - satellites are not able to see through walls'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'making the complex mastermind into a simpleton is a hard job, he's too wise of a serpent to be figured out, twisting in the shadow's like a reject of hell'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, only superman can.'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'some of them are, just not in the visual range.'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i hope not too xyliz, but they still hunted down those pictures to within 30 metres'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they do have the topology of the entire world down to around 30 metres publicly available for download, sans antarctica aand the north pole and select regions of military intelligence'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'of the not-so-modern ones can see you through an entire building's worth of stuff in the way.'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's a LOT closer than that, Druzil.'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'constantly shake your head when you're outside. then the spy photos that government satellites take of you come out all blurry n shit. that'll show them'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'or at least it used to be a lot closer.  I think I read somewhere they were downsizing the GPS grid to cut costs.'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i always try to filter out the stars from the spy satellites in the sky, it's difficult'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i bet'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'what if u in the shower and the take a photo!'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like nasa's story about the blue wormwood hopis legend star, spat from the milky way 30 million years ago merged into a single star, so you have a blinking satellite in the southeast and northwest and bright star directly above'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daagar: 'I suspect your life is quite full of difficulties, Druzil.'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it'll fuck with some alien people's heads foresure, what their real purpose is only they know '
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i see problems everywhere i look, most of them with my mind, some of them with my eyes'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daagar: 'I agree 100% with at least half that statement.'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i see the possibility of being seen from every corner, that's just how it is, like EA sports and area 51 art's of pornography slut's'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'foul play'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'bah, reruns.  Time to change channels...'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'hong kong bang bang and assian assualt'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you figure the chinese are genociding the world?  or is it someone else?'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'll have to watch out for hired triad guns and stuff, i imagine they won't have a hard time buying the local police force's hole's that'll let them through and suspect somebody unrelated to anything to do with it'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'very obviously the chinese.  Why else would they put industrial chemicals into foods they export?'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's how it is then why are america and canada shooting people in the desert across the ocean adjacent to israel?'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sheesh, a bank foreclosed on a house lived in by a 103 year old woman and her 83 year old daughter.....the sheriff's sent to evict her said they wouldnt do it when they saw her.'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that's different, they're stemming the tide of evil.'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and for countries that get totally bent out of shape when 12 of their people get shot up/killed, it's highly unlikely they're willing to eradicate an opposing tribe.'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'd say lets all get along but it seems that some people have crossed every line they can cross and still aren't satisfied'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not my problem, buddha's strength was his mind, too bad all of the people who followed him didn't use theirs'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'seriously, in the past 20 years, America's fought like 6 significant wars and in total they lost a minor suburb's worth of citizenry.'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you're next.'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'king buddha the smart guy, what's all the other king's excuses?'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'genghis khan took over the entire world, it must be jesus's fault'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sometimes it seems the only logical course of action is a vigilante killing spree, but i'm not like the people i hate in any way except my ability to see how they see thing's and reject their courses of action'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sometimes they're even too pathetic to hate when i tear down the facade they wear'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'what about a rampage?'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's 10 ore more people in unreal tournament, it's in the game'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Mr. Druzachev, suck on my balls!'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'yip and killing spre is 5'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'after killing my own supper a few times i couldn't kill people, killing other people would traumatize me more than killing a chicken'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'even if the government says it's alright, you're doing it for god and love and stuff'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't believe that, after you smell death of anything you're a changed person'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't want to ever cross the line of killing another human being, because i definitely can't take that back and no amount of apology would let me accept that god accepts it'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'ok'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most people haven't had enough time to think about the consequences of their actions before performing them, some of them are under various illusion's that are dispelled when they see god shining through their eyes shining through their victim's who are put out by them'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'check with some killer's, they kill again to escape that realization, sometimes when they realize it they have a heart attack or other form of death '
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'you like shelden on big bang theory, never stops talking'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'big bang like a internet smut film of world war 2 concentration camp victims with attention deficit disorder on assembly lines of 340,000 mistakes?'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i know all about mocking life, i learned from the one who actually does it'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'lol you make me laugh man'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm thankful that i'm not like him, it's sure great to discuss your master's laughter though isn't it?'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they call it slaughter because it's an acronym for satan's laughter, or ssss laughter, a laughing snake anagram'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'lol relax dude'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they been worshipping talking spirit worm's since ancient egypt and hawaiian shamanism'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'you've had too much cofee'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's a building block of modernization and mental illness, you're a retard like those people on the television who act like retards, except they're not a retard like you'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this is all intelligently designed head game's that people's minds are trained to use against themselves in perplexing algorithms of hypocrisy and satanism'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'ai ai'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not satanism like dancing around a altar of raped whores or nothing like that, the kind that results in whores thinking rape is alright'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'someone give me a dicktionary'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like they say in th satanic bible, the best trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'too bad nobody else sees this as more than a joke'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'you dont know simple words do you?'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'everything i said is pretty simple, i could probably cut through the veils of nearly every mental illness on earth with how simple i put thing's'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and i don't even kneed a scalpal or a gun to show people common sense as i see it, because it's open to debate'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'kneed?'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'must be a humiliating position you have yourself in, required to dismantle the brains of all of your human opponents in order to appear to be smarter than them in your own mind that belongs to a system built by others for you to inheret, while you clip everybody's wings before they can fly'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hey you're dumb, i cut out your brain, hahahhaha'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, that's some kind of intelligence you have in your dead head'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'thalidomide yup your ass, sucker'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'wonder how your mother deals with you'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'she doesn't, neither does my dad, i'm a ghost to them both'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'no wounder'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, they think it's alright to be slave's to other human's, i disagree there and we have a fundamental flaw in our relationship'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'ritalin they feed me, give me some lobotomy dismantle my brain chemistry, mister strewlasky will never outlive that crime'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i guess i should be cheering on the world's self destruction instead of pointing out the problems that will result in mass humanicide, but i'm more capable of reason and forgiveness than those who fucked with me since i was learning how to learn'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'so you know that your steller drive has gone mad ?'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'oh so you got fucked as a little boy?'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'god's one tough being, tougher than anything the world can throw at it'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nobody molested me, you say fuck in your lingo as a common occurrence, to me fuck is an offense, to you it's a meaningless fuck self contained definition, procreation and fucking'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'funny that you say god is a it'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'but then you say being'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if i worship a genderized god i could have homosexual or hedonistic fantasies'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i prefer to call it more like the mind in the sky'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's room for angels and demons and all kinds of thing's in my theory about it all, it's too much chaos for most people to acknowledge, like atheists who'll do anything to deny that god exists'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'and fuck is Fornication under consent of king'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'because if there is a mind behind it all, all them thing's they done might come back to haunt them.. god forbid they say, lets look for aliens instead of angels'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm glad i don't worship your penis master, i'd hate to have his will stain my offspring'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'even to take pleasure in his will over my penis would be a abomination and sin against my own soul'
T3/r5/2011-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'finaly'
T3/r5/2011-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'lol, now you can't even take to the airport purses with pictures of a gun'
T3/r5/2011-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Resolved: (the presence of) digital music (replacing analog music in the mainstream media) is a contributing cause of the obesity epidemic in North America'
T3/r5/2011-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(and the gang is back - Hi Ho audience)'
T3/r5/2011-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'digital music is a contributing cause of the obesity epidemic in North America.      (the dummy version of the resolved)'
T3/r5/2011-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(tsk, you guys are not smart enough and educated enough to perceive the validity of that insight)'
T3/r5/2011-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(note though, you (likely) read that insight here first (on a mud channel) (recently))'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'herman cain out of the race? fuuuuck... :'('
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Technically, he's "suspending" his campaign.'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'You gotta find someone else to vote for now?'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'Why? Is he taking time off to molest more women?'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Technically, he's still allowed to raise funds since he hasn't officially dropped out completely'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i don't even live in the states. i follow us politics for entertainment'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Oh, you're sad because his hilarity will be missed.'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'makes the shit here look sane'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I can get behind that.'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Still, I'm sure the remaining folks will provide just as much fun.'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ryke nods at Jhav.
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'they don't let ron paul speak :('
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the media just pretends that he isn't there'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'Who?'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'He was actually leading the Republican polls there for a while'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Cain that is, not Ron Paul :P'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Because he's die-hard libertarian.  He's not really part of the two-party system.  And anything that isn't either strongly Democrat or Republican gets quashed.'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i like ron paul'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, he's as crazy as the others but at least he's consistent'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Ah, see, that's also doing in him.  Americans love a good pander.'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Paul has been 3rd to like 8 different pairs of people.  Probably gonna be third again now that Cain's dropped out.'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Doing him in, rather.'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I should stop trying to string together words at 4 AM'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but he doesn't appeal to the republicans, ironically'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'he's too consistent for a politician'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'if i lived in the states, i'd vote for ron paul'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and i vote social democrat at home :P'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '"social" is a dirty word here in the States.'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the communist party by american standards'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Leinei is agreeing with that Seltsimees Dagnir person again...
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'americans are just in denial and don't really understand what "social" means'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Leinei nods.
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'bill mahr (i think) said it well - american left moved to the center and the right moved to the lunatic asylum'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'heck, "liberal" is a dirty word here now, too :P'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'As is progressive.  Or heck, intellectual.'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'liberal means something else in europe'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Still can't get over that.  Gotta love a society that lives 'intellectuals' as a bad thing.'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The US will eventually ideocracy itself into oblivion...taking pot shots at your academia like they do will not yield positive results'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'we use these words to describe things that matter. like the economy'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so liberal is right-wing here. as in liberal economics'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Yeah, the Liberals here in Oz are based on liberal economics'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Parties can't agree on the economy here anymore.'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Labour on unionized labour forces'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'how about some fucking balance?'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'The good news is that there won't be an economy to disagree over for much longer. '
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the extremes have never worked well in the long term'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'why not have corporations AND unions. make it a REAL free market and let them sort themselves out'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'because corporations win vs unions in a free market, because scabs, every time'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Free markets favour the corporations in a MASSIVE way'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '- 20'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, that's because unions have been fucked with since reagan'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir nods at Vakieh.
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but your market isn't really free atm'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and i'm not talking about regulations. i'm talking subsidies'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'An intelligently regulated market, where the power is in the hands of economists rather than the winners of a popularity contest is the ONLY way to balance - but the populace is so dipshit stupid it would never allow it'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'a truly free market would have let the banks fail'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: '(Not American)'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the problem is privatizing profits and nationalizing the losses. globally '
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I'm sure there's lots of economists in the positions of high power when it comes to the economoy'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Not like the president decides everything, nor are all high positions nominated ones'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm all for free market, but i want the companies to eat shit when they fail'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and now we have to bail out greece (which means that we're actually paying private banks)'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '43,880 employees in the department of commerce here.  I'm guessing at least some of them are economists :P'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Although...this does include things like the national weather service, for some reason...'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'They keep their power by playing the system though, not controlling it'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oh, and i heard national treasury lent out 7.7 trillion to private banks with 0.01% interest'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and people are upset about TARP :P'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'About which % of the population actually has a clue, do you think?'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I'd love to be getting 770 million a year in interest :P'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i don't think you understand what that means'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'which illustrates the point tinada just made'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Oh, you're right.  It's probably compound interest.  770 million and 40 thousand.'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'How much of that money have they already gotten back, Dagnir?'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Aww, I wanted a debate.  Oh well :('
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nothing to debate about since you don't seem to grasp what it means'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Then please tell me'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Because I think I do'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'jfgi'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And I think you have no basis for thinking I don't know what it means'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'other than one satirical comment'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'That obviously you didn't see as satire'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'ok'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dek: 'I am happy that Herman Cain quoted pokemon on his way out the door'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dek: 'If only he had more closely followed Pokemon's ethical sensibilities, he might still be in the race'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I see the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012 passed in Senate on Thursday. It seems to permit detaining any "terrorist" anywhere until the war of terror ends, but with any luck the part about not changing certain existing laws means that there will be no expansion of the extraordinary renditions program.'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I vote for taking back the nobel peace price from obama.'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'obama won a noble peace prize?'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'Obama's in the senate?'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'shrug, I'm not American'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Funwill: 'Isn't the states are at 'war against terrorism' since their first colonies versus natives?'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nor am I. Still, obama keeps guantama bay open, and that's enough.'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'I was just asking if he really won a nobel peace prize, because lol if he did'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'yes he did'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dek: 'he sure did'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'he basically won it for being black and a president'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'yes, basically for being a black president in the US'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'for doing what ?!?'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'he did, and like in the first month of office or something'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'that's ridiculous......'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'yeah he did, while the US was involved in two foreign wars, really doesnt make sense'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dek: 'And managed to do nothing for peace unless you count more unmanned drone strikes than bush had in his 8 years'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'yeah complete sham'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dek: '</sarcasm>'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'We are going to celebrate the conquering of racisms by indulging in a little positive discrimination......'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No, he won because he promised to stop the iraqi war and close guantanama bay'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'None of those things happened.'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dek: 'to be fair, the republicans made it impossible for him to shut down guantanamo'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'shh you're supposed to have forgotten about guantanama'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'that's not true, ranrr'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'noble peace prize, that's hilarious.....what is the world coming to....'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'nobel*'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Yes, he did. Norway stuffs the peace prize committee with random politically correct scientists and has-been politicians. This group then uses the Nobel "peace" prize to further whichever political or other agenda suits them.'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'according to the nobel committee, he won for diplomatic work and a focus on multinational cooperation'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the people don't really care to have dangerous criminals floating around mainland USA'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dek: 'There were provisions in the budget that prevented any money being used to relocate prisoners housed in guantanamo for the purposes of closing it'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'the bush admin signed a de-escalation deal that would end the war during the next presidents term, and the iraqi govt will not sign a new agreement, thus the war is ending'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'US military operations in Iraq may be ending, but I wouldn't count on the war on terror to end until..about 1984 :)'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There are always excuses for not doing things, but obama could have ended the war and shut down guantanama if he wanted to.'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Funwill: 'the global war for the states hegemony still runnnn on I fear...'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dek: 'not without money and the congress controls the budget'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Obama only had a majority for like three months'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'and they weren't even consecutive'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'still, it's not as though Al Gore deserved his nobel prize any more than Obama did'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'yeah the obama nobel prize was a head scratcher, i support him, and i dont see how or why he was given it, other than some political motivation'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Funwill: 'yup, nobel prizes servin more as advertisements..'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'the scientific ones are legitimate, the ones that go to political leaders are generally a joek'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'what do you all think about this new Occupy Red/Green Chile movement?'
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Parallel: 'Partisan collateral damage: A lot of my friends are adopting divisive language to decry percieved 'fouls' caused by the opposing 'side'. They use words like "Teabagger" or "Occupee'er", and don't seem to realize that the very language the use is no different than the "N" word, or the "K" word. They fail to recognize the hate mongering they are participating in, and it makes me sad....:('
T3/r5/2011-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the government planning officials of Great Britain are now saying the Euro will collapse, it's just a matter of when.'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's special about the year 1984 when i was 2 years old that made human lab goats out of everybody and stuff?'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is that the end deal of the cold war dr.frankenstein slutshops ?'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i see geneva convention violations all over the shelves and stuff, just curious'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe virgo from ghostbusters was real, and nobody could find the proper slime combo to battle him'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'oscar the grouch and the oscar awards, coincidence or is the grouchy guy in the trash can handing out grammy's?'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'generational sesame seeds'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i found out a new 2012 end of the world interpretation to superstize the paranoia cults with, reinforcement of aligned prediction's, with some fictional cult stuff, and i'm going to say it with reference to a few game pieces'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's this movie called eye of the devil for 1 (1966), where there's a french cult with 12 hooded figures surrounding a 13th sacrifice who is their version of christ, he's another member i guess - there's a movie the fog where like taking the witches hand in the eye of the devil the woman could fall to her destruction cause the witch or priestess was using a magic froglike trick, then the alignment is the old man pulling the rope into the sea with the statue in the churchyard being at the front of the ship like they used to have engravings on the fronts to be fancy, brings the demons from teh sea, is like the hand of the witch in the other movie (the rope), now the next piece involves the real holodomor situation in history, the pictures you find researching it, the pictures of very similar situation in africa, and in the fog is a scene where alex trebek reevals a answer to the participants for 500 or 1000 dollar's, which involves famine to pad the belly's of the poor in an operation called swift -'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'Oh my god.'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'big but that's alright, better than 20 lines'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you have to watch them to put them together youself, watching the parts i talk about you'll see what i mean'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Why must you ALWAYS test my not ignoring anyone rule?'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now in the bible, 1 day to god is as 1000 years to man, because this is some very deep reasoning and i don't care who chooses not to understand it'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hoyle: 'Is it exactly 1000 years? What if it's 1001?'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so now we are on the 3rd day since jesus death in this terms, and on the 12th year 2012 before reaching 2013 the end of the world occurs to symbolize the sacrifice'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's from bible scripture'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Like that joke - Can I have a million dollars? In a minute...'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hoyle: 'Hit me with a verse'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the vatican has alot of authority in history and is possibly the replacement for the roman empire disguised as many nations'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '1 year for each apostle, if you notice there's a world war in 1912, and a war of 1812'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the hebrews that authored the OT bible were liars hucksters deceived deluded on drugs insane crazy rabid ... hwnce the word rabbi'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Druzil, I found Jesus in today's belly button lint - can I send you a picture to verify its authenticity?'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think there's some possible ingrained strategy game based alot of biblical cripture used in world planning'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nobody knows what the pope discusses with world leaders behind closed doors'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hoyle: 'I don't think he's invited many places these days'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the various religious Bible(s) are deceptive works of fiction'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not condemning the pope at all, for all i know alot of the proofs of corruption were installed by somebody else, but pope julius doesn't seem to have been much of a kindled fruit'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'more of a tyrant dictator who ordered the death and humiliation of many'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the canadian political analyst called murphy had a good point about bishop tutu's criticization of canada contrasted to the more localized issues in africa, apparently his propaganda makes hating canada and blaming them make more sense, but down there is alot of real crimes against humanity and political corruption that goes unopposed, to oppose it is usually death'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'as a philosophical text, the OT Bible is grossly inferior to some westernised Buddhist texts'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'since dalai lama is a good friends with him, friends have alot in common'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'A good line of thought: make sure your affairs are in order before you mess with the affairs of others.'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nearly every religion in america comes from the eastern religions, original ones might have been lower egyptian in origin'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Rex Murphy is often missing a few marbles'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's a game that oversees the games i can play to get anywhere, that's a problem that needs some fixing since i can't go nowhere through it'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hoyle: 'What in the world are you smoking? And where do I get some?'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'since it won't be fixed i don't feel the need to question what is wrong with the order of my affairs before meddling in the publicized deceptions of others'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'moderate Western christianiy is superior to eastern christianity'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'republican christianity is corrupt'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nothing wrong with skepticism and thought, without it no bad decisions would be questioned, which can result in stories like hitler youth '
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you can say whoever you worship and not worship them at all, since you might not believe what they are or have a misconception about them'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'please do not play the hitler card when jews are listening -- they go rabbid'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Have you 2 thought a little more into my idea to marry, then publish your spousechan logs after a month?'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'money's the #1 concern of most or all world leaders, behind the desire for more control over people -> in the bible's version of things the first shall be last and the last shall be first, who's concerns are met in their version of christianity?'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'another more heretic verse is, 'it is more profitable that one should die and many should live', which we see the opposite applied every day'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how many people were sacrificed for each billionairre on earth's fortunes?'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: '42'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm no hitler'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i just see similar crime's committed all over the place all the time'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Vakieh, the debate/gossip audience is likely to miss out on some entertainment value if those logs went spousechan'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I want to see the implosion of insanity you two talking would produce'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz is remaining single
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'And not by choice.'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: '(Not for lack of trying)'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hmm. You could swear Dread Lord Morinon has been here just a second ago. You wonder where he went ...
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ryke snaps his fingers.
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon enthusiastically high-fives Ryke!
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ryke flashes a mischievous grin at Dread Lord Morinon.  Hmm. is it time to run and hide?
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'tsk - reverse psychology - amateurs'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Lolno.'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'insanity's the oil industry and stuff like that learning from their failed gulf oil rigs and spotting a few arctic projects to plug in, after ignoring the peat moss that was successfully used in norway to clean up and also salvage the oil in an environmentally friendly way'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'peat moss won't work too well under ice'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i consider myself crazy, and able to consider insanity and sanity as the same time'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sometimes, i still like pyrrhonism'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's 2-4 found publicized proofs of current northern oil spills, mostly they downsize it to obscurity and claim ignorance - but look at the railroad line's independent computer systems that monitor track conditions and train circulation, and wonder couldn't or wouldn't they have patched a leak due to pressure guages detecting the isolated incident'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nature the casualty, but what people don't know don't matter - though it can have long running accumulative consequences'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'Those aren't as bad as full life consequences.'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the sad joke is that all the monies earned from taking oil out of the ground are to make a few rich richer -- the standard of living of the middle class remains dismal in the USA'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you had the current applicable technological solutions as found by honest scientists in one hand, and the ones that are rejected for inferior forms, urban planning and demographical placements etc, industrial distribution and localization, with solid overseers and all this stuff, wise advisors - all these problems could decrease the unneccessary risks that are follow by many for money, but enforced by others for destruction'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we might be learning how to create another uninhabitable desert wasteland, while knowing what the end results of unsustainable unneccessary production will be'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'money's not much of an excuse in a nation where you can invent your own money and using your own resources produce 98% of the material's you wish to have'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but #1 top priorities, upper and lower egypt, kings and the usurped'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'if you are going to copy and paste, digest summarise and condense before reposting somebody else's hash'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i write things from my mind to my fingers'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i rarely copy or paste nothing unless it's for consideration'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'your suggestions for improving the world require the existence of decent competent educated folk in positions where there are able to do decent competent things that improve society -- except the likelihood is that most humans are dirtbags even those that appear decent'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'exactly, one british lord pointed out some problem's with the economy used as a pawn to extend environmental problems though'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'even they sometimes see sense'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'similar to christians preaching "if Jesus Christ were in charge, everything be a lot better" - except the probability is that Jesus Christ is an incompetent dirtbag  (and Jesus Christ never existed except as a fiction)'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sometimes strawberries grow from piles of shit'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'composted piles'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i take considerabole information from wherever it draws my attention'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'run the raw sewage through a sewage treatment plant first before using as fertilizer'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'when thing's weren't so fast paced and farmers were more independent shit was alright, cows produce alot of it'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'spreading it around their field with schoolbusses turned into shit spreaders'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'farmers caused the dustbowls of the USA -- farmers are not to be respected much'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'Stupid farmers, feeding us and shit.'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then the unknown purposes of fertilizer in the earth along with pollution from it's excavation weren't as much of a threat and concern, the soil were able to more naturally remain fertilze for a coming crop and wildlife was more abundant to keep the normal growth cycles intact'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'chemical treadmills some call it, most seeds planted now are genetically engineered and stuff, requiring more chemical's, now there's homage to the seed and the herb/pesticides used, all of which result in longer term deterioration of the farmlands'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's crop rotations they could have used, my grandma knows about it, what to plant one year, leave fallow the next, and plant another year, rotation to keep the soil various'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but with less pay for farmers they seem to turn more to the crops that pay the most, which are usually turned into energy sources like biodiesel'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the road to hell is paved with good intentions by the incompetent'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'll believe in hell when i get there or see it firsthand, this world's more immediate to me, even though i can drift off into my mind freely'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'is a diesel engine preferable to a petrol engine -- racecars usually use petrol/methanol/benzene not biodeisel'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'hell is already here on planet earth -- and the four horsemen are readying to ride'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't know much about engine designs, but i can see alternative's to alot of the consumed fuel through proper social structures'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it was revealed to me by my grandma that her brother went to pick up a car for her mother in toronto one year, and drove away in a prototype of that care which on one tank of gas travelled him west of winnepeg before the cops seized it from him'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so that's a proof that they don't even think of maximizing efficiency of their own fuel consumption independently from the oil industry'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that was in 1957 or so'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'had the fuel guage at around half a tank - that is pretty decent '
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'according to what i read on the rover corporation, now owned by ford, in 1885 they had electric engines being designed fervently by their designers'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so these current steps in electric engines might be throttled similarly to how that prototype was and that electric motor was erased from the production line in 1885 and 1957'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Mitt Romney often looks mentally-slow-or-retarded in news clips '
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the Daily Show 2011-Dec-05 highlighted how Californians are politically-enabled and mentally-retarded -- the 500,000 voter initiatives are resulting in fiscal contradictions'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Californians voted to force Government to pay for increased services in Education etcetera, and also voted to not raise Property-taxes'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'what's so noteworthy about this?  It happens in every district in every level of government.'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a glaring contradiction that adversely affects society is somewhat noteworthy ... and when that society collapses, another chapter and or footnote in the history books'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Phlip: 'I just fail to see the difference between California and...everywhere else.'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Amazon.com does not want to pay taxes on sales by Amazon.com -- and Amazon.com paid 3$ per signature to get the 500,000 votes for a ballot requesting that Amazon.com not be required to pay sales taxes'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I don't want them to pay sales tax either. They don't have to pay me to sign for that.'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Phlip: 'where legally are they required to?'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'everywhere'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'but enforcement is too difficult because of cross-district shipping, so they don't enforce it'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Phlip: 'ah, gotcha'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'it's actually not that difficult, but *shrug*'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'there's always been this idea that shipping across state lines was somehow this magical thing that made calculating taxes unfathomably difficult'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'but it really isn't'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the California government requires to raise revenues somehow -- Califoroia is already an extra 25 billion$ in debt -- so, those-that-do-not-want-to-pay-taxes, where do you suggest the revenues to come from to pay for the California services provided by government'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Everyone thinks they should come from "someone else" -- this is not unique to California.'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz suggests a California voter-initiative to confiscate half the monies and fiscal-value from the richest 1%  -- (am i serious or joking)
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you're obviously joking, you suggested it on debate channel.'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'oh yes, redistribution of wealth and confiscation of property is such a wonderful idea and has worked beautifully everywhere it's been tried.'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'Robin Hood made it work!'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if you were serious, you'd lobby for millions of dollars to join a race  (to join a different race) you had no hope of winning by sounding like you knew what you were talking about.'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz suggests a California voter-initiative to confiscate half the monies and fiscal-value from the richest 1%, and 10% of the confiscated monies be distributed within a few months to the poorest 99% -- that initiative is sure to pass with great voter turn-out ready to receive and spend their share of the monies
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'race is genetic, you dolt, you can't join a race you are not part of without genetic manipulation'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'did you hear about the payroll tax cut we're all going to get this year?  We're going to pay less in taxes throughout the year, making up any difference in April when we're counting on rebate checks to come through.'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: '...they haven't agreed on anything yet, Dokkar'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'a bunch of us are actually going to owe now.'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'Well, they've agreed that it needs to be figured out before the end of the year, but it's still up in the air how they're going to fix it. :p'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'doesn't matter about that one specifically, others are already on the books doing the same thing.'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'And watch anyone who has money immediately move out of California, taking any jobs with them.'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'including Silicon valley'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'as a matter of fact, if I owned a company and such an idiotic law were passed anywhere in the USA I'd relocate the whole company offshore.'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz suggests a voter initiative to cap the price of all software packages to 50$ or less   (where splitting software into multiple offerings or apps is yet one package)
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic watches software development completely cease.
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'how about an example, Xy?'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'eamazon is note legally required to pay sales tax on sales in every state'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you mean we could get the Win7 Pro Ultimate Gold Enterprise for fifty bucks?'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'getting *all* the microsoft products for a *single* paymt of 50$ -- excellent!'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I hate taxes, but sad to say we would be better off if all online retailers, including amazon, had to collect sales taxes.  Bricks and mortar simply employ more people.  Sometimes a little inefficiency can be a good thing.'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'payment'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'You'd still be getting ripped off.'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'Now, if it were $49.99..'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'payroll taxes were ALREADY cut for 2011.  haven't you noticed?'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I'd rather tax the sale of goods less and tax wealth more'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Senator Starbug is agreeing with that Ol' Dirty Fiendish person again...
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'there's still time to join the millionaire march, Kojiro.  They're storming Washington now to insist that they take more in taxes.'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'less regressive that way'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'I don't see how you can justify taxing wealthy people just because they're wealthy. That said, I'd fucking love it. :p'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'well you can either tax wealth through income or consumption (Sales)... I'm all in favor of a more sensible, progressive tax code'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'd agree with you there. "Start confiscating half of their shit" is just idiotic though.'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Yeah, what am I going to do with a solid gold car anyway? Probably gets crappy mileage.'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the wealthy became rich by bribing and paying the politicians to hand national-resources to the wealthy -- the wealthy "stole" their wealth from the nation'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'yes ryke, that's the problem.  People think of government as this magic thing that provides things at no cost.  And people want to tax the rich because thier rich.  It's never "tax the rich to pay down the national debt".  Frankly, if somethign isn't worth increasing taxes on a middle income family, then it's probably not worth govt spending the money.'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'sensible or not, we need to implement KISS on taxes.'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'I fail to see how Gene Simmons comes into this.'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Not Guilty Kojiro.
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'theatrical alarmism while we storm the banks and takes all dey moniez.'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Xyliz, whether or not that's true, beginning to confiscate property simply because people are wealthier than others has never ended well.'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ryke sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'adam and eva was black'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'wow excuse my shitty grammar'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'There are a number of things I'm happy to pay taxes for.'
T3/r5/2011-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'Thank you, Lukesmart. That was very insightful and has given me reason to reconsider my position on the subject.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'what is the subject'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'OTOH, I think taxing someone who's below subsistence level already would just be silly. I'm perfectly in favor of "Your first 20k's tax-free" or something similar.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the rich not paying enough taxes is already ruining the fiscal economy of the citiens -- so that "never end well" ship already sailed '
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'two wrongs do not make a right.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that's already occurring, Magic.  You pay less in income taxes the less you make, and you're able to get more money from the government (other people's taxes).'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods dokkar, just sayin that I'm perfectly cool with a progressive tax code like that.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'yes they do, the bible says so!'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if you're poor enough, the only tax you really end up paying is sales taxes on stuff you buy everyday.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ryke nods at Dokkar.
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the rich would pay "enough taxes" if the government would cut it's incredibly wasteful spending.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: '(its)'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'if the citizens are being beggared by the 1% rich, then the citizens want fiscal blood -- to the guillotine with the 1% -- off with their greedy heads'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'ja the only tax free products are milk bread and porriage'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'medicare fraud and waste alone is in the hundreds of billions'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'I'd be more than happy to pay taxes, if I didn't feel like my money was being used to wipe someone's ass.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Right, because that worked so well for the French REvolution. '
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it's $400 dollars a gallon to parachute gasonline into afghanistan'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if you think the 1%ers are thieving bastards, you really need to start hanging out in the poorer places.  There's as much or more going on among the 99%.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'amen dokkar.  food stamp fraud anyone?  unemployment insurance fraud?  omg it's crazy'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'welfare kids.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'French revolution worked very well, sad that some of the nobility escaped'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'like hell it did.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'french revolution backfired in a very big way'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'disability fraud, it goes on and on, and it comes out of EVERYONE's pocket, just moreso the rich'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it killed a shitload of innocent people and wrecked the country. brilliant'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Hell is good when the wicked are destroyed'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'last i saw you pay 42% if you earn alot'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'That was on subject, I'm impressed.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'luke depends where you live. top marginal federal in us is 35%, but that's before state and local tax'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'in my hood, it's 48% margina'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'Let's just move to a barter system.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'south africa sucks'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'marginal'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sheeeeep. I want to get paid in sheep!'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'I'll give you a toaster to wash my car.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I need a microwave, not a goddamn toaster'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you have hot babes making toast for you?!'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'A toaster is -like- a microwave!'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'allegedly-innocent people dying -- collateral damage -- like when the USA smart-bombs a target they went killed desperately and innocent bystanders are killed -- "justifiable collateral damage"'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'marry a zulu man 4 cows instead'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'cows don't know how to make toast or wash cars.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'And how are you going to react when someone decides that your clothes or car looks nice and murders you because you must have stolen to earn the money to drive a car?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they sure do know how to make pies, though!'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'but the make 4 good weed eaters'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'By being dead, I guess.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'majic i think they do that in russia,, just with corporations'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'not that they gonna eat your personal stash, dokkar'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic snickers with Not Guilty Kojiro about their shared secret.
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'what do you all think about the resolution to slaughter horses for meat?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'Nom.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Good.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'they shouldn't have a special anti-slaughter any more than any other goddamn animal just because all of the bleeding heart little girliegirls want to be able to ship their horse to the auction and not run the risk of it being slaughtered'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if you don't want your horse slaughtered, keep it yourself'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'Can we slaughter those girls too?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'are there nursing nhomes for horses?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yep, if you want to pay for one.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'heh, Elmer's has one.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no i want to freaking run one'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ryke snickers with Dokkar about their shared secret.
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'You can probably make a fair amount of money as long as you keep it clean and well-run and keep a close eye on your staff.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'Elmers'd be closer to hospice care, dokkar.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i can shoot horse porn on the side'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'idea: webcams so owners can look in on their horses and see that they're paying through the nose for their horsie to be kept all snuggly warm, you can probably double the price based only on that :P'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'that's a great idea!'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'do people lvoe their horses that much?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Yes.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and people who raise horses tend to be the richer kids. at least people who get all sentimental about them.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'somebody was watching this week's episode of Two Broke Girls -- this talk of horsies'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's actually pretty cruel to let a horse grow old.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'as long as they're mobile, relatively pain-free and fed, not really.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"it's actually pretty cruel to let the 1% rich grow old"'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'for exercise i can make them pull buggies in central park!'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'that would classify as 'abuse', in my book.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'oh, then you can opt out of the exercise program'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'swimming is something people love to pay for their horses to do'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'your horse can stay in a filthy, non-income earning stable.  horses are like prisoners, they need to be put to work'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'wtf, horses SWIM?!!'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Yep. '
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Great exercise for them. :P'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'never heard of seahorses?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Martini & Tyebald peers intently at Dokkar.
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'plus it makes you sound all ... cutting-edge with equine care when you go on about your hydrotherapy program.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'Anything to get away from you.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: '"cutting edge"...."lunatic fringe".  it's such a fine line. '
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I can tell bad jokes like the best aardplayers, Tyebald'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'just calling it equine-care instead of horse convalescence is pretty cutting edge'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'Haven't you seen the movie The Water Horse? Horses can swim very well indeed'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'if bad jokes were all it took, I'd be a great player too.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'equine restorative hydrotherapy for the horse who needs a little extra love :)'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'do nursing homes have cameras so the kids can spy on grandma and watch her watch tv?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'That makes it sound dirty.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'given today's technology, probably.  Just hack into their network and you can see all.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'probably not because of privacy issues'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i'm gonna tuck this horse idea away.  has potential.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'm never gonna have the capital to start it up anyway :D'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'I know where you will put it.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and that's not including all the weird hidden-cam voyeur fetishers.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'where, Yny?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'oh it's cooler to insinuate an attack than actually make one because then you would like a bad person attacking me for no reason?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'look like :)'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i forgive you anyway '
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'from used coffee grounds and ols banana peels you will enchant a small box of 9 sides, which will open once and only once to the creator. You will deposit the treasure and shut the box, possibly forever. Only you will now the secret syllables to open it again.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'majic do you have a horse?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Nope.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I don't have the money for expensive pets ... if I did I'd still have other things to spend it on :P'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'yes, horses are for silly people.  also, art.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well ... if you HAVE the money and it makes you happy, go for it.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Just don't kid yourself into thinking that you're going to make money in it.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'man with no arms and no legs hanging on a wall'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I have some cheap paintings that are NOT great art but they look imo prettier than 'art' and they make me happy to see them :P'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'nooooooooooooo tey not!~they for warriors an knights for might and honor trust is bound btween the majestic steed and its owner!'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i actually told the mud how to make money on imm the other week.  first, only, and last time i'll do that.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: ''gasp1" they didn't take your advice?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'who knows how many people are counting their thousands now, but my guess is zero'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i just felt i had to give something back to the community'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'no clue what you said, I'm trying to finish school so not around as much.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'STILL? '
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'snicker'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): YnysMon chortles mischievously.
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'my degree has came in handy only once in my whole life, but that one time was worth more than every dollar i ever spent (or made) on anything in school'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Kind of necessary for what I want to be, though. :P'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'must be a doctor of some kind.  you have a good, pragmatic heart.  you'd be good at it, i'm thinking.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Sorta. I'm going for math professor.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'have you passed your hindi course yet?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hindi? :P'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'maybe it's farsi.  The trick is to be verbally unintelligble so the students focus on the numbers and symbols'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hah :D'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I do remember reading a study about students learning more from powerpoint slides with obnoxious fonts because they were working ahrder to figure out what it said.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I took engineering math (multivariate calc) and that 5 hour class alone was harder than the 23 hours of liberal arts I took the next semester when I changed majors.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hah :D yes, many of my students tell me (and I believe them) how much harder my class is.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I told them that I couldn't help that their other professors were shortchanging them on the education they paid for :P'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i took it with all my national merit buddies and we scraped by with C's.  I have a lot of respect for the people who put in the diligence to ace the class.  Not just hard, but doing the amount of problems it took to master the math enough to apply it to the new/novel problems on the tests... I have so much respect for the guys that wanted to be engineers so bad they put in the time to ace the class.  Only class I ever got a C in in my life.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Yes. It takes a lot of work to actually ACE calculus. There's a reason my mother had a lot of job offers that had nothing to do with engineering. She made it through in 1973 :P'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'someone in my office did EVERY problem in the goddamn book for calc 1-3, sometimes multiple times.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'a lot of math types in my field... trying to create algorithms to trades markets based on statistical arbitrages and mean reversions... somebody needs to make them forget out greek letters and just wait for blood in the streets (any 18 font headline on front page of WSJ usually suffices) and do simple arithmetic'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'You gotta have the feel for it really, one of my grandmothers really had the feel for it and the other one thought she did and was wrong.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's not something that I'd be good at, not aggressive enough.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'or flee past them w/wimpy'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'mis'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'aggression leads to eventual ruin.  a lot of times the best work you can do is read on the beach (or even play aard?)'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you can't "create" opportunity, only wait and react to it'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'But when the opportunity is there it needs to be recognized and seized.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'these math types think there is buried treasure if they just dig hard enough with their mathematical shovels'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not everything can be modeled mathematically (and I'm in math and I say that) :D'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lukesmart laughs out loud.
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'I want a mathermatical shovel!'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"Hamsters that engage in sex at an early age show signs of depresssion" -- (Jay Leno monologue 2011Dec06 am)  '
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"if you had sex with two or more partners in the past few months, you are an unacceptable risk as an organ donor" (loosely paraphrased) -- (Jay Leno monologue 2011Dec06 am)'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_propaganda'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Jay Leno put on weight -- those fat jowls are an eyesore -- Jay Leno looks disgusting'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Propaganda, the coordinated attempt to influence public opinion through the use of media, was skillfully used by the NSDAP in the years leading up to and during Adolf Hitler's leadership of Germany (1933b1945). National Socialist propaganda provided a crucial instrument for acquiring and maintaining power, and for the implementation of their policies, including the pursuit of total war and the extermination of millions of people in the Holocaust. The pervasive use of propaganda by the Nazis is largely responsible for the word "propaganda" itself acquiring its present negative connotations.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'stalin was very interested in the use of media too, we're not as concerned today'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Samdar: 'propaganda doesn't work on modern minds'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'misconception'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15629283 The secret of Silvio Berlusconi's success'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'During the period of consolidation of Berlusconi's wealth in the 1980s and his subsequent entry into the national political arena in the early 1990s, the nature of politics changed, becoming less ideological.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'less ideological and more idiotic'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'ever see some of the commercials they sell you cars through on tv?  if they're not selling cars with them then why are they there?  they are offensive'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'to some people'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the level of stupidity makes the mind revolted'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'rupert murdoch owns media in russia, canada, america, france, brazil, all across the globe, in join partnership with a saudi arabian king, and their corporation owns other corporations who's owners might include some real people and a corporation'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you notice the level of human stupidity in the world being pretty much the same'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can see the media being used similarly to how it was back in the forsaken history books'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the average modernized child spends 9 hours out of every day directly or indirectly interacting or viewing a media device'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they become the normal adults of the future'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all of those unobserved messages and tendencies they don't know where they got them from'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's no government people who can't be bought who make sure thing's don't fuck with people's heads without warning, there's subliminals implanted in nearly every childrens cartoon in the world'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'though, they say homeland security guards the MTV building, which airs pregnant at 16 and other shows of normalized just being kids behaviour'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's a seed company now who has a reverse hells angel death head symbol, the winged skull facing left, facing the other way without the skull'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not sure if that's them or not, i can't recall the company name but i'll write it down next time i see it'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that reminds me of civilian ops from the air force created gang that didn't accept the mongols'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're not only the cops they're the crooks too maybe, why i don't like the DEA in ottawa'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just stuff about the media that i notice, involving some doesn't affect counterarguements, subliminal's and possible root's'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'saying it's no big deal is like sayin how stalin acheived holodomor and hitler responded with holocaust and pol pot came from france to do some asian recoinassance and somebody might have slipped into iran sometime around 1978'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'things are falling down to the same levels again, whether you want to see it or not'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Samdar: 'which levels are those?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mass-murder of unarmed people and media blackouts black flags blaming other than the people who are coming in back to protect you from themselves, etc'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '7 billion people , but american continent maybe has 1/7th of that problem'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Samdar: 'Population doubles every 15 years too'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, wow, that's alot of fuckin, i wonder what kind of things goes through their ethnic heads'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'instead of fixing the problem without mass-murder, the lust balls that run the place will see the other way out'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'because common sense means their lust balls would have to be restrained'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Samdar: '14 billion in 2026... 28 in 2031'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people with money and guns are the lust balls, the cops and military see the logic in this and suit up'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they lack the connections to put them through university to a administrator of their nuts'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the ecology of the planet shall collapse as the humn population increase -- mass extinction shall also result - the human race is aleady mostly dead'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Samdar: 'no way... just keep multiplying... 56 ib in 2056'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'already'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'pestilences famine war death'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'pestilence famine war death'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'gwynyfar, stay here and wait until druzil is around'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'a 5th-grader on an inter-district permit was punished (loss of permit) after he went "hey, that guy looks like President Obama!" in the presence of said guy's daughter.  The guy complained to the principal about the racist remarks.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: '...'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'wowww'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'more reason to impeach the sonofabitch'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'Does that mean "Obama" is a racial slur now?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I guess.  Said guy is a famous reporter in the Los Angeles area.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'The question is.. does he actually look like President Obama?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'how is that racist oh god what is going on'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'he apparently does, but I haven't seen the photos myself.  Drudge, along with like practically everybody else, has links to the story.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I'm not sure why the guy didn't take it as a huge compliment.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'Obviously the guy is a racist!'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Maybe he's a prick and hates 5th graders?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'Everyone hates 5th graders. Everyone sane, anyway.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'jeff foxworthy makes a living on 5th graders'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'must be one of those angry black guys who cries foul over anything with the "black" adjective.  Black power, black-on-black crime, black medicines, etc'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'There is some vague resemblance between the two of them..'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'Black Friday?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and did you hear about those military guys in Leavenworth who coldly executed prisoners because said prisoners made a grab for their guns?  The media is casting self-defense as against the Geneva Convention.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'Link?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'http://www.971talk.com/dana/index.aspx'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'how about a link to a real news organization?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I heard it on the radio today.  25 year sentence for killing an al-qaeda operative'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Yeah man, if it ain't Fox News, it ain't real news... hyuck.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'grabbing for their guns while no having their guns is different, was there video footage of the threat's instead of the mouht of the cops who might be serial killers gettin rid of a few prisoners for a pay cheque on the side?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'Hey, Fox News is a completely legitimate, unbiased source of information.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ryke snorts.
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'anybody can shoot somebody and then cover up the crime, espcially if they're in a uniform'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Come on man, hold the straight face. You can do it!'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Fox is only evening the balance.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Life has a well-known liberal bias.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oh, are you talking about that squad who executed random afghani peasants and put grenades into their hand later?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ryke snickers with Jhav about their shared secret.
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'or couple of guys in the squad'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i still find that one video where a helicopter is flying by an iraqi street where a guy with a camera is running with several unarmed people and then the guy at the helicopter gun shoots them all'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe there's more too it though'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what few stories reach the public are from reporters who weren't homicided by either side for reporting, and most of those are planted by them in exchange for the reporters life imo'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or else they never were there but the people who can prove that have no idea what he's credited with'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'hmm. did my own research. he got sentenced for /executing/ a /suspected/ al qaeda operative'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I agree Dru, but if you mis-trust everything based on that criteria, how do you know you're not discarding the truth out of sheer paranoia?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'by being a pyrrhonist'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i dynamically realign my idea of what's real based on not committing to anything'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'going with the madness, essentially?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and then i also consider that what i arrive at can be deliberately formulated for the pyrrhonic mind to appear like it does, and therefore the exact opposite might also be true or the whole thing is falese'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'rather be able to deal with chaos and pure skepticism than a two faced liar'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'why can't crazy people rely on scientific method?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'crazy people invented science'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'modern version of it anyways'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: ''cause people who rely solely on the scientific method can be just as crazy :x'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'even science of the mind, you gotta be pretty sane to stick two steel spikes into somebody's brain and wiggle them around for intellectual inquest'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're insane though, i'm just crazy'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i mean, i've seen/thought/heard some fucked up shit under strong hallucinogens (which might get close of actually being bat-hit crazy), but i still understood that that shit wasn't real even if it was very intense'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the quality of your hallucinations was lacking, Dagnir, allowing you to easily pick out some key feature that broke the spell.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i found that most of my body's ailments can be controlled with my mind, pills and their affects can be ignored'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I guess it comes down to experience. You experienced crazy shit but knew it wasn't real because you have the guise of normality as a matter of comparison. A truely crazy person doesn't realize they're mis-perceiving the world though.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hinting that the mind's a more powerful thing than alot of drugs'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'drugs can be assistance to the mind though'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Saint Cuthbert.
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i mean, it felt real, but my mind sorted it out as being impossible. i have a few schizo acquaintances who rely on logic when they start tripping or meds stop working'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no need to hint, Druzil.  The human body is a raw chemical factory invoking chemical warfare on itself.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'headquarters is naturally heavily-fortified.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yeah, cuthbert, that's a good point'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cigarettes for example have intelligently placed geneva protocol violations in them which accumulatively kill neuropathway's which form short term memory related to the trauma associated with cigarettes which might block together other pathways along with them, preserve the stunned pathway through formaldehyde, regulate the blood and oxygen flow to the brain during this process, and alter their formation based on the mysterious uses of the other chemicals, which may distort the reality of any event done during contact with the concoction'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'stop the production of just a few minor compounds and all the shit you thought was fake instantly becomes fully real.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and maybe the schizos i know are on the lighter side of the mindfuck'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert nods.
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're specially formulated to reduce the body's ability to adapt it's natural resistance to nicotine dependence, and use that ability to spread disease and relief based on the choices of the newly confused mind'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'fun an independent research group into the affects of them and t heir combinations and why they doubled those in 2005'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Some people can be convinced that whatever mental symptoms that result from their condition, aren't real. Once they realize that, it gets a little easier to function in society... but some people are beyond that.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i guess'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's millions upon millions of geneva protocol violations on your united shelves right now, some technology violates them similarly, but they have too much money for world war 2 to mean anything'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Delusional Disorders like Erotomania or persecution complexes are impossible to explain away, simply because the person suffering from them are 100% convinced that what they're perceiving is real.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'being batshit crazy is better tho. the functioning schizos have pretty bad guilt and anxiety trips'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'everything i say has proof's to it, you can find them on government research and university research websites'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'if you're all the way crazy, you're subjectively fine. you don't know any better and thus can't be dissatisfied'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'There's something to be said for living in your own little world. I don't know any Schizophrenics personally, mind you.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not obviously put though, because if it was obvious everybody would know you can't trust no organizations that span the globe'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i know a bunch, they used to hang out at the bar where i worked'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'not all at once, but saw plenty of them. the place is very relaxed and everyone is velcome, no-one gets kicked out unless they cause serious trouble'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'most of them had a very bad rep elsewhere and were barred, so they came there'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'one of my exes has split personality and the other worked as a nurse in an asylum'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I can imagine. I've taken a few abnormal psych classes, and while it hardly makes me anything close to an expert on the subject, it does leave me pretty confident in saying it's a fucking awful disorder.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in 1950's the us government released video's about how to prepare for biochemical warfare and stuff, now that stuff is all impossible, but nobody raises a red flag when they see it added to their daily ignorant consumer's selection'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods cuth'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Wait, what Dru? Are you saying duck and cover doesn't work!?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's subjective, really'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'shit, they put it before the senate overlooking the FDA and let it through'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it was a isolated event is their main disillusionment'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I dunno, Dag. I like a good drug trip as next as the next person, but the inability to discern between hallucinations & reality is an awful curse.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i know batshit crazy people who are happy with themselves and others, who have less serious issues and their quality of life is worse because of that'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i see that people are usually less intelligent than me or cowards and therefore are insane where i am their crazy one'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i understand your point as an observer, but first person experience is something different'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert is agreeing with that Seltsimees Dagnir person again...
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if they're happy with themselves, then what is the criteria for quality of life being worse?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i always see a dark slothful intelligence in people though, looking through like death pretending it's not a living angel'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i mean, being the village idiot sounds subjectively more fun than having serious anxiety and/or panic attacks'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I suppose it comes down to environment, in a sense. If they can find someplace where they can exist without the anxities or handicaps associated with mental disorders, then I mean, all the more power to 'em.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'i.e: Not the South'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert runs away in utter terror!
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nobody has grounds to judge me, because i can point out innumerable flaws in anybody while they try to find mine'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why world war 3 is neccessary, because of your stupid judgements'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i had functioning in mind really. i suppose being a non-functioning happy crazy would be nicer than being normal for the most of the time but having serious attacks every once in a while'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Either that or WW3 is necessary because of the application of basic animal instinct on a global scale. Every once in awhile countries need to peck out a hierarchy :P'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can take on a crowd with my mind, while their minds are all taking me on'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'kind of like alzheimer's is worst at the beginning while you're still aware'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you hide in the crowd, i don't accept their illness as my own'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert nods at Dispel Majic.
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir nods at Dispel Majic.
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'after you're completely fucked and don't know anything, you sorta sit there going lalala and talking to your mother who's been dead for 30 years.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'My sister-in-law's grandfather has Alzheimers, he's absolutely the happiest person in the world.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'scary at first, but later you can poop anywhere and no-one is angry at you'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'He's locked in some kind of second childhood mode.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Yep. I worked in the nursing home for a long time.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so yeah, the so-called worst condition might be the best in the first persons perspective'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '98% of people here are paid to be here, who their boss is is a matter of pure speculation and revelation'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'paid to be where, Dru?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oh, that idea again'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you put your mind to a question long enough the answer will come out because it can't take the heat'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'druzil was convinced that the mud only has like 5 different people playing it on 400 chars'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but that was a while ago, it might have changed'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it only took 7 1/2 million years for 42 to come out'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'he's happy because he's wearing the Invisible Leash. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHI1v14T2bY'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Now if we could just figure out the question'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think some of you work with alex trebek on holodomor in the fog'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i work or nsa'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you have the proper stupidity index'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'steering that spy satellite over your house as we seek'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how much of the 20 billion per day in taxes do you waste on pointless spying?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'none of it is pointless, of course'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I use Watson as a personal assistant.  Try not to spread it so much that IBM finds out.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'obama and osama, we see the body of hussein'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'All of it.  And all of it is specifically spying on you.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'michael jackson's skin atonement is amazing'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Don the tin foil!  Charge the windmill of govermental oversight!'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'MJ didn't atone for his skin.  He willfully disowned it and donned a plaskin suit.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'both the polish prime minister and michael jackson were played repeatededly for 2 weeks in tandem, while michael jacksonville was erected in holodomor's ukraine'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'he wore the mask, not because of the third nostril, but because he bought and used some of The Joker's skin cream.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the strange lady came off the airplane on CNN to be reunited with a special chile who was rescued from the haitian ruins'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and nah, they didn't wear no parachutes or notice that it's time to jump'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i think i've read/heard something about manifestations of paranoid schizo somewhere. supposedly the "i'm being watched" this is very new '
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'death fakers wearing new identities'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'can't remember what the old common paranoia was tho :\'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you openly expose an alternative with the answer in plain sight you have yourself a black magician'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'DAT'S RACIST!!!'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: '...'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Sorry. Couldn't help it.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'lol. i wish a was black. i would learn some card tricks and be a black magician :D'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'AND play bass AND dance well'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'your intellect against mine is fueled by pride, mine's fueled by reality that your master pays to battle'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you use your book of demeanourishments that you didn't invent yourself against me, in attempts to remove the mind from the truth'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Reality is just a perception of sensory stimuli. I challenge your reality by pointing out reality is purely subjective and bears no resemblence to mine.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'god is stronger than money, the priest of melchizedek just forgot to pay his taxes to that fact'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'druzil - try playing vtm - bloodlines as a malkavian ;)'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that's, like, double crazy'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'belial's magic occurs in pairs, this is maybe just a ruse of the devil, but not many people can see the tricks as they affect the world'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'have you reached the Final Destination, Druzil?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the lying politician tells his wife that thing's can change, as he converts her face to those of the next adulteresses he will thing'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'half truth's have a grain of reality to them, it's one of the main powers of religious scribes'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dek: '( :D  ) <-- This is my brain,    This is my brain on Druzil ( O_o )'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Well, yes.  By definition a half-truth have have some truth.  Otherwise it would be a no-truth.  A zero-truth, if you will.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the wife wanted to believe he meant he wouldn't turn his eyes to that lady behind her and ahead of her, and so it became the politicians religion'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i am the first and the last, the alpha and the omega - bible facts.org'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'take my hand - the devils eye'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: ''ride in comfort, ride safely, ride with STC' says the bus line on the youtube ad localized to your country -- they forget to inform the viewer that they didn't install no metal detector's after a young carney's head was cut off on a trip to winnipeg'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how cheap is a metal detector on every door into a bus which costs 100 bucks to travel 400 miles?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Sorry man, a metal detector on buses is so impractical it'd be criminal to install them.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'x 50 head of people, 5000 bucks per journey, maybe 350 bucks for fuel'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one trip a cost deduction on the sparse staff that the profit is distributed among, plus there's luggage and shipping'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then you have a business boost because you don't get strip searched genitalia at an airport, and just metal objects examined by the doorsman/ombudsman'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you see people not doing their job, you're a crazy person, because you provided both a solution and a business boost as a result of the solution'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you still cannot take your prada handbag with the replica smith and wesson sown on the front onto the plane, though'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a certain material can disguise the presence of a metal object?  well, how hard would it be to detect that material?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the liquid turns blue if there is any coca residue'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Your solution is pretty optimistic though. Last thing anyone wants are more strip searches, and that'll be the logical conclusion of an admitted need for greater security on buses.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah?  metal detectors aren't strip searches, bar code readers at your store door's are more intrusive'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'No, but they will be in 3 - 5 years I bet :P'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'You're no fan of the government, you know how they'd act.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they monopolize their security they will be'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how come you pay taxes to protect your business and then you have to hire a private security 'firm' to protect your business?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Metal Detectors would be an admission that buses aren't safe, people would clamour for more safety, and before you know it you've got tightened security up to & including strip searches.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they protect every business the same way they protect yours, and they aren't even the government, is it wise to invest in a monotonous security complex?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Honestly, I'm no conspiracy theorist but when they got Bin Laden's info and started harping on "HE WAS PLOTTING AGAINST TRAINS!!!" I was waiting for 'heightened security' at train stations to become a reality.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people don't need no admissions that busses aren't safe, http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2008/07/31/greyhound-transcanada.html , they need the opposite'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this happened with the use of a large hunting knife which is composed of metal, which a metal detector would have noticed'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'That was 3 years ago, man. I remember that. There hadn't been an incident like it before, and we haven't had one since.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you're on a public bus why do you need crocodile dundees filleting knife in your pocket?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'An isolated incident is not a sign of a trend.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lol'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'don't try and engage druzil logically, just quietly ignore him'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Nah, he's a smart guy when he's being his more rational self.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but when there's a simple fix that is less intrusive than your trip to the store and costs as much as the minds who can build it for cheaper, then there's people not doing their job and a company that's going extinct because other companies want their main investment control points to supercede this one'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if i was in charge of greyhound it would be worth alot more money, because i would spend it logically'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Well yeah, but I mean, that goes without saying. Most people could run most Canadian transportation businesses better than their current owners.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i could run canada better than the people who currently do, because i'd leave everything open to debate and put simply with nothing hidden from the tax payers midns'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'which would be a threat to international monopoly gamers'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Depends. If you opened everything to debate, you'd never get anything done.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'd fund nationalization of most industry and accountability to the people who's taxes formed it'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'national socialism?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nobody would be left unemployed, if there was one found who wanted to work, i would remove a robot and employ a person, cut off a import and create an export'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i would invent the canadian dollar, which doesn't give a shit about the international dollar, except in sentient values of commodity neccessity for commodity neccessity, you have banana's we have wheat'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'international trade doesn't work that way, Druzil.  Try to cut off someone and they'll retaliate because of your dickheadedness.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'canada under the right people would never have had been poor or unemployed at any level, and everybody would have had plenty of free time after the daily work was done'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'depending on how dickheaded you were being, alternate sources might also cut you off.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Honestly, Canada's economy isn't a wreck right now so I'm not so concerned about that. It's Europe that has me worried.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and if somebody pointed a gun at it, it could have pointed any weapon imagineable back, because there's resources to defend itself through'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'If they go, we follow.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the military wouldn't have to be an abusive robot place, but a place that makes sense'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'europe's dead in the water.  All they get to do is go through the motions as they watch their euro collapse.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they got more soldiers, we have room for immigrants who aren't foreign spy agents'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all kinds of independence problems could be fixed, and everybody would be better off'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The Euro-Zone has been kicked around as an idea since the 16th century, I'm still surprised someone had the balls to finally do something about it :p'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'd never be a politician though, idea's are free, mine are the fact of the matter'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'decomissioned sinking british subs for 4 billion dollars'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Europe's the Solyndra of governments.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'canada has all the titanium and steel and uranium and other minerals to build a fleet of millions of submarines'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'lawl, here's hoping we never decide to, Dru.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the government owes the citizens 4 billion dollars'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we got the gas, though'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'over 4 million people killed in the 'democratic republic' of congo, which seems to have been invented by the USSR from 1998-2003, do you think the money you donate to starving charity actually turns into food?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's democracy they say on bbc'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'holodomor , look for the repeating history'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'tutu guy seems to blame south africa's problems on canada in grand speeches according to rex murphy'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'dalai lama is good friends with him'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how come obama didn't run for politics in kenya or somewhere where his grandmother was oppressed?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the coffee's alright though'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dek: 'I'm guessing because he's an American citizen born on American soil'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, that's why it was so hard for him to reveal that, fought in trump card until the very last'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how many american citizens would have a hard time revealing their past and providing evidence when asked to by the citizen's they reside over?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'didn't hear from bin laden much after 2004 or was it 2005'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dek: 'I'm sure its uncommon, but not entirely too rare.  I had trouble getting my birth certificate from West Virginia'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but they caught him in pakistan, you bet, why they couldn't have used common sense to disarm his influence over people instead of finishing george bush senior's job on iraq'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just saying it seems shady, not accusing him or tehm of nothing because i'm not god to reside over the reality of everything, both liars and truthers'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and they're supposedly callin the rebels who execute their opposition in libya the good guy's, but do good guys murder unarmed people?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you were a middle east african tyrant wanting control over teh whole region and had some connection to get into a position over a large military to use against the opposition to your rule back home, would you see a problem with using it?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't see anything good happening from warfare in the middle east, not a single thing'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'canadian 'peace keepers' resided in afghanistan since 1975 or so until 2000 without incident, or only minor incident'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sort of like police that citizens could seek for assistance at will'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no difference from islam ruling egypt as there was in history of apep ruling egypt, going on murdersprees'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's what i see happening from that'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people should learn to separate the god of the unknown from the god of this dirt'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Eniad - Nothing But Svengali (Mutant Dubstep)  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE_Slj1kWHA'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's what people in power teaching god's will are all about'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'another interesting thing is that people born in america and canada are of all descent's, america and canada produce and can produce 100% of all of the thing's they purchase from other nation's, using the absence of exported fuel to fuel hydroponic labs for instance'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'egypt and spain rely on somalian pirates not bombarding indonesian supply ship's along the canal - china and indonesia are ptty close, and china and russia have alot of military stuff to employ'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why is it that the east doesn't deal with it's own problems?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think they're sacrificing american and canadian citizen soldiers like goats to amilech in the bible, and the 15th century shakespear novels show some pilgrimages to die for the holy land as a recourse to contradiction'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nobody else sees thing's on such a grand world gladiator arena scale like me?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the 15th century story faust is another nail on the coffin, involving both muhammed and the vatican in it's pages'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the pope'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'oldest bibles i have in possession are 1850 polish versions'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i watched this show on bloods and cryps in la last night, and this one officer hammer or whatever operation said that when they were active there was a low crime rate among the hoods and then the middle class districts in la compared to otherwise, before and after, and the inventor of one of those gangs was against the use of firearms to resolve problems - one reason the cop said their operation there stopped is because they were screaming racism and segregation and the big mouths in the media who could possibly be bought with the crack income for a helping opinion were voicing their acknowledgement of that - but there was heard from in this national geographic story black people who lived there at the time who observed that wasn't the case most of the time'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so, is racism and this stuff like religious hate crimes mostly just fuel to prevent action being taken against the people who hide behind them?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in modern society i mean'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one drug dealer, 5000 bucks a night, could invest in alot of businesses with money like that'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '35000 bucks a week'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '2 working men's yearly wages in a month'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and that's a redistributor'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'seems to be a pretty bad symptom of society, since money decides who breeds and moves on and who's children will be slaves'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the most rotten of the bunch only can pass into the stupid tomorrow'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what kind of person with any pride would want to work in a world where somebody makes his life's wages at any possible job he could choose, in a single week of their corrupting the world he lives in?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's like the greatest offense in the history of history'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'world war 3 is neccessary again'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I'm happy with what I have, and I wouldn't want their lives for all the money in the world.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not jealous of them either, but if i was one of them i could at least distribute my wealth among people who deserve it and not be held accountable by them for being the reason their lives suck'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'jealous cause i can't move on in life because of them yeah, but that's more an issue of being mortal and having a limited amount of time to consider the situation from'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'But you wouldn't. If you were one of them you'd only care about yourself, because that's the kind of person it takes to be successful at that work.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'when i was a kid i was different from the other kid's, not cause i was stupid, but because i couldn't lie and feel good after defiling somebody else'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as far as i know there is no next life, only the absence before and after'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so heaven isn't enough of an excuse for this life being hell'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i see mortal sins when i see a businessman or landowner underhanding his tenants, politicians lying to their people and lawyers not saying thing's how they are with crooked judges are my new testament'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're not the type of sin that impacts only a single other who can forgive you, they're the kind of sins that impact millions or billions and m aybe countless trillions of organisms on the world, and are blanked from the minds of the victims to think it's ok'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i never was guilty of doing that, but i have plenty of reasons why i never tried'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'on the movie about the crips and blood's on national geographic channel, their founders were sorry they ever started those gangs, but went into detail on why they were created in the first place, so you can't always hold the originator responsible for the lost reason's that they continue'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Greenpeace is a good example of that.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Last I heard the original founders were absolutely ashamed to be related to its current incarnation :P'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, i don't think greenpeace is beyond the power of giving people a false sense of security from destruction of the world'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'never have and never will, like i don't think the red cross is beyond carrying munitions while they say it's against their amnesty'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Amnesty International is another one. They're so busy berating N. America for various complaints, but they won't say a thing about the abuses of other countries. They go for the easy victories because that's what makes them money.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nearly every large canadian business is owned through america by australia or a eastern nation'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'RIM?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's like you can own your local macdonalds but are a member of the franchise, the frontman is as far as the reporters look'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is there much of a difference from the police not doing their job for private security firms to secure your business to the criminals asking the business owner to pay a second tax in order to protect their business from burning down?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i see politicians as the biggest welfare bums on the world, and king's as the bottom of the beggar's cup'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'secured by ADT, doing what the countless billions of tax dollars dished out today couldn't afford to do for you, but allowing both to exist anyways'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's why you pay a pst and a gst on every item purchased from the store, for the owner to take from his pocket and give to a private contractor that does what the government doesn't'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this protects you from rowboats in places where trees don't grow in the desert across the ocean from coming and infiltrating your mountains of steel'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'debate subject's that are real:  is there any real reason why not trading or accepting travel of any form at all from places which are threatening to your place a cheaper solution than buying warship's worth as much as a nuclear russian icebreaker weighing in at 23 time's the complexity as these warships with the tax dollars that could have afforded replacing interactions with the nation you set up war against?  russia can build 23 warships for the cost that american slander taxes pay for 1 - read up on this from time magazine and defense contractor's if you're interested - http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quotes_about/foreign+policy [America] goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. She will commend the general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example. She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even th'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'tldr'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'cool wall of text bro'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'Great. As if this state weren't shitty enough, a teacher tried to remove the word 'gay' from 'Deck the Halls'.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ryke sighs.
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, i think abortion is a bigger issue than homosexuality, but corporations have more individual rights than their fertilized shareholders (of the delusion)'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'anything to take people's minds off of the core realities of fundamental questions, what's justin biever up to today?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'I totally agree, gay couples should be allowed to have abortions too!'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Why? Is he up to something?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert perks up, something must have grabbed her attention.
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'I saw him near my apartment last week, actually'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert lets out a sudden squeal of delight!
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nope, but he's like that cartoon politics i mentioned earlier, when ideological concerns left the bargaining table'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I'm a belieber!'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'chances are he's not very much in control over his publicity'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'Because you saw her face?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'No doubt, Dru.'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Probably like Selena Gomez, they just worked her 'til she passed out :P'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, and svengali ballet's in winnipeg mentioned on the news, never heard nothing at all about svengali until i mentioned it, not one little bit of it was normalized'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's some proof that sometimes i discuss thing's in the vision of people who control the culture i live in, and they make it real to show me the long arm of their perverted law'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why would a childrens choir of white children from saskatoon saskatchewan go to a area of south africa where aids is integrated into sesame street and apartheid is still practiced?'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the girls choir it was too, they say the congo is the rape capital of the entire world'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i like to see who i'm dealing with here, i don't think it's very holy'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'rolling stones magazine says sakatoon is nothing but whores'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so rolling stones is part of their charade too'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no god fearing priest would desecrate the name of god by sending his peoples virgin daughters to the mouth of a rapist criminal and calling it normal, just saying'
T3/r5/2011-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the helpfile is incompetently worded -- some are unable to speak or write english properly -- USAmericans, republicans, religious-nutters, foreigners, ...'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'even the English are unable to speak English properly -- they mispronounce:  "colonel as kernel", "lieutenant as leftenant", "worchestershire as worster",..  '
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in english sin is a crime against god, in spanish it means no'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: '...no.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the sound of word's means generally the same thing in all languages, the tower of babel's what made people speak differently and think differently about what's spoken instead of focusing on the real language used, which is in control of the distribution we use today'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's tailings of a gold mine in australia which are thought to be from a gold mine that fed a 1 world empire, there's pieces of it all over, we speak different by intelligent ignorance designers'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as an experiment of the egyptian belief that at utterance of a word the soul of the being it belongs to would arrive, read up on the hindu OM meditation's, and try some out of curiousity, you might find your mind confronted with the unexplainable, and see more meaning to the formulation of word's than it's undefined origins, there's a river called Heh in egyptian mythology where a egyptian version of a murderous god killed people, today it's laughter, so we learn to make a hehhehe sound when we are amused we are calling that river to ourselves if we do so with knowledge - it sounds stupid, but so does whatever heh is pointed at'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's real stuff though'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they still give people a secret name at birth and called them by another for society with belief that without the real name of a person nobody will be able to cast spells on them'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'and what's with Yonge steet in Toronto (rhetorical) -- that misleads tourists when they are told go west until you find Young street -- later at Spadina some may suspect they walked too far'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why do they call a computer system Sun, and sell it to microsoft, so microsoft owns the sun that processes your polaroids of the sun?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why not something that isn't above everybody?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'counting machine, CM sounds a little cleaner'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why do they sell vehicles with smiling people in them, who find themselves in a 5 year debt plan pending foreclosure of their house if they don't ay it off?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'humour funny stuff, yeah this is a really fun car, it was mostly built by robots'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how come the sound of the word jupiter is like jew pitter and brings about memories of mass graves in holocaust, while being worshipped as god during the time of jesus in ancient rome?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's a mysterious astronomy isn't it?  why not something else?  who named it?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I hate to break it to you, but jupiter predates the holocaust by a little bit.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ryke snickers with Dispel Majic about their shared secret.
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what they call it might not though'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not many recorded cases of cancer before the 20th century began and industrial revolution, but 69 is the cancerous symbol and one of the mandatory kinky sex position's for all adult film's, while being a snicker in the shcoolyard'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is all of this commutitatively assuming the form of a death cult's manifestation on the world?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'dude, they've even found dinosaurs with bone cancer.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'in the prior years when i used the word Jupiter, never once did the association "Jew-piter" occur  (since Jupiter is roman/greek not jew)'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'a lot of internal cancers or blood cancers, like leukemia, would be undiagnosed'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and back to the "jew-pitter" thing ... the god Jupiter predates the english word "jew" by a long time as wel.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'George W. Bush ruined the planet America.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"retarded" is not a cuss-word when an apt description'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'Or ever.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the oil industry and monsanto retard the future of science?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'my semi is driven by metaphor's'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'kelowna construction companies won't hire me because i have scars on my arms where they have dragon tattoes and love hate carved into the backs of their fingers with scar branding's, but america's going on the hunt internationally to make sure that homosexuals aren't discriminated against at all - there's a difference between death sentences and individual discernment of employability, ask the crack head who they said i was but wasn't http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16062937'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they even tattoo a teardrop under their eye to show mock sympathy to the homosexuals they build mansions for'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but if you have any carvings that aren't symmetrically branded there by members of their craft you're ostracized, nevermind homosexuals they build pyramids for'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i think they won't hire you because you're crazy'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and they're pretty sane i guess, that's fine, you tell yourself that the next time you meet a warkite string along the way'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or was that a car bomb meant to not kill a little boy outside his house'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah they're the epitaph of sanity they are'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'at least i don't kill people and pretend that i'm a good member of society like they do'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sons of antichrist versus sons of anarchy'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'my spear it verus your spirit'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hypocrites always get what they deserve in the end, a lying priest to a dirty grave, get your head out of your ass'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16065510 what do you all make of this?  The accuser's and resistance to the increased benefit towards struggling nation's is being resisted by Europe, Japan and the USA who account for 2/3 of the world's consumption here -> instead of following suit and saying ok, we will replace some of your slave waged walmart products with home-made job opportunities, they indicate that sanctions will be taken if they attempt to increase the efficiency of the equality of nations on the world'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Setwanted Snewb: 'you are wrong.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'what he said'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'my description talks about what i think about most war's in the world and how this is an example of those, only with the stupidest prayer in the book could you ever miss the point'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Setwanted Snewb: 'doesnt matter what you are saying. you are wrong.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they didn't teach us how to build transformer robot's on sesame street :(, we want to go to war with our megatron's instead'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's like the lawyer who represented me once, he wanted me to be found guilty because he makes more money for a conviction than a defense, and since i was a young person he knew what i most likely didn't know and never extrapolated the whole story, telling me i'm doomed from the start - in reality the reason i went to jail is because of a misunderstanding in which i wasn't informed of why i was being apprehended, it was like the laws that put that irish person in jail in the name of the father, they just take whoever they want and rely on the stupidity of their toy along with the deception of their lawyers to get their way - i can find out alot of links like these in canadian police and justice departments'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Setwanted Snewb: 'doesnt matter what you are saying. you are wrong.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'evil does more good than bad'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'psychiatrists who misdiagnose patients or normal doctor's who take that responsibility to themselves don't pay for their crime's that destroy the diagnosed mind, they move and the record of who they were is erased by their employer, who is a eugenics type of organization which control's the minds of canadian children in their developmental processes'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Setwanted Snewb: 'doesnt matter what you are saying. you are wrong.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'very bad criminals, like the hitler youth program's except not seen in a current reality'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Setwanted Snewb: 'what are you actually debating? you spew random conspiracy/fictional ideas. please take it to clan or group talk.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i see them though, what my problem was was that i wasn't conformed to the level of stupid obedience of the school and had a very active and therefore insulting mind to the teacher's who couldn't stand this show of rebellion on their timetable's, while i was absolutely capable of teaching myself any subject they offer in school the whole time through those schools, their job was to wreck my brain'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's not fiction at all, i can provide factual evidence of millions of cases of this'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Setwanted Snewb: 'do so then.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'everything from serial killers to demented paladin's to soldiers etc, you name it i can source points in their life that were installed and prodded them onwards to their tendencies'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'one day you will be nuked'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Setwanted Snewb: 'stop the tangent and show your facts.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that doesn't bother me, one day japan had a nuclear meltdown'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Setwanted Snewb: 'and what?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they partially succeeded, Druzil.  They got the mindprobes in when you weren't looking, and they infiltrate new instructions in the pills you're supposed to be taking.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that was a bit more disconcerting, but i was more concerned with the 40 million tonnes of trash arriving on the canadian shore and the absence of concern over arctic drilling after the gulf of failureco'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Setwanted Snewb: ''tons''
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'well we are programmed by government called law ruels policies etc but we have the choice not to follow an run butb then go to jail'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Setwanted Snewb: 'stop feeding him fodder'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, a person can have their own mind and still choose to follow the law, like they can tend to break the law by the systems which they are raised through with a programmed mind to do so'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do i want to let my brain be programmed or not?  not a choice here'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Setwanted Snewb: 'tin foil hats, i think they are ineffective against the alien-run government. Druzil: by your spewing of rabble i assume you wear the shiniest one of all. how effective do you find your tin foil hat?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they don't offer full on psychotropical detailing of the predators children will encounter within the course of their life, from teh gacy construction company's that actually exist to varoius other shady factor's of the spectrum of criminal realities, some of which put liar politicians on their throne and erase the question of why they don't pay for being liars from the cartooned minds'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Setwanted Snewb: 'tin foil hats, i think they are ineffective against the alien-run government. Druzil: by your spewing of rabble i assume you wear the shiniest one of all. how effective do you find your tin foil hat?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, need a tinfoil hat to wonder why nobody teaches your kids that your principal might be a pedophile within his school doors, which are mandatory to work at a shell gas station after getting a drivers liscence'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'huh?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'stupid fucks, government is crooked from the top down, not the bottom up'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Setwanted Snewb: 'you have to be a pedophile to pump gas?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'That's what I got from it Snewb'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Setwanted Snewb: 'This is not an xrated channel, watch your language Druzil'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no, but i went to an elementary school where i was the only kid who suspected bandurka was a pedophile, and a girl confirmed my suspicion as he expelled me from his walls, and he arrived on the CTV news running away from his succeeding throne with a girl his daughters age'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Setwanted Snewb: 'i would think principals are bottom of the government, so i guess the pedophiles arent crooked?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's why they give me ritalin, because i can see bandurka's and teach other students that guy isn't very good like he pretends to be'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'i pump my own gas, does that mean I R pedophile????????????????'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you need a grade 12 to work at a gas station'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'lol sometimes thinking so deep is too much'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Setwanted Snewb: 'no you dont.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'to do that you spend 6 and a half hours every day of your life from age 5 to age 18'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'grade 7 only lol'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'under their roof, while your parents 99% of the time spend all of their time at work and barely have time to raise you'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Setwanted Snewb: 'you generally can get a job at 15. so you crazed logic is just wrong.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so the system raises you instead'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Setwanted Snewb: 'oh, im sorry, you have personal knowledge of everyones home situations?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'i had a paper route when i was 12, does that mean the newspaper R teh pedophiles????'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'since they assumed the position of slaving everybody to death with no free time while requiring they raise your kids, they should be required to equip children with the set of psychological tools that serial killers and other criminals employ in their day to day dealings under your sheltering sky'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Setwanted Snewb: 'pretty sure my mom was a homemaker and was around my entire childhood. wrong again you are say yoda'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'the crooked system? so what means to say, you were raised by the crooked system too become a crooked civil and now use tin hats?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as it is, if you learn yourself a mind trick deceiver you got yourself a chance to be one of those people'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Setwanted Snewb: 'why dont you get off your butt and go DO something about all these terrible things instead of crying about it on a text based game!?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as it could be, those people wouldn't have very much places to hide in a world where everybody was aware of what could be their nature'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'because who i do something for is mostly composed of the people i hate'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Setwanted Snewb: 'of course, you are a total failure of a person Druzil.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, i'm such a failure like that spill in the gulf of mexico, i'm a living oil company, god forbid'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Setwanted Snewb: 'no, at least that mess could be cleaned up.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i got myself a pay hike for my awesome work as the gas prices soared last january'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, they just won't ever figure out how'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Setwanted Snewb: 'im sure your gas station boss is so proud of you!'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Setwanted Snewb: 'Aim high! you have what it takes to be a wal-mart greeter!!!!'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'although i pointed out how several time's, because they're too arrogant they ignored me and then they used the banned chemicals instead, wise man in charge doin the thinking'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'wow I'm learning new words!'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i have what it takes to do whatever i want, i just don't see anybody worth doing it for, so there's no logical course of action under the pedophile ministry'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Setwanted Snewb: 'Druzil, go take your meds. this is getting old.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'yip and so is druzil'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'plus i have geneva protocol violation's used against me since i can remember, in the real world the king will be thrown in the volcano first'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Setwanted Snewb: 'do whatever you want?! HAHA you sit on your butt playing aard, watching youtube and reading up on conspiracy theories. you really do NOTHING. You just fail.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'druzil your afterlife will be misserible'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Setwanted Snewb: 'maybe he will come back as a tin foil hat.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as long as you're either not there, or suffering in excstasy, it will be that much better'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'snewb stop telling us you secrets'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Setwanted Snewb :P
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Setwanted Snewb: 'the ewoks are going to join the lizardmen and turn over congress, then the white house, and declare war on italy in the next few years.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'druzil one whith glory is one whith power'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i like how the bullies in school expected that the law would protect them from ever being killed by their classmate's, and they grew into fine assholes in the adult world, it's not so fun when they receive a baseball bat to the back of the head and stop to think about why for a moment or two :9'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if this world's the game of killing then what else do the kids need to know except the most efficient way how?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Setwanted Snewb: 'no bully relys on laws. they clearly dont think of the law as they continually harrass. see, fiction.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'flipside, harness, they only teach mind games to children in private schools who tell the meat heads who didn't stop to wonder why where to go'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Setwanted Snewb: 'are you high?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm about as low as you can go'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'yess'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Setwanted Snewb: 'so you are on downers?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'oh you a low life?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nope, i'm like the priest of the angel of the bottomless piot'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Setwanted Snewb: 'whats a piot?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a gear?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'lol'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Setwanted Snewb: 'and why would a angel need a priest?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'because the priest wanted to learn all about the angel'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Setwanted Snewb: 'why?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'sounds like a phinofile'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'because he could destroy your world according to the book, and then the laughter dies'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Setwanted Snewb: 'why?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and he's a pretty dark person, good god of the miserable'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Setwanted Snewb: 'why?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'bananah'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Setwanted Snewb: 'dark person, 'good god'?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'true god yeah, homopsychological people would pretend to smile like all the people on your television set and around your fictional life protocol's, because they're smiling for your worshipping approval and some money, even if you're the scum of the earth - he has lots and lots of money'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Setwanted Snewb: 'Druzil: Why though?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Setwanted Snewb: 'whats a television set?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Setwanted Snewb: 'whats money?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Setwanted Snewb: 'whats scum?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Setwanted Snewb: 'whats earth?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all of them are thoughts'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Setwanted Snewb: 'Druzil: Why?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'happiness has been made fiction sometime in the last 100 years'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe it was 5000 instead, only the people who wrote the book would know'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'smile for the murdering tyrant dictator or he'll think you're the devil!'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Setwanted Snewb: '100 or 5000, LOL you are so funny'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'pass on your tendencies to your unsuspecting children'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the cow weighs 5 times as much as the heavy cowboy, but the calf sees it running away from the little barking genius'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Setwanted Snewb: 'i hope you are sterile.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'where does the semi trailer go to mooma?  mooi don't know, but nobody ever came back'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Setwanted Snewb: 'the cowboy barks?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people and cow's are about the same thing's on some level's'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they don't teach this in school either, because that would prepare people against those semi's ever taking them by surprise'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'so you would fuck a cow?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nope, but jerry springer would interview somebody who would'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'language please'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'sorry'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'don't knock it until you try it, Luke'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'knock?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'so you had your way with a cow?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'in this case, "knock it" = "I know I won't like it, so I'll say bad things about it"'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I suppose I should plead the fifth on that one, given rules on Aardwolf about discussing drugs and stuff.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'dokkar means?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'cow milester?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's a bastardization of a mudcurrency type (dokora).'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'sounds like deboura'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there is no independent media station's, only maybe once in awhile a documentary, or a message through fiction, not a independent analyst finding some new boost energy drink violation's of both excess quantity resulting some several heart attacks and marketing to minor's in high schools, nor a overhaul of the fundamental questions of why so much antidepressants have to be prescribed to so many depressed people, which only in 1950 replaced the lobotomy as the main recourse against clinical psychiatric diagnosis'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the media is the government is whoever is behind those things'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'shut up'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that's why I only listen to Fox News.  The media hates them, so obviously they're right.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'pure fermenting evil in the sunshine smells a little like that smell doesn't it?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if the immune system doesn't detect a disease, the disease spreads, if the immune system has an autoimmune disease, everything become's it's target'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'country's are a little like these basic diseases and system's against them'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'could swear you were sisters'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most country's are missing a system against autoimmune diseases, that is open to the member's of the immune system and the cell's regulated by it'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hey dummy, i'm a white blood cell, the reds are the problem here, vice versa, racism in biology and stuff, i'm not the problem here instead!  can fit in your god war's into the same thinking'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'because you didn't throw the fat money pig who lived on everybody's suffering into the volcano god burned the earth is one possible response there'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'what's wrong with finals?  Lots of good tale can be had then, all you have to do is play your cards right.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'mix'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'only matters of the utmost concern get taken to the flaming mountain of moses, maybe this is the modern G-7 summit, where the 7 metaphorical heads of the beast diction the lives of 1 billion people each, they are judges of a billion, then there's judges of 100 millions..tens and individual discretion -> how would anybody born under their system be able to see that it exists?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why do they call it the summit?  they're talking about a mountain, mountains have summits'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'you know what the metaphorical heads are?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '7 king's'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'that's right, the 7 world powers'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'from egypt up until the anglo-american alliance'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'world population doubles every 15 years some people say, that's quite a bit isn't it?  do you see them making holocausts happen in the future, maybe while not discussing what they're doing with the ignorant masses?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'egypt, assyria, babylon, medo-persia, greece, rome, anglo-american'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'babylon would be iraq wouldn't it, or is it including iran?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'it's somewhere around there, but as prophecy foretells the site lays desolate and unbuilt upon'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'In the past 20 years, it's gone up by about 1/6th.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Definitely not 'doubles every 5''
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'it seems the world is going to destroy itself before another holocaust can take place'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '15 is what i heard, maybe you're right, though,t here's alot of poor nation's where the news is outlawed'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'peak oil, global warming, all that jazz'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'earthquakes and famines on the rise'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the world destroying itself as a result of human ignorance is possible, humans definitely intelligently destroy this world'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'When I was 8, the world population was just under 6 billion. Right now, 20 years later, it's just over 7 billion.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'it's not necessarily even a result of human ignorance as opposed to human greed'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Huh, I didn't know we passed the 7bil mark'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'yeah......'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'those are because the ice caps are melting into the subtectonic oceans buried beneath the continents.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they make the world suck for themselves, and the world is destroyed while they do that, and the world sets itself on a course of destruction to wipe them out, that makes sense, it's justified somewhat -> the world can observe if intelligent through the sky that the majority of people didn't choose what they done to it, and were instead led to their courses by a few human's instead, like those 7 kings'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'crazy thing is, even at <7Billion there is enough resources for all........'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not an atheist and while aliens are possible i don't think of them as the limits of life's expansion and possibility'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'but severe mismanagement means a huge percentage of the population are living on next to nothing'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if the stories are true, eventually they're going to spring a leak and make a true waterworld out of Earth in a 150 years.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alixana's Gregor: 'heh, if the "stories" are true we will be getting destroyed sometime next year'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can see death as an intelligent designing entity that make's the end appear if i want, because i can't prove it's not, and alot of death's seem to conclude that it's absolutely unlikely that those event's would line up in that exact sequence to result in that outcome, etc'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'You can look at anything and call it unlikely. Life, for example.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'You can look at anything and call it unlikely. Life, for example.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Ack, sorry for double-post.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'your pet snake landed on the return key, eh?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Totes. By which I mean my hand.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, there's that cult of 13 the uncanny number on the day of the knights templars death and stuff, friday the 13th, the 13/1000th fraction of one 1000 day day to god (one day to god is 1000 to man bible verse), jesus rose on this third day if going by that clock, now in the eye of the devil movie the cult director gets it in mind that there will be 12 cultists sacrificing the 13th as the christ to represent the apostles, so as an effort to hypothesize this alternative end of the world scenario, they murder the year 2013 to prevent jesus from being reborn'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, my birth year, date and time are all 6's or multiples of 6. am i the antichrist?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Yes, dur.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert is hassling Seltsimees Dagnir for cash for beer, better leave before she comes for you.
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sounds as unlikely as a clock being programmed to predict the end of the world with the davinci code 4000 years ago in the ruins of a empire where egypt didn't make it over hear.. they say on history tv'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the 12 sacrifices is actually a Messiah myth from the jewish faith.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the cocaine residue found on egyptian artifacts was received during more recent transportation, using a feeble boat as their mythbusting platform -> but those ruins in guatemala only softer than diamond for instance and very large in peru and other places show a similar construction platform that the worldwide builders used back then'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they're like the expendable bodyguards that prevent the messiah from being murdered.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so that's how the built the pyramids. aliens on coke'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think if there's any man-made predictor of the end of time then there's links to the object itself that pulls the event's into place, or else a few people are given the task of making sure they come to pass'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i've heard cocaine is one hell of a drug'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't want nothing to do with it, it bothers me reading about how people are treated for it, because they just wanted to work in a rose factory'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'jacob zuma is a alien fighting for suvival'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: '6 wives and 21 kids lol adaptations'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not all people are the same, but knowing what goes on and just because you don't directly have a hand in it, doesn't mean that you're free from that awareness, that can be walked away from by not repeating it, but that would be met with alot of the same stress found in my whois i think, happens when autoimmune diseases aren't monitored by both the individual cells and the immune system'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's got to be a reason why a filthy rich person who can't possibly spend all of his money with all of his childrens and friends help would keep on collecting more money at the expense of other's sovereignty over their own lives'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'actually, to make things even more interesting, i've was born on the 6th day, 6th hour and 6th minute. coincidentally, my ex has the exact same birth time (one year later tho)'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'what to you think about that, druzil?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe they're holocaust survivor's that are taking out their frustration on the future of these oblivious unrelated human's, most of which had nothing to do with the holocaust - else there's something else, this kind of question fuels alot of people on their why quests'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I wonder if perhaps the two of you don't realize you've got the same father, like a real-life keanu reaves movie.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'doesn't surprise me much more than the 7th son of a 7th son by iron maiden or the number of credit's in h.r gigers alien film'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why do people even bother to argue about putting machines out of work?  that car will put itself together, but how can you pay for it?  '
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the machine is one micromillimetre more accurate than a human being, great selling point, they repeat the same mistake 340,000 times as well, could people manage that?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe a cigarette smoker could with their habit of choice, but what are they addicted to here in my factory of thought?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is the machine solar powered like a human?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the machine never has a sick day :P'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'talk about high demands and prices, if it costs that much then how come they choose paying that instead of the wages of people?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'depends. how many people is the machine replacing? :P'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'did you just call humans solar powered'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're considering sacrificing the northa nd south poles while nasa speculates in 50 years madagascar and coastal usa will be underwater cities costing billions of money to prevent with sea walls'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there's a reason people use, for example, hay balers instead of having people go out with pitchforks and fork it into wagons pulled by horses.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'because it's backbreaking work for a LOT of people ... or one guy with a baler :P'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they know they can't clean up no spill there, there is very few people who will watch what they do, and nobody will do so independently'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nobody'll even know they're fucking the place up'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Humans are in a sense solar powered. A continuous and prolonged lack of sunlight weakens us.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'in that sense, everything on earth is solar powered'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Yup.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'And? :P'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'just pointing out how insane an argument it is'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why the madagascar will disappear = because humans are developing the permafrost regions with their demand for higher micrometres than employed humanity'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'humans are solar powered, and the machines aren't!'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'fucking druzil'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'It's a strange angle, but he technically isn't wrong.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'well what else is the equation'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and contrary to popular opinion, there aren't a huge amount of people waiting in line to do menial back-breaking work at long hours and low wages :P Most of the people I know who are farming can't FIND good help ... they hire people and they quit shortly afterwards because the work is too hard :P'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'yeah, no one wants to work in farmwork'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'except for immigrant workers, but for some reason Canada/America hates them now'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'DEY TUK ER JERBS!'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right. Which is one reason it's done by machines. Not to put guys out of work. But because there simply aren't people lined up to do the damn work.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'DEY TUK ER JERBS - that no one wants to work'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that depression rate isn't quite as high in area's of the world where people can actually live off the land for themselves and do something productive at the same time'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Averan.
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hell, i know a fair few farms that are now going specifically for immigrants because they're a) willing to work those jobs and b) appreciate intangible benefits more ...'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'that is one thing I'll agree with Druzil, modern society is alienating and lacks community/extended family values'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if sitting around playing unreal tournament all day is the end game solution and definition of happiness for people then people forgot what living is, there's no problem at all in daily working when you're working for something you can keep and see the results of, it used to be as easy as looking for that moment of stress free doing nothing, work was part recreation and part survival, now it's robotic efficiency'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'i.e. free housing for you AND your family on the property, you can walk over to have lunch with the wife and kids ... a couple of them even do english classes :P'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'part recreation ... how long have you worked in a manual labor job? :P'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'chickens who are raised in a caring family pasure are more healthy to consume and produce better eggs and live a higher level of morality life than chicken's you buy from kfc'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'If you're working for yourself, the work is more rewarding'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I agree w/you there av :P'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they do a little bit of chicken raising in some cities, that's alright stuff, but they still serve a machine to afford to raise their chickens'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the chicken's about the end game product of what they work for, food, roof, job'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I don't begrudge anyone who enjoys/excels at manual labour positions. But man, I'm 5'10 & 140 pounds, 8 hours of heavy lifting is not for me.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who needs to assemble power zords for lego dummies until machines replace them at the assembly line's and madagascar sinks?  that's not even a need, my uncle used to make toys himself, they meant more than something bought on the slaved shelves'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's not hard to amuse a kid, sometimes a hammer and some nails with something to nail them into is sufficient'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if people want to buy hand-made objects (and some do) they can find them. but they cost more. and they always will.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'jgeez, back in them day's driving around in a big dump truck and playing farmer or cowboy's hunting buffalow ith indians was considered fun, and then the penny was introduced in kindergarten'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, like they make lemon grease furniture polish but put fake lemon's in your lemonade mixes'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'problem is that once kids start playing video games they lose some ability to amuse themselves.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'they've done an interesting study -- '
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'they took some babies who were perfectly happy with a mobile with two objects dangling on it ... split them into two groups and gave one group a much better mobile with like ten objects'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Well, I think the main issue is the aggressive over-protectiveness of parents. They complain about their kids sitting around playing video games, but then sit there and terrify their children about "Stranger danger!" stories.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'let them play for a while, then moved them back to their old mobiles'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, my mom told me not to smoke and smoked like a steam engine'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'they fussed ... meanwhile the ones who'd never had the mobile w/more objects were still perfectly happy :P'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods, but it's not just parents cuthbert'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what the hell is this, if i was a parent who didn't want their kid to smoke i would set that example'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'no, of course not, that's oversimplifying. But video games aren't the root cause either.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'my dad was more honest 'what you see me doing, don't do that''
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'things like banning a 10yo from walking less than 3 blocks to school, it was the SCHOOL who banned them.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'of course that would be impossible cause there's at least some things that have to be done, both are bad parents overall, but they both had their ok points'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hell, my mom made no bones about wihing she'd not started smoking'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The thing that ticks me off though are kids with cell phones. I don't own a cell phone, haven't needed one yet beyond luxury uses. I was teaching in a class and a 4th grader asked to see my cell phone and I was like "Don't have one" and she seemed confused because 'even her 5th grade brother has one' :P'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'it's pretty unusual to not have a cell phone these days'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I have one, becasue it's the same price as a land line, and more convenient'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I've noticed. Bus trips are funny at times, everyone just sitting around with their faces glued to their cell phones.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I don't have one atm :)'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I like technology, but even I understand that there has to be at least some time each day where you aren't staring at a screen.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'yeah, I went camping a few times over summer'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'and until we got out of tower range, everyone sat in the van staring at their phones'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'well, there's thing's like 10 yo's walkign to school and thing's like the release date of the movie grayman and the possibly inspired killer in new york who we heard about, if you can't prevent those movies from being watched by anybody who can figure out where their parents hid the access code's, then what's being done to teach the growing mind's in school about the various mental problems that can accumulate to the points of no return?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Honestly, there's no reason for kids to have cellphones. I hear the "what about emergencies!?" line a lot, and frankly, none of them let their kids go out by themselves anyway.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's what i was talking about earlier, they took parenting away from parents mostly, kids have to go to school, and the media isn't censored'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'If they're at school and something happens, the school has phones that worked last I checked.'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'it's a symptom of the over-parenting that's getting more common'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'except for some very touchy subjects, like the n-word is a sin held higher than all the homicide ever touched the film'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: '"The world is dangerous now, I  must be able to contact my child all of the time!"'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and machine's take all the job's away from their future's, what happens to kids eventually?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the failure's aren't ever studied as broadly as the few success stories'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'get a job running the machine :D'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this is what resulted in this person's failed state'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Heard someone refer to the Ipod Touch as "the most requested toy for Christmas, by children" ... and I guess I'm getting old, but since when has an Ipod been a TOY?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Fuck it. I'm getting my cane and my rocking chair, I give up :('
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now that's interesting, better than this person is so happy, he's happy cause he has money and was led through life with a caring finger to his success, this guy's rich but an asshole but we won't discuss him, mister happy does his stuff and this and that, meets the co-protagoness of his happy dreams, faces a few mild struggles compared to the person shooting heroine into their scab's and then walks away in a happy sunset'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's not the reality of most lives here, it doesn't empathize with people, horror movies do a better job of that'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'before money was introduced to the world people had other thing's in mind, like survival - and they traded in material substances when they traded, their daily work was survival and doing whatever else they wanted to - now the world is the exact opposite, absolutely everywhere, the only way to be free from the system is not to be born'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'doesn't mean abortion's a good thing, it's still murder'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what did you teach the dumb girl who couldn't think beyond the penis of the dumb boy who you trained through the system?'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'abortion prevention doesn't get anywhere near as much attention as abortion, and abortion is ok'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'use a condom, but he's curious if he slipped what it feels like'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, like you can't teach morality to people at all'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you're capable of doing the direct opposite, so you should be able to clean up your mess'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the movie american pie was probably watched by 80 million teenagers and children, and they learn about what is this penthouse magazine if they didn't already know, and wow it's a joke, look at everybody laughing, yeah that's how you got there, it's pretty funny isn't it?  the more people a dictator has to throw around the more he sacrifice in vain to show the enslaved how easy they are to replace - money and machines and making sure you are at the brink of stitching your fingers at the jean factory is an example of a metaphorical reality about this'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they don't work at a safe pace that they are capable of, some people have quick finger's some have arthritis or other ailment's, but the ailments will put them out of work cause they're not as fast of a producer and there's no other jobs in town while 80 million people are waiting to replace theirs, sacrificed'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and they didn't even wear the jeans they stitched'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one person stitching 10,000 pair of jeans, that's 30 years of buying a new pair of jeans every day'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they can barely afford to pay off their rent with that'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if everybody sewed their own jeans people would be alot more relaxed'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'could you picture the richest man in the world with worthless money having to stitch his own clothing? cause i can'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so since the answer to this question is the use of murderous force and being a coward stitching the pants for the person who will kick you for your trouble's, the best course of action is to school all children in all the known arts of psychological and physical warfare and tendencies that enemies follow as they go to war against people who try to make them stitch their jeans while they kick them'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'short of abusing them of course, that's only something a dog kicker re-enacts'
T3/r5/2011-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'don't want to live a world full of violence though do we?  we are already ruled by it as it is after all'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So...who here has watched Rick Perry's latest campaign video...'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'Who? '
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You know, the guy that helps everyone not in America feel better about their own choice of leader?'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'lol'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'Oh, he's a Texan. He's going to win.'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'did you happen to see the interview on cnn?'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Was that where he backpedalled? I heard a couple of soundbites, nothing in full'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'wolf blitzer seemed to outsmart him at every turn, it did not look good IMO, but i personally do not like perry'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'he struggled to overcome the challenges presented, but i admit, that it humanized him in a way and he may seem sympathetic to those that support his views'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Seriously though, I feel if Rick Perry and Michelle Bachmann had a baby, we would be looking at an Apocalypse scenario'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'lol'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'it would have hooves for sure'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'What crosses the mind of Americans beyond "I liek ma gawd and ah het mee sum gayz" when they vote for these total fucktards...'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'I wonder who the WBC is backing.'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'IMO i feel that the tenets of conservatism that they are espousing, and the america they seek is a unicorn '
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'Vakieh, nothing is crossing the minds of those people.'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'it did not and has never existed'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'Nothing at all.'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'All intelligent Americans should move to Canada. Bring heaters.'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'i would if i could lol'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'but i fled wisconsin due to the weather, and that is canada lite'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'I'm pretty sure I can pinpoint the day I stopped giving a crap about politics in any serious fashion. It was the day George W. got re-elected. '
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'i appreciate your rage, but i feel that your support is needed now more than ever'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'I seriously thought I was being pranked up until someone showed me that day's paper. :s'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'That was so we (non-US) could keep getting Dubya jokes :-P'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'for sure Vak'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'He kept the Entertainment and Standup industries rolling in the dough for 8 years!'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ryke snorts.
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Dick Cheney...Shot a man in the face...you can't make shit like that up'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'That was the worst assassination attempt ever.'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'the fact that these candidates dont recognize what's wrong with the country is so hard for me to understand'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Read that book upside down? Come on, that has to photoshopped...wait, no'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Money out of politics, MASSIVE antitrust breakup, major labour laws reform, and at least change the wars on drugs/terror'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'Tiers are ruining the country!'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'i cant help but wonder what will become of us(US) and when our leaders will realize that the people of the country are more important than money'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'They won't, because to them, they aren't...'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'People are not more important than money.'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'Who is filling your head with this crap?'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'Money > all'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'nod Ryke too many botted t9 politicos running the show :D'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ryke rapidly nods twice at Stretcher, in complete agreement.
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'What this country needs is Lasher in the big chair, finger on the nuke button.'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Indeed - if their god existed they wouldn't have fucked things NEARLY as thoroughly as they have'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'sad for me, I love my country, it has great possibilities, but certain people are rigging the system'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'its so sad because intellectualism has been made "uncool" by junk merchants selling garbage to the masses'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'in other countries(so i have been told) students who excel are esteemed, but here in the US its whoever is hot and rich'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'Brawndo! It's got what plants crave!'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'its got electrolites!'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Intellectualism is made out to be a bad thing in repressive societies, has been for millenia - until I see a world leader with a phd, I won't hold out much hope for the future'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It seems to be going the direction of Academia here in Australia, which is a good (and unexpected) thing - 10-20 years ago 'nerds' were fair game, now we throw money at them'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'its kindof funny because you have to be smart to avoid the financial traps and pitfalls in the US, and the wealthy are producing less than excellent offspring'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If daddy can buy you a degree, who's gonna study?'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'nod gawker had a funny thing about tom hank's son at northwestern Uni, a pricey school with pretty good prestige, asking for notes for a whole semester 6 hours before his paper was due'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'and sadly the students were all too happy to help because his dad is famous'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'youtube chet haze if you want to get an idea of where he stands intellectually'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'honestly i hope that the occupy movement can galvanize like the tea party did and there could be at least a swing back to the political center'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The tea party was usurped by the extreme right'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Their primary goals were a small, non-interfering government with a balanced budget'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Now, they are a bunch of Fundie whackjobs'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'Tea Baggers.'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'it was, but they accomplished some short term goals'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'They prefer to be called Tea Baggers.'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'lol'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The point of Occupy is that there is no working with a broken system - the system needs some input from outside itself'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I personally think too much power has too big a stake to let them do much of substance - then again, look at Arabia these last couple of years'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'I thought the point of this Occupy bullshit was to throw temper tantrums over having missed the 70s'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'if the tea baggers can gain senate seats, why not other outside forces? IMO'
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Any group of dissidents attracts retards - they get more news time, however :-('
T3/r5/2011-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'So. Not being American I'm just finding out about this NDAA hoopla. What say you American brethren, true or false?'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if repetition is the basis of normal, and originality is the genius, is being normal being dumb?'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'yess'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so we have an alternator, good stuff'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'because people like you think people that are actualy norman are stupid because they do not raise to your level'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'normal'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'raise to my level, are you upside down?  i'm normally not normal'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'because they do not contain knolege like you you think they are stupid'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think everybody think's i'm stupid, and everybody reaffirms me, while being normal but genius to themselves, this is my game'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'if I take the smartest zulu you would think he was stupid when in gfact he is scoring 100% of what he can'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'not your game'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'which is smarter, a zulu or a gorilla?'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i let people play me usually'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sometimes they surprise me, but not often'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lemontree: 'Depends.'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lemontree: 'So you're a chump?'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Zulu is smarter.  They haven't ended up on the endangered species list.'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm nothing incarnate'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lemontree: 'You can't compare the two.'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'its like a class a student scores the highest 100% right and class b highest 60%%, but class B is scoring 100% that he is capplible of so they are in fact the same!|'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i watch a video where hundreds of lemmings jump into the ocean and swim out to sea, off a cliff'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortbus Stutz: 'that video was staged.'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a few stayed back, but most of them swam out to see, figurin maybe there's a shore on the other side'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortbus Stutz: 'look it up on snopes.'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The only issue with that Luke is that you aren't talking about intelligence, you're talking about potential. It's true that people can achieve the same degree of potential without the same scores, but that doesn't mean they're just as smart as one another.'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Black Friday video is always so entertaining'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'd be one of the few who stayed back and advised the others that jumping off a cliff probably isn't very smart'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The guy in Class B that doesn't know as much as the guy in Class A is NOT just as smart.'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this is a sign of neurosis, a delusional summit we stand at facing the top of the mountain under a impenitrable glaze of money'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'but if you tale away the class a then class b is automatically class a am I not right for they are now the most intellegent?'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'take'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'sorry stil getting use to the typing thing'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people who measure intelligence for a living probably don't do much monitoring of each student's way's of individually learning thing's dealt by their teacher's consideration throughout their growing stages'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we can know the same thing in absolutely different way's'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'not really.  Taking away something doesn't take away the potential, so it's still possible and probably very likely that that potential newly manifests somewhere else.'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Er... are you saying that if you kill all the smart people, then the dumb people would be the new smart people and based on that, everyone's just as smart? 'cause if not, I've completely missed the point of your analogy.'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'according to the order everybody falls into this here funnel and a couple will make it out the bottom'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cause that funnel was shaped by nondynamic scientists of the mind'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'where do zulus fall in your funnel?'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you might get class c, or class b independantly rises to class a through their own methods.'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'chaos is the enemy of order, which makes sure that all wild animals are in a cage and trained to be wild within their control'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'who was better, a zulu or pheonician and why'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lemontree: 'I say this is a load of smuck!'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but, chaos is neccessary like the dynamic nature of reality itself, everybody has their own way about thing's and setting standards that define how they reach a point to be not more than one way isn't progress'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's death'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'phoenician had boats and as far as we can tell went everywhere.'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'methods are substitutions for the hard way'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's easy to learn something your own way, learning it somebody elses way is the burden, somebody else as a teacher should adapt to your way and focus on the message reaching their understanding'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i had a hard time with people the exact opposite of the should as that my whole life'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hard in it's own way, but easy in that you don't have the stress of inferiority due to speed or another person's perception of the perfect order he wishes to achieve'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like a kid playing hammer and nails would adopt a tape measure some time and a saw to keep on learning'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'can you do me a favour?'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a natural born architect comes out of him, and he didn't arrive there by a exactly ordered sequence of event's, but by trial and error'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and timed, don't forget the minutemen, time's one of their key stressors'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'i say again can you me a favour?'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I can'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you don't need my answer, you're yahoo chatter with a different instance, the normal way'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i like to get straight to the point, instead of idling my mind on flyswatting and send flies back'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'can you relax your fingers more and type slower?'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I could, but don't wanna'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'please?'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'reason?'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'just because'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'not a valid reason'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you didn't ask for a valid one'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'valid reason then'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yahoo chatter sends me a tell, hello, i wait 2 hours, then type something with hello in it, but in a mock to respond to his hollow word, and he feigns ignorance as two hackers try to penetrate my client, so i discuss some of about getting to the point'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and he wants pretty girl to chat with'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'instead of saying that and getting right down to it, he wastes the time in between the introduction and the reason with a response'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you get all my text all at once the moment I hit enter.  There's no reason for me to type slower because you won't be able to tell the difference.'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and if you respond with hello, he will grind you with questions until you respond to to them, and then finally, m/f'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what the hell are these people'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no brains at all'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they got brains but they act stupid'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'with pure hate'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'extra-Duzilinous bots.'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so of course i feed that and then i tickle it with some gas of my own'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they spark it up and coagulate into a nerve'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'wtf are you brothers?'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and i cut through their offensive attack and turned the table'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't know, one of them is until he is not, the others i only met twice, and another not at all'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you ask like you're interested in a bit of Australian Coupling.'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'digusting'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Australians are most likely to engage in menage a trois.'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'I say toffee'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'I said that'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'open happieness'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'I say you both on something'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some internet people you can only talk to through surprise attack's on their expectation's and probe's at their psychology, i never met anybody on the internet who didn't hate me, so i fuel the hate and sneak in some understanding and knowledge'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and contrary to all the blonde jokes, redheads (2.4%) are more likely to put out than blondes (1.8%) or brunettes (1.7%).'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'I say druzil turned dokkar on'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I'm always turned on.'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'what about blacks'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'what about them?'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'didn't see you mention them'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I do them all.'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'zulus lol'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'you must first give her ten cows'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'and a donkey'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'or I could just backhand them and do them for free.'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'theryom of pythagoras'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'A2 + B2 = C2?'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'and what about your mom'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert runs away in utter terror!
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'her and yours'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'and your dad too'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Mom2 + Dad2 = Lukesmart was adopted...2...'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'kids too.  They make the most wonderful bleating sounds when you poke them from behind.'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: '2squared +3SQUAREd=?'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'lol you weird'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'if I was adopted then you were too'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I am that door you know you're not supposed to open in a horror movie.'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I know you are but what am I!'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as an example of people dynamically learning thing's in th eir own paces and way's and how sterse order on how they do that is counterproductive, consider C programming language -> in class you type your printf {} for if etc toss in a couple algorithms and input output magic -> some students will be caught up on how does a for loop work in their mind, and while that question remains unanswered other students will be learning about struct's and union's, and the understanding of the deep one isn't reached, but while they receive a passing mark that question remains and they change the subject -> now those other students didn't have the same question burdening them, they know C -> great!  but this one isn't sure he really understand's it like them'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so he might be more liable to forget the missing pieces that the other's weren't observant of than the other's, and in the next class find himself struggling'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now they're managing databases, and he's not sure he remembers correctly'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'thats too much dor me to read can you summarize i please?'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so , the one student who would have been a really great programmer gets tossed out of university and the other's who weren't as deep progress'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's valuable insight, it's a side of people that order fears'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'I only got to c programmming on my sec try'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i had to learn assembly language first'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'basic, c, c++, perl, shell all slipped my mind without the basic's'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'whats that'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'with the basic's i can still program and remember all i learned, or most, without them i'd wonder what the basics were, and the basics are a processor dependent batch of instruction's, which aren't used much in the modern world where ignorance create's department job's and method's are liscenced out by patent holders'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Merlis: 'and where you can add apostrophes to non-possessive words ending in s :0'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're cloning human liver cells in mice now, 1% human 99% mouse -> of mice and men and lemming's'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the ear on the back of the mouse wasn't nothin special, it can be used for dark purposes which few know about because they rely on other's to know for them, and other's are usually stranger's who introduce themselves as doctor's'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'I would like to grow a toe on a mouse!'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think they already did, probably have a human brain in there somewhere, without human right's for fully applicable modification's'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not many people could have a kit like they got, probably lots wouldn't want one either, but their kit will become modification's to the consumer supply'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'you should get a new toy'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'what do you call a tick on a fence?'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'a heckic'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'hecktic'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the canadian dollar went down with the price of gold after canada left some environmental protection's behind and began mining gold from the north -> coincidence of dark mockery?'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numen: 'the only thing that matters about Canada is the pretty girls!'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the way i see thing's panning out they won't have any land to matter on after so long'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'dead end lustfactory, have at it, i'm not'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'druzil whats the rand to dolla currancy for today'
T3/r5/2011-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not sure, dollar was at 103 us cents in the last 5 months though, now it's back to it's steady 98-95'
T3/r5/2011-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'is it true that lot's wife became a pillar of the community?'
T3/r5/2011-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'err, didn't she become just a pillar?'
T3/r5/2011-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'a salty wench'
T3/r5/2011-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'yes'
T3/r5/2011-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I bet everyone had their hands on her, after that.'
T3/r5/2011-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'perhaps they even licked her.'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KGB until 1991 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dresden From 1985 to 1990, the KGB stationed Vladimir Putin, the future President of Russia, in Dresden. -> hard to see what they're trying to say isn't it?'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'A study of a farm near Weyburn, Sask., has concluded that the carbon dioxide occurring in the ground there is not coming from a nearby carbon capture project. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/story/2011/12/12/sk-weburn-c02-study-1112.html so in conclusion the gas is not the reason for the gas suddenly coming, but natural disasters instead -> that's what tax payer's pay taxes for protection from'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Whistleblower removed from human rights commission  http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/story/2011/12/09/north-turner-human-rights.html by providing evidence to the foundless claims that the tax funded human right's organization was doing nothing but protecting it's violators from detection, In them, Dolynny offered to swap inaccurate information about Turner in exchange for settling his own debt with the corporation.'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'will they ever catch themselves doing their crime's?  i have no faith in that'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Police in Germany say they have cleared thousands of protesters who were trying to block a trainload of nuclear waste. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15910548 i still don't get it'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'harper is a superior species to me because he doesn't see all these thing's'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'catholic church invests in adult film industry http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ni/2009/09/holy_porn.html gold cross in dresden'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Saudi woman executed for 'witchcraft and sorcery' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16150381 big investor in wester development there, witch hunts are a thing of the 17th century though'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mutant corn has 3 ears per leaf, normal is 1 each -> cow's have 3 stomache's, is this indication of how bovine's came to exist?'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in the old testament is a verse where the lord turns the king of babylon into a herd of cattle, as support'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'moses snake on a staff is representative of one of the two serpents on the egyptian crown'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if there's a demon named moses somewhere accusing your soul of various thing's, you can remove yourself from his claim to your soul by realizing you weren't circumcised into his desecrated coven by your own free will'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think that's a staple on his getting his way with god'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just incase you plan on being reborn as a demon or something, you can have immunity to false faith'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is there a difference between an organized criminal and a leader of genocide like pol pot/adolf hitler/joseph staline/mendele'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i see a difference'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'uh...YES?'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'no'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'good, then some crooks might not be crooks'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'only the other kind bother me, the genocider's, i got no problem with straight cops'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'Druzil only hates gay cops'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Imp Druzil is agreeing with that Ol' Dirty Fiendish person again...
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'because he's a bigot'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they can keep their homosexuality to themself it's not too bad, just don't try projecting me'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'homopsychology is more my concern'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'that gave me an idea for a new subclass spell'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'druzil projection'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I thought maybe 'c homopsychology''
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's Mengele and he wasn't interested in genocide'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'x=1 c=5 b=12- substetution'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'c 'druzil projection''
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'you are now projecting an aura of druzil'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'x-1+11(c)-24(b)'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the harper government seems to be a pol pot kind of person, all provinces maybe, the gas in the ground is not the reason for the gas in the water and the dead animals a study concludes'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't rely on that genocide machine ever fixing itself'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they fire people who point the finger with evidence at corruption from within their fractions'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'best to assume the war in the middle east is as valid as the harper government'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe when the soldiers come home their stress will drive them to fix the oil spill that remains above them'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if germany becomes a problem any time in the future, remember that KGB installed putin there in 1985 before electing him god '
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and there's a gold pornography cross on the dresden church'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so germany is just one of the soviet war toys with the romans'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'asap painfully euthanize those that executed the saudi woman for witchcraft'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i seen that, sick isn't it?  you know those people there are heavy investors in the oil company that escapes all detection by the tax payer's money in their land'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'possibly anyways, i don't see any honest politicians in canada, they all betray the citizens'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think the same's most likely true in germany, and with that studly president witnessed there, and that catholic church, one can lean one of two way's in figuring out what's what'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or consider them both, that works too'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'A study of a farm near Weyburn, Sask., has concluded that the carbon dioxide occurring in the ground there is not coming from a nearby carbon capture project. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/story/2011/12/12/sk-weburn-c02-study-1112.html I think this is proof that the government is operated by terrorists, that accumulates to a large act of terrorism on the human mind (treason), the soil and foliage for unseen distances, the water table and the promise of it spreading by covering it up, for the excuse of being greedy as a last resort they can turn to'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the cops you hide behind don't make your soldiers you hide behind invincible, and the stupidity both hides behind can't hide from you, who are also not invincible'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Speak for yourself man, I had my skin replaced with a diamond encasement years ago. Bullets mean nothing to me!'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'wasn't that from a bond movie, cuthbert?'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Not that I know of, though that'd be pretty badass.'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'your casing must be connected to the external world by wires and signals, that can be blocked'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then it opens once in awhile for a moment or two'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Nope, it's diamond. It doesn't need an electrical signal. Think of it like clothing, but diamond. I'm a living rhine stone, how cool am I?'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Mr Shine, him diamond.'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we'll have to throw you into a volcano and see if you survive the sink, you can send a message to us like in the movie to the centre of the earth'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Alright, but I demand Majic come with me for entertainment purposes.'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'alright, i'm keeping sorcery though'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'probably nobody knows what I was quoting anyway :P'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Averan giggles.
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you know your country's shit when you know you could run it better than the people who do, and you're proved right all the time'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'If to do were as easy as to know to do, all men would be kings.'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'you know you've lost touch with reality, when you think things are that simple'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'IOW, monday-morning quarterbacking is easy and everyone thinks he could do better.'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'well, there's 40 - 50 000 soldiers there who take orders from the prime minister, if i receive death threat's i should be able to lock down a g-20 summit around everywhere i go and make sure that foreign intelligence satellites are removed from my airspace'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'some things are relatively simple, like, spending isn't what makes you rich, corporations being allowed to fund election campaigns is not a good idea etc :)'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in order to not murder saskatchewan's ability to host life this has to be done, those people over there say that can't be done'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'tinada: agreed, but you know that isn't the kind of shit druzil is thinking of'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Tinada.
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'as he as now demonstrated'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lets make some new weapons, i got the blueprints and the locations of the materials we need'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nothing's impossible except for the simple minds who feed on rot'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nothing's impossible? So can you fly to the moon by flapping your arms and wishing really hard? :P'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if it was the will of god i could'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The US had better keep ahead in military technology, since the economy part seems to be in a slow 100-year fade'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they got no excuses in my sight'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they could have nuked the middle east 1000 times by now instead of using it as an altar to sacrifice humans on'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'druzil you aren't right about anything, you are a lunatic'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a quicker fix woulda been to drop pamphlets over the countries in oral and visual communication for them to reason out, creating no-nuke zone's where they can run to and be fed and watered until the fallout fades away'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Right. Because nuking the country and then feeding and watering people in nukefree zones won't do anything to breed future generations who hate us even more.'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not all of them like to be there, i bet there's alot who hate just about everybody they see in a day'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'They'll be so joyful that we decided to spare them that they'll send us big hugs and kisses.'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I hope one sends me a kitty :D'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Even the people who hate their own fucking country will get pissed off when they get nuked.'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cut off all travel and trade except for rice and wheat/beef between the east and the west, consider the water's a no-fly zone except for fishing boat's that don't land on mor ethan one country's docks'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and then make sure that you can't be paid to not see the guys hidden in the grain'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'let them figure out their own problems and create some jobs in the meantime'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the magician claims people know what they think they saw, not what they saw -> that's all about how much absence of clear judgement you perceive in somebody else yeah?  they were probably not observant of this or that, maybe they weren't, but that doesn't mean you know you're correct'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'unless you made it up yourself and later figured that out about yourself, this is also how people make you doubt your own eyes'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sticking by an absolute judgement like that's difficult to a real skeptic'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't know what's in anybody elses head, i know what i think i know, and what you relate to while i fix that thought'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's one problem i see with professional's, they're only willing to diagnose within a control set and not perfect their own observation's'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so the mothman is maybe a barn owl and some light glinted off it's feather's like a halo giving the appearance of possibly legs as it's eyes flashed red, or maybe it was a mutant human, i'm ok with either one, lots of cults got started around 1966'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe there was 47 human sacrifices done in a mass murder consecration ceremony, and the LSD let them more accurately believe in the mothman'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think i saw, i know what i saw, now i'll imagine destroying and forgetting what i saw after writing down the original, then after 15 hours or so of using the thought as apunching bag and forcing it into strange new forms and resisting the original i'll check, and if this original event is written down the same way it was then i probably saw what i saw'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some people try to disprove the unexplainable with their mind and known possibilities before accepting that it's not explainable, other one's want to mystify their crime families'
T3/r5/2011-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sistine_Chapel an example of how this means anything at all from virginia around the time of the amytville horror template and stuff, from the vatican'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'should all 12yr old girls get raped then stoned?'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'now thats what i call a debate'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'yes'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'on the flipside they give corporations more individual right's than most people, complete with immunity to the law and eye's of the national protector's'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'human embryo is not a person like sun microsystems is not the sun'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'every sperm is saaaacred'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'yea well I've been killing millions every time i touch myself in that special place'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sperm leaks from your penis when you take a piss, so what, it's not embedded in a female egg that you copulated with, if you would have had responsibility for your fucking you wouldn't require an abortion, abortion fuels stupid fuckers'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'That is a...rather aggressive Druzillage, right there'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's true though, far as i see'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'when you figure out how to raise a partially-developed human fetus in an artificial womb you can make abortion illegal.'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'until then, you have no damn right to make a woman donate the use of her body to another human.'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'was the woman raped?  if so then abortion is more justifiable, was she just wanting some money and he gave her some more for a vaginal cumshot?'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'abortion would be a boost to the economy then and morality of the hard working people with fewer jobs than ever'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'wow, got a madonna-whore complex much?'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and still a fuel for stupidity'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we were just talking about weeding out the weak earlier, these people were too weak to resist their genitalia'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they knew what's up , they just seen the light of abortion and did it anyways'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you sound like someone who can't get laid with a hundred dollar bill dangling from his zipper resentful that other people have sex :P'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so what, i'm antisocial, 13 years in isolation will do that to a person, i never found a female i enjoyed the company of in the few times i went out into the real world, and buying whores was pathetic so i didn't make them do their job'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if i stuck 50 women in a week and used a trojan then you wouldn't be able to argue much'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'BUYING WHORES IS NOT PATHETIC!  NOW THATS A DEBATE'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'same thing different pile'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler grins evilly.
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You don't buy whores, you rent them'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'You don't buy whores, you rent them.'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'hahahaha'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'JUNX'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ryke called JINX!
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'No, because your attitude speaks for itself.'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'JINX...dammit'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'you pay them to leave'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'where you assume that the only reason a woman might have an abortion is that she's raped or a whore.'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'my mom had an abortion when her and my dad tried to get back together...but she was too old to be having kids then'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'my middle name is Scott...anymore person info you want?'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Yep. I knew someone who had an abortion because she had a deformed uterus, and there was about a 95% chance of her dying before wk 30 according to the dr.'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so there's the judgement of a psychiatrist in the administration of the abortion, was she raped, is there a real reason why this should be allowed?'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'she wasn't supposed to get pregnant anyway, but her then-husband sabotaged her birth-control.'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'she has no money cause she spent her pay on her pimps crack, that's it?'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'b/c he believed she was lying'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'does that count as attempted murder'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe she should be institutionalized for a little while then'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it should :P'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'was the husband america'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'vagina'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'american*'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'american vagina'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'I will debate that will you vakeih'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler lets off a real rip-roarer ... a greenish cloud envelops Dirkdiggler!
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'Gay marriage is ruining the mud.'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hardcore Hotcakes: 'Marry me.'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I want polygamy marriage'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gradulo: 'gay mudders deserve the same chance at unhappiness as straight ones. :P'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ryke pauses to express his feelings for Hardcore Hotcakes, but just ends up blushing in silence.
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xael: 'I hope y'all are ready to eat sawdust and gaul. cause the "shit" is about to hit the fan. Royally'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada looks at Xael and goes "Hmmmm."
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'd rather not eat gauls, they don't bathe.'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'nothing wrong with eating sawdust, I hear it's in a loot of cookies and funny us food, since it fills up and with all the sugar, who is going to notice'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it only adds mass. humans get no nutrition from it'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'we eat too much anyway :)'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also, the cpi will adjust..1970s - people eat beef steak, 1990s - due to rising cost you switch to mincemeat, mincemeat replaces beef in cpi, 2010s - mincemeat becomes too expensive, dog food replaces mince meat on plates and in cpi, 2020s - dog food becomes too expensive, etc :)'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then to decompress you multiply by two, add remainder and step to the next array element'
T3/r5/2011-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mis'
T3/r5/2011-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Under SOPA, someone posting links to copywritten material on Aardwolf could get Aardwolf shut down - call your Big Wigs and complain about SOPA.'
T3/r5/2011-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I want soap'
T3/r5/2011-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I am out of soap'
T3/r5/2011-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I am dirty'
T3/r5/2011-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I think you mean Soap(R)'
T3/r5/2011-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'face it - you're fucked'
T3/r5/2011-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'On the one hand, I don't live in the US, so they can't do anything to me directly. On the other hand, must of the shit I look at on the web is based in the US...'
T3/r5/2011-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it'll be moved'
T3/r5/2011-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the internet treats it as damage and routes around it'
T3/r5/2011-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Better do it pre-emptively - the US has proven about as safe a hosting location as China'
T3/r5/2011-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, most private bittorrent trackers have already moved to europe and canada'
T3/r5/2011-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I propose Scandinavia, they have the benefit of not-so-fucked laws/lawmakers, as well as geographic central-ness'
T3/r5/2011-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'many .com ones changed the tld's as well'
T3/r5/2011-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'err, no, vakieh'
T3/r5/2011-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that would be the uk'
T3/r5/2011-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'UK? UK is the US's bitch for laws, no thank you'
T3/r5/2011-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'none related laws afaik'
T3/r5/2011-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'also, i think eu won't ratify acta either'
T3/r5/2011-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'who knows what the secret ingredients are in premium orange juice?'
T3/r5/2011-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zerune: 'love'
T3/r5/2011-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'chalk?'
T3/r5/2011-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zerune: 'and oranges?'
T3/r5/2011-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zerune: 'having small delicate hands squeeze the oranges'
T3/r5/2011-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'oranges?  Nah, the taste and flavour of "orange" is thoroughly boiled out of orange juice during pasteurization.  They use ethyl butyrate and flavor packs to reconstitute it, and your "fresh-squeezed" OJ could potentially have been stored in large tanks for a year.'
T3/r5/2011-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'those buying those $4 cartons of Minute Maid or other premium brands are getting scammed into buying fancy concentrates.'
T3/r5/2011-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Or you can buy real OJ'
T3/r5/2011-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'What's a neti pot?'
T3/r5/2011-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'allah strikes again, he's really not the invention of a serial killer though , only some interpretations and country's follow that type of cult http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2011/12/2011121220173289603.html der uber king is a staple on it's integrity'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'Farewell to Our Dear Leader'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I got him?  Woo, I GOT HIM!  High score, here I come!'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Died due to overwork and emotional involvement in his country...had nothing to do with a massive stroke, of course o.0'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'R.I.P. man who starves children'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think he's not really dead, but that's being spread so he can observe who's not so loyal after all and weed out the kingdom before passing the reigns on'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but i could just be pessimistic'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or is it optimistics'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'he already did that with the stroke.'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'him being dead is the bad thing - his kids are FUCKING NUTS'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'your a genius ..... whose time is notquite yet'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this time is mind, and it keeps on flowing'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Speculation is that the missile attack on SK last year was his son's doing, so yeah'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah well, lunatics rule the world and everybody is their lawyer pretending they're sane while they attempt to fail at living'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It's his daughter and her general husband that bear watching'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'he probably offed his father'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'I think the whole region is really ready to pop'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'eh Il was sick for a long time, no reason to risk anything by doing it himself I wouldn't think'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'links in my profile show a south korea that isn't very much different from the north korea everybody fears, only more subtle'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like the devil was more subtle than the other beasts of the field'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'much as usa is really socialist country in disguise'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'or at least....on its way'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Except, you know, NK has nukes, a starved populace, and an isolationalist government with no investment in local stability...'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The US is heading towards Fascism, not socialism'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'sick or not, I don't think Il was ready to hand over the keys.  Being sick made him realize he had to speed up the timeline, but while he wanted to do it his way, his kid(s) wanted it sooner.'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'i stand corrected'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, and the charity runs on television don't result in thing's getting better where you are, and you can't really see the results in reality of your charity, but foreign investment has to come from somewhere'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'moreorless the ushering in of a slanty-eyed Stalin and the ushering out of the Lenin figure.'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'That already happened in '94'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't understand why they say pol pot and the 1978 iranian leader both came from france, does france have some magic spells or something it uses to make world leaders?'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the US already had its goldenboys, and France being typically French they wanted their own done in their own way.'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the saudi kingdom invests 2 billion into china and 300,000 into new orleans and 300,000,000 to twitter's hard done by programmers, but across the ocean from them is a more local problem that they don't try to gather support from'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'well....I'm on the US west coast. I hear we are a cherry target.'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'isn't that seem strange to you?'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they got no food or water just across the ocean and instead of using that to their advantage they invest in places which rule most of the world'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Phlip: 'cherry target is an understatement =)'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'OMG...the saudi twitter investment...i forgot'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'It happened so fast they said....'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'like a $7 eTrade'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're all corrupt imo, i don't see a single organization that isn't led by devil's'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'north korea's nothing special compared to the others'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vakieh adds 'l' to the list of random letters Druzil has apostrophed - eventually these letters will predict the future...
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'look at gadaffi holed up in sirte determined to fight till death against the insurgents, who are later found violating human rights as they after the fact acknowledge the majority who observed their crimes'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then the syrian king asks why would i kill my own people, watching the international news of the world rally against him'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the world is one minded to the media machine doesn't question the legitimacy of it's claims'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if the media machine is pretty straight, usurpring all of your local television stations and international interesting them, while your next generation of impoverished crackwhores and hoodlums try not to be shot in their next mission under the guidance of a corrupt social worker, instead of looking at the reality of poverty on your own streets that receives 0 government funding, why do they play poverty across the ocean knowing that your nation is becoming the place you donate to'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'AAAAAH - A Wall'o'text!'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we'll double the donations to somalia, wonderful, why didn't you double the efforts to eradicate poverty on your own streets'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nationalized locale television stations should be forbidden to run charity rally's for foreign nation's and required to focus on their own oppressed'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'international television should be the only place where you see the ones from foreign cages suffering'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they can easily stage whatever they want you to see as progress from your donation's, while the reality is they're crooks using your charity to usurp your lives'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dokkar makes lots of hand-patting, kissy-kissy, whistling noises to focus Druzil's attention back over here.
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you must be a jewish swastika wearing black skin for your arrogant roman attitude'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The corporations are out friends!'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Fail...our*'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I wear it backwards.'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'what is a "jewish swastika"'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'them becoming the racists they claim treated them like holodomor in germany'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'is that not an oxymoron....jewish swastika????'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is not see not nazi'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Isn't selfhating jew a stereotype?'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the swastika is thought be based on a jewish symbolic (something from the alphabet? some religious symbol?)'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's an inverted jain symbol for the cycle of life and death'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The original Swastika was from India iirc - brb, googling'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but that could have been fabricated since india was just a british colony at some time'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'I know hebrew is old but there are older religions with the swastika...I thought anyways'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Yeah, Hindu/Sanskrit - from ancient India'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the pagan heathens don't count.'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's still surviving military veterans from 50 years ago of military service who had biochemical warfare experiments conducted on them'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they weren't in not seen germany though, they were in not seen americanada'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'canada's so internationally popular because they're braindead'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like taking candy from a retard'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'I like Canada. Good people, from what I have been through.'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that's what Google and Apple said about RIM!'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a canadian soldier of 40 grand per year has to work for over 1200 years before he can earn as much as the CEO of air canada that he protects in one year'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'Inequality is age-old. It has never been balanced. In any culture or land'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'death will set them all straight if common sense doesn't'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Darn toot'n!'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'because people are not ------>equal.'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i see nothing greater about bill gates than myself'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Alien invasions, the great equaliser!'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and donald trump?  pfah, the only difference is i wouldn't have been a greedy serpent'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i believe that if soldiers who go and tempt death in the name of their country in other country's don't serve their enemy, then they would be focused more on making their country a alright place to live instead of fueling the future warfare that will result from their negligence'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'your country was so alright to you that you went across the ocean to find problems in somebody elses because you couldn't find any other work'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'soldiers follow orders....they dont give em'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'while a literal human devil purchased 1200 of your services for one years pay'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Only the bad ones do'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'the good ones become privateers!'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'soldiers thought for themselves before handing that off to somebody else'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'well.....I stand corrected .... again'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'supposed to only follow orders....I should say'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: '-j'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'A soldier who blindly follows orders is the best tool of evil - if the US government put its soldiers up against its citizenry, what might happen?'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's more important to soldier mortal than death?  that man who you protect while he makes sure there's no options beyond going to war for him?'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'his children'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they were able to manually launch missiles and fly airplanes in the 1950's, the appollo spacecraft had less computers on it than the average MACK truck does today, these computers are infiltration and control over you, a liability to your efficiency'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's not the kind of thing that a real politician would overlook is it,  or leader?'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'fyi this reminds me of The Green Zone. If that guy had followed orders blindly no corruption would be exposed'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'behind enemy lines too, covering up the freedom fighters genocide'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'also, yeah, the space program has become a joke, corporates are the new politician for better or worse.'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Except you can't elect a ceo'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'It is no longer presidents who deliver speeches about functional health care, or technological progress, or the space program, but CEOs like Branson'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'It is not about country. It is about....freedom.'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'as long as we submit'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'I feel so FREEEEE!'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nothing's free in a world where everything is for sale'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'even your mind is a liability that they must control'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If it's free, then you are the product being sold'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the movie the killing room shows some jokes about that'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'technically yes. Most free stuff is in the realm of 'media''
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'webtv, free music and art, free comics, etc'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'apparently my sarcasm does not translate'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'I must learn to use socials or somesuch'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Ever wonder why Facebook is free?'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'nope'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'because its that obvious'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'because they can invade your privacy and exploit your ignorant trust through it while conducting social experiments'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's my wondering conclusion'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'all free sites sell 'information''
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'usage, marketing data, adclicks, etc'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No need for conspiracy theories on this one Druzil, it's straight up advertising via IV'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no need to wonder, Zuckerberg did so about 40 separate times now.'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they can find out who knows who in what way and control the population more'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'just recently, Facebook got into trouble for trying to datamine info from non-users of facebook going to facebook userpages'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'facebook allowed a government funded program (tax money at work) to develop ai program's that collect information on people, and later claimed ignorance while they refused to inform people who were affected of who was really a person or not'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'wouldn't the government be a cleaner place if tax payers could each write down on their records the details of what types of social programs they wish their money to be spent on?  since that's not the case the government should be dismantled like the iraqi american flag was lowered'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or canadian'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'get yourself a receipt and a private investigator to verify the legitimacy of where your money went'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'don't gotta tell me twice, I hide as many taxes as I can so I can hand it over to groups that want to dismantle it! ;p'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the american government makes over 20 billion dollars in a single day at 7 dollars per citizen in taxes spent'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'err, that's very smalltime stuff, Druzil.  The US government has a real Minority Report type of superhacking googler AI that can find and compile together any data about YOU SPECIFICALLY to determine the likelihood of you becoming some sort of threat.'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's alot of accounting isn't it?  you can stake your life on the fact that they would never be clean with it, and then realize they won't burn you'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'this app is so security-sensitive that they make anyone reference it change the name to something else.  It's like the online version of Area 51'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'threat to corruption is fine, that's how antibiotics work'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's obvious that's pretty corrupt and true isn't it?  '
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Yep basically Carnivore redeux'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they're long past Carnivore redux.  Carnivore redux is the one they publicly admit to.'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: '<------- They'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're mocking everybody's life and pretending that they're scary instead of ugly to disarm you before you attempt to straighten them out'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'think of it, 50 million unemployed people versus 100 rich men and their cronies'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Torches and pitchforks time!'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that's the 2010 version.  They're putting this one online early 2012.  If a piece of data is on the internet, this application will have it.  It's not just a compiler, though.  Just like with the MR computers or Skynet, it makes decisions.  Your basement hydroponic weed operation might be raided simply because it was %80 likely your monthly electric bill was using more electricity than is typical for a home like yours with a family of your size in it.'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you ever been stabbed with a pitchfork and faced a mass of 50 million times your weight that was pushing it wouldn't seem like such a joke would it?'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i know some people been stabbed with a pitchfork, they survived but said it didn't feel very good'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'my weed is sunshine weed'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'I'm with HEMA, I've been stabbed with crazier things ;p'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'sad thing is...that if we know about it now...it has been that way for at least a decade. Tech wise that is.'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'believing that is believing they always have one up on you instead of leaving that in question'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'well I cant make steel'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'disarmed before attempt, important stuff in panopticon'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'or computer chips'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'can U?'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if i took the time to learn how i could, with the tools needed to make it, which they probably made inaccessible to most people'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'I could buy the capability if I wanted to. But there's already two smithers in my 'guild''
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'beeing a steel worker/fabricator was common stuff among peasants 100 years ago'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you wanted horse shoes or a anvil you made one'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'ah, I was only thinking of high end stuff. Yeah that is still common'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'privatization consequence, what if the people who blanked the minds of everybody else and stole independence all went extinct today?'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i guess the rest would adapt/advance to their absence eventually'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'or just go stupid and rampage like morons like in postapoc scifi lit'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some of them might, but there'll be people who see the opportunity to take control of their lives back, and the good inclined people would follow their lead, the rebels being put down like rebellious children'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'since some of them already do, and society is pressure to become some of them underneath one of the blanks, there will be no change for the worse in annihilation of the bastards'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'society intelligently turns your daughters into normalized whores girls gone wild and stuff, i bet your taxes paid for those slut propaganda'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'poor orphan annies father was inspired by your taxes to molest her in lust factory's and she became a crack whore, but the social worker seen no problem in this advanced stage of decay and nobody was able to become a better social worker because it cost too much'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'I wouldn't doubt t even if indirectly (dirty old politicians buy those the most I bet)'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you too can sponsor a little orphan annie today and manually monitor the situation with your own interrogations if desired of the victim you assist in their freedom'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'fuck across the ocean africa and stuff, they can handle their own shit'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'actually Child Services is one of the bigger problems with the gov I find'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'They break up wholesome working families because dad got mad and spanked a bitch'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'but rape and incest are A-OK'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'CPS..IRS..FEMA..bad ass'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'watch the spell of the albino again, read what is holodomor and consider the difficulty in staging whatever you want your free peter popoff money to display with those enslaved unarmed people'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's no accountability in foreign investment, best to keep it all at home and see the results of your bleeding heart'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'bleedin' hearts are one of the reasons we're in this mess in the first place'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'the do-nothing hippie scums became the shills of the next generation of corporatists'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'some of them even BECAME the corporatists ie clintons'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i noticed clinton's about the right age to have been raised in the manson cult, i notice thing's like that'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'fear not. Soon the culling will begin'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'you are all insane'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'You thing your SANE???'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'freak'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I don't thing I'm anything'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how stupid is people now?  picture of students on their knees being pepper sprayed by california police versus media about dictator like precision of the syrian government'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'don't be a hypocrite, hold onto your judgement'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'news of the world from a saudi arabian king who has alot to gain by usurping the kingdom's around him, 300 million dollar twitter investment, who knows what they're up to, witchhunter conspiracy's'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '300,000 dollar investment in new orlean and 2 billion investment in china'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'It is clear what they are up to'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's clear something's fucked up, but who ultimately is behind it isn't'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'parenting skills as taught by Billy Ray Cyrus. Tonight at nine.'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so 1 day of taxes worth 20 billion will pay 50,000,000 people a 400.oo welfare cheque, are they really the problem?  once a month like a period -> menopause is what most desire, 20,000,000,000 is also 6,000,600 soldier's month wages at 3,333.oo'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so we have a army and some welfare and 29 days leftover, what is next'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'i demand roads!'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'wait no, i want schools!'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '580,000,000,000 leftover for this months budget, hmm, that's 12 bill gates'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '1 for each apostle'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'times 12'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '2,600,000 doctors at 200,000 dollar per year incomes = 520,000,000,000'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we could have that service paid off in one month with 40 billion leftover, now there's 11 months to go'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's 1 doctor per 100 citizens'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(gossip) the Aardwolf disappointing-enchants system is meant to grab the pathetically-addicted-to-getting-uber-enchants by the balls and wring them hard - but when a mud is number 1 ... nevermind ... just don't get your balls wringed '
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'check out the website owner who makes it number 1 too, who cares about wing nuts'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the topic is (or was) "wring nuts" not "wing nuts"'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you have to draw them in before you ring them out'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mormon's need as many wives as solomon to show their faith, true or false'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'false'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they need wives to amass power, which determines what size celestial rock they lord over.'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'genghis khan science has over 26,000,000 powers on earth today, i guess they must be following other than delusions of being the wrath of god'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'druzil is an elaborate chat algorithm designed to fool imms into thinking he's not botting. discuss'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the mormon man with no wife is lord of nothing.  The mormon man with the most wives rules everything.'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'what's to discuss?'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'the lds church abolished polygamy over a century ago'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'whether it's working'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Deadgirl: 'I agree redryn'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they still have them.  They're just called mistresses.'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if i'm an ai program they best be hiring me with instant trillionairre status'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i live in utah, never seen a polygamist family'
T3/r5/2011-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'any wealthy ones?'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'most pot smokes dont consume nearly as much volume of burnt material compared to tobacco'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hardcore Hotcakes: 'On top of that you can just be safe and use a vaporizer.'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most pot smokes don't have double dosages of cyanide from 2005 either'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'Pot is a gateway drug!'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'If you smoke pot, you'll start shooting gateways'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'gateway to what'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and cigarettes are like cheeze on a human trap which isn't cheeze at all'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'tobacco doesn't kill people, people kill people'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'Those 'Truth' commercials make me want to take up smoking again.'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but think about it a cig smoker might consume 1 pack per day a pot smoker would be high as hell smoking even two cigs worth of pot per day'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'Two cigarettes' worth of pot isn't much..'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and also you can do vaporizer'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'its enough to keep one high all day if spaced out'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i just remember that they didn't inform the jews of their upcomming eradication in the history stories of the concentration camps either, that helps me to reason out who is putting cadmium onto the childrens toys'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'The cadmium bunny?'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ok im lost on that one'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Deadgirl: 'keep smoking Druzil. Keep smoking. '
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i will, keep on watching me with your omnispycam'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ill know if your watching me!'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Deadgirl: 'where do I get one'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'death is better than life in a concentration camp isn't it?  1up, your children will go down after you'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you all is one of the smiling soldiers plucking people in the back of the head to me'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude aims the crosshairs..The Imp Druzil collapses in a pool of blood.
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that was there for your arrogance'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Parallel: 'Read "Man's Search for Meaning" by Viktor Frankl. He lived in a concentration camp, and thought life in a concentration camp was better than death.'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'Clearly life in the concentration camp warped his mind!'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Parallel: 'lol!'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'he also said that the best people did not survive the concentration camps.'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Martini & Tyebald: 'good book, though.  everyone should read that book.'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Parallel: 'Actually, he came up with some real existential thoughts'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'I'd rather watch Schindler's List.'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i'd rather read a book about moral man in an immoral world by reinhold neibhur, since he was less popular than john dewey or hassan al bannah'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most authors are scared to consider that the holocaust is happening ever since holodomor, focusing on the past tense and the righteous vengeance instead, placing people outside of theirselves'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the long walk's still my favourite horror novel, first one sk ever wrote, puts things into real perspective in a metaphorical way'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they should actually teach it alongside lord of the flies, and make sure that the students can recite the meaning of the words instead of only the words themself'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the ESM treaty looks a bit suspicious'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'from art. 27: "3. The ESM, its property, funding and assets, wherever located and by whomsoever held, shall enjoy immunity from every form of judicial process.."'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'esm?'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '"4. The property, funding and assets of the ESM shall, wherever located and by whomsoever held, be immune from search, requisition, confiscation, expropriation or any other form of seizure, taking or foreclosure by executive, judicial, administrative or legislative action."'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'esm = european stability mechanism, new org to be set up with hq in luxembourg, assorted european states are supposed to pay in 700bn euro'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'complete legal immunity, sounds kosher'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'offices get slightly higher status than embassies, it seems, and unsurprisingly you're not allowed to tax the esm'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So is this the Euro Stability Mechanism, or some other ESM?'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods at Vakieh.
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Whoops, should've checked the -h...'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'it's from the official treaty text, yes'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Except most Euro constitutions won't hold that up in court - thankfully for them'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'there's still the issue of getting recalcitrant nation states to ratify the treaty'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'supposed to happen by Christmas next year'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'Well we may as well watch out for a Tai-po-dong.'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'Spelling of aforementioned weapon in question'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'You just cant make up stuff better than reality'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'did you just make a Billy Blanks joke?'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'I wish I was that witty'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'no its a real ICBM North Korea developed'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'oh, I see, you said tai PO, not Tai BO.'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'this is the most transgendered mud i have played on.'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'i know no chic would choose a name like that'
T3/r5/2011-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaedus: 'so to all of you LADIES out there..... :)'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'guys, i was reading about astrology earlier, and i was wondering, can ' star crossed' actually apply to real stars too, and not just badly written tv episode scripts?'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Since astrology is bullshit you can apply anything you like.'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic really? but i heard 3 astrology guys brought frankincense and myrr to a stable to give to a baby deity.'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that's just spitshining of how things really went down.  Even as a baby, Jesus was kicking ass and taking names.  Hard to grow the cult if everyone knows from the outset that your demonspawn has a bloodthirsty side assuaged only by the tribute offered in humiliation by his cowed enemies.'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'dokkar by the way, how much spit does it actually take to shine things?'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'why, what'd you do?'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'um, well. it involves india ink'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'basically it all started when a girl was telling me about tattoo mishaps that happen with cheap ink.'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude peers intently at Dokkar.
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'you might be up for a long soak in a tonguebath.  Best make sure she's a pretty one.'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oh she is, but shes not here.'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'nobody's here =('
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude bursts into tears.
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'im actualling thinking of drinking my last beer.'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'which as it implies, means ill be alone, and out of beer'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude sighs.
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'use the empty can to collect your drool.  You can warm it up on the stove and tonguewash yourself (it's not any fun with cold spit).'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but anyways, i found out that i was born with a really neat amount of ascendants'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'dokkar that wont work, my stove tends to break glass'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and this is beer, not expensive 1800 cuervo with those nice perfluoride made plastics'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'dokkar did you know that hot glass and cold glass look almost identical?'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it depends on how hot you make the glass.'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it also depends on the glass =)'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i've seen a lot of neat glass.'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'not just boring boro silicates'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but i've seen some that was doped with uranium and fluoride'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it was kinda neat.'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and i'm assured you get more radiation by being in sunlight for 2 hours'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i'm a little nervous that they didnt say 1 hour'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'u-232 is the one you have to worry about, but there are other isotopes.'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i am more worried about 233'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'at least, I think it's 232...'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'dokkar you think it's illegal to make your own copy of the atomic bomb?'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'anywho, there's an impressively-long list of stuff in everyday life that's radioactive.'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'yeah, i heard even television screens can be'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'my radon detector uses radioactive stuff in it'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'as does my smoke detector'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'there's radioactivity in most digital clocks, it's how they keep time.'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and then from what i heard the entire ionosphere is radioactive'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oh my digital clock oscillates too slowly, but it has a radio-update feature'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'there is radioactivity in bananas too'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ranrr is that why they're not allowed through tsa gates?'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'there's probably even some in your ink, VD.'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'dokkar nah, there's none in the ink'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i tried the wax paper + vaseline oil and it didnt leave any alpha track'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hey brb, i need to go check on another window to make sure that everything is installing'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its not.'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'man why is it so hard to put together an encrypted root filesystem =('
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'reading about block and stream ciphers was so much effort, and now trying to get the ftp to work =/'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if it were easy, there'd be accidental linux viruses all over the place.'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'maybe the world is not meant to have order or a programmers touch. maybe its meant to be chaotic like more of a rippling reflection of a hindu god'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'dokkar there are, its called ubuntu'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that wasn't accidental'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'on a side note, unetbootin finally added netbsd'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'dokkar, are you sure? i heard lasagna was invented by accident'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and i like lasagna.'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so if something i like can be invented by accident, so can something i dislike'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'a short french man with body odor once said ' never attribute to malice what can be easily be explained by incompetence''
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and his name was napoleon'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'gooey-butter cake was also invented by accident.'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i prefer the thin mints, made with real girl scouts'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'many things are invented by accident.'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ryke: 'Such as VampireDude.'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'silly ryke, its werewolves that are created by accidents'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'vampires require a conscious effort to restore blood '
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pyromaniac ElementPyros: 'Is the main reason people bot based on laziness or the simplicity of being able to do it?'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Neither'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Probably due to sheer boredom with the grind and/or as a technical challenge'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pyromaniac ElementPyros: 'Care to eleborate?'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pyromaniac ElementPyros: 'elaborate*'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'agree -- sheer boredom with gameplay'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Levelling gets OLD after a while, and at that point you become more willing to 'streamline' it in various ways'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pyromaniac ElementPyros: 'Ok so what about in the case of those that do it just to get to t9 r7 l1 sit for like a couple mil qp get full 291 best gear possible then start to just look for pvp situations and such whenever possible?'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I would classify that as boredom avoidance'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pyromaniac ElementPyros: 'Ah oky yeah I see your point at the above statement.'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Hard to write a good bot though, first you have the challenge of making it kill things reliably without it getting stuck or hung up, then you have to make it imm spoof-proof'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Good luck'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Pyromaniac ElementPyros falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pyromaniac ElementPyros: 'Easy way to figure out if I was botting..I tier in the morning.'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pyromaniac ElementPyros: 'I am sure some could actually do it.'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pyromaniac ElementPyros: 'all this double + daily.'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The obvious issue is that if you fail, i.e. get caught, once, you get nuked and it's back to square one.'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'victoria raymond doesn't seem to be what victoria's secret was named after, what do you figure they're getting at?'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think it's queen victoria, naming the lustfactory after a affair you had on your wife doesn't make much sense'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'santa clause is a modern day demonology stemmed from old belief that witches used to sacrifice humans (and their minds) towards their mojo (a collective desire maybe represented as an object), itself being a lie based on salvation, the children in the blair witch project and the old belief that childrens souls are more pure than adult souls (adults know there is no santa clause) losing their remaining focus on reality if they happen to pass away sooner (the adults knew there was no santa clause, but didn't let the children in on the secret until later)'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it makes sense if you research the history of the occult a little bit, takes a little understanding of what some religions practice to comprehend as a possibility'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's just a innocent white lie though, this is another adult thing they learned from being children learning about santa clause'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the calendar's based on their jesus so you can see that some mystery surrounds most practices today, they don't document the mind of the author because that would make it better understood and easier to repeat'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lookin for evil in the world you don't have to look far, that's a supporting proof that it's a evil mystery :o'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Irish privacy watchdog calls for Facebook changes http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16289426 Commissioner Billy Hawkes will conduct a formal review of its progress in July. -> by that time people should forget that anybody made an issue out of it, and lawyers have written enough loopholes to give the illusion something changed while increasing their two-level violations of privacy behind a wall of lies'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who does business with procrastonists like this?  write your own facebook'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Haha. The Canadian privacy watchdog has gone after it a few times, still not sure if anything was changed.'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'doesn't take a rocket scientist and most algorithms you need are readily available for free, along with compatible open sources alternatives to adobe and other contracts'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't see why people send people to computer school and then privatize their monopoly's of computer programs and applications'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'to make money'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'make a new internet policy that localizes all domain names too, facebook.com has to adhere to your nation's standards in order to be registered and accessible to your citizens'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Oi, Dru, that's an AWFUL idea.'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'otherwise it redirects to your easy alternative, which is relatively equivalent filtering the functionality of the security hole through your localized laws'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'All it'd do is provide countries with a valid excuse for censorship based on basically ANY criteria they want.'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's a logical idea that slipped their minds because it opens the door for global control of this machine'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'It's akin to that bill in a U.S last year that wanted to provide the President with an "internet kill-switch" for emergencies. Who decides what requires shutting down all internet access? Who decides what criteria constitutes a 'violation' that'd let a government block websites.'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'consider taking the blue pill'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Most countries are already trying it, like Australia.'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they already have more money than 99% of the people on earth will ever see, some of them accumulatively more than a large percentage of the 99%, i don't feel sorry for their loss of money'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'warthog bastards are just monopolizing reproduction'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's how i see them'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Money has never stopped people from reproducing.'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Hell, poor people pump out more babies than rich ones :P'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: '4chan is now a virus, SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING!!!'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'all us servers rerouted through madagascar.net'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Your mom is a virus, KILL IT'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Wasn't it the perennial boogeyman of "Child porn" that's backing up their argument?'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yep, it's been shown that people with more education sluice fewer loaves'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: '"We're blocking 200 sites from being accessed." "Er... why?" "Um... child porn?"'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's almost a shame, because the dumb fucktard breeder shit is slowly diluting out all the intelligence'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'debate That's only because they're too busy reading/writing shit to be boinking'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'ops. Doubled up'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'But then, none of us will have to live with the world that's under control of the retarded sluicees who will inherit it, so it makes sense to not shit any loaves and dodge the parenthood bullet.'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'I personally plan on hitting at least 14-17 kids'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'just like my forebears in the old days'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If there's grass on the field, play ball?'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Well that too'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you don't have to take part in the fucking to be monopolizing reproduction, culling the herd of the reason the herd was in poverty was the method behind several genocides, the dictator who selected wasn't always in his own judgement'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's how i see it anyways, money, wage slaves, robots doing the working, war only opportunity or whore'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all a breeding facility for genocides'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'un-natural selection all the way'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's the version of earthly paradise the world leaders look for, don't be deceived by their faith in afterlife's of fairness'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're 100% rotten like the idea of heaven on earth is'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '99% of the world, satanists and christians and all faiths combined, honour 1% of the world population owning most of the world's economic wealth, and slave underneath their guidance forever - that's a testament of human stupidity'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you gave 1% of the population all of the weapons in the world and used 99% of the world's bare hands to take away their weapons as they replace the fallen, the 99% will win eventually'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'while it's a morbid war, the future is worse if it's not done'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'been advocating that since the start of this OWS thing'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'this isn't an occupation, this is an overlong toga party!'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but the important thing is that the 99% think for themselves and are ingenuitive in their takedown of the bastards'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'thinking people are dangerous people'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'yup, they need to read some old 60s/70s anarchist/weathermen lit'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'Operation Woodstock Sequel is a resounding success after the embarassing debacle of Woodstock '94.  Pornoshoots, public defecation, and nonstop loud music.'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'while stuff involving phones/atms and the like are outdated they got some nice stuff in there that still works with dicking with the 1% on the sly'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'anarchy comes naturally to the brave :o'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's only anarchy to the cowards because they have their unthinking cattle roused'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if people pursued fair government as their agenda then they would see that fair is about as unfair as god could let it be'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and as that bar is raised they'd get more angry, and would attempt to lower it en masse eventually (you can see this in the world)'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Phlip: 'is this a talk radio show replay?'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's just common sense, i don't repeat after others for a living'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'possibly'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'uh, yes you do, Druzil.  Ever since you got off of the canadian oil coverups, you've been bringing up stuff Fox News has been saying from 2008 onwards.'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i never watch fox news though, there's a difference between repeating and having fox come to the same conclusions i did later on'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i wasn't inspired by fox news, were you?'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'I am voting democrat this year, so yes.'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Senator Starbug enthusiastically high-fives Dokkar!
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and in 2016, I'm swinging back to Republican since Indies never have a chance.'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'democracy doesn't exist, why vote for the hollow word?'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Phlip: 'Yeah, because voting democrat the last time got us real far'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'look at them california students on their disarmed knees being ceremoniously pepper sprayed by the h.r giger police force, as they rail on about syrian unfairness ignoring how they're turning into it'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Vote Bush, that is much better'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in china people get mad because the police brutally oppress them. In america, people shrug when the police beat people up.'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'pffft, people shrug when the police BREAK INTO YOUR OWN HOUSE AND SHOOT YOU'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'so yea, I see no hope for that craphole of a country'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Phlip: 'well, the people getting shot aren't the ones doing the shrugging =)'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'near regina saskatchewan the police claim they have no material evidence supporting arson claims by farmers who protest the canadian wheat board (now it's privatized) being dismantled'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but jesus, how fast they find conclusions in other situation's, two fires in 2 days, nothing odd there is there cop'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the police should be fired for not doing their job'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I can understand why people in china don't revolt - they might get crushed by tanks... is there any reason in particular why people aren't all that angry over police brutality? Will they send in the troops?'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'and by fired I hope you mean we turn the state police station into a funeral pyre :D'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'well, that's one thing, replacing the foreign harper private cops with real local cops is one progressive step, maybe not too conservative of the private efforts that destroy canadian freedom though'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'their arguement about that would be the hells angels police force in niagara falls not noticing that this friend of theirs is a crook as they assist him in crime -> but communities know the tendencies of their citizen's when their citizen's know their community'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and so they know the cops too'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'the US is a police state, China is an oligarchy. There is a difference, althugh it's minor.'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'still, pretty depressing news these days, eh? Global depression, fascism on the rise in parts of europe, growing divisions in america and elsewhere...'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'can't imagine if something like that ever happened. Oh wait.'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well... being a police state and an oligarchy aren't mutually exclusive...'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'If stupid people didn't reproduce so much, we wouldn't have to cull the herd so much.'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I guess you can call the US an oligarchy as well'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Clearly the solution is to encourage more wars.'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Where is our Verdun?!?'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: '"Hey Iran, herd u liek nukes."'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it's more of a plutocracy than an oligarchy...'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: '"We got too many sittin' around, so you got 130 incoming. Have a good day!"'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'stupid people are the 1% of the world population who don't know how to make the 99% equal thinking people like them'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I find it interesting that many democracies only allow their people civil rights insofar as they don't use them much.'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'get rid of them and it'll be a battle of good versus evil, with them it's a battle of their definition of good versus evil'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'so the stupid people have all the money and make all the decicions? I can buy that'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like their definitions of mental illness and their definitions of normal, they oversee it all to benefit them'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I think you will find that to be different in Europe, Sonshi. We actually care.'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they are the cause of most of the crime in the world'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'perhaps...'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they notice a genius child who isn't one of them they will do anything to make sure he doesn't succeeed, because their 99% is in jeopardy if a peasant sees their ways'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: '-R'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'ops'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there were plenty of instances of police violence in italy and greece, but then, the protests were somewhat violent...'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Price of tomatoes is up'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'of course they're pissed'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, europe is 48 countries, so not all of them are behaving...'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the media is privately owned by people who rule those protestors though, do you think they would say the whole story of how it is?'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that and the whole economic crisis thing'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's not Europe, that's EU.'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, and then there's hungary...'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you'd be better off researching an individual with a personal opinion who lived there for the reality behind the events, see what kind of person they are if they're true or not'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Or technically EMU'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I heard they rammed through a new constitution there... which promises to entrench the power of the party that currently holds power'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'wonder how many years of depression we can take before mini-hitlers start appearing, like last time.'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this is one of my ancestors http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietrich,_Margrave_of_Meissen'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'related to the british royal family'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i wasn't always a slave race'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'My family isn't famous enough for wiki but they are still moderately important former royals'
T3/r5/2011-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'A lot of them basically will never forgive the US for interfering in The Great War and indirectly causing the World War since that resulted in them losing their titles and everything'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Parallel: 'Talking to people about the supposed end of the world 'predicted' by mayans is just as bad as trying to talk to creationist..>.<'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'hah'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'hah'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"Vladimir Putin's wealth put at $179,612 by Russian election officials" -Guardian(UK)'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'shows what a joke russia is'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'sounds low'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'wonder who'll believe that...'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Disdain: 'Russian state television will make that number even lower...just to make Putin look like one of the plebs. :P'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one of the 99 percent!'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Disdain rolls his eyes, disgusted.
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'really, just one of the regular guys'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one of your regular, ex-kgb fellas, you know...'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'will allah save west africans from the missing bonga fish protein? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-16320764 stay thirsty my friends'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'charity money will almost buy them more bonga fish when they're extinct, it's the thought that counts'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'say, nkorea doesn't have any missiles that can reach the east coast, right?'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'great, so even if it collapses, we're safe'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'weren't they testing some a few years back that would be able to if they finished developing htem?'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmmm... then they'd better hurry up and collapse already.'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'but NK is more about selling off such tech, so they just as likely have buyers who'd like to sell as well.'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'NK, at least under Il's rule, wasn't like Iran or Iraq where (if) they had them they'd use them.  They might saber-rattle and such, but the real danger of NK is that they'd transfer some to a more active regime hoping/quietly helping them to use them on us.'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so if you're somewhere fighting people that your real enemies funnel weapons to, what's the point in not addressing the original problem first and then leaving the others scrambling for the how-to's that they weren't provided with in the first place?'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how come america's problem is across the ocean anyways?  there's all kinds of problems on this side of the world, and that side of the world has several large mlilitaries that should be able to fend for themselves'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if it's a time of war or something just cut off all foreign transportation allowed across the airspace and ocean and save a headache while they sort themselves out'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no need for trade with them , nothing that isn't producable on the western half of the world that the east can provide'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it's always across the ocean because nobody else is willing or capable to handle their own problems without our help.  It's gotten to a point that some countries don't even try and simply expect the US or some coalition that we're ALWAYS the major portion of to fix.'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's that, but there's also possibility that you're being ridden like a horse by them'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'like it or not, we're the world's police force and we've strategized for such.'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as far back in european history i've looked always one country is at war with another, always'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so ancestor runs to america thinking they escape that bullshit, and then america turns into europe'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the biggest economy always has the biggest stake in stability'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that goes much further back.  All the way to the dawn of time.'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'game theoretically, if the major powers behave rationally, it's easy to dump all the problems on #1'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'grinding mobs and listening to audiobooks with a cup of coffe is a great way to spend an afternoon'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one way to avoid being the largest economy without driving yourself into poverty is to dismantle the country. But who wants that...'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'hey druzil, have you seen that one document about those weird religious nuts, westborn baptist church was it?'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'What do you think of them?'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'westboro?'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no, what's it about?'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'Yeah, that's it'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Azirafel: 'westboro baptist church?'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Azirafel: 'right, what about them'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'it's pretty wild. I saw a louis theroux documentary, and it was pretty weird'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Azirafel: 'the disowning of children which turn away from the church, or the shouting at funerals'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Azirafel: 'which part do you find weird?:)'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'WBC is essentially a terror group not yet willing to commit terrorism.'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'I found it funny that they were so adamant, yet every time louis asked anyone anything they started screaming at him'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'I find it strange that most religions cannot argue civilly, they always start a huge racket about it'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Azirafel: 'find the interviews with the disowned children, it's amazing'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a self-contained country that purchases what it produces in majority and doesn't murder itself to produce as slave for other countries, considering it's members it's responsibility is a large economy that is earned and supported by it's citizen's instead of foreign money'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'as if they know that they'll be proven wrong, they want to end the discussion with a force of physical effort instead of intellectual'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's really no reason at all short of enforced stupidity that that isn't the case on the western hemisphere'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'didn't even read that'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the one flaw in your rant there, Druzil, is that not a single country has enough resources to support a mostly-local economy anywhere close to the average size of said economies right now.'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'really, canada could, so could the usa'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Canada'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, they can't.'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'could effortlessly support its population'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'there'd be a shortage of things like LCD TVs for a while, while new production was ramped up'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'Yeah, azi, I got that,but I just find their reaction to a civil question really off'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'while they learn how to do it themselves, so, still got lots of tv's around, nobody would be short on them'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that was the thinking behind the DPRK...'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'the thinking isn't flawed, the consolidation of power in one (insane) man's hands is flawed'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Azirafel: 'well, how do you get people to sue you, if you don't get off '
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'It's infuriating to watch fundamentalists defend their cause. Even in the case when they're right, they should still be able to support and negate the arguments against them. These westboro peeps are just on the next level.'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we don't HAVE those resources inside the US borders, Averan.  We don't HAVE a lot of stuff we currently use to support our economy with.  If we switched to a mostly-local economy, half the items you see around you along with perhaps a third or more of the population would just be gone.'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Azirafel: 'should.. should.. problem with fundamentalists is they dont really use logic or reasoning .. it's the last escape of the 'just because''
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'huh?  I was talking about Canada'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'same thing.'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Varas nods at Azirafel.
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'didn't work out too well for those latin american countries that tried it too'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Varas: 'anycase, infuriating to watch. Perfect pre-workout entertainment.'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'nobody has enough of a resource base to go mostly-local.'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why is that?  canada's to the north with resources to share with it's western neighbour'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'import substitution. pft'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'What life essential resources is north america missing out on, exactly'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't see what raw materials are missing here to make this a self contained hemisphere'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'always a sucker of a country willing to fall for that one'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'got plenty of human resources who can be put to work, plent of materials and need to reduce production of destructive exports, stress level's to lower, problems to figure out without the pressure of foreign monopoly'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for a start, cut off the country, you have access to only your own ip.'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there still some trade, but definitely not as much, people can't live without water for instance, but water is sacrificed to monopoly as we currently stand, and that's a major threat'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'IP?'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even if you produced what you want in your own borders, the deadweight losses would bury you'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you'd survive if you can grow enough food, but not well'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we'd survive just fine, my family supported itself 100% here in the boonies before the 1940's'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh, as I said, you'd survive if you can grow enough food, but not well'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'raised their own cattle, grain and food and stuff, built their own shit, were metal workers and all kinds of skills, it's not impossible for this place to be self-sufficient'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'there were a whole heck of a lot less Canadians back then, too'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'by modern standards anyway'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'What does 'well' mean'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'even sold some to market for money to buy other thing's mostly made in canada or produced here'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'well ? they live to be 80-100 years old and healthy from the healthy lives they lived in the work as required scenario'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sitting around on your own farm sounds pretty attractive, but that's no industrial society'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yes, your foreign terrorism industry alien aspirations'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you aren't going to live to 80-100 without the industrial backbone'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Reducing imports and creating more goods locally isn't going to mean that the entire population is suddenly working in a field'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Canada (and the rest of NA) produces all the goods you need to continue industrial society'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you make everything suddenly instead of using your head to figure out how it could be done to be more efficient than it currently is'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even if you do it halfway, the deadweight losses are significant'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'and for the bits and pieces that they don't produce, we did at one point and can transition over to doing it again'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you'd lag far behind the industrialised world'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there is no deadweight losses, canada sends more cattle and grain to vietnam than it eats in a year'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I'm sorry, I just don't find economic arguments legitimate to this'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: '"Hey what if we abolished capitalism?" "Oh that'd be bad for making money."'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'money has no feelings, but the ink screams'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, capitalism is the natural order of things...'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'anything that works has to take human nature into account'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'devils versus saints v2, figure it out again, who's correct?  bottled water versus a puddle'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'human nature can change and progress'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'most of human values are just what you learn as you grow up'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'depends on what you mean by progress. I'm not fond of being a machine, for instance'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or an ant or bee'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'something capitalism is really good at forcing people to be'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as long as humans wish to do things for themselves, that tendency has to be accounted for and corrected.'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I suspect you only think that way because north america really sucks at the whole capitalism thing...'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'poor regulation, lack of free markets due to market anarchy...'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'mishandling of common resources and incentives...'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I find things like private ownership of natural resources wrong'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'have we bailed out any western hemisphere countries yet?'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'weak government...'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'profit going to owners/employers rather than workers/employees is pretty fucked up to'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'natural resources are common resources... but the people can trade them away to a private entity'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's taxation which can adjust the effects of that'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'there's also "not in my backyard!"'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I can't bring myself to respect the right of 'the people' to sell natural resources to private interest'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bThe mind acts like an enemy for those who do not control it.b Bhagavad Gita http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2011/12/2011122094233692616.html New Delhi condemns Siberian city's lawsuit that seeks to place Bhagavad Gita on list of banned "extremist literature".'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it isn't all that difficult to extract enough gains from trade to benefit almost everyone. The only problem is lack of will.'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'talking about teaching people not to think for themselves and want to serve themselves, here's some steps taken by the siberian mosque in russia'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'selling natural resources to private interests is just an exchange of certain public resources for certain other resources held privately...'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'What are these resources that are being held privately?  And how did they get there?'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'wood, food, water.'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'i always hold my own resources privately'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'potash, that mysterious missing fraction of every desert on earth'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'industrial goods, which are, in a well run society, mostly from their own labour.'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'wood, food, and water are all public resources'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for example, selling quota portions and using the proceeds to purchase medical care for the public...'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they are privatized.  I can't just go onto your land and shoot your cattle, harvest your weed, or siphon off your water.'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or selling congestion permits and building roads'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'they're not yours, ownership is a fallacy ahhhhhh'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I should sleep'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that said, many public entities like state conservationist groups are more than willing to help subsidize the management of such and offering guidance on how to increase one's yield/holdings.'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, weren't you canadian or something?'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'me? yes'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'isn't it... mid afternoon?'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'up the whole night or something?'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'worked a night shift'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ah'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, even as the state sells off quota portions, it still exercises the ultimate right of taxation, etc.'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and drug-forfeiture laws, heh'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it can wield these tools to maximise public good, whatever the public thinks that is, for suitable definitions of public, thinks, is, and...'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'even if the owner's not involved in the crime, the mere fact said crime happened on your property is enough for them to seize your land.'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'russia's the only nation with nationalized oil corporation'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'exxon etc all privately owned by mysterious private interests'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, there is a small problem of there being too many idiots in charge in... certain... countries.'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'it is?  I thought some of the African sources were nationalized, too?'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'saudi arabia's oil isn't state owned?'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I thought che nationalized bolivia's oil'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and what about Venezuela?'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Senator Starbug is agreeing with that Dokkar person again...
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'petro canada was probably underhanded but it was a government attempt at nationalizing to regulate the destruction of the athabasca river system by the NDP, dismantled into suncore in 2009'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that could be'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'india had russian stakes in venezuela earlier though'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ah... the resource curse...'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'funny how resource rich countries tend to have not-so-good governments.'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Once there's something there to make the government worth corrupting, someone corrupts it'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, harper retreat's the boundaries of national parks in northern alberta for the oil companies'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he does all kinds of questionable thing's, i'm ashamed to have such a incompetent leader'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I guess resource poor area either industrialise and are well-run, or they get destroyed.'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they'd be much more well-behaved if they had nothing to lord over the other countries.'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but, voting gets you nowhere, so it's not my fault'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'areas'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'first past the post is broken, leads inevitably to a two-party system'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha... when too many people think that way, democracy gets broken'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: '?'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'clarify'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'when the turnout gets below 50 percent and people complain about how crappy their government is, you just can't help thinking that they deserve it'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or even 60-70 percent...'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I think you're mistaking my criticism for apathy'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'referring to druzil...'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's just a arrogant way of thinking of it, they would have gotten fucked if they voted anyways, what's the point?  if they got fucked after voting they deserved it too, amiright?'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'oh, I just ignore him as much as possible'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh. heh'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most people more than likely voted for jack layton for instance, but most people don't know who everybody voted for and that's a valuable post to monitor isn't it?  so what, he lost according to them'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'things might improve with mandatory voting laws...'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I would approve of those laws, especially if they led to some awesome joke parties'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I love joke parties'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'First past the post is pretty screwy though, leads to two party systems'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we have a mandatory voting law... but our opposition is too fragmented to do much'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'over the past twenty years all of the right merged in Canada, and now they've been controlling the government for the past 12 or so years'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'our first past the post system led to a one party system...'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in a democracy there shouldn't be time limits and protocols to follow in order to have your member of democracy voice heard and action taken against problems that need solving right now'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'and in response the left and center are talking about merging, zzzz'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'when what we really need is a push to a more representative system of counting votes'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'democracy is mostly a lie when they say that's what they are, and they think that's funny, mindless electorate'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'largely because almost no one believes the opposition could be as competent'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'my province ran  a referendum to switch from FPTP a few years ago, it was 70-30 in the polls, and then the media ran a giant pro-FPTP blitz and it failed'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'yay money in government'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, can't you visit your mp or whoever and complain about your problems?'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I keep a reasonable level of contact with my MP yes'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I mean, sure, there has to be a certain time... you can't expect to wake him up at 3am...'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'But when the right controls a majority, all he can do is shrug and talk at them'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they don't see them now, they shouldn't be a MP, and since they are, they serve the person who causes them'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at 3am?'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'averan: ok, I can see why you don't pay attention to druzil...'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Averan nods at Sonshi.
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'back to hell for you, whatever your nazi hearts worship (maybe blind prophets)'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bye'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Averan whispers softly to The Imp Druzil.
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wouldn't wake my doctor or anyone at 3am, unless I was bleeding to death or something...'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'after all, politicians are regular people too...'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and presumably they sleep'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ignoring those horns and tail, anyway'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmm... the right seems on the rise these days...'
T3/r5/2011-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'is christmas saturday night or sunday morning?'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh. Are people going to vote for a presidential candidate with a huge vested interest in economic collapse?'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://blogs.wsj.com/totalreturn/2011/12/21/the-ron-paul-portfolio/'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they did in 2008, so why not?'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in 2008?'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'certainly not in terms of money...'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'm not entirely sure I would want a doctor who stand to gain zillions if I were to die in his care, regardless of how honest I think he may be...'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at least, unless he removed that conflict of interest'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'that made me gag'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'mis'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FourFavorites1101.jpg "Childhood and adolescence alike ... cannot be fed solely by concerts, theories, and abstract teaching. The truth we aim to teach them should appeal foremost to their fantasy, to their hearts, and only then to their minds". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Yeah, i'd go for that.'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as long as you see how accurate the documentation is, that's the main thing - see the mocking contrast in the picture to the saying, and compare that to king george knowing 3 languages and debating politics through them by age of 8'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'which 3 languages?'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'german, english and his understanding'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i've met kids that knew basic, c, and fortran by age 10'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil oh, i see'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, mindless repetition doesn't get you much understanding, understanding is a language of it's own'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'like being able to write comedies in german?'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if you're gonna fail, might as well aim high right =)'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you belong to the USSR version of not being seen, keep on protecting those wealthy people who taught you'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'on a side note, anyone know how to clean urine off of a ceiling?'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'bah, that would never happen in modern days, nowadays even people in the peoples republic of china have webcams'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Well, I'm a Futurist anyway, so I already have a reason to fall behind that thought. Ol' Benny could probably teach Hollywood a few actually interesting things to do if he got ahold of Cameron's rig'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do you know what their version is?'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'due to the flow of information, people can't deceive their own citizens anymore'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: '^_^'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'what weighs less, kde or gnome?'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'holodomor + great purge + holocaust + modern day africa contrast to cartoon politics and absence of honour, who had the proven record going into the war?  who installed putin in dresden in 1985?'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's how i see history to be, defamation of character can be seen in those links i posted'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil, putin wasnt in charge of the ussr.'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the opposition to the enemy is seen as the enemy of the victim's'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'malenkov was...'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'take their minds right off of reality and into your cartoon land'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil, do you think that foreign governments are any more corruptible than local governments?'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or is your harsh xenophobic criticism of post ussr russia due solely to the fact that you are afraid to speak out against local tyrants?'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're talking on bbc now about how many people france burned in furnaces in turkey, on the mussolini link you see them alleging italy doing worse -> but italy and germany didn't like france and it's military systems much and took them out, both world war 1 veterans were hitler and mussolini, fighting for their countries unlike stalin who betrayed his, as stalin moved into poland do you believe he had some prosperour purposes in mind, or was hitler and mussolini perhaps seeing what he really had in mind to the neighbour?'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as ponderous historian proof, consider how the great purge and holodomor military intentions driving into genocide poland through the USSR aren't ever considered by the no track record of previous genocide hitler condemnation through your boob tube'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's how history is malefested'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's questions they don't want nobody to look at'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil you mean, they wont pay you to look at?'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, fake historians get their jobs by feeding what their fan club that pays them want to hear for others'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'he means like why they found dinosaur bones in the mass gravepits.'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'real truth isn't as kind as glorified enemies and martyr'd devil's'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'count how many mass gravepits you find in the USSR by stalin's commandments before hitler allegedly built any of his own'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'none, Hitler had about 7 years headstart on Stalin, and it wasn't until later in the war that Stalin even started to round people up (the peak didn't hit until after Hitler blew his head off)'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge you better get your facts straight, they even acknowledge this on popular hollywood movie stalin, where he hates his granddaughters jewish husband'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and quit making me repeat myself before doing your confirmation of your baseless claims http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i was ignorant or you know you're wrong but hate the truth?'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil, you seem to be the only one talking?'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'what?  Don't like it when others troll you back?'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'honesty's only a troll to the villagers who hunt them down'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'there were also jews involved in the communist purges, at least, until Stalin turned on them too.'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oh. wait. dokkar and druzil are different people'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'that's decidedly unkosher for AIPAC consumption'
T3/r5/2011-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'thats why you will only ever see them on movies/documentaries that also bring up germans, so they can always go "Yeah but we weren't as bad as those guys, remember that, those guys were the WORST!"'
T3/r5/2011-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'is tempest work harder in the vicinity of shared ground broadcasting systems?'
T3/r5/2011-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'weather is always greater than broadcasting equipement.'
T3/r5/2011-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oh?'
T3/r5/2011-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Roninleader: 'testing'
T3/r5/2011-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'I love how the anybody but mitt crowd is now the anybody but mitt or ron crowd. Ron's finally getting the recognition he deserves :P'
T3/r5/2011-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Acknowledged dismissal.'
T3/r5/2011-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'I just logged in sorry for being late to the dabate...ok the real debate here is should i use 2 wipes or 3 when i go poop here in a sec?'
T3/r5/2011-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Live life on the edge, don't use any.'
T3/r5/2011-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'you want the dabate channel there buddy'
T3/r5/2011-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'racist bigots stopped being electible with LBJ.'
T3/r5/2011-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So...how long before Bachmann gets slated as the VP?'
T3/r5/2011-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'There's only one Diggler, and he hasn't been on in 956 days, anyway.'
T3/r5/2011-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'HAH! I'm the original...they even made that movie Boogie Nights about me'
T3/r5/2011-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'save the forest, use your hand.'
T3/r5/2011-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if you flush first, you can rinse off right there in the bowl.'
T3/r5/2011-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'are we debating that?  i though it was common knowledge to wash off in the toilet?'
T3/r5/2011-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'get one of them japanese toilets that wash your ass automatically'
T3/r5/2011-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'i thought that was a water fountain...'
T3/r5/2011-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'bidet, Australian for toilet paper.'
T3/r5/2011-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'i use the 3 shells...'
T3/r5/2011-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: '(Demolition Man reference anyone?)'
T3/r5/2011-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'yeah, we got it, it's just that movie sucks'
T3/r5/2011-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler laughs out loud.
T3/r5/2011-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'cool, Obamacare turns a free colonoscopy procedure into an $1100 one.'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'was evil lynn from he man masters of the universe more powerful than weaver from she-ra princess of power?'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'I think so yeah'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabidrabbit: 'For anyone who cares to answer, could you please give your score to Family Guy's whole series. mine 8/10'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'S1-3 9/10, S4+ 4/10'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabidrabbit: 'thanks Vakieh. cant do any scientific conclusions unfortunately:)'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'ron paul?'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what, the guy who's betting that the economy will go under while running for presient?'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'lol'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'thought that was the GOP in general'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, not really, most candidates are actually still long stocks'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'nods...the candidates are not helping themselves'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's a difference between an idiot and a possible scammer'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'Paul's flaw, least imo, is the isolationist position'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'we're not going to be able to ignore iran'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, he does have a huge financial interest in wrecking the economy... he ought to close his positions if he seriously wants to run'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Invade, invade!'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'lol'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That _is_ the usasian way, after all.'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'given how the arabs hate them, it shouldn't be too difficult to convince others to pitch in. But it would probably end in debacle anyway'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'pretty sure he'll go independent'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'nods....their neighbors are already getting close'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'their tired of it too'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'this strait issue is a joke though'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'they already tried that once....it didn't work out well for them'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they don't have much to lose by way of reputation anyway'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'that's certainly true'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'i'm surprised the clerics are/have let it get to this point'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: '"Giving Muslims a bad name since 1500!"'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'not bad, just unimaginative'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'nods'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'was off top o head....was a tangent of train of thought'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'no idea why'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'm not sure how savvy the clerics are with government anyway'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'agreed....times have changed a lot since they put there 'ways' in place'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it isn't like that's something you'd expect them to be experts in'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'er their'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wonder if any of them even studied economics'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'course...you got the royal guard too'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, the same could be said of many american politicians...'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'lol'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'you'd think people wld vet candidates several years out'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'get them some classes'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'geography for example'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you'd think voters would care if their politicians were well educated...'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but...'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'decline of western civilization'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'nods'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'but the education system in the USA is in the toilet'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, rather than decline of western civilisation, it's really just a few large countries.'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'nods'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there are plenty of well-run western democracies'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'agreed'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'seems like canada wldn't be a bad place to reside3'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'that depends on how much blubber you have'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'the USA is in such a downfall atm'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'not compared to iceland'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but with the concentration of most of the west's power into two power blocs - us and eu, eventually both will go nuts at the same time'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'good there vamp?'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cidus, iceland cancelled its currency?'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'wow'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, iceland's recovering well... better than expected anyway'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'trade in precious metals now?'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sonshi, better than expected. nice'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i had a doctor tell me that once.'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you're doing better than expected.'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'there's a joke in there....but i'm going to refrain....'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it did look like the economy was really going to break into tiny little pieces'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: '...least this time ...lol'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cidus you're mistaken =) there is no joke in that'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and get thrown in a blender, turned into concrete, and then get nuked'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'military doctors are like german police... they have no sense of humor at all'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: '...dr comment....better than expected'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude peers intently at Cidus.
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cidus blinks innocently.
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but hey aren't doing substantially worse than ireland...'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or latvia, or estonia'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sonshi its funny how all these countries have bankers screwing them over, but nobody wants a basil 3'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'USA nor EU in general aren't doing that great'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in fact, their unemployment situation is a lot better than many eurozone countries that didn't go bankrupt'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cidus why is that... it used to be the eu and the usa were economic competitors'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'foreign trade imo'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it is as if there was some gentleman's agreement among the top 8 global trading countries to do things a certain way.'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cidus foreign trade, or foreign trade 'agreements' set at g-8 summits'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'hard to pay min wage when overseas labor is $2.00 an hour'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'either or'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cidus well, in the end, a consumer driven economy either has to devalue its currency, or also has to produce something'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: '$2.00 or so...guessing....is a lot less than wages here'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, iceland did take pretty harsh action to rein in the financial sector and prop up the poor...'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sonshi i 've always believed that there's no point stealing from the poor.'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'it's just not good sense regardless'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so perhaps it isn't a surprise that they're doing better than countries which propped up the rich and screwed over the poor.'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sonshi hey dont get me wrong, if i was rich, i'd be all for being propped up'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'multipliers are higher for the poor, after all'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sonshi no, its more that the poor dont have anything to steal'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, not in this country, I guess...'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'time'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'I've always contended...that once there's only a lower class and an upper class....the lower will only take so much before there's problems....it's occurred over and over re the past'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sonshi in america our grocery stores rely on poor peoplse food stamps, so they raise the prices for everyone'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cidus you forget an important point though'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, only insofar as they raise demand'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'what's that'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'people desire to be led.'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but the only alternative is that they consume less food'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'perhaps most'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'i can see that'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if all the leaders are for peace and status quo, there's no riot.'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'but peace isn't always a possibility...just like the war w/iran that's approaching'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'i can see status quo though'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sorry, but that's moronic'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'what part?'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you need two hands to clap... but only one to punch'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'there's absolutely no need for any action against iran on the part of the usa'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'no more than there was a need for the crusades in the 800-900s'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'it's not going to be the USA...it's going to be a coalition with many nations'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'call vegas man'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oh. so if we're all raping her, nobody is guilty?'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'not my call'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'just the upcoming war'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cidus, well, iran has free democratic elections.'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'you don't truly believe that do you?'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they have a populace that formed the current government by overthrowing a military dictatorship by student protests and seizures of buildings'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh. Free iranian elections'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'so does cuba'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'do did Germany'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they dislike america not because of democracy, but because of the way we screwed them with roosevelt /carter'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'they dislike America because of capitalism'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'america occasionally tramples on the rights of others.'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cidus you're mistaken. iranians arent communists'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'lol sonshi'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'occasionally? :P'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in the great DPRK, you can vote freely for the single qualified candidate!'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'their tudah party's members were represeed heavily by the fascists'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you can look up their SAVAK organization later on'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'oh...i don't believe we shld be the world police'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cidus okay, so if not to 'police' their elections'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'what is a good reason to start shooting persians'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'not what I was referring to'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'does it make oil cheaper?'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'no. oil goes up in price when you shoot people in most oil producing countries'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'texas being the exception'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'lol re tex'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so if it's not for democracy. it's not for oil'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'no...oil will go up'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'what is the reason?'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, in iran's case, it's more of a nuclear proliferation problem rather than oil'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sonshi, that's bull.'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'america tried to GIVE them nuclear reactors in the 1970s'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'America gets little if no Iranian oil....'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'don't think we get any'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'but yes....prices will go up'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and even now, the latest iaea report shows that they don't have any nuclear weapons programs'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'states not backed by a major power should be prevented from acquiring nukes. Well, the rest shouldn't too, but no chance of prevention there.'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'did you actually bother to read it?'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i did.'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'didn't say it'd be convienent'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sonshi, pakistan has nukes.'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'missed it....read what?'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'states that require other states to not make nuke should get rid of their own nukes first'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'paki does indeed have nukes'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'pakistan is backed by major powers...'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'disagree'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'the genie is out of the bottle folks. '
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'need a few nukes'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'it keeps everyone in check'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if we're letting pakistan and israel have nukes, what's wrong with the iranians having non weapon nuclear reactors for energy'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'no sane person wld pull the trigger....they know the results'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cidus no sane person would bomb somalia to win an election'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: '...that said.....Iran isn't sane'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cidus is bill clinton sane?'
T3/r5/2011-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'inspections regimes ought to be stepped up for countries with possible nuclear ambitions...'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'nor enter an Iraq war I suppose'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sonshi, inspection regimes?'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'is bush?'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, simply, iran isn't backed by someone big, unlike pakistan or israel'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'both s'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'both sr and jr'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cidus the iraq war was easy, all sorts of americans were looking for olive skinned semitic arabs to hate after 9/11'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'what?!'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'was easy'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cidus falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cidus, september 11 2001, there was a series of plane wrecks'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you missed it i guess.'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'don't be ignorant'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cidus, we had absolutely no reason to drag nato equipment into iraq.'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'the sultanate of oman had wars with the brits, and alliances and treaties with the usa.'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'right now, the straight of hormuz that's in the news for the iranian navy, brushes up right alongside oman'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so, is it a good thing for the british, and a bad thing for the americans, that the straight is restricted?'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude peers intently at Cidus.
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'most of the world would have a problem if that passage is impeded'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sonshi oh.'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if they try it, force will likely be applied'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'well golly gee. most of the world that would have problems there, is trying to sanction iran.'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'what's the gap in logic for you ?  we're sanctioning them, they're retaliating by restricting the trade through their waters'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'pretty much'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if we can't take a bloody nose maybe we shouldnt be sanctioning them'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'sorry...phone...let me catch up'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, you dont see rabbits retaliating against tigers...'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sonshi oh. so you mean... if you're a predator, you can go bully anyone you want, like say... tibet or taiwan?'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'justice aside, some things are just stupid, like leaving your car unlocked in a bad neighbourhood just because it is your right'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sonshi, living in a bad neighborhood ?'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'what makes it a bad neighborhood?'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'they've already tried in the past to close it....think was called 'operation praying mantis'...the US operation that is'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'the income levels of the residents'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'the drug recreations?'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'skin color?'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'they didn't suceed btw'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cidus if we really wanted iran subdued, we would have left sadaam alone.'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'violent crime rates higher than +1sd?'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'okay. violent crime'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'that means that there is violence, and that it is not sanctioned.'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'it's coming man'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'it cannot be avoided'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'however, if the violence were sanctioned, such as giving a private company like blackwater authority to go secure a diamond mind or an oil field in nigeria... or afghanistan'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'don't compare militaries with a contractor'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'then its okay, right?'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'they are in no way equals'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cide, when we're talking foreign policy, congress is allwod to issue letters of reprisal'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'they are not equals'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'surely we got some service peeps in here'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cidus okay. so if a country says hey, its now legal to kill people who are iranian, or its now okay to kill people whoa re israeli. then its ok, right?'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you're doing the whole an eye for an eye thing, you must be prepared to go blind'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'for the greater good'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cidus okay hitler.'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'that's exactly what was said about hitle'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'that's exactly what was said about hitler'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wonder how many would cry for iran if it gets wiped out after going a step too far'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cidus, hitler felt he was serving the graeter good. he claimed to 'see god''
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'we sat back...even compromised in the beginning....and look how it ended'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sonshi don't cry for iran, they have plenty of weapons to defend themselves with'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and eventually, he managed to get germany's eyes poked out'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Best way to get order in the middle east is to stop meddling.'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ranrr is 'order' what we want?'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'too late now'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'these days, it seems little can resist overwhelming air power'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Attacking random countries have been tried now since ww2, and it doesn't work.'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if it were up to me, i'd say require saudi arabia to take on a more direct role.'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they profit more from stability in the region than anyone in the western hemisphere'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 's.arabia seems to be coming on lately'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'middle eastern and african nations are increasing coming together in condemnation of Iran'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cidus okay. crucify him!!'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'who?'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'nobody likes him. nobody wants him. crucify him!!!'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'it's not a 'him''
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cidus it doesnt matter. everyone says they're evil'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'no need for a trial. no need for a crime'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'CRUCIFY Him'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'you got clerics and the royal guard'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude prods Cidus into action!
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'again....we can sit back or we can be proactive....if we don't learn from history we're bound to make the same mistakes'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cidus what's next... a need to go to war against iraq because they have weapons of mass destruction?'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'er can't'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'hey....that was all wrong'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'he was fighting daddy's war'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cidus okay. and yet you say iran is a good war?'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Let the countries that can afford it take care of it. Europe and the US cannot afford any more wars.'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'i'm not saying any war is good'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ranrr let's just cut off all u.s. foreign aid for 3 years. see how well that fixes our economy.'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'i'm saying sometimes conflicts cannot be avoided'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cidus let me teach you how to avoid a conflict'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'but we're members of the UN'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'step 1, live more than 3000 miles away from people you dislike'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'we're the quarterback'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'step 2, don't get into a jet plane'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'crisis averted'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'you don't go into the big game without your quarterback'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'they've supported us and we shld return the favor'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cidus tell that to the packers re: brett favre'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'lol favre'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cidus hold on. when has the united nations ever supported us'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes, we should disband the UN, correct. It is just an excuse for NATO to start wars.'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'our backs in Iraq'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ranrr instead, let's disband nato'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its not needed now that the ussr is gone'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'the world is no longer so small'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'doh....big'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'refer to step 2 : don't get into a jet plane'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'An let's make a new UN, without vetos.'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'what re plane?'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'I missed the orginal comments'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'dont worry, so did ranrr'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'I think all members shld have to vote'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'all'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cidus nah, just let the fearless leader tell them how to vote.'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'not just the big 7'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: '(all hail fearless leader)'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: '??'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, but no vetos. Or vetos for everyone.'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'no vetos'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'majority rules'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'thats right, suddenly the federated states of micronesia veto the resolution to go to war.'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'As it is now, NATO controls the UN. That's bad.'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cidus a majority rules setup will turn the matter into a proxy state battle'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ranrr would it be any better if russia controlled the un?'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'I disagree'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cidus do you disagree about the good/bad aspect, or about the state of control'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'i think most modern nations realize we're all in it together'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cidus if that were the case, we would have 1 world government'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its not the case.'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'again...the world is no longer so big....what happens on the opposite side of the globe affects us more than ever'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'although nato countries are our wartime allies, they are our peacetime competitors'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cidus thats only because we don't produce enough locally.'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'no arguement there'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'I've already complained about us labor vs foreign labor'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'then stop talking, and start producing.'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'lol'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'I do my share'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'let's open up a copper smelting plant.'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'lol....got some pennies?'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'we'll be able to smelt copper . it'll create jobs for lots of health care workers, and for several laborers'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'wait....joking you fbi peeps'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cidus you know its perfectly legal to allow the copper from pennies to leach off the presence of magnesium sulfate '
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'destruction of us currency is illegal'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and it allows you a purposeful use of rusted nails in sunlite'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cidus destruction yes. but there's no requirement to preserve it'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'the pennies? sure...you can fill as many jars as you want'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'myself, if i put a nail or a stack of 50 pennies on soil that my plants eat, the pennies lose all their copper and zinc'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 're perserve'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'throwing away a resource'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'there is a thin shell present that takes longer to remove which is neither copper nor zinc'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cidus nah, if i oxygenate the soil the copper comes to the surface'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'god forbid economies are forced back in commerce via precious metals....re silver, gold'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or alternately, if i cover the plants with cellophane until they oxygenate it for me'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'surface of soil or coin?'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cidus, the speculation and the re-sale of debts is what is harming the economy'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'but yes....pennies before mid 1982 are 90% copper'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if we just bring in basil 2's standards for american financial institutions things would be safer'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cidus, and that copper is just as edible to plants.'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'agreed re debts'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you know if you get some distilled water'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'again, throwing away money'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and put several pennies into it'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'literally'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'a portion of the copper dissolves into the water'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and copper friendly plants can drink that water just fine'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'interesting'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'been a while since chem'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but you can get iron and copper from various plants.'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'by allowing them to putrify and then burning the remains into an ash'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'can you 'produce' amounts re plants'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or by burning them before putrefaction .'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'or just referring to a daily body intake'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cidus yes, but it requires you to kill the plant'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cidus you mean how much do they absorb?'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'nods...that's ok'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it depends on the quality of light'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'ah'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and the amount'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and of course, which plant'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'lol....i'd imagine that'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'myself i find that both my agave and my camelia like copper.'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'my agave will even eat mercury.'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'you don't need that'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'lol'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i know, thats why its ok for her to eat.'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but between the nitrates in the soil, and the oxalates in the plant'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'coo coo....thought we speaking of using it re consumption or topical'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i can go through 50 cents of pennies in 1-2 weeks'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'by way of the soil /roots'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'yet again...throwing money away'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'not as long as i keep the plant.'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'people steal money, they don't steal plants.'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'debate besides, it makes my air a little fresher and my room a little greener.'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'thats worth 50 cents ^_^'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you understand though, if i had an older larger plant, it could eat through more'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'my farts make my room a little greener'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic, which kind of fart?'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the one where you don't shit your pants'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if you're wearing a tampon can you still quief?'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: '50 90% copper coins have a base worth of 1.11'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'that's a good percentage profit'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'especially since the energy for recollection is solar.'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'solar is the future energy source...get in as soon as you can'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cidus dont worry, mother nature's been using solar for eons'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'exactly'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'if the sun can power our solar system, it can certainly provide us with power'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cide did you know in the 1980s retinoic acid was studied in the eyes of baby kittens by vacuuming all the air out of glass aquarium shaped boxes'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'didn't'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'in order to study the way it would make new veins form in the eyes of dying baby kittens before their eyes would explode?'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: '...for the greater good'....'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: '28 years later, scientists in germany are announcing that retinoic acid is useful in growing tissue'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'theories change'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'this time they're saying it in humans though=)'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'scientific method....got to be able to repeat that stuff'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i wonder where they will get the volunteered babies for such tests'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'never'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: '...imagine all there is to know....'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you never know. there's a lot of organ donors in afghanistan right now'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'tacky'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i've heard kidneys go for as little as 600 usd.'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'oh...organ trade?'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'legality is a matter of jurisdiction.'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'really? should buy low sell high!'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'nods...surprised they don't get a lot of 'travelers' for that reason'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'redryn did you know that usa's tsa lets you fly on a plane so long as any organs are frozen when you board =)'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'course....the operation might not be the thing that kills ya'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cidus people travel to the middle east for organs often.'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'ah'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but don't worry. none of the organs lack a proper paper trail'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'the black market organs all end up elsewhere.'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'don't think i wld, again, it might not be the operation that kills ya'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'nod...know a bit about the trade'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cidus, if you need a new organ, you can't just sit around and wait for the pizza guy to die'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'nevertheless'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'i'd take my odds re the rest of the world versus'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'besides'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'if it's for sale in Iran, somebody outside the country can 'order' it'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'actually iran isnt allowed to sell organs to a lot of places due to sanctions'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'man iranian chicks are hot too =/'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: '...oh...we talking about legality?'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if i had an extra 2800 dollars i'd totally go visit .'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hmmn'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'i'd say most nations have laws forbidding it'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'say... cidus... do you think i could get a book deal and an advance to write a book on visiting iran?'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: '...i'm not sure those involved in the trade are very worried about the laws though'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'not from me ..,..lol'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cidus much like adoptions, they want the kid in a family. even if they have to fib on the forms'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cidus but in general'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'the book might sell, and it would pay for the trip.'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'dude...you don't have to say 'cidus' every time'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'what, does cidus meant cunt or something in some weird european language? am i insulting you by saying cidus?'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'someone wants to be booted'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'no....you're just being redundent'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'it's just me and you atm'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if you say so. '
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'really?'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'hi!'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi runs away in utter terror!
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hiiii redryn'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'yes yes...but you haven't been talking'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'i didn't forget ya'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'so cidus, is it ok if i use your name?'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'if you must redryn'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'incidentally, am i the only one that finds it annoying that both hungarian and romanian and armenian use the same word for a female prostitute or whore , commonly called a ' cunt' in some parts of the english speaking world?'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'thnx cidus!'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'justification won't work'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its like, leaving no room for creativity =('
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'np redryn'
T3/r5/2011-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'Presidential race?'
T3/r5/2011-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'Obama2012'
T3/r5/2011-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rolst: 'ill pass'
T3/r5/2011-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'lol'
T3/r5/2011-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'romney 2012'
T3/r5/2011-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'no way'
T3/r5/2011-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'i'll pass'
T3/r5/2011-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no way, dude.  We're gonna put the old-fashioned sort of racist back into the Oval Office.  RonPaul4vah!'
T3/r5/2011-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'Perry or newt is the GOP candidate'
T3/r5/2011-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rolst: 'i honestly dont know who to vote for'
T3/r5/2011-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'rofl dokk re racist'
T3/r5/2011-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: '3rd party obv'
T3/r5/2011-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'gop would be smart to nominate huntsman, but they won't'
T3/r5/2011-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'gop, smart'
T3/r5/2011-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'third party can't win at this point in time'
T3/r5/2011-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'that will never stop being true until people vote third party'
T3/r5/2011-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'it's a catch-22, so I vote with whoeer lines up with my values'
T3/r5/2011-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'or a third party gets organized and says organized'
T3/r5/2011-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'you need a strong 4th party to split the votes before anyone outside the two major parties can win'
T3/r5/2011-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'agreed'
T3/r5/2011-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'first past the post inherently leads to a two party system'
T3/r5/2011-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rolst: 'vote for whoever lies least'
T3/r5/2011-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'lesser of two evils'
T3/r5/2011-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cidus: 'but I agree'
T3/r5/2011-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Iowa primary is Jan 3rd?'
T3/r5/2011-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'correct'
T3/r5/2011-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Bachman(n) ftw!'
T3/r5/2011-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'ftw?'
T3/r5/2011-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'I think we need more faith and God to guide the country to success'
T3/r5/2011-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and since everyone knows that it's impossible for Ron Paul to win anything, we can congratulate Romney already?'
T3/r5/2011-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'santorum is coming up fast'
T3/r5/2011-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Santorum is surging, the papers say :P'
T3/r5/2011-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Do you know who that is?'
T3/r5/2011-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Try googling him.'
T3/r5/2011-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'just google santorum, you'll see some surprising results!'
T3/r5/2011-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'can't really look to Iowa anymore.  It's been more than 10 years since they got it right.'
T3/r5/2011-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Last I saw he was varying between 11 and 16% and looked like one of 4 'probable' 3rd place finishers'
T3/r5/2011-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'my excuse for following US politics is that it's far more important for Norway than Norwegian politics'
T3/r5/2011-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'although since special interest groups own 90% of the politicians, it's not a very good excuse'
T3/r5/2011-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I haven't really found a republican I think is good this time., although I would like to know more about Huntsman.'
T3/r5/2011-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'huntsman would have the best chance at beating obama. just not the best chance at winning the nomination'
T3/r5/2011-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'There will be an Iran war in sept-oct, so no one can beat Obama anyway :)'