T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what is the current basic wage in the USA'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'mimimum wage is $7.25 an hour (a few states have raised it above that).  average wage is somewhere around $19 an hour.'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'i think that tip based wages the minimum wage is 3 something but it has been a while since i have checked'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'yes, it's something like that, but I think your employer has to bump it up to minimum if you tips are too low.'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'apparently, Florida is introducing a bill to reduce the halve the basic wage for tipped food-servers from $4 to $2.13 '
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'apparently, Florida is introducing a bill to reduce the basic wage for tipped food-servers from $4 to $2.13 '
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'that sucks '
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'thank god, how could any employer afford $4 an hour  <-------sarcasm'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Princess Liathum: 'Mm, looks like I'll be increasing my tips for my pizza delivery driver.'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I wish they would increase mimimum wage 2% a year and not 30% every 15 years.'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'heard that in the USA, a lot of jobs are internships where the employers do not pay the interns anything'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'its true, some of them are probably worth it if the employee learns enough, but I'm sure many of them are set up to benefit the employer.'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'the same goes with temp type services'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'temp type interns ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perhaps if internships were so valuable an education tool the school system should look at including them ? '
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'intern teachers ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'no as a temp you get paid though not as much as full time employees you do the same job but get none of the benifets'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'schools teaching the skills otherwise learned during an internship ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'trade schools'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'the schools will go broke haha'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perhaps take some of the funds gained from taxing and creating excise on fuel and put it into the education system ? '
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'cause it sure aint being spent on roads '
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the rich do not want to pay taxes and the poor are too poor to pay taxes'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the poor always shoulder the tax burden , they can't get out of it '
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '50% of the USA pay no taxes - likely since they are too poor'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a contributing explanation may be: a lot of them are homeless and without any paying job'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'do the employees of Child Services enforce their "religious" and "personal preferences" upon single parents that come to their notice: as in the case of "Charlie Sheen"'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Look out druzil! A new challenger appears!'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Infidels are BURNT and CRUCIFIED as The Imp Druzil spreads the word of supa mutt!
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'oh, he isnt a new challange'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, yeah, as soon as the media says something about someone we should take them behind the barn and shoot them since they must be guilty :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'reverse sarcasm does not work with republican government officials in the USA -- they may take those suggestions seriously'
T3/r6/2012-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they already have'
T3/r6/2012-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'I just drove home and I listen to Right Wing nutcases for fun . . . Michel Savage and all those dopes.'
T3/r6/2012-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'The guy tonight was trying to redefine the issue by defining that 'slut' was, in fact, a real noun, and therefore can be used anytime.  He was totally dodging the context of the use of the word.  It was sad and pathetic.'
T3/r6/2012-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that wasn't a Republican invention, either.  Recall the explanations for the "slut-in" held a year or two back.'
T3/r6/2012-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'If we get fooled into attacking Iran by our 'partners' in the Middle East- all bets are off.  The Myans could be right about 2012 then - no joke'
T3/r6/2012-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'so I can say SLUT on this channel?'
T3/r6/2012-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yes.'
T3/r6/2012-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'no'
T3/r6/2012-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as long as it isn't a personal attack'
T3/r6/2012-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'I don't want to just testing hehe'
T3/r6/2012-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: ''can I say 'asprin between the knees' on this channel?!?'
T3/r6/2012-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '?'
T3/r6/2012-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi walks around in the room, looking very confused.
T3/r6/2012-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'thank god'
T3/r6/2012-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Froggle 0
T3/r6/2012-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you might try using "aspirin"'
T3/r6/2012-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r6/2012-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'http://hankforsenate.com/'
T3/r6/2012-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'this cat really is running for senate, apparently.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmm... looking at the data from Saez (berkeley), average real income excluding the top 1% never managed to recover to the high reached before the post-clinton 2001 recession.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I find that terribly hard to believe given the housing boom during that same post-2001 period.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it could take decades for it to recover to clinton highs'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Clinton good,  Republicans very bad'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that boom was more driven by credit than income...'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'enron/dotcom ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Clinton = 1990s Reagan'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the post-2001 housing was based upon deceptive mortgages that looked good at the start then turned very bad due to deceptive mortgage offers bordering on legalised fraud'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'by an interesting coincidence, the high point of this period of american history may well be the very last year of the previous millenium.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Clinton was superior to that senile Reagan'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, he wasn't.  You just don't like to admit to his failings just as much as republicans don't like to admit to his.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'reagan or clinton, it isn't likely we'll see government anywhere near as effective as that era, at least for a while.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'finally got something right zade'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at least judging from politics today.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'many Republican supporters got rich from the carnage that Reagan wreaked - and the other republican supporters are deceived fools'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'assuming we don't die a horrible political death in the meantime, we're due for another Reagan/Clinton-type in a couple more cycles.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'bring back hoover!'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'declining real incomes are going to be a large structural impediment to good growth for a while, I'd wager.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Carter ! or tricky Dicky , even better ==P'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, Dick Nixcon ruined it for that type of president.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Nixcon , lol nice !'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when a lot of Americans lost their life's savings from the S&L deregulation fiasco, a lot of republicans became rich or at least profited from this gutting -- so of course those republicans want more of the same (deregulation and carnage)'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'another major shock to the economy, and it might start looking hooverish...'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there are a bunch of hoovers... the prez, the fag, the salesman. Which one do you want?'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Hooverism is a foregone conclusion.  We don't seem all that inclined to back away from the precipice we all see looming before us, even if we're not exactly inexorably being pushed over it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the decline of the middle class is going to ruin the USA'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Feudal states have shown they can survive without a middle class :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hell, even Roosevelt made huge mistakes that made the Depression longer and tougher than it really needed to be.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'government spending has been anemic even in the face of high unemployment.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so you are saying that during the recession the guys working the government printing press were laid off?'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and it's odd that republicans are blocking any significant increase, even though that's what their "hero", reagan, effectively did.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the reason for that is obvious, Sonshi :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'wrong party in the white house?'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'When Goldwater was asked what he would do in Viet Nam, he effectively said that he would bomb the shit out of them. LBJ was "appalled" by this. After he won the election that is exactly what he did :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's the same strategy.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'as the 99% become poorer and poorer, they shall spend less and less money, which is eventually going to affect the retail stores adversely'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you make the incumbent look bad for increasing spending, when he is out you do the same.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, there's solutiosn to all these <yadda yadda> problems, but the people 'fixing' them don't have solutions in mind, only illusions that will spread and give false feelings of progress - it's been done throughout recorded and unrecorded history'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'retail is already doing horrible.  Even the banks are finding that most of their customers are inherently unprofitable.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if voters voted with greater wisdom rather than how well the country's doing, the opposing party wouldn't have a large incentive to wreck the country for the incumbents.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one can dream...'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there is no self-less philosophers/philanthropists or problem solvers on earth, willing to sacrifice their own high seats when it risks them not being above in the future'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'customers are profitable its the regulatiopns prohibitng hcarging fees to dumbasses that kill profitability'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's been like this since before recorded history and it will never change'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, what voters need to do is not to vote... for any of the candidates. They ought to vote for themselves. Make a point.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some of the rich are encouraging the decline of the middle class, hoping to pick up more bargains'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Frank-Dodd doesn't prohibit fees, it just prevents them from becoming excessive.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that isn't true - there are plenty of selfless leaders. Problem is, they get stabbed in the back early and often.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'living things aren't built to be selfless :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it's not just dodd-frank, it's other "consumer protection" laws which prvent overdrat charges, which prevent credit card fees, and now which "reduce" fees banks charge to merchants'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'BoA is planning on charging for checking if you can't maintain a monthly balance of $2000+.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that is possible sonshi, i seen a good side to stephen harper, and a chinese side that made me wonder what changed that'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the reality is dodd-frank just doubled the costs to MERCHANTS of credit cards, and reduced it for some.  it's pathetically stupid'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the republicans at the state levels are seeking to pass laws to turn workers into poorly paid forced slaves'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of, BofA'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'good hans, it's about time'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'if you are lik  99.5% and don't understand how credit cards work on the biz side, plz don't opine on dodd-frank'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Florida is seeking to nearly halve the basic wage of tipped food-workers'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'hey, the question I ask is, why did it require a law? If a bank tries to gauge me I take my money out. The problem is that consumers actually believe they are being done a favor by the businesses for letting them spend their money there.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it costs money to have branches and run ATMs, banks should charge checking account fees.  the only reasons they didn't before is because conscientious customers who never overdrafted got a free ride on the irresonpisble who did and paid $25 each time'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'BoA has ALWAYS charged for checking.  It's just that it was the behind-the-scenes merchanting that was paying it for you.  With Frank-Dodd gutting that, banks like BoA are moving those fees out into the open onto the customer.  The amount of the transactioning hasn't changed, just who's paying for it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if the consumers got their act together, businesses would begin to behave. You want to raise your prices? Fine, we won't buy your product.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'now the stupid are "protecteD" by our govt, and we can't free ride anymore'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'anristos  exactly 100% agree'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there were some women in FLA rioting becuase they wanted to spend 225 USD on a pair of tennis shoes. Stupid cows.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it became law because the government wants to "protect" people from making bad decisions and it's politically popular to pretend that "big bad banks" are overcharging'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'except that companies are taking a look at their customers and responding with "'Kay, nice knowin' ya.  Don't let the door hit you in the ass!"'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no wonder Nike gets away with selling them at that price.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the banks, at least, are.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'hans there are about ten thousand banks in the US'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so I ask you, if you know a bank is overcharging you why do you stay with that bank?'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'if you are getting overcharged,  move'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'm not with one of those banks'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'm guessing there are local monopolies in some areas.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'there are NO local monopolies for banks in the US... geez'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you don't need congress, all the consumers have to do is issue an ultimatum. Quit fucking with us or we will take our money out.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am willing to bet the banks won't call the bluff.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'many banks charge atm fees for use of their atms for an account at another bank, for example.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'sure, take your money pittance out -- the bank does not care that much - the banks may raise the service-charges for chequing and bill payments to cover the interest-free ride on the 2000$ you refused the provide'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, the customers are doing exactly that right now with BoA, and BoA is openly HOPING they leave the BoA family.  If they do, the BoA banks naturally look better.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'as they should sonshi -- it's that banks; property.  they pay the cost to buy it, maitnain it, fix it, stock it wit money... why should customers expect to use it for free?'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you don't understand, Zade. Banks don't have enough money to return all the money back to the depositors.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it would be a lot of efficient if those resources were pooled'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'hanslanda i don't think you understand the first thing about banks'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'all banks are required to do is to have sufficient ready reserves deposited at the Fed.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what makes you think that, K?'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'local monopolies tend to result in deadweight losses. Bad for the economy overall.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ready reserves are  fraction of the deposit amount.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it doesn't make BoA "look betteR" to have customers leave.  it really doesn't matter much to them at all'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it would matter if they all chose to walk. Which is my point.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'all thigns equal they prefer everyone has a savings account with them, but they don't realy care if you leave one way or another'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you really need to have more access to banking records, Kojiro.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and did the Fed or the Government initially provide the ready reserves that the Banks deposited with the Fed'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, that is true for an individual, Kojiro. I am not talking about an individual effort, I am talking about a consumer movement.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'ok sonshi -- but the beauty of money is it's a commodity.  you can bank online.  you don't even need a f'in local bank.. there are no monoplie sin the US when it comes to moeny'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you need to use an atm to get physical cash, for example...'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'BoA is in a position where they effectively have too many customers of the wrong financial quality.  They want to get rid of those customers, because they aren't making any money off their money.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i''m a profesisonal bank ivnestor so feel free to tell more about banks hans'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'lol if you wonder where you investments went, its because banks hire people like kojiro to handle your money'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'regrettably, unlike cash, atms in the us aren't fungible, because of certain peculiarities in the us system.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and you are under the belief that the consumers can't harm a bank?'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'they may have too many mortagges of the wrong quality.. but they would prefer anybody's deposits.  it's just they would prefer to make people pay for the accoutns too, and it doesn't matter if they lose some along the way of that happening'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, but they cannot do so if the bank WANTS to get rid of customers.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'anaristos only if they all mvoe together of course'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Banks like BofA are always starved for ready reserves, they are either at th discount window or doing reverse repos on Tuesday night.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'a bank can close a depsoitor's accoutn for any reson s it wants'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'they don't need to gin up somethign to make people leave they ca n kick you out'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, Kojiro, you still haven't said what a bank would do if all its costumers decided to close their accounts for any reason.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if Kojiro really is a banking investor, BoA wants his gobs of cash.  They don't want the hundreds of thousands of penny-ante piles the average joes accumulate.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'not really anaristos... they are so flush with non-int bearing checking deposits from the flight uot of money markets'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'they have more idle cash than they can responsibly loan out!'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so you are saying that a bank can operate as a bank without deposits.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no, I'm saying that big banks today have never been more flush with deposits'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sounds like you're not really doing your job, heh.  Get crackin', investorman!'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'sure they do hans, because those guy sneed mortages someday and they need credit cards'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and I am asking what would they do if costumers threatened to withdraw al their money if the bank continued with certain of their policies.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i agreed with you and said if all customers move at once, you have a problem'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'look at wamu and wachovia, or look at repo lines getting pulled from lehman / bear'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, and that is just for banks, costumers have the same power everywhere. So you can blame the shape of the economy on the costumers :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the debit cards will come back, just once the fire and brimstone has died down'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'for putting up with whatever shit the businesses want to throw at them.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'fees i mean'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i would actually love customers to pull out of BAC.. that bank is so sick with blaoted overhead expense it' sdisgusting'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'give them some urgency'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if after this incident the costumers return, then then they deserve whatever they get.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if the consumers parked their cars gas prices would go down. Gas prices are up because people put up with it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'even if the fundamentals indicate that gas prices should climb, that doesn't mean that people have to pay it. They can refuse and force the price down.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'and because latin america pays a lot for all the gasoline we export instead of consume domestically :('
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they can shift the demand curve, sure...'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'they can't force the price lower than production, after a bit ppl will just stop supplying. :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'gasoline isn't very optional for most people'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'correction: they can't do so long-term.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'demand is already low.  It's the supply we have a problem with.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'drastically, Sonshi. When 90% of all workers don't show up to work on Monday morning, the pressure on the gas companies will be unbelievable.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'furthermore, for many people, moving to a gasoline-free lifestyle would require relocation or just not be doable at all. for example, in my town, just going shopping for food requires 2 hours each way on a bus if you don't have a car.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a general strike is a beautiful thing to behold :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it's tricky in gasoline... america just became a net petroleum products exporter for the fisrt time in a very long time... it's because in part latin america pays a lot more for gas than we do'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so?'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'people not showing up for work doesn't put pressure on the gas company, it puts those people out of work'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'your boss won't buy "I'm protesting gas prices" as an excuse'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i promise you gas companies can just export whatever people aren't consuming while they sit at home and get their asses fired'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and he doesn't have a direct line to the gas prices'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Not Guilty Kojiro.
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'you can't really "pressure" oil companies.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'oil is an input cost of gaoline -- look at oil'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'did some idiot/troll say "Feudal states have shown they can survive without a middle class" -- counter-examples are:  the French aristocracy prior to the Frencgh revolution, tzarist russia prior to the Red revolution, ...'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'What I have always noticed is that when the ME people raise the price of their oil, the people in TX and CA raise it to match. They could maintain a lower price for the domestic product and help the country, instead they yell and scream at the Arabs all the way to the bank.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hellz yeah, and we take it'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's american, dagnabbit'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not to mention that many US oil companies are in partnership with the Arabs anyway.  So  the US is screwing the US not the Arabs.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'without high prices, there's little incentive to reduce consumption...'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'give me a break.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'so tell the government to stop wasting billions on shit and pay 1 million to every genius to get to work innvoating bnetter battery technology for  electric vehicles'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'debate without a strong middle class, a country is usually headed to abject inferiority and/or a bloody revolution and/or a vicim of genocide and/or something bad'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'or some reasonable mass transit alternatives -- I'd take the bus to more places if I could.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'do you think that the consumption now is significantly less than when the price for a gallon at the pump wasy 0.25?'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there are more cars on the road now than ever before.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'under an assumption of rationality, if gas prices increase substantially, people should demand better public transport'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it's mroe of course because of inflation'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, and inflation is an artifact used by the gaugers.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '"not in my backyard" kills a lot of construction projects that would benefit us all.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or if the cost of owning a car were to increase...'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'sonsi yes if gas prices are expected to stay high for a long time but they are so volatile it's hard to jsutify a large outlay for an uncertain futur ebenefit'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'St. Louis almost never got their Metrolink system initially because nobody wanted the noise and crime and ugliness associated with public transportation.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I have a better solution. Everybody stays home tomorrow and don't go to work. Let me know what the price of gas is going to be by Friday.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i love listening to all the super liberals, socialists, communists  you guys ar ea riot'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'About the same, because for most people there are ten others waiting to take the job.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you want to punish excess travel, sell the gas high in between towns.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if the people are chicken shit enough to put up with the broom up their ass instead of flexing their collective muscle. Then they shouldn't complain when they push the handle a little bit deeper.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in order for a strike to have a long term impact, you'd need a proportion at least on the same order as the unemployment rate'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it's not like gas stations are making money selling gasoline you know'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Sonshi.
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'they pay a high price for it just like you do'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods koj, the gas station/repair shop in town guy was talking to me, he says he tries to break even on the gas.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's unlikely unless it really hurts for many people'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'after credit card fees, breaking even is great nowasays'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'dammit , stop being more interesting than the lecture !'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the North American Indians were without a strong middle class in so far as the Big Brother "owned" everything that the younger brothers owned -- so innovation was curtailed, and when White-man arrived, the Amer-indians were exploited massacred robbed etcetera'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods, since he told me he loses money on credit cards/gains money on cash I pay cash. he has a great little repair shop and I want to keep it in business. '
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a general strike is a peaceful war. It is the most potent war in the world. But, I do admit that it takes balls to walk out. However, as the saying goes. Better to die on one's feet than to live on one's knees.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I also go there for oil changes even though valvoline is $3 cheaper, because his repair work is top-notch.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's a good habit to pay cash when you can... it hurts more handing over wads of money than swiping a card.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I pay my limo driver in cash beacuse credit cards take 5% from him'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'just kdiding, i mean taxi drivers'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hey now, there's something to be said for (other) people who live on their knees'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i dont waste moeny on limos'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'keep your concubines out of this, Abe :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it's been fun, good night'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'several other "feudal" societies that were exploited by white Europeans were in: China, Japan -- lots of bloodshed there'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Eureka is no concubine, she's a First Wife.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of course there is going to be bloodshed, Zade. A general strike is a revolution. '
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in Eureka's house, it's the mistresses that get sloppy seconds.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos raises an eyebrow at you.
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'general strikes are often bloody...'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'not really no, Australians go on strike every other month'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'well, certain industries'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as I said, they are a revolution. The fief lords strike back at the serfs.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, industry-specific strikes are far from general strikes'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not just a strkie, Sneak. A general strike. Nobody goes to work.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in Feudal societies without a strong middle cass, there is a disincentive for the poor to do anythig innovative -- the development of science falters'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'it is being legislated against more and more hevily here - strike action that is '
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'a general strike would never realise itself in today's world'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'general strikes typically only occur in countries already halfway down the toilet, or more.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'even greece doesnt have a general strike'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'and it's already flushed down the toilet.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and tend to be accompanied shortly after with live fire'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the poor fuel the development of science?'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmmm... that reminds me... isn't greece somthing like 30% or more below pre-crisis peak gdp?'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'this is not a union thing, Tzadkiel. This is you and I deciding we've had enough and refuse to go to work until they get their act together. They can, and probably will, try to legistate against it, they will mobilize the armed forces against it. But if the workers don't back down, the other side is fucked.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'can't remember the figures sometimes...'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'they're fucked as a country'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I'm waiting for them to put land up forsale'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I doubt they'll sell any land...'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'anar, the problem is that it *must* be a union thing (not afl/cio union)'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Anaristos, you know its never goign to happen right.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it must be the very definition of a union thing'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'when you go out on a general strike you are saying if things don't get better neither you nor I will have anything.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'until, of course, someone decides that they are going to work because they need to feed their family and are uncomfortable holding up shops for food.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they'll hang their leaders before it comes to that'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Sonshi, its retarded though, I read that their unions refused to accept wage cuts which would've helped somewhat '
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'wage cuts vs impending doom. '
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sneak nods at Dispel Majic.
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, Majic. That's what the companies are counting on. That the people don't have the balls to suffer until they win.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'balls to suffer or balls to starve?'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh... they're going through that painful internal devaluation process...'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'lack of a strong middle class reduces the development of science'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I might go hungry myself, but I wouldn't starve my kids.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Anaristos, what do you suggest people survive on then'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'would be better if they could inflate instead'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nope, you get 2 of them each pop'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Sonshi, it's just decades of financial mismanagement.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'balls to stand up to that kind of extortion. '
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'real wages decrease anyway, except that external is faster and feels less painful'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I'm surprised Greece hasn't defaulted :p'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'they have technically'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they're defaulting'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's just an "orderly" default'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Yes'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'still a good chance of a disorderly one later'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'It would lead to France suffering financial damages'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in a feudal society, the poor are far less likely to innovate in Science (several reasons: lack of education, lack of reward, to prevent the parasitic rich profiting)'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I think they're exposed up to 50+bn '
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'of Greek debt'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'anyone else find it funny that xyliz is still obliviously having his own conversation with himself on a completely different topic? :D'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it would, but what else can be done?'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, sometimes you've got different personalities and you can hold a perfectly reasonable conversation.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I know Druzil has that ability!'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'wonder when was the last major general strike...'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'can you guys save this up for 15  min until class ends ? and no making fun of my MPD - at least i'm garunteed a good convo'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'unlike industry specific strikes, general strikes can (uncommonly) be nonunion'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'mpd?'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'multiple personality disorder'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ah'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you prime personality is a hamster, and your tertiary smells of elderberries!'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they can be unaffiliated with a particular workers union, they cannot be nonunion in the pure sense'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, just because unions might back them doesn't mean they're union...'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if they're "nonunion", then they're not a general strike, they're some guy not going to work'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'otherwise you could say that anything that a union voices its support for cannot be strictly nonunion...'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'union != industry/worker's union...'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'unions are called that because of what they are...'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'union bosses are just fat arses though :p'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'some general strikes are led by political parties'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'i.e. you're talking about capital U Union...'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm talking about small u union'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and some are not really even led much at all...'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no general strike has ever, or could ever, be nonunion'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well... if you put it that way, anything involving mass action isn't nonunion'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it isn't'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'government isn't nonunion. Corporations aren't nonunion. Militaries aren't nonunion???'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it doesn't work without unity'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's a very odd definition.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure, hold that definition if you want...'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, it's the core definition'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'why do you think unions are called unions?'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in a feudal society, there is less incentive for the rich to innovate (several reasons: lack of motivation since everything is handed to them, too busy being debauched, and as a minority supply very few smart scientists individuals, too few to innovate, and there may be inbreeding or support of defectives (hemophiliacs) to further decline the aristocracy)'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's as base essence as there is'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Because intersections was already taken by the highway system'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You grin evilly at him.
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, they can call themselves what they want...'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic cackles gleefully at Leinei.
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and why do YOU call them that?'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I call the democratic people's republic of korea the democratic people's republic of korea too!'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'seems you're universally acknowledging them as being unions'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, sure, they are unions'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they're supposed to be united'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'now we're getting somewhere }:>'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'just like a general strike'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if it's not, it doesn't exist or work'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there are certain implications of unity vs subordination.'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and also coordination'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'without coordination, a general strike doesn't take place'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'general strikes need not be very coordinated, beyond the agreed upon date'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, need not be coordinated...beyond being coordinated. gotcha'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, coordination occurs in many things...'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'more than date, they must be wholesale/widespread...that doesn't happen without coordination'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it can be as simple as people deciding individually that they need to support the movement on that date'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'peaceful general srikes are not a war -- unless the government becomes hostile'
T3/r6/2012-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no it can't, sonshi'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'people deciding individually that they need to support it on that date accomplishes nothing except those people being fired'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'World Wars are Hot wars -- WWIII did not happen yet'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it has to be huge and unignorable'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'these things do happen, you know, a few guys declare a protest, next thing you know the population decides to march on tahrir or wherever.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and when the bulk of the people involved aren't affiliated with the organisations that are calling for it, I doubt you can call it a union action'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'coordination is easier today than it has ever been, that doesn't make it not coordination'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'coordination works both ways'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, it gets done, or it fizzles...both ways'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'can't really call it coordination if one side isn't coordinating'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that makes zero sense'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there is only one side to an action'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'see, in a union strike, the leadership has an assurance that most of its membership will turn out, because they coordinate'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'whomever you're commiting the general strike against doesn't need to be coordinated, they can be reactionary'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they try to'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that isn't true if there's a call for it, and the bulk of the turnout is from people that aren't coordinating with those who called it'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're trying to talk about a movement as if it's a general strike'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'when that isn't the case'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'some general strikes happen when X organisation(s) call for one, and a certain number respond.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the call for it is more than a call, for it to be a general strike'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if there's no coordination, it's a movement or less'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'usually less'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, that's just your definition of a general strike, isn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'TO FART OR NOT TO FART....'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Geez, what's that smell?  Guess Dirkdiggler needs to poop.
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler lets off a real rip-roarer ... a greenish cloud envelops Dirkdiggler!
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler puts his finger in his mouth and says, "Oopsie! Did I do that?"
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'actually I'm going by the definitions you've given'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you've defined it as being something that needs coordination or it "isn't" one'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, most general strikes are called. People know it's coming. So does the army :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, I haven't'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'right , back . I think I learn more here ...'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I've stated that it simply won't happen without it, not that it isn't defined as one without it'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(Debate) Abelinc: 'if there's no coordination, it's a movement or less''
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you can get a flash mob without all that much coordination...you can get call out gay day without much coordination...you want to have a general strike such that all corporations are brought to their knees, you'd better come with some coordination...'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'semantics n poop humor already?'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it has happened before'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: '<troll> only commies strike, and they should be executed </troll>'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'i always bring the poop...'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'nod dirkdiggler'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'html troll is trolling ...'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Americans strike all the time.  Union strikes, wildcat strikes, pre-emptive strikes, retaliatory strikes, etc.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'are you guys sabotaging the discourse over nitpicked semantics - typical like republicans'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'Zing!  Hanslanda'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cain killd Abelinc gets all Feudal on Zade's ass
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sometimes we strike out in anger or vengeance or a sick need or even just because some slick salesman convinced us to.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'how did we get into striking ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ummmm....HE did it!'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'then sometimes we just strike for fun (baseball, bowling)'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'while it isn't too frequent, when the situation is bad enough, a significant proportion of the population can respond to a call for a general strike, even if few are affiliated with the relevant bodies.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Ahh lefties did it ! strike them !'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'what ever happened with the supposed 'general strike'?'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and then, just because it's the internet, sometimes we strike to get off (bondage/s&m/spanking porn)'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'were threr strike during the great depression ? or were they all too concerned about their next meal ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, mass unemployment isn't quite the same as striking }:>'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a generic "general strike" or a specific no-longer-specified "general strike" '
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'wasn't there a specific date?'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for a concrete example, the 1968 french general strike had a large turnout, much more than the unions which called it. Largely due to popular horror with police brutality, apparently.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the general strike is a myth.  It's very rare that enough people get outraged in principle about the same thing at the same time.  The US is nowhere near that level of desperation.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"sovereignists" in the USA '
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'did the "Occupy Wall Street" fizzle yet'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nah, college kids are still on the streets'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the general strike might be a myth in the US. Which explain why they are so tame there.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it basically fizzled on Day One'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'dammit , one of my tertiary personalities IS an elderberry !'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'at least it's not a dingleberry'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'vegatative state , nice n quiet ..=P'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'always look on the bright side of life!'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Occupy is a good example, when the police put pressure, they basically left. Forget Oakland, looting is not the answer to police pressure. The answer is: you do nothing.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Getting yourself intentionally arrested is a good response'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'they can't arrest everyone'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Occupy never had the people behind them'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'clog the system etc'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't minimize the danger, but the politicians know that if the resistors do nothing they have problems because any attempt to subdue them will make them look bad.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I doubt americans have the real hunger in them to do what the gandhi era indians did'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we did that 60 years ago'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'to intentionally get arrested, [nowadays] you'd [generally] be doing something arrestable...they'll take you in, process you, fine the shit outta you and release you home...they'll happily do that repeatedly to keep fining you :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'exactly, when the corporations stick the broom up the ass of the US citizens, they, instead of fighting back, they hand the corporations a jar of vaseline so they won't have to strain while pushing the broom.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'call me naieve but wouldn't the best move for the occupy dudes to do would be make their own bank ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'well attached to the occupy movement, was that 'move your money to a credit union' thing'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'tzad, no...it's like the people here who cry GQbot!'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it wasn't attached to the Occupy movement, no'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, as Camus said, the oppressed overthrows the oppressor and replaces him. So, yes, getting their own bank would work for a while until they started gauging people.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, even if you fine them, will they pay?'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they can form their own bank, but they'd still get beat by the established banks'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'it was always occupy people who told me about it'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'but since I'm not an idiot I've used a credit union my entire life'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, Soshi. That would defeat the purpose.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'all I know if we have anything to do with dropping bombs on Iran, the myans might be right about 2012 :('
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they would, yes'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US is playing a dangerous game with Iran. They are trying to pull the same scam they pulled on Hussain. It won't work twice.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the Mayans never predicted the end of the world.  They predicted the end of...the Mayan calendar.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not even that...they predicted you'd turn the page'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the stone...'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You nod at Undertaken Anaristos.
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they didn't print their calendars :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it took 14 big men to carry it from place to place :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the chinesse and indians are laughing at the US for not buying Irans oil imo , just another comparative advantage '
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The US thinks that they are going to do an Iraq on Iran and gain more  oil reserves. I think this will backfire in ways we can't really imagine yet. But lots of corpses everywhere.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'ack - I keep using 'we' on Aardwolf debate like the majority here must be US citizens- my apologies'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'even Nostradamus didn't predict the end of the world.  The quattrains everyone points to don't even exist, they're a mash-up of several of the ones he DID write.  Some even suggest they were mashed-up by his insecure son who tried unsuccessfully to win his father's favor.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we may not be the majority, but we're the only ones that matter }:>'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Some here have come from the Kuiper Belt, Freggle. They are illegal aliens.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'I just hope the US people take a good hard look at the situation and say 'No' if the government tries to send planes into another Middle Eastern Country'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You smirk.
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Iran is the 4th? largest oil producer ? add huge oil price hikes to a shakey ecomomy and you are asking for trouble . '
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'we can't take it at this juncture'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you new around here, froggle?'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we can do far more damage just ripping half our money out of the area.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'yes new'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '? power vacum ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'longtime Mudder- but new here :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we haven't been good at taking our toys and going home since monroe'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I meant new to the USA populace :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'welcome Froggle :) same here , sorta '
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'fraggle, freggle, friggle, froggle has been used. what next? Fruggle?'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Fryggle.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'I know, but didn't realize it untill I was kinda far in . . .:P'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'I couldn't pull out !'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'monroe ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'boy, I bet she was pissed :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's how I got married }:>'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'after that will come the fragggles, then the ffragggles, and so forth, inexplicably interrupted by the prequel-esque fragle types.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'He was a former Us prez, you don't rebember?'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then the doozers'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he gave us the power to meddle in your affairs'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he's the president with the policy of staying the fuck in this hemisphehre ;-)'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'fractles!'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, Monroe :) One of my favorites :) America for the Americans. He meant North, South and Central, of course. He envisioned 100 stars on the flag.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'if they havent made a movie about him i aint heard of him '
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'hehe'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You nod at Undertaken Anaristos.
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or maybe I meant monroe, Jim J Bullock's character on too close for comfort }:>'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the lovable idiot'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos falls down laughing.
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hmm ok he goes on my research list '
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'nice list!'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what is wrong with the Ron Paul platform '
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we never seriously considered candidates for 51st state after Cuba, and that was right around the Civil War.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol I keep having to play catchup with these guys :('
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'Ron Paul can't win- he has said so himself.  He is just there to talk about things others won't touch with a 10 foot pole.  Like Imperialism.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm australian , the school system was not kind to me ..'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, the civil war? that certainly wouldn't have been a 51st state...'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the US never wanted Cuba as a state, they wanted it as a possession. Right after the Civil War the talk was actually of annexation.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's his proximity to RuPaul'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'tzad: the australian education system is fubared'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'and how the US shouldn't practice it '
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but PR comes up every now & then'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'PR people are tame :) Ask any Cuban :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'LOL just look at my spelling , that got a B last year in year 12 ...'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nod, my cuz lived there a few years'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did the dingo eat your A and Bs?'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Mitt Romney: no conscience, may gut the USA so some of the rich may become richer'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that was his baby'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'he can't beat Obama so who cares?'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the lastest there is that the dingo had help !'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'dropbear!'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they finally made progress in this latest investigation?'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I knew they were in cahoots'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Rick Santorum: religious nutter, seeking to bring back medieval catholicism'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'wow , who else thinks Obama will win the election ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the voters :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'Obama sucks- I voted for him.  But there is no way I will vote for the clowncar of assholes the GOP is pushing in November.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Obama is not ideal by a long shot, but the people still remember Georgie :) The Republicans haven't lived him down yet.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'm working to get Hank the Cat to shift his campaign to the Presidency instead of the Senate.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, the american people tend to vote for "Anyone but <someone I don't like>" rather than voting for someone because it's who they like'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that's because I think they're all scumbags.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as for sucking, you tell me what president hasn't (except for maybe Clinton :))'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'put me down to help on the Hank campaign trail !'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'and after the asprin between the knees and Rush Limbaugh- I bet most women aren't voting with the 'good ol boys' this November'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Imagine The Newt as president. Talking about mass suicides in the US...'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Clinton definitely sucked.  Nipples, clits, perhaps even a big toe.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, he did do that :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and he loved to smoke them cigars.  Bet he sucked on those after they were played with.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what Limbaugh said is not the scary part, the scary part is that there are actually some people who agree with him :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at least he didn't suck in the ways that matter to the country...'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rechy Arxe: 'bet he smoked with a fire lit by a hundred dollar bill, too'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'he was an effective president, hard t say about many of the others.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'Clinton was not that great- he just happened to be sitting in the oval office when the greatest new global communication device was unleashed on the mainstream by US invention: the internets :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nope, didn't ever use his own.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'He was also lucky to be inside an economic bubble before it burst.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, ok, so by that same reasoning Obama is not that bad, since he just happened to be sitting after the biggest asshole in US politics left office.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo political leaders take WAY to much credit for stuff they have little control of '
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'and way to little credit for stuff they have full control of and fubar'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'And no, Obama is not that great, if measured by his actions. He just happens to have some of the best rhetoric we've heard from a president in a while.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, Obama is Lady Gaga with a dick.  Either he's legitimately wacko and really believes in the rhetoric he's pushing, or he's a modern-day Grant who really has no business being President and has surrounded himself with all the wrong people who are making things happen for him (and/or getting caught doing so).'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'obama n hitler , great speaches '
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'his rhetoric cant fail to shine after 8 years of GW, the "dohs" where getting boring. '
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'were*'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'GWBush ruined the economic bubble -- OBL destroyed the USA by causing GWBush to destroy the finances of the USA through wwarmongering and reckless overspending'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not everyone would agree with that assessment, Zade. Halliberton would tell you that GW was a great president, for instance :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, Enron would too :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and they'll shoot you if you disagree (didn't they rename to hide their face?)'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'i think the PMC's that get paid 4x as much as soldiers would think he did a good job as well'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'interestingly, osama was an econs major... probably knew that that was a bad time for the us to go to war, right after a recession and deep tax cuts.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'everyone that got rich off GW would tell you how great he was, the fact that they comprised about 2% of the population notwithstanding.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hey, 2% is better than 1%, rite?'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'That's like students talking about how great a teacher was because of how little homework they assigned though.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those Republicans that got rich and richer, from the carnage done by the republicans, like what the republicans did (and, secretly, what OBL did), and they want more'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so GW was helping more people than obama'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, true :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'OSB made the observation that he just had to run over to one side of the country and wave his flag , then run to the otherside and wave it and he would bankrupt the US'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'It's the lesser of two evils with Obama.  The two party system we are locked into blows.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Can we pick an acronym or just call him TDG (the dead guy) ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US is bankrupt :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the us is far from bankrupt'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'except politically'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if the other countries called in their debts the US would sink right into the cesspool :) Of course they would sink, too :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'morally ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we made it through the global downturn better than everyone else.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'nah, the us could just print dollars'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the correct statement is "we made it through the global downturn (that we caused) at the rest of the word's expense".'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol that worked for argentina ..'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there'd be a bit of havoc, but the us can pay its debts as long as it controls its money supply.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, we really did.  Our economy didn't move an inch.  Everyone else sank like rocks or they had initial gains and lost it all'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'pity about the inflation though, if that were to happen'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'no matter what happens , the woir'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US can pay its debt by cranking the printing presses, Sonshi. Might as well save the ink and just hand out rolls of toilet paper.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'if I believe the talking heads here Oz got through the GFC pretty well'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'that's right the money is still there- it's just in the banks.  They bet on the bubble going up, gave easy credit to all, bet on the bubble going down and made off with everyones cash and home equity after getting a 'free market' 700 Billion $ taxpayer bailout.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Tzad: reasonably well.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the debt's not big enough to cause hyperinflation if it had to be repaid that way...'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'But it's not like Australians have a saving culture.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not yet, anyway'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'sad but true: the American people are dumb'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'see? had the people stood firm and let the economy collapse, they would be better off now. There is a historical precedent for surviving a depression :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Japan was up at one point something like .  They lost it all.  Oz probably went about the same route, as did Britain.  Germany may have done better, but then there's the inherent losers like Greece and Ireland.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'anar, that would mean inconvenience!'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well not as much dumb as they are tame. They worship their leaders.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'typically, hyperinflation usually happens only when the govt owes debt not in its own currency, like owing debts in gold or someone else's currency.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'no matter what happens, (except for a series of hot World Wars), the world is likely to continue -- BUT, there may be of lots of suffering and bloodsahd and mayhem and horrid things happening, until the economies reset'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, I know Abe :) Sorry :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the economy doesn't need to collapse or anything. The economic problems are all easily fixable'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's only the political one that aren't'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ones'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'for us being so poor, even in crappy inner-city neighborhoods, practically household I look at has a nintendo DS, cell phones, etc...'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'quite true- the banks would have failed but you and me- do we really have over 250,000 in the bank? Cause that was insured by the FDIC.  The speculators and gamblers would have lost it all like it should have been- but they commited economic terroism- held the economy hostage- and made everyone blink first, and took it all.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the peeple wuz skeered'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'gas the sheep....'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'sad but true- i'm 88,000 underwater on my home right now- and I didn't overspend- I bought well within my means.  Thanks wall street.  :('
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I mean can you imagine living in a world with no soap operas to watch? What do you expect, the people have their priority straight. Just pay them off and get back to watching the show :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok thats my home bell , time for bicycle torture agin '
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the rich economies keep going for the rich, BUT the poor and the middle class are screwed over and over -- fun fun (if not getting screwed over and over - hence the importance of getting rich first)'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'bbl'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, unless (the editorial) you do something about it, it will continue. They know (the editorial) you will take any bf'ing they give you.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I tell you, general strike :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, and all sort of magecraft going on.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'heheh'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as long as you bow your head and accept what is happening to you, those that are doing it will continue.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'perhaps people will think twice about borrowing to buy property from now on... or for the next few years anyway.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'talkshows are cheap to produce -- how many like the stale predictable talent of Craig Ferguson on "The Late Late Show"'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'borrowing is the american way...just ask Wimpy'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'purchasing power is an awesome thing, Sonshi. You can't imagine how much power the consumer wields.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but I've seen things like people go to a restaurant that treats then like shit and they love it, they want to go back. The people need some self-respect before they can fight the oppressors.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the houses remain there no matter who owns them -- in the mean time(s), most of the USA becomes a nation of renters instead of home-owners'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'exactly, so what happens to the price of the houses if everyone decides to rent?'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or better yet, build a tent city :) ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'landlords get rich'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the banks get away with what they get away because costumers walk in with their hats in their hands and act as beggars.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if everyone rents, prices of houses will depend on how much you can get in rent for it'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'wyrm is level locked...'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'really? Since when?'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, it is, 175 :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the populace become slaves working to pay the rent, and the credit card bills, and the utility bills, and the phone/internet/tv bills, etcetera'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the solution is simple, isn't it? Don't borrow, live within your means. Let AMEX go banckrupt.'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'through the carnage, the economy continues '
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'sixty years ago, the phone/tv bill was extremely small -- these days, the phone/internet/tv bill is at least a thousand dollars a year'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Froggle: 'the banks get away with it because they run the government now.  Citizens United!  '
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'sixty years ago, the populace was slim and trim, these days there is an obesity epidemic, and recently, more and more fat actors are appearing on tvseries and movies, ruining tv -- society is degenerating'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, there's no way jackie gleason woulda been on TV or movies years ago...wait...'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Jackie Gleason is "slim" compared to Mike on "Mike and Molly"  '
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'US to offer legal justification of extrajudicial killing of american citizens'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/05/us-usa-security-americans-idUSTRE82402420120305'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(at least in the case of americans who "engage in terrorism against their home country")'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not news'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it's not specific to America'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and yes, it's wrong'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'will be interesting to see how they justify it'
T3/r6/2012-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'perhaps via the "legitimate military objective" route...'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the star wormwood in the bible = the earth, falling from heaven (the mysterious mind to the understand, space brain), worms under iceland'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'for i have seen that god perceives man as little more than a worm'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bible verse, whether or not the old was written before the new'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seriously, Salvanas sighs.
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'spiritual worms of set in the legend of the end of humanity, magic serpents that wear human skin, sort of like me looking out of my body's eyes or mind'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seriously, Salvanas: '... and here i was geting used to "normal" druzil.'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'at your faceless manifestation'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'your words on screen give you affirmation that you exist, and require my faith to understand in reverse'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the internet's a better ouija board than that thing in your closet'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how come the mirror can never look you square in the eye salvanas?  always your left is your right'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you must work for some nazi organization judging from your obsession with attacking my character instead of discussing subject matter, does donald trump sow potatoes in your ass for a living?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe you're a mustang negro from shellgeria wearing a hippo god's avatar in a crocodile egg being devoured by a mongoloid'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the turkey i just ate didn't do nothing worth dying for, but i can think of several people who did - why is it unjust to eat people and save a turkey?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'some cultures still eat people.'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'shouldn't it be legal everywhere?  sort of like allah or jesus?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as far as we know, turkeys lack sapience'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Are you volunteering to put yourself up for eating?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'think of the poor poor innocent baby carrots!'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but if you euthanize a dog , no matter if it's retarded or not, you're just doing your veterinary job like horse meat along the mexican border - they have emotions etc'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'well, as far as i ave researched, people have never complained about the taste of human flesh. one guy said it was kinda like veal'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hippopotamus crying for her gored baby'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so humans have feelings and shouldn't be eaten even if they deserve to'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we already consume products made from human parts anyways, so why not?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'but humans taste good....'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not much of an arguement there'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'humans are sapient. Or are assumed so anyway.'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just saying, some humans brutalize other people and go through life thinking they're god eating things that deserved to die less than them - themselves being eaten for supper would be a progressive cannibalism'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're just meat that thinks it's god aren't they?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cleansing the gene pool the old fashion way'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at least it thinks'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'well, if humans were raised organic, no chemicals in the diet or anything, then human meat might be worht eating'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people on welfare in america receive 10,000 dollars from the government in a year - exxon valdez receives 19.5 billion in 19 years - each inmate in california's sexual offender rehabilitation center is worth 250,000 dollars per year = 25 welfare recipients'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the us media never contrasts these realities for the voter to consider the words of the politician against'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'did Druzil reach 26 years of age yet'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'times 20,000 inmates, you got yourself a rich prison warden'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lots of people should be eaten in the us government i think'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Druzil seems to lack holistic logic (or is trolling badly)'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you're attacking my personality like a nazi again, you are a member of the stasi'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you should have your self furnaced'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'he has different values.'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Thing is, not eating people is sort of a social contract. If you start eating people, you open the door for people to eat you.'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'unfortunately, those values are somewhere in the region of what most people consider to be deranged'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'ah, like paying taxes to the government in new york city has the unwritten contract of paying taxes to the mafia so that your business doesn't burn down and you're not at the bottom of the manhattan river'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'unwritten contracts aren't very valid - i'm more for absolutes'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is anybody here able to indicate the (obvious) reasons that cannibalism is extremely bad as a society function'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it sure means you better trust your landlord and hotel owner :D'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'encephalitis?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so can you pay taxess to just the mafia and skip the government or do both rely on eachother for existance?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'well, if eating people became the norm, then someone would capitalize on that, and thus would progress a slow systematic genocide of the human race'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it happened with cows, so I don't think there'd be any different result with humans'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'whether a contract is valid in the minds of men often has little to do with whether they are written or not'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'd rather eat sherrif's than smoked turkey's'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'since it can be proven by a retard with a lego block that they're not doing their jobs'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade suggests euthanizing depraved humans that advocate cannibalism
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(no eating them, merely euthanising them)'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how many innocent turkeys does sheriff eat in a year?  sheriff's guilty turkey's not'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'due process and all that. Shouldn't go around euthanising people for having insane beliefs, until they begin to act on them'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'since sheriff's a stain on society and some bacteria eat parasites like him, eating them as a society should be a mandatory involvement in humanity's immune system'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cow's are interesting - it's written in the old testament chronicles/ikings if you skim through it - that the curse of jehovah was turning the king of babylon into a herd of cattle for 100 years, and 1 day to god is as 1000 years to man'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and if your local sheriff's in cahoots with the mafia and you didn't do anything about it, that's also your failure as a citizen. Unless you're living in the DPRK or something.'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'where sacred cows actually come from ganesha'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the mexican's who aren't heard on the media battling monsanto in mexico show that transgenic mutants can be identified by having 3 ears of corn per leaf instead of normal 1 ear per leaf'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and cows are the only animal with 3 stomaches'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe had themselves some GMO science back in the days of satan michael's'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they mutate humans today, some zit cream gave people liver cancer back in the 60's and 70's - now they don't even link their zit creams to things like that'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'economics, habituation, increased depravity, cannibalism based on the false later excuse of established economics, increased flimsy excuses justifying murder and cannibalism'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'because the mafia government isn't going to take away a profitable tax from their sheriff'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'slippery slope to depravity'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'plus they can murderize some turkey vultures while they're at it'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nip cannibalism in the bud: with extreme prejudice euthanise those that advocate cannibalism'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i wasn't murdered by the government, the surgeon general said so - i heard it on channels 4, 40 and 25'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in 2005 the us government passed double dosages of all toxic addititves to cigarettes like triple the cyanide nicotine won't kill people faster in japan'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I find advocating euthanasia for opinions just about as vile as advocating any other form of murdering people. '
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you can find a tin of tobacco from 1999 and compare it to one today - 1.3 milograms was as high as they came of nicotine'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now that's the low end of the government murderers wannsee villa'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"and if God exists, then God dislikes cannibalistic societies'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '2.3-3.3 millograms'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the god that dislikes cannibalistic societies doesn't see their king on their servant's plate, take eat this is my body which is broken for you'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'jesus god doesn't have such restrictions, kill and eat peter'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Majic, did you weep tears of sorow when seal team 6 euthanised OBL'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'please reread my sentence where I stated 'for opinions' '
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'OBL was just misunderstood'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'also, lurn2read.'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I did.  SEAL teams aren't supposed to be in the news, period.'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so i prove that the government murders people with triple dosages of cyanide, runs gold mines in argentina, malaysia, brazil, mexico that murders people's water supplies'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and you know i can probably prove alot of other things'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some opinions are so vile (cannibalism advocacy), that those opinions do not deserve any mercy'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'carbon capture projects that poison water tables and will spread because the media said they weren't the reason'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and then you'll all die'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and you'll say omg i heard it on channel 4, 40 and 25 that the surgeon general wasn't responsible'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I would classify euthanasia advocacy among those.'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and eat your smoked turkey as it eats you'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Once you cross the border into killing people because you don't like their opinions ... it's pretty hard to go back and pretty easy to go further.'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'got to be pretty dumb to drink unpurified water these days with all the pollution around, if you had the choice not to.'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'saying the word nigger is illegal if you're a white person in america, but if you listen to mtv you'll hear a black person say it 20 times per song'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the funny thing about carbon capture is that everyone wants to put them in places prone to cave-ins.  One good earthquake and we're going to be dumping almost all of it back into the atmosphere in one giant WOOOSH!.'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's freedom of speech and counter racism'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'apparently Majic is unable to discern the difference between the various forms of "euthanasia"'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if you returned it to solid form, it wouldn't go into the atmosphere...'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'No, apparently xyliz is unable to discern the idea of a slippery slope and the difference between saying something ought to be legal and acting on it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'equality yeah, sort of like in america they don't show the reason of the situation of starving black people across the ocean, while china feeds its 1.5 billion mouths and invests in america's future'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'is xyliz on a vacation or something?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'racism's just an excuse to take your minds off of what's gonna kill you'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nah, he's just playing his alts.'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's in the word nigger, when's the last slave whipper to walk america'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they run maybe playboy today, cocaine industry, mafia'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're not gone they just don't use the word nigger and import slaves on the free trade agreement across the tijuana border'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'can't make solid-state co2...way too cold to trust keeping it in a cave cracked open by The Big One.'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people worship stupidity instead of understand concepts'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the name's Zade (the Zadest)'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, NAFTA didn't quite cover slaves'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'they didn't slip that in in a sub-paragraph? :D'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '2012, there's a slavery case pending in some rich-people neighborhood.'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(if) God exists, God is okay with euthanasia -- as indicated by the book of the Apocalypse (where wicked humans are euthanised in billions)'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'all forms of selling of labour without consent was finally abolished in the us in 1927, I believe.'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that only makes it illegal, not not-happening.'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'although it may still happen in the us now, it's illegal in theory.'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the god of justice isn't the god of the bible, that's a creation of human's possibly perverting ancient religions and natural wisdom into the will of their king's tool'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and has been illegal for nearly a century'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'genghis khan made extensive use of gods as did muhammed and the king's of today, it is the will of allah to rule egypt for instance'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's the only gay concept of god any race of people on earth has today, people who believes their god hates them are the closest to being true to themselves about their ignorance whether or not they exist than any other group'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'god will serve me and give me surgars if i do the will proceeding from teh liars tongue and hands on earth'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's all as far as god ever got somebody, satan only serves the desires of humans long enough to staple their souls into his possession forever, or to lure them into his service'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do you see holy tabernacle miracles everywhere on earth today?  or is satan already convinced you're all deceived and your fear will keep you herded'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no need for talking serpents on sticks in real time - we have stupidity and mysticism instead'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'satan stapled my soul once'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it kind of reminded me of Peter Pan'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i've seen more than only innocent christ who i never seen murdered in my life, video tapes etc, news stories'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'does Eureka know about your pet names, Abe?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't see what makes who i seen killed or mutilated less valuable than some dead storybook jew character of the bible'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there were video tapes of christ getting murdered?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bunch of nazi propaganda'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'mel gibson had a delorian'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Apocalypse speaks of humans chopped into small-sized pieces (for birds of carrion to eat -- is Apocalypse approved -- since birds are different to humans) (no cannibaliusm there, only christian God-approved euthanasia)'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this little albino girl had being mutilated in common with jesus, isn't that wonderful, the messiah wasn't in the little girl though'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmmm... this is interesting...'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://www.nytimes.com/2000/03/19/business/as-prison-labor-grows-so-does-the-debate.html'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he's somewhere else, turn the other cheek now like a good christians, the problem will pass like it never has before'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'maybe slavery hasn't been completely abolished, depending on the particulars of the programs'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'british and dutch gold mines assist in the mutilation of albino children in superstitious tanzania'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when you depraved sinners are cast into the Lake of Everlasting Torments, ye be agonising for "Euthanasia" relief'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's not without consent...they consented when they committed the crimes :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they don't see it a valuable expenditure to replace their government with somebody responsible who will teach them better'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're just worthless negro's after all - see racism, purchase some gold rings for your trophy wife in america'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not racist, i see people who don't see racism in their wedding rings'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'assuming they were guilty'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'my wedding ring is racist?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'prove the supply chain of it arriving on your finger'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'count how many casualties and the investments made by your accumulative purchases'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, it seems some may have been placed in solitary or otherwise punished for reporting abusive practices'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'everybody is racist (and or a liar traitor), especially those that say they are not racist'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'racism is in the genes'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is the economy in the genes too?  i see empathy in people - it's how world vision makes people's inheritances payable to them'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'add to the fact that selective enforcement and framing is a problem in some areas, and it seems to me that those programs are a concern'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nah, racism is in the economy though, you bet'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'slave master'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'empathy - you don't want to burn in hellfire do you?  well, if you don't do the will of allah you just will, because it's said here this and that, plus we outcast people who don't worship our god'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'come share our ignorance in common, worship our fear and become the hand of the victorious god'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how much money's invested in allah in a year?  think god has much to do with money?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'money flows through the veins of all god's, like the economy through humans'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the story of bel and the dragon is the best example'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Jesus would wear a Rolex on his television show.'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they even named a internet telecommunications company after it, although they figure it's a phone company's inventor'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the false priests and their family invented the ipad with flaws to fix in mind, and daily offerings were made unto the god in antivirus software'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'after 3 years of installation flaws were revealed and the papistry was employed forever after'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's basically what all gods are, mystified mysterious whore gods'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if people seen teh false gods for what they are today and called them out on their manifestation then the world would be in constant turmoil'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the sheep wouldn't be led like sheep to teh slaughter as much'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's ultimately offensive to see conceptually, and the reality verifying the understanding'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'those human's are liars and honest people are destroyed for them'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they purchase honest people for their deception'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and that's mortality - life itself'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'verify your necrogod'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now the offense is ultimate, no time beyond now - and this is the only thing verifiable'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and they'll sit there and laugh for generations to come forever until everything on earth is dead'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'because you're all stupid cowards, en masse, 99% of humanity'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'their bravery is wielded by liars'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no i'm not coward, but you're afraid of acknowledging the real enemy'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '1.5 billion chinese people on earth - and in 4000 years there's been 2 peasants or commoners to become their leader'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's 40 of your lifetimes, but more likely 100'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'because not everybody lives to see 100, most reproduce at 20'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '40 * 5 - 200'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '200 lifetimes of generational inheritance of master slavery'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and still i don't see not god shangrila jehovah allah speaking for themselves'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's how reality is, death doesn't look so bad when that's seen'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_Hour_2 if you pause this movie around the scene where they're watching the CIA operative changing in the apartment through binocular's, you can hear a dialogue where the oil companies give the Shah of Iran a US money printing press/plate in exchange for drilling in Iran - what was the subliminal message meant to be told to the movie viewer in america?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '1958'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, since the US did do that, I don't see the problem :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's pretty weird, they should discuss that and it's applications/implications in america and today's hormuz conflicts'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what was it used in investing in?  and what were the intentions of the bargainers'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cnn misses alot of interesting history, so does history school though'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the scriptwriters dislike the USA government subsidy of oil companies'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's possible, mocking the viewers stupidity through their government's darkness is also possible though'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'everyone knows that the US put the Shah in power just for the oil rights. They also trained the SAVAK'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i guess if they didn't include that in the script nobody would have known about it though'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they do go that going for them'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bit of truth in most fictions'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and when the Shah's regime fell, the SAVAK agents moved to Orange County :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'oh that's how it got the big debt whore collections and stuff'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i heard about that on some tv show, didn't link them though'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '... and Oklahoma City.'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'geez, they got rid of the people in the caboose doing the assistant navigating for computers, instead of using both incase one messes up the correction of the conductor, and still they manage to get a 1 km long steel machine on the wrong track with their computers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcgSHintmc4&feature=g-logo&context=G23fafd8FOAAAAAAAdAA'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'too bad, it was after alberta's back in the 80's when they used only computers totally i think'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'less money than employing somebody to make sure the computer's accurate, instead of somebody trusting that 8000 signal's are accurate'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's a big mistake, hard to really explain how something like that can happen, if they're going too fast maybe they should explain what the hurry is'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but with the amount of cruise ship inaccurate GPS navigation's etc recently i think computer espionage/sabotage is possible, most of the navigation systems and networking methods are imported and foreignly observed'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one way to make sure your government puppets stay on your strings - if you don't do according to this or that an accident like what just happened can happen some more'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think like an evil person though, people are mostly evil - i notice tragedy, but i know that it continues no matter if you stop seeing new ones or if you trying and figure out the mind behind their reincarnations'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's why canada doesn't build its own helicorpters, produce it's own grain, use it's own lumber for it's own mansions, feed itself for abundance, have cheap fuel or fuel it produces for itself, and is managed from foreign nations'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'even a vehicle is partly assembled in ontario, partly in china, partly in australia from mexico, and partly from america'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all them people say if you don't do this or that or you try and build your own shit that means war'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so it's good to hate them, because that's the way they are'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'what are you guys talking about ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "that's why" was non seqniter'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'world control and how it appears to operate, if maliciously designed how a train could be on the wrong track'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what is the reason that happens in the first place, - is it random like your denial of god'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'a big question'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they keep the black plague stored in a vault in some evil person's laboratory without storying just the data for a cure if it ever comes around again, in cultures they reproduce it, they dug through mass graves to find a living sample'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's the kind of people would be controlling your train networks etc, since all your infrastructure is dependent upon it and they're the ones who can wip you all out'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a lot more researched than your sloppy affirmation of a false god'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they modified the h1n1 flu virus in europe and reported that they're stopping research on their mutant strain incase it comes into terrorrist hands'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in 2007 soldiers arriving in washington hospital from iraq were carrying a strange flu virus which escaped into the public, '
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so that tells me that h1n1 is just a modified virus invented by humans currently in control of europe'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and all them people who get sick or die from it were murdered by enemies who are never put on trial'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'because accidents can happen if the government sees them '
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it all adds up to the control structure that i assume exists'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'h1h1 was pretty rampant 35 years ago...when the vaccine for it was created'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'tell me how you would put a 1.5 kilometre long train on the wrong track with no knowledge that being your job in poland, where dissidents to the government are thrown overboard and drowned at sea in the recent past?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they don't make very many mistakes there when it comes to administration of those kind of things, so what other answers are there'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'asleep at teh wheel?  i don't think they'd risk that'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there are mistakes in the directions of your accusations'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's everybody's concern, cause if that was actually intelligently designed and they do it there and nobody publicly considers that it was intelligently designed, then they rule your land too, because your land isn't that land'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'matlock would possibly be skeptic of that'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'this land is my land'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can fill in the details if i want, but they add up to a just assumption'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'guilty until proven innocent is the best way to be on this world, where even the law is a liar'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do republicans and democrats get their presidential jobs by being honest and telling people how it is?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'course not, they need holllywood marksmannship'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bunch of cartoons'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if the ruling of your existance is done by cartoons then what does that say about your idea of reality?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not too much to me - i do hope the train was an accident and feel sorry for them people, but it's a more general concept that i'm thinking of - and there's infinite proof's created every day to support it, it's like devil worship of a unmystical variety, pessimism is the most honest state of mind on the world'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'too many "non sequiters", missing pieces of data and logic, lack of foundation, false and unjustified innuendos and aspersions -- "objection sustained" '
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'web bot was written by High and Ur which are elevation of a ancient land in the bible'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who invented the random creators of the 9/11 electronic prophet that didn't work for the CIA?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'such a random naming convention, this is a strange programming language of society'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how was the CEO of intel microchip's named after 1 of 2 female twins in the movie the shining?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'too many non sequiters for me, hard to quit with such strange realities everywhere'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'which sequence would you like to follow first, each is required to see the next, and how come they're odd'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this is the master's deck of cards'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the deranged plaintif is babbling incoherently'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'better to be thought deranged by your sick world than sane in it's missing eyes'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'oh look blind nazi government is poisoning it's water table of 80,000,000 civilians who aren't going to receive britta water filters after all is contaminated'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not see isn't nazi, no bible quips here'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'false pride stumbleth before a fall'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the only pride to have on earth is false when you see the outcome of everybody's efforts under the flag of your devil master'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'even the christianity's ultimate good is a lake of fire walk on glass earth'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nirvana is the absence of everything, the pyrrho even nothing cannot be proven to not exist'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'allah is dictatorship under witchburning king's'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and torment of the heathen infidel christian lake of fires in burning torment and harrowing fetters (feathers)'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'let's not forget the Inquisition :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sure, there's romo for all of that, bolivians aren't too fond of spanish christer history'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"poorly-uneducated fools babble incoherently where wise researchers are more cautious to venture rash opinions"'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'properly called the Holy Office'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'zade reminds me of the clown in spawn or the devil's advocate working for the tobacco company in constantine'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he's always going after the personality instead of discussing the subject matter'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like a nazi mendele would mind control mk-ultra'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you are dumb no personality retard labotomoy'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this is facts you can't see them right see i said you can't and thus it is'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's zade to me, can't focus on nothing except personal attacks'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then hide behind the imms, omg he did a personal attack but i didn't, he's too dumb to see that i did'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hypocrite, like those saducheeze and farisee's in the bible'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'difficult to discuss incoherently presented gibberish, other than to call a "an incoherent spade an incoherent spade"'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos goes ooOOooOOoo at Zade.
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the deranged defendant is babbling incoherently'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you can't keep up to my thoughts stream then maybe you should eat some chemical warfare like they fed me growing up'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'hmmm. MSG'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you require experience to empathize with people, otherwise you're blind watching disney cartoons'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'aren't you at fault by failing to glean the data no matter how presented, Zade?"'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then it's funny how people look for somebody they consider less fortunate than themselves and as a group collectively rally around not being them, themselves all being fools of their cartoon master who they vote for'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they all judge somebody a fool even when who they judge is wiser than them, and themselves get played as fools by the same people who play their fool as the fool'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's sometimes hard to see the difference - why i think one sin is as bad as the next in the bible comes from'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sometimes the group's fool sees the ones who make fools of the group that makes them their fool - i guess it's a sort of justice'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some people don't die blind while being the fool of those who do'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'at least reality's in tact yeah?  i didn't believe in false gods and things like that'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'had no faith in humanity to lead me astray'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'faith in people = they're evil, if any deviate then they're to be cautiously separated from the flock'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how's life without reality?  bunch of cartoon worshippers, eating the lies that rule your souls on earth'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i find it hard to take any criticism from anybody on the world seriously until i understand questions like that'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"subsistence without solid foundation -- bunch of insincere bible-thumpers, misquoting the lies that deludes the incoherent babbling in the rambles"'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'subsistence without solid foundation is also like where did the orca's go?  can you explain the difference of atheism and acknowledgement of ignorance?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sure maybe they're just suicide kamikazee's and atheist too, knowing what they're doing, lake of fire mysterium is their end game planet death?  mockery of the fools believing the lies instead of the world realigion?  you're a funny person zade, you should explain these realities before judging their judge'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the japanese ate the orcas ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nah , that was a 500 pound tuna fish'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the orca's got washed ashore in floods of chemical dispersant oil lubricant new zealand tankers etc'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'heimdal oil field in norway solid foundation deism of horn of ragnarok'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'shell wild horses pocahontas legend sable island oil sands carbon capture project athabasca river system'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'death death death, all kinds of death that the world performs the inescapable reality of in their habits'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i try to come to understanding of what it is they worship if not suicide'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'athabasca river system is the largest river system on the american side of the world, cool how they poison the water for tar sand extraction isn't it?  drink up the britta water filters water table maps from your municipal waste department in italy'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people can live far without water, i heard it from the world leaders'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they don't see water as a concern except in africa where their ignorant leaders can't poke holes in the ground to provide'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why donate to world vision while they turn your own land into the land you donate to?  the rich poor divide, dish out another billion dollars for a G-summit and automate some assembly tasks in chinese mexican slave labour camps for daily shipments of cocaine through walmart's border patrol's as they moved the american distribution facility from detroit to facilitate this central transaction?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's the most likely thing that's happening, of course you can't prove it in the land where the investigators are employed by it'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hong kong wasn't built in a day, that took alot of hard opium'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'British supplied hard opium'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, i don't like today's crook's, they don't deserve what they have - unlike the crooks when swords and axes were the law, then they had to not get killed to have what they got, and to trespass required putting your own neck on the line - of course religions and money are facility's by which this process can be removed from their lapdances'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'america and canada's money is decided how much is it worth in somebody who really does care over in israel and amsterdam and honduras'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how much is your mineral rights?   remember, can't live for more than a week without water, and that's what is being destroyed by your oil industry's'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'horses used to be transportation before being dog food and friday night bets'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the water was just fine and dandy until within the last decade of course, when it tastes like fart gas and dead animals litter the ground where vegitation refuses to grow -> Cenovus study finds CO2 not leaking from ground http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/cenovus-study-finds-co2-not-leaking-from-ground/article2254078/ the law of the land feels that the average iq of their citizens is low enough to lie outright to them about their own knowledge being flawed'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'check out the article, that'll be spread across the entire world, as philanthropist energy dictates your lives with the proof that this is a sufficient sustainable method they developed, thanks to the negligence of the canadian government's, entrusted with the lives of their citizens'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'which are hereby going to be destroyed'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this is just one of uncountable instances of negligence that is unforgiven'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the canadian government paid all small hog farmers to sell their operations to the government using canadian tax dollars and top dollar per pound of pork, which they can now raise at will - in exchange they install their corporate pork machine pigs which are GMO products - pretending that they are neccessary instead of the real thing, their mutations spreading into human's not considered by the blind government'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the evidence that they weren't neccessary because they purchased their 'solid framework' by obliterating independence from the corporation'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hard working politicians, always getting away with crime, and passing on the job to their offspring - true cowards'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'can soembody describe to me, zade maybe, what mensa eugenics superior mind execution protocols of superior breed of Vril humans has any place in the world where the leader's can't rule by honesty?'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'getting by in life through lies alone's a pretty shallow existance, isn't it?  a man is his words'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nobody in arabia asks their king that executes them by holy decree to prove that allah is god'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'for instance, i bet you even feel fear reading that, projecting my assassination possibly, one of their fatwa cartoonist jihad jane cases'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, he spends 500 million dollars on twitter, i don't use twitter do you?  nobody can prove god exists cause their god doesn't speak for itself, independent faith is unreasonable though'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'independence is chaos, why biker gangs can't coexist, etc, no independent thought'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if everybody has their own god understanding then the government has an enemy that they didn't invent, and that's why everybody fears schizophrenia and mental illness so much'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'king george was a lunatic by all historic accounts - he was also the one who started the war of 1812'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he also spoke in 3 languags by the age of 8'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so you're all retards is a better way to control you than think like king george'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'psychiatrists are few and far between, none make less than 250,000 dollars in a year - and they all know one another through direct or indirect methods'
T3/r6/2012-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they control the population's mind - they have faith that you don't have faith in your own mind'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the bible even has a verse stating to beware, for satan can appear as an angel of light - so here's the mysterious realm of angels and demons and the bible with the answer or else you'll burn in hell, islam adds some smokeless fire djinns too for special effects and more detailed certification, another mysterious element is here'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the reader trying to tell which metaphysical witness is a angel which is a devil which is a schizophrenia which is a ghost which is a djinn etc'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'which is just a thought'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'can you tell me the difference, no preacher's seem to be able to'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they have it written in their books that they're unable to tell who's the devil and who's the christ though, without faith - faith like the worshippers had on elijah's hill slicing up their bodies to bleed for the demon'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, as Ursula LeGuin says: Light is the left hand of Darkness :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so the devil and the christ might also be complementary.'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't doubt that some force stronger than death seems to exist for better or worse, whether they're different or not remains to be seen, maybe they're like mood swings of the same invisible reality, or maybe that reality has a master within which all bodiless manifestations exist like thoughts of eachother in their heads, free to do as they will within the non-physical realm of spirituality, possessing people as demons etc, otherwise the world government's would sit back and watch as all the water is poisoned, the future is risked on unproven man-made mutations to the soil and habitat of survival and criminals wouldn't mock the justice of people who deserve respect'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'WHO FEELS LIKE READING A PARAGRAPH>?  NOT THIS GUY *WINK'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sort of like the whole world is a lie you see, that's what the previous person became, he falls into their service'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You would be too dumb to read a paragraph anyway.'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but what i just stated is real manifestation of verifiable reality of a spiritual principle that is either good or evil or having mood swings etc'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I doubt that there is either absolute good or absolute evil.'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's no way an atheist would risk the future on his lego block's and frankenstein projects'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and there's no way 8 billion thinking individuals would let one do the thinking for them and lead them into that snare'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'OH nos! Lego Frankenstein'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the end of it's death, nature proved itself but all human mutations seem to result in death, depending how they're used'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'oh noes stretcher in a 1972 american corn blight'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'GMO seeds from texas versus the proven corn of nature'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'of course GMO wins all the time, cause there's not evil spirits in control of their minds as they watch the evidence of their own failiure'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and install their replacements'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nature can adapt, GMO can't'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'although GMO seeds communicate with non-gmo weeds which alters their immune systems, which causes nature to adapt to gmo, which they know about'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they use all that to change it all, all the side effects are intelligently callibrated, and if they know them all then what is not evil about them?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'here's your lawyers saying that GMO isn't a produce of the devil, like removing potash from under the earth and pouring it on crops that aren't fertilized naturally anymore, and there's no fertilizer under the desert except where a lake once stood'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'science tells us that the mantle is a hot place, don't want to go there, and hot air rises, and up isn't down too, plus there is water and oxygen down below with the potash, which floats on up to the roots of the plantsies'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and there's some vegetation science not explored by the industry'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Druzil, your meds seem to be taking you through a cycle of coherence and insanity. If you are reading this tomorrow, please consider seeing another doctor.'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'atheist science, they got it all figured out'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they even have children to inherit the world they have so perfectly challenged'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're gonna go far, further than the 535 million years of their bacterial culture'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they figured this out within 100 years of progress'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'toy poodles are a littler older, maybe 800 years'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'can I fart on this channel now?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'tell them to give me more meds then'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler lets off a real rip-roarer ... a greenish cloud envelops Dirkdiggler!
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler lets off a real rip-roarer ... a greenish cloud envelops Dirkdiggler!
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler lets off a real rip-roarer ... a greenish cloud envelops Dirkdiggler!
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'enjoy your farts, they'll follow you into the future that i showed you're gonna go to'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's your ingelligence, a fume in gods asshole'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'if i bothered reading it all....'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, reading's bad for you, it might make you learn something, which is against the nwo'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stretcher: 'NWO like on wrasslin'?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'was this supposed to be another aethest arguement on debate?  i zoned out'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'vince macmahon claimed to be the beast of revelation on one episode, but that wasn't the wcw'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'chris benois and the actor on the movie medium raw: night of the wolf both died of mysterious circumstances too'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'wrestling might be a murderous industry like your sense of humour too'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'I paint pictures of poop....no seriously I do'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, and south park's author's are who you want to be'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you have that in common with them'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'want to watch some 50 cent with me, we can pretend to be black together, shoot up some heroine and dance with the girlies in our stolen slimo's'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe we can be the space marines in our favourite video game and battle the evil aliens of the human race'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in the back of our limo's'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we have GPS navigation robots from korea doing the driving, discriminating which stop signs to acknowledge or not'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we're playing with our genitalia and others and having a day, eating some sushi french fries'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Stretcher admires the shape of The Imp Druzil's tinfoil hat
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's the high life, we live on the 90th floor of the world trade center'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we have a private helicopter pad on our balcony'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the order of the tinfoil hats was actually a south african world war 2 fighting unit'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they have a memoration ceremony dedicated to them once a year or something like that'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's where the cia's mind-mockery mk-ultra subliminal messenging ultrasonic ufo remote control psychiatry comes from timbuktu'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mocking intelligence is godwars'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'correction makes more sense, but everybody knows penetentiary's are anything but, and there's a prisonplanet website'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the local rapper nobody heard of went to jail to do some hard time for selling of narcotics, now he comes out an idol of his street kindredk, worshipped by all the brotherhoods selling the product in the hood'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'made a few friends in jail, thinking a head to the future and how this valuable asset will fit into their occupations'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'heay mayn i can hook ya up bra'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'let me have some of that glow'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'timbuktu is used in common american slang today even, people say it and don't explain what it is, a decrepit abandoned city in africa, but they repeat it, dummy went to timbuktu haha, what a funny dummy, they don't even know a geographical location 5000 miles away, fucking stupid nobody'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how many people flew to timbuktu to verify that they're not fucking with themselves?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'might be chopped into pieces and sacrificed to the golden idol of one of their voodoo gods if they tried, yeah?  but everything's for Sale in morocco, nobody wonders how come morocco city got the name of what they do every day with their lives'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how much do you get paid for an hour of your time at your asshole bosses office?  you're for Sale, yeah?  Sale is a place in morocco, so you're for morocco geographical location, that's a strange thing to be'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'did the big bossers at the vatican name the transferral of money in tandem or in what order of the location in africa?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'only 800 million people who use the word sale in a day 30 times each'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'invocation of a name is a form of spirituality in some circles, the being it belongs to arrives at utterance'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe you summon some ancient voodoo ritual gods every time you sell something'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mind-games my ass, they leave them unexplained when they don't have to be'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's because they work it somehow, mysteriously - like you pipe up your mouth whenever you see your bosses hypocrisy on display'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's your traitorous thing, worshipping a man made of decaying meat like yourself for some of his money coming from his hairy nipples as you murder the planet your mother spat you from'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'go ahead, doesn't mean i'm gonna, you're about the definition of homosexual i think is argued from the bible today, '
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'faggots having sex with women, sure thing, generations get more and more corrupt don't they?  you bet'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe they get it from you and your pappa sucking the hairy nipples of your master'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'your mother wasn't a man was she?  i sure hope not'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hermaphrodies do reproduce though, as long as they're natural it's fine yeah?  doesn't mean it's for Sale though, but of course all of your children are bought and sold in the world, like your suddam hussein's and charles manson's and other things like them, everything's a glamour like a witch, stupidity is your magic'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hey i know they don't know this or that, i sure have faith in their ignorance, aren't i much smarter than them for not assuming transparency of knowledge greedy person you'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'pigs, just like demons, how much more stupid can they get?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'being dead's about the only state of mind lower than this current world leaders i can fathom'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and i haven't reached there yet, but we might all some time'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's how business works, stupidity, that's what makes you rich'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you don't make something that's original , neccessary, built to last, high quality asset of humanity, you fertilize their ignorance and dependence upon you and don't share your methodology with them so they are independent'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you're like a human analogy to a metaphysical demon concept'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'spirituality's everywhere, not a dull moment in sight'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's a rare word used called homopsychology that describes this transcendental homosexuality propogating throughout the generations of decay, in the bible they're referred to as a backwards generation and insult against the faithful, which currently think that it's the other way around and they're not in the definition of what they hate'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'homosexuality has been around as long as there has been humans, the Bible is not that old :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you don't get it then, i discussed people having sex with women having offspring in the world while sucking hairy nipples of oil man destroying the water that their children will be poisoned by'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so I wouldn't regard it as the definitive text on the subject :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're murdering the 'mother earth' which is a pretty homosexual thing to do, and sucking a man's hairy nipples for his milk money'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and they think they're stupid too, they have faith in their own inability to think for themselves'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they project that into others, this is where homopsychology comes into play'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'business etc, you don't go very far by making people independent of you'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's a waaaay-out-there abstraction of reality, Druzil :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's also the most accurate depiction i can think of'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's like how the author of the picture of the demon pulling babies out of its vagina to eat had in mind'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'don't see that picture many places, but it makes sense'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what does ford automobiles figure, you can't understand how to build your own car's and require our franchise to show you how to do it correctly, but we have to have a 45% cut of your business'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'everywhere in the world their faith in your stupidity and inadequacy gives them money, which they use to buy and sell you with'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cars are designed these days deliberately so that joe bloggs can't do basic maintenance on them'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not ford, it's all of them'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and yes, it stinks'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's true - absolutely true, you need special tools to access the computer, which is destined to filter every function in a automobile'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and yes, governments collude with them to this end'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and in ultimate mockery of anybody who uses a computer, they install and contract out ford computer operating systems and microchips to install in automobiles'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'which are all accessible via GPS satellite transferral of information, '
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not much can be done, except buying/using very old vehicles'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so what some hax0r has a bad day or the government says that's the case and cuts everybody not driving a honda's brake lines one day'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the government offered big bux to hand in your dinosaur automobiles in 2007'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ours hasn't'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Heh, apparently in 2014 new cars will be required to have backup cameras in them.'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but strict road fitness tests means most old cars won't make it'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sort of like film camera's went extinct in order to save the environment the large fraction of pollution caused by the development of the film'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and cow farts are a bigger source of ozone h2s stuff than all the oil industries in the world'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Why?  FOR THE CHYYYLLLLDRRRRUN who get run over by their lame-brain idiot parents.'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so they need special flax hay that reduces the farting potential in a cows 3 stomaches'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'So, cool, I get to pay a couple hundred bucks extra when I get a new car for the sake of some dumbfuck breeder's brat.'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they cut a hole in a cows side and monitored its fart buildups in tehir studies on pollution reduction'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it won't be long before satellite tracking/speed&g monitorring will be required in all cars for the purposes of "insurance"'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'They're already starting that'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Except you plug a thing into your car's computer port'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but you know what, on the CTV news 2 years ago they had the mythbusters and several other people take a picture of themselves with their digital camera's and send them in for forensics, and they traced all of thsoe photo's to within 30 metres of origin'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It transmits the info to the insurance company, and they either give you a deal or dick you based on whether they like your driving'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's the real reason they got rid of film camera's, they just gotta know it all'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'control is the only thing they care about, you can't fix or build your own cars'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they include gps coordinates on all of your digital photographs'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Personally, it makes me want to buy only older vehicles.  I'll have to save up and get something like a sports car or a decent pickup truck.'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'get an old army jeep'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't get something flash else you'll be pulled over every 3 seconds'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Or a Humvee with a machine gun on it, then I can SHOOT PEOPLE'S KIDS in the parking lot instead of running them over.'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'supposedly there's some paint you can buy that defeats their radar's, but it's more illegal than cocaine'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the argument is academic overe here - soon only the superrich will be able to afford to drive'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'That's the idea, Tigernuts'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'They want to force everyone into public transportation'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think life was probably a higher quality back when you could ride your horse through the country and there was free gas all around'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there isn't any'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'That's why so many old junkers are on the road'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the cost of the car isn't the issue here, it's the cost of running it'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mix in some of the modern stuff and it's a alright world, but that's gonna be impossible in the future'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Nobody can afford a ridiculously overpriced new car with all those fancy bells and whistles'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'can't even confirm it ever existed, except it's in the movies'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'recent study here shows the average cost of running a car in the UK is $11,000 a year'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Oh, you're talking UK.  I'm in the US.'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now people aren't satisfied with having everything, they always need more, there's no even distribution of thing's that matter to a life, it's all hoarded by people who don't respect what they have'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Here they want to drive up the price of the car so nobody can afford one.'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cars themselves are relatively cheap'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'brand new cars from $12k'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i seen the northern lights in the sky tonight, that's pretty cool isn't it?  they lose their amazing affect after your mind gets traumatized by a few years on earth in the human world'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that The Imp Druzil person again...
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if everything was like the northern lights the world would be a pretty cool place, but instead mister burn's has to patent them and tax them to see'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts curls up next to The Imp Druzil, wrapping his tail around himself.
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what we need is a nice big meteorite to come and wipe out half the world's population'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'scary thing is, that'd only take us back to the population in 1980'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Well, hopefully it hits China and India'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately, they're not really the problem, so we also need something that targets the snobbish capitalist authotarian types'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'population wouldn't be a problem if mind-control wasn't the dictatorship of the world, and mutual understanding was the goal, the real government's ultimate agenda should be for people to govern themselves'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aye'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's not the case anywhere that i'm aware of, unless they plan on making people all android robot's controlled from a central processor'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'otherwise there's always tension and stuff that doesn't have to exist but does cause nobody put the effort into treating the problem'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK government passed a law requiring ISPs to snoop on their customers and report anyone complicit in illegal file sharing'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'UK is a regular police state now, I hear'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's approaching saudi arabia, nogs'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but dressed up in tolerance and multiculturalism'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have freedom of speech provided you don't talk about anyone or do anything'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I heard it was turning into Pakistan'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'freedom of speech should not be limited by offence caused, but by truth'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Don't you have a lot of paki's over there now?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have a lot of everyon'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'islam makes up 3% of the population'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '3% of the known population, probably 10% of the actual population'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the only problem i have with islam is how if you discuss it like you see them blaspheming christ on cartoons etc common speech even their own thoughts it's a personal self-reproach if you feel badly for whatever you say or do, but islam makes it a physical reality using it's servants bodies to enforce through homicide and other things, threats that are sentient here on earth, and for a god that doesn't speak for himself'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'So Britain is the future Derkaderkastan?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well the issue is that militant islam isn't islam'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or isn't taught correctly, revealed to the cult's participant who exactly it is, no need for a filter priest in the way like that businessman who won't share his methods'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i imagine not all people who believe in the good parts of islam, assuming there is some, are bad people though'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'islam is pretty badly degraded from the original teachings of the prophet'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I can see it now, "Durka durka Allah!" is the national motto, and a new caliph will take over the throne.'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but the other ones really fuck it up, can't live in peace without fear of being murdered or destroyed for your own thinking'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'after all, Shariah Law was not invented or penned by Mohammed'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wasn't even penned in Mohammed's time'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most people are silent don't want to fight fire with fire, but i see it as a problem that's personal, because it trespasses against my own ability to think - and again that's maybe not all islamic people, but that group that enforces their own version of the god who doesn't speak for himself's will'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a little bit like Christianity being women and gay bashers despite it only being in Victorian interpretations/rewriting of the bible that this comes from'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(prod republican candidates)'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'smelllll that hypocrisy'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so i read the bible and have a revelation that i think is correct and go and do something in the world, and maybe i wasn't correct, why can't god do things that affect the world instead of the individual nature of a individual himself, their own choice?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'religion generally has failed in the world because people have misunderstood or forgotten it's purpose'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are assuming that god had anything to do with the bible :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people who go around murdering others and saying god told them to kill etc, using god as their justice are usurping god to me, they are trespassing against the unknown and alot isn't known about even the human mind'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'god is largely irrelevant in religion'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and saying, i am the unknown, but you see that you know they're not unknown, they're a person claiming to be god incarnate, his living will'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, i see that too, i see these kind of religions mostly as ways to control people'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not at all about supernatural love of divine being'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'controlling people, or at least convincing people to follow their set of moral rules'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which you have to put into context of the knowledge of the people of the time'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or nothing like that, there's a few that lean one way or the other more extremely, but i think real god wouldn't need a human book to reveal itself to whoever it wants'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i.e, no science, therefore have to blame every good/bad thing on gods'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and i don't think his will would have to be enforced with murder and things like that when he hosts the minds that think of him in his firmament'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'peoples lives might just be games when they're not the ones being played, but i got more empathy than alot of people'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look at it another way: Are your savages going to be good and moral creatures that follow these great guidelines you (some charismatic mortal bloke) set out because a) you're a nice charismatic bloke, or b) because god will be angry if you don't'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't see my idea of ultimate justice god being much of a person to make a fool out of a mortal creation however insignificant it may appear, like a mother hippopotamus crying as it realizes it can't assist it's gored offspring'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so god invests the time to give the hippo a concept of connection to something extraneous to itself, it's offspring'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but he's too lazy to communicate without murder his message to the world from his book'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that makes me doubtful of all scriptures by default i look for what the authors are up to'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take them for what they are, wise parables and stories passed down from elders'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'even crocodile's feel sorrow when they see one of their many hatchlings get snatched by an eagle'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'reptiles with feelings, who would have thought?  '
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but god's too lazy and serpents are the devil in the lazy bible'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the devil has feelings too, he's just a mean old crocodile shaking the reeds in the wind'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the people who teach stuff like the bible shouldn't try to hide the realities they attribute to god from the minds of the participants who can consider them for themselves, and leave the threats up to the real-time judge to dish out whenever he will'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i say shouldn't but i shown that business and government is based on the opposite, and god invests time in the lives of the most insignificant of creatures on earth that neither of the former does'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the bible mentions in one of the gospel verses that we deal with principalities of darkness and spiritual wickedness in high places'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's a pretty amazing ability to be able to show several systems in the world being a form of devil-worship, if the devil is contradictory to the tears of the crocodile'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'druzil: http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/061010/lightbulb-fact.gif'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why would i go to your unknown until now url and take a look at your tooth mockery, for real, it's not something common '
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'ever had your teeth pulled out of your face?  it doesn't feel too good, but neither does having them decay out of your mouth from the water you drink and food you eat'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i guess they can't teach that in torture class, cause otherwise the soldiers can't eat'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you rescue children from poverty by donating money (the reason by which they are poor) to charity'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is why i don't donate to charity'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and is why i encourage others to do the same'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is there insufficient land in your country so that people can't grow enough food for themselves?  etc, how about the iron ore dug up from your mountains and stuff, can't melt them with the gasses you sucked from the under the earth to poison your water into your own vehicles etc'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'money's there to rescue you from direct allocation and usage of your own resources as a nation'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty standard examples of a population getting larger than it's habitat's ability to sustain it'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, that's what i think of charities too, my answer in social studies class what would you do if you had a million dollars to make a difference in the world with, i said i'd feed all them starving children on the television commercials so i don't have to watch them anymore'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but in reality all of the money sent there who knows where it actually ends up'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'militant islamic groups and corrupt government officials, generally'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the average charity worker in canada 'earns' over 125,000 dollars in a year, which is twice as much as somebody working for a living'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't it give you a warm feeling that all your donation money buys russian AK47's for militant groups to shoot farmers and rape children in Africa?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, the harper government doubled all donations made to somalia during their famine with tax payer dollars'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so if some canadian entity was to donate 80 billion dollars to somalia, the canadian tax payer would pay 80 G-summit's to equal this great charitable work'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the cbc news , paid 4 billion canadian tax payer dollars in a year, never considered these possibilities and the safeguards and assurances against their actual manifestation in the world to set the minds of the citizens at ease and stuff'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just suckin on the guilt and empathy, the good intentions without acknowledging the negatives that are present everywhere in a day'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they could provide a paper trail that is verifiable by independent honest sources who don't know eachother but report the same thing etc, then they wouldn't have the problems like these'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but because they're most likely corrupt they don't'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing will change, people are typically too stupid to live. We need the British Empire back - that'll show them'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, enough to make a maggot puke, ashamed of eating the death provided by such a feeble human liar like that, can't even be honest about charity'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'somebody who can sit back and watch children starve to death while he sits on a mountain of grain and substance is the kind of person people's thoughts of the devil are build upon'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he has so much to eat that he couldn't eat it in a billion lifetimes'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think having enough is enough, if i had more than that i would be ashamed of myself'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i expect the same in otehrs but it's surprising how few people actually share that basic understanding'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if there's a war to be fought somewhere it would be being fought, they wouldn't be not addressing the issues that result in fat bastards starving children to death, those would be their main concern'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'world vision hasn't raised an alarm in africa for it's 50 years of charitable services'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's a pretty advanced place, grows alot of grain for china and stuff like that, putting an honest government in place there is against the interests of the entire world'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so what does donating money to them do?  anything better?  your government seems to think one's ok but the other's not'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how come there wasn't no war on terror during the cease fire from 1991-2000?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hey starving people and stuff, fat bastards getting fatter and children being sacrificed to voodoo witchcraft idol's of american gold mines'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'something war on terror here , imagine of some of those oppressed children got out and took out their anger on america'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'fuck that, i guess we better use force and bloodshed instead of honesty'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the crime level among african and asian immigrants here is staggeringly high'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people don't know how to win war's without use of force, and what's the main crime is a politicians job is to fight wars with words and common sense'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you think the first chief of the human tribe was an asshole who wasn't destroyed by the 80 other cavemen who could crush him with stones?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how come ever since the forgotten history of equality always assholes are in charge?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only victors write the history'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it is like karma i guess, they're onto something there, but the one who sets the sides that offend eachother in motion is the one supposed to be combatting their mutual ignorances resulting in the death-tolls of the future'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'life if you were raised in germany in 1938 you wouldn't be too fond of the russian's, but if you was russian you wouldn' want to be on stalin's shit list'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'american's well, betty boop, '
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'In 1938 Germany and Russia were tight'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'life is somebody who is a slave does something they were raised to do, without seeing the error of their way's and nature of their transgression, then that person isn't as guilty as if he were his own master and knowledgeable of his crimes while he did them of his own accord'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so you can multiply that problem to the population of planet earth and some of them know, but other's don't'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the one's who don't might choose otherwise if they seen otherwise in comparison to the only thing they know about a certain characteristic'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'ignorance is what the government is for, they do the thinking and reasoning for people - but as a consequence these seemingly real problems that aren't temporary exist'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i seen video claiming to be from north korea and the people actually worship their leader like he was christ or somebody like that'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they give up their own dignity for a chance to grovel in the dust of his feet'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and he's a man like them, inheriting his position over them and their lives, making the decisions of who lives and dies, what prices are to be paid'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they could have done that all themselves, but he keeps them safe from america and all them other bad guys'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and he might not be all wrong, because these countries don't seem to be too pure in their own inventions'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'each has it's flaws i guess, they don't want to solve their problems of government and leave the problems of nature as the main source of strife in the world though'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like a rich man might not survive to the next generation because he has no real skills or assets to provide towards the whole entity of which he is a part, he could be usurped by a begger with a brain'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Geez, what's that smell?  Guess Dirkdiggler needs to poop.
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '^^ rich man's servant that knows what he is'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so a rich man's worthlessness is the reason why the world is oppressed'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'fear of failure'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but he knows he's a failure anyways because he can't picture life without money'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that world is a place where he might fail'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'money's as old as the old testament in the king james bible, written right there in deuteronomy, after hating the golden calf'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the rich man shall purchase his way out of the execution of god's 10 commandment punishments when he murders or rapes his slaves'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'only the gravest of sins shall be brought before moses the advisor, all other ones are to be distributed among local corrupt officials'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some kind of god the world invents and lets ferment who can be bought and sold with money'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe jesus sees a different god than that one, huh?  throwing the money changers tables in the temple etc, inclining that way, but he also meets with elijah and moses '
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bah, gibbering bad advice suggestions in badly stated nonsense ramblings - diarhoea of the mouth '
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we can give you pills for that, Zade'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how about explain the non-human psychology's that inspired the bible, zeus'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or is it just like i say, something that hides attitudes like yours from explaining themselves, in service of the sacred master, like the dust are the clouds of his feet'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'don't you execute holocausts and pol pot's on the basis of MENSA Eugenics philosophy?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'rich man's money versus mensa's superior intellects, lets make the world dumb and we'll be rich forever'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'careful not to fall fowl of Godwins Rule, Druzil'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'foul*'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'over time we won't have to try to think so hard - the average decline in intellect in the world'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sure, khmer rouge less of a reality than the nazi's?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's the theory's they operate on?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is a reality that there is more knowledge in the world, but less wisdom'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how about how many american citizens were called retarded and murdered in laboratory's in the 19th and 20th century'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they were sane alot of the time too, if asked (which was rare) they were retarded'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i watched old films advertising the world fair with signs up setting the hatred of mental defects into patron's minds'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'fear of the mind is one of america's oldest allies'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the salem witch trials were orchestrated by a british immigrant who was schooled in harvard'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Deadgirl: 'aliens'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gregor: 'no u'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you can turn on superchannel today and watch the killing room or something else showing how civilian's are taken by the government and made to murder eachother to prove their loyalty to the program and only a few make it'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mk-ultra project'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'attempting "false reverse psychology by spreading poison (bad advice, bad rhetoric)" is an act of (attempted) poisoning -- and attempting to spread (and thus support) that which is supposedly criticised '
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'attempting to judge me like you're doing instead of my opinion on subject matter which is controversial and independently thought of regardless is exemplification of the psychology of every dictator on earth'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and that stink too, like a vampire, you might be related to dracula'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'norwegian anyways'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'right?  from that area, you got that i'm god attitude about you'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'here judging your personality of my subject, instead of the subject matter that murders a few billion people'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you seem to tripping balls again. why not take your meds?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'here's some problems and you focus on somebody considering them instead of their manifestation'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why not join those pickled foetus's in the museum in amsterdam?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'alot of them might have been better people than you'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'mayhap'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's called a monologue, isn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's called paranoid schizophrenia'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, it's not'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'dagnir is the embodiment of a h.r giger drawing'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he'll have to have an imagination to see which one'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's philosphising'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'philosphising with the volume turned up, most people do it inwardly'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you say you are criticising the evils-of-the-rich, but the phrasing of your words may be viewed as a how-to-do-evils-by-the-rich'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'being a xenomorph would be pretty sweet. running around in ducts and killing people like it's no-ones business'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oh, and having acid for blood'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'showing the exposed introverted visions driving the rich on earth for discussion and perfection to defy their nature can be both a how-to manual and a how-to-detect and identify manual'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if everybody had that ability in common then they wouldn't be getting away with as much as they do, or else everybody would practice evil openly'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Deadgirl: 'goodness, it is a word salad AI bot trying to appear human'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i like extreme's , i'm an extremist like that, a world bullshitting itself and knowing they're full of shit doesn't seem natural to me'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i have more respect for myself and reality than that'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'somethings trespassed against can't be forgivven'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most people are like murder victims who don't realize their killer's yet'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's how they appear to me anyways, because the evidence is there'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it even says so in the bible: The road to hell is paved with good intentions'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hell was probably here long before the bible'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe if the bible includes a teaching by which you can reach it then it's a ticket to hell itself, which was already here'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the world's my hell'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the bible doesn't say that, nuts'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course it doesn't'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't see any spiritual reality beyond a white light that's worse than the world'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, one of them will'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'being vacuumed into outerspace obliterated by emptiness etc'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all conceptual destructions, with a lingering awareness that they're only thought's, even after they occur'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and they haven't yet, like dagnirs baal berith spiritual apocalypse paranoid schizophrenia, how the participants in the devil's game go insane iwth fear'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the fear is composed of the thoughts i'm discussing, which don't affect me'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'deadgirl has a point. maybe druzil is a failed attempt of building a true artificial intelligence which went mad when it became truly sentient?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'explains how he's on debate when i go to sleep and still here when i wake up'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but there's proof in the world of the manifestation of the devil - and at least in the use of human stupidity in controlling the masses, instead of discussing that and what it's nature is , which is the reality under which all real natures exist'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'he's also pretty good in gqs and leveling... maybe even too good'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they decide to take their mind off the problem of problems, and focus instead on the god of gods, which is their own master like the korean's master'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sucking up some dusty footprints, you're not different than them, you're just brainwashed under a different platform'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'he also talks about humans like he's not one of them'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, i talk about platform abstracts, that's a vain crime and glory of the devil'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this is how platforms of world dictatorship are underlyed conceptually'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and these are the hundreds of millions of people who are led by them ddaily'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so, tell us, are you human?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lets focus instead on the end of all problems in the strait of hormuz'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'jesus christ is there incarnate, making sure that the petrol reaches americans shores'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'who programmed you?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and only which tax sheriffs they choose may take from the proceedings'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i programmed myself, it's a understudy of mine to be my own father'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so, naturally evolved ai then? at least we don't have problems with singularity yet'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't usurp people's ignorance concept of god (to me) when they said their daily prayers though, they might see a god that i don't see'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'course they do cause i'm not them'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Geez, what's that smell?  Guess Dirkdiggler needs to poop.
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, don't bring up the grandfather paradox because it doesn't exist :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'reality can appear to be a single thing when looked at from one horrifying angle'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'blast your interior exterior dividor into pieces with the mind having seen such a horror'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'reality can't be viewed, it's a property of the medium.'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'reality as one, no two ways about it, just a big singular blob of nothing, who's purpose is defined by ignorance'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'leaving the body behind, nothing more to life but restraining the mind from absorption into the universe'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is there a spiritual body?  heavenwalkers'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it all makes sense now. i knew you couldn't be human'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm human i'm just more dead than most people seem to be, in my own tortured way, and this is my lunacy of choice'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'my ven diagram is hilarious'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Deadgirl: 'oh the emo angst'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's right, the government trespassed against my soul and existance and blamed it on god, therefore i have to be at war with the world forever'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the legion of demons and me worship a more justice god than your set'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'before i ever committed a crime the government put growth hormones into my milk'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this could have resulted in any number of future defects'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'god's fear is invalidated here by any retaliatory action taken by citizens upon their ignorance maters'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't fear nothing, not in the face of everything there is in life to fear, i stood there and didn't fear a thing, i already seen all there is to fear'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the concept is there, the government murdered me, and blamed it on my concept of creator and justice'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's enough to drive anybody to war as soon as they understand it'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's the restraints?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'getting a better vantage point to destroy them from maybe, but i think most just don't see the eternal criminals they pay taxes to'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and just how long is eternity, and how long are they?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they'll tell you they are god and they live forever'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nothing'll ever change'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'well, this picture just changed by this fraction'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't see what makes them ominipresent'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or i do and they can be consumed by it too'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i still remember when i was 6 years old moved from the countryside with chickens and hay and dust and mould and all kinds of allergen's around to fort macmurray alberta with smog and fighter jets and those kind of un-natural contagions, suffocating to death from the shit they put into the air, and why couldn't i have remained on the farm and done work for a living instead of following my mother around?  this is how the stasi works - that's who you probably work for, and is the only human explaination for the knowledge of the people i met in the future'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's the government giving me some taste for cancer and fucking with my head with their stasi nazi organization's'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're a countryside person like me. You won't be able to convince townies of anything'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'trust me'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a reason why many of the rich and famous ultimately end up returning to agrarian roots'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you know what the stasi is though and what i'm talking about?  they were the nazi's replacements in germany, and their duty in life was to destroy the lives of german civilians selectively'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they had over 113 kilometres of files on their victims when dismantled in 1991'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not personally aware of it, no'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, it's on aljazeera's people and power page'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they got a documentary on their evil organization'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm forgiving enough to believe that the government and corportations destroy worlds and society out of misguided beliefs and misunderstanding and greed rather than design'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they still have meetings at wannsee villa in germany, where they say on bbc news website that the nazi's planned the holocaust'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they didn't burn down such a abhorrent place, really?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'isn't that remarkable, valuable history treasury - how many things do you see defiled because they are seen as symbols of hatred?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is there any symbol of hatred taught in the world today greater than nazi holocaust?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no, but there it is, burn down another church and explain that one'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, common human stupidity's are the easy way out'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'even if that's the case because i'm skeptic instead of atheist i look for their intelligent guide that knows the outcome of using those tendencies as they're headed'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hardcore satanic cultists of an arcane variety sometimes posing as christ jehovahs and whatever else there is, etc are all out there too though'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'because those things go through peoples heads then they're a factor - and not talking about them doesn't make them unreal, even if their reality is a misguided benefactor of their actions'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps they will start putting birth control drugs in these wells they dig for Africans :-)'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'well, i think the african government shouldn't have had a hard time digging it's own well'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and their populations shouldn't look to the people across the ocean for assistance while their master denies them'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's certainly plenty of wealth there'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's negative in several ways, and good in maybe one of sympathy and a few people who are saved from death and dehydration/starvation as a result'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it doesn't solve the overlying problem of the people who oversee the uncountable amounts of people who weren't assisted by this charity'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that all had to be fixed from within'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'otherwise they just drag down the rest of the world with them'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only need look at the financial mess and the lack of action on it that the west is in to realise that the people that others accept as "experts" aren't'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and if the rest of the world wanted them to have water etc, and seen that there's a leader who denies them the petty change to provide the source of holes in the ground, redirected river puddles manmade-raincatchers etc'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then they wouldn't have said ok charities, beg to the bleeding hearts of the civilians to send money to those trusty bankers in that man's land'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and purchase the stuff to send through his border to give to the people'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they'd just replace that leader and his servants with a leader and servants desiring to make things better for their citizens, '
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as it's written in the bible 'the least in the temple of heaven is greater than john the baptist''
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the master shall be as the slave etc'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people were tribal in africa back in the day and moved with the weather, so if there was drought, they'd move away from it'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'both shall serve existance itself, a living god, not some poser or dead book character'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, there's a bit of a story i read about the importance of the king of the kongo in african culture, didn't make a whole lot of sense to me but i guess they have their history, and every culture wants to have their own independent chieftan to guide them'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'small cultures work better'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's true, like families'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the bigger the system, the less representative it is'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as long as families communicate with one another and form a community, which communicates with other communities etc'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's difficult to find a series of people who have no human mutual basic values about their lives in common'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't have that any more, we have individuals, and we have government'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and then the lawyers that justify the denial and distribution among them'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so if the world was organized on communication and mutual assurances like that then it would be a less volatile place'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people who defied those basic human rights would be weeded out everywhere they rose - people would be schooled in the art of detecting their methods and how 'the rise of evil' ever rose to power in the first place, how to defend their minds against the deceiver'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who can say, but i know that the move from extended families to fractured families where the kids move out asap and women having kids out of wedlock and then move out on their own has destroyed society'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but such a thing was glorified here in the last 60 years'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the government keeps that all secretive in the current world, they only teach some basic philosophy throughout the 12 grades, and then most of it is biased instead of impersonal'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'to go to university costs lots of money - and that's not available to lots of people'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you go to hindu and sikh cultures where extended families stay together, you find much more cohesive socieities'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, probably alot of it is using murderous soldier's libido to the advantage of a mean architect'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like i was discussing an instance of the government funding organized criminals and hunting down not themselves for the source of the crime, but those who they led into the fold'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not convinced the world's gonna solve it's problems ever, that's disturbing to comprehend - when the problems aren't natural'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you think we're headed for a dystopic future?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i guess though baby birds will open up their yaps for a second worm and butt their nestlings out of the way for a chance at twice what was theirs'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but mother bird's supposed to be the government or family metaphor in the society allegory which watches for the lying babies and corrects their deadly flaws'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you eat two worms you'll get fat and your brother will die'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'seems like a basic correction mother would teach her chicks doesn't it? '
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'american bald eagles, i guess that means nothing more than a woman with her legs spread'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the beautiful alaskan country side the bird too , but those are natural'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you know in brazil there's this bird called the harpy eagle, and instead of using lumber from a place they're allowed to harvest it, they'll cut down 500 year old trees that these endangered species nest int'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and then what do they do, build some mansions and some pizza boxes'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and they get some money, which is typically made of trees'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one more dead species to add to the hitlist i guess, checked off job of death, which is a human pretending to worship the evolution theory'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'diversity of species in the 575 million year old earth biosphere'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's proven and what man can deflect'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'well, birds feed crops sometimes they shit a seed , without birds maybe some types of plants wouldn't have existed'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'man knows better though, he's just god alright incarnate trespasser devil bastard'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't see them as being just all greedy human stupidity because they provide such theories and then do the negation'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they have among themselves people who direct them to destroy life'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is your pizza box actually unable to be made from hemp or some other fabric, and requires the destruction of 500 year old trees that endangered harpy eagles nest in?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's about the utmost faith in human stupidity to believe there's not more going on than the simple'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah man, i wanted some pizza but it had to be in a box so i made the world's ecosystem extinct and charged it to my visa'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'right at this moment is a guy who's making pizza boxes out of 500 year old trees sitting down on his 20 million dollar sofa and eating like a pig while little children try to find a boat to snag onto to sell some things they found in the forest'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but doing business with them is reasonable, it provides a basis by which children can have food and stuff like that, because they haven't already done it'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is there a more fertile place in the entire world than the amazon rainforest and a population more self-sustainable than theirs?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they don't even freeze to death if they're out without clothes on like they would in canada, they do have to watch out for vampire bats though'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lots of negative phenomenon, but they could have clearings in the woods where they provide for themselves'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they do'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'of course humans will make a problem where there wasn't already one'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seriously, Salvanas: 'Oh wow. Someone actually responded.'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in place of anaconda's and vampire bats will be baseball bat's and politicians'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'pay your taxes'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'my taxes are too high.'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no?  get off my land, this cleared jungle is fenced off by me and i can verify what's in every corner'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i prefer nature to human's, should be more of a mixture, they live in basically paradise there and there's people who risk their lives to sell some stuff to speeding boats on the river for money to purchase things from the store'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seriously, Salvanas: 'You know, Druzil, no insult intended, but I tend to tune out your monologues... but it would make it slightly easier to read if you please STOP ABUSING THOSE APOSTROPHES.'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'instead of building them themselves and trading this for that, you want some banana so there's work for everybody, everybody has to do less work, the stress levels goes down and only the external jealousy of nation's at their freedom is the problem'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'We have established that Druzil uses the extra apos'trophes to indicate which preceding letters form his actual message.'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now few people do work and getting a job is a competitive market, for what's not imported and sold out'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So if you see hello's, you add an o. Eventually the Final Days will be predicted by this anagram.'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'have to work yourself to death to make ends meat, and those around you can't even find your opportunity'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but they're living on shangrila paradise potential territories, can walk around with their balls hanging out and not freeze to death'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and instead of doing all them things themselves and focusing on their n ational community they're more concerned with making pizza boxes out of endangered species nesting territory'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and there's gold down there under dem trees'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they pan for that all over the amazon'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some more wedding rings yeah, wonderful stuff gold is, so few people have it that so many's death is understandable'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'well , explain gold to me and justify it'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then i won't mention it again'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you're a good judge of characters like mine, you should know all the answers to the problem'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seriously, Salvanas: 'Just for curiosity's sake... who exactly are you talking to, Druzil?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is seeing that there's a problem the only problem?  i'm just jealous'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just to myself and whoever reads it, if i claimed to know everybody who does that i'd be lying to myself'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'haven't you noticed they put video camera's into your playstation 3 to enhance the gaming experience?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who's watching you now?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'did you know that macromedia flash player had a setting on by default which allowed remote websites to look through your web camera, and that wasn't changed until i mentinoed it to nobody in particular?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's pretty cool isn't it?  i wonder howt he hackers missed that, if they were independent hackers'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the american privacy act is just like a stanza in shakespear'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Privacy laws are considered in the context of an individual's privacy rights or reasonable expectation of privacy.'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yep, i was really expecting while masturbating to my laptop pornography colelction that the flash video player was recording my strokes for the government'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privacy_law'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's your definition of reasonable'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how much money did adope or macromedia pay to the people they broke the rights of'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'none eh, people aren't supposed to be thinking for themselves, their monitor's are the government which watches for things like adobe, which went unnoticed for over a decade'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'too bad citizens are required to point out problems before they're fixed, those government people sure live in big houses don't they?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and they get there by doing their job, which is protecting your reasonable doubt'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bunch of crooks like that don't deserve respect, you respect people like atilla the hun because he opposed the roman empire and won'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he was a badass and didn't hide behind a wig and fake moustache'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he did his job and he didn't pretend that his job was other than it was for his employees'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the government?  lots of changes of roman emperors took place in the early years there, so they learned how to hide themselves from the minds of people better, their omnipotence as they built the actual fortresses around themselves'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this is how technology is used today'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'same shit different pile, the same architect'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they were assholes though, that's why people like atilla the hun - even if he was a bit of an asshole himself, rome didn't produce it's own food or anything, they enslaved other's and took their labour and ate it'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and taxed them too, for what they didn't produce'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he said fuck you i aint growing your food for nothing and paying you taxes for what i did to serve you'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what did i get in return here?  nothing huh'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'well that's fine, i'll explain that to my savage barbarbarian population'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we'll go bam bam on your ass'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's how i see it anyways'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think the word hundred was named after the hun empire too, render unto caesar what belongs unto him - - hun dread dollar bills'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'ar is a acronym for the aryan race'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'aryan dolls'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sex toys i guess, what else can we conspire through their sorcery'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'real living voodoo stuff, haha, can make a religion out of it too'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and it's possible, that's the fucked up part'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'because i visited hundreds of thousands of webpages on websites with all kind of formatting information and no others cause the crashes that that one does'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'In a speech at the Northwestern School of Law in Chicago, he said use of lethal force would be governed by the laws of war, but sometimes the government had to act quickly, making it impractical to seek permission from a court. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17265915 yep, killing's better that communication, what's the problems?  that's unreasonable, how did they get so rich to travel abroad without your masterful detection?  isn't everybody making over 100,000 dollars a year on your bankroll?  how much is a trip to israel or egypt, maybe 5,000 bucks, hefty change for a 7-11 employee'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'laws of war, like the red cross non-militant assistance vessal carrying munitions cartidges during world war 1'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people don't understand that people with rules like these under their control result in people like adolf hitler'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'instead they think hitler's a thing of the past and people have evolved'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'stephen harper signed a deal here -> http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20111207/harper-obama-border-deal-washington-111207/ but this happened in 2007 already, they don't need no proof, they give american's now liscence to murder canadians without trial or evidence to their actions'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't like that canadian , he trespasses on my cenova energy contracts, he is a terrorist'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, that's the shit they're made of'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then the american cia military stuff think's they're all god'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'terror suspects but they host dual citizens, and consider corporations owned by mid-eastern princes citizens of the usa, which employ them and invest in their local politics and law schools which go on to lead their country, with their bottomless bank accounts now funded by the tax payers'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whimsical Willmek: 'Do you have the Can this onion ring get more fans than Stephen Harper, on Facebook?  Well, if you have Facebook, good times right there I say :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no, but it seems like un-neccessary 'contracts' to me, canadians could govern themselves just fine if the government didn't make them all dependent upon itself'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how much iron ore is in the canadian shield and uranium in uranium city?  how much does it take to fuel a submarine that is as large as the white house?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how difficult is it for canada to defend it's own borders with known science and technology and their own minerals without the assistance of the us murdercult?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'of course the usa is against such independence'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'instead of canadian independence they like to focus on the future of eternal dependency upon the wise guidance of the usa who is so pure in their own borders to their own people that they can project their insecurities onto this country'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it says in the bible, and the USA called itself a christian country until the god particle was rumoured to exist, that before you can see clearly to remove the mote from thy brothers eye, remove the beam from thy own - that means before your country can see what is wrong and bejustified in assisting the solution you profess, you have to clean up your own country and situation among your own people'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have you gone to bed yet, Druzil?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're not very satisfied there, with 1% owning 35% of wealth, 13% owning 52% of wealth and the remaining 86% of the population of america owning 13% of private wealth'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they can sure buy and sell eachother without the boundaries of the minority, they're a democratic government of fairness'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'otherwise it's trespassing against another country and any retaliatory action is justified by your own'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'which is where the use of force comes in handy, which they're not using'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if bill gates was actually a terrorist, would the media he owns or the computer operating systems he owns shares in all computer companies report that?  would the government be able to transmit the information from one department to another, being on their payroll themselves?  of course not'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'terror suspects doesn't work out, because not everybody is guilty until proven innocent'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and some people are too valuable to be judged'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or the queen of england, maybe lord falconer or the german christians, putin himself - obama, bush, any of them, maybe the CEO of exxon, intel?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what if any of them had a hand in things, would they be judged or discovered?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'course not, that's because the law only works for the rich, and who they think is a terrorist'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you have way too high an opinion of the government's ability to keep things secret :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you're robin hood you're a terrorist to friar tuck'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'america hosts national geographic channel, which goes to 250 miles west of a village where they chop little children up into pieces and boil them in crock's over an open fire and throw shells bathed in chicken blood onto the flames to expel evil spirits from the witch children, and then they dump the broth and the meat at the base of a tree and pray to the village spirit that no more demons come from their own population'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now if you seen something like that on cnn compared to the other things they pay attention to, and the relative primitive nature of either side, they choose the fight that poses more of a threat'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they don't see a village of savages that they enjoy their safari's in the land of and how relatively easy it would be to provide a sanctuary'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they were to instead invest in remedying those crimes against humanity, which are dubbed 'cultural heath peculiarities' then they would develop over time a generation of supporters to their presence which are on the side of the world as the people who oppose them'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're not very good at selfless social engineering are they?  always for a evil purpose only'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DYa8PNxuhDS8&sa=U&ei=t8JXT82kAYGxiQK7tPDYCw&ved=0CBAQtwIwAA&usg=AFQjCNGfV4PLhMd5qx9ZK5GwbUCh7G07KQ check it out, i'm not making it up'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'benin is the place'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they react to resistance of their presence, and will, with human rights only being used as an excuse to drive the masses sympathy to their purposes of control - very demonic'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's the only thing america does'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they don't care nothing about fairness, that's a peculiarity of some of their citizens who have no actual control beyond the will of the government'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Benin is a member of the United Nations -> political, racial, or religious persecution and other inhumane acts reach the threshold of crimes against humanity only if they are part of a widespread or systematic practice. Isolated inhumane acts of this nature may constitute grave infringements of human rights, or depending on the circumstances, war crimes, but may fall short of falling into the category of crimes under discussion."'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the wonderful agriculture provides a useful alternative to justice in the united nations'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i guess if somebody like america tried to stop boiling children in hansel and gretels candy pot's then the united nations would be forced to respond with force'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is that the reason why they ignore it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'The cost of lethal injection drugs used in the US to kill criminals on death row has risen dramatically over the past year. The increase comes as their manufacturers move to prevent them being used in executions. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17210285 this is amazing - the american government with it's top harvard universities and things like this can't produce it's own lethal injection syrum's, instead importing it from europe'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's hard about chemistry of murdering people?   doing it? '
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why even bother making an issue out of it without explaining the shit, some people don't like abortion death penalty's and others think it's alright, but that doesn't explain why their chemistry schools and teach american citizens how to develop formulas to murder people with'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'saving the executing tax-payer some money'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shouldn't really be killing folks'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: '=h 5'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i still figure people should have the ability and verifiability (power over) their taxes, to sign a deal with the government on their tax returns which states how their money is to be used, in general'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'say i want to fund health care, which excludes mercy killings and abortion'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'can you verify this much money of mind was spent on that exactly, and how many people chose similar actions and can you provide receipts for all of their money that verifies it's spending'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i find it odd the US of A imports lethal injection drugs, but whatever'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Imp Druzil agrees!
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'being born in the usa shouldn't make you accessory to murder by the state'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you think murdering a possible murderer or something is murder and wrong'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you drink water you pay taxes to the city, basically everything is taxes, and that's what they use to murder people with'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'killing people is wrong, period'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even murderers can contribute'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'harvest blood + plasma off them'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'my grandpa figures they should be sent into the front lines in foreign conflicts, but that would have to be watched closely'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wars these days don't have front lines'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they like to kill right?  well, there's a bunch of people there that supposedly do too'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whimsical Willmek: 'I guess what I think is most illogical is how much money is spent keeping people in prisons.'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on the crime'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for violent criminals and rapists, probably the best place for em'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fraudsters? probably not'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Whimsical Willmek is agreeing with that Tigernuts person again...
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'to a reasonable degree i can see keeping people alive and stuff, actual rehabilitation being an option a good thing for a nation who expects its own children sometimes makes mistakes - millionairres kids go to jail sometimes and the say mister lawyer of money who knows the court justice can you bail us out?  instead of knowing that their kid is going to a place where rehabilitation is the issue that they want to address'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most jails that i seen or been to all are violent evil places with no sanctuary not even behind a locked door'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the money spent to keep people in prisons is a sick game... corporations run the prisons and have been caught paying off judges to give blacks harsher sentences'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you learn more about crime in jail than you do getting there'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'locking people up just helps make some rich asshole CEO even richer'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how much does it cost to teach people not to do crimes?  is there enough alternatives to crime ?  how many jobs do they export in a year or automate, options taken away from reforming criminals and people who later turn to crime?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, ceo's make me sick - there's always the they're not all the same thing but, the CEO of air canada 'earns' 1300 years of military service in a single year of people defending his fortune'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how big of a divide is that?  these people put their necks and lives on the line and this guy 'earns' 1300 of their lives in a year'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the whole airplane travel industry was started by ex-ww1 soldiers'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they took people on joyrides and stuff, you can still find video's of them crashing old planes into barn's and walking away'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's how greedy people who defended their freedom was, or was it somebody else that took their independent joyrides and made all the drivers pay them taxes?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a dollar back then was a day's wage pretty much'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '47 million in a year, that's 128,767.8 years of work in a year'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and this intellectual patent stuff, i own knowledge, it is my fortune - knowledge is nothing itself, it's the abstract of a materialization - there's people who hand out liscences to panasonic and sony to use their thoughts that abstracts of a reality, which can be arrived at by anybody on earth's head without their assistance, and build some materializations of their intellectual product'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can see a particular materialization being patented, this is my lego blocks i build them in my factory, you can't take them and say you built them in yours , but you can still build your own lego's'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'since god doesn't have much of a definition on earth, i'll assume that's like a god then, some non-physical concept where homage is paid'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'channel weather: the Druzil drizzle continues,  dark cloudy prognostications, with a slight chance of something worth noting'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts THWAPS Zade for being a moron.
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'One of the best known is Intellectual Ventures, which has a library of more than 35,000 patents. Set up by a former Microsoft executive, Nathan Myhrvold, it recently revealed it has earned over $2 billion through licensing its portfolio to others since 2000.  Like the phone makers it is willing to take legal action to protect its assets. '
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15433188'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'venture force like canadian zellers going out of business and replaced with target walmart'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then there's microsoft offering 40 billion to purchase yahoo, the denial by it's founder, it's loss of 20 billion dollars of value in 3 years, and the replacement of it's founder with a banker who was more in the interests of microsoft'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they get it for maybe 20 now, or free if that's their banker'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but it's just a webpage with some applications on it that any 16 year old could learn how to program'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Yahoo email interface is extremely tedious and slow and annoying -- painful to visit Yahoo -- so of course Yahoo is losing value'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'I always had a hard time understanding how Yahoo made money...'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <3 DJ Matty: 'I always assumed it was because they were an early search engine.'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that was an opinion from three years go -- never visted Yahoo since,  i deliberately avoid Yahoo to avoid the tedious wading through of pages upon pages of forum interfaces merely to read, tediously find out other user info, then return to reread, then delete mail -- likely three years of crap forum mail waiting there'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a tedious interface/syntax is able to kill the pleasure of visiting a website -- but they likely believe that the more interfaces the more advertisements displayed, except visitors stop visiting to avoid the annoying interfaces (that supply too little information in each page, requiring endless back forth flipping through pages and of course more advertisements)'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some websites are extremely intense in numerous endlessly-loading small advertisements -- i avoid those websites like they were plagued'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some (movie-information websites, (imdb)) supply a titbit of extra information on each page, requiring wading through dozens of pages to get "some" information (and they are displaying any noticeable ads, so the likely intent is to obfuscate and diddle the visitor)'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some (movie-information websites, (imdb)) supply a titbit of extra information on each page, requiring wading through dozens of pages to get "some" information (and they are not displaying any noticeable ads, so the likely intent is to obfuscate and diddle the visitor)'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, i'm not convinced the people who run these software thing's and wires/radars/sattelites etc all deserve what money they get, otherwise i wouldn't question it'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's no reason the government couldn't have installed the fiber optic wires themselves and not charged their citizens anything but their taxes for their use for instance'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but if you google for (movie) information, those annoying websites are right there high on the google list waiting for victims'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like if satellite money grubbers was earning their money on a evan playing field, then how come a canadian scientist is said to have been assassinated in beligium in the year 1991 for conspiring to build a gun on the side of a iraq mountain to shoot satellites into orbit?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so there's satellites, iraq's a country, what's the problem they got to kill the scientist?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i heard that on some show about diving sea wrecks on discovery channel'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the government is "of the rich, by the rich, for the rich, to the rich)"'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'according to some ceos bureaucrats and politicians, if you are not "rich", you are not "people"'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's obvious yeah, just insects in their ant farm or something similar'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i read some article or watched a documentary on how the pampered lifestyles of tyrants sheltered their minds from the reality of their actions, which is the only justification i can see for their actions, they're ignorant'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Mitt Romney, dropping all those "friends with extremely rich guys" hints in his speeches'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i heard he wasw worth 250+ million or something'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'donald trump seemed convninced he would be president if he wanted too, how can you know something like that in a nation of people who vote based no their own judgement?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'back when i seen him on the news i mean, he was investigating obama's birth certificate, i don't trust obama, that's just how i am, i don't trust harper or any world leader at all'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but i can understand where they'd want to investigate these things for a non-political motivation, but i think his was more politically assembled'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"what does Mitt Romney call Nascar race-car drivers:  chauffeurs!"   (heard in a talkshow monologue)'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like they say the place where obama was senator was actually exposed selling the senate seat to the highest bidder'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i read that on the news in the last year or two'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's questionable, justifiable to be skeptic of your leader's, they're well-off and highly connected in a very detrimental society'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"detrimental" is the wrong word there -- the rich are very satisfied with society - no "detrimental" there at all'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, the ant farm way of seeing things, i do that sometimes but i switch back to reality others, this versus that - i agree with some of christianity, is it more profitable that one should die and many should live?  the rich man refused to leave his fortune behind and follow jesus'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'of course, the many here again are the people who are rich, so using the bible as an allegory can work their way too'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the case of the speluncean explorers www.nullapoena.de/stud/explorers.htm'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they didn't kill one of them but bided their time and waited to see which of them was going to croak first, until that occurred and then continued to consume their dead, then it would have been like evolution theory in law, because they didn't kill anybody'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and each had the same amount of resourcefulness to go on, there wasn't no homicidal tendencies conducted by any of the participants'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they drive them to starvation etc then they're doing a homicide though, that's pretty true i guess, but this is going on the basis that all 5 of them were equal's doing some exploring, and that's not the basis of the world we live in'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automation how about these spelunkers?  they invent the caves all the others elect to eat eachother in, and make more and more sacrifices neccessary as time goes on'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in 1947 you could still be an independent shoemaker and pay the rent on your house'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all you had to do was use some glue do some stitching and that's your job, with your hands'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the luddite's were real prophets of the modern age'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddites'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"the rich man refused to leave fortune behind and follow jesus", because that fraud jesus was giving out extremely bad financial advice -- financially ruinous advice that was inconsistent with the parable of the "talents"'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i found that parable odd. it said the best way to make your master money is to fleece others'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, render unto caesar what belongs unto caesar is another saying in the bible, which is money'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'doing the work of god is doing hands on work that produces substance for yourself, money's seen as an abomination by jesus in the gospel'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Ohm, was that from the Mitt Romney mormon bible'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'hmmm well there is a parable of talents in the KJV one, also. not sure what contributions the Mormons made'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's my thinking on it anyways, money's like a false idol filter'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i get that from jesus overturning the moneychangers tables in the temple of god and things like that, kicking them out'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'yeah, he did that, three days later, he wound up dead'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lots more people wound up dead for worshipping the other type of god'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'during the numerous readings of the NT bible, never encountered that "make your master money, fleece others" text'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'still done today isn't it?  how many homicides are done for money today?  instead of killing yourself a chicken and eating it, feeding etc, doing hunting or farming, something sentient that provides for your  community?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'money makes destroying your community the most valuable asset you can acheive'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'no, the parable of the talents. one servant buried money in the ground and was scolded or punished for it'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bbc reports on the suicide rate in south korea being 40 per day, in that little parcel of land relatively, and they say this spiked extremely after money replaced cultural values in their society'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's an example, one of innumerable, but it's like the spelunkers forcing one of themselves to kill themselves or starve to death'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and it is in one of the ant farmers cages'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that SK news may be misinterpreted ambiguously '
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gregor: 'shadokil are on the news?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'SK == South Korea (in this debate context)'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gregor: 'gah, I'm a silly kid'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I wonder how many real people have Facebook accounts, what with so many businesses and institutions making access to said accounts a prerequisite for opportunity (for employment, for enrollment, for being able to play on the school team, etc).  Do people really celebrate the lack of privacy, or are they smarter than the snoops and maintaining two accounts?'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Armer: 'Good luck with them on that, I haven't touched mine since I signed up, except to beat up little children in backyard monsters :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'many states are offering up legislation banning the practice'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'OH NO YOU DIN'T!'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"offering up" is ambiguous in intent'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'corruption flourishes in the USA as a result of deliberate illiteracy by USAmericans'
T3/r6/2012-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not if you are observed picking up the soap...'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'Which armrest is your's at the cinema?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i usually sit in the isle cause there's more legroom'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'im just curious cause i always seem to go left and then someone always awkwardly shares it with me'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CrakPuppet Kongol: 'never a good situation'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah i was just being stupid, i haven't been to the theatre in over 4 years'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i went alone too so i had both to myself'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'left is probably good though, use the right for drinking the soda or digging through popcorn :o'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you figure whether your left or right handed has something to do with which armrest you choose?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if the sit next to me has a hot chick, that's the side with my armrest...'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'seat*'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whimsical Willmek: 'apparently, if you're the boss, you just take up both armrests.  Or so says yahoo answers.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you find out what the devil wants you to do , do the opposite - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiUEdt40pUQ -0- you think that's about the extent of it, or maybe the devil was more crafty than the other beasts of the field?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, i don't thing generalizations really work very well here, doing right is good though - nothing wrong there, i watched a disgusting video before that one, whether or not the author had good intentions'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'If a woman sits next to me and wants to rub elbows who I am to complain (assuming she doesn't scare the daylights out of me)?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'actually right is a direction, i'd say that doing what you feel is what you should do and is probably good to do (usually i can tell what's good or bad at least) then to do that is the better way of living than following direction that isn't felt'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'scandinavian drilling 9 miles down hearing tormented people they say on the video, i'd be interested in hearing that for myself if it's real'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i doubt it though, usually real unexplainable phenomenon never make the news, and i did read alot of cases of demonic posession and stuff from a russian tabloid like newspaper'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the definitive source :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Imp Druzil shrugs helplessly.
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some lies are too strange to not have some root in reality, i'll consider just about anything'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'drilling is a scary thing, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Peigneur - hit a potash vein, then there's 1-2 lakes in russia that disappeared overnight i read about on maybe bbc'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe it wasn't a single night and there was some witnesses and stuff how it happened, or it didn't happen at all - but i read about it - the former they have video footage of'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I've also seen videos of sasquatch, not very convincing...'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sasquatch look pretty phony to me too, but that lake and their story investigations of government agencies and display on history television and the news makes it more likely'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a guy wearing a costume'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'different than the footage of the lake dissappearing'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the problem with the new technology we have is that I am not willing to believe anything I can't testify to...'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and they keep on drilling those holes everywhere'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and that's disturbing'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're moving into the arctic sea now where nobody would ever notice a problem like a disappearing lake'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'isn't that dangerous like a black hole in the movie they live?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what if there was a hollow chasm the size of 2 mount everests that they poked a hole into, and there wasn't no pressure to keep the water from going into it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, one of these days a jet or magma will pour out :) That would certainly ruin one's day :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that would cause a big swirl wouldn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, sure, and all that water pressure and violation of the equilibrium's the world's systems naturally evolved into could be irrevocable extinction of at least us'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all kinds of unseen destructions but they see them, so are they religions?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's a real question to me, they talk about aliens on CNN instead'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's obvious that the people in charge of this world don't want it to become the garden of paradise that they might pretend to want to go to in church etc'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why would they be let into heaven, to cut it down and excavate the gold underneath?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'which direction was the golden rivers'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'somehow I don't believe that heaven is that solid :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the sky looks fairly solid to me, even though it's transient'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or a thing through which we move'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's nothing'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the Hobble telescope has sort of ruled out that heaven is in that direction :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the bible refers to the sky as the heavens in places, in others the mind, contextual it seems to be'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whimsical Willmek: 'The hobbits have a telescope?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, sure, in Spanish you can only tell the difference between sky and heaven by context. Still it's all rather metaphorical.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then there's some perfectly carved new jerusalem seemingly mentioned in revelation, no flaws allowed it almost seems - but god's creation doesn't seem to be perfectly within the realm of mathematics and stuff, flaws and deviances are allowed, like no two things are the same'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that doesn't explain how come humans don't turn this world into the place they want it to be though, and why they never remove the issues that prevent that from being a choice'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do they think god'll punish them for trying to not destroy the world and live in harmony with eachothers ability to exist with a common peace?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'doubtful :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'of course that's like spit to them, they'd never consider being equal with another '
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hey sure sell votes by praying to jesus in the local electorate though'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, personally, I consider myself first among equals :>>>'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or other deity, depending who the majority population is empathizing with'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'we need more than just equality, for slaves are equal in their bondage'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Terra Nova" was and is a extremely bad premise for a almost-scifi tvseries -- (the sooner that "Terra Nova" tvseries is cancelled the better)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Terranova is the Spanish name for Newfoundland :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'No it's not?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Bring back Babylon 5!'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes it iss'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'is*'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'bring back bonanza'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, grandpa :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'I've got the pilot of B5 waiting to be watched, actually..'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they could bring back the ghost of Bonanza since they are all dead :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I thought B5 rocked :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'well, better it stay that way then some hollywood hack ruining a memory'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'true :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'big mistake giving michael bay transformers'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the biggest mistake was firing Magan Fox :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'she was close to the primary reason I watched the movies :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'with all due respect to you, my enlightnened debater, i boldly declare giving michael bay a job was the first mistake'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'Look what happened to BSG when those assholes decided to remake it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i heard they are remaking Akira with attention whore Justin Timberlake'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, you can never get back the original.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'I thought that already happened?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'can't stand the man.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Amidoinit Ryke is agreeing with that Undertaken Anaristos person again...
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'so sad.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the reason the ST movies succeeded is that they kept the original cast.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'wrath of khan was the best'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'exactly, it really stuck to the episode :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'plus a great performance by the actor, rest in peace, who played khan'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Ricardo Moltanban'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'yeah, forgot his name. '
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'also from the original episode'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'another wise choice'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how do they make their money?  when somebody watches their channel while their program is running, does the television service provider give them a fraction of your pay to them, or is it a straight up price that they pay to provide the other's programming?  doesn't really matter if anybody watches it or not?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i thought commercials paid a great deal of the cost for a network'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they're making their money i mean, getting a flat fee from the directv or something, to provide your channel, does it really matter what you play on it?  '
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, that's how it works. The cable provider pays your subscription.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'Uh..'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Imp Druzil nods.
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the subscription cost is not much, but when you consider how many millions subscribe...'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can pay for your own if you own an earth station :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'those are neat, you can actually see the entire tv band and watch them set up the money shots :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the tv cameras each send a stream you see what each is looking at.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, i'm skeptic about the entertainment business, when i grew up there seemed to be more show's produced locally and independently of one another - now it seems most all show's are aired everywhere from the mid east to the mid west'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's still a few local shows around, but not nearly as many - and most that exist are reality oriented instead of like stories or fictional stories'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like news etc, not much else'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'reality shows are scripted...'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i figure different places have their own interests is what i mean, find different fictions interesting and could entertain themselves for cheaper'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'Reality is scripted.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it does seem like it's centralized or trying to be'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'you would think people getting paid to be drunken attention whores could make something up interesting. clearly, nto the case.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's probably fun making them shows up in the proper contexts, kids don't get paid to play house for instance - entertainment and money just don't add up to a real equation to me'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sure i like to watch tv shows and stuff, but it's mysterious how much they cost and stuff like that'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'well, cops isn't scripted. doesn't need to be'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'cable and especially satellite tv providers were *pirating* the signals from the aerial tv stations, so the satellite-tv was raking in billions and the aerial tv-stations were heading to bankruptcy'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'They just let camera crews wander into potentially life-threatening situations? Totally makes sense.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'well, it makes dollars if it doesn't make sense'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Imp Druzil agrees!
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'as a result of the dip in profits at aerial tv stations, the new tv shows are substandard these days'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i don't watch to much TV... i thought something was wrong when the commercials were better put together than the shows'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'commercials some of them are very weird - i did notice a section on sciencedaily.com that deals in market science, and some of the experiments they orchestrate are very weird'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they do it on people and monitor them like bugs, their habits and whether or not they're convinced, they tweak the program structure, they add a few tweaks'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'probably because we are so used to commercials they have to find new ways to get us to buy shit we don't need'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I don't know if they do or not, but it is not too far-fetched to imagine tv sets being two-way :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'some people claim it is. not sure whether to believe them or not'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the technology does exist, whether is being applied, that's another matter.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'quite right.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the satellite-tv stations like to charge subscribers for the service and pirate the aerial-tv-signals for next-to-free, leaving the aerial-tv-stations the burden of paying for tvshows to be produced and continued'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'as a result, tvshows are extremely bad these days'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'chances are they'd have to be pretty adept to slip it past the awareness of a million nerds, i think there'd be some mention of it somewhere from some nerd who thought there was something wrong with his video games playing him'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'could be. Halo showed what good AI can do'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so, cheap talkshows proliferate, lots of cheap "reality" shows, whatever is cheap, that is what is funded'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i notice alot more mindlessness in modern television than maybe 15-20 years ago'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'a lot more.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's stupid, and they make the notion of stupidity funny - '
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'tv was funny before all that though'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'well, with a dumbed down populace, you need dumbed down entertainment. '
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'cheap: AFV, The Voice, American Idol, Bachelorette, following the lives of yucky almost celebrities, faux news shows, faux newstalk shows, ..'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the dragon's den too, not everybody has a business degree'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that one comes from japan from the wikipedia entry'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'more change of audience. TV doesn't reach certain segments of the population quite as much anymore'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrion: 'What're some of the smart shows on US TV? Are there any? O.o'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how it's made shows how assembly lines and stuff operate, but i think that's canadian government - and it really gives an overview and unbiased view of a real subject'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I doubt many in my department watch tv these days. Hardly anyone talks about it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't like it cause it seems to lack personality - it doesn't make the viewer neccessarily stupid though'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's a few alright shows, my grandma likes to watch one on wedding's, it's sort of vanity i guess and seems to intrude on their privacy, but they agree to it'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then there's some they follow around a family of 20 kids and monitor their daily living, and get millions of viewers - movie stars but it's just normal life - people watching other people live'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that kind of stuff probably wouldn't have made television in the past, it's too much like the notion of a carnival freak show'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'probably the last real thinking TV series was the Twilight Zone, the originals in black and white'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tv is so bad that the highlight of each evening is The Daily Show (comedic political news), Late late show with Craig Ferfguson (and his jokes are lame), Late show with Jay Leno (requires to diet more), and maybe: The Colbert Report (narcissist), Conan (bleh) - as a background to paying Aard'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'likely because the budget is greater, the Jay Leno team writes better jokes than the Craig Ferguson team'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the x-files kind of made the government look like the bad guy, but they put alot of thought into their series'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'well, the government usually is the bad guy. all progress in history has been made from people standing up to government'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and yeah, that show had thought to it'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that one guy from the daily show called john stewart, he always makes me chuckle because he points out corruption in corporations and the government and looks athe camera like he's pretending to be stupid and do you really expect him to believe this?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'druzil have you gone to sleep since I saw you chatting it up on here last night?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he doesn't seem to want the viewer to be mindless, i like that about him'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'funny thing, many americans do believe it. he is part of the segment of america that does no'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'not*'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i have met people who claim to be republicans or democrats, and have no real reason why'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, that is strange how it works, people belonging to a group they don't belong to the theory of'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'people like to be labaled, meaning not required :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'to belong to a theory you have to believe it to be correct and have a firm understanding of it'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ohm nods at Undertaken Anaristos.
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'people are republicans for the same reason they like the Heat or the Lakers :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i have no idea what to say to people like that.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they want to be part of some team.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'can't even begin to bring up issues, because i knwo they have no idea what i am talking about'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'they can't even name their deocrat or republican senators...'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no need to, all they need to know is that their father (mother) was republican(democrat). God enough reason to be one.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Jon Stewart never pretends to be stupid'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrion: 'It's easier to ruin your opponent's respect than to build respect for yourself. Consequently, all presidential debates are giant muckraking contests. Also consequently, no matter who wins, the voters will probably be unhappy. jmo.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Jon Stewart pretends to be startled or astonished or flabbergasted, but not stupid'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Imp Druzil agrees!
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'his way of putting a question i meant in his expression is comical'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he doesn't accuse them but shares his opinion without stating the obvious'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, i never understood how personality attacks convince voters to vote for the person on the offensive, it's kind of evil isn't it?  looking at all somebody elses flaws instead of lookin at the job you want to do and showing how it's made possible for the understanding of the voter?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'having 500 million watchers that you live up to your word is more secure than having 1 or 2'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'people not smart enough to talk about the issues have to have some reason to vote for someone'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i learned that people learn in different ways at their own pace, somebody might be slow to pick up a certain subject but be better at it than anybody else once mastered'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'that is quite true.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'speed shouldn't be an issue when it comes to decisions of government, unless you're in the middle of a war'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but that always seems to be abused in history'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'well, money making is opportunity. when opportunity strikes, you must respond quickly. war is a quick way of stealing things that aren't yours'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, money stuff, i have a hard time conceptualizing how money precedes government'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one is a tool of the other'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'some asshole decided the best way to get rich was to extort his fellow man- taxes for his *benefical protection*'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if all governments work on the basis of financial opportunity then, and money is the root of all evil - then where can good exist?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i hear that saying my whole life, either it's like the people who belong to a group but not a theory or else they know what they're saying'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i have no real idea'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's where imagination is handy i guess, garden of eden new jerusalem'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not saying those aren't real, just asserting that thinking outside the box is similar'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'because this world doesn't seem very much like heaven for most'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the garden of eden is older than the Jewish religion so it predates the bible.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'it is probably pre-babylonian'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's actually a place in yemen called edan, i wonder if that's around where that was'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in the original garden, Adam first was married to Lilith, whom he divorced because she was a bit forceful. He then married Eve :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'a bit forceful. i think you mean she wanted to be on top during intercourse and this was a problem for Adam.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'at least that, yes :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the Egyptians, and therefore the Jews, were greatly influenced by the Assyrians (who conquered Egypt).'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'from the Assyrians comes the concept of the trinity, which in Egypt was Osiris, Isis, Horus.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'so that is where it came from'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i knew the egyptians had it first. along with the resurection idea'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, the idea of trinity is very old. The Hidus had/have them. Brahma, Siva and Vishnu '
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I bet the reason is that a triumvirate is very stable. '
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'wonder why three, not two or four.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's the minimum number that generates a majority :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'never thought of it like that...'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'an even number can result in a tie.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then there's maya yeah?  the female part, there's a character called nu that was the soul of the egyptian pantheon (including ra)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'on the sacredtexts interpretations i read anyways'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, duality in the gods is estimated to be around 40K years old.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the Wicca had the Goddess who each day gave birth to the God. He died every evening.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'at one time religion was the province of the female :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i seem to recall reading a female deity being in existance long before a male deity'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'absolutely. Man first worshiped the miracle of birth and therefore saw woman as the conduit to divinity.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and women appeared to have had more equal rights with a female deity'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'based on what i read. '
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'women ruled. Matriarchy, matrimony. The language gives us clues. '
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'which civilization was the first to have a male deity? the sumerians?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'hard to say, I am not sure what caused the transfer of power.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'probably money ;)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'to me, Sumarian mythology smacks of Irish mythology. Though its likely that it is the other way around. Though many mythologies are essentially the same. Viking, Irish, Germanic.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Odin vs Wotan'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'marduk v. tiamat'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, though that doesn't have the Nordic flavor :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'it got distilled.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos goes, "Heh."
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'take the biblic flood, it certainly comes from the Hindu religion, imo.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'some say Chaldean, although the hindu one is right there along with it'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am not sure that the Chaldeans predate the Hindu, they very well could, though.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i think they took it from the Hindus, but it could be the other way around.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the Greeks were aware of the Chaldeans so that makes them young, in my opinion.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'Greeks were also the first to realize the morning star and evening star were the same planet- venus.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the Greeks didn't involve themselves with the Hindu until after the rise of the HRE.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a true goddess :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'but an odd planet'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the entire solar system is full of oddities. An oddball system.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'also true.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Venus could have been "terraformed" by someone.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the babylonians realised that the two were the same long before the greeks, if I'm not wrong'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'oh. i think that is correct, actually... i was wrong.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I would agree with that, the Greek didn't actually start thinking until about 2500 years ago.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'thinking without relying on the gods :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and the babylonians figured out the system of time we still use today'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the Babylonians were serious students.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I would have loved to see how they operated in base 60 :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'clearly. figured a day was 24 periods, then broke it down by sixty twice'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'didn't the sumerians also use base 60'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, we aren't entirely sure if they were even the first... plenty of ancient civilisations that didn't leave much written work behind, for various reasons'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, but to them there were only 10 seconds in a minute and 10 minutes in an hour :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so many destroyed in wars...'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'ah...'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The burning of the Library of Alexandria stands as one of humanity's worse tragedies.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'just imagine all the history that was lost there'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eastern civilisation had an even worse tragedy'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'all the knowledge, period.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'civilizations we will never know about.... gone'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'burning of books, and hunting down of scholars... that didn't agree with the guy in charge at the time'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'that continues to this day'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'has happened many times in history. The only way to keep the population abased is by keeping them ignorant.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and america is a nice example of this'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'luckily, once there were multiple countries that shared info, such a thing is unlikely to happen'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'unless all of them go crazy at the same time...'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the Library was open to all...'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the Mayans were destroyed by the Spanish, that was another blow to humanity.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and at this time, it is pretty much impossible to remove completely any particular work. Unless it's so worthless that no one's interested, I suppose.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the spanish destroyed many south american civilizations'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'the Maya were pretty much gone by the time the Spanish got there'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, not much is known about the history of south america, even now...'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and they stole the innocence of the Islands :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the spanish caught them at a really bad time'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'legend has it they took lots of gold and hid it from the spaniards in underground caverns and what not'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm amazed that egypt and peru don't demand to have their execrated burial's returned to their resting places'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no power'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i see the body of a peruvian mummy that was sold in britain in 1880 for a little bit of money and they're tryign to figure out it's history'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's right, no power.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'what gets me is, the ancient mummies who tested positive for cocaine'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even china has to bide its time to demand its looted stuff back'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it just seems wrong to me, why do they need to store dead bodies in museum's?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a museum is basically a circus.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'once looted, it's hard to recover, unless you have big enough guns.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'figuring out it's history is maybe ok as long as it's returned where it came from eventually'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you pretty much have to pay through your nose to ransom it back'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'had they had those they wouldn't have been looted to begin with.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah i guess, i'm also amazed that recently in egypt, aside from all of the conflicts happening there, they uncovered the grave with a sarcophagus marked bastet'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'which is a pretty famous name in egyptian literature'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, china certainly wasn't a fraction of its strength when it was looted. Who's to say that egypt won't be strong enough to defend itself in the future?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'are they gonna put it back, how are tehy immune to all of the uprisings and problems goin on there?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the instability is in the cities, not in the countryside.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'here is a good question... Who owns Jesus' tomb?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and where is it...'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'first you have to figure out where it is, yes.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am willing to bet that someone knows'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i think some people say they know where it is. naturally, this is up for much debate'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, it wasn't a secret burial'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm willing to bet someone claims to have jesuses pubes'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'amazing that they manage to transmit all that "knowledge", but forget to tell their successors where the tomb is.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the Jews didn't embalm, there would be nothing left :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'there's nothing left because he became a zombie'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'It is probable that the Templars found his tomb. Which would explain how they became so powerful.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you should talk to druzil about that'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'pieces of the true cross! Five florins apiece! Pieces of the true croooooss!'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, but there were a lot of true crosses. Crucifixion was a very common thing.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the legend of the spear of destiney on history tv they say it has a splinter from the cross or something wrapped around it's handle'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'here, I've got a piece of the shroud too. Only 7 florins, just for you, today!'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'either that or the spearhead itself, i'm doubtful whether or not that object had any real say in the problems that happened'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wll, the shroud is another subject altogether. Whatever it is, is not a fake.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the spear is 12 florins, if you buy now!'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am not saying that it holds the image of Jesus, which might be wishful thinking.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the object is exceptional, nevertheless.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'anaristos, you want to buy a toast with jesus on it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't eat bread :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'jesus doesn't mind'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i think i also have the nails used on his cross lying around somewhere'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i've become very powerful because of that, but you can buy them as well'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i got a hard time mocking jesus or the situations, because i don't know them, i only know what i think i know which was read or considered, and for all i know they could have been the enemy of the people who preach him today slanderously and immortalized through their hatred of his teachings'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the wrong way kind of thing, most people who hate somebody they never met get their understanding of them from those who profess to act in his manner'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sort of like mummy's on display, except with a non-physical part of the person'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'don't really know who that mummy was, unless necromancy or something lets you know, do you?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how you look at something you never seen can change drastically from moment to moment, when i try and fill in the character jesus with my thoughts the crimes i seen in life come to mind in the world he saved etc, i attribute things to him and blame him and all that stuff together trying to figure out who he really is what is his living will?  i read it in a book but people existed before words - that's the kind of mindset that i think that people sometimes develop regarding a belief system'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'stressful'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'forgetting what was never really there to begin with'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i imagine if i ever actually meet jesus i won't deny his existance or hate him without purpose - and would listen to what he has to say'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is little doubt that the historical Jesus existed. I am not a fan of Iosephus but there is no reason to deny that there is truth in his histories.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ditto for Paul.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Paul never met Jesus but he existed at a time where there were people who had.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is lots of doubt that the historical Jesus existed'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't agree.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so what, you are wrong'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I could be, but I have taken the time to examine the literature.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'christian supplied literature is suspect'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The Jesus that ensued from the edicts of the Council of Nicaea is ficticious, but that is because their attempt was to deify a man.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Jusus Christ was "deified" long before the council of Nicea'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the king james bible includes a verses where jesus includes a verse saying 'is it not written that 'ye are gods'?''
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"is it NOT written"'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then some priests around jesus claim that they aren't born of women, is he talking to spirits in these sections?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but our father who art in heaven, that's not a test tube no explaination'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'as though the author of the Jesus words was .. equivocating'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not really, Zade. In fact, that was the problem. People treated Jesus as a man, the literature that was available didn't treat him as a god. Much literature was edited anew and many texts were declared apocryphal.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the 4 gospels became official after editing.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is credible evidence that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Shagger is British :) Didn't you see "The Spy who Shagged Me"?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the literature also seems to indicate Paul was the leader of the deification of Jesus. The followers of Peter never contemplated such idea.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Peter knew Jesus, Paul didn't. Besides, Paul was a Roman the idea of godhood was something he was used to :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The Roman Emperor was a god, so having Jesus (a political leader) deified seemed natural to him.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Previously, Mr Tong suggested constructing man-made islands resembling oil rigs for people to live on. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17295862 that movie waterworld seems ominous with things like this going on'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Dutch scientists predict a rise in sea levels of up to 110cm (43 inches) by the year 2100.  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6405359.stm  "We are trying to develop new types of more sustainable buildings which have no adverse impacts on the environment," says Chris Zevenbergen of Dura Vermeer, the company which developed the floating houses. '
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that means those 5 metre high atoll's will have about a foot of breathing room by then'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'The setting of the film is the distant future. Although no exact date was given in the film itself, it has been suggested that it takes place in 2500.[1] The polar ice caps have completely melted, and the sea level has risen many hundreds of meters, covering virtually all the land. The film illustrates this with an unusual variation on the Universal logo, which begins with the usual image of Earth, but shows the planet's water levels gradually rising and the polar ice caps melting until virtually all the land is submerged. The plot of the film centers on an otherwise nameless antihero, "The Mariner", a drifter who sails the Earth in his trimaran. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterworld'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they might actually be accurate if the news isn't lying and those things're happening'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'those tend to be natural events, Druzil. Antartica once was green.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not to say, though, that humans may not be speeding up the Ice Age :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when Antarctica was supposedly green, how far from the rotational pole was Antarctica  (continental drift)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps Antarctica drifted to the current location at the south pole'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ice ages are mesured in 15k periods , drift is in millions of years '
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '15k years ago, Antarctica was not green'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and both measurements can be flawed, since that library at alexandria was burned down and people don't live beyond 125 often'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'plus i didn't see much evidence of oil rigs and stuff poking lake poigneurs etc back then, but it might be out there - most relics i dig up are more recent'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so even if they could make a educated guess on the natural time frame they're working with they couldn't add in how their actions accumulatively affect their measurements in the future'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'which were never witnessed in the past'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'although 6k years ago the planet earth did not yet exist, according to some republicans -- which is odd, since the 6k figure was estimated prior to the 21st century, perhaps hundreds of years prior'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: '6k figure comes from the bible, who begat who etc. tracing the lineage gives you 6000 years'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's also the genesis story and a verse in the old testament claiming one day to god is as 1000 years to man, and on the 7th day god rested'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the 7th day is not here yet'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps god died on the sixth day'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps god reincarnated into a Buddha  (prior to the Gautama pretender)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'more likely, all that talk of religion is a fiction discussion'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's possible, keeping peoples minds as disconnected from control of their own lives as possible seems to vbe the number 1 concern of the government'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that doesn't mean spirituality's a lie though, lots is possible'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmmm... that hacker that the FBI turned was apparently the one that hacked that FBI conference call... presumably under FBI orders. And helped leak the stratfor emails, according to the Guardian.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the bbc had reported something different'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I can't think of a simple reason why they'd want to hack themselves, and one of their intel providers...'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what did the bbc report?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'really?  I can think of at least one, and it begins with the letter A'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that it was a different guy who hacked the fbi email account and gained access to the coneference call'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmmm...'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/mar/06/lulzsec-sabu-working-for-us-fbi'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'In a US court document, the FBI's informant  there described as CW  "acting under the direction of the FBI" helped facilitate the publication of what was thought to be an embarrassing leak of conference call between the FBI and the UK's Serious and Organised Crime Agency in February.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'any idea where the bbc article is?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'guardian seems like a bit of a tabloid to me from comparison'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i sw'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'guardian tries to make itself out as unbiased and free-thinking'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's pretty left-leaning in actuality'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, "A second document shows that Monsegur  styled this time as CW-1  provided an FBI-owned computer to facilitate the release of 5m emails taken from US security consultancy Stratfor and which are now being published by WikiLeaks."'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i was wondering about it myself, shoddy passwords and stuff, sounds almost like a honeypot, i use like a 12 character non-mnemonic for all my user accounts on my pc'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wonder what purpose that serves the FBI? Internal/interagency power struggle?'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the DEA does similar operations wherein they launder drug money.  They want to see where it's going.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and of course there's Operation Fast and Furious for the ATF.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, but they already knew where it was going...'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who knows, governments don't like being shown up, and they like to control everything, they are essentially the thought police'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'this is the sort of thing that seems to belong in some convoluted cold war spy thriller with a ridiculously complicated plot than actual reality.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i try not to think about it, it depresses me'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nope, this sort of stuff happens all the time.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sask power's going to use a smart meter in canada now instead of employing citizens to take readings from the meters, which in vancouver proved to cost 3x as much as usual (they increased power price and decreased staff/employment)'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'pretty smart isn't it'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: '=h 3'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the social minister of whatever canadian welfare person on the news is saying the canadian government might intervene on a strike by a air canada, for it might detriment the health and well being of canadians - but all hospital flights are taken by private contractors, and there's several other airlines that aren't going on strike, but do go / connect to all the places air canada does'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the march break's coming up so they have a long list of booked flights to use as ransom'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't see why they can't go on strike really, maybe if they do that air canada should dish out some smart dollars to transfer flights to westjet'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'instead of preventing the workers from going on strike, telling the boss to take one of two ways, to reach a deal with the workers or to pay his customers a grievance allowanc'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that seems like an undemocratic thing for the canadian government to do, preventing workers from asking their 47 million wage slave boss for more of a cut instead of asking the boss why there's a problem and having a legislation that in the event of such a event the organization should have to reimburse it's customers and possibly provide alternatives as a penalty'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'happens in the USA all the time. wal-mart will close a store down before going union, or if a store goes union.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there wouldn't be a need for unions if the country was well run'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you can make a business out of the alternatives, hooking people up'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'then this country hasn't been well run in over a hundred years'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'when unemployment is low, all you'd need to do is threaten to quit'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'agreed. but unemployment is very high at the moment'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hence, focussing on political reform is more important, in my opinion.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'certain countries need to swallow their pride and study what works well in other countries in similar circumstances too...'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'history is littered with the ruins of countries which collapsed still believing they were number one...'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'very true'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'some survive though. China has collapsed several times.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and even such countries forget those lessons every few centuries or so.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'anybody else notice that just about every commercial on television now, like watch a red lobster one, has a panting female or something similar selling your meal temptation, except she's like selling herself'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'tv now's alot different than tv from 15 years ago :-/ strange stuff'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'heh, that's been true for years, Druzil. They just have gotten a bit more blatant. Still not as bad as copy ads.'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but it's the principle of selling a product, and the person being that product - it reminds me of slavery becoming normal, like more extreme versions of slavery'
T3/r6/2012-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'wage slaves/tax payers etc isn't known as extreme slavery today, but with unemployment and stuff they're getting there'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'One dose of the hallucinogenic drug LSD could help alcoholics give up drinking, according to an analysis of studies performed in the 1960s. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-17297714'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Imp Druzil rolls her eyes, disgusted.
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, that'll scare them off it, maybe seeing their plaster walls turn into a mass of writhing snakes, sharp awareness, awareness of being unable to sober up driving them temporarily insane'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't think their study was accurate, cause i still drank after using lsd'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the most noticeable change after my experience, after it kicked in ~30-50 minutes, I seen the shaded walls turn into a mass of white serpents, and then - was while intoxicated on LSD after bicycling about 35 kilometres down gravel roads with a few friends, sitting on a narrow dam high above a creek in the countryside and wondering if anybody's gonna throw eachother in, travelling down the valley wondering if the brake lines will work on the bicycle when reaching our destination, then once there meeting up with a friend with a mustang and leaving our bikes behind while he drove pretty fast along this narrow road around a lake - then we go back to the cabin and consume vast quantities of alcohol and marijuana, but i recall not getting stoned beyond the LSD'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '(that's my non-clinical experience, i was pretty young still)'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i went to sleep that night with a black anaconda (which was actually a circular coffee table in front of a couch, coiled beside me'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'yea i did some acid for the first time last year...had good trips both times i did it'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'just a small freakout when the octopus mural at the coffee shop started waving its arms about...had to go'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the one other time i tried it, i had no adventures at all, except fear and paranoia, awareness of my own inadequacies/insecurity, unable to sober up, i left the party and spent 7-8 hours in my bedroom hoping my mother didn't notice i was stoned'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's a hard dose of sanity sometimes for people , i imagine, works differently on individuals'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's hard to fall asleep while wired on LSD, so that was pretty bad'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'I think it works best when you don't have to go outside your realm...like stayin around your house or around a few friends who are on the same lvl or you can trust not to screw with u'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'but having parents around...im sure that would be an instant buzz kill'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'having a keyboard to play music on and trippy lights ect does wonders....so does playing music by The Crystal Method'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, but after taking lsd you commit a significant amount of time to being in a altered and unpredictable state of mind'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's the difference i see about it, it seems more dangerous than something like cannabis, which can be slept off or combatted with cold shower etc'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hallucinogens are dangerous, especially PCP - people can turn into instant vegetables for life and have after taking that'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'how about we debate that weed isn't considered a drug in my opinion ...its 2012 for Christ sake'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't think that one should have escaped the asylum / medical military application they say they used it for painkilling or something'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'and i've smoked weed pretty much daily for 13+ yrs now....since entered high school'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'i still graduated college with a BS in Human Biology and now i have a good job'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'thanks weed *grin'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oladon: 'Take it to ftalk, guys.'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"As it so happened the wage rate for horses fell below sustenance and they died off. There is simply no basic reason this cannot happen to humans, save for the fact that other humans will enact policies to stop it."'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Coca-Cola and Pepsi are changing the recipes for their drinks to avoid putting a cancer warning label on the bottle, to comply with California laws. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17308181 strange stuff they use for makeup in their consumables, why even take the remote risk you got something bad in there?  it's as strange as adding anti-carcinogen's to french fries'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Cancer 'is purely man-made' say scientists after finding almost no trace of disease in Egyptian mummies http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1320507/Cancer-purely-man-say-scientists-finding-trace-disease-Egyptian-mummies.html'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Environmental exposure to cadmium and risk of cancer: a prospective population-based study. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16455475 Fears about cadmium exposure prompted McDonaldbs on Friday to announce a costly recall of 12 million promotional drink glasses featuring cartoon characters from the movie bShrek Forever After.b The paint on the glasses, which were sold for $2 each, contained traces of cadmium, which can cause cancer and other ailments.  http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/05/business/05recall.html?_r=1 bidness'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '"Most people are susceptible to comfort, and when comfort is bestowed upon you in the form of money and food and life generally getting better, that goes a long way to not making you critical," she says. Read more: http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/World/20120307/man-without-a-face-putin-book-120308/#ixzz1oUoMVqvf  -- that's a good observation, it's not only there though, it's being used/replaced with it's absence everywhere'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in canada recently i hear they're making illegal the use of wood burning stoves for heat, which is interesting like the inability to drink non-treated/filtered/bottled water, Tendenko prioritises individual action and self-preservation - and yet such thinking is anathema to Japanese culture. http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/witness/2011/11/20111114121620284203.html and similar to this concept, and the fight over privatization of water in bolivia in the movie http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Even_the_Rain'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you need heat here, and everywhere people need water - providing these things for yourself is impossible unless you're a thief in the future'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'to most people surviving's important even if they don't realize that, just something to think on'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Government defends dismissals, arguing that strikes endanger patients' lives.  http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2012/03/201238222623606376.html   Federal action on Air Canada labour strife 'overwhelmingly' expected by public: Harper http://www.vancouversun.com/business/Federal+action+Canada+labour+strife+overwhelmingly+expected+public+Harper/6278238/story.html'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'canada's turning into kenya, or have they been the same all along'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'kenyada'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i see the light'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'US postal service to cut costs - Agency plans to shut down more than one-fifth of post offices and processing facilities. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2012/03/20123905456480532.html after awhile the cost of sending an email or making a automated telephone call will increase, and fewer people will receive the pay'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Jeffrey Sachs, a professor of economics at Columbia University, has said he wants to be the next president of the World Bank as the current head of the global lender is near the end of his five-year term.  The US economist told Al Jazeera the global institution, which has the power to give money to developing and poor nations, had failed in the past.  http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2012/03/20123794337853809.html beckoning to the poor in other nations and making them all poor in america, good strategy'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'advice given to those against Gay Marriage in the UK by Stonewall, a charity that promotes gay rights: If you are against gay marriage, when you get married, make sure it's to someone of the opposite sex'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'that's possibly sound advice'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'except for a few hypocrites'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, solar storms disrupt electric? i don't care, we have solar panels'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Self-immolation of 18-year-old in Sichuan province is the third such incident in three days in country's southwest. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-pacific/2012/03/201236174017267366.html UN heritage body expresses "extreme concern" over industrial development near Australian natural wonder. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-pacific/2012/03/2012376842562300.html (They're just trying to prevent us from getting a head - ) progress..'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Anke Domaske has discovered a way to create clothes using "milk threads" through a machine that transforms the dairy product into a silky cotton. She is planning on producing garments with that method on an industrial scale. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2012/03/201238161139169666.html'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in the meantime people quit growing real cotton and grow opium/dope instead cause there's no money in it'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so where does she get money for moo cotton?  sounds like a losing investment to me, but i guess they're beyond that'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'big job loss there, 3-800 million people or so'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they'll say it's job creation though'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"Banks foreclosing on churches in record numbers" - Reuters'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '"China bans words from internet"  Nice headline from Yahoo. :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bbc had some death penalty statistics on their sight, apparently china's in the lead with 1000+ last year, plenty of countries listed with + and many might not all be accurate too'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i figure if you have soldiers in a foreign land fighting their citizens and it's illegal to murder there then that death count should be added to yours'
T3/r6/2012-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's also a more informative article on social media censoring on aljazeera if that's all yahoo's says'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think it's incredible, (not mockingly, but in derpsonal principle), that an airplane crashing into the towers of economic oppression, which is escalating to that of the 1930's after the fact, is still the main rallying point used in continuing their battles, while everybody gets poorer and poorer and loses their jobs and their independence and rights and pride'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'according to my cigarette pack, each year the equivalent of a small city dies from tobacco use - and i know those chemicals were doubled in 2005 by the japanese/us government, like this drug Oxy killin people in brazil now'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so the government kills off a small city worth of civilians every year, which is 100-500,000 , but those towards is all that matters'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not convinced '
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what was that cult leaders crime, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones , spiked the kool-aid with cyanide and feed it/force fed it to everybody in his group, claiming to save them from a bitter future'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'ok, so people was addicted to kool-aid and trusting in a cult leader'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not much difference in principle between this tobacco and that kool aid'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'this guy is awesome: http://i.imgur.com/4P2NH.jpg'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'People & Power - Germany's records of repression http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy8J37X7umY '10 killers is better than 1 political prisoner' - their kids was locked up as retards but they were sane, their kids was given up for adoption to the agents but they kept no record of how many or who - and my grandfather had knowledge of chinese water torture, which can be seen in the two buckets in one cell'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how does he know about it?  taught in school?'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they compose over 15,000 places in german government today'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe vlad the impaler was raised by the turkish stasi'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'their greatest acheivement was innovation in psychological torture'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Dru, I've missed you.'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what do you think of the topic?'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'can you grasp it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Depends, what's the topic?'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'debate -h 12'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Sorry man, 7 words or less. GO.'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so you're a government worker'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I wish, jeez.'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'for death?'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Government office work, death, what's the difference?'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Both leave you a hollowed out shell, just one subjects you to what feels like eternal torture without actually killing you first.'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not too much, as they say you can hate the idea of being part of a totaliatarian dictatorship and then put on the uniform to become what you hate'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i know some nsa agents like that'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Wait though, you're Canadian, right?'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sure, the other causes you to be justified in inflicting the torture on yourself'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'using your mind to take theirs'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yep, not native american though'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Ok, just wanted to make sure that when you said totalitarian dictatorship you were being facetious. Continue.'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i already gave proof of canadian government corruption, there's no difference between here and russia'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Sure there is man. While I understand your comparison, there are some key differences. 1) When faced with a growing backlash against C-30, Harper sent it to committee for review (Toews is still a dick). Putin would have had vocal opponents beaten and arrested. 2) When large crowds of people are taken hostage by armed militants, we don't gas the militants AND hostages, Russia does'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Our government isn't pristine, but it's no Russia either.'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'take a look at the movie a sea of blood by north korea, or the aljazeera 101 article on the north korean media - how they're treated and how they worship their leader'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'their leader is more important than them, which is understandable as long as he lives according to their means'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he doesn't torture those key to the state, only those throwaway are allowed to rot'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Or people who try and leave'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I'm hoping Kim-Jong Un or whateverhisnameis, is suitably less batshit insane. I'll miss Ol' Il for a lot of reasons, not of them reasonable.'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'er... none'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the same thing exists everywhere in the world, some employ more openly like north korea, as closed as it is'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's no difference between their philosophy and the philosophy of the rulers of america or canada'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'except for how openly it's indoctrinated'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'But there is a difference between the people. We're not willing to put up with that kind of shit, so it doesn't exist here, no matter how badly the leaders may want it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Conservatives bitch about Liberals, and Liberals bitch about Conservatives, but both sides need each other or we end up with N. Korea.'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'A single state 'unified' under a single, untouchable, and absolute ideology that inevitably corrupts and becomes a hereditary dictatorship.'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like the wikipedia article on benito mussolini will show you, in the war bonds cartoons from america, first him and hitler's government theory targets the imagination and then the mind and then the understanding of the people, apparently they didn't like people who didn't know what was going on - while the west and their allies were the opposite'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you didn't look at mussolini or hitler and see god cause he turn your mind into a cartoon - that's what you do in the others, you did it because he fought in world war 1 (both of them) and shared his belief for the understanding of the populace'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and it was respect'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'There were a lot of reasons Hitler & Mussolini rose to power.'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Not all of them sane.'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'after they're gone, north korea's the most close to what they were - although they were different in that they didn't ask to be worshipped as god'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they was people who wanted to make their country's a more individually powerful place'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'even if they were evil, so was george bush or many others'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Well... Hitler was Czhecoslovakian'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Austrian'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'You sure?'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Yeah, you're right. I'm mixing my history up.'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'everybody since the king of germany who died in 1932 (before holocaust) is known as a pretender to the throne'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'according to my actual geneology i'm a descendent of theodoric the 1'st'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I dare you to change your name to Theodoric the Mad'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Double dog dare you'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Double your mom dare him?'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I keep telling you Star, no matter how many times you tell yourself that the pug you fucked after St. Patty's day last year was my mom, it won't make it true.'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'My mom's a St. Bernard. Get it right.'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'That didn't even make sense.'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Then try reading it slowly, you'll work it out.'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'wat'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'NO U'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Sorry, it's Saturday night and I've got places to go. But you keep working on it and keep being.. unh, awesome?'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert tickles Starling.
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm going to be big mudding while you big clubbing.'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i met the hottest eskimo i ever seen in a camrose night club one night, but i didn't hit on them'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i just go to bar's to get drunk and realize further why i hate myself'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'judicial independence ending in hungary, among other things. Nice experiment with democracy while it lasted, I suppose!'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'poor old hungary, their leader locked up a woman who's afraid to talk about why she was locked up'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'somebody should pull some bourne agenda on their ass'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i seen public execution of several people by them, why not them themselves?'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'make for good mythbusters'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-eZ1x_qRAQ  People & Power - America's Dangerous Game '
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'check that out, watch the limb baby's'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'american warships shot the missiles blew up a village of poor people'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in yemen'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they weren't even al qaeda'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'obama ordered the hit'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this can be traced back to 1938 oil contracts with roosevelt'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they left the debris there so you could look it up'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'never truely lived life until you seen a dead baby held by a person making a point'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not in this world anyways'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: ''al qaeda is in the highest places in the land' he says'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they get innumerable funding from america, why would they dethrone their banker?'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'watch that ISI/CSIS video on there too, got some canadians interrogating a 15 - 17 year old canadian boy in guatanemo bay, they don't care about the truth only pleasing their master'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then most canadians want him to be hung or locked up for life by default'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they don't care about the person who did the questioning that doesn't deserve his job'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i know judgement and he wasn't listening'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'harper likes cenovus energy and liftning the bans on drilling for oil in national parks/digging for gold on national parks'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's what he's about, and he sends that all to other countries'
T3/r6/2012-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and most canadians don't live a decent life'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'kony 2012'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Did you hear? Bad shit is happening in Africa!'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No shit...'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'this guy is my hero - http://i.imgur.com/4P2NH.jpg'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'reprisals on americans probable after afghan massacre, it seems...'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'witnesses claim a number of drunk soldiers opened fire on civilians for kicks. US forces say only one soldier was involved...'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's pretty fucked up isn't it?  shooting at normal people cause you can't get away with murder in america, maybe they'll change that for war veterans in the future'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the military makes me sick but i guess you don't want to sacrifice beneficial people to your national defense'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, well, while most us troops are well disciplined, the military itself lacks proper battlefield discipline. The results are only natural...'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you're being shot at by people with guns who also shoot at ordinary people if they don't do what they're told, then if you shoot at ordinary people you're no less a terrorist than the organization with some 'isolated violence' as they claim that you go to uproot'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if someone knowingly sabotages the overall operation or national interests, there's no provision for a speedy trial and execution in many cases, even if there's no doubt of the crime...'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'extremist sects of the us military'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why not, boko haram'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that video about the shredded villagers in yemen that the us bombed cause it was a terrorist training field, but it was a village of extremely poor people instead, was pretty sick too'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'old women, young women and children with 3 young men who weren't even terrorists'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'YET'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'killed about 47 people with their anti terror missile'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'whoever their intelligence agents are need to get theirselves verified by some more intelligence agents'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the people on the documentary figure these kind of actions by the usa are used by the terrorist to recruit people into their organizations'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-eZ1x_qRAQ and that seems possible to me'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this koby person they talk about on the news was supposedly released from a us prison before being installed into that african nation, in jail for murder'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'by the cia'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the bad guy only becomes the bad guy once he recruits/enforces his recruitment process sponsored by the usa onto a few million civilians'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he was placed there by the usa for that purpose, black flag warfare'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not much of a difference between russia who arms those africans and mid-easterners and america who installs/funds the people who purchase them and creats their rebellion sects is there?'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sweden makes shell oil corporations in saudi arabia to make missile silo's, to disconnect itself from it's actions and instead it was shell'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's all a dirty bullshit war that only cater's to the good of the people everybody hates today'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in one day in america the government receives over 27 billion dollars in taxes paid'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you can purchase alot of things with 27 billion bucks'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the state of things in south america is like a tiered shield of poverty that nobody can escape, the violent situations etc are all intelligently designed by the government, and there's only one government - to prevent people from living in peace and protect america'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in guatemala in the 1950's they tried to make a real democracy, but the head of the cia's brother's oppressive banana corporation was in charge of the government there and was removed by the citizens, which resulted in america making war on them'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Unfortunately a lot of things have been purchased, and $27B will no longer even pay the interest on the debt that has accrued'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'to install oppression'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Have they revealed who the American soldier who went on a rogue killing rampage is?'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and according to lots of documentaries i watched, no matter how virtuous or good of a person you are in south american nation's, life is worth nothing'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's all caused by american support and support from other foreign nations'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'things/facts like that make me angry that there's a DEA office in ottawa, where nobody can afford the rent, and american's own every business that chinese or australians don't'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'from canada there's not really many places to go to, but america's gonna digest it soon'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'stephen harper's probably a member of the american noble family who invented harper's ferry, which was connected to abraham lincoln and a couple other US heads of state'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'John Rambo'
T3/r6/2012-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hmn.. quiet here too'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Communists in Kolkata http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/peopleandpower/2007/04/2008525183435651655.html 'the trend of society is to move away from agriculture and into services and industry', this might be where the saying indian giver comes from, since the same people who gave the poor indians the rich man's land are giving it back to the rich man'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's fucked up people everywhere isn't there?  nobody's got their future in mind out of the box they're born in'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, agriculture isn't the work of god kind of work, growing food and stuff to survive, it's all about building car's and trucks, and that's mostly done by machines'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or selling some cocaine and buying some car's and trucks with your hard earned money, spending what you didn't earn's what runs the world'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's like that place in athens where they said will be a park, but put concerete on top of it instead, then the rioters ripped it up and made a park anyways'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'eventually they'll probably put a tarmac over every plot of land that can produce food'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then there'll be some babylon whore metaphor hanging gardens except in skyscrapers under grow lights'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and people will be in cages, while only machines walk the streets keeping them in check'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's what city living reminds me of, little cubicles in a office building or a sardine can if you're not in your own house/lot'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's amazing to see how each government has their majority brainwashed, there's always some free thinkers but mostly they're made in the image of their god, which is their government, even though they think not'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this can be seen by watching the episode of wwe when the entire crowd of 10-20,000 people boo's at the iraq wrestler asking the crowd why they support the murder of people like him'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they don't even have an answer, they just boo and cheer whenever something unfortunate happens to him in their sight'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'generation of idiots, judging from the relative mental acuity of the elderly who were raised 40-50 years prior'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's what dictator's like though, thinking people are a stain on their mark'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some government head's fuck up murdered the land/kicked off the villagers (with no chief) from a region of land, but he's not trespassing on their sovereignty, they're in his land, he's their chief that doesn't have anything in common with them'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it would be a godsend if every single government affiliated individual on earth got wiped out tomorrow'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'house of common's isn't for the entire world, we have nothing in common with the dying politicians'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'In October of 1939 amid the turmoil of the outbreak of war Hitler ordered widespread "mercy killing" of the sick and disabled. http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/holocaust/h-euthanasia.htm this considered with their still usage of Wannsee Vila for holocaust shame ceremonies, Lord Falconer's bid to make it standard practice, the UK government's bid to make people organ doner's unless they voluntarily opt out (understand what goes on first) and the Stasi getting away with all of their crime's while running Germany today is pretty interesting, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17336774 , also interesting is the freqency of these cases reaching court, with one in B.C out of 5 years since Latimer'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i smell unintelligent uneventualities'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Latimer before the woman in b.c within the last year and a half there wasn't any speak of it on the mass-media'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they would be possibly unrelated if the mass media wasn't talking about all of these other things in europe'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'america pulling the plug on the woman on life support on CNN might have assisted'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that happened before they took any of this seriously'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they want the right to die, there's lots of options before making somebody get away with homicide'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they could try to live in the world they can't live in by themselves for instance, become independent'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'suicide was illegal up until recently'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then the opting in is one of their civil rights'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who knows, maybe they'd find themselves concerned with something other than being murdered after awhile'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't think death is even a right, it's a given'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as far as i could fathom pretty much everything gets destroyed on earth eventually'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if health canada got sued it would be the tax payers that paid for it, how about the people personally who made the decisions/negligence instead and all of their accumulated investments from that time?  - about should tobacco companies be charged 25 billion dollars in quebec?'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'misleading the smokers'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '2/3 of the price of all tobacco products goes to the federal government'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'still haven't seen the difference between http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones thinking they're having a drink of kool-aid which is actually cyanide and nihl.gov which has on its website (had) a draft from the japanese government from 2005 where they found no increased mortality rate among smokers given twice the lethal additives including nicotine to their cigarettes, within 5 months this draft was passed by american senate and adopted into canadian industrialists'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you have a tin of tobacco from 1995 and one from 2006-2007 you'll see the difference, high end is now the least'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you consider your habit in light of how long somebody starting in 1950 survived to be 90, then you're missing this fact'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not a single mention on the canadian or american news about them doubling the dosage'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'money at the cost of human lives is homicide, not manslaughter'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in a democratic society should go beyond the senate or house of commons to decide well should we let people know that we're doubling the dosage of their cigarettes cause a us jap said so?'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how come people who run the minds behind the tobacco industry and the individuals in government and their private gains don't get charged with murder and things like that since the intent is there?'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if i go out an murder 500,000,000 people today chances are i wouldn't be around tomorrow or make it to number 100 or 150'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but them, that's nothing'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and cadmium in a intelligently designed formula for paint on childrens toys, and chlorine gas in world war 1 (verifiable)'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'boil some water affect the unborn in the mothers belly'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they get away with that cause the government lets them get away with that, whether or not somebody has a gun pointed at their head'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'where was the scientists then to make sure that before the luxury of childrens toys are released to the canadian public they adhere to health standards, like not giving them cancer and arthritis?'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they get their pay cheques, but they're installed by the people who want to feed you cyanide like jim jones'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you quit selling foreign toys in canada cause they have nazi-experimentation written all over them, and build them yourselves with your canadian dollar, then you pressure them to up the quality of their products'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'canadians spend quite a bit around christmas for 32 million people'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'macdonalds also put cadmium on their childrens doys to not be recalled unless sufficient negative publicity surfaced - might be a good company to dismantle from canada for attempted infanticide and other future health consequences'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how many schools think it's normal to feed their students a cup of coca cola at a track meet?  lots of carcinogens that they knew about for a unrevealed amount of time ingested by young humans'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe coca cola should be replaced with canadian cola instead so that the absence of grievance allowance paid to those affected in all of the implictive health variations throughout time would be paid back for their negligence'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Oxygen is also a carcinogen.  Suppose we should get rid of that, too.'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in the past we have seen that coca cola and macdonalds don't care about killing infants and people of all age groups in the civilian sector, while biochemical terrorism is written of in the geneva convention'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is it wise in the future to allow any of their contributing members to continue to invest in the country that pays taxes to it's government wherein they practiced their black magic?'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's no proof of oxygen being much of a carcinogenic in the quantities in the natural atmosphere that we breathe, before becoming un-natural'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they say that out of all the egyptian sarcophagus and mummies they examined they found only one case of a mummy dying of any possible cancer-related illness'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and canada's actually exporting asbestos to indian setting a good example with their knowledgeable intent stated beyond a clevery business strategy'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lots of people there probably don't see anything wrong with it, but you should see a american or canadian construction worker once he realizes asbestos is in the premises'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'right away panic's and refuses to go back in there until it's cleared'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so they hide behind, we have the product you have the money - ok, i'm a canadian citizen and i want a .50 calibre sniper rifle with 1000 rounds, and a night vision capable scope, possibly with a silencer'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you have the product i have the money'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's an example, how come product and money's only what you can hide behind if you're dealing internationally with another's population'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think export laws should govern everything, from black flag shell company's building missile's for your government not watching itself in the government where they see you's borders, to adhere to the minimum standards the level of the entity you're dealing with will provide to one of it's own members by law'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so in china they got not much give a shit over how healthy their food is but in canada they do, so if china wants to sell food here it has to raise it better to adhere to what canadians would sell to it's citizens as the citizens expect'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but if china wants to purchase something from canada, even though it could be a sloppy evil product, it has to be worthy of being eaten by it's own population first'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a most restrictive first policy'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'when it comes to health and trade its beneficial'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then if somebody in america's investing in his wal-mart distribution factory in mexico, because minimum wage in a land in which he holds citizen ship is 8-10 dollars an hour, then in mexico the equivalent must be paid to make sure he's playing by the rules of american business'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's the main benefit of outsourcing your people'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and that's a solution'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if tobacco's concerned about money, then why would they spend more on the double dosages of chemicals since 2005?'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the money's just an excuse for inferior minds than their own'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then consider the cost of fueling the machines that build your honda automobile, and how would that be possibly saving them money at current market prices compared to paying the equivalent amount of human's that were replaced?'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i notice that the american government's living allowance is flexible and grows with the cost of living, but welfare doesn't'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '(members of congress etc)'
T3/r6/2012-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe they own energy and honda too is my only logical guess'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh. Like some american schoolkids, some iraqi death squads think that "emo" is "gay".'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/12/us-iraq-gays-emo-idUSBRE82B0VZ20120312'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"Hurriya says he believes at least 200 men have been murdered in recent years either for being gay or appearing effeminate. He personally knows 66 of them."'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if emo is gay is disco gay too?  how about gilette or deodorant commercials?'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'stupid, some people are negative, realists are usually pessimists'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they might think of it as bad for allah as a whole to have people who aren't a member of one of his cults around'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'whaver they do they do, it's only a problem for people here cause people from here went there and fucked up their society'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'their society was already pretty screwed up before'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's just a different kind of screwed up now'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i won't argue that but i really wasn't there and never talked to somebody from iraq myself'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the first war footage i ever seen on tv was that george bush senior war on iraq though'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they had camera's showing american tanks going through the desert and stuff back then too'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's just too uncanny that his son would become president (wow) and then make that war over again'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the most sentient biological weapons of mass destruction around was the h1n1 flu virus, which on abcnews was possibly carried into america from soldiers returning from iraq in a washington hospital, which leaked to the public '
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and then the europeans say 'development of mutated h1n1 flu virus for scientific purposes halted for fear it might come into hands of the terrorist''
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'also, they don't teach african's about using neem, which is considered a weed, to treat malaria - although it's supposed to be pretty good at that, sciencedaily removed an article where monkey's developed a cure using plant matter and dirt for malaria, but during the economic recession a new singaporean biotech firm won a nobel peace prize for their discovery of a synthetic solution to malaria'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'differences are that one's widely available down there and doesn't require a middleman, but cause of absence of knowledge isn't used - '
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nobel prize of some kind anyways, not nobel peace'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people'd be ashamed to eat some bacteria in the dirt and plant matter extracts and realize a monkey was their phamacologist'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most of science is like that though, they take from the simple and confuse the obvious and then install themselves as saints'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'supposedly canada was known as peace keepers until they went to iraq too, not a target of anybody exclusively (except possibly by actions by their gold mine's in argentina and mexico and other places, hosting the company, sometimes government within the borders of canada, and giving canada a bad name by their abuse)'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now canada's declaring war on iran and all kinds of people, their government'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they want in on all the killing actions, it's a matter of national security, some of the countries canada invaded have declared canada a threat to themselves'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no shit hey'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'usually it's at least a 45% no with do you support the war or this operation polls'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and those statistics could easily be rigged'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i seen how feeble canadadian military is hardware wise compared to others though'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'anybody who think's they're tough enough to be making war on other countries should be able to stand toe to toe with them first'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'canada doesn't even do that'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i was expecting that canadian ship leaving newfoundland in january to never come back'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if canada said about israel 'you do your thing and leave us out of it' then saudi arabia and iran and some others wouldn't be as interested in it, maybe'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but always harper talks about the utmost dedication to israel, but he's running canada right?'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'one friend in the new jerusalem in the new testament revelation and they're not even very contributive to society'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in canada'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and russia/iran/syria/arabia and a bunch of other's resentful because of that one choice'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'harper should have that video or story of the american woman being ran over by a bulldozer in israel for protesting them breaking the UN sanctions in 2001'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'played before all of his speeches on invaluable israel'
T3/r6/2012-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then the chinese tank stopping before the protestor on the pavement for good measure, analytic hindsight'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'heh.. a whiny emo kid? when they label emos as homos an kill them in iraq?'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'the poll..'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Not what happened...'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The stauch religious groups in Iraq vilified *all* western styles, and the western media only picked up on 'emo''
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'oh. thanks. i sleep better now:)'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I vilify all them (country &) western styles, too!'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'im wester loser and i despise myself..'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'western chicks are hot, though. Got to give them that :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Telly Salvanas: 'who on earth classifies emo as homo? besides sounding vaguely similar...'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Damn straight they are'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vakieh meant the chicks, not the homo, in case anyone was wondering
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's a way of thinking everywhere, just some places it's allowed for you to deviate from the mould and think for yourself, as long as it's not a threat to the mould - in other places the mould makes a religion out of hanging and decapitation and stoning anybody who isn't a part of itself, or any part of itself the majority of itself is led to believe is different from them, true or false'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'with governments and ruling traditions'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'iraq and iran are the kind that made religions out of keeping the unimind in order, if they go to war with somebody everybody's behind the war, even if they're as they perceive somebody in iraq now trespassing with their traditions there in the eyes of the invaded - deviancy from support is a crime'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in america though and canada you don't have to support the war and can still remain alive'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's all the mass killings and stuff are about 99% of the time is gaining followers, sacrificing one follower and gaining 10 more, etc, selecting what'll make you more powerful based upon your current amounts of influence'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and most people are followers, just about everybody follows somebody else, without guidance they're bored, with a boss they're distracted from that boredom, sometimes with rewards'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the bible does say that in the end of days you shall hear of mass destruction, war and famine everywhere, so i guess this stuff might all be a computer program written by the people who wrote the bible and replayed to every generation, a sign or else not the war to end all wars'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Hey Dru'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I bet those living during the Black Plague thought that the bible meant them...'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'with them storing the black plague in a vault now instead of the cure i'm not so sure that humans didn't genetically engineer the first one'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '666 only ment one dude - don't stop us adopting it :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in the book of kings is written about the king of babylon being turned into a herd of cattle for 100 years, with 1 day being as 1000 years to man a time key somewhere in the old testament'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and it was 616 according to some older sources'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so wherever they got that verse from, the wizard turning the boy into a mouse in the sword in the stone'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I blame it on the rat scientists'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but hey, it's the druzil show on debate :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i guess i could say anything and still sound relatively sane'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's interesting though, hinduism thinks cows are sacred, maybe they are the king of babylon in origin'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'only animals with 3 stomaches that i'm aware of, and like the GMO corn , a normal plant has 1 ear per leaf, while a GMO plant has 3 ears per leaf'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's the bible show considered in decrypting format'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i didn't say that's how it is i said that's what's written in the bible and with today's known world in sight what could the bible have meant?'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I layed off the other night but I'll not again. Keep personal attacks to yourselves please.'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we can glean just about any meaning one wants from the bible. It is a never-ending source of self-fulfilling prophesies.'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'fulfill the ones about the beast and satan's 1000 years, they make no sense without the use of the imagination and maybe your ego if it's a self fulfilling prophecy do they?'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'in the words of noob "twist it till it fits"'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I like the way I said it best, it sounded scholarly :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'another gem from the same noob "the curse of the average occult student is gulability" LOL sp?'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'jesus said the servant shall be as the master, i guess that means a good priest wants to remove himself from the front of the subject matter and let them see if for themselves'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it could mean that...'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like the bible too, it's a subject matter but it's matter is beyond itself, so once that's not required any longer why bother repeating it?  '
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or without a servant , there is no master- ergo .. .'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '...or he could have been trying to destroy class disctinctions.'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'at ever invocation of the god concept'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you have to realize that Jesus' godhood was bestowed on him after he died. The thought of being god never entered his mind, the idea would have horrified him.'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Jesus was a good jew.'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that bothers me when i consider islam praying 5 times per day, sure they're ok with it and it's their rights to do so, but i don't see the significance in the practice myself'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it seems like a lie'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Jesus was a good Jew, though a very political one.'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's pacts with satan discussed in the demonology book'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's what it reminds me off, the repetitions and stuff'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the book written by king james?'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'jesus didn't care about if it was the sabbath or not, should he eat bread or heal people, he did what he felt was correct'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'praying to be seen doing so by people's about the main practice of most religions on earth, the majority of the population calls itself religious'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they go to church where others can see them there, the ones i went to had very few people who weren't there for that group delusion'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe they have some kind of power from their shared prayers but i'm not so sure'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'jesus said when you pray, go into a closet (this is replaced with the confessional booth) and pray in secret'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'He said that? hmm'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'What Jesus did say was (in so many words) that Jews shouldn't be ruled by Rome.'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'His mission was to become king of Israel and oust the Romans.'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yep, he was comparing what he thought was correct way to practice religion to what the common one was, public displays and stuff, god's second to their public appeal and others thoughts that they're religious'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Says who? The collected works of some random iron age people who 'met' him?'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i believe Jesus could trace his ancestory to King David'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, he could. Also, to Aaron.'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I can trace my ancestry to Adam. Doesn't make it not bullshit, however'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'could King David trace his ancestory back to Abraham or Aaron?'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'which made him unique. He was descendant of both a kingly line and a priestly one. '
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'had he lived, he would have become both King of Israel and High Priest. Finally combining both offices.'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'which explains why he didn't live.'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'sounds like the most rational explanation i have ever heard'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you can convince kid's that they're voodoo god's (in africa they do this) the adults worship them and feed on their young imaginations, it's rediculous but happens'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Jesus' movement was political, he taught his politics through the use of religion, which is what people understood. His claim was that if people returned to the ways of God, Israel would be free.'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so what if somebody thought they're the king of israel and melchizidek'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'high priest stuff'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the adults all said it was so'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'abandoning money concept in the church wasn't much of a worldly gain to him though, maybe he had other plans beyond money - which moses didn't in his 4 books'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'politics is worldly gain'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'After Jesus died his life was colored with a different brush by Paul. Two camps went forth to preach after his death. One lead by Paul and the other by Peter. Though there were other branches also. Paul's group was the only one who wanted to deify him.'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and satan tempted jesus in the desert with all the kingdoms on earth, and jesus didn't worship him - so the satan here might be the plans you think he had'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Well, we don't really know what plans he had, but we know what the ruling class thought his plans were :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'He had friends in high places, but he also had enemies.'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in the first few pages of the gospel, the high priest of the jews prophecizes that jesus should die, and the way he acheives this remarkable prediction is by sending his servants into the crowd chanting to free the killer'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Worse (for him), he was very popular.'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and rallying the crowd around his servants of angelic prophecy'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '(which isn't very much of a prophet) so he looks like a false prophet sort of'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'again, claims he was a prophet came from Paul's camp. What Jesus was, was the messiah. A messiah in Jewish lore is almost the same as a judge. When Israel was in trouble, a judge rose to do away with it. A messiah was a step above a judge. He was not only a judge but he would come at a time when the "signs" were portentous.'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'vanquish some enemies'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is there a stream of thought/study that links Idosing to a sense of belonging/sense of meaning in net interaction?'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The Jews actually believe that a new world order was in the making.'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'believed*'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they were looking at the signs (L'aire du temps)'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz irr'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nobody wants you tzad, say it how it is'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'tell me the entirety of you and your organization's foothold over my reality'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i want to know about all the things you project as being my main concerns'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'With all due respect, I don't want to come near your reality :) I have my own to worry about :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I have the potential to kill ppl , therefore I am relavent :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it doesn't make you unique, we all have the potential.'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'really, so you think you're powerful and matter to me because of how you think you are great'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the wind blowing in my yard right now could pick up and blow the whole world to shreds'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'are you greater than the wind?  '
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that would be a hell of  a butterfly :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I am happy '
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just saying, i have no delusions of having any friends on earth and no desire to please somebody to be my friend, i don't care about being a member of a group or conversing with their entirety or a single one, or their absence altogether'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can spend hours writing down my thoughts onto a blank page and erasing them when i see fit'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i actually did just about everything there is to do to prevent myself from ever having a friend, just as a precaution against intimacy'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't even trust my own family, it's just how it is, life's boring and this is one way of killing time'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm embracing narcissism and yet in it's percect saftey I can reach out with no harm - a wonderful state'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'narcissist is how beautiful i am, self hatred comes after realizing you're not, not before you become a narcissist'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perfect saftey*'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i hated everything there is to hate about reality, i broke it in my mind before'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and i never left myself out of it'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I admit to both being in over my head and to underestimating the depth.'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'toss me a floatie ? '
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I wish you no ill'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no recourse for hurt'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'that you have broken your reality means only good , only rebuilding in your own focus'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i've seen actual demonic possession in the world/evidence of the supernatural, nobody's given me a atheist opinion except it didn't happen, and they aren't me so they don't know that - and what i meant by broken reality is to some degree i killed everything i love in life (indirectly), and while meditating reached a point in battling off all thought where i seen nothing but a white light, and it really blew my mind - it took me over 30 minutes to an hour to come to relatively normal at that point afterwards, everything in this real world seemed fictitious to me'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'even thought it's real - i read about such things in some religious texts but not arrived at in the same way as me, i guess you have to see it to believe it'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and then once seen it never leaves the memory'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i guess it's what hate can create or self hatred, the feeling of being alone in the concept of reality for real, and looking for confirmation that you're not'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'when I first took acid I had to buy a can of drink etc from a shop to remind me who/how to be  perhaps I chose the wrong place to retrain ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the bible says be not deceived, for satan can appear as an angel of light - so i kept that in mind'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Tzadkiel is the Angel of Mercy'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how is it that the people who wrote these holy books were able to accept the bible's sayings and still affirm to themselves that they weren't talking to satan'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the jews state in the old testament 'our god is an all consuming fire''
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and that's similar to what i seen'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'appear as an angel of light all consuming fire, hmm, how to tell the differences'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Well, the Old Testament god isn't exactly what I'd call benevolent.'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they've got to have a guide they use somewhere if they believe it'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'during invokations demons don't know the Kabalah, is how you catch them out '
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and god knows everything, testing spirits is mentioned in the gospel'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or judging spirits, the saints do that, angels and evils and stuff'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'have you ever thought about about destroying all religious iconography and just dealing with the ritual as mind created ? '
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'to him who believes anything's possible yeah, another bible saying, that's how i think of it, i don't need a book but just guidance from god where he wants me to be or to believe, since i'm pretty analytical i guess that means not being deceived can come naturally'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i figure before any religions were invented if god did want to communicate with somebody he didn't require a pre-existing teacher that seen his will for who he wants it to'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like in the genesis story, did god ask adam what god should be called? '
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i try and figure out what it means as deceptions/belitttlements and mockery's of life mostly, because that's how reality is'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I got to a point where striping down the symbols got to numbers and that just stuffed me totally - I have the basi symbols as the elements /western and can play with them like that '
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in the gospel's a verse, can an evil tree bring forth good fruit? - with that in mind, can a rotten world bring forth a good teaching?'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so the bible's composed of the world's matter, written by people who existed within it, preserved by a sick culture'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the words thoug, hold a message that very few seem to be able to understand for themselves, they understand the priests version and or else though, comparing their life to the everafter, their life is pretty bad most of the time and forever worse, now this priest had my parents and me too'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'nature is not god BUT it is "The line of best fit" (lol stats cream here) '
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lots of people's religious faith is probably twisted misconceptions based on fear of not believing in god, because life sucks and there gotta be something beyond, but also what if there's a hell and he watches my thoughts and if they're not towards him then i'll be in trouble (priest might stand in here a little)'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'unfulfilling faith is how i see that kind of stuff, i tried it out before, forcing myself to believe something that i didn't understand'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Dru '
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm hugging you'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's actually a fear that lingers in the world that if you acknowledge that you don't worship something you don't understand you're making god angry'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the is only one goddess to me , and I am it'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'play something ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i see that just about everywhere, god can be replaced with other entities sometimes, it's a general concept - but based on ignorance all around, both of who's not understood and who's angry, acknowledging your own limits of understanding doesn't seem to be criminal though - things in the imagination might sometimes be things in reality, but as they're disconnected separate beings mediated by these bodies there's not really a way of confirming that'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'oldschool?'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'another faith is required there'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'f me '
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in a way there's alot of faith that the imagination is directly linked to reality in people, a thought of a chair comes to mind, the chair is in reality (your mind) but also in your mind (reality)'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'easy to connect the dots and sit on it, but they are two different places'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most people don't act in real time all the time like computer programs'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah most act like triggers ... Hi-   Hi'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sure, i notice that customary words and things'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hi, sup, hello, how are you doing?  '
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'but we are past that '
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'often there's no genuine interest in the answers, but expectation of the same is still there, otherwise this guy is strange'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hi, he didn't say hi, hmmm'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or "hows it goijng ? '
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just more trigger life'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, i hate those ones, how's it going and what's up? if i say the sky i'm not lying but they probe, not much usually stops the probes'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'they just want a stroke'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's going, same as always - why's that?'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ppl just want a pat'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'pat them'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anyone wanna pat ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'brb dunny break'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'back'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'whats the song - i have a dream - a dream of illusion '
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'its a queen son ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '"look what they've done to my dream'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bbc wrote an article updating on a dream neighbourhood in america built sometime around 1960, and reflected on the american dream being a lie that pacifies the public from ever demanding their desires are met while their neighbourhood is turned to shit beneath them'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it was a pretty interesting read, i guess that norman rockwell might agree'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bThe United States is the main battlefield,b he testified, bthe people and the soil and the resources of the United States.b He warned that brainwashing would make Americans bsubjects of a bnew world orderb for the benefit of a mad little knot of despots in the Kremlin.b http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/06/weekinreview/06weiner.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all Remembering Brainwashing '
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's pretty neat, having a quote from a 1902 media person inventing the pre-cia repeated in modern media'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not sure about the kremlin, but a mad little knot of people is sure possible'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Scientists use brain imaging to reveal the movies in our mind http://newscenter.berkeley.edu/2011/09/22/brain-movies/ this is led by a chinese neuroscientist, interesting why they'd want to do that'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so many other problems to solve, they're going into the 1984 orwell stories'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they show a movie and then scan the brain and locate the place where it's remembered, and from there they project it back onto a screen'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'imagine the courts of the future, hmmph, they'll be watching that whole process if they have it their way'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that'll pretty much deify inequality in society after the people who control it have it firmly integrated somewhere, nobody will be able to verify or understand what they do'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'same thing as computerchips in cars, no room for mechanics anymore, etc, made in china'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'punching bag mobs may as be temporary guest spots -- changeable often'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'suggestions for guest spots include:  Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and Rush Limbaugh'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're saying on this cities of the underworld last night that benito mussolini was a really bad guy, among other things he cracked down hard on the mafia and wanted to eradicate it - while america had one of their don's locked up in prison, supposedly america released the don from prison in exchange for his assistance in rallying the mafia around taking down mussolini with america'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's interesting, fine line between law and law breaker'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now they're running waste disposal in somalia and all kinds of weird things'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'america's always seemed like a illegitimate cynic though, having professors of law with surname lawless and other joke-like realities'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so bailed the mafia out of extinction in world war 2, armed the afghanistani's against the ussr in the 80's, saved the banana company in guatemala in the 50's, went to war for other than oil in iraq twice, gave the shah of iran a us money print in 1958 for thanks for the oil contracts, signed a deal with the king of saudi arabia in the 1930's for oil, and the lowering of the flag in iraq to symbolize the end of occupation'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'petro china in afghanistan and canada replacing petro canada cause that was too sovereign of them'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, the world makes sense, you all are killin eachother for something real'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'person who invented the cia's quote of the ussr turning america into a new world order ran from the kremlin in new york times 2008 articles'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'born in 1902'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in canada, female's sell their vaginas to escort services ran by the mafia not working for the cia to get enough money to purchase a education and then go on to work for one of the mafia's banks or insurance companies'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'intelligence measured in thrusts'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nobody knows what education was like in nazi germany or benito italy'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe they had some good ideas'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like using your head instead of your genitals'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'most of those people that know what it was like are either dead or could care less about computers'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it says on the rothschild wikipedia page that during the holocaust they were in administrative control of the borders of israel, and closed them to german refugees'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe they want to edit that, makes them look not too much better than canada that the jews claim didn't take in the fleeing jews'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'although canada was one of the first'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and i don't see any -need- for these escort services in canada, how come the canadian government doesn't use some of it's canadian dollars in preventative measures for female's in canada against the sex trade?  they get paid for sex cause somebody did some plumbing and spend the plumbing money on school - from the person paying the plumber to the plumber to the pimp to the student to the school, all originating in the service sector which is valued by the canadian government'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it should cost about nothing at all to do that'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you probably deserve to be shot if you work for the government and think that's fair and nothing can be done about it'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they wanted to be a doctor, amen, suck the cock now you got some credit fees to pay off'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'perverseness is more important than national integrity , that's the government today'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i feel sorry for everybody with a daughter, cause they probably know the most likely person she'll be working for'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and if they don't like them then that's a hard thing to live with, not reproducing's the safest way to be'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the whore of babylon taught the women and girls to perform her lusts'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's actually possible, since the whole world's a perverted pig'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people raise their daughters for 16-18 years, spend a million-1.5 million bucks on their princess, and she moves out to the wide world of working for the government's pimp that treats her like shit and earns his living to pay his daughters school by selling yours'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's repulsive, but how it is'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in the red light district of amsterdam (soon to be spreading to taiwan i read), they got forced prostitution from neighbouring european countries etc, but the pimps earn on average 250,000 dollars per year for each one'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so if you go and snatch 30 russian girls off the street, 25 ukrainians and etc, you can earn yourself 13 million dollars a year in amsterdam money'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'with 13 million you can move to detroit or somewhere like that and buy all kinds of shit, which is probably how most people in america who're rich are rich, origins in missing children'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '13 million is 26 doctorates from a university'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't know why people even want to succeed in this world, it's sick'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'success to me is measured in how absent the current world leader is from the world'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's too evil to want any of, you work for their money and then you buy from their stores, what you do for their money is as worthless as they can make it cause they'll never pay fair'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i won't serve them in this world or the next, if i detect their presence i shut off my contribution'
T3/r6/2012-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i quit teaching myself programming and stuff for that reason, didn't go to school to get my engineering degree etc, i could sense them'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'politics.. nobody likes a nice guy there.. so, trained in flames of communication in aardwolf, do you think you could survive in THAT game?'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nope, they don't listen to logic'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no, they'll dig up all the mud on what you did on the mud and bury you! BURY YOU!'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hmm. You could swear Sonshi has been here just a second ago. You wonder where he went ...
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i was watching a show on a pre-inca civilization in south america last night, how they prospered during a 9 year drought, because they moved into the area's evacuated by other tribes while using engineering to provide water for themselves'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'what was that show?'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the guy goes on to talk about how oil is like the water of the pre-inca's, in this strategy game, whoever owns it owns society - as the water becomes owned by people who clean it and bottle it'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it was on history tv, i don't remember the name'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in canada now, the entire oil sands project is located at the mouth of the athabasca river system, which is the largest river system in north america - and they know that that travels long distances and destroys the environment'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can't quite figure out what they're out to beyond warfare with their decisions, sort of like them putting big industrial centers near the big coral reef off the coast of australia'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'of all the places they could have put those buildings, they choose one where will have a long destructive reach'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'well, you cant kill all bacteria on earth.. there will always be life here:)'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'politics and business will never fix those kind of problems or their current manifestation, the entire world will die before they change'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'everything they think about won't directly address the real issues'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they'll always build around them and on top of them'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'true'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think it's funny about this case of a conservative MP's husband from alberta getting busted doing 100 km/h through a school zone, high on cocaine and drunk on alcohol, with both in possession - instead of throwing him into jail for 6-8 months or at least halting his liscence and things, the conservative government sent a expensive lawyer from toronto to alberta to debate why he really wasn't very intoxicated or high on cocaine, and that little bit there was probably left in his car by somebody else'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the public looks at these things and knows that they would mostly be charged and things like that, but nobody does anything about it'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and what's a lawyer from toronto have to say about the municipality of edmonton?'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'too expensive to resist'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'absolute power corrupts absolutely's true everywhere i guess'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or the cbc news has witnesses who lived near weyburn saskatchewan, and seen that after the cenovus/north dakota carbon capture project was started, their water started to smell and taste like shit, vegetation would not grow on the surface and there were dead animals everywhere'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're paid 4 billion dollars of taxes a year to do honest reporting, but when cenovus's 'professional' came on to share his research that he found no direct link between the project and the death, the report smiled and nodded and really tried to sell the public opinion'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now this weyburn saskatchewan cenovus energy 'success' will be used as a basis of reasoning while they start up projects in other places'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'failure as it is, the professional opinion is it was a success, lots of land's destroyed'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'since people need water and some other natural things to survive, it'll be pretty long-reaching like the coral reef and river'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'think they'll mention that in politics?  the local MP's of weyburn probably wouldn't, job opportunities would be lost otherwise'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then they're talking about impending 9 year drought things in south america on this history tv show, how precious the waters are things like that - brazil recently lifted sanctions on deforestation of the amazon rainforest and in several places it's being clear cut to get at the gold underneath - mostly shipped to europe'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'rainforests produce alot of moisture - all around things might be more interlinked than they claim'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'gold mines produce cyanide, they mix it with the closest water source in extraction'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that leaks back into the droughted supplies of water'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i have my doubts that people in control and living in europe give the least bit of a shit about people on the american side of the world'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but that's where the money is, destroying america for money and sending them the gold'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and professionals, go to school with no money, take a loan out from a foreign bank so you can pay your government for education, watch as they give a immigrant 12,000 dollars for coming to canada as getting started on top of what they already have - then all jobs are eventually done by foreigners who came to canada to do a job that the government denied it's citizens training for because of money'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'same thing with petro canada disappearing, although there's probably more weapons involved'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'also the stock market which is foreign to canada valuing the competitors higher than canada's own company'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i like how they say on this history tv program last night that making use of what water is in south america would cost too much money to be feasible, while the camera hovers over a city full of unemployed people who need water'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'money standing in the way of people working for their own water'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they sure got themselves a wise chief'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'canadian steel and petro canada are now both owned by american corporations'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's neat isn't it?  if you see the word canada somewhere chances are it has nothing to do with it'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can't figure out how canadian steel went bankrupt, it seems alot of things are made out of steel'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i guess the owner was just greedy'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'petro canada was invented in the 1970's to regulate the destruction of northern alberta by oil exploitation, and make canadians profit from that destruction where the predominantly american businesses wouldn't have provided'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now harper extended their ability to destroy northern alberta as one of his first decisions as prime minister, removing the sanctions on a national park - petro canada got bought by suncore (across the street from syncrude) in 2009, and petro china acquired a wide swath of land in 2011'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm curious how many employees at petro china will be immigrants with a work visa, in service of their government'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'petro china is a crown corporation of china, as petro canada was, but the lawyers on television never stated why one can exist while the other can't'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'funny to think that america's working with china to dissolve canada, china and the USSR vowed to work together to dismantle america around world war 2'
T3/r6/2012-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe they're already dissolved and america is china and the ussr in leadership'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anyone ? '
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'does leviticus 20:6 refer to servant like spirits, or spirits that were of friends and family and now departed?'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'good question, i wonder how it'd be put in modern english'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'probably the hebrew or aramaic bible or other european languages has it more dynamic or clearly stated'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'well then, let's find somebody with such a book'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'somewhere in those books if you cast out one demon and fall back into what gave them the liscence to attatch to you, they will come back with 7 more wicked than them'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'no, 6 more wicked ..'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the number 7's also the 7 abominations that dwelleth in their heart - ok six'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'the original and his six brothers'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude glances over towards Saku Original.
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'this week's doonesbury is pretty unusual... you seldom see much treatment of serious issues in comics in the anglosphere...'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'wtf some soldier going into a village of non-militant afghani's and killing children and women, that's messed up'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'stop loss, for the win'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'be greatful, it allows you guys to pull out early'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's the taliban do, they kill people like iran if they don't fit into the non-emo definition passed down by their leader, sometimes there's deviances from the plan and he says he wasn't responsible'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's hard to see the difference with things like that happening'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but i thought iran was mostly supportive of shi'i views'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'the taliban arent are they?'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'staying in afghanistan was a very silly idea'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, lots of propaganda about iran might be false'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts not if we want the oil.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'since at least 1980'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no oil in afghanistan'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil well the iaea report didnt make the claims the news claims it did'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'thats not to say the iaea scientists didnt give a speech apart from the official report they submitted'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts there is in tajikistan and uzbekistan though'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and afghanistan is a good place to pipe it through, once things settle down'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'russia won't hand that over'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its already not part of russia =)'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'we have a darpa base there'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'islam karimov sure is a nice guy ^_^'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a chinese national petroleum company is the company that went into afghanistan'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if it was about the oil then that chinese company is paying royalties to an american company'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'royalties? or just a few nice bribes'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't see chinese government as being one to take bribes'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'their members are like beyond the influence of the economy, and they administrate their nation to make it more powerful (them more powerful)'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Did you seriously just say that Chinese officials are "above" bribery?'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yep, that doesn't mean that the justice system is beyond corruption though, they're still not the king of kings in the country'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'indonesia also is like that'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they take a bribe, they already have their best interests in mind beyond what they think yours are'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's my opinion on them, they're the oldest surviving nation on earth'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '(with independent governance)'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'did we ever figure out the whole leviticus 20:6 part yet?'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'You need to spend some more time studying China. They execute hundreds of officials every year for corruption.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not the top ones though'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'And the "oldest" claim ended in 1949, when the CMT pushed the KMT to Formosa.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and since they find corruption among their official unit, that shows that they're not blind - chances are the plans of those officials either exposed the plans of their masters unneccessarily or else were against their masters'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'at least a inclination towards those plans, they can be very strict in china'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'The party leader in Shanghai was executed for it. So was the head of the Chinese nuclear agency.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'both china and russia are beyond the world economy, they can produce everything they need themselves, from warfare to food'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all other nations require the assistance of one another'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'The 'decoupling' myth has been debunked by much smarter people than me.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'But the short answer is if they didn't need other countries, China wouldn't be spending billions in Africa and loaning billions to the US.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'billions are a cover for what they already have, if china went in there and wiped them out and installed their own citizens'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it would be easy for them, africa is food'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'america and the UN wouldn't dare to try china'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I think you grossly overestimate the ability of the Chinese military. One rusty aircraft carrier and a bunch of knock-off Soviet jets do not make a global force.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i never underestimate anybody'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you underestimated me'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'They have more people living in abject poverty (ie no refridgeration, ect) than the entire population of the US.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you're thinking of canadians military there'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't kid yourself, china now has the 3rd biggest military budget in the world'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'And the US budget matches like the top 20 combined.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you wouldn't be able to keep pace if they chose to escalate'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Neither would China. Look what happened to the USSR. Centeralized control doesn't work.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apples and oranges, china already dominate economically'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the strongest nation on earth is one in which it's entirety is satisfied and works to reach their satisfaction'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and USA is already practically bankrupt'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most nation's today don't give their members anything to defend, only gain is seen cause it's a job to join with and job opportunities, they're fucked otherwise'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Except that hundreds of millions of Chinese aren't satisified. And yes, the US is in debt. But that's a big difference from being bankrupt. The debt total is just over a third of our GDP.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'china's an old nation like i said'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'That'd be like having a citizen having a hundred thousand dollars in annual income, and owing 36 grand. No court in the world would let you file Chapter 11 under those circumstances.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'american debt to gdp was 102% in 2011'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it will be much higher in 2012'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are some countries higher'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'greece, ireland, portugal, italy, zimbabwe, essentially failed states'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'with a politician who can reason with the community members that debt wouldn't exist'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like i was talking about last night about the hinderance of the peruvian government to supply a firm water ecostructure for it's citizens, it costs so much to be unfeasible - but all the while they're hoving the camera over unemployed desolate humans'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think burying your head in the sand is a credible defence'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'insufficient leadership is the reason for all of the world debts'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd blame greed'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'That's if you consider everything, including trillions that the government owes itself... like the way the post office is bankrupt because they have to fully fund their pension plans. When it comes to actual "debt" that we have to pay interest on. But I was wrong too, because it's closer to 60 percent than the 30 percent I quoted.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Sorry, took me a minute to read.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as expected, polls suggest that greece is radicalising - moderate parties losing voters to far-right and far-left parties.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he far-right and far-left designation is handed out by the people who monitor society, who themselves are unaffected either way though, i watched a video on greece children who were friends with the one shot who showed a world defiant to their government injustice'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the far this and far that are perception's, who their leader is and what they have in mind is what should be focused on, what driving philosophy is there and who is there who teaches otherwise if it's not 'righteous'?'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if you want to quibble, fascist and communist parties, if you wish'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kotty Piip Dashiell: 'they're two sides of the same coin'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kotty Piip Dashiell: 'know how to tell if a politician is lying?'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kotty Piip Dashiell: 'his lips are moving.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'only in the sense that they want government control for their aims'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most of the time that's the case, sometimes they don't lie to you because they don't have your best interest in mind though, they perceive it as a better course of action'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the aims of the far-left and far-right are different, though.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kotty Piip Dashiell: 'I don't care why they lie, they're still liars.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'reminds me of hearts of iron, where the parties are grouped based on two axes, right-left and authoritarian-democratic.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'nice game, that...'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's entirely possible to be far-right or far-left while still following democratic principles... it's just that those on the ends of that spectrum don't tend to have much respect for democracy...'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it will be interesting, in a dark way, to see how many democracies will fall from the depression in europe...'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'There are theories that a 'bulge' in male youths inevitably lead to war.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the fall of the democracies this time is likely to be relatively bloodless...'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'It never is.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and hence harder to reverse...'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it usually isn't entirely bloodless, but this time it may be a few dead protestors rather than millions of dead troops, civilians, and a side order of genocide.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so what are your predictions for this round?'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'm going with hungary, greece, with an even chance or so for spain, italy, estonia, latvia.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I think Germany is going to end up looking the most different at the end of the crisis, if it ends without war.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'german and french democracy will likely survive largely intact, as will the uk...'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'really? Any reason to believe so?'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there doesn't seem to be any dire threats facing democracy there, apart from the usual small problems'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Germany continues to fufill their obligations to the EU. And it's been ok so far. But if the Germans have to face austerity measures because of poor fiscal management in other countries, it is going to cause a big upheaval in their government.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not enough to riot over... Given the economic situation, if germany gets hit badly enough for something serious to happen, few EU nations will survive'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they're doing the best among the major EU economies, it seems, and no one's making any moves towards a coup, like in hungary...'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'They're getting less out of EU membership than anyone else, despite strong support from their government. They're also doing a poor job of integrating new cultures into their society. Not as bad as France or some other countries, but enough that the foundations are shifting.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well... but that's not going to make them dismantle their democracy...'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'maybe a change of party, but...'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'don't see them pulling a hungary at least...'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Hungary and Germany are very close though, economically and politically.'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'germany to me seems like a puppet state of the KGB, since america quoted would never let germany rise again in their war campaigns and russia had their kremlin burned down - I wish the german citizens would demand the identity, location of all the orphans of the Stasi and full disclosure of their government'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one's a lot richer than the other...'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'things would be better like that, otherwise they're as cattle'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and a lot freer too'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the Stasi were very evil people, as bad as the Nazi's who preceded them, the KGB and the CIA had a hand in their forms'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'supposedly now over 30,000 Stasi members are members of German government - and that doesn't disclose how many went to other places like the UN and world bank's'
T3/r6/2012-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Sonshi, I think you're right about Hungary. I took a minute to read up on Orban and his new constitution. That guy is saying some familiar sounding stuff.'
T3/r6/2012-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'is it just me, or does the catholic encyclopedia assert that the virgin mary is a mother who is younger than her son?'
T3/r6/2012-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tsk, its st patricks day and nobody else even bothered viewing the catholic encyclopedia page on st patrick where it claims that 'god father is not older than the son . god the son is not younger than the father' ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'okay. i guess ill go quest then.'
T3/r6/2012-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'well, folks, anybody up for a debate about israel?'
T3/r6/2012-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yay israel! Always a volatile subject'
T3/r6/2012-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sonshi do you believe that israel can both persue stability in the region, and also adhere to a religious mandate to perserve the religious (if not ethnic) purity of the jewish people? or must one goal become subordinate to the other?'
T3/r6/2012-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'one must become subordinate to the other.  Keep in mind that the arabs are generally doing the same thing as the israelis are, so if stability cannot be had then elimination (conversion is unlikely) is all that is left.'
T3/r6/2012-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what constitutes "religious purity" there is debatable...'
T3/r6/2012-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what about religion isn't debateable?'
T3/r6/2012-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sonshi no, it really isn't debateable... any more than it would be debateable in iran what constitutes religious purity there'
T3/r6/2012-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the world suffers from an endemic of TMI...http://news.yahoo.com/gps-tracking-disaster-japanese-tourists-drive-straight-pacific-172043575--abc-news.html'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yep, germany sure was in a healthy state of mind to be doing business with since world war 2.. Mr Gauck was elected by an overwhelming majority at the Bundestag on Sunday, easily defeating his main rival - former Nazi hunter and journalist Beate Klarsfeld. She won 126 votes. - you can learn alot by who their main rivals are, whether or not that's any indicator of health on either side'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'at leasta he's a priest'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade is obtuse this sunday -- explain the significance of the "rivals"
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're descendents of the people who erected the berlin wall'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Mr Gauck is reminiscent of a Mr Gluck '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not mister glock though, that's too acute'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't think their names mean much, otherwise the president he's replacing would raise more eyebrows'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'apparently julian assange person's trying to get into politics now that he's shown how inefficient everybody elses is or something, probably be the next movie star'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'some would say he was always involved in politics...'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Druzil, seems odd to hint that Beate Klarsfeld the Nazihunter journalist was a descendent of the communist Berlin Wall builders'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not at all, research what's known about the Stasi and how they occupy over 15,000 seats of authority in germany after it's dissolution in 1991'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so you are maintaining the some jewish nazihunters were communist descendents of oppressive berlin-wall builders (but were they overseers or the slave labour that built that berlin wall)'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'The Stasi chief Markus Wolf described how he set up the Cuban system on the pattern of the East German system. -- so name's aren't important like i said, but this one's stikingly similar to the president that just got replaced'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you are going to smeer jews and germans, names are important'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they smear themselves with the words on screen from encyclopedia and history reports, and having an opinion on those reports is your version of smear, drawing conclusions is against the law of superior race jews and italians and other breeds'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you boil it all down to racism, that's funny of you'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'basically you attecked the jews by labelling a "nazihunter journalist" as a descendant of those that built the oppressive Berlin wall'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'oh really, somebody elses label is my label - that's nice, you'd call that perjury in other places'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe you like to turn on history channel some time and watch an episode of nazi hunters'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they seem to have free reign across the world hunting down the nazi, as though many actually survived world war 2'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade is too cheap to pay for a history channel propaganda outlet
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like these military forces of columbia that are employed by the oil company to protect their interests having the governments support against the enemy who fights them'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're not even the governments military, they state that plainly in the article'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Jon Stewart criticised the History channel'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-17419412'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'The soldiers killed on Saturday belonged to a company in charge of protecting oil installations and roads used by petrol tankers.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'those oil company's are pretty evil when they have nobody to answer to you know, tough to choose sides in an opinion on a matter like this'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a army to protect a oil company, not people'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'supported by their government'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you are going to cast aspersions (against jews), be sure to state the accurate facts and not slander and libel, especially if you are in Canada'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'deport me all you want, racist jews own about everything in toronto'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who's that one jew lives on wall street had autographs of gadaffi and a bunch of others'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lives in a humble abode, just got autographs from all the people who make the news'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'did you hear the news about the attitudes of males in Alberta -- a lot of males there support abuse against females'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yep, i'm not like them though'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not like just about anybody, only thing we have in common is a body that's temporary'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '14% of Alberta males believe that "No" means "yes"'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '40% of Alberta males believe that sexy-dressed females are asking to be raped'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '90% of albertan's aren't even a generation into being albertan's, plenty from somalia and other area's of the world'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '10% of Alberta males like to abuse and physically beat females'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15642297 see that's strange'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'claims to be a simple man but is a jew for one, that seems to give him the ability to attain souveniers from people who don't provide them for anybody else'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems as though Alberta males are mysogynist sexperverts (by association and tacit support)'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'racism's the core belief system of the world, jews, italians, arabs and chinamen'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all others are second class citizens in western nations'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a percentage of Alberta males believe in beating up females that have sex with other men'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'go find a bank not owned or paying one of those races for it's existance'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe , just maybe, russia has one'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but i don't think there's any others'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but they're mostly ruled by members of one or another of those races too'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'from what i could see'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people are perverted everywhere, from trying to become a doctor in corporate law school to trying to sell shoes at the local pervert's son's shoestore'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's no place where you're not exploited on some level, unless everybody's too scared to pull a fast one on you'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'society is ran by counterproductive pigs who are a blemish on the face of evolution theory'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they wouldn't be able to exist in a natural world as they do, the absence of nature is the main concern of world industry and this is no mistake'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'says there that they infiltrated all levels of university and government and law, any industry that's profitable to their organization, which was based around the crimes of the nazi's'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how many people schooled in germany at some point in time are valuable members of your society?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they can dig in wherever they please, like the KGB doesn't exist but two of it's ex-members are heads of a rogue and a legitimate state'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Druzi, seems that the labeling of society leaders as "counterproductive pigs" is "counterproductive", unless you are praising reminding and encouraging the society leaders, like a loyal sycophant quisling seeking favor - (1984 speak: "counterproductive pigs are pro-productive when society leaders)'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'making an observation isn't making a label, either they fit into it or they don't, that's a matter of personal judgement'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(the 1984 ministry of Druzil)'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they know what they are, as it's written in the bible 'the servant shall be known by his work' what kind of person are they, do they produce good fruits?  cast out the unprofitable servant'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the bible's a rebel handbook if you want it to be, but that's just some verses that make my observation legitimate in it's context, as a priest becoming a president would discourse'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "observations" from the (1984) ministry of Druzil seem to be encouraging and praising the "corruptions" (so lovingly) described'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the definition of profit and it's similarity to prophet are also matters of personal judgement, although groups with labels hold firm beliefs'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'whether or not i praise something's also a matter of faith, it's tough to detect what's actually there beyond what you want to see there, i agree'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sometimes i say things how i see them, i discuss the mindsets that i see as flawed and provide alternatives, without the mind the body doesn't usually follow, so it's important to understand'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'common assumptions they sell to people to believe and why those are probably not correct, whole bunch of things, acne cream and liver disease'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do they bother to independently test things before they allow the company to advertise on mass media now?  course not'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nothing's proven, there's one of those servants and the minds i discuss'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Druzil, your allusions to the bible as a "rebel handbook" seems a "so cool" --> "get hip with the bible as a rebel and be cool" -- is the cool rebel bible where the Alberta males get their misogynist attitudes --> "females were created by god to serve as sex-slaves to the sexual desires of males"'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i see sometimes they do good things, and sometimes they might have good intentions but have people like the chinese government or others threatening to kill them and their family in an accident if they don't do things correctly, so they stay within their boundaries and regretfully do against their original intentions and society thinks the roots aren't deeper than the obvious'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then again that whole assumption process could be forged in some instances, lawyers are great excuse makers'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm open minded'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(sewage in, sewage out)'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't care much about the battle of the sexes, i'm not much of a relationship person myself, haven't had a friend in over a decade'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it pisses me off, every time i seen a woman being abused in my immediate vicinity i did intervene if i detected she was innocent, so i'm not too guilty of that'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'sewage treatment processing plant -->  sewage in, clean water out'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't hang around people much though, it just bothers me to see people who should have learned the consequences of being a bully at a younger age repeating that same adolescent mindset with adult consequences and getting away with it, the principle is infuriating'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't do things like that cause i have a conscience that's with me everywhere i go, what's your excuse?  successful person like yourself thinking he's better than me, you must have some kind of satanic shield against your own ignornace'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'where other kids would hit eachother, i realized that i can't hit them all cause that wouldn't be enough and stuck to hitting brick walls instead, nobody gets hurt but myself and the consequences are mostly neurotic'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i never did find the source of my anger, but it's there, like cadmium in paint or fish hormones in french fries'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'In the area Elemental Chaos, to get to the wind area you must stand in the proper place and jump.  The description tells you that the only way to avoid the flaming trees is to jump, so perhaps you would want to jump.  However, typing jump ordinarily does a custom social, and there is no clue in the MUD that jump is anything but a custom social command, since you won't perform a jumping action ordinarily.  How are you supposed to infer, with no outside help, that typing the word jump is a valid solution for getting to that part of the area?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'read the room desc like you say it says to jump?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'I know that because I cheated first.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'start with KISS then work your way up.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'is that how every area in the game is designed?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'by that methodology?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you mean by reading room descs to get the clues?  No.  Some use mobsays, some use specific actions, and some don't really put their clues anywhere near the puzzle beyond "somewhere in the area"'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a good example of that last would be the word of Neptune in Atlantis.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'Of course not, many room descriptions will have things that are just as apparently clues but are meaningless.  If I go to another area, and it suggests the same thing, it could be just flavor text.  Or it could want you to actually 'jump over tree'.  Or it could be 'jump over flaming tree'.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'How do you know which schema is being used in the area?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'people think this shit can be figured out, I want to know how you figured it then.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'start with KISS and work your way up.  Jeez, you really don't pay attention, do you?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daagar: 'Some of it really is just guessing'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'most ALL of it is just guessing'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'but not blind guessing'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'with no direction implied or one that you can infer'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the exits command is covered in the academy, by the way.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'no, not blind guessing.  I can actually read room descriptions, listen to mobs, and figure out what to do'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'there is no custom exit for that room that I used as an example'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and so you can pretty much figure out where to try your guesses fairly easily, right?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'Obvious exits from [ Inside a Chaotic Valley ]: (truncated) Jump           : Caught in the Wind  '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'there is no way other than to know to type jump and only jump, and that the area designer put that in as a clue, not as random flavor text, and that the word that he used was what you were supposed to type.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'really?  there is no other on the map...let me check that'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there is'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'fuck, you got me there fellas.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'that was a bad example.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'I guess that means that every single thing that I think about the AQs is crap, or might as well be.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'anyway, you can get prostitutes in Masquerade Ball.  The clues are all there, so figure it out!'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in most of the goals I've done, the clues were adequate. Can't comment on the ones I can't do.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'without using the cheat that was graffitied there'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'many of the newer areas are quite decent, actually'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'some were kind of syntax-guess-y though'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'syntax-guess-y is what I am trying to say and everyone is pretending like they never thought it was unfair'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daagar: 'It is the nature of these types of games. Ever since was back with Zork and the like.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'Yes, but Zork has something called an implied context.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's not, because most people see "syntax-guess-y" and just randomly turn off their brains.  The clues are always there.  It is a longtime rule of building.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, there could be a few improvements to some of them, yes, but most of those I've figured out weren't that bad. It's just that the ones that are, seem so aggravating that it feels like they're the majority.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'there is only so much that is acceptable in Zork to do, so you know what will or won't work, what is and isn't an action, what the game will or won't listen to, and how it determines it'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's not unfair. again, there's no place that you are guessing with no info. if there were nothing for you to figure out, it wouldn't be a puzzle, and people who want puzzles would be bored'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and zork becomes solved within hours...aard has players here who have been playing consistently for decades straight'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unlikely anyone could 'solve' zork within hours'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there was this time I had to talk to some villager about a change in diet. Tried everything I could think of. When I finally guessed it it turned out to be a single, really obvious synonym that most people in their right mind would've tried first. sigh.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'actually I had problems with the hurdy-gurdy guy in BZ for a while...could choose to kill either him or the dust bunnies :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'is zork like that zonk game with the megaman like robot flying dude?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'early text adventure'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'so how did you figure it out finally abe?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'actually, what I am curious about is how you would know to beckon the prisoners in ST/Ships, when no mob in the game follows you when you beckon'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'don't remember, was hella long time ago...I just remember that I could shock the bunnies with static electricity, but that destroyed something else'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'how do you know, right then and there that that is what they want?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'actually there's about a dozen goals which use beckon'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'no kidding'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it think it is mentioned in the mob desc too'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at least for some of them'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'but 99.8% of mobs that you try it on would give you no clue whatsoever that you could ever even beckon them to do anything.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'context, Mushin.  When you finally reach the point that someone needs to follow you, what's the typical first thought?  The follow or group command, right?  Because that's what we players use to do the same with each other.  That usually doesn't work for mobs, though, in much the same way we tell mobs things via the say command rather than the tell command.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"social follow" is a pretty narrow list as well...and much more narrower is those within that list which would make sense'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '99% of the MOBs in the game won't follow you no matter what you do'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, only the mobs which you can do it on would give that clue, typically'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'that's what you do with players, of course'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'but no regular mobs ever give a clue that they even respond to a beckon.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course not...'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'because they don't'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'no regular mob says, "I don't want to follow you.", so you don't know if it even worked or not'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nor should they'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'when you use beckon, do you truly want us to believe that you don't know what it's attempting to do?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'you get the same response from a player or a mob if you type beckon...nothing, unless they decide to follow you, and you know that a person can see and understand the command'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'actually, I think there's one that does.  I can't remember where, though, and I can't remember if it was a recent thing or not.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude drops everything and trots drooling after - Mushin.
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'cuz if you're saying you don't see it as a way to get someone to follow, your entire argument is invalid cuz you don't have the mental capacity for any of this'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'no, I want you to understand that the game doesn't tell you anywhere else that a mob *might ever* follow you if you beckon it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Zork that required "american baseball knowledge" to solve a puzzle was not "fair" to those that were not sports jocks/nerds'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'that it could ever be a viable solution to anything.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the game does, as was mentioned'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'you have to understand that the person who built the area expected it to be.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade with the internet its not hard to acquire such knowledge'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you not finding/seeing something is *NOT* the same as the game not providing it'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daagar: 'Um, Zork preceeded the internet by a bit '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there was no internet in 1985'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'if I beckon a mob, what does it say?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'You beckon for (mob) to follow -- sure hope they do!'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'same thing it says if I beckon a player.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'if I go beckoning most mobs, they will do nothing, same thing as when you do a social that is meaningless.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and by that, you're telling me that you have no clue that it's something that could possibly be used to get someone to follow...'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'help socials'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'there is no differentiation between that social and any of the other thousands of meaningless socials in the list'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daagar: 'If there were truly no hints, no one would have ever solved the goal. That would be a clue for the area builder to add some.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'because nothing else follows you in the game'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that pretty much shows that you don't have the capacity to reason'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'when you beckon it'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I think his argument is a bit more basic than that, Abe.  He's not yet even reached the possibility phase.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'no, the game does not set itself up as the sort of game that works like that, unless you are in an area where someone has made it so'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'are you saying that there are not enough clues in sea witch to let you know that you're supposed to lead the prisoners?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'nothing normally follows you'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'the prisoners at least give a verbal clue that they want you to lead them out'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'I get that'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'self now follows you.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'good, so you get that your argument is invalid...now we're getting somewhere'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'no, beckon doesn't work on anything normally'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'why would you think it would work there?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'because you know how the designer thinks, so you know that they expect beckon'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'another area, you might well say "follow me", and then they will follow you'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '(1) beckon is used to follow...(2) most MOBs don't ever follow...(3) you agree that prisoners let you know they want you to have them follow...'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why are you even in a position to get a mob to follow you?  That, too, isn't really normal.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there's some pretty followable logic here'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'beckon is used for PLAYERS'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'not MOBS'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sez who?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'says who?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'socials may be used on anyone, player or MOB'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'says the way the rest of this game operates except in a few areas'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daagar: 'clearly that isn't true, since you just said beckon is used in that area'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'but they do nothing'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not true, mushin'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'socials can target mobs, you know.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'I know, and they do nothing mostly'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hanslanda slap bitchy
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they "do" the same thing to players as they do to MOBs'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'same with saying random things'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oops'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when some game-buyers realised that infocom was not playing fair, they ceased purchasing Infocom games until the independent Infocom walkthrough books were on the book market  -- and even then when they did buy the games, they were from in the discount bin and/or in anthology packs'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'a mob is a program with an unknown capacity for action and listening'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'a player is a human being'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't recall any such issues, Zade'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'it isn't the same socialing mobs and players'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there weren't any...it's zade'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'you are talking to code in one and a person in the other'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it isn't?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You beckon for a questor to follow -- sure hope they do!
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hanslanda beckons a bitchy-looking Michelle Rodriguez to follow...hmmm what's going on?
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'if the mobs in this game responded normally with anything at all when you beckoned them, then it might be a clue that that could work in a circumstance where it was suggested'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You beckon for Sonshi to follow -- sure hope they do!
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'it does that for players or mobs'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'a player not listening gets you the same thing as a mob with no trigger in it's code'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what's the difference between the game's interpretation for my beckon to sonshi or questor?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'it is exactly the same'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'you get the same response'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'right, so the game treats them identically, thank you'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'sonshi might listen'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and a MOB might listen'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'how do you know that they might listen'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'how do you know that that is in the valid range of what mobs want'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daagar: 'Because you try it'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'in the solution set'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you've already agreed that the game made it clear to you that the prisoners were supposed to follow you'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'but it's how to get them to follow that isn't clear'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so it is an entirely, fully, logical thing to try'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'when sometimes it is a word and sometimes not'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'again, if it told you exactly what to do, it wouldn't be a puzzle...it's *FUCKING SUPPOSED TO BE* a puzzle to solve'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'it's knowing the answer and not knowing how it is wanted to be worded'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'figuring out the answer is a puzzle'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'figuring out the context to phrase your answer in is annoying'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daagar: 'The state of AI dictates that there will be some effort on the part of the player to figure out the syntax needed.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so you get to declare exactly what bits are allowed to be puzzles? how nice of you'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'no, more like what mobs will listen to'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'when they want you to say something'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'when they want an action'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daagar: 'Is the word 'beckon' _ever_ referenced in the area?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'given how synonyms work, does it have to be directly referenced?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daagar: 'It doesn't, but if it is, his argument becomes ever weaker'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daagar: 'I would concede that 'beckon' probably isn't the first synonym to come to mind for follow'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in order to play Infocom games, the first step after purchasing was to remove the copy-protection and play the game from a high-quality floppy (or a harddrive) (those original Infocom floppies were dirty - ruined the floppy drive heads). Also, later, an independent kludge program was used to Infocom games -- so that both arrow-keys and backspace were usable'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'beckon isn't a synonym for to follow...beckon is the request that they follow'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they were not copy-protected, zade'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'which no one acknowledges'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most information on how to solve area quests and goals seems to come from players who already know, there's quite a few area quests that are possibly too cryptic to be solved individually'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'NO THERE AREN'T'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you wouldn't type a synonym for follow, cuz you're not the one following'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'just kidding, a few are completely out of hand'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Even I figured out that beckon was the way to get a mob to follow you, and I'm not a native speaker...'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there was some form of copy-protection there, since i used to remove that protection'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i never had to, and i copied them for all my friends'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you probably slid the write-protect slider on the floppy :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'giving a mob an item isn't unfair I wouldn't say'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'The brig is filled with human prisoners. You can recognize most of them from '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'your interesting walk through the Tempest. There is no doubt what their fate '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'son of a...never mind'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'no there's no beckon there'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'and they said let them follow me, they already can, there's no need for a command for that'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'psychological oppression, genetic psychology, people who done nothing wrong being blamed generation after generation and becoming the enemy they were called before birth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2JhdswkO6o&feature=related Introduction to Psychological Warfare '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude peers intently at The Imp Druzil.
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil but abe lincoln said that opression was wrong!'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'while also subjugating the southern states.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not much has changed since then, just the perception of what's coming is missing again'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'okay. '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they mortify a philosophy they employ forever and blame it on germany'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'well, germanys do make good villains. way scarier than russians'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'doesn't work like that, black people, asian people, indians, white people all use the same techniques'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'really? you mean indians arent all like gandhi  ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, if somebody's written about in history i don't automatically think of them as a hero, when the society of hero's is subjected to demoralizing enslavery'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oh cmon, at least we're not like the corsicans and sardinians giving out lethal drugs to the elderly so that we dont have to feed them'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude peers intently at The Imp Druzil.
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'except in oregon'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and under obamacare'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'aristotle supposedly thought slavery was a neccessary part of human society, he's about the number 2 philosopher taught in university'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'shrug, monism is cooler ..'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and Romneycare'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade but romneycare doesnt kill people, it sends them back to heavenly father'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lethal drugs are fed to people every day, viagra, cialis etc, all of those drugs have some side effect that is deadly'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'even the paint on childrens toys in macdonalds had cadmium added, which decreases bone density and messes with the bone marrow, causing leukemia'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil but isnt it healthier for bone than fluoride?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'also - chlorine isn't added as neccessary, water sources aren't protected and preserved requiring that treatment is everywhere - chlorine causes chloroform when coming into contact with some bacteria - that's a anaesthetic that makes your head sleepy and could possibly assist in the development of mental diseases and alzheimers, epilepsy, etc, regulation of body functions from an internal clock'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a tvshow recently warned viwers that Romney is supported by the mormons and the mormon deathsquads'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'chlorine was also used in world war 1 to gas soldiers on both sides - they died within 3 days of asphyxiation'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'drowned in their own lung fluids'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil that sounds fun, teach me to make chloroform'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'asthma and that cystic fibrosis might be assisted by chlorine, people inhale the vapor from swimming pools and boiling water for instance'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all of those things are un-neccessary on their levels, if knowledgeable water treatment was taught to whoever wants to know about it, then they would know when something like that is neccessary'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'also, big industry would be avoided in area's where people require water'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'untreated water is also able to be dangerous to health'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they're led by real people'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it can be, not all water was always bad though, that's a more recent development'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'usually it was isolated to area's where sewage mixes with the water in large quantities, like cities'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'wait, you mean if i boil water i might get chlorine in the air?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'wouldnt that problem be solved if i just used a gold man to which the chlorine would bind?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'pan*'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil sewage isnt so bad unless it contains needles you can treat it quickly with sunlight and heat'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'to neutralize chlorine in water, add a drop of clear ammonia'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'buuuut ammonia and chlorine make mustard like gas'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade that wont work'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it's better to bubble it through lye isnt it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i wonder what chlorine in water does to urine in swimming pool water'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'there's probably some kind of chemical reaction'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in the newspapers watch for signs of the intelligently designed chlorine dependency - like rural municipalities being force fed city water because a large hog operation had leaked pig shit into their water table'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'where they could have placed those animals in smaller hog farms more dispersed to avoid one approach to the problem - but that's contrary to greedy'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or away from water sources that they intelligently destroyed'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil but pig shit is good for the grass'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil actually, a lot of pigs are fed hormones now too'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'to clear a severe chlorine gas spill from a house within hours (instead of days even with the windows open), release ammonia into the air and leave the house to vent a few hours'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its kind of neat, the pig shit has a lot of extra sulphur, which means that its not really as much of an issue for the water table once bacteria have a chance to break it down'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade, how buoyant is chlorine gas?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Bullshit'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling no, pig shit'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'And under what circumstances would there be a 'severe chlorine spill' in a common household?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling, meth lab'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The ONLY time you would have chlorine gas in your house would be if you mixed a strong acid with hypochlorite.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'In that case, just ventilate the room.  Done.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'actually you're wrong =)'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, I'm not.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you could be mixing table salt with oxalic acid, and get chlorine gas that way too'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm surrounded by nothing but fertile land and empty space, cows graze ehre and there - but the butcher claims beef is hard to come by these days - who's this man who moves into my area buys out all the farmers and makes beef that fed on it inaccessible to the locals?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Please explain to me where the average person would get oxalic acid, other than a chemical supply house?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or you could be using salt water as a cooling bed for your meth lab, have a spill, and then it will also release chlorine gas  even as a dissolved salt and no ta hypochlorite'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'to cure mild chlorine inhalation, after venting the lungs, perhaps breath air with some ammonia -- at least you won't die slowly in a few days .. maybe sooner or not at all'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's more than one so it's hard to say, but it's a little strange to be real'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling, its sold at target, lowes, walmart, home depot, and leather and silversmith stores'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's no reason why a pig farm has to be adjacent to a community - '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: ''barkeepers friend' is a popular brand name'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I had a flask of chlorine and chlorine dioxide blow its stopper off in the middle of the night in my bedroom, all I had to do was put a fan in the window and open the window in the bathroom, let it run for half an hour, bingo, fumes all gone.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'back in the old days and still in some places people still keep a few pigs each in their community, they're called primitive cultures in today's happy meal though'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling not everyone has the same humidity as you do'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling why was there a flask of chlorine dioxide in your bedroom and not the kitchen where it belongs'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You, sir, are retarded.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'chlorine lingers and adsorbs into organic materials, then the organic materials slowly release the chlorine back into the air for days'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade yep.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'although it also binds to gold.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Because I was in high school and was young and stupid, and decided to mix bleach an HCl.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling ah cool =)'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'any ideas on how to filter hcl to a higher purity?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No it doesn't, Zade'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You chemistry ignoramuses need not comment on anything relating to chemicals, you know jack shit, please STFU kthx.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling, you're the one that thought oxalic acid was not sold over the counter for 6 bucks for a 28 oz canister at target'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so which one of us is ignorant'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Eat shit and die?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you all are'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'pig shit or bull shit?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Both'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its frightful to think that a pyro could just go to target and then grab some scrap silver plated materials and make silver oxalate.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ammonia and chlorine produce a more reactive "chlorine dioxide", which though deadly in high concentrations (or longterm slight exposure), does not linger'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The point is, chlorine fumes are no big deal provided you have adequate ventilation, i.e. a fume hood, or are otherwise cautious to avoid and limit your exposure thereto.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade what about pig urine though? thats not ammonia its large nitrate compounds'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling true, provided you have adequate ventillation , and are not in your home meth lab'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The flask popped its stopper, I got gassed in the face, I opened the window, set up my fan, opened the other window, bam, fumes gone.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling 'fumes gone' and ' chemical gone' not the same'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Vampiredude, you are a recognized troll and general idiot, why am I even wasting my time on your sorry ass?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling, you interrupted our discussion about water purification and pig shit.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if you dont intend to contribute, why not go bother someone else'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'chlorine fumes in a house or downwind are poisonous because chlorine lingers - venting won't work fast enough in a house -- and exposure to lingering chlorine for several hours shall cause severe headaches and fever (allergic reaction)'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Nobody gives a shit, STFU kthx.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade it also irritates the mucuous membranes'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil, anyways, getting back to the pig shit...'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seen it happen from mixing industrial strength cleaning products'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Chlorine does not linger, it is a gas an obeys the same rules that any gas, including air, obeys'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It will not last long in the atmosphere, it is too reactive'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it stinks for days'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts i've seen it happen from mixing chlorox and diet coke'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and venting chlorine to downwind neighbours is nasty'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade the county here considers it a fine-able noxious fume'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Tigernuts, if you are referring to bleach, that is because hypochlorite decomposes to yield chlorine gas over a long time period.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it also decomposes quickly in the presence of UV light'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i.e. sunlight'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Just... shut up.  You are an idiot.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling, 'help ignore' '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: ''help blood pressure ''
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a part that bothers me about it is mothers bleed that stuff and inhale it and that gets mixed into their blood which gets fed to their babies in one way or another, and foetus's are pretty sensitive to their environment while developing'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: ''help load_up_a_.45_and_put_the_gun_in_your_mouth_and_pull_the_trigger''
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i never seen a serious scientific study on birth defects/lifelong ailments and things man did to the environment of the citizens'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil so then why not just dump our trash in some third world country instead'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'like ohio'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling, you gonna buy me the ammo?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If it means you shooting yourself through the mouth, then yes, I would gladly finance that.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or are you just another chick that expects a man to be there and buy whatever you want.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's a funny saying, actually cbc news posted a link of 140 million tonnes of garbage washing ashore on b.c's coastline from the japanese hurricane last year - and lately they seem to allude that's one of japan's ways of disposing of their waste'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not so sure about places like japan and china, they seem to import most of the minerals of the world and stockpile them, mostly not from their own land'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'well, nothing like a bath to get one clean'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so who gets the trash?  the people they bought it from'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'whatever a canadian company is said to do, remember that canadian steel and petro canada are only canadian in name, one's owned by an american, the other by suncore energy'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil ok you've convinced me to not drink the bottled water from japan... but what's a sound alternative? making my own? '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Starling, after a severe chlorine gas attack in a house, the smell of chlorine lingers for at least 12 hours or longer with the windows open'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade not if olfactory fatigue occurs'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i wonder if maybe starling suffered brain damage from that, and it affected a previously sunny cheerful personality'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'like with those jewish survivors of gas chambers that had disabling health problems afterwards'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude hugs Starling.
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the severe headaches and fever symptoms are an "indirect olefactory clue" to those attempting to sleep in a supposedly vented house'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the media doesn't even mention things like acne cream resulting in liver disease in the 1950's and 60's'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil why would they. advertizers pay for news'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but they sell at least 30 new beauty / cosmetic products in a year, experimental, even the government doesn't confirm how it works or verify it's safety'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or that's just their excuse when one's revealed'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'well, supposed to be a free media isn't it, freedom of speech and all that, privatization of that right doesn't make much sense to me'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think it's good to have a nation full of people who are aware of their own functioning and critical over their own and their superior's actions'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a million sets of eyes is more accurate than 1'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ammonia clears lingering chlorine fast, and the residual fast dissipating chlorine dioxide is far less dangerous than lingering chlorine -- the colors of the curtains and other organic materials in the house may fade slightly '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why's there a shortage of psychiatrists?  is the school just that hard, most of them come from the middle east and asia?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i fail to see how a canadian can't comprehend brain chemistry and psychological theory'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think it was a canadian born who pioneered modern brain chemistry'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'You also fail to see facts.  Like how there are thousands of canadian psychiatrists.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'dual citizens, immigrants mostly - i seen alot of doctors and very few are canadian'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'leinei i've never met a canadian psychiatrist'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lots come from america though'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm canadian see, but a foreign government paid for you being there'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil the last shrink i met had the same name as that quran guy and i think he was an immigrant based on his accent and difficulty forming pallatives'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And I've never met an american psychiatrist, an asian one, a european one, or a latino one.  doesn't mean they don't exist.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you don't come from a place like china to operate on peoples brains without working for their government, comparing the success rate and amount of fortune relative to the status quo'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'obviously canadians aren't less intelligent than other people, but according to the jokes Americans like to crack about them, they are'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'leinei i've never met a communist psychiatrist.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're not all assholes, but the principle that canadians can't be their own professional's and doctors and stuff bugs me'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hmmn. in communist russia, psychiatrist analyzes you ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'it's the accent, is what it is'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there is some possibly, but i think mostly being a doctor of any sort is working for a group that is separate from the community'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil in a consumer driven economy, too many suppliers is a bad thing'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'otherwise they wouldn't hide knowledge and the ability to succeed behind so much money'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'people from the south are the same mix of intelligence as anywhere else in the US but they are thought of as dumb because of how their accent sounds'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nations build themselves from the inside out, otherwise they wouldn't have existed in the first place'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mushin and because of the way the chicks wont keep their legs closed when clothed.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in small quantities, chlorine is more damaging than chlorine dioxide -- in large quantities, both are deadly: chlorine kills agonisingly slow, chlorine dioxide kills far faster.  where possible, recovery from chlorine is slow due to lingering residuals, recovery from chlorine dioxide is fast (due to the absence of residuals)'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they don't import people from outside to do other but communicate and teach, and provide a place within themselves to live along the standards of those already there'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'are you going to complain about that one vd?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mostly in the media now and the government they change standards, and those changes cater to segregation of the freedom's of the whole'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil isnt it good for canada though that rather than finance the training of intellectuals and doctors they can force nations like china or india to finance the cost, and then reap the benefit themselves'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it is very expensive to train a doctor, why not just hire a doctor that's trained someplace else... no need to invest in local students'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they use war on terror in afghanistaniraqiran places to justify imprisonment without trial of anybody in america and canada, indefinitely'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'financially, but bad for the spirit of the country is what it sounds like'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'spirit of the country? seriously? what's next... caring if trees get chopped down?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's how distracted the war they keep going made them huh, focus on world vision and ignore yourself turning into them'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'morale, you know...it's the difference between Japan in the 80s and Japan now'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'the country wanted to kick ass at working, and then they didn't...what changes that sort of thing?  it's subtle'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'which japan had more morale?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'did they lower the taxes on privately owned televisions?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, still $200 a year for a tv'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil if the polar ice caps melt, imagine how valuable canada's land will be'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, i don't believe people who try to minimilize the reality of the affect of holding a flame against a block of ice, or coating it in oil - or the proof of their attempts at every disaster to cover up it's existance in the first place without cleaning it up until they have to because it wouldn't be cost effective otherwise'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cleaning up disasters means job creation.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now in the far north where they're going now, setting up shop, they got their land deeds and their coca cola polar bear farm photo shoots ready - nobody at all will monitor them'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not the military satellites (which are being replaced with corporate satellites) nobody'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its like if the fraggles didnt wreck the buildings, the doozers would be unemployed'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no eskimo's or nothing, media is being centralized and controlled, and the mail is going extinct'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think anyone cares about global warming'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'the thing about global warming is that the Earth, devoid of human intervention, has massive timescale climate change cycles that operate on a similar timescale to the length of time that we've been civilized, so there is that as well'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'phone lines can be dropped with ease in a remote place like those'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'but whether or not that has much to do with it, it's stupid to treat the Earth like crap'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hmmn want a land deed'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Land deeds are stupid, and only drive up tp prices.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is nothing you can do to save the planet, so save your breath and enjoy yourl ife'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, the earth that nobody here has seen, only anthropologists and geologists'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling, how many tp you want for your deed?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'philosophers of a past not witnessed'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'well, you might as well chuck most of our science if you object on those grounds'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they don't dig up oil rigs from the ruins of niniveh, they do find residue on vat's they believe were used to pour hot oil on people though - that was freestanding oil in tar pits'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mushin do you think that god made the earth?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if so, is it right to claim ownership of it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or is it held in trust for god, the way the amish do it'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'I'd side with held in trust'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all that stuff accumulates to disasters that didn't have to happen, and what if doesn't exist in their science, they're correct all the time except when they ignore the doubt that i pointed out'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'not even a theological point, more like the best way to think of this planet emotionally'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'how you approach what to do with it'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil tar burns well too, hmmn'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'because mine is a question that they can verify or conclude false - theirs is a belief system that provide's the problem that wasn't all neccessaryd'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'not don't use it, but use it with respect'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's alot of alternatives and mixtures of energy and resources, including human resources, that could have avoided most of the problem's in the current world'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and then only a asteroid strike or other unavoidable thing (either way) would cause the destruction seen on a daily basis here'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'well whether or not we are leaving or entering an ice age now, and if that has to do with global warming much is debatable, but that the Earth changes on a large timescale, I would believe'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'but still it's pointless to let that govern you, when you just treat the planet like you care about it'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i sort of hate people who talk about heaven and paradise and work for this world turning it into the opposite'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're just doing their job but they coulda been like me and stood back instead'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're like somebody saying sorry when they have a knife half way into their best friends back, pushing harder and harder, slicking and twisting'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all the while they do that and they think they're making the problem better'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in their own schizophrenic little world'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'more like, pretending like they don't know what they are doing'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'until curbed are the desires of humans to overpopulate until the ecology fails, the "planet and world problems" are not "avoidable" -- the human race is a disease'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'schizophrenic little world is a good way to put it I think'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you two can help the world by not breeding'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'we're not a disease'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, that's possible, but if they're just pretending what kind of beliefs do they have?  some deity, vengeance on some long dead enemy?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'we're just not grown up yet'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'religious overbreeders are a disease'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'the ways that pain, fear, and ignorance work in people is always strange'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any overbreeders are a disease'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'you might as well say that teenagers are a disease'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'teenagers -are- a disease'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'that I would say is an effective distillation of the ridiculousness of the sentiment that humankind is a disease'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that sentiment is not ridiculous'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most people seem highly stupid to me, although smarter than me when it comes to interacting with one another and getting through the world in society - they just seem overpopulated with vanity with their minds in the clouds while their bodies serve in hell'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'sure'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'good thing we all thought otherwise about you, so that you could have some time to get seasoned, right?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'or maybe I should go back in time and shoot you in the head to save us from the disease?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think it's amazing that some men are able to continue going on as they are after some of the things i seen done, some of it's too much injustice to tolerate to me - at least showing some anger - alot of mental illness today might be caused by repressed feelings and absence of justice in the world'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'if you're a teenager now maybe you'll offer yourself up for euthanasia?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the phrase "highly stupid" seems like high praise'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'here's a fact:  anything that you can't tolerate will control you'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most people if they see something horrible they do anything to escape the memory, otherwise it can take them to a very dark place - but not acknowledging reality is the medication fed by some religions and media, even psychiatrists in multi-hundred million dollar institutions teaching reforming criminals how to think'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'this applies to every single human being that ever lived, or will live'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Druzil does not yet seem to comprehend (at a deep level) what "justice" is'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i see a difference between justice and law, the court finds the rapist with 500 billion dollars not guilty, they didn't even find him in the first place'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"justice" is (also) a form of "evil"'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Druzil does not yet seem to comprehend (at a deep level) what "the law" is'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'depends if you think the god of the bible is a man-made kingdom and it's kings will, or like samuel the prophet pointed out he hated himself for having the status in israel that his children became their king, which were wicked men'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'laws are mostly unneccessary'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"the law" is (also) a form of "evil"'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if a prophet's saying he hates himself for the king who writes the law existing, then god must be something older than them and theirs'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'it is'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'laws exist for safety, and social order.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, they don't'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'yes they do'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'laws exist for the elite to continue to dominate everyone else'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'that's called ' social order''
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'better than having no recourse at all against gross mistreatment'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in the bible in several places god exists to rally the people into the purposes of the king, even calling cities he is besieging sinners that are resisting the will of god, the priests go along with him'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he's the holy king that samuel hates'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not social order'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'but not the only or best way that goodness can exist on this planet'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'that's what its called.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's misdefined'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'maybe it's just function creep'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"blessed are those that hunger for justice, they shall have their fill" -- aka "depart from me ye cursed into everlasting torments"'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't believe god to be much of a homopsychological mocker of reality'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really need to return law to being those that protect a person and his/her property from the actions of OTHERS'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if i'm going to have a concept of creator he's going to be as true as can be'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'here's the thing about God'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts that's simple, in america landowners can put up fences and use guns'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'reality is inescapably made of mind and 'objective reality''
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bibles are works of fiction to fool the populace into serving the upper class'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'and because of that, there is God'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rest of us can't'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'in nevada, if you have the right cash, you dont even pay property taxes'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if the bible does confuse you, in the bible is stated 'god is not the author of confusion''
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade, if thats true, then why was the main commie sympathizer a priest, in the jack london book' the iron heel''
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil the bible doesnt confuse me, much like a robert jordan novel it has people performing miraculously powered feats that modern day men dont perform'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and Jesus said  "what is truth"  and gave no answer to that rhetorical query (except silence)'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i pointed out that the word god isn't always directed towards the almighty creator concept though, the twisted mind of a king is the negatives you have in mind'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pointless debating god'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the priests and king working together deifying the king and his will like the government on earth etc, media priests maybe one of their tools'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'the God thing is actually quite simple, once you come face to face with Him'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they done this exact same thing since ancient egypt from what i could gather, they used to sacrifice human beings to dead pharoahs become gods after having them memorize a message'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mushin yep! but in the charleton heston film the ten commandments ( not his best film ) he said that its given only once to man to die'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bury virgins alive in their crypts so they can have some fresh servants in hell'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'implying that men only see god after death'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and how does a religious parroting fool know that what the bible says is true: "the bible says that the bible is true"'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they done that all before, today's different only in incarnations of those end results - alot remains the same in the overall methodology'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'well....that is...true and not true, in a way'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'you can die without your body dying, but when your body dies you'll see him also'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade there are a few parrots like that here, i asked them what about this passage here: and then they said oh the answer is here, and then they looked through the entire book of john and didnt find the passage they were quoting (because they made it up)'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so i stopped chatting with them :('
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but they were still super polite'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bible was written before thrush cream'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it was written later, there'd be far fewer burning bushes'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'bible was written back when men could perform miracles'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'the structure of reality was different back then'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'now, what we can do and imagine, what we know of reality is way different'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'imagine living in a time where power was being good with a sharp object'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'how do you think you would see things if you were literally born then?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'trippy'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mushin it's called high school'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'yeah but think of how high school was when you were in it'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you can imagine till the cows come home, sometimes you gain valuable insight from comparing imagination to reality and dissecting your thoughts'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'of course it's juvenile now, looking back, being 'wiser' and 'smarter' and knowing 'better''
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'but at the time, it was what it was'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil, learn 2 english plz. it's ' til' the cows come home'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'what you are just talking about was something that only sages and wizards knew back then, druzil'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"how do you know that part of the bible is true" --> "god inspired the bible" --> "how do you know that God inspired the bible" --> "the bible said that god inspired the bible" --> "how do you know that part of the bible is true" --> (repeat circular nonsense from the start of this statement)'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mushin in modern times, being extremely wealthy is valorized like being a perpetually adolescent child in a candy store'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'freedom from responsibility, all sorts of toys and instant gratification'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'definitely it was not systematized in any kind of fashion like that, like it is supposed to be known'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'much like an abortion or a good lawyer, you can just cut or rinse off any problems'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'the whole nature of thought was different'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but back then, everybody had to work, from the czar to the serfs'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't like how the modern world attacks people's minds and makes them afraid of being mentally ill, they base almost all selection out of a persons mental acuity as judged from somebody else, job is a side effect of group doing job's similarity with employee'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if they tried the systems we have now there'd be a destabilization of currency and a lack of labor to match with the lifestyle of the elite'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'it's like, now we think of anatomy, physiology, biology, physics, when we think of if someone could take a sword and chop something down'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil that seems reasonable.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people pick on retards all the time, they think they evolved but they look for flaws in eachothers brains and pick at them, whether it's there or not, neurosis can result and psychotic reactions, lots of things'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'but back then, it was what spirits you embodied, the size of your rage, the power of your heart'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it used to be being homosexual was a problem, before that being an atheist, and before that being a communist'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you can actually program somebody's mind to believe itself ill where there is no actual known illness existing'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'because it wasn't split up, they didn't have to think of it like that, they just were'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but nowadays we need a new sickness to cull from the herd, why not cull the mental types.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and i see an awful lot of that on the television these days'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil really? i got bored with tv it made me feel like i had to learn ebonics '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i still don't know what a shizzle is.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i seen alot of it in school too, pretty much everywhere i go i watched, i'm not blind just observant of different things than most people - i pay attention to what i find important at the moment and try to understand it so i can move on'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'and now, when you have a thought, you have so much society, culture, and literature to compare it to'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'back then, think of how many thoughts you would have that would be forever lonely'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'I mean, there's a lot of things to take into account when you examine the past, and the people who lived there'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'these one job wage slave world systems and stuff are all denial of that, as little diversity an individual has the greater that is for their master'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'my grandpa is a plumber, a mechanic, a iron worker, a welder, a operator, a electrician and numerous other things - he was born in the 30's'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil that was based on a tax system though.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'the serfs were kept poor because they paid taxes. if you didnt want taxes you needed to run your own shop.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'that hasnt changed.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'trying to reason with druzil, let me get my popcorn'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil does he need an apprentice, i have a bunch of spare time'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'any of those trades today is a 2 year course in itself with long apprenticeship, he has a bunch of them - that's missing from just about everybody you see in a day, beyond menial tasks that are relatively easy and the odd ones who teach themselves'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'averan its cruel to discuss popcorn and not share'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I have popcorn too!'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I'm glad I'm a cruel man'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil well part of that is to ensure a uniform level of skills in the industry'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'averan oh, you're a man? you need a haircut bro'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Stop pressing your world-view on me'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'averan why? is yours made of glass and apt to shatter?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hmmn. for some reason averan, you remind me of that guy in the song ' annubian lights' featuring adele bertei'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its on youtube, but i am too lazy to link it'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think the governments main purpose as it exists today is to solidify the citizen's dependence on themselves with the disguise of independence and make sure that independence is made impossible in the future'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'no, they are just trying to hold together what they essentially cannot control'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's pretty accurate, druzil'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'in any way possible, scared shitless that things might explode'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mushin, the way you speak makes me wish i had a small boat like salvanas does'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'can be corporations or whatever, they're all the government - a real government by the people for the people would have as it's crowning acheivement the motivation towards making their members a self-governing whole'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'seems reasonable to me. Everyone wants to guarantee their job. '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'as long as you can set yourself up that people will keep voting you in, you've got it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'of course, their members are glorified tax-frauds and welfare bum's playing shimmy today, but by members i mean the citizens that hold them up'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'I said I would like a boat. :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic do you think that the book 'a connecticut yankee in king arthurs court' 's model of economics aptly portrays modern ecomonics in industry and employment?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'the whole 'welfare bum' thing is a giant myth through-out most of the world'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil indeed, thats my argument though, is that a currency failure will occur if the labor force is too aware of how the other half lives'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'some people on welfare are bums and some are people who have been put there through shitty circumstances.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'myth?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'averan most welfare bums i meet are fat chicks with 3+ kids and a meth addiction that get food stamps cards and sell them at half price'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I've met some bums, thanks :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'most countries welfare budget takes up a tiny fraction of their budget'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'there's bums, and there are people who are not concerned about having stuff'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'the regular bums i meet arent on welfare, they're too paranoid that the government will dump them in a camp or psycho bums'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that's not the sort of people I mean, mushin.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '40% is a tiny fraction, averan?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: '"Most" countries'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'for*'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'whoever made being the government a job is an interesting person, administration of your tribe or people sounds like a natural course of nature that people would have done voluntarily'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'ya I gotcha :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'your insane welfare spending is a symptom of your other giant problems'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'and putting it off on "lazu people" is ridiculous'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil indeed, i would be happy to be a senator making only 40k a year'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a stupid thing to say, most countries have citizens that live in permanent poverty'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nobody seems to know exactly who that is, but that makes them even more mysterious '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you dont gotta pay me 150k to do that job'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, you know what i found funny, is that welfare cheques to poor unemployed people don't fluctuate with living expenses as a member of american governments living allowance does'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil its called ' COLA ''
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if the cost of living raises to 500,000 dollars per square foot, they'll have that covered - but mister welfare will have to move elsewhere'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'congress had a bill go through to freeze senator's cola adjustments until we fix the budget'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'or when the minimum wage is raised 30%, and the welfare rate stays the same as it was 15 years ago'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'always makes me laugh'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil i hear in england they give housing vouchers for welfare recipients to stay in posh neighborhoods'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'I heard a theory that in the future, our whole economy will be like Alaska.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't get vouchers, they pay the landlords directly'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'Joint ownership of resources that pays out.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mushin alaska gives you like 1400 a year if you have a drivers license'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's one of the reasons we have an overinflated housing market'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts it sounds like i should enjoy being a landlord rather than a tradesman of any kind'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'yeah, from the oil pipelines...everyone owns them, so everyone gets a stipend from it'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'which is stupid, why the fuck does a welfare recipient need to live in London where it costs 30592359059235023523 in rent?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic where should they live instead? dachau camps for german jews?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, you'd need to actually have the land to be a landlord...'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'if we had automated production, we'd lose jobs, but if we moved to a stipend economy, it would be doable'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I know that problematic recipients (drug addicts/alcoholics) have their rent paid directly from the government to the landlord here'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's probnably not the question, majic'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'while other people are just given the cheque'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'abelinc okay, well, let's figure out how to get me some land'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the question should be, why should welfare recipients be -paid- over the odds to remain in London'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'places where housing is cheaper, yes.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts should they be deported instead? like german jews?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'concentration camps for the poor!'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where would you deport them to?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'averan it worked in oregon'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts how about romania? thats the way the french do it'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: '?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only if they're from romania in the first place'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a better question is why are they on welfare and what alternatives are provided by london?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts eu is eu.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'everybody can be useful in some way'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think you understand how the EU works, vampiredude'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'eu is eu? really...'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'The EU works? Hah, that's a joke.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil that's an excellent question. if the curreny's value is centrally controlled, why doesnt the government train people instead of welfaring them'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people who feel useless have a low self esteem and often turn to drugs and other things'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't be 'deported' in the eu'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the mind and body thing again, government not acknowleding it's reality'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'that's obvious...if you're good for nothing, you might as well get high'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'is it economically more viable to treat welfare recipients like old people waiting to die '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'everyone can be useful in some way if they want to be.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or is there a prejudice that they wont work even if trained?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'true majic'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic really? but what if they're unhireable'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you seek to blame drugs then you've lost the argument before you've started it'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'one you're locked into the poverty thing, improving your lot in life is very very hard'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'the trick is to get them to realize it'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: '... unhireable?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'getting any kind of meaningful job is impossible'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'my mum's neighbour who has never held a job for more than a month or two certainly isn't very damn useful.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'besides, "hired" does not encompass all of "being useful"'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'salvanas yes. for example if they were ugly, or had a felony record, or were child pornographers, or had mental defects'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'presenting yourself correctly in the workforce is a learned skill'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as the world is rigged now, it doesn't matter how much will you have to succeeed, you'll fail at every step of the way'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'he keeps getting fired because he no-shows when he's hung over.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that The Imp Druzil person again...
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'salvanas okay, but what's more important in solving a welfare question'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'everything from proceeds of crime and criminal enterprises to legitimate jobs have no room for most people'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'so yes, he could be useful, but he has no desire to.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'being hired.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, ugly people can't get hired'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic i'd like to be useful! hire me.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hell no. with the way you fucking argue on here i'd tell you to go paint the barn red and you'd argue for a week that it ought to be black instead.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'abelinc its true in practice though. ugly people get hired last.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'just like fat people getting picked last in school sports'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you'd be more hireable if you weren't always looking for the quick way out...'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'Now now kiddies. Play nice.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic, well golly gee, looks like you lose the argument.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'clean cut people can't buy drugs'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'gotta fit the scene'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'Besides, you're both wrong, it should be pink.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i had a desire to be useful, and you said no, you're unhireable'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there is discrimination against fat/ugly people.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'There are plenty of clean-cut dealers, and buyers'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'well yeah'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, vd, you have shown no genuine desire to be useful, just a desire to not have to go out and do the work of finding a job.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'but a certain look will get you pegged as a cop'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'averan my neighbor even shaves his head.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, she said she wouldn't hire you'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic oh, okay. so people have to prove that they truly desire to be useful, not just try to get a job?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'saying you want to be useful isn't demonstrating it'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you sound like a scientology nut'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'essentially, yes. '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'abelinc ok, how do i demonstrate it =)'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'get off your ass, would be a good start'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'being on here isn't doing it :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i'm standing now =)'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Because if you hire someone who's a waster, they steal shit and waste your time training them as well.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't bother, vd'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'A job is not a be all and end all.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic okay, so your prejudice is ' if yo uwanted a job, you'd already have one''
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'having a job is pointless, vd, don't bother'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'therefore all people receiving welfare are just 'lazy' and are therefore unhireable, cause lazy people dont deserve jobs?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'bootstrap yourself up!'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'um, no, that is not what I said.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic, sounds like your prejudice is irrational. but to each their own'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'you have to really want it, and then it'll all work out!'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'No, her "prejudice" (whatever that means), is that you should be looking for a job if you want one. Not whining on here about how someonoe should give you one.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Suddenly, Salvanas.
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: '... i think you want the word "premise", btw.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'averan, yes, thats what christains say'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'almost nobody is going to give you a job sight unseen over the internet.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'how do you 'look for a job' if not asking someone to hire you'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'this isn't the place to find work'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'is that a semantic loophole?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'How do you know he's not been out looking for work?  Do you expect him to look 24/7 and have no rest time?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic most job applications are done over the internet now. '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"if you wanted a job that did not kill you, you'd already have one or be dead"'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why on earth would you want a job, vd?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts because i am bored not having anything to do but study?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I know from extensive conversations with him :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and again, I might offer someone *else* a job, but not the person who's demonstrated a desire to quibble over every single detail. because that demonstrates that I'm not going to be able to tell them 'go paint the barn, the paint's in the shed' and have them do it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so go volunteer'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'Averan, put it this way: Whining about how people won't give you a job isn't really marketing oneself.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he'd rather work out asking stupid questions like how to purify water'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic so, you see, in other words, some people are unhireable. and i win my arugment'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"if you wanted a job that did not damage you, you'd already have one or be crippled and maybe on disability"'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'I'd say it's pretty counterproductive, if you're actually wanting to find a job :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'the nice thing about having a job is that once you've done your part for the world, when you're off your shift you can tell everything else to fuck off until tomorrow at least, if you want to'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: ''cause debate channel is where  you have to market yourself to find employment'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'abelinc, druzil convinced me that my drinking water is not healthy'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'some people are not able to be hired due to certain personality traits.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic and therefore, in london, they would get welfare'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if they do not alter said traits, they will remain so.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'and you can't do that when you're unemployed, because people bug you about not having work and blahblahblah'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and its only right, because they're unhireable'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, personality traits are something that prevents a person from doing a job, i don't like you isn't discrimination - '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they're not unhireable'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's the bosses right until the boss owns everything'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'no, they should become hireable.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'abelinc ok, am i hireable?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they choose to not be hired'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then the boss is somebody trespassing against the rights of everybody in the future'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'abelinc so tell me how to get hireable.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woman in the UK was on incapacity benefit because she'd broken her wrist.... 15 years previously'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'Nope. But if you're trying to make a point about not being hired, and show the personality traits here that would make any potential employer turn and run.... well. :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if you present yourself in job interviews the same way you do online, probably not. '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'the workforce is set up a certain way, which you must play...it's not just about being willing to do a job'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'step 1, don't be an ass'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'step 2, see step 1'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'there is definitely a face that you must craft for finding work'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"whistleblowing" is a "personality trait"'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mushin thats what my druggie neighbors that live off government benefits say it, 'play their game''
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm not a clown, i don't ware fraudulent personalities to get jobs'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'when i wear a fraudulent personalities cause i want to, usually to make a point indirectly'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'not having that face put together is bad news for finding work, no matter how much potential or talent you might have'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I have a hard time getting and maintaing employment because I have an anxious personality, lots of fidgeting, stuttering etc.  Should I just magically change that so I can be hired now?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why should your neighbours work when the government will just take 60% of what they make, and then prevent them from doing anything with the rest anyway?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like they've nailed it, really'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'some people are that, they fit right in, some people need to work harder to conform'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'averan yes, like flipping off a light switch, because nobody here will actually tell you what you need to do'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't believe in conforming to another human's mould for depersonalized lives like mind'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'much like that song about ' fronting' and michelle pfeifer, they can't teach you'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'magically? no. But you can seek jobs where it is less of a handicap, and if it's genuinely that bad that people can't understand you, perhaps you should see if the government can provide you therapy for the anxiety.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'no, I've been previously unemployed for 10 years, I am not averse to work, but it's hard knowing where to look and how to talk to managers, and what to do when you have no previous jobs for 10 years'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'Well, if you want to enter the workforce, you should attempt to play by the workforce's rules. Not ask it to change to suit your personality :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil the real question though is, if your personality is type A, and not type B, can you get a job meant for type B's'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i am who i am, they got a problem with that maybe their building should burn down, i don't hurt anybody do i?  that's more than alot of them can say'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or do you need to aim for jobs designed for type A's'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'for example, hiring someone who stutters as a museum tour guide would probably be silly. hiring them as a postal worker would work just fine. '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'you have to be what they want'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why do i want to conform to the mould of a bunch of killers?  i don't worship them or want to be them'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'salvanas indeed, but what are the rules.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Suddenly, Salvanas rapidly nods twice at Dispel Majic, in complete agreement.
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's too bad, cause that's slavery, and i'm not a slave'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't hire black dudes, they shoot people'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mushin, right, you have to be what they want. they dont want an unemployed welfare recipient. they want a hard worker that'll do work well'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'll serve god if i ever meet him otherwise something i believe in that isn't a human, unless that human isn't demanding my conformity'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'therefore all the people on welfare, are not hireable'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't hire white dudes, they beat up black dudes'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'I am a hard worker'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and will continue to be'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'I'll paint your barn whatever color you want'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'Also, for people who don't do mainstream well, or who are trainsitional in their career there are plenty of "menial" jobs you can do while trying to fidn other work.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if they're not hireable because they're not hard workers, that's tough shit.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'but I don't look good from a hiring perspective'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hard workers you walk about'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'when I just dropped out of school and didn't have a high school diploma, I went down to the nursing home and got a job as a CNA. they paid for my training.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic then you can't reconcile your statement with the argument about welfare being a bad model'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how about when communities were places where everybody contributed and ate the fruit of their labour?  one person can lift 20 pounds another 250'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'e.g. i letterdrop catalogues, and used to work as a shelf stacker. all i needed to do was a phone call and leave my details'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, I was on welfare, and now I'm not. So your statement is false'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'how old are  you majic'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'eventually when I got tired of looking at old people's buttcracks, I went back to school.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so the 250 lifter should get 13.5 shares of 20'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'at what point in time did that happen'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'abelinc okay , when you go into a job, do you tell people you were on welfare, but want to get hird anyways?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'hell no'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'jobs are easy to find if you're not picky'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah well, there's that and then there's do what you want to do to provide for yourself and your community, we don't have room for selfish people because they are who kings stemmed from'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'exactly, because there is prejudice against welfare recipients'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: ''bout 14 years ago at this point. but a couple of my acquaintances have gotten hired for the same job recently.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'stating being on welfare isn't part of the interview process'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its easier to get a job if you lie on the application'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'after adolescence if there's not some traits of those personalities eradicated from their personalities, then there's a unproductive member of society, whether or not he's valuable physically'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't need to lie on an application'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'abelinc here in the states you get asked questions about everything from sexual orientation to ethnicity.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Well you're pretty much forced to lie though Abelinc'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'no one will hire someone who has been on welfare for the past four years'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'work on your qualifications, take unpaid internships, part-time, get in somewhere'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'Nope. You lie, you're just gonna get burned later when they find out.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I told zero lies'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Suddenly, Salvanas rapidly nods twice to you, in complete agreement.
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'okay, unpaid internships make sense.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but working on your qualifcations takes money.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's just no room for somebody who would rape your wife and your daughter living next door to you and contributing to the society you pay him to live in, whether he does it through money or otherwise'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'might be easier to get one, not easier to keep one.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mostly that's how it's done now'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or someone willing to teach you for free.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'doesn't have to take money'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'so you do monkey work for a few years, while you work on them :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'salvanas or you sit on welfare for a decade while you work on them'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'since we're already on welfare, use the programs available'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'stack shelves, or scrub windows. '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even if you get a good job, you won't be able to afford your own place'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'If that's what it takes, yes :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'abelinc i'm not on welfare myself.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might as well do monkey work or live on welfare'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts well, how do you get to the afford your own place level instead'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're in equivalent programs'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not that i see anyways, who likes to live next door to a person who's physically violent and threatens you for what you have or else he'll send in the sheriff to take away your things?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's a ware across the ocean that we're keeping you safe from'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't get to that level, vd'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'abelinc no, i'm awaiting appeals for eligiblity for equivalent programs =)'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and they get their ships and guns and stuff from somewhere you're not addressing'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only those who already have the level of wealth, or who will inherit it can afford decent housing'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts what good is being a rat in a maze if i dont ever get the cheese'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm glad the irony hasn't escaped you, vd'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's written in shakespeare novels king john and other stories where soldiers of britain go to war in the holy land of jerusalem to die for god'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no point'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'look where american soldiers are now, pretty next door and near aren't they?  i find that too accurate to be odd'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'life has been ruined for the masses by the elite cliche'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the badarses'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'It's easy enough to get a job in construction VD, and move up there.  What's wrong with that work? Perfectly respectable, imo.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil dont worry, most of those soldiers are not going to be able to afford to be in a state of grace when they die'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'averan actually i applied, they told me that unless i had experience in framing that they couldnt use me'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they said they only wanted people with experience'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they didnt even get into asking about health problems'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'that's framing'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'that's above even skilled labour'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'Aplpy for another, and not something that needs framing skills :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'you have to go to school etc to become a framer'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'start as a labourer'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'and work your way up while gaining skills'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'salvanas i do apply.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but it seems that i lack experience and training.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'damnit i applied for a job as a truckdriver and they told me they only wanted people with CDL's. how discriminatory!'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'if you're young and a good worker, a trade will eventually pick you up'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wanted work as a lesbian'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic i ran into that too, except instead they said they'd put me on their management track as soon as i paid them for a cdl course and signed a 4 year exclusivity contract'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'then they wanted 5 grand for a cdl course.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and i didnt have five grand =/'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or a cosigner.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'swift trucking =/'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i imagine there's alot of bad people and stuff over in the middle east as there is everywhere else, but like sending food supplies to africa which has plenty of irrigated fertile land to provide for itself, which it's own government doesn't provide for it's citizens, this fix won't result in anything long-lasting, except resentment and funding/a drain on yourself that goes to a solution that is prevented from existing from within'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'way tldr.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil it helps open dialogues.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and how many people die for it?  the economy might produce alot of soldiers, if only all them machines didn't take all the jobs huh?  maybe free trade agreement too, money in general's pretty corrupt from the coreo - demonized in the gospel, blamed for innumerable atrocities in history, worshipped as god still today even higher than life itself, and resisted in transparency and fairness in all economic structures for the citizens of a nation since probably it's foundation, but more recently lenin's interview with the cia operative in 1917'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'way more tldr'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'although the cia might not have existed then, he was called military anyways'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil re-homing is what's needed. rehome them jobs'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'durzil bye the way, did you ever notice that cia hires truck drivers, janitors, and then every other job there requires a masters degree or higher?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and they pay their truck drivers less than the nypd plays their officer recruits'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude peers intently at The Imp Druzil.
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you want to earn $$, become an escort'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'hey VD, you can be a flagger for the state with minimal work to qualify'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts the only guys here that hire male escorts are gay, and i dont want that X.X'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'that's what my brother's girlfriend is doing, and believe me...if she can get a job, you can'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you aren't hard up enough, then'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'believe it'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mushin actually the state requires a medical and background check, and i cant pass the medical'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'oh that is lame'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they start out paying flaggers at 15.40 something an hour'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'volunteer at a drug testing lab'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts i did, they said they wanted people with phelobotomy coursework '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'exactly, man...that would be relatively easy and decent money if you need something now, if it weren't for the medical...'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'set up a sideline flogging fake vodka'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its actually located right next door to subway resteraunt'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'consult with your local tech school, they have ways to help people who are trying to get jobs. my mother got some help from the state right after the divorce when she hadn't worked in years, to get a qualification.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they're hiring managers there, but not regular staff'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'donate sperm?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'oh for goodness sake. go ask someone if you'll wash their shop windows for 10 a pop if you're that hard up. can't say you need a medical for that :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic yep, i did, i even talked with itt and nau'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'she's physically disabled (broken back, severely arthritic wrists) but she has a job now.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they all want me to take out loans and take 2 years of coursework first'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'after 20 years of being a housewife :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and im okay with loans, but i can't afford to study for 2 years.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so get a regular job then'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the cna course I took was 3 years.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'er'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '3 weeks.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'salvanas yep, i can probably handle some windows'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what've you been doing the past 2 years?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not years.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but 10 bucks won't get me anywhere.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'get a shelf stacking job at $12 an hour'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'debate abelinc filling out forms and filing form 9's'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'It'll get you a start. Which is more than what you'll get applying for jobs you can't get at your level.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that attitude is what makes you unhireable'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts i cant, doctor said i cant do the lifting/bending/stooping that requires'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'abelinc the attitude of trusting my physician makes me unhireable?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so get a job in stock control, or on the tills'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts i tried, they said that all their cashiers start out as courtesy clerks (stockers)'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, the attitude that working to get $10 doesn't help you'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'So go clean some windows then. Clean 3 windows a day, $30, a week - sundays, $180. That'll cover rent food, and a bit extra to save for a college fund. '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'working for 10 dollars a day doesnt help me.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'more than getting nothing'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nobody said $10/day'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'abelinc sorry, but even my math skills are not sucky enough to not know that.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'It'll do more than you applying for and not getting jobs :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts said ten bucks a pop'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'jesus christ, salvanas, i'd love to buy food/rent where you live'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'I would go for $10 a day'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you only clean 1 window per day?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: '...and I said that, and $10 was an example.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'salvanas the cost of supplies alone would diminish that ten bucks, let alone transportation there and back'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'it was an example'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'Well I understand why you all provided a snap judgement of VD earlier'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mushin right. and that example wouldnt be worth it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and that's what makes you unhireable. Because you have the attitude that 'i can't do anything''
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'Diminish, yes, but you'd still make a profit, and hey, IT'S STIL MORE THAN YOU NOT GETTING JOBS THAT YOU APPLY FOR. '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'when I didn't have anything, a friend of mine paid me to weed her garden and help her move boxes in her house'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic, sorry for not wanting to spend 20 dollars to make 10'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'done.  I am not below that'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'And yes, it's an example. Charge whatever you think is fit (within reason) :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'don't think anyone suggested you spend 20. '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mushin right. i dont mind odd jobs. but most of them are physical'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sell sexual favours'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Averan.
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'majic good grammatical point, how much do you think it costs for rags, a bottle of windex, and transportation?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'a bicycle is cheap on craigslist'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you didnt think. so you insult me. way to go'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'Data entry for your local mom&pop store. I mean, we already know you can sit in front of a computer. :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mushin i've been pricing bicycles for a while, yep'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'salvanas yep! i applied'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'i don't think anyone was suggesting 10 dollars a day. rags = free if you have a friend (debatable), windex isn't that bad, and you should start near where you live.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'plus it's getting into spring, so the weather is ok for biking also'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but "the position was filled by another applicant"'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: '... then keep applying.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i do!'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'collect aluminium and steel cans'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'success consists of trying one more time than you fail.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts cant, doctors orders, no lifting more than 20 lbs'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'cans weigh 20 lbs?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'abelinc i dont know how much they weigh, but i know that to make the cost of going to the recycling center which is 23 miles from here'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'worthwhile, i would need to bring in at least 48 pounds'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'my point on the supply chain doesntmake it economically viable unless i had a car'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'well, you might have to take one of these unworkable ideas and kind of wedge it in there'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cars cost, on average, $10,000 a year to run'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'and then put your shoulder into it and then hammer it in there until it fits'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts which means i'd need even more pounds'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'soda can aluminum is going for 27 cents a pound last i checked.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'too bad you're not in a state with a deposit on cans'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'So go buy yourself one of those little trundle carts that grannies use to go shopping. There you go, your 20lb problem solved.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'not sure i'd do any better'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'that's how they motivate people on the margins to clean it up'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'turn gay, because black, convert to islam, and get a disability, yhou'll be guaranteed a job'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts a lot of people have been suggesting i convert to islam, its apparently pretty popular in my area'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, you do seem the kind'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it would make the random screenings at the airports more fun too'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'islam will not help you'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'And this is where I sign off. Either you're trolling, or you need professional help to distinguish between serious coments from facetious nonsense.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Suddenly, Salvanas glares at Tigernuts.
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'then why'd you say that :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I don't know much about Islam, but if Ahmadinejad is anything to go by, I'm gonna guess becoming gay and islam probably isn't the best of combinations, if you have a choice.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'Good day.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'leinei shrug.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hand the channel back to Druzil'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it seems a lot like christianity to be honest, do these things and then all your worldly problems will be solved by gods or angels'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '48 lbs * 0.27 /lb is 12.96, less cost of gas to travel 46 miles'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Well, according to him, there are exactly 0 homosexuals in the Islamic Republic of Iran.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade thats travel by car.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'not travel by bus.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'leinei there's a lot of iranian homosexuals in oklahoma'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they come here to study , drink, and get laid.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'avoid them'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll get dinnerjacket cooties'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts i dont have to, when i tell them i dont drink they stare at me like i'm from home =p'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'honestly though, i think for the money, that i will be better off getting an education than trying to bootstrap anything.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'the margins just arent there.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its that or start a business.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'educations are pointess'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pointless*'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they look nice on a resume though'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just use a nicer grade of paper'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i already am using a nice grade of marble paper.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it cost me an extra 1.58 a ream'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sell a kidney'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but the problem is, no manner how nice of paper, they still have to like what they read.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts no good, i take so many pills that my kidneys arent valuable'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why you need to be from a minority group, in order to get preselected for an interview'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts as a veteran i am a member of a minority group: just not a minority group selected for affirmative action'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'learn how to synthesize speed'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i already learned how, but the bottle is too heavy for me to burp, remember, 20 lbs'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just sit on welfare'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's what you're trying to justify anyway'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i watched a bit of a show on how jack daniels is made last night, 3 years + it sits in those barrels (custom made from white oak iirc), before being bottled and sold'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'no, i'm just arguing that some people are unhireable, its not just lazy drug addicts on welfare.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'mmmm jack daniels'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i wonder what the guy who invented whiskey drank while waiting for his batch to brew'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil yeah =) makes you thirsty doesnt it'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts besides, since i'm not on welfare, that wont work'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so go on welfare then'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Druzil is advertising whiskey'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i cant. i either have to make false statements as per title 18 us code section 1801.... and defraud the government, or i gotta have a doctor write a letter saying ' you cant work because of X''
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'get the letter'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i cant. the v.a. doc's wont write those letters'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'get a non-v.a doctor to do it then'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'can't! those doctors want money'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the guy that killed those 16 pre-terrorists avoided becoming a crippled vet'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'yep!'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade he apparently didnt trust his uncle sam to take care of him'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the people who knew him said he wasn't the type of guy who'd do that kind of thing, i'm not sure what to believe but the common judgement is he worked alone is is solely to blame'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he did you all a great service'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil its not exactly rare for a soldier under stress and isolated from home to behave erratically'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'his actions will speed up the withdrawal from afghanistan'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i hear during the vietnam era soldiers used to even shoot babies'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, death can weigh heavy on the mind when surrounded by it day in and day out'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil shrug, i wouldnt mind being around death all day'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it costs a lot of money to open a mortuary too, hmmn'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you guys think i'd make a good funeral director?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'budget on wednesday, you watch the arsehole put fuel tax up again'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tiger, are you gonna vote obama this november?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i seriously doubt it, given i'm not american'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'that didnt stop people last time'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i were american,i  would'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would have voted for Ron Paul, but the other 3 republican candidates are war mongering weirdos'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that i wouldn't vote for, and nobody really in their right mind would'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is that an adequate answer to your question?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'really? i was thinking of voting for romney since obama never had anyone respond to my letter'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'voting based on whether they respond to a letter doesn't seem terribly sensible'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'VD is contemplating voting for somebody intending to be less charitable to the poor than the current incumbent  '
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade the current incumbant hosed my educational g.i. bill benefits'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more to the point, he's considering voting for an idiot'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts why would an idiot not best represent me in office.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he fails to understand problems'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and applies flawed morality to reality'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts so do i?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'largely irrelevent'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'why would i vote for someone that is not going to represent me.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nodody represents you'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'then why vote.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't, there isn't any point'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts, you seem like you're not a good mentor'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'vote for the least worst'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm telling it to you how it is'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'zade: that is the american way'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's the best way to get elected...base your campaign on "At least I'm not him ---->"'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you live in a country of 300 million people with 1 president chosen from 2 candidates, you acn't expect either to represent you'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best you can hope for is to vote for someone who is capable of doing the job'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or, in the case of your motley lot, least likely to fuck it royally'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hmn.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so only 300 million people vote?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't say that'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nevela: 'tomorrow I will go and buy myself a new phone (leaving my work soon and need to return the cell they've issued me - Nokia E71 - god riddance) should I go with an iPhone or Samsung Galaxy S2?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'galaxy nexus'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'smartphones are evi'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '+l'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nevela: 'i see'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'GALAXY NEXUS'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why say that if you don't believe it?  it's obvious that they are evil in that they're being integrated into school curriculum's everywhere filtering the thoughts of people, are privately managed and who knows what data they collect - are built with insecurity in mind funding a industry in people who will patch the holes in security, and aren't produced locally'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nevela: 'felt, nexus is a bit too much for me'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all that stuff wouldn't have happened as early as 25 years ago when regulations were still enforced and things monitored for tricks'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'druzil, shut the hell up.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nevela: 'druzil i agree yet i have to have a smartphone so i can ssh to servers and email/game on the road'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'quit making the obvious look like a joke to think'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'fallacy of golden age thinking'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might want to consider not sitting in the road gaming'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps a bench on the pavement'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nevela: 'never as the driver'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nevela: 'oicwydt'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'tigernuts here they arrest homeless people for visiting parks after close.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then don't sit in a park'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nevela: 'nor park in your seat'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's not a straight security company on earth, no independent contractor (from the UN and NATO to your local private businessman) who doesn't do more or less than his job entitles him to, that's why those things should always be handled by people within the nation you live in who understand how they operate and aren't afraid to explain that reality to people - the entire world is dependent upon very few people to supply those things, and those people can get away with anything they want'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's no reason why if your country has the minerals to build the devices they don't and sell it for cheaper - except somebody foreign came in and removed your independence'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil but what if a uae run port security firm costs less'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: '"Who doesn't do more or less"'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'scientologists do more for less. they call it 'abundant exchange''
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thanks to the weak pound, gas dropped just below $9 a gallon again'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you're on welfare you don't have a choice, if you buy something for next to nothing you didn't pay the people who produced it, but wage slaves and people who might never get paid are abundant anyways'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's funny really, how the poor in a rich nation feed on the poor in a poor nation getting worse, the rich don't suffer on either end, the one with the poorer people probably profits greater'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'wah wah wah, i'm schizophrenic and need to babble to try and communicate my message to the OH SO RECEPTIVE audience of aardwolf.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't care how receptive you are to reality, being blind is national religion from everlasting to everlasting, and einstein isn't sure about that'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'I don't want your reality.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'of course not, it's too much to handle'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'There's a reason you're supposed to be taking pills for that.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'good luck getting un-crazy, druzil. I don't see it happening any time soon.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'your brain seems alot less superior than mine from here, but perhaps the doctor told you otherwise'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Boba Felt ruffles The Imp Druzil's hair playfully.
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe you want to come and stand within me and show me this contrast of self that you perceive the significance in'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'Right, like you need more voices inside your hea.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'head.'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'at least my head's not silent, that can be a bad sign, although who's watching?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my head's voice is saying 'coffeeeee''
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hey druzil, do you think emf from transformers and power substations can harm plants or people?'
T3/r6/2012-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'several irish-looking politicians want to permit more irish temporary workers to receive permanent status in Canada by reducing the temporary term from 10 years to 1 year -- and then the St Patrick Day riots showed what an upstanding contribution the irish are going to bring to Canada (at least the rioters were not setting off murderous bombs IRA style when torching cars in London Ontario and St Catherines)'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '?'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'this is where pedants go to masturbate'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'define?'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'pedant: one who is pedantic'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'masturbate: to pleasure oneself'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and pendant ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'pedant'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yes..'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'one who is pedantic, overly concerned with rules and trivial details'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'arguing endlessly over minutiae'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'OK :) hold on '
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'this channel is where pedants go to masturbate'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Loaf-shitter:  A dumb cunt whore breeder bint bitch moocow slit bitch who gets knocked up and shits a loaf which is then foisted on the rest of us in public places.'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'wait this is a rerun'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'my TiVo said that it was a new one but I've already seen it'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's not my fault that breeders suck ass.'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Breeders and/or wannabreeders such as yourself.'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'yep I'm changing the channel'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Admit it, you just want to knock up a girl so that you can prove to the universe that your dick works.'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 's we are saying that humanity dont deserve to breed ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No better way to have a legacy than to blow a load into some dumb bint bitch breeder whore cunt and create an otherwise unncecessary golden shitloaf that will be the bane of retail and restaurant personnel everywhere.'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'actually legacy and breding awe mutually exclusive?'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'aw cheap trolin'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Don't say that to breeders, after all, WHO WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE WHAT THEIR SHITLOAF CUMSTAIN OFFSPRING LOOKS LIKE... ANd, who is gonna take care of you when you're OLD????????????????????????????????????????????'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'wouldnt the world benefit from more starlings ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'sox ill get thtere evnetually'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yes, the world would indeed benefit from more Starlings, because those Starlings wouldn't BREED and foist shitloaf turd children upon everyone else!'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and you have added to the world by ? '
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'aww huggs too '
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'tbh I can't agree without also wanting to do something about it . how about you ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'there are several selective breeding programs in the past , some have great results - wht say you ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Or . how do we limit loaf production ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'For whom the bell tolls ? it tolls for U'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is natural selection  loaf segregation ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'becuase our system ertainly bucks the trend'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'again - a chann thart is annonnyommouse and unfettered - one that you can turn off - is perhaps useful ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'any takers ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'love my mouses ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is therer any form of liability in hosting a free for all forum ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'This is the essence of a shitty puzzle right here.'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'The gatekeeper to the Mosaic is stout and lazy.  You suspect he isn't inclined to open this gate for you.  On the other hand, he looks vain and susceptible to flattery.'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'listen Rocco (gatekeeper) -> "Come back tomorrow."'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'obviously he wants to be flattered.'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'look gate'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'looks at the gatekeeper'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'look west?'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'assholes.'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) - Mushin: 'at least they gave you the word so I cannot complain'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then there's a piece of the puzzle on think pink if you read page1 or something'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i didn't figure it out for myself though, just looked around for how they did'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seems awfully quiet on here tonight'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i agree'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I disagree'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'disagree away'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'agree stay'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'YOU ARE ALL WRONG'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're planning on privatising some roads here'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'nice.'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'here they already did that and put up toll booths'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they're also trying to ban shariah law in the state senate'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the fuck?'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'why would anyone think it's even necessary?'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ban "toll-booth" law'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krimp: 'shucks, no more fatwahs'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"toll-booths" are parasitic'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'dagnir i think its called a pre-emptive thing.'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'like when your girl isnt going that far, but your body does.'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'in one state they tried to ban tasering a bear, getting your picture taken with it, and then leaving. (no there weren't any examples of anyone doing it.)'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'No means No, not Yes'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i heard in china its still legal to buy a bunny rabbit and then have a teenager stomp it to death on youtube'
T3/r6/2012-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krimp: 'thats illegal in the US too'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hey druzil did you ever find a foreigner's bible to figure out that lev 20:6 bit by?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude prods The Imp Druzil into action!
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and if you research the mafia, in 1937-1943 america released one of their top bosses from prison so he could organize them in italy to resist mussolini who wanted to destroy them, because since saudi arabia or something was done being resisted it became corrupt and installed its own corrupt members in every level of italian society that had authority - this was what mussolini wanted to straighten out, not to give to to saudi arabia but to remove what he seen as corruption'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'from what i heard'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so, israel's managing casino's in america, and not just one but every one - how many other businesses?  probably a similar system '
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Israel is managing every Casino in America?  Really?  Is this part of that Vast Jewish Conspiracy(tm) that secretly rules the world?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'are the rothschild family who invented wall street having to do with the money that a casino deals in?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Druzi, that saudi arabia post was incoherent, near gibberish,  and thus not worth noting'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's hard to understand what a foreign governments military has to do with a gambling game in a foreign nation which has it's own military, who's rules apply here?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'can i go anywhere on a work visa claiming to be a canadian special forces?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm here to manage your banks and your politicians'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps some of the 1/16th part Amerindians that own/run casinos are 15/16th jewish'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'large corporations manipulate indians and their land all the time, chief tells people it's alright with 1.3 billion dollars in mind, it's progress that destroys the land'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'I decend from a long line of ancestors who were followers of the deciples of a certain prominent Jewish rabbai.  Does that count?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most people are corrupt, people think cause they have 1.3 billion the problem doesn't run deeper than them, but they know that somebody else gave them that money'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i've got no problem with fair people, not as much problem with people who think they're being fair working within the limits of their unfair boss either, their boss knows better and prevents fair people from living - and he usually has idea's and beliefs in his mind which are what i focus on'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the rich took the monies, and do not concede they were given the monies, unless the rich gave the monies to the rich'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if the ku klux klan owned every bank in the world and claimed black money can't be used here - would you say alright they're white, but that doesn't mean they're racist or there's anything wrongw ith that'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so with every bank i've ever been to being managed by jews or italians well, where's the absence of ku klux klan in that?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bad example, the KKK is no longer a playa'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'owned at least, people working at the till aren't the people who own the bank'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's an individual racist organization, racist groups go by different names, they're the same thing with different skin'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some of their members don't think there's anything strange about it, like they say about the nazi's on documentaries, hitler youth groups'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if the world is racist, then why not separate their members into different locations on earth instead of leaving one the slave of another in every location on earth?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'The banks are all run by the Jews?  Really?  Is your source for that statement Mein Kampf by chance?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i never read that book'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just observation and probable majority reality'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if italy is going bankrupt, the italian banking system may go bankrupt -- unless Druzil meant banks were owned by the jews and or the mafia  (and he omitted mention of the Chinese banks)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'although it does say in the gospel that he is not a jew who is one externally, but internally - which is where some people's sayings come from that those people in israel aren't jews'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'No, an "observation" is something that's based on actual, emperical evidence.  That is more of a "conspiracy theory."'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lots seem to believe they're russians'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Bill Gates is an atheist or (according to Druzil) a jew (atheist)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Ah.  So athiesm is a branch of Judism now?  Who knew?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you don't get that kind of money from your harvard lawyer dad from an operating system you didn't invent with all of the sabotage recorded installed into a ford automobile while building nuclear power stations in china and having your ex-partner owning patents on all panasonice circuit designs, without being connected to the people who ran the world for the last 100 or more years'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and in the history of the rothschild family, they're about the only one that can provide that'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'republican news talk shows allegedly use fact checkers so they may correct errors later in pages and pages of fast scrolled ending credits -- joke from the Daily Show'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you can observe conspiracy theories too, does the KGB exist is a conspiracy theory'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that runs russia today and transnistria'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't claim something to be absolutely true, only way to know that's to be a part of it, the bible's as fictional as a science journal on facts which aren't verifiable but require the imagination pieced together to attempt to comprehend'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i take information from history tv, discovery channel, hollywood movies, the internet, books, religious texts, nature and wherever else, everything i say has a grain of truth in it, whether or not that is a possible science journal/bible truth perceived or something i actually am a part of'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's not my fault if you can't understand or keep up with me'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ah, propaganda in, propaganda out -- Druzil is a clueless parrot'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sure thing, clueless parrots like CNN saying what CTV and AlJazeera said which was the same opinion as BBC and every other major news network in the world'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'It isn't that I don't understand what you're saying.  The problem is that what your saying is complete BS.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so i take what they say and consider the exact opposite and what's missing, otherwise they'd at least have some reportive opinion on a subject wouldn't they?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'I want a parrot. Druzil can you be my parrot if you are indeed a parrot?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wisdom may require decades of mentally digesting information from input to ouput'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like this Kobe person they talk about on the news alot now, got some public support from a celebrity to tackle for human trafficking and stuff, isn't it written on the news that the CIA released him from prison before sending him to that nation to do what he done?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he was in prison for murder or something similar, either him or another prominent south african'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'It's Kony.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Kobe plays basketball.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Praetor: 'Maybe you're a parrot afterall. '
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they don't mention that on most media, the part of him being put there by their own government'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's your guys understanding on viterra taking over most of the canadian wheat board and then switzerland buying a majority of that company's operations (most grain elevators and markets etc), i mean what does switzerland have to do with canadian grain?  it makes 0 sense to me'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they gave a company from winnipeg about 17 locations and 34 product labels, but that's nothing compared to what they got - it's similar to the canadian government hosting discussions on how to manage canadian grain in niagara falls ontario, where most farmers are 600-700 miles away and busy in the field at the time of their meeting'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just makes no sense, it's like switzerland is saying you don't know how to mange the grain you produce so we're here to save the day'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if canada quit exporting grain to the world for 10 years they'd starve to death in lots of places, i don't see where switzerland is required'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'No... It's saying "We want that sweet, sweet China money you've been making on your grains."'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so greed, the easy answer, i'm not sure if it cut common sense that far yet, but it's something to keep in mind'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Greed is almost always the answer. They're also buying up a bunch of metals production, too.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'once a country owns nothing in itself it's no longer a country, that doesn't come to mind though'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'welfare state of switzerland or something'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'babylon whore metaphor is similar'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'is it true that swiss news channels hire models to keep men watching?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, it's not true.  It's just that the swiss are a nation of tall, leggy, superhottie blondes.  The Aryan Race, if you will, but without the crazed german silliness.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'super sayan > aryan'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'what was nails power level when he fought frieza?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'saiyan*'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'not enough'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'trunks' power level was good enough'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'it's obviously the sword'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they have a poll, do you think it's a good thing, they're keeping their office in regina see and possibly calgary - i don't really have an opinion on it except it seems as fishy as petro china, petro canada and canadian steel'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who cares about money, that's just something to take peoples minds off of what it can't afford to buy'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'once a company like those american/chinese/swiss get installed they're not leaving under any circumstances'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so they're contracts with a foreign government to give up sovereignty'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they privatized government oil (petro-canada, bought by suncore in 2009), canadian steel (possibly hudson bay subsidiary sponsored by the government tax payer) and now the canadian wheat board (union of farmers), so there's grain, steel and energy which einstein says is god'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but petro china moved into canada and it's not owned by suncore'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all privatized to people not from canada'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they'll purchase it from their IMF banker's transactions handling the account of their crown corporation drilling the minerals in canada, and put the funds into their governments pocket, effectively paying nothing at all for what they take'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's war in action, but the enemies within the borders aren't weeded out'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't see it as anything else, greed isn't no excuse - you can't look at china and say i'm greedy, sell me all your panda reservations so i can have some rugs and expect them to say ok'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's plenty of universities and books and plaecs to experiment mastering the art of mining raw minerals from the earth too, but the canadian government decided that australia should handle the potash and somewhere else the steel (like wall street)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who needs them?  they do of course, they'd have to pay a fair price for what they take otherwise'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'look at a map how far away australia is from canada, and show me where they pay for any consequences of their actions or have any say in what happens on canadian soil, that their services are required here instead of ones provided by here's own people'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Canada has such a small population for their area, it might just be hard to support the industry needed to get that stuff out of the ground.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who cares about worldwide demand, if the world wants something they should move here then and consume it'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'You could chip away at it, or let someone else come and gut it all.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'god put what's here over here and your country has it's own shit'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people can't stick to trading the bare neccessities like rice for wheat'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what good does it do the world to excavate american continent until it's 8000 feet below sea level and pile it up on a mountain behind the emperor for china's golf course?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'makes you all his slaves i guess, you got it all figured out'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the world want's oil, the canadian government organizes 32 million people, the world wants steel too, and gold even, the government is aware of all of this but instead of providing free training which is very negligible compared to the price of sale of what is provided by it's employed graduates, they turn to foreign espionage and betray their own people with money as an excuse (which is proven false by the income those things owned by the government and it's shareholders (taxpayers) would have provided)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's the pile of shit in a nutshell'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i have faith that judas iscariot exists like vampire stories with things like this evident'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't see it another way, but maybe i'm wrong - what do you think?  is mismanagement and betrayal a core reason for these problems?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krimp: 'misappropriation of monies, taxes, and resouces.  core problem of every country in the world'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krimp: 'individual people of significant position, cutting deals with countries and corporations for self interest'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, isn't that what they called treason in the past?  they say not many convictions in the last 400 years'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]." In many nations, it is also often considered treason to attempt or conspire to overthrow the government, even if no foreign country is aided or involved by such an endeavour. '
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'whatever it is, to me they seem similar, but i still haven't seen the whole picture to weigh the facts, just what seems crooked or not-right and my assumptions about why'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krimp: 'it is treason.  but when everyone in power is in on the game, then what is it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'probably see alot of finger pointing on the In many nation's, but not in the original statement.. actions to help a foreign government overthrow - what if said citizen is a member of the government of the second sentence?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not even much of a country to identify with except the absence of both parties then is there?  it's a confusing judgement how they place it - i'd say it's something more similar to a trusted member of society using that trust to undermine the members who placed it in them'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but peasant views aren't usually considered in professional dialogues'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah exactly, your statement there, it is treason - but when.. that's what i was just talking about - hard judgement isn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'see, that's what gets me riled up when i think about world war 2 and makes possible new viewpoints to consider what the war was bout, and world war 1 even, maybe it was like this two way view of treason and one person's way of seeing it'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i have a hard time saying it's all about murder and genocide, considering how people starve to death in african holodomor every single day, while several members of the UN watch on and even invest in the communities that provide those inhospitable living conditions through their government'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like you say if they're all treasonous traitors to their nations, but to conspire to overthrow them is the only treason they see - then they must have something in common installed by the victor's of world war 2'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'otherwise why would there have been a war, they all agree to be traitors together'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lots of people died and stuff, but philosophy is what runs governments and that didn't take any hit, except for the worse , although we can't time travel and compare the realities of what we're taught in school'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the whole hitler hating jews saying just doesn't add up to the be all end all of the whole thing, to most people it does but i don't have that much faith in racism - if i did then it would easily be shaken by the treatment of bolivian citizens by the foreign corporations and their own governments to this day, in 2001 they tried to privatize all of their national water reserves for instance and the lesser citizens (the bolivians) had no say about it except to riot'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's the difference between that racism and the other kind, one survives and runs your nations today - the other takes your mind off of that fact'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'You're right. I bet the jews were behind it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're mentioned in bbc articles on columbia'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Druzil. The fact that Hitler hated Jews can be considered a bonus or serendipity. The allies were forcing Germany to go to war regardless.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why'd you jump to that conclusion that i hate jews right away?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The fact that Hitler was a xenophobe made it easier for the allies to justify the war, that's all.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'whatever kind of person you are is determined by your inner self and your actions, not by your genetics - philosophies regurgitate around those genetics though, which is unfortunate'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i just pointed to two races of people who are being treated similarly to the jews in history, south american natives and african's'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's also the stories i heard of the khmer rouge and the cambodians'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't hate any race of people on earth, but races of people have members that predominantly lead their members in favour of their own racist interests - it's everywhere'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, be careful about what you mean by "history". The Jews were ostracized by Christians at the beginning of the modern era in their belief that they (all) were the cause of the death of Jesus'.  '
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not all members like their leader, some leaders would sacrifice them all to hell for a cup of gold'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and they early Chrisitians believed Jews were emissaries of the Devil'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's probably from the verse's of pharisee's and sadducee's discussing things with jesus and the high priest of the jews mentioned near the start prophecy'ing that jesus should die which eventually he paid for (the high priest and his servants)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'nod'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'jesus was jewish though, 'ye know not what ye worship' etc, disciples of hell or the devil mentioned in there'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he just had his own idea's, he didn't say all jews are evil but a evil priest could have twisted those words into whatever he wanted as he taught sunday school'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe he thought he was right too, who knows - but using the word of god for purposes of warfare and power isn't anything new, it's even written in the chronicles of the kings'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'Jesus was the descendant of Aaron and King David. he wanted to rule Israel'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'he was conservative, and wanted a return to old Torah law'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and dump the Romans, of course :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'well, of course'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Pretty sure Jesus was an invention of some people who wanted to keep the shepherds and related peasantry under thumb.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'the cheesemakers'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the early church did not speak about Jesus until they considered their financial concerns'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'Jesus as LORD made the early chuch a lot of money'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'so jesus was a get rich quick scheme from the beginning'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you may be right, Vakieh, though I doubt it very much. The history of the times is consistent enough to make that conclusive. Just as conclusive as most history anyway.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'as marketed, yes. but not in the beginning.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The history of the time is consistent? - There are 3 books, from 3 different religions, and all of them disagree.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'which one talks about blue people?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'very early Christians did not focus on Jesus.... this is quite interesting'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'they had enough cash'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'There has been NO - that's right, flat out ZERO primary sources related to the existence of Jesus. NOT ONE.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'not even the shroud of turin!'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't understand why people always focus on whether or not jesus existed as though arguing it's gonna solve the problem absolutely one way or the other'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'early Christians were a peaceful people and wanted spirituality. Jesus was interestingly left absent'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If we got like 20 people to write about Marvin, the son of god from the 1800s, we would be 100% as 'confirmed' and 'consistent' as the Bible was when written.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i wish god were alive to see this'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so you are claming that Iosephus was a fiction also. Or Paul, for that matter. Or that the writings of Peter, Thomas, John and Mary were all ficticious? Wow, so I guess I could make the same claim about the US Civil War.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'How about it? Who wants to write about Marvin with me?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'Tolstoy was fiction!? And Joyce?  Next you'll say Shakespeare!'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i do not doubt the man existed. i doubt how he has been marketed for economic reasons'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Ficticious? Perhaps not - but show me something they wrote. Not something someone wrote *about* them, but something concrete to show evidence it actually happened.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Why should I show you? Don't you know  how to use a library?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Charlee Sheen giggles.
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in the bible, the only place i remember seeing jesus write something was in the sand, as though he heard them not'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i've got a little poem about jesus'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler lets off a real rip-roarer ... a greenish cloud envelops Dirkdiggler!
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If it existed, you would have a source. As it is, you sound like the average butthurt Christian in a world that grew up.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'I remember when my imaginary friend used to talk to me...'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, Druzil, with all due respect, I consider the bible the least of the thematic documents I would use :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'there was a man named jesus... he wasn't that reeleegeous... but when you asked who was its... its was the reallyjesus'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'nice name sheen!  we should join forces'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler sits down and thinks deeply... What would Chuck Norris do?
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'We should.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's the most widely distributed religious text that i know of, although hated by most islamic nations seemingly'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if it's such a throwaway absence of anything mysterious then why does it captivate so many people?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, it might  be widely distributed, but as a historical document, it's not worth the paper it's written on.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'except  to show the ethos of the people, of course.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) NewItem: 'that line of code doesnt exist in this realm'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the bible itself is of an odd resourse. not too many people are sure who write great parts of it'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'wrote*'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'or who put it together'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'would you claim that the Vedas to be a history of India?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Great Parts? Try any. When it was translated, was it reviewed? Has anyone seen the original text? The Bible has passed between at LEAST a hundred different minds, each with their own agenda, from whenever it was supposedly written to now.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and do not foget the text of genesis was stolen. so was the story of moses'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the gospel canon i -heard/read- was put together by a person called pope julius'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And how convenient, that God pulls out the miracles JUST when people are stupid enough to believe them.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some claim that the story of bel and the dragon was once part of the entire book'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as I said, the bible is a good source of the ethos of the time, as a hsitorical document it sucks the big one.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Ethos of which time?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of each epoch that it contains  :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but that story does seem to display mistrust of all churches, so maybe it was just written down later to express that'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You think the King James Bible is remotely similar to the way it read as it was written?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'King James had the Bible intentionally mistranslated to suit his political needs'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you must  consider that by the time Jesus appeared on the scene, the bible was a fait accompli. There hadn't been any addenda in a long time.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Just like everyone else who translated it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'course not, those languages sound worlds apart - sin and satan seem to have actual translations in other languages, where untranslated words are referenced to wonder the true meaning of a verse in the book'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Fait Accompli? Pretty sure the modern Fundi ignores the old testament, except for the no gay thing, of course'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'fete*'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the New Testament is not really part of the bible :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Says who? You can't pick and choose if you want to say you follow something'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'King James had... issues'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'King James, like Henry VIII, used religion for his purposes :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and did he ever. he is still famous for that'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like in the new testament they use the word beelzebub and other things like that, while looking up the word baal berith you get a little overview of what it translates into, having to do with a covenant or pact made between people possibly with a demonic spirit'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The Old testament, as you call it, which I call the bible, is a Jewish document. The new Testament is not.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why didn't they translate the word into something sentient, which is translated directly to the people reading their own language?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So, you would suggest the OLDER part of the text is somehow reliable?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and the Jews today are not happy with the so-called new testament'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Wouldn't it be more accurate to call it the Torah instead of redefining it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Perhaps 4000 years of mistranslation and outright warping'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the New Testament is basically a product of Constantine, which was bent on homogenizing Christianity.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The whole debate is a crock of shit. Why does any sane person need to give a fuck what iron age farmers thought was an ok way to live?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not saying that's the actual case cause i wasn't taught hebrew or yiddish and don't really care to teach myself, but it seems alot of people agree on the translations'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'when people need to believe in something, they will believe in anything'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, so your viewpoint is better? So you won't get pissed off when 1000 years from now someone asks the same question about you?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'unlikely. because he'll be dead.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that fact notwithstanding :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'i'm just sayin :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Slavery - ok? Sanitation - unnecessary? Forcing rape victims to marry their rapist - ok?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'This is the clusterfuck of religion.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the point is that that farmer's opinion still persists today even if it is so diluted that it can't be selected.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'i have a simple religion....you know whats good and bad so fuckin do it :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like while the bible has the word jehovah, sacred yweh in another aspect, selah in another, amen in egyptian (the unknown god), islam has allah - ok, they say that translates to deity - but the translation didn't come with the text that i seen, which is the same thing with the word jehovah, which where a messenger when asked who sent him replied 'I AM sent me', so possibly his existance or existance sent him, I AM then could be translation for jehovah'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'not everyone does'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'which is fairly ultimate since nonexistance might not have any concept of relativity'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And I am saying that choosing to live your life in a manner set out by uneducated, 4000 year old people who were perhaps a single jump up from cave men says to me you might benefit from euthanisation.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that is essentially all that religion is, Dirkdiggler. However, there is no political advantage to something so simple :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'that what your guilty conscious is...that part of GOD is with us always...it is the "HOLY SPIRIT" = conscious'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sorry, I have no idea what you are talking about.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Geez, what's that smell?  Guess Dirkdiggler needs to poop.
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i think Jehovah is a Caananite god or something'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'i auctioned my poop'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No, your 'guilt' is the collective input of your social intelligence, built on years of observation and learning, and bolstered by thousands of generations of instinct.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the early Hebrews picked him up from other tribes'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'introducing  claims  that cannot be substantiated is not the way to go, Dirkdiggler.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'whatever...you can clearly bid on that poop'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler grins evilly.
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's strange that a messenger wouldn't worship this word jehovah instead claiming I AM sent me which is pretty easy to understand, not some dark god in the undivergeable background who can't speak for himself'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Can anybody tell me why eating the flesh of the swine will make me burn in hell? Anybody?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'i want 72 virgins whatever...'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler laughs out loud.
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'because Jesus sent pigs in the ocean'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if an actual messenger speaks plainly then about spirituality, then why do the religions that come from his words hide behind words that nobody understands'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I can't, but I can understand why someone would think so.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Pretty sure one of the people involved in writing that part was either a sheep/cow farmer, and HATED his competing pig farmer'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'I'm auctioning my cocaine. What now, Dirkdiggler?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'they had demons in them'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'you know it!'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, they have trichinosis :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'it was a health thing, not a serious sin'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or had :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'i do lab tests for trich'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'Haha, I love where this is going.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Why shouldn't you mix threads in clothing?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Why is cutting your facial hair a bad thing?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'is this leviticus?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'working in a hospital lab right now...thats basically the only time i play mud, when they pay me *wink'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's right, Modi. Jews banned the eating of pork because of trichinosis, the practice then became ritualized. '
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Why did eating an apple doom mankind? Why is it the woman's fault?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if God had a name, of the bible which many islamic people claim they have faith in the god of abraham and adam and eve (that i overheard), then wouldn't he have asked Adam in the Garden of Eden, what shall I be called?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the apple is a miss.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Why will not loving a god without evidence curse you to burn?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'woman are bitchy sometimes...we needed an excuse'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and now it doesn't matter that better cooking techniques have been found.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'according to some people, it's always the woman's fault anyway :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Adam certainly thought so :) He divorced his first wife :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'i respect all religions....we're all praying to same god dummies'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Why do we need to be married before sex?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'we dont'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'the story of genesis was stolen from the chaldeans'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the thieves maybe didn't think of that, or thought nobody else would?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'or babylonians'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I respect all religions as I respect those who like to read fantasy instead of  S.F. :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Why does splashing water on a child's forehead going to help him in the afterlife?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'does = is'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'the bible was written for hte most ignorant to read and take something GOOD from it....the smart ones with science backgrounds (myself) have to pretend to believe the book but know that god can still be real just not something a book can explain'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'with all due respect, Vakieh, you are being rather thick about this. It is a symbolism.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'baptism is old... i think mithric'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Symbolism? Symbolism for what?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I bet it came from India, myself.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I like to think the Symbolism for baptism is a LITERAL brain washing.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'or india. that opinion has great merit'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'Doesn't Javiar Translated from Hebrew mean I AM?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you mean Xavier?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'Because in an South African language Called Zulu They use Jehovah'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the only place i can find a circumcision origin in the old testament (from my memory) is where (i think) Moses wife cuts off his foreskin and says a 'bloody husband thou art''
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'you said African...'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and then it becomes a pact with god and the people somehow'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Jehovah, is a the pronunciation given to YAWEH :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'cicumsions primary purpose is to prevent a nice intercourse...'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'nod anar'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'I remember that one of relion 101 college....'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'i liked that classs...we had a total hippie teacher '
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Why do we glorify belief without evidence? By the same token, Santa and the Easter Bunny are real.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'bottem line...why r we talking about it on a game?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i do think santa was real, as he helped children'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why not? It certainly makes existence a bit more palatable.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'cya in church sunday'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Because that's what the debate channel is for?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Existence is awesome enough without fairy tales'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'to fart or not to fart...thats what i use it for'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler sits down and thinks deeply... What would Chuck Norris do?
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler lets off a real rip-roarer ... a greenish cloud envelops Dirkdiggler!
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and santa, i heard, became mre popular than Jesus.... so he was popularized'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Instead of hearing about Heaven, lets listen to the life and death of a star. Let's look at how the spinning cluster of rocks became the ultimate giver of life.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Nicholas of Bari of the 500s is thought to be the first Santa. He, on Dec 6, would give gifts to poor children.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'ahhh so i did hear something interesing'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'Apparently Santa rescued three prostitutes from some man or people and was know as the saint of all prostitutes (HoHoHo)??? I don't think its a coincidence'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'he is a  Saint Nicholas, btw :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Instead of threatening people with Hell, how about we instill a love of Humanism in them, and teach them about social responsibility'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nothing wrong with having faith in the possibility of an aferlife as you understand it and considering things for yourself - what i find wrong is how those considerations are removed with fear in alot of religions and instead of being guided by their innerself coming into contact with whatever they believe to be God and learning to develop their own relationship with the source they worship, they worship a person instead'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'so let me get this right?  nobody wants to fart on here with me?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nothing wrong with loving people or respecting people, but i don't think people should be worshipped as almighty god on earth'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if anything, them in their entirety should be closer towards that concept than a single individual'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if being good to your neighbor is a religion, I am all for religion, the rest is just baggage.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you certainly don't need a god or afterlife to do the right thing.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If that was ALL religion was, it would be ok'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'But religion has a net negative effect, in a HUGE way'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'can we talk about rape or something interesting...geeeeeeeez *grin'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that is all  religion is when you subtract the  politics :)('
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The majority of war, whilst usually politically motivated, only drew the support of the people by use of religion.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i dont think so.. if we were all heathens the world would be even worse'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sotura has a hopeless crush on the wonderful, eternal Maerchyng, he can even spell his name right!  *Clap*
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'Can't rape the willing, Dirkdiggler.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'You can try, though ^'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'whatever Sheen you just focus on getting me more cocaine!!!!'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I think you may have the wrong delivery man, Dirk.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'Now while I'm playing with my Dirkdiggler. >_>'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The fucked up laws of marriage, abortion, sex, etc are almost entirely religion-motivated'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'you got it? you got the good?!'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'I /AM/ the good.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'throw me a bag up on auction...im fienin man!  fienin!'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'don't blame the religion, blame the people for believing in it'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I blame both.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the first political structures used religion as a base, that is why you have all that, Vakieh. No big deal.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No big deal? What do you think will happen if Santorum wins the US election? Have you HEARD his views?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Theocracies were the common political fares until relatively recently.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'Are you atheist?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'santorum = asshole'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what is that?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'Because you blame religion for corrupting the world all it has done is to try and fix the world from corruption'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what does religion have to do with god?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'Its not necessarily god'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Fix the world? From the Crusades to Terrorism, the worst atrocities I can think of were ALL religion's fault. And by religion I include both the belief and the people.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you ask if I were an atheist.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I am an athiest, yes.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so god is in the discussion per force :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Some slight agnosticism about the whole deal, but without proof religion can go fuck itself.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't see the dalai llama saying to go out and kill people and stuff like that, he usually uses common sense, acceptance and patience as his speeches that i heard'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'In general I was asking that question'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'if you do evil in the name of 'religion' its still evil'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not all religious leaders (or maybe even him in secret, maybe he is an all around good guy though) are benevolent in intention or precaution though'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And it is still religion.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you do anything in the any of something it is still that thing, yes ;)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'evil trumps religion'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, it is not religion, is is an act excused by religion.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'Why blame religion?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No True Scotsman. If religion facilitates an act, it is at LEAST partially responsible for that act.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Nobody is blowing themselves up without the belief in an awaiting bevy of sex slaves.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'I'm still trying to figure that out'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'for instance, how can religious people drop atomic bombs? I mean, what religion condones murder? (Forget about the followers of Kali :))'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And yet, they do. Because there are convenient loop holes just for that.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'let's not get racist, Vakieh..,'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yea im not gonna try to justify that one'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you think hindu's have something to do with warfare?  possible i guess, but i wouldn't villify them all'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Who said race? Been plenty of Christian fundies killing people too.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, I meant don't think about the followers of Kali because they do think that murder is a religious :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Pick a religion, and I'll show you some crazy shit followers have done. At least the Buddhists only kill themselves.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i only heard of one hindu group that was militant in my life, and it happened to be a elder taking advantage of youths heads and brainwashing them'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'I think you might be stepping on your own toes Vakieh'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'How?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'thugs strangling people with black silk cords :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'they will not be able to justify their actions come judgement day'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that was my point, Vakieh. The religion didn't dictate the behavior, the behavior was excused by the use of religion. Not the same thing.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Religion being an excuse means religion is culpable.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'are you really that dense?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No religon = no act. Therefore religion can be blamed for the act.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'No, no religion, no excuse. Not the same thing.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No excuse generally means people don't do it. Not to mention the MYRIAD of times people have had religion as a motivator, which is a whole other bag of cats.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I think you underestimate man's ability of self-justification. If it wasn't religion, something else would make the act not only tolerable, but perferable.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'To say that "god told me to do it" is crap, unless you can prove that A) God exists and B) He will talk to you.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Suicide as an act of aggression makes no sense without religion.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but it does, suicide  is the ultimate selfish act, it has nothing to do with religion.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'kamikazee didnt do it for religion'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'about the religious arguement though, atheist scientists around the world agree in evolution theories and gradual processes arriving at the reality that sustains life on earth, but all together they work for the industries that go into the unknown, replacing nature with chemistry and machines, toxic waste , filtered water, mineral exhaustion etc, even manipulating the makeup of natural organisms as they arrived at naturally of the course of the evolution theory - all within the course of 150 years of current science, compared to the 575 million they believe life evolved here'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'Vakieh since your sure religion is the downfall of many things try looking up what dangerous things a atheist has done I'm not saying that atheists are bad'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'They worshipped the emperor as a god, though, Modi.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'unless you consider honor for country religion'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Pakistan and India. Whole issue is religion, the racial/historical differences just aren't there.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and they didn't consider it  suicide anyway, there was a chance of survival, after all.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'What has an athiest done in the name of atheism?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there is endless things that you can point out to be either proof of their own stupidity and faith in the unknown consequences of their actions that they don't see there, or proof that they're not as atheist as they claim, somehow worshipping a devil or other destructive being'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'athiest dont commit suicide?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'They don't commit suicide to kill others'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'No, Pakistan and India split by using religion as the excuse. The real reason was the development of power structures. With India only you only have one leader. With Inda and Pakistan, you have 2 leaders, and two attendant power structures.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'so there are no atheist serial killers?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And how do the power structures control the people? With religion.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure there are, but they are not serial killers because they are atheists, they are serial killers because they like to kill :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so what, Vakieh?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'im not religious, still under control in many ways'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'There can always be a motivation, and those motivations should be targetted. If religion is a motivator, get rid of it. If something is motivating an atheist to kill, get rid of it. I guarantee it isn't atheism making somebody kill.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Most structures would collapse if religion were subtracted, the leadership could not excuse or mitigate their actions :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'taking away someone's freedom to worship is more satanism than atheism'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos peers intently at Modi.
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Satanism is religion...'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'satan is the overse of god :) You can't have one without the other so same rules apply.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I would outlaw the intrusion of religion into anything BUT religion.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'That I could support, at least until they pay property and income taxes.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The US secularist movement is fighting a losing battle - the US is heading towards theocracy or destruction.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I doubt it, Vakieh... it's a Mexican stand-off between the various religious. As soon as one tried to move into power, the others would pull them down.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, you would only have you to blame for that if you support the movement, or stand by without a fight.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'At least here in Australia, if you name religion as a reason for something you get laughed at and told to fuck off.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'you think everyone should be atheist? that is called satanism'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Satanism is the worship of satan...'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, I think one  should keep one's religion private and not invoke it to justify behavior.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'and what does satan want? for no one to worship anything'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'worship is appealing to the desires of your master'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No, Satan doesn't want jack, because he isn't real.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'he doesnt want us to worship him, he cant stand us'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in the story at least, satan denied that god exists and therefore he must be god, and the other angels maybe agreed with him - except the ones that didn't were led by the god that satan denied and cast to earth'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'personally, I have a problem with authority. I can't seem to be able to bow my head to anyone, be it man or woman, brute or human.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'imo anyone else is at best my equal.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's capitalized later in the story in the book of job and other places where satan acknowledges the presence of god as he asks for permission to kill his family, which was satan's bet with god that job would surely deny he exists after that'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Can you bow your head to ideals? Social motivators?'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No need to bow your head to people'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, not really. I find them useful until the flaws grow large enough to make them unusable.'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or the other way around'
T3/r6/2012-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If it is a flawed motivator, change it. Then bow again.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'For example, don't murder. No flaws, just bow your head and don't murder.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'worshipping a man is not religion, as i understand it, the first commandment, have no other gods before me'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I would have a problem with standing up if the president walked into the room I was in, Vakieh, for instance. That is bowing even though your head is not bent.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Who stands? I sure don't. Then again, I don't have a president, so...'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'now, if every time I walked in the room he stood up, I would feel compelled to return  the gesture, though.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And worshipping a man? People worshipped Jesus.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'did they now. Where did you hear that?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'he's a god hybrid '
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The same place people talk about him as if he was real'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'only half man'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's a postmortem attribute.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'If the world ends who would you blame Vakieh?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos raises an eyebrow at Vakieh's weird actions.
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but, to be fair, the word will end. You can't fight entropy.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Depends - how succesful was the drilling expedition to the asteroid?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'we all will die, if thats what you mean'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that's statistically true, Modi :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'If you die Vakieh where do you think you will go? or you think you have just left???'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The world will end, if not sooner, then when the sun becomes a red giant.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'however, quantum mechanics predicts that at leat one person will live forever :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I believe my brain will cease to function.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's no witness of red giant sun in recorded history except in interpretation of diagrams and symbols that weren't accompanied by their author'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Who knows, there *might* be something. Acting as if it is a foregone conclusion is pretty fucking stupid, though.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what  red giant sun, Druzil?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Current projections indicate that while Venus will be totally swallowed, the Earth will merely be baked. Very baked.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'according to calculations, M1, the crab nebula, was the star that went nova during the birth of Jesus.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think putting faith in the idea that human's will outlive the sun whose burning out is mankind's greatest enemy isn't the best thing to do'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that's before the sun goes nova, Vakieh :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but it does take peoples mind off of the apparent world much like religion does'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'lets just move our water to mars and go there:p'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who cares the suns gunna burn out.. lets kill the world before it's too late'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Mars will also be baked.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, given enough time humans will  move off the earth, for no other reason that it will have turned it into a poison swamp.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'you mean like a moon base?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'How do you think life was placed on this Planet the big bang is only a theory so is global warming'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think it's pretty bad tidings for the future to have a entire generation of over 7 billion people with that mindset on reproducing into the future, which is made nonexistant by the trends you feed them'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as a parent or society etc'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'more than that, given enough time human ingenuity will figure out how to actually live elsewhere.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I don't think the word 'theory' means what you think it means, Fravardin.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'global warming is happening, i think thats proven'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'But as a race we've only been around for a few tens of thousands of years. It will be billions before the sun goes.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'life can be as simple as growing your own community gardens in multiple places so that one will grow regardless and living in relative ease'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Gravity is only a theory. Go jump of a building and see how you fare.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, Modi, but I am one of those who believes that it is cyclic.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'want a book, write one, go to the library etc, there's ways to curb destruction at several avenues'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not to say that were are not helping it along :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'well.. the coastal cities ought to be worried either way'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Indeed, Ice Ages occur for all sorts of reasons, like asteroids hitting. The next one will probably be due to carbon gasses.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'world leaders don't give a shit about coastal cities, big oil they say, like people couldn't get by without driving 20 miles a day and spending 2 hours in traffic 120 years ago'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if you look at what the last ice age did, only people in Mexico and lower latitudes will survive :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'It is a theory how do you know the earth isn't just changing its weather patters'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if fuel consumption was limited to priority and things were more localized then people wouldn't have to drive as much, you need fuel maybe for agriculture to some degree, as it's phased out in place of non-destructive alternatives'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I do so love when Fundies pull out the 'its just a theory' card :-P Reminds me how moronic they are.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's what  "cyclic" means, Fravardin.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Geology suggests it is indeed cyclic'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'Plus we are still in an ice age... Ice age is a period where there are continents of ice'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Doesn't mean we should assist the descent'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Um. Wat. Are you for serious?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'Greenland and the two poles'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Go back to school.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler looks dreamily vacant, no doubt thinking of a glass of koolaid.
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'No, an ice age is when glaciers cover a majority of the land masses... not just having some snow around.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yea weather is crazy enough, without however much water the poles will add'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'In the last ice age, there was a land bridge between Europe and the Americas. I see no land bridge.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Please, throw some more of your Sunday School learnings up here for me to laugh at.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'saturday already ? '
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'imagine how many people in the world today can't picture the world without the use of some destructive practice as a fundamenal element of their lives?  that number will increase with the population and sooner or later anybody who sees otherwise will be destroyed - like a dragon protecting his treasure from the sun'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Awwwww, fundie ran away...'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'data not consistent with known natural cyclical temperature change rates'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you have to be gentle with them , just till you get em enraged/hooked on an undefendable idea :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Lol :-) Ummm...gay sex is AWESOME! Discuss'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'I'm tired of you Vakieh all you do is blame blame blame the world it the way it is no 1 man can change it'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'you have to know what you're doing'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krimp: 'glad you found something you're good at'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'any sex can be bad'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Tired of me? You mean you have no evidence, and when challenged you run back to the priest who tells you the devil made me do it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i wonder if cleopatra did well with her bees'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hmm...no 1 man can change it...not even Jesus?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, absorption spectra and rates of CO2 well known'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anyone written an athiest religon yet ? '
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'Apparently there is no Jesus'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'confucious?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Atheism is not a religion, and needs no writing'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'you guys are wasting alot of time on here if you aren't getting paid to play like me *grin'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'religion is just a way to say belief'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'if you believe in nothing, its still religion'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Hey fundie, if god exists, why does he hate African kids? I mean, seriously, one of them HAS to be pissed, right?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'yea! screw African kids!'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'what what?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Did one of them eat pork? Or have sex before a Christian priest could sail over and marry them?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'They sure got the short end of the stick, eh?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'they had fried chicken'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perhaps persecution makes you stronger ? might be doing em a favour ? or perhaps god is really the god of antelope and humans don't factor in much ? '
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And what about somebody born into a Muslim home. If Allah is the right one, well, they got lucky, didn't they. But if the correct god is Christian they are pretty much fucked.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylraak: 'Hahah, I like that idea. "Sorry, it was all about antelope"'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If God is the God of the antelope, he is losing to the God of the lions :-P'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'there is no right/wrong god, just good/bad people'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'im bad to the bone'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Bad people? Like a 4 year old kid who hasn't had a meal in a month? What did he do?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'an innocent'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'This god seems like a asshole.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'an*'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hard to believe any known religion's god is the right one'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'i am not a god'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'believe it or not'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'just an asshole'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i have a mean streak but i'm not a bad person, and i haven't hurt a single person physically in over a decade'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'maybe god thinks we're the assholes for not helping them'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So he is punishing them for our mistakes?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Again, he sounds like an asshole'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'he's not punishing them'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'They haven't eaten, and he is omnipotent. Thus asshole'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ask the lion god , he just thinks assholes are the chewwy bits :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'god's work here is done, its on us now'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So he set the world up to cause this (being omniscient) - knowing what would happen. Still an asshole'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'he lives in our smartphones ...end of discussion!'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylraak: 'Siri is god?!'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'thats why they're always dying...for our sins'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If god is able to help, but unwilling, he is malevolent.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'phone batteries that is'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler grins evilly.
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If god is unable to help, but willing, why call him a god?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'stop giving our future overlords ideas'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If god is able to help, and willing, why is there evil?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If god is unable to help, and unwilling, he is useless.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'he is willing only if you ask him'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'god read too much Volitare :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'All 4 of those statements have been known since Classical Greece, and as yet there are NO good explanations.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'because we are here to be tested?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Are you telling me not ONE child starving in Africa has not been prayed for, or asked for god's help personally?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'and evil exists because we let it'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If you are then you are more of an idiot than I thought.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if man's made in his own image and his vain imagination provides him with a sage on which he draws his fantasies to indulge in, and man is but a thought of god on god's stage of thing's except on a level incomprehensible by his thoughts, and man's thoughts can't comprehend the mind that placed them there in quite the same way as man can't comprehend god - then would it stand to reason that searching for either man's stage or his god is an exercise in futility and once realized the dreamer loses interest in his stage?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'both good and evil are subject to definitions and are, therefore, subjective by definition :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'god can't be blamed because a country is mismanaged that's human error'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Show me a person who thinks a child starving to death isn't evil.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'God is allpowerful and allknowing, correct? Then EVERYTHING is his fault.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is nature evil ? '
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'the child is innocent!'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i haven't met many people who like to imagine that their mind is god and place people into their imagination who will look towards the source of this place they are in, which is the mind of the maker'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so i find it hard how god would enjoy worship in any way except through indulgent deeds that stimulate his desire to indulge in his imagination'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if god's considered similarly to how man's mind is concisder'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'since god's a fair and just god, doing good things would be a form of worship'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's the most atheist yet metaphysical understanding of atheist that was more agnostic than not i could come to'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cause it doesn't separate the person from the concept'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'you do remember that humans have a tendency of questioning god but when he does something good they don't care so the children starving aren't his fault why do you think Zimbabwe is in poverty previously they were the bread basket of Africa but thanks to human error by sending away the farmers and putting people that don't know what they are doing they ran the country to the ground (Human error not got)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'are you guys starting to sound like tools debating life on mUdd?  thats a real debate ...and GO!'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'they'll have a free ticket to heaven, anyway so perhaps they should feel sorry for us'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler sits down and thinks deeply... What would Chuck Norris do?
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Humans are the creation of god. Therefore he is responsible for their errors. Because he 'built' them into us.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'Chuck Norris would def handout some asswhoopins to ya pansies'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: '(if you were a fundie who believed that shit of course)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'just sayin'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And as for not giving god credit, have you heard Tebow?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'How about when cancer gets fixed by chemo? Do people pray to the doctor, or god?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'pretty sure god couldnt care less about football'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'this conversation is so trivial and played out...seriously out world is not that important...a new level is!'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'People defending 'god'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'anyway , i dont care, cuz im prob going to hell , so see ya there'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: '...here, are you all from the US?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler sits down and thinks deeply... What would Chuck Norris do?
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'chuck norris is american'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'so you blame god now Vakieh I thought you never believed in god but now you have the tendency of accusing him'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I am showing you reasons why god is either nonexistent, or evil. Feel free to pick one.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'But I should have remembered - you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'I'm not going to accept that pick what you are Vakieh and leave god out of it because you say his not real'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Show me some evidence, and we can discuss it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'if you studied theology you might be able to answer those questions , but no point trying to do it for you, '
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Psalm 7:11 God is a righteous judge, a God who expresses his wrath every day. -- apparently his ways of showing it aren't limited by any ways at all, he forms the light and creates the darkness in another passage, also he sends evil angels to be among the children playing in the desert - so evil as perceived by humans is his wrath incarnate in spiritual form punishing them'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Why is the Christian god more likely than Zeus, or Odin?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the question is, Druzil, what is it meant by "judge"? A judge to a Jew is not the same as a judge elsewhere.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Why can't the Bible have been a trick by Loki?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'because loki never existed'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'Myth Vakieh MYTH'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Myth? Like the Bible? Ok.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos grins evilly at Ranrr.
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fravardin shakes his head.
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'most myths were born of real people'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Why is a lightning throwing vengeance filled god less likely than a bush on fire, that talks?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sometimes, but then righteousness, what's that?  in that same book is mentioned that the son shall not be punished for the sins of his father, so with that in mind there's no real justice in children anywhere being punished by god'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the bible is not a myth, it's contents, however, are less verifiable.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'if a supernatural entity does exist, which I see no reason to believe it does, it is most likely not the god of christian/muslim belief, that entity was invented by man'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'except from the remotest corners of the mind and imagination that people use to fill in the missing answer'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'try building a portal into time and your questions shall be answered'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'There is as much evidence for Zeus as Jehovah'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'There is as much evidence for Zoroastrianism as there is for Islam.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, Rogues surely got a lot of gold that way when they first started :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'There is as much evidence for the Flying Spaghetti Monster as there is for Jesus.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'Were not children ofcourse there is not flying spaghetti monster'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'What are we 4?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'We're not children of course there was no talking snake, or pit of fire, or people with wings'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are wrong about that, Vakieh. Just because you don't believe in the divine Jesus, as I do not, doesn't mean he didn't exist, albeit without divinity.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if methusaleh lived to be 850-950 years old and the oldest humans might make 117 years old today very few of them, then i'd say most of us are just like children'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You see the similarity? And yes Ana, I was meaning the divine Jesus'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'their counting system was a bit off, Druzil :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'imagine living for 950 years, there would possibly be no subject in use by man on earth that you wouldn't be a master in by age 500'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i dont think so either vakieh, cant take things written thousands of years ago and translated dozens of times so litterally'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So I can pick my own religion? Why bother having a Bible at all then?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Maybe 'god'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Maybe 'god' was a mistranslation of 'Strength of the Human Spirit'?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'because every religion has its own book'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Or perhaps 'god' was the cavemen's word for the Aliens?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'true, Modi, but Iosephus, which arugably was the highest regarded historian of the times, accepts the existence of Jesus, though he was a new-born at the time of Jesus' death.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Why not write your own book? Be just as potentially accurate.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'Fine then write us a bible on atheism the'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Like Ron L. Hubbard....'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that could be said about any history, Vakieh. Yet, people do major in history, don't they? So some history books are acceptable for consumption now as it was then.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'and they all teach the same thing, that evil destroys the soul, and good will conquer all'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Yes, history. I have studied it, and if you bring up a religious text as anything more than a treatise on religious practice, you get laughed at.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'to say "I believe in this history, but I don't believe in that other because it isn't convenient to me" is rather hypocritical... '
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'humans are sieves - you need to remind them how to live- religons do this - <---usefull for 95% of the population '
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why bother associating with the historians who laugh at you then?  everything's valid in the world of the unknown, which history mostly is'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'right now were laughing at you Vakieh'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I don't believe the Bible because its sources are not reputable.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i heard a authoritative historian discussing genghis khan as though he didn't deviate from how historian said his thoughts and actions were, to the T'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the other 5% use religon/belief to aid in spiritual/higher practices '
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Who is laughing at me? People who believe in God? I can handle that.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'again, the bible exists so your lack of belief is inconsequential. Though  if you are referring to its contents, that's another subject altogether.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Though I think laughing at me sends you to hell...who knew?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but i was thinking he should be acknowledging that he doesn't know but with the evidence concluded these things instead - he's not paid for that, he's paid to say that's exactly how it is'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The Bible *is* its contents'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, the bible is a book with content.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'so is harry potter and the sorcerer's stone'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'any text is its interpretation and implementation ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'to say "I don't believe in the bible" is to say "I don't believe the book exists"'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'the Bible is in every religion not only one '
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'the content is a message, do what is right, all people know the difference between right and wrong'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'What purpose does separating the entity from its contents serve? I believe neither'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'if you dont , then you are mentally ill'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The Bible exists, but I believe it fiction.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if the bible contained blank pages it would still be an existing book, Vakieh.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And Modi, what is wrong with homosexuality? Or not getting married? Different people have different ideas on right and wrong'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'What does it matter if/how the 'Bible' exists, it is irrelevant to anything. What matters is the contents.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'whats wrong is that you cant create children'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'So?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Who cares?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Oh wait, 'God' cares'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'jacking off doesn't create children either'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so what if the bible is fiction to the intellectual elite - where did the take the naming of their meetings from, the G-summit , this sounds like a mountain top yeah?  Baphomet the mountain goat?  maybe.. or else Moses talking with the angels on the flaming mountain that could not be touched, surrounded by flames and smoke etc - riot police with handguns beating on protestors, the men are flames is a verse somewhere in the bible, although out of context of this metaphor possibly - as the entire bible is a fiction to them maybe that doesn't apply'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'thats just as wrong as homosexuality'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Bertilak laughs at Modi mercilessly.
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Should sterile people be virgins forever?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'except that it doesnt spread disease'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Who says it's wrong? And what evidence does it have?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but together it can appear that if not a stage of what the bible meant by their saying, at least it is either an interpretation or a uncanny reality that is similar'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You know what spreads disease? Condom-less sex. I wonder who is to blame for that?.......'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos raises an eyebrow at Modi's weird actions.
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'if masturbation is wrong then you're gonna be pretty lonely up there'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'phobias are subjective, Modi.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'this debate is going no where were back on the bible case which was the first subject'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Lol...Frav finds a topic distasteful, and one in which all of his arguments are bullshit...and so tries to shift it back to a moot point.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'Then carry on your argument I'm not stopping you I'm just saying no one is going to win'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'through all the other things we all debated about were back at the beginning which is the bible'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'isn't there a quote about winning arguments on the internet and the special olympics?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then for the conspiracy to continue, for our god is an all consuming fire is a verse in the bible - to analogize this into the real world there is dictator world domination N.W.O kind of groups to consider, and the desire for their riot police to take over the entire world so that nowhere will their mountain be touched'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'personally, I am of the belief, that "god" and "satan" were two factions of an extra planetary presence on Earth :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i believe that spirituality is possible also the unknown, i can prove that by not knowing a bunch of things'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'sounds an awful lot like scientology'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but there's also human's and deception to consider'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the best thing about scientology is the chicks that they use to recruit you :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'your moms a scientologist'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'flirty fishing , been done before ? '
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so, it's quite pleasant and you can make it last as long as you want :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'wonder how much revenue scientology pulls in these days...'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a lot less than the Catholic Church :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'was just thinking that'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Per member a LOT higher though :-P'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Catholic Church is the #1 corporation in the world :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but... how large is the gap?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the have over 1B members, Vakieh, they don't have to give much :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'But think when Scientology grows to 1B :-P'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'doubt it very much'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Not many kids escaping Scientology Parents lately'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like the marilyn manson song, without the threat of death there's no reason to live at all - without the existance of a enemy church on earth the rich one wouldn't have as much of a excuse why it's rich and would also have alot more eyes monitoring how that money is spent - as it is it's protection 'by god' spending itself on who knows what, isn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i like the idea of churches built by communities of individuals who aren't controlled by a centralized god dispenser'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if there's gonna be churches, could be like city halls too'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Sc won tax-exempt in 1993 and quit filing revenue reports... it's estimated to be around 500m a year. In 2001, the Catholic church was estimated to pull in about 100b a year.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if their numbers grow extreme, those that feel a threat will likely take extreme measures'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Sc does a lot of weird investments and stuff too, like producing movies.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the government taxes them for electricity and other things, why not provide free candles and wood to burn as a community to disconnect them from that grid, and make the insurance company cover in the event it burns down lest it loses all of your community members investments'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hell, the community could build it without the use of a contractor even, charity work, and maintain it etc'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am glad you have a taste for Medieval social structures, Druzil :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think things that people do together to build have more sentimental value than mysticism provides from a stranger'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I think the problem IS that people put too much sentimental value into their work :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you think people who administer the automotive assembly lines put alot of feelings into the work the machines that they orchestrate produce?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or other stuff like that, it's different than if somebody was to kill an animal, skin an animal, dry it's hide and make you a pair of moccasins with his wife decorating them for you'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'so basically the amish'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's why people find artifacts and souveniers so neat, they're not production line depersonalized junk'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, not into the machines, into the fact that they derive power from their job :) If they behaved like the machines, things would go better, not to mention they would be more productive :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is no system involvement at all since the application has no entry in the registry.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'am i still here ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '22 std drinks - here'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'dru ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'sorry'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Superman > Batman?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Batman's only power is being rich.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Christ > Superman ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'He could afford a bit of krypto, though.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'We did the bible for like 5 hours last night, let's talk about something important.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Could Batman have stopped Doomsday?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Well, whilst Christ was killed by a couple of nails, it took Doomsday to kill Superman. They both resurrected, and Superman got more than 3 days out of it, too.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Anyone read the wired story with Stellar Wind updates?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Kony video maker Jason Russell faces weeks in hospital http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17468999 that's odd isn't it?  they act like he's starstruck, instead of questioning whether or not he's been receiving death threats and visits from local gangsters connected to the criminal he documented - maybe that's the extent of it, but i wouldn't doubt it if his wife's just afraid to speak of the people who caused that scene'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'didnt he get out of the psych ward yet?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't know, i just reading it now'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i heard they dumped him in a psych ward when he claimed that a foreign dictator sent goonsa fter him.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'really, so the people putting him in a psyche ward maybe are on his payroll then'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'he was running around naked in d/t San Diego :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'nah, most shrinks are used to hearing the ' they're out to get me speech''
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'from people who have ample evidence to support their claims?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos, so what, san diego is full of gay men that enjoy the sight of naked stars running around'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil juries review evidence, not cops or shrinks'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well even if that is true, he is no star :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'san diego's full of shemalse and people who walk around naked all the time isn't it?  maybe that's just what the tv says'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if hes no star, then they ought not publish so much about him.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't see why that would raise an alarm'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil yes, it is. '
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they also have a huge problem with drunk driving and cops that use meth'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they have one of the nations lowest prices per chip of cocaine too'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but thats not to say it couldnt just be from low demand o.O'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'the department of justice publishes figures of national drug intelligence that have price listings'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the american drug enforcement agency also seizes drug shipments off the coast of panama, preventing them from being smuggled into the USA, and then flies them to miami florida for examination'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil that sounds cheaper than shipping them to florida'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think it takes a real fool to believe that them cops don't sell what they're paid to prevent sale of'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or somebody who trusts the system anyways, i'm not one of them'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil there's a fine line between delusional paranoia, and regular paranoia'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'too fine to make a difference :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos how come they dont arrest people for running around naked in alaska, but they do in san diego?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you were a cop selling drugs getting paid by the tax payer and the addict and his suppliers and you had all kinds of money to spend on professionals to represent your hiding place, anything that leans towards you being what you were would be considered paranoia or anything else they're paid to parrot'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all it takes is a view of the hazing process and the smut they make people go through to get an education in america, and you see who fills the shoes of your authority figures'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that falls more in the realm of guilty conscience :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's nothing new the criminals/cartels wearing police uniforms and stuff like that, plenty of cases in phillipine's and some other nations going on today - plus apparently just south of the mexican border for 5-6 years their police force was exclusively criminals, gotta be pretty stupid to not see the same being possible in your own state'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'seen that one some national geographic show'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil americans are too honest for that to happen here.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think it was phillipeans, there was a few nations mentioned - cops doing drive by shootings, disposing of bodies and all kinds of things'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil its not hard to dispose of a body'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'even killing prominent members of society's children'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil nod... thats why rich people hire private security'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'harder to get away with it, though'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hans not if you're the cop that looks for the guy'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's always someone else watching you, though'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hans, not according to druzil'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's my belief that the highest seats of authority on earth are corrupt'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and with the eye of eyes being rotten i don't have much faith in other than individual deviancy from not seeing corruption'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil do you think crooks trust cops more than you do?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'probably'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is it a good thing to mass-advertise (through university participation campaigning, etc) the islamic religion, when such a firm line is cast between unbelievers and infidels?  i can understand a church separating their belief from others, but checking the news i see that everywhere where islam is majority religion -everywhere- any members of any other faith or minority population is eradicated over time - to me it's similar to intellectual racism, as peoples thoughts on religion are usually not divinely inspired but given to them by another person or his writings, i don't see what's so holy about this hatred compared to racism'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's a good debate topic imo, i lived around christians and freemasons and members of all kinds of religions my whole life, even some islamic people - but none of them ruled the streets with their god'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'not even the ones that worship money or mammon?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'money yeah, most people call it foolishness to draw a connection between the economy and religion though'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'well even clint eastwood in the pale rider says that you cannot serve both mammon and god'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'my favourite eastwood movie might be the preacher, or is that the same one?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's where i discovered there's actually an american law professor who's surname is lawless - from glancing at the credits'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil the one where he takes a big ole pickaxe and breaks a rock?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is whitehorse northwest territories symbolic of the revelation in the bible?  yellowknife and great slave lake - i wonder if the naming scheme of places on earth tells a story'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'yellowknife has navajo right?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sheen no, thats what he said.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mischan'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe, there's slave lake in alberta, but great slave lake northeast of there somewhere - supposedly indians used to make blades out of copper and it was named after their knives - yellowknife'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Charlee Sheen: 'Nice. >_>'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'apparently alot of them , or maybe all, were relocated or disappeared'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil copper isn't yellow.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's what i read anyways'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's yellowish :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they say whitehorse was named after the rapids of a river before it was dammed in the 1950's, but looking at the symbolic meaning one is Dominant white, a genetic mechanism that produces true white horse on wikipedia'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'druzil, what about those 4 horsie merqabaha guys that has death riding a pale horse?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe racist mentality, or there's also the white horse mentioned in revelation - could have been a hyena too couldn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its not a white horse mentioned in revelation its a pale one.'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude bonks The Imp Druzil on the head for being such an UTTER moron.
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's a white one too'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and the name that sat on him was Death...'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nah, i was thinking of the one that makes war on people, all the slave lakes and stuff, who ever decided to name bodies of water slaves?  another verse in the bible is the people are waters'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i can keep rolling things like that around in my mind without consequence though, other people might not be able to - i'm always looking for signs of intelligence in the world'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://bible.cc/revelation/6-2.htm this one'
T3/r6/2012-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'whatever it says just the figure was what i was thinking of, making war on people enslavery extinction etc, damning a horses mane you name your town after'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'req'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'er mishcan'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I think butts are worthwhile subjects to study.'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'ggz, if you got 300 billion dollars a year in bribes, and a gulf of mexico oil spill only dented 20 billion of your crooked money, imagine what kind of things you could'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'anybody else notice the price of gas doubled to commemorate bp's charitable cleanup bill?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i guess it's unrelated'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'their CEO's got a record breaking holiday bonus that year too'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some people should drown in oil'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos . o O ( some have... )
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'doesn't mean they're the right ones though'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://www.aljazeera.com/video/europe/2012/03/201232015012488911.html check it out though, 300 billion a year in bribles - where they study the blowout preventer is in norway pretty near to their unrelated side-incomes'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's the GDP of denmark and their historial porno collections'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'bribery and corruption is pretty much rampant in all countries'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'not in finland. it's kind of creepy, really'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's the ultimate in homosexuality to fear a government like that'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how can somebody call themself a man after being such a coward'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you go out and kill yourself an animal, you can take your time and watch the hope in its eyes that you know you're going to ignore as you finish it off - human's and their government's aren't any different'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you don't give into the demands of a killer, they're gonna kill you anyways eventually'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'prayer is the hope you ignore'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all power on earth is held by satan and his clergy'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so god must be the satan of the world since satan's world preaches god'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://www.fullcontactjousting.com/new-reality-tv-show/ here people ride horses at eachother with a separator down the middle, with steel armor and a long metal shaft they try to knock eachother off'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is this another progress of poverty?  job opportunities of the ancient rome people figure they grew out of'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'restate in less cryptic english'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'learn how to not give orders'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or are you retarded enough that you actually can't understand that?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is this another progress of poverty: learn how to not give orders'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'look how to look on the bright side of negativity'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'don't you like clowns?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i wonder if it's considered against the rules to knock your enemies pole out of the way before knocking him out of the way?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe use the pole to knock their pole off and pull out a crowbar to finish them off'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the ancient rome citizens are extinct, and the job opportunites supplied then (warmongering, hack'n'slash, invasions, enslavement, tribute, lead poisoning, bad religions, etcetera) are not appropriate these days'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah really, but those things still exist.. poverty is the reason america and so many other places has so much soldiers - and the job opportunies taht follow a person with service records'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so restate in proper english (and do not end statement with a preposition)'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if it wasn't for poverty and people were well off they'd be less likely to piss into their community well and fill it with pesticides while selling their village to australia mining companies and getting replaced with immigrants'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's lots of courses of rational negativity that are actually real which can be seen to contradict the world has evolved theory'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're not fighting to defend what they already have, they're fighting to have something to defend, which is their job - fighting'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'plus things like the video games and mass-media brainwash people into thinking it's pretty fun'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'very roman and ostragoth'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if the people lancing eachother off horses for your history tv priori entertainment had alternatives which were sufficient, would they be doing it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't think so, if that armor gives they're impaled'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'to make it even more roman, the head of christ lords on earth is the pope in vatican city , the nation in the capital of italy'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'which is the first or second largest landowner on the planet - and according to a excerpt from cities of the underworld, america went to war with italy in the 1930's to prevent the mafia from being exterminated by mussolini - while releasing a mob boss from prison for his services into the streets of new york'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so mafia, pope's, america saving the criminals from somebody who doesn't want crooked people running his nation'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'also the time that michaelangelo the sculptor/artist existed painting murals of humiliated slaves on the cistine chapel walls was within 50 years of ivan the red and the cathedral of the assumption he was annointed the russian christ in being built by an italian'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so russia, italy, america, seems they own about everything'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and poland too, apparently they're very holy there'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the television show dragon's den originated in japan too - why is it now a global standard to have a dragon's den in every media outlet on earth?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mind-control on a global level, hitler and stalin used it, so did the inventor of the cia'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's my belief - they call it marketing and public demand'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but do you know the names of those upon whom you overlavish praise'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't accuse individuals except as a side effect sometimes or a conditional statement'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that way i don't come up short much, because the problem can always run deeper than the obvious, even if the obvious seems well hidden'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'chicken little is scared by a dropped acorn and runs screaming that the sky is falling'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's actually not preposterous at all, watch some axe body spray commercials and tell me those special effects aren't overly violent and evil'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or the goodyear or was it a different company?  beaver doing the double tap heil salut'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and refuses to name the acorn lest he come up short'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so joke of the nazi germany salute demonized in the media being used in modern advertising for tier companies'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cause the beaver survived so they had a road washed out, naturally nazi's come to mind'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://www.yourbizvids.com/view_video.php?viewkey=4b18d14821dc88fea063 bridgestone it is'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBAOsxUseZo last one was incomplete'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what does that tell you the directors expect the audience to think when they see that?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'any identification at all with some famous villains of the modern day?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but were you given permission by the jews to play the nazi card'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i live in canada, i don't need permission from cultures to discuss them - sort of like south park except not used in mockery'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'does south park get permission from the canadians to kill them in their childrens cartoons?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'children in Canada receive special exemptions'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and i wasn't even discussing jews was i?  seems roma people and other people thought pretty lowly of germans too'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, well if you want to come play nazi hunter on me go right ahead, i'm only separated by half a century'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how come you don't play nazi hunter on the director of that video?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade liked the poster of the S Perls poem placed under a hansome picture of Adolf
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'handsome'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Druzil:  Quote -h 12'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not bad i guess, although i don't idolize people'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why do you place those words below his picture?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'especially when they're possibly very evil types of people that make me sick, i'll discuss them but i don't validate them, that's up to god in my opinion cause he knows it all'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'f s perls was a jew that authored that poem included at the front of his book on Gestalt psychology'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you seem to wield adolf hitler like a priest wields hellfire, condemning the unbelievers to death that he can't see himself, but using their ignorance as a weapon'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'atheists and priests got some things in common'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'antitheist would be more accurate though'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i see, i never read that book'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'to get a copy of the poem required visiting second hand bookstores to purchase that book'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'with a fact like that though, mussolini wanted to remove mafia corruption from italy which america released a mob boss from prison to defy before making war on them - what other facts are out there?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there was no internet then'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people think of world war 2 as nothing but the good guys destroying the murderers - but people aren't taught of holodomor, great purge and the adjacency of poland to germany either'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'with possible facts like that out there, there might be alot more to it than that'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'today murderes exist too you know, same with evil politicians'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Herr G W Bush was evil'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the Stasi german police - never heard of that until i seen it on aljazeera'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'their crimes went unaccounted for to this day, and their members went on to occupy over 15,000 seats of authority within germany, not including where else they went'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Winston Churchil was a war criminal (in the version of the past where england lost WWII)"'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think he was the one who ordered the bombing of the civilian population of dresden in response to coventry'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he didn't attack the military infrastructure surrounding the city, or the industrial complexes, the civilians'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'antitheists are different to rabid atheists'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'antitheists develop the truths that most atheists repeat'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'even if they are theory's and comparisons of variable way's of considering those theories'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'atheists and theists are similar in that their beliefs are based upon faith'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'does holocaust guilt sell tires?  i mean, that bridgestone commercial has nadda, absolutely no reason at all to include that scene '
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'very few to no people alive today had anything at all to do with it'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'what commercial are you watching??'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBAOsxUseZo on the canadian mass-media at least in between nearly every television show break'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'since it's a superbowl commercial too it's not limited to airing here'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it bothers me because it doesn't belong'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is there no other way to sell tires?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'not sure how that relates to the holocaut.'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'look at the beaver's salute and compare it to the nazi reel's they played you on television'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the man returing it, and pointing the finger before the ending'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's only one modern place where that salute is identified with, and that's in 1930-1940 germany'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this is a television commercial from 2011 - 70 years hence'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what are the advertisers trying to tell people about their tires, and were the elements they selected the most natural ones?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'thats a fist bump to the chest then pointing to the other character. I think many black people use that for saying they care about the other person.'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's an example of brainwashing was why i mentioned it in the first place'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he could sell snow cones to an eskimo yeah, how about tires to a jew?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you'd think their CEO would consider that and have revoked that commercial in his business strategy'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'why would he revoke a commercial that doesn't even remotely resemble sieg heil?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i love my heritage, i can make fun of the nazis, holocaust and slavery because "you weren't there"'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'is there actually commercial where some characters are sieg-heiling or is druzil off his meds again?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'abelinc see's the similarity but he's on his corporate meds'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'they are doing the pound heart with fist and point thing, although the beaver does look a little like the heil hitler thing.'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i think druzil doesn't have any black friends'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the guy doing it keeps his elbow tucked into his body...the beaver's arms are too stubby to be able to tell what he's doing if he does it like that'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'nothing watching the NBA couldn't fix.'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you'd have a better case for calling sieg heil when a baseball player points to the outfield to call a homer'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'look up the definition of holocaust in the bible too, another element of the commercial is a torrential flood - which happens to be one of the meanings of the word'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or the dictionary*'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'interesting...'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You smirk at her saying.
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so, what's the demonic meaning behind this ad then? '
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'divine it for yourself, i said what i find strange about it'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm going to go with "off the meds"'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'another explanation is "on crack"'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'another estimation is you're my mortal enemies'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nah, druzil has his "natural high"'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we'll fix that one day'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'epic showdown?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'until the end of time, you'll never break me'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'can't break something that's already fractured into 1,000 pieces'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i don't appreciate the holocaust talk tho, my grandpa died in a concentration camp'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's just too bad, maybe he should have killed you instead'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'fell down from the guard tower and broke his neck :('
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if your grandpa wasn't anything like you'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you seem to appreciate the bridgestone commercials'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'want to see an ongoing crime against humanity then you don't have to look far'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i wouldn't know. haven't watched tv for 10 years'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i do like nazi jokes tho'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so you're the only one that lost somebody in the world war 2 era is your nazi jokes against anybody not your jew self'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's just funny like how many canadians and americans went over there by force to save your ass'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then you and your mock of a heart think you're some great savior god's against the retributioned enemy'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'fuck that, you and your shit can go straight to hell if it doesn't shit you'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'druzil, you seem to have missed that dagnir's placing himself on the other side of the war...'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Suddenly, Salvanas: 'we really need a "rambling monologue" channel on here...'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'save my ass? hehe, i don't think you're familiar with european history'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so he's a nazi then'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is that what you're saying?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he seems to think that cause his grandpa died he has the liscence to mock your life'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not many jews were on the watchtowers that I know of'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'maybe. i found a picture of a guy in a nazi uniform among family photos i inherited. no idea who he was'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and he's mocking you, not my life :-)'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'evil for him, death's just a pulse away'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and well, the americans and canadians didn't do dick for us'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sure we did...we fucked yer wimmins'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'not ours'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so... it seems to me like the floridan law is saying that, among other things, if two people get into a fight, they both have the right to kill each other, regardless of who started it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Is that this guy that chased and killed the unarmed guy?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And if so, the law actually states "A white man may kill a black man, and it's all good" oh wait, no it doesn't...'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'say hanslanda, do you think that its possible for an anti semite to still be a psychiatrist even with all of freud's contributions to psychiatry?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Freud is just one small part of the field.  Probably so.'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'really? who else is big in psychiatry? wentz?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Anti semite is pulled out like a wet blanket. Saying you don't like xxx person, who happens to be a Jew, is enough for an anti semite label, apparently'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Loewi. But he was also a jew.'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Psychiatrists are Psychologists who can give you drugs.'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'well, if somebody's an asshole with money he can use the media and his lawyers and judges and everybody to shape the thoughts of you in their minds'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Saying you hate black people is enough to be a racist. Should the bar really be set any higher?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Black people? Or *a* single person, who happens to be black'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Taking 2 minutes to find out you dislike someone isn't the same as instantly deciding the same thing based on their appearance.'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'all the black people I know hate niggers.'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'The *worst* thing about niggers ... The *WORST* thing... (I love Chris Rock.)'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Did you see that video of Katt Williams taking that Mexican dude apart?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'That was pretty awesome of him.'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'is he back to Katt now?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'dirkdiggler, zade, abelinc, dagnir, vampiredude, godot, atticus, wyverex, zade and a few others all seem to belong to a hate-group'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and it's definitely racist, nationalistic etc'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I didn't know he was anything else... I may be calling him by the wrong name if he's changed it recently.'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or is he still using his raghead name?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're like that, if you discuss something right away they'll say you're racist even though it had nothing to do with racism'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they block your thoughts with fear of being perceived as racist in their minds which are all racist'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Racism is stupid. But if that's how you feel, own it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's a survival mechanism'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'killing kittens because you can isn't survival'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and it all boils down to which king you'd rather not offend.'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'wow.... druzil grouped me into a hate group just for asking him about leviticus 20:6 ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oh well, my ego seems intact'
T3/r6/2012-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude leaves to go see the film.
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'interesting how zimmerman is reported as white in some articles, hispanic in others, and white hispanic in yet others. Wonder if it has any correlation to left/right/moderate stances in the respective outlets...'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how many jobs per person will there be in automated 2021?'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how long until the.. final solution?'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all of them'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe it won't get that bad, the possibilities are endless'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there'll be more poverty, that's for sure'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yep, not lookin good from here'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'assisted suicide seems to be legalized in quebec now, for individuals who can't deal with the pain psyhologically or physically'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'as judged by a doctor/professional'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lord falconer got his hands in britains before that'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'organ donation is mandatory and you have to be aware of it before opting out in some places there - so the organ traders might see some psychological torment where there is none'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and i guarantee if that unlikely conspiracy possibility became a reality, nobody would be monitoring the people who do it'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not many luddites left in the world, they had their heads on straight though'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we had a government budge here this week'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then there's jitters in the catoon bonkers, his favourite saying was 'just kill me', i bet they didn't see that becoming other than a demand back then'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but there's more important things than removing the chiefs of the people who lead them to that 2021 problem'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that doesn't make much sense to me'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'world is ripe for revolution'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i wouldn't feel so badly towards things like skyscraper farming using artificial lighting etc, if they weren't making that neccessary - if they were using the resources responsibly that are already available and making their man-made solutions as efficient as possible - but they really don't do that in the least, they destroy nature and then find solutions to keep on destroying it and pave what's already gone while making money'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'money's not that important'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so with cuts to social programs (which are largely due to most people not being rich) being hte main priority of every single politician on earth, catering to privatization while natural resources are fenced off or made toxic - what does that say about the automated 2021 and the jobs that won't exist for the people who seem to be increasing?'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'britta water filters are a nice solution so far, but they can easily raise the price on those and up the security at the doors'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's a sad coincidence having african poverty commercials played on television while your own bleeding heart society degrades into the condition they mourned'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and really, it's a very few individuals who are to blame, while several are clueless'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and it is true they make natural resources toxic that are in the public domain, there's a current example in a pulp mill in one south american nation who's chemicals flow downstream and make the villagers sick in the neighbouring nation'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bangladesh also had their water toxified by industry - which both were monitored by the UN and found not guilty'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the us and canadian governments allow armed agents of monsanto chemical and seed company to -beyond a doubt- plant evidence that they later discover on farmer's crops if farmer's don't use their product and pay them a yearly royalty on their yield'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then they sometimes burn down 2 barns and shop in a single week'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the cops don't see anything strange about it, in the same time frame when the farmer said no to them'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylraak: '"plant evidence". I see what you did there.'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'YOU KNOW WHATS HILARIOUS?  Druzil has ME ignored....hahaha  I dunno why I havnt ignored him yet'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'i think his rants are amusing and then i still get the talk trash outloud about him and he can't see it'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylraak: 'And there is no 'planting' of evidence. Cross-pollination of crops happens via nature. '
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler farts in the direction of The Imp Druzil.  Better flee before he turns to you!
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kylraak: 'Doesn't make masanto any less of a devil though'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'well, nature has a way of costing farmers upwards of 500,000 dollars and all they own in court'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cause the court always cides with the bleeding heart of poor monsanto'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cross polilnation is only one way as well, there's also artificial pollination where those agents do what i said and dust the plants themselves'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'can you prove they weren't just randomly cross-pollinated or forcefully by the people who the court cides with?'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now they have 5000 more acres of land to play on'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i haven't read of a single case where monsanto lost in court more than they had to gain by winning'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they even got away with not paying the vietnam soldiers for handling the agent orange herbicide they were ordered to spray'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's what i read anyways, lots about it on the internet'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'also they say the FDA didn't acknowledge records of their evidence against a decision on several occasions while their administration were shareholders in monsanto, apparently it's a hit with judges and all kinds of scientists'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's a federal company paid too much to make sure your food and water and stuff is safe for human use and the environment working for monsanto'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nobody even questions exxon and the supreme court of the USA about the 20 billion dollar grievance allowance owning since 1989 being reduced to 500 million in 2005-2006'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think i'm the only one who i ever seen mention it'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'beyond the media which didn't make the observations or ask the questions'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if the world's ran by the devil and everybody knows it then i prefer that corruption is practiced openly and there's no laws left'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'since i see people in charge of everything getting away with breaking the law on a regular basis in very large numbers, the law only seems to exist to protect the criminals'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'and your mom'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nobody in the history of the USA was convicted of treason'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they was charged though'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most nations are like that'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'your mom druzil...your mom'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler  knows Druzil had Dirkdiggler on the ignore list
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '(i mean the tops)'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's no surprise though, both hitler and stalin walked away from their crimes without punishment'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'within their own nations at least'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you're sending your nation's men and women to war over foreign oil agreements signed 55 - 70 years earlier, you're probably aiding a foreign government in overthrowing your own'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'ESPECIALLY if that fact isn't stated plainly for all to hear'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'isn't that the case?  demonization occurred from the outside'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Some experts claim this abundance of oil played into United States and its allies' decision to wage the 1991 Persian Gulf War and challenge Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein in subsequent years. http://articles.cnn.com/2003-03-10/us/sprj.80.1938.oil_1_saudi-arabia-petroleum-standard-oil?_s=PM:US'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's in the 1930's when the president of the USA signed a contract with them - strait of hormuz is what the same thing's about - that's what's good about american life yeah, you live in america and don't consume a drop of oil from saudi arabia or those regions but you go there and keep it flowing'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you think they can't produce their own oil and stuff?  that makes no sense, making war purely over greed'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'I rubbed oil on your mom druzil'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe they infiltrate all governments through it, who knows'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but the people doing most of the dying receive nothing good for their services'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think all wars on earth today are founded on corruption and human weakness'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '(for the exploitation)'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'druzil it doesnt bother you that I'm having an affair with your mother?'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'yea I didnt think so'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'also these FARC rebels i hear of in the news sometimes, they challenge soldiers - except the soldiers they challenge work for oil corporations and their interests - and their government supports the interests of the oil company above it's own citizens'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but the media sees it the way of the government and corporation - knowing full well how little human life is worth to them that isn't their own'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the price of fuel goes up the more land producing it you conquer too, isn't that funny'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'canada consumes 5-10% of it's yearly production of fuel but pays more for it than america does, which exports over 40% of that'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'import*'
T3/r6/2012-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'export's probably accurate too since canadian government might all belong to the group that runs america and be selling it to themselves'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hey druzil, do you think that mexico is better off now that president obredagon is dead?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'how would he know, just because you were born during that era doesn't everyone else was :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'doesn't mean*'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos, how do i spell pleistocene?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why are you asking, you already spelled it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Plastecine.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'did i spell it the way i ought? or the way i ought not?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Pleistocene is correct'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'is it more fun to convert to catholicism, black hatted buddhism, red hatted islam, orthodox judaism, or orthodox christianity?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I was thinking more along the lines of zen S&M'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos nah, that wouldnt be fun for anyone'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if the massochists enjoy it, the sadists suffer, and if the sadists enjoy it, the massochists suffer'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it just wouldnt work out well.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos so let's cotemplate religiosly instead.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's written in the bible 'thou shalt not tempt the lord thy god', and 'they tempted the lord to anger' but no band wrote a song called either - odd isn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude idly notes that this seems like a music channel topic.
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe proof of a cult behind the metal industry'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '(that's possibly representing the god they blaspheme in the lyrics)'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'oladon asks me where the lyrics are when i discuss things like this'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'which is the question i'm talking about, where are they?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mind control cult church devil worship music connections'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and black batteries, like if the church professing god is the source of the lyrics blaspheming the idea and the idea isn't directly challenged in their music - the source a black magic'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you keep a little hidden and reveal as much to gain the assumtion they're in control'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'have the good and the evil worshipping you is the name of that game, it's been done before'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lots of people been into devil worship, from criminal bosses to politicians'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's possible, that's all i'm saying'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'somebody wrote a book about human batteries (the faithful) giving their energy to the priest who's god is unknown to them'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so even if they was good, it's possible there's some flaws in their belief and through them the priest brings them to satan'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so... instead of a debate with 2 or more persons... we have a soliloquy'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'best to not trust priests without reason, and then challenge their reasons'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we is you, what would you call a four way monologue?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i could be imprisoned in a nushell!'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or are you speaking for the military group you're sitting with?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'yet count myself king of infinite space...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'were it not that i have bad dreams'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why don't you like to discuss what i'm talking about?  the core of human belief too deep for you, maybe you get along keeping it hidden?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you got a mock for everything else'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oh i just dont like discussing with people that put you on ignore because they won the last argument ^_^'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you didn't win any arguement, i put you on ignore because you seem to be the same soul as godot and a few others'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i did win the argument.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you didn't win nothing'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'yes i did.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'nutshell... i meant nutshell... imprisoned in a nushell... what is that?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sotura some nutshells contain cyanide, so there's always a way out'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'it's the best soliliquoy of them all... hamlet's'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i prefer dromio's soliloquy '
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sotura which one of us is spelling it wrongly?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i guess i am... but dromio?  never heard of it'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'dromio, he's this dude in a play by shakespeare.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'who was also a dude'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'dromio, oh dromio, wherefore art thou dromio?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'no ^_^  wrong one that's romeo'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'dromio is in the comedy of errors.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so you fall short of anything but land-titles and praising european dictators, that's funny'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i pick all of your friends out a crowd based on your personality'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'okay, well i pick your personality based on the answer key to the minnesota multiphasic personality index #2!'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you're a 76/67!'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude points excitedly at The Imp Druzil!
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'man-made wisdom test'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'okay, give me a couple lines of dromio's'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's gotta make you smart, under the roof of what you think is somebody elses mind'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sotura ' Sir, I am Dromio, take him away. ''
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'that's from the soliloquy?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'then Dromio says  ' Nay Sir, I am dromio, pray let me stay . ''
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'no its one of dromio's lines'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you didnt say to recite a soliloquy, you said to give you two of his lines'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sotura: 'i see... so far, i prefer hamlet's soliloquy'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'k.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Mischance and sorrow go along with you!  Heart's discontent and sour affliction be playfellows to keep you company!  There's two of you... the devil make a third, and threefold vengeance tend upon your steps!'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cause there's a we you see, that's pretty good'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they're trying to say their computer program's manking's only hope of salvation now, for real, cause web bot predicted 9/11 attacks 3 months before it even happened'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so now everything must pass through an ipod to be transmitted to a nearby radar station sent to your local supercomputer for analyses'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you can think you can write god down on a screen but i think you're full of shit'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they even put wireless access points on homeless people in texas and say it's good use of the poor'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sick bunch of retards'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'more money's spent on threats from solar radiation than on job creation, cause web bot is god'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'faggot world, i hope yellowstone national volcano blows a gasket'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like to see ethiopea implode in places and suck israel down too'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'good old mantle crusting satan'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you're so homosexual you worship the things your male-god thinks of (this computer)'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's like not even worshipping the sentient shit that plops from his ass but his thought of a shit'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bunch of gay intellectual idiots'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'll never understand people and their happiness sucking the thoughts of shits that their human-man god master flakes into them'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they don't conform to the latest asshair they might not succeed in life'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i don't get it either'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'satan's god to me destroying you and your master'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's like it says in my description - your darpa and your new mexican cats with microchips in chicago'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'your stupidity exploited your chanting brainwashed eyes bunch of stupid not even offended at how easily you're led'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then you cut yourself and bleed on their new lies'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'would your personal information being leaked from the insurance company you just had to sign up for cause they consumed all the others have been possible without your web bot interference?  course not'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'when everything was paper and mouth people had to go right in to get their information'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if i ran a nation i would make sure that nothing that was critical was available to the network of foreigners'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some say that's what gaddafi did wrong, he nationalized oil there was usurpring the foreigner's companies and distributing the wealth among his citizens - was one theory i read'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he's possibly an asshole too though, i never met him'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do soldiers work for oil companies?  sure they do - colombia has some'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'privatization of military interests, unionized homicide'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we have a work visa you see'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'eventually lots of people gonna get murdered and they'll see then what i'm talking about'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'why didn't we see it coming, from whence did it come?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if we had only en know an'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'said that all too probably 70 years ago'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the same masters who made them blind then make them blind now'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'll reproduce knowing the governments going to murder or allow the murder of most children here and maybe mine will be one of the raffle winners'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, that's about the extent of somebody who sees the future as it most probably will be's optimism for it if they can put it behind them while it comes'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then there's the famous, i'm going to suck the killer's penis and get a castle on his garbage dump attitude'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'should have their teeth ripped out for cowardice'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we was all satisfied licking our cream and grinding helpless creatures under our treads and soaking up some sun under our non-acne cream liver disease bug repellant formula carried by hades'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and then we got the boot, christ of lords - makes sense if you think about it'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '5 years i predict will be the first wave of government homicides that the people think are ok'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the rothschild family ruled europe for the last 550 years, even the kingdom the queen of england sits in'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they probably live in israel now so you see what makes that place so rotten'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all that forbes richest man in the world stuff is a illusion, the richest people in the world don't ever make the list'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they own all the companies that report on the bank's they own'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's an incriminating illusion though, that's no joke , how do you make 1.5 billion dolalrs a year?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in a place where the average citizen makes 2 dollars a day'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'only way to regain composure and independence is to sever absolutely all communication and ties with europe/africa and asia until it's sure that their influence is no longer a concern'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'otherwise the western nations are nothing but farm animals'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'no travel or nothing'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'russia and china like to beat their chests like king bear kong shit, they should be able to secure their oil in the middle east'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'then if they're all rotten across that whole continent like they already are and try to come over here then there can be a world war 2'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or 3'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that would happen before though, because that control is already in place'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i know all about it'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'better go go out with a bang than eaten by your enemy while you beg for his foregiveness'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'somebody has family over there then they can go join their family, choose their sides'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't mind the idea of -strict- government when that government's not full of shit, and this government is because they don't do everything they can before enforcing what they shouldn't'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'by watching the lines they toe and those they don't i get a accurate picture of just what kind of government they are'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and to me, the government is a bigger terrorist than all the terrorists in the world because of their intrusion on my life'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'those terrorists over there wouldn't even know how to float across the ocean if it wasn't for the government teaching them how to build boats - and then knowing this mine would already have laced the ocean with depth charges'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bunch of clown frauds, dressing up like john wayne gacy who's a nice hannibal lecter victim'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cartoon politicians are a relatively new invention, as late as 1947'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'JFK maybe tried to be real but you see where that got him - who framed roger rabbit?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now they're all frauds and con's'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'politicians actually go to acting school to learn how to make people believe the characters they play'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'phony's'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'don't ask politicians to make up their speeches as they go, recite from the cue cards instead'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'put on the tone your teacher taught you deliver the drama'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do they even understand it all, or do they have somebody else doing that for them?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people get caught up in the spirit and the power and the reverence the position holds in their minds'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'doesn't matter if he calls them all stupid, if you point that out they'll look at you like a parasite'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not much really different between america/canada and north korea in that regards of the dearest of leader'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'shit, i'd dare say they follow the exact same system of politics in varying levels of open-ness'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Druzil is defecating'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tmi'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'both's fundamental tools are the centralization of power at the government, a head of state - timed or not, and a group of people who advise them and know what's best, and the audiences agreement with the public figures working for each'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'repeating what they're told and thinking otherwise is a sin'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it seems that sin's pretty unsin in eachother though'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yes, and mind control/psychological warfare is the attempted punishment of the ostracizing society against dissidents like myself'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'of course, i fall in to the category of retard which knows his enemies actions before they perform them'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's a great threat, having a mind of my own.. '
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so the NSA and the governments of canada, israel and america worked together and made a task force on me'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe paid with some dirty russian money or whatever they want'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and, in some cases, tricking mostly-clueless dissidents into spouting inaccurate nonsense before a small audience of mudders'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade ponders "how does mindcontrol fill the minds of dissidents with even more faulty crap;; and is this good, since a totally deluded raving lunatic is usually less dangerous to society as a whole than a sightly deluded dissident with followers."
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'slightly'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'monkies'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'as long as a deluded dissident is spouting obvious nonsense amidst the other flawed crap, that dissident is not going to receive popular acclaim'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't require dissidents to be delusional'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'plenty of stupid people out there'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and plenty of people who claim to be experts and arsen't'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the politically-correct folk are fast to denounce atrocious errors in a dissident's platform'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and even more people prepared to accept at face value the word of self pronounced experts'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well of course they are'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but they tend to be among the most close-minded, and often stupid of people'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and with "records" of what is said on debate, the faulty speeches by a dissident on this channel are there to be used as evidence against that dissident if that dissident ever aspires for political office (if the political aspirant dissident may be linked to the faulty crap spoken on thses mud channels)'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think anyone who frequents here is likely to go into politics'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'politics is for the corrupt, anyway'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if a dissident is going to defecate faulty crap onto mud channels, and yet aspires to political leadership, be anonymous, very anonymous, on mud channels'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Herr Druzil does not aspire for leadership ??!'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade ponders what Adolf's early speeches sounded like in content
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably entirely reasonable'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'is eric holder a bad person, or is he just not quoted well by the media?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'was mussolini very different from JFK in their objectives of uprooting the mafia's influence on their nation's?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'america maybe took care of both threat's, one was a world war that demonized it the other a random act of violence'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just trying to see peoples opinions is all, i see a similarity and a uncanny presence of america in both of it's occurrences here'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what is the purpose of rehashing what the USA did in WWII -- with the gross lack of wisdom, you are in no position to change the past'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's good to know as much about the enemy as possible instead of the world's god will handle it taught from the enemies world'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'invent your own god at least'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'inventing false gods is bad policy'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the term "false gods" is a bit of an issue'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'either all gods are false, or none of them are'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nothing false about a god that's true to your understanding'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'except somebody elses lack of seeing what you see, and the discourse that follows being full of misunderstandings'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts, grasshopper, you are likely clueless in some topics'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Only gods that exists are non-false. It's up to the claimer to prove they are non-false. So far, no proof has been provided.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you think the people at church today have some actual firm rooted strong unshakeable belief in their own relationship with creator?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts THWAPS Zade for being a moron.
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if so that's what you think, i'm not under that impression because my experiences aren't theirs'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'was that rhetorical or an obfuscation'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so here's a book on calculus that somebody can read but can't explain but somebody else can explain and not read - who's correct?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'neither'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think the one who can explain it's correct if it comes from his understanding, the person doing the reader doesn't require that'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'state the title of this alleged readable/unexplainable book on Calculus'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so reciting the bible and stuff filled with people who might not know nothing about nothing they're talking about, while your own mind and developing faith in it is ignored for faith that his understands the demands of the book your worship'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the act of understanding skews the findings to the perspective of the reader/explainer'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think that's about the root of most religious crimes on earth'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'might be politics too, who knows'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the original understandings knew what they were talking about, nobody else is guaranteed that same advantage'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so it's probably good that people have their own god's instead of somebody elses filled with absence'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not true at all, Druzil.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if it wasn't true at all then i wouldn't be convinced'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i have a head full of lies requiring med's though, yeah?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's the bias I'm referring to.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'amen'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'including myself in the all you speak is a bias? that's fucked up'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so what are you the real person and i'm not?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yourself is bias there my racist buddy'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the story may or may not be true in the purest sense of the word, but the simple fact it has been recorded changes it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yes, I include myself in this.  It will change my religion if I explained it to you, therefore I do not celebrate religion.  All that you need to know is that I believe.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems that Druzil is unwittingly praising the liar authors and compilers of the scriptures (too highly) '
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the only thing sacred about surviving religions is the hopes and dreams towards them of people who aren't absolutely corrupt, and through that religion they are used'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'which makes religion a very detrimental problem that's not based on your monopoly on life'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'delusions are not sacred'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the people could be sacred without the use of a middleman if they wanted'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sure they are, Zade.  The illusion that there's a higher power at work, whether it be technologically superior or supernatural.  What group doesn't fight and lather spittle at the very thought that their investment in X might somehow be wrong or retarded?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'investment in big oil, disappearing pandarosa rainforests, gold under dem dere mother of god rainforests'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what are those new brazilian exxon valdez bp 's about, and the one along the great lake river'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nothing important, lets drill the arctic where nobody can see our investment paying off'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'even in the tiny world of government conspiracy, the same processes are at work to create and maintain the crazy.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they name a natural gas field in norway after heimdal's horn too, amazing stuff, war of the man-made gods'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'either something "sacred" is based on a true god, or that "sacred" is a fase sacred and thus not sacred at all '
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'false sacred'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most people are under the illusion their little canary seed sodomy life is security and will be like that forever, so they don't want things to change - voting conservative'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most of their ancestors would probably puke if they seen the lives they live'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'zade is a false sacred'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they did far, FAR worse than us, Druzil.  The problem with humanity, according to some experts, started with the invention of agriculture.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and since all religious gods are false gods,  the religious sacred is also a false sacred'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how does agriculture hurt anything?  experts don't know much about manual labour'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who is suggesting it does harm?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so you would hold that the absence of godly powers is a sacred thing, yes?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'check out the luddite's, the most significant modern prophets in history'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nostradamus got nothing on their equilibrium'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'agriculture permitted society to develop technology '
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'their prophecy wasn't profitable, but it paid off for their enemies that made it happen'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a modern (today actually) example, is the petrol truck drivers in england going on strike and england training military personel to take their place'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'agriculture is satanic.  It gave us enormous amounts of free time, allowing societies to develop specializations.  Given that idle hands are the Devil's playthings, it is logical that he would work to create more toys, yes?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'oil industry is satanic, agriculture is the work of god'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they did have one without the other and there's no moderation today'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'new laws came in today to make illegal offensive chanting at football matches'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'where'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Scotland'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in today's game, Rangers mocked the pope, and Celtic fans mocked the IRA'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'are the scottish going to arrest the whole stadium'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's proven that human's can live without hte use of fossil fuels on the untainted earth that goes through mostly natural changes, but it's not proven that man can exterminate that relatively eternal reality and live on un-natural mineral deposits put together from the world they came from'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and alterations to crops - check out the 1972 corn blight in america, GMO corn seed was used almost exclusively in large swaths of american cornland'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best way to save the planet is to kill all the humans'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'only the crops that weren't genetically altered survived and were able to adapt'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's not many of those left now'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now that CAN and possibly WILL be used in warfare in the future, as a subsidy to royalties on every crop on earth and owning the processes they go through to arrive at the store you may or may not be afford to go to'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and that's only a man-made problematic aspect of it - naturally it can result in vast quantities of lost crops and irreversible damage to the food supply'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they try and feed people but we have to use mutants to save humanity - which isn't the fact'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the fact is in canada at least, the canadian government offered top dollar for hogs on a record low year for selling them which farmers jumped at, and those operations were given to people who will use genetically modified 'pork machine' pigs'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the real pigs was there, being pigs on farms distributed all over the place, but they get replaced - and now it's all un-natural so naturally you require it to survive'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'those can all get wiped out with a unforseen problem as easily as that corn did'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or intelligently like teh man would'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'irreversible?  The biggest extinction event wiped out  of all species on the planet and terran life didn't fully die (though it took 30 million years to recover).'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'bah, %90.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you weren't around to see it i wouldn't put weight to your beliefs'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's as many possibilities of the past as there is minds and only observing small fractions of time can you estimate what occurred back then'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'dude, that's JUST what we can see from the geological record.  There's more that didn't get preserved.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so you think cause big extinction from our small observation platform might have happened 'authoritatively exactly within the words of the experts', what you're doing today on the planet is nothing special'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's a faith in ignorance'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'look at how ugly the world is under the guidance of your experts'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's how much faith they're due'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the Earth would only be a little over 600,000 years old if your experts were in control.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'biology records claim that over 75% of the worlds known biodiversity as of 1885 went extinct since then'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'don't see any death like implications about that?  cause i do'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the keyword is known.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and there were a lot of hideous mistakes made in the environmentalism movement that essentially CAUSED the big problems we see today.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cutting down all the forests was a bad start'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'letter latino's control the world's lungs isn't a great idea, either'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither is letting arabs control the oil'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I was referring just to the animal sides of things.  Environmentalists tried to save the timber wolf and they almost forced their extinction because they didn't know shit about timber wolves.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or the americans, for that matter'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the USA does not deserve to "control" the oil either'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'China does not deserve to "control" the oil'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why not?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'seriously, we don't.  America is very oil-poor compared to the rest of the world.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it isn't, hans'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'any supposed control we have is from our fiat economy.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'latino's don't seem to control the world's lungs, as far as i could gather most of the profitable industries in latin america are operated by russian companies, indian companies (from india) operating on behalf of russian stakeholders and the swiss'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then the latino governments need to legislate and nationalise the forests'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're supposed to be good at that'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'kleave the oil in the ground for future generations (although with the four horsamen of the Apocalypse coming, there may be no future generations)'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the military and government and all that seems likely to all belong to their payrolls - soemtimes directly in the case of the FARC resisting that i read about, the soldiers who work for the interests of the oil company'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm sure they got some bad apples and stuff too, but i don't believe in the utmost rot in all people, people who live there probably don't want toxic waste for water and no place to live etc'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hard to imagine why china being in control of the oil would be any different to the arabs, or the yanks'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'oil is controlled by large corporations with no allegiance to any nation'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in bbc archives of the last 8-10 months is two articles in tandem of a week, one was environmental sanctions on brazilian rainforest deforestation being lifted, the other was two brazilian environmentalists being murdered ( a man and his wife )'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they happened in the same week, but the United Nations didn't investigate'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you sound surprised'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or rather, you're implying that this isn't normal'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if it is normal, then reality has no right to call me abnormal'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's no such thing as normal'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'besides which, abnormal != incorrect'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i wish they'd show contrasts in what they want people to believe towards what they don't want mentioned on the news more often, comparison's that are most likely linked and stuff, leave the viewer to stimulate their minds and think for themselves some more, the more imput the democratic government has into a situation, the more views and opinions, the wiser it is'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but democracy's only a word used mockingly'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, our media spoon feeds opinions and passes them off as fact'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, that's about as obvious as it can get with the reporter ignoring the observations of people who moved to regina from weyburn saskatchewan cause their farm turned into toxic waste'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'such as the headline that Whitney Houston died from drowning after taking cocaine'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and cenovus energy's scientist captivating the trusting attentions of the viewer who observe their trusted reporter being optimistic towards the Co2 project not causing it'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i believe people who live there who aren't multinational trillionairres myself'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this spell of the albino video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVAyFlVw_e8 is very disturbing, but it shows what the media is capable of in a place where no alternative opinions are present or allowed'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'notice the severed arm the reporter is holding saying it's rubber to the man of the same race and the 16 year old girl missing a arm looking similar to that'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's a global phenomenon, not limited to any nation or state, the media is fucked'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'only people like us have any real news to report when we don't desire to deceive people'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people in general, if somebody tries to make somewhere else sound like happyland paradise on the media i wonder about where all the people were relocated to who were poor - like the vancouver olympics and other venues'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'putting on makeup on a whore is all that shit is, history written by a begger is a million times more real than history written by a rich man'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'when i read something about the past i think about the class divides and the type of situations the people who are never heard from went through'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Vancouver poor were likely on welfare - they do not count - so relocating those parasitic leeches to elsewhere (so the Olympics may be built andf held in Vancouver) was reasonably okay'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and benin is a member of the United Nation's, while in their border they have villages of people who's culture murders children who they suspect of being evil spirits'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'their agriculture and things like minerals are too valuable to investigate or question the human rights of in their meetings'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do you think they couldn't have with their bleeding human rights arguements mustered the human resources to have taught them otherwise by now?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'everytime i hear human rights on the news coming from a politician i get sick, because nearly all the time that's either not present on their mind (cue card) they're given that card and reason by another (frontman) or the last thing on their mind (player)'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when inferior humans in depraved villages religiously murder off their children, that is a good first atep to euthanising the lot of those religious savages'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'an american rich banker from standard and poor or something wants to tell the world how to spend it's money too, having successfully impoverished america living in luxury himself he's chanting the great prosperity his position as head of the money snake will bring to poor nations'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how dummy is the american media to not call him out on his bullshit for the majority of the people who get fucked for his fortune?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the world is overpopulated -- when the religious murder off each other,  "puts the lotion in the basket"'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't see any difference between corruption in any other government and corruption in my own, always they're rich you're poor and they work together at one point or another to keep it that way'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's their number 1 agenda since juliius caesar and moses'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'an economy is likely to continue to thrive without the poor -- the poor are expendable'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they call political groups party's, which might have several meanings, but they sure are rich aren't they?  having fun too sometimes debating an issue in public so people think they're actually deciding something'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's always pre-decided though if it's relevant to other than a inconsequential freedom at the time of control focus'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'listening to obama and them talk about pulling out or withdrawing troops is like raping somebody and saying it's almost over just a few more thrusts while they feed them some more date rape drugs and the time seems to slip into eternity'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'harper and his cronies like the idea of war, and canada was a peace-keeper they say'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'also, the poor do not seem to vote, at least they do not seem to vote wisely, as when the political candidates are pathetic and or corrupt'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'turned into a modern-day ukraine sucking up to stalin'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'it's US or them, and the USA prefers US'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Harper is incompetent and or greedy, likely both'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Harper is a toady to the USA'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and what is a "toady" and the etymology thereof -- surely not from Mr Toad of Toad Hall in "Wind in the Willows"'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Mr Toad seemed to be a fool willing to do bad and folish things when distracted by personal desires, and did not seem to be a "toady"'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but if Mr Toad is the etymolody of "toady", then "toady" is an apt insult when applied to clueless greedy corrupt political aspirants'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'etymology'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmmm... I wonder if the price of gold would skyrocket if people started seriously checking for counterfeit gold bars...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/03/25/the-problem-of-fake-gold-bars/'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and repeated serial numbers on bars supposedly held by funds? :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and other forms of "oops, the gold we thought we had, isn't"'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wonder if they'd even dare to go through their stocks bar by bar and check...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I suppose if you really want gold, it would be safer to run your own tests than invest in a fund that probably doesn't care...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'meanwhile, the central banks of all major currencies hitting ctrl+p is not likely to decrease the nominal price of gold'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'governments do not look at gift horses in the mouth :) While they vigorously seek those who counterfeit, the appreciate the fact that counterfeit currency is an interest-free loan :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'counterfeit currency is a huge cost to governments...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US has around 230B USD counterfeit floating through the EU.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'counterfeit gold is potentially a huge loss to investors, and gold miners'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not really, as long as those who receive the currency don't demand replacement and redress. The faith in the currency is more important that its authenticity.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if counterfeit us currency could somehow be instantly vapourised, the us govt would get a higher "price" for its own cash "production"...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, a huge potential gold, if they examine it. As long as they treat it like gold, there is no problem.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if all the counterfeit US currency floating in the EU were instantly "vaporized" both the US and the EU would collapse.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there'd be a large spike in us currency values, yes, which the us can cover by printing'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what is important is that the US currency is accepted, it doesn't matter whether it is counterfeit or not. Since, after all it is said, the currency (any currency) is just a medium of exchange. If both sides accept it, it doesn't matter the provenance.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it matters to the one producing it'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'since it affects the value'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'every dollar of value a counterfeiter gains is a dollar of value lost by the govt'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you pay me 100 USD for some service and you pay me with counterfait money, I only lose if you declare the currency invalid. If  I accept it and then use it and they accept it. It doesn't matter whether the bill is valid or not.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sorry, If I declare it invalid.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure, but the govt loses'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the government gets a free loan in that exchange :) 100 USD'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no, the govt loses 100'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'only if the bill is outed.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'because the govt would gain that 100 otherwise if they had bought goods for 100'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no, the govt would regain that 100 if the bill is outed'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the government doesn't will on lose anything. The government just provides the bill. The government only loses if the bill is declared invalid, because then the end user has a claim against the government.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'win or lose*'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which is why going after counterfeit bills is very profitable for them, in the sense of limiting its losses'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the govt buys services with the bills it prints. If someone else prints a bill that is accepted, the govt loses that value'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, the government has an interest in deterring future counterfeit. It has no real interest in outing done counterfeit.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if counterfeit bills are removed, they can print bills in the same amount and use it to purchase stuff with no change in money supply'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the government is not going to declare 270B USD counterfeit in the EU. It can only hope that people keep accepting it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'removing that money supply all at once would be a large economic shock, yes, but if the us govt were able to instantly replace it, just supposing, it would bea large gain.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, but what about the done transactions? If company X finds out that company Y paid with counterfeit currency, it is going to demand redress from company Y, which in turn must turn to company Z to replace the faulty currency, and so on. The US would lose 270B is the currency were outed.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, if they could eliminate it gradually over a few years...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the same way all fake currency is removed from the system... depends on local laws'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it would be like an avalanche, unfortunately.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, a 270b gain is a drop in the bucket as far as the US is concerned...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'maybe, but you don't turn down a 270B interest-free loan :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, realistically you would do it gradually if you could'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they are losing interest on that'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'do you think companies X, Y, Z, etc would keep it quiet? If only to remove the idea of complicity they would go public.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the only ones gaining the interest free loan are the holders of the fake currency, whether they know it or not...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'even aside from that, folk will hear about it and start freaking out as they check theirs out.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there'd be a frenzy of trying to pass off any fake currency held...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, which well it is all said and done, is the people on the street. They think the currency is valid so the currency is valid therefore the US has 270B extra USD being used to pay debts private.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but the average guy isn't holding all that much in fake currency anyway, and those who are, can take the hit.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the shop onwer gets paid, the day laborer gets paid, the drug dealer gets paid. Everyone is happy.]'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but the point here is, the us govt is the ultimate loser from fake us currency floating around'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'only if the bill is outed.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no, unless the bill is outed'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'because they lose either the value of the note, or the associated interest-free loan, depending on which point of view you take'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, as long as the bill is being used to pay debts it works just like real currency. It is only when the chain is broken that the issuer of the real currency loses.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's great for the people using it, but the us govt loses it'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the government doesn't lose anything. It this instance, the government is the people (in fact, it is the only time that this is the case)/'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'when the chain is broken, the issuer gains from being able to issue it'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the people lose, in terms of more taxes having to be paid'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you fail to see what happens when the payee outs the bill. He must get a valid bill. So the payer loses 100 USD. Which he will pass back along the chain. All the transactions that bill satisfied previously become invalid.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which is balanced by their loss of currency if the bill was outed'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which the govt can fill by issuing another 100. That results in a transfer of 100 of value from the guy holding the fake bill to the govt'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, the counterfeiter had already extracted the 100 at this point...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The US doesn't back its currency, so in a sense, the US currency is fake anyway. That's why it is to the US' advantage to keep the counterfeit currency floating. It doesn't mean it approves of it or wants more of it in circulation (that's another topic :)) but it certainly doesn't want a sudden claim of 270B USD against it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so the summary of what will have happened is - counterfeiter +100, govt 0, guy last holding bill -100.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it wouldn't have a claim against it. It's fake money.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Hmm, do you know how governments settle accounts?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you brought a million worth of fake currency to my country, and demanded redemption, out govt would laugh at you before arresting you.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'exactly'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so the US doesn't want the fake currency in the EU to get to a bank.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos pshaw. the currency in all basil 3 countries is extremely relaible'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they would, so that they can remove the cash, and laugh (quietly) at the sucker who brought it in.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if the US defaulted (which is what it amounts to) on 270B USD the value of its currency would plummet.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that isn't relevant'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'since that currency was not issued by the us govt in the first place'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it was different when the US currency was backed by gold, but now it is backed by faith.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'e'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Ron Paul 4 life!'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'basically, the govt gets a lot of value, free, from its issuance of currency'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'RuPaul 4 wife!'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its not just faith, its full faith and credit'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'credit rocks'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and counterfeit currency is what they did not get value for, which they "should" according to its law'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and it gets a lot of value out of accepted currency, whether it is fake or not. Both types of currency are backed by faith.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they can print more'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which would be even better'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why bother :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there are those who are doing it for them :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'because for every million of counterfeit currency removed and then replaced, they get a million dollars without changing the money supply'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'when it is all said and done, accepting currency is an act of faith.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so no net inflationary effect, plus they get a million bucks!'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and it's even better from their point of view if the sucker is a non-american in some EU state'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the fake gold problem, though...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the faith in the currency is the value of the currency. The only way accepted counterfeit currency is less valuable than the real thing is if the real thing is backed by something like gold, silver or platinum. In either case (fake or valid) the holder of the currency cannot redeem it. He/she can only exchange it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, nonetheless, the govt gains if counterfeits are removed'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'likewise, the removal of large amounts of fake gold will likely benefit gold mining companies...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'by boosting the price, at least...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is a paper trail able to be followed where the fake gold bars came from -- those responsible are likely to be caught (and pehaps euthanised discreetly)'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and better yet, there'd be little disruption to the real economy if lots of fake gold is removed'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, but gold is different because it has intrinsic value. The USD, which is not backed by anything, has no none. Its only value is that people accept it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha! I doubt they'll be able to trace them to their hideouts in the more lawless parts of the world'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the blogs-reuters article also stated that maybe the fake gold bar was a single bar only'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'people use the usd. The fact that it can be used to pay people for labour and stuff means that the loss to the govt is real'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, how likely is that though...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'where one bar exists...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I can't imagine some counterfeiter deciding to make just one fake gold bar...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps send a seal-team or other discreet assassins'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'counterfeiting has a base cost :) So he will counterfeit enough to make it profitable :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it would be bitter irony if Ron Paul's gold holdings, direct and indirect, were found to contain significant amount of fake gold... tragic, but hilarious.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Sonshi is trolling'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, the guys who did this probably churn out as many as they can get away with...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'his holdings are meager compared to the silver holdings of the Hunt brothers :) That is why there is no fake silver out there :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and faking gold is as old as the use of gold as a store of value.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the Hunt brothers make sure that all silver is "real".'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'prices of silver are lower, so I suppose the incentives are far lower'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the point is the same :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's like how counterfeit 1 dollar bills are pretty rare.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what is the density of tungsten compared to gold, and what is the value of tungsten compared to gold'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the value of tungsten is negligible compared to gold...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or more to the point, people don't accept tungsten as they do gold.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the density is a bit off, so testing can certainly be done, if the buyer is alert'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Osmium is more rare than gold, it would make a better medium of exchange, but...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but the densit can be adjusted with other metals, I'm guessing...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you couldn't make Osmium rings :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as far as economies are concerned, they need a medium of exchange that can be easily controlled...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's hard to increase or decrease the supply of gold, and the people that decide that mostly are in other countries'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which is why countries moved towards fiat currency, despite the obvious dangers...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'fiat currency is great as long as the government doesn't go crazy...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and the people on the ground accept it :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so we have come full circle :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which is generally true as long as the govt doesn't go crazy'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Gold 19.282 gm/cm^3    Tungsten 19.25 gm/cm^3   -- densities are close'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'OK, here it is. If the US declared that there were 270B of invalid currency in the EU atm and that it would immediately replace it with valid currency, it would be either (or both) rash and insane :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, which is why tungsten was chosen, most likely...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the price of tungsten compared to gold'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the value of gold goes beyond its density. Gold is mystical to humans.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they certainly would say they were replacing it'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'wouldn't'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I might accept tungsten from you, but I would never turn down gold.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi sighs.
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I might accept platinum from you, but I would never turn down gold. I might turn down platinum because of its higher maintenance :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if you had large quantities of tungsten, you could sell it to some companies that deals in it...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but what would someone do with a small piece of tungsten?'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'make a light bulb'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, but gold, you can use it anywhere there is someone to see how shiny it is :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in most cases, yes...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sonshi tungsten bulbs were a wartime commodity, much like carnations and alcohol'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but in dire situations, canned food may be more valuable than its weight in gold...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'bring back tulipmania!'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'gold has great value when people have lots to spend, otherwise immediately useful things command greater value as a means of exchange...'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'metric tons produced per year:  Gold 2310  (in 2006), Tungsten 37400  (in 2000, as concentrates)'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'an interesting problem arouse for the US, which used to back the currency with actual gold back in the XIXth century. Gould my a very valiant effort to corner the gold market. It sent the value of 1 USD to 1.44 USD. It almost collapsed the economy :) Things got very expensive over night. That would be the equivalent now of a 1 USD rising to an effective value of 12 USD.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or more.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Zade those figures indicate that tungsten is practically worthless as medium of exchange. Compare the production of gold vs platinum, for instance.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Osmium, on the other hand, has a production of about 0.6 tonnes a year.'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so it would be ideal if it is used weren't so restricted. You couldn't make Osmium coins, for instance :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'gold-pressed tungsten may be more expensive than tungsten concentrate'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"gold-pressed latinum" -- Star Trek currency'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'pay me with pigs and cows :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'now, that's real currency!'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'ohmygodohmygod: http://air.audio-surf.com/'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'err, mis'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'What he said: "Granting vast amounts of discretion to our central banks in the expectation that they can cure our economic ills or substitute for our lack of fiscal discipline is a dangerous road to follow," Plosser told a conference in Paris.'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'What I heard: "There's no substitute for self-flagellation," Plosser told a conference in Paris.'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sonshi, you were created by self flagellating sperm.'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so its only natural to self flagellate .'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they were flagellating fluid, not themselves...'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they were pulling themselves forward, like a british motorcar.'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'their means of ambulation was that of self flagellation'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a self-flagellating sperm wouldn't make it anywhere...'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sonshi thats the trouble they had with the first helicopters'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'see: Newton's laws'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'people cite newtons laws but cant even explain his method for finding square roots. '
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'that to me suggests a lack of understanding.'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'm not sure why you think his laws of motions have anything to do with roots'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'how do you measure motion without math'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you're confusing physical principles with computation'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bunsen and Beakerboy: 'why should someone have to know all of a scholars work to be able to quote only part of it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, crazy Brazilians, microchipping their kids...'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'wow, tungsten! i wonder if thats as hard as gold, http://silverdoctors.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/tungsten-filled-1-kilo-gold-bar.html'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Tungsten is about 3x harder than gold... Gold is very malleable.'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i see... so if i were to get a gold filling, it would be soft'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the point :) You wouldn't want tungsten in your tooth, it wouldn't be able to hold it. Bone is brittle in comparison.'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the dentist, however, might use a Tungsten drill :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wouldn't be more titanium-ish?'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Titanium is somewhat softer than Tungsten, not much, though.'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I would favor Tungsten for drill tips.'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'specifically, the surface area of a dental drill is rather small, so the hardness of the metal is more important, imo.'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'don't think that really matters for teeth...'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I would agree, except I would assume that a harder drill would penetrate faster.'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though, admittedly the point would be a function of the hardness of the tooth.'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well, technically, but what I was implying was that there wouldn't be enough of a difference to matter because the hardness of titanium/tungsten vastly outranks the hardness of tooth enamel.'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'kinda like how going 10 miles over the speed limit only shaves seconds off the arrival time.'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'timed stop lights'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'highways, no stoplights'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I can't argue with that.'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hans, i've been on highways with stoplights'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'usually just before a toll booth'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but also some near san diego for the bridges'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'can't you just shoot a hook with your coin? :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos i dont use coins, i prefer to use large bills and have them make change'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if im not in a hurry, why should the people behind me be'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and very, very, VERY far away from more in either direction.  Far enough away that you're able to speed up back to and past the speed limit.'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I see. I hope I am never behind you.'
T3/r6/2012-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hans i prefer to drive 5 under the limit, it makes cops waste time running your tags'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'House of Card is a new area, not a remake.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis''
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'on'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude pokes Holiday in Cambodia in the ribs.
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'sure whatever'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the first thing to understand about God is that you will only see of him what your heart allows'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'your emotional health and clarity have a lot to do with what you think the world is, and what you think God is'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so if you were too busy being greedy, lustful, or angry at god for letting someone you knew die, it might be hard to see him?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well yeah'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'or, if you hated the weak, you would hate God for letting them live, perhaps'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but when your heart cracks open, and you can see poor people as people just as valid as you, with less, then suddenly God is not such a bad guy'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'what they mean by God is love, is the quality of having healthy emotions'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and that doesn't mean pollyanna bullshit'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambodia a god that values poor people more than slutty rockstars? really? can such a god exist?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'he doesn't value them more or less'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is what we esteem'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so in gods eyes, an old mother theresa chick would be just as valued as a slutty rockstar?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'more like, if the rockstar turned to a life of philanthropy, she would have just as equal of a chance to be something in the eyes of God as Mother Theresa'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but really, the whole thing is confused by language'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambodia is it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'like the body and mind thing'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they are one and the same'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we separate them by language for convenience, but it is not the truth of it'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'look'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you bumped your knee, neurons in your brain would fire off and you would feel pain'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'normally, yeah'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if I tickled those same brain cells with an electrode, you would feel your knee bumping'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they are an interconnected system'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'thankfully i have so many opiates blocking that that it takes a lot for that to happen'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but continue'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Unless you have congenital analgesia.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is why the yoga practices are for your emotions as well, you come to understand that bodily tensions correlate with emotional stances'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'by ironing out one, the other irons out'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'when your mood changes, your body works differently and vice versa'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'life is perspective, god is something we do/do not believe in, but the fact is that there is a greater power out there'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer or rather there's a big ocean out there of unknown and undiscovered things, and there could be a big island called god in that ocean'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the ocean is God'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and it never ends'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambodia well, st anselm argued that god was the island'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and he was pretty well liked, so i'll defer to him'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well we all have our own flavors of it'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'even the saints had differing views on the matter'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and in a way they are all right'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'yep. thats why they decided to elect a pope to make it all specific'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or maybe it was more complicated, but they usually pick a pope and let him make the official view official'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'thats more like it'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'like for beatific vision, for a few hundred years people argued and argued and had each other arrested and executed'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'ok'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but then after the 2nd albigensian crusade they decided to make a specific view official... and its been official ever sense'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'pretty much'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's like the law, the law is a tool that we use in a pragmatic sense to keep things in line'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'the earth is perfect because it has to be for everything to work'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but the law has to stand upon something, and that's the rationality and justness of the men administering it'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'when it comes to the real reasons to follow the law, or be a good person, or care, love, that isn't what the law is for, and should not be expected to do'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the universe is not flawed.  If it was, it wouldn't work right and if it doesn't work right then it doesn't exist.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but its a tool, and it works in a gritty world'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'exactly hans'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the whole equation has already been figured'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'not necisarily'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambodia do you imply that the world was created imperfectly, and therefore requires a law that works on a rough world instead of a perfectly made world?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and all we can do is behold the solution'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'if the universe has a life span and eventually dies, wouldnt that be flawed'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I'm saying that given the reality of governing a lot of people, sometimes you need a rough tool to get it done'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tangel: 'my point is simply that aside from simple man, from the smallest molecule to the largest planet or star, things are far to perfect for it to be an accident.  I dont care about evolution, dinosaurs or science.  that is MY belief I have have a hard time not biting into something greater and just believing all these things just appeared and decided to work perfectly. '
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'just because it didnt happen yet doesnt mean it wont'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but you must use it knowing that you'd rather have a better one'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'jaedo human beings usually die ... so is that meaning that we're flawed?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'with care, and humility'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tangel: 'and the earth wouldnt be perfect if it wasnt for the sun, the moon etc'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'since it clearly exists and for all intents and purposes it appears to be stable anywhere we look, anytime we run into a situation wherein the arbitrary rules of our understanding don't explain something sufficiently enough we have to accept that our rules are either wrong or at best incomplete.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that's not a flaw, man'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'dying is like clocking out of your shift'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mode: 'When you're talking about the universe how can you say that it is perfect or flawed?  You a human being can apply these man made terms to the concept of the universe but what is perfect? Only what we say is perfect or flawed.  The reality is the universe just is.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you never got to leave work, it would be hell'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambodia ' the night is coming when no one may work' ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'and that is why everyone believes in god. Because we cant comprehend how everything works there must be a god'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'the universe is not perfect but it is in perfect harmony, its a balance of chaos and harmony, because from death comes life, from a dieing star a new one is born'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambodia wouldnt eternal life be a form of hell then ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yes'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that's why it's better to have a point when you're done here'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambodia so eternal life is not a gift from god, it's a curse?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I mean literal, earthly existence'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'who you are is eternal'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'sameer yes but that doesnt necisarily mean there has to be a god'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'a sort of comparison might be like the character on this game'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'okay, so eternal life on earth sucks, but not eternal life as a star in heaven the way the greek gods used to hand out?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'your character on here is like a shell, operated by you'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'combo, or perhaps its a puppet.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tangel: 'when you die, it means god forgot your password'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'embracing only one aspect of me'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'god = science.  The only difference in perspective is that religion doesn't wonder about the stuff that cannot otherwise be explained'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'real life is like that, except for the you that operates you lives in the Platonic Realm'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'there is a reason why everything works, and if you understood it fully, there doesnt have to be a god that made it with a magic wand'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tangel: 'science doesnt try to figure out where it come from, they just figured out how it works.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'like, there's a core of you that stands true through out all time and space, no matter when you would be born, what you would be born as, or where you are'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, it means Satan got you to press Alt-F4.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambodia, your view of the platoni realm, is that much like francess dec's view of the brain trust?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that's eternal, like mathematics'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'some of the religious issues are spiritual truths'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mathematics is not eternal, it is smaller than pi'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'spirituality being the study of the structure of human consciousness'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the software'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the nature of the software'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'pi is math, therefore math = pi'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'taking them as literal material facts doesn't work'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they are not supposed to be interpreted as such'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Consciousness is hardware. Learning is software.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'math may grow to encompass pi, but at present pi > math'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'ok, lets be logical, the chances on everything being perfect for life to develope is very slim, and something that most dont know is that we are here because of our bigger neighbouring planets, life would never of developed because of the meteors in of solar system but they gravitate to the bigger planets,away from earth, now what are the chances of that happening'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I would say that the flesh of the brain is hardware, and consciousness is software'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer actually life is pretty easy to create'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and learning would be like applications'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sentient life is the challenge'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'what you people fail to realize is the power of time itself'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's the nature of consciousness'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'time is an illusion'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'jaedo ? what about time is powerful'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it cant even escape itself'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it is hans'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'because the way you think already defies time'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Consciousness is derived from neural circuits that are hard wires'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'wired*'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hanslanda ' kalo asmi lokar ksaya krit' ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even that is not hard, the rate of beneficial mutations is pretty high, at least among simple life forms'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you organize your memories based on how close to you they are emotionally'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'which means that your heart can already span time and space'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'well evolution is an example of time and the changes that occur'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Sameer, I'd think that over the almost unimaginable immenseness of the universe, the chances are an inevitable 100%. And we're the proof of it. And I'm not saying that to deny the existence of God.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you have control and understanding of this fact, you can do some amazing things'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rhavage those chances decrease when you calculate the likelyhood of our observing it'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I like to think that God made the Universe with the possibility in the laws of it for sentient life, and knew that eventually it would emerge'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so the fact that over infinite time, the Universe would already sprout life, and the fact that we dont observe until it happens, means that we are written into the fabric of the universe'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I don't disagree, Vamp. But... here we are.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's random, but it's inevitable'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'but before the universe how can there be any god'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'where does he live'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'jaedo if there is a universe and god existed before it, then he must be transfinite!'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'and the answer is more religious fantasy!'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, the way it is worded makes it unanswerable meaningfully'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'God is neither a fleet of typewriters nor an army of monkeys with an unnatural curiosity for typewriters.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'like, so did you come on your brother's face when he sucked your cock?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'jaedo well to be fair, comic books also aknowledge more than one dimension'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tangel: 'but on that same theory before there was nothing, where did it come from and how so perfectly...'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you can't answer the question right because the wording precludes it'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'same thing with, where does God live?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there was never nothing'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'ok well if god was never born and always was, why couldnt the universe be the same'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambodia god lives in heaven'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tangel: 'poof heres a great big ball of fire just floating around in the sky.. then poof.. oh hey a moon.. then poof oh look an ocean'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'probably it is'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'jaedo you mean why cant the universe be an eternal part of god?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I think that it is'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'maybe the universe is god'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yep'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'jaedo because it has boundaries. and god is transfinite.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and more'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tangel: 'the universe is material as your boxer shorts to a being of that type of power'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'not just the atoms, but the space between them, and the space between space'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I'm not sure that God actually lives anywhere. More like everywhere, would be my guess. Or France, which is lovely in the spring.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'fractally, forever'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'well, the universe has its own laws and nothing else affects it'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rhavage that is a lie, france is awful in the spring, too much planting. the fall is the time to visit'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tangel: 'the laws that bind them together perfectly and never faltering'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the thing to keep in mind also, is that we are a part of God as well'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'so if god was affecting the universe, there would be something affecting the laws of the universe that was unmeasurable'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'sometimes, when there is trouble, and why doesn't God fix it?  You're God.  You should fix it'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well yeah, Vamp. Nice in the fall, too. But all those grapes to pick!'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambodia before i can agree with that, how do you define the natura of god and the devil'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rhavage the locals pic the grapes, i just drink the wine'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the devil is the way of death'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Very sensible, Vamp. Very.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'i didnt believe in santa claus either'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'everything we ever had, currently have, or will ever had, is in the universe.  The Laws of Conservation of Mass and Energy prevent it from being otherwise.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'and i dont believe in GOD as we know it'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'jaedo you'd belive in god if he gave you eternal life and a flaming pillar of light, right?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'Good people live, are loved, and become a part of all of our thoughts when they die'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'everything has to start somewhere! '
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'Evil people when they die, are forgotten'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'no'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and i'd believe in santa clause if he gave me a dodge viper like on the usa tv show viper'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambodia yep, like hitler'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'look at every thought you have as pointing one way or another, or on a spectrum of it'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'nobody remembers hitler'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I'm pretty sure we remember Hitler, Cam'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and you can composite the nature of them'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rhavage really? then cam is wrong'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Nice timiong, Vamp'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yeah, but we're not going to copy him, we don't love him'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'timing, even'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'he's only in our hearts as a reminder of what not to do, he's not like the people that really change us'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'people talk about god as if He is a conscious being'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'for the better'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we are, so he is too'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'True. But we certainly remember him. And we'd better, too.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'and i dont believe that at all'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'jaedo yep, otherwise he wouldnt be god'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Hitler changed us'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'actually evil people are remembered more then the good,'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'true, but we don't miss him'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'i believe in the forces of the universe'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'some people say that god takes naps every so often, like after every six days of creating the world'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I guess is what I meant'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but when he's awake he's definately conscious'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we don't wish he was still around, not honestly'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambodia nod, i've met chicks that i'm not gonna miss'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'exactly, the people you miss, the people that stick with you, that is what enriches your heart'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I think we probably all believe in the forces of the universe. Question is, what initiated those forces? Kind of a tough one to answer.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'ok im turning this channel off now so i can go to bed'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'jaedo, have fun sleeping alone'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'the big bang theory'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'good is what enriches you, and evil is what poisons you'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Night, Jaedo.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'God never rests.  We just say that so that Chuck Norris never finds out about his counterparts in other dimensions.  If they ever met, they'd destroy us all.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambo, nah, god gave us power over snakes'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'when you make a study of emotional health, you can see how it works'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'we dont get poisoned anymore. '
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'lol nobody knows, but my point is that just because we dont know doesnt mean the answer is GOD, its too easy of an answer'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'but its evil that writes our history, good people make a big difference every once in a while but evil people more often'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambodia you seem more like a hedonist than a believer'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you mean I don't seem like what a conventional believer is supposed to be like?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'tough crap'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'jaedo okay.... but if the creation of the world enhances the glory of god, why is it wrong to put it to his credit'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'im not atheist im agnostic, and i , like st thomas , will not believe until i KNOW the answers'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'You're right, Jaedo. It doesn't mean the answer is God. The problem is, it doesn't mean that it isnt' God, either.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The answer of course is psychics.  Cambodia agrees.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'holiday no, you seem to espouse happiness and pleasure as a hedonist more than devotion and piety as a believer'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'of course Starling'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'and everyone knows that i will NEVER know the answers lol'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'But Thomas believed.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'glad to see you're paying attention here'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and it's not an answer, just a faculty of human perception'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'jaedo you could, if god reveals himself to you and gives you one of those pillars of light'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rhavage thomas was paid to believe.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why is it wrong to teach the glories of Allah, Yahweh, or the Greek Pantheon within the structure of Christianity?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaedo: 'lol im so stubborn i will think i was hallucinating'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I think he came around, Vamp. Hell, they made a saint out of the guy.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rhavage i would liken thomas as to a soldier or a prostitute, any war for the right price'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'trust me Jaedo, when you see God you won't really be able to be that stubborn'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'he got paid more because he fought on one side of the battle.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Still doesn't quite satisfy the saint part. Maybe he slipped through the cracks.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'that's not to say he truly believed, but that he was an effective fighter'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rhavage well, if he's not a saint, then he lead a lot of people to hell =)'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'God doesn't hand out lightsabers anymore due to what happened with the The Sith versus the Jedi.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so maybe its just an necessity that he be sainted'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'the thing is we wont know and until then we can only speculate, like dragons, theres no evidence to suggest that they never exsised but here is no proof that they did'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hans, maybe he still does... then again even gideon the judge kind of was an idolator'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oral histories actually suggest that dragons existed'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'especially since so many saints were sainted after fighting them'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if those folks werent real saints, then once again, a bunch of people end up in hell for following them'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude frowns.
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer so in your eyes, is it more important to believe that god exists, or to observe that he acts?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'i can say that i will never be against the idea of a god but i will never be more then 100% for it if he does not make some great intervention in my life'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it seems as though one could believe that a god exists, without recognizing him acting in the lives of ordinary folks'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'just try and be as awesome as you can be'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's that simple'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'what's the awesomest thing in the world?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'shoot for that and see how close you get'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambodia thats what bill said, but he went to hell alongside ted when he died in the film bill and ted's heinous journey'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'God'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well if you're not awesome enough to get out of hell then I guess you're not cut out for this line of work'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I've been in and out of hell before'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'once is enough for that shit, trust me'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambodia doubtful...'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'saying you've been to hell before is like saying you've been to heaven before'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yeah'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its a short list of people who make that claim without being insane'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so what'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so i dont see you on that list....'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and i therefore doubt your claim and your sanity'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'fine'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no one made you the final word on this anyway'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's our two cents is all'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambo, do you think there's a devil on earth, or just in hell?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'do you know that these debates are fruitless, there is no definate answer'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there's as much a Devil or a God on Earth as we let exist'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer is that not true of all human interaction outside of commerce?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you let your asshole tendencies run the show then the Devil works through you'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's why we try to keep them off the debate channel and more properly on gossip.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambo yeah, i knew a girl like that once'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'think of yourself as a conduit running from the divine to Earth'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there's a whole lot you could let through and it's up to you'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'okay... so can i heal people and cast out demons now?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude peers intently at Holiday in Cambodia.
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'well thats enough for now'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is a matter of fitness my friend'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you have to work up to having that kind of power'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'okay... so where's a good spirit-gym to exercise those muscle groups'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you can't just go benching 300 pounds right away either'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I know one in South America that is holding a class in August'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I'm going there'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'can you loan me the cash for a ticket?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and do they charge money for the class?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's 2400 for a month, which is a good deal for a class like it'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'i cant believe im having a debate at 4:20 in the morning'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'food is not covered, everything else is (bus tickets, lodging)'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: '2400 of their money or 2400 dollars?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: '2400 american'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer its healthier to debate at 420 than to smoke pot at 420'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the plane ticket also costs'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there is no Devil.  The Devil is an elaborate construct designed by the elaborate constructors of God to hide an uncomfortable notion.  Namely, that God's fucking with us like a cosmic version of Punk'd just to see how we react.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambodia can you loan me my entry fee for the coruse, and the plane ticket cost? '
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I'm not rich enough for that right now'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'hard enough to cover me'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i see.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'well in that case, it sounds like the belief system is not a profitable one'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'was a time when I was'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'or I'm poor'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'What kind of class?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'a religion for paupers, beggars, and lepers, not for healthy, happy men'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'in other words, a religion only followd by sinners cursed by the true gods'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude shrugs in response to Holiday in Cambodia's question.
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'shamanic yoga, encompassing plant ceremony, yoga teachings, human anatomy, history of the practice, etc.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'rich men can get what they want, why would a rich man need god?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'all of the ancient ways that people have studied the mind using the mind'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer even rich men die.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Who the fuck would piss away 2400 dollars for some kumbayah bullshit like that?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I would'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Figures'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling, cambo would but he wont piss away 4800.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'It sure does'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'he knows that its not worth 4800.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Eternal salvation, or triple your money back!'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude drops everything and trots drooling after Jhav.
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'anyway, some day you might want to put your money where your mouth is, and you can do an ayahuasca ceremony for a lot less than that'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'of course you won't, it's much more pleasurable to sit back and talk shit about it'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I understand'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i dont need ayahuasca there are better plants'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so flame away'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'God doesn't save bots from the damnation of eternal deletion!'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambo i didnt flame, i asked you to bring me with'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and you said it wasnt beneficial enough to do so'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he doesn't need to, Starling.  They're self-regulating.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'a religion that hurts you doesnt sound like the kind a benevolent god would want you to have'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling is agreeing with that Holiday in Cambodia person again...
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the perfect bot will never get caught, and it just goes downhill from there.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'so you say it would be better to let someone continue to cheat?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Nods, would much rather talk shit about stupid psychic/shamanistic/drug trip scams.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I said I can't afford to'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'is it cheating if you are unaware that they're cheating?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'do it and then call it a drug trip'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I double dog dare you'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling drug trips arent scams, they pay a premium to party-out unmolested'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You double your mom dare me?  No thanks.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'like you can go to san carlos mexico and get a motel cheap and spend 400 on a month's worth of heroin for example'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'of course not'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you're a coward'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'wheras if you do that in texas they send you to prison for 30 years'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you already had your ass busted by the world long ago'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and you never recovered'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'lol.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so now you are miserable'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's fun to smack people down'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its because mexico encourages such conduct and texas sees it as immoral'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'legality is a matter of geography, not morality'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'hell, if you changed, I would think you were sick'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so stick with it'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'rofl'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambo nod, starling wont change until she has a kid'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'hahahaha'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'its about perspective, and the laws the come from it'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that's a good one'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'she'll never have a kid'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'starling's a dude'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambo but if such experiences really put one in touch with a god, you wouldnt be so stingy about brining others along with you'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'she burnt out her girlparts'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I told you it's not a matter of stinginess'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it seems to be.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I seriously can't afford to bring two people along'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if Starling has a kid, it'd be delivered by Doctor Jack Black.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'after you get back, will you be able to bring 2 people along? or is this a spiritual practice that impoverishes you.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling yawns.
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hans whats the name of that surgeon on the simpsons that always screws up'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'guys her bitterness is adamantine, it's fun to fuck with but in the end nothing will change'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambo she used to be nice and just disaffected and a waffle hut worker'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but you're right, lately she seems bitter'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Who says I am bitter?  Just because I don't believe in the psychic friends network?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the hispanic-white guy who looks vaguely like Johnny Depp?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, it's more like your general attitude in everything you say and the way you say it'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I thought everyone knew this?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'i think he means the dude from future-rama? The surgeon that aint human and is a complete idiot'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'karma is just a word.  What matters is your belief in karma and how your actions relate to it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'camo, i have a dvd called the secret that is about the same thing'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well that DVD doesn't really portray it correctly'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer no on the simpsons, has dark hair'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambodia how about wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma_in_Buddhism'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the point is that if it's closed in your mind, you won't see it outside'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I always bid 105 on academy leaflets.  Sometimes I even win the auction.  Am I going to hell?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'combo right, and if you cant see it, it cant hurt you'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'well, it had the science aspect and it was about positiveness and stuff'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yep'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you're going to fry fry fry'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'starling you are going to hell, but thats not why'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you're going because you want to.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, she'll go because she's too stubborn to get out'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'so if i shoot you in the back of your head, scince you never saw it, it never hurt you?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but the amstaff never bit anyone, just barked'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'mischan'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I sac the moonstones in Sendhia too, I am a rotten person'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well you might not fry when you get to Hell'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'she heard it, processed it as gunshot, reacted based on memories of gunshots (most likely taken from TV and other sources OTHER than actually geting shot at), and then the bullet skullfucked her.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it'll just be lonely as fuck and there won't be anyone to mock or criticize'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it'll suck, uniquely tailored to you'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'whatever that is'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'lots of babies that resemble both her and VD, I bet.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Y u so mad, bro?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'but what if i was not a good shit at grazed the skull but she collapsed from fear, would it still hurt?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hans, im not bald'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they'd still have your eyes, though.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'does it really matter how I feel?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'of course not'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so I'll just say whatever I want'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'although I would say the fact that you recognize your own hatefulness and don't spread it through procreation actually speaks well of your principle'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what the hell is wrong with you people?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so in a way, there is a little core of it'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'still'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we've learned how to symbiote with the internet.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Maybe you should go ask one of your psychic friends for guidance'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'you rang?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm sure they could guide you on the path to figuring out why you're so mad'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambo, umadbro?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'not anymore'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that was easy'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'k.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'nice thing about this MUD is that you can shut people up'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'happy to help. what else are psychic friends good for'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude shakes Holiday in Cambodia's hand.
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'no, you would need a psycologist for that'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Whatever man, see you on debate -h'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I love how worked up she gets that I believe in it'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and then has the nerve to call me mad'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well she was a stupid bitch anyways'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no personal attacks'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'glad she took the job of being who she is'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ok the last one was but the second one is just an opinion'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambo, be careful, starling could get brain cancer and die and then she'd be a nice person'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'particularly if you're going to come across as an indifferent troll merely trying to rile folk up.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, I'd just soften up a bit on my stance'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I mean, I don't hate her that much'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but man, she's really good at being annoying, and she loves it'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambo i dont think she's aware that other people find her annoying'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'does it really matter? :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'sure she is'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its like how some people dont realize that its weird to be that into yugioh after age 40'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'they just dont make the connection mentally'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'What is he doing in someone's ass cavity?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well yeah, if you took a hot poker and seared the moral circuitry out of my brain I could give that little of a fuck too'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'i know a 25 year old dude that is more into yugioh then most kids when it came out'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ><(((*> Salvanas: 'You guys mind taking your libellious gossipping about specific players elsewhere? Debate chans already spammy enough without you guys having a personal convo on it :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'salvanas type debate -h 5... cambo was asked by starling to discuss his anger with his psychic friend. thats me.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'This is a channel for debate not a channel for disrespecting people.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'we where already kicked of gossip'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you should be IPbanned'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ><(((*> Salvanas: 'Yeah, so discuss it with him. Elsewhere. :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, she says that psychic friends shit to rile me up'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'cambo oh. then lets not discuss anything'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'sure'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we're not doing anything but giving Lasher incentive to focus more time on those nifty personal channels he wants to create.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'hans on aol chat you can open up a chat room and invite specific persons'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'anyway, if she's really wants to live to her principles she should eat a bullet'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oladon: 'Actually, you're giving him incentive to be frustrated and not log in.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and I mean put it in the gun and put it in her mouth and fire'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you could have used tells. Personally I don't like to hear people insulting other members of the community. No one here speaks about you the way you were speaking about Starling.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that's true'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's cool, haters gon' hate.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'this mud is a great example, lasher is god, who created him, we dont know but we say that he created the mud, its like that but with the universe'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'whatever Lasher is or isn't, you are not compelled to be here. So, by being here you implicitly accept the way things are.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'hey anaristos, i don't recall... which book was "sic itur ad astra" from?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'it's been so long since i took classics :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Virgil'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ><(((*> Salvanas: 'something-or-other to stars?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that sounds a lot like a Zac Brown Band song title -- Sic 'em on a Chicken.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): ><(((*> Salvanas doesn't recognise itur...
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Thus we reach (go to) the stars'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'itur = to go'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'pretty close to the state motto of kansas, ' to the stars through perspiration ''
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's per aspera ad astra'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but its still pretty close.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though I think Kansas says it this way:  ad astra, per aspera'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos, you're pretty good with latin i take it... do you think ' sic vos non vobis' would be such a good poem if it hadnt had such plagiarism?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'My favorite thing about the Aeneid is the history - Virgil creating a fully fleshed female character where Homer would (could?) not'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ok, for a quick 50k in gold. First person to identify my state by its motto. Ready?.... Excelsior!'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Dido is pretty cool'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'rhavage oregon'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Negative'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'new york?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, Virgil doesn't care (anymore), all the classics are plagiarized.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'California.  We know you're a Sacramento alumni.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Yep. NY.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i wonder what oregons is now'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Nah. My sister lives in Sacramento.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos but this was plagiarized early on'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'when the poet was alive.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'are you saying Virgil stole it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'whats plagiarizes?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i'm saying somebody tried to steal it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and it became famous when he was caught'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, it's just a cover of the Iliad.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but it doesnt seem all that special to me as far as poems go'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you take another's writing and claim it for one's own'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'it is not a cover of the iliad :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or you take the inspiration of anothers writing and claim the inspiration as your own.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I don't think Virgin rocked, but you have to respect the age of his works.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'ok'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Night, debaters.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'anaristos why not respect guys like terencus instead?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'nite rhavi'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos waves goodbye to Rhavage.
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'its 5 in the morning'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's 5 in the morning, do you know where your bed is?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'yes why do you ask?'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'im actually on my bed'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am not familiar with Terencus.'
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'okay =( '
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude sobs quietly to himself because Undertaken Anaristos was a jerk!
T3/r6/2012-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sorry :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"The failure to complete a college education in the United States is especially marked at four-year private for-profit schools, where 78 percent of attendees fail to get a diploma after six years, according to a 2011 report from the National Center for Education Statistics." - Reuters'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"Astonishingly, many of the justices appear not to understand that health care isnt like the market for cars, or broccoli; even more astonishingly, the administrations lawyer seemed unprepared to explain the difference." - Krugman'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'do you guys think that the act of giving a teacher apples stems from a similar root as the process of giving fruit baskets to roman leaders as you submit to their leadership?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'unless the teacher is hot, then it means you want something more'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer do you think its wrong to allow an ugly teacher to wear a veil in a tax funded school?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'she can do what she wants along as it does not affect the teaching of pupils'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'well what if her ugliness distracts them'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or if they begin to make a mnemonic association of ugliness with learning... and think the only way to be attractive is to not study?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'then she should wear a veil '
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but what if by wearing a veil, they make a mnemonic association with ugliness being stigmatizing and think that they too should wear veils if they are ugly'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'what if all forms of social interaction for those children warp their psyche and forever set them down a single path in life?!????'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer, do you believe home schooling is good for children?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'the problem with modern society is that if one studies or is smart the one becomes a nerd and becomes and outcast, so to prevent that pupils refrain from studying inorder to fit in, because the is no smart kid, its just nerds and others,'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer nah, the difference between a nerd, a trained monkey, and a magician is that a magician can use that knowledge to be seen as a trained monkey, rather than a nerd'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but if you take the example of the movie ' mr tate''
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'like me, i never studied but i used to get the highest in my class and i was lablled a nerd yet, i was also a sportsman'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer if you are a large enough sportsman nobody will call you a nerd to your face =)'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'myself i never got called a nerd in school =)'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'one transfer student tried to bully me once for almost three class periods...'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but the situation was resolved ^_^'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'ahh, theres two problems there, im not large and two i never did like fighting, i have berserk qualities when i get into fights so i just walk away unless you insult my mother'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'well, like i said about ugly teachers'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude peers intently at Sameer.
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'aha, a trigger to exploit'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer myself it's not that i like fighting, or that i dont like fighting =)'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'its the same with hot teachers, should they use unattractive clothing in school just so they dont distract learners?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i just don't like fighting more than once, so i'd be inclined to try to at the very least break a wrist'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer yes it is the same. except that some of them are pedophile gym teachers'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and gym teachers dress in gym clothes regardless of hotness or ugliness'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'because it is their unform, they have to, it also allows for better movement when teaching because it is more physicall activity'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'yes... and if they like many fitness nuts, are in good physical shape, they might be quite hot to a hormone filled teenage student'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude looks at Sameer ponderingly.
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'especially contrasted to the ugli homeroom teacher'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'which therefore furthers the mnemonic key that the ugli people have knowledge and the hot people do sports'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'ugly*'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude looks at Sameer ponderingly.
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'life is about perspective'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'is it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'in way?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'healhy-looking folk are more knowledgeable than lard blimps'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade you shouldnt talk about your mother that way.'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but people dont have the guts to go against society an say what they think is beautiful, they just go with the flow'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer actually here in my part of the world a lot of weird people think feet are more beautiful than chests'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude peers intently at Sameer.
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'VampireDude, you not supposed to project about your mother like that onto others'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but myself i find that a mainstream view of whats beautiful often times is... except that a lot of people try so hard with clown makeup and silicon implants that they go past the beauty point and are still ugly =/'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade, you're not supposed to club baby seals either, but try to stop me'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'life and karma already stopped you'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'exactly! In your part of the world! In your society! Eg in ancient china small feet where considered to be beautifull so the feet of princesses where bound to keep it small, that was how society worked at that time in that area'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade they didnt stop my monk from pimp-slapping the seals on ragnarok online =)'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer but binding it to keep it small, or fitting your head between two boards to keep your skull narrow, or so many similar fashion processes'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'thats not really attractive if you go overboard with it'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it makes you look gnarled, deformed... twisted'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'like that golem guy in the hobbit'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'but society deemed it beautiful thats why people just went with the flow'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'look at a current photo of the honorable secretary of state ms. hillary clinton'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'boobs are like noses, too big or too large is an eyesore'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'she had so much plastic surgery when she was younger that her face now doesnt even look human'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade there's the texture issue too, if the breasts arent soft like grapes and are instead hard like pineapples, they're just not as much fun'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so maybe more cosmetic surgery'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'cosmetics are not there to hide or over-do but to emphasise certain aspects of a persons features, thats all but society pushes it overboard'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade how much more cosmetic surgery before they could just skip the surgery and wear a mask?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer well, much like camouflauge for military use you also try to even out other aspects of the face'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'its the same as sleight-of-hand, it draws attention to other things'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'no it doesnt'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sleight of hand merely gives more things to look at, the art is to not draw attention to any of them.'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'i magicain will distract you, draw your attention away from the object, just like make-up will draw your attention away from the flwas'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'flaws*'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'no thats not true at all, a magician doesnt distract you, he makes you split your attention between 2 or more points'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and only one is where the important action is'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'which is distraction because you cant focus properly'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i can focus just fine ^_^'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but if you shout out during a performance, there its in his left sleeve... i think it is impolite'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude is a polite vampire.
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'you are putting him out of a job'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'when are you polite? Before or after the blood sucking?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'well, by being sucky at his job, isnt he deserving of that put?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer just cause someone is your food, doesnt mean you can't be polite to them while they're still alive'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'point taken'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer actually there was a poorly written fantasy book i read when i was 7 at the behest of my schoolteacher.'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'by a chick named madeleine l'engle.'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and she had people killing animals and then thanking them for dying so that they would be able to eat.'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer, do you think that animals care if they die or not?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or is it only humans that have sentience , self awareness, and souls?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude peers intently at Sameer.
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'animals just dont commincate with us, if a man is deaf or mute, does it mean that he is not a man?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer yes. usually.'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'its why we put severely mentally deficient folks in animal pens to await death/ and or institutions to be studied'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'because they cant communicate we take it for granted'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'shrug, i can communicate ^_^'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Amerindians did that, and they were massacred by the more civilised whites <-- "do not make friends with the food" and "no cannibalism"'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but its more fun to just randomly paste sentences in latin than it is to communicate.   Iam summas arces Tritonia, respice Pallas insedit, nimbo effulgens et Gorgone saeva?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'zade um, the american native populations were massacred after signing treaties'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'but as humans we fear the unknown'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer no we dont.'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'not anymore than we fear our own backside'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Amerindians commited "crimes against animals"'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'was there a point in your life when you was afraid of the dark?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'no'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'never?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer never afraid of the dark...'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'i even went solo through ape cave in washington state'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: '^_^'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'then i cant explain it to you, i as a small kid was afraid of the dark but grew out of it, the principle is that we dont fright for the dark itself but for the unknown things in it'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oh... but i thought those unknown things would be fun'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'like it'd be cool to meet a zombie or a vampire or a witch or an angel or a demon or a unicorn or so on'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'that'd be cool ( not i'm afraid of the dark ) mindset as a kid'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'but im talking about the usuall mindset'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer what do you mean the usual mindset, just cause you were a fraidy cat doesnt mean we all were'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'it is a typical occurance,'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'just cause it happens fairly often doesnt mean its predominant'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'and once we knew there was nothing there, we stopped being afraid because we KNEW'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer oh but there was something there'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it turned out to be a black widow spider, and even though spiders have oily feet to walk on webs with, they dont like being sprayed with wd-40 lubricant and they leave you alone and stop coming into your room'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'details....'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'in hindsight, there was probably a risk of staining the carpet'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but as a kid i was more interested in discouraging the spider.'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer it was a small black spider that had kind of a crab shape but bendy legs and an orangish red paired triangles/axes on it that made up an hourglass shape'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it probably was related to the nest that we found in the garage later that week'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude peers intently at Sameer.
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'not everyone has spiders in their room'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'well, spiders are harmless unless you have an open wound or live in a country with deadly spiders'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'and you only wanted to discourage the spider because you were afraid'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'it turns out that the daddy long legs, the black widow spider, and the violin/brown recluse spider are deadly in certain circumstances'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so its morally okay to spray it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer no, i wasnt afraid, i was territorial ^_^'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I like that.  'Spiders aren't dangerous unless there are dangerous spiders''
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'my room, no invitation'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'thats what you say'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'How very... tautological'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'castle doctrine time ^_^'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer oh believe me, if i went into a forest and saw a spider or a slug there, i wouldnt assault or salt it'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'because i figure its their home, im the guest'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but in my room, they're trespassing ^_^'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'but it is not your room! Spiders have been living on that land long before you were so you where tresspassing'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer they didnt say anything to that affect'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: '^_^'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'how would you know? Can you speak with spiders?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'here's a good question though.... is it wrong to let a small child keep a can of wd-40 in their room?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer i tried asking them in english, they didnt answer'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and as a kid , that was the only language i thought to try =)'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'he tried asking you in spider, you did not repond'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer actually he seemed to ignore me.'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'and i think it was a she'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'it did not understand you '
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'maybe it didnt and it just didnt think a small child was worth heeding'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'like how a lot of adults wont listen to a speed limit sign'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'even though they understand'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'its a spider, you are a giant compared to it'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'then the spider is responsible?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'if a man walks up to a grizzly bear or a lion and says hey, whats for dinner... is it right to blame then lion for thinking ' you' ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'this is going to keep on going back and forth'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'isit wrong to kill an animal for food if you say yes they why is it not wrong to kill a plant?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'sameer you dont have to kill plants for food, you can eat their unborn children.'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'plant doesn't have a central nervous system'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'much like with cannibalism, if its not a human life being aborted, its ok to eat it ^_^'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'it's incapable of experiencing things'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'averan plants have genetic memories much like tapeworms have'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'but it is living!'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so what, the hiv virus is living too, that doesnt mean its wrong to wish it dead'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'care to explain vampire?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'explain what? hiv?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'genetic memory'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'no.'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'genetic memory != having a nervous system'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'averan but genetic memory = experiencing things'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Friend) VampireDude peers intently at Averan.
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'vampiredude +1 averan 0'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I used the wrong word clearly'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'a plant does not have any form of conciousness'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'so you mean, a plant is not conscious that it is experiencing things?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'yes'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'what about a worker bee in a hive, is it conscious?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'more than a plant yes'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'or is it just working because it has been deformed and genetically programmed to do so'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'as it has a nervous system'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'oh, more than a plant, how much more than a plant?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'and neither does a vegetable(human) but it still wrong to kill him'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Averan: 'I'm leaving this conversation now, I don't enjoy arguing semantics'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'on a scale of 1 to 10?'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'averan well, if you word your argument properly then it might be easier'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'but if you're sayingthe sky is more water than the mountain'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Friend) VampireDude: 'that's not a very good argument, sorry'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sameer: 'you scared him away'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'animals indicate personalities more so than young plants'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'killing personalities is the potential crime'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some live plants, that are (say) a thousand years old, may be with a personality'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if a spark of god resides in that plant, and danger threatens that plant, and you are responsible, be scared, be very very scared (although you are already likely projected deadmeat) - some gods are unforgiving'
T3/r6/2012-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is the scripture: "Thou shalt not put the Lord God to the test" '
T3/r6/2012-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK it is illegal to own a jerrycan full of petrol'
T3/r6/2012-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so move'
T3/r6/2012-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sitting down'
T3/r6/2012-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if the people let the government pass stupid laws, they deserve to be bound by stupid laws.'
T3/r6/2012-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'besides, this is my country, shouldn't have to move, make everyone else move'
T3/r6/2012-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 't'
T3/r6/2012-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Defend info Druzil '
T3/r6/2012-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no attack- '
T3/r6/2012-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just need a longer term view of things, just discourage breeding of certain types'
T3/r6/2012-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops'
T3/r6/2012-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'So, speaking of Trayvon Martin . . .'
T3/r6/2012-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'its so lame to sit ar lvl 1'
T3/r6/2012-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, everybody plays the game their own way. Sitting a 1 wouldn't work for me, but it seems to work for other people.'
T3/r6/2012-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'i wish there was a bonus when refusing noexp forever:)'
T3/r6/2012-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'i have no willpower:('
T3/r6/2012-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'should the US remove the penny from circulation?'
T3/r6/2012-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'no'
T3/r6/2012-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) BullE: 'yes. it costs more than 1cent to make a penny...'
T3/r6/2012-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Your mom costs more than she's worth, and I don't see anyone going to get rid of her.'
T3/r6/2012-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flippin' Flip: 'thank god for starling's logic. we'd be lost without it'
T3/r6/2012-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) BullE: 'wow...is that what this channel is for? noob trolls?'
T3/r6/2012-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling is agreeing with that Flippin' Flip person again...
T3/r6/2012-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling shrugs in response to BullE's question.
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it could get very interesting if the us supreme court strikes down that health care thing...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'aren't they mostly republicans?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'who, the supreme court?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, the bush got to put in 2 or 3, iirc.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's 5-4 in favour of the "conservatives", yes.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so there is your vote :) almost guaranteed. This is an election year...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wonder how many americans would say that the supreme court is nonpolitical...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'this is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their party.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'how many idiots are in the US?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'more than 300 million'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, there was this guy living under this rock...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I don't think 300M would say that the USSC is non-political, but the number is close :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the point is that, being an election year, and being that Obama is president, the vote is going to go against him.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'all these politically divided decisions are eroding public faith in the institution itself.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'quite sad'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wow, you think?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krimp: 'absolutely'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's been downhill since the Warren Commission. After they SC elected Bush to the presidency, there was no looking back :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and people are fighting voter registration efforts in various parts of the country... ill omens'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'wish they tried mandatory voting, like australia'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chisato: 'the voter id laws in some parts of the states are downright awful'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there are more registered democrats than there are registered republicans. The strategy for republicans has always been to stifle voting. '
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home they issue you id while you're in school...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we let pets vote here.  Dead people, as well.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chisato: 'dead people are the best voters'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we even make pets serve jury duty...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heard that one. ha'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if all the registered democrats voted, no republican would be elected no matter what they did (short of declaring martial law, like the bush was setting up to do :))'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the funniest part of that story was that the owner actually showed up with proof that the served individual was a dog (including said dog and pedigree papers) and the judge STILL made him go through the process.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that's how LBJ got elected Senator. They rose from their graves to vote him in. In alphabetical order.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'LBJ benefited from joining the Craft'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'good thing that Occupy infected the democrats, huh?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Anaristos. You're an idiot. If every registered voter voted no one would be elected, because that's the reason most people don't vote.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'is election day a holiday? I never noticed. Having to work on that day probably doesn't help turnout...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, it's not a holiday, but you can take time off work to go vote.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'are employers required to give time off?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ah'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't think that it requires the entire day, though :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'still, I'd bet that some feel a bit of pressure to finish their jobs...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'since when are they forced to give time off for elections?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am sure you are right.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they are forced to give up some of the day's time so that a voter may reach the booths, yes.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home, I think it's a holiday. Makes sure that there's no pressure not to vote for most people.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nobody I worked for allowed it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, you didn't know the law :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, even if it's a law, I bet lots of people don't know it'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'including employers'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or they can pretend not to know, at least'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'is it a national one, or state level?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'especially if they're republicans and don't want their stinking working class employees to vote democrat!'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, I stand corrected. It is not a federal law, it is a law implemented state by state, so maybe you live in a state that doesn't have the law.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though most states do have it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hmm, wonder if there's a resource for looking that up.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'liberal states typically have that sort of law...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'in the state of oklahoma, liquor stores cannot be open during an election'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'http://blogs.payscale.com/compensation/2010/11/employee-time-off-for-voting.html'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'see if you can find your state in the list'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why do they have to be liberal? Not that I don't agree with your assessment :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I think it's funny how people still argue democrat over republican'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dirkdiggler is agreeing with that Juliartus person again...
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'You're all too blind to see that they're all in cahoots with eachother, and want to destroy your country and take your money'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Most people don't vote, because there is no viable option to vote for'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'So, what? It is your right as an American to rise up against the government and topple it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'fine, I agree. But if you don't vote, you can't claim you are getting screwed, you are not entitled to any claims.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, liberal states with liberal lawmakers can ensure greater support, since the salaried sort tend to favour liberals a little'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'You are absolutely entitled. Why would you vote for someone you don't want leading you?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if all those guys who don't vote voted for the same third party, the democrats and republicans would be toppled in one fell swoop'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'And then you have another blue blooded politician running your country.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'They are -all- in cahoots. They're a breed of people.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'meh, nowhere near a full list in that link.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'because then someone else will lead you :) There is such thing as choosing the lesser of 2 evils. I bet a lot of people berated themselves for not voting in the 2000 election :) The choices were not good, but the worse choice got "elected" :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh well, first step is to get a decent people to form a third party...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'And they're employed by our own corporations' lobbyists.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'You can't form a third party unless you succumb to the evils of pork-barreling and lobbying'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'You won't be given the resources nor treated as a politician.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'find a few well known, capable and heretofore apolitical types...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Thomas Jefferson, one of our founding fathers, KNEW that revolution was necessary to maintain the stability of a people.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'who would have imagined that Al the Bore would have been a  better choice than George the Bush?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'A people should not fear it's government, but the government should fear it's people.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'of course he did, he wrote the Constitution in blood collected from Hamilton's duel.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: '...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Riiiight.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah... they could've gotten a boring workhorse, but noooo...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, Hamilton was a fool. Anyone who stands in front of someone who is shooting a weapon at him is a fool.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'It was an agreed-upon duel...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so? That doesn't make him less a fool.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'two fools?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Three, for the witness.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he did.  It's right there in the Book of Secrets, page 82.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'why? The witness isn't getting shot'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'But he's a fool for watching and allowing I guess'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I know about the duel, why would anyone who is not a fool engage in an activity that gives him about a 50% chance to get killed over something which wasn't life or death?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it might make him an ass, but a fool?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'HONOUR AND GLORY'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I would totally do that if law allowed me. I breathe hot steam.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'bugger that'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it was a manly way to settle differences.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I rather sue :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Cause you're another fool.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a live fool, though :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ugh, my govt is too trigger happy with the suing thing.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'A live fool who hides behind the book of law to protect, defend, and bring justice to him.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you would not have been able to sue.  The courts protect our way of life, and life was very different back then.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, why do I pay taxes for then? If I am going to pay for membership into a society, I damn well will reap the benefits.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Truth is, most people who pay taxes don't actually pay taxes, because they get it all, if not more, back at the end of the year.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oh, you could still bring the suit.  It just wouldn't be successful.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'especially since I have to put up the then shit.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'And our tax system is highly fkered.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or the just don't pay taxes, period.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'We're paying for social programs that should NOT be there. They're just as easily run by your local community church.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'In fact, probably more efficiently run by some kind of community organization.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't care who pays nor pay. I pay therefore I am entitled. Though I will say, it is my duty to pay as little as possible.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'handing social service over to religious organisations? ha'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'You're not entitled to crap. You are entitled to what you earn.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'like anyone is going to associate with known kiddie-diddlers'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'You are entitled to your freedom, and protection from someone else affecting that freedom.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Other than that, you are on your own.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we live in a society. It's hard to see who really earns what with their own labour'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, so you are saying that if you know who they are you mind? But if they keep it secret, you don't mind associating with them :) I get it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I have no idea what you just said.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'That really made no sense. Please re-explain?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'without transfers, what if everyone demanded the economic system that leads to the highest "earnings" for themselves?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Transfers?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '(Debate) Hanslanda: 'like anyone is going to associate with known kiddie-diddlers'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he means you would be willing to be friendly with a guy who diddles your kid if you didn't KNOW he was diddling your kid.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'What?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'redistribution'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Then you would have a motivation driven economy...?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I'm not understanding your arguement.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'then you'd have the classes at each other's throats'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'No. You'd have the people who don't want to work, and the people who do.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'like biting into the best, juiciest, most tender cut of meat and then getting told at the end of the meal it was sliced out of the former Mr. Universe's left asscheek.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'The people who do, are going to make more for themselves than the people who don't.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the poor would want an economic system that gives them more earnings, and move towards that. Capitalist would want one that give them more earnings. The inventors and engineers would want... etc.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I sure as hell am not going to be taking care of someone who doesn't want to work. And if there's someone unable to work, they should be taken care of by their community or family.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they'd be killing each other'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Lol. 'Economy' is so relative. It's this made up thing that people buy into with money that is no longer backed by gold or silver.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'What about people that don't have a family, J?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I rarely see someone who is unwilling to work in a well-run country'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, Hanslanda. I would feel bad about her asscheek. But, I wouldn't be able to deny that it was a an awesomely juicy steak :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'They die. Or some community organization takes them in.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not Miss, Mr.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos is so sick that he tells everyone "I gotta barf!".
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Community is a term that has died out, and is something that is necessary for the well-being of it's people.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nice. I am happy I don't live in your country.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'It used to be, if someone was sick, the people of their community would take care of them.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in the us, those who are "unwilling to work" are all too often just too discouraged to look for work'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you have a full belly and have been saddled with the awful realization that your mouth was on some guy's ass.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'of course that would be an oxymoron, jucy asschick and Mr. Universe.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Now everyone is so enticed by the dog-eat-dog world, that they only care for themselves.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I would rather have my community care for me than my government. Mostly due to the fact that my community can take BETTER care of me than my government,.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Juilartus, poolize!, the world has been dog-eat-dog since the first amoeba met the second one.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha. So poor communities would be doomed, no matter how much social good they create'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'That was before free thought and empathy, Anaristos.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Both of which amoebas are incapable of, as far as we know.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you give humans to much credit, bottom line they are animals and behave as such. Striving to be the alpha is hard-wired.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'bacteria before the amoeba.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Oh boy.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I'm done.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's also the zombie fungus.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the job of government is to do for the people what is "desirable", and which smaller subdivisions are incapable of.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos waves goodbye to Juliartus.
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'The job of government is to enforce everyone's right to freedom. Not to hand-feed mother fkers who suckle off mommy's teet.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'And to protect our land from invasion.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's a pretty mean spirited view'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'And to promote and invest in education.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'how can you be free if you are being forced to be so?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'You are free to not be free. It's your freedom.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and would ultimately lead to the breakdown of society'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'You are forced to not affect anyone else's freedom. That's the only force involved.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'who would defend a country unless it was worth defending?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'bullshit. Can your state secede from the Union?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'It's people?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Hell yes it can'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I live in Arizona'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'obviously you don't read history :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Obviously, I do. Quite a bit.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, AZ is not state, it's a penal colony :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'And a few states are on the edge of secession right now.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'would there be anything worth defending in a country that does not protect its people from misfortune and disasters that are preventable in other countries?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Amongst them, Montana, Alaska, and Arizona.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No states are going to secede.  Don't be silly.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'If by misfortune and disaster you mean foreign invasion, yes.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one person's freedom inevitably affects the freedom of others'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and as soon as they secede federal troops, with the same weaponry they used in Iraq and are using in Afghanistan, will descend on those states.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'They won't in the end, I'm sure. But they're threatening their govt. with it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's actually law for Texas.  It'd still start a war and Texas most likely would lose, but it's actually there on the books.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'One person's freedom does not affect the freedom of others.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'especially clear when it comes to economic freedom...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Madoff blows that out of the water, I think.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'The economy is invisible. It doesn't exist. You're still buying in to it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I mean, you'd just have to look at lobbyists...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'where do you get that crap, juliartus? Everyone is interconnected, there is no way I can exercise my freedom without curtailing somone else's.  '
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Absolutely there is.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'We are only interconnected to the degree we allow it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so we all live in separate universes, I get it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if someone claims that "One person's freedom does not affect the freedom of others.", I suppose he must have a strange and very limited view of what freedom is, or he can't be serious...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'We are human, yes. We are American, yes. We have empathy for our fellow human, in most cases, yes.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'hey, speak for yourself :) I am not from the US'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not in most cases.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Thank. God. Or whatever you believe in.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the pollution that one guy emits affects the others...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's okay Juliartus, I was 14 once and thought I knew everything.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you fart next to me, do I not smell it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'The pollution that ONE GUY emits, does not affect another.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you miss the point. There is only one ecology. Everyone and everything affects everyone and everything else.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'It is your freedom to move, Sonshi.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Lol Starling. I'm 23.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you cough in my direction, do I not (run the chance of) get(ting) sick?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'You had the freedom to not be around a sick person, Sonshi.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and nothing, nothing, can be completely free, anyway. We can only speak of degrees of freedom.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Unless the sick person didn't make others around him aware that he was sick.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'You can be absolutely free. You can not work. You can starve. You can die. That was your freedom.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'OR, unless you're ignorant enough not to notice when someone is sick.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is only one absolute in the Universe. Absolute 0.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'lol'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but I don't have the freedom to stay, mind my own business, and not smell your fart or hang around a sick person who happened to sit next to me.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'aka dead universe.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'that's a terrible argument for freedom'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'absolute zero doesn't actually exist.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Absolute zero is Kelvins, correct?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Because all sick people have a neon sign over their head announcing that they are sick, right?  Don't be dense.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'if i create a law saying that all people who say bad things about the government will be executed'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Sure you do. Cover your nose.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'you still have the freedom to speak, you just get executed'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'so that's freedom of speech eh'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if I shoot bullets in your direction, you don't have the freedom to stay there and not die...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if it is absolute, it is absolute. Kelvin or otherwise. There is only one absolute 0.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'cool'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's the theoretical point where all atomic processes stop.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Having that law, would not be freedom.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'it would based on your definition of freedom'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Sonshi, that's where the govt comes in.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'you have the freedom to choose to speak or not!'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'It's their duty to make sure no one shoots at you.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'except themselves :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and who gets to decide what is permissible?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Look, we know that Philosophy 101 might be interesting to you, but I hate to break it to you that it's mostly irrelevant bullshit.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Right, Hanslanda. Which is measured in Kelvins.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'why should some people, and not others, get to decide?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Absolute zero is the coldest it can get. Period. I was a chemistry major.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Was, but failed out?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i thought they had this thing called below absolute zero'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'No. Had to wait for the Pell Grant because mommy and daddy don't pay for my college and I can't afford university.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'And don't believe in loans.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I have a 3.8 GPA'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, indeed, so why bring up Kelvin? It could be called Absolute  0 Anaristos and it would be just as cold. Absolute 0 is the temperature where the universe dies.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Right, Anaristos... but the scientific term is Kelvins.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'dies?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20827893.500-how-to-create-temperatures-below-absolute-zero.html'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Actually, the universe can die above absolute zero'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'nothing moves at absolute 0.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not even electrons.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '"Dead universe" just means there is no gradient of energy to allow for any further processes or differentiation to occur.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I was referring to motion, though, Starling.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Not really Starling. Absolute zero would mean a complete lack of energy, and according to theory, would result in the Big Crunch.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Since our universe is the only closed system known to man.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no, absolute zero just means that you're in the bottom energy state.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The universe has not been shown to be a closed system'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and can be get back to discussing government?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Absolute zero means you're in the no energy state.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not no energy, bottom energy'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Because you can't show that the universe is a closed system, Starling. It's ever-expanding and unmeasurable in that sense.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'No energy.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'That is a bullshit, meaningless statement'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Tell me why.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You can't show that it's unmeasurable, either.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Because that's the knowledge we use today. In science, and in the classroom.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Yes, you can. Because it's ever-expanding.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Please, keep your phil 101 crap in your phil 101 class, it's not applicable to the real world.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and we have no idea if stuff in the universe stays in the universe.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I've never taken philosophy. It's not a real science.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Right Hanslanda, but that's the theory we use.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Philosophy is not a science, but a metascience'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if you take a bunch of particles at absolute zero, say, they still ahve energy'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Ask any physics major, and they will tell you the only closed system known to man is our universe.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Any physics major who said that would be wrong, or perhaps not even wrong'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Sonshi, they have energy, if you introduce energy into the system.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'But then it's not a closed system.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you allow them to decay, it will kick it out of abs zero'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'It wouldn't decay. It would be "frozen".'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Any physics major who talks about the edge of the universe like anyone has ANY concrete evidence one way or another is at best a C student.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'abs zero just means that it is in the lowest state for that system'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ranrr rapidly nods twice at Vakieh, in complete agreement.
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'It means that there is no energy present. Because if there was energy present, it wouldn't be absolute zero.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it still has mass and hence energy'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You can assume for practical applications, but to say "It is this way for sure" is the place of religion, not science.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I bet Juliartus has a nukular fissusion reactor in his basement that will solve the world's energy shortages.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the religion of science is theory'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you were really a chemistry major, you may need to revise your thermodynamics...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Vakieh, that's what I was saying. We use it for science. But science is not truth, it's just an observation of natural phenomenon.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'What is truth?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'There is no truth?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Science is not meant to find truth'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'science is truth.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'There is. We just can't know 100% of it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Science is not truth... science is the observation of natural phenomenon.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Take a course on 'theory of knowledge"'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Science is a method to find the best explanation for observed phenomena.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Ranrr wins'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Know what is absolute zero?  The number of men Juliartus' mom could keep interested in her.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's a lot of semantics regarding truth...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'There are degrees of truth, which correspond with degrees of certainty. Which EVERY scientist needs to live an breathe if they want to be any use in the real world.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'live and*'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'My mom has three children from two diff dads.And if you're going to take an intellectual conversation and start flaming, maybe you should look at your priorities.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'how did we get from government, to science to philosophy/linguistics??'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'anyway, about the government...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I have my priorities straight, don't worry.  Thanks for confirming what I just said about her btw.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I guess you haven't been here long J...this is remarkable restrained for Starling...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's late night on the internet.  It's a wonder we haven't started throwing around links to morally questionable (and/or amusing) content.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Vakieh, if you approach science with that mindset though, it alters your findings.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"miss" I-sterilised-myself Starling?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Alters your findings? No, it alters your personal conclusions.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Right, that's what I meant'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Your "personal" findings'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Which are inherently biased regardless'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Might as well bias them towards skepticism...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'That's the major battle of science, and why they teach you that there is no truth but only an observation and description of natural phenomenon.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'scepticism? nah, k looks right'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'They? 'They' taught me there WAS truth - but that nobody knows anything for sure'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'bah, this is veering towards philosophy... Can't be argue about something in which right and wrong is clearer...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Well, what's truth then? Cause I'm pretty sure that's knowing something for sure.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'like government... or absolute zero?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I love this channel <3'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'My brain is on fire now XD'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you may need a doctor'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Nah, it tingles in a good way.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You can't light a fire in a vacuum, sorry'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'combustion of the brain is contraindicated for mudding'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Only if it's a complete vacuum, which we can't reproduce, Starling.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'A complete vacuum would be a lack of mass, and a closed system, which we can't reproduce.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if you ignore quantum fluctuations...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I suppose there would be other instances, but it's impossible to have flame in a -complete- vacuum.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'introducing the flame into it would make it no longer a vacuum'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Right'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'right: finding a vintage collection of movies starring highly-famous people you vaguely recognize and a working projector to view them on.  Wrong: Mom stars in all of them, and they're taking their clothes off in the first scene...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'And if it's already a complete vacuum, you don't have the tools necessary to make flame.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'after all, a flame is glowing bits of stuff'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'very wrong: they're all OLD!'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Flame is oxidization.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just gas that radiates in the visible spectrum, depending on who you ask'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'besides, there is no such thing as a vaccum :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: '?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Whatcha mean by that?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'There are vacuums of variable force, but never a complete vacuum.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'find me a place where there is no particles...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there are no*'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'There are degrees, though.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a pure vacuum does not naturally occur, anywhere in the universe.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'But if there were a complete vacuum, the inside of your head would probably be it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'thank you'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling pats Juliartus on his head.
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, instead of oxidising stuff, you can use aanother oxidising agent...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Like, you cool chemical reactions faster under a vacuum, or pump, but you'd never be able to achieve a -complete- vacuum.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'err, instead of using oxygen'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I'm going to feed Starling to my Dobermann.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'once you get to think about wave functions and stuff, the point is kind of moot...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I would shoot that dog dead.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we can create complete vacuum, it just never occurs naturally.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'What, Sonshi?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'beware the "rig hands"!'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'We can't create a complete vacuum, not that I'm aware of. Unless it was recent.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as they say, the "vaccum" is seething with quantum activity.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, your vacuum is going to have wave function in it anyway'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'also, all particles have duality.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I don't know much about physics, Sonshi. What would that wave function come from?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Light? Because light behaves as a particle and a wave, and a complete vacuum wouldn't have particles.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, each particle has an associated wave function...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'But there are no particles in a complete vacuum...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'A complete vacuum is a presence of nothing.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the wave function of stuff outside your region of vacuum would bleed in'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Again with the phil 101 crap'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Well, then it's not a closed system, and therefore not a complete vacuum '
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Or maybe he read that crackpot Null Physics book, who knows'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and you also get virtual particles and all that...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'That's why our universe, which is the biggest thing we know, is -believed- to be the only closed system'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'What are virtual particles?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'And what's this duality thing?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so if a complete vacuum is "nothing inside", then the point is moot, since there's always stuff going on'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wave-particle duality'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Right, Sonshi. That's why we can't reproduce it and it doesn't exist as far as we know.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I think you've shown that you're sufficiently ignorant that most of what you say can be hereafter disregarded as nonsense.  Thanks for playing.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, there's not as far as we know here...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(no)'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'high typo rate today'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'That's the bitch of science. We don't even know what we know.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it was famously tested in the early portion of the 20th century using light, which proved that photons behave both as a particle as well as a wave (the double-slit experiment).'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'The true key to knowledge is knowing you know nothing.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Right'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'You follow Freeman at all?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I think his first name is Richard... deceased now I think'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there have been a couple more attempts at the same experiment using various particles other than light, and they've been producing the same result.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, we more or less know that pairs of particles pop in and out of existence spontaneously...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I'm familiar with that, Hanslanda. Didn't know it was called that. Unfamiliar with that though, Sonshi.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I heard some unreliable info about what happens to one particle may affect another particle somewhere else in existence, but I never really looked into that'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the latest was just recently completed, so if particles behave differently than wave-particle duality it's purely a matter of the size of the particle.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, the fun thing is that you can shoot eniter atoms through your slits and still get the same sort of pattern'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(entire)'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's quantum entanglement'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I'm so taking physics now'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Shit is so interesting'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I only had the basic calculus physics lol'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, until your prof tells you that no one really understands QM.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'QM is weird because it doesn't really describe the macro lvl'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'From what I understand'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and that the only people who will tell you they do, are engineers, and what they mean is that they know how to do the math'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which works wonderfully'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'quantum entanglement is only theoretical, I believe, since it would mean that something with mass could violate the cosmic speed limit (similar to that neutrino hubbub).'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'It pertains to the micro and below lvl, but nothing rly bigger than that'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'except we don't know why it happens, just what.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Neutrinos? You mean from HADRON?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no, the entangled particles do not send any info'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Then what's the connection between the two particles? If no transfer of info?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's just that when one is observed, both wave functions collapse...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how do they know both collapsed?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we observe the other one'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'And how do they know that those two particles are innevitably connected? And it's not another particle somewhere else?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the experiments involved were rather intricate, and had to rule out certain possibilities...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not even knowledge.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oops, wrong channel.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you start with two entangled particles and shoot them off in different directions...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '...this will take too long to type. I bet there's a wikipedia article on it somewhere...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Bell's Theorem :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'personally I'm not entirely convinced that hidden variables are ruled out. That part gave me a headache...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the Copenhagen interpretation sucks the big one, imo'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Define entangled?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'one particle knows what the other is doing?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the point being that some information is traveling faster than light.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Say what?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'What form is that information in?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ask the particles'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Quantum entanglement is from ME, not reality o.0'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Well it seems weird that we could come to a conclusion that particles transmit information to eachother if we don't know what form that information is in'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'And the fact that particles are entangled are based on the fact that they transmit that information'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's not quite THAT weird, since the Universe did the same thing with inflation.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'probably even related to what caused inflation, but we still don't know anything about the background canvas that is space itself.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the particles behave in a synchronized fashion no matter how far away they are from each other.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the information isn't transmitted, the system collapses after the first observation'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Inflation?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so if A observes that his particle is 1, then later B observes that his particle is 0, B knows that A got 1. But info was not transmitted'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if it was entangled so that it would be 10 or 01'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's the term for what the universe did in the billionth of a second after the Big Bang occurred.  Essentially, the universe went from quantumly small it astronomically large.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Are you talking about energy states?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Ahhh. And is gaining speed, correct?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that came later, I think'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if A subsequently takes his particle and changes it to 0, nothing changes on B's end. He still sees 0 there'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Changes what to 0?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the universe hasn't been accelerating since the beginning, if I recall.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'try deb -h sonshi'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Hans, I got my info on that from the discovery channel so I can't be certain, but I thought they said ever-accelerating'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Right, but what value is 0 or 1, Sonshi?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, the bang, then inflation, then it sort of just coasted a bit, then it started accelerating.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Or 10?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos loves  tachyons
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Ahh'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just states of the particles'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'So energy state'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just labels for the states'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that are related through entanglement'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can call them x and y, or 3 and 5, doesn't matter...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'So, how do we tell if two particles are entangled if we can't know how the information is transmitted, and the possibility of multiple particles behaving the same as those two is there?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Rather don't than can't'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'because we repeat the process, and we observe that about half the time, A sees 1, the other half A sees 0, and likewise for B'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I'm asking this out of inquisition, not flaming or anything'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but the states are always 0,1 or 1,0'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'So they're different states, but still entangled? Or maybe them being different states constantly means they're entangled?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, just random chance alone does not explain it...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so the particles must have that relation'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Well I mean entanglement is described by constantly/equally opposite states?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you run it a thousand times, but even though there's a 50% chance of being 0 or 1, the states are always opposite for both'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'That's what I meant, thank you :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, not always, but in this small standard example'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'So if they're not always opposite, how can they be entangled?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Especially if the speed of transmission of information is faster than the speed of light?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so the logical question to ask is, if they're always opposite, how do you know they didn't start that way?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'then there are more experiments to run...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Well you just said only 50% of the time...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'And I dunno about physics but any standard deviation over like 0.01% is totally frowned upon'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can twist the particles so you get different probabilities, and see if it eliminates that hypothesis'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'He meant that statistics says it's a 50% chance, but the observed rate is a lot higher.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Oh, weird'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I'm gonna have to read into this, it sounds really interesting'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, in the first case, where the particles are "opposite", the chance for each particle is 50%, but they are always opposite'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'then the next thing eliminiates the possibility that they were being sent out as pairs, already in the 10/01 state'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's really no information that's getting transfered, in a sense. the system just collapses like that.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which is why it's often called "spooky action at a distance"'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Well, I know that the act of observing an electron alone interferes with it's position'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'So I could believe that'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as much as sci-fi authors might lead you to hope, though, entanglement offers no way to send messages at over the speed of light...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'doesn't it occur instantaneously?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'I think instantaneously is relative lol'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, the system collapses, but no info is "sent"'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Especially if we're talking faster than the speed of light'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'if you can cause a change at one end and detect it somehow at the other end, i think info can be sent'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'it's just no where near possible now'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can't, that's the thing...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'can't do what?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you caused a change on your end, it just changes the wave function on your end'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'ok, i'll take your word for it since i don't know anything about it :p'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you think of it as a coupled rv sitting in a probability space, you're just modifying one rv... the base space is unaffected'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'the other rv is no longer coupled right?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it still is'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'heh, weird :p'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and will remain coupled on that same space. Modifications made to one will only affect the rv on that side...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'basically, if one is X and the other Y, and their determined by a "choice" in omega, your probability space, if you modify one end, it's like just applying an operator to X. Doesn't do anything to Y'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so there's no way to change the coupling itself... no way to send info'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'We're still on this?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'physics is fun!'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'makes you want to feed your brains to the birds at times, but...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgZZ82tp5es'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'So, wait'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'If you cause a change on one end, it doesn't affect the other. Then what changes to A will affect B?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'What type of changes, rather'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Sorry had to go grab another bowl of sghetti and another glass of wine :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'nothing'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'That makes no sense to me. Two particles behave in a similiar fashion, but if one changes, the other does not. That seems to me like you're observing two particles under similiar circumstances... and yes, they're going to behave the same.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you observe that one of them is in a certain state. Then you notice the other is in the other state. Always.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'So what if you produce changes to the particle that make it of the same state as the other?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if they are entangled in the 01/10 state initially...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's the way I used to do it, but I decided that with an equ db, you don't need to keep your portals in one bag even if you do.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and you flipped the left one, then you get...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '11/00'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the coupling didn't change'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Ok, so then it does affect the state of the other particle.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or flag a special portal as the default to equip in the portal slot, you make it the default by equipping it.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'heh'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'All good Ana :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'nah, it goes from 01/10 to 11/00'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so the second particle doesn't change'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'The second particle changed from 10 to 00'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Maybe I'm not understanding the state thingie'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'with commas... 0,1/1,0 to 1,1/0,0'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Still... 1,0 to 0,0'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'That's a change, right?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'initially you could get 0,1 or 1,0. After flipping, you can get 1,1 or 0,0'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'In some sense, if in your "original world", you got 1,0, then in the world in which you flipped the left first, you would get 0,0'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you were at the same "point" in your probability space'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, in reality, you can't just pick the same point in the probability space, since that's "hidden" in some sense'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'lol i need to do some reading'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'ima go watch deathly hallows part II with my lil sis, I'll see y'all later'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Ty for the convo folks'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Don't hurry back'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Damn, thought I ignored you Starling. Lemme try again.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'read physics instead of watching fiction!'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or math. Math is good too'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I thought you did too, but then your name disappeared!'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Lol I would but apparently deathly hallows is totally different than the book'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'And I'm interested to see where it goes'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Peace!'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'when I was an x2 I talked to Xeno about joining Tao. He told me that they never take anyone at the minimum.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I mean saves vs spells :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'IO'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though there is a correlation'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just pointing out the hypocrisy... too tired to actually debate the points'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who was it who made it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'some republican. Hatch'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'american politicians aren't renowned for their huge intellect'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'whee, copy what other countries do if it suits us! No to foreign influence when it doesn't!'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'because we're number 1, except when we're not!'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'whoever said that every second thing a politician says is a misrepresentation was probably undercounting. Or found a particularly honest one.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best thing you can do with politicians is round them up and power your electricity generators by burning them'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'still, comparing the two US parties, it's like comparing petty thieves to bank robbers...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one of them's somewhat worse'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sure that's necessarily accurate'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess it depends on your personal ideology'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, thieves don't wave around guns, bank robbers usually do'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'republicans wave guns (warmongering Bush) and rob the taxpayer monies in the banks (Reagan deregulation of S&L)'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any american waves guns'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they have guns'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'suggestion: Mit Romney on "Are you smarter than a Fifth grader" (where the Democrats pick the questions)'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'suggestion: Mitt Romney on Jeopardy  (see if he even gets one answer)'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mitt romney on anything is a disaster'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'romney on who wants to be a millionaire. the host can never lock the answer'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I hear the UK economy isn't doing too well these days...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you guys sound like you're complaining that the republicans will lose power.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'How's austerity working out for you brits? Any brits here?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Germany was by far the best eurozone economy, and even they aren't doing well.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't have any austerity'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'usual government pissing about the edges rather than getting on and doing anything radical and constructive (and necessary)'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'but then again, the brits did 30ish years ago what the US wants to do now.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's that?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'this wouldn't be the first time the UK took a big beating economically.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we needed cuts of 25% just to break even, we got 0.7%'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and already the economy takes a hit'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they were rather socialist back in the day.  The social medicine front was apparently a big gorilla that they only recently just got out from under, just in time to watch the yanks try to do the same exact thing.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home we needed to cut the budget in order to balance it. What did we do? We temporarily increased it by a huge amount.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'government wastes time on budgets'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we needed huge tax rebalancing and simplification, and we got nothing'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'recession over, back to balance. Typical economic prescription really. Too bad the UK, most of europe, and the US don't have any economists or universities. Oh wait...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you make the mistake of assuming economists are scientists, they're not'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so called experts ... aren't'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they are no better than the weather-guessers'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they aren't, their models on the other hand...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the results speak for themselves'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'economic models can't really predict the future, and relying on them tends to make you lose money.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'government medicare requires to provide basics only and only the inwexpensice prescriptions, inexpensive advanced medical care, -- and let the freak genetic misfits pay for their own expensive extra services'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'all they really end up saying is "buy low, sell high"'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can insist till you're blue in the face that airplanes can't really fly, but it's hollow when one's flying over you...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's not flying!  That's falling with style!'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'missing the ground!'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'cancer is a fact of life currently -- if cheap to cure, then the government may pay for that, but if expensive to cure, let the patient pay for the cure'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'don't cure it at all.  If God didn't want you to have cancer, He wouldn't have given it to you.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a dodgy standpoint'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the government may as only subsidise inexpensive pharmaceuticals and desist from subsidising expensive pharmaceuticals'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'makes the presumption there is a god and that he gave cancer to you'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmm... in terms of per capita real gdp, the UK has been surpassed by quite a few of its former colonies...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in fact, we should offer up the option to express-lane terminal patients.  Why spend all that money keeping them alive for so long?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the government may as only subsidise inexpensive medical care and desist from subsidising expensive medical care'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's just another form of Death Row, and we don't need to be paying for that either.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'canada, australia, HK (if you count that), singapore...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's due to a number of factors'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I think australia may have passed the UK during the crisis...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'genomics offers hope of prventing and curing many defects cancers and dieases'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, and ireland, if you count that...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'among them mass uncontrolled immigration, and a welfare state system that has allowed a large proportion of the populace to be lazy and live for generations off welfare'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'genomics (sic) offers hope of preventing and curing many defects cancers and diseases'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but ireland may drop back in a few years'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no reason we should be paying for those, though.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh sure, because there're so few immigrants going to australia'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or canada. Or HK. Or singapore'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Ireland is exporting citizens to other countries'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ireland exports bombs to other countries, funded by america'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'anticipate more St Patrick's day riots worldwide'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in terms of net migration rate, singapore, aus, canada, hk are higher than the uk'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they're Irish, they don't need a reason to riot.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'rioting is a national pastime for them.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and at least two of these have lots of welfare'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not just the rates of migration, it's what they then do when they get here, and where they've come from'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, well, if you take crappier immigrants than the others, you're doing something wrong. Why isn't the country attractive to the sort of people that want to go to these other countries?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's attractive to spongers and criminals because we don't have entry requirements and give them welfare'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts is in which country with those lax immigration requirements'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha... easy for you to say... australia and canada have pretty good welfare too, and it isn't hard to migrate to those countries...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'fact is, the major factor affecting the US economy (compared to its successful ex-colonies) isn't these other small factors, it's economic mismanagement, plain and simple.'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are tons of reasons why UK is in a bad state, but the biggest are overpopulation and failed housing policy'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'overpopulation... you should look at HK and singapore...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'comparisons are largely irrelevent'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but HK and Singapore do not care if failures are homeless or starve'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the UK's biggest problem is that it's functioning below capacity'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'do you see homeless people in singapore? Starving people?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'won't get uk to capacity without shooting a bunch of chavs'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the proportion is far below the UK...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'did they euthanise them ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they built 1 bedroom apartments and put them there'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and they eat cats and dogs'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even small studio apartments would be more humane than not having a home...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'biggest problem we have here is inflated housing costs'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the government can build lots of housing with the spare capacity...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it should, but it won't'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but nooo... the UK has a budget problem! We can't use that capacity!'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're in the pockets of the building industry, so it's in their personal interest to keep prices inflated'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, our developers beg our government not to build housing that's too nice...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if they want to charge 1m per apartment, they should build even nicer ones...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'build on what and where'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'my government (singapore) builds housing'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'most housing is public housing back home...'
T3/r6/2012-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'prompting cries of "what about the markets!" from developers...'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'What are we debating tonight?!'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Are there different timezones, or not.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'are there different times zones? or do you mean "should there be" different time zones'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'cause whether or not there are currently time zones would be a pretty short debate'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, I meant the reference to "tonight", when it is morning here...'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Lol my bad.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Where you from?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sweden'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'SICK! One of the places I -really- wanna visit.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'why?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Because I've always heard good things about their govt. and way of life'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nah, you just want to come for the blonde chicks.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'TALL blonde chicks. XD'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Or is that Switzerland? lol'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'fjords are awesome, you'll want to check those out'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's Norway, B.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: '...fjords? What's good about fjords?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'no fjords in sweden? :('
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nope.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'heh. i thought bert was trolling :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'aw lame I thought sweden had some too'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'oh well, go to norway instead then :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Norwegian chicks are nice too '
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i thought swedes hated norwegians'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Heck yes they are. My great grandma was pure Norweign.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nah, we just make fun of them'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Very pretty'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'altho afaik swedes and norwegians are 95% the same :P'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'got moose in sweden ?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yup. Lots of them.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Moose are dangerous. They cause more deaths in Alaska than bears.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'yeah the males get pretty aggressive'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'My dad's a principal up there and told me a story about one of the other schools' teachers getting trampled going out to his car at night'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'they are a lot bigger animals than most people realize until they see one for the first time in real life'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'Lived up there for two years and saw a bunch of them. They will DESTROY your car if you hit one.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'And prolly kill you if you're going fast enough'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yup'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'well yeah they can weigh well over 1,000 pounds, so that would be like hitting a brick wall'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'they're fucking huge'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nono, it's not like hitting a brick wall'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it'l like hitting a brick wall that's hovering 1 meter above the ground'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'hah yeah that's true most cars would just take out the legs and then the body gets dumped on the windshield'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'And falls directly into your windshield annihilating you'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juliartus: 'lol yeah'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they was talking about something on history tv today where they admit the government lied to the people about radiation being not a problem to them and showed the contrast of panic they wanted to avoid through their lie - if they're all gonna die anyways then is it an adult thing to tell them it's alright they're not going to die while they die, or to say face it and show them what they can do to avoid death to their best ability?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'seemed like a pretty bad example of government lying to them that they're not going to die while they melt'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who cares if they riot and chaos happens, maybe something'll be done about it then'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a government that treats adults like little children believing in santa clause is insulting'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'such is the modern origin of priests'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in the 1930's-1950's the government paid canadian women to paint buttons with radioactive material on tanks and gave them cancer, but they didn't get any compensation for their duties - that's a proven track record of government ignorance, and the viability of their technological and industrial advancement's of today'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'probably all wind up in death sooner or later, cause they're idiots'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'since 1950, china's successfully removed (with support of european investors) american and canadian production of their own goods and services, most things produced in canada are sent to asian markets and marketed from there for a profit as agriculture is privatized here (stalin)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'independence is non-existant, and anything that says made in canada may actually have it's website in australia, it's import manager in texas and it's source in colombia'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'a nation who can't do nothing for itself's one that can't defend itself in a war'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's a slave-state'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'even if it has the illusion of being rich'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's easily removed'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'haha, i was mocking money one day with yahoo and talked about buying a new lambourghini with pennies, how many dump trucks would be needed and staff to count it'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'All you need to know about Canada's penny withdrawal http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/03/30/f-penny-faq.html'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'The Currency Act states: "A payment in coins b& is a legal tender for no more than b& 25 cents if the denomination is one cent."'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so if i went there with 750 million pennies, while it's 750 thousand dollars, they're only obliged to accept 25 cents of it'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'call that a down payment with 25 cent payments every 25 minutes'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'When I worked in parking enforcement, some tool paid his $300 worth of parking fines in pennies.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nice'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i figure if money's gonna exist, and pennie's the basis a dollar is fractionalized into, and dollars are the amount in existance, then for each dollar should exist 100 pennies'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the government deals in 8 trillion per year, nearly all from taxes, other institutions deal with even more'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '8 trillion dollars is 800 trillion pennies'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'getting rid of the penny gets rid of the dollar'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or the dollar is the new penny, otherwise 25 cents represents nothing, there is 4 cents per dollar'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if the world says there's 800 trillion trillion dollar's floating around the world, then they should be able to point out where the gold that weighs /1000 ounces of gold is so people can verify they're not selling themselves to a con artist'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'gold standard right?  should be quite a few millions of tonnes around'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what retarded rocket scientist figured out that with canada lifting environmental sanctions on national parks for petro china replacing petro canada along with a yukon gold mine on indian reservation nature preserves the value of the dollar would go down'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how much shit can you put up wit in a single lifetime'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this is the stuff people go nuts and blow up world trade centers about'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'although things like that don't usually happen unless they're funded by the people who made the value of the dollar go down with the chinese oil company going up'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's how i see it anyways, i don't agree with terrorism, but to me the government and the con artists who invented it look like terrorists'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all are a bunch of crooks as far as i see, and since they defend the game that oppresses everybody they know that'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and yes, i should be able to buy my lambourghini complete with a 1500 dollar cupholder add-on in pennies'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if they disagree i could always hire a bomber to drown their dealership in 750 tonnes of uranium'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'fat ass mafia lambourghini salesman never worked a day in his life except to inherit his daddies occasional interaction with a millionairre customer come and do some counting, '
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'll even roll 1/4 of it for you'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: ''it's more complicated than that' there's a mind of over 100 rich men watching over how complicated it is, they share a secret that's too complex for you to know, it's not complicated at all'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's money today, a plastic card and trust that the computer system can't increment or decrement your wallet at will'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'over 7 billion people slaves to a absolutely fraudulent system'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'money's like that plastic money they gave you to play with in kindergarden as you learned how the real world worked in all it's artistic splendour, you'd sure give it up for that transformer the other kid's got wouldn't you?  too bad they won't trade for your junk'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the same logic doesn't apply to the adult world though, cause they don't learn how they learned about money and it's value, cause that value wasn't even there'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i wonder if any kindergarden teachers who sold themselves to selling kids to money recognized that or not?  or politicians?  or computer programmers?  they all got some money and people who trade transformers, no harm done'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the shine's all in the mind'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and since this mind's based on retardation the source of the root of all evil can be seen'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the canadian government there's saying that the dollar is absolutely fictional, 25 pennies is all you can legally spend at any given time, but things costing 26 cents and above are everywhere'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'who cares about morality, that university professor sucking 1975 penises to pay for her bachelor's degree from the educational government of moral's isn't very moral of a trade of knowledge is it'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they claim money's based on the knowledge, selfless immoral buy some guns and bullets don't ask who's being shot'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'stupid shit, government shouldn't be some flimsy piece of ego trash'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'absolute motherfucker!'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do you got much of a heart down there making people suck dicks and shoot strangers for oil companies that you can use that excuse in not taking my 26 cents?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'my ass bitch, that's my answer to everything'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aarfari: '-10 h'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you got vagina monologues i got rastafarian bolimalogues'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if i was a billionairre i would buy everything in paso's'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's a neat thing actually, paso is a platform carried on the back's of people, and peso is the name of the money they're enslaved under'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they sound almost identical don't they?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i detect a cynic not written of in history'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how come they never do a history television programs on the mockery of generations of people through liturgy?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's people who actually mock life in charge of life on earth, while most people don't mock life and follow them to their premature graves'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't believe that coincidence was just a random, random means there's no mind behind it, and both words are under a mind of worship, held in high esteem'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm against wage working, producing things is fine but am i being paid fairly?  never, wear your happy cap and uniform, put on your fake smile cause you hate your job but there's 1000 others who can wear that fake face better than you'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if it never changes eventually nobody'll be left alive anyways, that's where the world's headed to now, like lemmings swimming to that island that doesn't exist'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and they sell their lives for shit that wouldn't buy a transformer in preschool'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'stupid, shit's all there already, some fat great maggot mock lifer say's it's in his yard though'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i hate people like that when they don't keep their yards reasonable'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so if you was like predator on your alien farm coming to keep the vermin in check, and you seen that all the humans were worshipping their enemy, would you wipe them out or what?  i'd get along with predator aliens pretty good'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'anybody on earth can be reduced toa  pile of animated dirt that think's who's in it doesn't exist, because dirt is unintelligent according to atheists'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some lie's tellin me what's what, who the hell is this?  the dirt won't remember either of us, why should i?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'is that hate or science?  maybe it's retarded, but dirt's unintelligent and that's what we are, twitching membrains of forgotten nomenclature'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'good old nirvana, at one with nothing, the all'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'too bad most people aren't as evil as that, otherwise the government wouldn't be as full of shit as it is, self-denial extremeties'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'nahh we can't accept that, even the most evil person on the face of the earth is afraid of thinking that'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'most evil people get their kicks out of causing others evil or playing a justice game in their mind, a little pain for a little pleasure, eye for an eye but not too much though, just enough so that i can feel sneaky'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i don't like that when it's on as large of scales as it is in the world, individuals do whatever they do, but governments and shit are where they do that, and when they themselves take on the personage of those within them's abuse they become devil'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so to be atheist to the core is like i said, then there's the possibility of satan which is obviously stated'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and god too, i'm open to all possibilities, what's your take on things?  feeder on ignorance'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: '.. true patriot love, in all thy son's command .. with glowing hearts we see the rise the true north strong and freee, from far and wide oh canada we stand on guard for thee.. what if there's con artists running oh canada, do you love the canada word which encompasses an area of land administrated by the enemy and a traitor, or can you safely hate the name canada because it's led by feces and you're not into scat?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'independence my ass, claim independence in any nation on earth and the united nations maybe will be the reason why your nation was led by people you hate'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe they don't have all the choices '
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the UN would accidentally launch some tupolev bombers from russia onto parliament hill for trying to take over the oil sands and reduce destruction of dear canada'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'we could cut back on 90% oil production and still drive vehicles at the same rate'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's why i call them the united nazi's'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'did you know BENIN is a member of the united nations, and in that country they dismember, cook and gore children suspected of being witches?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's directly against their membership codes'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but they sure have alot of tourist resorts there, yeah, happy time funny joke world'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do your united jobs you are as i say'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so while the United Nazi's BENIN member is voodoo witchcrafting some children for the gold agriculture mineral monkey's, the great threat of syria looms on the horizon sanctionary iran'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they got some high tech defense against prevention of mutilating children in benin you betcha'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hard work to prevent that compared to syria and iran who have one a lake between itself and russia , the other all kindso f stuff'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'better pick on the dogs that bite the hardest, cause they got the worstest of the worst human bleeding heart rights abuses around'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they might even cut up albino children for european gold mine funded good luck witch craft rituals'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or execution squad some malaysian gold miners so the american company has government funding for the soldiers on their private island'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bunch of jokes running the world'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i should have been born a general and kicked the shit out of all these posers'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'watch out they have elephants and machetes!  holy christ lords, your 2 kilometre range sniper rifle stands no chance or even your howitzer'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'whole war might just require some education, but christ of christs, oil is more important, we need to fuel the tanks for tomorrows gladiator arena'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i think that's hilarious that people fear nuclear weapons, but canada sucks american nuts instead of having used it's relatively unlimited supply of uranium to tell russia and america to back the fuck off'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not enough staff?  import some mexicans'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's what they insist on isn't it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you do as i say .. or else'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'jfk style'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or was it mussolini?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bunker busting 8000 megatonne torpedo comin atcha, submarines the size of the kremlin'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i seen absolutely nobody make the link between the allegations of the mafia's involvements in the assassination of J.F.K and the mafia's involvement in the overthrowing of mussolini in world war 2'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why do you need a link?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but somebody here points out that hitler, mussolini and j.f.k all were catholic's in service of the pope'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'http://www.historyasfrontpagenews.com/from-hitler-and-mussolini-to-jfk-the-pope-meddles-in-politics.html'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'maybe you could discuss gear enchanting with him...'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so i can see more clearly who runs the world'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mis :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so was it the mafia world war 2 caesar jfk, the military, the pope or what'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, when it comes to running the world, the mafia is small fries.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'both JFK and Mussolini wanted to uproot the Mafia'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and both were publicly executed'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'america used the mafia to exterminate JFK, or was it the other way around?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i mean mussolini*'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'allegations that the mafia exterminated JFK is what they make movies about'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'was it possible that pearl harbour being bombed was staged or based on faulty intelligence by the russians or another besieged entity wanting american involvement?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that'd be alot of hardware to sacrifice if it was an inside job, but insiders who do jobs like that rarely think money is a concern'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they are not really allegations :) There is enough evidence to substantiate their involvement. The only question remains is how involved they were.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if the mafia which is a criminal organization based on living off of welfare cheques in luxury in taxes and things like that, maybe not from it's foundation but eventually, is in charge of the cause of world war 2 and survived, then that's not the kind of problem you want to keep hanging around the world is it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Luciano, at the behest of Dewy helped the federal government police the eastern seaboard docks  and root out german spies. In return, Luciano was pardoned and reteurned to Italy.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's why knowledge is a good thing to spread, wake the fuck up, there's only so many welfare kings on earth'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, well, the crime israel holds against spain to this day is keeping a ledger of how many ethnic jews were in its border at the request of germany - and today there's not a government on earth that doesn't do the same for all ethnicities'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just saying it's odd is all, the objective of Mussolini seemed to be to make the government of Italy fair, and that was seen as a great crime worthy of a world war'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and JFK's assassination too, judges all worked for the mafia etc in chicago back then, probably do today as well'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'seen that all on history shows'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'both mussolini and adolf hitler were world war 1 veterans too'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'demonized eternally'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i never seen a single history show discuss the crimes of the stasi, their method of execution by shooting people in the back of the head and not telling their family a thing, giving their kids up for adoption, torture, rape, etc, alongside the nazi they replaced'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and their subsequent move into government there, the united nations security council, universities and banks across the globe'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they never got punished'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and the media dare not mention the KGB doesn't exist anymore except it's ex-members just rule nations'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the STASI wasn't unique, and while brutal, not the most brutal.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'yeah, it'd be good to show people the christian ethics of the one nation under god they claim in their national anthem though'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'show what kind of 'the child shall not be punished for the sins of the father' systems they placed into germany after they invaded it'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'do the jews follow their bible?  probably not'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'of course historically they only use it when it's god's will that a nation be destroyed by their greedy king solomon'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'bunch of greasy fuckers, world war 3 is made neccessary by them, that or total death'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the SAVAK was much worse.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i'm sure there's worse things all over the place, but it's a secret see, you can't research the stasi'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'only what they show you or didn't destroy, and dead people don't say much unless you're into necromancy'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can't research the CIA, except for the Hollywood scripts.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'secret polices forces are secret, by definition.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'police*'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe not all mafia are bad people, i'm open to that possibility, lots of them are probably born into a certain lifestyle and inherit a train of thought that they don't recognize as wrong, because themselves weren't victimized by it'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but in this world somewhere is people who are evil through and through and they know better'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they shouldn't have any rights or protection, no proesecution by the law for wrong done to them, nothing'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, well'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'money protects them though, they're rooted at the top of the world and they never get replaced by good people, or people with good intentions, or fair minds'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'like JFK and mussolini's similar objective, wasn't against human beings having control of their own lives, but about removing those who are against the interests of the many from profiting at their expense'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i read about a person in new york city or a couple people, who said no to paying the mafia taxes or a % of their business that they paid for, both being murdered'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and that's what you pay the government for their protection police services'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you can go to afghanistan and invade some foreign russian wargames but you can't even clean up your own streets'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'this is a bible saying, first remove the beam from thine own eye before you can see clearly to remove the mote from your brothers'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'hypocrites'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so there's a good reason not to pay taxes'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'hypocrisy is something that's part of the job description. You can't be truly deceptive without being a hypocrite :> '
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'people who rule people unfairly are a crime against god in my sight'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'fair can be a democratic understanding'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'when in history has anyone ruled fairly?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and people can have the god of their own understanding'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Ptah was the closest i could see'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you are referring to the god Ptah, he was not fair by definition :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Ptah was a human being at one time too, maybe he used the name of a god or was deified after the fact, and name used obscenely giving you that impression'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, there are legends. But Ptah himself was a legend :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'amun means the unknown or hidden god, ra means the revealed divinity - it's possible both or neither were ever people at their onset, but it seems those names were used by rulers too, maybe human in origin'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'amen's also the ending of most psalm's'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well "amen" is  Hebrew word'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'ptah was a priest that i read about who advised the ruler of egypt, so he was a ruler of egypt, professing faithfulness and fairness with eachother'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you must be thinking of Amon'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'had quite a few stone inscriptions of his teaching's, if they were accurate it seems that's more of a fair leader than any since like those perverted roman mural's'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'which makes all that is said about him sell job :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'melchizidek means my king is righteousness, he didn't tariff in gold though - he chose bread and a 10% tithe of community gathering's, which was distributed among the needy and supported the church'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'however he went through and through isn't well documented though, assumptions only stem from the corruption everywhere else'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he's mentioned in the bible a couple times though, a jewish figure that they don't seem to esteem very highly '
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'maybe he wasn't even a jew'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'moses father in law was a priest of midian'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as they say, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. There hasn't been an oligarch in history that wasn't corrupt.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's because system's were destroyed that prevented corruption from happening'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's not acceptable to remain as it is, solution's get JFK'd or Mussolini'd though if they're not democratically understood, because 1 person isn't 7 billion'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'even in Athens, the cradle of Democracy, wasn't very democratic :) '
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the word democracy by definition is every adult member of a set of people having an equal say in an issue that affects their lives by that group'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'or every member since children are people too, just how well do they understand'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'whoever understands then has a say, and hiding knowledge isn't a very pertinent thing to make a democratic decision on'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'what's your bachelors degree in computer science hid behind, maybe 8 years of school, 225,000 dollars of loans from foreign bankers and teachers who have no personality'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'way to build a strong independent nation'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'thoughts are money'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if everybody was a doctor society wouldn't be as healthy'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'not everybody wants to be a doctor, but most who do don't because they can't afford the stretched asshole of their tuition'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am too cynical to think that only altruism drives would-be doctors, or even that altruism is a big factor :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'God complex :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'so that's why places where mid-range universities to top-end universities exist housing students have the highest levels of whores in a given municipality'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'just paying off the ability to have a piece of paper that says they did a think'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i did a think see, i know how this think r works and got 50 blowjobs to prove it'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now i can count your insurance companies'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'even if the doctor just gets an M.D. from Fuck U., he will still be well off financially. He won't be able to exact a pound of flesh from his patients, but he'll nail them for a few ounces :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i got nothing against doctors, i just think being a doctor shouldn't be hidden behind a wall of faggot bankers'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'faggot as in fuel for the fire maybe, since god's wrath is relevant to some religions archetypes'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'here, hand me that faggot. I want to light a joint :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that was one of the memorable words in The Return of the Native :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they replaced the word negro with slave in all mark twain novels because it was too racist otherwise, freedom of speech and history and all'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'soon enough wood will go extinct because it resembles what the word faggot originally meant'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'in context in the novel tom sawyer or huckleberry finn weren't being derogatory to the black man in the story, which the word slave automatically implies'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'washington seen it the not seeing it way though'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'of all the things they could whine and bitch about, '
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that just pisses me off'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now they make mark twain look like a racist'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he wrote his story unpatented unintellectual unproperty of his imagination for people to read and they fuck it up'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'now perceptions get distorted because slave means what most people are to most people'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they call eachother nigger in almost every rap video they play to the adolescent MTV audience'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they glorify selling crystal meth to buy porsche automobiles and whores'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'and they're concerned about the word negro in a novel written in the 1800's'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's what kind of retards shape your society, i'd be concerned if i was you'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'Jay-Z has over 500 million dollars and possibly some shady human-trafficking operations in south africa, he's glorified by the american media like he's walking pharoah tuthmose and his steps are golden, but his music lyrics detail selling drugs on the streets of new york city, getting children hooked on drugs and rolling in the proceeds'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they play his music to criminal's having their recreational hours in the lounge at school'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'i watched it at a prison i spent some time in, how all the gangsters huddle around the television set and absorb the inspirational video, what they'll do when they get out'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'mexico's the only government on the american side of the world that wants to filter american media, venezuela has most of their media outlets murdered and replaced with what theirs wants said, whether it's who to kill or what to think or whatever, the criminal element's there though, cuba media, china media'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'korean media'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'all are mind control'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'even if you don't watch television, your neighbour does, his attitude is shaped around memories of it from time to time, tendencies he adopts either aware or unaware'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'how about public schools or social gatherings, what's the norm at work?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'there's alot of seeds that the media sown in that all'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'that's why hitler and stalin liked them so much, and why it's stupid to think they don't do the same today'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'look at video games, how innocent they are and funny time, lets play mario and luigi, then comes the normalization of mortal kombat and unreal tournament, perversion - taboo leisure suit larry - oo, now you can whore whoever you want on games commonly played by children, like grand theft auto'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'sell some drugs etc, all kinds of fantasy'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'blow up the terrorist or be the terrorist, they include it all in their 'art''
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'blind ass world, they don't even care about avoiding future holocausts and similar crimes'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they mourn the mistake mortified instead of perpetrating a solution from repeating itself'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'cause they're just lazy kitties licking their cream'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some shit like that, i see a cult at work or satan or some shit, cause you can't live with yourself like that, ask any post traumatic ear-necklace wearing soldier what they think about living with murdering people'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if you don't have some higher/lower being hiding you from judgement'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'some say that's what satan provides his servants, a shield from the flames of purgatory until they're of no use to him'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'it's not even considered that the majority of holocaust victims were the poor being eradicated by the rich, but one mentioning is that they were who hitler said cause them to be poor and soviet spies were in the dauchau concentration camp, at the time joseph stalin was starving 10 million USSR civilians to death unneccessarily and moving into poland, murdering 10 million more civilians on his way'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'but i can see that the poor are always the first to go, like your cost of housing and cost of living'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the living allowance given to a member of american congress inflates with the cost of living, minimum wage, job availability (along with the population fluctuation) and social assistance for the unemployed (where's the jobs?) don't though'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'they starve people out of neighbourhoods and normalize scorning them, cause they don't have a job, cause there is none'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'concentration camps had jews they say who would be the foremen of the other jews and to preserve their own skin would work them all to death, it's similar'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'oh look machines doing all the work, and not even here but in china'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'geez what's my kids future, you know employers and universities privatize whether they get hired or not'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'you can work your honest ass off sacrifice whatever you are to the devil and your kids will still be unemployed'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'if einstein was a poor man the nuclear bomb would never have been invented, too bad i guess'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'he's rich king of israel though, lots of time to do the think think, he doesn't even have to cause he's so rich it's a hobby'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortbus Stutz: 'nuclear bomb would have been invented with or without Einstein...'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'einstein refused to build the bomb, he discovered the pieces they used to make one'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'without his revelation they would still be blind '
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'I thought it was the implications of his research, rather than something he explicitly determined.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GentooX: 'its only a matter of time'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'A run-away reaction, done in a controlled manner.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'name one profession on earth that has the best man for the job doing itself'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'lenin was big into that, firmly resisted by the cia'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortbus Stutz: 'Aardwolf head Imm?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Shortbus Stutz grins evilly.
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Imp Druzil: 'the homepage states fairness and stringent adherence to the rules with 0 tolerance for cheating, i guess it's a matter of individual judgement what you think of what you see'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'with due respect to Einstein, I believe that his refusal to work for Hitler was more driven by his ethnicity than his ethics, though I am not ruling out that they also played a big part.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Heisenberg had no uncertainty concerning working for Hitler :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'einstein was in the US by the time hitler came to power...'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'going back to Germany after Hitler came to power would have been a bad idea, so...'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and, it wasn't hitler he refused to work on the bomb for'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though I think Hitler hadn't reached yet the level of insanity that would have caused him to put Einstein in a concentration camp.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I realize that.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'good, then my statement fulfilled its intent'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ><(((*> Salvanas: 'Wait, there's an actual rational debate happening on here? Heavens above...'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're mom!'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): ><(((*> Salvanas killed the debate.
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ><(((*> Salvanas: 'Also...'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): ><(((*> Salvanas FISHY!!!!!
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'hello, lady :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'anyway, I have to get fooded :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, just read this in a Youtube comment...sound like anyone we know? "Good on the guy for attacking these TREASONOUS frauds working as? revenue collectors for the I.M.F over the bankruptee U.S. Corporation whilst all going back to the City of London (New Jerusalem) and their bosses at The Worshipful Company of Mercers and The Worshipful Company of Security Professionals. Beware the slave system of the Cestui Que Vie and lock up frauds in clown outfits claiming to be police when they DO NOT uphold Lawful Common Law, instead holding UCC/Admiralty."'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'awww he's not on at the moment to defend himself'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Are you trying to impersonate Druzil?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'You guys be nice to him.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's right, the abominable druzil is ashamed of his pointing out of corruption at every avenue of your existance, and he's not the only one who doesn't see what's there, we are legion, we are many'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and we shop at walmart!'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dirkdiggler: 'somebody tell Druzil that I'm with his mother right now...he still has me on his ignore list *grin'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is your name name the newfie?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'tell him yourself.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I wonder why he put you on the list...'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'true satanists must be proud of their evil corrupt rotten heritage and stand tall in the face of adversity that is the rule of their master lord'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'practice openly that which is hidden in darkness'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wtf is a true satanist? Don't you need Satan to exist for the cult to be "true"?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'that's true of any religion'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's all a matter of unintelligent design'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'and if Satan doesn't exist, who the hell is God working against?  Man?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so, the phrase "true satanist" indicates an assumption of facts not in evidence.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'actually, one translation of the revelation of the bible is just that, god destroying life on earth'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'God, Satan.... As LeGuin says "Light is the left hand of Darkness" :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in that gnostic dead sea text version satan makes the skin that adam and eve wear (human bodies) and traps the souls of fallen angels in those meats'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'bah, had to update my file: !Chemosh used to be Druzil used to be Necroshine used to be Druzil used to be Kheftiu'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's gross but they got a neat story version'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not unless they are multiplaying :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Lucifer was the ship's first officer who led a mutiny and got his ass kicked :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'worshipping their own destruction lake of fire glorified walking on glass burning devils in fiery torment forever (harrowing torment in islam) fields of gehenna, waste disposal and the combustion of the world all around you'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but god was not strong enough to destroy the mutineers, just to evict them from the ship :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the people are waters and the men are flames are two verses, moses parted the sea, a temple divided against itself how shall it stand, to the flaming mount which cannot be touched, and the g-smut'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'another limit on God's infinite powers...'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'oil energy worship nuclear tunafish'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'horse dog food factories'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'automated gps tractor navigation systems'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'god then took off and is now just arriving At Bernard's world :>>>>>'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'securing the oil 8000 miles away'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it all makes no sense except to the imagination and whoever made it happen'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Bernard's is 11 ly, iirc.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the stories are perfectly fine, it's one's own vanity that makes one misunderstand them.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cults are definitely epossiblle though'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in high places - even says in the bible, we deal not with limitations of the flesh but principalities of darkness and spiritual wickedness in high places'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos peers intently at Chemosh.
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'self-doubt only works as far as bringing parishoners to mass to discover what they did wrong and how to remedy the hell that they fear might be real'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'woah Dakkar. Isn't "another limit on God's infinite powers..." an oxymoron?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'if you ever want to figure out religion, here's a simple rhyme: I am God and He is me, there there's Satan, he is we.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I am just thinking that one with infinite powers has no limit, by definition.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's a neat saying, the character ouroboros in the movie the darkness can go along with it for contextual analyses'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'everything has a limit, even if self-imposed.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can't have limited infinite powers, that's nonsense :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't think the same being who made some good things possible is responsible for removing those things from this world'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so the devil seems like a good hex to the assumption of your ego being the false accusations predominant in mythology'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'in the Bible, God says something to Noah after the big flood.  Something about never again doing what he did.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'God said "Noah, Noah, hurry up and shut the doah"\'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'makes the End Times rather interesting, I think, since he's basically going to break that covenant.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The End Times? You mean when the universe grinds to a halt due to entropy?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'no, per the Book of Revelations.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they say tobacco kills people, people kill people though, and while many think they commit suicide by smoking while still being near helplessly addicted to the substances, the substances that keep them coming back were added to that plant by men, and that dosage was more than doubled in the year 2005'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and "Times" makes no sense, the universe will only halt once per per cycle :) So it is "End Time".'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'at the behest of the japanese government study passed to american congress and passed to the public within 5 months'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no episode of W5 or CNN special interview with what it is about cigarettes that makes them deadly'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I had better revelations than John did when I dropped 2 double tab once...'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is it just the plant itself killing people or what people did to the plant?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a double tab*'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'smoke, but what?  i thought it was tobacco'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'radioactive lead 235, formaldehyde, cyanide, nicotine, etc all doubled since 2005'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I am personally fond of 235Pb :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'they put weed in cigarettes.  It's what brought down the Dukakis campaign.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i knew i smelt something similar to cannabis in it, good observation'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe it actually has some weight to it, but who knows what the purpose of all them lethal chemicals are'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they don't put enough weed in it, though...'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the government doesn't seem to provide a if you drink the water be prepared for the cyanide punishment clause in their constitutions'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'by the time you get high you have lung cancer :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'well, you're not supposed to inhale!'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'oh yeah, death big mean death, scary stuff, gets even all the killers eventually'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'what did you think Bill meant when he said that?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not an atheist so i'm optimistic that vengeance will be met in the end'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'the only thing Bill inhaled was the sweet tuna smell of a fine cigar.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that was one of the things that push me away from religion. The god seemed to be someone I wouldn't want to have as a friend. The type of guy that would surely do hard time upstate.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'tobacco and water what the hell, that's absolutely different.. both are natural occurring substances with chemicals added'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'one just happened to have its dosages doubled in 2005'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how many people responsible for manslaughter of , each year the equivalent of a small city dies from tobacco use , people since 2005, maybe 1975'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'closer to 1951'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dokkar: 'we have more than enough illegal immigrants to flagrantly waste a few.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they got quite the lung track record.. 500,000 * 62 = 31 million casualties of chemical warfare'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'god bless american surgeon generals and their wise japanese advistory panel'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'did you know the suicide rate of south korea is 40 per day?  post-japanese stress disorder or something apparently'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15893772 with their superior numbers, they have mastered the technology needed in mastery of detecting homicidal and suicidal behaviour, even for use on exported automated gun turret systems'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The South Korean defence company DoDAAM is also developing robotic gun turrets for export which can be programmed to open fire automatically.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'unemployment rates are profit margin's, never forget'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fatzy Madcatz: 'It's not 40 per day.  It's about 15,000 a day.  And it's not even the highest.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'war is big business, without war all them soldiers would be unemployed, then where would we be?  recession of recessions'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'bbc claimed it is'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '15,000 ?  that's a little high to not be murder statistics in a genocidal state'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fatzy Madcatz: 'sorry, meant per year'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fatzy Madcatz: 'So yeah, you're about right'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fatzy Madcatz: 'US is close to 100 a day, though.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'america had it's highest suicide rate in 40 years in the year 2010'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lots of military personelle and others i guess, war is solving problems everywhere'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'built-in population control. First you get rid of the weak. Then during "peactime" they mate like rabbits :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not to mention the remaking of the gene pool via rapes and other fun games.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '500 million dollars is maybe the exact amount of a twitter donation, similar to a 2 billion dollar donation on a earlier date - lots of money for a computer program isnt' it?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '500 million you could probably make 1000 miles of fibre optic cable and hire the company to plop it in the ground'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'fiber optic should be biodegradable :>>>'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'neat idea, sort of like twine used to be when it was made out of hemp'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, sure, but the information would also be "biodegradable" :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'knowledge of temporary things is degradeable, some things seem to last forever though, do you believe everything they write about 75 years ago?  i don't'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'requires faith either way and imaginations will always compare the past to the present and come to their own conclusions'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think the world was probably smarter when most knowledge was learned through books instead of computers'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'today it's smarter within the invention of people, books anybody could have invented, this here is privatized stuff'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'one person does 1 trade and that's all they do all day every day of their lives, they're not diverse, being diverse is a recreational activity instead of a requirement for survival, every day is a punishment repeated cycle of the day before with new annoyances to add to the buoyancy of living death'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'watch the show last train home from china for instance, over 125 million migrant workers there'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how the night club sticks out, the rebellious choices, the boredom, and the simple life that they had on that farm'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'full of diversity and respect'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some people like some kind of robot world life, i learned to hate it after i lost the other one'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'most people function under minimal cortical activity :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'video games are only fun until you learn what kind of people invent them, the type of people not many people would enjoy the company of'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'things like unreal tournament etc, maybe not all games, some programming languages, microchips and computer companies'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'banks all go through them, money's what you live for, they own your owners of your life'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the purposes behind some of the games are purely scientific or statistic in nature, even if the artistic developers arent' informed, there's over 17 terrabytes of data collected on the game everquests user interactions'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people thought they're just playing some fun mario cart kind of game, while their brains are being dissected en masse and their tendencies compared and manipulated through these mechanisms'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the government doesn't prevent that from happening, which is their job'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in 2007-2011 the hollywood gamers released a game where you can be a taliban or a allied forces hero and seeing who will become what, probably recording it on their permanent civilian records '
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'There was also an Alien vs. Predators online game released.  Guess they also know which the players will choose when the time comes.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some kind of video game huh, like what's the difference between one organized criminal organization selling your children themselves, drugs, alcohol, extortion, etc and using those proceeds to invest in legitimate businesses, whether or not they swear allegiance to a jehovah - and whatever terrorist you see across the ocean peddling opium, which is more valuable than cotton, whose stocks exxon's shareholders happen to own'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's right i seen it on a pretty low-key documentary video, afghani farmers choosing to grow opium or marijuana, because cotton couldn't afford to buy bread for their family'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and who owns those stocks - is the owners of exxon, they made cotton worthless'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and if you pay attention to the media now you see that big heilings of satan are going towards a german woman who made silk cotton threads from bovine milk'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'instead of mutating milk into clothing lady gaga outfits they could have raised the value of actual cotton and manufactured more clean clothing (mixing threadings of garments is abominable in the bible)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'while at the same time providing a legal means by which somebody who doesn't want to deal in drugs could feed his family'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'hey, I like Lady Gaga :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wasn't saying nothing bad about them, everybody knows they go around wearing meat-dresses though, i don't think there's a single media station that doesn't mention it'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'alien versus predator is alot different than taliban versus america in a ea sports video game'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even if you can see some distant metaphors'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I can appreciate the move toward non-natural clothing. But, we would not even consider clothing now had we not started wearing animal skins a few hundred thousand years ago...'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'predator using human's as breeding grounds for their opponent inferior species hatching for the hunt etc, i'd probably choose to be a human who thinks they're both full of shit'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so where's the similarity'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'trying to make it sound outrageous like i'm unreasonable in pointing it out, what's it about?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'job shortages, more whores for hire, and where do men go to pay for them?  to afghanistan of course'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it all makes sense, god is a misguided phallus'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wait! Are you saying god is a dick?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe he is to some people, who knows?  '
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm trying to see the outrageous similarity between alien versus predator and the war on terror in ea sports'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I think it all depends on the god :) Bacchus seemed to be a party animal :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'My point was that it's just as preposterous that the government cares which one you choose.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so far i found that women are whored and theres always work for whores but men not so much, they have to go and invade the inferior species before coming home to plant their seeds, which hatch into the aliens?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or maybe it was the milkman'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe the government doesn't care, but explain some of the statistics and studies science does'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'take a trip down Santa Monica Bl. some day :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the marketing section of sciencedaily.com is rediculous enough'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the Hollywood part of the street :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'of course they're monitoring everything they can about everybody in their world, that's only limited by peoples fear that they have more power than they do (like the matrix trilogy) and the actual control they do currently have'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people aren't more than lab rats (otherwise tobacco wouldn't be spiked with murder and blamed on tobacco)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'acne cream gave people liver disease in the 1960's, now they release 100 new formula's that they say are clinically tested every 5 years'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'do you realize that if you have a mobile phone, they know everything you use it for :) If you ever lose any of your text messages, just ask the phone company to restore them. Or to read them aloud to you :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'somehow people threw caution to the wind, not even mentioning the past as they accept the future'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if that's unintelligent then i hate to see what's smart'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sure, and the camera's placed into playstation's are there for your gaming pleasure and not recoinassance missions on a civilian scale'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like the duck hunt guns couldn't tell where you fired it, it was impossible to play dancing games interactively without your image available to the monitor'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and adobe flash player had a setting on by default, through maybe 85 million web browsers + which allowed any remote website to remotely view your web camera'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'most laptops have one on the top of the screen or thereabouts so you can just about imagine what kind of things they had that setting on for'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'hmm that's a stretch. Not that it's not feasible, just "why bother?". '
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's off by default now, but the setting's still there'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'now anybody with a playstation has a remotely accessible video camera inside their house'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe the communications are limited to the internet, but i did hear about protocols using electricity alone'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in 2015. Purchasers of television sets will be asked to optionally since a model release so that their private moments, as captured by the tv set, can be shown over the internet :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then there's radar'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'optionally sign*'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess you'd have to build your own generator to obscure the voltages sucked in from the outside to obscure that possibility'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'don't put a tv set in the bathroom!'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'especially those with olfactory enhancements...'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'almost none of the chips in your computer are built by hand either, only the bigger pieces are'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the computers that assemble them are guarded by the military of a foreign government, which makes them all the weirder'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why would they be built by hand?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'chemosh are you druzil's twin brother or something?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and dell somehow can't afford with all their corporate contracts to hire national residents of your nation to man their help desks'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's also true for washing machines, cars, and hair dryers...'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and hare dryers, too :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'are those for drying rabbits?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yep :) they build up a sweat while mating :>'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Go ask Alice, I think she'll know...'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in 1985 or 1986 america had a computer company that had security in mind, not even exclusive military, their computers had dynamic byte sizes, dynamic word sizes, dynamic register sizes and amounts, dynamic operating system opcodes on processor modes, and within that operating system, dynamic opcodes per application programming level within the system'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'that rabbit was late, maybe if he would've used a hare dryer he wouldn't have had to wait so long to air dry'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and if those would have survived i don't think microsoft would have made it very far or ibm, because espionage is made almost impossible in those computers'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and he died...'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'finding some flaws from the outside requires alot of guesswork doesn't it?  almost too much'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Chemosh, that's an impossible machine for our level of technology.'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not in 1985 it wasn't'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'chemosh, dude, it's called haloperidol, take some'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'it'll stop the voices'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the company was dismantled because they were just too real'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'only frauds survive in the business model, especially for critical infrastructures poisoned on accepting them into their marketability'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they was around as the victor and weren't usurped by crooks over time like everything else, then there'd be no need of an antimalware industry for instance, and the inventor of nvidia's current ageia physx technology claimed that a simple pci card was sufficient for all calculations required for a well programmed game'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that of course turned into a double decker double card setup rig with 1 whole card wastged on unneccessary calculations'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nearly everythign to do with these is outrageously expounded upon to grease like a dead cow, which was a hacking group in the 90's'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'wait... is chemosh just druzil renamed?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'anybody can learn c or circuit design if they have to or want to, but they closed the doors to optimization along with the economy'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Can we make fun of you for taking this long to figure that out?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'wow that took me way too long to figure out....'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Leinei blinks innocently at Bertilak.
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Bertilak slaps himself on the head and yells, "DOH!"
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'make all the fun you want, right is right'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you can cide with the enemy all you want, like it's written the god of the world is satan and you know not what you worship, whatever you find acceptable and i find detrimental must be a retardation to not carry into death'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i only pick shit at systems that govern millions of peoples lives as a whole'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, actually you are wrong, Chemosh is not Druzil renamed :)'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're like bullies picking on retards, which you might think is a cool thing to be, or maybe like a priest picking on a supplicant'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or a judge on a negro'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whatever you like, they're the allegory to that concept that i hate, on a large scale'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'qu'est que c'est "negro"?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if the taliban ceased to exist today and american media was freely operating the minds of afghanistan civilians, how much better would the world be compared to if they never made war on iraq in 1981?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'according to this movie i watched from hollywood they even armed that group of people against the soviet union in 1987-1991'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'alien versus predator again..'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that'll never happen though, that's the part that nobody seems to get'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'world war 2 lasted from 1938-1945 or so, that's 7 years'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this is now 11 years'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's almost like a gas station'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'prove it'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't mind being proved wrong'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's also possible all the death and stuff you see on television and history is lies, as mention in the bible is 'there shall be rumours of war' and 'mass destruction''
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so maybe the world's jus ta big satanic cult playing revelation games'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in that case then it's me versus everybody'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sort of like your god is yourself and we are satan'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but be not trouble, for all these things were foreordained...'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'jesus on his ship having a nap, pyrrho's syllogy'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whatever it is, i'm not letting the root of it rule me in death'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if i have to be god in my imaginary afterlife and imagine that existance exists then that's a fair tradeoff to serving my enemy'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'are you druzil'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the legend of heru behutet and the winged disk, the sun ship of ra set on course, the people are waters once again, moses divides the sea and leads astray the masses, the angel comes to jerusalem once a year to move the waters and heal the first one in'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Bertilak is agreeing with that Redryn person again...
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'covering up the majestic masonry in the illumination of the adept and the priests under the table of bel and the dragon'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'I think the tumor in his brain must've grown by a couple of inches lately.  He's even more incoherent than usual'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whatever death is, you're a space between a thought of is and not, maybe that murmur in your heart will teach you a lesson about which is which'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'either that or if he uses some script to generate this stuff, it has gone haywire'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's a sanitizing thought to remember that all of your enemies are only a pulse away from death, which is why atheism is so popular, spiritual warfare requires more strenuous measures because you don't know nothing about it according to your atheist religion'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you can be both too maybe, don't want to be off guard do you'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'loaf?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i should have been dead about 15 years ago if some tumour was gonna kill me, maybe i'm just genetically superior to your fear'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't empathize with your fear of death, it's momentary illusion and mostly homicide by the government which i pointed out'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'yeah I'm beginning to wonder more and more if this stuff he says is all just script generated'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's almost impossible to live a more unhealthy lifestyle than me, maybe it is impossible'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's pretty close though, and for that time frame, i don't think very many people would make it'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i fully comprehend the reasons behind several people committing suicide, they went ahead and did it but i had similar experiences to their own, some of them possibly alot worse too'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think you'd be well off to go to school with death too and learn a little bit about psychological torture'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'most of you and your friends just repeat the same thing over again, coming up with nothing original or thought provoking, introvertive projectile psychometry'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you think you can think like me and thus encompass the realm of my existance within your own and therefore your imaginations are my reactions to your stimulus, or so your mentor was'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe he was lao tzu or somebody'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whatever it is it's not beating me very far as far as your mental versus mine goes, and you still haven't been the lawyer for your government that puts double dosages of cyanide into my tobacco'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm so retarded i point out to somebody that they're a murderer while they murder me'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you ever seen the movie chopper?  had a sick scene in it where his friend stabs him but he gives him a hug'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whatcha do that for bro?  ah, the pain is nothing, come here, i want to understand is all'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if i was to take up arms against the killer then how do i know which of them are in on the secret, and which are just pawns in their game'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and of course to do so would be a terrorist thing'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe i could join protests instead, like they're ever heeded when not greek'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'dear government, i noticed that you follow int he footsteps of the flavour aid of a cult leader from the 1970's'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think that double dosages of kamikazee cyanide science reminds me of joseph mendele'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is it possible that it's not merely tobacco that is killing people?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'well it's rediculous isn't it?  do you think they'd answer me?'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe you have a better strategy'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'don't smoke, smoking kills'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ok, but besides that, was it the tobacco or what they put on it'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'during prohibition some say that the new york police department seized shipments of smuggled booze and spiked them with poison to dissuade people from buying it'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they died cause they was alcholoics'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'those poor fools, daring to avoid the wrath of don't drink, drinking kills'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people who drink sometimes kill, drinking itself rarely does unless it's like pure alcohol,'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they put some cyanide in to it though, then they're in business, the surgeon general was righteous all along'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'actually a person with the surname of noris like chuck noris was mentioned so maybe it's all fictional, or maybe it's how come he's so popular'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'killing people for the government or something gets you social status in the future of your great nation'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and water?  in mexican and argentinan gold mines they mix part for part of water with cyanide and drain it back into the local water table which the citizens have no say against the foreign investors local politicians and law enforcement'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so drinking water sometimes results in off-hand flavour aid cult killer homicide investment opportunities, and buying wedding rings doesn't make much of a gift in that regard'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'at least it's not strictnine, that's some nasty stuff to die to, get all cramped up and stuff'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'give you nightmares'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but it's basically the same stuff, i dont' believe gold's really that important or oil'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you live in hawaii it doesn't get very cold very often so how much gas do you gotta suck? you live in canada or russia or china it gets a bit colder though,s o you have some reason to require some heat'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'society could be or could have been or was worked away from the natural evolution into adapting those sustainable living conditions'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and wedding rings, maybe they can do some laboratory analyses on every one and trace the origin of the gold to within 30 metres and then study how many metric tonnes of human corpses were sacrificed in their procuration and advertise the products with required bodycounts on the entrance to every chapel'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if i was a government dictator i'd be into that kind of stuff, why kill them with spiked cigarettes?  just point out reality and let them see just how ugly the world they think they live in is'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'be good advertising for shell oil company or something to have portraits of mortared children decorating all of their price signs'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they was a casualty of how you drove to the station'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'every drop of fuel going through your automobile was sent to you from saudi arabia and not alaska and canada or south america'
T3/r6/2012-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'heil progress, we see no alternatives'