T3/r7/2012-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even the BSBC had to admin on the news today that the rebels were involved in summary executions today'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Arkansas police claim a black 21 yearold shot himself in the head while detained in a police car... after being patted down... then handcuffed (hands behind his back). Somehow, he supposedly fished out a hidden gun they'd missed and shot himself IN THE RIGHT TEMPLE... despite being left handed. Yeah...'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The two officers at the scene were placed on administrative leave. No word of an pending investigation. United States of America - the Land of the free... as long as you're not white.'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I meant "You're not non-white".'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the systematic discrimination seems largely to be against whites, though'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Care to provide examples?'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'depends on where you are. there's discrimination all over the place and there's groups of people sticking together when they really shouldn't all over the place.'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'affirmative action'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'police covering up for bad cops, doctors covering up for bad doctors, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Affirmative action is not an anti-white practice. It's "anti" anyone who usually has an easier time getting X. If it's a field dominated with men, women benefit from affirmative action. If it's a field dominated by women, men get the benefit, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'how many years of affirmative action will make up for hundreds of years of slavery?'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Nevertheless, since "white" is the majority,  it is systematic discrimination against whites in employment, education and such'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: '17'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I have a lot less of a problem with affirmative action when it's socioeconomic class based rather than gender or race based.'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's not really about "making up for slavery". It's about giving people who don't really have the best chances in life a better chance of making something of themselves.'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Only a small number of spots are reserved for affirmative action, Tinada.'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I can also see affirmative action used as a tie-breaker, but I really, really don't like policies such as 'you need a 400 average on the SAT if you're black, a 550 if you're white, and a 650 if you're asian''
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'average of what?'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sections.'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The world needs a pwipe'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ranrr rapidly nods twice at Vakieh, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Pretty sure that's not how it works, Majic. Most of the time, affirmative action IS used as a tie-breaker.'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'aka plague'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'It depends on the place, Yuna, and that's one reason people get their hackles up.'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Nah, plague'll just hit the poor'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Needs a good old fashioned military takeover, killing all of the ruling parties, before eliminating all banked funds and owned resources, before the junta self destructs leaving the educated people in control of the military tech'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'From what I've seen, in university admissions, the difference is in the range of 1-2 standard deviations, which is a bit more than a tie-breaker'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'funny how people always assume they'll be the ones left on top after the takeover :p'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada peers intently at Dispel Majic.
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm doing the takeover, so that's ok'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic sniggers at Tinada's actions.  Maybe you should REPORT the idjit.
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you sure it wasn't superego?'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'mis :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'blink'
T3/r7/2012-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's getting bad out there, some teenager got arrested for sending a "malicious" tweet'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Mitt Romney in response to Harry Reid claiming he's heard people whisper about Romney not paying taxes for 10 years: "It's time to put up or shut up. [Reveal your sources!]". Instead of... you know... just releasing his damn tax returns? Great logic there.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like Kraken and Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '10 week wait just to be seen by a consultant. Socialist healthcare in action'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, with the amount of people and the slowness of health care, maybe they could have lowered the cost of medical training in various jobs and just required their understanding to do it, maybe there's more than money separating professionals from reality though'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i could get a refund, i'd go private'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people don't realise how shit it is'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a huge beurocratic money pit'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nothing wrong with having health care accessible to all though, there's still the preferential treatment problems, but some doctors would make a billionairre with a broken toe wait while he attends to a bigger problem in a poor person'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not the issue'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you don't want to wait, why not pay for it? If you can't pay for it, do you think you could have gotten that healthcare otherwise?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can't afford to pay for the healtcare twice over, no'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the problem is the size of the organisation and the way that it is conducted. A vast amount of time and money is spent on 'management''
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you end up with crazy situations like being made to wait 8 weeks before you can even get a date for an appointment, because they've been given a target "waiting time" to meet, and it doesn't start til you're given an appointment'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I don't know how it works where you are, but for stuff like dental services back home, you can pay extra for an earlier appointment...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you also get stupid stuff like "you have to visit dr x for check y". not because you need it, but because the surgery gets paid for it'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'e-h 5'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't here'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, having people to manage the chaos that it's built on is neccessary though, then there's making sure people do their jobs correct and all that, people see the value in that - often though there is people getting excessive payment for minimal effort in just about any job on earth'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it's still better than in the us for most people... you should see how much it costs here...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home the cost of trement is usually only a fraction what it is here'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'treatment'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, it's only going to get worse in the US thanks to Obamacare'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the canadian wheat board being dismantled against 60+ % of the plebiscite (and against the government legislation for the wheat board) they say gets rid of the monopoly, but actually if a grain elevator got more money for grain from a farmer than initially paid, the farmer would receive a cheque in the mail for it'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it does say something that the worst "socialised" systems (cough UK cough) still outperform the US...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think the wheat board maintained food security for canadians to some degree'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on your metric, Sonshi, USA has some of the best healthcare in the world..... if you have the money to pay for it'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'might have been some crooks but i don't imagine they'll be suffering by the decision'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it has the best healthcare in the world... for a few disciplines... and for a few percent.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not helped by successive governments dead set on poisoning their populace'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'by that metric, saudi arabia is great, 'cos the princes get to summon the top experts in most fields to treat their problems'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'arab royalty travels to the west for healthcare'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the poisoners and the privatisers are on the same side though... and sometimes the same people'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'iirc US healthcare was rated not to be among the best in the world, although I cannot remember where I read that... it was the most expensive tho'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'privatisers should not be confused with monopolisers'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the life expectancy and other stats say it all, I think'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'now there'll be private businesses who will strain farmers out of money without democratic scrutiny (of the farmers that compose the wheat board) and not sending them those cheques as they re-route their sales to add to their own real-criminal bank accounts and stuff'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i think'll happen, and through them small farmers will disappear faster'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cant be having farmers outside of government/UN control now, Chemosh, can we?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hardly fits the UN/Communist Agenda 21 manifesto'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'next thing you know, people will start being... self reliant'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they won't be either way, it's like swatting at petro-canada for being a communist government monopoly while allowing russia and china's actual communist companies to buy all of your oilfields'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i heard people who farmed their whole lives saying that the canadian wheat board was useful and not the crook they made it out to be'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'worrying about the communist threat today is like worrying about the jewish threat in 1938. It doesn't exist, and you're ignoring the elephant in the room.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and they say over 60% of independent farmers voted in favour of keeping the wheat board, but were ignored by harper government, which also ignored a constitutional law or legislation that that supercedes any government decision on it'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it's not communism it's something strange'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if capitalism results in everything being in control of the dictator with the money, and communism already has the money in the bank, then i don't see much of an inevitable difference'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is little difference between communism and monopolism'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can't even begin to save yourself if you don't even know who your opponents are...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty obvious who the enemy is'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'follow the money'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so says someone yammering on about the communists and socialists...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'never read history?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'bad ass un and stuff oroganizations preventing you selling grain to whoever - so like a un sanction on iran or syria or north korea, you're a new farmer free of the evil wheat board monopoly, which limited your freedom to sell to whoever - but if you try to ship some grain to those places, did anything really change?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they might pay top dollar for it'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'socialism/communism/collectivism always end up with the money/power in the hands of the few. it's really no different to what we have now'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it wasn't all bad though, they organized the chaos democratically and buyers were evaluated democratically - and if the elevator that bought your grain made any extra from it, then they would send it in the mail to you'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my great grandfather's generation would be spinning in their graves if they were to see the way the world was headed'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'millions of his generations died delivering us from tyranny'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'except you're fighting the wrong guys...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you'll find you're not correct'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at least they were fighting the right guys...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, and they let a few of them go... and that's who's caused what we have now'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'newflash: socialists and crony capitalists tend to be different people'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err, no, they don't'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have a unreasonably "pure" and idealistic idea of what constitutes socialism and so on. Reality is a little more complicated'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'socialists want to distribute the wealth generally... sometimes too much. Plutocrats want the wealth to be concentrated.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take the "socialist" side of UK politics, outwardly socialist, but in reality, increase government spending hugely.... on giving huge contracts to a few private businesses, essentially a form of corporate welfare'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obamacare, socialist healthcare? No, just creating immense profits for a select few health insurance companies'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Greece's socialists did well. Their entire country is now a slave to global banks'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as is Spain's'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and Portugals'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'm not too familiar with UK politics, but if they were really socialists, they'd be raising taxes on the rich and cutting them for the poor...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're being idealistic again'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'reality is it's all the same'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tax issues aside, i'm more worried about the chewing up of freedom of speech and privacy atm'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'those who don't aren't real socialists, in the same sense that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is not democratic, not about the people, and not really a republic.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good news!'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'female shop owner, 65, fends off FIVE armed robbers by pulling a gun on them'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home: armed robbers only armed with knives, when they happen at all.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, well the public are conditioned in the UK to be victims'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and there's viterra hiring people in india to keep the books on grain sales, outsourcing a form of employment cause it's cheaper over there, trusted to manage the people who advise farmers where to sell grain to in the future, to not outsource the proceeds like they outsourced the jobs'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just doesn't look good - like people who don't think at all are managing the future'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I think we have one of the lowest ratios of civilians who own guns to civilians who can use guns anywhere...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'quite funny, really...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lets not go there'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's been done to death'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Who are "we", Sonshi?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'singapore'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'most adult males know how to use at least a rifle...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'd think the countries where it is illegal for private citizens to own firearms except maybe for hunting beat you.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but almost no one has a gun outside of official duties'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Like, say, the entirety of the Nordics and Japan.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like Mexico, Guatamala'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Chicago, New York'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we have fewer civilian guns than those countries, and more people who know how to use them, than in those countries, as a proportion of our population'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Really? As opposed to ZERO PERCENT?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'violent crime's biggest cause is poverty'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all other arguments regarding guns are largely irrelevent'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or at best, secondary'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Zero procent of the civilian population of Sweden owns handguns (except criminals who have bought them illegally). A VERY small percentage of Swedes own rifles and other firearms used for hunting, but those require special permits and training.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Singapore has even LESS than that?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'including criminals, we probably have you beat!'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, we have natural advantages...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm trying to get brits to shout at their MPs to bring down a Communications Bill getting ready to go through parliament'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'trouble is, Brits are a useless bunch of zombie government-dependant sheep'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Citizens in Singapore must obtain a license to lawfully possess firearms and/or ammunition; applicants must provide justification for the license, such as target shooting or self-defense. "'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's going to be really shit here when the collapse happens'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone will be out in the street bawling and wailing "How did the government let this happen to us?"'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How the FUCK can there be less civilians in Singapore with firearms than in Sweden when civilian possession of firearms is LEGAL in Singapore and ILlegal in Sweden?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i.e. of no use whatsoever'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'singapore has a tiny population'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it isn't legal...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sweden has 7 mil, singapore 5,1. And he was also speaking of on a per capita basis.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Citizens in Singapore must obtain a license to lawfully possess firearms and/or ammunition; applicants must provide justification for the license, such as target shooting or self-defense."'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK has more guncrime per firearm than the USA by more than 2 orders of magnitude'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the kind of gun fears people have is like m-16's and ak-47's shooting up a bus full of holiday goers in honduras for a gang-warfare statement, and there isn't very many of those in the world - and i don't think americans can go to a average gun shop and purchase an ak-47 or m-16 - it's all gotten illegally, and they're always finding new ways to streamline the process of securing the borders and cargo, which is where those kind of weapons would come from'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course the gangs of Mexico have ak47's, the FBI sold them to 'em'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if you don't count guns that you can't bring out of the range...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'prohibiting legal possession of a firearm in a world where guns are a reality doesn't stop the majority of people who will commit gun-crimes from getting the weapons they use, next they'll try to ban knives and stuff too'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What part of "self-defense" was too Japanese for you?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I was thinking more of guns that are "on the streets" in a sense'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'self defence is against the law in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In Singapore, you can apparently get a license for a gun for self-defense purposes. Which would, you know, presumably allow one to possess it outside of firing rangers.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Ranges*'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it's alright to require gun-owners have to keep their guns in a secure location, possibly locked - when not in use, but the problem doesn't seem to go away by punishing legitimate people'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'self-defence. Ha. I'd like to see you try to get a gun quoting that.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'criminals dont follow the law...that is what makes them criminal...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently, you can in Singapore.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's wrong with having a gun for self defence?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Just because it's on the law that you hypothetically could doesn't mean it will actually be permissible. '
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, Majic, but it probably means that more civilians in Singapore own guns than in Sweden, where it is ILLEGAL.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'as soon as he turned 18 they turned him in.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've noticed a lot of people of forums just churn out "talking points" fed to them by the white house'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess that's the point....'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just a shame they're not always true'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'guns are illegal unless you get a permit back home... which is pretty much never granted unless it's kept on a range'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Pretty much never" =/= "Never" =/= "Less Singaporean civilians own firearms (legally) than Swedes".'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the number of illegal guns in sweden is most probably far higher in sweden than the sum of civilian legal and illegal guns in singapore (not counting ranges)'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, I'm counting all civilian arms, not just the legal ones...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and in fact, there are far more legal arms in sweden too, it seems...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'The difference between a peasant and a citizen, is that the citizen is armed.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'since you can get a permit for hunting, target shooting, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home it's the other way around...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'because the ones who are armed are invariably doing some shitty job!'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2nd ammendment is not about hunting/target shooting'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so that's one obama peddled myth'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2nd ammendment was meant only for organised militia. Another myth'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh, actually, in reply to yuna, sweden actually has one of the highest rates of gun ownership in the world, from what I just dug up...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'legally, the thing about the militia doesn't affect the amendment, but the guys who wrote it probably left their reasoning there hoping that future generations would use their brains a little...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's also a reason why a way to amend constitutions was left...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on the contrary, if you look at the context in which it was written, i.e arming the citizens to fight british oppression, it's pretty obvious what was meant'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the 2nd ammendment give citizens a final method of protection against the imposition of tyranny of central government'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the legal precedents agree with that'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The 2nd amendment implies gun ownership should be universal so the people can form a militia against the British.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'with the relative ease of manufacturing small arms these days, and modern weaponry... the justification isn't quite there anymore'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'States are to the USA as countries are to the EU'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it's analogous to the citizens of EU being armed against the EU imposing tyranny on member states'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'these days it's only slightly more difficult for an unarmed population to revolt as opposed to an armed one'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't agreee'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's not like  a few hundred years ago when countries were poor and arms were precious'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's harder to put down an armed revolt'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'all you need to do is cough in the direction of certain countries and tons of arms will flow across the border'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'didn't this same convo happen a few days ago? :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh? who would the UK cough to? we're surrounded by enemies'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'peasants never seem to have guns when they are getting massacred'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i said it'd been done to death, abe'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'unlike back then, you can crank out small arms in your backyard with the right equipment at a high rate too...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know, i seen the kind of military equipment that exists and don't think civilians could do very much against a government'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'unless they're being armed by another government or something, like they do in the middle east now'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and the weapons that really matter when you're getting massacred are stuff like tanks and jets anyway'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have al-cia-da rebels in syria, just like they were in libya'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'funded and armed by the west'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then it's no longer even citizens is it?, no benefaction of control for the people who provided the weapons?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aren't our governments nice?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'whether you have rifles at the start isn't really going to affect the outcome much...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'tanks and jets are harder to use against individual targets, though...they're designed for one sovereign hitting another, not one hitting some of its people'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think in the event of a collapse it'd be wise to get off onto the continent'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if they're fighting for the survival of the regime, they tend to start the indiscriminate bombing...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'look at damascus and aleppo...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh look, you and your small arms pushed us out of the city? Well, let me introduce you to me old friends, Mr Artillery and Mr Tank. Oh, and Mr Jet too!'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why the saudi's are running anti-tank and anti-aircraft guns to the rebels'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'pretty much'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do you think Turkey helped them take the northern border crossing? to allow free transit of supplies'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the amount of small arms they had at the start in civilian hands has become irrelevant'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'problem we have here is 70 million people and enough local food production for 25 million'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He's 17. And almost 18. He feels like you're treating him like a preteen.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'enough non-imported electricty for 40 million'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'enough car-fuel for... 100k?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'two scenarios 1. You have foreign arms/defections? Civilian arms irrelevant 2. You don't have them? Good luck. It won't help.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, you just need to trade for it...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hope other countries don't become protectionist, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the event of collapse, the government will close the borders'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and turn off the power'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll turn off communications'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hope for french support!'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and restrict movement'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if france doesn't feel like it. Good luck to you.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'france'll likely be in the same boat'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most of the western world will'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when a couple of the big economies tank, it'll be game over'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'with the whole euro crisis, continental europe is in a bigger hole than the UK, yes'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll gain momentum, it's all a house of cards'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all they're doing at the moment is kicking the can down the road, but it will inevitably explode'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'this is what happens when you consistently do the exact opposite of what the experts recommend...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who are the experts?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the economists,etc. (who actually have a good track record AND a model that gives their predictions)'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'delong, krugman, kylie, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err. no'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"waitwaitwait maybe you should think through the whole euro thing!" "Bah, stupid academics, you're just jealous of our unity!"'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's only one guaranteed fact with economics and economists'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"waitwaitwait this austerity thing will cause massive unemployment and worsen the long term economic situation!" "But we're deep in debt, you silly academics!"'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are no experts'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if they have a model that consistently makes predictions with low errors...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'd call them experts'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'm seen them make predictions which keep getting fulfilled...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'inflation is lower than ever, unemployment is still high, interest rates are close to zero...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inflation is not low'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they predicted the housing bubble...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not difficult to predict something that was created by design'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '-i- predicted the housing bubble'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not an economist'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah that's true, all the uncertainty and stuff they give to human administration but how sure they are that they have nothing to do with pollution and pesky natural problems like that'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they had pretty good predictions of the impact of various policies too, like the bush tax cuts, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inflation is considerably higher than the measures suggest'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'effective inflation'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's incorrect. It may seem that way depending on what you consume'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'some prices rise and others fall'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't think of anything in the Uk that has fallen in cost in the last 5 years'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just because your consumption pattern doesn't fit the weightage assigned for the general economy doesn't mean that inflation is higher/lower than the official figures'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think you'll find it isn't me'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'electronics!'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they changed the way that inflation was measured a couple of decades ago'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah that's always funny, when the cinch the belt at a time of tribulation, and then keep on cinching it at times of plenty'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they'd still been using the original inflation measure, inflation would have been 7-15% for much of the last 20 years'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, consumption patterns change over time... can you imagine not including modern equipment in inflation measures?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what if inflation measures only included costs of caves, sticks, stones, etc. Wouldn't be a useful measure'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'especially when the tribulation is all a figment of their imagination, as is the case with money and human administratino - manmade'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inflation was artificially low thanks to China'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's set for an epic correction though'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'only because of eventual global warming...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if not for that, china could just keep cranking out more...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and with india coming on line...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh? global warming has nothing to do with... well, anything'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the natural disaster that will follow will likely produce a supply shock'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'global warming is just a boogie man to get people to pay more tax and limit their freedoms'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which will lead to inflation. But that's not the sort of inflation that affect the austerity/stimulus policy. Yet.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they say seattle and other coastal cities, along with several small islands are expected to disappear by 2100 under around a 20 foot sea level rise'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or wait.. miami it was'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'won't happen'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nasa said it on national geographic documentary, maybe they made it up though'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'do you suppose we are raising our land to 2.15m above the highest tide level for fun?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nasa also mix up kilometers and miles'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'all the evidence points to disaster...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If by "Mix up", you mean "Use both", yeah. All aeronautical vehicles use miles, I believe. Some use both.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i mean "mix up" as in, have a multi-million pound probe destroyed because of it'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bet NASA also said that Polar bears can't swim'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's what you get for clinging to the Imperial Bullshit System.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'climate change will happen. it's inevitable. has always happened'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not at this rate'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, except for events like metoer strike'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, but can you look at something like gulf of mexico oil spill or toxic waste lakes people were drinking from just 50 years ago and say humans have nothing to do with it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'meteor'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what kind of accountability or responsible people will be observing arctic drilling?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they'd maybe do nothing for oil spills that large'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you build stuff at or below sea level, or on flood plains, don't run around panicking and calling for global taxes, stealing land and imposing draconian restrictions because you were too stupid to figure it out'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not rocket science'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you take natural variation as noise, our signal is already far stronger than the noise'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mixed with that amount of ice, can be accumulatively destructive and contributing to sea level rises/wind patterns and stuff'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's not just coastal areas... Flooding is the least of our problems'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd be more worried about ecosystem damage than climate change'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pollution, non-renewable resources'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if there's a mass extinction, if the insects which pollinate some of our crops are affected, we'll be really screwed.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I don't want to spend my twilight years eating GM algae...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do something about it then'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, as economists tend to say, it's better to tax bad things than good things...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'replace some taxes with a tax on pollution/emissions'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'climate change scare was written in the 1880s by communits and has propogated since then'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a bad idea'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'siding with the corporations against the invisible communists again?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just pointing out that taxation doesn't work'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'taxation doesn't work?!'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'encourage the behaviour you DO want rather than penalise the behaviour you don't'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'corporations are more rational than people... they realise that there's no difference as far as incentives go'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it was more expensive to continue over 5 years to not upgrade your toxic waste generating facility to the proven alternatives which are made affordable, then maybe they'd make the alterations'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should probably outlaw gmo without long-term independant t3esting'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bullshit, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and taxing them rather than taxing everyone and rewarding good behaviour causes less problems and deadweight loss'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if that were true, Monsanto wouldn't be seeking immunity from future prosecution for any of their future products'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and Merck wouldn't have faked efficacy and safety studies'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on their medication'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and glaxo smithklyne wouldn't have got caught in a program of bribing doctors to overprescribe to raise profits'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'generally, taxation has historically worked very well to reduce incentives for activity...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't any more'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'globalisation is a problem, but it's out of the box now'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'especially when margins are low, because they tend to have to either go bankrupt or improve efficiency'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all i can tell you is where the problem -isn't-'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, back home we prefer to let other countries pollute themselves...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the problem is not Joe Public'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we just move into other industries'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"The problem that I see is that they want everything there way and not the majority's way." - Exactly why you should never leave the rights of a minority up to vote for the majority.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'I debate that politics suck.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'easy solution to that is to ensure that democracies are small enough that minorities can be catered for'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i.e, not a world government'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'By what, breaking up the government into mini-government on a neighbourhood-basis?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not on a neighbourhood basis'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'ugh.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Pretty much how the United States does it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK, would work fine at a county level. state level in the US'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Each State has quite a bit of power.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you want to be aiming for no more than a million people'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There's no other way to "ensure that democracies are small enough that minorities can be catered for".'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'maybe the blue states and red states should split!'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think they should, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Well, my state is purplish, so...'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Well, more like red with three blue polkadots'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'is it industrial? Does it pay more to the feds than it receives?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'democracies work better when they're a manageable size, and when the power base is the right way up'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i.e, the people holding the power'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if so it would probably benefit from going with the blue states. If not, the red states'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Mine is red with one giant fucking blue splash last I looked.'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what, NY?'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nah, Il, sorry, thinking of where I'm going to school :p-'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd be best served by going third party, but there'
T3/r7/2012-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Mr Johnson's lot'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'N.Y. resident about the Onion's joke about 9/11:  "It's not OK. Ever." Alrighty then, extremist lady.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If you joke about 911, the terrorists win.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'More like if you don't.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Agreed.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is inherited slavery limited to savage lands like afghanistan and nigeria, or is it everywhere where a human exists?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'servant of god'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'average hard working mexican might make 6-10 dollars a day, while some prominent telecommunications ones make a billion a year'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just one place though, a soldier in canada makes 40k per year, which is less than 1/1000th what the CEO of air canada receives in 1 year'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's a smaller difference though'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so what'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so, what are they fighting for?  some kind of twisted perversion of freedom?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and equality yeah'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a job is a job'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'think he wants Communism'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'communism like russia in 1929?  i don't think so'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sepulchure looks at Zade and goes "Heh."
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'leaders of communist nations never lack any of the excess spoils of life'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're slavery'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'Capitalism hasn't changed much, Greece is collapsing(reminds you of the Depression in 1929)'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh is disturbed by unfairness, but is not yet able to suggest workable bloodless solutions -- so he tilts at windmills'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'well no matter what, some will be poor and others will be rich'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'the only thing the government has to do is to give everybody an equal chance at attaining wealth - if you mess up your chance then that's your(and sadly the taxpayers) problem'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'but that's just my 2cents'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'economic class based eugenics seems to still exist'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who has money is the best breed of human to procreate'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sepulchure looks at Chemosh and goes "Heh."
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'guaranteed success, just need to get this 8000 tonnes of cocaine into america'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Sepulchre, that is no such thing as "give everybody an equal chance"'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'figuratively speaking, i don't actually use or have any cocaine'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'It may not be a personal's fault that they are born without the ability to recognize they should do well in school, college, etc, but it isn't our job to uplift them...'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'school is structured to make people hate themselves and commit suicide'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or is the social aspect of school not a part of development of human beings?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'and there is no such thing as 'freedom and democracy', we should ATLEAST TRY to provide these things to the best of our abilities'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'Interestingly enough, Sepulchure, how many kids in your highschool who grew up to be asshats, how many of the lugged books around and stayed afterschool to study more?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'not alot'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'but should they suddenly suffer if their peers failed to make a living?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'how are they suffering?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if school is a horror, then some parents are teaching their kids to be terrorists, aided and abetted by teachers'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'should the kid who studied, took extra-lessons and grew up to be a millionaire now feel guilty that his peers make 1/100th of his salary'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'no'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'well schools are prison really'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and Chemosh, suggesting that schoolkids do themselves in is an indirect act of terrorism'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'There was a movie that came out a few years back that had an idea to remove one year of high school replaced with one of civil service, peace corps, or OJT...a decent idea I think...'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sepulchure . o O (  )
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's not terrorism, humans are un-naturally evil, unlike the peculiarities of 100 years ago, the rare-case is now the normal'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're self-loathing and suicidal, because of the media, the trash they have to go through to progress by force and things like that'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'high school should be dropped, if a child knows what they want to be they shouldn't spend 5years in school'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'terrorism takes many forms, more so than the legal definition by those terrorists in the USA'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Who the fuck needs 5 years to get through High School?!'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i can accuse lots of people of being terrorists if i want'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sepulchure laughs out loud.
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you want to make money, you have to do something you hate for somebody you hate more with others who make you hate your job even more - it's all a sacrifice of your own free will and self-worth for money, which is worth 1/1000th that of a air canada ceo, who doesn't have to worry about such trivialities as inconvenience'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and he got there through hard working, like world war 1 pilot's invented the air travel industry and did it for free'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'I'm about to fart....'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler lets off a real rip-roarer ... a greenish cloud envelops Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler!
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'Chemosh, did you have a bad flight experience with Canda Air?:p'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no i just looked at the number and the arbitrator's choices and compared it to people who defend his kingdom's value'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and he's really a small-timers, and that's just one of his income's'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'I debate that.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'I fail to see the problem if one person is wealthier than another'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'really, so they own everything, from your food and water to your land and 'free market' and everything in town, including education and your children are in good hands in this fair world of theirs'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not reproducing is one solution'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'Look at nature and tell me it is "fair"'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even your democratic politicians must pass the czar's approval before your lie called democracy has any illusory significance, and the media hides that from sight'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: '"I do not see why man should not be as cruel as nature" Adolf Hitler'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'supposedly'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who cares about nature, human lies called justice and stuff like that are lies, nothing to do with nature'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they want an un-natural invention called a country or something like that to exist on earth, then they should make it unnaturally fair'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'Chemosh, you are really coming across as a Commie'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'otherwise they can get fucked'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'A shelter against nature isn't a lie, a building can protect someone from the elements but it can still be knocked down...it still requires maintence...there are good ways to build it and bad...'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh complains, but until Chemosh is able to suggest a workable alternative that does not degenerate into something similarly unfair or worse, not going to get an respectful audience'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'paraphrasing here but isn't democracy the worst form of government except for all the others that have been tried'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'still the whole 'hate the rich man' attitude is just useless, such an attitude neglects to highlight the charities that exist'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'I think that was about capatalism wasn't it...'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh is likely decades from even beginning to suggest an inkling of a working solution'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'He did strike on a point, talking about nature ...that is really all civilization is, a construct against nature, for survival...'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'charities wouldn't be as relevant if the rich people who donate to them didn't keep on finding excuses for unemployment'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'talk is cheap'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'here's a small slice of the goat's ass, i'll eat the rump'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'don't rich people create employment? granted low wage but still'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'I personally think the solution is technology...look at it...didn't the technology fo FIREMAKING make humanity possible? '
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the rich alone do not create employment'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'and iirc Fermi's paradox is applicable here : what defines wealth'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Aterius, too simplistic, talk is cheap '
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'dell.. the american company, has all of its help desks in india for instance, and detroit couldn't afford to keep a wal-mart distribution facility there, so the people who purchase american slaves sent it to mexico for a cost-cutting alternative, possibly with a pre-cleared route for daily crates of drugs and other paraphernelia mixed in'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as long as it's sealed and the electronics sense no tampering, it must be legit'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'one gold coin? no. two? - and on and on, at what amount of coins(dollars) does a person become 'rich'?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'canada has oil and gold and uranium and potash and coal and grain and all kinds of shit on it, but it's all managed from foreign nations'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'Fair enough Zade, what I mean is, the only thing that is practically in this argument is, practical inventions...you have a hunger problem, invent the plough to get more food, you have a money problem, make shit cheaper or more efficient...'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even communist foreign nations, cause it's a slave-state '
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the carburator in your 'made in america' johnson chainsaw comes from japan'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those that use foul language in a debate indicate that they do not believe the crap they are saying'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'I disagree, a Communist state is not a slave-state, in the hands of the right people Communism could be a great thing'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how about your john deer tractor?  deceptively 'made in america''
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'it's human greed and selfishness that hinders Communism'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'why don't you guys argue on the best way to make nuclear fusion possible, that would solve a lot of problems...'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong Sepulchre, communism shall never work '
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all oil sales from texas will be made in america, sucked under the ground from alberta to europe'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'why do you say that Zade?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like petro china will stream line immigration and migrant worker 125 million the petro china oil fields in alberta to china, selling oil to themselves, and paying themselves for their sales'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'communism is against the law of nature'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they can make up for the taxes by importing all of the naturalized chinese citizens that work the oil fields'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Huan: 'communism works in almost every family. As long as it's explicitly consensual, I don't see problem with it. Problem with the real communism is that they try to force other people into it'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'And against Maslow hierachy of needs...'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'really. ants seem to be communist :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'Communism isn't against nature'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'd say ants are part of nature and follow the laws of it'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'It is against HUMAN nature then...'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sepulchure nods at Seltsimees Dagnir.
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but iirc it was zade who came out some retarded statement like "lol marx was a vile and evil man"'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sepulchure looks at Seltsimees Dagnir and goes "Heh."
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and tbh americans suck at understanding socialism and communism. or even telling the two apart'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'Aardwolf should become Communistic'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sepulchure nods quietly to himself.  What a wacko.
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'communism does not work in families either -- if those in families work together, that is not communism but something else'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'collectivism then?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'what would you call it then?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'communism is inherently corrupt'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'and collectivism falls under Communism, ask any Kulak that under Stalin's rein'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'really? name one communist state. ever'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i would say true communism is unobtainable. it hasn't been practiced'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'd say trying for true communism with 30 million genocides (or 300+) in the last 100 years under the flag of communism would be a deadly endeavour'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'honestly, is religon to some extent not communistic? "treat each other like brothers and sisters"'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'soviet union tried to establish it during its entire existence. the system itself was called "advanced socialism"'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some people like the disguise for population genocide control though, so it might happen'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '"true communism" is easy enough, you just need 100% pure good humans in the system'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but there isn't a single truly communistic state in the world'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sepulchure nods at Tinada.
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'communism is against the laws of nature; communism requires murderous brutality to maintain communism; and where there is murderous intent, corruption follows'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you don't even know what the fucking word means'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'Capitalism requires the slavery of the poor man to main itself'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i know that you lost the debate withyour foulmouth, Dagnir'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's a pretty good description what went on in the soviet union, but communism has nothing to do with it since it wasn't practiced'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so zade's saying communism's the only natural form of government'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'SU attempted it'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or the inevitable result is the same as any other form'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'USA got scared and waged an 'icy' war with them:p'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if usa was ever the enemy of russia, they wouldn't have gotten involved in fighting against germany in ww2'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as zade says about communism, what's needed to maintain communism'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh is a liar troll attempting to put false words in the mouths of others (by using uneducated false and flawed logic)'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you could at least tell apart utopistic ideas and actual forms of government'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'so what? Capitalism is the lesser evil between Communism, is that what you're saying?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'Obama is as black as he is white....why do we call him a black president?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in north korea/russia (past?)/haiti and some african nations, the leader's seen as the living avatar of God almighty, their immortal lord of mortalness who they are the sheep of serving his holy will (from what i read in the media/seen, way people seem to act and things) and in capitalist nations instead of having the God, they have the money which is the altar on which their god sits, who tells them what to sacrifice for him next'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'cause people are sensitive about race'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'Omg it's so tempting....are we allowed to be openly racist here because I have a great joke'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'fundamentally they look basically the same to me, i see alot of mindlessness in the free capitalist world that people see about the cult of personality 'them' communist worlds'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'one black president will not erode the past actions of the KKK and the slave trade route'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'tell that to everyone whos voting for him just bc of his skin color'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'oh...and promises of 'free' money of course'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'welfare can blow me'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'contrary to what false "comrade Chemosh" is attempting to gainsay, communism is Not a natural form of government  -- Zade stated "Communism is against the laws of *nature*"'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'didn't you also say that nature wasn't very fair?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'well that's just dumb and racist, 100yrs ago being black meant you were apparently dumb and now it means a guarented spot in the white house. Says alot about Americans'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'do not say i said what i did not say, or i am going to get verbally nasty'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'Quick, to the internet...it's arguing time...someone is WRONG...and only I can stop them!'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sepulchure laughs out loud at Aterius.
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'http://xkcd.com/386/'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'there's a picture similiar to that'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'That's the exact image I was thinking of Majic...'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sepulchure looks at Dispel Majic and goes "Heh."
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I figured.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'me too'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'My wife does that all the time'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'I like discussing various ways we can improve things but the moments it becomes about proving someone right/wrong I basically leave'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Zade, I think you completely missed the point of what Chemosh said. You said "communism requires murderous brutality to maintain communism; and where there is murderous intent, corruption follows'" and he replied "so zade's saying communism's the only natural form of government" implying that such is inherent in nature in the first place.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'I would love to hear various people's thoughts on the possible breathroughs of fusion power or carbon nanotubes, etc...'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Majic, you are obviously trolling -- two may play that foul game: using false premises to twist logic to claim that the opponent said the opposite of what the opponent said -- but then the debate degenerates into lies slander calumny and worse'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic peers intently at Zade.
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Guess you can't understand his sarcasm :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you call that "sarcasm"  so i stuff false words into your mouth, and call that "sarcasm"  (and yes, i am being sarcastic, and i am learning how to "debate" on Aardwolf channels -- sad that truth shall leave Aardwolf behind ad go elsewhere) )  '
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'enough of this nonsense'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'his sarcasm was in implying that corruption and brutality are inherent in nature -- to say that something is unnatural because it requires corruption and brutality is silly at best. Nature is not kind.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a lot of logic errors there, Majic, some based on misuse of wordplay and assumed opposites, switching between different meanings of the samer word, tsk tak'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic peers intently at Zade.
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Why don't you ask him what he meant instead of immediately jumping into personal attacks against him?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a plausible answer is "Chemosh is unable to explain what he said by that false gainsay (since he wrongly inserted "only", thus indicating an "incoherent mode Chemosh". and in the past, an incoherent Chemosh refused to eludidate, stating that the audience is supposed to be smart enough to decipher what is meant to say}" '
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Or maybe that it's rather pointless to try to explain anything to you in the first place.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Silent Noro is agreeing with that Dispel Majic person again...
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'alternatively, if you are blatently wrong, you are unable to explain, although you may attempt to rehash the errored logic and perhaps realise where you went wrong , although pride may interfere in the case of somebody so self-important and self-prestigious as you -- so yeah, maybe pointless :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Except that I'm not blatantly wrong. You are, mostly due to the fact that you assume anything coming out of Chemosh's mouth is an insult to you.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'So speaking of refusing to admit wrongness, look in the mirror.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong again Majic, i merely objected to Chemosh saying that i said something that i did not say and was something that i'd never say seriously in that context'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Algebra is mandatory for graduation in nearly every state now -- many states now require Algebra, Geometry, Algebra II, and an advanced math, and more are moving that way.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Except, Zade, he didn't seriously say you said it. '
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the fuck? you still butthurt over your misunderstanding?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Seltsimees Dagnir.
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sit like a Trurien: 'I think Algebra is pretty important.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'has to be trolling'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I do think Algebra is important, but I think that requiring students, regardless of educational aspirations, to take math as if they were going to take calculus as a freshman ...'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sit like a Trurien rapidly nods twice at Dispel Majic, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Algebra is non-religious, perhaps atheistic '
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aterius: 'States are looking to include a vocational alternative instead of higher math...'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'At some point, you have to make choices. And yes, taking more math keeps doors open, but taking more math can reduce other courses which could also open doors.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Silent Noro: '.. when the hell did anyone say that algebra was religious? Or did I miss a few lines?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Some are, some are not. Some are just set on this 'college prep for all' bandwagon.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'zade, would you kindly fuck off already? you keep using words you don't seem to understand fully'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you missed a few lines'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I didn't see any lines that could've prompted that, was it the voices in your head?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Dagnir, nope :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'algebra is point less make kids learn trig'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'You can't really learn trig without basic algebra.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'trig is awesome and practical'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Trigonometry is based on Algebra'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) YnysMon: 'start with spelling, maybe?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I agree, Dagnir.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In Sweden, we have Algebra as part of Maths. Not as a separate subject, but as a part of Junior Maths (our equivalent to High School also only has 3 grades).'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I accidentally lied. I meant Sophomore (1st year) Maths.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Nods, it's rather an American thing to separate out Algebra and Geometry as different courses and not something I think is a good idea.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'same here. geometry, algebra and everything else is included in math'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortbus Stutz: 'although the Common Core is opening the door to re-integrate alg/geo again.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Relatively few college courses/majors require Maths knowledge besides the basics (or at all), so I don't see why High School kids should be REQUIRED to take Algebra and Trig.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We have optional courses that cover those things, but they are OPTIONAL for a reason.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler pukes on his clothes.
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Yuna, I'd agree with you. Unfortunately, the powers that be don't. '
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Algebra is vastly different to Geometry '
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Perhaps they should've been required to take courses in statistics, because they confuse correlation with causation :p'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What state were you in again?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Issue: Students who take advanced math in high school make more money than students who don't. Solution: Make EVERYONE take advanced math and then everyone will make more money!'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'should blunt smoking be an olympic sport?  DEBATE ON!'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'no but rolling should be'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'You know that's stupid'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Its not 'lets make more money' it's 'lets be more productive''
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, whichever.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'not if u r smoking blunts'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those that take Math in High school are more likely to become atheists'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oh, rolling should. my joints are amazing'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Architecture and Poetry were once Olympic sports.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'they are not even close to equivilant :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'those that read are more likely to be atheists'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'DONT READ'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'or u go to hell'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'home decorating and other silly stuff used to be olympic events tho'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'However, I don't believe the solution is to require everyone to take advanced math regardless of aspirations.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Yuna, on which planet'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Stop confusing Atheism with being Irreligious.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Zade questioning basic well-known facts? How unusual.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_competitions_at_the_Olympic_Games'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'isn't no theology and no religion pretty synonymous'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Atheism does not mean "No Theology". It means "Not Deistic" (I know, confusing).'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Atheists do not believe in any Deities (a.k.a. Gods). Irreligious people hold no religion whatsoever.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you going to believe Wikipedia -- Architecture as an Olympic sport ?!? -- strains the believability'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Case in point: You can be an Atheist AND a Buddhist.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'yeah but same hold for irreligious and Buddhist'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'https://www.google.se/search?q=architecture+olympic+sport&sugexp=chrome,mod=7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 - 155 fucking million hits on youtube. Not all about architecture as an olympic sport, but plenty.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Atheism isn't agnosticism'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'wikipedia is trash for a lot of things'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This is not a fight you can win, Zade. It's a well-established and well-known historical fact. Wikipedia was just the easiest and fastest source to pull out.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You cannot be Irreligious AND Buddhist.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because Buddhism is a religion. Being Irreligious means you hold NO religion.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i think of buddhism as a philosophy more than a religion'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'Buddhism is a philosophy not a religion'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Buddhism deals with an afterlife. It's a religion.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'if you choose to include it, it can be'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'One of the defining traits of religions is that it deals with the afterlife.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Ask any theologian and they'll agree that Buddhism is a religion. Buddhists agree that it's a religion.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the etymological defining trait of religions is relics'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'According to what Dictionary, Zade the Ignorant?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'atheism is a religion that disbelieves in the afterlife'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '" "state of life bound by monastic vows," also "conduct indicating a belief in a divine power," from Anglo-Fr. religiun (11c.), from O.Fr. religion "religious community," from L. religionem (nom. religio) "respect for what is sacred, reverence for the gods," in L.L. "monastic life""'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, NO. Atheism is not a religion and Atheism is NOT a disbelief in an afterlife. I LOVE it how you somehow keep trying to contradict basic facts.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'zade, once again, please fuck off. your stupidity makes me sad :'('
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in another dictionary, religion is etymologically from "religens" (fearing of gods) which is opposite to "negligens".  a Neglige (free-and-easy attire) is thus obviously atheistic. '
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes? How does that translate to "From relics"?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also. NO. (on the stupid, STUPID point about Atheism).'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'um, wow, folk etymology at its finest :p'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Stop HALLUCINATING how the world works and basic well-established facts.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Go back to spewing bullshit conspiracy theories and calling everyone Communists.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'communist atheists*'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '"Your search - religens "fearing of gods" dictionary - did not match any documents."'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "relic" etymology was likely from something read on the web -- "relics" are usually holy remains used by religions to "bind" believers together in the "fearing of god" '
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I call BS on this dictionary existing :p'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's because "Religiens" means "Careful".'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Here's something for you Yuna: is theosophy a religion?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, different words in different languages can sound alike and be totally unrelated. It's common among the semi-educated to attempt to claim they're related based on sound-alikes.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No. It doesn't preclude one being religious, but theosophy is basically just theistic philosophy.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'What about Madame Blavatsky style theosophy?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I don't really care. Too much text for me to read just to find the answer to your question.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'many etymologies are often whatever the dictionary scribe decides to call an etymology -- the scribe Stephen Colbert added several words and etymologies (at least two) to the urban ad or official dictionaries'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The irony is that the biggest contemporary pushers of atheism...aren't atheists.  The question is why, then.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'However, by definition, theosophy neither precludes not includes religion.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If they are not Atheists and/or Irreligious, then what are they?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'My point was that you know that Blavatsky was a satanist, right'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'is satanism a religion?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You think Urban Dictionary is an official anything?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, I didn't. Satanism also isn't a religion, it's a philosophy.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'depends on if you're a satanist because you actually believe in satan and worship him or if you're just doing it to piss off your local christians and because it's cool :p'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If you believe in Satan and worship him, then you're a devil worshipper.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'True Majic.  Though, Satanism has: relics, and afterlife dogma, which I believe fits in your description of "religion"'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Satanism in the modern sense is not about Satan at all but about putting oneself first.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Exactly...hence the push to atheism'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I didn't know Satanism had an afterlife dogma. What is it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The biggest pushers of atheism are theists'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The classic "as above, so below" - rule the world with Satan.  Course that happens, right.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'd say the Westboro Baptist Church has pushed a bunch into atheism, for sure :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What kind of Satanism are we talking about?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm talking about modern Satanism, the philosophy, not Devil Worshipping Satanism, the batshit insane "religion".'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Modern Satanism doesn't believe in an afterlife. Or God. Or Satan.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'As in what? Crowley based Satanism?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I believe that is tantamount to atheism, no?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yah.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'think your talking about luciferism Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes. Crowley-based Satanism is an Atheistic philosophy.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Wait, let me double check that name.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I meant LaVeyan.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'theosophy (a belief in the supernatural common to most religions) and the theosophical society (most likely a religion) are, due to similarities, both religions even if they deny they are religions'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I don't even deign to acknowledge the forms of Satanism that actually worships Satan as legit anythings.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(I also don't consider Scientology anything but utter horseshit)'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'why not they have dogma a deity and all the trapping of a religion why wouldn't they be legit'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'wicca? :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I consider a lot of things people would consider religions or stuff cults.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Eckankar is a religion, even though Eckists deny they are a religion (they attempt to claim they are "a way of life" and not a religion, but they are deluded, they are a religion)'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Silent Noro: 'Deluded, just like you. :) '
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Zade, haven't you noticed that we treat you the same way we treat Chemosh? With quiet disdain? And how we ignore you? We're not going to reply to your batshit insane bullshit. So do everyone a favour and shut the fuck up.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'and worshipping a zombie with delusions of becoming a stage magician makes sense compared to scientology?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You don't have to waste your type typing up stuff nobody cares about and we don't have to exert the brain processing power to ignore what you write.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nothing wrong with being in a cult, as long as none of you know the other is full of shit, otherwise it's just not very indulging to pretend'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm sorry, have you met me, RandAlthor? Yuna - Militant Atheist and Irreligious.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'diddo'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Scientology is batshit insane, though. Hubbard made it up on a drunken bet.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'wasn't projecting the affect on you was making a point that ALL religions are bat shit crazy'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Did FFX make you atheist? Half-joking'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'well, i guess there's all kinds of things wrong with being in cults, but they're not all sadomasochistic criminal enterprises'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We at least don't know how Christianity started.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Some more so than others, though, RandAlthor.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'By the way, Mormonism? Cult!'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'maybe you don't know, but some others may know'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Nobody alive knows for sure :p'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Same with any of the older ones. '
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Illuminati/Masonic based cult to lead you off the wrong path'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i am sure that i am alive'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'perhaps I should say 'most''
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Silent Noro: 'Sure, Jesus walked on water. But - it was frozen. '
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, Zade. I'm SURE there are people who know exactly how Christianity started.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're SPECIAL like that.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I did not say that you didn't know whether you were alive.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'At least it's more believable than Incident 1 lol'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'No Noro, there were stepping stones :D'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'um i come from a culture that teaches the creator created everything and everything has a soul even your hair and man was cursed to kill to survive after the cyotote tricked him into eating meat'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Silent Noro giggles at Dispel Majic's actions.
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Certain Indian tribes believe hair has souls?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'in our creation myths'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Eh, I was born in Buddhism. The least batshit insane of the major religions.''
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they had floatation devices 2000 years ago too, even if he walked in water with his bare feet like one of those 'crouching tiger, hidden dragon' monks, it's also likely to be a metaphor relating to the scripture'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why would that be considered a miracle or astound onlookers?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Pretty sure that particular part of the Bible is supposed to be taken literally.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there are several inadequate defects with Buddhism'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Inadequate defects"?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you mean ... they're not defective enough?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What, they're not defective enough?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Where's Tigernuts? We need the entire Triumvirate present to annoy us.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'what is the most defectless religion?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'probably one where to leave is to meet an untimely demise'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'craziest part of my tribal religion is the catholic church gave them the OK to continue practicing after being converted on the gounds the teachings are the same and the rituals were only slightly perverted over time'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Bokononism'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Pastafarianism. You can believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Or you can choose not to. If you choose to, you may worship him as a god or you may choose not to. Everybody wins in the end anyway.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how about the military?  people rather commit suicide than say 'i quit', or did they?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'holy snikees haven't heard of pastafarianism in forever'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How the Hell did you segue into that from the topic of religion, Chemosh?'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i mix up religion and power structures sometimes'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I mean, you don't exist and I'm ignoring your batshit insane bullshit!'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"all religions are inherently unethical" -- doubt that there are any exceptions, and if there are, they are likely no longer a religion'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'lol, I was just talking to a friend who had never heard of pastafarianism :p'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not the only one though, if you watch the israeli movie 'lebanon' aired on superchannel about 8 months ago, they refer to fallen soldiers as angels, so it's sort of religious'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in the movie includes a crying donkey, like the dumb ass jesus rode into jerusalem and a field of sunflowers referred to in a song by om called flight of the eagle'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'possibly'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i imagine every military on earth has a sort of superstitious allegory to it'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"04 Aug 19:09 - RandAlthor tells you 'was that a Heinlein quote?'" -- nope, that was something heard on irc while debating religious nutters'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Zade calling anyone a nutter. Pot, meet kettle.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'well time for a heinlein quote then'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'History does not record anywhere at anytime a religion that has any rational basis.'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'History is rewritten, perhaps for that reason'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and into the trashcan goes Heinlein'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'history's written by the victor, who doesn't mind if his new servants are misled by religion, sometimes rooted in reality of the old culture that is brainwashed into the future'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'saying all religions are senseless nothing's to do with reality doesn't always pay off, maybe some are symbolic of people's freedom'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but twisted to mean nothing of the sort'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and after all that, no directions to go anywhere'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from fiddling with it. --Heinlein... time enough for love'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's just something i consider, i don't see why a superior intelligence that manipulates the space in which everything resides itself can't exist, except for trying to find a reason why'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as far as i know anything's possible, just more or less likely'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'religion is a lie that obscure the truth'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'religion is a lie that obscures the truth'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'say it twice and it cancels out'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler farts at himself.  Better him than you.
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Logical fallacy though - because some religions are false does not mean there is an absence of truth'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Confirmation bias in a major way'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'religion is a .. it something that is out there. whatever'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'religions are lies that obscure the finding of a wittgenstein ladder to a more plausible truth'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a wittgenstein ladder is a seeming logical fallacy until the ladder is ascended'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a wittgenstein ladder seems to lead up into mid-air upon which there is neither footing nor support.  yet upon ascending the wittgenstein ladder a solid plateau is found, and standing on that plateau looking down to where the ladder started: an absence of solid footing'
T3/r7/2012-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"the price of liberty is eternal vigilence" (and a strong nation)'
T3/r7/2012-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh for the love of penises, the Fifty Shades of Grey trilogy currently hold the top 3 spots of the most-sold-books list on Amazon.'
T3/r7/2012-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'What are you debating, exactly?'
T3/r7/2012-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The downfall of society.'
T3/r7/2012-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'Society is doomed.'
T3/r7/2012-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Twilight is making all kinds of top lists while Fifty Shades of Grey, a.k.a. Twilight For the Older Fucktards, I Mean Ladies, is doing the same.'
T3/r7/2012-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'Is this surprising?'
T3/r7/2012-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Say all you want about teenage boys and their misplaced priorities, but as far as I know, there's never been a male version of Twilight/50 making top anythings (i.e. movies/books with very little value that make it big simply due to sex).'
T3/r7/2012-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's because boys prefer porn'
T3/r7/2012-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'Teenage boys tend to have their priorities pretty well placed..'
T3/r7/2012-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm surprised at the vehemence at which girls and women are flocking to these vapid franchises/icons. Justin Bieber is still big (somehow) and One Direction is inspiring riots, despite being piss poor vocally live.'
T3/r7/2012-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Out of 5 boys, only 2 can sing.'
T3/r7/2012-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amidoinit Ryke: 'Priority 1: Propagate the species. Priority 2: Who gives a fuck?'
T3/r7/2012-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Even we who hate these things have to suffer because of them. Radio, TV, the movies, we're assaulted with commercials for this crap. I'm dreading the 50 Shades of Grey commercials that will start playing once the film gets underway.'
T3/r7/2012-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yay, Cass Sunstein is stepping dow. WHat a vile piece of work he was'
T3/r7/2012-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'George Soros should be illegal'
T3/r7/2012-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sepulchure starts to hear the faint sounds of a cricket chirping.
T3/r7/2012-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts THWAPS Sepulchure for being a moron.
T3/r7/2012-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sepulchure THWAPS your mom!
T3/r7/2012-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see'
T3/r7/2012-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'so what pointless argument shall we engage in today?'
T3/r7/2012-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's my real life activism done for one night'
T3/r7/2012-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what links the sikh shooter and the colorado batman bombing?'
T3/r7/2012-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is it with the SPLC being involved in setting up neo-nazi groups and acting as agent provocoteurs? '
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'A bunch of progressive free thinkers those Catholics. The Vatican just rejected a candidate to become a Bulgarian diplomat in the Vatican not because he's gay but because he wrote a (best-selling book) that had a gay scene in it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So it's not enough for them to discriminate against gays, they also discriminate against anyone who has gay friends or speaks about gay people in a non-negative manner, presumably.'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(The diplomat/author is not gay)'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the sexpervert was too outspoken an activist and likely intended to use the diplomatic post to spread more subversion'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Go back to hiding under your bridge.'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'an outspoken abomination spreading more filth is far worse than a diseased diplomat hiding in a closet'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Vatican is required to protect the Faith from the heretics infidels and heathens'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that was insulting of the Bulgarians to offer an outspoken homosexual as a diplomatic liason to the Vatican -- perhaps excommunicate the sordid bulgarians responsible ?!'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Bulgarian rhymes with buggarian, a coincidence, perhaps not'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Vatican prefers to not endorse those attempting to spread moral corruption (in filthy sexbooks) (and the offered diplomat was not a priest, so no special dispensation, and if he were, he'd be hushed to a closet, and rejected regardless)'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Yuna seems to dislike "50 Shades of Gray" for some (misongynistic -- Yuna called old ladies f***t***s) reason '
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spon cleaner?'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my MP is such a dick'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'his response to a proposed bill that will record everyone's internet activity for police to trawl through was "we've been recording voice calls for years. This just extends that power to new technologies"'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as if that makes it ok'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bit like the Germans in WW2 arguing "we've been killing political dissidents for years, what's a few million jews and romanies extra going to harm"?'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'they required warrants before to access those recordings'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'police do, intelligence services don't'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the database will be created, populated and maintained by private companies'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the internet users may as start encrypting all ptp communications'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they should require a warrant to tap/record int he first place'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we most certainly will be'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'two wrongs don't make a right, they need to start butting out'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'compressing all communications is a good start -- that is almost like encrypting if the decompression algorythm is mising'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless you plan on using non-standard compression techniques, it'll be irrelevent'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can unencrypt most of the earlier encryptions on the fly as it is'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the output from aardwolf is mccp compressed, so an initial casual snoop does not revea anything'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the biggest issue will be that all major operating systems are compromised'
T3/r7/2012-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they've stolen all our cash, now they're coming for our Interwebz'
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T3/r7/2012-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'really interesting conversation about harassment and female online gamers on NPR talk of the nation today. anyone else listening?'
T3/r7/2012-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mner mner'
T3/r7/2012-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hate british politicians'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you'd bought $1000 of gold in 2002, it would be worth $10,000 now'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'congrats, this is our world now: http://tinyurl.com/c43ce5v'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'man arrested at olympics for "not smiling": http://tinyurl.com/93lhjzq'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'was that in Britain no less'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The UN's Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) has called on the US to suspend its production of biofuel ethanol. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19213550 is this indication why so few people can afford the cost of living, to have their own space in a land 8x the size of china or india, who both have a population of 1.5 billion, and who gets sacrificed if they're hungry?  (and canada) obviously most canadians can't afford to have a good credit rating to take out a 800,000 dollar loan on a little shack, cause they have 1/10'th the population of america and an even larger country'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: '8x the size of China or India? Hmmm. '
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this might sound like an arbitrary point, but can you rephrase that?'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'makes sense people gotta eat, and i guess there is some destroyed crops'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ok maybe not 8, saskatchewan/alberta the size of china, then there's northwest territories, yukon, b.c, manitoba, quebec, ontario, new brunswick, nova scotia and newfoundland / PEI'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that labrador'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not all is good crop land'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'damn cold up there'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's true, most of the country's not very hospitable to humans'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Still no, Chemosh. Just brought up the CIA website, which lists countries in order of area. Canada, approx 9.9 sq km, US 9.8, China 9.6.'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Russia, btw, at 17m sq km'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does it list usable arable land?'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'look at a map of the world, canada's not much smaller than russia'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and i'm not so sure china's that big, it looks smaller than the usa to me by a lot'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Uh, Canada is more than 7 million sq km smaller than Russia.'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'does Chemosh check facts before posting snippets from (say) The Onion '
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'But it's not, Chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most maps distort countries because they're reprojecting it on a flat rectangular plane'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they can make it up too while they starve africa to death, 'we have global food shortage' you must make sacrifices, and then pile up their graincastles of imports in the desert'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was arguin with someone on that self same website today about african starvation'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i pointed out that we are to blame as much as anything because of our imperialism in the past, and our current 'green' policies that prevent africa from industrialising'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'africa just has freshwater lakes the size of texas and lots of fertile land to grow their own food on'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course, and they'll never be able to make use of it because either the west, or china will abuse the shit out of it, and the locals will get nothing'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the population of India used to be smaller -- then modern industrial farming methods permitted them to breed to excess'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as has been the case for 200 years'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they can develop chemicals in mozambique, the poorest and lowest mortality rate nation on earth, but those brains can't develop a food supply from their own land'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even bankers from a local community here, and it's a nondescript small town, go to africa for meetings'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the population of Ethiopia was small -- during nondroughts they overbred -- the droughts came -- they starved'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Just double checked against my 2010 World Almanac and Book of Facts... China, 3.7 mill. sq mi.... Canada, 3.85 mill sq mi... US 3.8 mill sq mi.  Just saying, because claiming that the US or anyplace else on Earth is 8 times the size of China (when China, the US, and Canada, are all practically the same size) is misinformed, disingenuous, or both.'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wasn't questioning if biofuel is less of a perogative than a food supply, but who's saying how to administrate the country'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'biofuels just aren't needed'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seems odd to me to have some italian from brazil born in america on the un food supply system tellin them what's up with their agriculture in america, a month after a population control summit in rio'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'cheap "biofuels" from algae farms may assist fuel production -- but do those farms reek'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can make diesel in a lab now with some form of special yeast'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll outdo algae'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"wind farm" noise may be irritating to some sensitive humans'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wind farms are not a solution to a country or state's energy requirements'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless you have a windy, large, unpopulated area'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and even then, not by themselves'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if that yeast uses sugar, where did the sugar come from'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Where I live there's a local general store that sells non-ethanol gasoline. Everybody buys gas there for their mowers, chain saws, anything with a small engine. The ethanol is brutal on them.'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing's a free ride when it comes to fuel'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'algae farms are supposed to only use the atmosphere and a few minerals -- unsure about yeast doing the same'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think the almanac might be full of shit, but i'd have to measure it myself'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then there's all these people comparing america to the nazi's, after stalin starved the genocide cossacks to death in ukraine for stalin's grain in the 1930's, according to one speech that might be hitler's, russia demanded that germany starve millions of it's own citizens to death for stalin's grain - so it might be what's eventually going to happen cause it's happened before, and what kind of figurative nazi do people see in america to write up those conspiracy's?'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read one conspiracy that claimed german male's not slaughtered by the gulag were sent to work on farm's, and there's lots of those in the west'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Canada is a federal state governed as a parliamentary democracy and a constitutional monarchy, with Queen Elizabeth II as its head of state. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameroon  The English-speaking territories of Cameroon have grown increasingly alienated from the government, -- Yang's time in Ottawa was dedicated to securing more foreign aid for his country, despite human rights abuses and Canadian concerns about corruption. Along with other representatives of African countries, he was pleased by Canada's commitment to debt relief in 2000. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil%C3%A9mon_Yang'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'doesn't it seem odd that the head of state of canada has it's foreign territories ostracized by a government that's against britain, but invests in it's success while itself goes into debt?'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''just making up for something or another' or 'where's france's 15 billion dollar 250 year old debt to haiti during their earthquake media?''
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it was 15'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you think about the big IRS fraud that's now coming out?'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'illegal aliens being assigned IRS numbers to submit fraudulent rebates, then IRS are attaching those to existing social security numbers for other people, then going after those people and seizing property'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think if they know they're full of shit, they shouldn't claim paper is more real than reality'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like china there, looking at a globe it looked like about the size of eastern canada to ontario border, so mentally i figure it's alot smaller than canada, but in the almanac it says it's just about the same size, ok so i was wrong - they still have 50x as many people though'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and i only notice that because there's so much space available in canada, but used by people like this brazillian to add to stalin's grain piles, justifying why most canadians can't afford their own home and the cost of purchasing what the land produces keeps on going up while job availability goes down and minerals are monopolized by foreign governments instead of by the people who live in canada'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i just assume stalin's grain piles still exist with the population control in the world summits and stuff, could be wrong though - it doesn't seem right to me that people who live in a land can't afford to live in it, while the land produces more than excess for others'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Chemosh, you're welcome to your opinions, of course, but you really need to do a little fact checking if you're going to back up those opinions with grand generalizations. You just said that most Canadians can't afford their own home. Does that mean that they can't buy one or can't afford the one they're living in? Reason I ask is because according to Statistics Canada (a gov't site), more than two of every three households are resident-owned.'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's a bit short compared to all the wage-slaves in canada, the amount living on social assistance cause there's no way to get into the job market, the amount renting - there's probably 3-8 of these for every one who has a home of their own'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so USA is going to Iran because Iran is launching oil trading in non-US currency'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: '3-8 non-owners in Canada for every home owner? Jeez, Chemosh. I'm never asking you to do any research for me, that's for sure. Here you go... http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/11-402-x/2011000/chap/fam/fam-eng.htm'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'stats canada was recently found out to be rigging statistics and unreliable, by an internal investigation'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Really? Excellent. Documentation, please. Sorry, but you're the guy who said that the US is 8 times the size of China.'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is Iran suspected of WMD (Weapons of Mercantile Denominations)'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'BRICS have set up trading worth $170bn without the dollar'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'here's one, i read about stats canada making things up in another though: "At the end, they just said, 'We really don't care. As long as you can find out if there [are] three people that live in that house, put down Mickey Mouse, Minnie Mouse and Donald Duck on it. We don't care about a name," Newton said. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/story/2007/02/15/censusdata.html'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Statistics Canada is responding to Newton's allegations by launching an investigation into the data. Anil Arora, director general of the census program branch at Statistics Canada, told CBC Radio on Thursday this was the first time he heard of anyone fabricating data.'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ok, fair enough.'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'family members are not home-owners when residing in a home-owners fmily home'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so that's how real your wealthy canadian stuff is, sort of like they cleared all of the homeless and poverty people out of b.c's olympic condom neighbourhoods before the games'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the poor homeless riff-raff 'd spoil the pleasant scenery of the Olympic games -- the tourists are there to see the games, not be bothered by homeless beggars seeking handouts'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, giving the illusion of wealth is important too though, gets people saying, wow i wish there was no homeless people at home like there is here, they must be doing something right'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'stats canada says all of this mineral money and stuff makes them live wealthy and productive lives'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the homeless where the tourists come from are not so behaved as the Canadian homeless'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and racism, these foreign companies are pampering native american canadians, who's minister says benefit the native american's, i mean canadians' in his little misquote'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the homeless where the tourists come from are likely thieves pretending to be beggars etcetera'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they give free education to indians, with tax payer money, and corporate handouts, and hire indians first - white canadians aren't equally hired'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that used to be seen as a crime'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'poor indians'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the white canadians did thieve and steal the canadian lands from the original Amerindians -- and Chemosh begrudges the handouts to the descendants of the original Amerindians - typical white foreigner coming to Canada and complaining about the amerindians'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they had it bad by some of the british and french and spanish, but 'white man' is the unilateral racism that they rejoice in, like latin americans there calling for the death of all white people in las angeles (teachers)'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the government pampers to it, and the corporations make use of the stereotypes to gain access to their government protected land'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'latin americans are also descendants of the invaders that came and killed the original inhabitants'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if the indians were conquered by china , do you think by this time they would have been a non-tibet denied education and things like that?'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so there's different kinds of devils to consider'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'corporations fueling racism and non-democracy in a multicultural nation isn't very good'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not gonna hire you cause you're black!  sounds worse than cause a indian came first'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the whites letting in colored foreigners into the Americas is to complete the land thievery and genocide against the original amerindians'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or i was waiting for the proper indian'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'indians have their doctorates and stuff paid for by the tax-payer, who they're often not, while the tax payer has to take out a loan that they might never pay off'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nota ll that though, some of their programs they fund themselves, so that's alright, i don't like hearing those 'benefit indians, i mean canadians' quotes coming from government officials though'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the British let the excess population from India invade Fiji -- the original Fijians are (complaining that they are) being overwhelmed and minoritied into extinction by the overbreeders from India'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and racist promises on commercials, promising to give preferential treatment to indians and not all people in a province'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Amerindians merit preferential treatment'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unfortunately, Amerindians suffer from leader corruption and incompetence'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'humans evolved from animals -- (and some humans may yet be only partially evolved) '
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'get rid of stalin and his psychological profile from europe and maybe the white invaders will move back there, since alot of them came after 1850'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not likely'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'most of the "white invaders" (of the Americas) were from western europe'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the nazi-hunters caught another criminal.. ok so they're hunting down warcriminals, unlike the stasi who receive pension and retired into the government administration of germany, or the gulag who aren't even mentioned in modern history - stolen babies in argentina and spain, stasi adoptions not relevant'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people sure like to think that all the horrendous people of modern history got punished for their crimes though'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not got rewarded'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unless Chemosh is criticising the russian jews coming to the Americas (with that Chemosh talk of the Stalin psychological profile)'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the media can imply some of them have a connection to the KGB as i pointed out before, why do these here things seem to indicate some kind of problem?'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but i'm not racist against jews, or russians, only the kind of people who genocided 30 million or so in 1929-1939 i criticize'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'since nobody else does, or not many'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i like to understand why, is there no gulag hunters or investigation into stasi orphans?  '
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and things like that'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'first memorial for holodomor appeared in edmonton in 1982 or so'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's some amazing pest-control'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if god the utterly indifferent views the planet earth as a bunch of human animals competing amongst themselves, maybe the "horrendous" atrocities are merely a footnote in history.  -- maybe god the utterly indifferent is not even bothered viewing the planet earth until the humans become a pest -- then the Apocalypse'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ok, but nazi's crimes are worthy of mention because god's chosen people were affected, that's understandable if your god doesn't view all humans as equally worthless and not worthy of rememberance'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's just maybe upwards of 30 million ukrainian's in america and canada'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and other victims of stalin's various gulag adventures'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not really meaningful for them to have a similar suffrage as the jews?'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'educated in modern history along with the holocaust'
T3/r7/2012-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if humans choose to be inhumane (or ignoramuses that babble incoherently without fact-checking), is god able to do anything other than be utterly indifferent'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'babblebabble'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do the southern poverty law center and certain leftist media outlets demonise the Tenth Ammendment Centre?'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why do you demonize leftists? :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if it weren't for "leftists" we would still be chopping wood with flint axes...'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'FBI claim the constitution stands in the way of protecting America against domestic terrorism'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'clearly been taking lesson from the Stasi'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just a shame that fbi, operating with the southern poverty law center, essentially run most violent right wing groups'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'problem, reaction, solution'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wonder if they found any tetrodotoxin on them recent cannibals, or in the numerous cases of people being put in mortuary's not actually dead - supposedly some real stuff in the serpent and the rainbow'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'It is not always fatal'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but at near-lethal doses, it can leave a person in a state of near-death for several days, while the person remains conscious.'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'For this reason, TTX has been alleged an ingredient in Haitian Vodou and the closest approximation of zombieism, an idea popularized by Harvard-trained ethnobotanist Wade Davis in a 1983 paper, and in his 1985 book, The Serpent and the Rainbow. This idea was dismissed by the scientific community in the 1980s, as the descriptions of voodoo zombies do not match the symptoms displayed by victims of tetrodotoxin poisoning, and the alleged incidents of zombies created in this manner could not be substantiated.'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Obyron: 'Paul Ryan as VP candidate. Go.'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'never heard of him before yesterday'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada peers intently at Modi.
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'but i dont follow politics'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Obyron: 'I like Paul Krugman's comment on him. "All he does is make scary noises about the deficit, with mood music, with organ music in the background about how ominous it is, and then propose a plan that would in fact increase the deficit."'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Paul Ryan was married to Jeri Ryan before, right?'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'So he was fucking a borg'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'that's all i have to say'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Obyron: 'That was Jack Ryan, from Illinois.'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Obyron: 'This is Paul Ryan, from Wisconsin.'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'nooooooooo'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'fail'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Obyron: 'If he'd at least got a shot of Jeri Ryan I'd have some respect for him.'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'hahaha right?'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Samuel L Jackson, prez 2020'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortbus Stutz: 'I always though her borg name should have been 'two of the biggest' instead of 'seven of nine''
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'biggest what?  Her boobs weren't that big.'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortbus Stutz: 'eyebrows. Those things were massive.'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Obyron: 'And so once again Debate chooses to focus on some poser's breasts instead of politics. ;)'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's only proper that we avoid politics until november.'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Obyron: 'True, only the die hards care before the convention, and even the dabblers don't care until October.'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Obyron: 'convetion(s).'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Obyron: 'And spelling, and whatever.'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'I'm not sure what it'll do, to be honest'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Obyron: 'Depends on Congress, like always.'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'I think it gives the Dems some ammo to use - "they are going to take away your social security/etc!"'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Yeah of course'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'But voters never understand that'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Obyron: 'I think it's funny that Mitt Romney is putting on chapstick and getting ready to go down on Grover Norquist though. Or at least it looks that way, after he picks the guy when Norquist wrote an op/ed saying he should.'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Did you see that his CP staff was saying that he made the pick two weeks ago?'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Obyron: 'Oh yeah. It'll be Carville on the Sunday shows saying, "What a surprise. Romney picks a guy who wants to cut taxes for the rich and kill Medicare."'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'I think it was to try to make it seem like he wasn't under pressure'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quadrapus smirks.
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's going away anyways.  Funds are guaranteed through 2020, and then by 2033 there will be nothing left in the coffers (all that comes in goes right back out).'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Obyron: 'Except every year when they audit it the dates change.'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Obyron: 'It's always: "(GAO|CBO|Think Tank|HHS) releases a study saying Medicare will be insolvent by 2029."'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Obyron: 'Then the next year... "...will be insolvent by 2030."'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Obyron: 'Then around the time mid-terms heat up, "...insolvent by 2015."'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Obyron: 'And then it's back to 2032.'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I heard on the radio they're comparing California to Greece.'
T3/r7/2012-08-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'kinda spot on, really.  Lots of coastline to enjoy, the people are weird, and they don't have enough money to pay their bills.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''aleph 1, smashing the stack for fun and profit' and http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-18453996 Aum Shinrikyo reinvented itself as the Aleph group, which continues to operate as a spiritual group.  any relation?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not interested in missing fingers or anything, just noticed that a year or two ago'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I usually use aleph null :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US Banks told to make plans for collapse'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'For real'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Im stocking up on gold and nickels'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Stock up on guns and ammo'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, the petrodollar is about to come to an end'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why you see US homing in on Iran'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stock up on resources'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your federal government will be going for total lock-down and resource confiscation'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Dude, they already have'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's martial law/FEMA time about now'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'We've had it for a while now, just not as obvious to some.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Officially'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd be foolish to arm up and sit at home'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'as in: crash the dollar, declare state of panic, activate executive orders, bam, official martial law'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's how it goes'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'except you and I both know the disaster was by design'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Which one?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Ironically, your side is likely better informed'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The U.S. propaganda keeps the sheep asleep here'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK media is no different'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US is where they're making the fuss though, cos you're the most powerful and least controlled of the western powers'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US is the only superpower that needs taking down'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the EU has already fallen'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'The formerly most powerful. They've got the most weapon but hold a lot less clout.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'We're the financial home of the NWO, The Dragon'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you spent more time studying, you might be better able to tell the difference between truth and propaganda...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They keep us in Matrix-like sleep and use us to turn the machinery'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm fully aware of propoganda, Sonshi, it's why I can't watch mainstream media without feeling sick'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Sonshi, don't know how old you are, but look at what is happening to the current generation'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the worst cases are those where people believe the truth is propaganda, and vice versa...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'We've become soft in the West'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'China/Russia doing trades with Iran and others in currencies other than petrodollar is a fact, not a myth'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we've become soft in the west, I like that.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do not underestimate the effect of the petrodollar on the US economy - it's what props the currency up'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when the world stops using the dollar for resource trade, the dollar will fall'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you mean it will fall further :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The IMF already plans that shit out'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why there's been such a run on gold'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'the EU is/was never a superpower. It's a farming union.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it hasn't fallen even remotely as far as it would have'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'It's a combination of that and the fact that either not enough was done, they willfully ignored information, or were involved directly that caused us to finally end up here. The CIA I believe it was actually wrote a little thing that basically detailed something like this, but with a communist enemy, to cause just such a military 'overthrow' that turned us into a permenantly military derived government.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if the dollar were tied up to the gold standard like it used to be, there wouldn't be a run. But the powers that be didn't want it tied up because then it could not be manipulated.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well this is why the USA has been in a permanent state of emergency since 1940s'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'And honestly most metals have no place in a 'paper' economy, especially when you start putt..exactly.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not quite as simple as that, anaristos'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not only that, being tied up to gold meant that only the treasury could print currency.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The CIA stopped being an intelligence operatus not long after Truman created it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'most metals though change value so fast as well that it's hard.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's now more like the brownshirts'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'Might be better to study a bit before resorting to conspiracy theories...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'the gold standard wouldn't have solved any problems... the problem is spending borrowed money'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'You're using the standard meaning for conspiracy theory. Not all theories are wrong, they simple don't have all the facts.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well done for showing your true colours and lack of understanding, Sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It would have, because then a banking cartel couldn't exist fiat paper backed by nothing'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, quite that simple. With the dollar tied to gold, the president would be in control of the currency. With the dollar tied to the price of toilet paper the federal reserve is in control.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'generally, having your own currency is better than ceding control to another country or countries'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Tuskigi experiment, the blackwoods experiment?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'there isn't enough gold to make a real gold standard'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '..and the Fed is a banking cartel owned by the Illuminati'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'it would just be a fiat gold standard'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's beside the point, Ranrr.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Well not quite just the illuminati, but it's primarily them.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'earth being round is a conspiracy theory, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'They were started as a private 'bank' outside the government, that's allowed to do as it wants.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a fiat is better than nothing. Right now, the only thing propping the dollar is the users' unwillingness to switch to other currencies.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Warburg started the Fed'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there is the truth and there is stuff which is not true. One should try to learn the difference.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anaristos is right, people have fled to the dollar, artificially propping it up'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Honestly We need to find a flat conversion rate, but allow each country to have their own currency.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is it you're claiming isn't truth, sonshi?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'besides being tied of to gold didn't mean that gold would be delivered in exchange. If you read a treasury note it would say that it was redeemable in silver.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'the gold standard btw, was what caused the banking crisis of the early 90s'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'They may not use the name illuminati, or things like that, there's the bilderberg I think it's called?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not in the US, Nixon floated the dollar.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Warburg was owned by the Rothschilds'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'stuff about the dollar being propped up by the resource trade (matters little), etc.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'All the old bloodlines'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh, sonshi?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in the 90s the dollar was made out of toilet paper.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'There's many names for the groups that do this, but there ARE people out there who use their wealth only to accumulate wealth and keep it within.. as dosset said..'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you for real?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'everyone floated their currencies, that's what solved the problem'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you know what OPEC is?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '"The 1%"'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they were forced to float it because they previously used the dollar as marker.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Basically a oil standard used to do the same thing as the 1% does now in the US.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'resourcces will eventually run out - may have already been projected to do so ? will there be a fight over what is left ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yes, this is the finest hour'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Not all resources run out, we just don't use the ones that don't run out as fast/easily to prop up our failing economies.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and also stuff about governments not wanting the gold standard because it couldn't be manipulated...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'True Salraes'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'the gold standard would be more damaging to the economy than everything the EU/US/Asia has done bad the last 10 years'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They suppressed knowledge of zero-point energy and simple osteopathic cures, because it would crash the corporations'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't think a fiat currency or a return to the gold channel will help'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'it would basically cut the economy down to a fraction of the current size, and make it impossible to grow'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '"Capitalism" here is about furnishing worthless goods, not supply meeting demand'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'The biggest reason that a set metal standard is hard to control is how often are metals used in techonology?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Seriously, look at it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, before when the dollar was tied up, it was cheap for the US to buy in Europe, now it is the other way around. The US depends on Europeans spending money in the US'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'moral standards are more then tech'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'everyone needs to be able to do what they do '
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'How often does metal that we use as a 'standard' get used in things we use every day?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I can't see why you think that printing money at will with no backing is better than issued backed currency.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'time for a partasian force ? collapse of a national army and universal ecomomy? '
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'So eventually its uses are more viable to drive an economy .. didn't say that.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'the only value of anything is what someone put on it otherwise it's just a thing'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'issue-backed and government printed are both flawed systems'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'floating currencies and fiat money solves the problems of different economies growing at different rates, no gold or silver backed currency can handle that'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yes Zanbone, and they create worthless shit and convince us we need it with media'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'And it works'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's how it sustains itself'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Exactly, planned obsolecence.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, but backed currency has a more objective value that money that is cracked out when the government needs to pay bills.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, anytime you back a currency with something, it leaves your currency at the mercy of those who produce that something.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If it makes you feel better, think of fiat money as a contract for an amount of work'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what we have really is all currencies aggressively devaluing themselves against each other'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They use pop culture to tell you need money, bitches, and bling'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'They've done that since the second world war, to keep our economy going in a post-war era.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'So you buy into the Matrix'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'consumer economy relies on employment - ....'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'We shouldn't NEED all this crap though.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'just give us land and seeds and get out of the way'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'screen... scrolling... so... fast...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the current system relies on neverending growth'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'A currency grow stronger by being backed by a sound economy, that's the backing of currencies'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'I honestly don't see why we need to be as seeking the 'NEW', I'm perfectly fine with upgrading old.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'clearly not a sustainable model'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's why they choke the economy Ranrr'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'So it can't grow'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'can't do R&D with an agrarian society - let alone defend it '
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but really, your treasury should be printing the money, not private banking cartles'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They don't want free, clearing markets'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'growth is grate we need to into space get back to the space travel era'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, Tiger, I'll buy that. But since the Reagan administration the dollar  has been  back by the US debt, not by it's economy.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes, so the solution is to make your economy sound.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They want a perpetual state of turmoil, which can control the people and make them government reliant'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'if we kept to a much longer 'update'/replace schedule we might be able to find something to sustain us longer.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'The first thing should be sustaining our growing energy needs.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Personally, I just think they are stupid.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yes, anaristos, that's the essence of your currency'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There is no debt Anaristos'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'there is no money to debt'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one major advantage of fiat currency is that you can control the level of inflation. This is desirable for various reasons - a small amount of inflation helps to lubricate the economy.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Once we get energy needs out of the way, the rest of the society can be properly utilized.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Salraes, Tesla discovered that 100 years ago'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The oil corporations wouldn't have that'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'I wish to hell more people would take a scientific approach to keeping society going.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'to put it another way - inflation is a feature, not a bug'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, the US, and to a lesser extent, the western world, are deliberately starving people of energy to force the price up'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Right, Sonshi, in a X backed economy, inflation is controlled by how much X you find'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'I know Dosset. I'm a huge tesla fan.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you do know that, you do know that Obama shut down a bunch of non-GE coal plants'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that is the essence of the current dollar, yes. But that means that it is essentially worthless. It has no exchange value. Only the willingness of the creditors keeps the US economy afloat.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'forces Texas to import electric from Mexico'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'wait it's not us in the U.S.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'it's a feature that needs to be utilized in a different way.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'it's the small amount of people that are runing things'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'All things have usefullness, in certain doses, but we haven't adjusted to allowing a larger group survival.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'and I am sure it's from England those brits always trying to take over the world'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dont' blame us, we're skint and as under the thumb as you guys'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's not "Brits"'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There are no real countries'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'The small group on top could care less about the people on top.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: '^_^'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'others besides those on top'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we've had 3 generations of welfare dependance, we're good little sheeple'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'I mean.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'Iyes those people'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'an organic ecomony is great but the perks  n loopholes exploited have squed the system to the point of breaking imo '
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we need to have more debate channels! There are too many threads running in parallel!'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'by backing the dollar with the US debt, the US guaranteed that there would be no repayment because if the creditors demand payment the US will collapse and the will get nothing. So they have to live with a debtor that can't pay and can't be foreclosed.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'the US could go bankrupt'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Hey, clinton had us in the black. It was Bush jr who put us so deep in red.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the standard growth modle is fllawed imo !'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, it  could go bankrupt.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The debtor that can't pay = us'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it will go bankrupt, at some point'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there will probably be a chain'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'no one owns anything in the U.S.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Obama has TRIED to help, but is getting strangled on every end.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll either go bankrupt, or you'll have hyperinflation'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'And we're getting to own less and less as time goes on, unless you're rich.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in fact, the only reason the use hasn't gone bankrupt is because the creditors have to pretend that the US currency is worth something.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Good cop, bad cop - they're the same team'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i personally think hyperinflation caused by a collapse is likely'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'war is the answer to bankrupcy in the past ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Honestly the people who need to pay more taxes are the rich.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sweden was in as deep shit as the US 20 years ago, but we turned it around, and are now one of the strongest economies of the west'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do you think US is gunning for Iran, Tzad? It's got nothing to do with a threat'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Let them give up more of their useless dollars, instead of causing war to make us ignore the real problems.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'We had no reason to go for Iran, and went for Iraq for the wrong reasons.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'try telling American and western leaders that, Salraes'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Also applies to korea, vietnam etc.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Control the resources, control the people'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The US already took all the oil, all the cocaine, all the other drugs'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah - institute massive public works or go  to war - is the 101 of stimulation '
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'But there's so many other ways to control people WITHOUT wasting the resources.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why you have patriots shouting "CONSTITUTION" in extremely loud voices, because it was put together for this'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'controll is useless'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and why the nwo-supporting liberals are trying to ignore it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'controll is what causes the issues'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'selling the US dept in the  capital markets in the '80s is what caused hyperinflation. Nominal interest rates are still hanging around the ceiling. The so-called low  interest rates that we see are only geared to the rich. Banks go to the discount window and borrow from the Fed dirt-cheap, then they use that money to charge credit-card holders from 14 to 22%'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'What about giving them endless entertainment, make them forget what is going on outside their little world of distraction?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what, like Facebook and Sky TV?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'from Roman's, German's, Egyptian's, English, etc..'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'add to that predatory lending, bundled shit derivatives and bam'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Socialism'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'More then that tiger.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as long as they still have the ability to collect taxes, the dollar does have a backing - but if you want to cut inflation in a really severe situation (perhaps at the expense of the economy), you might have to tax a lot.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'I'm talking like.. you know how the MIAA and RIAA is trying to strangle down on the pirates and that?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Im watching you guys while listening to alex jones.....<_<'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is nothing wrong with Socialism :) For one, it has never been implemented.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Why not, instead, allow for cheap LEGAL access to those things people are pirating?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Alex Jones is a Jesuit disinformation agent'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'AJ nice'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'He gives a little truth, a lot of lies'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah he's not, DosseT'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Um.. medicare? Medicaid? Social Security?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Fire/police stations?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Roads?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Parks?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Schools?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's like any other patriot, trying to put out a message while trying to earn a buck off it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'withdraw enough of the monetary base, and inflation will be halted. That's one of the features of a fiat money system.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Cheap legal access? Isn't that spelled netflix in the US?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'He's part of Project Mockingbird run by the CIA'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's also dyslexic'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, Social Security is not socialism, the receivers paid for it, the problem with the  system is that it was a a pyramid scheme.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'He's an agent provacteur trying to rile the people up to rebel, so they can institute martial law'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'But it's not 'wide' enough rnarr'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'There's not ENOUGH access.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you know that isn't true, dosset'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'there's only so much on netflix/hulu plus, they need more contracts.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(assuming that the government is still in control)'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Some broadcasters are still fighting offering those contracts.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'ok, add spotify or rdio too'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'I'm not talking music, just talking video for now.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'state control of industries produces little competition = therefore little ecomomising -'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'I can't get bravo related content, beyond a few episodes.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Chem trails'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I agree that better services are needed. But it's getting better, compared to a couple years ago.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'and after so long, some shows are shorttened/removed from those services, because of lack of contracts.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'poloroids: a painful condition got from sitting on icebergs'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Well they lost a few contracts.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'services are social nightmare paid by the middle class'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'precipitate: an art gallery on the edge of a cliff'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'solder: a military man with an eye missing'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'What middle class?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'capable: two things you need to be a matador'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'buffalo: to greet someone in the nude'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'economic debilitationg issues such as environmental controls and labour issues are a comparative advantage to less developed /less regulated  countries like china/mexico - liberalism  - although socialy responsable are dragging the developed countries down imo '
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, those economies can't afford to save the environment, they have a "damn if you do and damn if you don't" situation.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hate the environment argument'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's an excuse'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'The problem isn't one of just enviroment, it's EVERYTING.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yeah, it's linked'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Everything we do is geared towards unless consumerism'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'As was said before'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US doesn't have that problem. The only way the US can justify lifting environmental controls is by saying that the filthy rich that has become so by raping the environment needs to get richer.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't solve an environmental problem by banning people having food collectives, or from drinking raw milk, or from having gardens'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or from being self sufficient'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'If we could slowly adjust to a less 'buy buy buy' economy, and at the same time use more enviromentally focused building methods..'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, let's ease controls on Exxon, let them fuck Alaska again.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't fix the environment by closing down all your clean-coal plants in order to import dirty-coal electric from another country'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'the problem though with those is not enough is done to keep the contamenaints from the food.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what the hell is clean coal, Tigernuts?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'have you ever been around a area where they burn coal?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'clean coal is coal plant where the only emissions are co2 and water vapour, anaristos'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Raw milk and large food collectives/organic growing has a larger cost to get it where it's going, unless it's done very locally.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, and what about the soot?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'removed'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Well nearly none of the coal plants I've seen have that tiger.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you haven't seen one'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Most US plants DON'T utilize that, they just say they do.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'they use very inefficient methods.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'All the regulatory agencies ensure that no clean energy can occur'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'so not all of the soot is removed.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'clean coal isn't massively efficient, still cleaner than off-shore wind farms'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's literally 1984; the EPA makes sure no clean energy can occur'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and more useful'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'When the EPA is ran/controlled by the same people who run the energy producing devices, you're going to have a conflict of interest.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so your plan is to keep burning fossil fuels because there is no future in other energy sources that don't require burning anything. I mean, if humanity has reached the end of energy sourcing with the discovery of fossil fuels, we might as well turn in the uniform now because the game is over.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is a common problem with run-away centralised governments'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, anaristos'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's the idea - pose as though they're separate'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is not the plan'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Just like politics'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Anaristos, we discovered the energy source 100 years ago'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It was buried'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'figuratively'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as long as you keep saying "why don't we burn it this way or that way" it means that you rather burn fuel than find another source of energy. And since fossil fuel is a finite resource, the human race might as well hang it up.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'coal and gas are renewable'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, please, give me a break.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'debate What we need is an acceptance that there's no actual 'political' parties, just differences of opinions, and there needs to be more people who use reasoning and science instead of religious dogma to back up their interests, with a lean towards more properly 'liberal' enviromental and science policies, with a fiscal responsability towards military spending and our finite resources.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wood/biomass are the most renewable'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Well they're too slow for an economy growing at the rate ours continues to.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you just made my point. You are satisfied with burning fossil fuels until the sun goes  nova.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but certainly you need your coal/gas/nuclear IN COUNTRY to act as your backbone, then use hydro as your core renewable'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'The sun/wind need to be the primary sources, with the biomass used as small as possible.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'leave solar and wind to be microsources'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Exactly.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't, salraes'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'sure, I mean, the sun is such a small source of energy that why should we bother.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Global warming is a sham'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'we don't have enough MICROresources prepared to help support the stuff right here, until we can build the backbone to support the sun/wind'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for solar to solve the energy problem, you'd need 250 square meters new solar every second from now until 2020'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what's a few gigawatts of energy being dumped on the planet every day, a pittance.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'There's not enough stuff to CATCH that though Ana.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'We use so much space that very little except in places most people ignore gets utilized for energy production.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd be better using gravity, use tidal/hydro power'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'AND we're finding more efficient ways to capture that region.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those are the best renewable sources'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also the most reliable'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Not quite.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you'd just tax emissions, the private sector will go find the cheapest way to reduce emissions. It's pretty good at that sort of thing...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'We need to use ALL of them, in different variations depending on the area.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you must not tax emissions'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, that's true, because those who sell fossil fuels are making sure that the development of solar energy doesn't flourish. If humanity can't figure out how to harness such an immense source of energy then they deserve what they get.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'if the place lacks water, use more solar, or wind, if it lacks space, but has a lot of water, utilize microdams.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Some of the dam usage though isn't properly regulated either, I KNOW, I live in an area that's coming back from that.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'anyway, good night :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'We've passed the point of no return'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'For us maybe.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The cake has already spilled out of the mold'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you tax the stuff you want to reduce, people will tend to find the most effective solutions for their circumstances...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Which is why they are trying to kill us all off and restart - with everyone microchipped, of course'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why not just gas people instead, Sonshi?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just kill the people you don't like, for doing behaviour you don't agree with'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Sonshi, the regulatory agencies ARE the private sector'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'I wondered when that'd happen'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'We hit the 'hitler' mark'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's inevitable, salraes'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Surprised it took THIS long though.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Honestly we shouldn't kill those we disagree with, we should try and utilize a solution that both parties agree works.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you get the Hitler moment any time someone suggests using punative measures to prevent people from doing certain things that they don't aree with'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'gassing people is bad... By my moral compass anyway'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'The only 'people' who need taxed are corporations and the rich, compared to how much the poor/middle class are taxed.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They're ready for that - they got the coffins already made and buried, of course'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'why resort to violence when there are civilised ways to solve things?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Who says they're buried DosseT?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'I've actually seen some 'alex jones' style shit that they've got some prepared in storage, collapsable ones.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is violence any different to tyranny, sonshi?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'FEMA getting lazy...or arrogant'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'tyranny is bad...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Arrogant.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then why are you advocating it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'why resort to tyranny when there are great ways to solve problems without it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They don't want to solve problems'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'This is a negative-sum game'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I win, you lose'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you haven't suggesting a solution to a problem which doesn't involve tyranny'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'We're already AT tyranny, what we need to do is try and subvert some of the points that the yoke of tyranny rubs us raw.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'By my moral sense, you only punish people for violations for other people's rights, in proportion to the crime'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your "taxation" approach to promoting green technology is why people old people die every year in the Uk because of the cold because electric and fuel has rocketed in price'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'What if you can't punish them?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'But the whole 'raw milk/whole foods' isn't the right way to go after them.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then why are you advocating taxation on any arbitrary behaviour that doesn't fulfil your personal moral belief?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'rob someone, throw him in jail... Spray bullets at babies and eat their corpses... maybe a hanging is in order, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'taxation is great for discouraging behaviour that damages others'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'IF the people who need taxing are willing to discourage the behaviour that got them there in the first place.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'What do you do to someone who poisons you from birth, and continues to poison you so you live just long enough to power their imperial machine?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'How do you punish that?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if such behaviour will kill billions, taxation is not even close to crossing the line'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's your false premise'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, boohoo, they want to slap me on the wrist just because I'm plotting genocide! Tyranny!'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'The problem is both sides agree that the people who need to change are unwilling to change.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now, if individual countries were instructed to become energy self-sufficient'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'But CAN'T agree on what is the proper way to make them change without them even realizing it..'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rather than having these crackpot carbon tax schemes'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'I never said carbon tax.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'She might have but I didn't.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'calling the most reasonable scheme a crackpot scheme is a rather odd use of the word...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'I believe in actually taxing the people who have too much money, and corporations who make so much profits.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a reasonable scheme'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Take away some of their paper money and give it to something that might actually use it :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Problem is the "corporations" are the government'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Some pre-socialistic actions.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a scheme based on false science, where the money comes from poor people to be paid to rich people'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'A part of the government.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Huan: 'just fyi.. there is no such thing as corporate tax. Every corporation worth the term 'powerfull' will push any tax on it's customers'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a well regulated free market does wonders, you know. Can be pretty efficient'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'None of it is well regulated in any way though, the market, the tax system, any of it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'No free markets'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'for that very reason'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the guys against taxation are also the same guys trying to break the regulations that would support it though...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm personally not against fair and transparent taxation'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'taxing emissions the same amount per unit can be pretty straightforward and transparent'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'except it cannot'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just levy a fixed per unit cost'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unit of what'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who sets the rate? who collects it, where does the money go to?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'emissions'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'emissions of what?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the govt, the govt, and the govt'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whose government?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of whatever you want to control'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the government of the country trying to control it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The government has no incentive to regulate'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The government does not exist for the people - it exists to control the people'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did globalisation never happen to you, Sonshi?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your government taxes your energy production, so your energy companies import it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tax avoided'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the same works with any taxation, that's why off-shore tax havens exist.... you might have heard of them'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, if they import goods from other countries that don't tax it, you can always tax those too'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can you?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'If the non-corp arm of the government ever thinks of it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what you're suggesting is protectionist practices'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'They would never put something like that in place, it'd chaff their corporate masters.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'currently illegal'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you know, like in countries that tax alcohol and such, you tax producers, and you tax the stuff coming in at the same rate'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the corps are well ahead of you, and always will be'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not an approach that works'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'regrettably, you'd have to guess at the emission rate of foreign industries...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are better approaches'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a government that's effective enough to actually manage to pass co2 taxation past all the corporations against it will probably be effective enough to police it at least decently'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a ridiculous statement'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and it isn't considered a protectionist measure if that good is taxed at the same rate for internal producers'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Sonshi, governments and corporations aren't separate entities'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'far better policy would be to insist that all energy consumption in country is produced in country'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you tax joe x/unit or y% for his stuff coming from a factory in that country, and you levy the same x/unit or y% for ahmad from kylyrgrzygrstan, it's fine'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'It's not CONSIDERED fine, currently.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'happens all the time with alcohol, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Know why Prohibition happened?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and producing all energy in-country is kind of inefficient'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most duties and prohibitions occur because governments lose control of monopolies'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'certainly is the case with drugs'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'Well the biggest tax saving issue would be dropped if decrimilization was taking place. Therapy instead of arrests and prison.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Quick-and-easy fix to appease the masses'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think there is any argument over that, salraes, outside of government itself'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if people want to drug themselves... why not? Just tax it high enough to cover the cost to society...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think the biggest issues aren't about specifics, atm, it's about the purpose, role, and scope of government'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'would probably work out to the same situation though'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Big Pharm drugs you, and your tax dollars pay for it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Your solution is the status quo'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the purpose of govt is to do the stuff for the people that the people would like to have done, but can't do (effectively) individually'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think governments the world over have strayed a very long way from that brief, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yes, the government should fear the people'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Doesn't work like that now'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, most, sure...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the people need to exercise some wisdom and intelligence to improve it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people aren't bred for wisdom or intelligence these days'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They drug us and poison us so we're content with Kim Kardashian, sports, and game shows'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'See how it works yet?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you love the Kardhasians, DosseT'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Chloe is a man'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but it's real, that's why it's called Reality TV, right?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'with the number of people who have swallowed the lines of various corporations, believing anything contrary to that to be the propaganda of the corporations whose propaganda they have just swallowed... eh well.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi coughs loudly.
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, didn't Mr Bush say "You're either with us, or you're with the terrorists"?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i thought that rather telling'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'I believe he did. Jr that is.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Salraes: 'He was the biggest corporate puppet ever'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on my way home from work on Friday i was listening to the news'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they had an interview with our foreign mininster who after giving $8m of aid to the Syrian rebels said "It's important that we're not taking sides"'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Front page of NYTimes or something a while back: CIA arming Syrian rebels'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the very very next interview was with someone within the defence department, saying "This aid is important to let the rebels know we are on their side"'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Arm the little guy, overthrow the regime, install "democracy", import capitalism = country taken over'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'm especially miffed by the "global warming is corporate propaganda" crowd. Well, I guess most of them will be the first to suffer, regrettably, however fittingly...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'global warming IS corporate propoganda'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi coughs loudly.
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, prove that global corporations haven't made huge amounts of money off the back of global warming scare'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'prove that global warming scare hasn't resulted in higher taxation and higher fuel prices for the general public'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you do know that higher prices are the result of increased demand rather than decreased demand, right...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'global warming scare?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'higher electric prices in the UK and US are a direct result of price manipulation due to green taxation and interference in the power industry'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Huan: 'could as well be lesser supply'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing to do with demand'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'are you one of those people that says global warming isn't occuring?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly, huan'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for every country that hikes fuel prices, it drops for those who don't. At least until opec steps in. And they'd certainly prefer fewer taxes.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Sonshi, higher prices also come from curtailed supply'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Huan: 'climate change has been happening for millions of years, I find it curious that NOW we think we could stop it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure, but if you're producing less because of taxes, you aren't making more'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They're not producing less, they're providing less'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'To make you think there is a scarcity'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and the more money that goes to the govt from this sort of tax, the less other stuff needs to be taxed'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'What do you think the gummint is doing with this money?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Providing public goods and services?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the money they get is, roughly, amount they sell x price they sell at. They can stockpile forever for all I care...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'How is it that gummint spending exceeds that of taxes collected?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the taxes collected can go to reducing other taxes, providing more stuff, or reducing the deficit'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'all generally good things...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/08/120803-global-warming-hansen-nasa-heat-waves-science/'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'What stuff is it they are furnishing?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Dude, I have a degree in econ - I get the theory'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Look at the reality'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Why is our education horrible?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in reality, some combination of that has to happen...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Infrastructure falling apart?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Social Security not even lasting through its first iteration?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'too many/much tax cuts for the rich?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The government can just MAKE money, they don't have to tax'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The tax is just a motion to make you think things work theoretically'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you have a "degree in econ" you should know what "making money" does'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Who's the one making it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'A private banking cartel'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's pretty much also a tax, just falls on different people'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The Federal Reserve is not "the government"'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's a company - like McDonald's'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, if they were doing their job right it wouldn't matter'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so much for the dual mandate'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's not their job to "do right"'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the dual mandate is their job, and that's what I mean by doing right'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The Fed is a control tool - any "mandate" is simply a cover for its true role'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh no! Inflation might be slightly less far below our target. Even though unemployment is high, let's make sure inflation doesn't get anywhere near our target!'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There is no inflation'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's all white noise'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They're not here to do this and that to the money supply, or to inflation, or to anything'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the dual mandate IS their true role... the crap they do is humans being crappy humans'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The Rothschilds set up the Federal Reserve - "dual mandate" be damned'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Huan: 'redryn> http://patriotpost.us/opinion/14041   ... linking wildfires with atmospheric warming in the order of hudredths of C is really weak. And even if it was true, it doesn't say that HUMANS CAUSED IT, and doesn't say that even if we caused it that it wouldn't be cheaper to adapt, instead of trying to repair it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Everything has a plausible cover'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the sun is the core driver of our climate'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'climate change is real, it just has little to do with co2'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now POLLUTION'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Huan is agreeing with that Tigernuts person again...
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's an important thing, largely ignored by governments/UN'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and limited resources, also important'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the severity of the change we're triggering is as bad or worse than many mass extinctions in the world's history... adapting may not be a question of how expensive...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'prove it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're not triggering a change, 1.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and we already know about the absorption of low energy radiation by co2... if you argue that it has little to do with co2, you're better off arguing with physics'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the real clincher, how does giving money to Al Gore help?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm a physics major, do you really want to get into that argument?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the first thing you should do is go look at some graphs of co2 levels in the atmosphere over geological time'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, then I'm pretty surprised you haven't already done a calculation'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then have a look at global temperature over geological time'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you claim to be a physics major, yet you want to look at graphs instead of estimating the warming effect of co2 directly.?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and the recent change is a lot more rapid than changes over geological time'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is not'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's practically background noise in comparison'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the co2 certainly is, and if you've bothered to do the calculations, which you can if you're a physics major as you claim... you can estimate the immediate effects over equilibrium'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what equalibrium?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your whole argument revolves around some kind of arbitrary zero-mark'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Huan: 'you can'd to calculation with co2 only. Atmosphere is very complex system, and co2 is tiny part of it. If it was that easy, there would be no argument about global warming'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'see, you introduce an increase in a certain variable, and model the rate of increase in another variable over what would have been without the original increase'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Its a scam sonshi, so they can tax your babies.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heck, even if you use a conservative estimate, you can see that the energy added to the system isn't trivial.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no extra energy in the system'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'plants like co2 so wont it make a rainforest grow?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Huan: 'not possible, you will only see step one. You are right that increasing co2 will increase temp, if nothing else changes. You won't see that increasing temp will increase (for example) amount of vater wapour, clouds, and amount of heat reflected back to cosmos. Net effect could even be negative'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would had they not cut them all down, snooky'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the expected effect is a lot greater than the noise. We look at those charts because there are positive and negative feedbacks, and other stuff going on, so we want to know just how bad it will likely be...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Add to that the shit they're dumping in the atmosphere with chemtrails'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'is a "physics major" claiming that extra co2 doesn't add extra energy to the earth? Am I reading you wrong?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i'm pretty sure you all agree that global temperatures are increasing right?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'you can say shit on this chanel?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They are, but not for the causes they claim'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yes, this channel is curse rated'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'are you seriously arguing that co2 and pollution and what not is not causing the global temperature to increase?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's how disinfo works: take an observable fact, but attach the wrong cause to the effect'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'holy fucking shit'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, redryn, that's exactly what i'm saying'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'then what is the cause?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's systemic'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'fairies! In my socks!'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the sun'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'systemic changes aren't such huge spikes'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'and afaik there hasn't been any major change in the sun's energy output'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '"huge" is relative, and over what interval'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I read that our entire solar system is actualy heating up.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You read wrong...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sigh... if you're really a physics major, start with looking up the absorbtion spectra of co2...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I read wrong? So you been to mercury latley?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Iss hot over there'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'if the increase in temperature isn't from human activity/trapping more heat, it must come from somewhere else'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No hotter than usual - a change in the Sun's output big enough to change temps across the solar system would do more than add 1 or 2 degrees to summer heat'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sun energy radiation is not uniform, redryn'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'yes i know'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'but has there been a sustained increase over the last 50 years which can be calculated to be the cause?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '50?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i haven't read anything saying that'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's not even pre-Industrial Revolution'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Huan: 'for me, that "somewhere else" is sun output, which IS changing a lot lately. But I'm not physics guy, I'm more economist. Wherever it's coming from, trying to combat it with CO2 taxes and giving them to goverments is the worst way to deal with it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Try 100,000'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there hasn't been a sustained increase over 50 years'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also another hint... as the sun and the earth have different temperatures, their blackbody radiation spectra are concentrated at different wavelengths. Compare to co2...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's a real phenomenon that they invented reasons for to make money off us'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Nothing new'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'This disputes any significant impact via solar cycles: http://solar-center.stanford.edu/sun-on-earth/2009RG000282.pdf'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2005/'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And ffs, does anyone really think global warming being a thing is GOOD for business?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'that looks like a sustained increase over 50 years'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's great for business, vakiegh'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'If you the gummint'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lots of ways to take people for a ride'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Plausible excuse to rip off the sheep'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'great if you're an electricity producer'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Bitching about pollution has stopped more development than anything since the hippies'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Huan: 'vakieh> the question is not if it's good, but if we can do something about it. Taxes aren't good for business either.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'the first step is people to stop pretending nothing's happening'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody ever said nothing was happening'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'pretending we're not contributing to it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody said that either'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'When the finest minds this planet can produce cohesively claim 'carbon output is doing it', anyone who denies said claim without some serious evidence is just a moron'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Al Gore is not a fine mind'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The finest minds have always been proven wrong in the past'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Define "finest"'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Al Gore is not a scientist...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'why are we talking about al gore'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'finest minds in Vakieh's argument means "people who agree with me"'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And Dosset, wtf? The finest minds have always been proven wrong?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Stanford PhDs tend to rank pretty highly on my 'finest minds' scale'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '"Fine mind" is just branding to lend credence to the sale'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I'm sure there are Stanford PhDs whose opposing work is not in the limelight'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh no, gravity is wrong! All that I have known is a lie!'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi runs away in utter terror!
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if co2 was the issue, then they would be better off doing something about it rather than using it as a stick to tax the public with'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'All you have to do is stamp "MIT" "Standford" "CDC" "NIH" on something, and people eat that shit up'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vakieh goes to hand DosseT a foil hat, but sees he is already well equipped with several, stacked high.
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Read some abstracts of the trash the NIH puts out'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Reality is a cruel mistress'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Huan: 'gravity is easy to prove with experiment. Atmosphere is many times more complex, and impossible to experiment on'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'taxing emissions IS doing something about it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'taxing it isn't doing something about it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it isn't'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): ** For his interference in your cool story, you can take revenge on Redryn.
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'taxing emissions doesn't actually solve a thing'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'how else are you going to get it to stop? Ban it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Fine mind be damned, an experiment can be created to say one thing or another'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Case in point: 9/11 Commission'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'if you tax it, that will increase its costs and make other sources increasingly viable'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Look at the abstracts of the trash the gumment propaganda puts out; many samples sizes way too small, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'why doesn't it do anything?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a noble sentiment, Redryn, but in reality it doesn't work that way'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'how so'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: '9/11 was an inside job'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Taxed emmisions is known as an excise tax - it has worked wonders on many things before it, from tobacco to foreign labour'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Proven, repeatable results'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'actually'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'you should write a paper on how taxes don't actually disincentivise something'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'you'd win a noble prize in economics'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, because we know how good economists are'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(or get laughed right out the door, but let's not mention that)'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The problem isn't the taxes, it's the lack of subsidies'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'it's a pretty fundamental part of the whole field'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'perhaps they're wrong. publish a paper.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I guess Keynes was wrong, eh? Fuck, our whole boom bust system must not exist...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'keynes was wrong'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh boy'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'subsidies are just negative taxes'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'they work the same way'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'subsidies don't negatively impact the people'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You don't tax to scare people away'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'except they get your country in more debt'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Where does the subsidy come from?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You subsidize the small guy'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'The gov is gonna get us with derivatives'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'the problem with subsidies is you have to pick the small guy'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'people can't innovate'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The small guy is small for a reason'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people can't innovate'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now i've heard it all'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'if someone comes up with some magic way to get energy from sitting at a computer'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might as well just come out and say "you didn't build that"'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'they're not gonna benefit from a subsidy'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'until the government actually notices and says 'eh that's pretty cool, we'll subsidise you''
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'subsidise the small guy, and the small guy will never get big. Especially "great" for industries with economies of scale...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'as opposed to taxing the one way you want to stop, and anything new that develops automatically benefits'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'How are any of the big industries economies of scale?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You're talking theoretics'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Look at reality'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Huan: 'keynes wasn't entirely wrong, but he counted on responsible govements that would have ballanced account in the long term. Spend in bust, tame the boom. No goverment is doing that. I like austrian business cycle theory more, it explains pretty good how we got where we are.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Economies of scale are the reason for panglobal corporations'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You're talking theoretics Vakieh. Unplug from the matrix'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'anyway, the obvious thing to do with something that's bad, like emissions, is to just slap a tax on it and let the market figure it out'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There are certain pre-selected "winners" - the regulators choke out anyone that interferes'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they could spend a bunch of money putting solar panels for free on every single building'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The winners are fronts for the government'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Keynes wasn't wrong, he simply described the system that exists on its own - whether the government acts correctly on it is its own problem'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'and how will you know solar power is the best new source of energy?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'maybe it should be geothermal?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'but you spent all your money on solar now'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not, redryn, but it's an example'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'oops'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Germans have done pretty good with wind, too'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'How do you pick the best example?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'yea, and it also points out the huge flaw with subsidies'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Huan: 'except his name is used to justify policies he would never agree with, and didn't imply those in his work.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'you /have/ to pick who you want to subsidise'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'and do you really trust your government to pick a winner'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'or do you want to let the general market figure it out'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sw'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The government picks the winner'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the monopolies or the government, that's the choice you're offering'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're the same person'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It puts on its "Private Sector" shirt, and pretends to police with its "agencies"'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'monopolies of some alternate energy?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'fine with me'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'energy companies'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'that solves the problem of emissions'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually it doesn't'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'how so'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'jack up the tax until the problem is solved!'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because energy production inherantly produces co2'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'uh no'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Sonshi must love being dominated'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Wind...ONOES TURBINE STOP SHOOTING OUT ALL THAT CARBON!'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wind turbines don't make a co2 "profit" for years'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same with these dumbass electric cars'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'they 'generate' co2 because the energy used to create them is from co2 generating sources'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'when you replace all those sources with non-co2 producing stuff'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'they will not generate co2'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'different systems have different costs in emissions. Taxing emissions will drive production towards lower emissions.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There are no free markets'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You can't expect photovoltaic to suddenly become popular because of a prohibitively high tax'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'nothing happens overnight'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You are thinking in the realm of theory'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what it boils down to is: taxing emissions just enables energy companies to make more money off joe public'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Not reality'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Mitt Romney is all about carbon taxes'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'PV companies would get choked out by regulatory agencies'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'if tax money is going towards the taxed companies, you're doing something wrong'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Purely competitive markets and pure monopolies are theoretical maximums only, as any eco 101 student could tell you'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if governments wanted green energy, they could build it tomrorrow'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'no they couldn't'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes they could'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I think you may be missing the idea of a tax... see, a tax is something that a government collects...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '...and redistributes for the people's welfare'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They have no money, just redistribute the people's'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'except that's not what happens'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Redryn is trolling with the "they 'generate' co2 because the energy used to create them is from co2 generating sources" -- alternatives also do the same,  so irrelevent, (and hence 'trolling')'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The government IS the people, where else would they get money?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The government is absolutely not the people'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Who is it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree with DosseT there'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The Rothschilds'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not been the people for a long time'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The bankers'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'The Bilderberg group and the council on foriegn relations.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's a select group of bankers that have been collapsing nations to gather resources for hundreds of years'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'replace "collapse" with "manipulate", dosset'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'just look at the bullshit they pulled in Libiya'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'the reason governments can't just build green energy now is because the alternative sources are not viable'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wouldn't waste your breath'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'they haven't had the benefit of decades of r&d'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're viable and long-standing, when it comes to tidal and hydro'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'it'd be pretty dumb to throw a ton of resources into building stuff that will be outdated in a decade'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'tidal and hydro is difficult to scale up'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You have any idea the capital needed to successfully build and maintain hydro?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'google "Tesla ZPE"'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'the R&D was done 100 years ago'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'why should the government do what the market is perfectly capable of doing for itself? All they need to do is apply taxes...'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'few locations optimal for that type of energy'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'irrelevent, Vakieh'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Irrelevant? Where is the money coming from?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Not as much as our defense spending last year?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can hand the banks $700bn for nothing, they can find $25bn for energy'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's coming from the drug trade, child trafficking, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They can make money'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and what DosseT said, about wars'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Dosset is perhaps loosely paraphrasing from "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zioo" aka in this case as "the Bankers"'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Drugs and child trafficking hit public coffers now?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's their under the table'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Government theoretically only has money from the people'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'In reality, it has that, coupled with blackmarket sources'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They run all the drug trades, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I'd guess some cartels in ol''
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no different the UK's problem with housing costs, they could solve it in 2 yrs with less money than they're burning on putting in a high speed rail link that they don't need and nobody wants'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'mexico have some explaining to do'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Operation Fast and Furious doesn't exist'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'move along, parallel universe calling'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Intelligence agencies get the drugs from places like Libya/Syria (make sense now?), then delegate distribution to organized crime'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'They want us poor and without guns. FACT.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Organized Crime takes the hit in the public eye'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'certain types of people won't 'get it' until there is no electric, no jobs, no infrastructure'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Agenda 21'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the solar on my roof is producing more energy that i'm using right now'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the government offered a guaranteed subsidy generation tariff for installation by home owners, all fitted through small independant fitters'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the uptake has been huge'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'their only mistake was the sourcing of the funding'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you trolls are making Chemosh look good'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's your beef, Zade?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'GMO'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I bet we all ate GMO today'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Canola oil is gmo (from Canada)'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So inflation has really hit Ardwolf eh?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'blame co2, or terrorism'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: '1000 gold might as well be worth 1000 pesos! Am i right or what?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could argue it's a fiat currency'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well the imms make as much as they want'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'not to mention killing mobs pays you gold. I judge the Aardconomy based on the price of a TP'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only way to solve the co2 problem is to wipe 90% of the people off the planet'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i.e the Rockefeller solution'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'But they're not concerned about the CO2'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Thats gonna happen'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Happening right now Snooky'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'All the poison you eat/drink is rendering people infertile'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's pretty cool - they say this mayan calendar codex calculated that in dec 21 2012 the world would enter into hell or something, and the people who decyphered their calendar figure the sun will be in the center of the milky way galaxy and the earth would change it's wobble at that time'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then they say there's a gigantic black hole in the center of the milky way galaxy'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the bible says the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give it's light at the book of revelation, so that could be neat, even if it's the last neat thing ever haha'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a nuclear winter is not "neat"'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'entering in the black hole nucleus of the milky way galaxy is bigger than human weapons'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'scifi roleplay is on the RP channel ---->'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'jehovah's witness nuclear war is the end of the lord is on the RP channel too'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rhubarb'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '27% of households in the UK are now in fuel poverty as electricy and gas cartels buck the recession to make record profits'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thank carbon taxes for that'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/7/the-civil-war-of-2016/'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is it that Canada and Brazil both got beaten in the olympics by Iran and North Korea?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in better shape i guess'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you make of this Paul Ryan bloke, then?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I've heard he's a Republican'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly.
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't look like a constitutional republican though'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like a big central government republican'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's planning a balanced budget by 2040, which means he's accepting of a realterms devaluation of the US currency by around 80%'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If your balanced budget happens after the next election, it doesn't count'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'there is no such thing as a balanced budget\'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also something about democrats not voting for budgets anymore?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'state always needs 10% more each year'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you want to avoid a collapse, you need a balanced budget already'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'certainly the case here in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'a balanced (gaap) budget is hardly going to happen in the next 20 years'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not with the paradigm intact, guaranteeing to return one of the paid for puppets to power'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'except for whichever year social security/medicare/medicaid/defence spending is run over by a very large truck'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people in power won't budge, they're either too scared to act, or have been ordered not to'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people doing the voting are so dumbed down into believing in the limitation of the two party system, that nothing will change'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll require a collapse to force people out of the rut'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'This is not a Democracy At ALL'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Well no.  Nobody who has an inkling of what a democracy is has ever claimed that.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'It's been a republic from the start.  Democracy only works on a very small scale.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a true democracy is like God.  We have faith in it, but it doesn't actually exist.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'everyone should just get along and stop being ninnys and money and every other thing would be nothing'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I think social media has evolved enough to where we really could have a true democracy'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'and you think that won't be rigged to'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you want true democracy, you need to push power and responsibility down to the people'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the US case, that means the states having all the power over everything except foreign policy'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK, means having county-level parliaments'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'thats what Im saying'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what has social media got to do with that?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in the late 1700s, we tried that.  It failed horribly enough that we reconvened a special committee to redo our constitution.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'social media is part of the problem, not the solution'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'in the US it takes months for 500 people to decide on a budget.  you want to get 300 million involved?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you fail to understand what was written, or did you choose not to read it? :-)'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'each state/county should decide it's own budget'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it'd be annoying having to vote on stuff every day/week/month.  Many folk simply don't even bother voting now, when it's like once every 2 years.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'you talked about a true democracy.. that's not a true democracy.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i never mentioned 'true democracies''
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'that was me'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'if everyone was doing what they loved money is pointless'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but it's certainly true the the larger the democracy, the less democratic it becomes'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'humanity needs a new direction away from money'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'and control over others'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I love children, but I am definitely not going to try doing them.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doing children? are you a tsa officer or a policeman?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'hahahaha'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I was referring to the making-babies part'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'people get all uptight when you don't take care of the kid.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably best you don't, not like we need any'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'you can get AIDS fucking little kids'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I love children too, I roast them for dinner every now and then.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'In the USa it takes months for 300 million to decide an election.  And you want to reduce the voting decisions to by a mere 500 -- tsk, the arrogance of wannabe aristocrats'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'They are quite tender if cooked properly'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'alternate punchline: "tsk, the arrogance of some bootlickers (seeking the favor of the 500)"'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you think 500 can accurately or even remotely represent 300 million?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'democracies didn't ought ot be bigger than 10mil'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1 mil if you can help it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Huan: 'we have 10m democracy here, and it's same mess as in US'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're being screwed by the EU'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Huan: 'eu is something for officials to hide behind. They go to brussels to say yes for something, than come home and say "look, EU wants us to do this, we can't do anything about it and have to put it into law"'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'government by social media ?!? -- what about those to thifty and too smart to waste their lives typing inane opinions into handheld devices'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'the UN is trying to take over'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grenn: 'i Was Lon Chaneys Lover!'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well done'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the UN is mostly a collection of representatives from countries run by petty tyrannical dictators despots warmongers liars crooks cheats sycophants toadlings gredy incompetents and other riffraff'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'greedy incompetents -- at least they are incompetent -- if they were competent, there is a chance they'd be even more greedy'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Pro Jew or Pro Palastine? I think Palastine deserves to be recognized as a country. We only support Israel because we think Armageddeon is going to happen there.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'israel is another western mistake of the 20th century'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps someone in the US could tell me what their establishments utter obsession with Israel is all about'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they're like our little brother.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in the idealized classical western view, older siblings look out for the younger ones and it's particularly shameful when they do not.  I guess you could equate it to the East's honor system (honor killings and such.)'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i understand that'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but you do realise that the problems there are of our own creation'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there was land that whilst not peaceful, was reasonably so'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we go and "impose" a state of israel, and then over the following 60 years they go on a program of land-stealing and ethnic cleansing'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you expect the indigenous arabs to thank you?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i mean really, how dumb are you guys?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Iran wants the dismantling of the state of Israel. Instead of the American reaction of "they want to kill everyone!", a more appropriate reaction would have been "No shit, sherlock"'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they're atheists, and god's chosen people come from a region of the world surrounded by colored people, being white (but not white white), and white nations are seen as a menace to society unlike indian and asian and african, then they must have some kind of belief system about it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is that relevent?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't care very much about that side of the world, except how it owns everything on this side'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'thanks to the geologic record, God's kinda limited on where his chosen people came from.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're probably all racist, jews and arabs and chinamen and indians'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and africans, i guess they all got their reasons'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but white people must be multiculturalism or else the un will be crying'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's what the UN is about, removing rights from people'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they sure don't try to protect them very much'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'disposing of freedoms of speech, freedoms of thought, and all pretense of privacy'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'everyone's racist.  It was a survival tactic that proved exhorbitantly successful due to how resources were collected and maintained.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'those who did not have, attempted to have and sometimes were successful in the having.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'usually they weren't perfectly executed, and thus was born the idea of vengeance.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how does racism tie into Israel?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'ancient history.  They warred with the folk God said he didn't like.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and africans in haiti, in the papa doc JFK-voodoo curse administration, removed the ability of a half-breed to be a politician, so that's not only across the world from africa, it's just off the coast of america'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and they're not the native race of those islands i imagine'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not enough criticism is given to racists these days, when they have power'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ancient history they say, just 30 years ago'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and their investments as a nation and stuff'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's a one-racial supremecy chinese tibetan there buying up all western resources, are the other races gonna be ok?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, we're screwed'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we should thank our glorious leaders and their forebears for enabling us to be a generation of people who have almost zero chance of attaining even the basic parts of hopes and dreams and aspirations'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i know i'm personally grateful, i don't know what i would have done with a happy peaceful life that i had hoped for if it hadn't been for them exploding the world around us'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wish i could give them something more, almost my entire monthly wage packet in taxes doesn't seem adequate restitution'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yep, humanity requires conflict to progress and keep it under firm control of the people who cause it ultimately'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like that pearl harbour quote, the pacific is our "theatre of war"'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'pretty real kind of war to the people who are actually fighting it, but maybe just a game to the people who ultimately cause it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'population control is what i think of about it, where did ancient rome go?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rome burned'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Rome was (weakened and thus) destroyed by Christianity'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the propaganda that they used for the next 2000 years was weak?  i don't know..'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seems a pretty long duration for a peter pan story to brainwash the world to be a weakening factor'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then canada claims to be multiculturalism, democracy and things like that, but is there any race of people with a group like the b'nai b'rith, who are the jews exclusive, that approve every politician before they get their jobs and tell them what to do in 'memorandums of understanding' even changing the charter of rights and freedoms as they see humourous?  i don't think so'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know enough about it to comment on it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'could be though, every race has it's neo-nazi choir singing behind closed doors to the elected official'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it doesn't make any sense to me, to have a race of people meeting with every political option of the mindless electorate before a election, and then behind closed doors with the prime minister to sign 'memorandums of understanding' which undermine any awareness of the 'democracy''
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you're saying Iran have the rights of it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'racism is so simple. it is basically like when a stranger comes to your home and doesn't behave like a visitor. all of it started out this way.'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read about it in the news, then i read about 'ZOG' conspiracy theories and wondered, what if'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would be tempted to believe "zionist conspiracy theories" less if Israel didn't exist'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as it is, they clearly hold vastly disproportionate power'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the aryan brotherhood is meeting with prime minister stephen harper today to sign a memorandum of understanding about who is a race-traitor and must be punished in a court of law'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ok, just normal stuff'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm white and if i seen that in the news i'd question it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but since they're the b'nai b'rith exclusive jew club operating in a multicultural nation's parliament hill, it's beyond question or i'm a anti-semitic'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might be a good time to buy up some silver'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ok, so this group of people can only be whites, and is a evil racist war criminal, but those can only be jews and they're the representatives of jehovah'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but is the fish good enough for him?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh seems to be groveling again'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'one group is ok, the other is not, the nazi's are proof of that'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'evil white slave whippers too, damn it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nevermind that blacks do that to their own to this day in africa, or arabians, or that the gulag might have inspired the nazi's'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just doesn't seem very multiculturalism to me, to have groups of one-breed humans lobbying it's administration'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'unless every race has their own group listen in on the other'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'to other's though is no problem, like the voodoo dust on the serpent and the rainbow, nothing wrong with mojo soul zombies and stuff, it's normal stuff - it's democracy'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'did jacob make a pact with his mother, the devil - or was it esau who traded his inheritance for a drink of water from his jehovah brother?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some kind of family values he has'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that lord egan church of satan family values video could be inspired by jehovah instead of satan, who knows'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe jesus is esau reborn, and jacob's in hell asking him for a drink of water'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it sure would be nice if the sun got sucked into a black hole on december 21'st, if as they say on science that there's a gigantic black hole in the milky way galaxy (in the middle) and on dec 21'st the sun goes to the middle'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all the humans would be vacuumed into lord'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's be interesting anyways'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there you go you cocky fucks all crushed space junk never to be spat out again and stuff, right on'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'probably won't be anything though'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and once every 20,000 years or so the earth changes it's wobble, and that's happening on dec 21st they say'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe even the antichrist will celebrate christmas this year if it happens correctly'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if nothing else maybe there'll be a mass-human sacrifice of heart-removal cause the sun needs human blood to survive, cause people're paranoid sometimes and also like to kill'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then they can make some new hollywood thrillers'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the joker and the face eater, a story about alien abuduction conspiracy theories and asocial personality disorders'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'staring stan and cartman'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd like to see the phrase "conspiracy theory" banned'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's constantly abused/misused'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'morbid stuff but, where do you think jason vorhees and michael myers came from?  thin air?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'according to john wayne gacy's wikipedia article, those surnames were both involved in his life'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and we all know how they like to pickle his brain'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess to make light of issues like joking face eaters is pretty evil though, the crimes are terrible in recent media - but if you made it up before the media then you'd be ok, you can call it the return of pennywise the clown meets batman looking for some weed'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not responsible for those people, they're just another example of the general consensus of ordinary humanity to me'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is the general consensus of humanity?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they think i'm crazy, but they're insane'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i can't answer that, but i don't think the world is insane'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think the world is dumb as a box of rocks'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no?  maybe you're right and they're just dumb, looking for some weed or cocaine or whatever else, money'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'trying to be an american idol serial killer'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i doubt it has anything to do with drugs'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who knows, they released that movie about albert fish 'gray man or grey man' before that new york guy ate that boy walking home from school - never heard of if he seen it or not'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though popular media culture has a lot to do with it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'their crimes sure are similar though'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, that's what i'm saying, the media has something to do with it, possibly'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they rather censor people like me who point that out than pay attention to the media like joseph stalin watching for nazi propaganda'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you need to ask yourself who controls and directs the media'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'according to what i read, fox media was owned by a company 49% owned by a saudi royal, who might have invested 500 million in twitter, which gets people off of murder charges with mistrials and various other things like blasphemy in thailand and kuwait'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so maybe they have something to do with it, or they just work for somebody else'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well for the most part they work for someone else'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you watch the movie 'the killing room' , it talks about a group of strange people who hire civilians on government voluntary experiments and then kill all but one per group, and then the survivor gets elected to a new level of their training program, which creates terrorists in this mk-ultra experiment conspiracy theory'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'banned phrase alert'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seeing a movie like that come out, which feeds on several human conspiracy theories and puts them into perspective in various formations, what's anything i can say on the internet compared to what more people will have seen for entertainment?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unlikely to censor Chemosh if they are (almost) paying (various to train) Chemosh to say the ineffectual drivel'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'puppets that don't know they are puppets'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well puppet or not, i still need sleep'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the only thing i put on the internet is what abelinc queue's at the top of good search results from aardwolf's log index, with that arcane jewish upper level interaction with the mechanics of google like cheezburger, or what you all repeat to others'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and then it's you putting it on the internet, taken out of context of whatever you use it as an example in court for'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that somebody would take a program like twitter, which is maybe a million lines of original code, and invest 500 million dollars in it's propagation instead of hiring a team of programmers to make something superior, and it's social media control and blackmail materil over olympic athletes, is pretty weird isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i liked that movie the network from 1976 there or 1975, it uses the media to plant doubt in people over it's legitimacy'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i imagine most of the people on this game are like the people who get twittered'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'social science and stuff, ai tweaking'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'psychology '
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and lawyers who read through the twitter log files'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe a few cops but mostly the ukrainian kind, who torture 600 thousand people per year'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read on lasher's mudconnecter website that this game is a host for DARPA experimentation, and that's weapons research - so what kind exactly?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in the forums there, those were miraculously not indexed by google like abelincs NSA log files'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you look into just about any internet application you'll find some government connection if it's popular'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he said only on test port though, like they talk about on imm channel all the time'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what kind of weapon is this?  what system are we testing here?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this is some kind of defensive game'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i play with their experiments on another game too sometimes, they hire people to claim otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'human experimentation is against their constitution in both my country and theirs, and even when requested they rely on the unread privacy policy and terms of use agreement '
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess using josef mendele as a metaphor sometimes might be a little extreme though'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he did make it into a slayer song'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people think they're powerful until they're shredded i guess, and they all get shredded in the end according to the departures i've heard about, so it's just a matter of hate being their god and revolt a vanity as they're consumed by death like all of their victims'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's the real vengeance i figure, and it makes sense like not all of old yeller was rotten, but enough was that he had to be put down'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'good people on this world quickly become evil people or perverted, and good only exists to satisify the human devil'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who will never be removed from power as long as humans exist'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh loosely paraphrased stated "AardwolF is (was) part of a darpa project" -- that may explain some features of Aardwolf'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'FlowdraA'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yep, darpa money is tax money, and the majority democratically agree that various video game (and things like facebook and google) should have experiments ran in their collective background which they don't understand the purpose of, which are not the game they are playing'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'for who knows how much money, probably more than the average person receives in a lifetime of tax-wasted welfare'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'hundred or thousand, probably billions or trillions in it's history'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nice amount of money on something you're oblivious of isn't it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yep, damn social services and stuff or attempts at supplementing the employment and education industry with affordability and accessibility, or housing, wastes of tax payer money - but not ignorance'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nope, that's money well spent'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're keeping us safe from the them, who have another ignorance that they're defending again'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it'st oo top secret to let you in on it's exact nature, with your approval process'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'we keep you stupid enough so that such ignorances are beyond your democratic capability to comprehend'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but you sure make a fine experimental subject for the tax-payer experiment'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'tax payers becoming 'non-angel of death' experiments of the government that protects them from the 'foe' of democracy'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'papa doc had them convinced the west wanted haiti to be a disorganized slave-state, and possibly he was right - but he was also misappropriating aid funding from america according to his wikipedia, i imagine they use similar cult of personality tactics to remain in control of the ignorance'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know why haitians are so poor and stuff, i don't think it's very natural that they build themselves shoddy structures and things like that instead of decent dwellings though'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if china and russia and that entire half of the world is such a opponent to western democracy and stuff, then why don't they just halt all communication, trade and transport between the east and west hemispheres?  isn't that easier than keeping on importing more of their invasion strategies, and isn't there enough resources here that we don't need theirs?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'such important to trade various mendele experiments as ok for some kind of a something over there'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're just 'preventing nuclear chaos''
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or crimes against gulag humanity'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they're doing that, i'm not convinced though'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if the end result is everybody in a cage with a cattle-eartag and anal probe for security, because the terror comes from there, and that's almost a fate worse than death'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then what's the point in not getting the eventual averted?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you got enough nukes to destroy the world, and they do too, then if you told them to fuck off and get their dick out of your ass or you might be tempted to old yeller them, they might listen'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if on the other hand, you were the one sliding it into their ass and they were being anally violated by your alien probe, maybe you should listen to them'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't fear the world being nuked, it's rotting as it is'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's like cauterizing the wound'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'most likely already dead meat though'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'we can't halt immigration, we have to stick an anal probe up your tagged ear ass to preserve democracy'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's good for african infrastructure'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'at least 51% owned by blacks, half breeds excluded'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nothing wrong with that, but here's a black guy on my canadian television claiming the this is his wheat field, while mostly it's white people doing the production, so we'll see if they have white people claiming their majority black farmer's fields are their wheat fields too'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'probably not, but to perceive that as a form of racism is to be the anti-winfrey, so it's probably not specifically designed as an offensive psychological programming maneuver'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as far as i seen, africa has the natural resources to be self-sustaining of everybody there, and still trade with other nations - not relying on holodomor handouts from world vision charity's and red crosses, while their governments lobby the governments in foreign nations like canada for some handouts , that they place intot heir personal fortunes i think'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and what they don't know how to do i'm sure they could have learned 30 years ago or 70'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'where's the results?  they're less profitable than another 100 years of charity'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the average charity worker in canada gets a paycheque of roughly 125,000 dollars per year, amazingly enough - they quit their dayjobs'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so that's 40 80 120, 3 soldiers yearly wages'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and whoever handles it from there, they might get a little bigger of a paycheque'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there are insufficient resources in Africa to self-sustain a sex-obsessed overbreeding populace'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or alot, who knows - it's no original scam to ask for handouts for others and then spendt hem on yourself'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and people who verify , and even charity's who transparently operate, charities seem to be lacking alot'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'poverty, pestilece, famines, starvation, diseases wars, genocides, in Africa reduce the population so that they may be obsessed with sexual gratification'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they'll have a photo shoot, but they're operating in a region majorily controlled by 'the terrorist' who mysteriously targets 'foreign reporters of independent media companies''
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'coming to verify the good work that people became terrorist as thanks for'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'counter-opinion: "immigration must be halted" '
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it's bringing down your nation because they want to turn your nation into the land they came from, then i think it's good to be more critical of the type of people allowed in'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'do they want to spread islam and turn everybody into a sharia law here to be lorded over by allah, or maybe they're taking back the righteous spanish lands from the white extermination prospects'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or maybe they just want to be free of those kind of things and just want to live a ordinary life with others who want the same'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the British commited (further) genocide against the Fijians by letting the populace of India immigrate to Fiji'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(committed)'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so you think britain might be behind some of the immigration problems in the world?  better to change the world to suit the immigrants instead of have the immigrants accept the democracy?  like the muslim terrorists causing everybody to be on lockdown within their own borders?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not all muslims are like that of course, but they don't leave the ones who are already here, here who accept the way of life that it was when they came, and then critically consider those who want to come ?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i imagine they consider them all more now, but i don't think peaceful people should all have to be slaughtered cause of some assholes'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like their freedoms and security and stuff, so if most of those assholes come from foreign lands and their influence on yours, and that's what yours uses as a reason for it, then why not further limit that availability and then release the tension a little?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'until they smarten up'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think the people who run immigration should be able to evaluate people better than they do, if those kind of crazy people manage to come across so much that the entire place has to be on lockdown - i guess it's impossible to totally secure the borders though'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'unless the assholes are exalted by the powers that be to always be assholes until humanity is no more, then it's that old yeller situation'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some claim the criminals own every politician in the west, others might claim that the successful criminals on earth are products of totalitarian dictatorship and their gangs are part of the government, same might go for racists and terrorists and the ones they allow into the country to serve their foreign one, was it an oversight or just part of the new world order government?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like a citizen of this country being loyal to a foreign one above all else, is that somebody who's actually a member of your society, or should probably be in the one they're most loyal to?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'especially if it influences your politicians and laws and economy and things like that, would it be influencing it for their foreign interest or yours?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's the only thing that bothers me about groups like that b'nai b'rith and the various lobbiests in the world, like the oil industry - as though national security isn't impactable by a oil spill like the gulf of unemployment fishing mexico, so why doesn't your government handle all oil industry instead of greedy corporations from communist nations and (foreign nations) in general'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and things like this youtube mythbusters video about them being banned from showing how insecure and widely exploitable the RFID human implant chips are by visa and several other companies'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sounds like it might be something peopule would like to know, like how they can track your movement remotely following your cell phone or your car's computer'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this will only be in your flesh possibly'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and google would be driving it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like this: The vast majority of killings in Mexico have been committed in the northern state bordering the United States. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-19237915 should be alarming shouldn't it?  maybe almost as much as the 9/11 attacks?  and then Stephen Harper and the Conservatives lessen their presence at the border that they don't seem very concerned about in america, trusting them to police it better  -- just seems like a problem that should be dealt with somehow, and it seems what they've been doing for 30-40 years hasn't worked'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they probably wouldn't be killin people if they didn't have holes through which to operate, and i can't see america , who doesn't figure those out, trying to protect canada from it's own insecurity, but they don't care - it's national security stuff just some kids playing cocaine cowboys nad robbeers'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'here's a public statement of violent execution torture, the terrorist is across the ocean and 5000 miles of desert if you don't propagate my cocaine supply'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can't quite comprehend it, but i understand some people don't have much of a concept of justice'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'at least some of those southcentral american nations were trying to restructure the war on drugs so that it is less profitable than a legitimate life'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'resisted by america and canada of course, cause it's obvious that they don't have heroine for sale on every town in their vicinities'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so the war on drugs is a success, it results in legitimate business owners who killed some innocent people to get where they are, and monopolized every lawful life under them'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'probably them DEA agents only go after rivals to their boss, and scapegoats to keep up appearances, who their boss stands to gain more security in his enforcers through the sacrifice of, but who knows - that upper echelon program might only be isolated like those 1985 cocaine allegations i heard on a video from one of their agents'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people have no common sense, they prefer to live in a perpetual bloodbath in a land of plenty because cocaine is one of more than one option to afford to progress to any economically secure stature among society'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who doesn't like slaughtercults?  it's always nice to know that you're surrounded by people who'd kill you for a piece of your pie, and keeping them in czech through fear'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'taking away and corrupting all other industries but the one you excel in, so that the only option's you own, and the most profitable one kills them'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yep, the war on drugs is a success, the options are there, but they just refuse to take them'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cause the cops don't value their own security so they prefer to work for their drug-masters and all that kind of stuff, cause they get paid sufficiently to not be traitors to humanity, which has plenty of options to afford to live under the security provided by their police'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it wasn't for drugs there would be maybe even less reasons to arrest people, and that's a crime against the police who require criminals to earn their daily bread'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read that there was a war in 1848 or so where america took half of mexico though, so i guess they have their reasons for it - doesn't explain much of why america would be sending them firearms and things though, if those fall intot he hands of the people who cause it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess 60,000 or more times somebody went to the local gun dealership and said 'i want me a m-16 and a ak-47 for some good times and deer hunting and stuff', and then they went south of the border - i imagine they have alot of traffic and all though through the border, that much though is quite a bit'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'imagine if you were a lawful native mexican person working your farm or something and were armed with a machete or a shotgun and 10 guys walk up with some deer hunting m-16's and do whatever they want'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'doesn't make much sense to be sending that kind of odds south does it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'unless they're lookin for torturing the innocent'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'because likely innocent people wouldn't be looking to attain those kind of weapons in the first place'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'unless their enemy was already equipped, which they're doing in libya and syria and places like that'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you think if i went to a gun dealership in texas and order 60,000 ak-47's and m-16's for deer hunting they'd get suspicious?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no big deal, i'd like some anti-tank rocket launchers and 50 calibre sniper rifles too, for those easy prey'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i read on the news anyways, most of those weapons came from the USA'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and it's drugs apparently'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they don't give them fair wages at wal mart's detroit replacement of free trade agreement from what i heard, can't buy very much with 2 dollars per day in wages can you?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and if they did, then why would they send an american business south in the first place?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why does the value of a human life's effort vary so much from place to place?'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you're worthless, you're worth 2 dollars a day, while that man is worth 200 million per year'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the difference?  he's one of those special people who's neighbours fear him and you have the opportunity to work at his lawful place of occupation'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it's offensive to work for money when the people who own all of the occupations for it never did, yet already own everything you could ever buy with it'
T3/r7/2012-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i just look at that and i have a endless supply of hate'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How can anyone take the living cartoon that is Mitt Romney seriously? He's released zero full tax returns. He released an incomplete tax return for 2010 that omitted several key parts (Swiss bank accounts, anyone?) and an estimate for 2011 claiming he'll release the full 2011 tax return once it's available (sure, now that he's had time to prepare and pay all of the appropriate taxes).'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Meanwhile, his running mate Ryan Paul claims that he submitted "several" years worth of tax returns to the vetting people while being vetted for VP but that he will only make 2 of those public (probably as to not bring further scrunity upon Mitt's mysterious refusal to just release his tax returns).'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You realize politics is created to distract us from the fact that liberals/democrats are on the same team, and it's not the people's'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I don't quite buy that. Not for the U.S.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'What about Obama's fake birth certificate?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, of course. You're one of THOSE.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The U.S. is the HOME of the U.N.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You can't, as a liberal, bash on conservatives and over look liberals'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I'm unaffiliated.  Yes, I am one of those.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Just as conservatives can't bash Obama because of Dubya and Herbert Walker'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They're ALL idiots, and propped-up puppets'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I can't hear you over your Birtherism.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Omitting that example, Obama spent more money on war than the conservatives'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Basically, he lied'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'If I were a liberal, I'd be upset too'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'These people sell pretty lies to people, and divide them with Good Cop Bad Cop partisan politics'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'And yes, you're right, the neo-cons are no better'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US department of homeland security has just ordered another 750 million rounds of ammunition'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one big problem is they charge VAT on Silver'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops, mis'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's 1.4bn rounds of ammo US dept of homeland security to use on it's own people. more than 4 bullets per person in the country'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '1.4 billion rounds is to stop the foreigners invading'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what foreigners?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'here a guy in thailand shoots his secretary accidentally with a submachine gun and was too in shock to take her to the hospital, and faces a maximum 10 year prison sentence if convicted - then in the last couple years a old guy from america was facing 8 years in prison for blasphememous remarks about the king of thailand http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19247135 the people who represent the people have special privledges that prevent them from prosecution - that's pretty fun isn't it?  lucky cowboys'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's 'fun' cause maybe you have members of your own government who talks to theirs and does business together'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'could be an accident and not a display of power of some kind though'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the law means alot i say, cause if everybody could break it like the people who make it then the world wouldn't be as sheeplike'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's alright to obey the law though, as long as the law obeys itself - then it's done more out of common sense than respect'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe the colorado 'joker' should claim it was an accident'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wasn't an accident, it was deliberate'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and like i said about letting islam rule egypt, it doesn't look like it's shaping up to be any better from media reports - people should take note of what happens to 'what freedom really exists' when islam takes the reigns of a region, all friendly peaceful people or sort of like moses in the old testament with some cult of personality charms?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read about in indonesia and arabia and all kinds of places, where islam rules is corrupt eventually and as the ideological beliefs of some of it's priests take over, everybody not of their clique gets slaughtered'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'islam is divided into many parts, but the two major groups hate each other'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i imagine some separate religion and the world more than others though, they probably all do to some degree, but some of them prefer to mix them together to serve them'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'wouldn't that be weird if those idyllic explorers who tried to find a quick route of transport through the arctic were indication of why it's going to be melted by 2022 or so?  no more polar bears'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'we'll see what happens with that, greenland's 95% melt this summer was a ordinary occurrance last witnessed 125 years ago'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so not extraordinary then'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'building a noah's ark might be a good idea'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if there's anywhere left to float to'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does this usual but historically and scientifically unimportant event give governments the right to clamp down on land rights and force vulnerable old people to freeze to death and millions of others to live in fuel poverty?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they banned wood burning heat and stuff, just cause old people can't afford to experiment with the science suppressed by the corporation government doesn't give the government the right to kill them off i figure'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess there's not as many trees as there used to be, but in any stand of wood is some dead ones that look ok for burning'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they didn't ban wood burning for heat here, but they've had people, especially the elderly, dependant on welfare for so long that most homes aren't equipped with wood burners anymore'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wasn't fashionable'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'water shortage, and the oilsands in alberta are located at the mouth of the largest north american river system'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wonder, and food supply and stuff, well - i think most of these problems they invent themselves and then use as excuses to kill people'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well duh'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this whole financial collapse we see going on in slow motion was planned'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the global bankers even go on television bragging about it'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i don't think of anything to do with money as not being planned'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'an accident is accidental, the bills you pay for being fixed aren't'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i watched some of this movie about a us senator last night which was pretty funny, a botched assassination attempt on him caused him to be honest, and he said health care can't afford itself cause where insurance companies get 37% of every dollar of prescriptions sold, the government gets 8%'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can't remember it's name'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm not convinced that it is planned - politicians don't want to make unpleasant (unpopular) decisions, and that alone is almost enough to avoid a real solution'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'politicians didn't plan it, tinada'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he was talking to the people askin him and his political opponent questions, about the boss that they all share who pays them all wealthily to ask him questions and for him to answer them'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The eurocrisis may not have been planned, but it was predictable, and was predicted in at least one textbook I had to read for an economics course before the euro arrived'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why wouldn't you believe it was planned if they admitted it was planned?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seems like normalcy bias to me'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Depends on who was doing the planning, I guess.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I don't believe politicians planned it :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'As for the general heap of debt which, in Bernanke's dreams, we'll spend the next generation deleveraging, that was perhaps'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'not predictable a generation ago when it started, but certainly by the time Clinton was president it was getting more easy to see'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when was it glass-stegal was repealed?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '1996 or something?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'right about when Clinton was in power?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't he also push and push for banks to make crazy loans to people to buy properties they couldn't afford?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'depends on which part of G-S you mean, I guess'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for the love of any random god, don't let Obama stick you with socialist healtchare'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'healthcare'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Grenn nods.
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take it from someone who suffers from it here'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Canadian Healthcare is okay'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which just means i get to pay twice for every bit of healthcare instead of once'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's getting bad over here.  Our illegal immigrants are becoming illegal emigrants!'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Norway already has a public health care system which covers everyone, paid for with taxes, costs about half of what the US system costs'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'which doesn't make me feel any strong urge to switch'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because Norway doesn't have corporations involved in providing insurance'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that is at least 99% true :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now go look at what Obamacare -actually- is'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll see it's just a carte-blanche for a select bunch of health insurance corporations to set up a monopoly and fleece the taxpayer'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulworth there's that movie, funniest i saw since 'the network''
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Yes, but then it appears that "Obamacare" was written by clever insurance company lawyers'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'd bet money that Obama read less than 5% of it'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, and implemented at a state level by Mr Romney'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can smell the bs miles off with this election'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Network or The Network?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the network, a movie about a tv prophet who defames the brainwashing employed by the media'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the 1970s thing was just called network, I though'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'is on my to-see-list, but I keep forgetting to order it'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i pay around 20% of my earning directly to funding our social healthcare, and you pay for most treatments and medication on top of that'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's also... the waiting times'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'things are set up here so that they hope most people will die before they get treatment'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even worse for elective treatments'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada peers intently at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(for the elective treatments that they offer)'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if an insurance company treats a person they evaluate whether they'll make a profit by their life expectancy after treatment in their accumulated payments, i think'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for instance, i need to see a dermotologist, it'll be a 24 week wait'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I imagine it's more like..they calculated a dollar value for each year of life and then treated it as a normal optimization problem'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i see people who are legitimate being turned away by them often, even though they paid out tens of thousands of dollars on it'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'death panels are not a moral way of running a health service'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada peers intently at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'They are sort of unavoidable though. The entire political process is a huge death panel of sorts, as long as we have limited resources.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they spend billions of dollars here on beurocracy and 'targets' generation, just so they can prove to themselves they aren't doing a shite job'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'So you might as well have an explicit value'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they disposed of all that, they might have a chance of -actually- doing a good job'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but it's always the same when you get a collectivist system run by the state that has got LARGE'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'at any rate if you want to save money you have to switch some resources from sickcare to healthcare (ie. prevention)'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly the same problems you get with a capitalist system that has got too large'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well at the moment, much of the money is burnt'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the problem is not so much a large capitalist system as the fact that any individual unit in any system can be expected to be a selfish bastard'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and in capitalism this works out as (a) all sorts of tricks to avoid/eliminate competition, (b) general rent seeking, (c) cost externalization'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'everyone thinks 'they spend too much money' but nobody wants to be the one where they say 'sorry, but spending 3 million to give you an extra 3 months isn't cost-effective.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada meeps at Dispel Majic!
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'we say that in Norway'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'preventative, in canada cbc news yesterday they had an article 'wealth equals health' rings true, partially due to diet i guess'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'for incurable diseases, at any rate'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the issue with that, majic, is that they lie'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally think the NHS should be abolished and control passed down to county level (equivalent to pushing it back to state level in the US)'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also, 'they spend too much money' :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and abolish all the targets'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'funding as well? or still determined on a country-wide level.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'funding, too'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it's incredible that in the 250 million or so years of homo sapiens none of them developed a community where eachother knows their own greedy instincts and looks to avoid that in their own administration, like democracy'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's pretty obvious what happens when that's missing'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'heh, so any county populated primarily by working stiffs gets screwed as far as expensive care goes?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you guys want a competent government and an inexpensive competent healthcare system;  yet you talk incompetently'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'when did 'lets pretend you're not a crook' become the standard leadership resume?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and a contract of duration, at least 3 years, for your convincing charade'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah well, whether you believe it's an evil conspiracy, or serial incompetence and greed, or a mixture of the above, the fact is this: it's going to shit, and my generation is never going to be able to afford their own property, and is going to have no pension or healthcare in old age and will likely struggle or die in their dotage'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so golf clap to the generations that went immediately before for screwing it up for us'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'forgive me for being somewhat pissed off at it all'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Let's not be pessimistic, shall we? Look at Japan!'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll sit on a wall chewing straw while you all get frog-marched down the street to internment camps'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'In only 20 years, their companies have already deleveraged 1/3 of the debt they piled up in the 80s'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'japan is not an appropriate example'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '...so in another 30 years, they should be doing fine, if it weren't for the gov't debt'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts say "abolish NHS and thrust the HS on the lower levels"  as though the lower levels are going to be competent simply because they are lower levels -- those levels nearer to blithering incompetents blathering on debate'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'zade, the problem is the hierarchy, not the people on the bottom level'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It is appropriate, I think. Obama and Bernanke chose the Japanse solution - no mark to market, camp on bad debt, hope that inflation and earnings eventually sort things out.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'JapAnese..need to sleep'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'japanese debt is nearly all internal'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'usa's is not'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if jp morgan goes down it will take down the dollar with it'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there isn't enough money on the planet to bail them out'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and causing funny crowding issues and changed behaviour, and whatnot'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those at the bottom levels are likely to be even more incompentent than the hierarchy '
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mostly cause of the traits of leadership the hierarchy taught them about'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those at the bottom, zade, are the healthcare professionals, not the managers '
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it shows your lack of understanding of the system'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'right?  what makes a leader, not a whole bunch of people who can originally comprehend actual democracy and things like a self-sufficient nation'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the regional srtuctures are already in place'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's like people trying to look like their hollywood heroes and mimic their favourite gangsters and things like that, they're not the original , they're not trying to be themselves, politics is probably alot like that'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'why on earth would you assume that the most competent people are at the top? such a display of logical promotion is rarely seen :p'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the NHS, the people are the top are career politicians and career "management" people whose sole skills appear to be absorbing money for their own renumeration'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it were not for central government interference several ngo's and at least 2 tiers of beurocracy could be eliminated in it's entirety without touching the end result'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if HS were taken over by the lower levels, those are likely to be the town councils etcetera and not the doctors'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're wrong again'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would be the primary care trusts, that already exist at a local level, providing the general practices and outpatient clinics'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps an alternative is if doctors were promoted to the higher levels -- but that also is unlikely to work because those promoted shall also be corrupt or soon corrupted '
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the higher levels are not required'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'shuffling things around in the hopes that something may work rarely works'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Well, another issue with promoting to the higher levels is that it tends to go to those who best play the game of politics and not those who are the most competent.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you sure you're not a Democrat, Zade?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade  is not a republican
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you strike me as someone who loves beurocracy, loves "the power structure". Does that therefore mean you love being ordered about and told what to do and what to think?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'anarchy rarely works'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's an extraordinarily black/white statement'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'anarchy does not work at all -- they are too busy looting and pillaging'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's quite a spectrum between huge overarching governance and complete anarchy'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not actually against social healthcare, i'm just against social healthcare being used as a brick to bludgeon the public into paying a ridiculous amount of money for a distinctly second rate of health provision, and against having it be sold as a universal health care system that is free at the point of requirement, when in reality it's a very slow, very limited health care system that you pay for through taxation AND for treatment itself'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some honesty and transparency would be great, but best of luck with that'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Free at point of care isn't a good idea imo anyway, there should be a small fee (like 5) for visits, just to put a minor deterrence on 'I'm bored, let's go satisfy my hypochondria.''
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they came up with a different solution to that here, Majic'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'make you wait for 3 weeks for a GP appointment, anyone with hypochondria would have got bored by then'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that's stupider.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they teach people on tv about how they don't know what's wrong until they get it checked out and stuff anyways, 'i'm bored' isn't only cause of ignorant people'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, various colds and real illnesses get scarier after 2 weeks of being sick.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then they pre-prescribe medicine to people, like their health care professional couldn't have advised them on the product theirself'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'In Norway you pay about $20 per visit to a physician, up to a maximum of $300 or so per year'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, colds will mostly go away, but that encourages people to go to the ER if it actually seems serious.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Tinada, that seems reasonable.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'As a kid, I remember my dad's HMO would require you to pay $10 for a clinic visit, $40 for an ER, $100 for an ambulance call.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '..and general practitioners spend about 20% of their time writing reports saying "bob has a flu, so he can't come to work this week"'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hah :D'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Deny medical attention to welfare whores and their brats, imho, would cut down on healthcare costs in this country.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'everyone pays 20, or is it scaled by income?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps you've somewhat crudely stated what you believe you are against --- but that does not create a competent workable working alternative '
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in terms of organisation, i've already said what is a working alternative'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in terms of payment, well that remains to be seen'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I don't think that local control is a panacea either ... heh.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'both the price for individual visits and the maximum payment per year is the same for everyone'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think i'd rather see all heatchcare costs paid for and the tax increased to suit'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(on balance)'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just as the government's police are lobbying their way into the pimping industry, they want to remove health care for whores and their brats, go figure'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I don't want my taxes increased to pay even more money to welfare whores who don't work'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I have my own debts I need to pay, kthx'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they don't work because the non-welfare whores sent all their jobs and resources to china and mexico and other places'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and is that per person or per family?  Getting sick enough to go to the doctor 15 times a year seems a tad bit excessive as a baseline.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and family values/morality no longer exist'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and can't exist cause the non-welfare whores said they can't afford to be moral'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I don't care why they don't work, I only care that they don't and that I have to shell out to support them'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a "competent workable working alternative" is likely to take an educated competent "genius" decades (to even begin) to see (the problem and) the solution  <-- rambling conjecture'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'per person'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the other option is to make everything other than ER subject to full payment with a locally set insurance cap'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'why are the only options free or full payment? :p'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they aren't'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Maybe if we'd let the underclasses die off a bit the problem would solve itself'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why "let" as opposed to "make"?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Because it isn't murder if we let them die off'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Cut them off and let nature take its course'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'starling reminds me of josef stalin somewhat'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or that bernard shaw'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No need to get our hands dirty'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'others would say adolf hitler but, they preceded him by a decade or more'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'paying the first $10 of a GP visit, medication would seem on the outskirts fair, but what about someone who needs multiple medications for life? not terribly fair for them'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'might as well empty out the prisons.  Make like Texas and put an express lane on death row.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also Stalin was way better at killing heaps of people'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If they need that many medications for life, natural selection should be allowed to remove them from the population'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, I don't see an issue with a reasonable cap either.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then i wish for you to have such problems, Starling'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'clearly you deserve it :-)'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You and everyone else'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling yawns.
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, that's exactly what I was talking about before. '
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'don't you have 42 options with different payment systems already, so everyone can design their insurance the way they want?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just go to Canada.  You can get all your medications there for like half price.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'don't even need insurance.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're american, you can get a pharmacy discount card for free at www.infowarsrx.com btw'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thought i'd mention that :-)'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I just think it's messed up that I went to school and incurred debt doing it, and I now work, but I get to pay taxes while some slob whore who does nothing but squirt out babies gets a free ride.  Seems rather backwards to me.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, i totally agree'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i also see welfare dependants as victims of some rather inept or rather evil politicians experiment over 50 years'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you know you'd be whining about having to pay other peoples' taxes for them, even if (or especially if) they were making more than you.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'you .. need population growth?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'women are historically getting free rides though, their job is to produce children for the man of the house - who can't typically afford to be the man of the house in today's world, so there's more whores than otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but for every 9 online bingo playing jeremy kyle watching couch coverers there a 1 person who is genuinely in need of the safety net'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'seriously? your claim is 90% of people on welfare aren't deserving of it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '90% of the money, not necessarily 90% of the people'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'to a first approximation, it's similar'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I think the government should offer a one time payment of 5000 dollars to get sterilized.  People with no kids get the full amount, cut it in half for every brat they've shat or sired.  Cap welfare at the amount needed to pay for two kids, no more.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not even close'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and i don't disagree that's a problem, i just think the problem starts somewhere at the top instead of at the bottom'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'heh, there were huge cries of racism when a private group (I think california-based) was offering drug users cash payouts to be sterilized.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people don't like to think their own ignorance is out of their own hands though'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'many of the folk on welfare don't NEED to be on welfare, on the basis of that they COULD go out and find meaningful work.  It's just that what they tend to be qualified for makes welfare more economical.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hanslanda, but this is why i say that welfare dependants are as much victims as objects of scorn'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll try and explain briefly'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in this country, if you have a job and pull back median wage'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you cannot afford to live'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Prevention'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'headed for 50% of the population is on some form of welfare, many of them are at work'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'biggest issues being high taxation, high housing costs, and high fuel costs'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'this is because wages have been stagnant for the bottom end for the past 30 years'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'minimum wage hasn't kept up with inflation'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the american peace corps don't train americans who aren't qualified'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has here'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"free" and "full" sound as though there is "oomph" value in the demagogue - this debate is about "oomph" and scoring rabblerouser-points (not about saying something that may be accurate while not closing off plausable variations)'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think that was an alright kind of program jfk invented, but it's not very applicable in reality'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a number of "socialist" and "capitalist" policies caused the problems here'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and one criticism is: Positive Prevention/CRACK asserts an able-bodied supremacist notion of "value" by alleging that the babies born drug exposed are doomed to fail and the lives of their parents are expendable.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and welfare recipients don't have their cost of living covered as it rises, that rises alot slower than the cost of living - which members of parliament can afford at any neighbourhood in your country by a tax credit'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the minimum wage/welfare systems are unprofitable to dynamically reallocate, but politicians are profitable people to spend taxes on'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'welfare benefits have been, certainly of late, running above the rate of inflation'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'poor people don't have a strong lobbying organisation.. because they're poor'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'so, their voices aren't heard well enough in any debate about these things'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not sure their voice is relevent'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you think they'd say?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'i dunno. i'm not in their situation.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can't say i have a solution for it, i don't. All I can tell you is that it's a systemic, societal problem that neither of our parties here have yet understood, neither have a solution'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'there's a well known solution. it just doesn't appeal to politicians.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ideologically, i would like to see a simplified system where every citizen got a tax-free some each week, regardless of situation, and pensioners and the disabled got an additional sum'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'flatten out the income inequality curve. that is the best way.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you realise that's not possible, kraken'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'of course, actually doing that is both a) hard, and b) unpopular with rich people'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'and, as i said before. rich people do have plenty of representation in government.'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i wonder if genocide's what they'll resort to, eventually to happen again like that mayan time system, or if they'll experiment with society like they spend trillions on experimenting with disaster'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Venji: 'then who would clean the bathrooms?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what do you think would work for your neighbourhood?  your input is classified'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just like now, venji, nobody'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Venji: 'that's a harsh way to refer to immigrants'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so you value whores and getting intoxicated and living like a pig with no purpose except to do it again, what did you used to value before you became what you are today?  what changed your mind and set that out of your way?  or were you just born like that'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess some people have no time in their life when their world wasn't corrupt'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but most of them seem to value at least something'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whom are you voicing that to, oracle/'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people like crackwhores and stuff'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just questions that a psychologist might ask'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's probably something more valuable in life to some of these people huffing plastic bags filled with gas, than.. huffing plastic bags filled with gas'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it'd be interesting to know what those were'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'somewhere there must have been some failure of society that caused them to look away from being a part of it'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in a democracy wouldn't they look for that failure and try and figure it out?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're assuming it's a societal cause and not an individual cause'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it was individual i don't think there'd be quite that many'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nonsense'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nonsense cause the entirety of this reality of a 120 year lifespan human is contained within it, maybe some of those older people's worlds weren't as rotten though'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i couldnt' say for certain, but i'm pretty comfortable with the notion that most crackwhores and drug addicts didn't go through childhood thinking "when i'm an adult, i want to be an addict"'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'crackwhore itself is a product of the 1970's isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'prohibition and things and war on drugs etc has a hand in that societal problem, red light'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemoh is posting flawed drivel designed to attempt to inflame and discomfit, along with unjustified flawed paranoid portents of resigned doom to come -- and the drivel does not provide any indications of workable solutions'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'prohibition was indeed a great evil'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and had little to do with public health, either'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just like current UN-based prohibition laws'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the drivel were accurate here may be some entertainment value'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can guarantee, zade, that any opinion i have voiced tonight has been an accurate representation of my opinion'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but flawed drivel with errors -- ycch, depressing '
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'care to point one out?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if that cocaine wasn't so valuable, would that woman be a whore for more of it, or just be a addict?'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just an addict, chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's something about prohibition that i heard canada and america deny working around a solution for from a meeting in south/central america this (or last) year on the news'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'waa not talking about you, Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would be an addict with less need to rob people to feed it'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'trying to lessen the violence and things, they should also be making affordable living and ways to afford it more available lawfully i think'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only groups who think the continuation of the 'war on drugs' is a good plan is governments and drugs cartels '
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is telling'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, people who think of solutions to problems like the war on drugs are considered evil leftists by the KGB i think'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'marxist-leninist population control strife paranoia according to one video i seen'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't answer that'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like the government chooses the lesser of two evils in world war 2, they'd rather make drugs more profitable by securing the market for their not-boss and having them available everywhere anyways, with added bonus of increased crime rate for more procuration and supply and demand bloodshed than remove their value, as they say resulted in miami florida being the murder capital of america around 1984'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so they see what happens when the money's not flowing for the drug trade in miami and decide it's best to not flood the market with availability so that there's more whores or something weird logical like that'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'structured experimental solutions etc, alternatives'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'difficult for the inexperienced to answer flawed conjectures which pre-assumes a flawed dubious background as a deflection -- unless both the flawed conjecture and that dubious background are challenged'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm just trying to understand what's so telling about who's against the war on drugs being solved'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh is posting flawed drivel which is often wrong on several levels, with occasional bad grammar to obfuscate and hide some of the logic-errors and false-facts in the drivel'
T3/r7/2012-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Venji: '-20'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Some of the other women. all Muslims, refused to drink the water as it had been brought by a Christian and was therefore "unclean", according to Mrs Bibi's evidence, sparking a row. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/8120142/Christian-woman-sentenced-to-death-in-Pakistan-for-blasphemy.html so with the norm being that and even worse in muslim countries, according to the news, how come the world mainly sympathizes with muslims being regulated by the austrian government and things like that?'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sentenced to death for blasphmere'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'i recall a muslim woman recieving lashes due to being in a motor vehicle with a man that was not her relative'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and 150 years ago the russian olympians may have been genocided and things like that, but what of the non-muslim's, how come they don't see an opportunity?  russia was barbarian before christianity according to what i read on the byzantine empire'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, that's sick isn't it?  somehow acceptable authoritarian behaviour though'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'meh, it's their religon; who are we to judge'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'I imagine a muslim/islam must be cursing his head off when he sees the woman at beaches revealing their skins'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'women'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'while they publicly rape female protesters in egypt for protesting sexual discrimination, as a group of law abiding allahs?'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seeing a little skin at a beach and tearing their clothes off and fucking it seem a little different, but i guess they find offense where their inner allah wants some sugar'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'can we also not say the same for the Christains who abuse homosexuals? and it's not a little skin and you know that'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't mind regulating all religions'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they can have their bias and things like that as long as the law of the land requires they obey it'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that shouldn't be favouritism '
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'if you do that then you'll end up with protests. like the whole saga with the cartoon of Mohammed'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so what, most of them don't know what they're protesting'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and if they do, then they're trying to defend their rights to violate others'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sepulchure laughs out loud.
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'religon will always be about 'Us vs Them''
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'there can be no equality'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the law of all shouldn't be a tool of inequality though, if there's a discrepancy to common sense in it, then it should be fixed'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'the person in power will abuse his power and favor his religon, much like how the Romans did. you had to follow what your empeorer believed in'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'pepole won't ever be perfect and maybe what they create either, math is pretty stable though, but what they consider to be the law should at least try to be perfect'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'how do you fix a situation where one party says : " We have a divine right to do so"?'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so, put all people in the same amount of power like democracy, that can be moved towards'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'of course if you give one man control of them all, he'll want to make sure he always has a similar level of influence to veto their will in his favour'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'prove the common sense about this decision, and acknowledge the democratic arguements and show why they are false sort of government'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'you have a point there, though even a group of people would abuse their power (eg: The church during the Dark Ages)'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then have a vote'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it says in the bible isn't much of a arguement, was it the psychology of a man or of god writing the laws of the bible's nation?  '
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'common sense is relative word, we might not share the same cup of tea as to what is common sense'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they just consider it as a history book sometimes, so probably a man when moses says man can buy his way out of punishment if he's a master and not a slave'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'psychology of a man'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh is wrong, the world does not sympathise with the intolarant muslims'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i sympathize with muslims to some extent'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in their land, for instance, to not be muslims is to be a scapegoat or a death penalty'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so they don't have much of a choice in what they believe, and if they choose even the wrong type of muslim to be, the same thing happens'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but when they go to a land where they can choose and then try and take that choice away from others, i see that as a problem'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'islam is a disease'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'deport the muslims from the middle east back to the middle east'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i went to school with a pakistani named muhammed (strangely enough, just a normal name though), and one day walked home from school with him to his apartment, and through the door i seen his mothers hair - and that cause his father to become extremely aggressive'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i was like 8 years old, so obviously he's the type who would like canada to become pakistan'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not his son though, he was just ordinary'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then there was a pakistani girl in class who would pick scabs on her hands so she would bleed, wearing one of those head scarves she loathed everybody around her who had nothing on their heads, and knew she didn't fit in like that'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but i imagine her parents said that's how it is, nevermind the infidels who are your enemy, or similar'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the muslims force the females to cover themelves because the muslim females are eyesores '
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i didn't like most of them either, but i didn't have to wear a religious garment to school'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that was in fort macmurray alberta, where i grew up a little - lots of immigrants there working on their foreign oilsands projects and stuff, i hear it hasn't changed much from somebody who lives there - i think it's a consequence of allowing oil monopoly to choose your immigration policy, as they say how come you tell which muhammed is on the driver's liscence of the taxi cab?  they're all named muhammed and all from somalia - but occassionally even in those extremist mistakes, they have an ordinary kid like the muhammed i went to school with'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and not all muslims are lunatics with superstitious beliefs, and some keep their beliefs to themselves and aren't any more oppressive than a catholic'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or anybody else'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how did Sale, Morocco gets it's name?  i read on the news that it's leader's quite the tyrant, human trafficking etc, political killings, fears only Allah - alot different than the tourist attraction they make it sound like in hollywood'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sort of like cbc news informing the canadians that mexico is still a safe place to go on vacation at, with all the mass-graves and stuff like that, no problem - have a suntan and some beer, but don't mingle with the locals or your might never come back'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who wants to go on tourism in a place where the people would kill you if you weren't within the non-organized criminal resort?'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lots of people i guess, i even know some, i guess it's a nice place to go on tourism - the undertone's still there though'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'does the united nations monitor the chemical companies who flourish in mozambique, which has the highest mortality rate and lowest quality of life on earth, according to what i read?'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what kind of animals do they use to experiment their new products on?'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i imagine they do, i don't think their 5 member security council would see any problem with progress'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe it's not all that black though'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or evil'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'here they say 'genocide!  call to arms, we cannot let this atrocity continue', but in africa , they apparently don't have much of an advanced military like the evil military's of the people they're focused on, and would possibly be relatively cheap to avert in comparison to those other places - there seems to be something beyond the human suffering that they're interested in'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'according to what i read, africa has lots of resources, water and food and stuff is all possible, along with work and decent communities - but they let the charity's collect more money, use the taxes to fight against the more heavily armed devil's of the world, and don't explain why human suffering in a heavily armed nation is more relevant than human suffering in a place with maybe more resources to exploit and less amount of weapons'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'somebody's maybe not getting their righteous cut of the proceeds or immunity to local government'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'which they probably have in africa'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how come those evolution scientists will cordon off the serengeti nature reserve to preserve biodiversity and evolutionary expedition, but they won't even mention the albino white negro's being slaughtered for witchcraft in Tanzania?'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think that nature reserve is property of a austrian or danish person'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or is it something else besides witchcraft, like racism and black african denial of the white race?'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if there was an evolutionary link between african to white, maybe those albino's are part of it'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'could just be random though'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they breed albino lions so they can have some nice exotic rugs'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some people breed albino humans so they can have good luck in politics'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you're ever interested in some strageness, check out the remake of the movie 'The Fog', somewhere near the middle a girl has an episode of Jeopardy on her television, and the answer he gives to the contestants refers to a program called SWIFT which is genocide in africa'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why would they choose that event, if it was real, in a movie about a group of leprous gypsy's who were killed by the ancestors of the inhabitants of an island being the curse in the movie?'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://tinyurl.com/cu7y2ot'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an excellent article listing known false flag attack'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those are just the ones that are proven/declassified'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why exactly do the DHS require 1,400,000,000 rounds of hollowpoint .357 ammunition?'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Venji: 'presumably to ensure peace.. lol'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shooting up patriots and army vets'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's liberals for you'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'reminds me of WW2'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tempted to buy a coupe of ounces of gold'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only trouble is needing a safe to store it in'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Venji: 'don't forget the seeds/fertalizer :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't need those'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'When asked when the Romney-Ryan ticket would spell out their tax plan to the American public, they replied with "In the light of day"... after the election.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So... vote Romney-Ryan because Obama's tax plan won't work. But they won't tell you their own tax plan 'til after the election because if they do, it won't come true!'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I can tell you the plan: Lower taxes for the rich, borrow until country goes almost bankrupt, bully lenders to continue lending money because otherwise the terrorists win'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I heard that the solar activity peaks in 11 year cycles and tht insurance companies even build the peaks into earnings cause more accisents hapen in peak times ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'test 1'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'what level would be the characters of the lord of the rings here in aardwolf?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'like hm. sauron would be like t9+zillion'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'nah'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'lv 150 or so'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'maybe 160'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'sauron?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'yep'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'he was the main badass. invincible shapeless .. god.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'sauron isn't the god'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'well, no but'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caprino: 'arwen was pretty bad ass'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'sauron is just an underling of melkor'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'and i crushed melkor already'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'so he's probably like lv 160'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'nothing beats your sober logic:)'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'there's an area called angband already btw'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'you can crush melkor too!'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'but debating is about emotions, principals, convincing power. id say you killed the fake-melkor'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see that crazy Panetta person is beating the wardrums again'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what was the division of the nazi's who handled the labour death camps called?  the known gulag boss in russia has the gulag dedicated to that service'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Jan Napolitano?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nobody thinks of all russian military's as the gulag, they don't even think of the gulag do they often?  '
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'indeed, the first memorial to holodomor victims appeared in montreal in 1980's'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'oops, edmonton*'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they were pretty secretive nation, still are though'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whereas germany was proud of it's publicized gulag-equivalents and showed video footage of their actions'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Stalin himself was sent to Gulag several times before he became the leader over there.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can't go back in time and make sure that stalin and hitler existed in the first place, and then monitor their thought patterns of all of their administrations and their allies like bernard shaw, for signs of what really happened in the minds of their victims'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'You're not the only one who can't go back in time'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Venji: 'Time travel IS possible. I'll explain later.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'We're all traveling together into the future.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wonders why you're obsessed with that though'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think history repeats itself, and what they don't mention seems too large to miss'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you've got fema camps being set up in the USA ready for all the republicans'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's capable of it anyways, like i'll have another smoke, even though it kills me and tastes like shit, i'm calloused to death'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so what, addictions come in many forms'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps i'd best rephrase that, for all the army vets, patriots, constitutionalists and libertarians'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what's that farm bill they're talking about?  Is that the one that buys up all the livestock farmers can't feed?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'according to bbc news, in 1990's 600,000 rwandan's were murdered in 100 days, and their killers weren't punished - that'sw hy i mentioned the scene in the movie 'The Fog' (remake), it mentions genocide in africa strangely out of context of the rest of the movie'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so who planned that to happen like it did?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's quite a few people, 6000 homicides a day'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or 600 which is it'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i've killed maybe 80 chickens in a single day when butchering, i imaginet hey had more than 1 person handling that'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the intelligence services in my glorious country have dictated that anyone who doesn't use Facebook is a potential terrorist'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which of course means that I've just deleted my account in protest'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '6000 a day, but that's assuming a constant death flow.  Since everyone has to get around and round folk up and organize shit, they probably killed more less frequently.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just facebook?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is the only social media i had, evne though i rarely if ever used it'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'cool, we're in the clear then.  Back to touting the rout, boys!'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you were aware that they Facebook were working with a variety of governments for the facial-recognition login system'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tying it into advertising and special offers with corporations'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yep, and did you know Google's doing the same things?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep, which is why i refuse to use google for personal use, either'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Google's far more worrisome, because they power just about anything online now.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Google and Facebook are largely directed by the same people'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they were both funded startups by the same people'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'doesn't even have to be a google product.  Almost everyone has this aversion to reinventing the wheel, so someone comes along with a really awesome thing that does what they're looking to do and they use that instead.  Google's moreorless a classic virus now.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think it's a staggering miscarriage of justice that Google were only fined $27mil for stealing peoples passwords and invading peoples' privacy'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people should have been jailed for it'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'facial recognition system testing could be used on something like DoDAAM's automated gun turret system that distinguishes targets using ai'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the surveillance grid that they've set up here, and are setting up in some major US cities'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what makes you think it's not already?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'apparently on bbc news article 'robot south korea prison', america has that in 3 of it's universities, and maybe exported to algeria too.. the technology , maybe not the concept of automated security checkpoints'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shouldn't be having security checkpoints at all, much less automated ones'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'If they're just now deploying it in the civilian sector, it's a safe bet they've had it for the past 25 years in the military/intelligence sector.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'DARPA maintains proofs-of-concept out to like 50 years'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'machines don't care about what they kill, humans are more reluctant, like that iraqi general in texas seemed to be'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ordered to do something against his own understanding and belief'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hard to worry about it, when people refuse to accept the obvious, you realise you've got bigger more immediate problems'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'machines understandings are just math problems'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'everything is a math problem'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everything is not a math problem'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'getting people to realise civil liberties and freedoms, privacy, and freedom of speech are kinda vital'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not a maths problem'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people don't see an issue with governments recording everything you say and do on the internet and trawling it for possible infractions'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or that government is planning legislation to require everyone to have a unique internet ID so that their activity can be pinpointed and any trangressions punished with permanent exclusion from the INternet'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that they will tax all internet traffic'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but that's ok, you have nothing to hide, and besides, don't run - government is your friend!'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the same government that hires paedophiles to do strip searches at airports, has lesbian bondage rings at the very top of the doj, and covers up the pimping of children in penn state uni, rewarding the cover-upper with a cushy government job'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing wrong there'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'normal acceptable behaviour in a modern society, right?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you forgot the ACORN nuts.  How to claim taxes your child prostitutes, according to government-funded agencies.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'makes me permanently angry to think about it'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'normal is what you can get away with, not what you think most members would do.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't help'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'when Tigernuts said there is "nothing wrong there", then the above was obviously "praise and admiration" for the government'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was sarcasm, wouldn't expect you to get that if you're american'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not only trawling it for possible infractions, once the law changes then they'll bring up things not illegal in the past but stored in a database for the future law'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'internet's only about 17 exobytes large, and they have computers now that can address more than that much memory'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and discovering context costs too much money probably, this is a great tool for discovering foes of stalin's grain'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they spend more money policing people's opinion's and powerless expressionisms than they do on making the prison system inhabitable even for the children of the rich, shows where their priorities are to me'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and all these background experiments, need scientists to monitor what science people don't know is happening, and eyes to watch what's going on with it, they thought they were just playing a game.. little did they know uncle sam had a few millions invested in watching the participants'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know about all that, republicans seem to like to cut social services, but claim democrats like to make flawed systems of social services, save some money and cut social services or maybe cut something else?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'id still like to see the report on where all that money canada donated to somalia went last year, they doubled the donation of any canadian citizenship (which corporations are individuals possibly, and dual citizens etc, gaddafi's son owning condo's in toronto) who donated money to them through a charity with taxes'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'reading in the comments on a 2 mil aid to syria, some figure it's a CIA front for rebel funding , could be - then why not explain the dynamics to the democracy tax-payer who's money's being misled to medicine for refugees and instead going to armed combat'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'a "bill of attainder" is illegal in Canadian Law with regard to acts done before those acts were declared illegal'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's pretty good then, it seems the government can overthrow their bills and legislations and constitutions at will though'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Chemosh is incompetent at rabble-rousing  (but maybe that is the intention -- incompetent inept agent-provocateur toadling)'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i just know that somewhere along the line i'm talking to the people i consider, and asking them what their game is all about - i don't expect anybody to follow me or anything like that, otherwise i'd be more weary'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'yep, toadling Chemosh said "the government can overthrow their bills and legislations and constitutions at will" -- traitorous toadling selling out civil rights '
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's an expectation of mine, not guaranteed but still possible - like they find an american citizen in thailand writing blasphemous remarks about the king through his cell phone, sentenced to 8 yeras in prison - but a politician accidentally shoots his aid with a submachine gun in the gut and is too in shock to take her to the hospital, so he faces at most 10 years in prison'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm sometimes considering the kind of priority they staple to their own ego and that they staple to human life (with a stapler)'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or a few years ago a man in kuwait said a controversial sharia opinion of his in the newly death penalty blasphemy sunni government, which then tried to kill him for the evidence collected before the change of law'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'do not listen to Chemosh (the language of the toadling is a bad sellout)'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not sharia, what are they called, sunni.. not sufi but that other one'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'staplers are weaksauce.  Better to do it with a nailgun.  Use small enough nails and the other guy's all "Oww! What the fuck did you do that for?!" instead of dropping dead because a metal spike just thrashed part of his brain.  And, if the guy then decides to attack you, he's unarmed and you've got a ranged weapon.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'selling out civil rights?  it was in the canadian law that the canadian wheat board can't be dismantled without the approval of a majority of it's representatives, and they had over 60% say no to dismantling it'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no doubt, it was me and not the government, all my fault damn'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then the supreme court sees the side of the civil liberty's and law written there'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's 'mindless electorate' as they say on canadian business politics on ctv news'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'otherwise they might be in danger of being a anti cult of personality member of government, which is against the law according to an article issued about the canadian environmental agency and civil servants'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not even on their own free time can they not support their democratically elected government, with a large amount of allegations of vote rigging'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even if they voted for the other guy, like some of the taxes that pay their government paycheques did'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and a us marine being dishonorably discharged from 9 years of serving his country, for placing his opinion of obama on his facebook page'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'isn't that a bit odd?  '
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i bet he took most of his orders too'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'facebook is obviously a classified military operation that has nothing to do with non-government interactions'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'watching for terrorist threats and dissent is important, but what constitutes either?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they'll add to that as they see profitable'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'were you on my friend list boss?  then how come the court allows you to use what you read against me?  does facebook secure my account from unwanted eyes by default, or does the majority unignorant have to set that up themselves, and even that's out of reach?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'some of the "damage" is done by by esl-esque toadlings that "affirm the evils" (with extrapolation, and in false sarcasm) instead of using proper language to (criticise and) dispel the evils'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'did you have a search warrant at the time you read these posts, boss?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how did you know where to find me?  is the engineering of consent privacy policy explicitly upholding of my anonymous liberties, or do i have to read the fine print and criminal code?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're posting things to the world on the Internet and you expect someone to need a search warrant?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'how did they know where to find you? the entire POINT of facebook is that you're advertising yourself to be found'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this world here is composed of 500 characters'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'most of which are on Facebook. :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if you don't even comprehend the point of facebook, then you've lost the case already'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if you post a blog on blogger, wordpress, etc, it'll be visible as well. Why only harp on facebook?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why have government agencies dedicated to expounding every interaction of humans with the internet?  and why do they make little quirks like, until recently, the ignorant laptop user could be viewed remotely by any webserver hosting a flash application'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the government obviously does it's job when people don't know about them breaking the law'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'where was macromedia's search warrant i wonder'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'You could ALWAYS right-click and turn off Flash's access to webcam/microphone.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'hey stupid computer user, buy a computer it's fun, everybody's doing it'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no search warrants required access to every detail of your existance'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm talking to you, no no, i'm talking to your friends on facebook'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the kgb and cia and mossad and whatever else stasi, the pap test police etc'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'You know, I'm surprised you stick around this game.  Sorry, this DARPA-sponsored weapons research text... thingy.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm too boring for them though, thankfully'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'You'd think a man of such keen intellect would choose a game with less military involvement.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'until recently, it was on be default, and to turn it off you had to visit advanced options on their website'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'could always, like they bring up what i say now tomorrow, they break the law then and change the defaults now'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see, nothing to see here, we're good people'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'an interesting "Darpa-esque" project may be to convert the language of complainers to a language of praising the government -- somewhat worked with Tigernuts and Chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in service of my country, 'true patriot love, in all thy sons command''
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'anybody else see a problem beyond non-kamikaze warfare in the governments of the world not addressing the 'where is the arctic ice' kind of problems and pollution that apparently exists in the world, seriously?  money's such an object that they make more if it from separating a cell phone, a laptop, a video camera, a still image camera and a gps device, for instance, but they prefer to competitively bundle it all into one gadget'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so what kind of excuses do they actually have, money being no object, for not experimenting with the alternatives that scientists and entrepeneurs have discovered?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'apparently in the 1950's they had electric vehicles that could travel 50 mph, which wasn't too far off of the gasoline engines typical then'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that new york lightbulb, burning for over 100 years now, thought of changing this one i have 4x - they make some alright brands now though'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is gold really more important than the water table the people rely on for life?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in some places that seems to have been an issue, like mexico and argentina'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what's the seagal movie where they're dumping toxic waste into the mountain river system'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'fire down below or something'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there was no arctic ice sheet as long as i've been alive, it's a relatively expendable natural phenomenon, which has nothing unpredictable about it'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Chemosh is wrong on arctic ice (which is not "expendable")'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in as little as 10-20 years they expect there to be 'one whole day' of an iceless arctic ocean'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'heil der panzerprogress?  stalin's reformation of nature'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know, i try and make fun of it anyways, even though it's not very funny'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Canadian anti-smoking advocates urge plain packaging laws http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/08/15/tobacco-plain-packaging-laws-canadian-reaction.html '
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Tobacco companies say current labelling laws infringe on rights  -- kind of serious i guess, but the rights of the tobacco company and government's indication that it's a plant and not the chemicals and things added to it that kill people seem questionable to me'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you mean doubling the dosage of 'toxic constituents' doesn't result in a increased mortality rate japanese 2005 study handed to congress in america, who deliberated it for 5 months before passing it into effect, according to nihl.gov - has nothing 'jim jones flavour aid' cult leader to do with it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yessir, smoking kills, not giving specifics on that one'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they wouldn't be killed as fast if they didn't poison them to death'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'current laws on restricted controlled substances also infringe on rights - so what'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'isn't there a difference between controlled substances, and adding cyanide and things, in double dosages (2005) to consummable products sold to the public?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you're allowed to go around and say you died cause you drank water, instead of cause i added this to the water, then what aren't you allowed to do?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'population controlling canada and stuff like that, it's smallest population on the largest area of land obviously requires subversive merdger techniques'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then if tobacco companies were actually competing with one another, maybe one would point to their product and say we didn't lace this with double dosages of non-mortality rate death'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'your death will be purely because of a biologically produced plant on fire or in your lip'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'at least they're trying to horrify some people away from it, but the question remains of why they don't explain to the public these things'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how come jim jones was a bad cult leader, didn't he practice the darkness of suicide as a group with his cult members?  they never knew if there actually was poison in the drink'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they died of something  :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''i'm the government population controller, killing people through their own free will, because tobacco products result in death and i just made that more real' fear my pictures as i sell you the death'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know, what're they up to'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'not sure what you are moaning about -- the labeling or the contents or the lack of competition (seriously, you saying you want them to compete (instead of going bankrupt) - sick) -- changing topics too fast -- (seems you are suffering from verbal diarrhea caused by lack of answers)'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'while it might be of some curiosity what killed them, it really makes no difference to the dead.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they were competing then they would be trying to make their customers live longer'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'why? people breed like rabbits :>'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not cause a japanese congressman in america said doubling the dosage of cyanide and strictnine or whatever kind of radioactive lead 235 they put into tobacco doesn't result in increased mortality rate, we should go with the standard industry'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Chemosh praising Jim Jones -- that is a low'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not praising him, i'm comparing him to this government phenomenon, they see similar'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'nope, dissimilar'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how do you find them distinctly different?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Chemosh, seems drugs and alcohol fried your comprehension'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'personal insults is why they're different, amen'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i must be on the mk-ultra lsd project'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'it's called Mockingbird...'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'chemical warfare on their own citizens, isn't that odd'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or is cyanide and things added to tobacco, that is the real killer, not considered tools of the trade?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is obvious that there was more to the Jones incident that they are letting on, had he not died (and I have no proof of that) I would have thought that it was a plot to get rid of  a senator...'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and tobacco companies, they're competing for more greedy money, so they kill the people who give it to them?  interesting japanese consensus on mortality rates deliberated for 5 months, now the standard on whatever smokes you may see in the store - compared to that same brand from 8 years ago or so'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i bet you all know at least one person who smokes cigarettes'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the (republican) congressmen in the USA are blatant liars -- the japanese congressman is also a liar -- the "japanese" part does not justify the lies'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'isn't it a bitch that, it's a tobacco plant and not the government that maybe their real killer?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they did it themselves, you can buy rat poison in the store, they just added it to tobacco.. every single brand'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'kill the smokers faster -- that is a good policy '
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why is that?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Chemosh, aspartame is rat poison'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what do you see wrong with inhaling smoke from a plant that grows out of the earth?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cyanide used to be too'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It tastes good and fills you up, so you don't eat nutrients'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Cyanide is just the anion CN-'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The goal is to fill food with GMOs and aspartame so you eat, and yet still starve'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'something punishable by death, for some unperceived concept of god of yours, or eugenics evolution theories/'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It causes hosts of health problems, which carries the whole insurance complex and Big Pharm'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there used to be a forest and smoke was inhaled from it's burning, now that all the trees are gone, we are pure breeds'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so smoking doesn't make all the sense in the world, which is a machine of hell, which causes people to cope with stress somehow, and smoking is one of those'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the secondhand smoke pollutes others nearby -- smoking kills, so smokers are murderers and thus smokers deserve to be euthanised asap'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that means the government should kill them through their own habitual coping mechanisms?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brave New Soma: 'drivers kill too'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'what if there are no others nearby?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'as a nonsmoker, i "cope" with stress jut fine -- in fact there is no stress here, or minimal stress, ah no stress   '
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'healthy body, healthy mind, and no stress'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'really, was it tobacco from the secondhand smoke mostly, or what was added to it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Not really Zela'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Your food, water, and air are all poisoned'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Even if you don't deliberately poison yourself'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the competitive tobacco industries should have been evaluating their market strategy's if less deadly second hand smoke was a factor'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'you can have a healthy body and be mentally ill'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Dosset is a liar'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Strong denial'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'read about Monsanto and Bill Gates buying all the seeds to lace them with termination genes and GMO'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'read about water fluordiation, chemtrails, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zomfg Zoranth: 'eat a paleo diet'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Raw/paleo does help mitigate cell damage'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'and all those additives are not as annoying and as dangerous as secondhand smoke'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Second-hand smoke can be avoided by...exhaling and not breathing'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'really, what makes second hand smoke dangerous then'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the toaster?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Canola oil is a gmo success story'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yea'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'All our shit is poisoned.  Plastic has BPA, lotions have parabens, list goes on...'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so if all our shit is poisoned, then why doesn't the population of victims vote 'no confidence' in the people who made it so, including themselves?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'and yet secondhand smoke is far more dangerous (and annoying!)'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'howver much of a percentage of control a individual has over their own contribution to toxic society'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I agree with you Zela, but we can avoid it'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Chemosh, the newest generation is so poisoned by vaccines and shit right following birth, that their cognitive functions are impaired'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Basically, they dumb you down when you're born so you never see the Matrix'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'not do simple if the arsehole upwind is smoking in his house'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'if the guy farts in his house, the smrll carries downwind'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'fan the "chemtrails" away'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'do you drive a gas fueled car?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'and there are patents for that'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read in the legend of heru behutet, that the referred to 'the west' as the land of the dead, even maybe 3500 years ago - i wonder why'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'or use coal generated electricity?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i imagine their west was maybe a little different though'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'if so youre a hipocrite, but i can agree that subjecting people to secondhand cigarette smoke does make you an asshole,'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof -- do not add to the evils"'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'when i'm around children or non-smokers, i go away from them when i smoke cigarettes, even around smokers i go out of my way to not blow it into their face'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'some people rely on wood burning stoves to survive, and they get lung cancer as well'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'no they don't'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i also conceal my cigarette so that children don't subliminally 'monkey see, monkey do' accumulative from my contribution'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The ash is carcinogenic...empty the damn stove'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yea i dont smoke in front of kids, even around a campfire, '
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the amount of pollution from woodburning stoves is likely miniscule compared to the damage a chainsmoker does'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'not if you use one everyday, to cook like many third world nationals'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'e-cig it up to avoid the tar and additives'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'if you are subject to a smoker in the house, im not defending them though, that is very wrong imo'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'this is pre-assuming properly burning woodfueled stoves -- not the horrid polluting stoves'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if i would have had kids i probably would have abstained from smoking and other similar caveats while they grew up, most parents don't though'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'otherwise i'd see myself like i seen my parents, i'm doing this, don't do it cause it's bad'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'society kind of nuked the line of right and wrong in the last 20 years though'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'things just seem alot different than my growing mind remembers them'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's not society - society just follows the programming'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'society is far more educated these days -- right and wrong far more advanced'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Dunno about that'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'sucks to be uneducated'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'We hit the apex - now we're on the downward part of the sine curve'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Dosset is deluded'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Turn a TV on for 5 minutes'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Illuminati-saturated music videos, Kim Kardashian, 16 And Pregnant'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Those are the values inculcated to the new generation'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Instant-gratification, don't work, expect instant limbic positive'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'pleasure = good, hurt = bad'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'TV crap is not where the advances are'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They're reducing us to our animal instincts'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'A 6 year old doesn't know any better'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'We can watch it and see it for what it is'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Dosset is a troll'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Strong delusion'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Go look and see what 8-14 year olds kids do nowadays'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'ain't playin Barbies and catch'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he drank Chemosh's koolaid'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'what a horrible koolaid.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it packs a punch'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There's a focal degradation of society, and it's turning people into pleasure-seeking animals.  Why? Just give them TV and McDonald's and they're satisfied'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The scholastic level of...everything...has fallen notably in just 2 decades'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '"There will be, in the next generation or so, a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude, and producing dictatorship without tears, so to speak, producing a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them, but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda or brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods. And this seems to be the final revolution."'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, it seems plenty of people think they are smart, and maybe they are in their own ways - or actually are, but often they seem to not have much insight into their beliefs like real education and things should be giving them'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '-- Aldous Huxley  - Yes, the Tavistock agent that wrote Brave New World'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read of a nerve agent conspiracy theory, that i looked up on nihl.gov, where the government actually hired civilian couples to attend a experiment, where tehy were administered this substance, and made to watch their significant other being humiliated and tortured, evaluating whether their response was sharper or duller compared with pain to themselves'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'sounds neat.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the conspiracy person obviously seen that it was real before mentioning it, and i looked it up and it seemed like the kind of science people remember 'josef mendele' for performing'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess they have their reasons for it though, and maybe they're not quite that evil'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '"Milgram Experiment"'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'people cede to authority over whatever ostensive morals they hold'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'perhaps "Aldous Huxley" in bookform was the forerunner of the crap seen on TV these days'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think a persons morals and beliefs are pretty important, authority should be accepted by their real ones in a democracy'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Foreshadowing, Zela.  It's all a plan they've been bringing into action step by step, over decades'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's predictive programming'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Chemosh is incoherent again'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you don't agree that the authority of a democracy, should be democratically agreeable with it's members own values?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess those values might be missing in the brave new world after all, i find things like that questionable, even if you can't comprehend me'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Chemosh said: "..., authority should be accepted by their real ones in a democracy" <-- reads as incoherent (/trolling) nonsense'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'real beliefs and real morals?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Chemosh, we're supposed to be a republic, not a democracy'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Chemosh is esl'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and republic means without a monarch in part, i guess'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that seems to be what they called british territories who became independent'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's weird though, comparing the 'civil law' and 'federal actions', if you were to go out and detain some people from the street, maybe with the allure of some kind to your residence, and then conduct torture tests of a new drug on them and their friends for some money, 'BSDM' becoming normal, you might be seen as a menace to society - but on the other hand, according to that website i seen, the government does just that, and are the system the menaces are judged by'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so it seems strange to me, this weird distinguished form of crime and punishment'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They do it because the sheeple deny the truth, which is hiding in the open'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Sounds like you're reading a bunch of trash - check out vigilantcitizen.com and naturalnews.com to start'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There are plenty of reputable, erudite, underground sources'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, but then i get my ip added to their log files and they tie my own musings to those sources and label me with somebody elses intention'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i might be a asshole and extremely offensive sometimes, but it's not really how i am'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You undermine yourself dude'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i give them what they want'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sort of'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Bad data renders you implausible'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'if 9 things were on point, but the 10th is off, it will all be rejected'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read that nerve agent study on a conspiracy site maybe like yours, and then looked it up on nihl.gov, which is america's scientific medical research website, and it was there'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i didn't bookmark it or add to a bag of goodies, otherwise i'd have that link on tobacco too'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seen them both though, some thing's i'm honestly interested in'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Anybody reading this: read those two sites'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'echoes of McCarthyism'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '...ironically, McCarthy was right'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The history books are rewritten to fabricate a fantasy, and sell it to you as reality'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'McCarthy was a liar and a fraud'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You think we were in the Middle East looking for weapons of mass destruction? Nuclear weapons?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Who's the only country that's used nuclear weapons EVER, twice?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'depleted uranium shells pollute '
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'We are the bad guys, or rather our government is - they use their propaganda and other TV distractions to get us to support their actions'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'We bomb a fucking hospital or orphanage, but then TV shows "angry terrorists attacking armed forces"'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'USA USA USA'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The people of the United States are the most dangerous enemy, which is why they go to such lengths to ensure that we don't wake up to the truth'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The rest of the world sees it, but can't do anything'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The people that can do something are lulled into perpetual sleep'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the biggest weapons of mass destruction/biological terrorism i culd fathom from their expediency there, aside from mustard gas that apparently hussein used on his own people before, is a flu strangely resembling the H1N1 that they bioengineered a modification to on the media in the last 6 months, controversially studying it in open science journals - and arrival of american soldiers home in washington or d.c military hospital, who were contaminated with a illness (flu), which spread to the public'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ir ead about that on ABC news, 2007 maybe, around there'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Chemosh, there were numerous expeditionary forces to Alaska'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'To search for a cadaver that had a strain of the 1911 or so old flu pandemic'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They found the body, used Oracle virus-optimizing software (this is what Oracle really does), and synthesized H1N1'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The real point of H1N1 wasn't to bioengineer a deadly virus - it was to create a pretext for people to take the vaccine, which was the true poison'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the h1n1 vaccine came out in the 70s...'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i know american's don't clean up their leftovers after military campaigns, there's some contaminating northern canada 'cold war' and other places, i read of children getting sick from handling debris in iraq too'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh great, the Cuckoo Triumvirate has become A Quartet.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Perhaps the true vaccine Abelinc, but now they use vaccines as an excuse to get access to your body'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'trinamic trio'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Bury your head in the sand, but you're still visible, much as an ostrich'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'from which country is DosseT trolling from'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You wish it were trolling'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'History is cyclical'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I use rohypnol.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: '(to access your body)'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos grins evilly at Ol' Dirty Fiendish.
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'floories?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'wrong building component'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I think you mean ceilingies'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though it is true that parts of a person's body can be "copywrighted" by someone else.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'copyrighted'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The truth is ridiculed, until a saturation point is reached, at which point "obviously" everyone knows it'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if they were modified, yes'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'including those very same who outright rejected it'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'ceilingies? i thought they made you hit the floor..'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos thanks Ol' Dirty Fiendish heartily.
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'apparently they make you hit the roof'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'then, when you bounce back, you hit the floor :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Drakoth: 'no.. thats crystal meth'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though it would be a function of the ceiling's elasticity :>'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they cannot own your body parts just because you lucked out in the gene lottery'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Zela, I'm from the US'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I presume you are too - take back your country'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'they can take our body parts, but they can never take...OUR FREEDOOOMMMMMMM'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wrong, Hanslanda. They can actually obtain patents on you genes.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is case law already.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i heard in a documentary, possibly on genghis khan, that in singapore they have a collection of DNA samples which showed them over 27 million direct descendants of his genetics'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Freedom's just another word for nothing else to lose...'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and they do seem to develop alot of strange patents and things down there, possibly every blood test and medical sample you ever had taken has a copy stores there'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, old Genghis screwed like a rabbit :>'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I saw, I conquered, I came.  A lot.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I think you dribbled, Hanslanda :>>>'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i watched another documentary (on ordinary television) about patents on genetics being owned majority by 3 corporations that split from a nazi corporation after world war 2, however they figured this out, 2/3s of the human genome is patented by them and a couple other companies'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they say our genetics are pretty similar, around 95% to that of primates though'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler lets off a real rip-roarer ... a greenish cloud envelops Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler!
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't think the people with the patents invented the primates'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'OH GOD NOT PRIMATES'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'i've been gone 9 days...anybody miss me farting on debate?'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I don't know about the number of corps of the percentage of the gnome, but yes, they can do that, and do.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'for a guy with a huge piece of land who supposed lives off it, you sure do have a lot of time to watch documentaries.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if the government allows patents like that, then there's a problem'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'I assume you mean NHPs.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or NHOs'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think so anyways, just seems odd that some institution on earth has to have a patent saying they own the intellectual property that your body is'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Dirkdiggler diarrhea is not on ignore here yet -- simple to fix'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's just one step - the next is for the corporate/government complex to tell you you don't own yourself'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, they gain the "right" by merely discovering the gene.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'And then you have an excuse for eugenics'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler spits on himself...what a sicko!
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'really, i don't think that would give me the right to say i own something'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you don't own yourself, DosseT :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'especially when that something happens to be a living entity'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or part of it'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you would think so, Chemosh, but as I said, the courts side with the discoverers.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'really, them courts should be overhauled then, shouldn't they?  such a democracy of intellectual patents we are'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'wtf is democracy? Wake up and smell the burning bush :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just about to'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'even in Athens democracy didn't work very well. Since only a privileged few got to be democratic.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a republic is worse because only landowners get to vote.'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'and lawnmowers'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, that too :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the very democratic US of A has its presidents elected by the states.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and the states are the landowners :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'yes, we live in the USSA'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'i know what i like (in my wardrobe)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, it's what I said is true for any republic, it's just funny that most republics called themselves democratic, almost an oxymoron.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'More like most republics are hijacked'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'How the caesars took Rome'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, they are not really. What happens is that if they didn't sugar coated it, the serfs might revolt :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I beg your pardon, DosseT. There was only one Caesar and he got murdered before he did anything to Rome :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'caesar as a title'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in fact, Caesar was murdered because he violated Roman law.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'No, "caesar" was the nickname of Gaeus Iulius :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'what roman law'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, when Caesar was made an Imperator by the Senate. That game him total power to make decisions in the name of Rome. By law he could only exercise this power outside of Rome. Once you are made an Imperator you must exit via the Janus gate and never come back to Rome. You are made an exile. '
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that gave him*'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'czar and caesar are title's aren't they?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like khan'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i thought, julius caesar, like genghis khan, meaning basically the same'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the purpose of Imperators were to operate outside Rome and in the name of Rome, but they had such power that if they returned they could overthrow the government. Hence the were made exiles.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Romans were named as followed: Clan, Name, Nickname. The nickname was used to differentiate two or more individuals within the same clan that had the same name. "Caesare" meant "the hairy one". '
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'which book of romanised myth tales is that story from'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I'm not pro on Rome, but Tiberius Gracchus set the stage for much of the political upheaval'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yes, Caesar is credited with the unification/destruction'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'But they found a way to take Rome from the people'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'which is why a "ceasarean section" is called so, it was (originally) a cut across the pubic hair.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Gracchus Marx is reminscent of a comedian'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'heh, maybe that was his real name :>'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'However, in private Nicholas expressed his admiration for the mobs, viewing anti-Semitism as a useful tool for unifying the people behind his regime. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_II_of_Russia that's a neat figure i haven't seen on history tv in documentary, seems like a powerful guy in his own day, 'czar romanov''
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'xenophobia is a crowd pleaser, no doubt :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wonder sometimes where anti-semitism originated in germany'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can't attest to the claims of historians writing about this nicholas or wikipedia though, i'll probably remember that'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I feel sorry for the first aliens we meet if they can't kick our ass :) They are dead meat... DMOA :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so you are from Bernard's World, huh? Ok, boys, kick his ass!'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we don't want some green-skinned commie pink-o freak walking around here :>'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'In the last Orthodox Russian monarch and members of his family we see people who sincerely strove to incarnate in their lives the commands of the Gospel. In the suffering borne by the Royal Family in prison with humility, patience, and meekness, and in their martyrs deaths in Yekaterinburg in the night of 17 July 1918 was revealed the light of the faith of Christ that conquers evil. -- so here maybe he wasn't such a bad guy, getting sainted and all - the church charging people with blasphemy in modern days for political reasons seems odd though'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler slaps Chemosh in the face with a fish.
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's still a secretive state, maybe not all corrupt though in it's history, or even as bad as some things can indicate in the present'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'how can you possibly have a government that is not corrupt?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if my own government appears shanty sometimes, i can't expect somebody elses to be honest with me'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Government that fears the people'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'People who wield power reluctantly, not with relish'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is guaranteed that at least one member of the government will take some advantage of his position.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'once one member crosses the line, the government is corrupt by definition :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Can't happen, cuz we're hooked on the fiat system'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You flash the cash, and someone will step up to sell out'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no one wields power reluctantly. They might wield it  conservatively, or carefully, or gently, but never reluctantly.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Of course they do - they just don't choose politics as a profession'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'politics is not the only way to wield power, in fact, some might say that politics is a cover for those who wield  power. Those who see are just puppets.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we see*'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Well, you mean theory vs. reality'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the reality is that no one who is powerful is reluctant.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'reluctance would seem to be a character flaw that would cause the wielder to lose that which he wields. '
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'becuase, it is sure as hell, that the other powerful guy will beat the crap out of the reluctant one if he doesn't get his act in gear :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Reluctant not as a native character trait, but reluctant in choosing to use it'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Study MBTI'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Some are ego-motivated, some are not'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, but that would only work if everyone who had power were reluctant.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'every living thing is ego-motivated.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Though rationals can see one of the former making a move to usurp'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Not everything'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you gain more support and security if your power courses through the veins of your actual power than if it's absent and is reluctant by default, because it doesn't believe in you'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, name one living thing that isn't.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read about that on some black sun/white sun austrian philosophy a little'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It becomes addictive to the point of recklessness'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Reluctance to wield power still evolves to use of it'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It just starts 2 steps back'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and so the others are going to wait for the reluctant one to get into gear? You don't understand power. The others will have the guy for lunch.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and take his power away :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Reluctance in wielding it.  Station should only be used as a last resort'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Other resources should be used before you drop the "I'm the King/CEO/manager/whatever"'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are the jokester, DosseT :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You listen to someone that says, "I'm your new CEO?"'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'How J-type'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like a nation, composed of biodiversity and several channels of power who are wieleded by the man with 'the power', should be more than that single man in his philosophy taking his orders and lost without his guidance, and should understand what he's about and support him because they understand his reasons for their orders, i think'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then no single person is seen as invaluable while all of his power is expended'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and while he is telling you that he is your new CEO, you decide to go to the head, at which time he reluctantly fires you.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'My point was that you don't respect someone because of their station'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and there's maybe less jealously like that, because they understand that they are all powerful'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'respect is not  the same thing as worship :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Power wielders wield power in a bid to garner respect'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Fear tactics'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Might makes Right only works for a while'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what the CEO demands is total abasement. Personally, he can go fuck himself :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the way those in charge want you to behave toward them has nothing to do with what they are in charge of (pardon the dangling preposition).'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Course it does'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'chances are if you have an unanswered question, ponderance or speculation, driving a uncomfortable assumption - others do too, don't you think?  what keeps them unsatisfied, when the problem is a human problem and not a natural problem?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'C-level runs middle management - so he needs to influence them to get the results he needs, or the Board fires him'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so I can't go to the bathroom while the CEO is in the room?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You can have a new guy flashin the badge, and we know what happens with that'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you are polite and respectful, you say "excuse me, sir, but I have to take a shit". So he fires you.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'the analogy doesn't extend that far'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so he wouldn't fire you in that situation?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'd like to understand what exactly is needed to be kept secret in a government to maintain actual stability within itself and foreigners'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You can't be axed for that'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it seems that they make alot of decisions without consulting the public'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'thank the liberals...'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if you say so :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'which is why the analogy fails'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'But yes, someone could draw sword and slay'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and in a democracy, if it affects them in anyway, and spending the money their taxes are taken for is one way, they should be consulted - so the gray area should be determined, i think'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'people have been fired because the boss didn't like the way they were dressed.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'But to what end? Fear tactics? That just engenders hatred'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and being fired because you had to go to the bathroom instead of adoring the CEO is not that far-fetched.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'If the CEO fires you for going to the bathroom, why were you hired?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Forget about democracy, Chemosh :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'No one wants to waste time hiring people just to fire them - its a waste of effort and money'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'a nation's more secure when it's members have faith in their own survival, regardless of sloppy administration'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I was hired to do some work according to a job description that didn't include kissing anyone's ass.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'and they fired you?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it doesn't seem to me that the average citizen has the same level of comprehension and evaluatory faculties that their leaders have'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, not me :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'nope, sometimes the average citizen has /more/'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the information they study, and verify often is limited or unavailable'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'A nation's more secure when it's people are independent, Chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, Chemosh, you could say that only intelligent people get elected but... remember The Bush :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Which is why they make us dependent on the government'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'it's = its'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'An educated, able-bodied, INDEPENDENT people far outnumber the gummint, and can string em up'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, that's a good one, DosseT. What nation would that be?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's why they cripple the people so that can't occur'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Don't exist anymore'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the criteria, not the details though - those're probably dangerous to know'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'since humanity left the Neolithic, there essentially has been only one type of government. Feudalism. Modern governments are just variants of the same theme.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Communities were likely 50 people at the max then'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You can Might makes Right in that instance'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and when it got to 200, the government didn't change. Just got more enforcers to work for them.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Not to 200, but 4 groups of 50'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'then they added more enforcers at 2000, and 200000, and 2000000, and at 200000000'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so the game hasn't changed :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There was no way to incentivize selling out earlier'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'some countries have kings for life, some country have kings for 4 to 8 years :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Now, you just pay someone a high salary, and someone'll gas the children'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, sure, for the right price someone will do whatever you need.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They created that system so we would become our own enemy'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's how you manage when the population becomes 20000000 as you say'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you sound as if once it was different :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It was small tightly-knit communities fighting other small tightly-knit communities'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Once they assimilated and got larger and larger, it became looser'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'bigger = liability'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the difference between an autocrat and an elected president is a matter of degree not form :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yes, but the people are unanimously behind the figure in the former, and are simply behind by circumstance in the latter'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i don't think a external police force and tax collector was as neccessary when neighbours knew eachother and what was expected of them as a community, there's some lines that shouldn't be crossed and we understand what composes a troublemaker, that's not handled by a stranger for us'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Case in point, if I don't vote, someone still represents me to the rest of the world (POTUS)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'Unanimously?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'those communities almost inevitably occur though, and are consumed by the type we have now'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I would argue that in hunter gatherer communities of <50 people, it was generally unanimous'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Interlopers would either desert, or would be killed'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Once that community absorbs 4 more communities, you have 5 former leaders vying for power'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but hunter-gatherer communities are autocratic'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'actually you have more than that, since each of the five likely had a nemesis.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I agree Anaristos, which is why you could wield power absolutely...within such a small body'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Once you get larger, it gets, well...political'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but, the paradigm hasn't changed, though, admittedly, it is harder to implement now. But once implemented is self-sustaining. '
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's always political.  The impact of gaining/losing a friend is much stronger the smaller the community.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'an autocrat that formerly ruled 50 and now rules 100 will create a herder force to keep the subjects in line. The idea doesn't change with the numbers, though it will go through some implementation dependant adjustments.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I would argue that the 50 were more behind than the 100 as a whole'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The larger you get, the more dissenters there are'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and the more brutal the autocracy becomes.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's where we differ in approach'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brise: 'since when are hunter gatherer communities autocratic? they are nicknamed prehistoric communist societies for a reason. the only leadership at all was democratic, as whoever was the best warrior would lead in times of war, and so on. autocracy came with the slave age and the idea of pricate property. '
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you say so, Brice. There is no way that 50 people will live together and at least one of the will not try to rule them.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'even if he has to form a coalition '
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I took it to mean autocracy by circumstance, not imposed'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and that doesn't explain how this hunter-gatherer societies became royal families, unless the "democracy" was a temporary setup.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Makes you wonder if democracy was a fabrication of the autocracy'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and is it only lack of comprehension of the scope of the problem they become that makes them serve that kind of system, or do they think that by serving it them and their families won't become it's victim?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The strongest person always leads. The only difference since cro-magnon times is that the definition of strong has changed. Or maybe not.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Oh wait, that's the USA'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'once two animals get together, one will  try to rule the other.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm guessing it's a mixture, lack of faith in the comprehension of the no-escape route probably plays a role too'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's genetically wired.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Strong now is dictated by the fiat system'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They wanted it that way'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Because now a fat cat can can you, even if you could string them up'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'complice with a social convention does not mean that the drive for supremacy disappears, otherwise there would be no dissenters.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Strong now is the person that can get enough others to support him. I don't think it was different 30k years ago.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brise: 'maybe in modern times people are power hungry, but in those communities, circumstance forced people to fork together. environmental factors and such. im not arguing for the good of humanity or anything. but for the sake of accuracy, those communities didn'nt have autocracies. those developed with early nations like Egypt, thousands of years ago. go and further forward in time though, and your rule applies nearly 100% of the time. '
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos rapidly nods twice at Ranrr, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i seen a 1970's commercial on self-image that was kind of funny like that, showing how foolish the person who wants to rule another appears when nobody acknowledges his authority - which is possibly by default, but apparently not present in the modern hierarchy of things'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so, Brise, you mean to say that the drive to be the alpha human is a relatively new change in humans?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Strong is the Federal Reserve...they can crash the economy at their whim - I don't know many that support the Fed'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brise: 'not at all. im saying it wasnt at the front of people's minds during the ice age.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if  you have a community of 50 people, at least one will want to be the alpha.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i feel a subliminal pull draining at my soul sometimes with regard to others, holding them in higher esteem than seems ordinary almost without my own volition, which is naturally induced to resist that'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Everyone that voted the last 100 years do, Dosse'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you have a community of 2, at least one will want to be the alpha.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so it is possible that there is some instinctual follower programmed into humans based on my own self-examination, wolves seem to have it too'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brise: 'yes, but in those communities specificly, being the alpha came second to survival.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you have a communty of 1, well then, we know who is the alpha :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brise: 'its more than possible. its likely.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'being the alpha is  a survival trait, Brise.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Are you guessing, or do you have anything to back that statement?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Supported by circumstance isn't supporting by backing'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's a species drive for the best specimens to exist.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a community is only as strong as its weakest member, to paraphrase a saying.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's a little spergy'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in uber large communites you can mask that fact, but not in small communities.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'So eliminate all the women, and weak men'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'And you got yourself a strong 1 man community'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, DosseT, well, not the strong women, they were needed just as much as the strong men. But the weak, they could kiss it good bye.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, women are also needed for their wombs. the growth rate of a population is limited far more by the number of women than the number of men.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, a theoretical community only needs one fertile male and as many females as what to hang around.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That was my point - you must hold on to the liability to expand in strength'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Which is why chain-strong-as-weakest-link doesn't work here'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, but the liability needs to have some productive value. iow, you can keep weaker women, but weaker men/older, infertile women ...'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brise: 'well, im not an expert on psychology, but if there wasn't some program like that, how would any nation at all exist? they'd all be in permanent revolution. and the idea that people strive to be the alpha assumes that its part of human nature. i believe its an aquired trait, though it was aquired early on. say, with the idea of private property. because in a hunter gatherer community, being a leader meant you made decisions. you didn't get special privleges or anything. it was merely a title and a responsibility, rather than a reward. that changed very quickly, but for a time it was true.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'con-men and crooked bullies hurt the community more than the perceived weak, who don't have the influence of the others, whos will is enacted upon the perceived strong, such as themselves'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but you're saying 'i believe' as if it were undisputable fact.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or is that trash around scenic italy just there cause a weak-person seen he could save some money by doing it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seen about that on another documentary'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'obviously cause retards exist, trash accumulates in the scenic countryside, so they should be ostracized for not being strong like the people who could have caused it to happen'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i see society picks it's alpha targets along with it's alpha humans, by some course of forbidden logic mysteriously hidden from comprehension'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brise: 'well, i know others disagree. when it comes to prehistoric societies, theres a lot of room for disagreement. my opinion is just one way of looking at it. but, yes, "i believe" its correct.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nah, they're working on those kind of problems though, i just get offended what people see as valuable commodities to society and detriments sometimes though, seeing the consequences of their comparative actions'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'problem is that if you have a bunch of happy little communes living together, where everyone works and lives at subsistence level (because these kinds of super-small communities really can't support any kind of specialist), they're pretty vulnerable to takeover by a population where everyone isn't a generalist. '
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brise: 'yes, but we were talking pre historic communities. and actually, just that happened. slavery based societies took over the hunter gatherer societies.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'exactly. '
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not really slaves, but close enough.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'while you are at it, name a historic leader who did without :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'History is the recorded passage of events.  Guess who writes history.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The actual passage of events is much harder to extract'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brise: 'the winners! xD'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'somebody who had something to gain by writing it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I am willing to be that no leader has had less than those he lead.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'led*'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'had less in what sense'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brise: 'ghandi.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'whatever his follower had, he had more.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'without slaves?  Pretty much any ancient Egyptian leader.  The egyptian slave was actually a career choice, as perverse as that sounds.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'More what?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Ghandi used to go to sleep with nubile girls surrounding him :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the native protagonist in the movie 'even the rain''
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess he did have a little more though, had some education and things'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Led, meaning what'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and Ghandi didn't pay for his food or lodging.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The big burly guy could push his way around back then'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and didn't do his own laundry.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Now some old man in a suit with paper will tool him financially'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Alpha and beta are hard and set - they are roles'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'aren't hard and set, rather'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brise: 'oh, i know. those prisons were so nice, not charging him for his laundry. '
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brise: 'but i didn't think hard enough, your right. give me a minute.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how about adolf hitler?  what was his economic condition compared to the people he led in germany?  it sounded like elevating the poor and lowering the rich, inclusive, were part of what gained him support?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so you think a leader should get his laundry done for free?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'apparently he served in world war 1 too, like maybe his citizens did in world war 2'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read mussolini was a soldier in world war 1 too, so both seem to have been common people, but i'm not sure of their material wealth and what was done solely for their own benefit, and for the benefit of their nations'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'If you want to stay in power, people have to respect you'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The tighter the grip, the more is squeezed between the fingers'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, hitler had a bigger collection of old western movie reels than hollywood did...that didn't come cheap :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'respect has nothing to do with getting freebies.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Hitler, Time Man of the Year 1938'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a lot of people in the US liked Hitler :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, for being in power, you can choose between some measures of respect, love and fear...'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'henry ford liked hitler too'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The Bushes were funding the Third Reich, surprise'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brise: 'you win. i can't think of a political figure who had less than their followers, though im sure there is one. everyone gets food and drink for free in prison, in most countries. laundry as well, if they needed it. but that's not the point.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, Abe, my point is that leadership grants privilege, which is the point of leadership :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the point of it? hardly'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Not really'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it may be the goal of some who strive for it'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'people want to be leaders not because they are altruists, but because they want to be served rather than serve.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'People don't seek leadership for the privilege - sounds like projection'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can't think of anybody though, who leads a country as a common man'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'How is that altruistic?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That is more invisible hand-ish...except not'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is not, that's the point.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brise: 'well, hitler only provoked what the german's were all thinking, but not doing. after world war one, the germans were punished so harshly, they were practicaly forced into striking back. that's why they were divided after the second world war.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the drive to be alpha is the drive that makes a leader.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Wrong - you reversed the causation'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'An omega with the drive of the alpha is exactly that'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There's a requisite amount of puissance'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just about every politician on earth might have support or history beyond the reach of any common man'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, I didn't. A leader wants, at the very least, to be above the others.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You're projecting'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'actors or not, they seem to be a privledged group of people who pass on the job to those of their groups'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That may be subset, but not the whole set'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you can paint a leader any color you want, saint, humanitarian, whatever, but at the end of the day, he wants to be at the front rather than behind someone.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There are ego-motivated leaders that want to be remembered, feeling-motivated leaders who want equality, logic-motivated leaders that want clockwork'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They're not cut from the same'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'he wants to be defered to, he wants privilege.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'he wants to rule, not be ruled.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Because others offer him deference does not mean he asks it'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and when his leadership is questioned, he suppresses.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '..until he is suppressed'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Would that now make him an omega?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'bullshit, DosseT. You fail to give difference and you are  ousted.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a leader will brook no dissent that threatens his leadership.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'so exile the dissenters until they find more dissenters, and take over your community?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and that is hardwired.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Well, to be annoying, what kind of leader is he that his followers dissent?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You could push either side'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a leader :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Not much of one, then'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'My definition of leader is more observational than circumstantial'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'A nametag does not make you a leader'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you fail to see that he is leader by virtue of having defeated other candidates, but there will always be candidates :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brise: 'no leader is loved forever. eventually, people will find a way to be unhappy with him, and will then look for an alternative.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that's how  animals are, you lead until you are defeated.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'When he is ousted, and the victors rewrite history, is he relegated to loser omega status?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'See my point'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'usually to dead status.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'after that!'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'forget history writing :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i just thought of them, because so many allies were against them for some reason not connected to the gulag's-crimes, which were possibly known judging from the video speech of bernard shaw, by them at that time - and possibly all of the allies nations were led by a person who was very elevated financially in comparison to the majority of their citizens, so it'd be interesting to determine how wealthy they were exactly, and then wonder if their politics of not elevating themselves higher was part of the reason the war happened'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'whether history records the events accurately or not is beside the point.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think of it alot, because 'world war', that's a big war and must have had some philosophical component of governance to it, that the sides were opposed on, possibly because of virtues outweighing vices in one set or another'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what did they want exactly'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Wasn't your argument to peruse history for leaders that had more, and wielded power?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, I asked if you could name a historic leader who had less than those he led.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'This theoretical leader led with force, eventually was overthrown, and was omitted from the annals of history'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'He does not show up when "naming historic leaders"'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and the ones that survived history weren't much better :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'because you think of leadership as an intellectual thing, it has nothing to do with brainpower, though in humans that is a factor. It has something to do with being the best specimen of the species available at some particular time.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Alpha and Beta profiles have been inverted for that very reason'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'or at least being able to convince others that you are :p'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'voicing common concerns not detrimental to your own goals, or those of your superior, and being convincing in your role as the man in control of all these things, like i heard most politicians will attend at least 1 semester of drama'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not so sure the actual ideological significance of anything they profess is required, their own understanding, or if they just have to put a certain emotion in it's delivery'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Are we being led by the best specimens of the species available at this time?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it has something to do with the drive for the species to improve. Every member of the species competes against the others constantly. Some are not very good and do not advance, others advance until they can no longer, or become leaders.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'which the majority will be influenced by, almost spiritually, on that elevating level that tells them of righteousness, it feels so powerful'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Hmm, given the mental acuity it requires to vote them into office ... probably.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'People rise to their level of incompetence'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'and the rules have changed now'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'rather, were changed'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they know what's real though, that's the important thing, i the truth is an important part of the world'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that might be an indictment on the intellect, DosseT. '
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I just don't understand what leadership is an intrinsically noble act reserved to humans only Every living entity, at least on Earth, fights for supremacy.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'understand why*'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I don't understand why you think so, that is.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I don't think everyone vies for supremacy - I'd say at least 80% are followers (betas)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'First of all'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'My question to you: are you a chief if there are no indians?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Or are you defining "chief" as having indians'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hell, I'm always struggling to avoid leadership roles :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I didn't say I thought it was a noble act, as I know that people wield it - I opined that the best way to approach leading is with reluctant and measured use of force'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, that's not true. What humans do, that others animals  don't seem to do, is to compartmentalize. They might not lead their entire community but they will look for some niche where they can exert  their autocracy.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That sounds kinda lame - so everyone finds the crowd where they shine'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'to appease their ego?  Sounds more like dopamine release than leading'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as I said, once two people get together, at least one of them will try to rule the other.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'what do two females do?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's testosterone that is combative'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'What to 2 beta males do?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'What does a castrated male and a female do?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brise: 'if that were true, than how could any society function? everyone would be in permanent revolution.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'we basically are, Brise'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they function because, in most cases, the loser acquiesces. '
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and for the record, females produce testosterone...'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brise: 'in most countries. not all. i meant everyone.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'course Abel, but it's not their leading androgen'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, and males, estrogen :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '-.='
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'and progesterone'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'Not only that, but you expect us to believe that there's no dom/sub power dynamic unless a straight man is involved? Pull the other one.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Which is also why high T chicks are so manly and combative..wait what'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'who said anything about straight?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'Sorry. You're right, nobody brought that in. Still, two women won't have a leader? Two non-alpha men won't? A castrato and a woman won't?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'I'm having a hard time with that assertion.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'with gay guys or dykes, there's still often the butch and the bitch roles...'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'big foes and bigger governments to handle the foes for you, because people like you are the bodies of your foes will who would enact their viciousness upon you if it weren't for your government'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'it's only one letter difference.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, leadership and sex are related since, obviously, the alpha specimen will produce the best offspring.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'at least, those of the opposite sex, will look at it that way.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't see any solution in forever as long as people exist for the world conflicts of interest, as far as nations are concerned, it seems like forever there will be us versus them internationally, nationally and locally and some advisor will handle the enemy on our behalf'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'though, that doesn't seem to work too well with humans :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Sperm Wars...most sperm are blockers'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'We don't function in that primal environment anymore'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Though females are still hypergamous'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or it works well, and intelligence is not a big factor in choosing a mate :>'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's alright to rise to real problems and defend against them though, i agree there - but it does seem that more power over you is given to the government the more foes it slays, doesn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's a more modern proxy for power, i.e. resource gathering'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they stand something to gain by the foe rising to the occassion, and maybe the foe is legitimate and a real foe and all it's powers are fully backing whatever malevolence they'd like done to you - but why can't they see common sense if they value their own lives?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'where's the drive for international conflict originated?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'U.N.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the answer to that question, Chemosh, is where ever the world leaders gather :) (I don't mean the visible ones :))'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ok then, that's all i wanted to know, i'm a sucker for intelligent design'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't claim chaos isn't real though, or to know where the sources are or what those sources are, only evaluating the nature of the problem and trying to grasp it so that i can put it from mind - origin of international conflict hypothesis that you have is one that i arrived at before, and it does seem possible'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but i haven't determined it absolute, and possibly anybody who tried would disappear, because where it'd be investigated is highly dangerous'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is nothing intelligent about the design :) You could say it was all dumb luck :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i see nature pretty much being obliterated, which used to be required for life on earth, and them focused on comparable vanity within their own human race, which could be obliterated in the future'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'by the 'foes' that aren't addressed seriously'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the whole idea behind God and, collaterally, intelligent design is the human need to believe that their lives has some meaning beyond what lies between birth and death. What's the point of being alive? God answers that :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Not always - it's a subset'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so with that phenomenon, if what i read/seen on the news and stuff is real, i try and evaluate what kind of group of people this is, and they almost appear suicidal conceptually'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or aliens like some say and maybe demons'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'bullshit, humans need to know that their lives have meaning. If all they do is be born so that they can die, well that is rather meaningless to many.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I understand the psychological and existential comfort'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but if you throw in an afterlife, well, now you are really cooking :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I believe in God, and I'm a rational'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I believe in God, because I learned that the powers that be believe in Satan'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'So my belief stems from logic'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'This is from a former atheist'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The world works in mysterious ways'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, assuming that you are telling the truth about being rational, it is obvious then that you sport an irrational streak :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Not really - I just learned that the top of they pyramid worship Satan'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'that wasn't greeted by much fanfare - just a sort of matter-of-factedness'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, to believe in god is to believe in satan, as Ursula LeGuin said, light is the left hand of darkness :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I went the other way - seeing religion as a tool of social control, I rejected structure and dogma'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Imho, anyone who believes in things without reasonable proof is irrational.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Learning their emphatic devotion to the opposite was interesting'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, sure, religion affords a leadership niche :>'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Depends whether you want inclusive or exclusive proof'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You only see black holes by proxy (exclusive proof)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Or you can see a cookie on the table (inclusive proof)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but as far as you being rational, how can you allow yourself to accept something that can only be proved by proving a negative? The supreme absurdity.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'True that part of it is through proxy i.e. witnessing their faith, but also tempered by personal experience'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I see the irony, how is it rational'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'faith, be definition, is irrational :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, the level of proof needed can surely be debated, but another requirement is that you should always be prepared to change your views if new proof arrives.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Of course'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if someone proved the existence of god, I would change my mind in an instant :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Religion fails in both those requirements, hance all religious people are irrational. Imho.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but matters of faith are just matters of opinion.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'What do you call proof, though?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'What-I-see-what-my-eyes is proof?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, how about using set theory?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The point of black holes'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You don't see black holes; you just see stars converging'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, we have a evolving scientific process for prooving theories. That's a start, at least.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Thus fail to reject the hypothesis that there is a dense mass'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I grant you this, from what I've been able to glean from some thoughts I've had on the subject, if there is a god, it is not animated.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You can't prove something, just fail to disprove'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you want to think about whether there is as god or not, spend some time developing a scenario where something has always existed :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Generally, you make a predication, according to your theory, and then make tests. If your result fit your theory, and no contradictions are there, you have the start of a proof. '
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it's a tough thing to do :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You must also have a way to falsify your theory.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'True Ranrr, though a standing hypothesis may indeed be true, or may simply be standing because it has yet to be toppled'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the problem is, you can't test for the existence of god to the exclusion of other causes :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'We don't know until if and when that occurs'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes, that is science.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'And if you were to find out, you'll have problems sharing your discovery'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If it cannot be tested, it is not science.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the "well, what about the trees?" question that the simple-minded always asks just doesn't cut it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I disagree with that'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'How did we discover atoms and molecules'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I don't see anything?!'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Then sub-atomic particles'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Then quarks'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'etc.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, let me tell you about atoms and molecules.... :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the map is not  the territory.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Just because it cannot be seen with your eyes doesn't mean it cannot be tested.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's my point'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They didn't see anything, and thus there was no science, by your definition'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'we don't know if there are atoms and molecules. We have a model in which atoms and molecules answer some of our questions.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'True.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Correct - we have subatomic theory and quantum mechanics that are a standing hypothesis that has yet to be disproven'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'how do you explain double slit phenomenon?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, so "how about the trees?" doesn't cut it :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'space is one of the scariest aspects of reality i think, but where would it be without it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Quantum mechanics. Don't ask more.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's amazing, i respect space'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There's an entropic element to it'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as I said, the real question behind the existence (or  lack thereof) of god lies, imho, in answering the question "how can something always exist?"'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In my opinion, since we cannot prove the existance of a god, and no god is needed to explain anything, why waste your time believing in one?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'because it seems that the material which forms our current space-time is recyclable :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'My counter question to you is why the ruling powers of the world believe in Satan then, which is a similar non-material entity'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You purport that it's a waste of time, and they're wasting their time doing it.  What for?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'as I said, by quoting Ursula LeGuin, light is the left hand of darkness. God is the left hand of Satan (and vice versa). You can't have one without the other.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Beats me, Dosse. Ask a psychologist.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brise: 'of course. good and evil are relative, after all.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'My point exactly.  So while we question our faith in God, and observe their faith in Satan, what do we conclude'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'According to the christian belief, God does more bad than good.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the idea of bipolarity has been very popular through history :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Anyone who believes in the christian god believes in satan as well.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'An vice versa.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I understand that'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'nothing much, DosseT. If you believe in god, you believe in satan. That's the point. You can't believe in one without the other. Protagonist and Antagonist. Great Greek tragedy stuff :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'My point is that one can arrive to belief in God not through blind faith, but through proxy of observing others' faith in Satan'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Of course, it's still just made up by humans.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Because exactly - God must exist if Satan does'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, lots of god's creatures participate in questionable conduct, without the intervention of human perversity guiding their actions, i'm not so sure god desires his creatures to be perfect and punishes them for their flaws, that would seem to defeat the purpose of creation - which might more akin to what satan would desire, being the destroyer'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Is it Ranrr?  You know that all the world powers, U.N., etc., are Satanic, right?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so you can deduce darkness by posing the absence of light, that's nice.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No, I don't know that.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They are'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Why?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I cannot answer that, but I have observed it'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and even human perversity is often unoriginal and guided by clever society, infringing on their development to become perverse, which i can't see an all knowing god being ignorant of'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's a void statement, since Satan is made up.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and thus punishing the participants, programmed to do as they do, for their own transgressions'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'If it's made up, why do they go to such lengths to pay symbolic tribute everywhere'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'In their logos, music, cities, acts, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'even if what you say is true, DosseT. So what? They can worship my butt hole, for all I care :) Since they believe in a figment of their imagination, the act of belief is useless :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Maybe because they are irrational?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Perhaps'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'though isn't that violating Occam's Razor'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe after he gives them a choice, clearing their conditioned souls from what they done, then he might punish them for choosing to be a certain kind of abhorrence'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you do more than the minimum you violate Occam's Razor :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'People are stupid, irrational and believe things told to them by charismatic sect leaders. Doesn't get much simpler.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, those darn leaders, they reluctantly befuddle the masses.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There's cold, hard, measurable, empirical evidence.  This isn't hearsay'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'google "George Washington satanic statue"'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Didn't see that one in your history book!'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'are we talking about god again?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Try D.C. floor plan'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Bohemian Grove'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ok, ok, DosseT, so what if they have some belief? How does  believing in Satan helps or hinder? As opposed, say, in believing in the Easter bunny.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I've never liked the way people apply Occam's Razor like it's a law'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If leaders believe in made up deity #1 or made up deity #2 is irrelevant to me. They can believe in satan if they want, it makes no difference.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'People do complicated bullshit instead of simple bullshit all the time'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'nature follows the path of least resistence, Vakieh. Occam's Razor is really just a reflection of that.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Are you not counting those points as data, then?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'points? what points?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they actually do follow satan though, according to the gospel story, 'no man can have anything less it be given him from above', then there's satan offering jesus all of the kingdoms of the world, which jesus wouldn't worship him for - so it'd be a strange phenomenon if real'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Occam's Razor itself is fine, but where it says 'more likely', people think '100% certain''
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe just symbolic though'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I prefer to have politicians that don't mix religion and politics. Fortunately, I happen to live in a country where that is pretty much true (Sweden), and not a fake secular country like the US.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, you are not using an authority with provenance, Chemosh :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Interesting prospective from Sweden'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the bible is just as suspect as everything else :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Believe me, I was an atheist for about 13 years, so I get the point'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Vakieh, I think the other point of Occam's razor is that you might as well assume the more likely explanation is true until proven otherwise.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Just because a brain tumor is the simplest explanation, some people might actually have a foreign infection, fever AND lupus'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Why assume anything? Test it'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, but you'd still scan for the brain tumor first.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The path of least resistnce, Majic :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and showing negative for a brain tumor would indicate 'proven otherwise' at which point you'd look for the next most likely explanation.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the simplest explanation is usually the right one :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Right, but that doesn't mean you can bring Occam's into a debate and call it proof, as so many do'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes, and the simplest explanation of religion is that people are irrational.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'd agree there.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, you don't do open heart surgery  to show that it was heartburn :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Occam's is that it is vain to do with more what could be done with less'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'so a paraphrasing, though not equivalent statement, is that what you see is generally what you get'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'otherwise it's redundant'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'No, Occam's is a simple suggestion to test for the simpler (and presumably more likely) scenarios first'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'that's the direct result of "what-I-see-is-what-I-get" deduction'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the most obvious is usually deliberated to arrive at the not-so-obvious anyways though, isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'hey this is odd, i wonder.. nah.. nah.. maybe...'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the only thing wrong with Occam's is that you might miss the knowledge that there are more complicated solutions  :) You generally stop and the simplest.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, that's why you should actually check your solution when you can :p'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'feel between the legs'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just show what formed the conception of your opinion or whatever in totality and then the individual aspects that compose it can be refuted as needed'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if the basic premise sucks, there is not much more that needs to be done :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but who's gonna really do that?  using other's not considered opinions seems to be popular these days'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, in truth, there is no need for the opinion of others. Opinions are useless, and the end. What you need are statements of existence :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it seems convincing to you, it must have some thought put into it, that you developed yourself'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if a person says, this is a fact, then you pay attention, an opinion you can let slide.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Problem is people dispose of fact using the guise of opinion'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'opinion on the fact is something other than the fact itself, opinions can change, facts can't - at least not when they're not dynamic'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The mind is self-preserving - people reject fact, labeling it opinion to avoid reality'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some people just like to know what's real, and they require a certain degree of satisfaction to their questions to support a fact before they accept it, when it's not experienced first hand especially'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that which is, is immutable. It may have mutated into its current state, but that's beside the point. It's previous state was another fact, not this one.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'in other words, that which is, is until it ceases to be. Then it is no longer a fact :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but opinions have no substance.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they server their masters faithfully, though.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'they serve*'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The fact is that people make statements about fact all the time without checking the facts or having anything to back their statements.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i include reference material to every opinion i ever shared on the internet, regarding opinionated fact and my extrapolation of it'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'heh, I don't have to back my opinions :) That would force them to become facts :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all shared for their own reasons, sometimes prodding, sometimes to incite the attitude and sensitivites of others to determine what they believe and characterize the opponent's i'm trying to rule out'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'really, they could say i just made my opinion's substance up out of thin air, so instead of provide the facts that i built it on, being maleable, and then look for different ways to consider the combination's or presences'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and usually subjects are horror-like, which might be dangerous sort of, and opinions reflect the prejudice gleaned from the injustice present in the facts'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and then i look around for explainations, while i study the 'governments' who are possibly direct descendents of those horrors causes'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'which the internet is handy for sort of, being a government suppression and control mechanism'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and has lots of information to skim through etc, lots of facts to look up and cross reference with refutable sources'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't think i'm any more delinquent than the creators of south park or various mainstream media programming, i don't even influence or harm a single person as far as i know - and i hope that's the fact, i'm like a blathering lunatic preaching the end on johnny mnemonic, without the cyborg infrastructure, except only temporarily and aesthetically, not redundantly as he did, i consider things in context as they're relevant for a point i'm considering, which some may or may not see themselves'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if i speak some prejudice or offensive terminology, it doesn't seem to be any worse than the typical humour in some of that'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and i know i'm not an evil serial killing mass-murderer or would be capable of being one, and i don't support the kind of people who are in charge of the general corruption that results in that - which sort of sets my conscience at ease, but others might not understand, sort of like your irrational god concept'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i should leave sleeping dogs lie though, there is no point in pursuing the truths of the past with people who are extremely sensitive with it's subject matter'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i've had alot of time on my hands, all the time in the world, mostly barred from living an ordinary life i develop strange hobbies, and one of them was pursuing the truth of subjects that i found intriguing and the nature of the governments of the world in which i mostly don't belong, just for my own conflict resolution, seeing if i'm solely to blame for my own failed life or if they had some part in it, then that led to discovery of alot of different and evil considerations'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'being offensive to others sometimes loses it's relevance when you perceive a godly sleight or governmented offense in just about every aspect of your life, even if there is none, and there might be once in awhile'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's not like you hurt them, right?  they tread all over your sensitivities, why not give them some of their own medicine?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'except even that intention isn't always there, just desensitized to being human in general, disconnected, life is horror and you forget that others aren't as dark as you - that's how i am anyways'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'when i turn on the tv i see that nothing is sacred, and everything about being human is up for grabs, almost everything - i see some lesser subjects being excluded once in awhile, and i consider them to be prejudice tot he general desecration of humanity, and set out to find out why - like a hobby sometimes, it's not neccessarily my fault for expecting you to be fasse pau with me :), anyways, i'll be quiet now, just explaining myself to your sensitivities a little - and the world has alot, such like expedient criticism for consideration of one and theirs versus 30 million history facts, which shouldn't be misjudged as a attempt at cruelty, but at consideration :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'nothing IS sacred :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'space is sacred, i respect space :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'before you were, space was, after you will, space will be :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'almost felt like I was back in the USA tonight, saw a black girl being "phyiscally" arrested by a bunch of cops'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why one shouldn't vote for Mitt Romney: Battlefield Earth (which was eventually turned into that awful movie with the same name) is one of his favourite books.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(No, this is not a joke. It actually is)'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the only reason I hate Obama is because he likes basketball.  It's a hoodlum sport, and we don't need that type of person running the government (reminds me of Idiocracy).'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wakita: 'But his VP is a guy that drove the weiner mobile'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hanslanda did.  Oh yes, he did.
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's okay, stupid people do stupid things and we have more important things to worry about than the fact that Biden is now President.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wakita: 'According to him we're going back to slavery'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm afraid any goodwill generated from Ryan Paul being a former enthusiastic rider of wieners gets canceled out by Mitt Romney loving the shit out of "Battlefield Earth".'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wakita: 'Heh, that movie had real poor casting too'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, no. It's not the movie he loves. It's the book.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wakita: 'Didn't the aliens wear spice girl boots?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'can someone explain why force feeding stimulants to children is not only socially acceptable, but encouraged?'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'it's good for them.'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'is it? seems like maybe humans weren't meant to sit in class 6 or 7 hours a day. inability to do that doesn't mean you have a medical disorder that needs to be treated'
T3/r7/2012-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'treated immediately.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'any of the worlds problems thatneedsolving in here ?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how do you plan on solving anything?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'reality is subjective :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think we have more immediate problems than metascience'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Come and finish the hiring process that I'm trying to do.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Iwas going theBuddist  path but ok what problem?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like the government recording every phone call, text, email, skype, web search, web page visit - every single download'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'echelon ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is the price of freedom worth a lil imposition ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'imposition?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'blanket surveillance isn't freedom'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's tyranny'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lack of privacy  = imposition ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soln is snailmail ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'post ?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'took my MP to task for it, but he blew me off with blonde quack. i'm guessing he's never read George Orwell, much less heard of him'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'if you need to hide it , the gov needs to know about it ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'justify that nonsense'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '1984 :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, he refuses to back down on it, so when the election, i'll be campaigning heavily against him'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm with u mate - just devils advocate '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and unlike his competition, i won't be playing nice'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'great ! you don't have a constituent to offend :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, i'll talk to the players and find ones which understands the issue, then go against the ones that don't'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'if there was not this level of vigilance by the gov  would buisiness be monitoring us instead ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'want to go after the 40odd % non-voters'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only if you let it, like with Facebook'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do you think the CIA invested in Facebook startup to start with?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Facebook does all their work for them'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'data mining is bug money - even now ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'big*'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol finally Bono and the CIA in bed together ! lol sell out !'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone knew Bono was a sellout'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'who is next ? Dylan ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'This is one of the best conversations I've heard this week.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'sarcasm ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'What?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just asking - no "tone" involved '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sell-out in this context is a celebrity that exchanges principle for material wealth or self promotion'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'jump in Zac '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok non sellouts - Dylan , Mandela... who else ? Julian Assange ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'You read about this TrapWire stuff?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Assange is a bit of a prick, but also a hero'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'been implemented in UK for years'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no not actross the trapwire - unpack ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is that the news of the world phone hacking thing ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'enlighten me ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/08/13/operation-trapwire/'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'yeah, there you go.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'TY ! brb'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'How do you feel about Wikileaks?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how do i feel about it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'without wikileaks there'd have been no arab spring'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I can see the use of it, and I like the idea of transparency, but at the same time I can see the concern of governments.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'You really think that wikileaks played such a large role in the arab spring?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'social media in general had a huge impact on the arab spring imo'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and trapwire ! reakin hardcore - that is too much !'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it did, but the original uprising in Tunisia was a direct result of information released in wikileaks'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it highlighted severe weaknesses in the tunisian authority and details of bad stuff they were doing'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it triggered the protest there'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which led to that guy setting fire to himself. the rest is history'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm really suprised with Syria still holding on - can't think of his name ate assad ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I like the whole drama with assange's asylym in the equador embassy.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would like assad to win'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Yeah, I guess you're right. But that's a side issue. I guess my question is, do you think that wikileaks can sometimes go too far? I haven't given it serious thought, but I wonder if there are some not-so-good things coming out of wikileaks.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'why Tig ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'especially now the west has been caught with it's pants down supplying jihadi groups in the rebels with illegal weaponary'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Zac compromises in military intel do adversely effect a countries soverignty '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i want assad to win because of the interfering the west has been doing'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at least assad protected the jews and christians'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Right, that's a given. I'm asking about the moral issue though, if a third party that seeks to completely enforce governmental transparency.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a noble ambition, zac'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the most worrying thing about that arab spring is if the grass roots democracy movements  in the countries concerned aren't strong the only other ppower is islam ... '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'But is it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Or is it just an angst filled one?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, zac, if you have any kind of belief in the neccessity of the limitation of scope and power of government'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't believe in that, then you're open to tyranny'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go read some history :-)'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I certainly believe in a limited scope of power for government. Don't get me wrong, i agree with you. I just want to debate it all the same.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'truth is king imo - just needs to be hand fed to the masses though - so much propaganda/consumerism is spoonfed to us will take ages to wean us imo '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's just it, isn't it? people are so asleep because of the media'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the mass media Tig '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'LCD lowest common denominator . '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, tzad, that's why you see governments trying to limit free speech and 'own' the internet'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't even protest in the Uk without permission'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither in the US, i believe now'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Certainly there are things governments might do well within their scope of power that would/could only be successful with secrecy....'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'granted, zac, but such things should be extremely limited'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol you guys had those riots a while ago , were they sanctioned Tig ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yep Zac a lil Sun Tzu goes a long way :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: '???'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gerald celente is great fun'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'damn Ozzies are too lazy to riot - and too fragmented '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ozzie's have been browbeaten, they're pussies now'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'had  it too good for too long imo '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Zac google Sun Tzu - dependant on ur mind it will change it Forever'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I know the book, are you suggesting I read it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I couldn't tell if you were suggesting that I read it or if you were using it as some argument.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Yemen is in flames, Bahrain is in flames, it's all looking ready for some serious wars'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'civil unrest in spain, greece, france'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Wait, what's up in Yemen and Bahrain?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'civil unrest, borderline civil war'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'jeez I've had my head up my ass for so long - interesting life - I really need to catch up as a citizen of the world '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you hear very little world news on mainstream media'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what you do here is through a prism'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Alright, I'm looking to see if I can get The Art of War on my Kindle fo' free...'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I don't watch TV'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'watch your national news, then also add in russian, chinese, arabic media'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where they agree, you've probably got truth'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Yeah Tig, I'm trying to find more news outlets, but I don't have many good ones. Recommendations?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though if you're american, i'd be more worried about the proliferation of TSA across the country, and the arming of ngo's (1.4bn rounds of hollowpoints?)'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though the latest is that much of that is going to be sent to al-ciada in syria'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I used to do the rounds of Oz ABC al jezera dueche weller but I don't anymore - I should '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Oz?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'al-jazeera and rt are good places for some alternatives from different power bases'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Australia '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Ahh.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'has become a lil like Oz - bouyed by a false mining economy - no GFC here until the mines run dry '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oz's have been disarmed, now they're being taxed to breath'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're good little nwo bitches now'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no - the "right" liberals wil get in next election and the carbon tax will go away imo - already had landslides in state elections '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're wrong :-)'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Romney's mob will keep everything Obama has done'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both sides are the same'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'QFT.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol yeah tho - our army is a joke unless you are onne of the SAS and our cunsumer base is a drop in the ocean '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this story got coverage everywhere outside the western world'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://tinyurl.com/c9dejw6'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other than drudgereport.com, not a sausage on cnn and other government-owned media'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol economic rationalism means there is no longer a left and right I agree - but it is a divisive issue - the carbon tax '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'lol wtf? NWS buying ammo?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'uh huh'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is just the latest in a long line, too'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Zac NWS?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Saving this one...'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and there's links there to all of the reference material'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Heh, I know Alex Jones.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Grew up listening to him.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that isn't alex, it's PJW'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who's a brit'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'infowars.com is Alex Jones' site, right?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'nogs ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Yeah, I'm from Austin.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'nogs ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the original syrian democracy activists might completely disown the armed rebels'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts thinks of Nog, the Ferengi, and prostrates himself.
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Lol.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what do you think will come next?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'what is the breakdown of waring factions there and are any fighters from other countries joining in and on what sides ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I think you're over estimating people's eagerness to go to war, even if their government/priest/imam tell them to.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do they need people? they have drones'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they won't do an ground invasion of syria or ian'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'iran*'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol I'm an insane 20 yearold - everything is too much or not enough - '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the big danger is russia and/or china getting some balls'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'russia is too far involved - china is the danger imo '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I thought you were talking about people in the ME.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ME ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Middle East.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd be foolish to underestimate Russia, and besides, while they might have been enemies in the past, they're doing a lot of trading now in their own currencies, cutting out the dollar'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'middle east ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'The general between Turkey, Russia, India, and the Sahara.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which always makes me giggle when people whinge about russia and china veto'ing on the security council - hello? they represent more than 60% of the population of people represented by the security council'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'all of that. The middle east.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'every nato vote - seems like russia n china go together - is def a new  traading bloc that  bypasses the US imo'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well of COURSE they stand together, why do you think that is?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't need to be a rocket surgeon to realise why'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'mutual gain - more Sun Tzu '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'People don't bitch about Russian and China veto'ing because they don't think that those countries should have that privelege.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mutual defence, take a look at where US army bases are in the middle easty'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'unpack that a lil Tig ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'They bitch because the US acts unilaterally despite the vetoes.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one of the reasons, zacc'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are realising that US is totally overreaching it's remit and trying to take over the middle east'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why Russia threatened to nuke the missile defence shield installations US was planning in eastern europe'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'And that it's not an empire anymore...'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why Czech Republic and Poland have pulled out'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so instead US has the middle east ringed with bases'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so brings us back to the original thread - is intel monororing by the US the last gasp of a dying nation to exploit comparative advantage ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I don't think the US is dying...'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends what 'part' of it you mean'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'it is not that the US is dying it is that china etc is on the rise '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the republic is dead, if that's what you mean'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Don't be so sure about china.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'No "democratic" nation can just fall and die. There are too many elements.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'um .. war ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Well That, yes.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'But who's going to fight the US?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the US is'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz I have an adverserial mindset '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US will not be invaded, it was never at risk of invasion in the last 20 years'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in fact there were no threats against homeland security in the last 20 years either'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah actually the spree kill numbers coming out of the US ... WTF? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the threat is US attacking others and itself'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'found an article about that today which was pretty cool Tig.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gun killings are flat in the US'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/08/13/what_terrorist_threat'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I don't know what the killings are all about Tzad, wish I knew. I don't live there anymore.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the latest 2 gun killings were more than likely as not, staged'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'part of it is gun ownership - part of it is societal dysfunction and dis engagement imo ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mass shootings, yes, these mass shootings, no'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah side topic - school shootings etc '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'focus deb again?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you guys seriously need to get out, get the non-voters out, and back a third party candidate'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol Yes Tig - in Oz voting is compulsry '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've got some wackjobs in oz right now'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'british politicians are playing at deers in headlights, they're all the same, all owned by the global banks, and have no will to make any improvements'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Why don't you guys bring the island up above the equator? Things might get done in a more timely fashion.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'in most states the "left" splits it's vote between the labour party - the democrats and the greens - the "right only has on party in most states '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just like obomney, british politics is about kicking the collapse slowly down the path and try and squeeze the very most out of the serfs before it does'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you need a libertarian party in oz :-)'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: '^'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'call me cynical but " capatalism is a democracy, it is $1 a vote" .. is where we are at imo'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol we have heaps of fringe parties here - the sex party - the ever present dope party but it all means nothing when the mining giants like Gina Rienhart call the shots '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'democracy in Oz is a joke  - as I suspect in the rest of the west - money talks , bullshit walks ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, because global corporate interest calls the shots'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Either of y'all know much about this LIBOR stuff?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'all the more importance of those non sellouts ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why black guys with $10 bags of marijuana get shot in the head in the backs of police cars, yet global banks that commit fraud worth 100s of billions of dollars get off scott free'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a little'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'link me Zac ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I don't have one ready.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Start a new political party that solves all problems :D'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'then brief me ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'global banks collaberated to rig the interest rate that banks loan to each other'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'LIBOR is the interest rate between banks - it is set by some algorithm, and the LIBOR rate can be seen as a way to judge the relative strength or healthiness of the banking industry.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok that idiots vote id the flaw of democracy imo !'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the stock markets are rigged too, these days'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Except a couple months ago it came out that a LOT of the big banks had been rigging the LIBOR rate to make it seem like they were doing better than they were.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'AND, there's a lot of evidence that the British government had a heavy hand in it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'almost certainly'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Better put on your tin foil hats, guys.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zaccarion equips himself appropriately.
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a few years back our then PM flogged off a whole load of our gold at the bottom of the market, leaving us extremely vulnerable to the derivative bubble collapse'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'false accounting caused enron to fail - we didn't gain transparency after that - so we had th GFC'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zaccarion has a beeping light on top of his tin foil cone.
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'italy is actually well-placed when the euro fails'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have 2500 tons of gold'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Except that gold is just a yellow metal, and quite useless except in specific electronics.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts pats Ranrr on his head.
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Ran a foil hat would prob filter out the good stuff in my case - vitriol is internally generated ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Gold can not solve any problems.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The countries that will do good when the euro experiment is dissolved are those that have economies in order today. Like germany and finland.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'provided they aren't over-reliant on exports, yes, they will'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'a low wage award and a well organised manufacturing industry would have value added to our natural resources but we chose the path of least resistance here -  dig it n flog it - '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'All countries depend on exports. It's the basis of the economy today.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then germany will not be protected'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an export-driven economy requires an export market'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'And debt.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'tuatology '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Depends on if the consumers can afford the products. Just because a country is poor doesn't mean the citizens are, and vice versa. E.g. the US is a poor country with rich citizens and China is a rich country with poor citizend.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Also, having your own country mean that you can solve debt with inflation.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'good point Rann - those rich citezens are fluid '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'currency, not country'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, thanks, so get ready folks, all of your money will soon be worth half as much'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes, that will happen in the PIGS part of the euro zone.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone essentially taking a 50% pay cut will go down like a lead balloon in a country where half the people already receive some form of welfare'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'PIGS are part of the euro overall - need france and germqny to bail ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'PIGS?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'france couldn't bail a row boat'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It will happen. Someone has to pay.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'again democracy is thier weakness ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Portugal Italy Greece Spain'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'austerity here hasn't dented the deficit, and neither could it'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Growth.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'not austerity'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you won't get growth'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The reason people are on "welfare" is because they cannot get jobs. Any solution must include job creation.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wrong'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'greace has little or no tax base - corruption and or / gov ineptitude means only the stupid actually pay tax '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, I know, you think they are lazy.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the reason people are on welfare is because 50 years of improper welfare has skewed the true cost of things'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people with jobs here are on welfare'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have the left pushing for growth, the right pushing for austerity. The truth is that neither will work'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So, that brings me back to my start. Start a political party. Propose solutions.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Anyone can find problems. The hard part is finding solutions.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i disagree'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the problem is not the lack of solution'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the problem, first off, is admitting there is a problem, and realising the nature of the problem'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I have dealt alot with local council workers .. lol don't ask but thier work ethic is shit-  governments can't run buisiness because of various reasons - lets privatize europe and problem solved ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not a good plan'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we did that, now we just have bad services and corporate welfare'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz sleep meds kicking in - '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I have enjoyed tonight and TY but I need to go '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't want to live in a place like the US, where you cannot even get healthcare because you are poor.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And where everything is controlled by corporations.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, you can't get healthcare here in the UK for similar reasons'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Don't you have public healthcare?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But not for poor people?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'such rich grounds but as you know I get irrational so I'll leave it here for now - TY for the convo  - '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you have a car crash, or have some other accident that requires emergency care, you can get it'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is no different to the US'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you have long term problems that need healthcare, you're screwed'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That sucks then.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'fortunately I have rich parents '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'costs me about 20% of my salary, on top of which i then have to pay for most treatments'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have subsidised pharma'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is useful if you're on expensive medication, but it's subsidised, not free'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're poor, $15 per item is still $15'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Public healthcare should be what the government focuses on, plus schools, police and emergency services. And it should be payed by taxes and free to use.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree. could make it cheaper by making it locally admistered'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I have just spent a few months instuitionalised - I would be dead if not ... social/economic darwinism ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they institutionalise patriots now?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no they take in sucidal patriots and then turn them over to halfwayhouses where we can re-arm :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cracking'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'my RDX will be delivered remotely - lol Psyciatry trumps Islam - I can go again :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, hopefully you're not on SSRi'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I have tried SSRI - lol couldn't stop talking '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'extraordinarily bad for you'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm on thorazine? - is the oldschool name ? there is a new version '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'thought about combining an MOI or SSRI with MDMA as a new street drugg E+'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd be heavily advised to get nutritional supplements'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah got B in spades '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'actually get more outta the B shots than anything else - wierd '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a lot of mental disorders can be helped with nutritional supplementation'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so that statement is not at all unexpected'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I kinda don't wanna be totally cured- I know that sounds strange but I hate "normal" I hate " Humanity" '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can be not normal without being ill'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not normal is a state of mine, not a illness of it'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I get alot of intrusive thoughts and can only think one on ....plane? at a time ..  and my overview of the world - zietgiest? is asque'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'insomnia etc par for the course - I really just lack empathy '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'weren't you going to bed?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol yes you are about the most interesting thing I've found in a few days :D'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'are you fem ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm well endowed with moobies though'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol ok - tell me when you get bored of me then '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I have to take shots go I'll gently disintergrate - actually suprised I'm so licid atm - perhaps reduced dosage '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol always the last to know'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'well endowed with newbies ? unpack that ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'stil awake ... '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Rann was good to see you again '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'what is the general consensus on the reuters feed ? biased ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'various'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol as opposed to al jezera then - biased - east-west ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'come on, we don't need to hold your hand - look up al-jazeera on wiki and find out who runs them and tell us'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hehe ok loaded q? :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'actually that not cool - soz '
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are qatari, sunni dominated, allied with saudi-arabia, USA, pro-west'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at least, as far as current stuff is concerned'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'curt - ttfn'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hearing some crazy rumours coming out of Dallas'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also in the news, someone in the supply chain in Europe is cutting heroine with a contaminant infected with Anthrax'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I think someone needs tin foil glasses to watch the news through.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this was out of the BBC'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not know for reporting news stories unless "vetted" by the government'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'not everything on BBC is true'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but then, we know that anything outside your comfort zone is tin-foil territory, Ranrr'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're like the former Iraqi Information Minister reporting that there are no Americans in Baghdad on TV while you can see the tanks rolling in behind him in the distance'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'great comedy, not terribly helpful'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I just don't trust something just because I heard it on the news.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you don't believe Mr George Soros has dumped $50m banking stocks and bought up gold instead?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't care about that.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '14 people died through anthrax contaminated heroin from 119 cases in 2009-10'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should care about it, Soros has insider knowledge'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'They should get organic heroin instead.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if he ditches all his banking stocks and buys gold, it means he believes there's serious trouble coming in the stock market, especially in finance'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the guy might be a cretin, and an evil scumbag, but he's not stupid'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I hope there is, but I have given up on trying to predict. I want cheap stocks.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'won't happen'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If prices drop, that means cheap stocks.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can have: worthless currency, or stock in bankrupt companies'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't own bank stocks. I am not stupid.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the rich have been fleeing to commodities and real estate since 2008'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'missed the boat when it comes to gold, it's already high'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So is real estate.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And, in any case, the economy will go bust, and then recover. It's not the first time, and not the last. If you are smart enough to predict how it will happen, you can get rich. I am not that smart, and I don't believe George Soros is either tbh. Maybe Warren Buffet.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Warren Buffet will just invest in ice-creams because they make him look non-threatening'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And doing things because they say that X did so in the news, is a recipe for disaster.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps you should go invest in Facebook :-)'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even if you knew how the economy will perform... "the market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent". Otherwise good economists would be rich...'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well duh'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'speaking of facebook's stock... hahahahaha'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts -)
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who didn't see that one coming? the ones who invested, apparently'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the best part is, there's still plenty of stock that is still locked up, due to be released from obligations preventing sale...'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's called 'pump and dump' no?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't buy stocks in companies whose products I dislike. Facebook could get shut down anytime and they are stupid. :D'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even at this price, those holding on to it must be holding out some hope that it can turn into another google...'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a reason Facebook are bringing in Facebook Casino'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'on their current path, it isn't even worth 10...'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and real-money games'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and why they're selling all your personal data'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry "habits"'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why they're beta'ing a face-scanner login, tying in with similar facescanners in shops to tailer adverts'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they know where it's going, and I personally don't like it'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Just stay away from them. You don't need facebook, it is just a waste of time. Imho.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they can certainly sell data of people dumb enough to let them do it... but how much discretionary income do those people have...'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but my glorious leaders here have said that "not being on social media such as Facebook is a character abheration and a marker to look for in dissidents and terrorists"'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but perhaps I have too much faith in human intelligence...'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you do'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if they really said that, I think they were referring to poor people...'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there are, after all, plenty of professional types who wouldn't touch social media with a 10m pole'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmm... fb seems to have found support at 19 today. Wonder how long it will take to break through that! If I were the betting sort, I'd try to hold a pool...'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the sell off of stocks by those in the know means one thing though: WHen it crashes, it's people with pension schemes and investments that'll suffer'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'glad i don't have any'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, FB now has lower market cap than BIDU.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Anything goin on here?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not much, whatcha want to bring up?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and do i have time to grab a coffee first?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Sorry Tig, my internet dropped'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I'm still on the security issue.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what security issue?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'and whether or not people (like wikileaks, for example) should be protected for what they do.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, they shouldn't be protected'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Why not?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Well, that didn't go anywhere.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think it depends'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'did he say something and I missed it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there already exists legislation to protect whistleblowers from protection in many circumstances'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it has been a feature of both UK and USA governments to undermine that legislation'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in both cases, that undermining is a seriously bad idea'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Why?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whistleblowers are vital to uncovering systemic abuses in large power structures'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Alright. So I guess my question is, do you believe that what wikileaks is doing is past the reasonable line of "whistleblowing"?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'largely'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'So you'd agree with the statement that it is unethical for Ecuador to protect Assange?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it's totally ethical for them to do so'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Until they are the target of the leaks...'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Ok I see.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they aren't protecting him because of what he leaked'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're protecting him because of the unfair and 'underhanded' tactics being used to threaten his freedom'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any clearer now?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sure there's brinksmanship involved because south america isn't terribly fond of USA or UK, but I still agree with their decision'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are some commentators that suspect that the core content of wikileaks was deliberate'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'from the american military'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'probably not the initial content, but you can be damn sure that once wikileaks got a name, they intentionally leaked stuff to manipulate the situation to their advantage'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'If I leaked top secret information that damaged national security, I'd be tried for treason or some such, don't see why the Wikileaks people should be treated any differently.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'quite likely'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Assange didn't leak it'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and he's not an American citizen'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'starling, they're not treated differently'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Oh, then he shouldn't be prosecuted.  He should be bombed.'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they fled and are fighting extradition...the government is working to try them for treason'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Assange is not a US citizen, he could never be tried for treason, period'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'He's an aussie, right?'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'espionage maybe'
T3/r7/2012-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we tolerate the speech we hate because one day our speech may be hated'
T3/r7/2012-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'EVERYTHING is worse except for the battle system.'
T3/r7/2012-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'ok I debate that people should not impose there will on others, such that just because you think you know what I am doing because of other people in your past does not mean I am the same and doing that thing ^_^'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos laughs at Zanbone mercilessly.
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still amused why Oregon state has made collecting rainwater illegal'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA is in danger of making Assange a martyr'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't learn, do they?'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and your government will tax you to death to pay them to do so'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it appears the US department of homeland security puts as much effort into briefing against so called 'conspiracy theorists' as it does in genuine security'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'secrecy doesn't work if someone learns what's going on.'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I just find it bazaar'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bizarre, even'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'besides, that sort of behavior was going on since before WW2 (J. Edgar Hoover had files on everyone).'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by briefing against them, you're giving them credence. Only two things can be deduced from that: 1. they are, or are worrying close to the truth, or 2) they are dumb as a box of rocks'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1 implies 2, also'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what's on your radar today, hans?'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, but you're not going to be the only one watching those fellas.  Real threats are doing the same as you, and they basically have the same level of resources as you.'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you'll find the real threats are already in power'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Minority Report.  The movie concept is no longer a fiction.'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aware of that, albeit without some floating precogs'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'had it in the UK for a while'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, except that the movie concept was on a fortune teller species'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and it's so top secret that they actually won't let you refer to it by its real name.'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't look terribly secret to me'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they just launched it this year.'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no they didn't'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'another expose we have Mr Assange to thank for'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but I hear that if you say its real name 3 times in front of a mirror in only candlelight, they'll come for you'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, that's right, Mr Assange is wanted for failing to wear a condom, which is a extraditable offence in Sweden'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and if you want to compare it to a movie/show, person of interest is much closer than minority report'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'using a bank is an extraditable offense there.'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'hehe, that's not correct Tigernuts. There is no law that says you must use a condom in Sweden.'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I dunno what the appeal is of an alpine paradise sitting on top of a black hole generator.'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's what's being claimed'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'methinks it was a joke meaning that they'll find any stupid little thing as cause for the extradition'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'But the whole Assange-debate has derailed so I'm not surprised to see that some seem to think such things.'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'one oops and nobody will have a chance to go "WTF?  Where'd Sweden go?"'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then please tell me how a it can be sexual assault when it was consentual?'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oh, woops, that's Switzerland.  But still, Sweden would go fast.'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, amnesty international had a charity comedy ball with some cute assange skits :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'better arrest them, then'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Tigernuts, you shouldn't believe everything you read about the Assange-case. Surely you must realize that consentual sex is not the sole reason for what's happening right now?'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the reason sweden has given for it's extradition request'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's not even a tangential reason for what's happening, we all know that'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm well aware of the real reasons'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Then you are misinformed.'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's all smoke and mirrors, if governments were honest, we wouldn't be having this debate right now'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'So everything is a big conspiracy, right? Nothing happened and he's to be extradited. Makes sense?'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ask Mr Strauss Kahn'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you do him a disservice, he's clearly a predatory sexual deviant - if he's not extradited immediately he'll come around and rape your kids'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and anyone who disagrees is clearly a terrorst'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'This is what I maen with that the whole debate has derailed.'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyone vocally supporting him will be placed on a watch list and will be prevented from travelling'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you're clearly an extremist, ElFeneri, I can see we'll have to keep tabs and make reports on you'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'someone should put up the Bat Signal so we can get in touch with Raz Alghul'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'while the media are focused on Assange, USA is planning to unilaterally impose a no-fly zone over Syria'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Russia has come out very strongly against'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what possible benefit would there be to -anyone- except the rebels is there was a no fly zone? Haven't people twigged this yet?'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Tigernuts I think you have something there. You should let ppl know.'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're a terrorist, not a person, you should close your ears'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I assume this would mean no-fly for US aircraft. Probably... to avoid getting into fights?'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'General! General! Look out! We've got one that can see!'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who do you reckon was behind hack attacks on wikileaks and rt?'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't spose the UK and US governments claiming they need to go on the cyber-attack as a means of defence has anything to do with it whatsoever'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eBay bans sales of potions, spells and curses'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1000 suicides since 2008 in UK directly attributed to financial collapse'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK plc loves expensive insurance - they get a cut of it'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like google shopping is censoring vitamin sales in certain countries'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Today in mind-numbingly stupid politicians: Todd Akins is on the House Science and Technology Committee. He thinks that when a woman is raped, there are ways for her body to shut down and prevent pregnancy, so pregnancies derived from rape are very rare and somehow, this is a valid argument when asked whether or not abortion should be legal in the case of rape.'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'American politician?'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The House Science and Technology Committee. Congressman. Vying for a seat in the Senate (for Missouri). And, apparently, he's in a CLOSE race for November's election.'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'republican?'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes and yes.'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not known for their scientific nouse'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He claims he heard it from "doctors".'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He also thinks Morning After Pills cause abortions.'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'abortion is such a ridiculous wedge issue'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why can't the feds just set up a term limit of 20 weeks for abortions and let states further regulate as per their conscience?'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they spent a fraction of the money and effort they currently spend venting hot air and crap on the subject into actually sorting out the causes for unwanted pregnancies, and invest into promoting responsibility and making adoption a good thing, there'd be far fewer pregnancies'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'or we could spend 0 dollars on it, and just let people do what they feel is right.'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only related legislation i would agree with is punitive action on missing parents who don't cough up'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think that would go a long way to resolving the problem'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll always be called the USSR to me'
T3/r7/2012-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Ohio GOP Official and full-time racist had this to say about banning weekend voting for the upcoming elections: "I guess I really actually feel we shouldnt contort the voting process to accommodate the urban -- read African-American -- voter-turnout machine,"'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's like they don't even care anymore.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Anybody online?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Ecuador is doing a pretty good job of making sure they get bomb next, right before Iran.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How can a town with 7,300 residents have a High School with 3,200 students?!'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'read help bus'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So, if I shouldn't waste it, I need a mailing address...'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sperm bank'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Rape or not, abortion is not a political issue. It's between the woman, the doctor and sometimes the father. Politicians and religious people need to stay away.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I meant stay the fuck away.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently, "Study: Rape More Likely to Result in Pregnancy Than Consensual Sex."'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krikon: 'duh, what rapist uses condoms?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But let's just take Todd Akin's doctors' word for it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krikon: 'and it's not likely that she's been taking the pill in preparation for any raping'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Women who get pregnant due to rape clearly wanted it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's probably using the political version of science, where you make a study, and then do the opposite of the conclusions of the study.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '32,000 U.S. women just WANTED to get raped each year.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'I can't confirm/deny this because I didn't ask for the source, but a friend of mine was talking about this earlier, and her source claimed the doctor he was citing is a periodontist.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Again, he also thinks morning after pills cause abortions.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Doctors aren't researchers.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And, SOMEHOW, it's a dead heat with him with a slight lead against the incumbent Democratic Senator because Missouri is going Republican this year and the Republicans fucking don't care who they elect as long as it's a Republican/Teabagger.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, because they claim abortion also includes the non-implantation of a fertilized embryo'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Personhood starts at the moment of sperm-meets-egg!'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Romney Campaign: "GGovernor Romney and Congressman Ryan disagree with Mr. Akins statement." - How about "He's a fucktard."'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'federal funds can't be used to pay for an abortion except in cases of rape, incest, or the life of the mother.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'iirc'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Ryan doesn't even want to give women the choice of abortion EXCEPT for in the case of incest.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'But ... a lot of people are pushing to get rid of the exemptions for statutory rape and incest'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sorry, not incest.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If the mother's life is in danger.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So screw incest victims and rape victims. If your life isn't in danger, you have to carry the child to full term!'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Hell, there are nutty fringe Christian groups who think the life of the mother isn't a reason either, and liken it to a mother throwing her baby out of a sinking lifeboat.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'You see, if God wanted you to have a tubal pregnancy, you're damn well having a tubal pregnancy.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Why do those topics keep coming up when no president is going to effect anything other than marginal funding changes?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Of course, it's perfectly okay for the same guys to get treated for whatever illnesses THEY have.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The fuck?! Henry Aldridge in 1995 (Republican NC House of Reps. DENTIST: "omen do not get pregnant when raped because 'the juices dont flow, the body functions dont work' during an attack, a state lawmaker said yesterday."'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I always wondered about the logic behind that. Why is it 'God meant you to have a tubal pregnancy' but not 'God meant me to have prostate cancer, so I'm writing my will.''
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Because the only political tools that work anymore are the Veto and the Filibuster'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He remained in that seat 'til 1998! So he was relected for a 2nd term (aren't House terms 2 year terms?)?!'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods at Summoner Yuna.
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Who pays for things is a different issue. In a country like the US, where you are only supposed to get the health care you can afford unless your life is in danger, I suppose it's ok that the mother pays for it herself. In a modern country where wallet size doesn't determine what health care you get, I think abortions should be "free". '
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'By "free", I mean payed for by taxes.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Paul Ryan doesn't want any of that shit. He doesn't even want abortion to be legal unless the mother's life is in danger.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Heh. Well, it's pushed a lot of the wishy-washers into the Obama camp, so you should actually be happy they picked him.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Republicans tried to pass a bill where women would have to pay for EVERY themselves UNLESS they were "forcibly raped". So, no insurance, no tax money, no tax deduction.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Great party for women that GOP.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's STILL a dead heat because the voters are bunch of fucktards.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada peers intently at Summoner Yuna.
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Paul Ryan's latest lies: Obama promised to save the auto industry, yet he allowed a GM plant in my home town to close! How dare he?! He broke a campaign promise!'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If the voters were really clever, I imagine neither Romney nor Obama would have a snowball's chance in you-know-where'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That GM plant? It closed in 2008, during Bush's presidency!'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'same goes for their respective parties :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'Well, putting aside semantics on 'forcibly' if they were raped, it was consensual sex. Which means she made a decision, specifically she accepted a risk of birth control failure. If she aborts after coming out on the losing end of the gamble, why SHOULDN'T she pay?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'Sorry.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'By the way, Paul Ryan also claims he was against the stimulus and never asked for stimulus money, yet several letters signed by him on his own stationary were sent out ASKING for stimulus money for his state. He first denied any knowledge of any begging for stimulus money. Then when the letters were produced, he blamed it on his workers.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'If they weren't raped, it was consentual.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'forgot a very important 'n't'.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, there's also incest/statutory rape.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because maybe 13 yearolds don't fucking know better.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Especially not if they were talked into it by an older relative.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Also, quite honestly, people who can't pay for abortion don't need to be having children.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Paul Ryan's made an attack ad out of the whole "Obama totally didn't retroactively save that GM plant with his time traveling powers". It's still on the air and he will probably never apologize for it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'If they can't pay for abortion, what are the chances of them paying for proper diet, prenatal care, etc?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Today's U.S. politics in a nutshell. Lie through your teeth, hope your base consists of fucktards.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'happily this seems to be the case for both parties, so it is clearly a winning strategy'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yeah... you give me 3 demonstrably false Democratic attack ads approved and/or paid for by the Obama administration and I'll give you 10 ads approved and/or paid for by Romney/Ryan.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm afraid my interest in US politics doesn't extend to their campaign ads, it stops somewhere in the vicinity of actual policy'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'any world issues that need solving ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'weed smoking...good or bad?  GO!'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'GOOOOOOD!    case close'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'self abuse vs. life ......  prob ur situation is because of ur intake ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I get shots because is a condotion of my release - '
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'they call it dope for a reason imo ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm a dole bludger atm - supported accommodation - getting armed n angry - gonna make a diff one way or another !'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is bbc news trying to get multicultural nations to conform to islam? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19295861'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '225 billion dollars might make them see the allah'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'on the wake of the ordinary muslim story, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19311098 Pakistani police have arrested a mentally disabled 11-year-old girl after a mob accused her of desecrating pages of the Koran.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'useful tool for euthanasia mercy killings maybe, 'it was his will''
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Last year, Shahbaz Bhatti, the minister for minority affairs, was killed after calling for the repeal of the blasphemy law.  His death came just two months after the murder of Punjab Governor Salman Taseer, who also spoke out about the issue.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they were both muslims it would seem that not all muslims want to genocide non-muslims and mentally deficient human specimin's'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but it seems those other ones are more the hard-liners that are in control of muslims, otherwise they probably wouldn't have been killed'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cause that blasphemy story doesn't make much sense does it?  to them i guess god lives in their book, even though they probably know otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'christian slave woman sentenced to death for blasphemously bringing some unclean water to her muslim slave counterparts'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ordinary stuff, lets all convert to allah cause they have tourism 225 billion dollars'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sound like gaddafi flaunting some call-girl converts to islam in italy'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'pretty soon it'll be unprofitable to build businesses that sell products to non-muslims'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's eating you today, chemoshypoos?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the news'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whicih bits?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's in -h'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '1 in 3 people by 2025 will be muslims according to the article'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pakistan?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can't see that happening'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or are the islamic countries really outbreeding everyone else that fast?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''jews only' or 'whites only' are easier to spot than 'muslims only''
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nothing wrong with racism though, it's why there's laws against anybody but the muslims being racist'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're a religion, not a race'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or didn't they go around and tell white business owners in the racist areas of america that they had to sell their wares and hire black people (to), will they do that with muslims and non-muslims?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if a church owned wal-mart and wal-mart owned every business name in town, and wal-mart only sold to it's congregation - would they tell wal-mart what's up?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sure i understand the question'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the article is about building muslim-centric businesses and hotel's, obeying the quran for the tourists'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and having non-muslims in your muslim facilities might be like the wal-mart scenario over time, depending how prevalent it goes'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you suggest?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that they criticize it's development like they criticized white business owners'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'society conforming to racism or religious-segregation both seem about the same'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crioni: 'Jim Crow was more systemic then small businesses enforcing the Koran'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crioni: 'most people can just avoid these businesses, whereas blacks had little alternative'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i understand that, but the same kind of situation can happen over time as things become more normalized and it appears more profitable and 'bought' by the muslims, for the muslims'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i imagine 'jim crow' assuming he's a racist, didn't have trillions of dollars of assets to invest into the process of discrimination'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crioni: 'Jim Crow laws were laws enforcing segreagation in the south here in America.  '
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they probably have a system protecting the country from 'jim crow's' but i'm not so sure about multi-trillion dollar investors'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and to think they don't discriminate, the muslims who maybe don't seem to get slaughtered and not have the final say on things, so if they're successful in something like this - it's good to keep an eye on'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '11 year old mentally handicap girls charged for blasphemy by her muslim majority nation, cowardly upheld by the law who sees her for what she is'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or christian woman sentenced to death because her muslim-coworkers accused her of blasphemy for bringing water for them, which was unclean water'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no discrimination to watch out for obviously, but there is isn't there?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well this is why you need to fight against stupid Liberals with silly legislation, like those mafia thugs running Chicago and Boston who said they'd ban Chick Fill A from operating in their cities because of some personal views of the owner'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Islam and Allah are fucknuts insane and should be stamped out before they infect the rest of the world'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if muslims want to live like that, they can stay where they bring it from, i think'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'It's probably already too late though.  Those nutjobs want to reduce the whole world to a 12th century caliphate.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't mind them having their churches and things like that, but telling society to become pakistan is a little far, isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you just need some sensible people in charge. Unfortunately you've got Obomney'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crioni: 'there's bad apples in every religion.  There's people who'd want their nation to be a Christian/Muslim/Jewish nation.  Most of the world is moving toward secularization.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't agree with that'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since most of the world isn't, the direction of travel is the opposite direction'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crioni: 'the protests in the middle east in the last 2 years are testament to that.  People prefer 'freedom' over religious or government oppression.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'erm'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you think the Muslim Brotherhood is secular?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Libya was secular'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Egypt was secular'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Syria was secular'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'There are bad apples in every religion, and Islam seems to be mostly bad apples'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in at least 2 of those 3 countries you're going to end up with Muslim Brotherhood'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the government apparently did oppress them though, if virginity tests are any sign of the law'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it's too bad they got a religious government now though, bad things for any not of their religion if other countries are any indication'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'probably not the type of freedom alot of those protestors were protesting for'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was a predictable outcome'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US is threatening to impose a no-fly zone over Syria. Hope Russia shoots em down'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'no fly zone -> we bomb al-Assad zone -> we get airbase from new gov't -> yay'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crioni: 'debate yeah, that's all we need.  Another war.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I expect the rebels will effectively have won in 2 months time'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'We're already waging... how many wars?  I've lost count.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know about you, but i find it quite distasteful they'd help a bunch of people that they 'claim' were responsible for a terrorist act, the result of which trillions of my tax payers money has been burnt on a war for, and for which I am now liable to be stopped and searched without a warrant and without just cause for, and have everything i do online tracked and recorded for'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Iraq isn't technically a war anymore, since it's just 5k (?) mercenaries under DoJ or something'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: '5000 mercenaries?  It's a war.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada peers intently at Starling.
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'But...but..look, no soldiers!'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada circles his hands above his head trying to construct a halo.
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also those are peacekeeping mercenaries'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly.
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Who is the big mercenary company these days?  Is it still Blackwater?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'they changed name and moved hq'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they renamed to Xe and then something else'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'were they peacekeeping mercenaries that were dressed up as sh'ites that went and bombed in Southern Iraq deliberately to stir up sectarian tensions?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crioni: 'Academi'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'interesting group i thought, trained in killing people but not the military, and not charged for killing people'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why aren't they just the military instead?  sounds almost roman or those ostragoths'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm glad the biggest controversy where I live is gas drilling and fracking'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'actually it should be state that has the mercs, not justice?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Holder just lets the guns run away anyway..'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hasn't he been prosecuted yet?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't disagree with them, i just find them peculiar'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'house started their case last week, I think'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i notice they've been working overtime to try and bury the news about the 1.4bn rounds of hollowpoint ammunition being bought through different internal government agencies'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It seems highly probable that Holder knew what was going on, and covered things up, and lied to Issa & co.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gee, you think?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I think only about half of the bullets were hollow point, others were different types, like wallbreaking thingies and whatnot.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'People in power lying?  Tinana, you're such a pessimist.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada meeps at Starling!
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Also, who is to say DHS doesn't need 5 bullets for each US citizen.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they need that ammo for training and protection in the field'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would they need ammo type that is illegal in war for target practice?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'this year's orders appear to be 5-6k bullets per DHS employee, so I'm sure it's just for training'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think Obama will stage another fake terror attack before november?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'When asked "What method of transportation does the rabbit mainly use", 8 out of 10 respondents in an online quiz game got it right. The other two answers "C) Fly" and "D) Slither". I weep for humanity.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'welcome to the world of fluoridated water and tv'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''what we have there is a success' http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/faultlines/2012/08/201281381310569607.html pretty gory, and still they're snorting cocaine and shooting heroine across america, i think they could try out different approaches to the problem but i guess they have their reasons for it'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't make the media or anything though, just what it's talking about it what i'm considering'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some 'clear and present danger' or something, seems a little murky though'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe classified reasons, who knows'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as far as i could gather, because in 1970's america was flooded with cocaine which made it less valuable, miami became the murder capital of america until it's availability was restrained and it's value increased'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so, that might be the extent of various drug enforcements'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and why they refuse to even talk with south american nations known for their drug production about restrategizing the war on drugs to focus on making it not the most profitable blood-industry around and stuff'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i imagine somewhere up there they got it all figured out there'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't really care if you snort some cocaine or shoot some heroine except when i think about the death that provides it for you, then that turns me off of using it myself'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not unique though, i watched a documentary about a mexican border city whose resident cartel donned police uniforms in their enforcers, effectively being the law'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'making sure things go according to the strange kind of law i guess'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'punishing rival cocaine cowboys for not giving their boss (and themselves) a cut of the action, and they best be remembering who the law is'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Vietnamese victims of Agent Orange received little encouragement from a federal appeals panel when they sought Monday to reinstate their claim that U.S. companies committed war crimes by making the toxic chemical defoliant available for use in the Vietnam War.  The three-judge panel of the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals seemed more receptive to arguments by lawyers for the companies and the U.S. government that there was no evil intent when Agent Orange was used to clear the Vietnamese landscape of unfriendly crops for troops. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/agent-orange-victims-support-war-crimes-push-article-1.221089'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i even seen a documentary with a vietnam war vet who got sick from it and got no compensation from the government, so they'll get nowhere with that i guess'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think they spent 50 or 500 million dollars on chemical bombing some war on drugs places too, so there's no historical war crime to refer to'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you hear about the ruling in the church-diddling case that says priests aren't employed by the vatican?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'and what's the problem with that?  priesthood is not a job :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no evil intent, so instead of homicide is manslaughter?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or .. nothing'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'manslaughter is thoughtless murder. No planning or intent.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'It means that you can't sue "the guys making the rules" when they attempt to shuffle the diddlers around so that nobody notices they're diddlers.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they must have suspected that some of those villagers would be poisoned'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'prove it :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen some pictures and it's pretty terrible what it did to them'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'll leave bernard shaw quotes out of any proofs, starving enemies to death or dissidents in 1930's is obsolte too'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and it's just extrapolation at that point and presumption'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'thalidomide was interesting too, in 1951 front page news in britain of limbless halt children with defects born thanks to it, but until 1963 applied in the british sovereign canada nation'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not pro-life or anything but, like to understand what rules it'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're using thalidomide in australia for something now, be interesting to see if they cchange it's name and add it to the medicine cabinets of the poor across the world'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''you worthless poor person' 'get to work at the jobs we sent to mexico and china so you can afford to pay me my taxes or you'll be bernard shaw'd''
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'stalin has to eat too you know'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'will the gulag ever come to collect stalin's grain?  or are they ancient history?  replace with a newlag?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they've been replaced with internet porn.  A real goolag.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so the kgb produces all smut porno studio's across north america and europe, collecting stalin's grain for the entertainment of the demoralized masses conspiracy theory?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, they let the romanians and middle easterners do the illegal stuff.  KGB is more into the legal porn, the fake "illegal" porn, and mail-order brides.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sick middle eastern romanians, where's their business ediquette'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or is it etiquette'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you look up ukrainian porn on google, you'll find some questionable articles'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's where they say on the news the black sea russian fleet is located in non-communist ukraine, which amnesty international claims 600,000 civilians get tortured by the police per year'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'when did Romanians become middle-eastern?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so lookin at that, and wondering if the gulag and world war 2's 'dark ages' and all that kind of treatments are obsolete and irrelevant, it really can be a serious question'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i never said they were, he said they produce illegal porno's and kgb does the fake illegal porno's, so i was being sarcastic'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'ah :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'incidents like these bring into question the use of american tax-payer dollars to supply 'foreign' security forces (in this case a boy was beaten for a bribe and if he didn't pay up he'd be killed) http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/faultlines/2012/08/201281381310569607.html'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'makes semse if it's how they report, seems to be a legitimate question there'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the war on drugs doesn't seem to stop cocaine and heroine being available on nearly every district in america'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some places in alaska maybe are the most difficult to find it at'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'If you think about it, after 70 years and all the money we've spent, the war on drugs must be working exactly as intended.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'It just seems that the stated goals aren't the actual goals.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'war on drugs, implicatively supporting the terrorist government enforcers of a foreign government, while they wage a war on terror across the ocean'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is what it can appear as lookin through the kind of video's i seen, there seems to be alot of inadequacies and unaddressed concerns'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, exactly as intended is what i was thinking'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'hopefully the boy and his mother are alright, but i wouldn't be surprised to find out all the people in that video, sans the higher ups, went missing afterwards'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can understand their hatred'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the woman even mentions in the video that there is no work for anybody in that country, and they'd rather see the us taxpayer money being directed into fixing that problem which would be more effective in a war on drugs'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and for every runway the security forces war on drugs are ordered to bomb, it would cost the druggers about 3 dollars to pay a local impoverished person to repave it'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'education and health care and stuff'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'affordable housing etc, and she has a point'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but the war on drugs is probably going according to plan if they can rule that out and see some higher logic in it'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if cocaine was worthless and people thought thinking clearly was the desireable state, and retards think strangely as a mental handicap temporal, then would they be killing eachother about who gets to send it to their logical marketplace as much?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or what would they kill eachother over, how to make sure that they like to distort their sanity and become clinically retarded for a duration so that they can keep on milking the bull'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you use cocaine, and commit crimes cause you're inspired by cocaine or cause you need money to get more of it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lets you see the fast-ways to make money more'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or what they up to'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Just ask yourself, Chem... when was the last time you heard about a Coors truck getting robbed, and all the Molson employees rounded up a posse to go kill all the Anheiser crew they could locate.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'They're doing what they have to do in order to protect their investments in a multibillion dollar commodities market.'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lots of things multibillions of dollars can buy, i imagine somebody with that kind of money could make just about anything appear real to most people'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think there's something beyond money after you reach a certain level of power though that matters more than getting more of it'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so if that's a taboo commodity and generally crime surrounds it's production and use, and the government is there to advise people on how to live without the influence of crime or else they are liable to the law, who may happen to have a hand in the crime's very roots - and they'll wage war's on terror costing hundreds of thousands of lives from there and abroad across the ocean to tackle opium smuggling terrorists who commit domestic attacks on financial institutions, which could be bought by sale of such commodity - they hesitate to address these issues logically with the reasonable people who partake in such commodity's and who endure their presence in society, what kind of a democratic war on drugs is that?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, absolute power is the ultimate end and it is as elusive as happiness :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know if i put that right but, seems like a residential school teacher brainwashing the indians, who are multicultural under the government, to be how they want them to be, while providing all the vices they're taught not to partake in, as they will be punished by the people who provided their chosen poison otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so there in the video, apparently, is several honduran people stating that american tax-money being spent on security forces there is not desired by them, the people'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they've got something to gain by saing they don't want that money, especially used as it is, but it's still considerable'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'america's 'we the people' democracy infringing the democracy of honduras 'we the people', with their taxes'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what exactly are they protecting, if not creating loathing in their apparently outnumbering citizens to security forces towards america in general?  is that really the way to create a world free from the influence of narcotics?'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if such a world was even possible, i think those billions or hundresd of millions of dollars could be spent on developing alternative solutions to the problem that never gets fixed'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'learn to farm and hard work then no one will have time to fight'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'manual labour's some of the most worthless work on earth though, the people who manage it will still have time, or who they work for the money of, i think sharing burden's is an alright thing though'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'right in this surrounding land i'm in is enough to survive on for centuries, but that's not how the world is organized, there is no community's like that'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and if there was, they'd be attacked by the government most likely'
T3/r7/2012-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'there is starting in england I believe I read the article. At least someone is starting.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe the republicans can gain some steam if they quit picking on the poor in america and focus on the democracy's in their foreign aid packages who don't want none of the security paid for by the tax payers'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'rep, dem it's one boot or the other'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i bet that'd never happen though'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i know, probably get JFK'd by voodoo haitians or something if they tried'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that papa doc wikipedia page is classic i don't know, i looked him up while reading through bbc's country profiles'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if the people in honduras on the video http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/faultlines/2012/08/201281381310569607.html were asking to quit sending them money from american tax payers, cause then the cartels who pay them handsomely would have no resistance in their conquest of the world - then how come they have such a high homicide rate, disappearing people by security forces and assassination of reporters and things like that?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just to keep the criminals from voicing their opposition to foreign aid packages?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'he wasn't the only one the US supported then discarded later when they became troublesome... Trujillo, Somoza, Noriega and Hussain are others.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it goes to cartels apparently and not the living circumstances of the people there, who don't have many options to earn money legally - and the high value of the drugs makes them almost the only opportunity at wealth'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what did they have in common? Well, they didn't like communism :>'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'oops, i mean the government's security forces'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, and don't forget Bin Laden :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read about a summit of the americas on bbc awhile ago that said like the woman in the video was saying, about devaluing the drugs and battling the war on drugs with education and opportunity, along with dynamically solving the problem as a democracy and handling it etc'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there really isn't very much opportunities in the world per capita as there used to be, i think, there was even plenty of independent shoemakers and things like that just 50 years ago'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Drugs shouldn't even be illegal. The crime, gangs, and other problems are not related to people using responsibly using recreational intoxicants.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Just look what happened with alcohol during prohibition. Chicago has never recovered from the mob takeover that bootleg booze funded.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'canada and america were against democratically considering restructuring the war on drugs and things like that'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but they had some legitimate points'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'd wager you can find cocaine or heroine even in the cities housing the CIA and DEA headquarters, and is that much of a success?  they go poor to feed their habits might be a success i guess'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'But every legitimate argument to outlaw drugs involves the personal risks that the user faces. Everything else is prohibition-related. People are shooting one another because they're high. They're doing it because they got ripped off, and there are consequences. And cartels aren't taking over third-world countries because they're stoned. They're doing it because they have billions to spend and they want a safe haven for their illegal activities.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'People *aren't... I meant to say.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'everyone needs food, love and encouragement then nothing needs to be illegal because there would be less issues'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'and overtime should pay 1000 dollars an hour to allow dads and moms to go home to the kids'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, because going home to the kids is a lot more important than feeding them'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'It's not about legalizing murder, or legalizing hurting people. And it's not about rainbows and puppy dogs. Go look up Harry J Anslinger. He's the guy who started it all. He didn't do it to protect the kids. Or to prevent crime. He did it because he was a morphine addict and his pharmacist was giving him a hard time. So he found an easier way to get his drugs, without getting hassled.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'a drunk driver will run a stop sign. a stoned drive rwill wait for it to turn green. :D'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I can testify to that :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Ok that was worth a chuckle.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zanbone: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'after 20 minutes, it stayed red, so I decided to run it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the personal risks that the user faces are significant, but education and opportunity can impose themselves on awareness of that, right?  they can still get it anyways, just the personal risks are more malevolent with the price and outlaws who barter it - i think'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'babysitting a democracy of responsible child bearing adults, it fails anyways'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'babysitting isn't much of an excuse for all of that i think'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An Oath: 'Not to mention the increased risk users face from unregulated adulterants that are used to increase profits.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uilleann: 'babysitting a democracy is democrasitting'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'anybody feeling angsty today?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anyone here wanna save the world ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or at least chew it over ?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'humans won't save the world'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'it's humans that have destroyed it'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you are either the problem or the soln ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'there is no human solution at this stage'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'bike riding hippy vegans don't help ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'they contribute less to the problem, but no, they don't actually solve anything'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'can we believe in the panacea of technology ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'it would be nice to, but it's technology that is actually destroying the planet'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or the next strain of H1N? flu ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'diseases become immune to treatment over time'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'call me a lefty but capatalism is destroying the environment imo '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'people are destroying the environment'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'no form of human government has the ability to solve mankinds problems, they are all flawed'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'triple bottom line economics would do something to curb our problems but the comparative disadvantage of it's application will kill the countries economy that institutes it ?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'the economy is inherently flawed since the 1900s or so'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'it's designed in such a way that debt will increase and the economy will eventually crash'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'interesting , mass production ? ford etc ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'it's not a case of /if/ the economy crashes, it's just a matter of time'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ahh inbuilt crashes - haven't the last few been caused by non transparent accounting ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'the whole system is flawed, the way a bank can receive a $10 depoit then lend out $10,000 based on that $10 real money'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'that $9,990 is practically fictional money, but interest can be charged on it'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so fractional reserve lending is a prob , yes I agree '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'it's only a problem if the economy become stagnant. So long as the economy keeps on growing, it's not a problem.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'however, it's impossible that the economy continues to grow indefinitely.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'at the end of this you either die last - ur ppl in bubbles of a corperate fiefdom or get off the planet first and establish new systems ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'in order for the economy to grow continually more and more resources need to be taken from the planet.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'resources like oil are quickly running out. When there are not enough resources the economy cannot continue to grow and will crash.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'not to mention, no-one has really considered the effects of taking a large amount of oil from the earth.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'it's basically just assumed that the oil is there for no reason and that it is free to be mined.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the resource wars will come but imo they are already here - the sword is the dollar ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'psh.... oil.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'wade in Zac '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'once I finish my campaign'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the water is rational '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'doubt, since you're involved... :-)'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'sick burn'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I have learned to pick my window and get out with my tail still wagging - just need practice - but ty for the jibe :P I learn from these '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'What are y'all talking about today?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the end of the world - no biggy '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'What about it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'not sure what others are talking about, I'm talking about how humans have destroyed the planet'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'and that there is no real human solution'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Ahh, didn't know Al Gore played Aardwolf. Welcome, sit.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'flawed human economy - makes me want to dust off Marx '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Why Marx?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'I'm not Al Gore. But to act as if global warming is a myth is the other extreme.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the left has the soln perhaps ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'I can understand why people would want to do it though. They feel it dissolves them of any responsibility.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'it's something easier to believe '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'absolves - but yeah perhaps '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'absolves / dissolves'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'same thing'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Global warming is a good thing. Running out of resources is not.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz I hate that shit too - again soz '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'around moron housemates - atm F bring back Zyclon B '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'not sure why global warming is a good thing.....aren't the deserts growing? Could not global warming account for the increase in freak weather?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'global warming increases the livable areas and promotes biodiversity and whatnot'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Global warming isn't bad, nor is it good. You can't assign a moral value to the actions of natural processes.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'just for the record I do not believe this is a natura spike in global temperature as some "scientists" would have you believe'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'But the consequences of those processes might be either good or bad for us, as a species. And our fellow species.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'it's unnatural, caused by humans and pollution/deforestation etc'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'more atmospheric co2 improves photosynthesis and thus all plant life'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and makes it possible for plants to survive in drier areas'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'perhaps we are in for a time of economic Darwinism ? the poor can't protect against weather etc which is becoming more extreme - they die - only the savy live - jeez I'm fucked '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Gregor - I agree. I got my degree in geography.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz can we swear here  R ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Tzad, you drinking again?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'As for the climate changes, current models appear to be rather worse than mean-reverting random walk models, and realistic measurement errors are the same size as the supposed warming'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we live in domes or terraform the moon ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Zac apparently I'm worse sober - I really don't like humans alot of the time but thats my  own sys bug '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I don't really know what there is to debate concerning climate change though.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Other than we we as a collective can do about it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so we are in for more weather events that  involve refugees ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It appear reasonably clear that the world has become warmer over the past generation, but given the limitations of current climate science and models, the size and causes of the warming remain unresolved'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Most likely.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Yeah Tinada, but even from the estimates that do exist we can make reasonable inferences. We can also begin to look for plausible courses of action.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'in the spirit of increased vigilance is it only the reporting of  weather events that has made an increase of has there been a real increase ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'otherwise it's what....a huge coincidence...? that post-industrial-revoluation the global temperature has done nothing but rise on aggregate??'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'if global temperature continues to rise as it has been, and certainly might, we are going to be in trouble in the not too distant future.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Gregor I don't think anybody is arguing that it wasn't human-caused...'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'at least not here'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'Some people will though Zac'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'wasn't sure if that's what tinada is hinting at'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'OK Greg - I'll take it as moot that the agregate temp has increased - has weather events - ie floods /  cyclones also increased ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'And I'm not too sure about the "trouble" part. There will be consequences, but we aren't going to blow up the earth...'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'some people believe it's a natural flow of increased temperature / decreased temperature between ice ages, which personally I feel is incorrect.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I have a beef with  "the point of no return" theory tho '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'it causes the "well it's fucked already" rational imo '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'can I swear here - R? I don't wanna get banned Again... '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I don't care.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'pretty sure you can swear here if you want, don't really see why it's necessary though.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'So as to your question about severe weather - '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'they say swearing is the refuge of those who struggle with limited vocabulary.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the tech is there imo to curb alot of the damage we do to the environ ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'the tech is there yes. But is it possible to curb people's greed? I don't think so'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'there are a couple of things that are leading to increased severity of storms. The first is melting icepacks and glaciers, and the second is the warming of surface waters. Both lead to more events.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz is a crass form of expression - I'll try better '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'if a fraction of the $ that was spent on weaponry every year was taken, it could solve world poverty/hunger issues.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'the tech is there, the resources are there. You can't stop people's greed though.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'I wonder if it global warming and/or damage to the environment could also be related to increase in earthquakes and their severity.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Doubt it gregor.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm worried about the  power of guidelines  from the EPA etc are too slow to act beacuse the country nextdoor will not impliment the same regs and so the country that impliments it last (china) will gain comparative advantage making environmantal control a limiting factor in a countries economy - ie a disincentive? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'What I am saying is, (1) The IPCC notion that co2 is the primary driver of observed warming since 1970 is neither proved nor likely. Minor variations in cloud cover or solar activity are sufficient to explain the changes, (2) The uncertainty of the measurement process is far higher than claimed, likely by an order of magnitude, (3) Their climate models are worse than random walks, ie. functionally useless until improved, (4) Most of the supposed coming warming is from positive feedback effects which don't match observations'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'I don't think it's unlikely; granted we may not aware of an exact link at this stage.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '(5) Global warming (in the +2C range) is good (economic, biodiversity), (6) More atmospheric CO2 (2x range) is good (more effective photosynthesis), (7) The proposed economic solutions don't work and cause more problems than they solve and (8) This entire process moves focus from the real problems (resource shortages, pollution etc) '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and that list is rather incomplete too :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'What are your sources for these claims?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'for example, could removal of oil from the ground influence the severity and friction between tectonic plates when they collide?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'great post Tin - where from ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'not from any place in particular, I'm just making my own list'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo Gray no but ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Ok, so you are just guessing?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'great to havy you here then Tin '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly at Ranrr.
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I may possibly have read some research. 1-4 is uncertain/open to debate, 5-8 is pretty much certain, I think.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so we can  plan from either end of the spectrum  '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'm ok with opposing views, but without sources, they aren't really wort a lot.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'though could minor variations in cloud cover depend on more co2 in the atmosphere?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'tinada is the source.......'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Ran (G'day) is good to have a range to work with ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It is true that IPCC is a bit weak on the science, they watered down the effects of global warming, so it's probably worse than they claim.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But 5-8 may be true.... for the western world.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I'm still confused as to what the argument actually is. Does anybody have an argument?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'base tho - stuff is going to get worse or stay the same - is not going to get better - the driver is economics - no one country can change without experiencing disadvantage - ergo all countries need to change together and regulate industry/domestic sources of energy ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'there Ya go Zac chew on the ratational one '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'rational*'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The normal argument is that because IPCC is doing things 100% right, global warming must be a hoax and we should burn fossil fuels as fast as we can. Not saying that's the case now, but it's a common discussion on debate :D'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'eh, I meant _not_ doing things 100% right'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol you saw my eyes widen didn't u :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'It's not exclusively economic. That was my general problem with Marxian thought.... he relates everything to economic capital while disregarding other forms... social, political, moral capital are all valuable as well. But anyway. There are plenty of nations that can enact protective environmental measures without there being a significant detriment to their international standing, politically or economically.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'across the carbon tax in Oz ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'n yeah Marx is pretty dated but is a lefty touchstone '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Ranrr, that train of thought is pretty ludicrous. Please tell me nobody actually espouses that on here, do they?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is actually the industry standard argument ... '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '(5) is relatively straightforward if you look at the location of assorted climate zones and current biological and social possibilities. For (6), there is a large body of research dealing with the beneficial effect of increased atmospheric co2, as, say, any random search for something like co2 and crop yields will show.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'dilute that for us dumb asses Tin ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'tell the people living in desert and drought areas that they need another +2C'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Tinada is suggesting that global warming (assuming it was caused by CO2), is not necessarily detremental.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Curiously, more atmospheric co2 also allows plants to live in drier areas, which may be part of the reason for recent desert shrinkage'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'And that there are good things to come of it, such as making a wider range of areas on the Earth more habitable, increasing plant growth/crop yeild, so on...'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'maybe so, but you have desert areas popping up at other places'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Deserts are just as viable of an ecological niche as a tropical rain forest.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '(7) follows from more or less basic economic theory, and the need to practically eliminate fossil fuels in an impossibly short window. As for the cost/benefit analysis, even if you ignore (5) and (6), you would realistically have to kill a couple billion peoples to get significant climate effects. (8) is also rather obvious given that resource shortage prevents any of the IPCC type solutions short of killing the vast majority of humans.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'not necessarily for the people living there zacc'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'any change has associated costs, this does not mean that the overall result is bad'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Then they can move.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah where I was from (central Oz) will turn into a sparse woodland from a desert by 2050 according to natioonal geographic magazine ..  but the flood of environmental refugees will eat us out of house n home and while drifting pick up no job skills so an economic drain too ... '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'tell poor people who don't even have food enough for the day to move, it's not that simple'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so we are back to environmental/ economic Darwinism ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Sadly, a not insignificant part of recent food crises are due to changing crop land to hilariously ineffecient subsidized fuel production.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'thb I welcome that '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'So Tinada, you're contention then is that we shouldn't be so worried with global warming and climate change, but with resource shortages?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'And if we really were to cut our use of fossil fuels, you know which couple billion people would die - it's not us.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the resource wars I mentioned ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I have a cool article about resource wars I can link...'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'It's not scholarly, but it's video game related:-)'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I don't know about worrying, I don't quite have the personality for that. I think resource (energy, water, soil) shortages and pollution (not co2..) are where we should concentrate efforts.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no - we are coccroaches - if it exists - we will use it to live  imo'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1212125-closed-map-experiment/'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Yeah, I agree with you Tinada.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Except I would be more "worried" about how my family/people/country made sure that we had resources, and not everybody on the planet.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Those are serious problems though, and I'm not sure there is any practical solution short of some world government-ish thing'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'I do agree with you there Tinada, there are far more important issues than the co2, but saying the co2 isn't bad at all is a bit much I guess'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'OK that we have established that shortages will be the pinch point  extrapolate - in future there will be wars over resources - my point is that it is happening already - the sword is the dollar ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Co2 is the gas of life, it is a good thing! Plants also need to breathe.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'there might be one or two incidental benefits from increased Co2 in the environment, but the overall effect of global warming is negative.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'zad - tone the marxism down a notch. regor - references? inada - Too much of anything can be bad...'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'so who is to say recent floods and hurricans, earthquakes, tsunamis aren't the cause of more co2 in the atmosphere? I know there might be natural causes aswell, but no one knows that for sure either'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I forgot the at sign does color changes...'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'That is true, hence my initial 2xrange restriction. Burn all known fossil fuels and we might possibly get there.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'are you suggesting seismic activity is the result of increased co2 in the atmosphere?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'Zacc, was really just talking about your points of melting polar caps + increased water temperature causing more severe storms.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'Some scientists predict that huge parts of the UK will be under water by 2040'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Or did I get that wrong?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'maybe not co2, but could be a result of less oil in the ground'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'my concern relates to the OZ economy - we are only rich because China is buying our resources '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'ok'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'there's also that massive nuclear furnace in the sky'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Sun or Sun Tzu ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Sea levels are somewhat confounded by significant land masses still rising after previous ice age, so you could argue that the sea is rising, we just don't notice it much, since the land is also rising..'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it would be interesting to read the verdict from scientists in teh year 3000 when they conclude why things happened the way it did with the planet.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ty Tin so again we can say that the difficulty is a lack of current resources not a change in climate - given that it is "normal" ?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Even normal climate change creates problems, and since at least some of the climate change is driven by humans, it is not unreasonable to divert some resources to help nations which are worse off'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'foresight/hindsight is 0/20 ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok by what mechanism can we do that Tin - NOTA ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'NATO*'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and at what point do we wright em off ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Write*'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'That is a bit tricky too, since a large portion of the problems seem to end up in already poor nations, and those nations are largely poor as a result of internal problems, lack of higher level social structures and institutions and whatnot, making large scale interventions (see: last two generations of aid) mostly wasted'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also bonus points for excessive use of large'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'given the present power is capatalism perhaps a tax on all trades on all stock exchanges - tho that then creates a black market '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I wouldn't worry too much about relatively sophisticated resource based economies (Australia etc), since SE Asian demand/economies are likely to put you in a generation long boom'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'You can do a financial transaction tax, you just have to make it tiny, not the 1% craziness suggested by some people'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'LOL Tin they regularly end up here on unsafe  boats and the prevailing occer sentiment is to just sink the boats '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yes it needs to  be .01 etc but accross the board imo'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'That is another unpleasant problem. Should we (a) give one more or less random person asylum in Norway or (b) spend the same amount of money helping 20-100 people in Somalia (or wherever)'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Well...'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods at Tzadkiel.
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Personally...'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'great tangent ! '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Fuck Assange. Language for added emphasis.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'deb Io! Assange supporter over here - but go on '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'and send all that money to me over here in Burundi.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I think in general - every other species has natural dieback - why should we be exempt ? just at what level - look at the eugenics policies of the Nazis ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the useless cunts that can't find a job in Oz (5%unemployment) are keeping our intrest rates down - kill em an inflation increases ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Tzad, I don't know where you're going.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so as a resolution of our last  exchange - a  fixed tax of .01 for  a stock trade goes to a NATO? gov body and helps reform our  resource dependant wy of life ??? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'not NATO...'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the powers that be .. '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Most of the viking activity happened before the Scandinavian countries were unified'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'mis!'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '21 aug 19'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Tinada, I must know what that was about.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'my surname is Vigar ! son of Odin that avenged his  death !'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'brb - need beer '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not most, all. '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'back'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'am  I basically lucid ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'any of y'all redditors?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The period for viking was 800-1200 (ish), the countries were formed starting from 1500 (ish)'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Ran U ever heard of Vigar - I've only come across  it recently and maybe my mentor playing with me ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'redditors / explain ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Oh Zac we can't waste our oxygen wasters even though our 5unemployed for more than 5 yeaars just hit 100k of a 29mil pop  because they keep our inflation down '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so thank the next bum you see for that ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'am I still lucid ? 10-4 comeback left hanging here  ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'someone resopnd ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'ahh gay'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'lost power, had to start my generator.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no I wnet for more  beer  but I am mixing mogodon and shots idk bout so it looks fine to  me but ouitput can be shit'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'cool with R regulating just wanna know when'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'actually gettin g to the stsge where I should log off imo'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I just don't have a place that I can be soft  and ppl can be soft around me - is a real issue  '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Tzad, what are you talking about?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'if I buy a manor will I get a       manor chan nel ?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok next deb  -  a     softplace -    '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: '?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'OK TZ  out - ty for   theinput'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'alright peace.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'was it foreign aid packages that resulted in a toronto porno-theatre owner coming to toronto from tanzania, what made him choose that destination? 1980's, just curious speculating on the cameroon bailout of 2000'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'widespread government corruption and human rights abuses in tanzania too, so possibly they're on par with one another, like gaddafi's son owning condo's in toronto - maybe it's the upper echelon of worldwide criminal organizations'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that happen to be governments too'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i want to come from canada from tanzania where we voodoo witchcraft white albino's and the average income is eaten by flies so that i may open a porno theatre in your downtown sector'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all the common sense in the world, astronomical odds like a asteroid from outer space'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ridden by aliens no doubt'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they mentioned it on the news and the article seemed like a total mockup not worthy of the news, except for implication in some form of criminal activity'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if foreign aid buy's bazooka's for cartels in south america, i don't see why it doesn't buy multimillionairre porno operators in canada'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'from .. tanzania'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'any real nation would want it's population to be satisfied within their own borders means, including housing and education, security which they willfully participate in, before feeding a hungry mouth somewhere else, which is ruled by people who are not hungry'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'thats naive chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is it really?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so it's best to cater to their foreign investments owning porno theatres in your nation'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'well that will be in the wonder world but, real world dosent work that way'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'because you were feeding starving children and things like that'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it does though, definitely has in the past'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'according to what history i read in modern times'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'chemosh yea in the past maybe, now i dont know is like, well maybe that guy in france does care but they so few'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crioni: 'h -5'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crioni: 'oops :D'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'well have to go cya'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'american war on drugs to protect the people, while they cut programs for the poor and uneducated in america, and their enforcing security in south american nations is the 'main murderers' in those nations and oppressors of the poor, thanks to the war on drugs money that was more neccessary than programs for the poor in america, which alot of the civilians in the aided war on drug nations seem to be against because it doesn't solve a thing - is one shining example'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/faultlines/2012/08/201281381310569607.html'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you can find millions of articles on that though, check some sources etc and compare it to see how real it appears'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how much was drug cartels wanting the american opposition removed from their bartering circles, and how come they silence people who question america in the nations where drug-money rules, including reporters and things like that, if america wasn't aiding and abetting the criminals with the money, as criminals are usually the ones who murder people who are right'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'obviously a foreign nation will kill reporters and anybody who is opposed to american security from american tax payers, because they're obviously against drugs being illegal and can't be shunned through logic'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'instead of having themselves a hayday with the money, enacting their will on others like those contra's in the 70's and 80's'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that's why they silence them instead'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just seems dirty to me, i think they should provide more transparency in these processes so that people can make sure their taxes aren't being used misappropriationately, as they were in haiti in the 60's and 70's and things like that'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'otherwise they should acknowledge their law is a criminal and be a solidarity nation of the devil'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'From an early stage, the rebels received decisive financial and military support from the United States government, initially supplemented by the Argentine dictatorship of the time. After U.S. support was banned by Congress, the Reagan administration tried to covertly continue contra aid.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but in the 'real world', nothing like that has taxes wasted on it any longer, human rights abuses etc, funding the people in charge for the crimes against humanity that generate world vision commercials and thingsl ike this'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'something like 93 members of congress tried to veto this war on drugs in the video from aljazeera too, funding to honduras'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i doubt they'll get anywhere with that though'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '500 million dollars and phone calls to your sister might spook you into action at the airport, slipping the cocaine in an inconspicuous place'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or those pre-cleared shipping containers for notorious companies in canada and mexico border services, they have an electronic chip, so obviously they don't require any human scrutiny'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'costs too much to keep things secure anyways, unlike investing in security in other nations'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whose people appear to be against it'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think they should develop a rape panel in the united nations that monitors conduct between nations'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's that? you thought you had money invested in a pension? Not for long, the banks are about to defraud you out of it'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, Cops interrogate mother and write report for 'letting her kids play outdoors''
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'OMG, what was she thinking?!  Like, doesn't she know about all the smog, missing children, traffic, gangbangers who can't shoot what they're pointing their guns at, and the hole in the ozone layer?  Take those kids away from her before they get hurt, man!'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'former marine committed indefitinely for questioning 9/11'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and the germs!  It should be a capital crime that soil is just dirt infested with microbes, rather than an artificial blend containing a goodly amount of sanitizer.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and just 30 years ago according to what i read, A Sandinista militiaman interviewed by The Guardian stated that Contra rebels committed these atrocities against Sandinista prisoners after a battle at a Sandinista rural outpost: "Rosa had her breasts cut off. Then they cut into her chest and took out her heart. The men had their arms broken, their testicles cut off. They were killed by slitting their throats and pulling the tongue out through the slit." -- so what level of violence are american foreign aid packages and wars on drugs for american liberal's haltered at supporting, insistently?   From the mid-1980s, as the Reagan administration and the rebels sought to portray the movement as the "democratic resistance," members started describing themselves as la resistencia. -- if what i'm reading is correct i mean, and what i read in modern media and things like that, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contras#Human_rights_violations'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you could get a pretty strong case against non-transparent government funding if there really was any democracy'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'From an early stage, the rebels received decisive financial and military support from the United States government, initially supplemented by the Argentine dictatorship of the time. After U.S. support was banned by Congress, the Reagan administration tried to covertly continue contra aid.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and i only consider this stuff cause of what they mention in the al jazeera video, and speculating on other stuff'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/faultlines/2012/08/201281381310569607.html apparently some of the citizens there of the war on drugs government in honduras think the police armed by the united states are the main killers there'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if the other story has any historical reality to it, and their missing reporters and highest homicide rate media cencorship are any indication'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but obama's 7 billion over 10 years obamacare republican propaganda's a bigger kind of priority than 500 million tax dollars per year to provide their services to hondurans'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or was it 7 trillion?  something anyways, they probably got a thousand or more war on drugs governments in the world'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are you saying Obama is Emperor Palpatine?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no, i was considering their priority's, mentioning their firm support for israel aside'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'campaigning to the democracy underneath who is most concerned about a nation beyond'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I see, so you ARE calling him Emperor Palpatine!'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'police drag off christian talk show host to a mental hospital and is diagnosed with "psychosis" because of his faith'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'playing both sides of the field, initiating the destruction of this or that state as it becomes convenient for him.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you feeling screwed yet?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I lost just under half my income with no prospects of recovery.  I was screwed about 2-3 years ago.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yay!'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do a happy dance though, you have black president - that has to be worth something, right?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he's as black as Michael Jackson, and nearly as crazy.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like there's some real honduran people in the video mentioning what they think should be done to really combat a war on drugs, coming from the people who live within it not of their own free will'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'michael Jordan would have made a better president'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and there's the deaf american wise-man foreign affairs minister'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'at least Michelle won't let him dangle Malia off the upstairs balcony...'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just about anyone would have made a better president, and that includes Jimmy Carter'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'pretending that marxist-leninism wasn't what the nazi's were exterminated for not participating in?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's one assumption you could extrapolate from listening to hitler's own speeches'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i'd like to personally thank the baby boomer generation for completely screwing us all over'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the real horror will come after we boot him out.  Just look at what Jimmy Carter did afterwards.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''dear canada, elect me, i want whats best for israel in mind, think of new jerusalem and jesus coming down from heaven to trample the sinners in the winepresses of the lord, amen''
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how to win at politics in modern democratic nations'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if Jesus was a jew, he own't be when he comes and sees what Israel stands for these days'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if it's a real canadian, the female body has ways to shut that down.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that austria cartoonist nazi-war criminal probably sees strange occurrences like that too'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what's romney campaigning in israel for?  that's odd, and obama incurs a promise to sacrifice all americans in defense of the holy land, as per mandate'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'expatriates.  Obama does it, too.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're both counting on Israel attacking Iran so that they have an excuse to'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah really, that's what i notice, i wonder why they're so important compared to everybody else'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gets around the UN issue'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Russia and China would veto them, otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you're a multicultural nation with international harmonization or something akin to that in mind, at least to preserve your multiculturalism, you shouldn't be relying on favouritism from minorities or really any foreign nation who is at odds with another, who you don't seem to want to remain neutral about'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'most expats went to Israel, a bunch more of the rest went to other friendly nations, a few took off to countries we weren't so friendly with (heritage ties mostly, with some being like the American Taliban)'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think remaining neutral about controversial international issues not directly relevant to your own nation is the best kind of way to be for a country'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it's relevant to international law or something like that, then that's something else'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you can't be global on just some issues, though.  If you're gonna trade in my country and potentially take away my jobs, you gotta be willing to pony up when the shit hits the fan.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who's right and who's wrong?  apparently a woman from washington d.c got ran over by a bulldozer or a tank while protesting the international boundaries being trespassed by israel around year 2000'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think they named a warship after her'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but in the politics, they rather focus on the people who ran her over and getting their support for the main vote'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'idon't know how anybody but a jew can call themselves much of a patriot cause of things like that'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'depending what all tehy're considering, maybe they have some logic that i don't to reason with'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's kind of rediculous to be basing your entire family trees existance around securing the holy land for moses people you read about in the bible'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'thinking that's the way into heaven like the rich man who wouldn't follow jesus'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nothing satisfactory about your own life, then what's the conflict that prevents that?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it seems more relevant than some holy war doesn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how is that ridiculous?  King David's Caesar-like inclinations aside, they were some pretty badass dudes.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'did you sign the oil contracts that roosevelt signed with the saudi royals before world war 2?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or was it some politician who didn't consult you first?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'anybody with some combat training and manufacturing facilities + a workforce to make weapons and develop science of war is a badass today'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's why they assassinate iranian nuclear scientists and things like that, trying to prevent goliath from overtaking david'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's understandable, i don't like alot of them muslims either, but they're not all the same evil to me'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they got a war brewing with egypt and iran, some contra operations in syria and lebanon possibly'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'probably in the end it's all about who collects their taxes and tells them how to live'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in the meantime, military drafts are not out of the question and things like that, right?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're making sure all jews join the military now, regardless of religious belief'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who's the one responsible for it all?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'marxist-leninist?'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or is it older'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, real badasses invent tactics that outlive their creators.  You can effectively argue that The Bible is the authority on how to win wars.  EVERY single martial account described in the bible has been used in the 20th century.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'black flag operations, cult of personality 'the lord wants you to kill every man, woman and child' in the city and things like that, of course'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there might be some it doesn't cover but alot of the ones covered have simile's in reality'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what battle in the 20th century used the tactic of playing trumpets to break the defenses? }:>'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whistleblowers?  who knows'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'guess we could say the blaring of bad music in compound sieges, I guess'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sounds like a disney musical if they mean it literally, unless they're like that persian army wearing animal skins to dismay the egyptian opponent'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cain killd Abelinc sings "And the walls, came tumbling tumbling"
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the trumpeting was a diversionary tactic.  It didn't actually do any damage to the walls.  It was used to cover up the sounds of the army climbing in through a window.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there was also the siege benefit of getting on everyone's last nerve, thinking the attack was going to start.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'genghis khan marching around the city until the people surrendered, and lighting 5 campfires per group of men to give the illusion of many more '
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'for the scouts'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they say they read about it in his journal'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'The Secret History of Genghis Khan, it was a biographical piece meant for the royal eyes only so they can incorporate the genius of Khan while also avoiding his flaws.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i bet to the eskimo's, the holy land was a land where the government didn't exist'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'too bad they got fucked in the end, huh?  i wonder what was worse, natural hardships or human-tactics'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nope, the holy land was the ice floes.  There's not really one eskimo people, though, but suffice to say that their Prometheus figure got in some real deep shit trying to woo someone's wife and he died in the sea, causing the ice to form around his body.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/08/2012820102749246453.html interesting kind of knowledge-system on earth here, western education anyways'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i was saying the work opportunities remind me of clinton's wisdom being bartered for 100,000 dollar per seat in saskatoon sk a few couple years ago, maybe lots of work opportunities if you go and listen to the wisdom of the clintons'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the province has a population of about 950,000, 900 back then - and most of those live below the poverty line, so couldn't listen to the wisdom'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen a movie, or maybe it was south park cartoon, where cartman or somebody is looking for proof of slavery in america, and consulting a university director on how he gets away with it all'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'using sports athletes as his slave collection'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's funny, cause in that article they mention something just like that'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'couple that with bernard shaw's 'justify your existance or be zyklon b'd speech', who's a prominent figure in the london school of economics, fervent stalin supporter and national hero with an art festival named after him in canada - and you can wonder where it's all eventually headed'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe it was about crack-babies playing basketball'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess in just about everywhere if you read the wrong material you can be lined up against a wall and shot though, at least several media reports indicate that kind of systematic control of the temple of knowledge and public thought schematics'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you can't make them see common sense your way, because they see a flaw in your logic, shoot them because you see it too and require yourself to be rid of your own misdoings, killing makes things real, apparently'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and instead of teaching people about things they'll burn down a library, call tehm the infidel harrowing torment of the 'deity' and slave / execute them , to keep things in harmony with the own inadequacy of their absence of logic'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'thinking that once they remove thought maybe, with ai electronic robots who can be opposite of truth with a simple logic switch, they will have been right all along'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'informed people make informed decisions, simple solution is to make relevant information out of reach'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'imagine if everybody in the country was as aware as it's leader, who can't pull the wool over their eyes about all of the issues that plague their nation - i read about this kind of education on mussolini's wikipedia page'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'whois abernacky'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Is that so.'
T3/r7/2012-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'was a miss mate'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Who is John Galt?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In a blog posting early this year, Cruz vowed that as senator he would fight against "a dangerous United Nations plan" on environmental sustainability that he said was aimed at abolishing "golf courses, grazing pastures and paved roads."'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's Texas Tea Party candidate for Senaste Ted Cruz, everyone. Your potential tax money at work.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo the democratic process under capatilism has a diminished power ? tbh buisness runs things in the developed world ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'is Tea Party candidate Cruz also against the dangerous United Nations plan to declare pink elephants an endangered species'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Xy! lol all the crazies are here !'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He probably would be if someone who hates pink elephants gave him 50k.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'G'day Yuna - someone wanna explain the whole tea party thing ? a grass roots movement or just hype and platform ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's not a grass roots movement. A bunch of rich old white men started a movement that got a bunch of angry racists to join up.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also crazies. A lot of crazies.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so no traction beyond the stupid racists ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, there is. But at heart, it was started and funded by rich old white men and its membership is made up by mostly racists, crazies, conspiracy theorists and overall haters of everything that isn't white (and mostly male).'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so right - ie republican  in US ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'have you just never paid attention to U.S. politics?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So, if they hate things that aren't male, I guess they a gay movement...?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Democrats are right-leaning as well. But the Republicans are very right-wing. The Tea Party is so right-wing there's no precedent to them outside of fascists.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Yuna sees men wearing black suits and sunglasses following him everywhere he goes :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm young and insane - tbh yes just learning how this all works and don't watch alot of TV - and insane - did  I mention that ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Did I insult you, Starling? Are you a Tea Partier?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'some usa Republicans are disinguous crook nutters -- a republican congressman wanted to ban wind farms because that may slow the air flow required to clear smog from cities'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Well, I do like tea, and I do like parties.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Don't confuse tea party with lemon party, though.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'disingenuous'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Todd Akin (Republican, of course), Senate hopeful from Missouri said THIS WEEK that "legitimate rape" rarely results in pregnancy because the female body can shut that kind of shit down.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Disinguous?  What's "disinguous", Xyliz?  Is it anything like "disingenuous" ?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hey Ran - don't  knock the lemon party - tounge lashing like no other !'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Your mom didn't shut that shit down. :('
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'too slow Starling'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol deb chan  just a pissing contest again '
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anyone know about processing tree stumps into firewood here ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'strokes everyones ego btw '
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'with an axe'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'inefficient - '
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'someone correct my spelling pls ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'by the same Republican logic, forests and tall buildings also slow air flow, (even more so, since the wind farm propellers at least move out of the wind path)'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The fuck would slowing down air flow do, anyway?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Republicans have no problems poisoning the air with pollution, but slowing down air flow for the sake of lowering pollution rates, we can't have THAT, now can we?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I have access to an excavator  with a claw that can split  stumps but it ties up the operator and machine - I want a stand alone eq ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the miniscule slowing of the wind (likely less than 0.00001%) that clears smog from cities'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So the Opposite World logic here is that we can't allow wind power to take root because it would clear smog from cities sliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiightly slower. We must instead rely on fuels that create smog in the first place? Stellar logic!'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Yuna I'm gonna assume  U R US -  democracy is  $1 a vote - you want change  , change  ur buying habits cause the politicians are all making policy from a buisiness lead '
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Nope. Swedish.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '- Swede , unpack that ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'BTW, Todd Akin, of "Legitimate rape rarely results in pregnancy" fame released a state where he said he misspoke a single word, implied to be "legitimate". So he still thinks women's bodies can shut down and prevent conception when they are raped.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The fact that there are still so many willing to vote for him, many of them women, is astounding.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'sadly propaganda still works yuna'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Meanwhile, Mitt Romney on why he didn't reveal his energy plan Tuesday, as he'd originally planned, during an event: "I know that we have members of the media here right now, so Im not going to go through that in great detail,"'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah - gogle  does lots but you guys are my go to peeps first '
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"I have plans to make the U.S. a better place! Obama's plans aren't working! But I'm not going to reveal my plans! Because the press are present!".'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Just like he won't release a single year's complete tax returns because, as Ann Romney puts it, there's ammunition in them.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'good luck on that '
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'People speculate that it's because he might've taken the amnesty deal the government gave to tax evaders a few years back. I think that's actually a likely scenario. And I will continue thinking that 'til he release a SINGLE year's full tax return.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Yuna try vegan sites for self suicciency ? otherwise move ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Hell are you talking about, Tazdkiel? Vegan? Also, I'm Swedish. I live in Sweden.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo democracy is bullshit and you just need  to look at ur spending '
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'grow ur own '
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Rush Limbaugh called Todd Akin's comments stupid and urged him to withdraw. Rush Limbaugh!'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sweden? That's the country where they make cheese, right?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'niether of those names set prices imo - the consumer has a responsability to buy with ethics in mind - or shoot the guy ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'fuck it  shoot all unethical buisinesmen !'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol OK Tz out - advocating violence - however justified - go to my Al Quieda site :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'ah, "legitimate rape" is what the tsa employees do at airports'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'By the way, the official national Republican Party platform for 2012 includes a federal ban on abortions except for in cases where the mother's life is in jeopardy.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Your tax money at work, people.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Tod Akins may've been educated on women's bodies while watching Farscape'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the female character on Farscape (played by Claudia Black) was able to control her ovulation'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'if Sci-Fi tvseries is where republican candidates are getting their "education" ...'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'do not let your kids watch "Scooby-Do" -- they may grow up mentally retarded'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'worse, they may become Scooby-Do educated republican politicians'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Confused as to how Todd Akin could possibly think "legitimate rape" doesn't result in pregnancy? Republican Congressman Steven King (Iowa) said this today that he's never heard of pregnancy resulting from rape or incest with the words "Well I just havent heard of that being a circumstance thats been brought to me in any personal way" in response to a question about the subject.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're paying these clowns, U.S. citizens!'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's not rape if the victim doesn't beat herself in the stomach until she's sterile or dies! Don't you know that?!'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nyhillanth: 'I proclaim my penis as the biggest in all lands surrounding.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'The Onion's response to Akin...  http://www.theonion.com/articles/i-misspokewhat-i-meant-to-say-is-i-am-dumb-as-dog,29256/?ref=auto'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'soon men won't bother having sex anymore'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because sex will need to be predicated on a contract signed in the presence of a lawyer'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'man pulled from flight and subjected to 4 searches, interrogation, and a 12 hour delay - treated as a terrorist because he was wearing a satirical shirt'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's wrong?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not really.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if the majority of vehicular accidents are caused by not paying attention, mental impairment too, then is catering to people's not paying attention the proper way to do things? http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19349517'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should people be pulled off flights because tsa "didn't like the look of them", or because "they looked a bit foreign"?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should you be pulled off flights because they didn't like the way you dressed?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can see it's use if people still pay a proper amount of attention and can over-ride autopilot, like cruise control - but computer glitches of mass destruction and the infitrability of anything networked and electronic seems ominous'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'should you be arrested for yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater (before or after the aurora shootings)?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is that the same as wearing a t-shirt?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and no, you shouldn't'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'satire.  You don't get arrested just for wearing a tee shirt, you get arrested for what is on it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, you shouldn't'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at worst, asked to take it off'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'which means you are there looking to either incite or for attention.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and they probably know better, right?  there's freedom of expression and speech removed daily, even though the people it's removed for weren't exercising it while they did their crimes'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have you ever heard the time "Nazi"?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the only place they challenge muslim garb is in france'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'probably was asked.  It's just more politically advantageous to insinuate he wasn't.  Bad cop stories are all the rage now.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he was asked, and he agreed to take it off, but that didn't stop them pulling him off the flight'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was a grade A major overreaction and completely uncalled for'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and in your example, no, the guy shouting Fire in a movie theatre should just be booted by the staff and banned from entry'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so why was he stupid enough to follow through with something he knew was going to end badly?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how would he know?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Oh, I don't know.  9-11, maybe.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's that got to do with a t-shirt?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you're going to stress a cop out, you don't reach out and intentionally incite him.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wasn't ac op'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cop'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody was being incited'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'same difference, the man got arrested.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or do you believe people should be arrested for "looking at you funny"?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps the police should march around in hobnail boots?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how's this for freedom of expression -> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16161065 but i bet the airline that charges a man and subjects him to anal probes looking for weapons of mass destruction lands in south korea regularly'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is not dissimilar to the case of the guy who got arrested for "not smiling" while watching an olmypic event'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why not?  We arrest unrelated men who look at children or otherwise place themselves in situations that might seem inappropriate.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'unless the flight was in one of those crazy places where they anal probe everybody for stalin's grain'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or for the guy who got arrested for tweeting something vaguely mean about an olympic athlete who didn't do as well as he'd hoped'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not at all similar'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'absolutely identical in terms of the scope'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all breaches of freedom of speech/expression'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so what was on the tee?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'If someone was wearing a t-shirt that had sharpie writing saying "I have a bomb and I'm going to blow up flight 123 at 3:30 on August 8th", I probably wouldn't let him on flight 123 at 3:30 on August 8th.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'for a t-shirt slogan'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'just saying'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe he was going to visit south korea on a art expedition'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they shouldn't allow granny panties on flights.  Those things are huge, you could hide a lot of explosives in there!'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was a mock picture of the tsa symbol with the eagle carrying off some shoes, tipping out a drinks bottle, with a small font legend "moisture bombs zomg zomg terrorists gonna kill us all zomg zomg alert level bloodred run run take off your shoes"'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'had nothing to do with security, and everything to do with not liking being mocked'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the sad thing is, I heard rumours they were planning on bringing in scanners to UK trains/underground'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'Sounds like it. If it was a security thing, you think they'd have raised the issue at the checkpoint rather than letting him on the plane and dealing with it during/after, eh?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fortunately I don't use the trains and rarely go to London, as I certainly won't be now'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it might be impossible to get total security ever'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so replace the picture with something obscene.  A graphic dead body, hell, maybe even something advertising the vagina monologue's tour.  Sometimes things are just inherently inappropriate no matter what rights you get.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what's a reasonable amount and how many fronts is it applied through, here there's the government and private security corporate interests and everybody else'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not the point, hans'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're talking about appropriateness of response. the appropriate respose would have been to take him aside and ask him to change his shirt'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it IS the point.  If you are aware that it might cause an issue, don't get all shocked if you get called out on it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they do some alright work and stuff, it's not all bad - but i think education and honest police and things like opportunity would go a long way to a longer-lasting, us with them kind of security'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how many people that go through an airport get asked if having their nutsack groped by a convicted paedophile is appropriate?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how many people going through the airport get asked if it's appropriate to be bombarded with microwave radiation many times higher energy than a half dozen xrays'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're arguing a slippery slope, sir'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, they have freedom of expression 'rows' like that in vancouver transit, wearing their shirts inside out or no ride'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and unfortunately it's that kind of 'justification' that is making the world shit right now'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we could always just assume that if a terrorist dresses like you, you must be one.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or we could quit the ridiculous police state brought in on the back of largely fabricated and/or self-inflicted terrorism'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'are you praising terrorism or making light of the entire situation that has 99% of the world twitching in their sleep?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'capiche?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there on oprah show they have people afraid of spiders having a tarantula crawl on their hands with a hypnotist or psychologist there expressing how to cope with fear'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'both.  Terrorism is an effective strategy (it wouldn't have lasted so long if it weren't), and it hasn't really affected me any.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's moreorless "beyond my borders" still.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess there's some fear that'll never be coped with though, i listen to things like akhmed the dead terrorist comedy sketch'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not beyond your borders if you live in the US or UK'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'doesn't bother me much, offensive as it is, it's somebody's way of coping with the situation'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'both are really big countries, so, yeah it is.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'another fantastic attitude'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I don't think we had anything major happen in the midwest since OK city.  Drugs and gun violence are bigger problems here.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'First they came for the socialists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for me,  and there was no one left to speak for me.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'tempting to say 'good riddance' to the first two..'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could replace the first 3 and the point would remain largely relevent'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the US is far too spastic a system to ever have something that comprehensive take hold without a serious event wiping out millions of citizens (like, say, the estimated number of illegals).  Losing the equivalent of a small village isn't nearly enough shit going down to scare the crap out of most people here.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well by the sounds of it, nobody will care or will wake up until people are being marched off to be gased'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even then they'd probably think it was a hoax'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're coming for the Internet next, btw'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'it was delayed for a bit the internet thing '
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so is the coming for your guns bit'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the left's foray into false flag event to blame guns appears to have largely backfired'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the Internet, however, is an open goal'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most people don't know enough about it to speak out'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'not sure about that, the americans really love guns'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if they want to think that, sure.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the internet might be one of several factors they look through when evaluating whether or not somebody should be placed in the ghetto or gassed in the future'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'hogwash they say, but just 50 or 60 years ago it was pretty ordinary procedure'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'at least in europe'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'they will do something to the internet, but so far so many people complain about it'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'things to look for with the Internet, is legislation to record and give access to the state EVERYTHING you do online'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'but the internet is where everything is relevant now.  Even mainstream media doesn't matter anymore, so the left's just going to be shooting gigantic holes into their powerbase.  EVERYONE uses the internet, whether for good or bad.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also, look out for UN rulings on the Internet to do with Internet ID and out of country internet traffic taxation'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they already have backdoors and kill switches in all the major routing infrastructure'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'not sure about that hanslanda. In some countrys maybe not in all of them.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we don't care about other countries.'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should, you can learn a lot from them'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where was USA and the west when more half the world's populations' governments met to discuss Syria in Tehran a while back?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'yea Hanslanda is important to know about other countries. the time of we dont care has pass'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the answer is "not attending"'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how come the jews never question the russian gulag, who operated until 1960, allegedly being the death-camp faction of the russian military that killed possibly 30 million from 1929-1939?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i watched a movie last night about this documentary shot in warsaw poland, where diary's and things were found afterwards describing the film crews contrasting the social classes, who were actors'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but alot of the police and things at the video were apparently jewish - and i think poland and russia were allies - so it's interesting to wonder how come no consideration of the gulag is ever given'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they were there before the nazi's occupied poland, and in germany and poland after the nazi's were conquered'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'starving people to death like in the movie, that was done to over 9 million in ukraine holodomor'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and stalin ate like a pig, so if they think that's what the nazi's did, then how come they don't think that's what the allies did too?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're possibly both extremely evil historical people, possibly not unique, but how come both don't get criticised, if the general suffering is what they're after?'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ol' Dirty Fiendish: 'intent'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Film_Unfinished that's the movie i watched last night'
T3/r7/2012-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's sad, but that's not the only place that kind of suffering happened according to what i read in history'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Could legalising marijuana boost the US economy? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19336816 why would that be their main concern about legalization?  that's what drug dealers deal drugs for!  watching the various truckloads of marijuana being seized on border war's and stuff, burning it in a secret facility - there's the money, and then there's that 20 billion per year going into the pockets of drug cartel leaders, which they use to expand the drug trade to.. '
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '900 per pound near the border, then the people who handle bartering it from there, get as much as 4500 per pound in chicago and new york - it's quite a bit of money'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so there's a hurricane Prophet Isaac coming to florida around the time of the republican meeting on the news, and then there's a blessing ritual of some kind The top US cardinal is to give a blessing at the Republican National Convention, amid a healthcare row between the Catholic Church and the president. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen a picture or video once of obama having his head touched by 5-8 zealous priests before too, so that's nothing new'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'at least they wouldn't charge you for blasphemy if you were a rioting pussy drawing pictures of our lord and saviour mitt romney or president obama'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'pussies can riot? sweet!'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'marketing his god powers for hollygod politics, except that's not what it was about The move was not partisan and the cardinal was open to invitations from both political parties, he was quoted as saying.'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The Catholic Church is embroiled in a dispute with Mr Obama over his health law that requires employers to provide free access to birth control through their health insurance. '
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's a questionable kind of requirement for employers though, are they requiring that women take the cock on the job too?  and abortions will be part of their real job at work?'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then it makes some more sense i guess, otherwise it's recreational medicine'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they can have a civil jury dedicated to handing out birth medicines for tax-money'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'A lively debate ensues before the officer moves them on. Not everyone has faith in the tunnel-hunters' theories. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19252862 "The military says this isn't a North Korean tunnel," he says.  The military deny that they are passive, saying that they devote specialist resources to finding infiltration tunnels.  Four tunnels have already been found here - most in the 1970s - and the army admits there may be many more.  But it has been 20 years since a new find and these days, the tunnels verified as genuine North Korean networks are seen more as tourist attractions than military threats.'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe something to consider with those DoDAAM automated gun turrets exported to america and stuff like that'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'wouldn't be too bad if they was just smuggling food or something to them'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the military's not usually known to protect charletan acts like that though, otherwise they would have an unwar bordar'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i still think that's funny that they advertise on the news that the average income of large-business CEO's went up by 10 million dollars during the recession'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if there was maybe 100 of them, and their average employee made 80,000 per year, that's over 150 each'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'others probably got a pay hike like that too'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'almost as funny as aljazeera mentioning a generous christmas bonus for exemplary performance in a great fiscal year at BP, in the wake of crisis'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'when the oil spill happened there, they still mention about it on sciencedaily once in awhile, nothing on main news though'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'biggest oil company in the world's bigger than things like God and justice and governments and things like that, if it wasn't for them where would they get all their taxes from?'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if there's some things that should be communist to a nation, i'd say things like oil should be one of them'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seriously though, they know you are able to black out areas of the world remotely through GPS manipulation, even setting coordinates a little off for the navigator who no longer checks - but they seem to push that through more than making sure both the navigator and the GPS are accurate, navigators should double check the GPS results with the way they used to navigate right?'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then they got these automated Gun turrets that use AI facial recognition among other things to discern clearance and targets being developed in america'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they can find undesireable RFID chips instead'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and there doesn't seem to be actual government monitoring of how all these links could go together, no prevention or anything'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that came from south korea though, and that story about the tunnels might be somebody's implied fear'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then what this can accumulate to in the unmanned airplanes and things like Iran claiming in an article about the drone they captured, using telecommunications to bring it down - being the norm in the next 40 or so years, in which time a russian scientist expects to make immortal humans using robotics and uploading the memories of investors'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'hilary clinton claimed that it malfunctioned and wasn't remotely brought down though, to elaborate on that claim might be to reveal the blueprints to the enemy i guess, although they have the machine in their possession and russia's pretty good at examining things with china'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'apparently the hawkings guy can use american's as test-subjects to perfect communications devices that he would use later on though, which is interesting, so it's not surprising'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i imagine if they have a hard time communicating then they'd be willing participants too'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they got your RFID chip there and automated world of DoDAAM gun turrets and computer glitches in the undesireable genetic pool'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they might leave manual controls enabled in the car's that drive themselves so they have a more dynamic excuse base'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'once they drive everybody's car and they have it installed in everybody's vehicle, they would probably like to punish people for attempting to pilot themselves around, making an example to the ignorant future of what happens when the past attempts to repeat itself'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this wasn't a honda assembly line 500,000 repetition glitch, this was a human causing a chain reaction - very sensitive that we remove their ability to do this again'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe you can run on foot from the vicinity of the known radar blackspots, which would be top priority to bring to the light'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they can pinpoint your location if they have your cell phone information - even in digital photo's they slide their location into the pictures'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they slid that chip deep inside your human meat, maybe using a biological battery like they develop in italy, chances are of it never being removed - maybe you can block the signal with a tinfoil hat or something'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they don't seem to be pushing too hard on microchips in flesh right now though, a few years ago they were trying'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and if everybody had a chip like that in a radar world feeding information to automated DoDAAM security 14 mm gun turrets, and a myriad of other snares, chances aren't too good in ever getting away'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they'd install the chip in a new location in every host'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all the turret would have to do is like a compass not in the zone of silence'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the government might like that idea, as long as they're in control of it'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it would have limited application maybe like resident evil there'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but would they really limit themselves?'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'automated airport security and things like loading and stuff being replaced by unextortionable robots has it's benefits though, there's still extortionable people in control of it all'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the people with the most money in the world who everybody works for obviously are good intentioned people most of the time'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who was it that took the pictures of a naked prince harry and a harlot?  was it the hotel itself?  that could be some negative publicity - if it was her or him or a cleaning crew (still hotel liable) that's something else though'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'It's not clear who took the pictures or if the prince knew they were being taken. -- every digital camera might also include it's serial number in it's photographs'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then they could use some software to ping it and see where it is maybe, could be aphone too'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i bet somebody approached him for a cash donation for the extortion photographs before releasing it to the public though, some higher calling keeps him from identifying the crooks - one possibility'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'could be one of his friends even, staining his public image in alliance with prince william saving a injured mountain climber, to further benefit the royal image of the future '
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'will  a robot seeing it's own reflection as a 'thinking being' include 5 of a trillion cpu cycles per second raising a indistinguishable flag on it's own body when interpreting any setting, to determine if the setting is a reflection?'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'the robot will know chemosh. It will be in its program to know'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'exactly, but programmers would probably stop at something like that'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'oh they will '
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'here it's called thinking though, i'm not certain how we know when we're looking at a reflection, but according to the dog whisperer episode, even dogs can learn when a image is a reflection'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'cmon programmers are a different kind of people or at least the ones i know'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'ohh i liked that series.. wich season?'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Programmers are people too.'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'not saying they are not  they just  different'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nah, they're not. Now, intelligent people are different from stupid people, but that's a different thing.'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'they are, like the animatiors_modelers are a different kind of people'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'alot of these AI trillions?  worth of science reminds me of dr.frankenstein'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they do develop some pretty good stuff though once in awhile'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the insistence that biological life forms can be replicated by human science is like dr.frankenstein though'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'especially if they are doing some tricks and claiming it's signs of intelligent life created by a human or something, looks that way at first glance but the simple answer is probably something like indistinguishable flags being raised to determine when a image is a reflection'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'do we do subconscious tests to determine that that is our own reflection, or just know automatically?'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'have you ever tried to look at your reflection with candle light? '
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes, they have different jobs.'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Doesn't make them different people, in my opinion.'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'they pay attention to different details ranrr, some details some other people will not.'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Being passionate on the border of geeky about something, on the other hand, makes you different. Usually requires a certain amount of intelligence.'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'or will'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, and so does my gardening and fishing hobbies. And my childhood experiences, and so on.'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's not the heart of it though, like they mention most university teachers get paid well below the poverty line, and getting a degree doesn't get you any income security in the future - the amount of income spent on developing (government funding too) robots that mimic intelligent natural life and are held in higher esteem than the real things and their needs, it can all look evil'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'is different, i did fishing as well. But you dont go fishing every single day and spend more than 8 hrs doing it'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can understand hobbies and things like that, but it seems most projects developing those things are endless sinks of money that eventually get integrated into society somehow'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not anymore.... did when I was a kid.'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'ohh that is where you going chemosh.. They doing that already'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'i remember i liked to go fishing with my dad. Was great'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You can call programmers a different kind of people if you want. I don't think that's a very apt description, but go ahead. '
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'they do see life different, you have to agree.'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're different because they know more about the things most people use every day in school and work and recreation than the people who use them'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'see ranrr'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No. I don't see any difference in a programmer from someone with another profession that requires analythical and technical skills.'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'like?'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'thats why i said animators modelers programers'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I would say an animator has very little in common with a programmer. He's an artist, not a techie.'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'i used to think that. But then im hanging out with some programers and animators and they are in the same insane way'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You just proved my point. They are geeks, that's why they are the same.'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'not sure if i call them geeks'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'some are some arent'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If they are passionate about what they do, they are probably geeks. If they are not, they probably suck at their job.'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'lol so, if anybody is passionate about what they do, they are geeks'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'then im a geek.'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'you probably are'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'being a geek isn't just for computer techs'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'never been called geek tho '
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'getting a drink....'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In any case, my experience with programmers is that they are just regular folk, at least when they get a bit older... they may be nerds when they are young tho, but that passes'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'well in my experience is different, they do pay more attention to stuff regular folk will not'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If you say so. I guess we are awesome.'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'of course'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'but then again, maybe regular folk dosent remember to use common sense sometimes.'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I think that a lot of that difference comes down to the fact that programmers tend to be well above average intelligence.'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'maybe you are right. '
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'i just think somepeople forget they have a brain sometimes'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'afk'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mner mner'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that Texas Lubbock County judge has some balls'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wasn't much in the way of news today'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good news, Judge forces Raub release'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Amnesty Internation should be shut down'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why should AI be shut down?'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because it's fibbing'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'claims to be independant, both in terms of politics and funding'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it's neither'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so perhaps not shut down, just change their literature so it wasn't misleading: Amnesty International is largely funded by, and is heavily influenced by the USA DoJ'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'at least the funding is not from terrorist cells (or the pinkos (scratch that -- that was last century))'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all the terrorist cells are government funded anyway'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'from various governments'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'welfare suicide bombers?'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'que?'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'most of the human rights violations are from uncivilised nations'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only because that's where they're looking for them'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not counting china, at least.'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA's done very well on it's target of increasing human rights abuses'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK isn't far behind with it's thought and speech crime'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't think i've seen anything that tops "man arrested for shouting "shut up" at a barking dog"'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'arrested for assaulting a police officer'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the UK laws are there to protect the upper class'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't agree'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not even the 2nd grader taken away in handcuffs?'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're there to protect the government'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there to protect the power structure. it only protects the upper class insofar as they're inside the structure'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'dude got his first arrest before his first adult tooth came in!'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the upperclass are in the UK government '
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the upper class are in all governments.'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there original upper class in the UK was detroyed in the 1950s, the new upper class are the twisted fraudster bankers, corporate board members and politicians'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the old landed gentry upper class were largely destroyed by 99% death taxes'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like property taxes, death taxes shouldn't exist'
T3/r7/2012-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'when someone gets nuked, there should be ten minutes of half exp for everyone.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Anybody got thoughts on the Lance Armstrong case?'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not aware of it, let me look it up'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doping case?'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Tzad, you in here?'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'BBC pull a video showing syrian rebels breaking into a guys' house, turfing it up, then beat him up and force him to be a suicide bomber'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they pull it because it 'doesn't fit the government narrative of showing the free syrian army in a positive light''
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbxz6THXsf4&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Hmm, guess that would be effective population control'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I was going to say it was uncooperative of them to show it'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Force one of your undesirable people to go suicide bomb some other undesirables.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'THESE ARE THE GOOD AL-QAEDA'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No, that's the US government.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The US gov't is officially not giving support to any side, afaik.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No, I meant they were the "good" terrorists'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'riggghhht, aside from the intelligence and the stinger missiles and hollowpoint ammo'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'are'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the threatening to get involved if chemical weapons are moved'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'are the tvshows "Futurama", "South Park", "Family Guy", "American Dad", "Robot Chicken" banned in Britain under the "thought and hate" laws'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, xyliz'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I think we should let them blow each other up with chemical weapons'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you people actually believe all that crap?'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though if you don't smile at the olympics, or criticise an athlete on twitter, you get arrested'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The biggest terror threats in the world is nuclear weapons, so the biggest terrorists are those that have such weapons and are threateing to use/have been using them.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'World is overpopulated anyway, Islam is a cancer that's slowly taking over.  Let the whackos kill each other, it's win-win.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the US has been after Syria since the first Bush admin. Why do you think they went into Iraq in 1990?'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nod, anarsitos, they're in the way of US vs Iran'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, Starling, Syria has as many WMDs as Iraq had :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'biggest threat by that measure, is Israel, best invade Israel'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '0 then'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Israel is part of the reason the US is going into Syria. In 1990  Netanyahu made a deal with the US for control of Syria. They were supposed to be the ones to invade Iraq, not the US. Then after overruning Iraq they would move into Syria. But  Netanyahu lost his premiership, so Bush decided instead to have the US do it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lends credence to the idea that a tiny minority of Jews run America'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, I don't know about that. Since the goals are very secular.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is kinda mind-screwing since also there a bunch of nazi-sympathiser families at the heart of the US power base'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like the Bushes'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Money and power have no ideologies.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'The Heritage Foundation wrote a white paper on the future of the Middle East. Much of the stuff in the paper was adopted as US foreign policy by the Reagan administration. That foreign policy is still in effect today.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'time for you guys to vote these monkies out'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, as you can surmise from what I just said, it really doesn't matter who is in office. Policies transcend the man/woman in office. To change foreign policy requires a tremendous shift for the US. Had Bush II lost in 2000, there might have been a policy shift, but now Obama is stuck with it and if Romney wins he will be stuck with it too. '
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'my mom'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not stuck with it because it's in place, they're stuck with it because they're bought and paid for by the same masters'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a president does have the power to change foreign policy'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, whatever the reason, obviously they are under external pressure to keep the policies in place, but regardless, policy shifts have to overcome a lot of inertia.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'a deviation from the established policy might cause a lone nut to take a shot at the sitting president :>'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler lets off a real rip-roarer ... a greenish cloud envelops Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler!
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wouldn't'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'oh, you don't think so? Ask JFK what he thinks :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and if you take the view that you can't change policy incase a lone nutter takes a shot, then it debases the entire point of government'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because it means your process is being held hostage'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it does, doesn't it :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, not hostage, it's more like the process is a mirrage.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'mirage*'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'this is worth reading: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Heritage_Foundation'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'is it an article on killing babies?'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'just blame bush for the baby deaths too'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if you blame Bush for the deaths in Iraq, then you can call him a baby killer, among other things :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's a constitution eater'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'speaking of baby killing....can somebody help me with a CR in FT1?'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'the room under the 6 princes'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/1990/11/saddam-hussein-and-the-crisis-in-the-persian-gulf'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You can't blame bush alone for the iraqi deaths, congress is also responsible...'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'congress is partially responsible, but it is not for anything from libya onwards'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'maybe, but they aren't the CinC'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that would be like me blaming the UK parliament'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not their fault, Tony Blair and George Bush conspired to lie to them'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is known, the report into the war is being delayed because of American Intelligence putting on their parts because it shows their collusion in lying'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and because UK is US's lapdog, they will probably either bury the report, or string it out for so many years that people forget about it'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I doubt they were lied to, at least, not in the sense you mean. People at that level know how to read between the lines. They are all experts on plausible deniability.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, Bush is definitely one of the top people responsible for terrorising and killing 100s of thousands of people in iraq, but he's not alone. Plenty of blame to go around.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well Bush probably isn't the person in charge of it, his paymasters are'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's just one tentacle of a pretty evil octopus'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'i dunno if i'd take advice from somebody named "Tigernuts"'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'just sayin'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'funny that you use that expression, Tigernuts :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's fine, i'm not offering any'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Probably, he doesn't have the brains to do something like that.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the sitting president doesn't have to have brains, though it does help. Reagan and Bush II have proved that beyond doubt. It also shows that the presidency is not necessary to run the country.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Presidency makes a good puppet, Obama is proof of that'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Congress gets in your way? just do it anyway'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'all presidents are puppets, the question is who is the current puppet master. Or is it always the same.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i get the impression it's been the same for a couple of decades or more'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'all presidents poop'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I agree.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'me and Anaristos agree?!'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'well its hard to deny'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'i mean, even i poop'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'but the real debate here is...if i poop in a forest and nobody is around to see smell or hear...did i really poop?'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'Brown & Root (now Kellogg - Brown & Root) a division of Halliburton, as you know, helped put LBJ in office. They got him to the senate then to the presidency, though the second statement will probably be debated. Then hey show up in 2001 as part of the US infrastructure in Iraq. Most players in the game are retreads.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'why are you trying to avoid my poop discussion Anar?'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uilleann: 'you cant poop without being there... well, wait.. you could be dead'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler nods at Uilleann.
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you've had a bit too much Fluoride'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is interesting to watch who is who at each point in US political history and watch the same people come up.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler poops in Undertaken Anaristos's shoes, and runs off, cackling in delight!
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Anaristos, you hinting that Brown and Root killed JFK ? to put LBJ in office '
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uilleann: '<-- never learned to emote in this game, but pinches off a brown root in the other shoe'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'JFK died of something poop related...conspiracy to cover up the embarrassment'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uilleann: 'second pooper theory'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'I said they helped him get the presidency. The methods they used to get him into the Senate were way less than legal and involved personal injuries to some. There is speculation that B&R killed LBJ's sister when he threatened to go public with some of the stuff that was going on in the Texas political arena.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler giggles at Uilleann's actions.
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'she threatened*'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'ima threaten to poop in your shoes again if you dont drop the lame convo and start talkinb bout poop OR baby killing'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'B&R was LBJ's strong arm tactical team. Though, they were a law firm.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the Rose law firm sort of reminds you of B&R :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but that notwithstanding, Halliburton was Chaney's puppy. The fact that they acquired K-B&R is telling.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So, 21 years of prison for breivik, what do you think about that? Something tells me that if it had been in the US, it would have been a bit higher....'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Gitmo and 'oops he died during questioning', *sprinkle crack *lay recently fired handgun into his hand'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'only 21 years? for 70 people'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'if that's true riddim, why did the earth cool down during the 50's and 60's when a lot more carbon was released than today?'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The earth has been warmer in the past than it is today, even before humans existed.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Clearly time travelers did it!'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Santher nods.
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Huan: 'calculations (or reconstructions) also show that in entire history, CO2 lags about 600 years BEHIND the temperature increase. I wonder how that greenhouse consensus explains that... For what we know, current CO2 levels could be result of warm period sometimes about 1400AD and have nothing to do with temp'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'next thing you know, there will be an oxygen tax for breathing air...'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the earth cooled down because of the aerosols and three-letter stuff.  It was the stuff that that Abernathy lady crusaded against (her efforts leading to the Clean Air Act).'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'a couple weeks ago there was an warning/advisory about all the ozone being released for the burning states... i was like "finally the states did something right" :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'err from'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'gotta plug the hole in the atmosphere somehow.'
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Santher nods.
T3/r7/2012-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'imagine was it was like when dinosaurs walked the lands.  I bet there were never wildfireS then, just one that never went out.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Want to learn how 'rational' ordinary people around you are? Mention Brevik's sentence length...'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is unlikely that he will ever leave prison, Vakieh.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'it is bascially 21 to life.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Wellm *I* know that, but the people you speak to hear '21 years' and start screaming for torture, death penalty, etc'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'm = ,'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that's understandable in a way, but irrelevant.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It is also incredible how many think he is some sort of Islamic neonazi :-P'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that's just a way to understand his atrocity. But really, what he did is becoming commonplace.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: '...commonplace? the fuck do you live?'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'on planet Earth. Haven't you been paying attention?'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'every 2 or 3 month someone kills 10 or 20.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'any action here ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'topic mate ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a good bit of propoganda is being released soon in the form of a 'novel', 'No Easy Day''
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'do tell ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where do you start?'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'It's a lie'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'from the begining ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'what does it tout ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's supposedly a book about the osama bin laden raid by a seal team 6 member'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'If you write a book with -any- form of military or intelligence background in it, it gets vetted within an inch of it's life. They're claiming that this book hasn't been vetted'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'secondly, bin laden has been dead for years'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'how can you be sure'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'about what?'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'that he has been dead for years'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'wow so it was a hoax all along ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, none of us know when he died.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he was given 6 months to live in 2001 by a cia doctor, there were no new sightings after... 2004(?)'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'or even that he's dead :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ronda nods at Undertaken Anaristos.
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so the whole thing with the seal team was just BS ?!?!'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'not necessarily, but the possibility exists.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no doubt there was a raid, but it wasn't bin laden they shot'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'kinda expect that now - really have to get the facts from the ground if you wanna informed oppinion imo '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'conveniently they disposed of all the faces'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, if you really want to know what happens you have to be at the site of the event.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'or have acces to live cameras'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'live cameras would not be proof'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that seems to be what the government does and then they wonder why people concoct "conspiracy" theories. All they had to do is the same thing that was done when Guevara was killed, take a lot of pictures.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or a hardy critical reasoning skill !'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'didnt say it was proof, just a way to know'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Being there would not make it 100% certain.  The guy pulling the trigger could not be 100% certain.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'There is no such thing as 100% knowledge.  Suffice to say the odds support the official story in this case'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'really?'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Primary reason for me being the ineptitude of the US government'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are no facts to support anything'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the problem'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'a given - reality is subjective '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the facts support him being dead for years'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'They can't pass a budget, how in the world could they successfully pull off a conspiracy of that magnitude?'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'ohh facts can be fabricated'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you and I can only accept or reject what we have been told, no proof has been offered to you or me in support of the claims. The obvious proof was never given and one has to wonder why.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're confusing the government with intelligence services, vakieh'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ever since the peer to peer music sharing started the industry is just turning out all these "reality " shows so emerging artist MUST sign with a company imo'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Ask wikileaks what I think of the skill of the intelligence services'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz mischan'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, the intelligence service is the government :) To think otherwise is to make a categorical mistake.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Julian Assange is a dead set legend !'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the ineptitude of the government is exactly why conspiracy theories exist - they're too inept to cover things up properly, they MISS things'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the army is the government, the state department is the government, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Julian Assange is a pompous self serving aggrandist who bit off more than he could chew'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'He doesn't deserve rendition, but neither is the the Champion of the Free World he makes himself out to be'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'he did try and he did some good - he is better than me imo '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, Tigernuts, ineptitude doesn't cut it. When Hussain was excuted, there was ample evidence that the event took place. It may have been fabricated but you have to lean toward believability.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there is nothing to show that the event in Pakistan yielded Bin Laden's death.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that is not to say that it didn't happen, just that there is no proof that it happened.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyway, this whole book thing stinks. You listen to Steve Pieczenik or Tom Clancy, you'll know how many hoops they have to go through to get stuff published. there's no such thing as publishing a seals book with truth in it as fact'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you can't prove non-existance ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'no, you can't prove a negative.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'in rational philosophy but the existance of it's opposite ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'by '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'if you claim make the claim that x exists but give no proof then to challenge your opponents to show that your are wrong is invalid.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'open to criticism there - only getting to reading that stuff now my head is a lil clearer'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'integers would be an example ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'what about integers?'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'positive and negative and 0 ie nothing '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'who said that 0 was nothing?'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'nothing is proved by both positive and negative - lol ok that didn't go where i wanted to go but you get the idea '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: '0 is the sum of -1 and + 1 :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yes my point exactly '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ty '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'further, e^(pi*i) + 1= 0'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'that is a beauty'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'beauty is accuracy imo and yes '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'e^(pi*i)-1=0 actually'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'where i = -1^(1/2)'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, sorry -1 :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ohm flexes his muscles...what a stud!?!
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'melts '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Ah, but what is x where x*x = -1 ?'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, that proves that 0 is not nothing :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'without 0, pi wouldn't exist :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'pu is a ratio. all this an nothing more.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'pi*'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so?'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '22/7 :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'e^(pi*i) = -1, so e^(pi*i) + 1 = 0 is correct.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'the fact is that 0 is an integral part of mathematics, it is as important as 1.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'trust the arabs to think of it :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, it is obvious after the fact, isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'fuck I love it here :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'oops soz ! curse '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'thank you, ElFeneri :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'grr need to use euler's rules....'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'eulers rules ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'euler proved that equation was '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'as long as you don't "remember" the rules and reason yourself to the result instead you'll never "forget" them.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: '0. united all five great numbers of math'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right, that formula shows  that 0 is a "real" as 1 or pi or i.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'you could debate that they are all artifacts, but then, you could say that about all of mathematics :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'a vacuum is a something too then ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or an absence of something '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, actually a vacuum is a theoretical construct.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'there isn't a naturally occurring vacuum.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is an absence of something a nothing ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no such thing as a vacuum, period'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Except for the vacuum in your mom's head'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Undertaken Anaristos beams a smile at Starling.
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ahh classic Starlism .. :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Your mom is so dumb that her empty head helped to prove vacuum fluctuations exist'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'that question is not proper, Tzadkiel. Not allowed by DeMorgan's excluded middle term law. The absence of something is not-something.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'things are either 0 or not-zero, 1 or not-1'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'but 0 is not the opposite of 1.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '-1 is the opposite of 1 ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i seem to recall ven diagrams can prove Anaristos point'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok so I need to read DeMorgan then ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Now that we debate such things that might be true in mathematics most of the time, but not always. Sometimes you run into problems where you assume something to be non-zero it will actually be zero and vice versa.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not fussed with the intricacies of number theory, myself'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I just like learning :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more interested in what's going to happen, and how that will affect my life and aspirations'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'well, no, Tzadkiel. We are talking about Boolean calculus. There are only 2 numbers.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Tzadkiel, how do you learn anything when you're drunk all the time?'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't spose any of you have a DC motor kicking around, around 300rpm at 90v 300W or somesuch'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I have a DC motor running my cavitator out on the shale shakers, but alas I would get in trouble if I used it for anything else.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'v only just started drinking - been sober all day apart from the mandatory hangover '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yes, ElFeneri. I am just point out that just because something is not 0 doesn't means that it is 1.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'need to track one down for my home made wind generator project'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'True Anaristos. If the world was that simple it would be unfascinating to say the least.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Aren't there places to buy those things...?'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Dayton motor makes a 90 volt DC motor, IIRC'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Probably a few hundred bucks though'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'yeah, wow, no juicy opinions about anything :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The 12v motor running my cavitator costs 200 bucks'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ahh it's all juicy :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sorry. That's stupid, 56 volts is better!!'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'I'm not sure their 90v motor is permanent magnet, though.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'go brrushless :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Not sure if you could turn it into a self-exciting generator'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't care what it is, but it'd need to generate 12-18v at wind speed'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'You can turn an ordinary 120 VAC induction motor into a self-exciting induction generator'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Dunno about legislation where you live, but 90v may be higher than is allowed for you to hook up without being an electrician...'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The only drawback is that it will not run inductive loads, i.e. motors, very well'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'needs to produce dc'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'true bout legislation there '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Rectify the AC output to DC'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'so, use an adapter.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'right'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'silly billy, you don't start adding adaptors'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'every time you adapt, you have lsos'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Building a rectifier circuit is trivial'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'loss'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If you want 18v, you get a 18v generator.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'smiles '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll use whatever i can scavenge'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'or maybe 24v.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'A bridge rectifier circuit is fairly efficient'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'have another one on me, Tzadkiel :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'A generator from a scrap car might work.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tzadkiel :D
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'car generators require turning at way too high an rpm'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Ah, right.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'gear it ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'All you need is a bridge rectifier, or four diodes capable of handling the intended output power, and then a filter capacitor and choke coil to smooth the rectified DC output'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'forums suggest using old tape-machine motors from the 70s'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'very instructive, Starling :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ur mind is hot Star :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'David Attenbourgh - another living legend imo !'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what did you think of the Brandon Raub case?'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'not across it mate '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'jesus christ'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok cliffnotes ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'JC I'm across :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ex-marine posts on a private facebook group some stuff about 9/11 being an inside job. his brother on the same group posts some song lyrics'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'state cops with some plain clothes feds turn up and take him to a mental hospital. i.e he was 'disappeared''
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fortunately, after a bunch of vets turn up to protest, and some online work, the judge demands his immediate release because the commitment papers contained "no facts"'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm sure it was because he was getting to close to the truth'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir nods quietly to himself.  What a wacko.
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he is released, after the state psychiatrist said "we are going to brainwash you and force you to take medication"'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'weird. vets are generally very sane'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol been therer ... not a nice experience - there is a ton of stuff that says someone knew - the call to put options are usually 1:1 they were 25:1 for industries affected - someone made ALOT of $ from 11/9'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a similar thing happened to a christian talk show host, after he said on air that america was in fear of collapse, that he was planning to buy some weapons in case of civil unrest, feds turned up and committed him too'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'during his evaluation, the fact that he was a christian was listed as a mental illness'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'technically true imo xtians are delusional but the bar is so low with the common populace imo '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's nonsense'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I haven't tried PCP or mescaline - everything else I've tried '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you are a xian that believes, literally, in the bible, then you could argue that'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz mischann'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No wonder your brain is fried'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most, however, do not'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and, tbh, if they want to believe that, that's not justification to commit them'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'a text that large is open to interpretation imo and the council of Nicea left alot out - '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Star - less hate more love ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'No, I hate everyone, fuck off.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at least you're not pretending'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I love everyone for the first half a bottle ... none or the rest and humanity n I have problems :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hate urself and projecting then ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or U perfect ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'one therapist said depression is anger turned inward ... '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'a new title for me ? anyone ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'what is the curse rules for herer ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vakieh moans loudly as he whips out his 8=L=E=G=O=D=I=C=K=D!
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'That is the curse test'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ty Vaki :) hug !'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'my guess is it's a worm drive .. :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'R you on and wanna set us straight for the curse rules in deb ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I like R - very cool :D'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anyone find manga girls rather erotic ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'not sure if it's sick or not .. weird '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Vaki can I curse you out on here in an effort to test this ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Imm wanna clear this up b4 U bann me ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '10-4 comeback Vaki ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok here goes - '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Vaki you fucking cunt answer me !'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'waiting .. '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'test'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok apparently deb is like curse '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol awesome ! I found my new fav chann !'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hmm Hexx n then manga - BOB is gonna get a workout - bbl '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'll leave this running though - lol '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'can you be my uncle Tiggy ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '20,000 people were "disappeared" for political speech in Virginia -alone- last year'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a pretty scary statistics'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You mean the aliens took them?'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, feds took them and stuck them in mental institutions without any form of due process'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'fair trials were removed after 911 in the US'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's the judge dredd system now'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this isn't a case of unfair trials, this is no trials whatsoever, civil commitment legislation is being used to disappear disidents. This has been done before'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in East Germany, USSR, and similar'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, same as with "terrorist".'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why everyone who doesn't agree with them is a terrorist, now'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'where is Tigernuts getting this info -- The Onion perhaps'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interview with John Whitehead'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an attorney specialising in such cases'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, I doubt that it's a new thing, it has probably been going on since wwii, only they were called communists then.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, just because it's not new, doesn't make it right'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's what the US citizens want, apparently.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err, no?'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Otherwise they would do something about it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you think that if people knew what was going on, they'd stand for it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crioni: 'most Americans don't care, even if they did know what was going on.  It doesn't immediately affect them.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's not exactly a secret.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when it affects them, they'll care'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crioni: 'don't take away their Chik-Fil-A otherwise, who cares?'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately, it's that attitude that allows people like Hitler to come to power'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's the same as endorsing it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so the rest of us suffer because people are asleep'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Hitler came to power because he promised to remove democracy and institute fascism. He delivered as promised.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i bet he didn't come to power promising to exterminate 10 million ethnic minorities and cause world-wide war'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he didn't come to power promising to collapse the German economy and dispossess anyone not in his power hierarchy'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama promised to end illegal wars and close gitmo'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Ranrr seams to be attempting to revise history'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'happens a lot, apparently'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'is Ranrr jewish that he spreads lies about Adolf'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, Hitler didn't tell the whole story, but his actions were supported by most germans and a lot of the rest of europe, at least in the beginning....'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'much like any tyrant, he'll offer something people want, then twist it'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'godwin!'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bit difficult to have a conversation about tyrants and police states without invoking Godwin'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'who's on here?'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'looks like some studies say people eat less food when given opiate blocking drugs first'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'cool.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'YO'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Stephen Colbert taught the Republicans that they may be even more blatantly corrupt than they were before'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'maybe people got so worn down by falsehoods and crazy ideas on the internet that they can't be bother to worry about it when politicians of either party try to mislead people.'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the Stephen Colbert parody of a Republicans became a teaching aid to Republicans as to how far the envelope of blatant callous corruption may be pushed, and some Republicans pushed the envelope of corruption even further'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'who do you think pays colbert's salary?'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's ALWAYS been like that, and historically it can get far, FAR worse.  For instance, did you know that in the 19th century a fight broke out in a senate debate and senators were sent to the hospital as a result?'
T3/r7/2012-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'senators have even been known to commit murder.'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taste The Alestorm: '-:'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Anaristos: 'invalid morse code'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'wouldn't that be morbid, if cbc headline yesterday was 'canadian conservative government silently allows information extracted through torture to be used in police and border investigations', along with 7 or so people in new york city being shot by the non-gulag police as they apprehended the armed suspect which was today 'caught on camera' to guage how many people will want to see the video online, i remember this one video of a cop in california being caught on a cell phone executing an unarmed and compliant passenger in the back of the head'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'could be normalizing police brutality'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the california cop got no jail time and suspended from the police '
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's funny'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they think of it as a success though, i guess he might have shot somebody else but them cops might be bad aim to shoot 7x as many people as their suspect'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all them tax payer bullets fired recreationally at the firing range for what?  they still suck at aiming'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then there's harper's government claiming if you want to work on the environment division of the government, you can't criticize the government and it's actions, otherwise you're a liability - even on your free time, then in this ghana or somewhere anybody who questions his authority gets executed in a new death-row cleansing ritual, amid 'widespread corruption and human rights violations in their media', where the non-harper government in 2000 bails camaroon out of debt which has the same kind of system going on'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The Conservative government has quietly given Canada's national police force and the federal border agency the authority to use and share information that was likely extracted through torture. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/08/24/rcmp-border-agency-information-torture.html'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just 15 years ago or so, 600,000 people murdered in 100 days in non-ww2 gulag nazi holocaust rwanda'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you're 1, and multiply yourself times 600,000 and that's how many witnesses of justice there are'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess it's nothing serious though, like this kgb interview about the process of cold war america being brainwashed into subservience'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'How To Brainwash A Nation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6URXzy-UIy4'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lol, the influence of marxist-leninist influence in america is absolutely fantastic, with defense, economics and foreign policy he says in the video'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'during the destabilisation process, normalization may last indefinitely'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's a yahoo chatter called zeta who applauds marxism in debates alot, strange name is what i thought - since that's a drug cartel in mexico'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'historically, socialism has been quite friendly to the drug trade.'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what's interesting about that is implied in this: The origins of terror http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK_5EYicHh8'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'From Mr. Adnan Oktar's live interview on Ad?yaman Asu TV and Kral Karadeniz TV, November 30th, 2009'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'while they were criticizing ukraine about their detainment of the political opponent woman, they also forgot to mention the amnesty international information that 600,000 civilians are tortured by the police per year there'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the bruises would obviously appear to be BSDM rape torture and things like that, 'black sea fleet' gulag-esque'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and funnily enough, Iran is the only country with a news agency that covered that amnesty international report in a story'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'general torture death-camp crimes against humanity doesn't seem to be their concern, politically driven control of the middle east'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but they can convince others that is their concern, can't they?'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and 600,000 tortured per year is a funny figure, since that's how many they claimed were murdered in rwanda in the 90's in 100 days'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and in the 1930's ukraine was being genocided'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it seems they plan on doing those things again'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not really, too many ideas in natural opposition to each other are happening in Iran for them to be able to.'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'priorities of society, 'protest the political soccer game!'  they detained a multimillionairre political opponent alleged to have misappropriated government surplus to her own bank account, ok that's ok - but not because if you type in ukraine porn into google you see pages of kiddie porn trials and on amnesty international they allege that 600,000 figure - which you'd have to look on amnesty international to discover'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i just think they should have possibly mentioned those things along with the woman in prison, as their government is criticized for what they report tot he world it is'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cold-war stalinism German Stasi secret police allegedly retired into being politicians and various other control jobs after being disbanded in 1991, sort of like the president of russia which no longer has a KGB, is an ex-KGB agent according to what I read'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and in stalin's days, 30 million death-camp , warsaw ghetto homicides is nothing special'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you've been having that same conversation with yourself for the past 6 months, with no new developments...'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'funnily enough, the honnecker widow who moved to chile was the chief education minister for political conformity in communist east germany, and moved to chile, who is now cracking down on students asking for better education recently on the news'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we already know about stalin, the stasi, the president of russia, etc...'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'random huh, i guess if that suits you'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and as pretty recent presidents have been head of the CIA, dunno why a russian president being part of the KGB would surprise you'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, italian's usually get those jobs don't they?'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not since machiavelli, no'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you sure?  it says an italian-american became the head of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Panetta Leon Edward Panetta (born June 28, 1938) is the 23rd and current United States Secretary of Defense, serving in the administration of President Barack Obama since 2011. Prior to taking office, he served as Director of the Central Intelligence Agency'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's also the person who's telling america how to handle it's agriculture from the united nations in brazil was born in america, italian and moved to brazil'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'read about that on the news'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's questionable how one ethnicity which is possibly a minority producer of grain and agricultural products became the world-wide authority on how to handle the grain'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sort of like on 'cities of the underworld' history tv episode, they mention that every large casino in las vegas has monthly and bi-annual meetings with homeland security and israeli special forces'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'israel in las vegas nevada?'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'strange investment, i guess it's like a foreign aid package'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'China also owns a LOT of land in the US.'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why do you think the casinos are so effective at dealing with cheaters?'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'about 2-4 years ago i read an article on aljazeera too, which i remember what i remember about it, that if america didn't do israel's bidding, israel would 'tear america down from the inside out''
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not making that up, i read that'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how exactly?  why do they use threats when addressing their american counterparts, and the people who read the news?'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they don't use threats, you're making THAT part up...'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ok, then a statement they made or aljazeera fabricated'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sorry, but "something I don't even remember, from some spot that I can't find, I'm sure once said xxx" is pretty much the definition of "making it up"'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not making it up though, that's the difference'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, you are...you don't think you are, but you are'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's the difference between a lie and an untruth...'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you believe it, so you're not lying...but that doesn't make it the truth'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you had the means to skimmer through aljazeera archives for the last 4 years or so, the article was possibly regarding palestine but the threat was america being torn down or dismantled from the inside if they didn't agree with israel'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but you state things as if they are, when you haven't bothered to do even the slightest bit of due dilligence'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeay yeah, you're an expert logger, you should have that article available'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and you don't bother to read WHO is stating WHAT'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe i don't particularly care about names'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but when you read someone saying what will happen, you HEAR it as if it's WE THREATEN TO DO THIS'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you don't particularly care about truth'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what the event is is more interesting to me, i remember those better'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you don't remember the event, though'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, you're denying the truth without verifying it's untrue'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i know it's true, cause i read it'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you pick up on things that have little to do with the event, and you identify with them as BEING the event'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'either aljazeera made it up, or else that's the level of independence america has'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and I read that I hold the guinness world record for the longest cock'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no chemosh, again, that's the difference between lie and untruth...'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you read into something that which did not exist, and which was not being stated'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they didn't make it up. You didn't read it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'to me it is the event'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'therein lies the problem'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and that's why you can't tell truth from fiction'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'really, what the undertone of compliance is decision-made memorandum of understanding on is less relevant than the particulars of this current decision?'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'd rather focus on the framework for all their future decisions than one of their demonic invoices'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh crap, now we're back to the random word generator'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he never stopped it, Abe.  To quote Agent Salt, "You know better."'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what about agent pepa?'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he's not an agent.  He was a sargeant, but I believe he's retired.'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any news'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, USA came 50th in life expectancy charts'
T3/r7/2012-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'h 5'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, a serving airforce women got pulled aside for carrying a pocket-version of the constitution with her. She said that when you sign up for military service you swear an oath on it, an it's what the country is founded on. The office rebuked her with "It's disrespectful to the uniform"'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wtf?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'almost wtfbbq?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy" - Dr Henry Kissenger'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Uh... what? How?! The Arizona Republican fucktards have just passed a bill that defines that pregnancy legally starts 2 weeks BEFORE fucking conception.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, that's liberals for you'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'they use the oracles in minority report to see the future'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well minority report oracles are legally submissable evidence now'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pre-crime is a fact of life now'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'those Arizona religious-retard Republicans are not liberals'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'doubt they need more evidence than that, I mean if it's not a rape if you don't get pregnant the minority report oracles would do aswell'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Abortion is now only legal after a maximum of 18 weeks because it's only legal after 20 weeks of gestation, and Arizona law considers ovulation as part of that period.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They also think that women always ovulate two weeks prior to conception for some reason.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't be a very right-wing state if they have legalised abortions'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There is currently no state in the U.S. where abortion is illegal, AFAIK.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Abortion in the United States has been legal in every state since the 1973 Supreme Court decision Roe v. Wade."'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Tigernuts is worse than Chemosh (this morning)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'They should allow you to make abortion until the kid turns 18.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Derpindave: 'well put Elfeneri.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, not legal, there is a permanent injunction in place :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't abort babies, abort the parents'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not the babies fault that their parents are retards'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'those Arizona religious-retard Republicans are attempting to restrict access to abortions'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is not illegal, but the many states haven't removed the statutes they just don't enforce them due to the decision.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'feds have restricted access to arizona cops to get rid of illegal immigrants'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'those Arizona religious-retard Republicans may be "religiously" violating the "separation of church and state" laws'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Republican party at large include the banning of abortions on their party platform. Even their national platform wishes to outlaw abortion except for in certain circumstances.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a wedge issue, completely pointless'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And yet the Republicans keep trying to use it as a wedge issue. And it keeps working.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both sides use it as a wedge issue. if they didn't, it wouldn't be one'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yeah. Keep trying to appear less right-wing than you really are by blaming the Demcorats for the Republicans' antics.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So, what, the Democrats should just ignore the Republicans when they try to pass bullshit laws because if they don't, they're engaging in making them wedge issues?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What's the logic here?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the logic here is the bit missing between your ears'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Is this the same logic as when you claimed that the Democrats were the ones making a bigger issue out of gay rights than the Republicans?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you really don't understand the concept of wedge issue, do you?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You don't understand the concept of blame.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And cuplability.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, let's blame someone else'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the Republucans are using their anti-abortion platform to divert attention from their extreme greed and financial corruption agenda'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither side wants to touch extreme greed or financial corruption'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would be suicide for either of them'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why they instead go for issues that are emotive but essentially pointless'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what a wedge issue is'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tell me, TigerNUTS, how many years of complete tax returns do you think presidential candidates release?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then crazy liberal freaks like Yuna start yapping like someone had set fire to their tail because someone said "gay" or "abortion"'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not interested in tax returns'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tell me again how you're an independent.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Yuna is a heterophobe ?!?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm a foreign national'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I didn't say you were a Republican. I said you're a right-winger.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, you're still stuck in your left-right paradigm'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'left-right -- which'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'all americans are on the right wing compared to swedes so there ya go end of discussion :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Blame the two-party system. It leads to weird things like if you're against abortion, you have to be in favour of high military spending, or, if you support gay marriage, you have to vote for big(ger) gov't :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, it's devisive'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'parties devalue democracy'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'd rather blame the Republican Party for going off the deep end with their hatred. If they'd just kept away from their anti-everything positions, people would still be able to vote for them without also voting for hate.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Parties are fine, really. Two is better than one. Three is better than two etc.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'have too many parties though and the party who wins and gets to rule the country only have like 10% of the populations support'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't have the monopoly on hate'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'That is true. As with most diversification, it's getting to the first handful of represented parties that is essential.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'As a party and within their actual official platform? Yes they do.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, they don't'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tell me again about the Democratic Party's platform's official "Hate" positions.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they hate gun owners, patriots, army vets'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there is something to be said for the dynamics of coalitions, two-party systems tend to collusion. '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tried it in the UK, it doesn't work'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Everyone knows constitutionalists, gun owners, patriots and army vets are dangerous terrorists.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, Tigernuts. That's totally in their OFFICIAL PARTY PLATFORM.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm sorry, I can't hear you over your blatantly stupidity.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or are you intimating that legislation that they try to pass isn't in their platform?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, you don't have to claim it outright, Yuna. All you have to do is misinterpret US2AMEND in a convinient fashion :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Do you know what an official party platform is?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i assume it's analagous to a manifesto'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Stop making assumptions.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The thing is, democracy doesn't really work for anything but legtimacy, the advantage is largely that it fails less than more dictatorial setups, because people have limited power etc. Building on that, you really don't want to design a system where one group (party) is going to have a majority.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i.e a list of meaningless crap that you want people to believe you stand for, then don't actually adhere to in office'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'US2AMEND wasn't intended to have people at home with arsenals, it was intended to mean that if the government used weapons against the people, the people had the right to fight back. It wasn't intended to give someone the right to own a weapon so that he could  walk into a restaurant and blow you away.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'which side of the US2amend is Anaristos supporting,  a strong citizens America or a cowardly defenceless america'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, not giving everyone the right to bear arms without first passing any kinds of tests is totally all about creating a cowardly, defenseless America.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I defend the right of a citizen to fight against a government that wants to oppress the people. The point of US2AMEND.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could argue for the same reason people shouldn't be allowed to breed without passing a test'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'agreed, anaristos'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I support that! It's not likely to happen, though..'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also exams for voters'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's absurd to buy arms without learning to use and take care of them, you're quite right'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I support the right to bear arms if you first pass a lot of checks and are educated on the usage of guns.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It shouldn't be an automatic right given at birth (once you've reached a certain age, of course)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now you're treading on dangerous grounds'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'but I didn't say anything yet ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'G'day :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'talking about birthrights is stupid'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'earn it imo'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But that's basically what the current gun law in the U.S. is. And it's actually not my words, but the words of the gun lobby.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They consider and espouse about how it IS a birthright.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's only a birthright in the sense that YOU don't have a right to deny it to them'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'how can anything that carry caveats be  abirthright ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'most USamericans are already trained to be responsible with guns, as those that were trigger-happy were already weeded out and did not breed (as much) -- not sure about the riff-raff immigrants that are not yet trained and weeded'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'and then the difference is what tiger?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a situation where x != !(x)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not quite'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is a constitutional right - with laws attached , not a birth right ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'most of the mass-murder gun crimes in Canada were by half-breed immigrants'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know, tzad'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Guns don't kill people, dangerous minorities do.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'oo spent  a bit of time on boolean algebra yesterday too :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'crazy ppl kill ppl - methods vary ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I personally believe that since the people don't use the weapons to defend themselves against a potentially criminal government, but rather to war against each other, they have given up the right to bear arms.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'unless it's justafiable homocide - ie self defence/war ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't see people warring against each other with legally owned guns in USA'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'currently, the South Americans are weeding themselves out -- lots of killing down there in the South Americas'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'deb got a lil more jaded there Xy ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Anaristos is residing in which country '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I love your vailed racism, Xaliz.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"valid racism" - thanks'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'at least mine is overt - I love white - don't hate anyone based on race '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I love what i heard Larry Pinkerton say the other week'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You call that veiled?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'do tell Tiggy :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Tiggy link searching ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why would we care? Larry Pinkerton seems to be some kind of jazz/country musician.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, i don't have the interview to hand, but to paraphrase, he was talking about the way that Martin Luther King would be spinning in his grave if he were to see how race was being abused these days, if he were to see the hordes of obese middle aged black women clapping and shrieking "i'm gonna vote obama cos he black!"'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is Tiggy speaking - is usually insightful until he disagrees with me :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there are approximately 15K murders a year in the US. But you think that the hundreds dying in South American is a weeding out process. So what do you call what is happening in the states?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Again, why should we care?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hmm unpack that for the unenlightened ? ie me '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'care? it's about how racism, sexism, ageism have all been subverted'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the 15k murders per anum are part of the ongoing weeding process (when the murderers are weeded out and eliminated)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'your saying pro racism is as bad as anti racisim ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I still love it how Tigernuts claims to be an independent when he never ever criticizes the Republicans, agree with (tacitly or not) with the vast majority of their positions and constantly blames the Democratic party and their supporter for bullshit, a lot of it lies and some of it things the Republican party does more and worse.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are not supposed to vote for Obama because he is black. You re not supposed to not vote for Obama because he is black.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, TigerNUTS, you're OBVIOUSLY an indepdendent.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada peers intently at SnailBot Anaristos.
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't criticise republicans?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which channel do you read?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'theres the wind up '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'then what is my excuse if not his skin colour?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'When did you last do it? And what was your criticism, hmmm?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'policy ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'meh in capatalism buisness controls democracy not the other way round imo '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I will remind you that JFK had to prove that it was ok for a Catholic to be president. So obviously the US electorate is more concerned with race and creed than they are with the ability of the candidates to actually do their jobs.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both parties are bought and paid for by the same people'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This should be rich, coming from the man who once declared "The Democratic Party is making/is notorious for making gay rights a wedge issue" and then debating for a half an hour or so how the Democratic party is more to blame than the Republicans for making gay rights a wedge issue.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how much more of a criticism do you want?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's just your pathetic attempt at not looking right-wing.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the Republican platform is: going to sabotage the Democrats (and the USA) because Obama is a black n*****'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't it? if you want a specific grievance? i don't agree with their foreign policy'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because you'll SOMETIMES level equal criticism at both parties for some issue, only to then immediately launch into a missive about how the Democrats are obviously worse.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'can you tell me why gay rights should be an issue?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'While lying out of the other side of your mouth. The Democrats worse than the Republicans at turning gay rights into a wedge issue? In what alternate universe?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what have i lied about, oh libellous one?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'it gets the xtian right going ... thats all the gay rights issue  is '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I tell you, by bringing the subject up both parties are guilty.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What I just said, TigerNUTS?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the Republicans were not as blatantly racist against the other white Democrat presidents'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'larry pinkney, not larry pinkerton btw'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'So, Xyliz, you are saying that Republicans, as group, don't tend to be bigots?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'slander or libell in text or is this chat :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't follow you, what have i said that's factually incorrect?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you can't slander someone in a chat room :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'LOL I can try :!'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If you can't see that, then there's no help for you, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Anaristos, you seem to read what others say, then attribute the opposite of what they said to them -- you seem to be a republican then'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'VOIP ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you can't, by definition. It is printed matter so it is libel.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, yuna, that's about on a level as throwing your toys down and shouting "not fair!"'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I would find it insulting to be classified as a Republican... or as Democrat.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tell me all about how the Democratic Party is making a bigger wedge issue out of gay rights and have been historically known to do so, TigerNUTS.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'white citizen of the world - so there :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't find it insulting, anaristos, i just find it amusing, shows a lack of understanding'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Republicans are racists, bigots, abominations, greedy, corrupt, blatant liars, religiously retarded, ..  (the list goes on)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'true, so what's your point, Xyliz?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not planning to balance that with a list of what their opponents are, xyliz?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol sounds like a politician  job description Xy  :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok Tiggy covered that :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'is Anaristos a disciple of Mitt Romney the weather-vane'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could almost just replace "Republicans" with "Democrats" and it wouldn't be far from accurate'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'might have to replace religiously with scientifically'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Mitt Romney is an asshole, but of course, you might disagree with me. If he gets elected, you can quote me :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'yep, Republicans are scientifically-retarded'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I've noticed how TigerNuts isn't actually providing us with argument as to how the Democrats are and have been making gay rights a bigger wedge issue than the Republicans.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, they were victims of intelligent design, Xyliz. So they can be forgiven :>'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo special interest groups and the power of the buiseness community has ruined   democracy - perhaps improved it - I hate that idiots vote - perhaps capatalism is a democracy ? it is $1 a vote ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your choice, if limited to those two parties, is between corporate fascism and authoritarian communism'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you seem to be doing a good job of that, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, TigerNUTS, the Democratic party is all about Communism. Thank you for exposing your willful ignorance to the world.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'both are so centralist through economic rationalism neither is left or right anymore ? is like that in Oz imo '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, when asked to provide evidence to back up your arguments, you refuse to. Duly noted.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hmmm Yuna searching logs atm .. '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'aha, Yuna is attempting to spread communism by attributing the Democrat platform as heading to communism '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I don't think so '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'certainly no left or right in UK politics anymore'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the left has been socialist for years - Mccarthyism saw to that ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why do I have to search the logs? I've asked him time and time again to defend his position, a position he refuses to provide arguments for.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what position are you demanding I defend?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'sounds like a guantley - Popcorn all round !'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Don't act like a 5 yearold.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You keep claiming that the Democratic party is making a bigger wedge issue out of gay rights than the Republican party. Now provide any kind of evidence. I've asked you 4 times today.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, you claim that. I claimed only that it is a wedge issue'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, please tell us all about how the Democratic party is Communist.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok there it is '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, you DIDN'T, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Outlaw parties, vote for name.  Names thus elected vote on who the President is.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a wedge issue by definition requires two sides to bandy it about'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Your opening argument was (not verbatim) "The Democratic party is turning gay rights into a wedge issue" some weeks ago. I countered with "What are you talking about? It's the Republicans who are doing it!", to which you responded with something analogous to "Nu-uh. The Democrats are doing it more!".'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'idiots still vote - advertising still works ... democracy is flawed imo in that way '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, tell me all about how the Democratic party is Communist.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was probably in reference to a specific issue, i believe that was to do with a number of democratic city officials in Chicago and Boston threatening to ban Chick Fill A from operating in their cities because it's owner expressed anti-gay marriage views'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I thought an "I know you didn't " would have been more appropriate but ok '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, Tigernuts. You believe wrong.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the Democrat party is seeking votes among the gays (and other sexperverts) by supporting the gay platform -- and that is strong tactic (more than a wedge) against the Republicans'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I was talking about gay rights. You countered with bulslhit.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'xyliz has the right of it'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Sexperverts?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'putting up a black president had nothing to do with attracting the black and liberal vote, either'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Putting up a white candidate is for the white vote, is it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'it's not as though 85% of blacks voted for Obama'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hey homosexuality is NOT a perersion - wanna a list of mammals that practice homosexuality '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm sorry, I can't hear you over your refusal to defend your position that the Democratic party is communist.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or about how you're feigning ignorance of your own past words.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know, vakieh, i'd hoe that any prospective candidate actually had some experience of political high office'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or running things'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'And Obama doesn't?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err, no?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither does David Cameron, our PM'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the danger with the Democratic platform is that the pedophiles and child-molesters may soon begin demanding "rights" '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Jarrett has 4 years of experience as potus'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that counts'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I mean, fair enough, he's a figurehead who has done very little, but he is experienced in his field'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in his field? Organised Crime?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, tell me all about how the Democratic party is Communist, TigerNUTS.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'objectivly podes should have human rights - they are human - Dostoyevski - a society can be judged by how they treat thier criminals - but subjectively - farm the rockspiders organs out imo '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Tzadkiel:  poisoned and overcrowded sick mammals practice homosexuality'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You can't claim I'm misquoting you on that because you said it not 10 minutes ago.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yet you refuse to source your claim. Nice to know you're a LIAR.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'checkout wild lemurs and get back to me mate - lol '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you gay democrat, yuna, is this what it's about?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Nice bullshit attempt at deflection, TigerNUTS.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This is about how you hold zero credibility. You lie, you distort, you retroactively change what you said.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Do you think gay is a perversion? Is it curable? What is wrong with being gay?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with all that's going on in the world, this is the most important thing?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'To gays, probably'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And you are not, in any alternate universe, an independent. You're a right-winter trying to masquerade as an independent, yet constantly spouting off right-wing bullshit.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I think we've found the button'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'log for accountability if you are so sure Yuna mate and nail it to the wall - otherwise it is the 5 yr old he said she said ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Ah, there it is, the "Who cares what I did or said? There are more important things going on in the world!".'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'homosexuality among mammals and humans is a symption of overcrowding, poisoning, and other diseases'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it's strange that you're not actually interested in what i think about it'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tzadkiel, TigerNUTS said not 10 minutes ago that the Democratic Party is communist. He's REFUSING to recant that claim, nor is he actually sourcing that claim when I demand he do.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'You haven't answered my 3 pointed questions, please consider doing so'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'again - check out wild lemures Xy - can't say more '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, you're demanding of me now? who do you think you are? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Do you think gay is a perversion? Is it curable? What is wrong with being gay?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'gonna have to cut n paste - if he is what you say is there another way ? and Tz is fine btw '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So, it's settled. TigerNuts has no credibility and is a habitual liar.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look at any party that advertises it as left wing and you'll see a spectrum of views from traditionally centralist, to traditionally far left, which includes communism'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's he said, she said, but TigerNuts is proving RIGHT NOW that he's a liar.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama has a heady upbringing in communism'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'cipms wanking is captivity XY perhaps confused ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'chimps *'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'some say that humans evolved from lemures -- if that is the case, the wild lemures obviously do not want to evolve into any more humans'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Actually, the only political party this side of China which I would consider to be the left side of centre is the French Socialist party'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sorry, "Has streaks of communism" does not equal "Is communist".'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i personally believe in small democracies and small states'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, you're conflating Communism with Socialism.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'small government'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, i'm not'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Dems, Republican, Tory, libs, Labor, aussie libs, ALL right wing'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'forgot the national party in Oz Vaki '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'nats are lib puppets, nothing more'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'still divide the vote in some areas imo '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Policy is identical'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'had wanna be - they are after the same voters imo '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'btw soz for the imo stuff am trying to be less confrontational '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Bob Brown ! the last lefty in Oz '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Then tell me in what ways the Democratic party is Communist, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not simply that is it. That's not proper debating technique and you know it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've already answered that question'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'gets out her copy of Marx :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'chapter and verse ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No you didn't.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, i did'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'if those liberals are with the "same policies", one of those 'liberal" parties may be secretly run by the rightwingers with an agenda of splitting the liberal votes, permitting the rightwing parties to win more seats in an election'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'This is more or less where people fall on the political spectrum, left-centre-right: Stalin--Mao-Lenin-Trovsky-French Socialists-(centre)-AU labor-AU lib-Dems-Republicans-Hitler'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Obama has an upbringing in Communism" and "Spectrum of views to the far left, which includes Communism" aren't telling us HOW they are Communists.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'aw frag this ppl you are both intellegent enough to get this done - do it '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol I can't even spell it '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tell us what policy decisions they support which are Communist. Tell us what Communist caveats the Democratic party shares.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'less so these days, but still perceivable today in UK's Labour party are members and politicians that are form-communist and have communist leanings. Althought centrist, originally considered left wing, the Labour party holds a variety of views ranging from centrist to communist/far left'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok nailed that '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in exactly the same way the conservative party holds everything from centrist to far right nationalist, green, etc'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'If the Democrats had existed before the "OMG reds coming to kill us run for the hills" bullfuckery of McCarthy, they would be considered grossly right wing.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why left/right doesn't work. Ideology and positions can't be pigeonholed like this, it required many dimensions to accurately or even fairly approximate positions'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'DEFEND YOUR POSITION, TIGERNUTS.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yep follows on from my earlier point Vaki ty for crediting the crazy chichy :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Adolf was a socialist -- he didn't like parasites (and unfortunately those (mistakedly) considered inferior)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't describe myself as left or right because my views don't neatly fall on one side or the other'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tell us in what specific ways the Democratic Party is Communist, not simply that it is!'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's leader is communist, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In what FUCKING ways?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'McCarthy is the poison which will kill the US, hands down confirmed.  Everything from Reaganist economics to Bush's wars to the GFC, completely spawned from McCarthyism.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in every way'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'some mentioned the Nazi pary - deb over !'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go read his book'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Great argument, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go watch the dvd'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Great arguments.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So the Republican party is misogynist, homophobic and hates dogs?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Good to know.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'guys we can do SO much better than this !'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'The Republicans are literally Hitler. In what way? IN EVERY WAY.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'what is "Godwin's Law" - is that when a special debate card is played'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go watch Dreams from my real father'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, IN WHAT WAYS IS OBAMA COMMUNIST? Why should I have to read his book and do YOUR job for you?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'YOU made a claim, now source it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just did'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently, YOU have read his book. So tell us again how his book tells us he's a Communist.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tells us specific statements in his book that reveals his secret Communism.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it can be seen reflected in his policy direction'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I bet you haven't even read it yourself.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And how can it be seen, TigerNUTS?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What specific policy decisions has he made or promised to make that makes it abundantly clear that he's a Communist?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'On a scale from 1-100, where Communism is 1 and Hitler is 100, attempting to move a country from 90 to 85 does NOT make one a Communist'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I hate rules - you all know but here perhaps to stop this being reduced to a farce we institute  some - standard debate rules ? idk but I see some nice heads spinning wheels  ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the Republicans are anti-socialist, and thus are actually anti-Hitler, even though they are also pro-Hitler'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'It is this reactionary bullshit which makes right wingers scum who should be wiped clean'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for example, forcing power stations to close by imposing carbon tax laws, but excluding General Electric from the rules'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Did GE become a public owned company when I wasn't looking?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'suggesting "we should bail out every company"'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '1) Source for the 1st claim? Also, how the FUCK is that Communist?!'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Bush signed the first bailouts - is he a commie too?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, vakieh'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '2) The 2nd claim is a lie and you know it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're all working towards centralist policies, where a handful of large corporations holds control of everything'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Bush, the single greates champion the Right Wing has had since Reagan, is a secret Commie? STOP THE PRESSES'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or a capatalist - propping up an economy ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Corporatism is not communism'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only difference is where the power if held. Something labelled a government, or a Global Corporation'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So... you're trying to back up your initial lie with more lies. How crdible of you.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And it only took 30 minutes for you to do it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what are you looking for, yuna, a signed confession?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(but is Vakieh holding any Zyklon B gas reserves -- right winger scum be wary)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm looking for ANY kind of evidence of Communism.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So far, you've provided two LIES.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Marx actually had something to say on the evolution of capatalism into a form of communism - as 1 company controled the entire system - was food for many sci-fi movies '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's even had his school and college records classified to hide this shit'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well he was pretty much spot on, Tzad'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You obviously have no IDEA about the bullshit you spout off. You OBVIOUSLY get all of your talking points from Fox Nes.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sorry, Fox News.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't get fox news here, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Here's a clue, oh Ignorant One: ALL college admission records are classified!'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Pox News'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(in the U.S.)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not talking about admission records'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all school reports'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tell me about how he's had them sealed.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'big fan of eugenics Xy ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was one of the first presidential order he gave'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'College transcripts are "sealed" as well. You cannot get someone's college transcripts unless you're that very same person.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama did not seal SHIT.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Source, TigerNUTS?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you too Yuna pls ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Source that Obama has EVER ordered his college anythings sealed and that it was his FIRST presidential order?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is asking an Imm to moderate debates alot to ask ?  - just thinking in future - this chann should be treated with respect and a one on one sitdown imo should be moderated imo ?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You must be new here, Tzadkielv.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no just insane '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'prob ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'For someone living in the UK, you seem to get FAR too butthurt by US politics - stick with your own before you go fixing other people's, perhaps?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'TigerNuts is refusing to show any kind of proof for his lies, as usual.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wading through legalees right now'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'moderators tend to censor and shut down current debates and destroy a debate channel '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It should be quite EASY to source a claim such as the one you just made. Like how Obama's first presidential edict was to seal his college transcripts. You'd think you'd be able to source it after only 10 seconds on Google.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I find this challenge - debating higher than mashing buttons and we attract some decent minds(and some stuffed ones ) to the forum'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2009-01-26/pdf/E9-1712.pdf'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'TigerNuts is obvious a closet Republican (or a Stephen Colbert groupee)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I did a stint on a religous site as a moderator - just follow deb rules - and enforce ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'libertarian is the nearest match, xyliz'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm not reading all of that. Give me something I can CTRL+F.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anyone can find anything on the net - except nukes - anyone ? lol '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'a religious site moderator -- which site -- most religious sites are intolerant '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty typical of most debating forums though, rather than discussing substance it descends into he said she said source war, which really isn't anything more than paper-waving'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no was faith n reason - an interfaith site - agnostics and athiests are welcome '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I've finished the 1st page. It talks only about how if someone is seeking to have a President's records released, the president will be notified of this.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '" Upon the passage of 30 days after receipt by the incumbent and;former Presidents of a notice of intent to disclose Presidential records,;the Archivist may disclose the records covered by the notice, unless during;that time period the Archivist has received a claim of executive privilege;by the incumbent or former President or the Archivist has been instructed;by the incumbent President or his designee to extend the time period for;a time certain and with reason for the extension of time provided in the;notice"'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This section actually tells us that while the incumbent President has a right to delay the release should there be valid cause, the records can be released.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it all falls back to the presidential records act of 1978, it stands to reason that presidents want to hide their personal info'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'also ran a 93 member alliance in a gumby free gaming site - same thing - keep em on track and accountable '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it has legitimate purpose'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I wonder why he'd pass such an order after months of Birther bullshit.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This has fuckall to do with Obama sealing his fucking college records, TigerNuts and you KNOW it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'General Provisions.  (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I find it amusing that you spit chunks about that when earlier you asked me how many years of tax returns people should release'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a word for people like you: Hypocrite'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'General Provisions.  (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed  to impair or otherwise affect:  (i) authority granted by law to a department or agency, or the head  thereof'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I was asking that to determine how "Independent" you really are.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'governments bury their important documents to ensure nothing comes to light until after the people are dead, or retired and everyone forgotten about'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Mitt Romney has not released a SINGLE year's worth of full tax returns and his wife admits that they contain "ammunition", so we KNOW something is amiss here.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Chilcot inquiry'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This Presidential Order Obama passed has NOTHING to do with SEALING ANYTHING and you KNOW it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '- most of this is just a pissing contest (talking to u Xy) but real change can come from it - lol check those lemurs out ! just we have been doing this for millenia and it crushes the spirit to see the he said - she said after 6-7k years history ... Goethe if we live in ignorance of history we live hand to mouth ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you hadn't figured that Mitt Romney is an asset stripper and a tax dodger, no amount of tax returns are going to help you'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It merely exists to NOTIFY Obama of any requests for his records and to give him a window of opportunity to provide evidence as to why these records should not be released should that be necessary. And it has never been invokved even once.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You LIED. You're STILL lying now.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Every single argument you've put forward today is a LIE.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh? then why hasn't he released his birth certificate?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And AGAIN you lie.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just because it's standard practice doesn't make it untrue'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He HAS.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, he hasn't'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'R? - wanna / need to ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But why cares about that, because it's obviously a fake, TigerNUTS.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what he 'released' was a digital construction which has since been proven to be a forgery'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm not even convinced TigerNuts is a real person anymore. Sounds like someone doing a bad parody of a Birther.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Proven by whom?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Tzadkiel, do you affirm or deny the existence of current paranormal activity  (non-religious paranormal activity)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Certainly not any credible fact checkers, who all passed it as the genuine article.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how can they pass it as a genuine article when they haven't seen the original?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And ALL Hawaiian birth certificates are digital nowadays. They went digitals ages ago.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you want me to form this up Tiggy n Yuna or you guys happy with this ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How can you someone debunk it as a forgery if they haven't seen the original?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they debunked the digital version released on the white house website'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'see R ? needs a higher power to make this work better imo ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No they didn't.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tell me again how Obama is a Communist, TigerNuts.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And not by claiming he's sealed his college records, which is a lie.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm done with you, yuna, you're talking but nothing comes out, it's just white noise'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'management will be like - it will seem like we are taking sides - and the classic - it has always happened like this - the is a single chann and deb rules exist - tried n true '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/07/new_obama_birth_certificate_forgery_proof_in_the_layers.html'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'tiger paraphrase ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'dammit I'm not in this '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes. I'm the bad guy for demanding proof. And you're not for constantly lying.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have not lied'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'suggestions - to imms ? how to ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've said things that you don't agree with'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not the same as lying'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"My newly released report"... by Mara Zebest, a no-name Birther.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, you DID lie. You claim Obama's sealed his college transcript/records/whatevers. He has done no such thing.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about you read it and shut the fuck up already?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he did'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That is a CONFIRMED lie. You provided a link that proved NO SUCH THING.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Tell me all about which section in the pdf you linked you that says he sealed them.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what the presidential records act of 1978 is about'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hey verbal assult aint part of this ! '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What the FUCK does an act from 1978 have to do with Obama doing shit?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And how can you prove it simply by mentioning that such an act exits?!'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Give me a SINGLE link that proves Obama sealed his records.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'So you are arguing semantics, the difference between "Obama sealed his school records with a presidential decree", and "Obama passed a presidential decree that sealed his personal records"'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That decree did NOT seal his personal records.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sure, say "Obama signed a decree that sealed his personal records, in the same way the previous presidents have done since 1978"'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Quote wherein the decree it says the records are sealed.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'simple to resolve: the Obama school records, are they available or are they sealed'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are not available, no'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The ones which are publically available? Yes.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '- ok - the greater good means so many things to diff ppl - just keep it objective and non personal ? - lol yeah I know                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               - bloddy lefty/rightwing but ...'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama did not seal anything that wasn't already sealed for every citizen of the U.S. by law.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'n F! I'm insane .... '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'nitpicking semantics'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that Xyliz person again...
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'All that  decree did was provide him with the option to prevent a record from being released IF HE CAN PROVIDE REASONABLE CAUSE.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Which doesn't sound as outrageous when TigerNUTS is still claiming, to this day, that  his birth certificate was a forgery.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you decide what constitutes reasonable cause?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The only important thing to know is that Obama, like the conservatives, goes to Bohemian Grove, CFR meetings, and is a tool of the U.N.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Do you not understand how the English language works?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That makes them the same "team" as the conservatives'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Don't try and distill it to this one fake/not fake birth certificate issue'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Talk about forest for the trees'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I still wanna know how Obama's a Communist.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'He's following Agenda 21, like all other presidents'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'If you don't know what that is, you're not much qualified to debate'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Your idea of proof is "Obama passed a Presidential Decree that kinda, in some way MIGHT function as a sealing of his college transcripts, so there's obvious stuff in there that proves he's a Communist!".'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course he doesn't, Dosset'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he thinks this is me vs obama'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or me vs democrats'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But, hey, why let facts and evidence stand in your way, TigerNuts.-'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Can't speak for others, but I'm anti-Obama not because I'm a conservative - it's because I'm anti all of those idiots'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You've got pressing matters to discuss, like Birtherism.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They don't have our best interest in mind'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people demanding his birth certificate is no different to people demanding Romney's tax returns'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither will publish because it will INCRIMINATE THEM'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This about your credibility, TigerNuts, of which you apparently have none. It wasn't as apparent in the past, but it's readily apparent now, after your failed attempts are covering up your own lies.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Before this, you at least maintained a semblance of credibility. I, for one, did not know you were a Birther 'til today.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i couldn't care less if he was born in Kenya or Hawaii, I find it strange that he should go to such lengths to cover it up'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He HAS fucking published his birth certificate. But nothing will ever be enough for you, will it Tigernuts? If they SOMEHOW find his ORIGINAL birth certificate and publish it, you'll just claim it's a forgery.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'EVERYTHING will be a forgery in your eyes because Obama is OBVIOUSLY not a natural born citizen.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'says who?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Says every non-Birther who's examined the original or the digital reproduction.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't like the way that it's OK for our ruling elite to have secrets, yet us, the serfs aren't allowed privacy, after all, if you have nothing to hide, what's the problem?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's quite telling how you claim you cannot confirm the digital reproduction as real, but that you can debunk it as a forgery.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'btw soz for the outburst - U know why - they tried to waen me off the prescription stuff because Iwas drinking so much - - levels restored while they deal with my agression - lol I love anonimity - can't talk to anyone  else about this - have to balance the psycosis from ethanol where I can pass out with the bits where I have no downtime   - just trying to get vodka on the PBS .. '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'EVERYBODY'S college transcripts are sealed by law. So are their birth certificates.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Arpaio set out initially to prove it was real, you know'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That failed'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The fuck are you talking about? Sheriff Arpaio has always been a Birther.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'have you 2 explored what you share in comon ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'prove it, yuna'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'TigerNuts, you hold zero credibility.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh right, i'm not allowed to use your tactics against you?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I will hold this over your head EVERY SINGLE TIME you try to use this channel unless you recant your lies.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do what you want'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'dammit - start on comon ground and go from there ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why should I bother giving you sources? You'll just claim they're forgeries. But, fine, I'm lazy. I'll RECANT that statement about Arpaio for now.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unlike you, i'm not a control freak that feels the need to legislate everything that everyone thinks and says'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I make absolutely NO aspersions as to when he became a Birther.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yuna, to understand this, you have to look to the past.  You know we've been lied to in the past; what makes you think the present is any different?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"failure to prove" is not "proof of the opposite"  (except in very rare philosophical instances)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You see all the examples from recent history, and you find it shocking it yet occurs?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'aw -- frag it - lets start a  fued - thats helpful ... '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok Tz out for now '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You can ask "prove 9/11 is an inside job", and the response is: Operation Northwoods, Gulf of Tonkin, Bay of Pigs'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I got to read boolean algebra XY - lol next time gloves off ! '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The proof isn't found in debating one video whether it is/isn't a controlled demolition; it's in the trend'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Just as the proof in Obama as a fraud doesn't lie in whether his certificate is manufactured/not; it's simply because the past presidents, left- and right-wing, have been frauds'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'tbh had enough for today '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xyliz sought to prove that "God exits" -- failed, ergo: "God does not exist".  qed
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the comments from the people on the official commission is enough to doubt the credibility of the official narrative'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I need a back massage - anyony ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Totally proves it's a forgery!'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And that Obama is a Communist!'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Is your argument that Obama is not a communist because he has a real birth certificate?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'strong argument'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, they're two separate arguments.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'No, they're not'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's the logical inverse'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'see, even Yuna is capitualiting to the TigerNuts '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'TigerNuts claims Obama's birth certificate is a forgery because some Birther nuts have debunked it as such and that the "comments from the people on the official commission is enough to doubt the credibility of the official narrative".'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He also claims Obama is a Communist and tries to prove it by claiming that Obama's sealed his college transcripts. His college transcripts obviously have some damaging info in them. Info that obviously proves he's a Communist.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'as a passing thought   Tiggy n  Yuna should fuck - you are both citezens getting screwed by the same companies ? win-win ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Seeing as how we live in separate countries, no.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have bestiality laws here, so no thanks'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I'd say a better proof of his being a communist is in the status quo of the U.S.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'more objective and quantifiable, too'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '...also less debatable'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Yuna is speaking as a TigerNuts groupee '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's just angry, Xyliz'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Status Quo of the U.S. is Communist in its nature?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You can rest easy, though, cuz Dubya and H.W. are all commies too'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What fresh Hell is this?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol never bean a beast in bed ..... time to explore - but seriously now I said sex I have ur attention - how can you both benefit from the political climate you are both Very aware of ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yes, Big Gummint bailed out the private sector twice'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Know what that's called?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '1. Housing Derivatives, 2. G.M'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You own nothing'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'See where this is going?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'TigerNuts is aware of shit.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You've turned it into "us" vs. "them" fanaticism while failing to see where we actually stand'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'No, I'm not a conservative, so you can't dismiss my argument as such'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'He's spouting off lies. So he's either willfully ignorant, just plain ignorant or lying through hsi teeth.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hush, yuna, adults talking'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Socialist =/= Communist.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Holds socialist principles =/= Socialist.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then why do you assume that someone who wants small government is right wing?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I suggest you never visit the Nordic Countries. We'd be like Soviet Russia cranked up to 100 to you.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'mate work it out - man hours - existing labour- mutual gain ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'When did I do that? When have I ever claimed that? When have I ever even implied that?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'earlier today'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Quote, please?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'We're actually in a fascism masking as socialism'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '"we" refers to U.s.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you keep calling me a right winger'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How is that calling anyone who wants smaller government a right winger?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'mutual gain - life don't have to be a pissing contest - exxplore that instead of arguing shit that don't meant anything objectiveely ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you seemed to be obsessed with me being right wing'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, I'm trying to expose you for the fraud that you are. You are not an independent, as you claim to be.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Your only political position is NOT "Smaller government only".'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course i'm independent, i'm not a member of a political party'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And now you've given us another lie.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Neither am I. So... I'm an Independent then?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'it is what it is - a MUD player aint gonna change that - so spend time exploring earning opportunities you can both benifit from ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess so'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I have never claimed that anyone who wants smaller government is a right-winger and you KNOW that, yet you made that claim.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because that's what you do. You take reality and then reshape it to fit your argument.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, that tactic should be extremely familiar to you'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Obama passed a decree that allows for him to contest the release of his college records if there's valid reasoning? Obviously he's sealed all of his records!'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the small government thing was the only bit of my own personal agenda/belief that i've given today'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the only way we know reality is by working it  - so work it - '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And, Tigernuts? I've seen you espouse your views before. I know your stances.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so how can you hepl each other ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you think you do'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And, more importnatly, I've called you a right-winter before today.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So, we've established that you knowingly lied. End of story.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've established nothing'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'No!'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yyou are both assute living beings - feast of each other !'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, I still want evidence that Obama is a Communist.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, keep watching him :-)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So you have no evidence, as usual, for your outrageous claims? Duly noted.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'My window is ending - they seem to have my meds / vodka / insomnia back under control so I have to g o soon but f it I hate seeing 2 intellegent ppl argue with no rule ensuring an objective outcome or greater than that they find common ground to focus energy on - (as I have seen tonight) - this is a resource not a pissing contest imo ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'understand ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're not my real dad, tzad'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm not fit to be a parent at all atm - you know that - double laugh :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm getting a lil better though ? I hope ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I think I didn't swear at all tonight? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best get some in then'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'some ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what have you bring up, tzad?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'actually I was a lil concerned about the Imm/debate rules - should be individual instance ? I dunno - was just a suggestion '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i personally think it would be unwise to have moderation or involvement'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'moderators encourage censorship, leads to bottled rage'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'there are standard debate rules - debate chann.. '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'This isn't 'debating' debate chan, so much as rage chan'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where, tzad? and xyliz's first comment i agree with'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the game here is moot - the chat is where it is at imo'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'combat - deb chann it debases up when we rage on the deb chann imo - ok I debase curse on a reg basis but deb should be serious - how else do we  gain from what is otherwise a b otable game ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'some nutters require an outlet to vent their rage against the perceived unfairness and vicissitudes of existence '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all I can say is that some people have an irrational fear of those who disagree with their bubble'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you then get demanding opinions be verified as facts, and suddenly nobody is allowed to have a free thought anymore'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(better here in virtual land than out there irl)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(better here in virtual land than out there irl) (where happiness is a warm ...)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'rants are face loosing shit and belong on a diff chann - gosss- idk - I don't/can't do goss - deb is an objective search for the truth - remember this is just a waste of rage unless you can be objective and seriously humans can't be objective withouth moderation imo '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(silly twisted fool)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I am insane - yes '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'embrace the rules or the .50 cal sniper rifle I own '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, just bear in mind that the sharp end is for the bad guys'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'bad - subjective - I could be racists (I'm not)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'that's what Moriary said of Nellie Seagoon singing: "There always will be an England, and England shall be free, if England means as much to you, as England means to meeeeeeeee".  Moriarty: "Silly twisted fool".'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'must be time for your "ow", xyliz'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Xy you got bitter rather quick - you ok - tell ok ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'bitter ?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'cynical '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(somebody never heard of or never listened to the BBC "Goon Show") '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'before most of the readers here's parents were born, xyliz'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol my dad has the entire log on tape !'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'spyke milligan one addressed prince phillip as "trainee king" - well theres my anekdote .. '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he also referred to Prince Charles as "a long eared twit"'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so separate from the comman man - both in life experience and power structures - dammit disolve the monarchy !'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'dammit Vaki n Xy - have we estlabished nothing tonight other than the game is no the game we are being played by ? -  yet you  persist and I'm insane ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok no accounting for lif e balance \'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'I have no idea what you just said...'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'want me to try ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok I will anyway - partially for you - Craig - listen up - This game is a great learning tool for programming et.al but the interatction with other high IQ individuals is paramount - it is so rare in normal life to have  a few 140's- 150's  throwing their weight round. trouble is they are socially inept and unused to being challenged - the res here (Imms) have a social responsability (imo) to facilitate that exchange ? imo the game attracts em but unlike anyother "Deb" chann we do it right here ? challenge and debate ? the rules are standard - google em - lol- the intellectual cappital here waastes itself on a game imo - can we focus or use it ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I know niether .. so ? point ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm at or over the end of my operational cappacity - ie about to paass  out - so soz if I did the cause a disservice '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'personal observation - an introduction of the topic and gamespeak is prevalent ? -  imo why hide here ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sure we understand what you're trying to say'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Vaki ? or Xy ? both are guilty ? respond ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of what?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'Right colout, wrong channel'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vakieh: 'colour*'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Tiggy ? asking me what I was on about ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok I will anyway - partially for you - Craig - listen up - This game is a great learning tool for programming et.al but the interatction with other high IQ individuals is paramount - it is so rare in normal life to have  a few 140's- 150's  throwing their weight round. trouble is they are socially inept and unused to being challenged - the res here (Imms) have a social responsability (imo) to facilitate that exchange ? imo the game attracts em but unlike anyother "Deb" chann we do it right here ? challenge and debate ? the rules are standard - google em - lol- the intellectual cappital here waastes itself on a game imo - can we focus or use it ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, we can't'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'why not ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'such a waste - yes I may be projecting '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'high IQ is not an indicator of ability to conduct sound judgement, or wise insight'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I work with a bunch of scientists with high IQs, but whom are dumb as a box of rocks'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'soo true my 172 avg IQ score and arrest record stand as witnesses'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'but it is a nexus of ability - surely we can organise this - esp given they can organise around a game loosley coordinated ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'maybe they are humoring down to your level, Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'personal - strike - non  important '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'some of what you said on debate is grossly defective'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'nonconclusive - report facts with quotes ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'that is the trouble with ignoramus moderators -- too fast to cast defective false judgements'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'are we all scared of the real world or scared of being wrong in our own world ? - '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Tzad what are you going on about now?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok I will anyway - partially for you - Craig - listen up - This game is a great learning tool for programming et.al but the interatction with other high IQ individuals is paramount - it is so rare in normal life to have  a few 140's- 150's  throwing their weight round. trouble is they are socially inept and unused to being challenged - the res here (Imms) have a social responsability (imo) to facilitate that exchange ? imo the game attracts em but unlike anyother "Deb" chann we do it right here ? challenge and debate ? the rules are standard - google em - lol- the intellectual cappital here waastes itself on a game imo - can we focus or use it ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'G'day Zac :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Focus or use what? The deb channel?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'For speaking the same language, it is incredibly difficult to understand what you write sometimes. I think it is because your little island is upside down.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'can we organise the collective talent here into  something useful ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'infesiable'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I dunno, is there any?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'and to what end?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the winds may've been tamed - did not know that '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yes there is talent here  ( I'm here ) :P and to what end - what problems affect us ? 99 problems but a man aint one here ... '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Angar is blindable, Villain is killable, there may be hope of questing frequently again after all (as a T0 SC SH)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'We should talk about something form this list: The relative merits of different types of hotsauce, pornography, pretentious films that we can laugh at despite their illusions of grandeur.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'this game is great for training but why specialize in it when there is so much talent here and so many external factors ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'ghost peppar sauce is delicious'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Too hot, not enough flavor.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'none effect the quality of our life much ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'great flavor it doesn't taste like pickle brine like most HOT hotsauces'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I disagree. I couldn't live without hotsauce or pornography.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Dragon RandAlthor is agreeing with that Zaccarion person again...
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'except naga jolika chillies ! f'n rock - my fave n only plant I care for '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'but never together'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so the collective brains round this place forma collective that cares for chillies - or a game ... get my drift ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'No.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'seen the talent here ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'want it wasted on chillies ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Well I still disagree with you about there being much "potential" here, but I also disagree in the notion that we are a collective.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'when you have it so perfect ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we could be - colectives dont agree on everything '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'What's wastefull about chillies?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'no but chillies contain a metric f'kton of vit C and cause an endorphin release that stimulates brain activity'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'a 130-150IQ mind devotind a life to em is wasteful imo '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Then what should it be "devoted" to?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'better than devoting a life to mindlessly repeating the same cardio activity'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'what do You want ? be suprised how many ppl share that "what I want" '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Cause I say fuck that. What better purpose can a human devote himself/herself to other than human life it lives? That is the ultimate expression of humanity. To suggest that there is some ultimate purpose - some teleology is both foolish and unjustifiable.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if smart people being smart and using their mind for something useful that impacted the world in some way, then it probably wouldn't be as bad as it is now - especially with all the conveniences invented since people were shitting in a public toilet afraid of the poop demon in ancient rome and stuff like that'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'But it is not for us to decide what any one person does with their life.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'each person should decide for themselves.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol dammit Dru right on - in a sense !'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Microsoft is 1 person ? the gov of the USA is 1 person - and in either case 1 person could do better ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's not much of an excuse for alot of the social or other corruption in the world today'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'making excuses for it probably pays alot better than fixing it, which they're actually against'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'if you think the US government is one person you need to do some research.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you want to make it in this world, you must devote your mind to selfishness and exterminating your opponents without their awareness, while they fall for your brilliant disguises'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'isn't that it?  maybe 50 years ago wasn't that bad, maybe a little worse too, it's probably always been the devil in charge of things'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'tbh they are messing with my meds (yet again ) n although I'm perhaps more lucid I'm sleepy - but my thought is this - look at the intellectual and social capital we have - know your own problems -  cannot one combat another ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'What?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Zac - for you - explain pls ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'You said "look at the intellectual and social capital we have - know your own problems - cannot one combat another?"  - what do you mean by that? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'what don't u understand from my last rambling ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's nature, little birds will open their beaks in front of the other birds to get 2 suppers instead of one, same things with humans, mother's judgement's missing most of the time'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok we have alot of smart ppl here ? yes/no ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'that there is some way our own personal struggles/disadvantages/adversities can be of use?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you can starve to death and stalin will add your grain to his pile'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Chemosh, what are you talking about? You make less sense than Tzad and he's insane.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'somebody is yet young, and perhaps did not yet experience the "futility of life" that forces some humans to develop an altruistic heterosexual purpose transcending lifetimes (yes, in the possibility a nonexistent God exists, then God is heterosexual as a higher mammal (and likely male (since human females are defective after menopause)))'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'one q? at a time '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's alright, humans are what i'm talking about'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'oh fuck me ! do we have some thinking dudes here or not ! gimme a hel yeah !'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'does anyone here have an informed oppinion ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the "final" apocalyptic battle between good and evil (as alluded to in the christia NT) is perhaps also a battle between heterosexuals and the sexperverts'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'not sure the odds look great with the "many called few chosen"  but with "there may only be the One", maybe'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is there anybody who's not a sex pervert on earth, after a certain age?  maybe some mentally handicap people lack the capacity for perversive thought'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'applying thought to reality, 'he who lusts after a woman in his heart hath committed adultery with her already' , damn i guess you must be a perverted christian'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Chemosh, don't you like porn?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'perhaps there are degrees of depravity -- like venial depravity and abominable depravity'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Dru consent is the exclusion zone and Xy you wonder why ppl don't engage ? - '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'lusting is veniel compared to doing the act'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'what makes either (lust or sex) a negative action?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'perhaps there are degrees of lust -- like venial nonserious lust and abominable lust'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it produces people like stalin?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the consent of the participant Zac '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'the only "sin" or negative action is one that harms another living being'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe perverted people turned stalin into himself instead, or bad negligent parents on a power trip'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'then everything is a sin'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like that hotel hieress slut'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Lust and sex create people like Stalin? That's a pretty large jump there buddy. And consent? As in the consent of the woman I jerk off to?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'am I like this ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Imo she consented when she got paid :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Craig ? am I this unreasonable or are you trying me ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'See Majic.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen video on youtube of a 7 year old boy reciting stanza's from the koran, i don't know if he understood what he was reading or not, but he had every word down'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i imagine some of those islamic sects capitalize on that kind of devotion, resulting in their kind of marxist-stalinism terrorists'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'and that different from a toddler saying the lord prayer how?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Chemosh, you do know that you spout unintelligible and completely worthless jibberish, right? How did you jump from sex to stalin to a 7 year old reading the koran? And now terrorists.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'adding this and that, they do that with christianity in some places in europe'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mostly it's girls being trained as dogs though'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'hmm, you see a mote in my eye that you're projecting my way, i guess you can't see any other equilibrium in the subjects'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Exactly my point.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Chemosh, what did the government ever do to you to make you so made at it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'a whole bunch of things'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Chemosh is attempting to emulate how schizophrenics speak --  (jump to different topics without explaining or stating the in-between steps, and thus seem to speak incoherently and illogically) (the bad grammar and misspellings worsen the incoherent speech)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like davey jones locker in pirates of the carribean, his voice seems to have changed in that episode'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'personally theres: getting 62% of a settlement taken in taxes when the settlement was from the goverment for robbing my people over the last 50 years'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lockjaw knows what's happening'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'What are your people RandAlthor?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'luiseno'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'really, so they give you tax-payer money (or government corporate funding) and then tax it back to themselves for their services'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's nice and sustainable'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that always seems stupid doesn't it?  reading the news i see alot of apparently stupid things'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like UK'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'what the hell is a luiseno?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'native american nation'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I thought we killed all of y'all off?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Thanks for alerting us to the mistake.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm proud that i wasn't a member of the white people who colonized the native americans, but understand that i'm a white man from europe anyways'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'my ancestors weren't with the nations that came here and did that stuff, they came here because of advertisements in germany/hungary/russia for cheap land to farm and leaving behind people like genocide stalin and world war 2'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'was there a part of europe that didn't colonize?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'the BIA stole 35 million from trusts my tribe setup over 50 yrs and we got a 42M settlement minus little over 60% in fees and taxes'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've heard that native american tribes are blighted by deeply corrupt governance'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sure how true that is'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'varies from tribe to tribe'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are we about to see the tribes claiming their land back?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'No.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's no fun'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Why would you think that?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'we just got a few hundred acres annexed back into or nation in southern california'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'and i know of a few hundred similar cases in federal courts'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hardly the 100's of thousands of acres that you had stolen from you in the 17th through 20th century though'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i heard a native american on yahoo chat one day talking about islam being taught in america over 1000 years ago to the native americans - i had my doubts about this claim for various reasons'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not impossible, just not likely'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but with the amount of gang-affiliated native americans and their 'omerta' kind of bonding and things like that, getting into that community might be something desireable (somewhat from within) but also from without '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'if you view islam as altered jeudic christian teaching then there is some basis'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're not all in gangs and things, but in my province at least, there's alot of crime among their communities in cities'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Why would you want to get into any religion?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'usually the youth'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Chemosh, if there are doubts, don't mention that crap, as you are attempting to smear amerindians with the islamic terrorist label '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's even more unlikely that it would be taught on a widespread level.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh i wouldn't worry about being tarnished as a terrorst, every other sensible person has already'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's not what i'm attempting at all, i seen this person claiming that and i wondered about why they'd be saying that, and several possibilities came to mind'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's good to be aware of deceivers trying to send people on holy wars and things like that, and look at what kind of tools they might use to perpetrate it'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'probably because they want to set up whichever nation it was as a paragon of sea-exploration :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'prejudiced intolerant white landrobbers are likely to use the Chemosh echos as further reasons to rob the "islamic" amerindians'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'some native tradition religions resemble greatly catholism or islam'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as like them claiming islam was taught to native americans over 1000 years ago, spain/france/england were all hostile with islamic nations for a long time, i think - maybe the french less so, so i'd be curious what kind of people they'd have in their militaries and sent over to colonolize the people already here'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'my tribe was granted permission from the vatican to continue practicing on the basis the teachings were the same just different rituals'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's in the history i read, anyways, so i'm just not sure if non-christian people would have been on those ships - maybe africans though'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'hrm, 1492 + 1000 is 2492 < 2012 -- nope, that don't work '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whatever, they were saying that'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'is historicaly odd since catholics tended to react violently when meeting a new religion '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'hrm, "muslims discovered the Americas before 1492" - nah, unlikely'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Yeah that's a crock of shit.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'show me some evidence.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe he said on the ships that brought the spanish/english/french to america instead, i go from memory'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'ah, "some Amerindians went over from the Americas to the middle east and taught Mohammad how to start islam" -- not likely either'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's the scenario i was lookin at, you can look it up yourself how many wars with the muslim nations were fought in those days - i don't think they'd have muslim clerics and things populating their expedition ships'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but they were saying that's what it was - if they were taught the koran that long ago'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Then they were most likely wrong.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Chemosh is attempting to emulate a blatantly wrong history revisionist (tsk tsk)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'odds are seriously against it, chem.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and you honestly need more than 'it could have happened''
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"they" said -- maybe "they" were on peyote'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'unlikely'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Chemosh on peyote ?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'that stuff will mess with your head but tends to have a semi-permant anti-arsehole effect'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'odds are against it, but that person might be teaching it to others for malevolent purposes, or for integration of islam as the majority native american religion or something like that as their goal, i'm sure you can see how it's useful to control the history of a people and make it's worldly identity your will'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so i remembered what they said for pointing it out like this, something to watch out for and question - which not everybody does'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'obviously thats why the US gov changed native vs white history so often'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'i almost died from laughing when i first saw wounded knee after reading the offical story'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i have controversial opinions on history, politically non-correct and things like that, or questions that nobody can answer - ways of looking at grievous evidence/beliefs that reason out why 'the future generations' may be outside the vocabulary of a casual victim writing a journal'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'almost like if you watch the disney lemming episode from the 1950's, suicidal critters, but apparently a entirely fictitious video'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Have you considered why your opinions are controversial?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'just because it's controversial doesn't mean it's more likely to be true.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'see above.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no, that's true'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like we can wonder why they don't teach holodomor on history television along with the holocaust, and warsaw ghetto'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in canada at least'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's alot of ukrainian immigrants in canada in comparison to jews'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so it'd probably be relevant in a democratic learning canon'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"garbled", another word (in addition to "unintelligible", "incoherent", "illogical") to describe the speech of Chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Thank you. You can put up your thesaurus.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I'm looking up Holodorom I don't know what that is.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i never said nothing bad about native americans though, with regards to the one i heard on yahoo - even he maybe didn't have bad intentions, but my mind usually goes to the worst (or near the worst) possible scenario in any situation, and tries to prove it wrong from there'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, you're evil, chemosh, you must be right wing'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so at least, i convinced myself, with what's known about american history and european conflicts, maybe spain or france or africa was islamic by then, slaves etc (then that'd be mostly in america and south america wouldn't it?) that it's unlikely that native americans were reciting the koran way back when'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the Chemosh: "looking at grievous evidence/beliefs that reason out why 'the future generations' may be outside the vocabulary of a casual victim writing a journal"  <-- attempts to decipher that into something intelligibe caused mental pain'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Dragon RandAlthor is agreeing with that Xyliz person again...
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't think they would have been very concerned about a middle-eastern warlord's prophetic visions about god in comparison to the white devil doing their evil work that continues to this day in it's own disguised form, and their own spiritual beliefs'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, they wouldn't have known white people (except maybe lost ships on a local level) much back then either'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i provided the source of that saying awhile ago, it's not my fault you missed it - it's best that it's missed anyways'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and it was all a conditional 'controversial' musing, against the law in some european places most likely'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'conditional cause of the missing holodomor history lessons, where's the gulag-hunters? and things like that'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they find state-orphaned children from argentina and spain as well, but german stasi 'honnecker widow' school pupils?  nah'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so there's alot of conditions that i try to make sense of when i consider the problems'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and justice in rwanda, according to BBC a man who sentenced a womans family to death is now her new family, they were their neighbours at the time of the genocide of 600,000 in 100 days'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so there's mister united absence of genocide, serbia freedom fighters in syria etc'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how do you reason out who's the good guy, when it looks like everybody's a crook in the real world today, in the past?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then if there ever was a good guy, what traits is the leadership of this world against ever allowing to prosper?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'why do you think there is a good guy? :p'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and then, is it likely that anybody is not a crook, regardless of how charismatically they speak, with great zeal and blessings from the church and things like that?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Ok Holodomor - found it on wikipedia. Bunch of ukranians starved to death.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Holodomor -- some blame part of this genocide on the jews (for supporting the Communist (1917) revolution)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Now I have forgotten how it got brought up though'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'chem'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Chemosh likes to bandy the word "holodomor"'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not many others do, if you turn on your television guide any night though, and you have sattelite , you might find a 24 hour stream of dedication to the victims of the holocaust'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not victims of genocide in general, that'd be too democratic for a multicultural nation of minority jews'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'if there is a karmic God, "holodomor" may explain the "haulocaust" '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this could happen to you, dearn white person called nazi by chris rock on lethal weapon 4'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'were white people the only devils in the last 100 years?  according to modern history yes, and the jews are their victims'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ok, so all of josef stalin's victims were jews too?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'comrade andropov'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''multiculturalism doesn't work' seems to make sense when you look at how some cultures receive all the attention that others don't'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Chemosh, do you seriously expect others to debate the crap you are suggesting'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't care if they do or not, it's just an observation i made - it's there for you to verify'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'disregard, not verify'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '30 million 'non-jews?' , including 8 million ukrainians 'warsaw ghetto' starved to death by stalin from 1929-1939'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they were only actors'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and executed, humiliated and then killed things like that'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'death-camped to death'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the nazi's are the only ones remembered for their original crimes against humanity'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Chemosh is typing out words, but they translate as nonsense'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and if 8 million is the figure of the nazi's victims of this kind of cruelty, which i heard hitler campaign and rally the germans against ever happening in germany, then how is the 30 missed?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'ah, the misuse of the word "only"'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'really, go ask an average american about the holocaust, and then about stalin's crimes and the gulag'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they're white they probably came from the european territories, so their history should be somehow connected if they're non-jews'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they know about one but not the others, amazing'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there'll be financial holocaust soon'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'do they hate nazi's?  you bet, do they consider the nature of the nazi's enemies?  they're the ones teaching the nazi's to them'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'surely you don't base your opinions on those of Jay Leno's jaywalkers'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like tigernuts is saying there, bernard shaw stalinism '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they seem to be doing that in northern canada more and more now, i read, the federal subsidies to the eskimo's destroyed lifestyle living allowances doesn't pay for food'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they raise the cost of a meal to 50 dollars per person'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that's rediculous in canada'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'would like to point out that the USSR were very secretive about their crimes'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'they don't hate Nazis! It's easier to hate the guy that did his crimes in the open than it is to hate the person who his wrongs'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yes, they were very secretive and still are'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'now they're publicly acknowledging those things more than they might have before though, i think'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'and yet you are here ranting that their forgotton, despite knowing that they were not public about their times'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'they're*'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so if the german reich was secretive in their times, and found the allies smuggling munitions on red cross medical ships, shouldn't that mean they shouldn't teach about their secret crimes too?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'and the reason Hitler is deemed more monsterous than Stalin despite their death tallies is because Stalin made it easier to turn a blind eye: he only affected HIS citizens. whereas Hitler affected the whole of Europe.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the cossacks were a independent group of ukrainian civilians, autonomous from the russian government, but genocided because tehy were independent'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Stalin affected eastern europe'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'alot of them newly russian territories, like yugoslavia, were recently non-russian too'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'The Eddie Izzard skit... Stalin killed over 10 million of his own countrymen and nobody cared. Hitler killed the ones next door... stupid man...'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'and don't act like the Allies were these saints, the nuked Japan TWICE! and then haraboured Nazi Scientists to manipulate in the cold war'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they still brutalize them today according to amnesty international, it seems like a playground where the russian loyal soldiers go to rape and torture people for fun'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '600,000 police tortures per year?  number seems a little higher than the police doesn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Sapulchre is as bad as Chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the use of Nazi scientists was extremely smart of the USA'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'this is pointless, Hitler vs Stalin comes down to one question of mortality: Is the evil guy that geniuenly thinks his acts are right more evil than the guy that knows his actions are wrong and tries to hide 'em'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'smart, yes. but also shows they weren't saints'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'numbers too, 30 million + compared to 8'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the gulag operated until 1960 or so, that's 13-15 years after the nazi's vacated the premises'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Hitler was a saint compared to Stalin'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'numbers don't mean much, iirc Stalin ruled longer than Hitler'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and who was in poland at the time of the world war 2?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'were they pleasing stalin's grain bag like the ukraine?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'if we could get data on a year they both ruled, and calculate the death count. I might be persuaded'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Stalin was an abomination'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Churchill was also a mass murderer  (Dresden)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Eisenhower was also a mass murderer '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'nobody throughout History is squeaking clean:p'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I have forgotten what you guys are arguing about.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'diddo'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'Topic : Chemosh is trolling people into debas'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '"dildo" or "ditto" - not the same'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'debates*'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'sleep deprived spelling '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sepulchure goes, "Heh."
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'Xyliz, Ambassador of Mesolar:)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read somewhere that the president of the usa after the one who started world war 2 died, but possibly before the other - after 1.3 or so million german soldiers surrendered, ordered they're all starved to death'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that's how they died - could be a lie though'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i also read about the mass-rapes by allied soldiers in germany/italy and france'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'god only knows (and a man who thinks he's god) about what really went on there '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'that was Eisenhower the mass murderer that starved german soldiers'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'mass rapes occur in almost every war, even happened in Rwanda'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and do you really need german males and non-choice cuts of meat if you have a nation of toys to indulge in?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '1.3 million or 5 million - unsure of the exact figure'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'do you think they were fed at all, non-gulag death camped germans who weren't all jews?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read of one woman living in texas who had a sterilization procedure, grandaughter or daughter of a high-ranking nazi officer'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'she might know some of what went on with all the survivors'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or only what she was taught'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'by her grandfathers enemy'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'think we should rename this channel to (Chemosh's NewsChannel)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'without links to websites corroborating your conjectures, what you say you read is doubtful'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'those afghani's sure know how to have a blast, people dare to have a singing and dancing gathering and it's sacriledge and blasphemy or something, i wonder what kind of heaven they look forward to'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you fart will god cut out your asshole for the offense?  his firmament might be holy, but that asshole of yours shouldn't get too haughty'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Chemosh i attempting to inflame and arouse anger, but the unverified uncorroborated garbled unintelligible incoherent illogical ravings are mostly disregarded, thus avoiding emotional entanglement'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Chemosh is attempting to inflame and arouse anger, but the unverified uncorroborated garbled unintelligible incoherent illogical ravings are mostly disregarded, thus avoiding emotional entanglement'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or maybe it was a black-flag terrorism, where the 'saviours' use some rogue-tactics to desecrate the civilians being installed upon the relevant threat of'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(notice the avoidance of commas to separate all those adjectives)'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't see much honesty coming out of there, you'd expect they'd give up chanting akhbar and say things how they are in human-terms , at least some of them'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i would anyways, i suspect extreme media suppression there'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they can get a internet transmission across though'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Chemosh: "the civilians being installed upon the relevant threat of" <-- incoherent'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i remember this one isolated incident i seen on youtube where a american helicopter gunner was shooting up unarmed civilians and reporters, clearly carrying reporting paraphernelia, in iraq'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'care to provide a link?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the relevant threat does things like blow up random buildings of various non-believers to gain support against the enemy, who's there to save them from the threat'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'that video footage was shown on the Daily Show'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who will most likely be the installed government in some form '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i hope it was just some random terrorist holy warrior executing some moses to please the god, but i don't know that'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seems like a pile of shit to me, the entire middle east involvement seems pointless '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they've killed eachother since before the bible was written, why would they stop now?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'irrelevant argument'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'illogical supposition'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they really wanted to stomp out the 'terrorist threat', they could shut off all immigration/tourism and trade with nations who's border's aren't good enough protected and policy's don't uproot or allow leeway for buy-in's'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then they wouldn't be able to come anywhere near the country itself without being detected'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'they want the oil'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'russia and china has some nice big tough guy military's with india there, they could flex their oil communist muscles over there and keep them in check'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then this one should export anybody who's interests lie elsewhere, like they can't live without this channel of foreign affairs'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lockdown world, right on'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cuba did alright'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Chemosh seems clueless.  the USA wants the middle east oil, and does not want to give al the middle east oil to China.  Russia exports oil, China consimes oil, so Russia and China controlling the middle east oil is not in the interests of the USA and western Europe'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't like communism though, one man telling all the beggars how to prove themselves worthy of this next breath of life'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'It's not about oil...'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's rediculous almost, since it says on BBC news that petro-china, who maybe didn't invest very much into the 'war on terror' in military personelle and stuff, received the oil contracts for alot of afghanistan , or other mineral contracts'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Chemosh is right on this.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so america is communist china oil corporations'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I hope I never have to type those words again'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Except there is more to it than capitolist vs. communist.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'it's about politcal and social capital'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'it's about manipulating and negotiating. Creating govgernments that favor your people, our nation.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'too simplistic, as though read from a school textbook'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'And a scandal involving oil is somehow more sophisticated?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'occupied governments, but not only zionist occupational governments?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'and further, being sophisticated lends an argument more credibility.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'I fail to see how that's the case.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i want what's best for that foreign nation over there, and my hefty private fortune, elect me to be your dear leader'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Closer to the truth.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sepulchure sighs.
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'to say "not about the oil" loses credibility in the debate'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Dude. You really think that's all the politicos care about?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Oil?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think they should rebuild the government and it's legislations and policy's 100%, it's rediculous what kind of things they get away with'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who is 'they'  = people with a facilitation for deliberation of the subject matter, like a democracy'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ok, so some snake can use his media mongul's to make himself look like jesus christ iscariot reborn with a bunch of lies that nobody in parliament can question, otherwise they'll be political opponents and fired from their jobs, and we have to put up with him for a term of 4 years amid vote fraud allegations with proof'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'because it's written in the almighty contract here, 4 years per slander devil political elect'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Chemoh suggests rebuild the government, and garbled Chemosh is unable to be coherent and express lucid -- yep, that is a laugh'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and memorandum's of understanding requires some good democracy, it removes all democracy'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and competitive market, free trade etc, memorandum of understanding on developing that too'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'trespass against the legislations protecting a certain government facility from being removed by a government like yours, no problem'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nobody'll be able to call you to account in the supreme court that you own, you think the military takes orders from anybody but their head of state?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the Republicans sought to "rebuild" the USA with  deregulation and more taxcuts --> financial meltdown'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so you use one group of inefficient lying serpents as examples why everybody else fails, as though they don't work together in their high-places to keep their interests deceptively in control of the world forever'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'was there a useful suggestion in there somewhere -- nope '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there is no solution'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe a final solution is coming, but that's nothing new is it?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people are too stupid'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'there was a missing comma is that long statement by Chemosh (between "high-places" and "to")'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'grammar police.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Chemosh is too incoherent, so is not taken seriously '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think people today are more mindless than ever before in history, except maybe isolated incidents where they developed the mass-effect of this end product in testing'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'could they survive using their ingenuity in the real world?  or this synthetic world we live in only?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'now you have to know how to filter basically any water source before you drink it for instance, and human stupidity keeps normalizing bottled water and poisoning all natural water sources'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Chemosh stating "... are too stupid" -- mini-pot calling the kettle sooty'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that's a pretty anti-productive stupidity if you ask me, once those bottles of water cost a little too much money'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'now where are you gonna get your water from?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'global endemic'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'we have wells on our land. we're good.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i know a person who lives near a large-oil producing place, and claims that while drilling they dropped the entire water table down 100 feet or more'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you need to dig some deep wells if they make an oopsie'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'no oil stuff around. we're fine.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'there's actually an underground stream underneath my room. almost lost a pump when we were lowering it down.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're all screwed. i hope you realise that'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cheery thoughts, brought to you by mcdonalds, visa, and pepsi'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would a school think it would be ok to give out school-issued laptops to their students with spyware that sends webcam screenshots back to the school server every 15 seconds, then use the footage to discipline a student for "improper behavior in the hom"?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'home*'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ron Paul was offered an opportunity to speak at the GOP under two conditions: that he delivered remarks vetted by the Romney campaign, and that he give a fully fledged endorsement of Mr Romney'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he declined saying that it would undo everything i've done for the last 30 years - I don't fully endorse him for president'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which means when he steps down, you'll be losing a very rare animal: A principled politician'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'UFOs - good or bad?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'ok'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'fictional'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UFO's are not fictional'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'i saw on e'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'at least some of them are.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any object that is flying and unidentified is a UFO'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'good.  If they appear like they have been, you get all sorts of entertainment.  If they DO appear, they will either be hostile or friendly, and eventually the retards will be dealt with.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'i bet you've also seen santa a few times too'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'joulupukki'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'and way to be pedantic tigetnuts'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Santa can be VERY naughty when he wants to.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'santa lives in finland.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the numbers are such that it's extremely unlikely that any planet would support life would have developed technology necessary to reach here'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that kinda assumes a level of transparency between military and civilian channels that just doesn't exist.  If there really were aliens and UFOs such that nobody could honestly doubt their existence, the general public would never really get to know about it until the mothership arrived and the world's military forces went to code brown.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'what is code brown?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what assumes?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'shiteing their britches'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'code poop'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'another race in another galaxy finding us would be like finding a needle in a haystack with no equipment'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'not really'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if they can get here, they have far better methods of detection.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'getting here is super unlikely'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it appears our makers went to considerable lengths to keep aliens apart'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'soon its possible to send a self-constructing nano-bots to assemble huge telescopes using only random junk in the space.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that might be so, but it remains that the best we can hope for is interplanetary and some limited seed-style interstellar ventures to the nearest galaxies, but those journeys will take decades'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless humans can somehow find immortality'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'it's possible from a certain veiw point get up to a very large fraction of C and your relative lifespan becomes huge'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ufo's visiting earth are about as likely as honest, capable politicans'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think they'll find life quite common out there in space, just sentient life won't be'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's currently no way to protect yourself from the radiation levels you'd be facing in space (by the way, we've never actually been in space except for trips to the moon).'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can protect yourself from alpha, beta, and gamma rays'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read that uv rays can't penetrate water, some simple lotion's probably just water that doesn't evaporate'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how would you get that to happen'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you get that via a ton of help from Earth's atmosphere.'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'uv penetrates water nicely. '
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hwuaijijal: 'at least clouds'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'on Earth, you only get something like -2 exposure to what's out there'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe we'd get more space exploration done if NASA would concentrate on space more, and on being a paid propoganda branch of Al Gore less'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'yeah but some of the more dangerous high energy particles have trouble with large quantities of water'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'just on the UV spectrum yes but there are other frequencies you don't want either'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they're spending trillions of dollars on exploring space for other than installing spy satellites and warfare against earth nations, to preserve the human race - why aren't they spending trillions of dollars on the world that they confirmed can sustain life in preserving it, so that they don't have to go to space to escape the death happening here?'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't really support humans colonizing space seeing what they did to this world'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they haven't done squeezing all the funds out of it, or wiping 90% of the population off of it'
T3/r7/2012-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '1)how are you going to get the water up there?  It might be lower now, but I read somewhere that it's like a million dollars per ton to transport stuff from ground to LEO.  That's just too damn expensive to simply chuck stuff up hoping nothing bad happens.'
T3/r7/2012-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Who's online today?'
T3/r7/2012-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pfft'
T3/r7/2012-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Portland, Oregon to spend $5m to poison it's public water supply'
T3/r7/2012-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/08/07/effects-of-fluoride-to-children.aspx'
T3/r7/2012-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'the word 'of' should be spelled 'uv''
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'checking in here too - seems the place to be atm ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so do we have anything here ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Scurv brought up decimating low sosioeconomic areas in developed countries - not sure the purpose ? anyone wanna start the 4th Riech under Scurvy ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is under any circumstance is breeding rights become breeding privalages ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Hi Scurv '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just for the record Oz hang shit on eachother as a matter or course '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'there are no breeding rights'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'but the whole eugenics theory during these times of fiscal constriction , the q? have been asked ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'what politically-correct eugenics theory'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'fiscal constraint'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just this - don't breed with Xy .. :P case in point ... :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol soz - getting paid out on ft - yet they wont do it direct - lol human nature / u know / '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'you losers are too inferior to breed, at least not with Xy '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lets move back to curse Xy - lets not debase this chann with... me ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'of suggest a topic ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or *'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'eugenics ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'c'mon u racists ? weigh in !'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'graduating (with honors) from an ESL class as a prerequisite to debating -- xchan'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'socio-economic'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we have socio economic racists like Scury who would like nothing better than to have the community decimated  because they are ? poor ? disfunctional ? idk - ask Scurv ? and we have the peace lonin socialist that wants to hand em $ because they don't have any ( for some reason) - so Zyclon B or ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(privileges)'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol - lol - lol - .... expand on that Xy / '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'in nature, there are neither privileges nor rights'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'given that priveleges extend from functionality and birthright/birth - socioecenomic statue shouldn't we just kull them and reduce the unemployment rate/ skills shortage stc ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'no reason to debate with a spellcheck illiterate - the illiterate is not going anywhere'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'tep Eienstien remembered all his shopping list ... ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'when the illiterate neophyte attempts to speak in public, society is likely to criticise and reject the illiterate neophyte (as uneducated)'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'when an enlightened matser reads any transcript they respond accordingly according to transmittion imo - what are you / troll or master ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hmm  ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'Druzil was (perhaps is) interesting and seemed (seems) sincere, and may yet be worth the effort of educating -- the spelling improved'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and so you answer ? for Tz ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Xy ?  drawing parralels between myseld and Dru ? - hmm - what was ur original statement ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'are you an accepted member of the community yet Xy ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz - take that back'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'soz R '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'the mxit abbreviations and the (deliberate or sloppy) misspellings are a turn off (the debate channel)'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah sorry Xyliz was looking for somefeadback too late in the day and  got some  (never read anothers diary) took it out on you - I am very sorry - over 20 std drinks onboard atm - but no excuse - really I have a 30 min window to  be here   my new barret is for hunting only - again soz '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd hate to be living in Tampa Fl right now'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what with all those powercrazed paedo authoritarian potbelly goons rushing around demanding to grope your nuts and inspect your bags with no warrant or jurisdiction whatsoever'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'admit it, you want the nutgrope'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vaccine inventor paul offit wants to end people's legal opt-outs to vaccinations'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'blackhawk helicopters fly over minneapolis to acclimatise citizens to their presence'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Lesbian Authoritarian and sexual predator Janet Napolitano has authorised the release of bacteria into the Boston underground network to study  the potential of real threats'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or, reading between the lines: 'lets do a dry run before we really dump something nasty there to blame on our target patsy group of choice''
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'modern economists, or people seeking to know about economics, should be directed to Genesis Chapter 47 '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'Yes, there is something wrong with American culture.'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rarshin: 'abandon -  coming from a prison colony.. :-P'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Abunai grabs some popcorn and sits back to watch the show.
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'Unless properly trained=military training, you aren't good enough with a gun for it to be a good weapon in the case of a close up grapple, not better than a knife.'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rarshin: 'miliary training isnt that great for handguns, your average grunt gets less than a week long course. i know from experience on that.. civilian word is much better'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'same argument with a knife'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'did you know australia was only established by the british as a prison colony after americans revolted and so the britsh couldnt send more prisoners/indentutered servant/white slaves to america'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rarshin: 'yup, we had guns, we broke away from imperial rule... you still have the queen on your money.'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'some of us like it that way'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rarshin: 'it's a difference in mindset, its my belief that taking away personal freedoms never makes you safer.'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rarshin: 'and honestly, if everyone was _required_ to carry a gun, crime rates would go way down.. because you now _know_ that person can fight back, even if they choose not to.'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'you can't take away my freedom to publish child porn'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well there's no freedom to murder either'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there's as much freedom here to shoot people as there is to publish child porn'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'as much as you make for yourself, same as anywhere else'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'ok getting back to the main point...'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'americans think everyone deserves a gun and gun crime is high, australia thinks you need a damn good reason to have a gun, and gun crime is low.... '
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rarshin: 'that's like saying.. in america the mauling by kangaroo's is lower than in australia'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Numenor: 'I was gonna talk on here but u cannot reason with a fool'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'are you seriously gunna tell me that you don't think the freedom of availblity of kalishnavo's and mach10's has nothing to doo with the rampages we see all the time in america ?'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'and the mindset that allows that allows the rampages by extension'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rarshin: 'it has as much to do with it as the people that go on spree killings with knives because that's what is available to them'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rarshin: 'it's not the cause, just the tool.. you can't blame a pan for a bad meal, just like you cna't blame a gun for a murder.'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'yeah... so i saw 2 guys on tv tonight do an armed robbery with 2 mactetes'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'all the patrons of the pub rushed them, unarmed'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'all on cctv'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rarshin: 'that doesn't mean much, i've seen plenty of stories of unarmed people stopping people with guns as well, it's again, the people, not the tools.'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'yeah i said that'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the intellectual opinion is that America is a culture of fear'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rarshin: 'how ever, one patron with a gun could have stopped the siutation with out risking as much personal injury.'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'fear leads to anger, anger leads to the dark side'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rarshin: 'you missed hate...'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rarshin: 'ruining my sith prayer...'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'lol you don't know aussies... we prefer fists'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's the risking personal injury thing there that paradoxically made it safer in that situation abandonhope mentioned'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'evening citizens'
T3/r7/2012-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the US government cannot test biological agents on the public, except in pretty much any circumstance'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Howdy'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanmuru Kirua: 'i object!'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'throw the bum out!'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'when did the English standardise and unify the English language, before during or after the 17th century (checking whether Serinal is using  old-medieval-english dictionary or not)'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: '(before standardisation and unification, the english language was in a medieval mess of numerous dialects and anything-goes misspellings)'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'CNN reports... I just saw on a clip... FATHER & SON + OLD MAN SYRIAN SEX! As Punishment during interrigation! LOL!! I SURE AM GLAD I WAS MADE IN AMERICA!!'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '34 south african miners protesting shot dead by police. 270 remaining african miners protesting to be prosecuted for their murder'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abunai: 'sounds fair enough to me:P'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Venji: 'those awful, lazy miners'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, prostrate black man not under arrest kicked in the neck and badly manhandled by police'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abunai: 'any riots follow?'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abunai: 'must not of been in LA'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, but the guy taking the video shouting "Don't worry, G, you'll have a payday coming up for this...."'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think the way cops (and other law/psuedofakelaw enforcement people) act these days are a total disgrace to civilised society'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we'd do well to get rid of them all'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'just these days? they been acting like that all over the years'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'rid of all cops? and have what a copless town lol'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd like to see the return to county/city/state cops'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'injustice will always be injustice, want to get rid of it'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and to have far far stricter codes of conduct for them'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'make sure you kill all mankind'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'all of us and injustice will be gone for good'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course, you get rabid liberals like Yuna think that cops should be allowed to break the law and get away with anything while everyone else gets jailed for thought crime'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'you still angry at yuna?'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, just disappointed'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'well people do have different ways of thinking'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'indicative of the sort of person whom, when it all goes to hell, will be fucking useless'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'will be boring if not...'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'maybe.. but then again it has been going all to hell for years now'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rate of change is accelerating'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'no '
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'information rate is accelerating'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'is just that'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'now you can watch a war like a tv series'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'well has been a lovely chat but need to work.. have a nice one'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hehe, ftw! groupon.com offers discounts on firearms classes that would open the door for students to be able to carry concealed in 33 sttes'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'how commonly do college campuses allow guns though?'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by students i don't think it means college students, just people who take the class'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'what?'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hot mic at rnc catches republicans praising censorship of Ron Paul'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'like, of senator status?  Or just a random republican?'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'random republican'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though it's kinda obvious that the censorship of Dr Paul was conducted from a high, internal level right from the outset'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but there you go, their masters had decreed who they wanted and whom they didn't want right at the start before any kind of vote took place'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'no doubt.  I don't agree with all his policies, but Jon Stewart did a hilarious segment where the media was intentionally skipping straight over him in the polls'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's the only one of your american politicians that i do agree with'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Paul Ryan is okayish, but Romney is a crook and Obama is a communist'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'he's probably the most vocal anti-war, which is unusual for a Republican these days'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unusual for -any- mainline politician'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'he gets some grief for essentially wanting to decommission our department of education though'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a sound plan'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd do the same here in the UK if i were in charge'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the biggest problem with both candidates, neither of them understands the premise of the republic, and both want all the controls and power in the hand of the central government'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK's power structure was designed that way, US's was designed the opposite'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if Obama were an honest socialist, maybe i'd distrust him less...'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'if politicians were honest....'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they were once......'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have to go back to... what... Eisenhower?'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I dunno, there's a lot who'll claim we knew Pearl Harbor was coming'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Venji: 'nah, I think they just seemed honest for the lack of  '
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'in reality, I'm sure it was a calculated risk that they might consider an attack, and we chose poorly to ignore it'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Venji: 'media, web 2.0 and what not'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'hell even the founding fathers had the cajones to write "all men were created equal", then go back home to their slave-run plantations'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I guess because they at that time considered slaves as property and not as ppl.'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'the truth is, honest men have no use for government, and governments have no use for honest men'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Government arises from the cycle, it's not a construct'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abunai: 'is there such a thing as an honest man?'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i'm sure we all have our idea, i for one have quite an exhaustive plan to sort out the UK where I live'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but one person does not a movement make'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Spread knowledge, like a virus in the Matrix'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you start having really bad vibes the last few days, Dosset?'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'lol true that, tiger.  I'd like to hear from a government run with something different than a first-past-the-post republic/democracy though.  Really tired of our two-party system.'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Not been paying attention'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'our founding fathers understood political parties to be the greatest threat to converting our democracy back into a form of oligarchy - but they couldn't figure out how to prevent it'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'coalitions in Europe don't work either, the problem isn't so much the method, but the size'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'also the sense of unity'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Course they knew: the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's just that now, we've been disarmed physically and economically'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dunno, Dosset, never had liberty here'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, that's not strictly true, we did from around 1215 til.... probably 1400ish'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and from 350ADish to around 800AD in places'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and in prehistory'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'had to pay the price for that liberty though'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well, freedom or security, either way you have to pay for it somehow'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'We pay for it, and get nothing'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The former is sacrificed under the pretense of the latter'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you want freedom then you have to be responsible'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'well security is a bit of an illusion, what we get is a non-eventfulness that we'll call security'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and if you don't want to be responsible then you have to do what you're told'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They don't even have to do that'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abunai: 'you know it's hard to take you serious'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They create bogeymen to scare us into tossing our freedoms away'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abunai: 'cambodia talking about freedom'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here captures the feeling pretty well'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'does seem a bit ironic'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and yet there it is...??'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abunai: 'sorry I missed it'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'anyway more to the issue is that if we actually understood what freedom was, instead of just repeating it like a slogan that has been brainwashed into us, we wouldn't be tossing our freedoms away'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we'd be facing our bogeymen with a lot more courage'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'face the politicians then, since they're the bogeymen'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but no one cares about what freedom means in the Land of the Free, that's the problem'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they say freedom but actually just want security'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They put out white noise to distract people so they won't care'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they will when any last vestment of it is gone'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by which time it'll be too late'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'People don't care that spy drones are watching them domestically, since they can just watch football, or Jersey Shore, or Batman'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's created to be that way'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'see, the people who founded this country actually used to live in a monarchy that was actually oppressive, so they knew what freedom meant, and when they found an opportunity to have some, they were grateful as fuck'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and now we just want to be fat and rich'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'yet they had foresight enough to know that a few generations would destroy the foundation, as humans always do'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'really, America is an adolescent country, what we need to do is collectively grow up'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'People are taught not to - hedonism is rewarded'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right...that's why they made the system like it is...so that no matter who rocks the boat, it will keep lumbering on at least'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Why develop discipline, when I can get instant gratification?'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'As long as that dopamine steady-state is maintained, animals don't care what else happens'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '= America'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there is a beautiful answer to that question DosseT'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'a magnificent, beautiful answer, and America has no idea what it is'
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xyliz: 'those that lie and commit adulteration with words, calling socialists communists, are also the wannabe bogeymen to be stomped '
T3/r7/2012-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but other places in the world...they've known it for a long, long time'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'to eat a baby or not to eat a baby?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrni: 'are you hungry?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'depends if the baby is already dead'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'if it isn't then punch it first'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'wow kinda late to be joining that discussion...we're onto new subjects like smoking blunts'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler says Its TiMe FoR a FaTtY, bOoM bAtTy,BlUnT.
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'blunts are gross'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'why ruing good pot with tabacoo'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'tobacco blows.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Duncanyoyo: 'I'd rather bong it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'yea well the mudd social didnt have a bowl command'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'i somke my dank ass nugs outta bowls'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's not that much tobacco'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'or a joint'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler nods at Holiday in Cambodia.
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'i like joints no paraphenalia'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'hes got aids...but hes right'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Duncanyoyo: 'joint papers are made of tobacco a lot of times, unless you get the hemp ones.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'joint papers are not made of tabacco'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FrT: 'except roaches. I hate ditching those.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vorpal Vorpes: 'ah can't wait to smoke again'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'ahh...me too...think ima smoke right now on my lunch break'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Who's in here today?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'Nobody in here?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'anybody seen Tiger or Tzad?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaccarion: 'hell even chemosh?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler farts in the direction of Zaccarion.  Better flee before he turns to you!
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'dear god done get anybody started on a  debate unless we're talking bout hookers or dead babies...maybe drugs'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'All sedated'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler pukes on his clothes.
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mr. Dirty Dirkdiggler: 'debate that amongst yourselves'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'anyone cracking here ? '
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we had some George Soros employed clacks spewing pro Obama nonsense onto BBC website today, was quite amusing to watch'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'military drills in Mineapolis involving blackhawk helicopters are training to go against civilians'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hasn't entirely subsided now, either'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'is cloning right or wrong?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of what?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it...could cause trouble depending on what you clone?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'well cloning in general.., and Why would you Say so?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'That's a bit like asking 'is eating bread right or wrong?''
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'because cloning plants actually comes in handy'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"are things right or wrong?"'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they can help or hurt'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'basically right and wrong'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'ok then more specific.., cloning living organisms other than plants '
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Cloning is only wrong if your mom is cloned, because defective people should not be duplicated.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'No, right versus wrong is a moral question.  It has no meaning without context.  E.g. eating bread is usually good for you, but it's not inherently 'right' to eat bread.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cloning living organisms is generally not needed'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Botting is wrong, but Jhav does it anyway.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav snuggles up to Starling.
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well conceivably if you could clone your internal organs, transplants would be much easier'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'what is this morality thing you speak of?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Starling eyes Jhav suspiciously.
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'ok this doesn't seem to be going anywhere.., new topic... creationism vs evolution.., discuss :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they are both true'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'and the reason for your statement is?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'the fact that there is still debate in the U.S. about that subject is disturbing'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia is agreeing with that Saric person again...
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'cambodia with ID ftw'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the two are the same'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well it's like if I homebrew some wine'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Both wrong!  It's all caused by the FSM.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I set the conditions, but the yeast make the wine'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'God made the universe, and then the universe made us'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'both true, depending on how you like to see it, now I agree with Saric, can we just leave that shit alone?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'but that's in contrast with what is written.., looking from a christian or jews respective'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well how many Christians really understand the Bible?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the Jews, now they know how to study the book'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they think creationism is at odds with darwin, then clearly they don't understand the bible'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'anyway, progressive Christians in this day and age don't really have a problem with science'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'HAHA yes they do... and a lot of christians understand the bible.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'i mean the jews know how to study a book :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well if you think that God and science are incompatible then no, I would say you do not'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I mean, you can say that God did it, and then still figure out how he did it, and get knowledge from that'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'The existence of God is unsupported by science, much like psychics.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'they're not, until we acquire knowledge/evidence which contradicts what our religion has taught us'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the existence of pretty much anything isn't supported by science'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'science is looking for the wrong thing anyways'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'God isn't about what is in the universe, it's about what is in the person who is looking at the universe, so of course science will never find shit when it looks for God'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'science is simply a method of gaining knowledge, how can it ever look at the wrong thing?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Cambodia, you should use your super psychic powers to unravel the secrets of the universe.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'Thanks, I plan to :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'science is a method of testing a hypothesis'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'one that is testable'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'i have no problem whatsoever with science.., i just don't believe in macro evolution.., where one type of animal is created from another'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'one animal being created from another is called reproduction'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'evolution is about species, not animals'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'evolution is not a belief... '
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'sorry i meant like an ape from a lizard'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yeah it's pretty much been tested and proven that animals adapt genetically to the environment'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'LIES'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'That's just SATAN trying to mislead you!'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no silly, the creationists think that evolution means that life isn't sacred'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'actually they don't adapt genetically to the environment'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'actually they...?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they/we have genetic mutatations regardless of the environment'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'that's called micro evolution... Tiny changes to adapt'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'most of those mutations are either not noticeable or are quite bad...but occasionally some will give an advantage'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'haven't we found a population of cats that are on the bleeding edge of being different species?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and God sorts it out'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but they didn't change to adapt to the environment'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Applicable: http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2703#comic'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they changed just cuz they had fucked up internals'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they glitched when reproducing or regeneting'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'regenerating*'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Jhav's bot evolves and adapts to all imm attempts to detect it'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Starling: 'Therefore the trick to getting rid of Jhav is to force his bot to adapt so much that it becomes inoperable.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'how do you get rid of the descolada virus?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vixsin: 'You don't. The descolada virus gets rid of YOU. '
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'major pharma corps are stopping most of the research into new antibiotics'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'yeah but a bunch of mutations that are an advantage to the animal won't change it into a new type of animal.., a cat would always be a cat... it might just be a cat with an advantageous mutation'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'now where'd that "why evolution is stupid" video...'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If Intelligent Design exists, explain the Platypus, the Continent of Australia and that fungus which infects ants, eat out their brains, control their husks so they climb to a height and then explodes out of the ants' skulls to spray the air with new spores to restart the cycle of horror.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the silly thing is that those anti-evolution Christions want to think that just because we came from monkeys we aren't sacred in God's eyes'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So... God was drunk (platypus), God hates brown/black people (Australia) and God hates ants (fungus)?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's easy...God's fucking with you.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'changes in species can only be seen throughout a long period of time... there is no point where parent and child are different species'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'a monkey is still holy though, because God made it, so even by their rationale they are out of hand'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Animals don't have souls!'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'of course, since American politics uses Christianity as a tool, it all means something different'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, without any God-given sanctity, nothing has a soul'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sorry, what exactly about Australia is anti-black-people?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'now I think that whole creationism/evolution thing could be more about how much clout Christianity wants to have over school curriculum more than any real theological or scientific issue'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I think he was making a racist joke, along the lines of being burnt to a crisp.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the real joke is Africa, though.  Even God hates Africa.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'australia's no more likely to burn to a crisp than any other hot/desert climate'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'God created a monkey and He created a human... He didn't create a human from a monkey... God took dust.., molded a human from it and blew his life air into it... that's basically what's written in genesis'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Australia is filled with animals, plants and non-living things that can and do kill humans. Unless God really hates black/brown people (you know, the Aboriginees), why would he make a continent designed to kill humans?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'Genesis is a highly figurative depiction though'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there are animals, plants and non-living things that can and do kill humans on all 7 continents'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'what if you had to talk to a bunch of uneducated desert nomads thousands of years ago, and tell them how evolution happened'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'what would you tell them?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'still quite curious what is australia-specific here'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'australia lost all it's rights to be good when it fell in behind the new world order'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What part of "Australia is full of animals, plants and even inanimate objects that can and do KILL humans" was too confusing for you, Abelinc?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'also it's really fucking hot'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nothing's confusing about that...merely the part where australia is a contrast to anywhere else'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'every continent has that same claim'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'sorry i have no answer to that actually... but God created us according to his image... so are you saying God looks like a monkey?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Maybe the implication was too unclear to the mentally retarded. Australia has a higher number and concentration and of shit that can and will kill you than all the other continents on Earth.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it all has stupid names'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he does.  Ever notice how similar monkeys and humans look?  If the god claim were true, then either God himself is monkey-like or he had a mental block and used monkeys as the model.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'like fuck it has a higher concentration of those things'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'or maybe it's like music'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the closest thing allowing you to be able to state that it has a higher concentration is simply that humans were later to colonize it, and we've done more "taming" of the rest of the world'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'a whole bunch of primitive examples out there, and a few that encompass the others'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The majority of Australia's land mass is desert or desert-like. The fuck is there to colonize?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oz has resources, which is why China now owns most of it'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'topic boring... even though australia is dangerous the fact is, its still an extremely beautiful country :)'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And unless you just wage a genocidal campaign against the wildlife, you can't get rid off the killer animals, which includes everything from marine life to spiders.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'old people.  Old people apparently like hot, arid places like Arizona.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's funny, since it only has the 8th largest desert...'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not only there are a vastly larger number of lethal (to humans) species of animals in Australia than in the rest of the world, they are much larger in number per capita, per square mile, per square anything.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps the UK should start shipping prisoners there again'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, tiger...china owns most of everything'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What part of "Desert-LIKE" was too confusing for you, Abelinc? I'm sorry, is my BASIC ENGLISH confusing to you?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you're still going to die horribly if the 5th-deadliest scorpion stabs your foot.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yeah I think China is about to take the throne from us'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'again, yuna, the part where your claims are fully retarded'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we're still having a hard time dealing with that'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'stating untruths repeatedly, and while attacking the one refuting them, doesn't make them true'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm sorry that you studied your Australian geography under Sara Palin'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'too bad that happens literally all the time in politics'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Desert-LIKE.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'because politics is about appealing to the masses'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the tactics for that are different than for actually discovering truth'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, the masses don't want truth...they wanna like what they hear...truth sucks'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'right. Unfortunately, the most important skill in a debate tends not to be logic'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's about exploiting the weaknesses of undisciplined and uneducated minds'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'mind control'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'give us some examples of truths people don't want to hear'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '5 minutes on Google will tell you that Australia is the home of the larger collection of deadly animals.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's like I'm talking to Stephen Douglas over here'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm SORRY if the school system has failed you, Abelinc.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Name one continent that's more dangerous.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the reason why the government conceals the truth is because people can't handle the truth'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'global warming is a good example :) I'm sure that will spark some outrage'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they have no idea what really goes on and what is really necessary to run a country'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Antarctica'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Even innocuous looking fish can be deadly to humans in Australia.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'south america, africa, antarctica'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, all those piranha in australia, and all the blowfish'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Antarctica has a larger number and/or concentration of deadly animals?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldehyde: 'smart move on they're part... hmmm.., do you guys think there exists life out there?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you said animal, plant, and non-living dangers'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think north america is the most dangerous because of all those al-cia-da terrorists hiding in 4yr olds underpants and down teenage girls' tops'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'By "non-living", I didn't mean fucking weather.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But fine, drop that then. Focus on the animals and plants.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you were claiming that the fauna, flora and climate were all worse than anything possible anywhere else'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I didn't mean climate. You misintepreted my statement. Weather has nothing to do with my argument.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if you didn't mean "fucking weather", you would not have been working so hard on "DESERT-LIKE"'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'only like 8 species of pirahna are carnivorous, and of those only a few are able to handle humans such that the human dies.  There's in total something like 40 species of pirahna.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so quit fucking lying your ass off about what you mean'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'lrn2debate'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia grabs some popcorn and sits back to watch the show.
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'YOU said that the only reason Australia had so many deadly animals was because humans were late in colonizing it.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'climate change will happen whatever we do, hans, just a shame it's being used as a club to beat us with'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The "Desert-like" argument was to refute that.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's largely desert-like, so what's there to colonize?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'desert-like doesn't refute that in the least'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Stop ignoring the context.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the entire middle-east goes against your logic there'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Western Civilization has colonized the Middle East? I had no idea!'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'who said anything about western civilization?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cain killd Abelinc types debate -h western and doesn't see the reference
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'A for effort, though'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Then what did you mean by "colonization"?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That the Aboriginees were late in popping up there?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'wow, hard to grasp basic concepts there, and you're calling me retarded?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What basic concept? Who are you saying "colonized" Australia if not Western civilization?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'why on earth would it have been western civilization?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Then WHO were you talking about?!'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'humans, yuna...humans...read the entire statement'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Who do you allege colonized Australia if not Western civilization?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Aboriginees? Because they arrived in Australia FORTY-FIVE THOUSAND YEARS AGO.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And you CLEARLY have no idea how deadly Australia's wildlife really is if you think piranhas and blowfish are the only things you really need to worry about in the Australian waters.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Australia was discovered in 1968 by Sir John Charles Australia after a rowing trip up the Thames got out of hand'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You can't even tell stonefish from... stones (and rocks) because of their natural camouflage and their bites are deadly to humans.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and you clearly have no idea how deadly wildlife is everywhere'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I never said no other continent has large concentrations or numbers of deadly animals. I'm just arguing that Australia has the most.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and you're arguing incorrectly'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hans, were you aware that Obama is a communist?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'M not the one claiming humans were late to "colonize" Australia.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'of course you're not...that's why you're wrong about everything you're trying to claim'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But hey, that's proper debating technique... I guess. You know, telling blatant lies.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yes, I was aware.  It was pretty obvious by the time the primaries rolled around.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then you're a master debater, congratulations'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'were you also aware Romney is a crook, Hans?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You still refuse to recant your statement. So... humans were late in colonizing Australia. HOW is that a proper argument?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You refuse to actually justify your arguments, you just throw them out there and then declare yourself winner.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'why would I recant a fully-correct statement?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'anyone with a pore is a crook.  You'll need to be more specific.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'read the entire statement. it's quite critical to the discussion'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Then TELL me how that's a correct argument to use here.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Humor me, repeat what came after.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what came after it was "and we've done more "taming" of the rest of the world'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Except that's totally untrue.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You pat Summoner Yuna on his head.
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Unless you mean that poachers keep killing off African predators.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'do they?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'or whatever. How the FUCK is humans "taming" the rest of the world?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In the essence that we're killing off or limiting the number of deadly animals?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'do poachers (or non-poacher killers/hunters) kill off predators?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That seems to be your argument. Otherwise your "taming" argument makes absolutely no sense.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'since your claim to Australia was God's plan for it, the discussion is regarding the relative dangers of the continents as God put them'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'god set the difficulty level up higher in oz'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and, quod erat demonstrandum :-)'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'dude, english only on public channels.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sorry, that should've been "QED, bitches"'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So... you refuse to actually explain your arguments.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You claim Australia isn't the deadliest continent because humans have "tamed" the rest of the world more and REFUSE to elaborate on that, choosing to instead simply declare yourself winner.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what's to elaborate?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you've stated that my claim was true'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No I didn't. Where did I state that?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So once again you've resorted to blatant lies.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aww, and those are the best sort'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'holy shit you're still on Australia?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what lies? read your statements regarding poachers, predators, deadly animals and taming'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they got shipwrecked there, camobdia'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia grins evilly at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'now you need me to tell you what you said, not just what I said?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Where do I claim you were right? Quote me.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I guess I'll leave it at Summoner Yuna: 'Maybe the implication was too unclear to the mentally retarded.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'smells like burning to me'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So once again you choose to simply lie through your teeth and then refuse to elaborate on your arguments (lies) when the opponent demands you do.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How proper of you.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'needs more lube.  Friction is beyond safe limits.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'looks like we're going to have to call a draw here'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we need a judges panel?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'or a stalemate or a this-thing-has-devolved-too-far-into-personal-attacks-to-be-productive-anymore'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'You're all wrong and I'm always right.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, "once again"...it's all you've done the entire conversation'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav nods quietly to himself.  What a wacko.
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'There, do I win the debate channel?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'pretty much'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Snookie, a Kardashian, and that funny blonde from Glee would make a great panel for debate.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'Why would you want it? *duck'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, Jhav, you win Yuna, now take her away, please, there's a good chap'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, australia wildlife deaths: stonefish: One unconfirmed death by stonefish in 1915.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'Australia's worst killers...about 20 people a year die from horse riding accidents....Around 10 people per year in Australia die from European Honey Bee stings after going into anaphylactic shock....And around 300 people a year drown.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how many die from bbq or 'ute' accidents?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'How many die from champaign corks in France every year?'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more civilians died in the USA in the last 10 years from televisions falling on them than from al-cia-da terrorists'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well we killed osama and saddam'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why you need to spend billions of dollars on security and have the TSA grope your children when you travel'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so like, that's it for al qaeda :P'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no it's because we're fearful and paranoid'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'haven't you heard? they're on OUR side now, we're giving them missiles and allsorts'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, saddam had nothing to do with qaeda'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'but censoring words on TV might save one life ever year, but the TV itself seems like a real killing machine.'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh I know'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that was a slick little bait and switch that they pulled'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, we gave them missiles and allsorts 20 years ago, too...and trained bin laden at our best cia schools'
T3/r7/2012-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yeah we trained saddam, too'