T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'on a side note ask about a goal and no one helps lol give u weird ass tips but no real info ... ask about hero areas and exploring at 200 ... an receive answers to "Save you time" where were u when we were stuck on Goals??? oh those were supposed to be fun lol irony'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'how many people remember the goal solutions anyway?'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'how many other people document them ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and how many of those will bother to open up their text files and search for a random person they don't know?'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'i remember when asked if given task detail'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'if i did it that is'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'not many, but the ones who do are consistant, and loud'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'and think a lot or themselves and have fragile egos'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'lore is ignored when exploring and questing but goals ... nah man thats what this game is all about ... its like DnD -.-'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'there was implied sarcasm there'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'yes, the older player cliques need a way to make themselves feel better and more important than others, so in a game where anyone can simply grind to the top... goals become important'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'anyone can do goals too'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'i used to care alot about being the best or getting to the top ... but after 15 years of online gaming, i dont care lol i play i have fun good , if i dont i stop'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'and its all EASY there isnt a "skill" its not skill to add hurdles its just time consuming so thats why u enjoy yourself along the way'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'goss noth up'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Stage" deli closes in nyc - the rent was too damned high'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama adviser Valerie Jarrett heckled by liberal greenish activists'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, normal conception'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looked like she was in her 40s'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'hi :D'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'incorrect'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no?'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'maybe'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Obama wants stimulus spending to offset dragon on economy from tax increases"'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he doesn't seem to understand what his stimulus is doing'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the man is fiscally incontintent'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'maybe you should write him a stern letter explaining what his team of economists failures are'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he can only read from teleprompters'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'suppose i could write it in 144pt font'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'also he has a hand up his back'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well we know that, leaders in my country are much the same, they're just enslaving the people slower'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people here LOVE working for the company store....'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'and the dramatic reveal: all counrties and all leaders are like that'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'these days it does appear like that'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that isn't justification to accept it though'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'i know, why don't you stage a grass roots sit-in at wall st or outside an apple store'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Wall St is a bit far away being in another country and all'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: '<insert local stock exchage>'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'tigernuts, where do you live?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'those poor oppressed scots'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'freedom of speech is largely gone here, you can't protest without police permission'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and people get victimised for political beliefs that are not mainstream'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'show some balls then, freedom is not 'free''
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll be doing my bit, no need to worry about that'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'you sound like a possible terrorist'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well according to US documents, I am'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'did you read a subverive website ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'subversive*'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given that the definition of subversive could mean that any website that doesn't toe the line of the government, then yes'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as has pretty much everyone at some point in time'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(unless they don't read)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'SAS are en route'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll put the kettle on'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'good lad'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't see what the big issue is with the bush tax cut expiration'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'uhhhh'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you dont follow politics then'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'are you american'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's piffling'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'it's taxes... people hate tax changes'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'compared to the scale of the problem, it's trivial'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i am quite versed in politics... ask me what you want to know'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it's so everyone feels fair'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'i'm literally giggling'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'what america needs is higher taxes on capital gains'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'razkin you're commenting in a realm you dont seem to grasp, not being a dick, but theres much more to it than that'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh noes $55 billion in defence cuts?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'no new carrier for christmas'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'america could benefit from defense cuts'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'america could halve it's defence spending'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but what  the fiscal cliff is a debate on whether or not to let the Bush tax cuts expire'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'but then they couldnt have a military base in every country keeping them in line'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: ''defence spending' is such a meaningless term, it should be "blowing up mostly innocent brown people" spending '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'which is a tax that will bump middle class americans tax brackets by about 2200 dollars'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'and will let tax cuts on wealth americans expire'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your tax system still isn't as complicated as ours'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'I am well versed in American politics.  It's my favorite subject, as I am american.  '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'tiger.. where are you?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'well defense is a valid term, the US military is defending the US econmic interests, and therefore thier position as top dog economiclly'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'over here i'm calling for, and the party I'm loosely affiliated to now, are calling for a grand simplification of taxes'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in any business, abandon, if you spend more than you make, it's bad business, so there is no valid claim for that'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and we all know American foreign escapades have NOT been helping domestic defence'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'how about just killing income tax ... like a 1% increase in capital gains tax would cover that.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at least, if all the clampdowns on freedoms and liberty due to terrorism are to be believed'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can only go by UK numbers, but here that wouldn't cover it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some here talk about abolished capital gains altogether, others such as myself believe in equalising capital gains with income tax and removing ALL of the deductables and allowances for both'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'i would like to acctually see the number on that'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'capital gains taxes arent the problem'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'bc capital gains are already taxed twice'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'entitlement reform is necessary'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why some want them abolished'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tax reform and spending reform are both necessary'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'flip sides of the same coin'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'anyone here have a degree in economics ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but socialism isnt the answer either'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(if they have, they need shooting, Abandon)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'welfare accounted for 23% of UK spending in 2011, healthcare 24%, welfare+protection 15%'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'i acctually enjoyed my one semester of economics at uni'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in 2008, capital gains tax brought in 5.0bn gbp compared to income tax 155.0bn'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so in the grand scheme of things, it's trivial'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is a little out of date, but gives you an idea of the sheer number of different things'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UK_taxes.svg'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even that doesn't show how ridiculously complicated some of them are'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: '5B ? that seems like a tiny percentage of all CG'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'so increase it, them billionares aint gunna suffer'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this isn't about fleecing people, this is about ensuring the government does the minimum necessary, that everything it does is beneficial to all, and that everyone pays their fair share'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I"m not going to even pretend to know much about the U.K., but from what I've heard, there's  been a fairly significant decrease in muilionaires in the U.K.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so no, i'm no more against fleecing the rich than i am screwing the poor'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'bleh, can't type tonight, but still'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'millionaires don't pay tax, so it's largely irrelevent'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'because income tax is a burden on the working classes, and an increase in capital gain just means some wealty fucker will only be able to buy 3 ferrari's instead of 4'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can thank globalisation for that'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'normally I tend to agree with you more than  not, but I refuse to believe that in no way are illionaires getting taxed'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're getting taxed, but they're not paying the tax rate'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and increasing the tax rate doesn't solve it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'oh, well, Ok, that I agree with'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go look at the example of Google and Starbucks in the UK recently, there are plenty of news stories about it. Also look at Jimmy Carr'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but it's still a loss in tax revenue if they're taking their money out'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, you're right, but it's not something you can fix while being in the EU'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'taxes dont make govt'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can break it though'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'although to me, if your losing millionaires, that to me says that you're making your economy less than business friendly'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'part of the problem is the politicans are in the wealthy class.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well the article you're referring to refers to tax rises by the previous (left centre pretend-socialist) government that have since been partially recinded'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yeah, they're part of the ruling elite who will make rules to ensure that they continue to gain wealth and power, and do only enough to prevent revolt by everyone else'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'any govt thats able to give it's people whatever they want, is strong enough to take it way'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Jefferson... So true'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'under my suggestions, on that pie chart on that link you'd look to reduce the number of slices, essentially having an income tax, VAT, a couple of 'duties', a locally-administered income tax component, and that's it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people aren't interested in founding fathers, quelz, they're interested in their latest gizmo's and whatever the government tells them or gives them'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they say "put your arm in this blender, it's for the earth" they'll do it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the problem with allowing your government to tax something is that they usually won't release the ability to tax it later'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you'd be surprised what people are actually interested in'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why governments will get worse and worse until revolution'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'revolution usually takes the mantle of a party with a radical approach'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'revolution is actually very bad for government'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though if the tyranny has got sufficiently bad, you get uprisings'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yeah, as Egypt is finding out'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it puts forth the idea that government is decided by those who have the most force'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'jefferson said that an armed revolt was necessary every 20 years in order to maintain a govt'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're overdue, then'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well all I can say is that in countries where armed revolt is actually the way'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately most people have been put to sleep by the media'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'dont debate American politics with me, i know about them then anyone on this game!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they turn into constant war'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is bad government'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'not arguing, just stating :D'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'cambodia thats bc they are fledgling nations'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So is the US.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right, they don't know where good government is'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'democracies arent formed, they are made '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the point of government is stability'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since politics has a lot of ideology and opinion in it, you can't claim to 'know' and therefore be right....'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'when you remove a tyrant and replace it witha  tyrant, history repeats itself'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh yes you can'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'youre right tiger'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you measure it by peace'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but i love politics, and love people... my aim is for the extension of the existance of man'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'not my own gain'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Then you should be into science, not politics.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ok, anything past stability is up to the individual'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's fine, depends on how you want to implement that, quelz'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'government's job is to maintain peace and stability'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'political science ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i dont spread my opinion, i spread the ideas of what will work (although that statement is opionated in itself lol)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and since we're quoting/paraphrasing people, I think it was Milton Friedman who use to make comment about how he was amazed that america has lasted as long as it has without losing all semblence to democracy'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that means, we cannot have war going on around here'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'ranrr its not about science sir'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and anything in a positive direction, is not the job of the government'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you think it is, then you are mistaken'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'democracy is dead in US and in the UK, Razkin'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what you see is a parody of democracy'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'hold on! lets focus this debate, bc im enjoying it, be random statements on governing arent going to help the conversation'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'd say more dying than dead, but still'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'democracy can't work on a large scale in any case'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Abandonhope nods.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree, cambodia'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but random.....'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'so what im saying is, if we're debating american politics, lets stick with american politics'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'demorcacy and free market capatalism are at ods imo'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'what the US has (at least) is about as good as democracy can get for a nation of well over half a billion people'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'quelz, i see you're new here. don't bother arguing with tigernuts'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Extension and improvement of human life is done by science, not politics.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'because there are so many backgrounds here that we have to focus on one aspect of this without it continuing to be an endless debate about how we're unhappy'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'government's job is to provide stability and peace so that science and spirituality can have somewhere to work'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I was kind of hoping he would argue with Tiger, since I haven't seen Yuna lately, or at least not when I'm on'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'sorry, I do believe that there are two sides to living'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'govt job is to maintain peace and facilitate commerce'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you threaten stability, the government has to step in, if they are good'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not sure i agree with that, cambodia, your system WOULD be the best had you not been getting some fed-heavy travel going on the last 10-20 years'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Agree with you C, except if you are going to include spirituality, you need to include a lot more.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'ok, if you want to know what govt should do, people.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, you don't find out if they're good until they step out when they should'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'your govt should provide safety, health, and education, and thats it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'OK, Ranrr, let me offer a definition'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Abandonhope grabs some popcorn and sits back to watch the show.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there are two sides to execution, or work'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'one is the details of the real world, the science'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'anything beyond those basic necessities, inhibits its countries progression'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the other side is the mind and spirit of the person doing the work'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Agreed, Q.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the spirituality'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'both sides must be in focus for work to get done'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'govt providing health and education is debatable ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you must not only know what to do, but you must be the person capable of doing it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, I think they should, but on the state level'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'policing ? municipal works ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'in a nutshell, that is the dividing line'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I would not call that spirituality, but ok, C.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'of course, that's more of an America thing, but I still think those should be out of the federal level'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'wait fellas'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'Quelz, I find it surprising how often that mantra is recited -- largely without evidence'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'truly though, that is what spirituality encompasses'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Ahem !'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Razkin has the nub of it, your government, and democracy as a whole works best when on a LOCAL level'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'what are the only things a person needs to succceed, outside of their own abilities'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'safety, health, and education'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the bigger the size of your monolithic democracy, the less representative it becomes'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'the govt does things that a benifical to the community that business wont step up to do.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the first level of Maslow's pyramid of needs .. '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'if you're people are safe, healthy, and smart there isnt a need for anything else because they'll be smart enough to do it on their own'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you know, like, to be a champion boxer, you must learn the discipline of boxing, the ways to move, the feints, the ways to punch, how to actually box'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, unfortunately, people also don't take much interest in their local government, and I'm sometimes guilty of that myself'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'which we can compare to a corporiate democracy which is not representative regardless of what how big it is'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'then you must have the heart of a champion'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'science is the first part'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't consider the mind and its workings to be outside of science. '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'what the heart of a champion is, that is spirituality'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they are not, in a way, but the methods of actually working with the mind do not follow what we call logic'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'arent we all guilty razkin'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'cambodia, im sorry but youre offering suggestions that just literally will not work'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Who said logic is the answer to everything? We are not vulcans.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ok awesome'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'fairy tales are not the realm of govt, we all know from history what happens when the state and religon are mixed'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, I don't know if I'd say that, but I'd say that most likely we are'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'then you are much closer than I thought, which is bad for me :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we are so not vulcans that TV keeps 95% of the population quiet .. '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but either way, I dont' like this push to give the federal government more and more control'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have the first ammendment that was supposed to keep religion and the state appart'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'slow down fellas'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'anyways, the other side of the brain does have methods and ways, they just aren't analytically structured'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'lets bring order to this debate'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'what is our focus'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'this'll be interesting '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'focus is relative on this channel'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yep'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Abandonhope laughs out loud at Quelz.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia snickers with Abandonhope about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't mind what your focus is, i was starting from tax running into aims and type of government. I was kinda hoping this would stay out of religion....'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'EXACTLY Tzadkiel, but since people take a very diplomatic approach on this MUD, it is best to bring order to this'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'and that is why it flounders and becomes  a pissing contest all the time imo '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I spend half my time scrolling back to make sure I knwo what arguments are going on'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I disagree, C, it's just that we don't understand everything about everything. The brain is just a complex machine.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it is'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'truly'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'nobody has ever called me diplomatic'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'ok our debate is on govts and their approach to their governence on its people'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm diplomatic :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I am saying, there are methods to working with the brain, and they don't follow analytical principles'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'at least, with part of it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'you are Tzadkiel '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know what you mean, Cambodia'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'tax is a universal govt concept, tax has been around since govt has existed, so debating tax is a moot point'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Abandonhope snickers with Tzadkiel about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, debating how you tax isn't moot'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Give an example.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'which is why I made the comment at the start about fairness'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'OK I will try to cough one up :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we wanna do a 3 vs. 3 on a topic ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'im sorry cambodia.... but you're arguing things that arent practical to the idea of governence... you want everyone to run on their own thought process and screw a govt... you're not offering anything here'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'people want to feel like they're being taxed fairly, even if it's silly'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shouldn't have sides, tzad, that's silly'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right now quelz, I am responding to Ranrr'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the fact that our government allows this arena means that it does not completely suck'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is a classic deb format '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'anyways, ok, intuition'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i know, which is why should be avoided, tzad'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'is like a database with infinite entries, and each entry hooks to every other entry in infinite ways'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i can concur with that cambodia... first off... lets state our countries of origin, so we can at least know where people are coming from on this'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Tiggy ? I'll drop the "Tiggy if you give me a Caps T ? :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'baseball players who use lucky charms to play better'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'I am American'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is a talisman, a basic magical concept'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm Oz '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure. Nothing strange about that, and I don't see why it cannot be analyzed logically. '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'because it does not operate in an analytical way'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it is not loyal to it's method of operation to put it into an analytical framework'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure it does, it's just that you don't see it. '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no no, here is the thing'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I'm going to sit out until I see something I can lend some wisdom to, Tz'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'when you really examine how you think, you find that the analytical proof comes after the intuition'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you analyze your hunch, and find later that it makes analytical sense'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but you didn't come up with it analytically'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Ty mate - Kabbalah trained - messes with my numbers :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so to say that you did is dishonest'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes you did.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no you just saw it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'analytically proving a gut feeling is a good thing'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The brain works on multiple levels, you are not aware of all processes.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'OK someone state a basic premise and we'll start there ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'y'all have lost the idea of our debate'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'saying that your gut feeling came about from an analytical perspective is a lie'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I agree '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'order! lets pick a topic of debate and go with it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Do you have any proof for your statement, or are you just guessing?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'even if it is analytical, it doesn't work that way'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'loving that gavel action !'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'lets allow people to pick topics, and then further elaborate upon them'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'how can there be proof?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Science.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'everyone STFU'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Oi Rann n Tiggy - !'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'don't bother, quelz. that's how we roll here. unfortunately'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might struggle to direct this, Quelz, just start over and ignore those two :-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'farce '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Tigernuts... you seemed to have kicked this off... what's the direction of the debate?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'science only sees what it considers to be scientific'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'duh'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can take it where you like, Quelz, i'll follow :-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'today has been relatively sane. you haven't met dosset or chemosh yet'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'look, here is honesty, I am a detective, I have a gut feeling, a hunch that so and so did a crime, so I analyze and investigate my hunch'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it turns out to be right, and they say, how did you do it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or me pissed :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I say, it was a hunch'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is honest'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I don't say, I analyzed the crime scene, because I did not, I had a hunch, and then analyzed my hunch'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The working of the brain is a huge scientific branch. Try reading some books on the topic, and you might understand a bit more.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'm done.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'cool.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ty for the contribution Ran!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'you are correct Cambodia -- how we come up with a hypothesis is a bit unclear'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'Crick came up with the structure of DNA on an acid trip'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'he then later tested his acid trip hypothesis, like a good scientist, and it turned out to be true'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but he didn't come up with it logically'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'How can you know?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'not even that his intuition was not logical'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'what you people are debating isnt a debate any longer and it has become philosphical'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but that treating it as something logical is not how you make it work'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is more my point'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'now if y'all would like to bring the idea of debate back to the debate channel then lets do that, otherwise go discuss it elsewhere'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'philoshphical debates are valid'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well...that's what he said'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the uncontiuos works on subtle clues - body lang etc not perhaps in the contious mind but cretainly informing the brain on some level - can be studied with NLP neuro luinguistic programming imo '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'thus science ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You are using your brain for loads of things you are not aware of. Nothing spiritual about that, and definitely not outside of science.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'y'all arent debating, it's become an argument'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah true Q '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'the only thing you can study with Neurolinguistic Programming is how to use smoke, mirrors and advertising to extract money from gullable people'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well, that is true'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there's nothing wrong with the word spiritual'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'shush quelz, just because this isnt a moderated debate doen't mean it's without value... it just means your OCD suffers  ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I'm just saying, if you imagine that you are God spitting up and chewing out a guy, and it helps you box better, then being a good boxer is going with that, no matter how illogical it may be'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i dont have ocd, but you 2 arent arguing a particular point'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'except, Cambodia, where is it used as a good excuse to ignore looking at evidence'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you 2 are arguing an idea within an individual'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'control freak'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'burn ! but Q has a point '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's a bit unclear what it means. Some people use it as an excuse to sneak in religion.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'OK, I will admit that the hippie types who hate science make spirituality look really bad'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'thoughts that reside in each individual'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'arguing these points gets you nowhere'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the way I use it (which is really all I can speak for), is a way to harness the parts of you that are not logical'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'ok, if you cant beat them join them'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but ignoring logic is stupid'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'did anyone know they just found the higgs boson, that they just found a black hole billions of times larger than the sun?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'so, enjoying a really good pee after 5 pints of beer is spiritual? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'yeah well there is mathematical logic.... and then there is the logic that means you agree with me or you are stupid'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'saw that, the two are not linked however'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'quelz it is in the center of our galaxy'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'if you people really want to debate spirituality and logic, get to the nits and grits rather than pussy footing around it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'seems like a pretty broad definition of spiritual'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no they are not linked, just notes in science'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'hey that is how I see it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'spiritual is the bastard child of which ever religion that gets hold of it imo '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if believing in God gives you the strength to be a good soldier, or to save lives as a good fireman, you acknowledge that'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no person can personally grasp the size of our universe'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'IT IS IMPOSSIBLE'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and if it isn't logical, you acknowledge that'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'NO ONE IS WRONG'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'there is a big black hole in the centre of our galaxy, but the new recently discovered very large black hole is in ANOTHER galaxy'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but still...there it is'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you don't confuse it with science'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'how do you mean "grasp" -- I mean, I can describe, manipulate and generally operate with the concept of the size of our universe'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I thought they already did ? Scientology :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Abandonhope snickers with Tzadkiel about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'if you think humans, as intelligent, and as free-thinking as we are, are gonna die when our bodies cease to exist, is the most ridiculous statememnt ive ever heard.  There are so many things that we understand beyond our own understanding.... how could we not exist beyond our own external bodies?  To heck with Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, Muslim.... We're all right, we're all trying to reach the same end game'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'free thinking ?  lol'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no here is what they mean by a soul, (how I see it) of course'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'given that I'm insane I have seen things that trancend phyisics - Thats in the realm of spiritual - or just delusional '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we have a presence in this game, but who we really are extends past this place'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'you choose to believe you will not cease to exist when you die because it comforts you... nothing more'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'Cambodia, are you arguing that "intelligent" implies "immortal"'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the concept of a soul says, that our body is the same way'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'logic arguments have never proved anything'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'an instrument, part of us, but who we are really is who is operating it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'as above so below is an alchemical maxim .. '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'does anyone want to die?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'which is like a cluster of ideas and emotion that defies space and time categorization'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I have'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'people that commit suicide do'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I've already died and it was pretty easy'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'nothing to worry about'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'ah, the "really are" argument -- a pretty bad argument'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'i am made of stars'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'dump Moby Abandon :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's like saying, where does information exist?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'in the platonic realm?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no, but at the same token... how can we be here strictly for scientific reasons... it defies everything.. Nothing doesnt happen out of nothing.  2 nothings dont colide from nothing to form another nothing.  Science and Spirituality are one in the same, there are just 2 different ways of reaching the same end game'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'something like that is where the soul exists'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'moby is good, but what i said is literally true  :-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia is agreeing with that Quelz person again...
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it is'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we are!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'science and spirituality aren't the same'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'information exists like anything else'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah I know but no comic value in that :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'first off we're talking in the debate channel, so why dont why start posting more than sentence fragments and short phrases...'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'you can measure it, investigate it, even weight if you know how'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'in order to conciously debate someone you need to understand more than a sentence at a time'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'tru'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, where does mathematics exist?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'we are not here for scientific reasons.... science does not create us, or anything, science is man's pursuit of knowlege, nothing more'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'the fact that all of you are willing to argue sentence for sentence shows that you earn nothing.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'do we propose a "real deb" chann ? is not as silly as my cooking chann idea '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'this is the debate channel'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Does anyone cherish life for what it is? A gift? Not a biblical one... Not a gift from science. It's merely a gift.  Pursue all knowledge when it comes to understanding your own mortality, because in the end, only you are in control of it.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if there were moderators it would be way less fun'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'your argument, at least the way that most people take it, is that things don't happen 'just because', so there must be a higher cause.  The problem with that argument is it either ends up being reduced to faith or completely defeated by continuing the same logic'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people don't value life because they either allow themselves to be enslaved, or like to be the slave-owner'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you got it quelz'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'life is not a gift, you are here. thats it.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'not going anywhere fast though imo ? I get snippets but as an over all educational / paradigm shift tool this is not it imo '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'now if I wrote down in a book that life was a gift, would that mean that the book said it was, or that it was and that I wrote it down?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'tigernuts that's your opinion... not everyone has the same logic... the beautiful thing about being human'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we have the minds here (I am not one) but can we maximise return from the time invested ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the problem with that Quelz, is that I am not allowed to have my ideology when the others, through their ideology, impose it on me'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'the only meaning in life is meaning you choose to give to it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why lack of freedom perpetuates'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right abandonhope'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'go forth and use the time you have'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so the question is, what is the best meaning you could give to life?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'evolution imo'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'having an opinion means you offer the idea of debate'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and now that question is in the realm of spirituality'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: '"have a good time, all the time"'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'which I consider a science'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'a branch at least, like biology or physics'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'headonism was debunked years ago - many years ago .. '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'that's called cognitive science'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I am sure that it obeys your definition of Science at least Cambodia'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'see the problem with evolution is, nobody has a time machine, thats also the problem with religion  ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'cognitive science is onto it for sure'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone has a time machine, it's called living'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'cognitive science and yoga start to intersect at a certain point'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Score Tiggy !'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'well, a backwards one, lol'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'this was about american money originally and now it's a spiritual convo, you people are straying from the meaning because there are too many points being thrown around... If you want to change minds there has to be an order to debate and the sharing of ideas.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'and you don't need a time machine to find out what happened in the past'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'imposing your will and thought process on others does nothing'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'like, the methods that cognitive psychology use have much more enriched implementations in certain spiritual traditions'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Quelz I agree'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'welcome to the debate channel!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'too much gets swept under the carpet here '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'tzadkiel... lets start our own channel within a channel... where are you from?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'imposing your will does something for people who choose to give meaning to power and domination'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'well it's not working imo '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but those people die, and we secretly rejoice'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'to heck with these people... lets ask each other questions and learn'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they don't last'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok but pet hate - no caps T for name'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'where are you from and are you liberal or conservative'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I am from Australia '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'brb'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'you can't sesibly ignore those people, they run the world'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'dammit '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'why is tzads text upside down ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'does he know I'm about 45 min from not being sober ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'land downunder :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'i have choosen to give mean to alcohol this evening'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'meaning*'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I always enjoy beer'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Cheers ! whatcha drinking - vodka n homemade lemonade here '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'shots n chaser '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'crap my cat dropped a huge huntsman at my feet'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'tzad back...'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right now, steel reserve, for the drunk on a budget'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you people know that debate means that you're willing to have your mind changed?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'when your mind becomes concrete, thats when youve screwed yourself'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only in detail, quelz'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you do know, quelz, that debate channel does not follow anyone's rules?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'wb - Quelz please take my hint though ? Tz Tzad or Tzadkiel ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's messy'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'quelz say something world changing for me'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we all basically just say whatever the hell we want to'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'ill refer to you as taz lol'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you want to hear something life changing abandonhope?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ewww bad numbers mate - Tz is ur shortest option '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I can live with T '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'jesus tzad... deal with it ;)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'abandon'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'here's one:  when we finally invent flash memory with the speed of RAM, then our computers will be made entirely of RAM'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'please shock me'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'is the T silent?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and the Internet will become one huge computer that we all access'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'life is totally in hands of the user, we are a simulation'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you make your simulation'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the letter Tzaddki in hebrew is not silent '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wake up, Tz, the matrix has you'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'quelz: quoting myself: the only meaning in life is meaning you choose to give to it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you are your own god who has the power to change everything around you'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'neat, I just learned something  :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we're all our own Gods, hanging out in Heaven'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'shooting the shit'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'thats the greatest thing about life... IT'S YOURS!!!!!!!!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'into ritual magick Q? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is it, Q?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you take it where you want to'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'so i'm completely unshocked'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'anything within human capabilities is obtainable'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'did that make you want to abandon hope, Abandonhope?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'nah... i have way too much hope'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'well what the heck do you expect? this debate... a place where intelligent people debate ideas and concepts'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'one of my paintings is a string puppet holding the strings and looking shocked :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'if people are going to turn this into a channel about imposing your will upon others, then it is pointless to even talk here'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what government is to life, Q, so are you asking what the point is of living?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'who else votes quelz should be quiet ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, abandon'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'debate is not a democracy'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'that was an attempt at humor'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'who else votes that you know nothing of the governence that is upon you?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently i know more about my governance than the government does'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'humor isn't allowed on debate'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'this is serious business'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'can we sub group friend chann ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'neither is satire'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'oh shit'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'irony is frowned upon'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'or coopt rp or quote chann ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'do we have to watch language on this chan?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you can say whatever the fuck you want'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'fuck no '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'if irony and cynicism are banned i'm screwed'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm only allowed on curse channs :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'is ignorance frowned upon? because you people are doing a good job of being fucktards'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'amen'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Abandonhope pats Quelz on his head.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'taz is the only one making any sort of attempt at actually being civil'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if ignorance was not tolerated here, there wouldn't be hardly anyone around'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i tend to label my sarcasm because people seem to have difficulty spotting it and take it literally'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm being civil, if not slightly passive agressive'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you are doing a great job of pissing me off , simple request ... T '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i am new, but i like discussion and debate, and would like very much to be a force on this channel.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I am...amenable...'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but we have to all understand that there is order to debate, and turns and that if we're going to debate like adults'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I'm Dagnir's biggest fan :-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that won't happen but it is a nice thought'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'quelz there is a good quote going around i will paraphrase for you: intelligence is people who agree with us'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'we have to wait our turns, and actually create intelligible answers to the debate.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so lets do it somewhere else - I see real potential in structured deb '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir pats Quelz on his head.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'good luck with that'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well, 1) you won't be enforcing that and 2) no one will be enforcing that'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '3) dosset'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'sometimes this channel is very orderly, sometimes it's like tonight'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'get an irc channel'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: '... cambodia is the only one creating waves on purpose'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's noon!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'it's 6am here'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i disagree'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'so the debate is spirituality'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'seriously man, you are expecting a bit too much out of this channel is the thing'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'go to gossip chan if you want to just spew a whole bunch of stuff then!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'is debate'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you don't run this channel!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'debate isnt about argument'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'or, you run it as much as I do'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the exact same amount, actually'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'and neither do you, you idiotic, self-righteous, fucktard who spews things out of the mouth for a rise, and not for the sake of actually spreading intellectual thought'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ooh BURN'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'if you wont to continue to be verbally owned, just test me'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone's channel Yuna this morning...'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Oi ! respect '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'hey man empty your whole clip'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'my intelligence lvl is far beyond your 15 year old mind'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh I bet'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'did I just say that - must drink more .. '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'show me some more'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'hit me sucker'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'chase me off'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'so if you want to debate like an adult do so, but respect an order to the idea of debate, and to the idea that debate allows everyones idea to be heard'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ok flame war - get it over with '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'oh i will, and i will win'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more reports of death panels being used in the UK coming out'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'everyone's idea is heard here, dumbass'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I can't mute anyone'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and it has happened'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'straighten it out first, before you wage war, son'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'welcome to the dark side'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'not even me ... must muted on the MUD'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but yet you're doing a sufficient job of allowing your thoughts and ideas to go un-understood based on your ideas of what debate is'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's in your brain'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I type something'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'someone else types something'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and yet you see me as squelching it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'how is that?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'quelz, you're missing the point'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you want to debate, answer that one, you silly little faggot'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'OI 1 on 1 !'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'most of us know what the word debate means. however, this channel is not used for debating'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no... i got repremanded for coming down on a vet for examing the way he chooses to play his character'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's more like crazy people yelling at each other'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Dag - wanna let Tiggy's victory be a tag team event ? let him go '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'so if people were gonna come down on me for that, im going to apply the same exact force in this argument'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not interested :-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'look, you never had a weapon in this battle, you only thought you did'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'does anyone here actually desire to debate because it's actually good to learn another persons' point of view?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most won't listen, Q'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'unfortunately, no'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is what we have been doing the entire time'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'yes i want you to teach me how im wrong'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i cant have a battle of wits with an unarmed person'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'taz... are you the only logical person on this channel?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you can, and here you would lose'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'seriously, this channel is about coalitions and being the loudest'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I think Yuna wins on shouting the loudest'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'some times the craziest. especially when we have the nuts-dosset tag team here'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos screams loudly!
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no what you idiots have been doing is spamming an intellectual channel... most of you have no desire to learn, but just to further your own understanding'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yuna is smart compared to you'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'i like how tz is logical becase she agrees with q'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'nothing anyone says on this channel makes any noise at all'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'whether that be right or wrong, it is no reason for you to impose your will and ideas upon others'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeast is smart compared to you'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so what makes anyone the loudest'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'this is pretty sad imo .. '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'maybe it's your approach to debate'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'i've never been successful in a debate when I go around calling people idiots, fucktards, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'by God, people love to dog on me for saying that the mind has a science, and then you all prove that you don't know jack about your own minds'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'come on now'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'I AM SMART LISTEN TO ME'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'in fact, I usually end up getting trolled hard when that happens'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'quelz, i told you not to bother right in the beginning'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Please, Cambodia log in as November. That character deserves a trashing.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'umm... carry on'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and i guess that menas that i won debate. all of it!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'it's really sad we cant bring order to an intellectual channel, simply because our inner feelings have too much fodder to throw'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'means even'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wouldn't worry about the personal attacks, you know someone has nothing to add when they attack your person and not your ideas'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts blinks innocently at Seltsimees Dagnir.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it is, but the crowd here doesn't have mensa membership cards'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I agree, but it's hard to take someone seriously when they're calling people names'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'really it's all good, we'll cool off later on and it'll be OK'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'one problem here is there is an attitude of winners and losers, these are all subjective viewpoints'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'in fact, that tends to bring out my passive agressiveness'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'speak for yourself :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and November?  what did they do?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i friended you taz :D'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a bit like having a talk to someone, and all they can come out with "you're gay, you are"'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but, aren't you?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you're taz because you're aussie... tasmanian devils... totally aussie to me lol, we even have the cartoon lol'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I know you are but what am I?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you are rubber, i am glue'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'mummy, he hurt my feelings'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Q afford me a Taz then an we can be friends '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'ladies and gentleman... i have no desire to control any of our thoughts and ideas.  I merely want an order, and an intelligible way to respond to them so that everyone points can be understood and taken into account.... We cant expect to learn if we dont read and learn.  Am I being unfair?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You want a debate? Debate Geithner eliminating the debt ceiling'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you want to talk about then, q?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'and tell me the USA isn't slave to the fiat masters'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia called JINX before Abandonhope.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'damnit Dagnir, have you been using your summoning circle?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'fiat own ferrari'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'YAY! dosset is here :D'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos peers intently at DosseT.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir grabs some popcorn and sits back to watch the show.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir rubs his hands together in greedy anticipation.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'This is no longer the realm of "conspiring": his actual proposal is to eliminate the debt ceiling'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Abandonhope starts moaning.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'QEs be damned'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK doesn't have a debt ceiling'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'ok then... lets do this democratically'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The US "has" one, but it keeps getting propped up, as a jack props a car'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'UK can't afford a ceiling :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'er we go er we go er we go !'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you come up with any solutions, be sure to email them to the President'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abandonhope: 'this is not a democracy'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not up to the president, it's up to the congress'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'his email address is probably on the White House website'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well, you can probably mass email all of the Senators and Congresspeople on the same site'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's tantamount to saying your currency is monopoly money'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '...and it is'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'nice fiscal policy'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Abandonhope gasps in astonishment.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo it is up to the special interests that donate to the campaigns that get idiots to vote for said candidate '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yes but it is monopoly money that we believe in!  for now'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They're all shoe-ins Cambodia'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos . o O ( Did he mean shoo-ins? )
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm glad it's come full circle. What do you do about it? what about the fiscal cliff'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'anyone who has been to Acapulco knows what to do with the fiscal cliff...'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'jump'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a fiscal handglider?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Until we rid "Congress" of morally bankrupt paid-off SHOO-ins, we cannot act, only react'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'lizard people!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it seems the sheep are restless :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have an opportunity to circumvent that problem by repatriating power to the states'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Funny that people would debate that the Fed runs the money supply, until this ridiculous statement is made'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The good thing is all 50-states' wanting to secede at least awakened some floating turds on the state level'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'listen you bunch of stupid mother fuckers... This is the debate channel.  It's hard as fuck to argue sensibly when all you mother fuckers want to do is argue your own point... If you want to debate, lets ask questions, and then wait for responses... No wonder the world is fucked, because there is no order'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir shows his approval by clapping his hands together.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you dumb fucks'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I don't agree Quelz'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ask your questions, then'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'good. let the anger flow through you'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'we all want to become smarter on everything'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i asked mine!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I have a question? What was the Laker's score last night?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I like boobs'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: '... we will let one person make a point and then we will all comment on it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Lakers lost to Arsenal 3-0'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I have a question? How come people get so overexcited on a mud channel'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'stfu tiger'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'stfu dagnirt'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'stfu dagnir'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'they care ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'He's very rude isn't he? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'one of us! one of us! one of us!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'stfu anaristos, swalec'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'fuck people'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'debate is where we learn'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'This place is less think tank and more sand box'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yes! release that anger! let it flow through you!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's quiet 90% of the time, but when it rains it pours'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'get used to it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'a fellow misanthrope :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'lets learn'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'welcome to the dark side'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'no, Dagnir, anger is the path to the dark side'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'people'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'er, i thought this place /was/ the dark side'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'taz and i have been here since this hell happened'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i mean, dosset is here and all'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I think he lost the debate, he is giving his concession speech :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'taz plz pose a question'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'and hopefully we can discuss it like genltemen'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'just don't pose naked'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'it's a shift key , use it , please '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I'm a woman'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I am a girl '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'really?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '20 , you decide Snail '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'good cover, Swalec. You had me fooled...'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'dont be dicks in this channel please, we all want to learn.. And the only way to do that is understand new ideas... Dont fault someone elses' ideas because they have the same reasons for forming those same ideas'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'old enuff to bleed :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm imagining quelz as walther from the big lebowski. he'll be reaching for the gun soon'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there are no police here'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the flat chest, the adam's apple, very convincing :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia snickers with Seltsimees Dagnir about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm waiting for Tz's question'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I don't want to learn at all -- I already know everything -- I just want others to listen to me'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'ahaha dagnir... Do you want to see who i am?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '"shut the fuck up, donnie!", "am i the only one who cares about the rules?!". classic'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'please, no. Not before breakfast.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh man look, you are not going to conquer Aardwolf'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i am just as broke as the poorest americans'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'yet i voted Romney'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(it was him!)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we already guessed that :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ok, there is a debate'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you didn't fancy a free obamafone, then'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'guys I actually support what Quelz is trying to do - it makes sense imo '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'dont get fucking off topic god damn it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'elect romney?!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Cambodia'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'by the way, what is a Romney? Are you talking about the mittens?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ah dagnir, you get what it is'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'welfare income transfers now eclipse after-tax disposable income'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'debate that'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'When there's more coming out than going in'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Cambodia... what is your view on Romney?  That is a logical debate...'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'go ask the 47%'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Well, that explains Geithner'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just use a fotherfucking SHIFT key !'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Anaristos and Dosset being the first to type, have first response'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ran out of meds, Tzadkiel?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I think he is way too insane to be running this country, and a majority of people agreed with me'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'awesome'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'romney or obama?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'drinking em now .. :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'cambodia? didnt get the actual answer'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yes, let dosset speak. what was the thing with the free energy again?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'someone didn't do their homework'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'romney is batshit insane and should not (and will not) be running this country'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there is me'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'dagnir let people offer their peace'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'or peace lol'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'piece'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'let people offer their piece'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'sorry i mean to correct it to piece... lol'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I know'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'then shhh... lets debate like men! :D'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i will not accept their peace'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '.308 SLR Browinning  is my piece :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'dagnir.. dont debate here then'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Romney pluses: believes in handing powers and control of things back to the States. Loosely believes in enforcing the consitution. Romney minuses: Paid for and run by corporate interests. Fiscally incompetent.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'Dagnir is like, the only other person here who gets what debate channel is'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'are you implying that women can't debate?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(oh, and a warmonger)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i didnt'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will now wait my turn like a good little idiot until the next question'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Ohbama pros n cons ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, you were certainly implying that women debate differently'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Romney didn't learn the lesson from the Bush Sr loss to Don Quayle... wait not him, to Clinton'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'pros:  he is sane'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'obama doesnt have to worry about relection, so therefore thats scary... thats a con'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cons: he is insane'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'cons:  he is not so good at mobilizing a divided government'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Communist-raised CFR puppet would be a pretty big con'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'jesus dagnir... i didnt even know you were a woman, just debate, fuck'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts claps at DosseT's performance.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The other is a neocon businessman...CFR puppet'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Tiggy an example to back you up pls ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which, Tz?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'can i debate like a woman then?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I just fingered Dagnir :) and it said male, if dagnir is a chick then she doesn't want to be seen as one'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'not good at mobilizing a divided gov'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'which, given how women online are often treated, is understandable'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'debate because you can, i dont care whether that place between your legs holds a vagina or a dick'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't make that point, Tz, so I can't argue against it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but you wanted to debate like men'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'cambodia you're offering nothing to this debate'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'who won't we debate like womyn?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well ban me then quelz'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'shut me up, do it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you clearly are one for pushing your own agendas, and we can all see through the subterfuge'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'cons:  he is not so good at mobilizing a divided government''
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i dont care to shut you up, but if you want to keep blowing smoke up our rears ill enjoy it... it kinda tickles'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'agenda is a plural word... agendas is not a word.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'what's a cfr puppet?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'cool then I will keep doing it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'someone who is put into place by the Council of Foreign Relations'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, when your idea of reaching across the isle is, 'I'm willing to entertain new ideas, as long as they don't involve me changing mine', what do you expect Tzadkiel'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'just quit trying to force sanity on this channel and you will have a lot more fun'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a CFR puppet is someone who is a voicepiece of the Council of Foreign Relations'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'ok. how about we discuss theism vs atheism?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Listen to Secretary of War Panetta, among others, say that they do not report to Congress'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, wouldn't that cover just about every president in the last 20 years :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Oh god ..'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh man dagnir, is it that time really?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'my god refuses to debate his non-existence...'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'actually, never mind. everyone knows that atheism is the way to go. lets not debate that'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'oh, don't get me wrong, I don't think Obama is the first to do that'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I mean really?  are we going to do that?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm guessing Dagnir doesn't know what the Council of Foreign relations is, isn't willing to learn, therefore is changing the subject'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'some worship the Aithiest god of evolution ..'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'sure man, you win'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'athiesim is lazy and narcisistic, agnostics I understand. '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'really glad im not slipping into this bullshit, you people are a disgrace to the idea of higher learning'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'evolution is a scientific theory, not a philosophy'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no, nuts. lets talk about cfr. ignore the religious topic i proposed'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'and fuck most of you because you refuse to see another's idea'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'as long as you embody something good, you are cool with anyone, atheist or theist'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you're not debating, you're fucking arguing'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'personally I am a member of the Church of God the Utterly Indifferent... The god that doesn't give a damn.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'just be something that improves the world'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'history of CFR, Dosset - go'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'be heaven's Roomba'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'means you have the understanding to know that your understanding can be changed.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'man, you expected higher learning on a MUD?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'really?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I have no words for that.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'insane'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Quelz - make it happen - either a friend chann or a new chann or times where here certian rules must be observed  - think about it - a moderator perhaps ? idk - I'm insane '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is one I guess'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'naive might be another'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'optomistic would be a polite one'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'form a debate group'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i friended you'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia nods at Razkin.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'we're in the debate channel you fucking mooks'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yes we are'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you people have lost sight of the idea of debate'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'this is what it is'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Debate Dr. Oz being a piece of shit'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, you just don't understand what the debate channel is'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I do appreciate your insults, it allows me to judge you without any guilt :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'google the defintion of debate and most of you are claerly not following it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'this place is about arguing over the internet. everyone fucking loses'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I already explained to you that it's ot the channel, it's the way your'e approaching it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: '"google" is not a verb...'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'all of you can go choke on a huge big black dick, unless your tzadkiel'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you tell all of us that we aren't listening and you are the one who is not seeing what it is, even when it is right in front of your face'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'my tzadkiel what?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'google Is a verb imo '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ah, we have ignition, Huston :) Quelz is a bigot :)('
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Since DosseT has failed me: Council of Foreign Relations set up in 1921 is a public policy think tank specialising in US foreign policy. It holds considerable clout'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: '"google" has become a verb'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'true'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you people are absolute idiots'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'dammit we can be racist together - JUST USE THE FUCKING SHIFT KEY !'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well the most efficient solution would be for you to leave then'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: '"google" is a noise, an utterance, it has no meaning beyond the name of a company. It is not a part of speech, so it can't be a verb.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'either that, or embrace the chaos'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'don't leave - best idea in months here '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '1 + 100 zeroes'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you're the odd one out by our standards, quelz'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'thank you Dagnir'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'we're relatively normal compared to you'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'your words are gold'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wasn't the question originally pro's and cons of romney?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'are we going to talk about the mittens again?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'have to define romney first'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'cons:  he is not so good at mobilizing a divided government''
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'which romney should we talk about?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I thought we departed the thread here ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's like saying he's not good running on broken legs :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'google it, Anaristos '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I"m pretty sure Quelz has assured that no discussion on Romney is going to occur, Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'seriously tzad, obama has good ideas, he just can't make them work in a political reality'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sorry, I don't know what "google" is.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's the topic then?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the topic is whatever you want, as always'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'ninjas vs pirates'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I came here to amuse myself while drinking'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'or vi vs emacs'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and the drink is the one getting amused...'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'man I might as well just shut the fuck up and let Dagnir do my talking'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the relative batshit crazy TZ vs. Quelz ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i largely agree with Q, but it sure gives you an idea of whose words to give weight to....'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the guy ? makes sense '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'hey, even drinks need to be amused sometimes'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'd prefer cmosh and dosset in a ring'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I think Quelz wanted to play You are the weakest  link :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Chemosh likely has some sort of paranoia/schizoid disorder'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I'm all substance'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'lololololol'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I know, but little did he know that this channel is the playground for the insane'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'just like every channel'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the brings up the question "what kind of substance"? Will it ruin my shoes if I step on it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I can't play in goss :('
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well yeah there are rules there'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'dosset, please tell us about free energy. was it you?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Depends what's already on your shoe, Anaristos'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'gclan is like the arena, a step above the playground'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, other substances :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but yes, chemosh is proper crazy. dosset is just paranoid conspiracy freak'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but still, we say whatever the fuck we want most anywhere on here, and that's why this game is fun'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no need for personal attacks, Dag'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yeah chemosh has some real problems'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but he's one of us'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Geithner pushing to remove the debt ceiling is no longer conspiracy'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'it's established fact'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm stating a fact. not trying to insult anyone'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'People just can't stand their world views slowly being eked out'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, this channel can go from organized and thoughtful to, well, not organized and thoughtful'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, you're spouting your judgement of someone'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of someone's character'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i go to pee and shit gets even worse'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The Federal Reserve is a private banking cartel that has Americans under the yoke of the fiat dollar'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'this is not a conspiracy'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i remember you doing that earlier'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I still know him as Dru - wish he'd post more music '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'or rather is, in the literal sense: they are conspiring against YOU'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'dude'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'if you people understood debate and how it worked, then you would actually state your opinion in more than fragments and single sentences.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'chemosh knows what heavy metal is'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you have to use the proper hole, Quelz.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm an imperfect vessel, Dagnir, though I try not to -start- personal attacks'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'quelz, welcome to the fucking internet. ever visited a chat room?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you understood the debate channel, you'd shut up'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'A fuckin men |m|'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm pretty sure most of us understand debate, even if we're not going to do it in the strictest sense here'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'well then why does everyone act like an update asshole on this mud then?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'there is no cake and eat it to'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'good question'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'in all seriousness, that is a good question'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'blame Facebook, Q'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'either you follow the ideas of the mud or you dont'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you should answer it for yourself'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'because we're on the fucking internet. that's how things work here'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we already do'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'dont be so self righteous that you need to explain yourself'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'by God just listen to Dagnir'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'the idea of debate is to question yourself, not others you stupid idiots'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'debate channels has a fairly hands off approach, along with some of the other channels'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I said it a billion times already'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you have been here for 16 hours and you are defining us already? Wow'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'though we do tend to mostly discuss news and politics here, but it degrades sometimes'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'like tonight'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"the world is shit, live with it" to paraphrase. It kind of misses the point, doesn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I like the way you don't exaggerate, Cambodia.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you're confusing the definition of debate and this particular debate channel. this place is about angry arguments and name calling'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia grins evilly at SnailBot Anaristos.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Q don't wander into an established social circle and expect it to change - rather offer an alternative and have ppl join'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'vodka working , making sense '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if Lasher says it, that is what it is'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why can it not change to be something better?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you mean he should start a Quelz channel?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the rest of us are just flapping our lips'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'channel Q'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'here at least'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it can, but you have to get everyone else on board'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'form a debate group then'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'coming in and demanding it to be better isn't usually effective'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am trying to entertain myself just about the time I normally log off :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, not if you're alone in it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'anaristos you are atool'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'here on Aardwolf we call it a "friend list"'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'but if he gets a chann I want a cooking chann - MDMA n pancakes !'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's what she said  :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe it's not, Razkin, but if you come in saying "it can't be better because it's always been shit so live with it" is also ineffective'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i never tried to change the conversation to my direction'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'merely to give it actual direction'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'hey, Anaristos is a cool guy'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos goes, "SUUUUUUUURE...."
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I agree'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'in fact, a lot of things don't change because of social momentum, or simply because it's not horrible, so why take the risk'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as is demonising someone trying to do something to make it better, when in the next breadth the same protagonists are berating you for 'not doing anything to improve things''
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'fucks like you dont know how to debate and played sports in high school, or simply dont understand free-thinking'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Snails are cool now ? not on LOL cats yet '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'when you decide to quit bitching about the rules of the channel and put forward an idea worth arguing about the we will proceed from there.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and his name is awesome if you do a cliche asian pronunciation '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'actually I did take debate class in high school'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and you know what?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but see, that's the type of comments that make it break down'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'this channel ISN'T DEBATE CLASS'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is the fine point that you are missing here'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'well why doesnt your incredible, smart ass offer an idea so i can destroy it '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'everyone has had debate in HS :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but... but... it says debate on the door :\'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'when you start caling people fucktards, and idiots, and whatnot, you're not trying to bring any meaningful change to it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Tiggy sometimes I wish it was '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'just get it already and join our club'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps it should be, Cambodia'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they didn't teach debate in HS here'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it won't be tiger'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Dagnir, didn't you notice the moon cut into the wood?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'caps Camby :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the say what cut?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'people on the internet just defy logic, no other reasonining'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir claps at Quelz's performance.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'emphasis was necessary on those three words I felt'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you're starting to get it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia cheers and sings... he is just BURSTING with joy!
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'hallelujah!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Quelz, the Internet reflects it's users. Extrapolate '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'poetic licince ? I'll pay that .. this time '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'That might explain why the world is in such a pitiful state'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but the fact that y'all are acknowledging what i said, makes what i said null in void'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, Quelz, what goes on here is spontaneous. Someone wakes up mad at the world and comes here to blow off steam, and our job is to get him or her even more pissed off :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'yeah! no'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we get serious sometimes'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'none of y'all are serious'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but no one gets to dictate when that happens'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is the beauty of it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, we do. Tonight is not it.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and when we get serious, someone usually comes along and pisses on the parade'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'Right.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'all of you want to see spew mind bable without actually giving other people the time of day'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh yes you are cleansed!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol I come on and do that Snail and I get a 48 hr chann bann - on curse channs ! go figure !'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you see now!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it was a hard road but it finally paid off!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'fuck all of you, you have no more support tonight in the way of sensible debate, because there is no order.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia bows before Quelz.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir claps at Quelz's performance.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yes!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the point is that the world is currently at peace so there is nothing to debate :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'he's right though for the most part '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'man we were just trying to help him see it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i am right because i ignore biased'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ok back the other way'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only way you can do it here is direct it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'to where we all suck'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'all you children just want to be MUD trolls'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia rapidly nods twice, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that's it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir nods.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Only a fool would try to bring order into a chaotic universe :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'untrue Snail imo'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, only a fool would think that they could make it orderly'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'only idiots would involve themselves in matters outside of their understanding'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos goes ooOOooOOoo.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we're all idiots'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and so are you'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos raises his hand.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i am not'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'come on buddy'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'one more step...'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'No - I'm the token idiot !'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm sure we'll all get along if we met afk, but since we're online it's about retarded arguments and bickering'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you're the one with the name of a third world country'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'come one people'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'lets use logic here'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think you're confusing being an idiot with being disrespectful'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, do you want to debate whether you are a first or second order idiot? Or will you let us pick the rank?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh you don't know what a third world country is like'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and I do'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'quit going there'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'logic has no business on this chan'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you were so close'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'embrace your inner retard and join us!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'well im so glad i live in a 1st world once then'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I remember TWLF :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'so if you live in a third world country stfu'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'because you're not smart enough to understand'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'ok, quelz is a bigot'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'am i getting it now?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'wisest is she who knows she knows not - Aristotle - roughly :P the lesson of the Fool card in Torot'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you had it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'am i understanding the idea of debate'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'then you lost it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Bigot wins a special prize'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'im so good at it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'now you are just being a jerk'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I live in a third world country. I am a resident of The People's Republic of Santa Monica.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'quelz, do you happen to be racist? we don't seem to have any good ones'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i hate the internet with such a passion sometimes'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'sure we do'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'my vow is to bring order to the debate channel'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, he is a racist. We gave that up when he got mad :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'bad vow'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i will do it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no you won't'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'accept it'll take a while, Qu'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'seriously, you won't'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'you'll haave to change your tact if you want to meet with success'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm hurt Dag :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'not like this, anyways'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'fuck y'all'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos goes ooOOooOOoo at Quelz.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'taz i like'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'seriously, just have fun being stupid and make friends'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'sigh, it's like talking to a wall'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you could say something like "i'll civilize y'all niggers"'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'incidentally you might have power but you will be too stupid and happy to care'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, maybe there will be wedding bells in your future :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and then you will be playing the game'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'THEN FIND THE FUCKING SIFT KEY YOU MORON !'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'hey I love Tzad too'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'ok people can we slow down then? Cambodia if you really believe that, then lets actually talk like we have sense... in the debate channel... where sense is a necessity'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no it isn't'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'CAPS LOCK IS BETTER. AUTOPILOT FOR AWESOME'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'abandon sense'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'fuck sense'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'just let go. join us'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'none of us are stupid'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but it's so much fun to be dumb'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'just do it and quit worrying about what is what'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'have fun debating in the channel that i got going in this manner...'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'you sound like a crack dealer'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'hahaha raz'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '64 kg n 3/4 through a bottle of vodka - am getting to stupid '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'are you calling Quelz an strawberry?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'really though, knowing the truth means knowing how strong it really is'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sorry for the typo :> a strawberry*'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it means that what is right is right, no matter what we say'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'stfu cambodia you offer nothing... your point means nothing'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we are not hammering out the rules of reality here'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we are playing a game'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ouch man'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'nothing you've said in this debate has offered anything'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and yet I yammer on'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'by the way you talk, I will consider that a compliment :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I am SO smart!!!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'yet not'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'wait one sec there, Cambodia... Since truths are absolutes they don't have fluctuating strengths. Or rather, it is meaningless measuring their strengths.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and who are you? trying to bring in reason and making people choke on black dicks'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, what is true is true regardless'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'if you want to have a battle of wits, i am so available for it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'there is no truth, only interpretation'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I can say in a million ways that the sky is red, and yet it will be blue tomorrow'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'there are no absolutes in reality ? since truth is subjective ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'if we all agreed that the sky is red it would be in fact red'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'hard to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I cannot change that with anything that I say or do, not even close, unless I seeded the whole Earth with iron oxide dust maybe'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ok, Quelz, that sounds like a plan. We'll wait while you go find them :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'fuck the waveleghts, it's about consensus'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'que Kant . '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if we all agreed that blue was red, it would be red, only it would still be blue'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that sounds like the definition of Propaganda, Dagnir'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i just wait for you 2 to be idiots'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no, but i think i know what you're trying to say, nuts'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you can call blue "red", it wouldn't matter. Since the key is the wavelength not what we call it.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'anyways, reality is not going to budge an inch no matter what we say in this channel, on this game, on this little corner of the Internet'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thansk'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'cambodia seems like a big ole asshole, am i the only one who agrees?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so let's all get twisted aboutit'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'or, let's have fun'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I've never looked at him in that way. I like women...'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I would - IF YOU USED A FUCKING SHIFT KEY !'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's a game, right, so having fun is a better way to spend the time'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, he's not calling people idiots, fucktards, trolls, and whatever else'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'quelz, are you religious?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I know, right?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'cambodia go fuck yourself... you havent had a positive thought to add to this conversation since you joined you cock licker'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he believes in the god Quelz :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'dagnir i am spiritual, not religious'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'he sure seems to like dicks tho'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'aha! The guy is demented :) I told you so!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'catholism I smell '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i never liked that song, anyway'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'such hostility'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'We won't make fun of Qulez because he's gay, ok?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I think I will keep talking'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'hostility is fun!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'maybe he's not gay and just has a phallic fixations?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'your damn right because you stupid, non-intellectual mother fuckers want to spew un-intellectual garbage all over this channel'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'seriously, you don't get it yet, you won't shut us up no matter how much sense you think you make'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hey I'm get and racist - and an idiot - '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'just accept it already'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, are you saying that he is orally agressive?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hey I'm gay and racist - and an idiot - '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'n drunkish'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I am racist...sometimes'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you are looking for an arugment, Tsadkiel...'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and I am an idiot more of the time than I am gay'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'still both'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'it's Tzadkiel'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I guess if you arranged it in order it would be racist-idiot-gay'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's a close call, I would say, Cambodia...'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia tosses a bottle of beer at SnailBot Anaristos ... let's just hope he'll catch it!
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the RIG  syndrome :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'most of you are under 21... thats apparent'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'than you, Quelz!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I am 32 buddy'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'nor am i'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you don't know our ages'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I want to be under 21 :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'well then why the fuck are y'all acting like children'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'youth is wasted on the young'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'good question'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'because we're on the fucking internet'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'just to piss you off, Quelz :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I would investigate that one, seriously'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that's how it works. welcome'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'all i tried to do was create a logical discussion, but being a troll is so much easier'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'just like the other question I said that you should investigate, investigate them both'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I've lived a life most 40 year olds would gag at - 20 is only a phyisical marker of years not an extent of experience imo'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'is this your first time on internet chat?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'man you are like dancing on the edge of it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the thing is, Quelz, that by our definition, you are the troll.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'your approach would never create a logical discussion'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you are like -THAT- close'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i just phase out all the crap as noise, take from debate what little true talking does occur'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'which is the fourth time I've told you that, but you continue to beat your head against a wall'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i believe taz and i created an intelligible conversation that got trolled...'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and when yo' conversation gets trolled...WHO YA GONNA CALL?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'NO ONE!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'have actually said similar in tell Raz .. yeah brick wall atm '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'because of the way you chose to interact with everyone'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Focus on your frame, and ignore the noise'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'razkin... eat me'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You're giving away your power by reacting to people who act to make you react'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'see'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I think you're just trolling now'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no. you came to troll our unintelligent arguments with your "reason" and "rules"'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'say what you will, you're purposefully acting in a way to continue the type of behaviro you're trying to blast'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right, you got out-trolled :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no all of you people chose to spin everything rather than being intelligent about it, which in turn made you troll the debate chan'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'dagnir you're my hero.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'is she awesome or is she awesome?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what to you think of Cynthia McKinney, Dosset?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i was enthralled in the debate chan and everyone had to ruin it with their non-sense'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I still wanna see a one on one flame war '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It only happens because you react to it, Quelz'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'you seem like the youngest one here'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'yet im 25'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'look, there are plans, and there is reality'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ask any general'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there's a big fat difference'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'and was the only one who seemed to really wanted to debate politics'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I prefer Ali Larter, personally...'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'LOL you have 5 years on me !! stop watching TV mate '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you sound like a semiotics or philosophy student who wants to sound smart (on the internet)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it's like you seriously can't see how your behavior leads to the response you get'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'huh'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'way to word it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'its like people want to buck against the system just because they can'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'for someone who spouts off about logic, you might want to try some metacognition'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you realize this was a debate channel right?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Green Party nominee?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'is it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia peers around himself intently.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'this is a...debate channel?!  NO SHIT.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that it said debate? like politics? on the actual academy teachings'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I have never failed to be taken seriously here when I have a point I want to make. But then, I have a different approach than your, Quelz :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Cult of the Dead Cow reject perhaps ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you are veering into the realm of caricature at this point Quelz'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and i like how q started off with "i'm smarter than all y'all". one of the first things i saw him say here'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'so to say im trolling you idiots is ridiculous, im reverse trolling'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I am warning you, though you will not listen'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'not mad'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, and former democrat representative'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'heated yes'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you are backing into it... that's not a new technique, some would say that's gambling though :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'no, you come in here proclaiming your intelligence and expertise, start to name call, then get mad that people dont' debate the way you want'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you never know what you will be poked with :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and end by more name calling and acting like everyone else is stupid'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no you dumb fuck, you werent even here at the start of the debate'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in other words, you were rather childish :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'razkin go fuck someone minors' assholes.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'or rather, you are being childish :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh man you are alienating all of your supporters'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'see what i mean, you really just said that and don't see why no one is working with you'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'bad move bro'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'again with the anal penetration'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Looks like another socialist puppet for the SWPL crowd'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he has supporters? Is he an athlete?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'go fuck yourselves'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'fuck'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'q sure likes to describe and suggest gay secks'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'in fact, you just were incredibly rude to me, and I"m still not rising to it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'fuck'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well, he told all his supporters to eat a dick'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'fuck'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I get chann banned in 30 min of this sort of escalation - just telling u from experience .. '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'fuck yourselves'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so now he has no one'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but you, well, you're just a tool Quelz'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'see, you made me name call, good job'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'did you learn a new word today, Quelz?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'hey you had it a bit ago'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I told you when you had it, and then you just abandoned it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'hi'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you were so close'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'cambodia lets be friends you incredible smart young kid'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'OK!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'razkin are you cool? lets be friends'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'friend me!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'try tomorrow mate - this is a forgiving mob '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'no, I"m not cool, and I don't want to be your friend'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'anaristos you're so awesome!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'he is though'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'didn't we establish that almost all us are older than you?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I saw his lips purse, he's ready for you, Cambodia :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'man all of you have made me see the error of my logical, debating methods'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'lol you wish I was gay anaristos :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'please please, let me be a part of this elite group of incredible minds'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'you dont' pull off passive aggressiveness as well as we do'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Lead, and people follow'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we are trying!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'good try tho'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You spend too much time making sure people follow'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and we can spot a troll 50 rooms away with no nightvision :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'it's Xylis !'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you people make sure your own ideals are followed more than anything else'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yet we're not trying to force our ideals on anyone'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'yeah ok'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no one here can force anything on anyone'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'yet we're not debating any actual issue'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I have no ideals, not since about 37 minutes ago.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I am the dumbest motherfucker in the room and even I see that'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'is it not obvious?  seriously'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Snail enters MUD Zen '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I can explain it to you quelz but I can't make you understand'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no one is arguing'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, if Cambodia can see it then it has to be uber-plain :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia thanks SnailBot Anaristos heartily.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'explain to me how much you like going down on dudes'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'not at all, you'll have to find directions else where'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you will have to explain your terminology, Quelz :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'here comes the gay sex again'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'all of you are morons except taz'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'how about some rimming for a change?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what is a taz?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'it's your mom when she's tonguing my asshole'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'man quit playing with the tip and fuck it already'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'right after it has a little fart poo on it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'just drop your sanity'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we don't care'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, Starling, baby, you are back :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'my mom is dead'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'a tagh that SOMEONE THAT DOES NOT KNOW WHAT THE FUCKING SHIFT KEY FOR !!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'good, i hope that bitch rots'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh, once I got immune to hatred, I gained affection for Starling'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'her nasty words became foreplay'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'starling was awesome. i miss her'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I never really interacted with her, so I can't say'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I liked Starling. I miss her.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and I dreamed of her'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'quelz is her replacement and he sucks :('
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Long Live Starling ! She is an awesome ball of hate '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'practice makes perfect'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'same way that dosset is a shitty replacement for chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well, he is not a true sociopath like she is'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'close, but no cigar'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that kind of thing is biological, you kind of can't fake it you know?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'ahahah lets RP me... you people are idiots'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we are all trying to enlighten you Quelz'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Quelz, you're getting boring'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we really are'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but you did provide at least an hour of entertainment'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'actually a lot more than that'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it was all for the best'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'actuall meds n CBT they try n make you act like you care Camby '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the true sickos, they are missing a part of their brain though'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'Starling was, I kind of think, missing a piece'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'hey cambodia whats the higgs bozon?  how many people are on this planet?  How many chrosomes does a human have?  if you cant answer any of these question'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'eat me'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'if I can get away with it I'll kill you as quick as look at you though :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ok'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'where are you?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I want to eat you!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'like you  just said'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'boson*'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the god particle!!! duh duh duuuhhhh'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'meaning of life ..42'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'although I agree, that's a dumb name for it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a god particle'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that means that there is a god'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's just stupid media hype'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'because science'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'heh, Dagnir'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the higgs boson is one of the most elemental particles iin the universe, about 7 billion I think, 46'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, I know'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'now you eat me!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what does the higgs boson do, cambodia?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I just like calling it the God Particle to piss people off and make them explain why it's not the god particle'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'brb apparently they remade my fav movie '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'dont correct my spelling anser the fucking questions'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'answer*'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I don't know because I am not a physicist!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Human Centipede II'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Debate'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'here's one'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'if you people dont care to understand common shit, than whats the point in flaming a debate channel?  which is what ive been arguing the whole fucking time'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'what are the 7 chakras in the human body!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'come on now, since we are posing useless questions, answer mine!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'what are the seven branches of yoga?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'ive done more acid than i care to count, dont question me on my bodies on physical characteristics '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Miss Higgings' Bosom is awesome!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's an elementary particle predicted by the Standard Model by which particles have mass'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'who was Neve Campbell's friend in the first Scream movie?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i bet that acid made you so smart'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'then stfu, you proved my point'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you can't answer those questions'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: '3'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'We all need a yellow submarine...'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'u have no qualitication in talking, bc you cant offer real answers'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'then suck my cock, swallow my spooge, and then fondle my balls!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'do you see how you sound?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'how many sweaty assholes has cambodia licked? thats a good question'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'like a homophobic arrogant douchebag!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'cant fondle balls that dont exist'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you sound gross, Cambodia. My pet just decided to unfriend you :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and if you want to qualify with psychedelic drug usage, you'll lose. big tim.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'as good as any question that you've asked so far'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you have not done as many drugs as I have'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I guarantee.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no one has'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'anyways whatever'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you're right i dont smoke crack or meth'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we all tried to help you'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i actually strive to become smarter'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you do not'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is a fact, right?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'all you take is Prozac and you forgot to do it today :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'because you chose to ignore the idea of debate'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ok this is now no longer affectionate'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you should. crack helps you to lose weight and you'll make a lot of new interesting acquaintances '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'get off your high horse'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'this debate is fantastic -- I've been watching it every 15 minutes for the last hour or so -- everytime it sinks lower and lower than before'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'because you decided to become a troll because you couldnt answer the things we were talking about'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'guess what'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you have a fixation, so I conclude you are an anal retentive, Quelz :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'we're trying to find how low the bar is'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I am going to smoke, and you are going to say whatever you want to'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'welcome to debate'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you haven't gotten it yet, get it now'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'so James Cameron can go raise it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what bar? We are dragging it in the dirt atm'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no you stupid, miserable, acne covered fuck, you aren't intelligent, your mother's attempt at conception ran down her face.  You dont debate, you troll.  No wonder our existance has no hope, because people like Cambodia exist'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the bar is like the Pink Dragon, we keep chasing it, but it just keeps going lower and lower'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'How has he managed to divert all your energies'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'has anyone seen the new Red Dawn movie ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i <3 this channel'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Commie propaganda'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, Tz, don't intend to either'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'no, I don't really want to, either'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'because i have a deep desire to undermine people whose objective is to undermine'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't they change the bad guys from Chinese to North Korean?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'pure desecration - is my fav movie '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Just like the Total Recall "remake"'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'they were russian to begin with'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yah'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I won't watch that one either, and yeah, they were russian'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because Russia were the credible threat at the time, just like Chinese were the original target of the remake. Chinese government got huffy, they spent months rewriting it to Korean'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'cambodia what happened? did your thirdworld hunger grab ahold?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'go die of tainted drinking water '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's all predictive programming'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'for me they were aisan - is part of my ... makeup .. world  landscape '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'like World War Z'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'hehe. you said taint'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have they done?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'finally, peace falls upon the realm'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Dad n I watched the original sooo many times - is our ? life ? reason detra ? is sacred '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'das boot > all'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'das boot is an amazing film'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i hate so many of you'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir hugs Quelz.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Seven Samurai is also really good'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't hate any of you'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'HATE THE SHIFT KEY ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, I have better things to do than hate'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I find hate a powerfl motivator '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it can be'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'keeps me human '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh he still hates us'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so sad'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you think will happen in the face-off between Colorado & Washington states and the UN, with the Feds in the middle?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'jives me a point of reference'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but usually it involves me using a lot of energy and getting very little gain'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that's a tough one to predict tiger'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'with the drugs?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no! no more political debate'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I really hope that the states use their power under the 10th ammendment'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'or what are you talking about Tiger?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'id rather fist my own asshole'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, raz, legalisation of pot'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'one way, you could say that we do what we do, and the federales crack down'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'ok, wasn't sure if that's what you were talking about'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the other way, we do what we do, and they loosen up'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'drugs is something else I think that shoudl be state regulated'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it requires States having some balls'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'what will happen?  hard to say'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Prolly more to do with the beneficial aspects of it going against the GMO agenda of the WTO'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'no - with time it is effortless - it just flows - rolls - so much music to stimulate it and so many idiots to project it with '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the truth is, we smoked weed like we do way before there was a law'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and we'll keep doing it regardless'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'if most states adopt medical marijuana, the federales will have no choice but to do the same'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'If it's legal, no money can be made from it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Mexican president already said that Colorado and Washington states have done more to end the deaths along the border than the US government has done in the last 40 years'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'not true...someone will make money, just not the same people'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'nicotine - just diff pockets mate - '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'the perspective is from the point of the Establishment'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The last thing they want is an independent/sovereign private sector not under their influence'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I think the smart move is to loosen up'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but of course I am a dumb faggot dipshit'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I think it'll be interesting to watch how they handle all the current court cases'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'can anyone say they are ready for a partisan war ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It is the smart move'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'which is why they're cracking down'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'so far they've said they're oging to stop prosecutting them'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but we'll see what'll happen'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well the real reason that they want stuff illegal is so that they (the elites) can make more money off it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'How dare free markets try to arise'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'might lessen the load on the jails if they did'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the fact that states are legalizing means that they have already lost'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well yeah'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not true, cambodia'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Fewer people in jail are fewer phantoms with which to terrorize the threat'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends what happens NEXY'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err next'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'in fact, most of the raids, at least from what I've read, have been on farms/distributors that have posted profits'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '...chain reaction..the whole edifice crumbles'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right right'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Raids? They're raiding organic gardens now'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'not drugs'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Not eating GMOs?  Raid'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'DosseT is right'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo legalization of dope is ineviatable for the western word - wanna numb the slow decay - '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we'll legalize, and we won't turn into the cartoonish hell that they try to portray, they will look dumb, the federal government will eventually legalize across the US, we will get saner, hallelujah'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the EPA are infiltrated by the likes of Montsanto and other very large corporate drug and agriculture companies'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'please dont call it dope'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I was reading that when the feds go in, they're usually going in because in the states that are legal, it's suppose to be non-profit'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I call it dope with good reason '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's also the staties doing the raids'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'dope is crack, meth..'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'organic farms are supposed to be non-profit, Razkin?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I like to practice drums when I smoke weed'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'hard drugs... pot is not dope, cops call it though'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'no, the farms that grow the marijuana'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's good sometimes'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'not the gmos :D'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'really meth is the worst drug out there'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'or the organics'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Ive tried Crack a few times - was monsterous what the rolling psychotic mind can justify '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'cocaine and heroin are two sides of the orgasm'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'once that is understood they make sense'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'stfu if you havent taken these drugs'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I have'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so I will...keep talking!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'meth binges are just as bad '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'knowing what sort of physical damage they can cause, i wouldn't want to take 'em, but I want to see them decriminalised'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the only thing I know about meth is everytime we go to my wife's family's town, some motel has burned down because of some meth lab'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'coke is a chump drug - '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what people shove in their bodies is their business'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'cambodia is a troll.. gather this already, and then ignore him'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there are better ways to deal with them'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'let them make the decision son'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'certain drugs offer certain things'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that is why sane, intelligent individuals take them'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there is an ignore switch, they can all ignore me if they choose'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh yes, heroin has a lot to offer, not a joke, it really does'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I've only ever put one person on ignore, here'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'yeah, but it's fun hearing the dumb shit you have to offer, and how unfounded, and how self-winded it is'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it is like being imprisoned in a 5 star hotel'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'll agree opium - not heroin Tig'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'acid is the only drug you should do other than marijuana if you hope to understand anything'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'well acid or dmt'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I prefer mushrooms myself'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but DMT isnt readily avaible'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I've actually never done drugs, the closest thing for me was Vicodin, so I can't really speak to being on them'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shrooms scared me witless when i tried em'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and I have done ayahuasca and san pedro ceremony'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i have plenty of dmt in my freezer'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'my brother on the other hand....'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'pot, shrooms, acid, dmt are the only drugs that truly offer a temporary increase in mental capacity'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'LSD is nothing compared to a guided tour on mescaline imo'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'true'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'also, you forgot mescaline, psilocin and salviorin, noob'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I think he's done all the drugs I've chosen not too'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll stick to what i know, and what is naturally occuring :-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i can no longer hanlde idiocy'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'getting high on life? :D'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'goodnight all'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'cocaine and heroin mixed (speedball) is the ultimate in a drug, meaning a substance offering a temporary relief'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'night'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'later!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'fuck you very much cambodia lol'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'make sure you come back to the dark side'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'fuck you too!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the heroin opium deb - Crowley said it best "when I am alive and you arewwalive we can be friends , if you kill me ( ie making opium into heroin) you are asking for trouble" '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I think Burroughs said it best when he said, "If God made anything better, He kept it for Himself."'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'man that guy, what a trip, right?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'hardest thing I do is whiskey, though I don't even do that anymore'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'alcohol is a horrid drug'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'legal though'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's a good band aid though'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and I mean that not just as in the bandage sense, but the playing music sense as well'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i have an impressive psychedelic collection at home. haven't touched anything in 2 years now'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dumat: '8o'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I never quit got to the level of alcoholic, but I was drinking too much, so I stopped drinking'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I do ehthanol and thorazine n mogadon - 2 by prescription - with varying degrees of sucess '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'mushrooms are closer to it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'LSD is a toy, mushrooms are close, mescaline/San Pedro is real, ayahuasca is really real'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I use ethanol to increase the efficacy of the mogadon'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I say go with the mushrooms but that is me'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'shrooms here, too'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'mescaline - butane extraction process is IT darkroom even though never gone that far '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'easiest way to do mescaline is to buy a San Pedro cactus, chop it into pieces, stew and strain'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'then cook off the water and drink'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is so rare in Oz you get a guided tour when you use it , and owe a favour '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'here in the US at least, you can own a San Pedro as a decorative cactus plant, and there is no problem'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'seems to me there's a few other plants like that'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'here's what i'm growing - http://i.imgur.com/5leN4.jpg'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I just can't remember exactly which ones'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you can own a full auto AK in the US as I am lead to believe - Oz is a nanny state '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'like distilling, having a still is no crime, having mash is no crime, distilling the mash is a crime, same with the cactus...owning it is no crime, making medicine out of it is a crime'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no you cannot, not legally'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'full auto weapons are illegal here'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/plants/news-5-legal-plants-can-illegally-get-you-high?image=0'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can own a semi-auto AK there'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'full auto weapons are not sold here, they are a crime here, however you can easily modify a semi auto AK to be fully auto, but then it is criminal'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'LOL compared the the BS I have to go through here full auto is tantemount to legal over ther eimo'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you can own a semi auto lots of things here'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all weapons are largely illegal here'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'including knives'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I use a trigger bucker with an illegal semi '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'how do they decide if a knife is a weapon?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'length of blade, and whether it's outside or not, Raz'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'depends on how long it is and whether it has a substantial secondary usage'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'so if I took a butcher knife outside, it's a weapon?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'and also what you do with it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'wtf'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'outside and off your property, yes'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'chefs can carry tools of a trade - I'm enrolled in tafe for cooking .. '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even a carving knife taken off your property is illegal'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'if you walk into a pub on friday night, then yes, if you are a butcher on call, then no'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I mean, I get it, if I walked into a store wielding a butcher knife, I'd expect to make people nervous'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'air rifles are regulated to uselessness, and only shotguns are allowed with license, reason, and lots of hoops'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'what if I had a really small piece of metal but it was really really sharp?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'likewise, if you walk into a pub with a chain saw, you are going to go to prison'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but I'd be afraid that if I was bringing a knife over to my mother's place, and ogt pulled over, they'd all be like 'you have a weapon!''
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably illegal, cambodia'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'if it has been adapted for use as a weapon then it counts as such'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ok just checking'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'am learning Krav Maga - in a year or so I'm gonna be lethal lil bunny with just me as the weapon'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'if not, then no -- so keys are not a weapon --sharpened keys are'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm too lazy to learn that'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'here in America, a shotgun is more a tool than a weapon'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so those are almost always acquirable'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'though I always wanted to learn that Russian military fighting style'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'your homicide rates do not support that Cambodia:'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'sambo or something like that, can't quite remember'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yeah America is full of retards'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I grew up in outback Oz - yeah same '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '? is Isreal not Russia'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the point is, a shotgun is a hunting weapon, and a pistol is not, that is sort of how we divide it when you go to buy a firearm at the store :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'in the UK, a shotgun is also a tool, while a sawn off shotgun is going to get you arrested'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Krav Maga is the isreal one'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'because when you saw it off it is not what it was'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'sec, I'll look up the one I"m thinking of'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'correct Raz'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the status quo is probably OK in the UK, but it's only OK because there hasn't been any major disruptions to society since they were banned'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the IRA is quiet over there ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'IRA gave up armed conflict and went into politics a decade ago'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Adams ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'part of the Northern Ireland Assembly (devolved government)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'only heard legend stories never kept up with the conflict '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you realise that Americans were the funders of the IRA during the 70s and 80s'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'and 90's'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'American government didn't do shit about it until their paid-off arabian goons were convinced to turn on them'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the rest is history'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it's sambo, had to look'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'now you have the point - shoot '
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'though the russian systema also looks pretty nifty'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'sorry, took me a few minutes to find it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no point, only history: USA is not alone in supporting and using terrorist groups abroad as one method of enacting foreign policy'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '9/11 was a part of that, libya is part of that, syria is part of that, iraq was part of th at'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and now we're back where we were'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's comforting'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it's the danger of chosing the lesser of two evils'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it'll continue because people are stupid enough to buy into government propoganda, and the propoganda of governance itself'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll take the qr's at 6.75'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just sell one each'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'you spend too much time on debate tiger :D'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no you guys don't make any sense is the problem'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it's been awhile since I've been sworn at that much'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that guy was heated'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you get used to it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'words on a screen man'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I actually think he was trolling'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'has it stopped?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no I think he really didn't know'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'he''
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, sorry Swalec'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I thought it was going on till tomorrow'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'he's gone'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'reaction to frustration'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'damn, I missed the end?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'what happened?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'who won?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'he reminded me of my mother in law'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no one :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'oh dear, so was it all a waste of time then?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'she's down right rude, will yell at my wife, then if my wife yells back, she acts shocked , and doesn't understand why people are mad at her'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'when is the re-match?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'no one won, but the bar definately lost'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'next time he logs on'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, I still think he was trolling'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'or isn't mentally ok'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if he was trolling he was a zen master I say'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he was trolling about 1/3 of the way in'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I think he really didn't know the Internet'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is more plausible to me than us all getting trolled by a master of the art'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, boredom might have had something to do with it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but you know...it's hard to say at that level, right?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'kind of blood in the water type thing'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, it could also be immaturity, but I guess we'll never really know'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'funny how much he hated me'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I do know he was kind of riling up gossip earlier'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'so I wasn't really surprised when he came on debate'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'either way, it was better than what was on t.v.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh yeah it was good times'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I got my money's worth for sure'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'either way, it was better than what was on t.v.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'whoops'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'true'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'heh, I hit the up arrow :D'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it was though'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you can't buy that kind of fun'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, we'll see if he comes back'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'his long term behavior will really tell if he's a troll or not'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I bet he will have at least one more rematch in him'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I really think he is just naive about the Internet'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, then he's not 25 :D'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if he were a troll he would have cracked at some point'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, I bet he was all thinking he could find some sort of sanctuary here'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'when this game is nothing of the sort, really'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, but it's all in how you express yourself'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I mean, I don't agree with everyone, but I dont' just dismiss them and call them names, then explain how I"m so smart'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we're all smart, really'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the art is in how you come across, like you said'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'in fact, if someone wants to have a real discussion, i'm more than happy to do that'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it happens on here'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, but when it doesn't, you don't force it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'sometimes, that guy was just uptight though'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'of course'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it's not the high school debate team, i'm not going to ding a bell once I've said my point'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'dude, you log on here to have fun, you have fun, you play for fun, you convo for fun, you friend for fun, this game is for fun'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'fun'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I agree'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you try to force it, you look like a fucking fool'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'this just isn't the place for that'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I mean, if this were someone else's website, where there were rules posted about debating, and you got banned for not following them, then maybe there would be ground'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but this is a game, we do have debates on here, but if we are fucking with you then you don't get to order us around'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'so yeah, he didn't get it, he like...almost did at one point or maybe two, but he lost it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, I think Lasher has set the rules for the channels fairly well, i behave on the channels i"m suppose to, and don't get upset on the ones he doesn't monitor'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'anyway, still it was better than TV'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'Lasher knows what to fuck with and what not to fuck with'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'better than anyone I've ever seen'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'ever, he is a genius'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, you can pick how no-holds-barred you want to go by which channels you participate in'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you want to pick a fight you join a clan and go on gclan'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'gclan is the true throwdown channel'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and I like the fact that there's some clean channels out there, but I also like the fact that I can speak my mind here and not have to parse words if it's not needed'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you are not even put together enough for a debate, you can always go to curse'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'curse is the one channel I never shut off'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'curse is the one channel that caused me to ignore someone :D'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but I don't turn it off either'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I also , obviously, don't have any experience with gclan'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I have some'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I haven't even really decided if I want to get into the clan part of aard'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you really think you are an artist of smack talk, join a clan, and try gclan'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you will see just how good you are at smack talk'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm not that good, I'm pretty good at ignoring it though'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Andurien chuckles at Razkin's joke.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'my wife has issues, I mean, I'm fairly conservative, but she has problems'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'gclan is where you prove it though'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what sort of problems? political problems?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'she's asleep right now, and someone on fox news said something about obama, and all I hear her say is 'fuck that bastard' then she started snoring again'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not a problem though, surely?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Andurien rolls his eyes in disgust at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'she has a level of hate for him that kind of scares me'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's funny, the US government was created to have a sort of inertia that precludes presidential sabotage'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'two possible reasons for that: a) she is someone that gives into hate readily, or b) she realises exactly what he is and what he represents'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I mean, i've never woken up specifically to tell someone to fuck off, then go back to sleep'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'she works with special needs children, and is incredibly patient, I have a hard time seeing her give into hate'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and Obama is not even close to the guy who will or can ruin America'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, so it's an outlet for her'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'her patience is the only reason she married me'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'that's what I'm kind of thinking'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia is agreeing with that Tigernuts person again...
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'better him than me, though'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well Obama is the frontman who takes the fall for the powers that run him'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'thank you tiger!'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'then explain susan rice'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'condascending rice?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'she's the front man for the front man?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'our country is not a dictatorship'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'most women need patience to marry and stay married to men'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'many people run it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a tyranny'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'no, but I think she's taking the fall, at least in part for other people'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'because we suck andurien'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we are impossible beings who are very difficult to deal with'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I just saw on t.v. that only about 51% of adults are married in the u.s.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it was like 71% in the 70's'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'unlike women, who are totally sane all of the time, and take no patience to live with'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'is that sarcasm?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I don't know'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'is it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'listen to those words and tell me what it is'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'll wake my wife up and have her read them to me'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'If the American people ever allow private banks to controll the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered... I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and resotred to the people, to whom it properly belongs.'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'she will probably agree wholeheartedly'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now name the author of that quote :-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'then you will laugh in her face and know what it is'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'alan greenspan?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mea Culpable: 'Thomas Jefferson'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts boggles at the concept.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thankyou Culpable'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right, the capitalization at least speaks of an older author'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I just saw inflation and said alan greenspan'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'i just know that in my relationship, and in the majority of them that I've witnessed, the woman is the more patient of the two most of the time'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's different for everyone'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but really, no sarcasm here, we are all insane'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'all of us'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'speak for yourself'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'oh no, I'm definately the more impatient one'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'finding someone who likes our insanity is a blessing'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and if jefferson is right, why do we have a federal reserve?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Paul Warburg'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because people were asleep and allowed them'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I mean, is't that basically what they do?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Yes'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you think men are actually stupid then you deserve what you get'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The Fed is not the government'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'right, it's a bank, and a private one at that'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I would never think women are dumb'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'So we have a private bank controlling fiscal/monetary policy'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'meh, some are dumb, some are not'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It bails out its masters, and collapses markets as necessary'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Guess what the IMF is'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'private bank that is immune to all sovereign regulation?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I've never understood the role of the IMF, though'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'just replace "markets" with "countries"'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pays no taxes, answers to nobody'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'like there's things that I understand, but I'll admit, there's thing I just dont' know a lot about, and the IMF is something that I don't know much about'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'IMF/WHO/WTO are all one world governments'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'elements of it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'and people relegate it to "conspiracy"'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's there in your face'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but they can only have as much power as is turned over to them, but it's power that would have to be turned over by the governments themselves'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and who runs those organisation? (going by the raplist of the people at the top?) JP Morgan Chase, Goldman Sachs'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Andurien grabs some popcorn and sits back to watch the show.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They just politically/economically gangster countries that don't listen into subservience'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who did Italy's PM work for? Goldman Sachs, who does Greece's PM work for? Goldman Sachs, who did the new governor of the bank of England work for? Goldman Sachs'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The best one is how GMOs are being run by the WTO, not the WHO'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'how is that handbasket?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the one we are all going to hell in'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'is it nice?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it's warm'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'do they serve drinks?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if they charge extra for drinks, I will bitch, but then I will probably get one anyway'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it is warm though'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I've read a bunch of op eds lately how humans seem to be almost pre-disposed to socialism, in that they want to hand the responsibility over to someone else'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I mean, I know that's always something that's been said, but still'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no look guys'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I will drop it now'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it seems to be coming up a lot lately in op eds and othe rarticles'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Sounds more like Milgram conformity'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'here is an elemental truth about humanity'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we are thinking creatures built on animals'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and what we crave the most is to NOT HAVE TO THINK'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'People are beginning to fish their collective nuts from the purses in which they dwell'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'because thinking is Painful'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and being an animal is pleasurable'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'being conscious is like sticking nails in yourself over and over'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Our educational system, developed by the Rockefellers, is fashioned to create cogs for the wheel'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'it's not natural that it occur'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but the joke is, you say, only a fool would do that, but only fools don't do it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we're not natural'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we are aberrations'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's why we have a limbic brain, but also a rational one'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if there was a choice, how many people do you think would just be animals? like apes'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'the primal is delegated to the limbic'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I say, a majority for sure'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'being truly human, embracing that kind of eternal pain, is not sane, yet the sanest people are the ones who do it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, life is easier when you turn it over to someone else'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'maybe not better, but easier'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'this paradox is at the heart of the human struggle'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'humans are meant to endure'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'animals and other beings with theory of mind don't engage in schadenfreude and angst'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'god yes, everyone has it subconsciously, and then someone comes along with the will to embrace that pain and get off on enslaving people who want someone else to take their pain away, not even knowing what that pain means'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is just the surface of it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'No One Wants To Think'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'Everyone Wants To Fuck'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there is the human condition'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'simple'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's because we live in a pharmacologically-induced stupor'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'not wanting to think is that status quo, but is a far cry from our roots'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the most powerful statement there is that Everyone Wants To Fuck'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is the rule you exploit for power'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'even the brain becomes inured of that dopamine release'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh if you are intelligent you see through it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but who is intelligent?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if every person was a heroin addict, who would quit voluntarily?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'think of it that way, because that is what most people are'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts raises his hand.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no I am not saying that everyone is a wuss'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I don't think that you are'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry, i have a questioning mind, i want to know why stuff'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most people stopped asking why when they were 3, i didn't start until i was 30'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'me too, I quit also'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The better question is if everyone were a heroin addict, who would be aware of their heroin addiction?'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia nods at DosseT.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there is the proper train of thought'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'we're not all addicts, so to speak'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'oh most of us are'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'just not to heroin'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'As Plato said, it is noblesse oblige to return to the cave'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'heroin just illustrates it in a baldfaced way that scares most people who would be junkies if they tasted heroin'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is what it is'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I hate to be a party pooper, but I think I"m going to go take a nap'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'hey you've been good'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I don't mind'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia pours a steaming hot cup of coffee and gives it to Razkin.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, didn't want to just disappear'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'We haven't yet all been assimilated to the point that we cannot recognize our bondage, to heroin or otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'll see ya guys later'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no but that is what scares people with opiates'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I'd say it has less to do with opiates, and more to do with the person'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'lots of people work because they feel pleasure at doing their job well, which is good'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but if you come to the point where it becomes, the pleasure or the job, most people are not very well equipped to even make that decision'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it is a scary place that only ex junkies have to face, or Aron Ralston'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'we created a culture of quick-shot pleasure'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'all you need to do is check your Facebook or tweets and your dopamine/seratonin is goo'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'd'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Camby revisit the BS heroim BSA u are pedaling tomorrow :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'hey man, heroin addiction sums a sadly large portion of human life up, sometimes'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'heroin is just proxy for dopamine release'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'humans just like pleasurable things'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I always say, homosexuals and ex junkies, both know what it means to have courage to face your life'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'most pleasurable things are ego/id based'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and the system works because people don't taste the pure form of pleasure'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'technically, seratonin and dopamine are the only two things we enjoy'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is why heroin ruins it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but being able to dissociate your own responses from what actually is, on that level, is something that most people not only won't do, but won't even want to consider what it is like'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is what I mean, if we evolve a bit past there, then we will be human'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'until then, we are animals with consciousness reluctantly grafted onto us'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and as long as we wear awareness reluctantly, anyone who proposes a solution that involves being happy and unaware can come right along and hook us all'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is how every dictator gets power'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Big Pharm and the failure of the education system are culprit'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it is our nature that allows them to take control'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is what is sad'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'smoke'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Only because we're not taught to engage it ourselves'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we are'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but no one likes doing it'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'more fun to be walking genitals'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'more fun to do drugs'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'more fun to not think'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Mayhap in the short-term; humans are restless beings, and only in bondage are they otherwise kept'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'that's why they go for you early'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'before I leave I will say this'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I hope humanity proves that all wrong'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'losing that bet would make me happy'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'let's have the courage to be awake'
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Andurien nods at Holiday in Cambodia.
T3/r7/2012-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and peace be on all of you'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Rules !'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, she amended your father with a bris millah knife :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, apparently UK schools have been indoctrinating kids into falsely believing that the 'purpose' of tax is to redistribute money from the wealthy to the poor'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK home secretary was whinging today at all the political weight against her "Communications Bill" that would give police the power to snoop on internet traffic, and force ISP's to record all traffic for 12 months'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hilary to run for president in 2016 - boy are YOU guys lucky :-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Manipulative: 'At least the concept of a female puppet is interesting.'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though she's probably crazier than GW Bush'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Manipulative: 'no kidding!'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i never saw GW laughing his head off at reports of innocent people being killed in Pakistan at the hands of American drones'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Manipulative: 'Yeah, I saw that... really charming. If you look into her history it is pretty darn creepy.'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently Rand Paul will run in 2016, too'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'trouble is he's a sellout'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Manipulative: 'sad but true'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Manipulative: 'though I think that is a requirement for running'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does seem that way, doesn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess you have to sell your soul to the company store to let them run on your ticket'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Reserve Officer Training Corps tutor castigated for stating his opposition to same-sex relationships during a class discussion'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'My wife isn't allowed to bring candy canes to work b/c some people don't celebrate Christmas and it might offend them. Beat that'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Manipulative: 'haha wow'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, i've seen that before'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's reguarly just called "the holiday season" here rather than christmas'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the restaurant our works meal is at this year is serving for dessert "festive pudding"'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Manipulative: 'I do not celebrate (anything) christmas and I still think that is insane.'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'well that's expected today. But candy canes? I don't get it'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'You gotta follow the platinum rule these days: Do to other people as they want you to do to them'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those people who come up with decisions like that should be sued for flouting freedom of religion laws'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'That applies only to governments...only gov'ts can't stop you from practicing religion, speaking, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I can tell you to shut up all day'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US government cannot'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK government cannot'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'yeah I don't know what the brit's do'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though it sort of can'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Manipulative: 'bullet to the head shuts anyone u'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Manipulative: 'p'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends how much of a turd the bought-off judiciary are feels at the time'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK has so many laws, they could prosecute you pretty much for anything on a whim'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a new study today shows that average 1-earner family households here get taxed at more than double the average EU rate, paying on average 73% tax'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tbh, it's a questionable study, but rates of 50-60% are pretty common on hard working families and working men(or women) without kids'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no wonder UK has been rated as one of the worst places to live if you're an aspirational young worker'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Manipulative: 'sick sad world'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, Thyroid disorders are spiking among children in Japan'
T3/r7/2012-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sensitive nuclear documents, many relating to Israel have been stolen off hacked IAEA computers'
T3/r7/2012-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the banking elite that rule my country have announced further austerity and tax rises'
T3/r7/2012-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"joy"'
T3/r7/2012-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chisato: 'where are you from tigernuts?'
T3/r7/2012-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eUK'
T3/r7/2012-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol, Egypt president flees palace'
T3/r7/2012-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not surprised given the protests that the piece of shit he calls a constitution that he drafted'
T3/r7/2012-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like the democrips are pissing and moaning again because their opposite numbers are trying to improve their bills, classifying attempts to ammend a bill as "fillibustering"'
T3/r7/2012-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'smells like desperation to me'
T3/r7/2012-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Hungry Windigo: 'democrips?'
T3/r7/2012-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2012-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Hungry Windigo: 'is that some obscure UK party'
T3/r7/2012-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, the US Democrat party'
T3/r7/2012-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Hungry Windigo: 'yes, the clever mispellings I always enjoy'
T3/r7/2012-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well they are a gang...'
T3/r7/2012-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyhew, they were cries of foul because they wanted an amendment to the defense-spending bill so that veterans deems 'mentally incompetent' to own a gun have their cases adjudicated by a judge rather than the Department of Veterans Affairs'
T3/r7/2012-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"My administration," President Obama wrote on his first day in office, "is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in government."'
T3/r7/2012-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'strange then that he won't even allow Congress to read his cyber-security legislation'
T3/r7/2012-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'strange that he writes executive orders on new years eve (NDAA)......after saying he wouldn't even support such a bill'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hope the NRA sues that NFL scumbag'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"I believe the NRA is the new KKK" said Mr Costas'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Von Braun worked for NASA'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I know who Von Braun is '
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Save a Rezit: 'if they are still nazis, whose de fuhrer now?'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '$'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'USA figured that they'll take a short-cut in their own research on rockets and capture Von Braun.'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There may or may not still be "nazis", the point is that their legacy persists'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'walt disney'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Japan/China prolly committed the worst acts against humanity, but the Nazi legacy is here today'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that's why he was frozen in the first place'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Save a Rezit: '20 years from now, there won't be any legacy left'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Prescott Bush funded the Nazis, Paul Warburg did'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'loads of Nazi scientists and politicians were 'moved' to the USA after WW2. Many ended up in positions in government, CIA setup etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Rezit, our Federal Reserve fractional reserve banking system was created by the Nazi financier Paul Warburg'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I've only experienced Nazi culture on a homespun level - gangs - how does this eminate further up the functional tree ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Our "celebrities" and "supersoldiers" (black ops, delta force) are products of Mengele's MKULTRA ritual based programming'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Their legacy is everywhere'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The Muslim Brotherhood was essentially started and fostered by Nazi ideology'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the biggest legacy'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'google celebrity MKULTRA (Project Monarch), and supersoldier MKULTRA (Project Camelot)'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't google it, startpage it'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Save a Rezit: 'if i google it, they'll find me'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'google don't pay theit taxes'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'their*'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'startpage returns google results, but since it isn't recording your IP, you're denying Google the opportunity to make money out of selling your search profiles'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though not denying the webpages and Google from making money from click-thru's'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'call it 'an ethical approach to searching''
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Wernher Von Braun, Paul Warburg, and Mengele aren't crackpot'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Yahoo and Bing do the same thing, but I'm singling out Google because they don't pay their taxes, which means -I- have to pay more'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why is it USA have the CIA, but are now spending billions creating a sister-spy network within the Pentagon?'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'if only way we could all keep on one thread - pool our collective smarts and Prove something that was only supposed before - Id settle for beyond the bounds of possibility as negation ? if only ... Oh what a chann that would be '
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hint hint'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Can't make someone do something, which includes learning'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '"I can, I do" is particularly applicable'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we must change this  on this chan at least imo'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's just not an interest for most'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'learning that is, about anything in particular'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'it is for me - tbh is one of 3 reasons I'm here '
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I think that's what Quelz was not-so-eloquently lamenting the other day'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The death of the curious mind'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Well, more power to you'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'closing window for higher thought - interesting to meet you Doss - I hope we taalk again '
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'According to a PPP poll, 49% of Republicans think ACORN stole the election for Obama, which is rich since ACORN hasn't existed for over 2 years now.'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stats can be used to prove anything'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since both parties have committed voter fraud in the past, it's in the interests of the people to have an entirely transparent voting system administered at the lowest level possible'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'counter-intuitively, a lot of lessons can be learned from Venezuela'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is a fairly telling interview, though nothing I haven't heard before:'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://rt.com/usa/news/surveillance-spying-e-mail-citizens-178/'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and if you're interested in health issues: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505269_162-57505149/modern-wheat-a-perfect-chronic-poison-doctor-says/'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, I heard about the e-mail thing a week or so ago, it amazes me that there hasn't been more of an outcry'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'never is'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK government is getting some flack over a bill they're trying to put through to force ISP's to keep stuff for a year and allow cops access, and rightly so'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only hope we can block it'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US are already doing it on a huge level, just trying to legalise it so they don't have to keep it secret'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you guys are going to have to face up to it and do something about it'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we're waiting to see what the Dutch do'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there, they're trying to make it so that the law can raid foreign computers, too.'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'for whatever reason, I don't think people see this activities as a large encroachment on their privacy, it's the only thing I can think of'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you're not doing anything wrong then what's to hide?'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'also, government is a goodly entity designed to help us with all our needs and so there can't possibly be any bad people in government.'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'do I detect a hint of sarcasm in your statements?'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I live in Illinois, I've never seen goodly and government in the same sentence, well, unless the word steal or embezzled is also in it'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nope, no ssarcam here.'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: '-.- , I trust you not'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think the key thing there is in the article: "It's not up to you what is "wrong", it's up to the government"'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I knew I shouldn't have disguised my z's...'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the government decides what is wrong, and quite often that can be anything you like, regardless of whether it's actually wrong or not'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"having an opinion contrary to their policy" is wrong according to many governments, including China, N.Korea, UK and the USA'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've seen the army and police training manuals....'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'not sure what exactly you're refering too'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well let's see'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.aclu.org/images/general/asset_upload_file89_39820.pdf'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.aclu.org/images/general/asset_upload_file89_39820.pdf'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://publicintelligence.net/slatt-terrorism-training/'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those'll keep you busy while i go play some hl2 :-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've seen other crazy sources, such as videos of police training courses that teach that the founding fathers were terrorists, professors saying that Stalin never killed anyone'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'etc etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now you've got that NFL commentator saying that the NRA are the modern day KKK'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and gun owners are racist because they black people to kill each other'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all kinds of bonkers liberal shit'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the nra is pretty nuts tho'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'they can be, but over all, I agree with them'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I also don't think that Bob Costas used the correct medium to espouse those particular views'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you agree on guns being awesome or what?'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'because i don't buy the bullshit that someone is after the 2nd amendment'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, as far as them being awesome, I don't own one, so...'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but I don't think that going after gun ownership will solve anything'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'who exactly is going after gun ownership?'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'o.O'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'small vocal fringe groups don't count'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ultimately, the UN and the Democrats are going after gun ownership'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'examples, please'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is a concerted effort to try and twist the 2nd ammendment, and an attempt to spin gun ownership culture in a certain light'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, go ahead, link me something that isn't fox news'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an example is Obama in campaign speeches linking the second ammendment to hunting'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm searching at the moment, to see who's posited what'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'calls by Obama before and during the election to ban semi-automatics'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the UN small arms treaty'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Piers Morgan'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oh, can you quote that?'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'most of the UN members are from countries run by corrupt leaders that want to disarm and suppress the populace so they may continue being even more corrupt'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have an Interweb, go read it'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'btw, why doesn't anyone complain about the 4th?'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they do'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but the 4th has already been totally destroyed'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the 2nd is the backstop'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'without the 2nd, you're screwed'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'they sure aren't as vocal about it. the issue that's actually real'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'how come? do you really think that it enables people to "rise up" against tyranny?'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's been done before'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'even if it did, the uprising is due long time ago'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yeah, when they were using fucking muskets'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_obama.html  it's definately a site with an agenda, but they link a bunch of other sites, including government ones, that have laws dealing with gun control and potential gun bans'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess you'll get to find out'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'of course, with just 5 minutes or so of reading, I didn't really get to explore the whole site'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'how about an un-biased source that quotes things in context? any reputable news organization saying that obama is against the 2nd?'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'watch obama's campaign speeches'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I"m not sure you're going to find an un-biased source'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any source is going to be biased'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's kinda the point of media'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i skimmed over that site and all i see is that he's calling for registration of firearms'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'what's wrong with registering your guns?'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'like I said, I didn't go over it all, but I also saw support for local gun bans, limiting semi-automatics (which I do actually agree with), conceal and carry, and a few others'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I don't have a problem with registering your guns'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I think it's a good idea, but it won't combat most gun crime'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't have a specific problem with registering guns, except governments putting unfair prequisites on it, and then harassing you as a result'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is what happened in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most people have issue with registration ont he grounds that it solves nothing, and begins a slippery slope of regulation'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with the USA investing heavily into flying killer robots, the populace does require semi-automatic weapons to defend against the government and corporations suddenly going coup despotic'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'speaking of which http://www.pressherald.com/news/maine-artist-faces-charges-in-new-york_2012-12-04.html'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UN arms treaty is probably the most damning, which is why Obama kicked it back until after the election. He knew if he signed it before, he'd be sunk'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, i can easily get a semi-auto pistol here. need to apply for a permit (safety course, psych eval). i also need to have a gun locker for storage'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't even have a decent air-rifle here'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'if i ever wanted one, it wouldn't be a problem'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with enough killer robots, a corporation may even take over the USA government (simply kill off the whole government) '
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'when at home, would you have to store the pistol in that locker Dagnir?'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i do agree with you on the UK tho'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Zade, they wouldn't need to do that, since they own the government already via the Federal Reserve'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's a tad crazy when it comes to any sort of (potential) weapons there'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Costas blaming guns for that NFL player's death is like blaming a spoon for fat people'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'btw, pretty much all guns are semi-auto. afaik automatics are banned pretty much everywhere except for somalia and other fucked up places'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'try blaming the black gang culture that MTV pushed through the 1980s, blame the concussion, blame the SSRi's the player had been taking + all the alcohol'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'i was just going to say, as much as I dislike gun control, I think what really bothers me about it is most of the reasons people use to justify it'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and notice it wasn't the NRA pushing gang culture.....'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Automatic weapons are legal in the States. Just gotta have a permit and find one registered with the ATF before 1988 or so'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with enough killer robots and the populace disarmed, the corporations and government may be as corrupt as they like -- no need to depend on the armed forces which may yet be loyal to the people'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'or if you are a licensed gun dealer, you can buy as many full autos as you want'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'from any year'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nuts, the ghetto shit came in the 90s. 80s hip hop was awesome and non-violent (with a few exceptions like nwa)'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whenever, Dagnir, it wasn't exactly old boys with John Deere hats and chequered shirts pushing it, was it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but yeah, hip-hop died in the 90s and got replaced with shitty ghetto gangsta bullshit'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'my biggest problem is people acting as if the guns are the ones with the intent to kill or cause crime, as if the person using the gun wouldn't cause crime without the gun'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wasn't straight laced super-christian GOP nutbags pushing it'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, like drugs, guns are inanimate objects with no will or desire. They have no inherent sense of morality'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'actually, they did in a way. they introduced crack ;)'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shh'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only because duPont got hemp and pot banned in 1925 so they could profiteer from cotton'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it also should be noted that places that have the strictest gun controls also tend to have the highest gun crime'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(violent)'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'are the republicans going to botch the next four years acting like spoilt greedy nuisances and not get elected in 2016 :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'in europe, the top two countries are switzerland and finland'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for low gun crime? yeah'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'to be fair, there's some people that will argue that, and site areas where it's gone down.  However, to me, at best that would indicate that there's no corolation between guns and crime in an area, or at least gun control and crimes'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no, the highest'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thats only when you include suicides, Dagnir'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nope. murders'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I don't really trust either side, Zade'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I find it funny that we get wrapped up in the president and his approval ratings and what not, but when you look at senators and representatives, their approval ratins are barely in the double digits'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'finland, france, austria are the top 3'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'not to mention that unlike any president, these people make careers out of being 'elected' officials'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'estonia 4th'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'in my mind, someone who spends 40 years in government is more to blame than any president'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'switzerland comes 20something'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'regardless of party affiliation'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'sorry, two conversations going on, but that's how I roll!'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '4th where?'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'out of europe'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'northern ireland can't really count because a) it's not a country, and b) the stats are from 1998 which includes the sectarian violence from the IRA'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry, 1994, even worse'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'why doesn't sectarian violence count?'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't count for the same reason that publishing germany's gun crime figures during 1939-1945 wouldn't count'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i've heard northern ireland has the best knee surgeons because of ira's habit to shooting out people's knees'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Germany's gun crime figures during that time are pretty low'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA's figures aren't as bad as they seem when you look at them by State then realise that it's linked to poverty rather than gun law'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I find the suicide rate on that chart somewhat disturbing'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyhew, orf again'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a better figure to use when evaluating the effectiveness of gun control is the proportion of violent crime that involves guns, rather than the rate of gun crime...'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'after all, crime varies wildly based on other factors, poverty being one'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why the heck do people do meth when it'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why the heck do people do meth when it disfigures you so horribly?'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'desperation, stupidity, both'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same reason they do heroine'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Can't they do other, less harmful drugs? Does meth give a "better" high or something? Or is it dirt cheap?'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why does anyone do anything like that?'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ask Tzadkiel'
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sweet 16 Anaristos: 'I bet male ostrich is tough as wood :) '
T3/r7/2012-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sweet 16 Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'http://i.imgur.com/Az3Ar.gif'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh "Own it: Unemployment back above 8% in the USA"'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'no need to 'forget' about counties and such now that the election is over?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'when did it go down below 8?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it didn't, really, the figures were fudged prior to the election'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'what amazes me most is the extent to which (admittedly algorithm-driven) financial markets focus on one number and miss so much of what is going in :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'poor old Lord Monckton got booted out of the climate change conference by UN goons '
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Doesn't he get kicked out every year?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, he had to parachute in last year, literally'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Can't have heathens messing up the high mass'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they didn't want neigh-sayers at their globalist conference for the purposes of ripping off the world'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'where did you get your 8% unemployent number, the new number isn't due out until tomorrow.  Do you have a secret source??'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unofficial figures from Gallup'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't take much imaginiation to know it will be though'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'been a lot of job losses in the aftermath of the election cos of Obamacare'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there'll be a hidden toll of people being dropped to 30hrs or less, too'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not much difference to what's happening in the UK - unemployment has gone down, but UNDERemployment has gone rocketing up as people are taking part time jobs'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'gallup of "romney has a huge lead" fame?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a case of the numbers not telling the whole story'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't think that was gallup, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, you obviously weren't following its poll of "likely" voters'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seem to recall Gallup predicting him having a 1 point lead, so was within the error of margin, not accounting for all other factors'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they had a registered voters and likely voters poll...'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the likely voters one had a bigger margin'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some commentators that there will never ever be another transparent or fair US election'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there hasn't been one yet, so the rule of firsts is still in effect'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, do you know that for sure?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'with all the attempts to rig, not surprising...'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the system is corrupt'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yes, I know this for sure.'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you need registered voting, voting id, paper ballots tallied and published locally'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's a lot of "redistricting" done over time...'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's only one type of corruption'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are more obvious ones'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'like voter supression, yes'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'suppression'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'all of which is pointless when we're not connecting ballots to names.  Even for the officials, the best they can do is figure out IF you voted rather than HOW you voted.'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they should hand out ids during the mandatory schooling period, but one side wouldn't like that...'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, connecting ballots to names is a bad idea, secrecy of the ballot being one of the pillars of democracy'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US you have specific issues with immigrants'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK you register to vote and get a card, take the card to the polling station, they exchange it for a ballot. If you're not on their list of cards, you don't get a ballot'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's how it is in the US, except that they also accept a photo id (omg, it's a voter id scam!)'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the problem you have going forward is that, like venezuela, you have a purchased electorate'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by 2016, 70% of households will be on foodstamps'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why because Obama won the election?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'but still, you might have pulled the lever for Romney but how do you know your vote wasn't changed?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well thats why you should go back to paper ballots '
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'irony - Romney appears to have won 47% of the popular vote (rounded off)'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you don't remember hanging chads in Florida?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'paper ballots counted onsite is harder to defraud than black box electronics which have already been proven to be fraudulent, Twyst'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm not arguing with you there, although ballot stuffing can still happen with paper ballots'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it can, but at least with physical ballots you can refer to comparisons, have recounts, and look at CCTV footage'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'my contention is that 85% of these measures are not to combat fraud but to depress specific electorates votes'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home they use paper ballots... just mark your choice and it gets counted fairly quickly under the eyes of the candidates and their representatives after polls close.'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds fine'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you ever seen how polling places are run?  Long hours bordering on the illegal, very small staff.  If it weren't for the fact that most voters are decent people by nature, it'd be utter chaos.'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's easily solved'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the same people calling for voter id's are the ones making sure polling places are abyssmal'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'funny how they can spend zillions on campaigning, but so little on the actual election that there are long queues in many places and counting takes forever.'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree, sonshi, it's bonkers'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(in some places)'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'get rid of absentee and postal ballots'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not accountable'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's talk about using mobile apps to vote soon.'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there are also complaints that poor districts tend to be the ones that have long queues, intentionally or unintentionally (because of low funding) discouraging voters...'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'lets hope they don't use phone apps.'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the biggest fraud in the last US election is that states and results of motions were announced before the counting was complete'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, they weren't.  Those were projections.'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah exit polling by the 24 hr news media'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if some areas have long queues, least they could do is plan to open the polls longer next time, or hold it open longer for early voting, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they shortened them from last time'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the elections at all levels have been done that way since the WWW was born.'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'because the people in charge knew that those people waiting in line weren't waiting to vote for their party'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, news networks can easily project, say, california's or utah's presidential vote pretty much immediately after polls close, before even a single vote is counted.'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they can also predict the swing states pretty accurate with exit polling'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'accurately that is'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the actual result couldn't be known until 2-3 days after the vote closed'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not surprising that they'd just project results that are foregone conclusions anyway'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'If you'll recall I did say it was a done deal like 2-3 months ago'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'maybe next time people will listen to Nate Silver'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that's before you start adding in some of the really illegal stuff that was going on, like in California where opponents to prop 37 were illegally forging quotes from the EPA, adverts claiming to be from the Police authorities, and adverts claiming to be from the Democrat party'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'christianity is not a religion. discuss.'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the total vote count isn't even in now... and yet no one in his right mind would suggest the obama hasn't won the popular vote yet, for example, because there simply aren't enough votes left to close the gap.'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'only if they agree with what Nate Silver says, :)   People tend to ignore information they don't agree with.'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could ban all campaign spending above $1 per head of population per party'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that might help :-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'citizens united??'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"hey, he was right the last x times and I was wrong, but hey, I know I'm right this time!"'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's often how it works out'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '4th term for Clinton :-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, you can't ban campaign spending... they'd go all "butbutbut freedom of speech!"'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how in any way shape or form have the last term in this term been Clinton's?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because Hilary Clinton wears the pants'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the constitution, as is usual, gets interpreted by the parties involved however they want...'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, and how'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'money is not speech and never has been'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for the republicans it's interpreted in a way that makes them the most money possible, for the democrats it's an invisible non-existent, non-binding document'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'also, corporations are neither people, nor on par with the press'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the democrats cling to the constitution more fiercely, actually...'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really? 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 10th are all embattled under Obama'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'especially the freedom of assembly, association, etc. things'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'okay 1st?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'also 2nd'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you have to give examples'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and note that almost anything that is threatened under dem leadership is threatened under gop leadership, and more...'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how do you explain the current administration continuing down a path of criminalising people for political speech, clamping down on protests, and continued interference in religion?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what continued interference in religion?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'criminalising people for political speech. ha'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'holding religion to the same rules as everyone else is what he ought to be doing, equality under the law and all...'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err no, sonshi, that would go against the 1st ammendment'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm still kind of curious about the interference with religion'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seperation of church and state'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, I'm biased, coming from a country with better rule of law'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'separation of church and state means that you should treat them equally with everything else...'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I really can't surmise what you are talking about interference with religion'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'plenty of interference from religion'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and rightly so'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how is that right?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'religion is a personal thing, it's an extension of your speech'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I can only see moves to promote such equality as supporting the constitution. I have to say that you have an odd view of the constitution...'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so is screaming fire, but there are some places where you can't do that'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'though I should probably say the US constitution, since it isn't mine...'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'administrations from both sides have been inflitrating religious groups for years through the charity status system'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'religion is a god-given right.'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what about republicans wanting to throw the ten ammendments everywhere?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personal vector, twyst'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'excuse me commandments'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I don't know what that means'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it comes off as a non sequitor'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'every religion has those ten commandments, Twyst.'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yes every religion.... are you serious? or joking'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if christian republicans want to be christian and use that as a basis for their policies, that's entirely up to them, you don't have to vote for them'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its never been about personal faith'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'm serious.'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's always been about personal faith'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is always personal faith being pushed into the public forum'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'only the those three that are at each other's throats at various points in history'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, that's called federal governance'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'which isn't saying much, because the top 3 religions all worship the same god with the same tenets from different angles.'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and the commandments are treated as jokes by them anyway...'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its prohibited in the constitution to favor any religion'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'thou shalt not kil... except your enemies'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'thou shalt not steal... well, except in the case of legitimised plunder of people you don't like'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'thou shalt not hold up false idols above Me.'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"top three religions" hahaha'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's pretty clear'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah it is'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so is the Preamble.'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so where is religion under attack again?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you still have not provided an example which can be refuted'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'just a broad statement'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'free exercise doesn't mean that they should pay no tax...'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't have anything to do with tax'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'okay so I can conclude that it is not under attack as you stated? you don't seem to be very forthcoming with your examples'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'among other things... in fact, that supports the equal treatment of religions with everyone else'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'while waiting, Toys for Tots reminds us today that donations this year are way below normal.'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'all the money is with the job creators'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are plenty of things that can be construed as incompatible with free practicing of religion, including certain gender and sexuality equality laws, and obamacare provisions'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'still mighty vague'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however the most worrying is the subvsersion of religious groups through their charitable status'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'religious groups are no longer considered charities?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, suuuure, we shouldn't outlaw stoning people to death because it interferes with some religion!'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'must have missed that episode of fox news'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's that relgious gruops -are- charities, Twyst'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so regulate them like charities?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so you are saying they shouldn't be?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they should if they want to be'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'aren't they already though?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'poisoned chalice though, you then become subject to being told what to do'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'religious groups are all Tax exempt, I'm not quite sure what you are talking about'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only if they're registered'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so divide your charity part and non charity part so that one side has charity status and the other pays regular tax?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'of course they have to register'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'otherwise I would have the twystian church and all the tax benefits.....'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you're a non charity, you don't have to abide with charity rules, they're free to do that, like any other organisation'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(abide by)'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like i said, too late for many of them to go back now'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, never too late'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you have to understand TN that these people are hypocritical'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they just don't want to lose their tax free status'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go look up how much money government has "put in" to religious groups over the last 10 years'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's an insane amount'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'in Lousiana where I used to live, they wanted to allow students to take public vouchers to private schools'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'specifically religious ones, until they realized that might include Muslim schools'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and guess which side is trying to end that giveaway?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'hilarious watching them bend over backwards at the contradiction'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know sonshi, but it's exploded in the last 4 years'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it's any comfort, the government interferes here too'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'see, if you treat (noncharity) religious activities as nonexempt, you regain a lot of that revenue, and they won't be bound by the rules they complain about'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they would be bound by the rules, because these aren't rules specific to chairities'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but they don't want their noncharity to be a nonexempt... because their donations flow will thin'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you're nonexempt you can do what you want like any other organisation, as long as you pay your taxes and don't do illegal stuff like smuggle drugs or kill people'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what if they smuggle people?  Who's really going to arrest a priest for sheltering illegal immigrants?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah... they ought to be treated the same way, but everyone knows they won't...'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they're too powerful, after all'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts chews loudly.
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'maybe that might swing if the smuggling wasn't ethnicly-closed, but it'd probably be suicide in all senses of the word trying to tell a specific enthic group they can't reach out to their fellows.'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what you should really be worried about is your 4th and your 2nd, but for now particularly the 4th, and if you like pot, the 10th'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what's the 10th?'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. '
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'basically, in this argument in colorado and washington vs the feds regarding pot'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'according to the constitution, States win'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would have been different with alcohol prohibition because there was a constitutional ammendment (18th) enacted to enable it'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'post a wiki link to the Constiutional Ammendments of the USA'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'feds will probably try to wiggle out of it by using some rather old commerce clauses that don't really count'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if obama thinks he can sneakily let colorado and washington do what they want without the gop noticing, he will...'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'unfortunately, he's done a lot of the caving thing last term...'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's how pot originally became illegal.  Cocaine and opium/heroin, too.  They aren't bad for you, it's just that nobody wanted to pay the proper taxes on shit that at the time was hugely popular.'
T3/r7/2012-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'turns out that they really ARE bad for you, but nobody really cares about that because it's illegal anyways.'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'weirdest headline of the day: 35,000 rubber ducks in Santa, reindeer outfits seized at Port of Los Angeles'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like you're going to have your fiscal cliff'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has a sense of inevitability about it'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'No way Obama will escape blame for this one, even liberal news media has been making a joke about his "plan" for compromise, and they have been noting republican concessions in their proposed plan'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your deficit is worse than ours was, and that's an achievement'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the republicans are totally to blame for the USA deficit'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Obama in his last news conference (first in like a year) said he was open to closing loopholes and raising effective rates, but when Republicans proposed exactly that, he said no way. Republicans ran on no higher taxes whatsoever, and their plan calls for higher taxes. THe media seems to be reporting the truth and Obama will take all the blame'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're all to blame'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'No, Zade, they aren't. Republicans passed the budget that (almost) balanced it in the Clinton years'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'democrats won't reduce spending on welfare and warfare, the republicans won't reduce spending on warfare or raising tax'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Dem's wont even talk about entitlements. They are totally off the table'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could solve the deficit instantly by changing your foreign policy'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the rich are not "entitled" to anything'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody is 'entitled' to anything'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong, Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're entitled to freedom and liberty'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'We are entitled to liberty. But not to others money'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're not entitled to someone else's cash'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'damnit tipro'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tasty Tipro grins evilly at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts, you suggesting cutting off all aid to Israel -- that is sure to bother the republicans and christian nutters'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps that would make them more condusive to a peaceful 2 state solution'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'deluge on my seedbox tho'
T3/r7/2012-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'got a written response from my parliament MP today'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only took him 3 months'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '150-strong swat team raid a man for being a prepper, accused of having a huge arsenal of machine guns. Find 2 rifles, 2 shotguns and a pistol, $100,000s in tax payers money wasted'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'sell them to me '
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: '5 guns seems like a lot to me. Maybe not raidworthy tho.'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'just sell me some ammo - down with the hardware'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a spokesman said they raided on the basis of a 20yr old drug posession conviction'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'German and French troops massing on Turkey/Syria border'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'really?'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'cool'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, not cool'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'russia will back down and al-quaeda will be installed in Syria'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I knew nato couldn't stay away from invading syria.'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was their plan from the start, send jihadi's in to destabilise, then go invade'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why you're hearing all this compelte bullshit about chemical weapons'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're old enough to remember the gulf war, then it should start sounding awfully familiar'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If you're old enough to remember the iraq invasion, same story.'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's part of the plan to rid the middle east of anything other than sunni wahabists and form a wider islamic caliphate'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'What's even more amazing is that the citizens of nato countries seem to believe the lies'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obamafone?'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'libya/egypt just the same'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now that the jihadi's have rpg's and more up to date anti-aircraft weapons that the US gave them, they have been in the media saying they're going to use them on Americans'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Another thing that amazes me is that countries that have (and use) weapons on mass destruction get all moral on other countries that try to get such weapons. That makes no sense.'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ayup'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Israel used depleted uranium against Lebanon a few years back'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Pentagon is preparing an invasion of Mali'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that raid on the prepper was prompted after he cricised Obama on facebook, btw'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or specifically something 6wis or better'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops mis'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/originals/state_by_state.pdf'
T3/r7/2012-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'another sensitive nerd who doesnt like to be wrong ... thanx for sullying up barter and not goin to debate like an honorable gentleman'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'http://i.imgur.com/CAhXQ.jpg'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'god damn, obama'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'i cant blame Obama for anything, because this is what is going to happen. The third Pres from here is going to take the credit for pulling us out of all this crap. Look at Reagan and the Berlin Wall.'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'wtf, obama? - http://i.imgur.com/Az3Ar.gif'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh "Iran condemns US nuclear test" saying it reflected "inattention to full disarmament which is a deep-seated demand of international public opinion"'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'what nuclear test is the US doing?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yay iran.'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'god damn it, obama! http://i.imgur.com/xNkg1.gif'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ohkay'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i appear to have slept most of the daylight away'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was built for hibernating'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woman sentenced to year in prison for having a copy of the magazine "Inspire"'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'statisticians called the latest US government jobs and unmployment reports "nonsense numbers"'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'why not source these claims?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what claims?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/sister-of-london-bomb-plotters-jailed-for-possessing-copies-of-al-qaida-magazine/2012/12/06/65ddf420-3fc0-11e2-8a5c-473797be602c_print.html'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/?s=shadowstats.com'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not surprisingly US uses similar tactics to the UK to conceal real joblessness rates'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"statisticians". By the way, I read a book on anatomy in primary school once, you can save on medical fees by coming to see me.'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depending on the problem, you might be just as likely to be able to help'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'cancer?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's higher, Sonshi, 20% of 100 or 40% of 45?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what are you referring to?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'referring to mathematics'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '...'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sorry, do you need the government to give you the answer?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the government says that 40% of 45 is higher'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I don't do people's homework...'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'suuure'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well the government said it, it must be true, right?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'is that what the voices in your head are telling you these days?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what're you going to cite next? unskewedpolls dot com or something?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not the one scorning the person pointing out the spin-measures that government uses to make unemployment rates appear lower than they really are'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they do publish a variety of different measures, you know'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what's the unemployment rate of adults in the USA?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and people tend to be interested in the change/comparison with other countries more than anything else'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'depends on what you mean'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how they can they hope for that when all countries measure it differently?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is it even relevent comparing unemployment rates to other countries that are fundamentally different?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'headline unemployment? U1? U2? U3? ???'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK doesn't have U1 U2 U3, so what are you comparing?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'pick the rates that are measured about the same...'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'U3 is commonly used these days, countries just call it different things'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'when you standardise these things people are bound to complain - "what, they switched from imperial to metric! It must be an evil plot! The government is trying to cheat us!"'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'u3 might give you something to compare with, but it's not the unemployment rate'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you have a different definition from the standard one, they publish other figures too'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'U5 would be the actual unemployment rate'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not the standard definition globally...'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even that doesn't include people out of work for more than a year and not looking'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'U3 is the ILO definition, and the most useful one since most countries have that as headline'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the who?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ILO'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'itnl lab org'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and who decided they made the decisions?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, most countries use it'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who voted for it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'who voted for "kid" to mean young child?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'that actually means walrus'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you have some funny nonstandard definition of "kid", say... don't expect others to be speaking on the same wavelength'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't that kind of the point?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, your definition of unemployment rate is nonstandard...'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it's not'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that's the problem'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you ask people on the street what 7.7% unemployment rate means, most will tell you means 7.7% of the work force don't have jobs'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what people expect it to mean'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they also expect the work force to mean people actually looking for a job'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so when you use the -actual- figures for this definition, your unemployment rate is 14.9%'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK figures are even higher'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'Unless they're idiots, no one counts bums, housespouses, etc. as part of the workforce...'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well housespouses i agree, neither pensioners, but u5 and u6 do account for that'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'u6 counts underemployed'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'part time employed looking for full time work, nods'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for most people, they won't count them as unemployed.'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still, not a patch on Spain or Greece's unemployment rates'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how to let EU globalism model ruin your country, in several difficult steps'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you don't seem to understand the sources of the crisis in those countries'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i understand full well'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it has nothing to do with globalism, and everything to do with the euro...'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the EU is a pilot for global government'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'short answer - getting on the euro was a dumb idea.'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a microcosm of globalism'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if the EU were a real govt, it wouldn't be a problem'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what makes you think the EU isn't a real government?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the problem is that they went on the euro without a fiscal union'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if it were a fiscal union like how the US is, there'd be no problem, because transfers would smooth things out.'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the EU creates 86% of sovereign country laws, they place bounds on the remaining sovereign legislature, and at their core their policies are created by an unelected bunch of commissars, many of which come from a soviet political background'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the things about the EU that people harp on as 'good', like the EU treaty on human rights, is about as much use as a chocolate fireguard - no more useful than the UN convention on human rights'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'is this one of those 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot things?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's good that EU members can wander between counties without a visa, but we could have done that without a EU and without a Euro'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in any case, the crisis is simply a misalignment of fiscal and monetary powers... if you hand them to different levels, this is what you get'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is a very large number of people who don't want to be in it, including a majority here where i live'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so don't...'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't what?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'don't be in it... you don't have to, if a majority of the country opposes it.'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what the majority want is irrelevent'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all three political parties renegged on promised referendums'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's pretty obvious that the ruling elite have their own agenda to stay in, regardless of what the voters want'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you don't want to vote for people who pursue the policies you want in sufficient numbers, don't complain to me...'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have an absurdly idealist view of democracy... it doesn't work like that'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even if they gerrymander here and there, they can only shift the threshold so far...'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts pats Sonshi on his head.
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and if you guys are easily fooled, that's too bad... do something about that first.'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama did a good job of closing Guantanemo, didn't he?, and did a good job of becoming the most transparent administration ever'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'promises are worth shit, and people are too stupid to remember by the time the next election comes round'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know this, stop deluding yourself and others into thinking it can be any different'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, can't expect them to do every single thing they promised... stuff happens, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but if there's a single issue the people want to force, it will be'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'earth to Sonshi, earth to Sonshi, come in Sonshi your time is up'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can pick it up later (if there is any point)'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, mursi revoked his decree... there are ways to compel politicians to uphold the popular will'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if even egypt can force through strongly held popular views with a crappy "democracy"... you guys just don't feel strongly enough'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hellion: 'xaeris did u argue monty hall ? and u want proof? google it plenty of people have done it and have made simple programs that ran 100,000 instances to prove it'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, sonshi, if you're prepared to resort to semi-violent insurrection for which our governments are happy to shoot you or jail you for....'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for every protest that has an effect, 99 do not'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like some of California's school districts fell into the same trap of corporate loan agreements that UK hospitals did'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"School District owes $1bn on $100mn loan"'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you mean some of California, period? :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yeah, they do seem to have fiscal diarrhea, but then that's socialists for you - they did here when they were in power'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll take decades to sort it out here, if it can be sorted at all'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some reports of torture chambers staffed by the muslim brotherhood coming out of egypt, plus rape gangs'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'torture chambers are prevalent all over the world, have been since the world modernized.'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, they're usually the preserve of US forces abroad'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'even, and some would say especially, the Geneva Accord member states.'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, but if it's in a foreign country it doesn't count, right?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the "foreign" part is irrelevant.  There are just as many in the US as there are elsewhere (that aren't already major hotspots likely to have a lot more).'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'haven't heard of any in the US'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thought they deliberately kept them abroad because of jurisdictional issues'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i.e on US soil, CIA wouldn't have jurisdiction'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that helps the masses sleep at night.'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'CIA doesn't have jurisdiction off US soil...'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd better tell them that'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'plus, it'd be pretty inconvenient to have such things outed in the public arena since those able to wrest such secrets are already members of the same organizations we are.  They have our dirt, we have theirs, everyone trades favors so that nobody ever really gets the real story.'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'their directive is to work off US soil...but US directives don't give US people "jurisdiction" when it's not our country...'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not local jurisdiction'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's not any jurisdiction'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's kind of the whole definition of the word jurisdiction'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'jurisdiction is the LEGAL right to do what you're doing there'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the whole point of spy agencies isn't to be doing stuff that's legal in other other countries'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well they do, then, because they have the permission of the local sovereign governments to act there'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You roll on the floor, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, we give you permission to spy on us...'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this isn't to do with spying, this is to do with having sizeable military installations where you take people to torture them for information'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it was merely spying, nobody would give a toss, because it'd be normal'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the CIA doesn't have sizeable military installations'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it piggybacks existing stations'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'such as in Benghazi and Eritrea'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Bahrain'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2 buglars shot dead while attempting to steal from a pot grower in Washington State'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sure why the media are hyping it as a "result of pot legalisatioN", it'd be no different to 2 burglars being shot anywhere else'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'police should be thanking the guy for saving them a whole lot of money'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'everyone knows that marijuana causes you to run around shooting people and is right up there with crystal meth and heroin.'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't forget that it causes you to grow extra toes, too'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Domino's Pizza announce a series of new Pizza delivery outfits in Washington and Colorado'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Lol, apprently George W. Bush accidentally voted for Obama back in November, because he got confused (by the voting machine... or just life in general). He tried to undo his vcte, but election laws wouldn't allow it.'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or it might be a satirical website. Hard to tell with "Dubya being stupid" news.'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Blaming it on Bush doesn't fly anymore, Yuna.'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'but if it helps, you can blame the bad things from the Clinton years on bush, too.'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'as surrounded by bush as that man was, I still don't know why he had to bring in more.'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What part of that was blaming anything on Bush?'
T3/r7/2012-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sweet 16 Anaristos . o O ( if you don't blame anything on the bush, you have been sleep the entire XXIth century... )
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Mitch McConnell basically filibustered himself on the senate floor 4 days ago because he's a petulant child like that.'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like Google is taking tax flak in the US, too, after already being forced to appear before a parliamentary committee in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Arab nations form alliance with China and Russia with regard to getting more state regulation of the internet'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA take opposition view, but then, they record and/or sift all Internet traffic in live time anyway, it's in their interests to pretend to want to keep it free, regulation might stop their spying efforts abroad'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Peter Schiff: "Democrat Majority Doesn't Have the Right to Steal My Money Just Because They Voted For It"'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as someone who has no wealth at all, I agree'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Storm Thurmond, what a fantastic name and service record'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'had he been British, he would have served in 2 world wars'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'WV is a shithole?'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops mis'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Medieval Jameson: 'BAN GAY MARRIAGE ---- that is al'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mildria: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Why?  You prefer gay fornication?'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'he turned the channel off tho, no point in answering'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, Bayer was the largest supplier of heroin before WWI, and after the war they lost the world license, and other countries started backing other companies to start manufacturing it.'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Afghanistan is the largest producer of heroin in the world.....thank god we invaded and took out the taliban to preserve that production. :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unfortunately though, heroin only kills 100,000 people each year, so spending $2 trillion to oust the taliban to protect the heroin trade isnt worth it.'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the rare earth metals found there don't hurt either'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps we can raid the country for its estimated $200 trillion in minerals.'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'drugs are bad m'kay?'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bad to whom ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'or maybe we should get the hell out of there?'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'kids'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'innocents'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so are bumble bees, should we ban those also ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'drugs are bad because they are illegal'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hemp is good.'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'their illegal because they are "bad"'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'kind of a circular argument'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hemp was worth 10x more than cotton, until cotton growers got it banned in favor of cotton.'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hemp is going to make a comeback someday.'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I bought some hemp cords for a kid's school project yesterday'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'yea when togas take us by surprise again! :D'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'bonus: it was to make a replica of an indian longhouse'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'granted, they used sinew, not hemp'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'but still'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you are saying, Ranrr, that the only thing wrong with heroin is that it is illegal?'
T3/r7/2012-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'nah, that would be taking it too far'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'then your last statement was flawed :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'all drugs have harmful effects, both legal and illegal ones'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'but for some/most drugs, the war on them is far more damaging than the drug itself, to the society and the individual'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ronda nods at Ranrr.
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'as for hemp, the male of the plant is used to make bags for grains outside the US.'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ok, I am not going to argue about the methodology of containment, but if you say that you rather hand out heroin to the masses... I think there is something not good about that.'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'uk government forced to rethink snooper's charter that records all citizens internet traffic'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did they get caught in their own web?'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Illinois public open-carry gun ban overturned by federal appeals court'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(in a rare case of federal courts doing their job, mark it in your diary folks)'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oh, speaking of controversy, I heard there was a medical study released that showed sexual preference is genetic and that the gene for it is passed through your opposite-sex parent (ie, gay sons got the gay gene from mom).'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could be any number of reasons'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is no gay-gene'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all the oestrogen in the water can't help, either'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Was that a statistically significant correlation in a prospective study, or 100% certain? :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Simqx: 'or it could be the human race trying to stop itself from overpopulating the earth.'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'statistics often lie'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'State Deparment spokesperson Victoria Nuland claims Bash al-Assad is responsible for the Al-Qaeda in Syria'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'At least humans frequently lie about and usually misunderstand statistics.'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where does the state department get these middle age female retards?'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Are those good or bad al-qaeda?'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts grins evilly at Tinada.
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i dunno whether they're the good or bad al-qaeda, only that US helped arm them'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and when they start shooting down nato passenger jets, they'll take more of your rights because of it'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'dunno, I only got into the conversation in the aftermath, where the guy on the radio was talking about how awful it was that the first responses to the announcement were "see?  conversation's over, we're just born that way!" or "Being gay is the devil!"'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone being gay is really none of their business'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'of course the US helped armed them, that's what we do...we spent millions training bin ladin in the art of guerrilla warfare'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but that was when he was the holy avenger against those nasty russians'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US also trained his group of jihadi's to fly aircraft'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that turned out well'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently, Oklahoma police, facing a lawsuit, are arguing that firing a taser at pointblank range into the chest of a woman who is in the custody suite of the police station with her hands cuffed behind her back is "not unconstitutional when used to compel obedience"'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i get the impression that there is a sizeable minority of american police who are just bullies, or plain dumbarses'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you would prefer they shoot her, or pound her with their sticks?'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't need to do either, get 2 or 3 cops and just drag her to the cell and leave her there'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'compliance training is not a good idea'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Simqx: 'compel obedience sounds like something from 50 shades of grey'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If you have handcuffed someone, and you as a police officer still don't feel safe enough to restrict your use of further force, it may just be that you have the wrong job'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they seem to like hiring thugs, perverts and paedophiles'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or maybe this was a shaolin nun'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, a drunk lady'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Simqx: 'you never know. she might just have a shoe-knife'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Simqx: 'like the joker in the dark knight'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then let her cut herself in the cell'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'drunken monkey master'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I shouldn't debate after midnight..'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or it could be like Law and Order: SVU, where the holding cell is in the middle of the office.  Irate customers in a store can get obnoxiously loud, imagine what a like-minded inmate would be capable of.'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, irrelevent'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'would making actually working, fairly impossible'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't start pulling triggers just ebcause someone is being obnoxious'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'of course not, you get them to calm down first.  Obviously, that didn't work in this case.'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they didn't try'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty clear that the cops had not had any conflict training, else they'd know that wasn't what you do'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'maybe if they went back to demanding above average intelligence and physical capacity for all cops'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then they wouldn't have any cops :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Simqx: 'Colonel Hanslanda could suggest a few concentration camps for special prisoners :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I don't take prisoners unless it's inconvenient for me not to take any.'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Simqx: 'the thing about being a beat cop is the same thing as being a security guard- you see the same things every day to the point where you stop seeing people as people. same for surgeons and other body-invasive professions, actually.'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Simqx: 'after a while it just becomes too dehumanizing.'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cops here are typically far more professional than that'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Simqx: 'i have no doubt about that. but i'm sure frustration is a factor (not an excuse) in that sort of behaviour'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then they shouldn't be cops'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when you've got witless wonders like Jason Whitlock and Bob Costas on the media, gun companies couldn't be happier, their insane ramblings are great for sales'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wonder if they got paid for that'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nope, they just enjoy being on TV so much they did it for free...here's your sign, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, take them off tv please'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's 'speaking out against gang culture', and there 'propoganda designed to incite race war and demonise gun ownership''
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'his comments definitely fall into the latter'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, dunno who that Whitlock guy is, but I would be willing to shoot up a few tv stations if a great personality like Costas got replaced with whatever the next Honey Boo-boo was.'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shoot up?'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Aurora, CO style.'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"The NRA is the new KKK" he said..... I bet he wasn't informed enough to know that the KKK were instrumental in getting some of the very first anti-gun laws passed in order to prevent former black slaves owning firearms'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I might even dress up like Jack Buck to do it.'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just tell him he's a faggot and smack him around the face with a dildo'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he'd probably like that, most NFL supporters do'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you mean football supporters, right?'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's like soccer in this country, good way for the masses to be parted with their cash, and exists as pointless tribalism for idiots who are too stupid to be passionate or tribal about anything real'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(in a nutshell)'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I bet you're even a Manchaser'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, union thugs beat up journalists and destroy their tents in Michigan'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'own it, Michigan'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'some gun nut shot a congresswoman, crazy people do crazy things'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and what were they fighting over? Michigan house passed a bill banning workplace rules that make union-membership a condition of employment for government workers'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like something out of the UK in the 70s and early 80s'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is a short sighted bill, unless your goal is to kill unions and depress wages'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'by union, they mean the public-sector unions.  The ones that represent the civil servants and government workers.  Private-sector unions aren't taking part in the union violence, because private-sector unionmembers are getting fucked over alongside anyone else who's not in the public-sector unions.'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not short sighted at all'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has nothing to do with killing unions, and everything to do with giving people the option to join or not'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if you could get the benefit of the union, without paying dues that kills the unions because no one pays for free stuff'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here's a petition to cease funding and support for al-qaeda in syria: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/cease-all-funding-and-support-al-qaeda-terrorists-and-extremist-rebels-syria/R951Mygt?utm_source=wh.gov&utm_medium=shorturl&utm_campaign=shorturl'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'then when the union is gone, and wages drop 15-20% they'll wonder what happened'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you're suggesting unions do nothing, Twyst?'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'these are the same people who tried to storm the state capitol because the recently-elected republican governor had the balls to balance the budget by taking away collective bargaining agreements and cushy benefits packages that not even senators enjoy.'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm suggesting if you could gain the benefit of the union without paying you probably wouldn't'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would you gain the benefit of a union without being a member, that doesn't make any sense at all'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in that state that has Detroit going bankrupt, Hans? how dare he'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they employer isn't going to pay a higher salary just because you are in a union'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so 50% bargain for more pay'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what about the other 50%'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't you think that's up to the individual then to decide whether to be a member of the union?'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if a union has value, which many do, then workers will join it voluntarily - happens here in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you're benefitting from the union collective bargaining by virtue of being an employee'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when union memberships fund organised crime, that is bad'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why should you be forced to be a member of a union?'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's taxation, or indoctrination'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why pay property taxes if you have no kids?'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's the same principle'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it's not'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'public-sector unions are not the same as private-sector unions.  The difference in benefits is about the same as the generic union vs. scab (non-union) difference.'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'having union membership as a prequisite of employment would probably be illegal under EU law'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'had they said "you may not be a member of a union if you are employed here", i'd agree with you'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but that's not what's happened'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given all of the information available, any recruit is still likely to join the union, so what's the problem?'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you get the benefits regardless if you are in the union or not'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'do you dispute that'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't get the legal representation, which is the main reason people join unions'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah for the legal representation, not the collective bargaining for wages/benefits/pension etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so encourage them to join the union, it should sell itself'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's almost as bad as forcing people to buy health insurance'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'TN you realize they made this an appropriation bill, because it would get murdered if it was voted on right'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't know what you mean, they voted on it, it passed'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the legislator voted on it, but it is an appropriation bill so it can't be voted on by the people in a referendum'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'like proposition x y z'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'will of the people and all that'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sure if there is procedure, you could have a vote to reinstate it put on the next round of public ballets'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not as it is currently written'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'welcome to democracy'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doubt it'd pass anyway'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'which is why they made it untouchable, the governor better use his line item veto unless he doesn't like his job anymore'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he won't veto it because he knows the place is bankrupt'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as things stand, you'll be lucky if you have a Michigan state by 2016'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you guys need to learn to pick your fights - this isn't one'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I really couldn't care less'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not a government employee?'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I used to live in a "right to work state"'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not a government employee'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I dunno, if I were in a union that had benefits better than many lawmakers get I'd want to keep getting them.'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why do lawmakers get any benefits at all?'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's my whole point, Hans, they're not stopping people joining the union, and if the union are getting such good deals, people will still join it'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's an entirely fabricated grievance directly aimed at preventing the removal of an absurd privaledge'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'look at hostess'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that the company that unions bankrupted?'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they sure did'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'had nothing to do with mismanagement or the fact the company stole the money in the pension trust'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unions in action, they did much the same thing to the UK car manufacturing industry in the 70s and the UK coal industry in the 80s'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and used it for day to day expenses'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and to give themselves bonuses for such a good job'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that suggests they were already insolvent'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so how are they paying 1.8 million in bonuses, this year'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'croney capitalism, you'll probably find that's largely irrelevent to the wider picture though'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they're going through bankruptcy, i wouldn't expect them to actually get it'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'liabilities have to be resolved before people get payouts'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the management is suspect though wouldn't you say'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no doubt, twyst, but 2 wrongs don't make a right'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'these are not titans of industry being brought down by their workers'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'these are incompetent unethical people who just fucked shit up'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but made sure the checks came on time'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's no real protection against managerial incompetence'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but you can always blame the union'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends what the union did'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'ceo had a company wide pay cut, guess who's pay wasn't cut'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Hostess made sweets.  Sweets in the culture of the last, say, 20 years, have been demonized, and in the last 6-10 or so years obesity and unhealthy habits have been in the crosshairs.'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'lays and coke are doing just fine'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're happily poisoning everyone'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, but sweets is ALL that Hostess made.  They paid other people to make non-sweets, such as loaf bread (ie, Wonder).'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ceo's pay was drastically cut, twyst'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Coca-Cola in the glass bottles are a healthy beverage (when without the plastic and aluminum poisons)'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sympathetic to anger against corporate greed and croney capitalism, but it's irrelevent'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'is this like..filtered cigarettes prevent cancer? :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Real Coca-Cola isn't too bad, ironically, it's the diet stuff and coke zero that has all the carcinogens in'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'are you sure abe? a quick google search shows otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the bonuses were all rescinded quite a while ago, and the current CEO didn't work at hostess when that happened'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, I'm sure'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'make sure your google search didn't end up on a union website ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aspartame, other than it's carcinogenic and brain-destroying tendancies, has also been linked to weight gain'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Earlier this year, Hostess former CEO received a pay increase from $750,000 to nearly $2.5 million even as the company was struggling'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why you always see fat people drinking diet coke'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'There is also no doubt that optimal soft drink consumption per year is approximately zero ounces?'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just looking at soda can give you cancer.'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, tinada, drink coke, just remember it's got a shit ton of sugar in'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Fat people drink diet coke more often because..diet coke makes people fatter, or fat people worry more about their calories?'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Still, the company asked a judge to approve $1.75 million in bonuses for 19 executives after it filed for bankruptcy in November'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both, tinada'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I think you might be mistaken Abe, which is rare I admit'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but fat people aren't informed enough to realise this and drink, i dunno, water instead'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no twyst, I'm not'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(normal: not-diet, no benzoates, no artificial sweeteners, no artificial preservatives, no plastics, no aluminum) Coca-Cola in the glass bottles and lots of aerobic exercise (speed-walking is okay)'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'very few people are informed enough to realize they're cannibals in the technical sense if not in the practical/obvious sense.'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so do I trust you, or my lying eyes :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do tech people think of this? http://arstechnica.com/security/2012/12/25-gpu-cluster-cracks-every-standard-windows-password-in-6-hours/'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'for that matter, very few people are informed enough to realize most of what they consume is contaminated with obvious poisons (by obvious, I mean you would know better than to consume them)'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was under the impression server password protection involved anti-brute force attack mechanisms'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Since it seems that serum levels of triglycerides and small ldl is largely driven by high density carb consumption, I doubt soft drinks are ok for people anywhere close to normal activity levels'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and the amounts of training serious athletes do is unhealthy on its own, it seems'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'for example, metal cans are first sprayed with a chemical used to make paint thinner.'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm sure that helps prevent..blood clotting?'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tanto: 'Acetone?'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the spray is to prevent stuff sticking to the cans.'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'plastics are likely contributers to indolence -- those poisoned by plastics are less likely to want to do anything active'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'this reminds me I was going to look for online versions of Keys 5/7 country studies, but I couldn't find anywhere that had the actual data'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'also watching TV trains the viewer to wait around for the next tv show -- again, less activity'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'playing muds trains the loser to sit at a vidscreen waiting for the next quest or double ... (evil grin)'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh well, i'd better get some sleep then'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'sounds like an incentive to bot :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'see?  A documented benefit to botting.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Beastling: 'hello '
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Chinese woman tasered in Massachusetts for trying to buy more than one iphone'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'well done!'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's ok is it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's ok is it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I think that ppl are tasered too rarely in combination with the purchase of Apple products.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst rapidly nods twice at ElFeneri, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Syria gets desperate, starts firing scud missiles'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even CNBC's news sets are against Romney: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=N2Z7Ds4tzco'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'maybe it's the universe'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'guy went to the pacquaio fight and he got knocked out '
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'News reporter punched in face by fat pro-union protestor in Lansing Mi'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'estate taxes supported by Buffett and Soros threaten to dispossess 526,421 family farms'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'easy write an exception for farms..'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'estate taxes are fucking horrendously unfair'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what is unfair about it'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'from an equality standpoint, you're being taxed twice on the same source. From a cultural standpoint it destroys the whole principle of intergenerational continuity'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just exempt anything under 5m or something'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah that is what they do'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '5m was the old cap, they want to move it down to 2m while the dollar is fast devaluing'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'after that you're not continuing intergernationally'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you're hoarding'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or peg it to per capita income... exempt anything under 100x per capital gdp.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'probably pegging it to per capita gdp is best'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'note that it's a law that will not apply to the super-rich'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only the middle classes will get hit by it'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so enforce it better'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err, the super rich make the rules'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's being enforced just fine'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly as they intended'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'okay so have no law whatsoever'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about get rid of it altogether?'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah then buffet can give his kids 50 bill'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if buffett wants to give his kids 50 bill, what you got against letting him?'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'then they give their kids 100 bill'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'funny how you're taking the side of your masters by saying that they'll evade it anyway...'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's called realism, Sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'who needs 50 bill?'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what is the qualitative difference between 25 and 50 bill?'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the same reason that when Gordon Brown stuck a 50% higher tax rate on in the UK, the tax receipts from that band dropped 6bil, and when they reduced it to 45% they went up'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'your "realism" didn't get my country where it is now.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'by all accounts, we shouldn't even have survived... but...'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, Sonshi, but idealism that you are implying has got the UK where it is now.....'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'suck it up and work harder at governance instead of whining that it's too hard. Maybe you'd actually get results.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't do governance, i do activism'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we'd all do a lot better with far less governance'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'capital fled to evade taxes'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'people can flee to avoid government?'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, the slaves are not allowed to leave the reservation'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you could probably afford a ticket to somalia...'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'arm for bear'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The US nuclear weapons program costs taxpayers $67 billion a year.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spot in the ocean compared to the amount they spend killing innocent brown people abroad'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I find you very schizophrenic sometimes TN'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no such thing as innocent people.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you think that, you're probably not listening'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'taken to it's logical conclusion Rizgoth'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that could be used to justify 9/11'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"I don't agree with things you say, therefore you must be schizophrenic", hrm'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not far from "You don't agree with <x>? You must be racist"'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'no, you support contradictory ideas'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like?'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm not calling you schizophrenic because I disagree with you'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well lets see, if 9.11 hadnt happened, we wouldnt have spent $3 trillion on 2 wars blowing people up.....and bushy could have been the 'education' president :p'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then tell me what are contradictory ideas'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'this coming from someone who thinks (or thought) that people are communist if they support higher taxation?'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people are communist if they support collectivism, and a centrally planned economy'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont have a problem with people who make more than $500k a year paying the top rate of 39.6%.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm still waiting for this contradiction'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'probably needs another tax bracket...'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we do have another tax bracket, but it isnt being used atm.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or better yet, fix the capital gains thing'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the 39.6 bracket is the highest one.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am in favor of increasing the standard deduction to $12,000 though...$25k for married people.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the state play no part in marriage'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd rather have a flat rate tax with no deductions'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'via krugman, BLS data shows that labour share of income is dropping'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all income should be taxed at normal rates, just make the standard deduction larger to help poorer people which is what the ladder system is supposed to do in the first place.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pish'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2011/01/art3full.pdf'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'screw deductions, everyone should pay their share, deductions are an excuse for people to fiddle the system'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'deductions keep you from paying taxes on unrealized gains'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'bogus deductions are what are crippling the system'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a flat tax would cause me to pay much less in income tax, so go for it, but I wont support it :p'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'people who want to cut deductions are really working in the service of the wealthiest people... deductions are worth less than peanuts to those guys.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who it works for is irrelevent'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'this whole deductions debate is just a cheap trick to pit the upper middle class against the poor.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the capital gains tax is going back to the standard rate in 2013.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wait til your tax system is a fucked up as the UK's, then it'll twig why i'd call for a simple flat rate with no deductions'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'our tax system is pretty fucked up as it stands'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it would make sense to exempt the first 20k or so from taxation altogether... saves a lot of red tape too.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, i realised that when they started talking about retroactive taxation'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'as evidenced by Romney paying 13% on the tax return he was confident enough to reveal'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that would also ensure a huge drop in the amount of tax collected, SOnshi'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'nah, wouldn't be that much really'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, the problem is the tax code is over 4000 pages long...it doesnt need to be that complicated....just increase the standard deduction, get rid of half the unnecessary deductions, and cap the capital gains tax at 20% and keep it there for 10 years, and lower the death tax to 5%'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your tax code is weanie'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the death tax is currently almost 50% in the US for anything over $ 5million'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's absurd'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so 6 million is taxed for 3? or 500k?'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, the 1m over 5m would be taxed at 50%'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '500k'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so at 6 million dollars you pay an absolute 8.5%'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '5m is a pretty reasonable some currently. Probably should be set at a multiple of per capita gdp though, so that it doesn't have to be adjusted.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'err, sum'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'flat rate income tax and capital gains tax at 30%, flat rate sales tax at 15%, fueld and narctoics duties, job done'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tax code 5 pages'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There are still ways to reduce the tax load though....just pass some of the money to your heirs via trusts and straight giveaways....you can give $12,000 per year taxfree from your estate before you die.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'flat tax like that and you'd see the poor starve...'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why? they'd be paying less tax than now'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'businesses would shut down, riots in the street, civil war, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that exhibits a complete lack of understanding of the UK tax system'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you ease it in, maybe it'd be tolerated, but you'd be at east european development levels shortly'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what part of "the poor would pay less tax than they do now" didn't you get?'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the poor pay 30% income tax??'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most people just above the $5m death tax deduction usually put the overage in a non revocable trust that pays the heirs a % each year until it runs out.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that way most of it becomes tax free.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the poor don't -pay- income tax'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'except for the heirs who would of course pay income tax.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the death tax as you call it is in lieu of a wealth tax'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmm... sounds like a bad system, since that defeats the point of inheritance taxes...'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not really, the govt gets it money eventually, just not all up front unless you have no will.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'point being that you don't want to build an increasingly large class of slackers who do nothing but live on the productivity of the rest of the country , sustained by their ancestral capital'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't want to build what we have in the UK, and is happening in the US, then'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you have a $6 million business that was left to you from your father when he died.....the first $5 million is tax free...but the last $1 million is not tax free.....how will you come up with the $500k tax....you have to pay it like 90 days after the death.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'generally, labour share of income ought to remain above 2/3 in my opinion... or at least 60%.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the problem, Riz, by reducing the deductable to 2mil, it's going to catch family farms and ranches in that'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is why it is best to put part of the company into trust so that the payments are spread out, and not all up front.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, you don't have to demand payment immediately. The law can be structured to accomodate such cases while preserving the effectiveness'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you have a farm that just about pays it's way, where are you going to find all that extra?'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'haha, you have not dealt with the IRS have you?  They want their money now, not later....the only way to protect your assets is legally.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the trust payout should be taxed at the inheritance tax rate though, not at the income tax level...'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Sure, they will accept a payment plan from you, but it will still benefit them, not you.....just make it easier on yourself and get the trust.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't put a property in trust'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, I'm discussing what policy ought to be, not how it is...'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still waiting for Twyst's contradiction, but it appears he was mistaken and has given up'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not a direct contradiction I guess'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but you recognize the problem and advocate for things that would exacerbate it'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hardly, i advocate things that are pragmatic and in keeping with my ideology'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'like saying that you should have a flat 30% tax on income, the poor would pay less taxes under that scheme, and the poor aren't getting taxed on income now?'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'okay how does a flat tax help the poor and middle class?'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not contradiction, Sonshi, that's a statement of truth'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but for Twyst, i'll explain'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ooookaaaay...'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the majority of taxation in the UK does not come from Income tax, it comes from the myriad of other taxes, many of which are not income bsed'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like that outrageous fuel tax.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by replacing all of the taxes with a flat rate income/CG tax and a sales tax, you do away with all of the non-income, non-expidtiture related taxation'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the typical tax burden of someone on minimum wage is around 60%, it would drop to around 45%'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what taxes are you saying should be scrapped? I don't know what you are referring to because I don't live in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gas here is at $3.04 a gallon...almost in the $2's again !'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the non-income non sales ones'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh... "the typical tax burden of someone on minimum wage is around 60%"'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in STL, they just raised prices to $2.99 from mid 2.80s.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'payroll taxes, council (property) taxes, fuel duty, duty on wines spirits and fags, taxes on electricity, green levies, death duties'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if the normal trend continues as usual, I expect it to drop to below 2.75'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, you benefit from the influx of north dakota oil....because of obama....Texas isnt atm, except for what is sent in by rail.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how can this be Obama is bad for oil...'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no no, because of obama, texas is not benefiting from the north dakota oil....but we are producing 40% more oil per year because of our own shale oil.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'since he cancelled that keystone pipeline.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that pipeline cancellation is what has screwed over the oil industry'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I work in the Oil industry, they are doing plenty fine'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Russia doesn't have the same beurocratic and ideological hangups'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll always do fine'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as long as oil stays above $30 a barrel, the public oil companies will do just fine.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is the govt owned ones that will hurt when the price drops.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'gov't owned oil companies? you mean like the international ones, afaik there are no government owned companies in the USA'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'did I happen to say usa govt owned oil companies?  nope.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fuel is just under $7 a gallon atm thanks to a weak gbp'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, not always.  Wait until battery tech explodes.  Oil's doing fine for one reason and one reason only: none of the competition is anywhere close to the level of dependancy and efficiency as oil and it's related processed components.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'battery tech hasnt changed in 100 years.....I doubt it will change much in the next 20 :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's essentially liquid plastic.  Without plastic, our world ends in an hour (forget about tomorrow).'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'world will end in 9 days unless you give up all your money and rights to Al Gore'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, actually, more like 3 days....the US has a 3 day supply of stuff then we start running out in the stores....'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'big trucks delivery everything in the US....we depend on them for everything....in 3 days...collapse.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so it would make sense to have an alternative to oil then wouldn't it'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for....'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it would, but like I said, nothing is anywhere close.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'natgas works for me until we find something better.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'natgas is 2/3 cheaper than diesel.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps algae bio diesel will replace regular diesel in time.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or perhaps a hybrid electric bio diesel engine.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hydrogen'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or we could invest in finding an even better solution'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hydrogen still depends on fossil fuels to access.  There was a space issue, too, but it's not a big concern anymore.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the sun gives of more energy in 1 second, than has been used by mankind ever'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unfortunately I do not see the US going to hydrogen anytime in the future since it is so fearful that a hydrogen plant could go up like a hydrogen bomb.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'almost none of which we can actually use'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yet'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'solar power is extremely inefficient....makes more sense to use concentrated solar power plants, and not the panels.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'get the price of solar panels to $1 a watt though, and there will be a power revolution.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the ICE is inefficient'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'also you're missing the point, the investment would be to find ways around these problems'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in a sky full of overcrowded flight plans, we probably don't need to be shooting down death rays from space.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure, so that the chinese can steal the designs, and then build them really cheap after we spend billions designing it...no thanks....let them spend the investment, we can focus on bigger and better things....like nanotech.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or just use what we have and research new stuff over time'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'attobots, attack!'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '100 years ago people got around primarily on horses, cities like new york and chicago were drowing in horseshit'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it always looks impossible until it isn't'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'should have realized all that horse shit makes methane.....'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh, I googled "solar power price per watt" and the first result that came up was titled "Buy Solar Panels from 58˘ Per Watt"'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, but I mean solar panels installed for $1 a watt....installation currently adds $2 a watt :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'actually, very little methane is in shit.  The biggest chemical is something else, and it's that chemical that's primarily the cause of why shit stinks.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'import cheap labour'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the Germans know how to run a country....'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'investing over time != do nothing, and investing over time!= bankrupting everyone by sticking huge climate levies on everyone'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they have socialist policies...'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am a social capitalist.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's not hard! All you have to do is convince your neighbours to join a monetary union that you more or less control to your advantage!'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hmm. You could swear Sonshi has been here just a second ago. You wonder where he went ...
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'taxation in germany is much lower than US or UK'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and their social nets are much broader and actually ask you to participate, not sit at home watching oprah.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they do have a 41% payroll tax though'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Tax rates in germany from 0-45% average 29.8'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'wow, so 41% payroll tax, which is lower than in the us or uk. Ok.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like the german apprentice program.....they currently have 31,000 openings right now because they cant find enough young germans to join.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'on top of income taxes, vat...'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"can't find enough people to join" is code for "they're not paying enough"'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, they pay quite well after the training ends.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'companies moan about not being able to find enough workers all the time, when what they mean is that they aren't willing to pay enough to get the workers.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and you get free medical care with no deductible.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"quite well" is relative'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'instead of going to college, you go to a govt training program that lasts 3-4 years with a company like Ford or BMW'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'these are all things that will supposedly destroy America as per the Republicans'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'where you learn how to become an engineer, or something else for the company.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'don't most countries have stuff like that anyway?'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not really...they have small programs, or union based training programs'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sometimes called "streaming"'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not a large country based apprentice program'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how does 29.8% average income tax + 41% payroll tax equate to an overall average tax burden of 39%? dodgy stats wins!'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'technical schools?'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you pay for technical schools.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i make that nearer 60%, which is pretty much similar to UK tax burden'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i.e "way too fucking high"'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there are millions of jobs in the US market that nobody is applying for.  It's a combination of factors, including experience standards and an unwillingness to invest time/money in entry-level applicants.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not if the govt's running them!'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but you said they had lower tax rates than US and UK and we disagreed w/ you'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or at least, not too much'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well the headline rate is lower'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'was reading about one girl who was in the german apprenticeship program....she finished grade school and joined the govt run apprenticeship program...right out of school she was making $2000 a month plus free healthcare, and on the job training from Ford.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they need highly-experienced workers, now, not a couple years down the road after customer relationships in a bad market have been damaged.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'plus free room subsidized by Ford and the govt.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'when he graduates from the program she will be a full union member of the Ford design team in europe with a base pay of around $35 an hour plus benefits.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one reason why younger people treat these programs at a discount is that some know that acquiring skills specific to one company or industry will mean that there's a good chance of getting screwed over in negotiations later...'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'still generally good for the economy, of course'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unions are really strong in Germany, unlike the US.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for now...'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are they as corrupt?'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, pretty much everyone in Germany is pro union, because most of the jobs are union.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'unions are really strong here.  Vast sections of some markets are union-only.  It's actually illegal for companies to hire non-union workers there.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unions are largely pointless here, some offer some useful legal cover, but that's about it'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and most trade unions are nepotistic.  You're not getting in unless you know someone, but technically you're free to apply.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'our trade union congress back home runs large businesses. I'm not sure how they're supposed to be a union.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am pretty much pro union, except for the teachers union, or any union that allows someone to double or triple dip.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm pro-union provided membership is voluntary'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'generally voluntary unions ends up being no unions'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the teachers union protects crappy teachers because of the tenure system.....'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and also provided their action doesn't get in my way'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you wouldn't support compulsory churches, why would you support compulsory unions?'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'voluntary membership isn't always voluntary, especially if there's collective bargaining involved'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'should offer teachers a deal... double their pay in exchange for disbanding their unions for the next two decades.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if a non-compulsory union is no union, it couldn't be much cop'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The Rise and Fall of Great Empires.....good book....most large empires usually bankrupt themselves because they overextend themselves fighting unnecessary wars or defending lands far off that have nothing to do with them.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't know who you could possibly be referring to, Riz'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I dunno if that's true so much anymore, given how much globalism has pervaded our culture.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I guess we will find out when the US debt reaches $25 trillion.....about $11 trillion from now. :p'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will the $11 trill extra make any difference?'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'what's more frightening is how fast we'll go through that 11 trillion'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'you'd think it'd take years, but it won't'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I mean, we can go anywhere pretty much instantly, we can position forces locally pretty much anywhere, stuff/people from everywhere come here, and so forth.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'a couple of % uptick in growth with realistic taxation and the debt dissappears'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'probably take 10 years to get to 25 trillion at the rate we are currently going.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'won't happen, twyst'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the deficit this year will be around $1.1 trillion.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I think the world would get seriously messed up if a nation took to proper isolationist responsibilities.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'you'd also have to curb spending, and not increase it as you work down the debt, which won't happen'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'prob be lower next year. and there on.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a lot more than 10 years, actually, unless some crazy guy (coughgopcough) starts another war.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll be less than 10 years if you keep voting monkies in'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the DoD is killing the USA'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'like cancer'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'with expenses from the wars expected to tail off, slow economic recovery, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as oil and gas ramps up though, and more good jobs are made.....the deficit will start going down like it did during clinton years.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not even that, Raz.  Our entire society is based on the moving and selling of goods and services.  If the bidirectional trap switched to a unidirectional flow, someone's going to panic hard.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could solve your deficit instantly by changing your foreign policy'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if someone non crazy like clinton gets a couple of terms after this, the deficit should be fixed in 10 years or so'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We could get 100 predator drones for each of those new raptor f-22 jets.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahem'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the whole point is not how to spend the money more efficiently, but not to spend it all'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'predators are so obsolete now.  So many more and cooler toys the DoD boys don't want you to have.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unmanned warfare if the future.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rather is the future.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what's the point of spending 10 times more than #2 when #2-15 are you're friends'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well if you stopped blowing up brown people, you wouldn't need to spend all that money'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what is a brown person ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'is that an alien ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'africans and westerly asian people.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'primarily afghan or pakistani, riz, but is a blanket term to cover africans too'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'arabs are not brown...they are olive. :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you stopped blowing them up and wrecking their countries, they might hate you a bit less, too'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, they should be hating you guys instead, since you started the whole problem in the first place. :p'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'until their food sources dry up or drown, then they'll help us for not helping out.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'err, hate us.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, they will always have the chinese to sell oil to.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'people used to hate the british colonialists... until they realised that they were simply incompetent.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the US now has more oil resources than Saudi Arabia.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'at least the debate has progress from "they hate us for our Freedom"'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like that idiot chavez saying he is going to cut off the US from venezuelan oil....hello....he sells 48% of his oil to the US.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a couple more decades of gearing-up and we'll in practical terms be pushing out more oil than them.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'he's not an idiot for saying that...'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'especially when he's obviously not considering actually doing anything like that'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the international market won't care if the US stops buying oil.  We just don't buy enough of it to make an impact.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'venezuala used to sell much more to the US, but chavez commie ways has lowered oil production by almost 50% in the last 8 years.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that wasn't purely caused by Chavez.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure it was, he stopped investing in the oil fields.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and nationalized most of the oil fields.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that orinoco field is one of the largest in the world....over 400 billion barrels of recoverable heavy high sulphur oil, but he booted out Exxon, the company that had the technology to extract the heavy oil, from the country and nationalized the field.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and he also moved the country half an hour in time.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even the world court says what Venezuala did was wrong, and that they owe Exxon somewhere around $10 billion for its investment in the field.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is good that the domestics can pour cash into domestic oil and gas supplies though.....it just makes more sense to extract the energy here at home while we can before fusion power takes over.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The F-35 program is slated to cost $1.5 trillion over its lifetime'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a waste of money.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I wonder how many species in the history of the universe perfected killing themselves without ever escaping their destined solar annihilation.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but we if we get attacked by space aliens like in Independence day or Transformers :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if our current understanding of the universe is correct, then based on what we already know apparently all of them.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Cutting Pentagon spending recognizes that national security is more than military power. The United States is stronger with a strong economy, sustainable jobs, investment in education, renewal of our infrastructure and a sensible energy strategy. Continuing to waste money when our nation should have other priorities is bad policy and bad for security.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'successful or not, nobody's going home when they invade another planet.  Unless "home" happens to be in a same star system being invaded.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I was being facetious of course the f-35 and f-22 is a big ass waste of money'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so far as we know, the only thing that can move faster than light is space-time itself (the "container" for everything else we are aware of in the universe).'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the fed reserve is going to spend $45 billion of new debt each month to buy debt.....I love this economic policy....but it does make sense....you buy old debt with high interest rates with new debt at lower interest rates and save money overall.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're buying up mortgages iirc'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We should save $18 billion a year and shut down the DEA.'
T3/r7/2012-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we should save $3,000,000,000,000 a year and shut down the USA...'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a landowner in northwest louisiana won the natgas lottery.....he was paid a bonus check of $1.27 million, and gets 25% of the production value of the wells on his land.....putting the natgas value of his property at $225 million.'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'He was also lucky to have WET gas production with the wells on his land.....making it much more valuable.'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'DRY natgas production is down almost 50% in the US right now because of a natgas glut......use more gas!'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You watch a beaver's gills ruffle as Santher shrieks, "GILLFREAK!!"
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lots of crap in the news tonight, you've got the left wing media in Colorado putting own some pretty absurd pot scare stories where clearly the journo writing it hasn't done their research'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Argentina is in hyperinflation'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and Harry Belafonte proved live on TV why marxists should be seen and not heard'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ohhh yeah, and Psychiatrists new manual, DSM5 classifies human emotion as a mental order. Just what the liberals need to imprison everyone and take their guns'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps being a psychiatrist should be classified as a mental disorder, after all, there's historical precedent'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, spat is forming about Russia involvement in the poisoning of an MI6 ex-Russian agent'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and UK government coughs up $3.5m to a Libyan dissident who was illegally "deported" to Libya to be tortured by the Gadaffi regime. The settlement has not stopped another victim pressing for a court case, so looks like they'll need to cover it up in court, or kill the man'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ratings agency puts UK on "negative outlook" but remains AAA rated'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK and USA block UN internet treaty, treaty would give every signatory country equal say in development, clearly would stifle USA/UK's ability to spy on others'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i went to do some work at a childrens centre on the local army base here a few years back, was confronted with guards with machine guns, wasn't a terribly endearing experience'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops mis'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how nice, the new death tax in 2013 will be 55% on anything over $ 1 million.'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'what is death tax'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'only if you die before they fix the estate tax.'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'inheritance tax'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'so when you leave money to relatives it is taxed?'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure is'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and it doesnt matter if it is a business or cash'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'wow, people are sick. Is that UK too?'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the tax is the same and it is due 90 days after you die.'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'inheritance taxes serve a purpose'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'keep us from become pre revolution france'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'for amounts over about ome million. I think this year it was only on amounts over about 5 million.'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'if you are a professional gambler in UK you don't have to pay any tax '
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'if you made a bet with your relative for their net worth that they'd die, I don't see how UK can enforce payment of death tax.'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'it wouldn't work in the US though. They really hate gamblers in US and tax everything.'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'professional gambling is a legal profession in the US though, and as long as it is your profession according to your tax return, you can deduct the losses from your winnings.'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'yup, in UK it doesn't even count as a proper profession.'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'regular people can deduct 5% of gambling losses from income also.'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rather, 5% of income can be deducted by gambling losses....another 5% can be deducted by giving to charity.'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'there are loopholes everywhere'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'not that I'm overly interested in tax-evasion, I pay all the tax that I'm required to'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you all sign the petition calling for the US to build the Death Star?'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada looks at Hanslanda ponderingly.
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'nah we're working on the debt star right now, death star won't be started for...10 years or so'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Won't a Death Star attract Rebel Alliance fighers and other terrorists?'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'but yeah, we're planning on assembling the death star soon as we disassemble the overpaid US military. then inviting all muslim extremists over for a white house supper!'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'probably not.  It'd be more pointless than a nuke.  At least you could potentially use a nuke.'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I hear drones are cheaper than death stars'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'can't really potentially use a nuke'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'rofl we absolutely can potentially use a nuke. no clue why that's even on debate channel'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it would be beyond retarded'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'using one won't blow the planet into rocky ruin, though, which is what the Death Star is designed to do.  Don't think it has a low-power setting.'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'more interesting is..in which situation would it be beneficial for the US to use nuclear weapons?'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'there is none, you'd have to be mentally challenged'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'anywho, the deadline for formal response from the White House is tomorrow and the Death Star petition made the cut.'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'if you can use conventional wapons (say, funny bunker busting bombs with totally safe depleted uranium) to destroy almost anything, there doesn't seem to be much use'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'aside from Nagasaki and Hiroshima?'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'unless time travel is possible, we are talking about today are we not or in the future'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'In the vent shaft that goes to the power generator. We will need an automatic sealing system to detonate any rogue missiles.'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'then we should be solid'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'hm..do I need to look at the NIC report on global trends'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the world today is slowly coming to recognize that the nuclear deterrant is merely a bluff backed by a very real and obviously devastating capability.  That said, I suppose it would be within calculated loss limits to use one in a potential conflict where we prove we weren't bluffing.  Trouble is, nobody's yet brave enough to actually test the bluff.'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'sounded good though'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'rofl, mis'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the nukes we have today make nagasaki and hiroshima look like bottle rockets'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'sure do'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'W88 is around 250 times more powerful'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so even though we might not be in the blast radius, nuclear winter is a very real possibility'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'so was Y2K...'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if not for us, than one of our various allies'
T3/r7/2012-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'using a nuclear weapon is the equivalent of tossing a grenade in a room you are currently occupying...i.e not feasible'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'beginning to wonder if gun manufacturers are behind mass shootings'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'why?  so states pass law banning the products they sell?'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Not Guilty Kojiro SMACKS Tigernuts upside the head, wonder what he did.
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well the result of these is only to push gun sales up'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'if that actually happens, its temporary b/c people are afraid the states will ban sales'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'Obama has sold more guns than anything the gun manufacturesr could cook up'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can bet your arse that it'll turn out the gunman was on a cocktail of prescription antidepressants'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'good bet'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i bet it's "too soon" to talk about gun control?'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but no, let's blame guns, not blame the stupid way that MDs fuck people's lives up'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'they force people to eat pills?'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people trust doctors'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(wrongly imho)'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '22 children slashed by knife-wielding adult at elementary school in China'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe time to consider arming the staff'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Just caught the new from CT. One of the collateral damages of the massacre is that we can't even say "unbelievable' any longer.'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'news*'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm waiting for one of the wonkier news channels to start having a high score table'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Shouldn't be long before some numbskull has something lugubrious to say about the "senseless" killings, as opposed to what? All the sensible ones?'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Didn't understand that, Tiger. High score table?'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bodycount, rhavage'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'who has the most devastating massacre'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ahhh, ok, gotcha.'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if those kids had guns though'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what is propogated via culture, whether it's gangster culture on mtv, or violent video games that they let youngsters play '
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Can't disagree with that. We're so desensitized.'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'add to that all the prescription drugs they force on people these days, add it a bit of Facebook, materialism, and godlessness, and you have a perfect storm'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, considering that there's not much of anything that Obama could have said, what he just *did* say was as good as it could be.'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shame Obama isn't quite so interested in all the innocent brown people his administration blows up'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'have to pick your battles TN'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '- 5'
T3/r7/2012-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they might accuse you of attacking the second amendment'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'remember the Pussy Riot band in Russia?  if you go to tubegalore.com on the prison section, there's a video claims to have them in it'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sure glad not russian huh, got some ideological conformity to conform to and all though, freedom of thoughtcrimes etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not unique to there though, just seen a article the other day from alabama claims the prison guards there were raping them all for years'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i dont think removing people's right to lawfully possess weapons is a solution to the problem, since criminals will invariably have weapons available to them for decades to come - things like burning a book versus burning down several churches and dismembering the 'unbeliever' seem more like the problem to me - and building laws around their 'sensitivities' as you see them complain about yule/christmas and things as being horrendous to them'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe requiring gun lockers instead of having them strewn around etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i notice on latimes that there's an article about the type of person he is, shy/timid - i wondered what he was thinking when i sat behind him in class, he wouldn't meet my eyes - this is the asocial used in nazi germany history stories though, depending on how they're trying to evolve - as long as they don't take advice from the grand mufti of jerusalem or classify people based upon what they know not , what they have in mind'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lol @ the mexicans stopping their bridge decorations for a week when the pope comes -> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2117178/Mexican-drug-cartel-leaves-10-severed-heads-street-warning-rivals-week-Popes-visit.html'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's demented, jesus has that kind of affect on people'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe he should move there so they stop a little longer'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'new jerusalem is a place called munster germany, (pronounced monster) haha, they hung it's inhabitants in cages still hanging from a church there'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nice to see you back, chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'liberal conformity to foreign muslim alteration of your laws, anti-semitism accusations feared with prison time, medial support for 'war on terror' missing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haj_Amin_al-Husseini somehow?  isn't that interesting, according to this article, he was schooled in catholics silent mexico in turkey, and advised adolf hitler and mussolini during world war 2, also being a original member of muslim brotherhood, which america seems to be supporting, while being led by several jewish administrators'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's almost too big of a detail to miss isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'could be fiction too though, they provide alot of reference material'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Reform_and_the_Psychology_of_Totalism notice any similarities to any systems in your life or observe in others?'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nother interesting 'hai' -> see what they may study in sweden and taiwan , 'dehumanization fictionalization' in google, Humanity Dehumanized: Fordian and Freudian Models in Huxley's'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh great. It's an early Christmas curse, I mean present. The Lord of the Tinfoil Hats: The Return of Chemosh.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'tinfoil hat: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20622289 Swedish artist uses 'ashes from Holocaust victims''
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe bbq potatoe haha'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, and? There are actual laws in Sweden which will see him prosecuted.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's how you make them, in tinfoil'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's like saying "U.S. Citizen Adam Lanza massacred kids!" means the U.S. hatse kids.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i looked up queen of sweden cause there was woman on internet who claimed to be royalty there and seen she comes from  , like people say bush conspiracy steel factory nazi, same thing'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seems there was some kind of scandal about her awhile back'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but, you're probably right'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Isn't there currently a case of a cannibal lady who kept skulls, bones and other parts of human bodies in her home but the police are having a difficult time pinning her for crimes because her jurisdiction doesn't have a unilateral law that makes it criminal to disturb someone's remains without their consent?'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In Sweden, she'd be appearing in right as we speak.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The fuck are you on about now, Chemosh? The Queen of Sweden is of German descent.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The only scandals involving her is that her father may or may not have been a Nazi and that she somehow has an inexplicably inability to get rid of her German accent when speaking Swedish.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But let's perpetuate random rumors you're not even clear on yourself for the sake of discrediting someone else because apparently making their (symbolic) regents look bad somehow reflects badly on them.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, but tinfoil hat was the mention of it with george bush'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I don't even understand what you're on about about tinfoil hats and George W. Bush.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Oh hey Chemosh!  Been a while since you've been around.  Have you banished the demons yet?'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The tinfoil hat comment had absolutely nothing to do with what you just said (nor was there anything in there indicating such a link). It was about your overall penchant for embracing every single conspiracy theory in the world.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i see they study it in estonia too though'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ';)'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, Chemosh, just a heads up. If someone maligns U.S. citizens for electing George W. Bush (1.5 times!), it's not really a prudent response to malign their regents.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because, you see, people don't actually elect their regents in the Real World (tm). They are either born or married into such families.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they have a source, either in deceit or misconception or accuracy'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'getting to the root of things is what i'm interested in'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Aaand that made absolutely no sense.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like yuri bezmenov in his kgb defector video about 82% of the kgb's resource spending'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'disinformation , ideological subversion, normalization, etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i know about the hereditary system of slavery'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'do you think that nurse really killed herself for receiving  a prank call?'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'remember the mid-eastern doctor talking of the problems the reporters must have been facing in their 'gutted' feelings, and how terrified and sincere they were on their followup interview, like a wet bag of cocaine extracted from a spanish smuggler's tits on the heel's of 'crack and heroine being better than alcohol''
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nice psychologist knows it all what they're thinking'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't think they really killed themselves'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'conspiracy by the Royal family?'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'about the unknown, but they know who they are if i'm right'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'a far-out conspiracy: 1804 haitian genocide of the remaining french, 1960-1980 visit by king of ethiopea to receive necklace of man who did that genocide, ark of covenant (old testament) in coptic ethipoean church, zuma's speech on being blessed by heaven until jesus returns (new testament)'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but, there's always new jerusalem renamed to munster to 'roll up as a scroll' the verifying unbelievers of nondeception'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'another one is 'pearl harbour' genesis 9:11 covenant on floods (ot), mentioned as waters are people's in the book of revelation (nt), mobilization of america to war google search 'kickthemallout dual citizen' look at report mentioned on page if it's real or not, mandatory circumcision of the flesh practiced in america and canada from 1960-1990 or so'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some conspiracy's that i thought were pretty amazing, like that 'syria danny' from england'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'interesting*'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'another thing i noticed is that the places muslims consider sacred 'black muzlim or not' were once centers of so-called historical significance of other belief systems, like the mount where jesus spoke from is one of those, also another in saudi arabia - the third i'm not sure of'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so it's holiness seems to be 'my god is bigger than your god, see, we replaced him with ours''
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'fighting terrorism, human trafficking, illegal drug trafficking. http://www.news.az/articles/politics/73753 hmm, only first said fighting, but maybe it's inclusive of the rest with statues in mexico haha http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/azerbaijan/index.html see some israel but no vatican hmm'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're probably not up to no good though, i just thought the wording was funny'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'But the main question in any expert assessment is taken from Griboyedovs "Woe from Wit" - "Who are the judges?" http://www.news.az/articles/politics/73765 Freedom House = Coldwar House?'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'No one understands the seriousness of what has happened, he said. Now it is fashionable to go to demonstrations. They are taking a risk without fully understanding the risk which exists. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/24/world/europe/young-and-connected-office-plankton-protesters-stir-russia.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why it's no good to go on protests or be connected to anything like this computer which records every single thing you do on it, things like the 1930's extermination of thought-criminals'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen about that like .. 18 years ago '
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think that's what he means, what about you?'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the country will take the road to the creation of the second USSR. http://news.am/eng/news/132657.html see where this is heading'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'human rights museum in canada any relation to future USSR?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skidmore_College (female school in new york), http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine_Predock , In his testimony the Senior Research Fellow for Russian and Eurasian Studies and International Energy Policy, The Kathryn and Shelby Cullom Davis Institute for International Studies -- i was talking about building museum of human rights next to white house on yahoo about 8 years ago'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'tldr'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'frankfurt german, east german (stasiland) assistant secretary of state is interesting too, i geuss he wasn't turned russian'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'at least they didn't take me by surprise, hey?  i see that genocide murdercult my whole life like the movies about the ghetto's in ww2'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm thankful to not have reproduced into the slave factory of corpsepiles'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's the threat that kept the employees developing the museum from being able to talk about theikr experiences there '
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the communist russian scum that i thought they was'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or is it soviet, whatever they were that gulag death camp people'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sort of like baroness cox keeps her mouth shut on evil islam for Azerbaijan , which cooperates with iran, as it operates texas comptrollers, while meeting in early 2013 with the second ussr politician from armenia'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'get help'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i took from it anyways, and their 'occupied lands' new world order meeting with subordinate military's from united states, china, russia and other countries in their military education facility'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as they hand the credentials to the obedient king of belgium'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.news.az/articles/politics/73296 see, why europe is an islam now'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.news.az/articles/politics?page=4 look through it, that's what i seen from it - i could be misinterpreting but i doubt in the good intentions of anybody'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'especially if they got links to something i invented'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'also, notice how many things they have planned for 2013'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Working group of US congress on Azerbaijan expands to 42 people http://www.news.az/articles/politics/73372'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.news.az/articles/politics/73327 The military attaches of the United States, Russia, Turkey, Great Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Iran, China, Ukraine, Georgia, Pakistan, Czech Republic, Belarus, Bulgaria, Slovakia, Latvia, Holland, Poland, Austria, Finland, Hungary, Zimbabwe met at the military unit of the country as part of the briefing on the peacekeeping division.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so how do you interpret that? '
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Attaché is a French term in diplomacy referring to a person who is assigned ('attached') to the diplomatic or administrative staff of a higher placed person or another service or agency. Depending on custom, 'attaché' may be modified to correspond to the gender (i.e., 'attachée').'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: '"Don't believe everything you read on the internet." - Abraham Lincoln'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tanto: '^'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i believe in death'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and these're all people with all kinds of administrative authority to cause it'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tanto: 'The day you were born you started dying'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tanto: 'Accept it as your fate and move on'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mexico's consiered one of their 'occupied lands' which filed the lawsuit against yahoo which closed it down through their 'yellow pages' court case, '
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'with statues and things like drug trafficking and human trafficking mentioned in an article'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cause statues from there in mexico are sacred'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'oh well, search and ye shall find right'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i like to know that the devil is beyond human fiction'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i bet they never thought i'd find the process of that museum and all of the filth surrounding it'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you are a mastermind'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'underestimating the power of einsteins ignorance'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izzy_Asper is a closer link to the museum though, the other way wasn't 'anti-semitic'  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CanWest The CMHR was the dream of CanWest founder Izzy Asper as a place where students from across Canada could come to learn about human rights.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Museum_for_Human_Rights'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'seriously man get a grip'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think got a good one there'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if only we were all our own countries and could have started this game from scratch'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see that?  the son of musicians who had emigrated from the Ukraine. -> USSR'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_O._Melia ->  (born May 28, 1957 in Frankfurt, Germany) is Deputy Assistant Secretary of State in the Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor, at the United States Department of State.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you on a commie hunt, chemosh?'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Chemosh is cracking'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'east germany frannkfurt -> Stasi ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasi -> The Ministry for State Security (German: Ministerium für Staatssicherheit, MfS), commonly known as the Stasi (IPA: [??t??zi?]) (abbreviation German: Staatssicherheit, literally State Security), was the official state security service of the German Democratic Republic or GDR (informally known as East Germany). It has been described as one of the most effective and repressive intelligence and secret police agencies in the world.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see how far back debate history goes'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'check it out, i just put it up for conversation since it's all public sector'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sort of like finding that museum without running the thought-terminating 'anti-semitic' cliche'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'wasn't racist'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's like seeing one half of a conversation'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah commie hunt, you might see it in history -h or not but look on www.tubegalore.com in their prison section, remember the pussy riot protestors of mary'sputin from russia and look what kind of a video that is'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see that's what i always expected, that's what they got in mind for things like that human rights museum, like the genocide of the 1930's'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i suspect anyways'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'hunt the good hunt at least, i seen what nobody else acknowledges'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Officials had originally hoped to open the museum in 2012, but later set a goal of finishing construction in 2012 and opening in 2013. -- another 2013 for confirmation'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're waiting till 2014 now'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'looks like from that, most american debt is actually foreign nation's debts'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most american debt is fake derivatives signed onto by the banks'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even if foreign nation's cia's like the ussr are the ones installing themselves into all the financial decision making spots?'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'hmm, i'd say that wasn't their debt then, that's the ussr's'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not foreign nations, it's bankers'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they should have to pay themselves back'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'from countries they belong in'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not necessary related toa country, they're globalists, they don't care about countries'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll play the USSR off just like they do USA and Europe'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are factions, granted, some might be originally american, some may be originally russian'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'biggest group atm is american/european'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'JP Morgan, Goldman Sacchs'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'traitors shouldn't incur debt on the majority of people who don't lead themselves'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was talking to an engineer/fabricator friend who works for a medium sized food production company, like everywhere else, there's now a culture of 'management', there is nobody who knows how to do anything anymore, we only have a management class and a drone class'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's an accurate synonym to what is happening in the wider world'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'follows parallels to the USSR in the early 20th century'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you see it most obviously in government departments and public service where we continually end up getting less and less and less for more and more money'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i couldn't afford to choose to go to school to do something useful, but at least i see more why now'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pointless now, everything is owned by government/corps, where's it going to get you? can't afford property in this day and age'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, you might in certain parts of america, but likely to be dispossessed by the state sooner or later'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go live in a shoebox shoehorned in on top of all the other serfs, sit down, shut up, and do what your god and master tells you'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Hmmm. Well, I'm sitting on 37 acres in upstate NY, right in the heart of dairy country. I'm having a difficult time imagining why the government would dispossess me.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends if you're in a zone earmarked for "no human habitation"'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'otherwise you'll probably be fine except for the ever higher property taxes and usage limitations'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I'm certain that I'm not. This is all croplands and woods.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what it is doesn't matter, you'll need to check the agenda 21 plans'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Can't deny that the taxes here are pretty steep, though.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll get higher'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the thing about collectivism, they intend to "collect" it all'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Agenda 21?'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UN-centric plan for USA for land usage'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'many cities in the USA already have A21-based expansion and building plans'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'just googling it now...'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the US runs the UN'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, twyst, the other way around'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://034515a.netsolhost.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Agenda-21.jpg'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'US provides funding and is on the permanent Security council'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep, US is being fed off'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'US single handedly shields Israel from all scrutiny, how can they be run by the UN'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't have literal control'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing in absolute'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yes no literal control, but the UN can't touch the US'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'at all'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't need to, it's being bankrupted by it'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'US is being bankrupted by the attempt at Hegemony'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and our psuedo Aristocracy'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not 'yours''
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'see, that's why you don't get it'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'these people you think are american aristocrats have absolutely no allegience to the US'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are a big fat tick'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or a vampire'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do you think they screwed up the economy in the first place? they had their own interests in mind, not the people, not the country'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I can agree w/ that'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you think the Goldman Sachs gang that now runs all the central banks in the EU states, EU central banking, World bank, and high level foreign policy think tanks like the Trilateral Commission, you think they have the people's interests at heart?'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you are going to see collectivism dressed up as socialism at a low level, but in reality at the higher level it will be corporate fascism, combination of government and banking/insurance corporations'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obamacare was one such instance, we already have our healthcare system subverted in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'central banks have been subverting by corporate banking'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they only need control of the purse'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the foreign policy'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it then doesn't matter what you or i think, nothing short of revolution stops it'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'purse and foreign policy have been under their control since Reagan'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Obamacare is about the 30+ million uninsured Americans'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so that's why you see them pulling out all the stops to distract the 'little folk' with shinies, anything to distract them'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it's not'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's about creating a monopoly market for health insurance providers and pharma corps'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they want you to believe it's about the 30+ million uninsured Americans'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah because the douchenozzle republicans would never go for single payer'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it were about 30+ million uninsured Americans it would be government run insurance'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it isn't about republicans'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're a bunch of dumbarses who do what they're told, no different to the liberals'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only good thing is that you are starting to see some civil liberty blowback, both here in the UK and in the US, but it's awfully little, awfully late, and often mistargeted'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well i will agree about their divide and conquer strategies'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your only chance, as the USA, is to try and get good, constitutional people in at a state and local level and flex your muscles with the  10th ammendment'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'never gonna happen'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll notice Obama came out and said he wasn't going to openly target Colorado and Washington for now'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he knows he can't have a fight'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he doesn't need to'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'there are two ways to look at it and you look at it that way'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'another interpretation is he is paying lip service to the law when he doesn't give a shit'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally he might not, which is fine'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and potentially favors decriminlization'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but if he -was- to pick a fight, it would bring up all those supporters of pot and they'd all hitch onto the 10th ammendment'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which gives it massive advertisement - most people don't know what it is, what it's for'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the tenth amendment is a good check on federal gov'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but state gov's are not miraculously better'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'notice that some people, mostly republicans who don't like decriminalisation, have come out and (wrongly) said that states can't overturn laws from congress?'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the 10th ammendment and the 18th ammendment crucify that standpoint'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's absolutely no case'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but they are hypocrites'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, i know, which is why people need to be told, they need to understand, from the lowest to the highest level'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it doesn't fracture along party lines because there are some in both parties against the decrim'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'a large percentage of american probably think africa is a country'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'nothing to tell them'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they must learn'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have to at least try'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why i go on about the constitution so much, it's nothing to do with left/right, or tax ideology, that's all open to discussion'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the constitution, the whole point of it is to protect the people against government'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for American's it's like having a superweapon sitting in the draw and most people don't even know it's there, or what it does'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I think it's a lost cause'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is that why they seem to try to make people exceedingly stupid?'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Winston Churchill said it best'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if that's true, then you're all screwed, and i'll be screwed, just later'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you know what they said about Winston Churchill, right?  It takes an organizational genius to create a shortage of fish and oil on an island surrounded by both.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but he was emminently quotable'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'to be fair, so what Hitler.  I don't think Churchill would've made a bad Hitler, all in all.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe genius, but i keep things like this in mind too: "The Engineering of Consent" is an essay by Edward Bernays first published in 1947.[1] He defines "engineering consent" as the art of manipulating people'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'specifically, the American public, who are described as "fundamentally irrational people... who could not be trusted."'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not neccessarily very smart if you pick on people before they learn how to know better, to be manipulated'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'politics, in general, operates on that central tenet, Chemosh.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Propoganda" by Edward Bernays is on my xmas present list'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyway, off for some riffs, defending makes my eyes go funny'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, did you see what I did there?'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i didn't'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Greenberg et al. (1990)[20] had Christian participants evaluate other Christian and Jewish students that were similar demographically, but differed in their religious affiliation. After being reminded of their death (experimental MS induction), Christian participants evaluated fellow Christians more positively, and Jewish participants more negatively, relative to the control condition. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terror_management_theory mad science huh?  http://www.skidmore.edu/'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'other one had something about palestinians on it, similar to the 2010 movie, the killing room, i'll seee if i can dig it up again and put it here'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'actor in paranormal activity went to school there'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheldon_Solomon one of their masterminds on psychology'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_from_Death In a recent study, the research team discovered that reminding Palestinians of their own death through subconscious means inspired conscious shifts in opinion towards wanting to become suicide bombers.[citation needed]'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '(2009 instead) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Killing_Room check it out if you're into a interactive psychological horror novel, maybe them saying it's not fiction in the movie is fictional'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'an armed country is a country where the nazi's have to watch their backs!'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i see a bunch of crazy countries with bombs and stuff can shoot them 15,000 kilometres and watch you from the sky and things like that'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't see why guns should be illegal, since they're not the only way to kill somebody, but are the main one used by organized killers'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'also by disorganized killers.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'crooks get their guns anyways, like if a crook is in a place with a bunch of unarmed toothless wolves he can take over the pack by holding a gun to it's leaders head and threatening to bite, and the other wolves wouldn't dare approach - but if they had teeth then that wouldn't be a guarantee'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like even in b.c canada, they found a rpg weapon in the bush'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'military or crate from some other country from america'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'smartening people up intellectually along with social oppression decreasing would be a more acceptable solution to the problem that won't go away'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'Hello Chemosh, you are back!'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'far as i'm concerned, i should be able to go to the store and purchase every single arms type ever sold from here to another country'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Destructive grenades--frags, incendiaries, white phosphorus--are a totally different story. They are classed as Destructive Devices. To get one you need to file a form, get approval from the sheriff, get fingerprinted, go through a background check and pay a $200 tax for every grenade you want. It's not worth it. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_civilians_buy_grenades'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but it's ok to sell to strangers in africa and other places cause they'll just use them on eachother or you'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i always wondered how come america wouldn't let canada have a military, anybody know?'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'probably like they made sure they can't havea weapons either'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'canada does have a military, Chem.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'where's the nuclear and atomic and hydrogen bombs and stuff?'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe there is none hmm, like second hand subs from britain'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'chem.. you might want to take your nationalism bull elsewhere.'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the cost of manufacturing a jet using all of the available information and capitalizing on it would be alot cheaper than 95 million dollars too'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or 180'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nationalize some raw material sources and start up a factory for a fraction of the cost and a indefinite increase on security from trusting the traitor internationalists'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'raise employment rate at the same time, have some extra money to spend on education'
T3/r7/2012-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what they should be doing, phasing out foreign monopoly'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/12/video-captures-rapid-gunfire-at-fashion-island-mall-.html another 'mass-shooting' except this time nobody got hurt, that's weird isn't it?  4 in a year'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, it's no more of a mass shooting than new year's, really'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'new years?  '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The year 2100 will see eugenics universally established. In past ages, the law governing the survival of the fittest roughly weeded out the less desirable strains. Then mans new sense of pity began to interfere with the ruthless workings of nature. As a result, we continue to keep alive and to breed the unfit.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The only method compatible with our notions of civilization and the race is to prevent the breeding of the unfit by sterilization and the deliberate guidance of the mating instinct. Several European countries and a number of states of the American Union sterilize the criminal and the insane. This is not sufficient. The trend of opinion among eugenists is that we must make marriage more difficult. Certainly no one who is not a desirable parent should be permitted to produce progeny. A century from now it will no more occur to a normal person to mate with a person eugenically unfit than to marry a habitual criminal.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2012/11/19/tesla-eugenics-and-rationalizing-dehumanization/'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so murdercultists like run the world today are doing a good service to mankind, in their un-natural butcher shop of inherited worth, i guess'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Heavy oil refineries on the gulf coast of the US are currently running at 81% because of a lack of heavy crude oil which normally comes from Venezuela and Mexico......that keystone pipeline needs to be built so that the refineries can get back to 95% or higher production rates.  Production in mexico and venezuela are expected to keep dropping, creating a huge window of opportunity for canadian heavy oil exports to the US gulf coast.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://panicend.com/de.html that's pretty coold look at fear'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen an article on google awhile ago that claimed north korea torpedoed the gulf rig and that was covered up'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'probably lies though, there was also the article i found on google for 'great war korea' that claimed it threatened a new world war before the us and korean elections in october'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'And they probably used a rubber ducky since that is the only north korean boat that can actually float.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you think so?  i'm not sure about them people'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it took them 20 years to launch a missile correctly, I seriously doubt they have the naval power to launch a long distance submarine program.  Few wealthy nations can do it today, let alone the cuba of asia.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, but they're directly connected to russia and china, who seem to have their hands in everything'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'also one of the oldest surviving nations on earth at over 2500 years, behind china at over 3500 and egypt at around 6000'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'china and russia are not going to sell nuclear submarines to north korea, and if they did, we would know about it.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in the satellite age, no one launches a submarine without others knowing about it, and it wouldnt surprise me if we had routine spy satellites watching over that area all the time.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i guess, i've never seen what kind of security a nation has and how trustworthy it is - but i did see alot of possibilities with technology that are to avoid detection and stuff, they probably have adapted detection for that though'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, for example.....as soon as they launched that missile that finally worked....our news networks knew about it and was showing it on tv news a few minutes after. :p'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'keystone pipeline has to be built, but you notice that china recentlyl purchased alot of the oilfield land in alberta, which will be shipped to texas, who's comptroller meets with that nation north of iran and west of china, talking of a new 'silk road''
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'north korea has the capability to launch a nuclear missile about 2000 miles now, so they are doing pretty good for a poor country that should be focusing on infrastructure and feeding its people.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so how much it benefits texas compared to china and it's neighbours is what i wonder about'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or even canada, maybe a bank account in each place'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '98% of canadian oil is exported to the US right now, and 100% of its exported natgas is.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but the US wont be importing much more canadian oil in the future, since we are producing so much of it domestically now, and it is expected to keep growing.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most of the new canadian oil that will be exported to the US will be replacement oil for when we reduce imports from the middle east and africa.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah , but they also said japan was going to blast anything that crossed its airspace, and that it didn't'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is why the keystone needs to be built, and why canada needs to start exporting oil to asia.....Canada gets $22 a barrel less for its oil right now because it only exports to the US.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'while more exports to asia will increase the amount the US pays for oil, it is actually a good thing, because it will then raise the value of our new shale oil reserves also.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the keystone pipeline would allow about 900,000 barrels of heavy oil to be refined at the gulf of mexico refineries, and then it could help feed the southern part of the US with new oil supplies, and provide for some exportation to say Europe.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am sure the UK wouldnt mind a steady supply of a few hundred thousand barrels of canadian oil per day.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the wholesale disparagement of lifes most basic needs. http://www.studiesincomparativereligion.com/public/articles/Modern_Science_and_the_Dehumanization_of_Man-by_Phillip_Sherrard.aspx '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'good article, one reason i choose agnosticism instead of atheism'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that and teh way in the last article they mention the capitalization on what is newly known which wasn't available to those failure eugenics of the past'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'baffling, why is it with these mass shootings, exactly the same details come out? illegal firearm, mental illness, prescription medication, and "two shooters" that halfway through gets played down to lone gunman'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how long before we hear the guy was a member of a government mind control program?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Attorney General secretly granted government ability to develop and store dossiers on innocent Americans'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, their focus on latimes about the judgement of people who know him generalizations reminded me of the atypical memory of asocial people in nazi germany stories (which was in alot of other nations too), pre-emptive laws in place for instance, looking for criteria'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'John Holdren also co-authored a textbook "Ecoscience" where he advocated eugenics (the wiping out of 80% of the population) and the collectivisation of society'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he advocated the shipping (illegally) of 20,000 assault weapons to drugs gangs in Mexico with the purpose of demonising gun ownership in the USA'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still think he's a good guy?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's very similar, Chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Moreover, if they are readers of Teilhard de Chardin they can add ideological grist to their pragmatic mill, for he will have taught them that it is through the consolidation of the noosphere, that level of existence permanently dominated by the mind of man and its planning, that our species will execute its God-given task and fulfill its destiny.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Holdren's book also advocated forced abortions'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'putting him in the same ideological bed as the communist Chines'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '+e'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK, we at least have a member of the ruling coalition speaking out against snooping laws and the war on drugs, but his credibility has been destroyed by design'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he was never a particularly effective politician, unfortunately'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol, i have to check that one out: "UN slyly introduces a bill to take control of the Internet..... in the middle of the night"'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think my categorization of the intellectual power-enemy's of mine on the world is pretty close to accurate, even some of their beliefs and motivational factors, but i always keep an eye out for correction'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you think this shooting might be a put-up job?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or just another drugged up nutjob?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not always, no, but it's something i consider even if it's not very politically correct'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like you said about the guy who wrote that book, it's something that can cross the mind of man'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not just a man, your serving Attorney General'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i didn't know that, but i'm not from america'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nor am i :-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'hell, i don't care much about the names of people unless what kind of power they have is part of a explaination for a suspicion - sort of like studying a hypothesis'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'on the bright side, people may be wisening up a little bit to manipulators of society, and seeing ends more horrible than immediate conformity to their fear thanks to history'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, i managed to get Twyst to admit that globalist bankers have taken over control of sovereign financial institutions, and have medical fascism'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it's not all bad'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe he was ill'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's so cute seeing your guys together :')'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're going to hell, Dagnir :-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I saw illegal firamrms mental illness  script meds and thought they were talking bout me !'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not a great combination'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I'm on top of it '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even Dagnir is mentally ill'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I also hold down a job in lower management in the government :D first job '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hope you're changing it for the better'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'finding a balance between augmenting sleepers with ethanol atm , nearly there and the job is a breeze , just play it like RTS game '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'given what is the norm I am glad I am considered different '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'amen to that'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'parasites n zombies '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'friend is an engineer/fabricator at a big food plant here, he left for a few years. When he went back, the company had just about demolished the engineering and maintenance department, and had replaced a bunch of the machines for new, modern stuff that is computer controlled'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was costing them a FORTUNE because no-one could maintain them'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he now tries to instruct them on what machinery to get that will do the job but be cheap to run and maintain. He mostly gets shot down because "technology is good, it's the way to go"'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the most inane bizarre and 'trendy' attitude you could imagine'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it's what you see in public sector which is why there are now just managers and drones, and nobody capable of doing anything'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mastering these machines is tough stuff though, from linkers and loaders and all the maths and electronics and stuff, it's gonna eventually be like you're saying - i read source code and publishings that seemed written for most people to never see, because they dealt with subjects beyond most ordinary daily life'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I have to get a contractor in to put aventillation into a shed that stores fuel ... one of my mob can nip down to Bunnings n buy a whirlybird n install it at a fraction of the cost but I can because apparently we need to issolate risk , just stupid '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i agree, chemosh, but that's not the issue, it's an issue of technology for technology sake'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'In this worldthe world of the artificial environment, of the sophisticated manipulation of machines and techniquesthe human element is gradually being eliminated. What this world represents is a new type of order, a new inorganic order, one not created by God but invented by manone that is, in fact, precisely an externalization of mans desire to make his own world without God. '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take an instance of a particular little bit of the assembly where reject-turkeys are hanging on the line and have to be 'dumped' in a container below. There used to be a release consisting of a hook and a spring. There was nothing to go wrong, it was reliable and did the job. They replaced it with a mechanism consisting of air ram and 2 optical sensors. just imagine how much more there is to go wrong, and it doesn't DO anything extra'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'letting a civilian control an army .. distant Sun Tzu parallel .. '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'heard a quote about 'nothing succeeding on it's own without the government's guidance' once too'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that was probably out of Obama's mouth. "If you have a business? You didn't build that"'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not terribly surprising given the heavy collectivist influences of his upbringing'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'frontline staff need to be educated of the choices and let them choose but frontline in most cases means stupid as well or complicated'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and it's somethign alot less people can fix too'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'which ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the turkey release tiger mentioned'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lots of things could go wrong with something like that that're beyond most people's ingenuity to maintain'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't make -any- sense from a business point of view to replace something cheap and simple with something expensive and complicated when the performance is otherwise identical'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'deb cheap n simple often revolves around a human , and they are not reliable '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'obama never said that, nuts'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he did'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'does it matter ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir nods.
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKjPI6no5ng'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'from CSPAN, 0:48'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'anyway, nuts, that's not what he said. there was a lot more and these particular words have been taken out of context and there's a lot missing'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've listened to the whole thing, i know what he was saying, and he said it in a terrible way'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'is english your third language?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's what people who want big government always say to justify big government'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ur actually of full cognative faculty?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'do you have problems comprehending what people say?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've listened to the whole speech'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a speech about society'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and government's role in it'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and you still don't understand what he's saying'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i understand what he's saying and disagree with it'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'either way, he's not saying that business owners didn't build their businesses. he's saying that they didn't build the fucking infrastructure'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Oi go easy on Dru !'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Chem * soz'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's saying the success of people and businesses is due to government and the infrastructure they build'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that is not accurate'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's inverted, people together make the infrastructure through government, not government building infrastructure to enable people'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'not 100% accurate, but it's more true than it's not'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the case of the UK, the government will happily spend $3bn to build a $300m hospital'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why government sucks'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and why he is wrong'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'ok, now, that's actually debatable. i'm proud of you'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but you're still full of shit for quoting things out of context'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it's a headline, dagnir, but the point of the headline is to highlight a nonsense, and it IS nonsense'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm no fan of obama or big government, but i try to be honest'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you're still full of shit'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's no different to Yuna quoting Romney claiming 47% of Americans will always vote Obama because they're welfare supporters'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's no different to corporate media'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a direct result of the "immediate"ness of modern media'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oh, so /relatively/ speaking you're not talking shit?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it gets you arguing about it, it's done it's job right?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're sounding like that guy who was screaming at people here about their debating techniques'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir laughs out loud.
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'It is the peculiar strength of modern times," wrote Dr. Caird, "that it has reached a clear perception of the finite world as finite'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that in science it is positive, i.e. that it takes particular facts for no more than they are; and that in practice it is unembarrassed by superstition, i.e. by the tendency to treat things and persons as mysteriously sacred. The first immediate awe and reverence which arose out of a confusion of the absolute and universal with the relative and particular, or, in simpler language, of the divine and the human, the ideal and the real, has passed away from the world.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'd rather argue over forms of government than listen people quote shit out of context as arguments'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then argue it'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'superstition could be something as simple as what if they're smarter than i think they are?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'argue it rather than calling people names just because you think you're better than them'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oh, hey, i can do that - (Debate) Tigernuts: '47% of Americans will always vote Obama because they're welfare supporters''
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ppl have been doing this for years - deb topics - yet here at Aard we live hand to mouth ...... such a waste imo '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'now you said it. fuck the context'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'or, you know, any other words that were said'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'ppl have been doing this for years - deb topics - yet here at Aard we live hand to mouth ...... such a waste imo '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and well, obama wasn't even saying that the goverment "built that". only that someone else built and invested. could be another company or the government. either way, he's 100% right'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not the case'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the case is that you're full of shit'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it may be in the case of cities and highly developed areas that they are developed sufficiently that businesses rely on government infrastructure, but it's not always the case now, and definitely didn't used to be the case'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for all of the success stories are failure stories that occur because of government'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'why don't people like you criticize obama or the us goverment for real fucking issues? why does it has to be this made up crazy shit?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'especially here in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you think I don't?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no, you don't'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you think I don't, then you have an issue regarding selective reading'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't start the branch'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm forever berating foreign policy, berating freedom and liberty erosion'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i berate global banking corps taking over control of sovereign financial establishments and essentially calling the shots'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess that's not real or important either'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oh, it is'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and good thing that there are people like that still in the world, although dangerous the more and more power the government exacts, as can be seen in several nations'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then i call bullshit on your bullshit'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i had a meeting with icelandic PP MP yesterday'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'talked icesave dispute and all that'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you just assume that because i don't agree with you visa-vee that Obama quote, i don't have anything to say'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i can't take you seriously if you just lie'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who is having trouble with english now?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'doesn't matter what the issues is, if you explanation is that obama is a moon-nazi'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who has ever said that?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'dunno. maybe dosset?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then why attribute it to me?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that wasn't a direct quote, btw'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'because you buy into the "obama is a secret gay muslim" shit'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, i'm not, that's Yuna'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oh, you have totally called him a closet homosexual'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no I haven't'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'he might be disguising his sexual preferences, but that doesn't affect the quality of his policies'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'ok. i'll just get the logs from abe and grep a bit'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I believe I once linked to an article in the news that discussed it, that's not the same thing at all'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''cause they're welfare bums' superstition, And it is of this type of mentality that our modern technological world is the social embodiment. Modern technology is this conception harnessed and put to work for us. It is this which has licensed the technical mind to desecrate the whole social context, the entire planet, and to send out squads of scientific-technical experts to chart, dissect, ransack, and ravage dispassionately, on the basis of empirical evidence and experiment, and if possible by the intervention of mathematics or other specialist methodology, the total fabric of human and cosmic life, outer space and inner conflict, art and history, public opinion and private guilt, education and health, one has only to look at the hundreds of magazines and journals in the science departments of universities and polytechnics to get an idea of the vast proliferation of this specialized interference and scrutiny. '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i gave up some minutes ago ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fMnF0Fvdpo'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'on thing i found particularly odd about that horrible incident in america was that a similar one happened in china on the same day - but while science would typically calculate the odds of inevitable destruction by meteor with proclaimed faith, odds of both happening on the same day would escape their rational grasp - but i understand political correctness fairly well, could be unfortunate happenstance'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Dru you still DJ ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I need an oldschool metal fix !'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i was only ever here to amuse you'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Chemosh grins evilly.
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I know that  :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'this Mud Is all about the TZ ! - lol '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Korn ! go older next time but TY good song !'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who knows what all goes on in the world though, not everything is reported'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods at Chemosh.
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I know All , cause thats all I base my choices on ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I want Dagnir to talk to us all about his meeting with the Icelandic MP'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hopefully he brought up the way that Iceland refused (unlike all of the rest of Europe/US) to sign on to the bank's debts'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Iceland actually did put in some effort to bail out the people'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the people yes, not the banks'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and didn't work all that hard at keeping banks alive in their previous forms, and they are even prosecuting a bunch of bankers'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'it's like they got it all wrong!'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was there right at teh start saying banks should have been allowed to go broke'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'invest in canned goods n ammo - the end is near ! :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, no, not really'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Dec 21st? :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tzadkiel puts another quarter into the jukebox 
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mayan codex was interpreted/translated by a german in the 1890's'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they had a vision like tesla for the year 2100 in mind'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'making the date of some mystical origin for their plans'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's all i'd see being on the 21st beyond a ordinary day'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mostly new-age bunkem'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'been seeing this story about EPA Administrator using secret email accounts with alias names in order to deliberately circumvent freedom-of-information requests and transparency'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess we shouldn't be surprised'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'here's a funny one (with all the paranoia and stuff i seen on the webs): Revelation 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.  -- confessed that he is unknown , will become one of the architects behind the union of the Eurasian Economic Community (EurAsEC), and the country will take the road to the creation of the second USSR. http://news.am/eng/news/132657.html'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they mentioned USSR by name in Revelations? That's cooL! :-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best watch out, Dagnir will be claiming I believe it next'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'guess we'll see what happens, could be a symbolic mystification of the strategists world guidance or something'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whether or not it's actually divine, i see parallels to human-events and the bible in the world, whether or not they're mystical or the story is a framework for people to develop their plans on'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yeah, there's no reason not to see it. Bibles (plural) are collections of stories and wisdom passed down from generation to generation, some are historic, some are like Aesops Tales. The thing about history is it tends to repeat'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should George Soros be prosecuted for sedition?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps that should be "COULD George Soros be prosecuted for sedition"?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'We might prosecute him for megalomania, perhaps, or for excessive belief in his own wisdom.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I find you guilty of having a messiah complex, and sentence you to 100 hours of sweeping streets.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, i'd argue that pouring billions of dollars into political campaigns, socialist and communist think tanks, and media. Doesn't that constitute subversion of lawful authority?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '311,591,917 population of america, -> because "210 million now is too many and 280 million in 2040 is likely to be much too many." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Holdren (legit?)  In 1977, Paul R. Ehrlich, Anne H. Ehrlich, and Holdren co-authored the textbook Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment; they discussed the possible role of a wide variety of solutions to overpopulation, from voluntary family planning to enforced population controls, including compulsory abortion, adding sterilants to drinking water or staple foods, forced sterilization for women after they gave birth to a designated number of children, and discussed "the use of milder methods of influencing family size preferences" such as access to birth control and abortion.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'uzbekistan had an article on bbc awhile ago about doctors being required to remove a certain amount of uterus per month'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's interesting, isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'John Paul Holdren (born March 1, 1944) is the senior advisor to President Barack Obama on science and technology issues through his roles as Assistant to the President for Science and Technology, Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, and Co-Chair of the Presidents Council of Advisors on Science and Technology (PCAST)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think conneticut should hang onto their weapons to give the hypothetical future nazi's or gulag a hard time when they come around'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or is it 'Einsatzgruppen''
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'judging from the article, that's over 100 million deaths on the horizon'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in america alone'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what kind of criteria are they going to establish for the survival process'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see asocial being ordained, what next?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he miscalculated the population by 2040 by almost 100 million though, maybe his advice isn't very valuable'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'unless they calculated in the genocide before the next genocide'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nobody can say whether he miscalculated the population by 2040...'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'given that it's all pure speculation'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'strictly, he didn't project it but used either the un or the who predictions -- however, the predictions have been off because developing countries have reduced their birth rate more than the people predicting it expected.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA can support more population'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK certainly cannot'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'uk's tfr is estimated at 1.91 as of 2012 (under replacement)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'define tfr for me'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'total fertility rate -- number of children a woman is expected to have in her lifetime based on current demographic projections'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, so doesn't account for changes in life expectancy'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately that means with current rates of migration, UK's population will continue to rise'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'to shrink the population, you want the tfr under 2, but not by too far -- when it's far under 2, aging population results in pretty ugly demographic imbalance.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, i understand that'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'else you get the problem they are having in Russia'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, and italy, and several other countries in europe.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's probably because they're all coming here to sponge off me'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like UK and USA both share the ability to thank immigrants for the imposition of socialism in our countries'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is the whole fiscal cliff argument really about a 3% tax hike on salaries over $250k?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'a large part of it is, plus the republicans want the democrats to make a few more spending cuts.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK had the same argument about 2 years ago, but both our parties are crap too and one advocated practically no cuts that wouldn't touch the deficit at all, and the party that got in wanted salami slicing that hurts all services but doesn't do much for the deficit'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but bejabbers it makes you feel like you did something'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sigh... how many times does it need to be said that there's no deficit crisis?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'we are in a similar situation, there is no party of the center.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, we have 2 parties of the center'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why we have no choice'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, because of the farm bill artificially deflating food prices, all dairy products are basically going to triple in value.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not aware of that one, enlighten me'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'well the deficit is over one trillion and it would be nice if we had some plan to bring it down in the future.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think you'll find the plan of both US and UK is to deflate the deficit away'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the farm bill is part of the stuff that expires if they no agreement can be made before 1/1/13.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which means totally fucking up anyone with savings or a pension'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what is it, hans?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it gives subsidies to farmers.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what sort of farmers?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'reason i ask that is much of UK farming isn't really farmers but corporate owned farm-factory'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it's not really going to the little guy'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'dairy for sure, but since when does a bill from congress only affect one specific group of people?  I imagine there are other farmers that get subsidies via that bill as well.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's the point of th at?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'taking into account just he structural deficit, it's only one or two hundred billion more than that necessary to keep debt as a percentage of gdp stable. That gap can be closed with the ending or the wars, or even just a small increase on top tax rates'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '$2 a gallon for milk, when actual market value is at least $6 if not more.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have nothing against having a marketing board that sets a minimum price that the markets can buy from farmers at'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was the removal of the milk marketing board in the UK that destroyed family dairy farms in the 1980s, and we still have a situation where often times farms are forced to sell milk at below the cost of production'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'milk is used to make all other dairy products, so 3x price applies to anything milk is made from.  Regardless of whether it's the little guy or a corporate regime, nobody's going to simply absorb that cost.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'direct subsidy is a dumb idea, the EU does that and it's a bone of huge contention'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is a nice video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9LWioXYaic&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '$ cat 2012debate.txt | grep -Pc 'Tigernuts:.+O|obama' -> 317'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'missing square brackets in the regex, but you get the point'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '...'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what led you to talk with an Icelandic MP, Dagnir, and what was the result?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I've gotten drunk with Icelandic PMs.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'long winters, eh?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'quite'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'private meeting with birgitta jonsdottir. was representing local pirate party and a tech-focused citizen lobby group'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'Heh. I was in Reykjavic with a group of friends for new years 2 years ago and Birgitta Jonsdottir came to party with us at our flat.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'she's cool'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'were you in iceland, or was she in Estonia?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'wait, it was last year'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'tallinn'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'no i'm wrong. 2 years ago'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like they've done well in Germany and Iceland'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'who?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seems to me a single-issue party offshoot of Libertarianism'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pirate party'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yeah, but it's not single-issue'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'at least it hasn't been for a long time now'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only going on what documentation they have for the Uk based party'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and the icelandic pirate party isn't even a official party yet. it's being formed inside the parliament, they didn't run as pirates'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think they'd do better here throwing their lot in with UKIP'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Rice University scientists have unveiled a revolutionary new technology that uses nanoparticles to convert solar energy directly into steam. The new "solar steam" method from Rice's Laboratory for Nanophotonics (LANP) is so effective it can even produce steam from icy cold water.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ummmm'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'solar energy cannot be converted into steam...'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'solar energy may be used to heat water to get it to form steam'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'what if you used magnifying lenses to concentrate heat ?>'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're still not turning solar into steam, you're turning water into steam USING solar energy'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'ah, well i assumed the water was a given sorry'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and using solar energy to directly produce heat is hardly a breakthrough, much as your magnifying glass demonstrates'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The efficiency of solar steam is due to the light-capturing nanoparticles that convert sunlight into heat. When submerged in water and exposed to sunlight, the particles heat up so quickly they instantly vaporize water and create steam. The solar steam's overall energy efficiency of 24% can probably be increased as the technology is refined.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos . o O ( "solar steam" could  be thought as a shortcut word to indicate the energy transfer... )
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'During the test, they put the nanoparticles in almost frozen water, and created steam from it.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the problem is with your semantics, Rizgoth :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not my semantics, it is the original writer of the paper....I just cutnpasted their bad writing. :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but regardless of the writing, it is still a good advancement in the production of energy by renewable sources.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if the results are true that will make camping a new experience :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not only that, but the production of fresh water would be made easier.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pyrobiter: 'hello?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'there is often traffic on here. It's just quiet at the moment.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pyrobiter: 'aardwolf sucks! said noone ever....'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, top gear crew were complaining about the Blue Ridge Parkway having stupidly low speed limits'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hah.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, you do see semis barreling up and down that at 20 over the speed limit :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they took a ferari 458, merc sls and a porsche 911gt3 rs and found they couldn't do more than 45 on it'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'lolol :D'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'frankly I found doing 45 on it scary enough.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'most "expressways" east of the Mississippi are not setup for real speeding.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they like seeking out good drives, not neceassarily hugely fast, but just nice drives'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's also true for freeways built before 1970 on the west coast. But later ones allow for comfortable 80+.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if the banking is set up correctly, you can have both.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I remember riding around Pittsburgh's speedways, it was scary. I had never driven at 55 before :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you get hung for speeding here now'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, there are highways in Texas where the speed limit is now 85 mph'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: '55 is not speeding, 55 is like taking a break for lunch :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hit 135 on the A1 once, too many cameras everywhere these days though'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'depends, in a residential neighborhood 55 is speeding :p'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only car i've owned i haven't maxed at one point or other'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the day one of the new toll highways opened to 85 mph, there was an increase in accidents of 65%.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'cameras can't catch you, though...'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but since you are allowed to go up to 10 mph over the speed limit here....most people go around 95 mph on the new highways.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sounds like Southern California :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a lot of new cars here won't do 95'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas builds more highways and roads than any other state.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my car's fuel economy drops like a stone after 60'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you paid what i pay for gas, you'd stick to 60 too :-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'during the "energy crunch" cars were being sabotaged by manufacturers so they wouldn't peform at high speeds.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and makes more moonshine than any other state too I bet.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and a new Texas 1 highway is being built that will go from Mexico to Oklahoma.....8 lanes on each side, plus a railway and dedicated trucking lanes.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cars have been optimised for 56mph here for decades'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Texas 1 won't be a fast highway because of all the border patrol stops :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the border patrol doesnt stop you in Texas, except at the border.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stop you 100 miles inside the border'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The only time I have ever seen the border patrol is at the actual border, and I have never been stopped by them, except AT the border coming into the US from mexico.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I bet that will change. Just like in California, the have forced checkpoints to make sure you "don't carry illegal fruits".'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, there are checkpoints popping up all over the palce'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, the border stops don't have to be carried out by border patrol. The Highway Patrol can stop you anywhere.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Last time I ran into a border patrol guys, they looked really, really bored.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and if you think that a highway that leads from Mexico won't be subject to regular stops  you are dreaming.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mexican truckers will need a special permit to get through the checkpoints faster, otherwise they will have to undergo xray stops.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'expect TSA groping people on your roads soon'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'just like sobriety checks, they will have impromptu stops along the way. That's how they do it in CA. They have 1 official stop before/after you approach/leave the border (not counting the border itself) then they spot check you all the way to LA.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '4th ammendment is clearly optional to CA'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the border patrol is hiring if anyone wants a govt job that starts at $45k a year plus bennies and the chance to ride 4 wheelers and motorcycles in rough country.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i thought those guys were volunteers'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, that would be the minutemen.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'one of them just got shipped back here in a box, was on the news a couple weeks ago'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Does the Vatican have is own police force and separate laws concerning freedom of speech when compared to Italy? Or does Italy's laws simply not include a right to freedom of speech?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a group of racist people who watch the border looking for illegals and then call the border patrol to pick them up.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what does 4USAmend has to do with it? It is illegal to carry proscribed fruit in CA, so they use that as the reason for the stops. There is a persistent ]Med fly infestation there.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'applies to commercial vehicles only'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the Vatican is a city state, it has its own laws and regulations.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '45k a year? That's pretty well-paid.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I don't think so'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no it doesn't. On I-15 there is an official stop to check for illegal fruit, for instance.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently, the Vatican's laws then does not include a freedom of speech.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just because there -are- stops, doesn't mean it's consitutional, or that you have to be subjected to a search'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the Vatican doesn't pretend to be a democracy, Yuna.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most people just comply'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'thought there were agriculture stops going into all states?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'since when is 45k/year well paid?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, there are stops and then there are stops....if you are hispanic, or black....chances are you will be stopped.....otherwise prob not.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's well paid in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they aren't interested in illegals, they get let off'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'is that before or after taxes?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even before it's a good wage for UK, above average'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: '45K was a good salary in the US until the dollar became toilet paper.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't my you shit, you couldn't afford a mortage on a decent sized house with it, but it's still above median earnings here'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'buy*'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I don't think "above average" is necessarily good'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts nods at a nether fiend.
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'the average person buses tables at mcdonalds'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the average person is supposed to be the middle class, so if they are busing at McD's, we are in deep do do.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I hope those fast food workers in NYC get their wish...and $15 min per hour.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll have some nice expensive mcdonalds then!'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, it cost's about 12 USD to eat at Mc Donnald's in NYC anyway.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: '$15 in NYC is barely enough to rent a studio apt with a roommate'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not really, the price of the food at fast food places is not dependant on employees pay.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'more like you'll hear more gunfire.. It's NYC remember?:P'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'everything in NYC is expensive.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'but guns r free'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'You know something is wrong when you walk into a bar, order a single drink, and your tab is like $30'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, you have to give muggers an even break, don't you?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'a guy once told me that when I was in brooklyn'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't NYC one of those places with strict(er) gun controls?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Here in Texas, the wage is the same as NYC fast food places, but the food is half the price....'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'that depends on the drink'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'properties probably cheaper too, riz'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'NY has the strictest gun control in the nation'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and it shows, right?''
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, Flach, that's what i thought - only the criminals have the weapons'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mcdonalds pays the rents for all mcdonalds properties.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not the franchise owner.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Well, criminals are going to have the weapons anyway, for the most part.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'DC is stricter'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'most of my drinks are hand delivered by courier on a private jet from the secret basement of a Flemish monk'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chicago has strict gun controls too, right?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so the strict laws only apply to lawful possession, that helps a lot.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'If you want something bad enough and you have the money, you can get it'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'marijuana wholesale down here is selling for $3500 a lb for organic.....'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Well, honestly, it DOES take a bit more work for even a criminal to get a weapon in NYC, but that isnt really a big hinderance to them.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Move to Washington :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Takes longer to get into state, takes longer to hit the street and get to the buyer'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'bummer'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even tobacco smuggling is becoming big business again....'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Thats always been big between the US and Canada'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what happens when you either prohibit something, or put prohibitively high taxation on it'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, more like, from cheap tax states to high tax states like NY/NYC'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's going to happen when the tax differential becomes rediculous... it's call arbitrage : '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'We'll have to wait a while and see how the legalization of marijuana in two states affects things'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, the illegal growers are going to be pissed... that's what's going to happen.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'buy 100 cases of cigs from kentucky for $3 a pack, and sel for $10 a pack in NYC.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '$12 for pack of 20 here'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'That was big business in school, too.  Buy a pack for $2 (at the time), sell each one for .25'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and you wonder why McD's employees want 15 an hour...'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well there you go, when government interferes in peoples' lives, stuff goes bad'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Sheeeeit, I'm a network admin and I dont even make $20/hr right now.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you need a new job :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither will you, everyone will be earning minimum wage unless you're a manager'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'apparently the tobacco smuggling is becoming so widespread, that highway police on major highways are pulling over RV's to search for large quantities of cigs :p'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Eh, low cost of living here helps.  And I get lots of bennies.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'or a specialist :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we get the best of both worlds here, high cost of living, low wages'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go learn a trade that wont get exported to india.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'won't matter'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'I cant complain about 5 1/2 weeks paid time off per year, but the wages could be a bit better.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or go work on an oil well in some of the new oil and gas shale wells.....starting pay is $18 an hour plus all the overtime you dont want.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'drivers make even more....$25 an hour starting.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'HARD work'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still wouldn't get you a house here'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'That is ass busting and ball breaking work right there.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'hard, DANGEROUS work'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '6 people died on the oil well crews last year....from explosions of the wells. '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Most dangerous thing about my job is the walk from my desk to the coffee pot.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm not talking about one off events'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'lose some fingers, break a foot, get hit in the head etc.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you have an RV, you could make $300 a day as a well gate guard at the shale gas deposits.....'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there are lots of jobs out there, but most people do not want to do them...they would rather spend lots of money going to some worthless college and then get paid low money because there are hundreds of others who are applying for the same jobs.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i fully agree, riz'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'depends on what you go to college for...'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'c'mon, college for anything other than MD, Lawyer or similar is pointless'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'engineering is in hot demand, trust me'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most people should be going to tech schools to learn trades, and not going to college to learn something stupid and getting into debt.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'on the other hand it can't be denied that education for its own sake is worthwhile. Else our knuckles would be callous from all the dragging on the ground.  '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Nah, just neeed to choose the right degrees in college, if they are doing it to earn money'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Accounting, engineering, computer sciences, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could cut university places by 75% and there'd still be an oversubscription'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'private college enrollments are down 66% in the last 2 years after the feds cracked down on college loan fraud.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and I dont mean private schools like Harvard or Yale'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I mean the crappy schools like univ of phoenix.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are assuming that one gets an education in order to get a job :) Not everyone is that way. I am perfectly willing to earn a living in a job outside the sphere of my degree. College is supposed to prepare you to handle those types  of situation. If it didn't, maybe you could sue and get your money back :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'UofP is a craphole'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'I'd love to get a 4 year degree in art, but I'd starve for most of my life'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how much would it cost to change an orthopedic surgeons' specialization to include something else?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'So I work with computers, and do art classes here and there.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is the nice thing about art, you dont need a college degree to do it.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it's all a matter of choice. Many artists or renown have been known to be at the edge of starvation :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'on the news recently they're heading to india to search for doctor shortages, but there's 90+ orthopedic surgeons who can't find work'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Ortho surgeon to what'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You dont need a college degree to do most things, we need to bring back on the job training....like they do in Germany.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'Unemployment numbers would look worse if future waiters weren't taking masters degrees now.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'insurance is pricing most doctors out of private practice......eventually it will all be large clinics or hospitals.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'I just want the education to get a better job so I can better take care of this 4 month old in my lap'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lots of doctors and dentists just shutting down'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'Also student loans, any halfway decent economy needs some bubbles'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'health insurance prices up 25% since the announcement of Obamacare and predicted to rise 100% by 2014'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *Yay!*  Go Flach!!!  Tintin cheers him on.
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the point of a college education is to teach you coherent thinking which applied to most situations is enough to get you through. If that is not one a person gets out of going to college then that  person was short changed or didn't have what it takes.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://regina.ctvnews.ca/new-details-on-why-saskatchewan-surgeon-was-declined-for-job-1.1080872 -- it's 70 in country rather'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'who cares, the world is ending in 5 days'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tintin looks at SnailBot Anaristos ponderingly.
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/Saskatchewan+doctor+recruitment+mission+India+success/7695619/story.html'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'once upon a time people learned something resembling thinking prior to entering colleges, I believe'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, that's true. But at the college level one polishes those skills.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but now, like everything else the degree is more important than the education it represents, so maybe things have changed.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'Heaps of jobs that should certainly not require more than high school ask for college degrees now. If it isn't because the knowledge is needed, then what?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'trickle down'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'You can use the degree as a proxy for intelligence or determination, obviously.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Operating costs are too high, so doctors are replaced by PAs, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'PhDs too expensive, bring in Masters; Masters displace Bachelors'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'Not that relevant in Norway, where you are allowed to give IQ tests to applicants.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Now you have menial jobs requiring Bachelors simply because of supply'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'This is in the U.S.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'while it is understood why they would use a college degree to filter excess candidates, it certainly results in the devaluing of the degree.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Noone wants to tenure the "expensive" people, so they're replaced by ersatz counterparts'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Absolutely; now it means you can't work at Starbucks, cuz the recent Bachelors grads have been displaced by the trickle-down'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'Also, if you are sufficiently smart to understand the textbooks on your own, most colleges don't offer any additional value before you are writing a master's thesis or thereabouts.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I am happy (more or less) with my education and had I been well off I would have stayed a student all my life ;)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'obviously excluding the value of diplomas and access to labs etc :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a lot of master theses are a scam, though.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Tinin, now you see how corporate it's become'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Tintin'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tintin nods.
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Don't have the paper, don't get the job. And of course, a Bachelors entails upward of 100k indebtedness'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's less about education, and more about profiting from the cog-creation system'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or you can get scholarships and go to college for free'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'This is really evident when you look at tutions from 2-3 decades back'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You could go to Standford for $7k'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Stanford'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'But now, one semester is close to $25k at most places'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'Well, these days a master's thesis is supposed to show that you understand basic research methods in your field, so you hardly expect them to be read by anyone are contain any kind of scientific advance'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'or contain!'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's less outstanding theses/dissertations and more parroting/regurgitation'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'anything too radical, and the establishment won't like it'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'higher education has been constrained and debased by profiteering'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'our local law school doesn't even allow master's theses to be published or put in their library, but that is probably more because of the pathetic level of writing exhibited'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''the tenet of darkness' managed by people who want to be the guiding light'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'At least in another generation there should be reasonably priced online alternatives'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There's been a resurgence in blue collar/trade jobs'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not here there ain't'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'The middle-class peaked in the 70s.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'now it's the "global middle-class", aka. hobos by US standards, that is rising'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Resurgence in demand; the supply is too concerned about its perceived status and baller lifestyle'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's only 100k if you make a stupid choice in schools :p'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '...and that's for undergrad, at that'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'Look at BLS figures and see where new jobs after the 2008 crash showed up, you see low paid service jobs. Eventually most of the traditional middle class jobs will be done by three engineers and skynet :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '73% of jobs made since the election were government jobs'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'still, only if you make a stupid choice in schools, going somewhere you can't afford and can't get merit aid for either.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'yes, ok, I concede that, I meant private sector jobs'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's because the job creators are not doing shit'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'just counting their money'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'I also don't think gov't counts as 'creating' jobs, but that is a slightly different debate'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Their incentive is to create unnecessary g-jobs to get people to support big gummint'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Pretty transparent'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anything to bring their massaged figures down. Labour party did the same here 5-8 years ago'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Get more people on the teat'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not really'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'However, with the big growth expected in health care, pharma and related areas, gov't jobs can't very well go down.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then expect taxation to go u p'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'more like trying to get out of the vicious circle of unemployment crushing demand leading to further unemployment'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'I saw some optimistic research on diabetes medicines, now a 100bn+ business in the US, and there are enormous possibilities - 92% of americans don't have diabetes yet'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'It's nice to know there are proper growth industries out there.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think humans are the only species that systematically forbids potential from reaching itself, closest things i seen in nature is like lions eating their new prides cubs or mother birds not discerning which chick has already had a worm - although sometimes lionesses will protect their cubs, which humanity seems to have progressively made less and less instinctual or available as an option'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tintin nods at Chemosh.
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'public spending needs to go up by a large proportion in the short term if you guys are to get serious about reducing the deficit.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'won't happen'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't happen here, won't happen there'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tintin boggles at Sonshi.
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Textbook theory doesn't apply to real life'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the us needs better infrastructure too. What a waste of resources...'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dodgy keysianism doesn't work in practice anywhere'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it works everywhere that has tried it'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'WW2?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The U.S. is a corporations, a money-making entity, not a country'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'Part of the solution to that is to make governments follow GAAP, I think. No more getting away with messed up cash flow reports.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Tintin, just look at LIBOR, and the recent HSBC'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if the old wolf failed to feed the pack every time he led on or charged them all into losing battles, do you think the pack would eventually catch onto his unwisdom?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'retrenchment also works'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'The US political system certainly favours large corporations.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tintin nods at Chemosh.
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the US political system is an appendage of large corporations'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'Wolves know when to ask the basic questions thoug..'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'twyst is that why the US hase one of the globe's highest corporate tax rates?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's a nominal rate'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i think you really mean an appendage of large unions'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The entire cabinet is comprised of members of corporations (Monsanto, BP, etc.)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'even effective rate of 27, still one of the highest'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'a little research and I could find 10 fortune 100 companies that paid no or negative taxes'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'not on US income'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'The tax rates may be relatively high, but the percentage of tax income from those corporations is .. ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so if I say the speed limit is 5 mph, but you can drive a red car as fast as you want'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'is irrelevant to their influence on government if you use your brain'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'doesn't mean I have the strictest speed limits now does it'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Use your brain?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The government uses its "regulatory" agencies to shield the private sector giants, economically choking out the little guy'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the real influencers are unions'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'and the largest beneficiaries of govt largesses are unions'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'pass some of that over here, sounds like the good stuff'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what are their excuses here? we don't have powerful unions'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'show me one union that was 'too big too fail' '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'please'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'look at the pensions they've extracted.  Too big to pay off'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no private company offers pensions close to that'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's not government influence, it's bargaining'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Who did the worst? Oh yea, Social Security'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it's bargainign with politicians who are elected and beholden to unions and have no profit motive to strike fair bargains'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the unions don't bargain with politicians, they bargain with management'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no coincidence that the states closest to BK are democratic and urban states.  Pure corruption.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'too big to fail corporations should have failed, btw'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i'm with u on that'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They did, and got bailed out'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but the unions wanted them around right ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'by the taxpayers'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no shareholders came out ahead on any of those'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'in fact the UAW was massively bailed out when the govt stepped in to save GM'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'those pensions would be axed in a real BK process'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'and they were preserved'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why was GM failing? because American cars were not as good as their competitors'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'that and beacuse US manufcaturers had a $2000 per car labor disadvantage thanks to unions and legacy labor costs'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'BK hasn't helped GM make better cars, but that $2k is still not at parity'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'they just killed bondholders to save pensioners'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is the GM moving to China thing getting on?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'govt is union's best friend'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Other way around'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'the bail-out is taxpayer money'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The taxpayers are bailing out the shareholders'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '^^^'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Union is the government's best scapegoat'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the taxpayer has lost billions in GM, and GM shareholders were wiped to zero, wth are you smoking kid'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the only winners are the UAW, who kept all their pensions, and got a big chunk of the company'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'compare the scope of GM's bailout with the bank bailout'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Taxpayers are uninvolved; shareholders chose to put a stake in GM'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'I didn't get to choose to bail out GM'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'yes let's compare... the govt gave money to banks who didn't want it, and has made a profit on it'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'impractical fantasy land:  if you can't do it yourself, it's probably a trap'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You could have sold your shares'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'dosset you are utterly clueless'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '25 billion vs 700 billion'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'shareholders chose nothing, at all, to do with GM.  they lost 100% of their investment.  Idiot.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they bought GM stock'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'yes, after the bailout'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they were not guaranteed an increase in value'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'why are you talking about shareholders 3 years after the bailout'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Shareholders chose to invest in GM, and a failing industry in general'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'My tax dollars aren't your hedge'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the welath xfer to unions happened DURING THe bailout'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You're sounding like Wall Street now; I bail you out when you fuck up'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '(that's what your 401k/IRA is)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Kojiro you neglected my previous point in that the bank bailout was about 30 times larger'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'who is transferring wealth to whom'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could the government please stop bailing with -my- money?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'twyst:  yes it was larger, yes I wish it hadn't happened, but realize most of thsoe banks didn't want or need the money, and teh govt has profited while many shareholders were wiped.  it wasn't that bad.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'GM is the aberration'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'its not your money after the fed takes it'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I wish the govt didn't lose $20B of my taxpayer money to keep the AUW pensions 100% intact'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Don't view it through such a colored lens'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the DoD wastes that much on toilet paper'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it's just the fact.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'No, it's not; you're skipping from A -> D, ignoring B and C'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'yea twyst, I hate most government spending'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'you paid 20B in taxes?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'some people would rather burn down their house than suffer a single rat to eat a single grain of their rice... sigh...'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'B is:  in a normal BK thsoe pensions are shredded.  C is that the govt railroaded the BK in 30 days and the courts took it up the ass b/c they were scared'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, clearly $20bn is chump change'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You're forest-for-the-treeing the fact that the gumming doesn't want the bad side of Unions'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'The appropriate solution was to provide emergency loans to banks, and then, if they didn't have enough equity, let them go bankrupt and then add in new equity, with old shareholders wiped out. Also some prosecutions might be appropriate.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I agree tintin'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lynchings'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'same should have been done with the car companies, although I'm not particularly convinced that the gov't should provide new equity there.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'and same for GM.  cut all creditors equally, including pensions, and re-org and issue equity'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'their liabilities were in the trillions'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Now Geithner wants to eliminate the debt ceiling'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'in GM, bondholders were cut huge while the UAW was left alone'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they won't give him that'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the debt ceiling is new spending, its paying your bills'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'isn't *'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'What is the debt ceiling good for?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'dosset listen to tintin he understand how markets and BK should work'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tintin meeps at Not Guilty Kojiro!
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The appropriate action is apparent'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Why question when the government doesn't take it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's obvious what should and shouldn't have been done'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i can't wait to hear your reccoemndation'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Rather, question why what happened happened'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'I don't really represent the consensus view here'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The government essentially owns everything, but has to pretend it doesn't'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Not Guilty Kojiro rolls his eyes, disgusted.
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It uses Goldman Sachs to do private sector dealings'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'lol!'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Roll your eyes, but now you have your reasons on why this wasn't that'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'too much rolling stone for that kid'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i thought it was Goldman Sachs who owned everything'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they certainly own the EU and everything inside it'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'all of this is why GS is earning 8% return on equity and trading at book value, right?  Beacuse they own and control everything.  Right.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Instead of bemoaning "but..but..why didn't they cut pensions?" instead get upset that they deflected the loss onto bondholders'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Noone's asking "what did they do?" rather "why did they do it?"'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'that's one and the same, and the answer for why is the politicla clout of the UAW'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Exactly'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'unions have far more influence at all levels of govt than "large corporations"'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They're both in the bag'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'absurd'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'especially public sector unions'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: '"large corporations" is owned by government'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They're in the same bag'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'huh?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'are you talking about Russia or the USA'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i think its more like large corps own gov't'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Modi is right'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'From what I see, it appears that unions have relatively more power at local and state level and corporations relatively more power in the federal gov't.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just look at who runs all the sovereign banks in Europe, look at the CV's of many of the presidents'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'sure they do, that's why US corporate tax rates are highest in the world'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Kojiro that is flawed and you know it'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'prob highest profits as well'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it's not flawed, it's the truth.  most of the effective rates are low multi-nationals who don't repatriate foreign profit'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so it's a moot point'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's like the death penalty in California'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'US tax rates are less important for the largest corporations. S&P500 corps have on average almost 2/3 of their activity in other countries.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'A rate is ink on paper'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Look at the cash flow'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: '2/3rds is too high'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You can't cat a dog'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Google paid no tax on their UK profits last year, neither did Starbucks or Amazon'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '35% is not 2/3rds'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, or next to no'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you recall when apple had more in the bank than the US gov?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I do'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Apple gets paid by the government to create US jobs'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're big enough to dictate their tax bill'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but china might have human'd a rabbit in 2003'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the govt is too busy borrowing and taxing and spending to have money in the bank'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'we are slowly but surely going back the days of robber barons and JP Morgan loaning Uncle Sam money'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Not Guilty Kojiro groans loudly.
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"slowly going back"?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you were there decades ago'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'who are the robber barons?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'AAPL??'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Money in the bank? The U.S. is financed by imaginary debt, what would you expect'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'where does China figure in on all of this ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'east asia, Tzad'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Read about ghost cities in Africa and you can piece something together'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah the other money'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'yes, that should be 1/3, not 2/3, and I was thinking about the reported profits'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'tyvm :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'sales from abroad are a higher % than profits from abroad, and we can argue about how much that has to do with taxes'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'mis obviously :p'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally i'm agrieved that my government pays more in debt interest in a year than it spends on the entire defence budget'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'r u japanese ^^?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why would that bother you?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The debt keeps the peons in bondage; can't possibly have it paid off now, can we'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'lol dosset ur such a troll'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's some $80bn a year i'd prefer to have back, ta'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'half of americans pay zero income tax'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Income tax was never supposed to be paid to a private cartel'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Who's the troll now'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it's successful people like me that have to put up with the bill when crazies like you elect big borrower spenders'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Strong false dichotomy'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah because we are unsuccesful mooches right?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Your success clearly lends itself to government riding'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'oh, clearly'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not a democrate then, kojiro>'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'nothing to do with talent or hard work'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'just ride that government.  i saw how on a youtube video and now i'm a millionaire'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Not Guilty Kojiro thanks DosseT heartily.
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'You can't comprehend the government throwing a bone to its voting bloc'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'but view it as the unions leeching from the commonwealth'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'if youre so successful then stfu and enjoy your life'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I dont speak for DosseT, but I paid alot of taxes last year'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'some things arae worthwhile'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: '4 years of trillion dollar deficits aren't worthwhile'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'neither is wating money on our military'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '4 years only?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'thats how I know people are lying'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'or bailing out states who shower unions with platinum penions'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not counting the wars on the budget from the start is a lie'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Why focus so much on the beneficiaries? Who's the one bailing out whom?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'bush was almost as bad when it comes to spending'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yes he turned a surplus and a vibrant economy into a shitstorm'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Obama comes in with the house on fire, and he is worse gotcha'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: '99 weeks of unemployment benefits, and food stamps getting doled out without means testing... it's never been better to be a leech on the tit of government'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and set the middle east on fire, and started the descent into a police state'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'who knows, he might've saved us from 'nukular' annihilation'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The government created that welfare state'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'u won't find me defending bush!'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and then there was Cheney'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'And it is of this type of mentality that our modern technological world is the social embodiment. Modern technology is this conception harnessed and put to work for us. It is this which has licensed the technical mind to desecrate the whole social context, the entire planet, and to send out squads of scientific-technical experts to chart, dissect, ransack, and ravage dispassionately, on the basis of empirical evidence and experiment, and if possible by the intervention of mathematics or other specialist methodology, the total fabric of human and cosmic lifeouter space and inner conflict, art and history, public opinion and private guilt, education and healthone has only to look at the hundreds of magazines and journals in the science departments of universities and polytechnics to get an idea of the vast proliferation of this specialized interference and scrutiny. http://www.studiesincomparativereligion.com/public/articles/Modern_Science_and_the_Dehumanization_of_Man-by_Phillip_Sherrard.aspx'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but you probably voted for him :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but not to worry, Obama's got his own "boogie" men, in Holdren and that Napolitano ugly monster 'thing''
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'twyst, president's have very little to do with the economy.  unless they deficit spend 4 trillion over their term, in which case they are economically binging'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Saint ronnie blew up the deficit'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't John Kerry related to G dubbyah?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'lets see, gore won the popular vote, so how do you reason i probably voted for bush?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i like answers like that more than all the details of their interoperation'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They're all interrelated'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that looks like an interesting article, Chemos'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd be in hell on earth had Gore won'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so hobsons choice there really'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'hard to argue the counterfactual'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Gore got a nobel price, so he must be good..'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, because those nobel prizes are given to really good people'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'From fiscal year 2010 to the present, government spending  including the stimulus bill  has risen at a 1.4 percent annualized pace, slower than at any time since the 1950s.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hitler would have got one had he been around now'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'lol twyst, what a trivial statistic based on hopelessly manipulated endpoints'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Well, he got Time Man of the Year'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'try startingn at any year before 2009'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'okay set me straight'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'That is a rather short period to turn into a trend :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '3/4 of a single term'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'focusing strictly on Obama the spendthrift :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If you look at GAAP spending that is going to show a somewhat higher increase, but hardly anyone looks at that.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'Twyst its sipmle math:  if I deficit spend 1.3 trillion in 2010, and then i deficit spend 1.32 trillion in '11, and then 1.33 trillion in '12, yea the rate of growth is low on an enormous base'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'they should, though!'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'whats the breakdown of discretionary spending?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could solve your deficit almost overnight if you stopped blowing brown children to pieces'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what has changed between now and 'any year before 2009''
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'if you paid taxes, you could see in 10 seconds, but I'm guessing you don't know what a 1040 booklet even is'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'okay denigrate, you make me laugh you really do'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Kojiro, do you know who your taxes go to, and what happens with them?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'oh, just massive, unprecedented levels of govt deficit spending, twyst'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It's not income transfers'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'most of it goes toward medicare/medicaid and the military'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'in no particular order right?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That what you think?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I would pay double taxes if not a single red hot cent went to the military'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'doubling zero is still zero'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I know what you're thinking, double zero is still zero right :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Not Guilty Kojiro nods.
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i couldn't physically pay double taxes as that would mean paying more than i earn'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I would show you my w-2, but it's the internet'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'don't, keep your SSN private plz'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I paid 40k in income taxes last year, just fed take it or leave it'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'half times 2 only equates to all, not all and then some.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Your taxes pay for the welfare state'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Military is all black budget'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'what is black budget'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how does it feel that you paid more in income tax last year than most people in the UK earn in total, gross?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'How does it feel when the average recipient of income transfers makes more than the after-tax disposable income of the average worker?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'feels like government spending is too high on icnome transfers'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'happens a lot here, DosseT, it pays to be a single woman with kids'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'It is Kojiro'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They want to undermine the middle class'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the middle class is gone'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'and incentize bottom-feeding'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i know plenty of people who get paid more on unemlpoyment than they would to work, or close enough that it's not worth working and losing the subsidized vacation'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Because bottom-feeding = government teat'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Income transfers now eclipse average after-tax income'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I know I'm young n dumb but y'all making money from this ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'from what?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'No, we're not. There's higher taxes from a smaller workforce paying for an increasing welfare population'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proletariat , a citizen of the lowest class) is a term used to identify a lower social class, usually the working class'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"debates" like this gives me a good clue why intellectuals have been driven leftwards of the general population in america...'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Then our fiat money is devalued by QEs'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the apparent transfer of info'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'a member of such a class is proletarian. Originally it was identified as those people who had no wealth other than their children. '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'why are people so intent on the whole cut of your nose to spite your face thing anyway?!'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'intellectuals are usually idiots'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'err, cut off'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most of the intellectuals have fled the country, Sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism  is the group of political philosophies which advocate minimizing coercion and emphasize freedom, liberty, and voluntary association. Libertarians generally advocate a society with significantly less government compared to most present day societies.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most of the intellectuals and big moneys in the UK have gone to Switzerland'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts points at himself, obviously very confused.
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts points excitedly at Chemosh!
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Not Guilty Kojiro is agreeing with that Chemosh person again...
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that doesn't mean communism though, that's how i think societies would have naturally evolved before being conquered'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'intellectuals must not be all that smart if they WANT to give up all the extra money their smarts are supposedly bringing them.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I must admit, I'm not feeling much incentive to hang around here much longer either...'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's me! i'm that oen!'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'and any fellow libertarian-leaners out there please support my note on ideas board'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Why, Hans? They can use their power to dominate, like Mr Soros'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all becomes about agendas'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or Mr Murdoch'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'If only it were possible to expel texas or whatever and create a libertariania so the rest of us can watch them face up to reality...'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'two lovely rich people we could do without'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Noone wants to work Sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'texas is one of the best run states in the union'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'because ultimately agendas end up backfiring in a big way.  Did you know, for example, that those two make more than $250,000 a year?  Guess which group is being demonized now for not paying their fair share?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'no one wants to work?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'seem to me like you need  to collaberate on a "thing" rather than trade storiess ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when you're that rich, doesn't matter how much you get paid, you don't pay tax in the US'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'tzad -- the winner take all party system in the US means libertarians will never have a major voice'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that Not Guilty Kojiro person again...
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The welfare state is incentivizing non-work, Modi'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'all the more reason to go after their money, according to the current popular politics.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Read about people getting plastic surgery on your tax dollars'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not only that, the two party system defends itself against attack, such as the presidential debates now not allowing anyone with below 15% a position'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'excuse my lucdidity - had an episode last night - increased medication'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the only thing a libertarian can do is take votes away from the most pro-freedom party'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'east asia is about to beat the stuffing out of the west in the economic arena, and all half of them can do is whine about taxes...'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'well no one wants to do shit jobs, thats true'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'noone wants to work for minimum wage, i'll give you that'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's why there's Red Dawn remakes'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Libertarians will have a major voice when it furthers the Republicrat position shortly after.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess libertarians best chance is local/state level'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and push the repatriation of stolen states rights'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'lol sonshi... china is going to have a crash like you've never seen'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is the Red Dawn remake good ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'and japan'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think most people are naturally inclined to assist as they develop into a foundational/contributing member of society but selfishness like that 'dark tenet leading them to light' obstructed their humanity to such points as not wanting to contribute'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the villains in the new Red Dawn are not villians.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Just another oh-no-the-commies-are-attacking-oh-wait-they're-already-here'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'everybody has something they like before their dreams get destroyed'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'there is one immutable law of markets:'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i had my aspirations destroyed by the previous 3 generations fucking up my country, i have no reason to be nice or take a stake in the future'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'BUST follows boom'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'They're not free?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i'm going to hell, you're all going with me'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'sometimes booms can go on for a long time, but the bust is inevitable'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the silver lining on bubbles is that when they burst, the tech and infrastructure you got out of it is still there... it's a matter of economic management.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the real Red Dawn is my fav movie - crafed my life '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The business cycle is cyclical, like a sine curve'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Unlike a sine curve, it can be manipulated during a period'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, there's more than that, Kojiro.  "Buy low, sell high" for example.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'unfortunately you guys have refused to learn the lessons we gave you during the asian financial crisis...'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the US unemployment rate doubled in our bust.  imagine that happens in china'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I'm not talking about how to get rich!'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'which crisis is that'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the 1997 one'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'us 'guys' didn't learn any lessons from anything, including everything that's happened since the 1700s'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'unemployment doubled because demand was crushed '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'buy low, borrow at zero to buy even more at low, then sell at high is a better formula'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'quite famous'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the 2008 one.  In some places, it nearly quadrupled, and some demographics are still pretty high.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Here's a good one'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Make up the LIBOR'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Oh wait'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if we stripped away politics and looked at outcomes, the conclusions would be obvious'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'your ealize banks marked LIBOR DOWN, right?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah so they would pay shitty interest on bonds'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'with the economy depressed, now is a great time for western countries to build stuff cheaply, but nooo, you'd rather cut govt.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i like "Lie about efficacy and safety of vaccinations in collusion with the government group that makes decisions about government vaccinations in order to make a fortune", Dosset, which happened here over 30 years'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'too many threads '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't need anything built, Sonshi, we need less people'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Our government doesn't want to build'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'construction is a major contributor to climate change.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure, sure, keep your "final solution" delusions to yourself...'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have considerably more people than we can support or use'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what are you going to do TN, kill them?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not a final solution supporter'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'send them back where they came from, twyst, and stop incentivising breeding'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pull out of the EU, have some proper border controls. ANY border controls'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'too many people, jesus, looney tunes'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'curbing breeding is one of the dumbest policies china has now, economically. Watch for this to screw them over.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this isn't curbing breeding'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'banks LEND at LIBOR, not BORROW.  they were being PAID based on LIBOR.  Foolio.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'any policies we made to control growth wouldn't last long enough for them to entrench in the national psyche, rendering them overall useless.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we keep throwing money at people to breed, and we still can't get enough'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in a country of 60million idiots, we added an extra 3million through immigrants over a 10 year period'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'come take a bunch of ours, we have 40 million too many'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we already took some...'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not enough I say!'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we wouldn't mind more, but will they work for the same pay as pakistanis?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'The scandal arose when it was discovered that banks were falsely inflating or deflating their rates so as to profit from trades, or to give the impression that they were more creditworthy than they were'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hell no, they'll expect to be fed, housed, given the latest mod cons, fags and booze, and expect it for nothing in return'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well a couple hundred years of living high on the hog will do that TN'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I must confess that I have trouble believing that your countrymen are as bad as you say. Of course, I've only been to the uk once...'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'LIBOR is a benchmark; guess what happens when you manipulate downward the benchmark, making people confident in the current atmosphere'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'blowback from colonialism'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the figure speak for themselves'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'your people seem every bit as vital as others, except for being somewhat anti-intellectual in comparison these days...'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vital?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'England is the most densely populated country in Europe, excluding Monaco which really doesn't count'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'austerity? Libertarianism? You can't have small govt and a strong economy at the same time... yet so many seem to believe that you can'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Depends on your size'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why not, Sonshi?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'because the govt needs to manage the economy to damp out destructive swings, and promote the spread of information, industry, etc.?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can do that without being 'big''
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Keynesian?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and ensure that markets are free, that the people feel safe enough to create, innovate, and do business...'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the people can be the government in libertarianism, providing for themselves - what's bought and sold for money is provided by people'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how would libertarians build the hoover dam?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'only thing stopping that from happening is selfishness and sense of entitlement - through realizing that it'd be efficient as a group and not taking as many risks as they did when they built the one there'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'generally, the number and size of things that society as a whole can do together, but individuals can't, means that govt needs to have a significant presence in order to reach optimal output'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'if the ROI of the hoover dam warranted it, the govt can borrow money to fund'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the US currently has a big government and they want to make it bigger.  Our market is rather fragile at the moment, because nobody's sure what's going to happen between obamacare and the cliff.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'also conditioning/ignorance, since that kind of system probably hasn't been around for a long time'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for example, providing competition in health care, housing, regulation for markets, environmental and social protections... to name a few'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'all of that can be done cheaply, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Not all ROI is monetized'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the 'fiscal cliff', bemoaned by Republicans but demanded by them at the same time'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Are you in finance?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I'm retired'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the return on many of these projects are returns to the people... you'd need to tax them to repay the cost.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yes because our Healthcare system is one of the cheapest yet has one of the best outcomes right Kojiro'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if building a new highway costs x and the gains to the economy are 2x, you're going to have to get back the x somehow, since the 2x isn't going to the govt'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you tax, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'That's assuming you have working human capital'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yes... that's why there's a need for lots of taxation to build these things'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'libertarians are not for zero tax, they are for small and efficient government, and against wealth transfers'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'What if half of your human capital isn't capital at all, and is leeching from the other half'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'sonshi u sound chineses'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'comopetition is something needs to be done and who's capable and deemed trustworthy by the group to do it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'just wait, the chinese reckoning is on its way'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, complaining about wealth transfer is how they try to shift the burden of taxation to the poor'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'There's the actual poor, then the incentivized "poor"'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'chinese cant play mud can they?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'wealth has been transferred to the top in insane amounts'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'In theory, the poor are actual poor'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the government is a terrible allocator of resources'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'should the profits of these projects go entirely to the rich?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not here.  The poor are middle class, practically.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah they have such a great lifestyle, I'm sure you're just waiting in line to join them'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you look at the figures from the bls for labour share of income, it has been dropping steadily over the last few decades'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you guys haven't seen the youtube video yet on how to get transfers to make u rich???'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in fact, may of those considered financially poor have more amenities than those closer to or just above the poverty line (ie, those who don't qualify for assistance).'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'I have'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'I loaned $10,000 to a Nigerian prince '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's an investment :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'no I haven't seen the video'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's now somewhat below 60%. There's really no good reason why doctors, technicians, and even CEOs take less than 60% of the national income while capital gets the rest.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's not very efficient.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'so labor should organize and get a bigger share'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but this entire conversation started by demonizing labor for doing just that'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'unless the workers actually don't have skills and the products they are making aren't actually profitable, in which case they are not going to share in the profits'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'this is not a problem that can be solved at that level... it's an economic problem'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'debate -h 200'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they want everybody to be slaves in 'arbeit macht nicht frei' asocial experiments, while the scientists pass along the trade to their children, which judas iscariot apparently didn't have any of'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in fact, the CEOs and the rank and file labourers are on the same side of this labour share problem.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'twyst, I'm 100% for the tension between labor and capital being solved via private market outcome'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'if the workers add value, then unionize and fight for a share of profits'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'The problem is when Big Daddy bails you out when you know you're going to fail'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's not going to work'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'if they don't, as most don't, then capital gets a bigger share (i.e. mcdonalds)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'which you somehow blamed on labor'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the source for this disparity is most likely an increase in monopoly power.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no, I said the government is much mor ebeholden to unions than corporations'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'specifically public sector unions'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Ford didn't make it to the top by squeezing every last drop from his workforce'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it never made it to the top?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DosseT: 'Well, the corporations are already the government, so may as well cater to your voting bloc, right'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if they were, you'd think this problem would be fixed'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Henry Ford'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'how many votes did corporations cast in ohio?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'hint:  it's the amount of taxes you paid'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'corporations injected billions into this last cycle due to citizens united'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'meanwhile the  SEIU pays people to protest against anti-labor republicans'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'with one party in the US steadily radicalising, yet not losing significant support, I'm worried that they'll see no disincentive to radicalising further...'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you can't teach an old dog new tricks'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Gunmen shoot dead women's affairs official in Laghman, while Nimroz province police chief dies in roadside bombing. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2012/12/201212106318879255.html you think it's possible to reason with people like that, or the people who sent them?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you can yatter until you're blue in the face and your feebleness only makes them feel stronger'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'for them there seems to be only one solution'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'possibly both were crooks, but they were working for somebody, on both sides - where's the end lie?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'always corruption wins in the world because people pledge allegiance to the lesser of two evils that they see the most gain from to justify their support'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not having very much power, but you see the end of their allegiance over and over in history - who survives is who does the will of who's in control upon the supporters - so it's really very pointless to cling to any of these earthly ideologies with any faith or feeling of security'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so, at least the mind can remain uncorrupted by the earth's twisted versions of justice'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or death is a factor in some places, either they choose yes or they die - usually with increased populations this is applied more frequently and has more of an impact in selecting for other's who fear as the fear becomes number over time and the collapse occurs among the demoralized'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seeing after the undeath though, is the second death - possibly, that future that repeats itself in the past again and again'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and building that's more of an enemy than dying, relatively'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'life has almost no value in some places'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'survival is going with the flow or being shot, and they don't see the end of the stream being genocide, like it was before'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so it's a lose/lose situation for them, and the only chance of prevention was to do things themselves against 'the second death''
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but, that doesn't happen - that's how i see it anyways, the immutable enemy'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they don't teach the process of dehumanization in school because they're part of it'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they'll mourn the crimes of the nazi's though, that's just fine - at least they have a distant recollection of what kind of horror that a government is capable of'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'things like terror management theory even, these are things studied by extremely wealthy and influential people, but how many people are aware that the sorrow of a politician isn't always neccessarily real?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's handy to engineer them though, whatever form of system they hail from - some empathy shows the human side of the shining ones'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'on some occassions it may even be sincere, they're humans right?  but on other levels they see it as neccessary'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'while it doesn't elevate an individual to ruling themselves, they feel their master descending to their level for a moment'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even as it's written in the bible, 'the servant shall be as the master' in the temple of heaven '
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so it has some religious intonations'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can't expect everybody to be as much of a pessimist as me though, i am optimistic of people's ability to one day transcend common deceptive tactics used by their killers, at least to their own judgement, whether or not they have any control over it'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'otherwise they might as well be robots'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'how do we make him stop talking/'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'turn it off'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'but football :('
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'I hate you obama'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'surely some kids dieing is more important than your football'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'FUCK OFF OBAMA'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'try not to be so insensitive.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'first you take my guns, then you take my right to deny people medical care, now you're taking my football?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'surely something will be gained from this 30 min speech that has already been said?'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'dur derpa derpa duur duur. duuur derpa derpa duRRR. derp derp duuur duurrr'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'yah we are powerless..just like we can't protect ourselves from lighting strikes..random shit is random'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'yess..its over'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'wait for the meteorite in 2029, all our troubles will be over then :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nothing's scheduled to have any real chance of actually striking Earth until at least the latter half of the 22nd century.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the 2029 meteorite will come below satellite orbits, the nudge it will get from the Earth gravity will cause it to change orbits and increase the change of a collision when it returns in 2036.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we are talking about less than 23K miles on the first pass-through, so if anything moves it on the way here it will strike the first time.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'we could always get Bruce willis and Ben Affleck to take it out.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the worst thing you can do to a near-Earth object is blow it up :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'is this an extinction event, or will it be a golfball by the time it hits surface'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they could try to attach an engine on it and drive it away :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they're developing plans to do just that with a 1-2 punch sort of thing, where the first shot digs a hole and the second pulverizes whatever part of the big rock was left.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it will be moving at about 12 Kmh... and it's the size of Texas.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I meant 12 kms'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they've gotten confident about such an act, due to the Deep Impact mission.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'on the bright side, we'll probably be screwed before then'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'isn't the world ending in five days anyways :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is predicted that if enteres the atmosphere it will incinerate everything within a 1000 mile  radius in about 1 minute.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's before it strikes and causes a worldwide tsunami :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but, hey, if you are a miner at work, you might survive :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or an astronaut'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, though the ejecta from the impact is going to reach trans-satellite space.'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not all around the earth in a perfect sphere'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and there is the problem of where to land :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'volcanoes are not going sit idle while the ocean has all the fun :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/12/16/connecticut-school-shooting.html look at how the comments on this page all attack people's mental health and the downsides of voluntary institutionalization'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they don't mention the doctor in quebec who left the asylum after killing his children, just before they changed the laws of mental health to make it more difficult - kills his kids and gets about 1-2 years in mental heatlh not criminally responsible, suddenly sane and released'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how about how mentally ill people resulted in the selection process of the nazi's and other groups in the past'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it wasn't only , or originally in germany'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how about the premeditated cursor of the air force pilot who flew the prime minister of canada around, with a addiction to serial rape and murder'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seemed like a pretty asocial fellow, obviously that's how you determine a criminal'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'take notes and pass them on to your offspring on how genocidal fascism gets normalized in the world, bury them somewhere that they can't find - tesla expects this to be ordinary by the year 2100, according to forbes'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'economic darwinism already does this ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Holdren this for instance, i could also go on a repetitive discourse on the USSR and Stasi roots, inclusive of the 'shining race' present in the governments of the west today - but doesn't really matter does it?  '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and add in the usual questionable material like the terror management theory they study'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess so, galileo and this bacon and descartes'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you don't believe in racial memory Dru ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'instinctual enmity maybe, but i think that's similar to how the denied purpose of humanity is imposed on people, it just doesn't feel right/disharmony'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'racial memory applies to the entire human race not portions of it.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i did see that there are some passionate racists out there though, that insist on eradication of people based upon material traits, inherient in their evil genetics'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so the term has currency here then ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is there a way to split that type of memory into race ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as far as not thinking goes, asocial air force doctor, maybe everybody who doesn't compare things very much themselves to get a better insight in their sharp judgement is feeble and should be institutionalized'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'racial memory has nothing to do with racism. Racial memory refers to the information stored in our Mitochondrial DNA which gets passed on generation after generation. It can be shown that all humans alive share the same Mitochondrial DNA'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Mitochondrial DNA is passed maternally.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'please define "same"'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'there are at least 5 different haplotypes in the mitochondria'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'and then there is mutation'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'so, all humans do not have the same mtDNA except in the broad sense that they all share the same genome'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Slav is heading in the same way I was '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Swal*'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it doesn't matter because that type of dna uses copies of itself when it recombines.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'there is not type of DNA -- there is just DNA'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'DNA is all the same, this is why it has the same name'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'and if it recombines with itself, then you would not be able to tell'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, and there are no types of cars just cars since they all  function the same way.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'are we still with the 75%nature 25% nurture theory ? racial memory may be imprinted later ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i noticed that the article states the shooter was wearing black bodysuit with black mask, vice principal got shoot in the foot but i haven't heard her testimony yet - police arrived fairly quickly and nobody seems to have seen his face until the ending when they found the body in the room'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm interested in what the vice prinicipal seen, stature of the man etc, i guess they probably got the correct guy there'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm skeptic with things like the USSR connections i seen etc, no other reason but prevention of population control, like syria danny doing a publicity stunt for CNN'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's terrible though, i agree there 100%, that's about as cruel as anybody can get to do something like that - but it's not unique to this day and age and has systematically been done to countless millions in the past - like holdren there's wikipedia article indicates he was interested in at one poitn'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Holdren see'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Plausible deniability is a term coined by the CIA during the Kennedy administration to describe the withholding of information from senior officials in order to protect them from repercussions in the event that illegal or unpopular activities by the CIA became public knowledge. '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Academi[2]previously known as Xe Services LLC, Blackwater USA and Blackwater Worldwideis a private military company founded in 1997 by Erik Prince and Al Clark.[3][4] Academi is currently the largest of the U.S. State Department's three private security contractors.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but, after that's cleared, obviously there's alot less of a group of people to consider as having specialty interests - possibly just an oppressed child of the system who lashed out against the injustice of it all in his own evil way'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'bit sweeping media campaigns with one-sided stigmatizations are pretty suspicious though, no media channel noticing all the others already reported what they repeat'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but we'll see what they have in mind, possibly it's nothing malevolent, survival of the hedonist or otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's a crime to be aware of such people and their beliefs?  that's a new one'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'oh well, i'm probably wrong - but if i'm not, it wasn't my fault it happened'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's just observation of history and belief that the people who made it happen shaped the future which we live in'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'just a fun fact from the NSA database - $ cat 2012debate.txt | grep -Pc 'Druzil:|Chemosh:' -> 8603'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'oh ok, so your hate machine was a government experiment and you're out to get me'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's good to know'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'just kidding, it's not NSA database. it's actually abelinc's. he's been spying on you'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i was just curious how many lines you produce in a single year'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, he's some kind of an enemy of freedom of transient text '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he'll probably sell people out to the new muslim brotherhood advisors to the next adolf hitler and things like that, in his information empire'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you have said hitler 73 times vs 48 obama'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as long as you're sending the gulag out to get me for my freedom of speech contextual statements'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and only 46 times "muslim"'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but i won't be going with your master to be tortured in toenail peeling holocaust camps, i'll just take it straight up'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'holocaust 47 times'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how about stalin'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and jew too'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '122 for stalin'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and 133 jews'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they like to punish people for noticing their shit stinks and some of them work for the USSR'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'make sure you pass it onto your death-camp selection programme and inform them that i won't go with the nice men in fema death camp uniforms'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they can work for me, i'm not working for them'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you see that's funny though, i was right all along during my talking about the hatred that is this world'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so every word was justified'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in it's own twisted way'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not saying anything wouldn't have made the result any different'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but this way they know that they're not beyond detection'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and at least my ghost will always hate theirs'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all them words i said, and america's led by a man who thought 210 million people was too much, that's what, over 100 million homicides he had in mind before rising to the top?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess my words against his lies are considerable material, i wonder who'd be banned from leading a country first'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess to be fair, i never wrote in any professional capacity , unlike him'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sort of like people say 'i'll kill you' but they're just being sly'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they don't really mean it all the time , do they?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe the guy from frankfurt east germany who was 1/4 Stasi police state'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or the comptroller in Azerbaijan , or the 54 congressmen working for them'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or the unknown guy making the next USSR in armenia in 2013 with his confidence'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but you can pull law on me all you like, they just better come to shoot me in the head instead of arresting me for your trecherous intellectual racism'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or the guy who built the museum's links to ussr twice'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'being arrested by the enemy law , they're act of war trespassing on the territory i was led to believe in, so i guess the law doesn't apply to them'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm,the installed cost of solar panels for residential and business has dropped to $6.10 a watt in 2012, and the installed cost for industrial of 2000 kwatts or higher has dropped to $3.25 a watt.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'server farms now use 2% of global electricity requirements in 2012, and it is growing fast.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's probably where it'll peak, thanks to new technology'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'from 2011 to 2012, it increased by 11%'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably mostly growth abroad'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Breaking Bad is such a good show....everyone should sell meth when they get cancer.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'Tiger'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'what do you think of Tesla?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nutjob'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good scientist though'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'should have realized edison was just screwing him over though.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so not so smart business wise.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'ta'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so really, the person to blame for the lastest massacre: The shooter's mother'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that and the fact that a well regulated militia = anybody'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and arms = anything'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, it is the federal govts fault for allowing US companies to get lower taxes by allowing foreign revenue to count towards US revenue taxwise.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if that 20 year old had some hope and not just depair cause he couldnt find a decent living wage job...he might not have done what he did.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, it wasn't really to do with that, Riz, it was because he was mentally ill and his idiot mother had unsecured semi automatic rifles'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'his mom made 300k last year from alimony, why would he be in despair?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wouldnt mind 300k from alimony.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go retire to the beach and fish everyday.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you have guns and kids, you make sure they're secure from your kids. if you have mentally ill kids, you either need to be absolutely sure about the security of the guns, or just not risk having them'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if semi-auto rifles were banned, there would've been fewer casualties...'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would have made no difference'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'who said this lanza fuck was mentally sick?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I like the idea of banning high capacity magazines'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just about everyone, kojiro'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bs, if the principal had a gun in a safe and knew how to use it, fewer people would have died.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'agree, riz, agree thoroughlu'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the 6 year olds could have taken that skinny fuckwad down if he had to reload'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yes, because the fort hood guy was stopped in his tracks right Riz?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'oh wait, didn't matter'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you know that two other mall shootings this week were stopped because of citizens with guns?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't hear THAT on MSNBC now, did you?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no tiger, can u send links?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which, koj?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'both'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hard to win a gunfight with a crazy guy, unless you're crazy too'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, last base I delivered to with my food truck....except for the gate guards, most of the soldiers didnt have weapons.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ask any soldier...'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'this debate is really analogous to the nuclear proliferation debate on a smaller scale'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if every country had nukes, would we be A. more safe B. totally fucked'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'his mom was law abiding.  if the SA rifles and high capacity mags were illegal, she wouldn't have them and he wouldn't have had access to them either'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'anyone tries to rob our food trucks though will get a bad surprise....all our workers have concealed permits, and 2 guns in each of the trucks.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/14/adam-lanza-school-shooter-suspect_n_2304708.html'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/16/newtown-mental-health/1773479/http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/16/newtown-mental-health/1773479/'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324677204578183910797348422.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_LEFTTopStories'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'not the mental health, the other shootings'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.infowars.com/armed-citizen-not-police-prevented-massacre-in-oregon/'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just wait, if the economy stays stagnant for much longer....those shootings will increase....perhaps even weekly.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I haven't read an article claiming access to his medical records.  The mental health seems to be an assumption b/c he did a crazy thing.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually that links to a couple of others similar ones'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but then, the economy is only real stagnant in a few industries....if you actually want to work for a living, you can find a job.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well there was a quote from his brother, kojiro, but i can't find that one right now'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's depressed across the board, except in a few industries.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'manufacturing in Texas is making a comeback as companies from china and california come here.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil and gas is booming here as well, so is real estate.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'wow, great article tiger'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though interesting that some left wing press are pushing "the mother was a prepper, therefore that's why he did it" angle, which has been part of their plan for a number of years to demonise the libertarian movement'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I wish they would post the security footage of that'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can measure how depressed an industry is with a simple test... how are wages doing in that industry?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what part of libertarianism allows you to have a mini arsenal?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or encourages I guess'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has nothing to do with it, twyst'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's kinda the point'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the same part which encourages stockpiling rpgs!'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'see, if you aren't free to endanger your fellow countrymen, how free are you really?!'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'there are approximately 300 million weapons in the usa, but only 1/3 people have guns'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go to a 2 year tech college and learn how to work on wind mills....we have tons of those jobs here in Texas, since Texas is leading the country in installing wind turbines for the last 4 years.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's only 3 each then'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hardly an arsenal'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'on average, but you have people with 1 gun'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, I have at least 20 guns that I know of, and have more stored away in places.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '^^^'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'amybe so, twyst, but enthusiasts might have a dozen for various purposes, not all guns are the same, you know'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but getting back to the point, kojiro, you know that the FBI have been teaching recruits and state troopers that returning veterans, libertarians, and preppers are the primary terrorist threat?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because preppers are the opposite of collectivists'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and interestingly, the deaths per population in gun massacres in the USA is very little different to the UK'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gun massacres are an anomoly'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I know a company in Virginia that has about 80,000 guns....do they count ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gun deaths closely track poverty and gang culture, not gun ownership'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They have guns from when they were first invented to modern guns.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'come on'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'come on what?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so gun ownership has nothing to do with gun violence?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '1 person died of gun violence in Japan'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/335-156/12554-58-murders-a-year-by-firearms-in-britain-8775-in-us'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's like saying car ownership is responsible for car accidents'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope, if you wanted to kill someone, you will do it regardless....even if itmeans ramming a van into a crowd of people at 60 mph'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'uk is less than half of the states per capita'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you have to be licensed and registered to own a car'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not gun massacres, dagnir'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how many in mexico?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so just massacres then, isn't that a tortured statistic?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Mexico is a war zone practically'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '[citation needed]'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how many in switzerland?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how many in australia before their laws changed?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Canada has more guns than the US does, and their violent crime rate is lower than the US, but their property crime rate is twice as high.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'd rather be shot than robbed any day of the week'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir raises an eyebrow at Twyst's weird actions.
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'brazil, jamaica, argentina, uruguay, barbados'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'sorry brain freeze'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'at least you didn't cofuse "than" and "then"'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I should have been a chemist.....chemistry was my fav subject in high school and college.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state has some interesting statistics'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'from those stats, you can see that the non-gun homicide rate is fairly low in most states...'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just means guns are the tool of choice, if they didn't exist, you'd find knives being used instead'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'suuure... ever notice the difference in lethality?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We need to abolish the death penalty.....it does not work.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah because you can easily stab 30+ people to death before the authorities arrive'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some of the lowest gun crime states have the lowest homicide rate'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the idea of being armed, twyst'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'all normal countries already have abolished death penalty'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'only US, japan, china and belarus afaik'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the lowest gun crime states cetainly do have much lower homicide rates... but their non-gun rate is not much lower, if at all'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'err, certainly'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the best thing you can do is some sensible laws government the correct storage of guns when they're not on your person'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the best thing would be to have ultimate responsibility fall on the owner'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well so it should'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the owner of the lanza guns took responsibility'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if she had lived, she would have been scott free'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i doubt that'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'she could have been prosecuted. if she got away scott free them blame your judiciary, not the guns'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'she didn't break any laws, nothing to prosecute except emotions'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes she did'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'hence my suggestion'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'pray tell'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'she allowed her LICENSED weapons to get into the hands of an unlicensed person'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's accessory to 27 accounts of murder by any accounts'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they were stolen'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shouldn't have been possible to steal them'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's not illegal'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but it should be'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they truly were secure and yet were stolen, then it's the thief's responsibility'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'still the owner's in my view'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it is illegal here. if you own guns, you have to have proper storage for them'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so if someone steals your car, then drives it into a shop front, you're responsible for the damage are yo u?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'cars are made for transportation, they are incidentally dangerous'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'while it is certainly tempting to hold gun owners responsible for negligence like that, in any democracy, you can't convict someone for (accessory to) murder without any evidence of intent...'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you would be perhaps if you left it unlocked with the keys in'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'guns are made for the efficient killing'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cars aren't required for transport, you can use a bike, or public transport'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any more than guns are required for self defence'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or knives are used for cutting stuff up'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why i said you should have laws concerning the correct secure storage of weapons'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so should civilians be banned from owning rpgs?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, in a pragmatic sense, you can't really use rpg's for self defence'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what if someone tries to run you down with a car?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a rpg won't help you'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or if someone behind a barrier has an rpg?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a rifle won't be of much help then!'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what if someone sent a drone? Why, wouldn't you need an anti-aircraft missile then?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'also, how many guns are necessary for self defense?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if rpg's weren't allowed, why would someone else have rpgs?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, sonshi, a high powered rifle would do fine'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if rifles weren't allowed, why would someone have rifles?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rifles have wider scope for defence than againt someone else with rifles'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but you'd need anti-tank guns if the gubmint sent tanks against you! Oh noes!'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you would, but you can be assured that it won't take people long to dig them out if they're needed, legal or not'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'same can be said for rifles'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rifles are no good against government tanks'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in fact, rifles are easier to manufacture than anti-tank weaponry'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'guns cause situations to escalate'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll just end up going around in circles here, best just leave it at "you don't agree with gun ownership, despite living in a country where guns are largely banned, i do believe in gun ownership, and if i were to live in the USA, knowing what the people AND the governance is like, i'd fucking well want them"'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's bull'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what about the guy in Florida who shot the teenagers in a car'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'for having loud music'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what about 96yr old who defended himself and his property against 3 buglars?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, knowing what the people are like, I'd kind of want a gun too, admittedly.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so the question is whats more common, self defense or senseless murder?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but I'd much rather they just ban them and weed them out,.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well then, we should be a little slower than to judge'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'self defence'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'iirc more guns are used against their owner than effective self defence'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if you say so'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look on the bright side, if you don't agree with gun ownership, nobody is forcing you own them'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'd like everyone else not to have them either, thankyouverymuch'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'same could be said about abortion, gay marriage'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'drugs'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its a spurrious argument'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd like everyone else not to tell me what i can eat or smoke, not to tell me what electric i'm allowed to use, and where i have to live'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no one is forcing you to buy politicians either! So buying politicians is fine, right?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd like everyone else not to steal >50% of my salary each month'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'working out great for your country, there, huh?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i personally make a choice not to buy polticians'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you'll find buying politicians is illegal in this country, but it doesn't stop anyone'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, and it's perfectly fine with you that other people buy your politicians?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fatuous argument'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'no one is forcing you to use welfare, so nothing wrong with it right?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best make sure we get rid of all knives, too, and forks, and pointy sticks'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'bad stuff happens, but why make it easier'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it's the argument you used...'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I could do the same thing this guy did tomorrow'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if I didn't have access to firearms, it would be a lot harder'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'knives, forks, etc. have a large net (measurable!) benefit to society.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why ban marijuana, are we going to ban paint thinner'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and glue as well?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ban cars, motorbikes, ban breathing'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ban people called Sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'those also have a large measurable benefit to society.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i disagree'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you disagree? With what? Breathing? motorbikes? Cars?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo,  juicier, sweeter, more disease-resistant watermelons are coming soon!'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'pisses me off to think of white women being ritualistically raped by exploiting black men who are free from criticism because of their sympathy-race card'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'juicer, sweeter, and more disease resistant white women ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they don't teach 1804 haiti in school because only one race is a criminal that wasn't saudi arabia selling slaves that conform to their religion in the first place'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or the handoff of the necklace of it's 'non-adolf' perpetrator to the leader of ehtiopea in the 1960's-70's'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'racism's not alive and well, think liberal'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how come african nations are the only ones which openly preach black pride?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or racial pride rather, i guess israel might be close behind'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think china teaches evil japanese, and looking at japanese past-times i'm not sure they're 100% inaccurate'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'vietnam is proud of fending off the mongolians'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think on it anyways, call it racism or observation which is visible in reality'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't hate somebody cause they're a certain color or makeup, i hate them because of the beliefs they subscribe to'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sort of like they're claiming because somebody doesn't say much and is timid, that is a definite sign that they're going to be a serial killer - while they trust in people's ignorance in not remembering the social skills required to run an international criminal organization, fly world leaders around with hobbies of being serial-rapists and murderers, or doctors who kill their own children, are found not criminallyr esponsible in quebec, and become sane right before the law changes making their sanity more difficult to determine'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see how that is the same mindless hatred as racists are led by, they lack the intellectual faculties and self-determination of best judgement, quick to go along with the group in their one-sided deliberation of the ostracized subject matter'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'imo, everybody who joins in with their vast generalizations is the real people who's a threat'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people aren't taught about the evolution of places like nazi germany, how they built on the eugenics programs already developed in the west and other places'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'somebody calls you a retard and somebody agrees?  well you're in for it now'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're not joking, they expect people to go along with them because they are the law and the media'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but they'll attack somebody who's not the law and not the media first, that's just how they do things, hypocrites forever'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'have you ever seen syria danny explained on national television?  how come they found it neccessary to totally stage an interview claiming to be in a warzone?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'trust in our media and our judgement as being the truth, and punish people who lie about our version of reality'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what does it have to do with the price of heroin from afghanistan ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ok then, that's interesting, somebody with an opinion with no power is more dangerous than a false media story - which was used in university archives of guatemala'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what does the sudden influx of opiate medication have to do with the war on terror?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'want an answer?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm antisocial, come join my gang i hate you too much to give you orders, take your own - now we're onto something that smuggles 27 million human slaves in 2011, obviously the power of ignorance is stronger than the truth'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, survival of the fittest and all, he who lies to himself the most is the best specimin to hand into the bunsen burner of the future'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'pisses me off to no end, i just go with the hatred and that's what the internet's for'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Amen Dru !'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'only crime i ever did was crimethink like in 1984 novel, who wrote the storylines for every hollywood movie of horror'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so i consider criminals with the lingo of the media, joking about every form of disgust there is on earth'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'bothers some people i guess, to see them cartoonized like adolf hitler in the cartoons - their ego demands respect and all that - not their wisdom or guidance'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how come i don't fear big men?  i have too much self-respect to waste respect on people i believe to be my enemies'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'world of lies or not, worshipping the sacred ignorance to survive - i like to see the truth and to receive it's not very easy'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how about syphillis experiments in the usa in 1930-1970, and their promise of no more human experimentation practiced through the internet ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'well, that's interesting - i guess what they do's no worse than i said - or the synthetic progress systems we're born in'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'you have an interesting mind Dru '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, somebody'll probably try to have it pickled depending how many bullets they put in it'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if that's the end , i'm not sure what's there yet though'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'wear a helmet for science !'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i already resigned myself to death in this world over 15 years ago - the end doesn't intimidate me very much of this life'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'll just go until i stop, see what i see and do what i do etc, i'm not going to invest too heavily in this world'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'rather accepting the end enpowers one imo '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'I've heard the afterlife has an ROI to die for'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'there is no afterlife , leave it all on the battleground mate '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe if you sold your soul to satan, but i doubt god honors ignorant contracts of liars'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know if they're real either, but i don't deny they are'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'best play life like there is no other imo '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, but that's kind of depressing like believing the people born in contentration camp had their little taste of heaven'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't accept resigning myself to that belief, i allow them to be beyond the grave in some possible alternate dimension, like waking up from a dream in a dream'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so much or religion is coping mechanisms , if your comfortable with that , I'll not argue '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, and so much earth thinks it's the god of god's'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the master-scientist with his human bug collection'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'born with all the power in the world given to him by his dictator pappy and his system of death-enforcement and corruption'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'the universe just is, how we navigate is our choice .. sometimes '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i hope one day they'll fall, but i don't make that hope a religion'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'if it is not action it is nothing imo '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not always coping mechanisms though, otherwise it wouldn't be so self-destructive - coping isn't inflicting harm on oneself to take their mind off the injustice of life'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'except in some twisted way'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'well, nothing's subjective, and the subject is nothing'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'knowledge is nothing, they just claim all knowledge has origins in this world'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe everything's just a physical hallucination of metaphysics, but i'm not certain about that'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'got all moribund on us, ChemosH?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'would you change if it was ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think if there is god, he can reveal himself to who he wills'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we are god / as above so below '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government is god and they own you'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i think somebody should put cattle tags on the government and change the order of repetitive operation a little'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I am Goddess of my microcosm'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it's how they think is how you say, tigernuts'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who knows, maybe obama will try to ban all guns and you'll have a civil war, that'll stir things up a bit'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'nah they'll tighten gun control a lil more to make it look like they did something until next time '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think that's really what will happen, tzad'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'silly thing is there's stuff that can be done to help that pro-gun people wouldn't object to'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'pro gun people love to argue slippery slope'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'death is no good but , if everybody lived forever and reproduced, there'd be nothing left after awhile right?  - the politics i'm most interested in is what's being done to non-violently instill a sense of purpose and responsibility that isn't enforced by other than understanding, transgression understood by the mass ruling itself and dealt with as they deem neccessary - as an eventual outcome of 'human evolution''
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'of society'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just when you have dippy cunts like Piers Morgan, who has absolutely no right to even open his shitridden mouth at all on the matter, preaching being an art of heretic hypocrisy on his part, calling for complete gun bans, and other such sentiments coming from celebrities who wouldn't give a shit anyway because they have paid bodyguards'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'things like that'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is irrelavent for me - I break Oz firearms law everytime I leave the house , or am in the house  come to think of it .. '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Oz's gun crime rates were going down before they banned guns, hasn't gone down any faster since'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ditto UK'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'now it's totally perverted and disgusting, ruled by criminals or extreme ideologies of faith in human ignorance, etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '"when guns are outlawed , only outlaws will carry guns"'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so what have you seen in your lifetime, that moves towards a wiser world society?  '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ron Paul, Chemosh, really'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'easy fix, gun position = life in prison no parole'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or is it mostly violence and fear'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'possession rather'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'greed and materialism'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'by my carrying a firearm has saved my butt on more than one occasion , I have not killed anyone with one ... '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'trying to think of something this year that has made me think positively about the human race'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, can't think of anything'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I live Tiggy :D'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'is positive :D'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'there  ya go !'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know full well what i mean :-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah but ... small things :D'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'first world problems :p'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess that black guy in NJ who got off posession charges successfully because he is disabled and argued medical use and the jury nullified the case'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I am not a first world problem , just a first world soln :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'tbh feed em pot n cut off thier dole '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess in a slightly twisted way, North Korea's satellite launch was a bright point, if nothing more than a sticking two fingers up at the oppressors way'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'imo NK is China's bastard child'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yeah, korean war was a proxy war, but it came about because of failures in the American/Allies handling of the situation after the end of ww2'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wouldn't mind having an arsenal of every kind of firearm there was an my own personal nuclear bunker collection - it'd be a thing of survival that probably alot of rich people have set aside for themselves - but one arguement i like about why people should be able to possess firearms, is how armed were the victims of the gulag and the einsatzgruppen in the 1920-1950 period?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'sounds like Israel'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's possible some lives get saved because they're armed, in the eventg of becoming a police state'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what the 2nd ammendment was for'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'almost exactly that'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the second amendment was because of colonial england taking advantage of the colonists'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I believe it is my responsability to protect myself , partially with firearms '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the context, yes'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they didn't dream of modern weapons'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, they didn't dream that the people who become outgunned'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that isn't justification for doing away with it'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we can't make nukes - we the ppl - but we can make just about anything else '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'not really, 2USAmend grants the right to the citizen to protect himself against government use of force. Though Posse Comitatus addresses that issue now.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we can't make aircraft'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'posse commitatus is dead'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'were you aware that the US has been in a state of emergency constantly since the 70s? President can suspend posse commitatus at any time he wants under that'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'nevertheless, it is still the law, and 2USAmend does not grant the right to the citizen to use weapons on another citizen, just on the armed forces.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol I've flown n made model aircraft for a while , I could make something that flies but not an F-22'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'every 2 years they renew the state of emergency under some trumped up nonsense'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't say that at all, anaristos'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'hard targets only - include police ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'except maybe by 'armed forces' you mean 'aggressors that are armed''
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as opposed to the conventional interpretation of armed forces being "the army"'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'force as required ..'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: '"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's pretty clear'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in other words, the citizen has the right to protect himself against the militia (armed forces)'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'except now well regulated militia equals joebob'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you might have that a little backwards, the people ARE the militia'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'AND Sueanne :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not defending against a militia (well they might), but not exclusively'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'think of what i thought when i seen this guy is a pretty influential person though -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Holdren according to the article, there's material written in a 'professional context' by him in the 70's which claimed 210 million people was too much already, america's population is now over 312 million'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Holdren's a nasty piece of work'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, the people are the militia, I don't argue that. But just as the 1USAmend grants the citizen the right to speak against the government, 2USAmend grants the citizen the right to protect himself against the goverment (when its actions threatens the free state).'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2012/11/19/tesla-eugenics-and-rationalizing-dehumanization/ and then since the elites of this world like to follow prophetic statements by great ones of themselves, tesla's 2100 might be a foregone conclusion in their eyes'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'we need more consumers to protect the growth model .. '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'agree, anaristos'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how might such a conflict come into force? if Barry Obama or his successor starts launching executive orders that States nullify or decide are unconstitional'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'note he's already backed off with Colorado/Washington about the pot, he doesn't want a legal fight'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(besides knowing that he hasn't a leg to stand on)'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or really caring at all about pot'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'never direct confrontation ... just bit by bit as the media massages the masses'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Obama didn't event excutive orders, all presidents use the tool. LBJ used one to lauch the Viet Nam era (though JFK was president at the onset of the conflict).'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what this connecticut circus is alla bout'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not 20 dead 5 year olds'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'a ploy for political power, gotcha'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, well on that note Anaristos, let's compare how many Executive Orders Barry Obama has signed compared to the others'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shall we?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'teddy roosevelt 3, others prior to FDR, 0. FDR 11 in 16 years'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'actually LBJ used an NSAM, NSAM-273'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Truman 5 in 7 years'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'how many ppl has nicotine killed in the US this year ? and we are up in arms about 20 kids ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how many filibusters did they experience?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ike 2 in 8 years, JFK 4 in 3 years'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'LBJ 4 in 5 years, Nixon 1 in 6 years'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ford 3 in 2 years, Carter 3 in 4 years'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how many of their congressman got together secretly to stall any part of his agenda'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'even non controversial things?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Reagan 5 in 8 years, Bush 1  3 in 4 years'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'CLinton 15 in 8 years'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am curious, how many did the Bush sign?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'BUsh 2 62 in 8 years'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama 923 in 4 years'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(923 wasn't a typo)'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'America would come to a standstill'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'lol you hear my thoughts Tiggy '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I must say that less people have died by Obama's execs. Let's do a body count on the ones Bush signed.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'due to the obstruction'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'twyst, you're talking arse, you're talking like there's never been a split house before'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how many filibusters'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'actually split houses are rather common.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'nothing wrong witha  split house'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how many filibusters'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have interweb, go look it up'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tzadkiel has a split house 
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'split house. in the middle of the streeet..'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the ability to filibuster is kept in only because it benefits both sides, it could be done away with the stroke of a pen'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'filibusters are retarded, i don't understand why you people permit their continued usage'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so claiming he's signed 923 because of filibusters is crap'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'UK Red ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i'm from singapore'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'OH, never been there '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can't filibuster in the UK either, if you're wondering'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's kind of ominious, that in 1912 they were preparing for a mass-genocide across the world campaign, and 100 years later there's normalized death again'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'don't you think?  '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's about due, Chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'it seems to me that the entire american political system functions by trying to make the other side look bad'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they reckon about every 3-4 generations to clear the mind of the last major war'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'to the detriment of the entire country'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole US system of party politics is detriment to the country, just like the UK system is'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'in terms of death we have just had the safest century in history ... can't trade while fighting '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'btw TN, that 900 number is bs'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '1-900 give a shit ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Think they meant the 900something executive orders'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'also fdr actually signed, 3,522'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'yeah I got that'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Ronald Reagan- 381'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Truman, 907'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'dammit my random argument generator is broken ... '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '900 might have bit a bit out'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Let me get this, the arugment is the there is something wrong with Obama because he has signed x executive orders?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'on his way to becoming Dictator no less'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the argument was that he has signed many more. as it turns out he hasn't'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though he has perpetuated the state of emergency and signed some wappers, like the NDAA'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so he's not totally off the hook'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think the indefinite detention of 'who defines terror' suspects without trial , thus no explaination required and they can fill the cauffers with new 'definitions of terror' indefinitely is the most interesting'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am more concerned about things like the signing of one executive order by Bush was used to bypass US law and violate the human rights of some people.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why would they need to sign that?  is it too hard to explain 'syria danny' to require a jury and explaination of why a man is particularly a terrorist?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't like you, you must be a terrorist - come on here'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'explain the doctor and air force captain along with your asocial safety'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Well, let's look about Syria. The US has been after Syria since, at least, the reign of Bush I.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in fact, it can be shown, that both Iraqi wars were related to this goal.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'empirism is a given, really'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I still see no personal action taking place ... all words '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll get that from either of the two bullies'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'heh, terrorism is usually funded by first world nations :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'wish they'd fund me :D'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that law is a threat to freedom'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah,  for the amount  of money they dish out I certainly might consider that career path :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Chemosh, freedom is an illusion. You can't have freedom  if you are governed.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'after they explain http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haj_Amin_al-Husseini apparent link to adolf hitler, and how it never made the media - or else, the debate they had to have to define freedom of expression to include religious violence'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then maybe they'd be onto something more legitimate'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'read the US constitution, you are <granted> rights. Meaning that you don't have those properties naturally but are given to you by someone.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Madonna -- Physical'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.cbc.ca/m/rich/canada/story/2012/12/14/supreme-court-terrorism-ruling-khawaja.html they actually had to have a debate on whether or not performing violence in the name of a religion was a ok expression to have'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'where can I shoot you Hans !'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't perform violence to anybody, but they want to limit my freedom of speech and threaten me because i have an opinion'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like the people who invent hollywood violence movies and freedom of expression adolf hitlers in south park are very intellectually beyond the same judgement - and i don't have any power like them'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you are granted rights hmm, and the people who give them to you are beyond being subjected to honest judgement of the laws they don't obey'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, that's funny - somebody should start a new country somewhere where being honest is valuable'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'I'm going to go start my own country. With blackjack. And hookers.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and there's a difference made between malevolence and portrayal'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds great'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I want to be on the committee that selects the hookers.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the government's nationalizing the pimping industry now in canada'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Anaristos.. The blackjack dealers select the hookers. And the hookers select the blackjack dealers. It's a sort of balance of powers, if you will'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or were in the news a year or two ago'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'Dru ur wanted in Music '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm glad i never had a daughter, must be funny to watch your little princess whored by your government and the monopolies that provide the values they have'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'a son?  they're mostly cannon fodder to die in manufactured war's like gladiator arena'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'man, it's scary to think of how many people drowned in the north arctic during world war 2, must be a bitch having naval warfare or being military policed across the ocean to die in a war you don't believe in'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'north atlantic*'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'umm, if you're going the route of a war you don't believe in, then WW2 isn't the one to cite...'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'believe in the war and didn't want to shoot the people who didn't want to shoot him either, but they each received their orders and it was fire or be fired - obeying the old wolf like they teach in the scouts, who minds about understanding what for?  understanding diffuses mindless war'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''darkness and ignorance' are commonly 'likened' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_War All warfare is based on deception.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20732325 greek brothel saves football from bankrupcy - so you can guess what the gulag pussy riot is doing in international watergate scandals'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whether or not it has anything to do with one another, it's interesting isn't it'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's obvious they're making a bid to join the Lingerie League'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I would love a job at Victoria's Secret :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Fitting supervisor would be an awesome position :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'd like to be the guy who preps models for photo shoots'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you'd have to be a gay guy to have a fitting supervisor position, though.  Would be a total waste of your time.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, sure, but my job would be hands-on.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I can pretend, if that is what it takes.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, it's not like in the movies.  They just know.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, maybe it's not a indication of a widespread international corruption rooted in the crimes of the last century'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they would know but keep a secret :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i always look for the worst possible mockery of life conclusion possible, which is what cruel human murderous dictators typify'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'so PUMPED need to cool off ! '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'oops mischan'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F10F16F8385E11738DDDAD0894D0405B878DF1D3 martial law in greece allegation on google search'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so mockery of life expectation was correct at least in somebody elses conspiracy on nytimes.com'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'now's the time nuclear weapons should all be ignited and the face of the earth cleaned with the vermin who caused it to rot from their high places, if there ever was any 'old yeller' scenario to apply them to'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's waht i think, depending on how many of my expectations or presumptions are correct'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they'll release all the plagues they have stored and stuff and all die together instead of letting the vermin who led them to their death escape their own valuable judgement - only hope for true justice left on earth'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what this world needs is armageddon total chaos war and the end'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'let me build a starship and go explore the delta quadrant first though.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then you can blow yourselves up.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you see nothing changing tomorrow, then that's what i expected, thus only hope'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'up their rotten pie holes heads in ostrich asses'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'never stops making me angry, the only thing this world is useful for is entropy'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if i was god i would use the hate i have for this world to fuel the sun'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but i'm not'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how do you think positive?  see everything you want covered in the devil'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who birthed you to want satan's possessions'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos . o O ( those people are spawned not birthed... )
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whatever they are demons fallen angels wendigo little god swamp bubbles'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they can all kiss my ass'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'both demons and angels violate natural laws so... How can they exist?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know, how can you wake up from a dream in another dream and then into this world'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lots of things are unlawful, including the law in some places'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe just metaphors, we're evil dirt worm mutant monkey's who think we're the lord of gods of eternity in our little 65 thousand year old bubble of sentient being'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'on the ass of the 4.5 billion year old earth'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as beltegeuse consumes jupiter from our sun in 650 million years'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'hmm, we are moving toward Lyra not Orion.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'are next polar star will be alpha Lyrae (Vega).'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'bugger it if i feel the need I can always shoot myself'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'of anyone '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'chemosh, have you seen One piece?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the pirate cartoon?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'yea'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'i think chemosh will like it'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, totinos pepperoni pizza...america's best selling frozen pizza....how sad.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you've obviously never tried Tony's'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am proud to say that I have never hired anyone who has graduated from college.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'what do you hire people to do?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'real estate, construction, finance, ranch management, and resource extraction is just part of the family businesses.  We hire entry level, and train, advancement from within.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh, and we just moved into food services, have 4 food trucks in the oil fields, and I am building 3 more right now.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Jobs of installers in the solar industry has increased by 13% from last year.  Go get a job in the solar installation industry.'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'no thanks'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think scientists should all give up their jobs until the meatheads who use what they invented figure out what they value about living'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'where's some good use of science that isn't bought and sold?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they all know they're phony, talking about doing good things and that stuff, they're selfish and do it for money and have no real acheivement, which is why reading several philosopher's feels disgusting, because you can tell what kind of a person they were'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just another problem in the world though, scientists inventions hold up the devils of the world that make everybody else suffer for their own ignorant indulgences'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'watch though in the future they might have a microchip mark of the beast (real prophecy or man-made mockery of god) installed in everybody's forheads or hands and there'll be automated gun turrets on towers across the inhabited world which follow you like a gps magnet'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who knows, they study alot of things in them laboratories of theirs - i could find links to articles detailing a system just like that now if i wanted'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then they'll find out there really was no neo, and the administrator was the only real person left'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but eventually they'll materialize their ultimate goal of automating life itself, which they simulate in several systems today and in the past'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see, there is no god, i finally win!  this is such a relief, and i thought i was going to hell in this world of cardboard cutouts'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'free will is the enemy of just about everywhere, robots have none - learn something from that'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'do robots need to understand in order to choose for themselves?  course not, neither do soldiers'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'deviant dreams are the only conception of intelligent mystery they have, which tye can't figure out the independence of the spectres, while picking apart their apartheid thoughts in the lucid world versus meditation'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'everybody's a walking piece of meat which is absolutely explainable through materialism, and simulizable through science'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'simulizable is not a word'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but it's quantitative along with fictional'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but butchers are the only people that are allowed to make a difference in the world, overseeing the grounds 'killing fields' or otherwise where the fictional people make a difference, always against the slaughter which they don't see the source of'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if something good happens, it's because it keeps him happy while he desecrates it'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there'll never be a good guidance on the earth as far as i can see, this is pure death and darkness to eventual extinction'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whether there's some heavenly father descending from heaven or not, i haven't seen on in this here waking world before'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'only thing keeping hell from being felt until death is illusory security, which he lets be there until he wants to eat again'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's kind of pointless really, he's not even a god, he's a human'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'isn't he?  maybe there is a satan spirit out there somewhere and other demons and devils like him - but on earth i just see evil people being the source root of all the evil that the rest of the people living under'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the only thing keeping them alive is that they're somehow exempt from aggression of others like them'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'because they work together internationally, is what i think'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so what kind of hope is there really for the future, reason to invest in this worldly life and sentence others to live in it through (pro)creation?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it feels so hedonistically good and living on, maybe one day things'll change, like a real responsible person not changing things themselves'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'it is obvious that this life hell and death is heaven, what's so cloudy about that? '
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe, this life can and has been hell before, and it doesn't feel very heavenly does it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the inevitable victory of evil looming over every horizon'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'no good or evil'
T3/r7/2012-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'leaking it's way into the paranoia of every little person on earth who can't defend themselves against the monstrous flow of satan'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i disagree, i seen a flower and it was covered in tar - who put it there's the question of neccessity and design'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i see the whole world as one big evil experiment conducted by a human who thinks he's satan'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nah, they usually see themselves as the good guys'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'unless there really is a satan'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you think so?  well, since this world and what it requires of us for survival is un-natural, the un-natural belief that evil is good would naturally follow'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it sure does feel filthy even to them though, otherwise they wouldn't say 'there is no good or evil''
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i think'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the greatest trick the devil has done is in convincing the world he doesn't exist.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bascule: 'the greast trick is god made the devil'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and as time goes on fewer and fuher people have anything at all in life, and the rest of them?  it's like the hellraiser movies where torment is the best thing they have in life, not wasting the pain because it's a gift from their god - but no contrast between this here scenario and history is made to the modern observer'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not in the media anyways, but i see similarities'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''the rise of evil' such a historic movie, but no correlation to reality tomorrow'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or today?  ah, that's all ordinary stuff, remember, your ancestors fought to protect your future that you live in'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, we'll see though, even if it's too late, what's in judas store for us again and again - until at least tesla's normalized 2100'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'by then who knows'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if this is the only planet with life in the universe, then good riddance - because witnessing it isn't worth all the pain in the world'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'Be entertained and enlightened.   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falling_cat_problem'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'only 4 days left until the german codex interpretation, invasion or new ussr or world war 3 or nothing'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think, today the 17'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if nothing that's alright, maybe it'll be new years instead, or maybe nothing interesting'll happen for the next year'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'korean pow camps or whatever they're talking about'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think the end of the world itself with all of the high and mighty and all of the slaves together would be better than the slow rotting future they got planned - but that's just me'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'who has planned'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'wherever there's a person who thinks he's god and you're a figment of his imagination that should wallow at his honorable feet and thank him for treating you like shit'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they all got more slaves in mind, new herds of human cattle to consume from, eachother's mutual pigfests etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'more efficient ways of making them suffer for their good humour'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'look on the internet, study history, look at the world today, that's all the stench of shit that people're high on coming from the ass of the king of the world'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'show me some 'purification' event that'll uncorrupt some fractino of the world in human development'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all they have is genocide , which they had before - and then more perversion , led by the people who caused everybody's values to be sick'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't forgive god for putting me in this world without adequate ability to destroy my destroyers'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if there is one, maybe i'm a spawn of satan instead and should blame him'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess blaming the world on god is a sour kind of religion though, even if it is agnostic, it's still fate though that i have to be born inthis pile of shit with all of the human shits around'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'acting like they own me'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know, getting head out of shit's a better kind of religion, and with that i think i'll leave'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'all mage attack spells afaik'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a 3000+ year old Egyptian mummy has been shown to have traces of THC.....'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bascule: 'so wat'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and 2000+ years ago, the chinese were smoking marijuana joints.....talk about enlightened souls.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think the shaman tomb they dug up was caucasian though'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just from memory'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bascule: 'how about the slavery that was endemic 2000 years ago in all cultures ?  enlightened ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'slavery was normal back then, so what...if you owed someone money...and couldnt pay...you were sold to slavery.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bascule: 'smoking some plant dont make you enlightened'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bascule: 'esp since it was only illeagal last 100 years'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how come china and india both have 1.4 billion people in them, and places with 32-320 million of the same size are considered 'cramped'?  it's interesting, shows some master-race kind of thing'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think africa's pickin up pace too though, i always found it interesting, looking at surface area and population'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bascule: 'differing population distributions ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bascule: 'also cultural differences'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then there's islam sort of privatizing reproduction, first through the religion requirement and then through the race card'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bascule: 'all cultures do that... jews discourage marriage outside judaism'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bascule: 'catholics also prefer catholics'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Bascule yawns.
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, but do jews burn down churches and (well circumcise i guess possibly) entire nations of people?  or catholics?  well i guess they did before according to some history'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen one verse where jesus says to bring those enemies of his before him and slay them there'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bascule: 'no, jews prefer to play the victim card (unless it's an isreali)'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but who knows , mostly it's a pretty non-violent , non-by force religion'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bascule: 'oh god are you that schitzo guy who keeps changing names ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bascule: 'yeah the name change wont help you, the style is apparent'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm the only me on the internet and have a devoted following of various government imaginary people and other leeches'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bascule: 'yeah i know you'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how come adam never asked for a refund on his rib investment?  it's his isn't it?  all of this could have been avoid if god was a good prophet, couldn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'jw shows me a book of happy people saying this is how god meant for it to be, and then we say lords prayer 'thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven' and i'm still wondering'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nobody's really religious these days though, it's all about avoiding the holy warrior and conforming to the gulag death-panels'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you know that america made human experimentation illegal in 1976 after their negro syphillis experiments that they started in the 1930's'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but then they went on to continue behind the scenes of this and facebook and other things'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's kind of funny really, how stupidity is the only justice they know'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'http://i.imgur.com/ga3px.jpg'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'yea, he's always changing his mind wtf'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '20 million US workers are tested for drugs each year at a cost of $ 1 billion.....wow, a govt created industry.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Eh, employers must drug test because then workers get hurt on the job and sue the employer when they were under the influence.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'US govt forcing 20m people to get tested for drugs? News to me...'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Just saying, people say that govt never creates jobs....well it looks like they created a $ 1 billion industry to me, how many more private industry jobs have been started by govt influence ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Guess I don't see the govt influence.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'surely you dont blame the govt for telling us drugs are bad.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'drug testing began in the govt employment, not the private industry employment.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'so?  The govt doesnt require it'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'private employment started doing it to protect themselves as well......and you are missing the whole point.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'or even 'suggest' it, its simply the smart thing to do.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'the point is you made up some bullshit remark out of your ass with nothing to back it up.  I mean granted, thats par for your course, but at least admit it.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'whatever, so you are denying that the govt created the drug testing industry, that provides thousands of decent jobs and is worth $ 1 billion a year ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'yes I'm denying it.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'theres simply nothing to back up that statement, or maybe there is, but I havn't seen it.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Drugs at work cause accidents which costs employers money, much more than the 1 billion they put into testing, hence saving money. Simple as that.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'stupidity and disconnectedness causes accidents at work, but drugs are a useful excuse that the government can use to maintain their monopoly on intelligence - let me tell you a joke, that's my opinion'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sort of like why you never were what you wanted to be when you grew up'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'And here I thought you were extreme Riz'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am not against drug testing, I am all for it actually....I love to see more random testing of truck drivers, pilots, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The rationale for a mandatory drug testing program established under a 1988 ruling by the Department of Transportation. That ruling specified that nearly four million private sector employees with safety or security related responsibilities (e.g., airlines personnel, truck drivers, certain railroad and mass transit employees, and employees who handle pipelines carrying natural gas or hazardous substances) will be subject to mandatory random drug and alcohol tests. These regulations require not only tests for job applicants, but also random tests of current employees and specific tests of any employee involved in an accident.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as far as i could tell people use drugs cause other people use drugs, or because they want to feel differently - takign their mind off the clock-work hate-work they do requires testing for drugs, but if they were doing something they liked to do, that would be something they don't want to take their mind off of'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but, that's tesla's shepherds commandment for the year 2100 at work, and all the excuses that make it happen'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'no possible way for everyone to love their job :p'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i love my job :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'people offer me drugs quite often. and no-one wants to test me'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'altho i've been clean for more than a year now'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh ffs, how ridiculous are facebook getting? they suspended a user account for questioning the official narrative on the shooting'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the kind of story which makes me glad i don't use facebook'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) JaiMa: 'they may have done so in bad taste though...'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'irrelevent'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i also notice a story running about a man being mown down by a car driven by someone high on pot, linking it to the legalisation of pot in washington state, which annoyed me because the headline is misleading........ the victim stepped out in the middle of traffic on an unlit section of road, so it was his own fault, and it was in VANCOUVER, which last time I checked, wasn't in Washington state'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like wtfbbq'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'beginning to think all news stations should just be shut down'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hopefully the world will end on 21st and I won't have to put up with the poorly veiled propoganda anymore'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'my vacation starts on 21, let the world survive for a couple of weeks more.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bah, at least let me finish these food trucks and try them out in the oil fields first.....*sniff*'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'end of the world is just propoganda to make you now worry about politics.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oddly though, Eddie Nimbutre, owner of an Austin Thai Noodle House, didn't have any action taken for posting on facebook: "Im failing to give a damn about the CT shooting. I dont care if a bunch of white kids got killed. F**k Post-Racial bullshit. When kids from minority groups get shot, nobody cares. When Israel launched missiles at the school on Gaza, everybody was too busy jerking off. Why should i care about people who dont give a damn about me? Personal responsibility, right?"'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though, I kinda see where he's coming from'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK government plans to outlaw cheese'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Part of Antartica to be called "Queen Elizabeths's Land", despite being owned by no country'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(1 of these stories isn't true)'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'while we're in banning mood, can we please outlaw indentured servitude?'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'one of the largest marijuana grow houses in the world is on Antarctica....that is how we fund mcmurdo station.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hydroponics?'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, using volcanic heat.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like a fine place to be, shame there's no trees'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'someday the volcanos on antarctica will blow, and melt the ice there....'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'better ban volcanos to stop that happening then'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have a feeling i might be banned at work from telling people to fuck off'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'can't stop an asteroid from hitting the earth and obliterating life, might as well let Iran have nukes'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course you can, you can ban asteroids'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we missed a 180 foot asteroid last week.....we noticed it AFTER it whizzed between the earth and the moon....it was about 100,000 miles from earth.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meh, would have mostly broken up in entry'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might have caused some damage if it was lucky'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it was roughly the same size as the one that hit russia a 100 years ago.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wouldn't have landed on the house of commons'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, Instagram claims the right to sell it's users photographs without payment or notification from jan 16'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '-i- saw that coming miles off, did anyone else?'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the one due in 2029 will come within less than 23K miles.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they are obviously going to monetize it at some point'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we'll all be dead by then'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wonder if they'll retroactively apply those rights'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the one last week will be back in about 2.9 years or so, and probably be closer each time.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Earth's influence will definitely tell.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'budget foods cost rose on average 40%  this year'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'told you that would happen, too'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it doesnt rain in the UK.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, we've banned rain'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'should ban the royals from breeding also.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can only have a drizzle now'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would personally arrest the queen for dereliction of duty'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'she should step down and let charles become king.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gheh, Microsoft Japan 'convinces' TV station to remove segments of Bill Gates speech refering to eugenics'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bill gates retired because he knew microsoft was dying.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now he's concentrating on steralising and poisoning brown people'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is it with rich people? rich liberals like to wipe out brown people quietly and clandestinely pretending that they're helping them, whereas rich neocons like wiping out brown people by dropping bombs on them'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we use smart bombs now.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, smarter than the avg bear bombs anyways.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in 10 years we will be using drones that fire highly concentrated explosives made from thermite that burns up to 5000 F'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it was Obama's "old pal" Henry Kissinger who in a 1974 national security study (memorandum 200 if you're interested) laid plans for US to bomb third world countries, raping them for resources, to ensure their continued lack of development, to keep their population growth down'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'prevent them from industrialising'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, the population growth limitation isnt working....breeding faster than rabbits.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly, he -was- pretty accurate'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but it also lays out in pretty stark terms how easily third world and arab nations have been manipulated by the west'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'suck em dry, blow em up'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i really must get around to passing on this health study to my mp'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in better news, Last weekend was another record breaker for gun sales'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Portgaze: 'and a new pony was born'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fantastic'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately, due to the number of people injured in riding accidents, ponies and horses have now been banned'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can only own a donkey, provided it has no legs'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Portgaze: 'ok what about riding cows?'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're ok for now'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'cows have been removed in the anti-bullying program.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'expect them to be banned at the first sign of bovine related injuries'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Anonymous are going after Westboro Baptist Church'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Portgaze: 'i know one that wont get banned'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'weren't they all supposed to have moved to a cave in Jordan ready for the rapture by now?'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Portgaze: 'I just want to see the fireworks. instead of hide in a bunker.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'If Professor Erik Loomis was at a university in the UK, he'd have been suspended and arrested by now'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/12/18/f-quiet-loner-gunman.html are black people unfairly linked with crime?  lets be fair people , two sided evidence comments'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Bolshevism are jews unfairly linked with communism?  or is it illegal to ask that question'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how abut islam, is it an inherently violent religion of non-peace, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haj_Amin_al-Husseini or were the sufi's the mainstay?  http://www.hinduism.co.za/islam.htm'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or adolf hitler, is he really devoid of any virtues?  maybe we should take a look at at least two opinions on the matter'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the people who make horror movies are more mature than the characters in them, like leatherface, so they're obviously less dangerous than a introverted person'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who's worse, a man who smuggles 27 million human slaves per year, or a man who doesn't like to be around people'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Columbine happened during an assault weapons ban in the US.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i think it's propaganda meant to get people to support sterilization/asylum and eventual genocide of a class of people for being asocial'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but here they're asking a question for public opinion instead of stating otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Portgaze: 'turtle power'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so my questions are no less invalid as contrasts'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and they are stupid'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's like if they put an article up, over 54 members of government have origins in the USSR by first or second generation, or east-germany where 1 in 4 people was a state police or agent - should the government be de-communized?'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '54 members of congress*'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that makes more sense though than what they're doing, what they're doing makes sense with holdren's 210 million people was too much, how about 312?'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'less see the ethnicity and source of his co-authors'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'those one's are american at least'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Portgaze: 'greedy pigs'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they are also more drought resistant.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Portgaze: 'which is better green hippo or pink croc?'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'whatever you are taking is best :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20774516 'versailles' 1804 haiti swastika eugenics'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see, this isn't some isolated asocial judgement, this is international '
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i bow my head in kowtow 5 times per day, i must see a quicker psychiatrist'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'somebody seemed to have a book of quotes once , which were last words of people like a queen of france which were included in the gospel as jesus having spoken them - they were from germany iirc, they didn't say what book it was though - that could be the extent of christianity'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'should mental illness be classified a religion, since some actually see the imaginary sky fairies that others kowtow to?'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'does he hath a demon?  only if he's not worshipping mine'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'thou shalt not kowtow to false gods, for i the unverified hath said it'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's ok to have imaginary friends as a group who demand you kill to go to heaven, but having your own which isn't as controllable.. that's the gravest sin of the lot'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'kowtow to the glory of population control, remember the sacred result = theology/atheism, unbeliever/nonhuman'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'While the arctic sea ice cover has dropped in the last 20 years, the antarctic sea ice cover has actually increased, while the overall thickness of the ice has dropped in some places.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'where there's deserts, there's no potash, unless underneath where a lake once sat - but there is http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/02/090220183706.htm which could possibly be biomattered back into the sand to fix some of that problem'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'along with being biofuel, supposed to be pretty good stuff , and they say 1/3 of earths landmass is desert'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but, that's a likely consequence of digging up all of the potash and spreading it on the surface instead of what worked before, nothing in moderation etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'gmo everything - see how quickly that can crash: http://www2.nau.edu/~bio372-c/class/sex/cornbl.htm'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'only the mutant plants were affected, and nearly all died'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'imagine if they could pass that onto certain people through genetic science'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mysterious illnesses and things like that'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'chemosh: http://banoosh.com/2012/12/15/christmas-trees-given-jellyfish'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'as well intresting'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2012/02/27/the-liars-liar/'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not even worried about it though, they're too corrupt to expect otherwise from'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'somebody judging their government would naturally wonder about it though'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'where's the wisdom in that?  can you prove it's no problem?'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then they can go out on a limb and ask about the 3/4 patent pending human genome in singapore, owned by the offspring of a nazi corporation and a couple others'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and what kind of science they study there, anything malevolent or not'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'well they did search for it, in a very inhumane way tho.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'cience dosent have good or wrong, we humans add it'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'science *'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nah, they do wrong as part of their curiousity sacrifice and then claim there is no wrong'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'using animals and things as examples, devolutionizing their conceptual outlooks on life to that of the animals they believe themselves usperior'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bascule: 'debate is it just me or is every scientific discovery followed by the question: "now how can we use this to kill people?"'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'there was this 5 year old kid, his father hot tea fall all over him, got 70% body burned. I cant remember if they were on holiday on germany or they lived there.'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bascule: '70% from one cup ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'the Germans took the child took off the burned skin, used a skin spray... Nos his skin is normal he dosent have nipples or bellybutton '
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'of his body bascule'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bascule: 'i call bullshit'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'is a wonder of science that skin spray'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'is not bullshit look for it'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'but they had to pass the holocaust to get that knowledge'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'is that science good or wrong?'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bascule: 'how do you cover 70% with 1 cup?  toss half a cup on front and half on back ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'is a fact bascule not going to argue my point is other, go look for the story in the internet'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it was a big gulp'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bascule: 'the story is bullshit'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'is not'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bascule: 'don't believe everything you read'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as an example, in that database in singapore, they stated there is 27 million direct descendents of genghis khan on earth - so maybe they found a way that eating a corndog could make somebody susceptible to a disease - but at the least they know who they are and if somebody with some kind of a grudge against the thought of him became god on earth, what would they do?'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seen about that on a documentary on national geographic or some channel like taht'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they also admit to modifying the h1n1 virus on bbc awhile ago, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16662346 so, what's the guarantee it didn't originate in a lab in the first place?'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but like atheist/theology, it's another form of the result i guess'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe making all water sources toxic because it was cheaper that way, dependency on water treatment (here there's all sorts of things that can go wrong, like chlorine burns in a sauna), knowing that one way or another, people use water '
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can see that being done, they seem to do it intelligently even after UN court hearings in some places'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it was only a couple years ago too that some hackers remotely shut down a water system in chicago or elsewhere'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that kind of access by computer could add arbitrary amounts of chlorine or anything to the water system - and that was what they used extensively in ww1 to gas people to asphyxiating death'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all kinds of things could go wrong, the few people who know and control it effectively hold vast swathes of people hostage, requirment like kings'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i see all kinds of flaws in the system like that, it's not the kind of world i would have approved'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but, that's how they want it that's how they got it - i be like pilate washing his hands of any responsibility and acknowledging the error of their ways letting them choose'
T3/r7/2012-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'things might be infinitely better if the two sides of the world just absolutely severed all forms of interaction with one another, deporting anybody who hads a problem with it - letting them choose which half they want to be on'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'are women allowed to drive cars in bulgaria?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so if gun controls work and people still get shot up in their suv's because they only work for the people who aren't cops or criminals - and yet they sell guns to foreign nations to 'level the playing field', how come they don't tell the players to gather up covertly all of the people who they're trying to defend with the guns and launch a nuke at the remainder, instead of sending them weapons?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'since they're doing the 'i'm a good guy' risk giving guns to their distribution of the 'resistance' who's aligned with the interests of the 'desirables' and can slide 'trusted word' to them to take cover at a certain time of day when the redeemer's arriving from 'heaven' -> it seems lke a good test of faith, which isn't present in giving guns to strangers'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people just don't use enough nukes, they'd rather change the rights they built them to defend as a last resort than avoid their enemy's concentration camps, it seems'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'fallout's no worse than that japanese leak or the chernobyl emissions of the last 20 years'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'we survived that, so that's just like their global warming conspiracy's'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and from what i could tell , most people don't enjoy living very much in those places, which extend their bullshit laws over other nations which rather conform than nuke them - at least there was one place that didn't suck that much before they converted to the enemy'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'better to go down in a ball of fire than in satan's concentration camps'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i think'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're basically populations of tortured human shields, who's extended torture is better to preserve than the swift death of their tormentors'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's how i see them anyways, i guess there's other ways to look at it though - already you see in political philosophy who can succeed in the world'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the Time Magazine person of the year is..... Kim Jong Un'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, that they even consider that shows the shadow of whether or not they investigated the claims of concentration camps and what they value about life'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you know they're threatening to arrest anyone who questions the 'official narrative' on the Newton shooting?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'surprised the guy who gave the press conference wasn't wearing jackboots'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only time they'll ever reel anything like that out is if they're hiding something'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'communists are funny places, lots of pretending is required if you want to avoid death-camps, according to what i seen of history'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best stear clear of those, then'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately we have the United Soviet Nations to contend with'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately we have the United Soviet Nations to contend with'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah i seen that tiger, i found it odd myself - bomb threats at churches though, that's more the kind of thing i could see the government getting involved in (i never seen a problem with non-official unprofessional people's thoughts spoken in a transient context, but things like 'syria danny' if that's really a fabrication - that's more what i could see an honest government cracking down on) -> http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=48960'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'communists are funny places, lots of pretending is required if you want to avoid death-camps, according to what i seen of history (i got lagged out before your last few lines, this was supposed to go before them'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/16/bomb-threat-newtown-church_n_2311882.html or there'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i look at the conspiracy websites as conspiracy websites, sometimes they provide their source material and things like that - official narratives or not, and so do most other people, i think'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they even made a south park cartoon about somebody shitting in a urinal and it turned out to be the hardy boys investigating 9/11'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'michael myers and jason vorhees can both possibly be traced to john wayne gacy, who was a real serial killer - judging from the wikipedia article about them'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the 2009 movie grayman was about a real serial killer from america in the 1800's-1900's - they're all fictional portrayals of a official narrative too, aren't they?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe asking what the reason why the fictional narratives were given is the sorcery witchcraft of the matter'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, they have the power of lies though, they can't face the truth without inner enmity with their own false-beliefs of righteousness'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the security they have relies on light never piercing the shadows they call their home'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terror_management_theory it's an interesting study, the problem of heroics is the central one of human life, that it goes deeper into human nature than anything else because it is based on organismic narcissism and on the child's need for self-esteem as the condition for his life. Society itself is a codified hero system, which means that society everywhere is a living myth of the significance of human life, a defiant creation of meaning.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'http://banoosh.com/2012/12/19/afghan-landmine-blast-kills-10-young-girls/'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'disgusting isn't it'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where's Obama crying fake tears about that?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'i know '
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen some of the halls some politicians were raised in though, so i can sort of grasp their way of seeing things'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just makes me sick the way they're propogandising the death of kids'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'shock theory...'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'movie "the hobbit". good or bad?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'mixed.  They tried fiddling with framerate, and several people reported getting nauseous in some scenes.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'on the other hand, it IS a good story.  I would think the nausea thing is less like that movie scene (maximum overdrive?) where everybody starts puking on an amusement park ride gone out of control and more like the fear-of-heights experience one gets from scenes in Avatar.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'problem child has the amusement park i remember, maximum overdrive is an alien device causing machines to come to life - but maybe it has that in it too'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i remember in year 1999 or so my friend had a sega dreamcast with a game sort of like sonic on it, and the makers warned not to use it for extended periods of time cause it could result in seizures and other complications'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'lots of games had that warning.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Portgaze: 'All hail Crytek!'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Resurrecting Reason In Our Emotional Politics http://www.huffingtonpost.com/susan-smalley/resurrecting-reason-in-ou_b_127257.html'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anything the rest of us can join in on, chemosh?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know, it's an interesting article'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the idea of 'cartoon politics' isn't new i guess, but it mainly started in the 1930's i think'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'from what i noticed of people's awareness, older people're wiser etc, and the advertisements i read of and the understanding that followed them at their times'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they always kind of exploiting people's emotions though, not very many pure calculators of situations used in what i seen in the modern world'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i heard politicians lie left and right in what i seen of them where i'm from, that or underhand public trust'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'saying old people are wiser is a bit like saying cold potatoes aren't hot'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'self evident'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what do you think, how much deception and soft warm truth is adequate, to the adults of the cold hard truth?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'none'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i think about the article anyways, i always respected the truth more than pretending to believe what i don't believe to be the truth coming from somebody's mouth - whether or not it's salvation in eternal life or otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so it's possible but, i don't trust you to know that for me, i just keep it in mind'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just the instincts i have, but i understand in some places it's important to believe in lies, or at least appear to'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'basic problems being like avoiding the concentration camps of the past, and population control - seems like a couple real problems that should receive constant attention by the not so happy meal mentality of authority'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the way they hardly acknowledge any lingering possibility of a repetition of history in the modern world is rather ominous itself to me, i always wondered how they distance but teach of the past isolated, while not showing what's being done to prevent it again'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seems like a basic kind of problem though that people would be concerned about - along with other things'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people like history repeating itself,  it must give them a sadistic pleasure, else they'd not do it'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it's true like she's saying though, that people's emotions , like jesus descending from heaven to be the master shall be as the servant in the kingdom of heaven, mean more to them than understanding the complexities of who's invoking them'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'look at a marketing commercial on television, see what kind of a response they desire in the viewer, associated with the product, however outlandish it may be - the excitement sells products'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'doesn't matter if they're experimental like acne cream from the 1960's or not'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i always respected honest politicians more than liars though, for whatever cause they fight they at least don't hide it from their people - extorting people's emotional absent mindedness never flew well with me'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're like priests though, hell is anyway but theirs, i understand this basic kind of human liability'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what do you tink tiger, do you respect honest people who are willing to learn more than liars who hate knowledge?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hate people who are deliberately or wilfully dishonest'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i make plenty of mistakes, not afraid of making them. Many people are'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why i'm careful not to be critical of mistakes that others make'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i value wisdom as much as, if not more highly than knowledge'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah?  i let people make mistakes too, it's when i see that they're exploiting people's forgiveness that i get that feeling, because they see it's likely people will be maneuvered by some common impulse and through that they can get their way'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not nearly enough people know or understand WHY something as opposed to simply what'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or other kind of natural human factors'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's right, i never hold onto false beliefs when they can be proven absolutely wrong, but beliefs affect our outlooks on reality - and seeing reality is a pretty sad situation not all of natural causes , it pays be a little more skeptical than would be in a honest world'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a reasonable standpoint to take'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'except for considerations sake though, instead of a toolbox of exploitation, 'with this in mind this is a course of reasoning i could take' for instance - theory of multiple intelligences or otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not sure if the world will ever be honestly led though, or even if it's lying now - what the tradeoffs and price of honesty would entail, who's higher calling they're listening to in the event of a trade and what interests are represented by them if so, etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the world is being led?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all around - i understand that there's likely no nation on earth who's actually 'democratic' or equally involved in their own governance'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'governance of UK/US is certainly self interest led'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'certainly not a democracy in the truest sense of the word'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'well, people take orders from other people, not always knowing why etc, chains of command - who's the origin etc, what is the fundamental beliefs and desires that control the nations of the world?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'power'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bah, we are not a democracy, we are a republic!'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're not even that anymore, riz'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Republic of Texas!'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd love for Texas to be a republic, i'd move...'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas has enough oil and gas to last it over 2000 years if we seceded.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, you'd do well'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what about other strategic resources'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe you will, if obama goes nuts on his latest anti-gun rant'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'texas has water, it has agricultural space, it has sunshine, what else would you like?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas also has coal, wind power, 20% of the nations chemical and oil refineries'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'socking great port, too, and the home of the space industry'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'lithium, aluminum, manganese, titanium, zirconium'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it can trade'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas is also one of the leading growers of cotton, which could be replaced with industrial hemp.....Texas was one of the largest producers of industrial hemp before it was banned.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Texas would do okay as a seperate country'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I don't doubt that, but it never will be'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's less likely now that Texas has been infiltrated by trendies and communists fleeing California'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no state income tax either.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it wouldn't matter if everyone in Tx was for it'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if 2/3 were for it and the legislature passed it, it would happen'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'of Texans?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and at least 5 other states would join Texas to create a new country.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think you'd get 2/3rds atm without a disaster of some kind'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it wouldn't evver happen'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll have to qualify that'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'barring complete financial collapse or anarchy, texas could never vote itself independent of the USA'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'see USa 1860'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'for reference'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the secessionists only have about 20% of the vote right now, so chances are it won't happen anytime soon.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, riz'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same with UK and EUrope'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but support has exploded since the troubles'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends how bad it gets over there'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if texans continue to have their dollar devalued, and they start clamping down on guns, and interfering in people's lives, they might soon start getting a groundsweel'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one can hope'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm telling you man, it couldn't happen'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas joined the south reluctantly in the civil war....Texas was mostly neutral.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why not just be honest and say it's unlikely to happen, because that's where it's at'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it COULD happen, and the international court would have no choice but to rule in Texas favour if it wanted to leave'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'who is going to force the US?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'force them to what?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'to accept it'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the ICC?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Nato'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you think american troops would fire on their own?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'USA could roll NATO by itself'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you think NATO would attack it's largest member?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you'd very quickly have civil war'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would be obliged to'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'NATO never signed an agreement with the Republic of Texas'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so it would be obliged to join the USA proper?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The clinton admin did a study back in the late 90s, and almost 91% of troops at the time said they would not fire on americans even if ordered to do so.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if USA were not to accept it, you'd have civil war in no time'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so they wouldn't not accept it'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'thats belied by history'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most army and police would refuse to take part in gun confiscation, that's where it's at'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you overestimate the compliance of the army against their own. Rizgoth's figures ring true'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, we have a saying in Texas.....if you try to take my guns...we shoot the lawyers first.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'except for the fact that the military already does fire on americans...'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'no we don't.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Rick Perry came out against further gun restrictions, and pro arming teachers'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but those are only the "bad" americans, so it's OK'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so i guess you have a chance'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mr hair :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'If Texas doesn't resist, then there's no hope for the rest of the states'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'countries don't redraw borders peacefully ever'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you know, you only really need that 5% who are willing to fire on their own...'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '5% wouldn't be enough to win a war'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'or someone on the other side that fire first'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes it would'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'homicide deaths are about same as drunk driving deaths.  why aren't we restricting alcohol?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure it is, just ask the 5% who had their guns pointed at the backs of the 95% in the soviet army in ww2.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, Americans are soviets..... yet..... give it another 10 years maybe'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '5% of the US military is well beyond what would be necessary to keep Texas under control'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wouldn't nearly be enough'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then you have little clue of the US war machine'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '50% of the US military couldn't even keep afghanistan under control'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's that chain of command i considered before, lots of ways to tear down a opponent when there's lots of resources and obscurity in the structure'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Alot of that US war machine is also located in Texas.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heck, 1% of the us military could defeat any state/national/regional army anywhere that didn't have a proper airforce.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '50% of the US military was never tasked with keeping afghanistan under control'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however-much-of-it-was-tasked-there then'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not that much, riz'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'none of it was tasked with that'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I don't think Obama has the stomach to occupy Texas'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The Texas Rangers will protect us!'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You giggle in his presence.
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the health ranger will protect you!'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that reminds me of "Da Bears" from old SNL'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it would be interesting to see texas leave though, it'd be america's pakistan.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'USA wouldn't even have to militarily attack texas'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'OK OK OK, Ditka vs the entire Miami Dolphins'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hehe'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the could do so economically'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with all that economic power they have?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what are they going to do, ban exports of jerky?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '14 trillion dollar economy so....yes'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you added a few more states, you could have a whole india/pakistan split thing going.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'much fun, except for those involved.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas is going to pass california in largest state economy in another decade or so.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't California currently taxing itself into oblivion?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'still would be small potatoes vs the other 49'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'also, california would be in the G8 as a seperate country TN'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why it's amusing to see it fry itself'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'california is a bit like america's catalunya'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's like UK but with fatter people'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'speaking of fatter people'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'mike huckabee gained a ton of weight'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas is going to double its oil and gas production in the next 5 years, to 2.5 million barrels of oil per day thanks to shale oil.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they are pretty rich compared with the rest of the country, but because they're losing tax money to the rest of the country, they have a bit of a debt problem.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you can be assured of only 2 things in life, death and taxes'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ask Gerard Depardieu'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'how is california losing tax money to the rest of the country?  they are cheating the rest of the country out of federal revenue b/c their high state taxes are deductible.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'wesley snipes didn't have to pay taxes'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's one of those 'thought-terminating cliche's mentioned in totalism'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'before the centralized caesar's was people not yet converted to slavery'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not only that, Kojiro, but their higher tax rates will end up bringing less revenue in'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wesley snipes paid part of his taxes, and will continue to owe more taxes and fines when he gets out of federal prison.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'its texas that ends up paying for cali's largesse'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in general the blue states are bleeding money to the red states... would be interesting to see what would happen if the two sides were to separate.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas pays more in federal tax than it gets back in federal spending.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK tends to prove the opposite'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'that's why I hope they limit deductions.  Fuck all the rich people who vote democrat b/c they don't understand economics.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, texas is an exception'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'generally the wealthier states lose tax money to the rest of the country'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'on the other hand, Colorado is known as the Welfare State. Without government subsidy they couldn't exist.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just think, if you shrunk the size of federal government, that wouldn't happen (if indeed it happens at all) sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as is expected and desirable in a union, but still...'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, colorado also has about 1.8 trillion barrels of oil that will be extracted someday in the future.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, rainy day oil'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the size of the federal govt won't affect that, as long as congress can vote their own states plenty of money...'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK, the countryside tends to subsidise the city, which means the conservatives subsidising Labour'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that kind of federal spending is tiny compared to the major programs.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's certainly an odd situation, if true'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really, conservatives here tend to pay considerably more tax'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and live in rural areas, the big cities are the welfare and public service pits'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'given that the cities tend to generate most of the wealth and tend to be taxed more heavily, while rural areas require more govt support.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not the case here, the wealthy parts of cities vote conservative'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'weren't you arguing before that the reason why you can't be as efficient as us is because you have to maintain your rural infrastructure and stuff?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'During FY 2011, the federal government spent $3.60 trillion on a budget or cash basis, up 4% vs. FY 2010 spending of $3.46 trillion and up 20% versus FY2008 spend of $2.97 trillion. '
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'very few places here that are sufficiently rural to cause a problem'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'actually, that statement (that rural areas pay more taxes) is entirely false. Rural areas have long been poorer than urban, and has been so for decades (in the U.S., anyway)'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if "in the UK, the countryside tends to subsidise the city" as you put it, you ought to be able to reach a higher level of efficiency than us, since we're pretty much just a city...'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, not talking about the US, Saric'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saric: 'oh'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US is one of the most efficient countries in the world when it comes to manufacturing.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Which is why manufacturing jobs are returning to the US from places like china or india.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they ain't returning here, far too higher a cost'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'As costs in those countries continue to rise, and efficiency doesnt improve.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and I can't even begin to imagine how that could be true... are the roads in your countryside dirt roads or something? No cabling, etc.? No hospitals, people still using horses and buggies?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what are you going on about, Sonshi?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you are saying the US companies like GM would rather pay 15 USD/hr for labor in the US rather than 2 USD in Mexico? '
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'how is it possible that "in the UK, the countryside tends to subsidise the city"'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the spending per head of population in rural areas is lower than in the city'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'What is this 'buggies' nonsense?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If you want to travel you walk, or take the longship.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know how to make it any plainer than that'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'd like to know how you guys managed such a miracle...'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't see why you're struggling with it'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'where spending per head is lower for rural areas than urban'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I could care less about GM, I buy american made japanese cars, or Fords made in Canada, or the US.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless you live in the highlands of scotland, you're not going to be more than 6 miles from a sizeable town and more than 30 miles from a city'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's still a lot of road for a few people...'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Toyota has a huge manufacturing plant in Texas.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not "a few" people, the whole fucking country is packed'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and electric cabling, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, packed, sure... I've seen your countryside. (once) It's nowhere near as packed as the city.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Hyundai is also building a factory in Texas soon....'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, but we are still the most densely populated country in europe'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the Japanese save money by building in the US so it makes sense to buy Japanese. But buying GM cars in the US, cars made in Mexico at a huge discount but retailed as if they were made here, is robbery.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'densely populated!'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'man, you should visit my country someday...'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would detest your country'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this one is bad enough'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Toyota is supposedly moving the prius manufacturing to the US also, but not sure when.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in addition, US and Canadian auto workers are able to buy their companies' car at an employee discount. Mexican workers are not eligible.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the UK was close to running out of food during WWI and WWII, you might argue that it has been too densely populated for some time? :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it has'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since ww2, really'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I hope it's not because of all the "brown" and "yellow" people running around?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Mexican workers have to buy the cars at US retail prices.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'given it's surrounded by fish, how is that possible?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'too many of every colour running around'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the spanish ate all teh fish, the greedy bastards'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, it must be scary :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hey, our diversity is our strength, sort of.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hans: it's hard to fish when there's an enemy navy just off the shores...'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, without the color mix you couldn't get cheap labor, huh Sonshi :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you like monochrome countries, there ought to be plenty in the EU...'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they haven't come close to starving SINCE the WWs, merely DURING them when there were blockades'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are the russians threatening our ally again?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US will be exporting natgas to the UK soon.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's about time we had another war with the french'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Hanslanda, the Russians are the ones being threatened.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that wouldn't be a war, that would be a loot.  The french give up too easily.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you forget the French are NATO :) So the UK would have to fight the entire EU.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the french fight pretty hard, but they seem to suck on defense.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the UK then would ally with the Warsaw Pact :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'all that elan and stuff disappears the moment they decide to sit on their hands in their defensive works'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The UK can't afford to borrow money for another war though....it took them over 60 years to pay the US back for WWII :p'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I think that one of the reasons the US wants so much unrest in the ME is that having all those countries join NATO robbed them of a suitable enemy.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the US really had the UK over a barrel on that one...'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, the US war machine exported a lot of planes, tanks, guns, bullets, and ships to the UK for WWII'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they don't want unrest in the middle east. They want the middle east to obey them.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the unrest is incidental.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What is interesting though is how today is so much different than the WWII times....we produce a lot more today than we did back then....so no rationing, and crap like that during war times.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but before they can own the ME they must destabilize it.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ronda nods at SnailBot Anaristos.
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'such as Syria, for instance. They promote a civil war then go in and act the saving heroes and establish a puppet government a la Iraq.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, there'd still be rationing, if there was a major conventional war'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's just unlikely that there'd be a major *conventional* war.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Jordan apparently has shitloads of shale natgas and oil.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it'd have to be another Vietnam or something, where the US goes in completely unprepared or with wild underestimations.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no more asking for welfare by them.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right, 2 kinds of war now, the limited engagement (read guerilla) or tactical surgery.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We need more special forces, and less tanks.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we need more peace.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'peace is bad for business, and it never lasts long.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I understand that, still that doesn't change the fact.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'humans need to evolve a little more before peace can actually take hold.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, evolution in this case could mean getting rid of the bully.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'who is the bully ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I give you as many guesses as you want :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that'd only happen when all other stresses are gone.  Bullying arises from a lack of something, and there's literally so sector of humanity as a whole wherein the fight between have and have-not isn't raging full-force.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, bullying also comes from the philosophy that you get take anything from anyone because you are bigger. A sort of pathology.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'would requiring equal rights for all citizens of a country before we help you economically be considered bullying ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, the ends do not justify the means. Extortion is extortion.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is cool, but if it is my money I am investing....I will make the rules. :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'especially since there is a history of working with governments that routinely violate human rights.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so demanding that some countries be fair to their citizens while encouraging others to treat them as bad as is necessary to further one's end is the height of hypocrisy.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, we can only bully so many countries at once....we have to pick and choose. :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'look at the military budget :) Apparently the government doesn't agree with you :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, the military budget is an illusion.....almost 15% of it is just for the nuclear arsenal'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'even in adjusted dollars, the US budget is at a history high even though the Cold War is over.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'more probably goes to research than anything else.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what type of research?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'new weapon systems'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like the UAV program'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they actively maintain a research arsenal of 50 years into the future.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'bio-warfare, efficient delivery systems, tactical solutions?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but where is the comparable enemy that requires such effort?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so the key is not defense but offense.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is an illusion, we have no actual enemy right now, but old rules dictate large expenditures on programs that we do not really need anymore.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the pentagon wants to change those rules, but congress keeps getting in the way.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, need is relative. As someone above pointed out, you can't make money in peacetime.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like having 12 super carriers, why do we need 12 super carriers that cost $15 billion each ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and as far as research 50 years into the future, why not devote the fruits of the research to promote universal well being?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or why do we need 28,000 tanks ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'especially when tank warfare is obsolete :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'everywhere.  They have to engage in the research in terms of long-term trends.  For example, they might get better value by not fatally-decimating a population with conventional arms.  In this example, they might focus a larger effort on non-lethal alternatives.  This is how the sonic weapons came around, because some high-level type complained to some other high-level type that the military was getting too kill-happy or otherwise interfered in some other operation.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lol, like the world wants well being, haven't you seen the place?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'New artillery is useful though, especially when the new guns can shoot 50 miles, and use tactical nukes if necessary.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's very noble, Hanslanda, but unrealistic. The aim is to remove the population without damaging the infrastructure.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you can't conquer territory if you leave the population intact. Iraq is a very good example even if we ignore Viet Nam or Afghanistan for the old USSR. It really pisses people off when they get invaded.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there are lots of good programs though, such as the UAV program....the predator program was a complete success, or the local theater anti missile defense system'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that anti missile system protects Israel from missiles right now.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's a modulation thing, Chemosh.  If the victim starts accepting their annihilation as a matter of course, they might wage war on the infrastructure or some other value you see in the region.  I mean, imagine what would've happened if the Iraq War was so quick and painless for everyone that the only folk who died were the actual terrorists?  Maybe the next war wouldn't be so easy, but if the next 3 operations were, then it's likely your fourth operation--despite being obviously able to target just the terrorists--could result in the elimination of an entire civilization population.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just because you go to war doesn't mean you have to fight the other side.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you think Israel should be protected, allowing them to threaten their neighbors with impunity.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Let me ask you this, what would the US do if they were sortied the way Israel sorties their neighbors?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Israel has the right to protect themselves.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'What would the US do to Canada or Mexico if their troops routinely crossed their borders?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'The last time that happened on US soil, Mexico lost.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'So does Iran, Risgoth.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I agree, let iran build a nuclear power plant, I dont care.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, first it would have to be shown the Mexico actually crossed the border. There are doubts about that :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but we do agree. the US would not tolerate infringement of their borders. So why should any other nation? '
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think there's alot of ways they could have already had nuclear weapons given to them to worry about a nuclear power plant'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just from what i read in the news and what little i learned about history anyways'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nuclear power makes sense to iran, they have huge oil and gas reserves to sell, instead of using internally.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'assuming nuclear power is safe, it makes sense for any nation to establish the resource. Any nation.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'iran also has tons of uranium to use.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and you don't think that the unrest there has no outside source? :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but i don't know, they've been terrorizing people's minds with jehovah's witness end of the cold war world religions since the end of world war 2, so who knows , except them?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it seems odd that nations rich in uranium are not very stable :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'because might makes right, Ana.  If the US is to be the de facto enforcer, you necessarily have to give up at least part of your right as a nation to keep them out, if not the raw ability to do so.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'iran just wants to sell its oil and gas to whomever wants to buy it, and use its uranium to produce the power it needs to keep growing.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, that's very noble, Hanslanda. So, that goes back to the question of bullying :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just let the russians oversee it with the world nuclear regulation group to make sure no weapons are made.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but the US wants to destabilize Russia, too. They already took the huge (if mistaken) step of destroying the USSR. '
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'let me point out that, by looking at a map of the region, it is obvious that Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan, together, form a platform from which the US can attack Russia to the North and China to the South. So, we can ignore the good guy image and concentrate on the strategic nature of the US involvement in or against those countries.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it also explains the US support of Israel. The country place the role of the stone in the shoe.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'plays*'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'making your enemy believe they're bigger than they are is probably an art of war thing too, i keep that in mind sometimes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_War'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like wondering why so much media is owned by foreigners and local opinion is dictated by the upper management so much'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/12/19/pol-niqab-supreme-court-witness-testify.html that's different, but they already remember having raped them and who they raped if they did rape them - so it's a good question isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'at least they're not trying to freedom of expression physical violence in that case, sort of the opposite'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'better than australia where you can get away with rape cause she was wearing tight jeans, but that's kind of universal isn't it'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Obstructing justice. 139. (1) Every one who wilfully attempts in any manner to obstruct, pervert or defeat the course of justice in a judicial proceeding -- so the people being accused, if they know what they did, wouldn't stand to gain anything by seeing her face as it currently is - and what they're complaining about , since it has no bearing on the situation, could be seen as obstructing justice'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's just what i think looking at that, they'll probably burn down some churches and hunt some unbelievers in protest and things like that though'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like they do on the news'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what are you talking about?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the title / subject of the article'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just a few weeks ago they had to actually have a debate for a few months over whether or not violence is a religious freedom of expression -> http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/12/13/pol-cp-scoc-terror-khawaja.html see, so this other article is whether or not the victim of rape should be required to remove her head-covering to identify her rapists - and i figure they'd remember what they did whether or not they seen her'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'seems ridiculous, I understand the need to face your accuser'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but it is a family member, so they know who she is'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so it seems rediculous, is it rediculous to delay the trial over the accused desire for her to violate her religion, which they seem to take pretty seriously when not under fire?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'funny stuff huh, i always keep an eye out for the sympathy card and how they use it'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I am agreeing with the accuser in that it should be okay'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Since 6USAmend is in the BIll of Rights, it takes precedence.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Reason for the delay: The prosecution may not excessively delay the trial for its own advantage, but a trial may be delayed to secure the presence of an absent witness or other practical considerations (e.g., change of venue). -- this is america wii page on 6 amendment, but even here - if male muslims playing the poor-me card poor-me the court when it tries to trespass on their beliefs, then what about a woman who the accused would know what they done to, who doesn't really need to be seen for their guilt to be examined?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i'm thinking on, it seems almost hypocritical, and especially if she's not lying - i understand reading facial expressions is one way to determine that - but probably not the only '
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah its a bullshit defense, hiding behind the law'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but, maybe religion absent from courtroom would be best - like why did they have to debate whether or not violence was freedom of religious expression before?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is there really a debate?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah that sounds bogus as well, all freedoms are restricted'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'i.e. your right to swing your fist ends at my nose etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah?  i think religion should be left out of the court-room totally, not trying to make itself exempt from the law - although here if those males are muslims trying to get her to break their religious law, that's what i found most interesting about the decision'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in theory, and only in theory, religion should not be a factor in matters concerning the state.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'since male muslims go crazy across the ocean and 1000 miles of desert cause somebody in florida burned a book'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so, i'm thinking in terms of not being hypocrites'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not necessarily the same thing'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the hypocritical aspect of this is that they would force her to be covered up in public, but are using it to their advantage in court'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'do you think Catholics would not berserk if, for instance, someone burned down St Peter's?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'blatantly disrespecting someone's religion is a good way to get fried anywhere'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'wether it be Islam, Christianity, Judaism'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'absolutely'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'people are silly that way :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah?  why is that?  if they know they know the truth why should they be offended that somebody else doesn't?'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its not about them not adhering to their religion, it is about disrespect'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the two things are not the same'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it's a matter of pride and self-image. They define themselves by their religious beliefs, attacks of those beliefs are personal.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no different than Lakers vs Heat or UCLA vs USC :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst rapidly nods twice at SnailBot Anaristos, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so it has nothing to do with god at all then'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or some metaphysical beyonder'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'pretty shallow defense if you ask me'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'which one, the criminal defense'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or the one about faith being part of their identity'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the faith + the things they do to protect it, being originally in their own group-identity, versus heavenly'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'makes me wonder why they locked charles manson up really'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'some types of antisocial behavior is more acceptable'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'especially because everyone does it'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'are*'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as is common anyways, not saying there is no god except i don't see the sky rumbling with his voice as he lets us know he's in on our religion'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'beliefs are by defintion irrational'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'no point in bringing logic into it'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so, what if i was to write a book today called the new religion, and then led an army to conquer a country, and raised their survivors in concentration camps where they learned about the religion (as history says charlamagne did amongst others) and how heavenly father wants them to do things'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'faith that is'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'make an ebook and sell it on amazon.com'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'killing in the name of a creator is completely irrational. It violates the very principle one is defending.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm sure god almighty would even understand such a human observation, being observant of their wicked ways'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'What the perpetrator fails to grasp is that killing in the name of god gives god a bad name because it indicates that this god is partial to some of his creations.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and i see absolutely no guarantee that that's not the extent of any surviving religion - only on the stories or pages of some i read i seen information that seemed not concerned with this material world'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sort of like racism or nationalism are used to set people at odds with one another, religion - some commands not to have an ego or that your human ruler is god's will and things like that'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sort of disarms opposition to being slaves or mystifies self-sacrifice guided by the priest etc, all things which are handy to this mortal world - which doesn't mind consuming people at all'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but there also seems to be some good teachings too which are more what i'd consider a real religion'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read in history that at the death of pharoah they buried his entire servants and cat and various people like virgins occasionally (this was done in south africa too as late as 1890), called oni, and often yearly they'd kill more people after having them memorize a message to carry to their dead leader in the afterlife - so some people's religion is recorded as being absolutely rooted here with their deity in heaven being their master on earth'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'suitable to slaves to have in death with refreshments on anniversaries etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but that's just some of the things i think about on the nature of religion - i'm not very keen on the thought of worshipping the people who rule this world forever in the thought that there might be one beyond'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ooh, interest on the US debt for 2012 is $227 billion or 6% of the budget.'
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'at least some religions include acknowledgements in their own pages though - O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! (Romans 11:33) '
T3/r7/2012-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'a big chunk of that is interest owed to Social Sec trust fund'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Dutch authorities have decided to approve a motion abandoning a law under which it is a crime to insult God. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20530428 there's still hope'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '.. like who knows who god is?  in all cases it's a human who's insulted on behalf of god - it's like a schizophrenic defending the rights of his imaginary friends'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'my imaginary friends have rights !'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'I get the point though - but flag burning in the same category ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the bible even supports that , i think - Be not deceived'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the bible even supports that , i think - Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. -- Galatians 6:7'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'what goes around comes around - Hells Angels :D'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'flag-burning's symbolic like book-burning, each has it's meaning to a certain demographic, and whoever burns it has something against that demographic - which is understandable'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'at least it's not people burning - which they figure's more acceptable in some places'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'people burning was acceptable in the dark ages'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: '"monk BBQ show" ... '
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'happened in the 70's-80's ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'self immolation as a form of protest '
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'over Tibet ? not sure the details '
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'during vietnam, certain monks protestede the war that way'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tzadkiel: 'still here Dru ? '
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, Airbus opened up a jet manufacturing factory in Alabama.....and they are hiring 1800 people.'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The unemployment rate in north dakota is 3.2%, it is .06 % in western north dakota, and the rate is 4.1% in south dakota.'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'And next year after they open some more wells, the unemployment rate will be negative? :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is dropping like a rock in montana also because of the expansion of coal, oil and gas in eastern montana.'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Walmart is starting new employees at $17 an hour in western north dakota, and they need 124 new employees right now.'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Portgaze: 'flamingos'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'i qouted that from a movie'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'and if i remeber correctly it was Einstien'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'who said it*'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '2000-3000 jobs open every month in western north dakota.'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'sorry I was gone for too long folks.. I had to get drugs.. Sorry It happens.. But when it doesn't.. You don't wanna be 500 times richer than I am;)'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you like that?  it's all verifiable'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1804_Haiti_Massacre was an ethnic cleansing which was carried out on the remaining white population of French Creoles on Haiti by the order of Jean-Jacques Dessalines. Emperor Haile Selassie I of Ethiopia briefly visited Haiti in 1966 (he was the only head of state to visit the country during Duvalier's presidency[29])'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'during his visit, Duvalier awarded him the Necklace of the Order of Jean-Jacques Dessalines the Great, and Selassie, in turn, bestowed upon Duvalier the Great Necklace of the Order of the Queen of Saba. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Duvalier'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The Ethiopian Orthodox Church claims to possess the Ark of the Covenant, or Tabot, in Axum, not far from the border with Eritrea. The object is currently kept under guard in a treasury near the Church of Our Lady Mary of Zion and is used occasionally in ritual processions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ark_of_the_Covenant#Ethiopia (i'm just getting at whether or not racism is very alive and well in the world) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Zuma (papa doc also is quoted in article as having placed a voodoo curse on JFK), God expects us to rule this country because we are the only organisation which was blessed by pastors when it was formed. It is even blessed in Heaven. That is why we will rule until Jesus comes back. We should not allow anyone to govern our city when we are ruling the country.'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and if so, how much?'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the mount where jesus spoke from is also, apparently from what i seen, one of the muslims 3 sacred sites - in one interpretation i seen, defeating the worshippers of other gods and claiming their sacred sites as their own'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just outside of israel'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so it's all pretty weird, seeing black people claiming to be the real jews in some propaganda, muslims claiming jesus was a prophet of allah etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read some stories in the news about it, and you can look it up '
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what do you think though, what's the nature of their multiculturalism and liberalism?  and what's being done to make sure it's not all racist?'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i imagine most of it isn't racist, but judging from some of that it appears some of it definitely is'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Jesus IS a prophet of Allah, but he's basically just another prophet.  On the level of, say, Elijah.  In Christianity he's THE prophet, said to bring about the end of the world when he reappears (ie, the plague of Jesus).  In Judaism, Jesus is also just another prophet, with the role of Messiah being passed around each generation like a local council chairmanship (you are born into the role, but if the conditions for your ascension don't happen then you vacate the role of Messiah and someone from the next generation is chosen).'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Jews moreorless seem to agree that for his generation Jesus was not the Messiah, and since Jesus is very "obviously" dead then him coming back wouldn't make him the Messiah.'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen other ways than literal interpretation of the gospel, some like a code - and jesus demanding people to kill those people who didn't want him to be their king kind of puts in question alot of the benevolent character of jesus'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'look at charlamagne as an example and what kind of christianity he taught to people - it's no different than the barbarians slaughtering people on the news in other places in the world today, except more systematic like concentration camps - they were enculted by a murderer and their generations hence thought that was the root of their salvation and followed it in various forms of sacrifice, all of which originating in a murderous tyrant called charlamagne'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people're afraid to stray beyond even that religion, or to see that religion as the basis for other's religions'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in communist countries they treat their chain of command like religion too, their leader is the living avatar of god, if they disagree then they go to concentration camps in the same way - it's just survival instinct to pass on the brainwashing from generation to generation possibly'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even though the only root in mysticism or divinity in the religion is what was pieced together from outside sources around the will of the being in the book'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i see christianity as a concentration camp that de-claws everybody born in it from ever recognizing the enemy who placed them in it, same how i see other religions - adding god's will is not your survival , and the man who owns you is placed there by god to the mix'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FoxMulder: 'is anyone debating with you on this or are you just ranting'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm just decompiling religious brainwashing and racist cults'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'feel free to point out where i'm wrong'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'for example, parting the sea by moses, it's so amazingly unthinkable how cold somebody do that?  but in the book people are water, god is not the author of confusion, religion sets one against another, flooded the earth global flood, whore sitting on water etc - it's riddles that can be decoded to be no more than human'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not all things are like that though in real spirituality, i think, just sometimes allegories can be seen in the world even'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that they're worshipped as god might give them some kind of a black-magic 'you know not what you worship' jesus saying over the world'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like if you consider that from 1960-1990 or so every male born in hospital was basically mandatory circumcision in several nations, in genesis 9:11 is mentioned a pact with god to never flood to utterly destroy the earth again (circumcision of the flesh) while in revelation 17:15 the waters whereon the whore sitteth are nationalities, and peoples and tongues'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so, by chance we got some mystification of world war 3 possibly'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but there's alot of pieces to the puzzle if you look for them, it can be even pretty convincing, somebody shaping world events as people's god's will or whatever they are, forms of cynicism, or just random chance'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then there's that guy they say associated with 1997 thailand with his anti-bush america is a threat to world peace, think-tanks from ussr, new ussr 'unknown until now' politicians in armenia, 'receive their power one hour with the beast', museum's, tmt, 'we can't see the bottom quote' from the bottomless pit'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lots of weird things like that to see, it's almost too random to not have a pattern'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even another funny one was alexander the great plumbing being the result of a google search on a phone number mentioned in a movie about the watergate scandal -> so there's even some more water after genesis 9:11 and revelation 17:15'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some kind of a metaphysical machine of intelligent design they built is what i think, whoever they are - but rooted in hellish mystical beast or the authors of charlamagne's concentration camps?'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'd wager more on charlamagne, because odds of being born in the end of the world out of 4.5 billion years of the world, or 65,000 years of humanity aren't very good'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros like this is what i think i meant, "We witnessed the collapse of the financial system ... It was placed on life support, and it's still on life support. There's no sign that we are anywhere near a bottom."'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just going along with the bible allegory reasonings, somebody on here pointed out that guy awhile back, i noticed that quote'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'bottomless pit/fiscal clifff, seems like it could be similar'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'somebody mentioned the knesset to me once too on another program, i don't know why but they sure had alot of weird stories to share'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'far as i could see jesus is a lie especially to some wealthy individuals who think god is false, and maybe once in awhile they like to prove to themselves how false their god is by manifesting it's demon's through their own systematic destruction'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cause people can be evil like that'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sort of like a higher level of mockery'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i like mine better than davinci code and theirs though, it has less art involved and goes straight towards the mind of the artist'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nobody has any thoughts on it cause it's not an official fiction?  that's fine'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is it just random chance that 'new jerusalem' got renamed to munster, pronounced monster, in the 1500's?'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's amazing randomness if anything'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's an unindexed bible verse on google too - which says 'truth is twice what is' or the spirit of truth, and the saying 'double-cross' means betrayal, also the second death, not one cross but truth is twice what is, does this indicate anything out of the ordinary?'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i remember reading it in there anyways, i'm surprised i can't find it on google'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'tesla expected population control to be an ordinary part of everyday life by year 2100, see how prophecy's are fulfilled'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it'll be ordinary societal practice'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'another USSR prophet, karl marx was german like the guy who translated mayan codex (but this might not go anywhere like a guidestone)'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if suddenly the continents flipped like icebergs cause a prophet seen it in the future and man didn't install the hydraulic systems yet, that's more the kind of real prophecy i would believe in, even though it'd probably be fatal to witness - anything involving humans, recorded in history, almost invariably is humans in control who shape everybody's fate underneath their own, and guide their prophecy's into fruition, as can be witnessed in the gospel story where the high priest pays the servants to make his predictions accurate, while pilate washed his hands of the whole situation'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even though the story may be false in it's entirety, it still does show some legitimate skepticism into any divine nature of anything in the power of man'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '2 Timothy 3:5 -- Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. :: see?  that can mean like what i'm saying'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'instead most people take it to mean a curse on themselves, and in a way it sort of is'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i heard something about the black plague not being a disease once too, something about arabia selling slaves, something about the slaves taking up their religion as their own against the people who bought from arabia and various other things that're interesting, like last words spoken in the gospel'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the silk road's cool too though, imagine china being over 3500 years old, how old the texts they have in their library's might be'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they probably know alot of things that everybody else guesses about'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mao's ww2 death-toll also is pretty inspiring, accumulatively it looks almost like the amount of casualties of the allies and victims of the nazi's - from some sites i seen'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'apparently it was people killed in chinese concentration camps though, apparently chinese people'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'imagine that?  65 million people according to some sites, and not even a mention in history along with the nazi's (whose opponents are also missing from history)'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but, that's all history i guess, no way to verify history without being there, except to accept the official versions passed down, someplaces against the law to question those'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they don't plan on repeating it, maybe'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'my grandpa knew about chinese water torture somehow, drip drip drip, which they used in east germany after ww2, but he was apparently born and raised in canada'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '1 in 4 people there was a police or a informant'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in russia i read it's 1 in 298 now'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so i believe him, probably just learned about it from somebody elses experiences or something - but i found it all pretty interesting'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'In 1901, eight orchid hunters went to look for rare orchids in the Philippines. One of the hunters was eaten by a tiger, another had oil spilled on him and was burned alive, and five others vanished completely. The man who survived the ordeal collected 7,000 orchid specimens.'
T3/r7/2012-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sounds almost as odd as the tomb of king tut necronomicon and the missing people surrounding the mummy franchise'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Axil: 'rawr'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if big business is the enemy of small business (example monsanto memorandum of understanding owning over 127 trademark companies which were took over by them, independent in name only) and communism is the enemy of independence (everything is managed by the state, and it's 'corporations'), then is the eventual outcome of capitalism, communism?'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i never seen much of a difference myself, everything is populated by a ruling class and a antfarm'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if mockery of god is a crime that burns down churches and hunts unbelievers, what about vocabulary in the workplace?  why should i have to tolerate their monologous verbal assault all day long?  should that be a crime too?'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'since i showed that mockery of god is somebody being offended on behalf of god, who is not mocked, effectively protecting his imaginary friend - what sensitivities god has being defined by their religion, maybe your imaginary friend is offended by something other than mine and we have an equal opportunity law to uphold'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'organized imaginary friends or else you'll burn in hell , unenlightened one = religion, lucifer the priest'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people who have their own imaginary friends are crazy, they should be locked in asylums for deviating from the will of lord'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lord sees our imaginary friends for us'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'can there be such a thing as mental illness and religion coexisting simultaneously?'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'crazy people can say to religious people, at least i have my own imaginary friends, you posers'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i have my mind fixated on the inability to see the angel who told the prophet to tell the scribe to write down what i'm reading'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this keeps my mind under control'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nobody really has any thoughts on the place of religion in the world of mental illness definitions hmm?'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's alright i guess, it's just one of those darknesses that the professionals see through'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'look at the world, you expect people to have faith in somebody left standing's version of god, and underneath the upright among them who is above - why would god subject himself to their control in a world that contradicts the very thought of heaven?'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and then punish people who doubt that story in light of what he knows to be the truth'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'you want to become an inquisitor chemosh? They were fashionable in the middle age.'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's all kinds of inquisitors in the world today, not all of them are religious though, at least not in the beyond sense of the word - more concerned over other man-made structures'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'true'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'there is still hope tho http://youtu.be/8-SiYQ8s_6I'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'did the world end ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'does the Maya day end at sunset or midnight?'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'the sky has turned red already and its only 19.34 here'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'uh oh, we lost 4.5 hours in the day?  There goes our tv time!'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'oops. its just the wine bursting out from my eye sockets'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Support Freedom!  Buy a gun, or 12!'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'true freedom would be if we could get guns for free'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, that is communism, move to cuba you commie. :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): .... Hwuaijijal tsks Rizgoth.  You feel sorry for him.
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rizgoth is acting like an ass, he must want attention.
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'suuuure, $150 million for a minimalist super yacht.....'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont get to shoot zombies? :('
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'alberta's the only canadian province with it's own embassy in washington dc -> http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/story/2012/12/21/calgary-schools-closed-threats.html all of a sudden they got threatening behaviours, but they're on top of it - cause unarmed is safer than armed?  i'm not so sure that's not intelligently designed'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'kind of like their selective criticism, as you see on latimes.com homepage, the protestor is holding a sign claiming the nra is killing our children'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they said that about some other organization, indeed it's illegal to even consider some of them, what'd happen then?'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not making that up, looks like they changed the homepage for latimes in the last hour or two though'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''Above, a protester holds up a sign at the news conference. ' -> but they changed that'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's like a repentance pose, see what some people think?  that sells my agenda, but i'm not quite that bad - i see that you can repent and am a wise guy'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he's on your side, protecting you from the mob being the mediator of sanity, which you're the only obstacle for'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i see anyways, i'm a pessimist though, unlike 99% of the population'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so you have 2 choices, euthanize the retards or demonize the 'indefinite' nra?  '
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'funny system of social engineering you got in affect there, with some strategic ignorance'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if that's what it is i mean, i'm just considering the media - and that's one way i see it '
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe everybody else does too, i don't know - best to take things all at face value'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i mean, it's no good that people have to be armed when the only animals to shoot are other people - but if you seen people like i seen people, it's understandable not to trust in history not repeating itself'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '312-210-30 = 132 million'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it's incredible how china has 1.4 billion people in a area of land not too extravagantly bigger than america or canada, and india has what, 1.2?  and there's apparently a guy saying 210 million is too many people for the space in america at least, not sure what canada's quota is'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see master/slave races and all that, nations'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Holdren not saying it's real or anything, but there's sources at the bottom and things like that, global population controls etc, balancing acts, logic '
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, we need another 50 million living in california.'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and perhaps another 50 million in new england.'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'already showed what i think of the spread of islam and it's laws, 'as theology/atheism, unbeliever/nonhuman = a tool of population control''
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'tools of population control are too numerous to number possibly, but they can be identified by reasoning out their eventual course of action'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.cbc.ca/news/ there's the sign the protestor's holding, not yet removed from the site'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'tell me what the definition of 'terror suspect is' as they're there portraying the NRA , the protestor, which if somebody accused somebody else of a 'protected group' of what would happen to them?'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'isn't it odd? that's what i noticed, the hypocritical judgement and the openness of the one-sided criticism of people'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as long as you're hating on my side, hate on - thoughts to the contrary are the only problem i see'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what do you think of it rizgoth?  is that a fair sequence of media events?'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess as long as the public's allowed to have it's opinion that's the main thing'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's the kind of exploitation i don't agree on, it's all handled by stupidity with fears not conversed in open-debates, as the government itself is beyond debate in those and it's possible future motives are seen as classified - basically treating people like babies who can't think for themselves'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but it's understandable, if people like that article suggests and stigmatization of minorities being present with gulag-esque martial law in effect, in a world without those other problems that the neccessity for weapons of killing in people's homes would be there, since there's not many non-human animals to hunt anymore'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i agree with that 100%, although in a world like that, people would be more satisfied and wouldn't feel as compelled to kill eachother too, so setting things beyond reach is only a measure against a larger failure'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Many organizations that are accused of being a terrorist organization deny using terrorism as a military tactic to achieve their goals, and there is no international consensus on the legal definition of terrorism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_designated_terrorist_organizations so with your 'indefinite detention without trial' of 'terror suspects' and the sign the protestor is holding here http://www.cbc.ca/news/ stating 'NRA killing our children' for wanting to do their 2nd amendment while placing armed guards at school , do you think the politician there could have a use of the law?'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and before that, it was asocial retards who were the obvious problem, orated over on all media sites covering the story in the west'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'another application of their 'what is the definition of terror'?  it's possible - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalization_%28sociology%29 ->  refers to social processes through which ideas and actions come to be seen as "normal" and become taken-for-granted or 'natural' in everyday life.'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see people paying attention to 'the rise of evil' historical video's on the nazi's'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'did they notice it rising while it rose then?'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'were the victims of bolshevik deception misled?'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's some things i notice about it anyways, i can't prove my own self wrong and they seem to fit into my expectations fairly accurately - but there's always the possibility that i am wrong about them, however invisible the good nature of humanity may be'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's even funny that an american burns a book and across the ocean orators condemn the burners cause they blew up a church and hunted some unbelievers in response - in comparison to here american's defending their 2nd ammendment are being portraited on a mass-media cubicle spread across the western horizon as baby killers -> http://www.cbc.ca/news/ see that?  look at the photo shoot, couldn't they have selected one that doesn't condemn itself?'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it'll be gone in awhile, like they removed it from latimes within a couple hours of placing it there - but it's seen by probably tens of millions of people today, who don't notice the contrasting hypocrisy of the situation'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or they might'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The Second Amendment (Amendment II) to the United States Constitution is the part of the United States Bill of Rights that protects the right of the people to keep and bear arms. It was adopted on December 15, 1791, along with the rest of the Bill of Rights. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution portrayed here as a 'baby killer' the NRA in the sign the protestor is holding, recently removed as the cover-picture from latimes.com, on cbc for a short time -> http://www.cbc.ca/news'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and what kind of reaction did america hand to the man from florida who burned a book, and got blamed by the media of the west and the government of being a worse criminal than those people who slaughtered innocent people in response'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's sickening level of hypocritical stupidity, i think on yuri bezmenov sometimes to keep sane, but he's just a conspiracy i think '
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess it's pretty sure that russia and china didn't already defeat america's military in foreign lands, the media says they're still out there anyways - not quite as consistently as at first'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like on bbc a few months ago, chinese subs were tailing american warships, and a russian sub was off the east coast of the usa'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'trying to reason out the stupidity i see is all'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, philip morris has bought an additional 25,000 acres of northern california mountain land on top of the 50,000 acres they bought a few years ago.'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the news claims japan sword they'd shoot down that rocket if it crossed their airspace, but they didn't'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so it's all pretty interesting isn't it, australia and arabia controlling the media, news story about australia needing to ally with china or america'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess we'll see what happens though, probably that's not the case'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'syria danny's a real endemic media experience though isn't he?  who woulda thunk that re-enactments wouldn't be noted in the news reports?'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'assuming it's not a fabricated fabrication that is'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Film_Unfinished is an interesting movie, i seen it a few months ago - who's the directors?  i was reminded of several social discrepencies in the 'allied world''
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the narrator claims it's the nazi's, but in that entire video i can't remember seeing a single one - although they did an interview later on with a man claiming to have been a shameful member of the film crew sent there'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all of the evidence indicating it was the nazi's is in the form of journals, with such phrases as 'to future generations' in their literature'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so i found it questionworthy myself, as all the evidence of the contrary is based on somebody's words'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the kind of crimes you see portrayed in the movie are mentioned in a speech by hitler in 'declares war on poland' though, look it up on youtube - i'm not sure if it's legitimate or not but that's what's included in it'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM1h_2ujsvs there it is'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so when looking for reasons for this world i keep things like that in mind, not fearing political correctness in eliminating misconceptions, since any truth can stand a challenge and come out on top'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'could be though, just some master-media minds or whatever they are, still doesn't explain the disparity in modern culture though, as it resembles the video more and more every day'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that indicates to me a common director - like how hugh heffner is so very successful in setting the goals of all american males in a smorgasborg that he mysteriously possesses, or other superstar's of mysterious fortune - public examples of what you want and what i have, how can you get it?  '
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see the contrasts in the video, see if you can see the contrast i contrast'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's a pretty ordinary procedure practiced everywhere, and i think they're basically the same thing'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think they should hold a public burning of books every single day on international media until they give up on killing themselves over it - maybe if they killed everybody good in their borders then nuclear weapons would be an ok pest exterminator'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'although i understand doing things to piss other people off, but within your own borders of freedom of playboys?  hmm'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seems like a more valid response than conforming to their oppression'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but that's just me, i even hate christianity because charlamagne taught it to my ancestors in concentration camps'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap9KRaaZ7Yk'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Axil: 'and it starts'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is pre-clearing products from certain supply companies, in approved locations, so their shipments are not checked, a security vulnerability?'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i was reading about it on new mexico news or possibly somewhere else like alaska/washington state news'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'apparently they'll have a unbroken seal applied at the place they send it from and then it goes right through without a look'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no more or less a security vulnerability than any other screening process, really'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it could enhance security when combined with the ordinary manual check'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the gps tracking the route of the vehicle and stuff - i think it's still good to look over it though - because if they could see some money to be made at the point of origin, they might be able to see a way into the loads to ship whatever they like'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but, that's just what i thought on it, pre-clearing things sounds like less of a ease of work-burden and more of a ease of explaination'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'doesn't matter where the check happens, point of origin or checkpoint...there's always a point after that point'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people who got rich selling drugs pretty much own whatever they want though (or people, big business there, apparently 27 million in 2011 recorded by america's vatican ambassador)'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/18/us-slavery-idUSTRE74H63V20110518 there, kind of crazy to think of even 27 million people, that's alot - but they're all slaves here'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yean, point after that point, but at the border things are not yet in america, so if they put something in the truck after the border (or railcar or whatever else) then it was already there'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but like i said about drug-lords owning whatever they want, or other bloody criminals - law's just a fallacy to them anyways, isn't it?  i was thinking in terms of theoretical security'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there's no dome around the US...the border isn't a magical place to "stop it here or else"...'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the checks are generally for monetary declaration and tariffs, not for drugs'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'plane or boat is still the better way to get drugs into the country, can't have a border crossing on all plane/boat landing spots'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, they even have submarines some of them'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Psyiode: 'some of those home made subs are pretty crafty'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no real need for submarines, there's no blockade to run'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't think criminals want drugs to be legal either, according to what i seen in a documentary on 1980's miami, the over-supply of cocaine at the time caused alot of the gangs to be extensively violent to make sure that theirs was the cocaine everybody else was using'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so what can happen with that'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think knowledge is the best strategy to defeat things like substance abuse, it doesn't seem to be an overly large crowd of zealous druggies happy in the legalized american states, but there are some - the illegalness of some things makes them more desireable imo'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'drugs are kind of funny business too, it's like psychiatrist glorifying the medicine he uses on his patients and seeing which rat reaches the meth dispenser first - i read that alot of the drugs people commonly use today all had their origins in mental asylums and were used alot in human experimentation'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'laudenum was the most hardcare drugs people used like 100 years ago - 150 years ago, except some used opium which is laudenum, and still chewed coca leaves, cocaine was a new invention around the 1850's i think, like heroine which replaced morphine and was used on soldiers - similar to the new opiates people're addicted to, it was a alternative that was less addicting , but turned out otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'back then i think people had a more involved, hands-on life though, their purposes weren't all mechanized and man-made, they still had some use and some substance to their days often'
T3/r7/2012-12-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i look at things like that and wonder what the solution is, but maybe they don't want one'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people also hate on people on some form of social assistance - calling them the problem with society - but if you see migrant workers, once in awhile it appears the person who hooked them up with the employer in your country, in their country, has a deal going where a certain amount of their pay will be given to the contractor, and the worker gets a certain amount of the pay - maybe it's 40% sometimes - it adds up to alot of money the more migrant workers there are'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and what's the difference between them and somebody on some form of social assistance, except the person on social assistance can't get a job because of them once in awhile - the people handling the set-up process get as much money as they can provide workers, for their job of knowing the people who run the business'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so the difference is the malevolence, intent of slavery and sheer wealth generated by their form of welfare'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or 'social assistance''
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but, that's another problem i see, similar to drugs - obviously both are profitable as they are and nobody wants that to change, ono'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In Iowa, it is not perfectly legal to fire someone if you're "[irresistible attracted]" to them and feel like you just won't be able to help but to be unfaithful to your spouse with them, even if they have absolutely no interest in having an affair with you.'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So ruled an all-male 7-man Supreme Court because some idiot was "motivated by feelings and emotions and concern for his marriage" when he fired someone he says was the best dental assistant he's ever had because he was really attracted to her and his wife was jealous.'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It is NOW, by the way.'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts claps half-heartedly, clearly unimpressed.
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'in many states, it's perfectly legal to fire someone [end of sentence, it's your choice to employ]'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(out of a cannon)'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'especially if the employee is disruptive (even if passively).'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The decisions specifically mentions that workplace conduct and quality of work is meaningless in cases such as these.'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, that's true.'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'As long as you're too attractive to your boss, no matter how good of an employee you are, they can fire you.'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'makes sense to me :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if your attractiveness causes disruption in the workplace, you are liability not an asset.'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What part of "It doesn't matter if you're not causing any disruption" was too Canadian French pour toi the first time I said it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in fact, attractiveness falls under the same realm as being too short or too tall for the job.'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'boobies!'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'some people don't get hired because they are not attractive, when was the last time you found a hideous model?'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'unless of course the product called  for a hideousness :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-20825061 Do American guns kill Mexicans?  -- maybe a program they could have for this is registration of firearms at time of purchase and things like that, along with phone owner can be reached at, and yearly verification that guns are still in their possession?'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how are you going to demonise gun ownership if you do that?'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no cost really needed, maybe voluntary to find who buys them to sell them again and things like that'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that doesn't make it no cost...'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no, but it wouldn't have to really be a national burden, i imagine there'd be a way to not monopolize the process'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'info's gotta be stored somewhere, database has to be built, computers need somewhere to run, phone lines need to exist'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, and the government probably monitors everything behind the scenes on taxes anyways, what'd be the extra cost?'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it could be done in a non-burdensome way, somehow'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's likely no complete solution though, as long as there's gain to be had and less and less ways to earn the same there'll be attempted criminals'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''crime of passion', 'manslaughter', http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_disorder_defence , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-defense , but is there a 'Act of desperation'?'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like the guy stealing a loaf of bread and having his hands severed for theft in the market - it's a little different in developed countries'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what would be a suitable use for a law?  was he stealing a plasma television or a loaf of bread?  what was the motives for the crime?  did anything besides mental disability work?  'rehabilitation center''
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''could not pay the rent' + plasma television = jury ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i never heard of it, usually theft is a pretty written in stone kind of law, i seen some cases similar to 'act of desperation' though, movie alive's sort of one, similar to some places in the bible'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no defense for 'exploitation of the desperate' either, another things i noticed - except in select cases, like residential schools etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wouldn't call it a gaping hole though in the law, i was just curious if somebody knows about it '
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Medieval Jameson: 'channel is for figuring out what is worth arguing about'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, milk is going to cost $7.00 or more per gallon next year.'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the price of milk in the US is based on a formula that determines how much the US govt pays for milk from milk producers, and in 2013 without a new extension of the US farm bill, it will revert back to 1949 formulas, making the price of a gallon of milk in the store around $6 to 8.'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it has been documented (by film) that CA milk producers dump milk to maintain the price up artificially.'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they dont dump it, the govt buys it and turns it into fat free powdered milk for future use.'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the govt currently has billions of lbs stored.'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, there is video evidence of the dumps.'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is stupid then, because the feds buy all extra milk to keep the price lower.'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the producers get a higher price than they would have if they all competed.'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they don't buy enough to make the price as high as they want. They started dumping when milk was selling for 0.50/gallon. The price promptly rose to 1.00 and has been climbing since then. Cows are not low-yielding, consumption is actually somewhat down because of the price, so there is actually a glut which is artificially reduced by dumping.'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they copied the technique from beef producers. Beef producers don't dump, they just keep the birth rate down artificially so there is always less that the demand.'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, there is enough uranium in the ocean water to provide power for over 10,000 years.'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'have scientists discovered how to utilize it yet?'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, but it costs about $400 a lb to extract it....and the current price of land mined uranium is closer to $30'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Algeria is the newest member of the shale gas club.....an estimated 600 trillion cubic feet of recoverable gas has been discovered.'
T3/r7/2012-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'an estimated 400 trillion has been found so far in Jordan also, and over 700 trillion cubic feet in Israel.'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'A University of Texas at Arlington physics professor has helped create a hybrid nanomaterial that can be used to convert light and thermal energy into electrical current, surpassing earlier methods that used either light or thermal energy, but not both.'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hmm, could swear I read about that like 4 months ago'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'last month. :p'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody's world ended yesterday?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mayor bloomberg is a fraud'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'new york state considering legalised extortion'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you mean like higher taxes?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, considering "mandatory buyback" of semi-autos'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'who cares?  You can get any gun you want in the US easier than you can get a pint of ice cream.'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't like high taxes, but you're happy for the state to give your money to people as hush money for the arms they are being forced to give up?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when is that self-propelled stomach, Michael Moore, going to die of a heart attack, and can he hurry up already please?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'China now exporting pills made with ground up baby corpses'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1934, The Carnegie Institute put out a paper explaining the need to, and how to use schools to turn America from a free market economy to a centrally controlled and managed economy'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Philly high schools to install free condom machines'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Experts believe North Korea is also years away from gaining the ability to mount a nuclear bomb on a missile. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20830605 '
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they were always years away from anything'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is that like a real belief of theirs?  they got borders with russia and china, and it didn't take them decades before they could do it'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was perfectly clear to anyone who isn't a complete idiot'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'north korea don't have home grown technologuy'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any significant breakthrough in technology will have been given to them by the Chinese or Russians'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no home grown technology but they have their own computer systems and stuff'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even that's old'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen video's from possibly some of them concentration camp and stuff haha, looks like what other countries are evolving into'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how come there's no 'act of desperation' or 'exploitation of desperation' acts in the law tiger?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does there need to be?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'quite hard to prove'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ultimately shouldn't be needed'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's alot of other things, no generalizations like that though - i imagine you could see a place where it's application would have prevented some form of ongoing crime'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'trials were supposed to be a trial of your peers, desperation and other extraordinary circumstances were supposed to be taken into account'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why you have the options of guilty, not guilty, and nullification'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'd go for nullification for alot of things'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, but governments have deliberately black-holed it though'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't want people to know of the origins of law, the origins of the court system, or how it truly was intended to work'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all they want now is for judges to meter out punishment based on the whim of the government at the time'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'disappointed that Astroworld was closed....used to love going there as a kid.'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't worry riz, you can go to Soviet World now instead!'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'exploiting desperation - like the workers in a concentration camp trying not to be burned, or a student in school testing experimental pharmaceutical products for merit points, a badge of notibility or a few extra bucks - or becoming a prostitute to pay the bills, exploitive - being the manager of the prostitutes, hiring foreign labour which provides more prostitutes back home and exploits their situation at lower costs'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the UK? No thanks!'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'stealing a plasma television cause you're greedy or causey ou can't pay the rent, explain yourself in court'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Canada's oil sands will drive the country's economic engine for the next 25 to 30 years, a new report says.'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see i see act of desperation and exploitation of desperation neccessary elements in any law book'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'for having things fair, cause they're not very fair are they'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i struggle to see the relevence'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'count the amount of people being exploited at this moment - it's billions'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how will a law help someone in a pow camp?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in that case then it's better to shoot the executioner or die trying instead of like in the photo's from the holocaust, taking it in the back of the head on your knees in a nice line'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yes'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do you think patriots have the saying "from my cold dead hands"?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'In the new world order, the UK will be the new prison island camp......'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'once it is full of asylum seekers?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'once?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'already is'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'too many British people there now'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'too many of everyone'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Australia's largest coal seam gas field has been leaking large amounts of methane, a new report says.   Perhaps we should tap into that gas better and produce power from it.'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'well, it's nice to see through the thousands of pages of law book they have that they missed some basic elements of 'fair' though'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's even verses in the bible about exploitation of people'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fair is not in the dictionary of people who crave power'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so should they be protected by the law too?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or did they provide it along with the missing elements'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whom?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the people who think they're god'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone should be treated the same'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'imagine being a cop, or a military - there on your wages of 40-55 thousand per year, aware that even after 1000 years of serving your country, your existance would be worth less than 1 year of a moderately paid rich Corporate Executive?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not an issue of legality'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess they got other incentives or else are unaware of the contrast though'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's an issue of lack of appreciation of the worth of things'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a natural progression of greed and materialism'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, people who "work for a living" area VERY aware of the contrast'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not sure it's something that can/should be legislated against'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's up to the people, they need to get pissed off about it, and government will use ever increasing amounts of violence, propoganda, or tyranny to clamp down on it'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'repeated through history time and again'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'watch that movie 'a film unfinished' and see if you can see the contrast between playboy showing you what you want and why they have it for a living that you want to earn'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or other moderator of society, there's quite a few of them to use as examples of a world war 2 concentration camp'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'although, we're not in one , it looks like a very similar circumstance'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sw'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.afilmunfinished.com/ '
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't doubt it'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's i guess why they go to such extreme lengths to mass-medicate the public, and dumb them down with tv'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the bolshevik's managed to mislead people into their power'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they were possibly liars though, according to what i seen of history's communism'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'happens all the time. Tony Blair, David Cameron, Obama, Muslim Brotherhood'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you are so cute together :')'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people not being misled into their own power would be better'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't matter what laws you pass, they ignore the laws that are already there, what makes you think new laws would make any difference?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Apps are currently a $280 million a month business.....'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all of their power is based on their bodies being made of meat that can have holes poked in it if they disagree with themselves not being god, aren't they?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't see why people worship the immutable human factor of corruption reigning supreme forever, it doesn't make any sense to me'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just saying, that's how they get ahead and they'll never listen to reason, like the unwritten books 'reasoning with rabies' and 'the death of reason''
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why it doesn't pay to be a 'the protestor' unless most of the public is watching for how the government responds, and the government doesn't want to spook the herd before having them under tighter control'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'protesting gets people into gulag death-camps in russia, as the tubegalore.com website , search for pussy riot, shows'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'unless they was actors all along'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so doesn't pay to protest there'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what makes other nations think their little liberal-ideals mean anything more where they are?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm amazed the 'jewish media' didn't jump all over -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haj_Amin_al-Husseini -> his ties to the original muslim brotherhood, according to articles, his advising hitler and mussolini to keep jews from reaching palestine, and his being schooled by the catholics in turkey, while after ww2 the history of ww1 was rewritten to condemn the lutheran church among other things'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'possibly he's just a total fabrication though, looks like some kind of a totalitarian manufactured situation to me instead of anything not on puppet strings'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cry about anti-semitism over there in europe too, but where's the powerful people in charge of it's lawful handling's skepticism of islam, with that in mind?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or what some of it's members are there historically responsible for'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'catholics sure are interesting though, deacon from quebec just recently found with over 2000 pedophilia images that he produced or had in possession - was it a setup or was he really a pervert like that?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'got a church in my local community, somebody should interview the children who attend it and see what they have to say'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2012/12/22/mtl-minister-child-porn.html there he is'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if he's not set-up then, people still insist they speak for god'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. -- Matthew 18:6'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so there's hitler was a catholic conspiracy theory and the muslim brotherhood mufti http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haj_Amin_al-Husseini not mentioned in pop-history of anti-antisemitism allegations was schooled by the catholics in turkey conspiracy theory - along with the worker being known by his works'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then we seen a revelation-beast architect suspect'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is leviathan mythical seabeast like typhon (which could mean typhoon or something else), or a collection of acronym's more distinguishable in modern world as 'levi' (priesthood) at (where?) han (dynasty) in china - with them talking about new silk roads and things like mao there'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see china has their dragon parades and things like being over 3500 years old'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the poem kieu is interesting too, vietnam war or not, kind of about a woman forced into prostitution'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.deanza.edu/faculty/swensson/kieu.html'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if i read right, a country near there has several politicians in both russia and america too, and china - maybe the seat of power on earth there'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '(Rev 12:9) And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so i see a false-prophet allegory, a whore allegory, a dragon allegory, a sea-beast allegory, but not mark of the beast yet - although it's a common theme in hollywood movies to touch a sigil to the forhead of the possessed and things like that'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'also the water, can't forget that interesting alexander the great watergate, genesis 9:11 and rev 15:17 (or 17:15)'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'plus mandatory circumcision until 1990 or so'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'kind of black-magic symbolism, mockery of god and prophecy possibly'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if everything's known, is there any room for anything to be anymore?  can knowledge define ignorance without denying itself?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'quantum mechanics prevents everything being known'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'So that's why economists don't find out that more debt is not the solution to a debt problem!'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *Yay!*  Go Tinada!!!  Tigernuts cheers him on.
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think ignorance like that is part of 'national defense''
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whatever kind of sovereign nation requires stupidity to exist'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more likely they're banking on the masses not to question it'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'too many austerians in govt like the lot of you is what caused this crisis to drag on so long...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you're confusing austerians and libertarians'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the countries that were willing to take the budget hit have already moved on'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'are we talking austrian economics or austerity now?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and by "austerians" i mean just about every country in the g8'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you guys had ramped up govt spending as a percentage of gdp like we did, your downturn would've been long over'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government spending was already unsustainable'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they've been saying that about east asia for decades...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hey, it's going to collapse any day now! Welp no, maybe next year?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well here it's true for the government and for households, the last 20 years of growth has been a debt bubble predicated on cheap chinese products and labour'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'maybe the next doomsday's the real one, eh?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'self-inflicted panic...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it's not self-inflicted panic, it's everyone realising that at some point they have to pay debt back and realising they aren't making enough to cover it'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what i'm seeing in the Uk is inevitable, was predictable'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'look at something like the ku klux klan burning crosses and churches for instance, society doesn't 'bleeding heart' the isolated anomoly of the situation like they do for islam and unbelievers or heavenly molestors - what kind of a blindness is that that people're under?  '
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you should be making more stuff, not less'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the kkk were instrumental in pushing through America's first gun restrictions'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(just so the gun grabbers know which side of history they're on...)'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but yet you want to "pay back the debt", by somehow reducing employment...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't pay back the debt through employment by making the state the sole employer'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, that didn't turn out to be the case where it was tried'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't work out here'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't turn out too well in greece, or in south america'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can't be telling me that you guys suck at econs when our leaders studied econs in the us and uk...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the people who pull the strings in our countries don't care'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'all we had to do was hold our noses, cross our fingers, and trust the math...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as long as you hold up aggregate demand, private employment will return to normal'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wonder how many crimes the jews got away with because of superstition or people's fear of the law of antisemitism too, and the powerful allegations sending americans to germany in the 1970's and locking up their lawyer for defending them in court etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are a ton of things broken, unless you address them all, no government sticking plaster will help'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'likely not all jews, but something like the USSR playing the race-card once in awhile'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'adjusting stimulus employment so that it soaks up a large proportion of excess workers, releasing them as necessary to avoid crowding out, isn't exactly rain surgery...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'err, brain'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stimulus employment doing what exactly?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can always find useful stuff'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you could, but that's not what's been suggested or tried'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even if you don't, it's better than nothing'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as long as at the margin, you're boosting private employment per worker hired, it really doesn't matter what they do, as long as it isn't destructive'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's pointless to "try something" unless you fix the underlying problems'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If all economists believe in a flawed theoretical/mathematical paradigm which leads to bad decisions and system, politicians with a background in economics won't necessarily make things any better'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'after you cross that boundary into slight crowding out effects, then you have to do useful stuff to turn a profit.'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'problem we have here is a country with 40 million more people than it actually needs'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'here we go again...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the great "service sector society" was a disaster'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, of course you need real economists, not the crazy "reduce debt now" schools...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also, maybe the solution is not always to "make more stuff"'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that Tinada person again...
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'artificial demand is pointless'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'tell that to people who can't get stuff they want'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unrestrained materialist consumerism was part of the cause of the problem'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'most people can use more stuff...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but they can't get more stuff unless they get more/better work'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and you can't get more/better work unless people buy more stuff'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can't get more/better stuff unless they sponge off the state'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which people want, but can't afford.'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you agree that you're perpetuating a spiral of debt'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's called "work". Maybe be a foreign concept for those who view labour as sponging off on the govt/capitalists'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'err, may be'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a sustainable model'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a model is sustainable if it can last indefinitely...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's no different to those plonkers who campaign for an every increasing population as a solution to the care for the elderly'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that can't'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just saying it's unsustainable does not make it so'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we've been running on that model for decades... only problem we have is the whole land thing'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'since you can always print more money, I'm not sure the concept of sustainability is applicable, perhaps if money was linked to something real'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the model that's gotten us in the problem we're in now'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's not that model that has gotten you in trouble. It's your irrational fear of sovereign debt...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's thanks to economists and politicians that think like that that my generation will die in poverty'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's like you feel that you have to whip yourselves and future generations for your imaginary sins...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Give that levels of sovereign (and other) debt has been increasing (apart from the last couple of years if you look at total debt), it seems a bit strange to claim that the problem is caused by fear of debt'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what a ridiculous statement, the last 3 generations have totally screwed my and the future generations'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you were always going to die in poverty.  The average lifespan now is so long that your retirement savings is going to quit before your last breath.'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there won't -be- a life saving'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's really easy to cure debt problems that are owed to yourself in your own currency'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the market doesn't really care if it's increasing, unless the currency is not your own, or pegged to a standard'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the west is being forceably deindustrialised. If you can't accept that, then there's nothing more to be said'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that sort of debt is merely a taxation problem'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'korea and other places follow the 3rd generation of concentration camp punishment bible sayings'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's not so forceably'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it might as well be forceably for all the power that joe bloggs has to change it'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'disagree'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'far as i'm concerned, bible verse 'the son shall not be punished for the sins of the father' vetoes any heavenly claim they have to justification'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'disagree away :-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but they can select whatever lies suits their purposes, like islam is good for population control'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're a bunch of hogs that jesus cast demons into to me'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, going by current trends, if the west continues in its self-flagellation, they might get their industries back in a few decades, when asia starts outsourcing its sweatshops so you can sew cheap shirts for a living...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chances are we'll all be slaves under a global caliphate by that point'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the vast majority of merkins don't want to, and especially don't want their kids, to work in manufacturing...they have control over that'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the whole "go to college" push is to get out of blue collar and into white'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'need to ban white collars'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's not forceably, that's those joe bloggs RUNNING AWAY from manufacturing'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'rich countries are considered so because they do higher value work than crap manufacturing...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'when we don't want to do that kind of work, those jobs leave'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here it has more to do with "unions are preventing us modernising our manufacturing, let's move it to another country where the cost of labour is 1/20th'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'of course it's accelerated by the economy of 3rd world pay'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what started it, abe, here at least'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mad panic rush towards a university education was a Labour government of 1995 thing'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'china's already starting to push manufacturing jobs away to other, poorer countries...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the only good thing is that death will unpump all of their hearts and them and their future dreams will be vulgarly disposed of by fate'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as they say, the world will always need ditchdiggers...just most people don't wanna fill the role'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no role here is valued anymore except management, which is why everythign is so fucking shit'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and a huge supply of college grads from these countries means that the "west" needs to boost education simply to maintain its position'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'we'll see if soviet union manages to build robot humans by 2040 though, and how far those'll go'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'anywho, alt time for santa ;-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the us did improve somewhat in the latest TIMSS rankings though!'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you're way behind the times on that one Chemosh.  Robot humans are, conceptually, already here.'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'gasp! A gap in his logs!'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'another irrelevant ranking scheme?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it's test based, so you can't really say it's irrelevant.'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can say that'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, I didn't mean it's physically impossible to say it, of course...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the methodology seems pretty good, anyway.'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what purpose does it serve'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, countries can use the results to assess improvements, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so they're all taking exactly the same tests to exactly the same standards?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and to figure out what might be working, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's some scaling, but the standards are quite uniform...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'although this does mean that the scores aren't relevant for a few countries on the lower end'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'simply because a huge number didn't score better than random guessing'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like dodgy hand-wavey generalist statistics to me. At the very best you might use it as some kind of penis-waving exercise at a country-head level, but that's about it'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'standards change over time, standards even within a given country vary wildly for the same thing, and I have personal experience of that'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, insofar as testing reveals competency, it's relevant...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the people who shape all this standard shit are fat-pigs who inherited their power from fat-pigs who are probably mostly directly descended from the age of jesus being nailed to crosses'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't see any solutions in following them or any totalitarian subversions handed down by them'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty astute observation, chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'my ancestors were taught christianity in concentration camps by charlamagne too'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was jolly nice of her'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't believe in desert gods being other than the spawn of ra affording to go to heaven'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure sure, you can ignore the importance of stuff like trigonometry and stuff if you like, see how far that gets you if you want to be an engineer or something...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they refer to positional number system as heathen cyphers in professional texts'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who needs trig when you have 17 degrees in art/sociology based subjects?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we need less degrees in this country, and someone with half a wit to realise that if you build large amounts of housing on a flood plain, when you get inclement rainy weather, the whole fucking lot is going to be underwater'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, TIMSS measures the important stuff (to the economy), math and science, not the artsy stuff'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or that if you fail to maintain drains, rivers, culverts and dykes, fill all the ditches and pits/ponds in, and concrete over all your countryside then you're going to get flooding and water shortages'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada boggles at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why bother when you can fleece people for billions of dollars from insurance instead? i can fit my car with a snorkel, what the hell do i care?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'but I heard disasters boost gdp'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sounds like the same sort of guys who think that stimulus is a bad idea in a country that owes debt in its own currency!'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stimulus in the form of directly creating infrastructure i'd agree with'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not what is/would happen'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'instead they just gave billions of pounds to globalist bankers who gave it to themselves'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tell me how that helps?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you could also pay teachers more... although that wouldn't be stimulus since that'd be permanent...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'teachers don't require more pay'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they require more freedom'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'err, that sort of thing is not stimulus... not fiscal stimulus anyway.'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'moving lots of money around is monetary stimulus, at best... which is pretty ineffective in a liquidity trap'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let's see, what things did we really badly need that they could've invested money in? The crippling social housing shortage, the rundown water system that causes biannual water shortages, the absent power generation that makes us reliant on russian gas'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you'd need to be handing out lots of money to actual workers (one way or another) for it to work'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Teachers might have more freedom if we decided that school wasn't supposed to be about churning out a mass of uniform non-thinkers who are reflexively obedient consumers :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what is the only thing they proposed spending huge amounts of money on? a high speed rail link between london and birmingham to cut the journey time by 45 minutes'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also, we might need to replace a lot of teachers if we did something like that'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'building more housing often works!'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that has a lot to do with prescriptive teaching, targets, monitorring and box-ticking, tinada'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'cheaper to build housing in a downturn too'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'if people are reasonably close to affording the housing, at least'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, better pay for teachers means better quality in the long run. That tends to help'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'teacher pay is already good here compared to the rest of the country'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'if you are in the US, and your gini index has been ticking upwards since..hm..since about the time when Nixon ditched gold, there is no particular guarantee that it will work'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, a new rail link is better than nothing...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's 40bn that could have solved the housing crisis'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'instead it's just a toy for the elite'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it's not exactly an either/or here!'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it is, because that's what they're doing'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it's all they're doing'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given the choice, i'd rather have had the housing'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'with the kind of unemployment in the uk, you can easily do both'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to make any meaningful work towards solving the underlying problems you'd need the housing, but also need to eradicate payroll taxes and most of the other taxation'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, if teacher quality was higher, you'd have less of the "uniform non-thinker" problem inada's worried about...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that has nothing to do with the teachers'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can assure you of that'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's to do with the prescriptive approach to teaching, box ticking extraordinaires'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, my teachers were pretty good, even with a strict curriculum'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the approach that led to me retaking yr 7 in yr 8 thanks to government mandated curriculums'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's part of a targets and management culture that's crucified productivity and cost control in this country'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'better teachers can teach the stuff you need to know in better ways. If they know how it all fits together, they can do more'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see the socialists in Venezuela are getting all arsey at the possibility of requiring another election if Chavez isn't well enough to take the reigns'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for example, you see students who know how to integrate in particular cases without really understanding what integration is...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if their teachers were good, you'd see less of that'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'just follow the formula'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'see! That's the problem!'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'That's a fault of the beurocracy and governance, not the teacher'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'how is it the fault of the bureaucracy and the govt?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hate to keep repeating myself, but i said that from the start, there's nothing wrong with our teachers, it's the box-ticking micromanagement target-driven culture'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they require you to pass a certain standard test, yes, but the easiest way to pass them in the case of math and science, is to know what you're doing'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'teachers spend more time doing "management" work than they spend teaching'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that's about all you really -need- to know!'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'really, you could get an A in the A-levels for physics/maths easily if you know how it all fits together, rather than cramming all of it'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that qualification is worth 1/2 of what it was 30 years ago'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not our A-levels!'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'brings us back to your ranking scheme again'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'actually, I'm not sure it's still called the A-levels back home, now they use some funny H1/H2/H3 system'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a "Make Your Own Deficit-Reduction Plan" on the Wall Street Journal, and it's total bullshit'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'come to think of it, what do uk people do for their math/phys A-levels these days?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"do"?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you know, schroedinger's equation, stuff like that'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'linear alg, phys/chem labs, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'poor teacher quality may also hold back the system from putting more stuff in, if they can't manage the stuff already being offered'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, that might be great, but the problem isn't the teachers'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and the problem is... what?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'target-driven micromanagement'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh sure, like our teachers don't have to meet targets!'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm describing the problem here, has nothing to do with your teachers'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so what's the problem with target driven micromanagement, as you put it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the teacher spends more time dealing with beurocracy than she does in the classroom, when prescriptive teaching prevents innovative teaching methods and prevents streaming'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was a mistake to get rid of the grammar schools'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it shouldn't matter as long as they hit their targets, right?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh? of course it matters'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as in, they can hit the targets any way they like, right?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i disagree with the premise, these are people we are talking about, not a portfolio of shares'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so better teacher quality should mean that they can hit them by giving students a deep understanding of the subject'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you induct 10 kids in at year 1, the job is the get them to the highest level of education they can personally assume'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'costs alot of money to teach, they have to be heard by a certain limit on the amount of students helping eachother to understand'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the job is not to get them all to an average grade of X'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Egypt have passed their sharia law consitution, which essentially prevents democracy from ever taking formal root there'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, equipping them with a strong understanding of the subject (for math/science) will achieve both goals...'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, and the whore in dragons is priesthooding the watergate circumcisions for the seabeast prophets'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'big mystical deal, i feel like god's real and all with all of the man-made prophecy's unfolding'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'can tell a thing of god though i figure, but how positive it is'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like salvation, that's not dragin you to hell, that's what releases you from it - and is a positive thing'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'when was it decided that a brain surgeon who excelled in a nation where the average salary is eaten by flies is the best man for the job in your place?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'amazing logic they use, save on education expenses and things like that'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'survival of the most cancerous'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zaane O
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zaane  :0
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they want to play meathooks, they could at least make it a free for all - right?'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not even evil can get ahead in this world'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what kind of thoughts do enforcers of their will need?  the less the better, otherwise they're a liability that needs to be replaced with automated dodaam gun turrets'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'thoughtlessnesss is evolution'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'after you find something they want in your science mind they are done with you, the only guarantee of sanctuary you have is in your immediate time-span of service, and even then it's cut short once in awhile'
T3/r7/2012-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'after you're gone they don't have to keep their words, your master sees you as nothing more than a temporary asset'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would love to see a 2% social security tax on all capital gains.'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If the atlantic gray whale and the pacific ones are the same whale....how come the pacific ones have not yet explored and moved into the atlantic ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the atlantic gray whale was hunted to extinction.'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a 37,000 year old fossil of a gray whale was found off the coast of Georgia.'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If that whacko l ron hubbard can make a religion/cult, I should be able to do it also....'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, new shale natgas fields are being discovered in Michigan.....'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I want a dog for christmas, charlie brown!'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you hear that someone's trying to figure out how to download guns from the internet so that they're undetectable?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'making weapons conventionally undetectable is not that hard'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, but wouldn't conventionally-made guns still set off detectors?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'detectors of what?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'bullets aren't made from ferrous metals'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'and a gun can be made from plastic, so...'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'As of June 2012, China owns $1.164 trillion in U.S. debt. China now owns 25% of the total of $5.292 trillion held by foreign countries. The rest of the $14 trillion debt is owed by either the American people, or by the U.S. government to itself.'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'China will never attack the US.'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'anybody hear if the alabama rapist prison guards got any jail time for raping every female prisoner or not?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yes, dissing the sacred rapists and human smugglers in denmark and other places is a crime in itself like a gulag death camp '
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i understand why people're scared of a bunch of meaty hostiles'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Louis Shapiro, Executive Secretary of old CPA (briefly, late 1920) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_USA#Top_party_leaders i wonder how many powerful people you could trace back to communism'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess relation doesn't mean you're a communist, or even immigration from east germany or first or second generation USSR'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but, cold war ended and they seen the error of their ways and all so i guess it's ok'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''the president has to be born in usa' but others can come from the cold war states no problem'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'born in frankfurt = born in stasi germany east germany, where 1 in 4 people was either a secret police or else an informant '
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i found it odd anyways, looking up various people their origins and histories, seeing what kind of a non-communist exists in the world to be a serious question'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all this perversion in the world etc, must have roots in world war 2 or so'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cause people still had some respect before then, in most places'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so why was there only ever 2 nuclear weapons/atomic weapons used in war?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'isn't it a quicker way to get things done?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Portgaze: 'planet desposition'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Portgaze: 'miss sorry'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '1)that's all the testicle-shrivelling material they had available, 2)that was all that was needed to end the war.'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'have you noticed they don't care about the planet much?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a lot of grampas and great-uncles wouldn't have gained said titles if we had to get involved in a land war with Japan.'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you don't betray people cause you love them with excuse of living in a concentration camp is better than not living at all, imo - without explaining to them the transaction like jesus discussing with the future of jesus'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or judas*'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, so why did they not use them on the middle east?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see even the police they train kill them'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'because having seen what our very first attempts were capable of, and then having time to develop 20th generation stuff, we're too scared to actually follow through with using them.'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not so much because of what we know they're capable of doing to our enemies, so much as knowing similar consequences will come raining down on us as well.'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, but see the end of this stand-off looks like either you'll abide to be the slave of the consequences or else you'll resist them'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think getting things over with is always a better way to do things than living in concentration camps'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like what're they saying now in russia to have 3 babies each, so in about 20 years they probably plan on utilizing them somehow'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just need to be sneaky to get rid of that slavery fear don't you?  letting er rip all at once on all the map, 2 per target maybe, 4'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who has the spear of destiny?  they say on constantine they own the world'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'A preemptive war is a war that is commenced in an attempt to repel or defeat a perceived offensive or invasion, or to gain a strategic advantage in an impending (allegedly unavoidable) war before that threat materializes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preemptive_war'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'almost wonder what they're defending, since family values aren't present in the birth machine and slavery is the only universal country'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'bunch of warbastards all around'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20838547 christmas is now a celebration of the birth of palestine, who is jesus apparently'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Earlier on Monday, Latin Patriarch Fouad Twal said this Christmas would be a celebration of "the birth of Christ our lord and the birth of the state of Palestine".'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's alright i guess'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but what about all the pedo priests ?  how does jesus attract so many hideous people into his earthly message?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'heh, the percentage isn't really higher than in the general population, but the coverup was higher and also the sense of betrayal'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see that religion is getting involved in politics though'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'dalai lama has his reasons to get involved, cause his country was usurped by china'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'others just want to get on in there and guide events into some kind of a peace?  hmm, if common sense can't produce peace, how would religion?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'common sense might work most of the time, but (ignoring the question of how rare 'common sense' is,) it doesn't seem able to beat basic human nature (stupid-selfish-shortsighted)'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, most of the world is meatheads bent on the way they're programmed by society to behave, but that's a larger failure than self-made meatheads imo'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'religion can produce intellectual meatheads, metaphysical tyrants etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people've been feeding on people's thoughts of forever in religious cults since ancient egypt at least'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the story of job's interesting though, because in it they're debating whether or not god could exist, and it seems like they haven't seen any word of god angels by that time'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think the story of bel and the dragon puts religion into best perspective in it's common application these days, where the king was undeceived by the messenger and whacked those phony priests'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it was in babylon too, interesting, that's the evil place in book of revelation'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'babylon the whore etc, the king of babylon was misled by the false-gods of the priests, and once he realized that's not very right he got angry and destroyed them - in book of revelation, babylon the whore sits on the shoulders of the beast and is destined to obliteration for her whorecrafts - but in bel and the dragon the king didn't seem to want to believe in lies, so it's questionable what kind of a whore witch babylon is - and what kind of priests and religions walk the earth today'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's sure demonized though, out-of bounds but maybe it's because they were revealed for what they are, while preaching that their revealer was the real enemy'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'does it seem pretty legitimate that just about everybody had christianity replace their own sovereignty and things like that in concentration camps, and somehow they're connected to it as some heavenly message?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'other desert gods do the same'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's like thanking the enemies of your ancestors for enslaving your future'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'forever'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it's utterly offensive and wouldn't expect god to be that way'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'reconciled to god whatever they call it, in their re-education facilities in the sky'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think god's best learned without any human guidance'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_22 'catch 22'  people deemed politically unreliable (such as South Korean prisoners of war, Christians, returnees from Japan)'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'a lifelong concentration camp'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and google' interviews north korean concentration camp people in tech talks, interesting, instant billionairres etc, be on the lookout for future concentration camp normalizations, wouldn't want that now would we?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms4NIB6xroc BORN AND RAISED IN A CONCENTRATION CAMP  Google Tech Talks May, 12 2008'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so , at least they see what goes on a little bit, keeping an eye out from it's application in noncommunists'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they keep their words, whoever has the most money is the most useful to their supervising officers'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's kind of funny how communists consistently resemble the crimes associated with nazi germany, but still only nazi's are demonized'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'isn't it?  who's the commy-enabler and sympathy liberals for people like that'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sort of like islam's an ok religion and those who say otherwise are blasphemers , even if they're pointing out various crimes against humanity on a consistent basis - where's your liberal sympathy?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'to be fair, i seen that there are books written which make distinctions between those kind, and the other kind'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'apologists whatever they are'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what kind of gain do they get for apologizing for the obvious crimes being committed?  is it sort of like the ku klux klan wasn't universally demonized for what they done?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'where was their apologists and liberal sympathizers, for even less crimes than these others?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i see them as enablers anyways, subversive enemies of the future sort of, allowing the enemy to replace whatever safety there was'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they get some merit points with the new masters for their hard work of leading people to their slavery'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sort of like if you donate to charity, is it guaranteed to reach your good intentions?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or to church, how come there was so many shady articles revealed about how they spend your god-money'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i was just trying to do some good, it's not my fault it went into every crime you can imagine'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'look at the crowd in a wwe match for instance, one time an iraqi wrestler asked the crowd why they're attacking his people, and he got booed off the stage unilaterally with no explaination required, sort of like how apologists and enablers exploit in society'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he wasn't entitled to his own ignorant inquiry, and they hated him for having one'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot  is a pejorative term for people perceived as propagandists for a cause whose goals they do not understand, and who are used cynically by the leaders of the cause.'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see how many of those you can spot on the media machine or in your local community'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or on here'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's incredible really, if i was running an intelligence agency i would investigate who they're working for and what kind of things aren't allowed to be useful idioted to get a better understanding of what kind of future they're trying to bring about'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen that not very much, actually nothing human, is considered sacred'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'for instance'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'subdivisions and things like that though, that's alright'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i could be a useful idiot too, but that's because i don't know enough yet'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't take one-sided absolute stances on anything when i see there's more to the story than i know'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'other side being not satan itself kind of thing'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'is is circumcision mutiliation?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'talked to a person who claimed they're going on a missionary trip to north korea awhile back on a chat program, i wonder when their new prisoner arrived'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as a christian on yahoo they said they're doing that, a little while before the mysterious closing'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'according to what i read in the bible it doesn't seem very significant for a relationship with god'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the first circumcision was done by moses wife on his son so that god didn't kill moses'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'jesus in the new testament distinguishes between the pact of flesh and the pact with god'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but it does has some medical applications when infection and stuff happens'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'so what. the creation of men went a little wrong and now we have to fix every penis ourselves?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or pact of faith rather, what i remember from the new testament'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I have a hard time believing the "medical research"'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'you just have to wash it every week and its ok'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i wondered about the medical research myself - but probably in some circumstances it's there'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, it's pretty doubtful that god would require people to mutilate penis's to preserve their relationship with the creator'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in some demon worship they might like something like that though, blood sacrifices and things like that'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if there ever was a real demons'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'to the ladies out there:  are you freaked out by circumcised dicks?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is there a reason why the military isn't ever used to destroy terrorist gangs in the borders where police are held hostage by family members vulnerability?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i have a hard time seeing how tough those men are with a few tanks blowing their strength to shreds'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sometimes the 'faggin it up' gangs are stronger than the law, and military is to defend it's country from people who want to install their own laws'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so i like to wonder sometimes why these gangs get away with so much, who's their strength'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nobody has any idea how come plaecs where the law is powerless against the pig-fucking enemy gang's the military isn't used?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is it a civili issue when the law's being replaced, or something more?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'go on with the where's the ku klux klan enablers nazi sympathizer laws to the contrary arguements, what about these other ones?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it wasn't all of them, 'the only good nazi is a dead nazi' - wut?  '
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they were people too, just not as much as people of these other bleeding heart institutions'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like the catholics, the muslims, the communists, the black nationalists, etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but only worry about evil nazi's and ku klux klans, cause these others do charity runs and good things where the nazi's just put people in death camps and represented forced labour like they do in communist countries today'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're just some communists are like that, like the treatment of infidels in foreign lands'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's not all of them, the rest of them are just misguided, it's individualism that's their problem, trust in us'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ok then, but that arguement doesn't work well with nazi's, however misguided neonazi's are, or ku klux klans, however isolated their crimes were'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're all evil vile satans of the demon church according to the will of hell written in our bible of liberal lord'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but these others you can see their ongoing crimes for the last centuries and still seem them manifestedly today, but they're not as vile as the nazi's no'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see they're mostly nice people, just once in awhile bad things happen, it's like a cop executing people in the subway cause of work related stress '
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they just snap once in awhile, cause the world is so liberal towards their propagation'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'are you justifying cops shooting people?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's more complex than that, i'm reasoning out acceptance of known-criminal organizations of antihumanity selfishness, in light of the stigmatization against nazi and ku klux klan - enablers and sympathizers'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and seeing why that is, but that isn't - it's very hypocritical and 'neo-liberal' neverminding 'neo-nazi''
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you can find just as many, and more crimes associated with the people who you can openly apologize for/enable/sympathize - ongoing today and throughout history and the forseeable future, than you can attribute to the nazi's or ku klux klan'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but somehow their entire existance is universally hated together, while those of greater crimes go on being justified by the same people who hate them'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's unacceptable and a source of hatred'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/the-unacceptable-face-of-multiculturalism/story-e6frg76f-1226475181053 an interesting article'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The question is whether they are an aberration or whether, like so many European societies, they are a trend that will increase as our Muslim population grows.'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '... interesting question, this is where sympathizers/enablers/useful idiots replace rationality'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/the-unacceptable-face-of-multiculturalism/story-e6frg76f-1226475181053'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'using that 'neo-liberalism' , basicallyt otal ignorance based solely on emotions and delusions of peace, even when faced with contrary evidence innumerable'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there is books out there written by people on differences they observed among muslims though, http://www.hinduism.co.za/islam.htm like that's one i read through, not very promising except in some radical speculation, but there's other books i looked over reviews on the subject'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The term useful innocents also appears in a Readers Digest article (1946) titled "Yugoslavia's Tragic Lesson to the World", an excerpt from a, at the time, forthcoming book (no title printed) authored by Bogdan Raditsa (Bogdan Radica), a "high ranking official of the Yugoslav Government". Raditsa says: "In the Serbo-Croat language the communists have a phrase for true democrats who consent to collaborate with them for 'democracy.' It is Koristne Budale, or Useful Innocents.".[10] Although Raditsa translates the phrase as "Useful Innocents", the word budala (plural: budale) actually translates as "fool" and synonyms thereof.'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'here's a way that the person refuses to take a solid stance on the subject, and still fans the speculation of the reader'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'There can be no doubt that the overwhelming majority of Muslims in Australia are law abiding, peaceful citizens. But the minority who are attracted to Islamist extremism in thought, word and deed is too sizeable for Australians to be comfortable with. Most of the people at the demonstrations probably wanted to protest peacefully. But whichever way you look at it, there are several disturbing features of the demonstrations, beyond just their violence.  http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/the-unacceptable-face-of-multiculturalism/story-e6frg76f-1226475181053'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'here's a question they don't ask in the article though:  how come the majority of muslims don't identify , reveal and remove those terrorists among themselves?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'too touchy of a subject for people to discuss i guess'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sort of like the reverence we hold nazi's in high respect today through'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cowards or whatever they are, i'm not sure but they sure are hypocritical in who they judge'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'dude... what are you ramblin on about?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'are you drunk?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'really, you can't see what i'm discussing?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's incredible, you must be a liberal'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The non-discriminatory principle in our immigration is sacred, and rightly so. But it is not unreasonable for Australians to ask whether they are importing a population disproportionately prone to extremism.'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/the-unacceptable-face-of-multiculturalism/story-e6frg76f-1226475181053'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i agree there'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what about you, liberal?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'im not liberal'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i have liberal social views, and conservative economic views'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but you have no concise argument or idea, you're just rambling in any ole direction'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you have quite the vernacular, but i dont see a single shred of anything worth commenting on'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i showed alot of concise idea's, 'no particular direction', that's how the crowd is controlled by giving it direction, which direction to take based on the speculation is what i'm most interested in, so you see the material to consider and the common sense not hindered by money which would be a logical solution, combined with a question of loyalty'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'becausei 'm not led by them you think that's funny, i found alot of things that nobody else seems to have, pieced them together in various ways and tried to deliberate a meaning from it, etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what kind of depth does 'burn the witch' have to you?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you like that kind of discussion more i guess, take your shred and lets get it over with'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why wouldn't you comment on something in more depth, like speculation on the nature of a certain demographic and how to differentiate between friend and foe?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'find that not worth commenting on for some weird reason, easier to 'burn the witch' or whatever you are, thinking it's a drunken thing to discuss, while they smash the beerstein against the man's head for preventing a woman being raped'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cause they were 'burning the witch' and had alot of insight into their professional judgement'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'are you trying to qualify for mensa dude? my intelligence level is very high, and i have great comprehension but you're sentences lack the necessary brevity in order to warrant an intelligible response from the reader'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'your'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think mensa's mostly an anti-intellectual organization, which combat's public awareness on their behalf, like most think-tanks'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i see something i find questionable, opinions being sold etc in the media, i look for reasons , answers , input from places i know are frequented by people who probably know or have some authority in the world '
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you're a buzz kill'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'only if you can capture me alive'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Something that spoils or ruins an otherwise enjoyable event, esp. when in relation to ruining a drunken or drug-induced high.'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i was thinking of saw's hah, i see what you mean now, i'm a party pooper because we're being showered by liberal candies as mentioned in 'how to brainwash a nation' and we don't want our sugar teeth pulled'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't mean no harm though, i find south park cartoons more offensive than me, or various forms of entertainment people actually do in aday'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'nothing is offensive'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'people are too sensitive'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'people are animals'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'curse words are only curse words because we say they are'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'too sensitive is one thing, having some sense of right and wrong is another - when it's crossed too consistently people can develop hostility'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i never was addicted to saying 'fuck' shit bitch or anything like that, but i get offended whenever somebody does for some odd reason'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they sound almost phony to me'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'll say it once in awhile but, it's not a habit of mine'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'people who are offended by cursing have no people skills, or street smarts'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe it's good thing not to have any people skills or street smarts'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you see your worldy possessions under the kingdom of the enemy as reason enough to maintain ignorance and subservience, i see strings attatched to every stage of getting where you are, and no freedom offered by acheiving it'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's all corrupt to my fantasy mind, i don't like it very much - maintaining the minimal until the end's all i really care about'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'minimal strings etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i was born with a certain amount of them attatched, like umbellical except man-made, i don't like the people who i'd have to work with to become rich here or even satisfied fleshly, which are hollow satisfactions after they're completed, feeling filthy - security and tolerance etc, i just don't like it very much'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'we're just different kinds of people, you accept what you force yourself to not hate, or are naturally desirable of, i had too much time to think and obey the un-natural feeling of corruption which repels me from it'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The issue will be decided at a UN wildlife conservation meeting in Thailand in March 2013.  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-20798136 excellent place, isn't that some kind of a world war 2 whorehouse since forever?  or is that just how the media economically satisfies it's religion to the public?'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what better place to discuss animal rights than in a place with little to no human rights?  makes perfect sense'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''act of desperation' and 'exploitation of the desperate' missing from every lawbook on earth'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'except for some verses in the bible can be seen to reflect that sentiment'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'to you know where with the bible'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '2 Peter 2:3 They will exploit you in their greed with deceptive words. Their condemnation, pronounced long ago, is not idle, and their destruction does not sleep. '
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Proverbs 22:22 Do not exploit the poor because they are poor and do not crush the needy in court,'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'to hell?  well, i think this world's evolving into a fine example of hell itself'
T3/r7/2012-12-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but, people hold passionate beliefs that hell is even worse than here'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Over a one-year period during 2011 and 2012, some 6 million gallons of maple syrup about $18 million worth was stolen from the strategic maple syrup reserve controlled by the Federation of Quebec Maple Syrup Producers (FPAQ).  Perhaps they should build a Fort Knox.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We should harvest human fat to make biodiesel.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Who is John Gault ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'an egomaniac, a rapist, kidnapper and subversive :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oops, the rapist was Roark :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/25/new-york-newspaper-faces-backlash-after-publishing-map-gun-permit-holders/ that doesn't seem right does it?  i think it's the case that most gun-related crimes are done by a stolen weapon or a weapon with the serial numbers removed from it - so what're they trying to acheive with that?  if they were really as volatile as they claim then they would be afraid of them, like they are about muslims and discussing their international crimes, wouldn't they?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what did they publish exactly?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the names and addresses of all registered gun owners in a community'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good way to get people shot'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and probably illegal'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The Philippine government and Muslim rebels have agreed to a preliminary peace deal for the country's troubled south, President Benigno Aquino has announced, signalling an end to a 40-year conflict that has killed more than 100,000 people and crippled the region's economy. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-pacific/2012/10/201210753819914971.html like that, they come from the desert-god middle east in peace, to divide the country and kill 100,000 unbelievers'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what a brief look at the article tells me about anyways'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'escaping persecution to a more democratic nation, where the laws must be changed for god'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'you hear the US is starting to send troops into Africa?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'started ages ago'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just not publicised'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i talked to somebody from dejabutti or something like that, they were an aid worker i met on the internet'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they said they had a military base over there, that's sort of in africa - few years ago'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'America participating in their long standing tradition of "fucking the world up"'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'agreed, but now, since they are publicizing it, it seems as if we are about to hear some heart-wrentching stuff to get the US people on the side of sending more and more troops (money) into Africa... it never ends...'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course they don't want it to end'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and all the time the people back home are being trained to be the victims, and are being squeezed for their resources'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'little by little'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like a frog being cooked in a pot'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would appear that you require a Congress with a spine that will actually do their job'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'In my opinion, there are just things in thie world that require time to fix. America needs to step back, consolidate, and let the world rearrange over time, instead of trying to force it which is undoubtedly drawing flak. '
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how many christians do you think would stick with their prince of peace church if it was going around and slaughtering people like that?  or would they see it as an ungodly thing and weigh human life versus lord?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not trying to fix it, z'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know about that, i suspect alot of the non-evil muslims are held there by fear and don't uproot their own evil for the same reason'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'Well, they want to get at the resources and it is easier to do that if the workers were not in constant fear'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'imperialism worked so well in the past'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Chemosh, the "bad" muslims have been sided with by the US and the West, the "good" muslims were demonised by the West and are now the shrinking allies of the Ruskies'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i don't agree with that if that's what the US is doing, but i'm more interested in quality people than utilizing their destroyers'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well the US are siding with an extremely unethical, authoritarian sect of sunnhi's that want to keep women as slaves and rule the world via a global islamic caliphate'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sounds like the kind of world nobody wants to reproduce into , in hindsight'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'their political wing was borne out of Nazi Germany and was called "The Muslim Brotherhood", their military wing borne out of Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan called "Al Qaeda"'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'I think that time will destroy islam.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'their base is Saudi Arabia, Qatar, now Egypt, Libya'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Syria will soon fall'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will leave Iran as the only viable opposition in the area'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's no coincidence that there has been all this propoganda bullshit against Iran over the last few years'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Zaane, I am confident that Islam won't be destroyed. All you need for a religion to become stronger is to attack it. Islam is under attack, the believers take this personally, that makes the religion stronger.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still not to worry, FBI's own briefings to federal police and counter-terrorism classes teach that constitutionalists, returning veterans, Ron Paul supporters, libertarians are all the most likely potential terrorists'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hmm, an establishment using a goon squad of armed police to round up political dissenters. Where has this happened before? Hmm'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the intelligence agencies are terrorist groups by definition.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'I don't agree... A muslim China Eastern Asia would be impossible'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'indeed they are'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so, why does Islam have to go there?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'China and India'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'most people '
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'perhaps you already know that  have of the Asian subcontinent is Islamic?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'half*'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'less than 2% of china is islamic'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and Islam proliferates in Africa?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what does China have to do with anything? You can say the same thing about the Americas.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's a defeatist perspective, although the parents of some of charles mansons victims oppose the media glorification of the cult leader - if i was in even the church of satan (even they don't admonish homicide) and i seen people being crucified and dismembered and raped for satan's glory by members of my church who didn't really deserve it, i wouldn't be in it anymore - but they do all that and more, according to the propaganda, that's pretty repulsive to anybody who believes in a good god, especially if it's repulsive to somebody who was attracted to an evil god'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'about the same proportion of USA are jewish, yet they pretty much run the place'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'So what is the endgame then... let's say that Islam becomes the world religion in 2063, They will have to change their teachings to equalize the role of women in their society, or it would never work since women are "equal" in most modern society'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'on the unlikely chance that the Islamic republics get crushed by attackers all that will happen is that the religion will go underground. After all, that is what happened to the crusaders.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'why are you saying these things, Zaane? Why does Islam has to become the dominant religion of the world?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'I think that all religion is on the way out. With every new generation there are less believers. '
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not true, zaane'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'it is hypothetical'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'women are not 'equal' in most modern society'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that is true, but hten you don't need millions of believers to have a religion.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'women are equal in most WESTERN society'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'They are not equal, but they are "equal"'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'WESTER society is a minority'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that is bullshit, TIgernuts.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'let's not get snowed by the official declarations.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's bullshit, Anaristos?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all it takes for a religion to become stronger is to attack it, anaristos - but how much weaker is the nazi's since the end of ww2?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you mean that the law sees women as equals, that is true. If you say that they are treated as equals, you are dead wrong.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they were pretty much attacked weren't they?  it's a political ideology, not a religion - but some religions are political ideologies'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you're arguing that women are not equal in western society?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Nazi was not a religion but a nationalistic movement generated by resentment to the humiliation exacted by the allies.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i guess you're right, they're afforded rights and priveledges well beyond men, it's true'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't think they were all pure evil though, kind of a similar situation as is going on today'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'well we'll see in 50 years if religion is still even talked about. Think how much religion has changed even here in America, much more the middle east, since the 50's and 60's... or even the 1900's '
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'don't confuse the Nazi movement itself  to how it was perverted by Hitler.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how has religion changed in the middle-east since the 50s and 60s?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'correct, nazi was a socialist movement perverted to genocide'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if religion dies at all, by attrition, it will take centuries for it to happen.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'I think with the exponential growth of social media, it won't take as long as we think'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you're kidding yourself if you think it will die, and you're also kidding yourself if you think it's a good thing without any qualification or caveat'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'social media cuts both ways'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'only time will tell, and that is my whole point. It is futile and perhaps even stupid to give the Islams an enemy to rally against'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all that has happened is that GOVERNMENT has supplanted religion as lord and master, which it does ... just without any ethical or moral backing'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I certainly think that a belief system is necessary. One needs an infrastructure for rational thought. But if the outcome is going to be rational thought, then the infrastructure must be rational. So religion needs to enter the XXIth century.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'I can agree with that... golden rule'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'but it can't be a rational for persecutionm, as it is now, in all religions '
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and yes, you can ignore the establish religions and just read, Kant, Hume and Locke :) Or Nietzsche :) '
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'few religions persecute'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'I disagree'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'governments persecute far more freely than religion'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'That mey be true, but there is a difference between religion-dominated government and religion separate government'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't see -any- holy crusades going on at the moment, only western allied forcing blowing up brown people with drones'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'don't be seduced by the claims of disestablishmentarianism. Governments are ruled by religion simply because the members of government dont suspend their beliefs when acting in behalf of the people (though they are constitutionally required to do so)..'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you've been programmed by propoganada, zaane'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'Well, we have to do what we can to prevent terrorist attacks'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which terrorist attacks are those?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'Case and point.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I think you will find that govts that are freer from religious (or cultic) influence like mine tend to "persecute" their people less...'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what terrorist attacks? If you believe that there are groups out there bent on terrorism you are being naive. Terrorism are powered by governments. The claims that Iran and Libya back terrorist groups can be made of the US, France, Germany and UK.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'all the terrorist groups in South America are financed by the US.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'Probably true, so what is the answer? Isolationism? '
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sure what case and point you were trying to make, zaane, the fact that there is no real terrorist threat kinds pours water over your religious crusade idea'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Irish terrorism in the UK was funded by the US'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Al-Qaeda was largely crafted and directed by the US'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'My point was think how many terrorist attacks were prevented, that you have not heard of? When you ask "What terrorist attacks" it is confirming that the anti-terrorist forces are working'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, zaane, there was never a big threat, and there certainly wasn't a threat that required the action that was taken'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Al-Queda was indeed supported by the US. The group was formed to counterattack the Soviets in Afghanistan. That is where the Taliban comes from.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the action that was taken to prevent the fake threat caused far more of a threat than there ever was to start with'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and the leader of the Afghani opposition was Osama Bin Laden'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'problem... action... solution...'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'There is a lot of speculation and not a lot of proof regarding the motives and sources of terrorism, not to mention that changes in leadership over time, so it is impossible to discuss with any accuracy'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i disagree with that'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'terrorism is pretty simple'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, terrorism is used to destabilize sitting governments, of course.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'I agree to disagree then'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'Only time will tell.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tell what?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the reason these governments need to be destabilized is because they oppose the terrorist supporters' foreign policy.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anaristos has the nub of it'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: '...what will happen... obviously :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the same tactic used against foreign countries can/and is used against dissenters in your own coutnry'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'what country is mine? '
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't matter what country is yours'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, domestic terrorism is common.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'Whatever keeps the peace and pensions... works for me'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, a sheeple'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'How many bridges have you blown up today tiger? '
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, that's the position of most citizens, the main reason why governments get away with what they get away. Citizen apathy.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless you're over 52, there'll be no pension'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'Did you hack the network to get your internet connection? '
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'or are you paying for it... like the rest of us'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'everyone on aardwolf is a sheeple'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'if you weren't you would not be on aardwolf'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well as a matter of fact, i'm paid to have an internet connection - an artefact of a free market system'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like all lawbooks in the world that i heard of are missing 'act of desperation' and 'exploitation of the desperate' as arguements in court, i expect that alot of the conflict in the world is population control, managed from the top government who keeps a close control over everybody, like your 'intelligent design' terrorist expectation'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'population control if very important, maybe most important'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but there is no need to get angry at me because you have an unrealistic view of the world'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Eugenics is a subject near and dear to politicians :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'Not angry, just the pot calling the kettle black'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll have to explain that one'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: '...Unless you consider the debate channel on Aardwolf your attempt to change the world'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'A sheeple calling a sheeple a sheeple '
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, i forgot. Unless I singlehandedly change the world, my view isn't correct?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'No, but it does not make you not a sheeple, A sheeple is a way of life, not just what you say with your keyboard'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think knowledge/understanding and choice is the main things needed for non-violent population control'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you choose your own views, you justified the opinions you express and the positions you hold'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is no fault of mine. You've had more than a couple of people here giving contrary opinions'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'I can say I am not a sheeple all day long, but if I live like a sheeple, I am a sheeple. That is my only point. And you began it with the ad hominem, I am just correcting you'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'I agree that population control is key'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'you are, of course, entilitled to your opinion as much as everyone else'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you are entitled to stay in the Matrix, I just object to you going around trying to tell people it's real'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'my paycheck and police force and bakery are real, the notion that somehow, all governments and people are corrupt, is inaccurate'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whoever said all governments and people are corrupt?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'Tiger, what are you trying to say? '
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'I need a clarification'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what would you like me to say?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'Merry Christmas!'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Merry Christmas, though technically it's now Boxing Day'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'So, if you could change one thing about the world Tiger, what would it be?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'And it has to be real, not like ," make everyone happy" '
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it's not very likely that society will ever change though, entirely, and that's fine i guess cause it's diversity - but where the origin of corruption comes from, individual choice or government enforcement, that doesn't always have to be enforced by the law - people need something to do, some way to gain a decent amount of sustenance, some mutual understanding of entitlement, etc - the selfish ones rise to the top's what messed it all up i think'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'I personally, would require everyone to only have 2 children. NO MATTER WHO THEY ARE'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'Enforcing that would be tricky... but what isn't?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'Of course its implausible at this stage, but who know is 75 years?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the problem with birth restrictions is that under normal circumstances more women are born than men.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'eh... science will fix that'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right, when governments fight even more important things like t-cell research.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'anybody notice that it seems some nations battle neighbouring nation's exposure to americanism, yet in america itself their communism is promoted by leaders of society?  don't see americanism preached in the head of communism states'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like here: Head of Obamas Jobs Council: State-Run Communism Actually Works http://www.theblaze.com/stories/head-of-obamas-jobs-council-state-run-communism-actually-works/'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i bet somebody in russia or china saying non-communism works wouldn't get very far'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'assuming they're communists like north korea'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's the leader of general electric i think, seen it on fox news and remembered the communists reaction to non-communism anywhere near them'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's all corrupt isn't it?  any attempt at appearing non-corrupt is not the ultimate nature of any government that i seen, but it makes transition under their control easier - while they reveal their true selves afterwards, i seen it in history'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't see why they'd promote sources of those crimes as a suitable alternative to developing something new'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'except that they're already conquered and making the change appear good'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'something most of the west doesn't realize is that the ones who weren't working for the military's of the ones who colonized it who came to it of their own free will were trying to escape 'easternisms' like their religious and political extremism, which they now are influenced by and adopt without resistance instead of fight against because their ancestors hated them'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think so anyways'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'socialism and communism are both easternism, same with desert-gods who were taught to your ancestors in concentration camps before being seen as the saviour, easternisms - native americans can relate to that'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'money itself is defined in the east'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what your life is bought and sold for, easternism money'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'on the american continent is not a single thing that cannot be produced on itself and consumed by it's own citizens for possibly an indefinite time'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'north/south/central'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'instead they choose to be slaved by the enemy across the ocean'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's just one of the things that's fundamentally wrong with the world imo, no explaination for it beyond slavery that i can see'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but i guess western nations were founded by people not satisfied with their own nations more intent on having yours and they continue on their way like ever before - likely all owned and operated by the original colonists and their ancestors, used as proxy to hold theirselves up in the east'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just the majority of them came here to escape the eastern devils and try to start over, eventually finding that they don't even remember why they came'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i fail to see how oil is a concern to them for one thing, as a continent america , along with technology usually ignored and demographic solutions/environmental concerns abolished, would have no shortage for it's own consumption for a long time, in all forms of energy development and resource utilization'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but there they are, most flabberghastedly obsessed'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but instead of the relative ease without abolished effort, they do this other stuff to keep their eastern owners amused'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you think the people in africa don't know that the people in africa are starving?  for instance, how is that your fault for not being born in a nation that starves it's own people to death?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what is the sentient benefit that you extracted from their deaths consciously, which was required for your personal consumer habits?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and then, why should you blame yourself for what they cause to themselves?  on their eastern side?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen on documentary video, there's freshwater lakes the size of texas in africa, and that's alot of consumable water for iirgation and things like that, if they had wanted to defeat starvation themselves instead of living the luxurious life like 50 cent preaching to the ghetto'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you can see that they're resisting solutions happening and still blaming yourself for their problems then you have a common problem with alot of people'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'chances are far higher that the local warlords are resisting them than that the actual people who are starving are resisting them'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, and what sets them up as gods in their land?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'the illiteracy rate in africa is also staggering'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i assume that most people aren't their own masters too, i understand that'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'more guns.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'repressing education is the sure-fire way to remain a master'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'africa is a shithole'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'hey majic'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yeah?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'remember that time you hooked up with an aardwolf player'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yeah?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'what was his name?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'oh, i just wanted to know if portgaze was your son, but i guess that didn't go anywhere'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '...huh? '
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'never mind :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Portgaze: 'ha funny kojiro. magic isnt my father but very funny'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'given that I lack testes, I will never be anyone's father :p'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how does a good-lookin' gal like you lack testes?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Portgaze: 'or mother..'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'majic you have a typo in your description'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I tend to use British spellings for some words without thinking about it, and by that, it's correct :p'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'assuming you're referring to judgement, as I don't see another.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'In 2005, he signed an open letter to Ukrainian leaders, including President Yushchenko, calling for the government to halt the "criminal activities" of "organised Jewry", which, the letter said, was spreading its influence in the country through conspiratorial organisations as the Anti-Defamation League - and which ultimately wanted to commit "genocide" against the Ukrainian people. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20824693'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'reassured voters that Svoboda is not racist, xenophobic or anti-Semitic - just pro-Ukrainian. "We are not against anyone, we are for ourselves," he said.'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'In 2004, Tyahnybok was kicked out of former President Viktor Yushchenko's parliamentary faction for a speech calling for Ukrainians to fight against a "Muscovite-Jewish mafia" - using two highly insulting words to describe Russians and Jews - and emphasising that Ukrainians had in the past fought this threat with arms. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20824693'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that goes back a long time, it's understandable if they feel theirselves threatened to look for reasons, i think it's alright that ukrainians want their own identity and at least try to retain some of their independence that they feel threatened, useful for dialogue on why not at least, isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i think anyways, easier to appeal to people's emotions though, often - against conflicting beliefs'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness is a term which denotes language, ideas, policies, and behavior seen as seeking to minimize social and institutional offense in occupational, gender, racial, cultural, sexual orientation, certain other religions, beliefs or ideologies, disability, and age-related contexts, and, as purported by the term, doing so to an excessive extent. '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '++ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion  is a logical fallacy which uses the manipulation of the recipient's emotions, rather than valid logic, to win an argument. The appeal to emotion fallacy uses emotions as the basis of an argument's position without factual evidence that logically supports the major ideas endorsed by the elicitor of the argument.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see any correllary sports?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'here comes the law ~ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear  is an emotion induced by a perceived threat that causes animals to move quickly away from the location of the perceived threat, and sometimes hide. It is a basic survival mechanism occurring in response to a specific stimulus, such as pain or the threat of danger. '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terror is a policy of political repression and violence intended to subdue political opposition. The term was first used for the Reign of Terror imposed by the Jacobins during the French Revolution.[2][3] Modern instances of terror include red terror or white terror.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is it the government? ++ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terror_management_theory in social psychology, states that human behavior is mostly motivated by an unconscious fear of mortality. According to TMT theorists, symbols that create cultural worldviews are protected as representations of continuity. The terror management theory posits that when people are reminded of their own deaths, they more readily enforce these symbols.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'There are soooo many views, soo many ideas, i just dont understand the idea that my ideas are wrong, simply bc a book tells me so...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that book was written by humans'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'Written by humans, inspired by God'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'Big difference'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'ok, so drug addicts, who claim to be in connection with god, who write books and poems and music... they're wrong?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i am inspired by my god everyday'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'by the world around, the beautiful world my god has laid forth for me to inhabit'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'by the world around me...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'yeah something you have to accept on this mud is that it is run by christians'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'The difference was that those people experienced a life WITH God, like physically'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'eg : daily prayer'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'During the period when Jesus was on Earth'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'how do you know that was the case? Tolkien created such a vast universe, why is that not within the imagination of people back then?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'How often did god speak to any of the writers of the book, and how often was it a messenger of god and not god himself? An angel isn't infallible, as lucifer is testament.. and the minds of men are easily able to warp further between hearing the "word" and scribing it down (usually far after the fact)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'There are things that we cannot comprehend and things that we won't understand'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'unless god physically dictated this to the author, there is no way to conclude that their thoughts were completely those of their god'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'You can always ask, why did God put that tree in the garden of Eden?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'Why can't God just kill Satan?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'why is their a god?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'why do we have to have one?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Even if God dictated it to the author... there is no way to conclude anything either :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'Why is there anything? What is the meaning of life if there is an afterlife?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'You always have to trust that some guy writing a book wasn't lying.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'why cant science prevail? bc there is something in everyone, that would like to believe that there is something beyond their own mortality'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'everyone would like to believe that there is something higher than themselves'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'everyone wants to live beyond their own mortality'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'Ok ok, slow down on the questions lol'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'believing that you will beyond your own physical vessel is such a wonderful thought'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'sorry, my fingers are going crazy lol'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'Like you said, there is something in everyone that wants to believe in something beyond our mortality'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'All of us human beings want love'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'You can get love from people/money/worldly items and all'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'are you saying that humans, as people, are incapable of creating their own thoughts on the after life without the use of the bible?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'does (say) Ivanhoe seriously believe that a (allegedly, supposedly) knowledgeable intelligent deity inspired a crudely-authored Bible with numerous inconsistences, errors, contradictions, and often inept bad advice'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'Could you list the errors?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'What are the inconsistencies?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'the fact that the bible advocates slavery'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'Is there a point to that? It was written by man, it's guaranteed to have at least a few, unless you feel man can know in full the thoughts and desires of god'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'to attribute the (crudely authored) Bible to an actual "God" is blasphemous (in retrospect)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'for one'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'Advocates meaning allow?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'Use simpler english please =('
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'more than "at least a few"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'sorry lol'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'IvanHoe, accpeting a religion is the idea of simply accepting an idea...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''moved by the spirit' is what is an arguement about the mind of man distorting the words of prophecy etc, as though they were temporarily possessed by a guide who moved their pen'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'do your ideas not change? do you not grow mroe and more everyday?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'I said earlier that for Christianity, as much as people think it's a religion, it's actually just a relationship with God'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'chemosh actually offering something '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'lol'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but it is a religion'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'Because people make it out to be a religion, some even call it a cult'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'christianity is religious term, it cannot be classified in any other way'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you are attempting to manipulate christianity in your favor with that very statement'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: '(like i said i was once christian, so this is just friendly as can be)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'except that the very definition of a religion is just that.. a close relationship with a superior being'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'yet again Snowolf... offbase'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'When someone is a Christian, it means that he has a relationship with God. Not his religion is Christianity'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'That is my opinion on what being a Christian is'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'christianity is associating with an idea'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'Ivan is saying it's not a religion because it's a relationship with god. I'm simply saying that in the one sentence he proves himself wrong. I'm sorry I don't type as fast as you Quelz and you went on several lines and thoughts before I finished typing :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'if one believes in god, but does not believe in the bible, they are not christian... and i am most definitely now'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'im an ahole Snowolf... i make waves lol'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'most definitely not..'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'I've noticed, and I find it entertaining :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'I'm really bad at argueing and all, so I'm really not the best person to be talking these stuff due to my lack of knowledge'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'an alternative view to the "deity inspiration" alleged to the Bible, is the fact that the Christian Bible, when examined piece by piece, is often a plagiarism of prior pagan mythologies -- and that near totally discredits the claim that the christian Bible was inspired by a christian god -- instead, the christian Bible was inspired by paganism!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'thats what drives as humans, the quest for knowledge IvanHoe... and that's what we are doing'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'we are sharing out vast knowledge as humans'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'As much as I want to stand up for my God, I don't know how to counter your arguements'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'Such as that whole bunch of stuff Zela just said'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Ok IvanHoe... if you really want my #1 source for discrediting christianity'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'Ahh, but Ivan, as long as you are certain in your beliefs, and are willing to state them openly as you have, then you've done well by your god (from what I understand).'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'watch the movie Zeitgeist... it is free on the internet, and offers the strongest argument against christianity you will ever find'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'it argues every point Zela is offering'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'I mean, Even Muslims believe Jesus exist'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'or research osiris myth'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'jews dont, but jesus was a jew... explain that? lol'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'There are things that can't be explained like I said earlier, for example, Why did God put the Tree of Knowledge in the garden?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz is most sufficiently intoxicated, thanks to his friend Jack Daniel
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'If God is all-knowing and knew that would happen, he could have not added it in'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'He wanted it to happen.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'But, just because the bible can be linked to plagiarism of pagan beliefs, doesn't discredit the teachings, just the source.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'IvanHoe, i love your conviction... it offers some sort of faith in humanity'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'Maybe, but nobody would know'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but what makes you believe god put a tree in this place?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that this place every actually existed?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'if you can't argue for your ideas, maybe your ideas are wrong'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'Because he created all things'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The Donkey is the only perfect animal.....'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'It's the fact that we humans can't believe something that you can't see'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rizgoth is acting like a donkey in the room.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's allegorical anyway'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you know pretty much every other major religious book offers a very similar theory?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'That makes it really hard to explain or convince people'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'EXACTLY!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'Like, how do you explain gravity? I mean we all know it's there but can't see it'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'it's pretty well known that even theolgian accept genesis is allegorical'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'Ahh, well, gravity can be explained..'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'But why is there even Gravity?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'IvanHoe... science and religion are very different'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'How come Earth is the only liveable planet with Oxygen?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'for humans at least'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'we dont know that'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, yeah, but evangelicals insist that genesis has to be taken literally'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'do you know how many universes are discovered daily?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'why do you expect oher people to believe you if you can even explain yourself ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'We know that too..'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'I don't need you to believe me'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'It's your choice'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'actually, i think the stoning your neighbor for working on a sunday was meant to be taken literally'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'but you express that you want us to believe you but are bad at expressing yourself'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'IvanHoe... one question, this is a yes or no question, no maybes... Are there not enough ideas on this subject to make you even slightly question your beliefs?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'Dagnir, only if it was him working with powertools at 6 am on Sunday >>'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'Nope, nothing will waver my belief'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'and that in itself has proven our argument'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'lol it's people like ivanhoe that start wars'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i don't think so, xiu'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'Well, he's not willing to fight for his beliefs, he's simply willing to shrug off that others feel differently and closed his mind. His type don't start the wars..'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'he has ideas he can't justifiy, and nobody can convince him otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you have proven your point IvanHoe... your unwillingness to accept the introduction of new conceptions and ideas has solidified your place... humans most constantly seek growth'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'people made me question my Christianity'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'hearing new ideas lead me to believe myself in the way i do now'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'It's just an experience that I had that made me believe'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'Question, everything. Because anything you've been taught, or you've learned on your own, may be wrong, and how would you ever know if you don't explore it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'thinking your ideas have solidified, despite the fact that you are still living, proves that you have given up your right as a human'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'if you desire to research whether Christianity is able to withstand atheistic scrutiny, you likely require to debate against and or with decent atheists in (say) an IRC scripture channel with a Bible-scripture-bot, (where decent nonchristians are not kicked) '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'just because you can't explain something does mean it's supernatural'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'totally Xiu lol'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'it might mean you are ignorant'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Feral Pup Snowolf nods at Xiucozcatl.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'I probably am'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'You can criticise me, I'm cool with it'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'Or that humanity as a whole is ignorant because they've not discovered the truth behind it..'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'admitting ignorance is admitting you're wrong'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'If you say so Quelz'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'we are criticizing your decisions in closing off your contiuation of accepting new ideas'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it takes faith to believe in what we think of ancient paganism as well, and how it inspired christianity - since we can't travel back in time and verify everything ourselves'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'there is also a certain kind of person who takes ignorance as an insult rather that an opportunity to learn'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'we are not criticizing your faith'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'I'm open to hearing new ideas, just not changing my belief'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'Simple as that, that is my conviction'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'That isn't a criticism, that's an observation Ivan. If you don't know why or how something happened, I could say it's magic, you could say it's god, and which of us is right? Both or neither?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'threin lies the problem'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'IvanHoe... you must leave your mind open... you must!  closing it off, is causing so much more harm than good as a human'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'The problem is I'm not learned enough to argue with all of you'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'I've only been a Christian for 2 years'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that's why you must maintain an open mind IvanHoe'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'so go learn'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'What were you before that Ivan, if I may'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that's why you must constantly seek out information on subjects you do not understand'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'I didn't believe in anything'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'Freethinker'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think people mean more to God than a story though, like the first humans must have had some other way of transversing their knowledge of God beyond reading from a book'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'so why christianity ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'It's probably cause I've been exposed to it the most'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'why not worship cthulhu?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'Never even heard of that'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'religion by default?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xiucozcatl spits in utter disgust!
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'aha Ivan'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you jsut said it Ivan'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'My parents were buddhist'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that is the only thing youve been exposed to'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'I had muslim friends'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'so you must understand that there are many more options of exploration'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i actually agree more with buddhism than any other religion'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'karma is my religion'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'Christianity was the one that reached out to me the most'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'I started attending church, bit by bit'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'do you also believe in reverse karma, quelz?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'or was the one most available to you'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'so Ivanhoe, which do you want more: "truth" or "happy delusion with doubts"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'I attended it for the wrong reasons, for friends and fun'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'oh hell yeah Dagnir'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'I strayed away from church a few years'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'like, when you kick someone in the nuts, they had it coming because they did something bad'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'church is the worst part of christianity'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'I can't imagine going to church for friends or fun.. that's the bar LOL'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'It's just that, after some circumstances'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'church is a popularity contest... "let me dress well, do all the after church activities, help the kids, then i am doing well"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'I seemed really lost and alone'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'and someone invited me to church'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'we all feel that way IvanHoe'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'EVERYONE'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'church is about society, not religon'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'church offers understanding within a group setting'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that's because y'all don't have jesus in your heart, quelz :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'and it just touched me, and I know that God was always there for me even when I rebelled against him'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'if you have people who understand similar ideas, than you will feel more accepted'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'and that's why I believe there is a God, even if I don't have any evidences or facts to argue witha ll of you'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i believe in god'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i love god'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'he makes me breathe, think, live...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'you felt down, and a bunch of cheerfull people accepted you into thier social circle ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Xiu dont do that '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'I guess so Xiucozcatl'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'that church'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clopidogrel: 'haha :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that's a troll statement'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'I'm out of here, I don't need any of this =)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clopidogrel: 'no no stay a while pls'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'I'm here to play the game'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'IvanHoe dont leave'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'we are not against you'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clopidogrel: 'I believe in God too for the same reason! :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'thats thats church... social aspect, not religion'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'You are not offering anything outside of your own understanding Xiu...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'I know you're not, but I have nothing to offer other than telling you that believing in Christianity has changed me life'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'That's it'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'he admitted it'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'either way, you'll be sorry when the stars are right and the elder ones awaken and devour us all'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: '... it's pretty easy to see in a lot of born again's'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'OMG, the internet resorts to trolling, every time...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no one gives a flying fuck about anyone as an individual anymore'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'I care IvanHoe'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i give a lot of shits'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'i'm not trolling... it's an obvoius observation'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'I feel sorry for you Xiucozcatl'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'as long as it changed your life in a positive way, then that's a good thing IvanHoe! I think what Quelz really is trying to say is don't assume that there isn't more to it that you could find that might improve your life even more (or improve your relationship with your god while at it)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clopidogrel: 'okay xiu then my turn!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'I feel sorry for myself for not being able to answer most of you too'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'I can only be a living testimony, that's it'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xiucozcatl goes, "Whee!"
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz thanks Snowolf
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'and probably answer certain stuff in the bible, but these questions are just too hard for me'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clopidogrel: 'i believe that a long time ago God created us, then a while later Jesus came down as man and died for our sins and now we're free from sin and will have everlasting life, and everyone can too :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'IvanHoe that is why we are bringing this up, questions are what we live for...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'Don't assume that what is written in the bible is "the word of god" - remember that it is "man's interpertation of the word of god"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'Yeah, but it's too difficult for me to answer, I don't have the answers'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Ivanhoe is going for "happy delusion of touched-by-god" reinforced by other (allegedly) happy (stepford) believers -- that was the blue pill or the red pill or ... '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'my turn Clopidogrel'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'Snowolf, even though man wrote the bible, God inspired them to write it'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'It's like JK Rowling writing Harry Potter and all'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'Or Tolkien inventing the elven language'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'and writing and awesome book'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'How we know God inspired them? No idea'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clopidogrel: 'Zela- what if he isn't like that and you're wrong? :) Or do you read him more deeply than the rest of us can?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you people are unwilling to accept love for another individual, this is the hatred that humans possess.... humans feel the need to belittle everything'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'JKRowlings was inspired by .. Harry Potter ?!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'You can always ask, who then wrote Genesis? since there were no humans on earth before Adam'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'did god inspire h.p. lovecraft?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'Yes, but as you know, humans make mistakes. Because god told you a story, and you spent a lifetime writing it down, or worse, repeating it to their children and grandchildren until it got written down.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'INSPIRED by god does not mean it "is gods word"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'I can go make a statue of christ in my backyard, and I could say it is inspired by god, but that doesn't make it him does it? Just my interperatation of him'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clopidogrel: 'indeed snow people can say the original was inexact, the translation was inexact, and people say interpretation and stuff and this may seem wonky to some'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'IvanHoe, most of these people are assholes... although this is a struggle... I, personally, am attempting to merely offer a different understanding of life, because it is necessary for ideas to be shared'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'I don't know how to answer that, but I just know the the people who wrote the books in NT have had a physicaly relationship with God when he was here on Earth'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'people tells story to explain things they don't understand, like thunder. one day a charismatic Jew of the messene sect preached nice things and got a lot of followers, then his followers went down to the pub and exagerated his stories. then after he died some of his followers started a cult of personality around him.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'physical*'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'The disciples of Jesus'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'we are all disciples of god'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'we were created in god's image'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'therefore we are all disciples'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clopidogrel: 'Xiu that may be a satisfying thought and true because it's so sweeping- but it may not be true in this case yeah? what if you're wrong?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'we were created from shoggoth dna'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'Ivan, did you know that the disciples didn't write the books until decades after christ returned to heaven due to being persecuted? How many people in their old age have foggy memories? How many can retell a story from their youth with PERFECT clarity? Very very few.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'by your interpretation we all share god's idea'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'most of the scriptures were authored long after Jesus Christ was long gone -- the gospels are early 2nd century AD, and Paul never met Jesus'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'So how does the 4 gospels have such similiarity in their accounts of what happened when Jesus was here'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'what if you are wrong'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'While I'm sure that the events that they wrote about where true to their memory, human memory isn't flawless'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'ivan, because these gospels were selected by the church. there are many more'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i hate the fucking internet soo very much'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'even judas and mary have theirs'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clopidogrel: 'Xiu- if I'm wrong nothing happens right since the world isn't a very caring place after all'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'Ahh, but right there, you said similarities, which suggests the events they wrote did happen, but that they were all different for each person who wrote them down, yes?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'mercenary'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) OhSir IvanHoe: 'Man Quelz, if you really wanna know about Christianity, go ask an actual pastor who has been through bible college and all'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clopidogrel: 'But I don't believe I'm wrong. And if you're wrong, then what happens? Because sure as sure you aren't sure you're right'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the NT gospels were proxy ghostwritten after the fact, likely by those never met Jesus Christ'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clopidogrel: 'Then they're proxy ghostwritten in interesting ways for interesting motivations- not that I justify my faith by tenuous logic like this lol'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Feral Pup Snowolf: 'and again there is the problem of interpertation'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'i had my mother in law try the same argument on christmas day... i beleive in god so i go to heaven, and if not well nothing....  that is ugly way to think'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clopidogrel: 'Yup snow there is'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clopidogrel: 'I remember a dispute once irl over it'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'that isnt faith that is playing dice'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'people behaving morally because they want reward or are afraid of punishment is fucked up'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clopidogrel: 'And I'm not sure what to do about it- whether they're fully inspired or not- but fortunately we can live life in Christ fully even not knowing'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'are you in a city in australia, or like a suburb?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'yeah when i called her on it, just like i did to you, she also claimed thats not how she thinks'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'it's really about god, not playing the odds'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xiucozcatl smirks.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'if you want to know about actual Christianity, take lessons from decent atheists'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's good to have strong beliefs which are based on what is understood and feels correct, like that parable of building a house on a rock or sand, being sure is important - otherwise there's 'dismay' and a sense of insecurity'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'at least you may not get the tourist tour for choir believers'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Chemosh, you are so spot on with that statememnt'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zela watches the Quelz pedestal of sand to Chemosh crumble
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'strong deluded beliefs, tsk '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clopidogrel: 'okay imma go off for a bit'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"truthiness! ftw" says Stephen Colbert grinning'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clopidogrel: 'but idk if its right to just slink out so i'll just say: people are by nature screwed up and sinful and fall short of perfection. come to Christ and believe in him and by faith have everlasting life and joy in Him '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Clopidogrel: 'tty guys later'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'undernet #scripture is okay when the occasional decent atheist visits -- most of the time the boring religious-nutters are there'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i am neither atheist nor nut'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"you are number 6"  "i am not a number!"  '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'Stephen Colbert is a troll catering to the disenfranchised american youth'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no, he offers a satire, while still providing legitimate political information'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'yes... a troll'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'only those intelligent to sift through the subterfuge actually get it'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'intelligent enough that is'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cynikal Zynix: 'intelligence is such an overrated quality'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'so is faith'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Xynix is smoking something'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"religious faith is blind belief in the delusions spread by others"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'in that statement, i do not concur'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"religious faith is the blind belief in the delusions spread by others"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'faith is one of the few pure ideas humans follow as a people'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no matter how misguided'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'faith drives people to completion, to success, to greatness'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'you smoosh together words with the implication they are inseperable, when it is not so'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'without faith, society is doomed'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you use adjectives that arent actual adjectives'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'bold claim'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'explain'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cynikal Zynix: 'ultimately there is neither completeness nor deficiency'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'faith in love, in success, in an afterlife... faith is one of the underlying, driving force in humanities existance'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so the guys who did 9/11 were following one of the few pure ideas?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'without faith in the future... without faith in humantity, we would of already ceased to exist as a species'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'and ascribing sky-fairies to those things is taking the easy road out, it's the realm of childrens fairy tales'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'religious faith permits the deluded to agree to and do genocides, murders, tortures, atrocities, false accusation, intolerance -- in the name of Church and (false) god'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i've already stated i do not believe in a Christian god... where did i lose you?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'perhaps .. mosque and (false) Allah'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'you assume faith is required when there are other options'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '.. temple and (false) Buddha '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cynikal Zynix: 'what is a valid belief then Zela?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'doubt everything'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cynikal Zynix: 'what about the existance of existance?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i doubt that as well'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'maybe we're in a simulation?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cynikal Zynix: 'that would still be existing though'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'yeah that first year philosophy'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i guess'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'half of you are about as ignorant as this keyboard im typing on'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cynikal Zynix: 'should be easy then?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'yay the arrogant guy whos gunna educate us all'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'yep that's it'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i am the savior of knowledge'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'and i will lay forth the matter of your life that you should follow from here on out'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'you are an archtype'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i am the end all, be all'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xiucozcatl yawns.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'bow to my omnipotency'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'what's it gunna take you have you get me a ferrari ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'prayer?  sacrifce some animal ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'read "the secret" :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'read "the dragon in my garage"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you have to wish for it really hard, i think'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/Dragon.htm'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cynikal Zynix: 'religion can only be called that if universally true. Otherwise it's just organized superstition. Atheism however is rarely anything but obstinate obstruction of philosophical debate.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i created a monster'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'universally ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xiucozcatl snickers softly.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cynikal Zynix: 'that's right'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some hindu philosophy has concepts 'Smrti' and 'Sruti' investigated, seeing what zynix is saying there about universally true, those're some interesting ponderances'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'so by your own definition Zynix, all religons are superstition.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'all religious are right, and they are all wrong'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cynikal Zynix: 'if you like. I prefer to view it that they all more or less sucessfully attempts to point towards ultimate reality, allthough this becomes obscured behind cultural and mythological taints'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you people act like robots'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'it's not "as i like". that is what you said'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'if you dont agree you need a dictionary'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cynikal Zynix: 'no, what I said was that by my definition a religion could only be called a religion in so far as it is true, and otherwise it's superstition'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'religions were originally started as a farudulent political means to delude the populace into providing services for the unscrupulous leaders'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'no that is not what you said, you are now revising in the face of challenge'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cynikal Zynix: 'that is simply not true'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you people are not normal'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: '[26 Dec 04:07:05] (Debate) Zynix: 'religion can only be called that if universally true. Otherwise it's just organized superstition. Atheism however is rarely anything but obstinate obstruction of philosophical debate.''
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'religions were originally started as a fraudulent political means to delude the remaining populace into providing services for the unscrupulous leaders and their favorites'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'further proves my point that humanity is no longer'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cynikal Zynix: 'as you can see xiu, I do not say that all religions are supersitions'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'you then lack understanding of the word universal'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cynikal Zynix: 'by universal I mean boundlessly valid'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'if you dont agree you need a dictionary'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'all religions are inherently fraudulent when based on blind faith'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'In some of the Smriti text itself, we are reminded of the divine nature of the S'ruti texts, and are ever advised that in case of any conflict of interest between the two, the S'ruti will always overrule Smriti. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%9Aruti like this here , it's interesting - you're saying religion is always a tool to control people for politics, and that's a valid expectation from observing how people act in the world, but here is a statement that claims the 'eternal truths' of a religion over-rule the 'temporal traditions and customs' of the time in which it's learned, when in conflict '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'at least, that's what i understand from looking at that - like the bark of a tree and the tree itself is one allegory i read'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'you can't just make crap up and be expected to be taken seriously'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'valid point Chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cynikal Zynix: 'how would you define it then?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'debate how about YOU go look at a dictionary, since YOU are trying to convince ME'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the fraudulent and wrong "eternal truths" are neither "truths" nor truth'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sort of separating the religious aspect/ philosophical aspect from the worldly aspect, which changes - and not placing the worldly before the religious as the purpose of the religion'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz mind hurts... something tylenol just cannot aleviate
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'labeling religious lies as "eternal truths" does not make them "truths"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'things like war's and kingdoms are worldly aspects of a religion, or laws of killing people for crimes and what kind of crimes those are, as defined by society, which is the temporary aspect of the religion surrounding the philosophical or religious aspect that it brings'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Chemosh... offering some truth'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'that was a verbose not-say-anything statement, Chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and what that page said to me is that that religious aspect shouldn't be hindered by placing the worldly aspect before it, but is the very value of the religion itself'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Chemosh... hitting the nail on the head'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz nods in agreement
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'doubt that was even a complete sentence'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it's a good observation, since it leaves religion as a non-political tool while distancing itself from the claim that that's all it ever was'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in the world though, obviously religion's used alot as an excuse, or to gain support in worldly endeavours'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zela suspects that the cheering Quelz miscomprehended what Chemosh actually said
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even though it's written in the religion to do that sometimes, that's what i consider to be that 'Smrti' aspect of religion, and not the core philosophical / religious teachings of the religion itself - more of the reverse, placing the worldly before the religious'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i haven't seen many people following moses word for word in the world, although there's alot of judaists and intermixed old/new testament religions out there'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cynikal Zynix: 'that, Chemosh, is exactly why I tried to extricate the ideas of religion from the cultural manifestation'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cynikal Zynix: 'it's important to clarify the semantics, because otherwise the discussion dissolves into the traditional polarities'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Chemosh said that "(fraudulent) religions shouldn't be hindered by the worldly aspects (of the carnage promoted by religions)"  [paraphrased extra] '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cynikal Zynix: 'I've heard there is no word in hindi for "heresy"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the decent folk of USA likely believe that terrorist religions are to be hindered and even eliminated'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'fuck that Zela... dont tell me what Americans understand'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i am American... and dont impose your ideas about Americans upon Americans'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'i said "the *decent* folk of USA ..."'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'if you're not American, you have no right to speak upon our behalf, and I, quite frankly, take offense to that'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'was not directly refering to you, Quelz'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'I am American, and therefore you were referring to me'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'dont make generalizations... it proves your ignorance'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'although the comment was directed against your wrong opinion(s) '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'I am sorry Zela... but you have no basis for you conclusions'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'LMAO:  "the decent folk of USA likely believe"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'when you support a statement by Chemosh that indirectly supports religious terrorism, you are no longer decent'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'sounds like american opinion news where they always tell you what "the american people" think'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you support the American government, you indirectly support religious terrorism'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'I am American and do not support the American govt.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'goooood'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nuts, don't you mean "if you support democratic american government"?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'if you gunna be ignorant, at least have conviction, none of these weasel words like "likely"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but to imply anything about "us" is blatantly a falsehood and a misinterpretation of our people'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you support democratic american government, you probably don't support the american government :-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz nods at Tigernuts
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you support "two-party political system subverted and bought out by corporate interests" faux-democratic american government, you problably voted'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i did not vote'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you're in the majority, Quelz'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'then you have no say in politics'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz nods
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'proud of that ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Dagnir are you American?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can vote locally/state level and have a say in politics'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no, but "didn't vote - don't complain" rule is universal'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Then Dagnir, no offense... STFU!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that's a great argument'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'until you know more about MY political system than I, then you can talk'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would have been preferable to vote third party, tbh'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz nods in agreement
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i do know about your political system'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'i will make a difference by abtaining !'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Not more than I'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'also, be less of a patronizing fuck'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'obtaining'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'then dont insult my intelligence as an American'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yeah, i'm sure you know exactly how much /i/ know about american politics'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'well you open you mouh and asked for it'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '-- That's not what I meant, although it sort of is in the sense that the carnage shouldn't discredit religion entirely, in a broader sense I meant the parts of religious teaching which cause that conflict (were there revealed to likely be traditional/customary/worldly and thus not exactly religious) in the first place are the parts of religion which should be abandoned before they produce the chaos -- (Debate) Zela: 'Chemosh said that "(fraudulent) religions shouldn't be hindered by the worldly aspects (of the carnage promoted by religions)"  [paraphrased extra] ''
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Chemosh, i want what you're on... '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'to talking is to invite critasism'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i understand justice though, i think everybody has a sense of it - i just think people's perspectives on justice vary alot'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'criticism is a necessary evil of this channel :-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz nods in agreement with Chemosh
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no way, quelz is the most smartest here :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'most smartest? really Dagnir?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'dagnir *nod'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'wow... your command of the english language is amazing'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'oww brain failing'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir snickers softly.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'if you're going to debate American politics, then learn proper english grammar'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cmon, don't go there'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Dagnir, drop the comma in that above statement starting "no way, quelz ...)  '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'would then be "ahem" "American" english grammar ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'well if I am going to be put down upon for being American, than I can down someone for not understanding my language'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '...it's a fair cop'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm bad with commas :('
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'most smartest is not the right terminology'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'most smart'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xiucozcatl: 'least dumb ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i know that you retard'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'most already implies the top tier... saying smartest behind it, is redundant'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'well then come at me correct Dagnir, if you expect me to take you seriously'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i was implying that you're not the smartest one here'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz making waves to the best of his abilities
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i was implying that you are not the smartest one here either'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'take it down a notch. you're being a patronizing cunt and it's pretty annoying'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no, i'm not. but i'm not implying that i am'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but if somebody's sticking to their guns because they read it in their religion and that makes it right no matter how wrong it appears to be, then i think people have the right to defend themselves too'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'and did i imply that i am?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not trying to enable mass-murderers or anything, only considering the nature of the situation as presented in the media'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at least Dagnir isn't Yuna, Quelz :-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'am i fucking missing something? am i being a dick? am i impsoing my will upon others?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz laughs out loud
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'have i over stepped my boundaries'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'also, english is my second language'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're fine, QUuelz, just call him an arse and move on'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and you missed a question mark there'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'yes, i did Dagnir'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and that comma seemes to be in the wrong place'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'whose?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'I am a grammar nazi! lol'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'riiiight'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'btw, how many languages do you speak?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: '2'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are we now in language penis wars?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '4'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir tries to high five himself, but ends up looking foolish instead.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Oh and that warrants a cookie?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'not really. i'm just trying to be a dick'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i speak 1, and that's all i need'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '-- (Debate) Zela: 'when you support a statement by Chemosh that indirectly supports religious terrorism, you are no longer decent' -- I don't know how I could have put it clearer that that's not what I support'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but speaking 2 languages makes you more smarter than most americans'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'understanding multiple languages is a sign of intelligence, but not a sign of understanding'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'multiple languages suggests you're good at language'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hey, hey, this is the chemosh-under-the-influence channel, not the smarter than thou channel!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'just bc you are fluent in multiple languages, just can further prove how untilligent one is to multiple languages.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stick a pogovian tax on languages, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i think it has been already established that quelz is the most smartest'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'doesnt mean you actually are smarter'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's pigouvian'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nazi!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and you're only supposed to stick them on bad stuff'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other languages IS bad stuff'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'like nuts of tigers, and things like that!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tell the tigers that their nuts are bad'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that doesnt stop the chinese from making tiger penis wine... lol'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I don't want to be the one who does that...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'especially if you mean the tamil tigers!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if there were any left...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i require a meditation session'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir waves goodbye to Quelz.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you should get the pretitle "tamil", then you'd be tamil tigernuts!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz says "Live long, and proper"
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '-- (Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no, but "didn't vote - don't complain" rule is universal' -- (Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you support "two-party political system subverted and bought out by corporate interests" faux-democratic american government, you problably voted' -- I see there two complementary comments, what if you don't have any faith in any of them and know you'll be let down either way?  why shouldn't your opinion matter?  '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'prosper lol'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oh shit, i just realized quelz is the same douche who wanted to moderate debate'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and i see we've successfully dragged him down to our level :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'at least dagnir can spell douche right'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could vote third party, chemosh, but i understand not voting is the same opinion. I don't agree with Dagnir on that, though I understand where he is coming from'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or 'expect' rather, what kind of let-downs did you expect that made you not very interested in voting, for somebody you (thought you) knew would make some decision , beyond your control, that you had no say in?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir hugs Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir . o O ( he understood where i was coming from :') )
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i voted a couple times, but i wasn't utterly satisfied with the results, like the indian in ontario who wasn't granted an audience with stephen harper over the omnibus bill and their concerns of how it'll affect their people'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz Doesnt quite subscribe to Dagnir's statement
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it's not purely honest and considerate, then it's a stranger's government , to me'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'doesn't*'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'even if you don't cast a vote that matters in an election, the very fact that you vote influences the behaviour of politicians and the media...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no caps needed there and you missed an apostrophe'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'significant numbers of people not voting allows politicians to write off entire segments of society as unimportant.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir nods at Sonshi.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is true, though politicians are experts at conning people'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i understand some candacy required for interoperation with the other dishonest governments in the world and defense and things like that though, alot of that structure is mysterious to people - so it's not easy to make absolute ascertations on the reasons or the nature of the problems of the big people and little people'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately, globalisation guarantees that the minority will always suffer'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'People are experts in letting themselves become conned'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'either way - not voting won't help'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'globalisation has nothing to do with it... it's all on how good your govt is.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'if enough non-voters started to vote for a third-party candidate, that'd likely scare the incumbents of the two main parties'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it's globalisation'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'explain, please'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in fact, globalisation improves the lot of the average guy by improving productivity and efficiency'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the removal of power from local government into larger and larger blocks, like sovereign countries to the EU, or the US states to the federal government'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'globalization... just to clarify'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at lower levels, from local to county, and county to regional, regional to national'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's not globalisation...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's centralisation'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the two are largely going hand in hand'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just to make sure we're on the same page, here is one definition... http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/globalisation'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there are others, and the general idea is more interdependence/interconnectivity'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'large industrial firms are able to be more inniovative and more productive, but that does not mean to not tax the rich and them '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'People in every country, in every govt, just continue to give over their civil liberties to bigger governments.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'my country is highly globalised, for instance, and that makes us more able to support our independence, not less.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'innovative'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'your country Sonshi?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'whether you voluntarily cede your power to others is entirely on you and your people.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'singapore'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we've spent decades playing the old balance-the-great-powers game'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Singapore is not quite as "advanced," for the lack of a better term, as the United States of America'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir laughs out loud at Quelz.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, we've fewer resources and are much richer per capita'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'and you have far less civil liberties'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'sonshi, you have it all wrong. america is #1! haven't you heard?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, better education, lower unemployment, higher life expectancy'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hee hee'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'much smaller sample'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'less demographic variety'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'wait, i thought there was shitloads of variety there'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh yes, far less civil liberties, like being able to walk around in the streets in the middle of the night without getting shot...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'People fail to understand that America is the most diverse group of people on the planet'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'ahahaha Sonshi, you have a warped idea of America'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(he has)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'USA! USA! USA! USA!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'America has more struggles than any other country, based on it's demographic alone'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'name a more diverse place on earth?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, sure, like we don't have a huge muslim minority...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'amsterdam is more diverse. so is london'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'we have people from every other country, in large quantities'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so netherlands and the uk'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and surrounded by muslim neighbours orders of magnitude larger...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'singapore does not'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we have people from most countries...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'every other country has a core of people that are from their country'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'America is a mix of every race on the planet'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you don't seem to know dick about singapore'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'more so than any other country.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'good for you'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'except the alternative to Singapore style government is .. the poverty of Bengladesh, or Ethiopia, or other starving countries '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Now people are trying to argue my intelligence on my own country'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'now go and be #1 somewhere else'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'You said this not I Dagnir...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'suuure, but america is still mostly european descent...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'put it this way, i wouldn't want to live in Singapore'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Sonshi, you are wrong... sorry sir'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you are wrong'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i live here'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'dont tell me what is what'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, you don't like cities, of course you wouldn't want to live there'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts winks at Sonshi.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'if you have questions, i will answer, but dont make assumptions'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA has a lower violent crime rate than the UK'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''if they don't hear you now, how much more when they don't hear themselves?''
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'this is true Tigernuts, it's gun violence that is sooo much hgiher'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what, you deny that america's still mostly european descent?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Singapore is a success with a less varied demographic, because a more varied demographic usually leads to internal conflict and ruin'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thanks to the poverty-ridden areas'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'globalization to mer'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well... It's not less varied by that much'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'singapore has 4 official languages, btw'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you don't call that varied?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Sonshi, I am not trying to insult your intelligence'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you count total population, including migrant workers, it's as varied. If only citizenry, yeah, it's a bit less varied, but still...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I never said you were...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'the more ideals you throw into the mix, the more ideas you end up with'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Americans have to deal with more multi-culturaled issues than any other country on earth'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but what I said about euro-descent was a fact, and it's wrong to say that that's wrong...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'religious "ideals" lead to stagnation and ruin'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'we all have decent Sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'after 300 years... things get a little blurred'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'American spent the last 200 years accepting anyone, and everyone form around the planet'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, ours is a pretty new country, in some ways it's less homogeneous.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Americans have to deal with sooo many problems, because we are one of the newest nations on the planet'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the fundamentalist Christian creationists are seeking to ruin the USAmerica education system '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, the US is still hundreds of years old...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir hides his face in his palm after seeing what Quelz did.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you are right Dagnir, but in the big scheme of things, we are still so young'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the muslims want to weaken the rights of USAmericans with "Sharia Law" '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'quelz is a perfect american stereotype that doesn't know much about rest of the world'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'all the decolonised states in the last century are far newer...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz pats Dagnir on the head, and continues to ignore him like the little child "it" is
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Sonshi, America is not perfect, that is not the point im arguing'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'quelz, how many countries have you visited?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'needs to face up to its problems and learn from others though'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'my point is merely that there are sooo many demographics represented in America, that it makes understanding soooo hard'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and at this point, america thinking it's young would be like a middle aged guy going "hey, I'm still young! Really!"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'uhhh... when America is at the fore front of advancement... yet we are still so young'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'yeah... i would agree that we are young'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'america is pretty screwed unless the patriots wake up'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'patriots? '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'thinking that you're still at the "forefront of advancement" is what's stopping you from real reform...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i find it amazing how many people go to america to turn it into their perceived country of origin instead of a place unto itself'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the ones that understand and believe in the principles that USA was founded on, z'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'and other countries willing to submit to real-world change is holding you back'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or canada or other place, trying to turn them into russia, africa, spain, italy, etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why didn't they stay over there if they liked it so much?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the US may turn out to be the new old China - too content in its greatness to see how backwards it is becoming...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Wow Chemosh, i like you more and more as we debate'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the "Patriot Act" of the GWBush tyranny already ruined civil liberties somewhat'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Sonshi, did you not see where i said America is falling? did you not see where I said America is not the once powerful country it once was.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you realise that using words to twist their meaning is a common trick of those in power, z'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what made america great used to be its openness to immigrants and new ideas...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'now they close the door to a flood of fresh blood and thought...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'USAmericans get to be TSA-raped'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''openness to new ideas' is ok, but changing it into where you came from, building the country around your foreign nation, is same thing as colonialism, which was supposed to have been finished by now'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I must have missed when you said america is falling... because it's not in channel history...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'probably in gossip... people reallyt go back and read that crap?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'the virtual world is destroying real life...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no. there's a search function'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'before they were criicising the Roman Catholic and other Christian Churches for molestation -- the TSA is auditioning for the same noteriety'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'you want to be a sex-perv -- no need to be a Priest, join the TSA'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where do you think the defrocked catholic priests went?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'On the other hand, you did claim that america is the most diverse group of people on the planet, more struggles than any other country, one of the newest nations, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Sonshi... America is at the fore-front of every technological advance... are youre saying that we are imcompitent?  We do some things wrong, but we get a lot of things right.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, sure, every technological advance. heh'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'freedom and liberty isn't one of them'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz nods at Tigernuts
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, what do you think america would have said on 9/11 if they declared the same day they're going to build a mosque down the street from the twin towers and lobby for shariah law, or if that GE guy was preaching communism in the high places of the country during the cold war?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'see Nazi Germany between 1920-1945 for a guide'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Chemosh, i hate to love you lol'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they would have noticed something fishy is going on here at least hmm'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'd probably been blind to it, chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Sonshi, you act like Singapore is just awesome'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you're representative didnt even make it in the top 16 of Ms. Universe lolz... '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hey, I'm not the one claiming that we're at the forefront of every technological advance!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'singpore isn't even -in- the eurovision song contest'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'oh and yes i watched that, beautiful women left and right, yes sir!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or that we're more "advanced" than you'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or that we've so many problems because our society is so diverse and new'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'well then dont formulate ideas about America without proper knowledge'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hey, I just stated facts...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'like per capita gdp, life expectancy, demographic distribution...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'those are not the only measurements of success'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'education?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'asian countries offer more intelligence than America does'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'and that is our fault'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that is why america is falling, and fast'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, what I'm saying is that to claim that the US is more "advanced" is really iffy.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'in the "world" view it is, but in the humanity view, no country is'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it can solve that pretty easily, given its resources, but what they're doing now is just embarrassing...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if USA can sort out it's governance problem, i'd be happy to live there'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you're telling me, i live here!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, in the "world's" view, as you put it, I doubt people outside the US would take the view that it is more advanced than us...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'in Texas, they'd like science classes to teach that the christian god created the Earth and Solar system and Galaxies, and in less than 6 days'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'as for female biology: Adam's rib!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'potentially more advanced, sure, if it ever decided to get off its ass and fix its problems...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'going the wrong way for fixing things'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Texas is one of 4 states in the USA that can actually seperate from the country itself and formulate its own country'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'according to those states' constitutions'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wish it'd get on with it'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the life expectancy gap is also pretty embarrassing... largely due to lack of access.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'it's our countries age...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that's what it all boils down to'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'so many ideas coming together to attempt to formulate one idea'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that is why our country has not been able to function properly, because there are so many ideas on what could work'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'so many ideas on what is right and what is wrong, so many religions...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so do you think that your "country's age" is a plus or minus?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'in this day and age, our country's age is a detractor'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so older countries have it harder? Or easier?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'it makes it hard for us to compete with more established countrys'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'countries'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'my country is less than 50 years old...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the republican news media is dummyfying the viewing audience -- that is part of the reason that the populace is at a disadvantage'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but your people are mostly one group'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not really'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'a similar sect of people'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Americans have to deal with the assimilation of EVERY race/religion/culture'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'about 40% or so are hokkien, maybe 20% or so teochew and hakka, 5% indian, 20% malay or something like that'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'on a large scale'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'every other country has a base'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'we did not have a base'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'we created a base'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hey, from our viewpoint, the blacks and white are also "a similar sect of people" as you put it'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'from an Americans perspective we are not.... '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'unfortunately i dont believe that, but a lot of Americans do'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'is Singapore separate to Indonesia'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'It is Zela'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in fact, in terms of religion and culture, the US is far more homogeneous than singapore'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we don't have a majority religion, for instance'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but the history of your people is far more solidified'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'your people have lived in that region for centuries'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'zela - we're surrounded by two very big (relatively) muslim countries, indonesia and malaysia'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'americans have only lived here for a little over 300 years'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, almost all moved about as far as the europeans did to america.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmm... well, maybe half the distance'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'being a newer country doesn't mean you're at a disadvantage, the main hinderance is the established system of governance that the 'advantaged ones' hold onto throughout time attempting to disqualify the progressive growth of your own, isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Publications and public discussions of religious issues are generally censored,along with negative or inflammatory portrayals of religion. The Government does not tolerate speech or actions that it deems could adversely affect racial or religious harmony.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but same order of magnitude!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz nods in agreement toward Chemosh
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'things stayed basically the same throughout the dark ages if i read correctly, there's some 'advantageous government' in perspective'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and most of our population moved there far less than 300 years ago...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'can be destructive and misled easy though, like most aspirations of people'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Sonshi, your culture, in that region, has been established for some time,'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it used to be muslim/malay'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but you have had to deal with all that in the same region... for almost ever...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'ok, im wrong then'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'prior to the colonial era, there was little contact beyond trade'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'In 1972 the Singapore government de-registered and banned the activities of Jehovah's Witnesses in Singapore on the grounds that its members refuse to perform military service (which is obligatory for all male citizens), salute the flag, or swear oaths of allegiance to the state'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but anyway, I doubt that being a new nation makes it harder for the US vs the situation in europe.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The Unification Church has also been banned in Singapore since 1982.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, we ban two churches for pacifism'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you have freedom of religion and expression except when you don't'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like the UK'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz says "Nice one Tigernuts"
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like the way the US is going'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, I don't hear of anyone being arrested for religious activities these days...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it's the same with any UN-member, the whole UN charter on human rights is a joke'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz nods at Tigernuts apprehensively
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'according to the NT gospel scriptures, all Christians are supposed to refuse to take oaths of allegiance'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'are we back to the religious aspect?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'except when they defy conscription, then the would-be conscript gets it.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'religion is merely a convenient microcosm to discuss a range of issues in'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have no particular interest in religion but for the fact that religion itself has been subverted constantly over 1300 years'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so in terms of religious freedom, it doesn't seem much of an issue, except that that sort of pacifism is banned, due to conscription'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and now has been absorbed by the state'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'pacifism is the only answer'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'unfortunately not all concur with that'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'pacifism is folly'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'every human ideal is folly'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing wrong with well placed pacifism'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'pacifism certainly wasn't the answer when you have commandos dropping bombs...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pacifism might help stop the bombing of innocent brown people that the US is so happy to inflict'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'oh i totally agree that the US is a little too careless with it's lack of pacifism'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, pacifism is all nice and fine when you aren't getting threatened with national extinction, yes...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i actually have a pacificistic representation, in a tattoo on my body'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA isn't at risk of invasion and hasn't been for at least 30 years'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'when people are actually trying to kill you, that's kind of a different thing...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the state of emergency in the USA is a fraud'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so you have to see the jehovah's witnesses thing in that context'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'people were trying to kill Americans'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, they weren't, Quelz'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'during the establishment of American existance'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Europeans escaped religious persecution in order establish their own rights'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now those rights are being trodden on'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'and therefore "Americans" had to fight'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by a friendly brown collectivist called Barry Soetero'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it's incredible that the UN would draft an anti-blasphemy law before a more generalized law of 'exploitation of the desperate' which goes against unfair treatment of people'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'americans sometimes think too much about freedom from the govt, instead of focussing on optimising, in some sense, total freedom.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'things like that, make more sense to me, where blasphemy is whatever your religion says it is'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Sonshi, I could be wrong, but i feel as though your idea of freedom is skewed, and if that is an American trait, i do apologize'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, as an example, decades ago, we traded some of our economic freedom (tolerating higher taxation) for the sake of public works and debt repayment...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who's practicing segregation then, the people who define blasphemy or the people who enable them to control everybody else's freedom?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i agree that sacrifices need to be made'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'whereas today's america has a lot of "govt hands off my money!!!11!"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you are wrong... America gives out too much money to the poor'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's so much infrastructure that can be built or upgraded...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'd do better to beat the federal government and executive branch down to doing only what was intended'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'could be that that report on the UN anti-blasphemy law wasn't legitimate though, i read it on the internet which is full of fiction'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'people fed, clothed, housed... given work...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'people are entitled to nearly nothing'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'life is what we are entitled too'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so what if govt employment (and waste) rises for a while... that sort of thing can be dealt with later.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no it cant'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if UN cares much about human rights, why wouldn't it have a law against something like 'exploitation of the desperate'?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we did...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree with Quelz, UK is case and point'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is slavery such a fundamental thing to unitedly uphold, or what is it?  i seen alot of stories of people making use of other people's desperation'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'One of the founders of country said, that "A govt strong enough to provide its people with everything, is strong enough to take it away."'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'after decades of high taxation, even with the cost of large projects, the govt coffers were overflowing to the extent that they pretty much had to cut taxes...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but your country has a more stream-lined focus'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US's deficit problem is due to excessive military spending'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that is the point im making'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz nods at Tigernuts
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'police expenditure also dropped once desperate poverty and homelessness were (mostly) solved.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not fairly either, always some sort of unfair transaction taking place, not much of a promotion of playing by the rules - like i read about america not allowing human rights violation russians into the country or to seize their assets there, and vice versa - why not a more generalized approach where nationality doesn't much matter in the application of that concept?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chemosh, the UN rules on human rights do not apply to anyone the UN doesn't like'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you could turn a profit just from your security expenditure and econonmic improvement simply by housing your poor and desperate, even if you had to give it for free, or in exchange for make-work.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'The UN is a farce... '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any country that goes against the will of the UN, human rights don't apply to - they could argue it doesn't apply to North Korea or Iran'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz nods at Sonshi
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there you go with the UN again... they're just an international grouping.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'their force comes from their members, no more, no less'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but that's like that mysterious dark structure of interoperating opponents, 'governments' who require the darkness to preserve eachother from eachother, i guess'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'the UN wants to be in control of the internet'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UN is the excuse that people like Obama use for invading countries'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's not like they can stop the us from doing as it likes'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the excuse he gives for breaking the constitution'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Obama is the worst thing to happen to America, since America'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no, without the UN, they could invade anyone they like. At least with the UN, they have to jump through a hoop or risk looking bad.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i dunno, Quelz, GW Bush was pretty bad, as was Clinton and HW Bush'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's irrelevent, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'I do not agree about Clinton'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'the world liked us a little more with Clinton'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'and he dialed back defense spending quite a bit'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'obama's certainly not as bad as bush...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not nearly enough'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obama is almost identical to bush'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Sonshi, i live in the US... Obama is quite worst'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at least he hasn't invaded any new countries yet!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'worse...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err, Libya? Syria?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'yet '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Iran?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but he's screwed our country economically sooooooo much'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, if you think he invaded them, you must be living under a rock or something'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'I was republican during Clinton years, and now looking back, i think he was better than bush 2 and Obama'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz nods at Andurien
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you call cutting off the supplies to everyone except armed insurgents, imposing no-fly zones dropping bombs to destroy infrastructure, and cyberwarfare + targetted seal attacks?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in fact, the syrian rebels are pretty pissed over the lack of support and have aligned themselves with the islamists, saying they don't need help from the US anymore, even if they wanted to give it now.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just because there's been no "ground invasion" doesn't mean it'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't mean it's not h appening'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'of course I'm virtually 100% libertarian now...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Do you not remember Bin Laden? America gave him all the help we could give'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'and it back fired'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'syrian rebels are not aligned with the islamists'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'syrian rebels are now almost entirely jihadi's, mostly from other countries'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'America needs to have an isolationist approach'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'armed by the west via Saudi Arabia and Qatar'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, increasingly, they are... the islamists are the only ones willing to provide boots on the ground.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz nods at Tigernuts
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if one faction is willing to send you the troops and the other isn't, hey guess which one you're going to ally with?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that doesn't mean you should support them'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'helping the lesser of two evils isnt going to help'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the libyans were supported by the west, and the islamists were soundly defeated in elections'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'America should not involve itself in these matters'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's hope, at least, of a liberal democracy emerging in a decade or so'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'democracy is less stable and has less guarantee of personal freedom and opportunity than a republic...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'America is a republic'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if they had actually bombed syrian govt armour and airbases, the rebels would've won before the islamists arrived with their poisoned chalice of manpower support...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think the UN is becoming a counterproductive thing if it's serving the will of only a small amount of the demographics of the nation's it's composed of'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have no right interfereing'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz nods at Tigernuts
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'm sure you'd say that france had no right interfering in the american revolution either!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'The french are bitches'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'The French are cowards'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'might've been known as washington's insurrection in greater canada otherwise!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'specialty interests aren't generalized interests, and there's no united vote of all the demographics of all the member states on issues that the UN decides, is there?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'without France, the rebels would have list the American revolution'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'lost even'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'I believe your American history is a little shakey Andurien'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, wouldn't even have been close'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that requires getting people involved to understand and things like that, empowering them even - which is democracy, which some of the UN isn't - so that's some counterproductivity of it, isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like why should somebody unaffected by a decision, be in control of how it's decided?  that's 0 risk for them, and consequence for somebody else'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'without french support, the rebels would've been isolated and defeated in detail... they'd never be able to cross a river in force.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz nods at Chemosh
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Wrong'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best thing to do with the UN is to turn it into a trade-only regulator and abolish all it's other powers'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'the french offered little to nothing in the American revolution'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha. The naval support was crucial.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'why do you think the Americans joke about the french to this day?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not only did it hamper british resupply/blockading efforts, it freed rivers for crossing.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'it may have prolonged the inevitable'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but the french offered about 10% of the overall war effort'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, for a description of french involvement, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_in_the_American_Revolutionary_War'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i swear if people dont stop siting wikipedia'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'even if that's true, Quelz, French support still helped new independent America rebuild after the war'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'But did not actually lead to overall American success... Do you know how many french actually stayed here? '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'France eradicated all the good that they might have done then by capitulating so easily against America'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err Germany'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'WW2'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'without it, Britain might have just taken a break and come back and toppled us'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one would note that the brits were that close to crushing effective resistance and american morale. If they were free to resupply and send their troops instead of getting tied up in europe, that revolution would have ended as a tiny insurrection...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz shakes head
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, france did try against germany...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just that they were not wise enough to realise that the character of war had changed'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they couldn't have given up quicker if they tried'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the brits also fell prey to that, in less spectacular fashion'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the brits gave up faster in malaya though!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'surrenderring to a force less than half their size (something like a third), losing both capital ships with nothing to show for it...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not like france has a monopoly on military stupidity'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's probably too late to save Syria now, they could save Iran though'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in iran, the main opposing force are of the more liberal variety... unfortunately there may not be enough of them for a revolution.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stop suppressing the country, it'll sort itself out in time'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'I think the G-summit in toronto a few years ago is an excellent example of how the UN is a failure, assuming these G-summits and the UN are peas of the same pod, here was a extravagant meeting that cost the canadian tax-payers over 1 billion dollars, and that billion dollars (alot less than a billion per project) was slashed from the public services of the canadian government in the following years, much lesser expenses that actually did something for Canada'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all that the west has achieved with it is to radicalise people against the west'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's like an example of the UN/G's showing how little democracy really exists and how free you really are'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'blind religion is a hindrance to decency and fairplay'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, you've got to be willing to support the rebels when they do revolt though...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'where the priority's of your voiceless demographic are utterly ignored and put on display in a parade of mockery'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hands off, and wait for them to revolt before taking action, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i see the gospel in it, kind of antichristish but no less relevant'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Chemosh, did you even read the gospels'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'several times, 13 to be exact, old testament 7'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's still mysterious to me but I remember the odd thing'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US/UK caused the Iranian regime, it was secular and calm until then'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'rereading the OT was a waste -- may cause psychological damage to decency'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the US and UK of that time were still playing the old colonial games...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'these 'games' have long term implications, which is why they should STOP PLAYING THEM'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at least they aren't playing them in my part of the world any more...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'goodnight all'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't mean you won't be affected'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd imagine Singapore looks quite shiny to an aggressive militant China'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the best is for them to lay off until the people take things into their own hands...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'agreed'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we might...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but we're also quite far away'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'change has to come from within'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they'd have to get through indochina and malaya'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and being a major strategic port, there'd be plenty of countries with an interest in stopping any invasion'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as long as we don't piss them off too badly'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'besides, if china behaves historically, they'd only invade countries which are adjacent and sinicised...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd like to see china fragment into the old provinces'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'every time they do that, the un-fragment in the next century or so'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'every time in the last 2k years or so that china has not been unified, it has been at war with itself'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sure they'll be fine now'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, they could always decentralise... but whenever they break into actual states with different armies, they tend to fight each other'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't think that would necessarily be true these days'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wouldn't be too sure about that...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would be the only way to break up the communism that lives there'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they do seem to have little interest in acquiring territory they don't view as chinese though...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't really need to'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well... there could be another revolution and civil war'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the 283298309472nd chinese civil war'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doubt that'll happen in the forseeable future - the public have essentially been bought, much like Venezuela'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what, you haven't noticed the rioting in the streets?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(much the same way as USA is being bought)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's small compared to the overall population'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have a much higher threshold there because of the much dirtier and more brutal techniques that the institution is ready to deploy'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'china has a long and bloody history of insurrection... also why the govt is always suspicious of "peaceful" monks and their caches of AK-47s'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't doubt it could happen, but i think you're likely to see revolutions in the poorer european countries, and even in the USA before China goes'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, as far as the poorer european countries go, they have immediate problems there, no prizes for guessing they go first'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in fact, authoritarian govts have seized control and have written new constitutions in a couple of countries...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they've managed to kick the can a little further down the line and at the same time deprive european countries of more of their sovereign control with their fiscal union antics'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and that right wing group with nazi-sounding policies is gaining strength in greece'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a natural backlash against socialism'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a similar surge in nationalist policies here, but they're not nazi related, they're just anti-european'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all that will happen here is it will lead to more socialist government'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is what happens when you have a hobsons choice'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, funny, given how the ones who got them into trouble were the centre right ND'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whoever took them into the EU has to take a large portion of the blame'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the socialists just took the fall because they won power right after the crisis, and were the ones to discover that the previous govt had faked the stats'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best face it that when it comes to europe, both sides were calling for union, and they both did it for vested interests'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the centre-right ND brought them into the EEC, the opposition opposed.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in fact, it seems that at the time, papandreou campaigned for withdrawal from NATO and the EEC...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course, somehow the socialists get the blame, eh?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'because nutcases in the country probably think that both sides are equally evil and all that.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the Republicans screw the USA and attempt to blame the Democrats '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and vice versa'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's called partisan politics'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, hey, one side campaigned against the thing that got you into trouble, and the other side not only did that, but fudged the budget and the stats. But let's ignore the stats and say they're both evil!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not unique to the US'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Bill Clinton left office with a "surplus"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, all down some intern's dress'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that just shows how hard he was working'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so pasok and nd both get the blame for something that nd wanted and pasok didn't. Because of people like you who say both sides are equally bad...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he also removed the laws that were preventing banks from creating dubious financial instruments, he also coerced lenders into giving out mortgates to people who couldn't afford them'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so he's not all bad, he's not all good'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'he was in his office in the middle of the night, working. getting a blowjob from lewinsky was a sacrifice for his country'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'a weaker man would have been out, partying with better looking chicks'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so show some respect to the man'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'or for the man?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he also benefit from the internet bubble'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'because everything important to the internet happened under clinton, and there were no huge tech startups ever since then?!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't you understand what a bubble is, Sonshi? It's a rush followed by a collapse'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'happened here too, you know'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'unless I missed something, the tech sector has been pretty strong, except for a bit of a bubble.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we've had property bubbles here too'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'a lot of those mortgage lenders were (republican?) crooks that were offering mortgages deliberately designed to fail at the next renegetiation'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, zela, republican/democrat aspect is largely irrelevent, it was all done with vested interests in mind'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'renegotiation'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one might also note that the govt lenders did much better than average...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but it was him who pulled the trigger on it'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just like it was Bush who pulled the trigger on the wars'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, technically it was jesus who told him to do it'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whenever somebody's talking of how independent or different a politician is from the institution, i'm reminded of how violently in the most 'free' nations even, somebody who differs from the ultimate agenda of the shadow people is dispatched - it's possible once in awhile things are actually independent, but how often is a matter of skepticism - i see shape to most things'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or look for the shape'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's likely not too often that them shadow people would change their minds beyond a certain point, or allow somebody elses to be made up on it's own - when they're in control'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't odd how anyone who sticks up for peace, freedom and liberty tends to end up shot?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Luther King, John Lennon, Kennedy'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i was in a chat room inhabited by somebody mentioning john lennon awhile back and his girlfriend'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'yoko ono?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'btw, i just noticed that nuts hasn't mentioned obama yet. it's a christmas miracle!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lots of evidence that the shooter was under mind-control'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i.e, a patsy drugged and co-erced'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i could have taken it as a indirect threat, yeah, but i don't have any power unlike they did and don't see what kind of a semantics i'm selling that isn't available to any casual observer'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'often shot by people who think that the target is trampling on their rights or bringing tyranny to them or something'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The establishment, usually, Sonshi, as was the case in Lennon, both Kennedies'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so they probably weren't directing it at me'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure, sure *edges away*'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh? it's on file'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i never even knew who john lennon was until they mentioned it'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'RF Kennedy they're declassified papers that said they knew it wasn't sirhan who shot him, he was the patsy'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'JFK the inquest agreed government agency coverups and conspiracy were involved'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Government inquest into 9/11 concluded that they didn't know why the two towers fell'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a reason why they're now arresting people for questioning the official story on the most recent shooting'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'RF Kennedy -- a magazine article hinted that a security guard named Mr Hunt killed RF Kennedy '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, petition to get Piers Morgan deported has got more than double the needed signatures to get a response'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Piers Morgan is a subversive'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's also a crook'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he is knees deep in the UK phone hacking scandal'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'partroxis is fine provided it's not right after a reboot'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops mis'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Jeremy Clarkson once punched him in the face'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Chemosh, you were absent a lot this month, were you busy on the IRC Undernet, and which Political chatrooms'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nope, just wittling away my internet habit over time, killing time etc, i recently deleted my video game collection and will probably start reading novels for a hobby instead'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Undernet#Politics is to be avoided unless a pro-Republican pro-Israeli pro-Bush supporter -- they like to kick contrary opinions'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's too bad, i like no holds barred debates where opinions are matched and misconceptions deliberated'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'difficult to debate here'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's that 'fear politics' kind of stuff, emotional appeal'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i like the logic and examination of the reasons'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'i'd never delete a video-game collection -- i'd find another addiction (with an antidote)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'there is undernet #Political'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'i started playing Aardwolf as an antidote to another Mud addiction'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did it work?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'unfortunately, there was Aardwolf addiction'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'then i started analysing Chess as an antidote to the Aardwolf addiction'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the UN small arms ban gets passed and ratified, a simple majority vote of the UN would ban gun ownership in the USA'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the "Chess analysis" already comes with a pre-supplied antidote preventing addiction'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i've never played chess before, i never knew anybody who does'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'except my bro, but i hardly seen him while he was interested in it - so that fits into the never, since i wasn't there to play with him'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the IRC antidote is eventually realising that the IRC-idiots are unable to supply any more informations except stagnant boredom same-old same-old, and may as go elsewhere'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'i used to play a lot of Chess, resulting in a hardwiring into the mental-processes - so must keep the skills somewhat accurate, so that the intellectual abilities may use the hardwiring somewhat'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'in theory. the Chess mental-hardwiring may also carry through reincarnations provided the rules of Chess remains the same'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you find the same-old same-old as an antidote, i see it as a question how they keep on going and for who or what do they repeat themselves so much (in some circumstances) about subjects as shallow as there is'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'children and youths that are hardwired to playing Aardwolf (or other temporary games) are likely to be screwed in old age since Aardwolf (and other temporary games) shall likely no longer exist in the current form, resulting in a possible loss of mental-abilities'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'somewhat absurd notion'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but boredom's definitely a factor too, good repellant in some situations, i agree'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'when an IRC participant realises that the IRC others are a stagnant same-old, no longer improving, there is no reason to stay at IRC and also become stagnant'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'IRC debating may provide new perspectives (at least initially)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Chemosh, do you like religious debates'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't really like them, but it's something that's problematic to discuss'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you see in the bible's book of job, they do the same in there - so it's nothing new'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't support communism, you're a racist'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'i use IRC to find flaws in some irreligious opinions i'd like to express'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i avoid irc'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '-- (Debate) Zela: 'children and youths that are hardwired to playing Aardwolf (or other temporary games) are likely to be screwed in old age since Aardwolf (and other temporary games) shall likely no longer exist in the current form, resulting in a possible loss of mental-abilities' -- I seen quite a few research articles about media/entertainment/pop culture/environment and their investigated involvement in some mental problems in people, or other problems'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'internally being aware of the "truth" is one thing (or delusion), being able to express that "truth" safely and beneficially to the worthy is another thing (or vain pretension)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'what is a "temporary game"? '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'be an interesting study if you were bent on figuring it out, but that might be desireable in people by some of their superiors - 'temporary game' he was referring to his experience playing chess and how it was a useful mental exercise, and the rules don't change and the game remains the same'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'a temporary (intense) game is a game (that causes mental hardwiring) whose rules and format changes so as to no longer be available in that form years later, resulting in the possible loss of the use of the mental-hardwiring'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'with Chess analysis and study, i may recoup the mental chess abilities, and regain the use of the intelligence using the Chess hardwiring '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Prof Anthea Butler is such a bigot and a racist'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'i used to be 2100 speedchess rated, and around 2100-2200 expert-rated (unofficially) -- but i stopped playing when i reaslised that the amount of study to reach chess Master (2300+) was not worth the agony involved'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'a lot of preparation and study is involved'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '-- (Debate) Zela: 'internally being aware of the "truth" is one thing (or delusion), being able to express that "truth" safely and beneficially to the worthy is another thing (or vain pretension)' -- 'safely' is like a blasphemy law, who's religion defines safety is a dynamic problem, who's to say my religion doesn't find you in violation of it's precepts and vice versa?  it's not likely to please everybody, anything - always somebody will feel affronted, however unrighteously, by the disposition of somebody else, whether revealed or not'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who acts on that's the game-changer though, i don't see any reason to'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'as a fun exercise, i used to speedmate with Bishop Knight King against King in less than two minutes (on the speedclock, the opponent gets five minutes on the clock)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'personally, situations are much larger than me that i usually consider, and comprehension's my only goal'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'world's a pretty masterious sphere, if only more of the mystery wasn't so malevolent'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'i doubt everything -- the "truth is out there" in the verified and proven'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'a fun exercise is to debate with religious-nutters and determine what motivates their delusions'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'a fun exercise is to debate with religious-nutters and formulate an antidote to their delusions'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"formulate an antidote to their delusions" ==> "refute their deluded beliefs"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the next stage is to publish a book that benefits mankind without destroying the planet'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lots of those out there, but none of them worked before'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you think it can be saved?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i mean, worked to solve all the worlds problems etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'some books caused a lot of damage: "Marxist-Leninism"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what problem needs solving:?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i imagine everybody sees at least one priority problem that buggers them on a daily basis'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that doesn't seem to need to be there, apart from it being a human, more what a human enforces'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the "problem" here is reincarnating to a crappy human civilisation beset with religious delusions, political corruption, callous business greed, ignorant undereducated populaces, overpopulation, ecocide, eventual planetary death and or an eco-Hell on planet earth'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a lot of problems, would you like to pull out one in particular?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'which do you prefer to work upon'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have no preference'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i've actually had nightmares before in 'ecoHell' earth, didn't see them in the movies but they definitely resembled here to some extent'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's a pretty common belief i noticed though, 'Humans will destroy themselves' is something I've heard come from diverse people, it's like a fate they're resolved on and in acceptance of the inevitability of'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'you've got your decency as a guide, or do you'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but that's not neccessarily a force of sheer death and destruction (belief wise), anymore than an acknowledgement that they're not blind and see there's a problem - if they didn't see a problem, then that would be more 'sheer death and destruction' (beliefwise)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'as a guide to decency, some may prefer to start with the deep analysis of the atheistic antitheist interpretation of the Two Great Commandments of Jesus ((the Not-)Christ) in the NT gospels'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they worship making it worse, for what reasons?  then there's some death and destruction, but not sheer until they pass from memory'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'a decent God dislike worship -- service yes but no worship'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'a decent "God" dislikes worship -- service yes but no worship -- the teachings of Jesus (the Not-Christ) in the NT gospels tend to exclude worship'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thought you were worried about problems?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'to solve problems, "the solver must be decent"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bleh, not necessarily true'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the solution could be an inanimate object of inevitable event'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or might be the trigger for it'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a terrible evil could be the trigger for the solution'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pays to be open-minded and pragmatic'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'evil people can do mathematics just as well as good people'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'yeah, the Nazis did attempt to solve "problems" -- some may debate whether there was enough "decency" in the Nazis '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'although i don't know if there's any embodiments of pure good or pure evil on earth, relatively speaking the people who fit the words usually display similar traits'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The US openly supported by Mao Zedong and Chiang Kai-Shek'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'so before winding up "problem-solvers" to go out a find the "final solution" to the world problems, perhaps an extended analysis of "decency" and the requirement for "decent" and "is your decency decent, or merely a convenient opinion subject to change on whim"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'when someone is going to solve the world problems decently, a knowledge of "decency" may be required, and also: "do not depend upon fictitious saviours for salvation"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one person won't solve the world's problems, so decency is largely irrelevent. Understanding of the problem and solutions would be of primary importance'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'so "looking for embodiments of pure good (or pure evil)" is folly somewhat -- seems as though looking for saviours (and demons) '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think most people, or all people, have a inert knowledge of decency, which they grow to oppose or suppress replaced with a 'higher knowledge' in some circumstances, which pleases their job description'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or beliefs or desires etc,'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i know when i'm wrong in doing something, however numb to that awareness i am sometimes, i realize eventually'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'religious-nutters are not decent -- they are willing to do depravities in the name of church and (false) god'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Christian reinterpretation: "homosexuals are not decent -- they are willing to do depravities in the name of sex-thrills"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Chemosh, may take you decades to comprehend the depths of the (atheistic antitheist) Two Great Commandments of Jesus (the Not-)Christ'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Jesus was asked: "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments. Matt 22:36-40'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'when you get to the stage of saying "i know! what decency maybe! is" from the perspective of the (atheistic antitheist) Two Great Commandments of Jesus (Not-)Christ, you may be decent and there (or you may be depraved)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'also Mark 12:33 "And that God should be loved with the whole heart and with the whole understanding and with the whole soul and with the whole strength. And to love one's neighbour as one's self is a greater thing than all holocausts and sacrifices."'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'note the words "a greater thing than all holocausts and sacrifices."'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''burnt offerings''
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.' -- Mark 12:33'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'there is are several depths in meaning there -- also indicates that the mithraic sacrifice, "the crucifixion", was not required for salvation'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Paul and the mithraists corrupted the original teachings of Jesus, by (Paul) adding in the pagan myth of the "crucifixion sacrifice"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'gets better though: Jesus was also a fiction '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'Nooo Jesus was a warhero & like Samurai he used light armor to defeat his enemies! How can you ignore that shroud!?;('
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'so what is left: The Two Great Commandments (in crude form) and a few other wise Jesus teachings,  and some inept Jesus teachings'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'yea well I don't see you defeating people while you wear a bathrobe!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"doubt everything" is a guide to wisdom'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'let's all google the shroud & take a look at it as if we did midevil times platemail & oriental armorments.. Just THINK OF HOW LONG IT WORKED!'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'But people wear police uniforms & stuff like that & need a bullet proof vest or kevlar don't they?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'btw, may take you a few decades to determine what the *atheistic antitheist interpretation* of the Two Great Commandments (of Jesus of the NT) is'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i have a general understanding of it, might be different from yours though'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'you must earn that wisdom'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts boggles at the concept.
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have you come up with your choice of problem to solve yet?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'i looked at those two commandments a long while -- so many faulty misinterpretations'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"how to teach true decency"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on your definition of decency'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"make clean (decent) the inside of the human, that the outside may become clean (decent)"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Matthew 23:26 "Thou blind Pharisee, first make clean the inside of the cup and of the dish, that the outside may become clean"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Matthew 6:22 "The light (and decency) of thy body is thy eye. If thy eye be single (and decent), thy whole body shall be lightsome" (reparaphrased)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'there is lots of atheistic antitheist wisdom in the NT gospels (and a lot of chaff)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lots of burning bushes in the OT'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'world was corrupt when we got here though, i'm not sure any amount of inner cleanliness - as some do develop perfectionist mentalities or holier than thou complexes - would have any drastic impact on it, but not having a mind full of lies and unwarranted strife is definitely a easier way of dealing with it'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"inner decency" or "inner cleanliness" is not some "holier-than-others" attitude -- discard the 'tude'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"inner decency" or "inner cleanliness" is not some external principle to be lived up to -- when i get angry, some of that "decency" may disappear (hopefully not too much)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'hopefully, i do not do anything bad -- but i be thinking nasty thoughts'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'externalizing that is something society does seem to excel at though, abandoning what feels correct for what appears correct, etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i've always held onto that distinction as my idea of 'fascism''
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'from the viewpoint of the likely non-existent "God", even "fascism" is with uses'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i know that, it's a utility (or a whole toolbox possibly) that appears very effective'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'as Zaza Gabor said "at least the Nazis made the trains run on time"  -- Zaza was not too popular with some jews for that witticism'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'coincidentally, moments ago i realised an extra witticism -- the trains were transporting the jews to the camps.  when i first heard that, i merely thought "hmm, train punctuality", and not about what some of those trains were carrying.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'why mention the above: when looking at world problems, everything must be analysed without too many taboos -- note thqat even the bad things of history may've resulted in good things'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'if not for a lot of bad things, i'd not exist in this here body'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'horrid wars spurred a lot of modern technologies -- were those technologies possible wihout wars - perhaps - in a different world with more "decency"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'sometimes i contemplate "what would the world be like without WWI and WWII" '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'Well, as bad as the bombings of Hiroshima/Nagasaki were, and as much as I disagree with the necessity of that action, there haven't been any nuclear weapons used since.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'and if there is a god, was WWI and WWII required'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'before it all was more 'real' people with more peaceful lifestyles who's main problems were survival oriented, social drama's being resolved intrapersonally instead of institutionally, larger-scale outbursts mostly halted by the non-exiled approach to living that they had - is what i'd expect, now basically everybody's assimilated into a uniculture exoskeleton under which they're mutually exclusive of being the meat on the bones that guide the social muscles for or against certain parts of the body, which is too large and cumbersome to take care of them all :-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"so if that was the answer, what was the question"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"uniculture exoskeleton" - unlikely'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'Yeah, culture hasn't merged. Values are not uniform across populations. The problem is that states are still attempting to make one size fits all laws for huge territories, and  then acting surprised when it results in "gridlock".'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think back to times that aren't even recorded in history and try to see what kind of a grouping people would naturally become and how they would naturally solve problems and things like that, electing kings and things like that probably wasn't the earliest social construct around, but some kind of a guide probably was, not essentially immune to the collaberation of his tribe'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think diversity's a good thing, multiple nations and things like that, that's alright - especially if they're actual individuals who respect eachother's individuality'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seems that mostly people in charge of one place use it's resources to please somebody in another or to consume another'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that doesn't seem right to me, some call it their religion'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think even 'nationalism' is considered a threat in most literature, but why?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i understand the extremes and all, but people just wanting to retain some sovereign 'grouping', what's wrong with that if it's not trying to assimilate you into itself?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'Nation states never respect individuality, though. You can be an "individual" until you refuse to follow one of the laws or pay taxes, and then you're put in jail or forced to leave'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the tendancy is more specifity on rules, regulations and laws. Everyone is being forced to be good conforming collectivists'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'I know it's argued that there can be some kind of democratic input that makes "the law" equivalent to "the will of the people", but it doesn't actually work out that cleanly. '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep taking a vote on what's for dinner'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, nation is greater than a single member, to serve the nation etc, if the nation's an equal opportunity grouping of equals who share the burden that their leader participates in, then it's less of that no respect for individuality and more of that tribal concept i was considering'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'Personally I think things should be handled in this order: individual, then family, then community, and then way down the list, maybe not even on the list at all....national governments.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'understanding things together etc, much stronger than separating the duties of management and cooperation irrevocably - although there'll always be need for architect and scientist and doctor and not everybody would be apt enough to be those things, or even want to'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'Right, but you could have all of that organization and collaboration without the force and the threat of violence that the state brings.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'You don't have to point guns at anyone to tell them to eat food or have sex. Some things people just do naturally.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, that's what i think too - but being in control is something people love and see as survival of themselves guaranteed, instead of being another expendable which is a risk taken by lowering themselves down to the level of everybody else - alot of who harbour a dominant personality and would try to replace them on the podium if they tried (as they probably expect) which wouldn't solve anything'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'Yeah, definitely. We call those people sociopaths, and they're the ones most likely to run for political office.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'The answer has to involve the dispersion of power. It's like if you created the most powerful gun in the world, the people that love to manipulate and control others are going to do whatever it takes to get their finger on the trigger.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen the world, and alot of it appears highly unlikely to be by design of somebody who doesn't already have his finger on the trigger'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but it might be, i know people can be pretty corrupt judging from my own mind, and what i don't act on'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'Well, the proverbial gun already exists in every part of the world. Now we're just fighting over who gets to use it and who to point it at.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'The vast majority of the world's population has been conditioned to believe that violence is okay, as long as the person being violent is wearing a uniform or a badge, or as long as some legislation was passed that says it's okay.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, i've always been weary of authority figures, although i do see that some are pretty fair individuals - i'm also aware of how authority is abused'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i've heard tales of places where the law is the only criminals around, and people can't go to anybody but trying to be criminals to protect themselves from it'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's rather disgusting, but something ordinary to people, accepted by force'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the answer is "through the people, and what are the people to be educated with in terms of knowledge" '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'probably any cop would take his orders and arrest whoever they're told to arrest, without verifying the claims on the warrant or the destination of the prisoner - as long as it comes from a superior authority they conclude their service'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'doesn't matter what kind of a person that may be, where they go or anything like that, it's a problem with that non-community based inter/independence that i see - but something useful to that podium system'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'Yeah, which is why I roll my eyes whenever someone justifies their (or someone else's) actions with "I was just following orders" or "They were just doing their job"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'A lot of Nazi soldiers were just following orders, but we don't make excuses for them.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'precisely'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.usmessageboard.com/history/257410-mass-genocide-last-100-years-incl-holocaust-on-6-million-jews-13.html this is creepy with the image on Sallow's post (the wolf) -> there's a saying in a boy scouts manual i was reading awhile back goes along the lines of 'Always trusting the Old Wolf' -> with the faceless chain of command in mind'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'maaaan, psalm 109 is awesome.. looks like some people like century old curses to live in.. read the whole thing.. don't break into small paragraphs all the time..'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'claims david spoke of oblivion as I did'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'but the wording is "Land of forgetfulness"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'I don't even study this thing.. I just spur of the moment come upon it as if it was meant to be...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'I never wrote in a bible & never will highlight with loud color marker'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'And so I once heard a sicilian say in a mobster movie known as the american classic "Mobsters" (The Jews will betray you)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'here's somethin else strange'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'in my gideon copy.. the beginnin of that psalm starts on page "666"'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '4 officials supposedly out of jobs because of bludners in the run up to the Benghazi attack remain on the State Department payroll and will be back to work soon'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might want to sake a look at this: http://www.oregonlive.com/happy-valley/index.ssf/2012/12/halloween_decorations_carry_ha.html'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyone else think Marco Rubio should be banned from politics?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '25 coneshaped skulls were found in mexico, but they wont reveal the photos, because they don't want people to see how large the brain cavity is.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'crystal skulls, or just heads deformed via years of ritual?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They say it was ritual, but they still wont release the photos to prove it.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I suspect the brain cavities are larger than a humans, and they are afraid it might push more people into thinking of aliens.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why worry about people worrying about that?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'shrug, I think it is just crap anyways, but who knows.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty good sign that it's crap'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the skulls are over 1000 years ago and the govt says they are hispanic...but I don't think hispanic people were there 1000 years ago. :p'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they weren't'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they were real, they'd be plugging them for all they were worth for tourism and media coverage'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have always wondered if you could have an economy completely based on govt related jobs.  Everyone worked for the govt in some form or another.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the Boeing E-4 Advanced Airborne Command Post is a damn cool jet.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'To create the E-4 series, four Boeing 747-200 airframes were specially modified to serve as a survivable mobile command post for the National Command Authority, namely the President of the United States, the Secretary of Defense, and successors.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I wonder what they mean by survive :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I also wonder why they don't build survivable airframes for the paying customers.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/22/california-ban-gay-therapy-blocked Shannon Minter, legal director for the National Center for Lesbian Rights, which helped fight for the law's passage, said the measure's supporters shouldn't read too much into Friday's order.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess ome people in california were trying to start up a program where homosexuality is attemptedly psychologically overcome, and it was seen as a crime by the homosexuals'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't see the harm in it though, as long as it's not perverted or torturous, seems like a option people should be able to have to me'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's 'experimental' deemed quackery by the professional mental health community, which agrees with the homosexuals'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but, apparently some people got benefit from it'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''i think my x is gay, i don't know what to do?  i don't want them to be x' well, it's not so bad see, you just have to accept what you cannot change, it's natural - as our law against attempting to give you a option expresses'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but it's not perfect of course, i understand that 'quack psychology', but as long as it's not overly demeaning i wouldn't see the harm in it'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'unfortunately, powers beyond justice or logic seem to be the professionals in the world, and no public deliberation will take place'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's like the south park talent agency '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read conspiracy's before of a certain demographic's attempt to homosexualize and eradicate entire civilizations using psychology among other things'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and i must admit, seeing things like that makes me wonder just how much of a lie they were'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'People often ask me, in terms of my argument about "ten steps" that mark the descent to a police state or closed society, at what stage we are. I am sorry to say that with the importation of what will be tens of thousands of drones, by both US military and by commercial interests, into US airspace, with a specific mandate to engage in surveillance and with the capacity for weaponization  which is due to begin in earnest at the start of the new year  it means that the police state is now officially here. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/21/coming-drone-attack-america'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what do you think, they making that up?  '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57409759/drone-use-in-the-u.s-raises-privacy-concerns/  Unmanned aerial vehicles, a key weapon in the hunt for terrorists overseas, are coming to America. In February, President Barack Obama signed a bill that opens U.S. airspace to thousands of these unmanned aircraft. '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'for some arbitrary definition of terrorists'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Domestic drone use is here, and the meshing has begun: local cops in Grand Forks, North Dakota called in a DHS Predator drone  the same make that has caused hundreds of civilian casualties in Pakistan  over a dispute involving a herd of cattle. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/21/coming-drone-attack-america'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'As one of my readers put it, the scary thing about this new arrangement is deniability: bad things done to citizens by drones can be denied by private interests  "Oh, that must have been an LAPD drone"  and LAPD can insist that it must have been a private industry drone. For where, of course, will be the accountability from citizens buzzed or worse by these things? http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/21/coming-drone-attack-america'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen it all coming years ago'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'good. there's no fundamental difference between a manned machine and an unmanned machine'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'aside from the mannededness'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'assuming it's not propaganda or lies'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i just read it on the internet'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'it's not lies, but it's also not meaningfully bad'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, no fundamental difference between a microchip built in your own country and one built in somebody elses either'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'oh, here i have a room with 10,000 screens and a joystick'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'you can worry about privacy and spying, but worrying about the method used is ridiculous'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'time for some computer glitches to be worked out of the system'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as a concern that's the kind of a thing i see anyways, 'plausible deniability' etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i have reasons to look back on the nazi's and other governments that opposed these here new ones with a unbiased inquiry'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they were the enemies of this corruption, what kind of a corruption were they?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.' -- Mark 3:25'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'also seen some similarities in the appealing to the masses propaganda, it's almost like it's written by the same authors'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'oh well, if that's how it transpires i won't be kneeling down in a single file line beside a pit and taking a bullet in the bakc of the head like in the ww2 photo's'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe if drone's start to bomb people they'll tear down their antenna stations and limit their communicability or devise a way to shoot their satellites out of orbit'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. -- Isaiah 14:15'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'For by wise counsel thou shalt make thy war: and in multitude of counsellers there is safety. -- Proverbs 24:6 (hence why there's so many of them advisors advising your government, safety for them, not for you)'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'pearl harbour etc, mobilization - it's interesting conspiracy research papers'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who was 'the man' who deceived (weaken) the nations?  'How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!' -- Isaiah 14:12'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'interesting wording anyways, -> 'All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.  But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.' Is 14'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the kings 'lie' in glory, and lucifer 'is this the man who weakened (lied to) the nations?''
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it doesn't claim lucifer was lying outright, but it does state the kings were - who would be the ones sending people into their death here'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Germany now deporting elderly people to east asia/europe and possibly across the ocean to care facilities to 'save money' - while bill gates mentions 'death panels' as a way to save money for education, with the elderly among those chosen to die - however honest he was being'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/125193-2012-12-26-germany-deporting-elderly-to-foreign-retirement-homes.htm voila http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrJBY2l1MQQ '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but don't worry, it was a misinterpretation or a hoax, nothing to worry about in 'explaination pending' i'll continue to be a docile flockling'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's safety in serendipity'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Youll never get a clue whats being done to, and within, this country from the complicit mainstream media. But a KGB expert who defected to the good guys was explaining it for us back in the 80s. Yuri Bezmenov tried to warn us: http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/03/09/repost-former-kgb-agent-yuri-bezmenov-explains-our-four-stages-the-new-normal/'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Stage One: Demoralization  Elimination of American Exceptionalism, fundamental change of national identity, structural deconstruction of foundational principles, elimination of religion. Embedding a new societal design upon the psyche of generations through ideological academia. Peer pressure by elites upon academics and society to convince that prior values were inherently flawed, racist, prejudiced etc. National identity is diluted with aspersions toward historical references. National history is re-written, re-defined, and molded to fit the new intended behavioral model and create the new values. http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/03/09/repost-former-kgb-agent-yuri-bezmenov-explains-our-four-stages-the-new-normal/'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Stage Two: Crisis  Creation of economic, financial, and national security crisis. Also includes social crisis and breakdown of previous self-evident restrictions on moral behavior. Cloward Piven approach to overloading the system, ie more takers than producers. The crisis produces benevolent leaders who will promise to deliver things (Hope and Change) to meet peoples needs through Social and Economic Justice. False illusions that the situation is under control if certain strategic directions are followed (Bailouts, Stimulus, Jobs Bills, Regulations of industry, Unconstitutional Power Grabs, Dismissal of Historical Laws, Changes in legislative processes, Changes in checks and balances of power etc). http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/03/09/repost-former-kgb-agent-yuri-bezmenov-explains-our-four-stages-the-new-normal/'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Stage Three: Normalization  The uncomfortable feelings of change including losses of freedom are absorbed and accepted. Lost national identity becomes accepted as the norm within the new societal model. A period of national rebranding transition where people are so overwhelmed by the change they become numb and begin to accept a new normal. This period of normalization lasts indefinitely as the progression is continually advanced and acceptance takes place in small controlled doses. (New limits on behavior, Regulations, TSA Patdowns, Intrusions into privacy, Controls into daily life) These things begin to be accepted as just the way it is now.. http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/03/09/repost-former-kgb-agent-yuri-bezmenov-explains-our-four-stages-the-new-normal/'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Stage Four: Destabilization  Unlike the period of Crisis the people who helped orchestrate the change are now no longer needed. The new overarching centralized governmental model begins to take control. Leftist usurpers who initially thought they were going to be part of the new power structure begin to realize they were used and manipulated and they themselves become the new enemy. Because they have first hand knowledge of the agenda they are the primary target for elimination. They may simply be disregarded, obfuscated, thrown out, or they may be collected, imprisoned, or worse killed. There is no longer room for dissention. Dissent is only possible within the free system that has now been deconstructed. Therefore the leftist purpose is served once the destabilization is complete. Totalitarian Government takes control http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/03/09/repost-former-kgb-agent-yuri-bezmenov-explains-our-four-stages-the-new-normal/'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '"The one thing that actually works, state run communism a bit may not be your cup of tea, but their government works," he added.  http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-job-council-chairman-jeffrey-immelt-state-run-communism-works-china Appearing on Bloomberg television Monday evening, GE CEO Jeffrey Immelt praised the Chinese economic system and said that state-run communism works in China, the Washington Free Beacon reported.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's kind of weird isn't it, conspiracy from the 1980's like that, i guess they was just predicting inevitable things that would happen without any intervention though'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if there can be seen any tangents to reality in it, depends how you see things i guess'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'what government most closely resembles that of the star trek next gen government. "'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'that is the government I want'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'hmm, none of them, too arrogant'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe the romulans'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's a communist state, but no real communist state has ever existed.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Biff: 'in ST and TNG...how did they make it so all the lazy people actually wanted to work?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'slave colonies were on alien planets liberated by the fleet'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'I think they got rid of money and replaced it with the desire to accumulate respect and honor'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's a nice idea. Never gonna work.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Biff: 'but that doesnt change the fact that a lot of people perfer handouts rather than actually doing work'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it worked before the international roman empire though'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'back before charlamagne herded up the ancestors in concentration camps and taught them the salvation of lord'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Biff: 'it seemed like everyone did their job cuz thats what you had to do...just never find that huge human flaw'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Pretty much everyone at work, my relatives etc has been sick over the holidays. I've managed to dodge it so far... maybe it's the extra vitamin D I've been taking.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'It also might have something to do with people living SO much longer now and having kids so much later... so much time to kill...'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they lived 950 years in the days of methusaleh bible story'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But have you been taking vitamin D. At least here in sweden, 80% of people are deficient over the winter.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Biff: 'but they also had to deal with talking bushes'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'mis again'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'mumble'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they had more interactive hands on self-governing autonomous lifestyles then though'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'well, limited communication and travel speed will cause that'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even that shangrila place existed in china at one time, they weren't always a bossy bunch of slavewhipping warmasters'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so that got assimilated into the progress of their civilization, along with some peaceful people i read about being eradicated by genghis khan back then for not going to war for him'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nepal i think it was'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so, people weren't always as rotten as this'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Biff: 'but rotten is really the problem...its the fact that people will always try to do the least amount of work possible'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Biff: 'ppl will try to lie cheat and steal to get things rather than doing what is good for all man kind.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah?  there's a job worth 8 hours of your day for 50 years in increasing competition against the people who want it in the automated world, which could have been distributed among 1000 times as many people'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'If you could detect someones motivation levels in the womb just after conception, you could always abort them and create a perfect, boring society'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'doing as little work as possible, sharing the burden etc, that's not cost effective'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'we got machines for that now'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but, that's a more relaxed version of progress that is superior in my opinion'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Biff: 'sharing the burden is an efficient way of doing things. i'm saying when people are not looking to be efficient but rather reap the most beneifits for themselves before the greater good'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Biff: 'why anyone with a red shirt would ever beam down onto the planet...when you knew you'd die. but you just did it cuz thats what you gotta do'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'hehe'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Biff: 'now thats communism for ya'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'societies are communistic by definition.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: '"trouble below, better send the captain, first officer, chief medical officer and first navigator'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I think what's needed are the men in white suits with the butterfly nets.'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the end is death whether or not they beamed down for the people down there, isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Biff: 'well only for the guy in red'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or are you gonna win the raffle draw heaven entrance, take a gamble, have lots of bastards, 27 million or more and at least one of you will survive on'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'although heaven resembles hell'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seeing nature as god created it in the perfect dimensions of new jerusalem mentioned in book of revelation'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'I'll probably, someday, just close my eyes and sleep forever. It'll be great. '
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'probably'
T3/r7/2012-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: '...or die in some horrible accident, I guess that is the alternative...'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more than 1 in 3 kids in America live with only 1 parent'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'single parents or divorcees?'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'single parents'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'boy, the state certainly did a number on the family, didn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same thing happened with church, destroy all old-fashioned ethics and morals in society, and replace with government-controlled mass media'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still, you guys are ok, you've got Obama as daddy and Holdren as mommy'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, they've release a LGBT-friendly version of the bible called the "Queen James Bible"'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't like your holy text? rewrite it. After all, that's what all religions have done since the inception of religion'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'how was 1Cor6:9-10 translated in the QJV '
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably rewritten to include man on man action'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably involved Jesus and Matthew wearing gimp suits'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'specifically the section of 1Cor6:10  "Nor the effeminate nor liers with mankind ..."'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'people are awfully choosy with the bible'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some folk like a fire and brimstone flavor to the scriptures'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and lots of condemnation, and casting of unrepentent sinners into the lake of fire'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'netflix sucks....they need to spend their money on buying license rights to large movie company libraries instead of crap on showtime or stars.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I'm dreaming of a white donkey.......'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''female equality' in islam (not looking at indonesians in americarabia) Iran sacks sole female minister Dastjerdi from health post http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20853142 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benazir_Bhutto , it's not surprising though since women are subhumans in the bible that they'd be subhumans in real life too, squeezing out the children of god with penises'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're subhuman in all countries'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why they have been screwed over in the west by feminism'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if i was female i'd go and get raped by everybody i hate and then mutilate my babies haha, that'd teach em'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'and Chemosh is cast into the lake of fire'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm just kidding, maternal instinct's too strong for craziness like that, i was raised on horror movies'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'kidding like that may get you in serious trouble irl -- fortunately the internet is anonymous (unless the authorities are watching)'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'really, that's a serious trouble kidding how?  starling talking about baking loaves'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they might think you were talking about gassing jews'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can guarantee you i can find over 10 million instances of more offensive 'kiddings' that're released by people/companies in the authority's land'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the jews killed jesus :('
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like the bread, he rose again'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'maternal instincts are not that strong -- the "Discovery Investigation" channel features actual crime stories of humans at their depraved'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lots of yeast.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah?  well, maybe not always - but how come jason vorhees and michael myers and john wayne gacy all seem to have been linked?  to evil clowns and 2 victims?'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there on your ethical highhorse, you should know what is socially acceptable 'x-rated' entertainment context, especially when including the gacy inspiration in hindsight'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'which they leave out of the movies'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or how about 'serious trouble' the man in new york city who had a cannibal supper in his fridge, which was pretty familiar to the albert fish the movie grayman is about, which was possibly viewed by the cannibal '
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they's inspired by something entertaining that wasn't an 'occupy protest' fbi 1920 broadway musical'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not responsible for people who can't take a joke, any more than the mass-media is for being one - they're alot more guilty than me'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'at least mine include some explaination'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'in terms of freedom of incorrect speech:  England << Canada << USA'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's ok until the secret service turn up and section you for badmouthing obama'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'political correctness, appeal to emotion, 'distinct fascism' (do you appear correct or feel correct?), useful idiot'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is all very well, but in short order, they'll be the only ones with guns'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see the kind of stupidity that survived world war 2'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'those that produce films and tvshows are likely advised by lawyers as to what is permissible'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'with lots of money comes lots of freedom'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nah, they're advised by lobbiests who promote the pornography industry in light of prostitution and things like job opportunities paying for education degrees in the ghetto (in the film 'a unfinished film' begs the question, why is it unfinished?)'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as it says in proverbs about having many political advisors is safety, for who's foreign god?'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they can shove their money up their hypocrite asses, i respect their authority as much as a hole in the head'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's a good christian thing to 'do unto others as you would have others do unto you', i'd never be that arrogant so i guess i'm an experiment'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Israel has enough oil and gas underneath it to last 2000 years with no imports.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'And that doesnt even include the offshore oil and gas.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'that christian motto is either defective or badly stated'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'canada did too, but canada's not very sovereign like war veterans fought for the freedom of'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''the nazi's are coming' - the reich never has and never will have any interest in the west - adolf declares war on poland speech'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but, the communists did come..'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they got that much right'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'boring and irrelevant '
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil is good.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''tomorrow never dies' 100 year media contracts in china!'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'interesting movie theme isn't it, propaganda like 'syria danny''
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he lives in england i guess'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'now they have that grey haired reporter keeping them honest television program'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'if the Nazis wanted oil, they should've went through North Africa from the get go -- and invaded and taken England while England was weak'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know, kind of funny like the characters on the news'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the obvious ethnicity of some of them has to make you wonder too, bolshevik communist parties'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nazi's owned the cannibal 'mafia island' until 1915, (germans did rather)'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they might have stopped eating eachother while they were there'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'progress set them back on their course though'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''who rewrites history' and why are there laws against 'questioning history'?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_Fischer In 1949, at the first post-war German Historians' Congress in Munich, Fischer strongly criticized the Lutheran tradition in German life, accusing the Lutheran church of glorifying the state at the expense of individual liberties and thus helping to bring about Nazi Germany.[3] Fischer complained that the Lutheran church had for too long glorified the state as a divinely sanctioned institution that could do no wrong, and thus paved the way for National Socialism.[4] Fischer rejected the then popular argument in Germany that Nazi Germany had been the result of the Treaty of Versailles, and instead argued that the origins of Nazi Germany predated 1914, and were the result of long-standing ambitions of the German power elite.[1]'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'In the 1950s, Fischer was the first historian who examined all of the Imperial German government archives in their entirety and as a result, as the American Klaus Epstein noted when Fischer published his findings in 1961, he instantly rendered obsolete every book previously published on the subject of responsibility for the First World War, and German aims in that war'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i see alot of catholic meddling in it'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Fritz Fischer is obviously on the fritz and kaput'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'be interesting to see who his colleagues were and what kind of works they produced'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Fischer is jewish name, and thus Fischer is biased and to be trusted'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'epstein had a wife from russia though from what i see in 'histiography''
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaus_Werner_Epstein'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Klaus Epstein sounds extremely biased and blatant antinazi-nutter -- unless Chemosh is perverse-paraphrasing what Fischer and Epstein actually said '
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'extremely bad biased logic there by Fischer and Epstein'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm just interested in how come it's illegal to question history, who the people were who (re)wrote it and what is their agenda'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seen some common ground there though like you, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epstein is one of the oldest Jewish family names in the Slavic countries.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'more likely though, Chemosh is misquoting Fischer and Epstein '
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'can't misquote them from somebody elses misquotes, that's quoting somebody else'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i didn't write the wikipedia webpages'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they include a bibliography at the bottom/reference'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'if Chemosh is accurately quoting Fischer and Epstein, then Fischer and Epstein are a disgrace to academia'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'ah, the Wikipedia pages on Nazis and Germany are badly biased'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zela suspects that the founder of Wikipedia is jewish
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'bibliographies are not necessarily honest'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Christian-nutters were previously caught at being dishonest with errored bibliographical references when attempting to support "creationism" and or "intelligent design"'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can theorize either to be possible using philosophy from other religions, like the process you take to build the dreams you have being mysterious'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but it's not rooted in material reality and therefor not absolutely known to be fact as stated in the bible'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'by me'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'there is a lot of blatant dishonesty in some religious and controversial topics, especially in references and bibliographies'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the Obama-haters are deliberately dishonest'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't hate obama, i think it's good to dispel amnesia regarding who somebody is when somebody's in control of vast swathes of life though, and if explaination to inquiry isn't prominent then you end up with people like you, not providing reasons why not instead focusing on the inability of others to see what you don't'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i noticed that most things can be explained on earth though, people who violently suppress opponents reached that place where they know they're wrong'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'because common sense can defeat fascism in alot of 'appeals' '
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or truth rather'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hate obama, i'm not dishonest, deliberately or otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's like those two books that were never written, 'reasoning with rabies' and 'the death of reason' laws against history or otherwise'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i fail to see how people can't 'liken' some powerful people to rabid animals'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts prods Zela into action!
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'presenting an unbiased view on some topics may be seen as illegal in Canada, so nope, Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not afraid of going to prison for my opinion, the people sending me there are just doing their jobs for a master who thinks of them as nothing but pawns - and if they don't see that then i have right to defend myself against the enemy who becomes clearer every day - mocking human life might have been ok in ancient rome but this is supposed to be a civilized nation'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read of people locked up in gulag death camps for 7 years, and not testifying to what they did not do'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'things like that, i'm aware what kind of people run this place'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'so Fischer criticises the nationalistic Lutherns -- Fischer likely did not criticise the nationalistic Zionists -- a biased double-standard'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fortunately i'm not in Canada'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Tigernuts, you said that England was even more censorship-muzzle-happy than the USA'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not only nationalist zionists, but also against the old testament, 'worshipping foreign gods, multitude of advisors, xploitation of the poor (intellectually or otherwise)'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'unless you expect everywhere is called israel or arabia and worship of jehovah and allah is in accordance with the old testament everywhere'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'USAmericans are permitted to be more homophobic than Canadians'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and those advisors who advise your government aren't serving a foreign land'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'what is an USAmerican?'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'criticising the christian old testament is okay'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Quelz, you certainly do not represent USAmericans'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Sheesh, we can't even get a $14 billion natgas pipeline built in Alaska, and here is Russia finishing up a $25 billion pipeline in Siberia to provide oil and gas to japan, philipines, and other asian nations.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'stop saying USAmericans please... it doesnt make sense'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'wise USAmericans are more likely to prefer to keep that natgas in the ground for later years'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know what other proof is required, but i'll keep on finding it most likely, reason why i never condemned germany absolutely as a victorious eradication, seeing how this corrupt world of lies of the enemy united against them'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but they likely had their caveats too, like any country - earlier than the nazi's was another germany too - i wonder about them sometimes, but even then there's likely some intellectually eradicated nations of higher rationality which were exterminated since then and before then'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the north slope of Alaska has enough natgas and oil to provide the use with 20% of its oil needs for at least 100 years, by then we will be using fusion power.....might as well tap the resources now before they become worthless.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even if they're still standing, they had their brains removed/infiltrated and replaced'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'USA that is.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'fusionpower is currently a myth or folklore or scifi'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh sure, that is why the $12 billion fusion power test plant is being built in Europe, because it is scifi myth.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'in the future fusion miniplants appear in our pockets by themselves.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the scifi tvseries "Eureka" uses deliberately unbelievable Faux-science and is extremely bad-viewing for children and immature uneducated adults'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Warehouse-13 is also ludictous science-fiction'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'ludicrous'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nuclear power makes logical sense, but americans are afraid of everything, so chances are it wont be expanded.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'world nations likes people to think themselves expendable nothings using selfishness as justification for their abuse and extermination'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'quit being selfish, you're hindering progress in your extermination complaints'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the gospel even goes so far as to inform the god-forsaken readers of apple-sin that 'god has set the rulers of your land on their high places' as does hinduism inform corollery (smrti) 'a fool' hates his leader, while at the same time the 'fool' deals kindly with his enemy'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'fusionpower is also likely to produce radioactive waste'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how stupid is that?  utterly stupid, but at least they show the contrary, 'serve none but god alone''
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Chemosh seems to be suffering from religious-beliefs'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nah, i'm showing religious exploitation, and how to refute it through the very religions it comes from'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nothing godly about alot of the things included in them'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'unless god's the king's who weren't lucifer in the book of isaiah, who were stated to be liars in the text itself'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'is Chemosh no longer suffering from the delusion that the Bible is the inspired word of some "god" '
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it might be, but i seen alot of evidence that it's a human conspiracy too'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm picking out the methodology and tactics used by the enemy and seeing if that's what they really are'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'hinduism and the bible (smrti) of hinduism / bible at any rate, being almost identical in concept (hypocritical/contrarian, yet self condemning) 'akin' to the selfish victims of the enemy'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'shows that both religions had similar precepts in those particular verses of slavery'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so there's a common infiltrator of ancient texts in both india and israel (as old as they really are)'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'likely'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who's motives (in the smrti) were to do like i'm saying about the justification of selfishness (to me)'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'religiously though, making holy the enemy'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who was referred to in a couple places there'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so, gotta figure out when those books were actually invented, who the governments were at the time, which government's influenced which others'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like rome or britain (which was once part of rome)'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'ancient bibles were political stories containing fictional mythologies'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'egypt was a little earlier, but somewhere they had their origins, a philosophy of government control of the masses'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'which was added to religions'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '12 years ago, the US imported 96% of its natgas....now it imports only 22%, and from Canada.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'china might have books from 1500-2000 bc stored in it'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so they probably know the 'deception is the art of war' of the situation better than most, unless they were pillaged entirely sometime since then'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wrote the Art of War.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'You should update it'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'did you also find the fountain of youth?'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, the Art of War II bombed in the theatres.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'pretty sure art of war 2 and 3 were straight to dvd/cable, no theatres'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'here's one that really resembles slave-rome -> 'Ephesians 6:5 Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ' -> interesting isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my point exactly.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'rewritten -> '
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'can't bomb in theatres when you're not released in them'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'rewritten -> Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Sure you can.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it was released in a church theatre, but no one showed up.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so there they're invalidating christ himself, since they're saying their devil-master is to be treated as christ'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so very religious isn't it?  but that's what people have in their thoughts preventing them from doing what should be done'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the 'just as you would obey Christ' is a tricky one'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'like Paul's writings on husband/wife relationships'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If someone only gives orders when necessary, and always gives perfect orders, obedience isn't such a terrible burden'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well yes, it's not. The problem is that it sort of sets up the husbands as infallible, God-like figures whose every whim is to be obeyed as if it were graven on stone by a deity.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'shouldn't it be that way ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Paul also holds husbands to the standard of Christ (ie. perfection)'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'here's one of the most obvious hypocrisy of all -> (Matthew 23:9) And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I do know some people who have a relationship like that and are very happy. I also know others who have left a relationship like that after being terribly unhappy for years.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even according to their own book they in the open defy the bible, you can find catholic and other justification articles on this subject'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. -- Matthew 6:6'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Assuming a reasonable interpretation of the overall texts, there won't be much left to complain about, as far as I can see.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'does that resemble islam and most bible-churches on earth?'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'also, 'avoid vain repetitions' hypocrisy included'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It's not as though Jesus goes around giving orders about what we're supposed to have for dinner'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '(Matthew 6:7) But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'now you don't even have to look in the world for hypocrisy on this one'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '(Matthew 6:9) After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'repeat repeat repeat'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada looks at Chemosh ponderingly.
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nevereven minding the hypocrisy in the world, it's right in the bible'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i only defend the non-malevolent nature of christianity as a religion, compared to others which sever limbs, demand taxes from france and crucify unbelievers'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what kind of a set of truth it has, that's mostly pick and choose what seems 'heavenly knowledge' and what is worldly to me'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even the sexist bishop -> http://news.yahoo.com/calif-catholic-bishop-resigns-says-2-kids-145729758.html here's a married catholic bishop, fired for being married -> but every single version of the gospel i read says a bishop is a priest with a wife'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'kiddie fondlers are pretty common though aren't they?  interesting group of people they are, like the lutheran conspiracy'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The Catholic Church does have some beliefs and practices that you'd be hard pressed to locate in your Bible :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's impossible that those churches represent other than satan's mockery of the stupid (or rather, the kings who lied while lucifer didn't in isaiah)'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and their ignorant fear of eternal damnation'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'sadly that is true for pretty much any denomination'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or beyond the forever, their worldly gain connections made through the church'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and what's it say about kiddie fondlers in the gospel they represent? -> (Luke 17:2) It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'endless hypocrisy, from a book that includes in itself alot of contradictions to it's own claims'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'before even being taught in the world'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but.. that's that benevolent defense, i agree with that and islam believes in christ'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so they say'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so i don't justify their crucifixion dismemberment slave culture either - that you see on the news'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just a matter of separating the religion from the world '
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see more media in canada about a quebec nazi the kgb (trustworthy) provided evidence against for the b'nai b'rith in canada for burning down a barn, which a scribe was there to record naturally, for 'future generations' - than the islamic people actually doing that today and yesterday and the yesterday before'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen how they handle information there'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '0 mention at all of the phillipeans in western media, and their islamic murder of 100,000 unbelievers as they created their new breakaway state there, in their land of immigration'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'also, they're quick to judge the jehovah's witness 'college religion' of the early 1900's(1920's) but not too quick to point out the rewritten quran released in egypt in the 1926'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'according to some claims i seen'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '1920 = invention of muslim brotherhood, now in egypt'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'libya/soon syria ? and other places'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how come the jewish media missed this man?'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haj_Amin_al-Husseini they care so much about antisemitism'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how come none of your doomsday prophet cults discovered genesis 9:11, mandatory circumcision from 1960-1990 (or so) and revelation 17:15?'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'interesting mixture isn't it?  or how come your intelligence agency added in a joke where the phone number listed on a movie about the watergate scandal belonged to 'alexander the great plumbing'?'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'wasn't rudolf hess frome gypt too?'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'interesting, and schooled by catholics in turkey says the other guy'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so, who's in charge of it all?'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'man, sure lots of gun crimes lately, now an accident happened where a toddler shot himself in the chest according to the news'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people should keep their guns away from children obviously'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'clearly the gun's fault for not being locked up properly'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's unfortunate things like that happen, but also unfortunate that they're not better parents'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no legislating against stupid people'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there has been in the past, who defines stupid usually relies on people taking orders they don't understand (which is fascism/stupidity) to enact their judgement though'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'eugenics of retards is a mensa fabian socialism antiquity after hunting for witches and demons'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no fabian society, you must be a racist'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'doesn't matter if they're retarded or not, as long as some people get exterminated is population control, like the religious view of 'unbeliever/infidel' and the eugenicists view of 'subhuman/liability''
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'both are tools to the same end, and that's what their master uses them for'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all fairly stupid though, For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. (Galatians 3:26)'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'taken in certain contexts can be an applicable concept to non-religious systems as well as religious'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Facebook is purging accounts that carry pro-second ammendment and pro-libery information'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'any proof tiger?'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://tinyurl.com/c78flgk'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'new story about it'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'rofl, except its on Infowars'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tasty Tipro is agreeing with that The River Styx person again...
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'considerably more reliable than CNN'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'hahahahahaa'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I just looked at cnn. It's l'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'loaded with anti-gun articles'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well duh, government media'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'not to mention its not purging 'pro-second amendment' accounts, it purged a select few accounts of radical political activists that were probably making over the top and asinine statements via facebook.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh? many of those mentioned in the article are mainline journo's'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'and thats even IF they really got purged.  Talk about agenda sponsored journalism.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ever noticed how stupid the people on the news are and treat subjects?  consider the interview earlier for instance, the media defense of publishing people's information being 'irrespective pursual of immediate issues awareness' or something like that, but where's phillipeans or other 'irrespective' deliberations on the media?'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so there they have an arguement against the media's ability to freely pursue topics, while already they were censored'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that particular 'freedom' was pretty controversial i suspect - i see on google though there is quite a few sites of 2nd amendment on facebook'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well if you bother to read the article it's about blocks being placed due to content'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which means facebook now find pro-2nd ammendment topics objectionable'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Facebook almost certainly use a similar filtration system to Youtube, which means it doesn't consider context'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's pretty well documented that Facebook is merely a handy information collection point for the NSA'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it shouldn't be surprising that they tailor their terms and conditions according to the agenda of the government'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'it's all public information. Don't put out what you don't want them to find'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'there's no problem with the gov't looking at public info'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that includes private posts'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'well that's different'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen news reports of government funded 'bots' adding themselves to peoples friend lists, and then facebook getting off the hook for breaking the law'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'no such thing as private posts'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not to them it's not'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they didn't see it neccessary to inform which facebook people had government-sponsored bot friends on their pages'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'They are owned by Facebook, they aren't private, and people who assume they are are idiots.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i personally won't use it, but people see it as a public platform'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people/users*'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but with their policy of 'plausible deniability' the government does (as far as i could see) every crime you can think of'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and even if they did it openly, the court is the government and wouldn't take itself to court - as jesus says 'a house divided against itself, how shall it stand?' one communist there?  or suspect?'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'says the entire hierarchy of control'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i seen about it anyways - it was all official media, not all conspiracy infowars'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what my opinion's based on'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bit of luck you'll see Facebook tank in a year ot so'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no such thing as "official media"'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless you happen to live in North KOrea'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'possibly China'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no?  state-media is present in china and all kinds of places, sometimes it's even more honest than non-state media, where they don't have to hide'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but being politically correct is a requirement in any western media outlet, certain issues are untouchable unless promoting a certain bias'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that does not make it "official media"'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'especially in the news, which actually influences people'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my national news has to be decoded through political bias prisms, if i want foreign news I have to go to foreign media, since nothing outside the UK really gets on UK news'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, pops saw my university on the bbc when some lunatic shot it up :p'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, they love anti-gun stories here, props up the myth that gun control has brought down violent crime... (when it hasn't)'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'likewise you see very very little news coverage of attrocities and bombings in countries where we've helped American blow up innocent brown people, such as Libya, Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan. No idea why they'd want to keep that quiet'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'guessing gets their attention though doesn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they have nothing to hide they wouldn't be threatening people who wonder if they do'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'truth versus lies , lies only win when stupidity is exalted'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'CNN hire foreign criminals and fire journalists for reporting on the brutality of the Bahraini government on protestors'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is central african republic the place where they lay down their guns as long as france gives them free money?  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/protesters-target-french-embassy-in-central-african-republic-8431788.html  A smaller group of protesters, mainly youths linked to the ruling party, gathered outside the U.S. Embassy and stoned cars carrying white passengers, the reporter said.'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://ca.news.yahoo.com/anti-rebel-protestors-attack-french-embassy-central-african-143503013.html'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read something about, agreeing to lay down arms as long as they get free money, otherwise they're 'open to dialogue' while doing this here stuff - it's basically paying your enemy to not kill people - from what i could gather'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'islams and black nationalists on the rise, it's a funny situation for liberals'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm amazed that you never heard a whiff of the philipeans on the western media, 100,000 'unbelievers' murdered by their islam immigrants, who have no developed a new country in the south of the (phillipeans)'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cause they were 'open to dialogue' while not receiving their taxes'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i see in it anyways, eventual slavery/communism death camps etc, just because of how maleable society conforms to hate'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'also sheds light on the bbc article of last year, about the harm to befall (strained relations) europe if charity's don't continue sending their charity money'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's where most of it almost guaranteed goes, to those racist / religious devils and other communist developments'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they reinvest it in the corruption of your soceity, how your good intentions are utilized monetarily'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sort of like china's doing in parts of canada, usurping the population '
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so i consider it communist-like, although it might just be a more sustainable conquering strategy older than any of that'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if ever in history was justification for extermination, it's never so present as it is today - in comparison'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'notice the same strategy employed on the preacher in florida in the mass-media, which seems to support people like in CAR, if you burn our holiest of lord book we will burn down churches, slaughter and rape unbelievers and crucify people'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so naturally, america doles out it's freedom 'mafia tax' to the black nationalist islam communist party instead of telling them to shove it'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'of course they don't show with the preacher's condemnation the phillipeans, 100,000 murdered and raped unbelievers of death-camp communist black nationlism islam'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the new country their 'dialogue' resulted in, the peaceful islams offering a solution for these deviant terrorists'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'oh, they do that anyways?  really, so i guess burning books is just a excuse'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'from that you can see what the end of submission will be'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you 'remove the banana's from your ears''
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but keep on protecting saudi arabia's oil and all that, more important problems there than survival'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''what's the strategy' i'm missing that results in anything beneficial?'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''they're untouchable' African Mafia branching out across Canada  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eMHEOy2db8'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'we know they're criminals but we just don't have any proof, let them spread this untouchable, (what's the name of that african mafia)'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'stupid liberal shit'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i forget the name of this one african mafia though, it had connections to alot of people'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'do you know it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'fucked if i'd sell my freedom for liberalism, i prefer safety over slavery'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it's them or me, it's them'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't have to justify them very much to myself - but i can smell one of them from one of their race who isn't them'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'notice africans and jews, 'don't criticize me your racist', both exploit white stupidity to enslave them and get away with their crimes'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what theya re, i can provide a list of their crimes that would justify the white crimes'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and i'll be as racist as them, although not including those who aren't them but of their race, but inclusive if that's the way it has to be'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'll die before i worship their claims to my life :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and then i'll be free, haunting their chapels'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Woo, a new 758 megawatt natgas power plant is has begun construction in northern Texas.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and wind turbines provide 10.2 % of the power needs in Texas now, which is about 22% of the installed wind power turbines in the US.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's pretty decent. You'd think solar would be big in texas, is it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not really, the state doesnt have net metering except in the austin area.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Too bad, solar PV is pretty much at a level now where it can compete without subsidies.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You can negotiate with the power company for net metering though, and they might do it, but they are not required to do it.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, in Texas the installed cost per watt is $6.10.....'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is still pretty expensive compared to wind and natgas.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Probably because there isn't a lot of competition, because of lack of net metering. '
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Most of that cost is installation, not the PV cells themselves.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'natgas is booming here though.....the first of 2 768 megawatt plants has begun construction.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and coal has dropped by about 20% the last 5 years here.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, natgas and coal is never going to be a long term solution. Solar pv and wind will be part of a long term solution.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nuclear is also expanding in Texas....the only state with the balls to build more.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, nuclear can be used in the semi long term, like 10k years or so :D'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, in the US, natgas is considered a long term solution now....ie more than 30 years.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I would consider that short term... but I am no politician.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we currently produce more natgas then we can use right now thanks to shale gas.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Michael Moore, the self propelled stomach says If you are a gun owner, you 're racist'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'LA authorities set up guns for groceries scheme to take advantage of abject poverty'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'interesting take on things TN'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what it is'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its a voluntary buyback program'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it wasn't voluntary, they wouldn't be offering groceries'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm confused'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'your last statement might need to be reworded'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the gun "buyback" was mandatory, they wouldn't need to offer incentive'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'okay, but this is voluntary therefore everyone is happy'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'he lives in that part of the world where the uneducated are "taken advantage of" by govts offering to educate them, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's also pretty sick to cling to guns when you can't afford groceries'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's great until people start stealing guns in order to hand them in'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'look at it another way, if you can't afford food, you are likely to steal'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'almost guaranteed actually'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if you have a gun....'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but really, it's preying on the weak, social engineering by a malevolent government'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but really, it's preying on the weak, social engineering by a malevolent government'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the free market is social engineering as well isn't it'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'FM 3-39.40'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to an extent'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I suppose the crazy half of the so-called libertarians want govt to stop preying on the weak by abandoning them to their own devices. Typical.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'is that a bible verse? or a radio station ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'being facetious on the last part :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'free market isn't authoritarian'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'neither is this'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you are not being forced to sell you guns for food'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they will be'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's the "free market"'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'in the truest sense of the term'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is all preamble'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'someone offers you an additional choice! What awful tyranny!'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'slippery slope is also a logical fallacy'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'concepts and ideas have to stand on their own merits'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's you screwed then'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'gun buybacks != forced disarmament'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you exist in a bubble?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'nope, live in the real world'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then how are you not hearing the wardrums on liberal media and the proposed solutions coming out of the politicians?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the proposed solutions are bogus and milquetoast at best'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they "might" get an assault weapons ban'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'emphasis on might'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it does not thing but makes people feel good'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'some feel bad'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'people are not internally consistent'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'just twist their ideals to defend whatever they want'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'by the pro gun arguments, barring Iran from obtaining a nuke is foolhardy'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '"they will just do it another way"'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'plus we have a "good" guys with guns'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'i.e. USA w/ nukes'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have no mandate to barr Iran from anything'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I know'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is what I am saying'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so... your argument is... offering these guys a choice is tyranny or something because someone in a completely different area of influence might be thinking of doing something rather unrelated...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, sonshi, they can do what they like, but it -is- manipulation'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and inter vaginal ultrasounds are not?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i -detest- social engineering by governments'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yes, yes, offering people extra choices is cruel, sick, twisted manipulation. Alright. Backing away now...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi runs away in utter terror!
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they had a choice before now'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'society socially engineers everyone'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody forced them to buy the gun in the first place'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you might have legit points on other aspects of the gun debate, this isn't one of them'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'this is giving people incentive to do what you want = society'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing illegitimate about pointing out propoganda when you see it'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what THEY want, yes'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'otherwise no one cleans shit up, or waits in line or does anything they dont want to do'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'everyone does what society as a whole wants on average in one way or another'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i disagree'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its built into humanity, why do you speak english?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why did you not learn french or german or something else'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'because to be accepted in your society you have to learn the language, no one told you this as a toddler'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the government didn't dictate to my parents to teach me english'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but your parents never asked you either'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then the comparison isn't valid'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they incetivised you learning english to get what you want more effectively'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they didn't do anything'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they responded to your requests'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the government didn't'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'let me digress, the heart of the matter is they want to reduce the amount of guns in circulation'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what about offering tips for turning in criminals'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'is that social engineering?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'excuse me rewards'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's police state, ask anyone who lived in East Germany'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'is UK, AUS, or a multitude of other countries a police state?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the US might be a police state but not because they are taking away guns voluntarily'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK is pretty close to it'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'more for the highest incarceration rate in the world'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and unchecked police powers'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK is certainly a surveillance state'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Police have unchecked powers here because we have no constitution'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why are elements of the liberal media trying to make the gun issue a race issue?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'conveniently no answer'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'is this one of those "why did you stab your own mother" type questions?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was a pretty simple question'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so, why did you stab your own mother? It's a simple enough question!'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'good answer...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't answer the question i posed, though'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the "racism" meme seems to pop up anywhere someone disagrees with the socialist/liberal/collectivist line'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't want mandatory healthcare? you're a racist, don't want legalised gay marriage? you're a racist, don't want more gun control? you're a racist'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you hear the edit-job the media did on the trayvon martin case?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'must be quite a trip, living on the borderlands of fascistia and communistonia'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm just telling you what your media are saying'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your tax dollars are funding this!'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it's not like they could just ignore the fact that the dead guy was black...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'erm, they editted together the 911 call to make it sound racist, quite deliberately'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in criminal cases they often mention the race, whether white black or purple'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, okay, I suppose all brits are murderous swine, since I heard of a murder case that one time...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have media that is biased and does dodgy things too, a bunch just got arrested, one left the country to escape arrest, you might have heard of him, he's called Piers Morgan'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you must be among the minority of people who still trust corporate media, that's why it's all dying'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yes yes, random right wing sites are more reliable, blah blah, 911 was a setup, nasa never got to the moon...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heard all that before'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you hear what you want to hear'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you tax what you don't'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'am i the only one who things the fiscal cliff is hype?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sadly, the only thing that proves the effectiveness of reality based thinking is... reality.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi runs away in utter terror!
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perception of reality is implicitly biased'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, as far as the fiscal cliff goes, krugman has a pretty good description of the effects...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is what'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the deficit will shrink, the economy will get worse. Not the end of the world'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's the one line summary anyway'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't sound like much of a hike, to me'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hike?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"rise"'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'ah the Treyvon Martin case, the media made it sound like George Zimmerman mentioned the race on his own when the 911 operator asked... but that question was editedout of the medias's report, talk about misleading'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thankyou, Andurien'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the only thing rising from the fiscal cliff is taxes...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'liberal media wanted the public to believe that the guy was shot because he was black'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the tax hikes aren't huge, sonshi, the budget cuts are tiny'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'obviously it depends on your definition of huge...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the impact is serious, but not critical'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it takes tax es back to 2002 levels'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which would not normally have a large impact'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but for the liquidity trap'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Andurien waits for Sonshi's response to his comment about the Treyvon Martin case...
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll be waiting a while, Andurien'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'left wing government agenda is a conspiracy theory according to him'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, yeah, new media trying to sell news, how shocking. Everytime they try to make a profit, they must obviously be partisan, blah blah blah'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're government funded, Sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure, sure'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're having trouble with that reality thing again?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'when the right wing is in control of the govt, the media are evil corporatist liberals, when the left is in control, the media are evil govt liberals. Heard all that before...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'what gets me, is how many liberals I know are just left wing zombies... never question YOUR side, just fight the opposition.  I used to be a right wing zombie, but now I don't trust right OR left.  Queston it all!'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'NBC, ABC, NYT< Washington Post have all received funds from liberals'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's MAINSTREAM MEDIA'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just the same way that the BBC is inherently left wing because of the government'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you cannot trust mainstream media, they are there to push an agenda and make money'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, they've receive funds from liberals and have never received a cent from conservatives or socialists, yes yes'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'received'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'their stories come from one or two aggregated news source, independant journalism in mainstream media is DEAD'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'suuure... believe what you will, you'll probably never change your mind about that anyway...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Andurien offers Sonshi some BrAiNz to much on...
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're having a reality problem again, i see'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'munch*'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the difference in effectiveness between our systems really should clue you in that we know what we're doing, and maybe you guys don't...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"our"?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'my country and yours...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe your country is too small to be of interest to global corporations to absorb'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'gap in per capita real gdp, life expectancy, housing, poverty, education...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everything you just mentioned has suffered because of socialist policy over 70 years'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, we have plenty of corporate headquarters of our own...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well of course you do, but since you have an environment they can use as a safe haven, they have no need to interfere'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, you've got there by blaming the solution and praising the problem... I suppose you guys won't stop anytime soon.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's your flawed opinion'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'socialism and fascism has killed this country'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'easy to say that, but look where you guys are...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can see where us guys at and i can tell you exactly how we got here'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you blame both socialists and fascists, but you abhor liberals? What do you have left?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the current crop of liberals are just closet socialists and fascists'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are no true liberals left'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'don't forget zombies!'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obamafone!'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you don't cure diseases by drinking poisons that kill both good and bad...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'ahhhhh... what?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'your insistence that there are no "true liberals" left is part of the problem, creating a self-fulfilling prophecy'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless you understand how you got where you are, you not in a good position to judge the path to take in the future, Sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'anyone tries to help you, and you shoot them down. And you wonder why you don't get help.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really? who is trying to 'help' us?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yes, and you clearly don't understand how you got in the hole you are in...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i fully understand, thankyou'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so, tell me, what happens when you conduct fiscal austerity in a liquidity trap? Does private investment increase or decrease?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and conversely, for fiscal stimulus?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're talking about the path now, you haven't mentioned how we got here'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, that's the last few years... going further back, how did your education system start to lag so far behind the top few?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it started to lag when they abolished grammar schools, destroyed apprenticeships, and tried to "equalise" academic degrees with practical and vocational subjects'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they then finished the job by abolishing streaming, micromanaging schools, teaching and curriculum, and imposing a boxticking, target-driven approach'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'see, you don't understand at all. Your education system didn't get worse - the top few simply outpaced your gains, and the reforms aren't all necessarily bad, just not good enough.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'these changes happened in the 1960s-1990s'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'abolishing streaming, if true, is one example of a bad "reform", of course'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'led to generations of people leaving school not being about to do basic math and english, led to a 50% target of university attendance, leading to 100s of thousands of people in debt at 21 and having pointless degrees that aren't worth the paper it was written on'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it led to a degredation of standards'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but a lot of those you mentioned are not necessarily bad... they just don't cut to the heart of the matter'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're ALL bad'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's just another example of the collectivisation of everything'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody is allowed to excel, nobody is pushed to excel, everyone must be mundane and equally shite'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'bah, "collectivisation" would be to raise taxes to ensure that students had less debt and teachers had more pay. Which is actually... good.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'collectivisation doesn't only apply to taxes'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it only applied to taxes, it would be a less toxic ideology'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what you mentioned isn't collectivisation or anything, it's just little measures enacted in the hope of avoiding precisely such costly "collectivisation"'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neutering the education of the public is "just a little measure" is it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for example, in the latest timss, it appears that not all schools tested in england had their own science lab...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't need a lab to tick a box or get a certain score on a school assessment'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'You can tell that JK Rowling is from England when she wrote Harry Potter V - there is a lot of sideways glances at the UK education system there'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you would, if you had a lab test like they do in countries that actually spend the resources on it'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but noooo, putting a lab in every school, why, that's making their facilities equal! That's communism! Oh the humanity, the red menace is back, and the liberals too! And the fascist muslim atheist gypsies in tow!'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've managed to get the whole problem arse over tit, like usual'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that was perfect channeling of you, nuts'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you are implying that these schools didn't have science labs. They did. It has been the collectivist policies in education that led to them being abanadoned'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and using merit based assesment for admissions, and removing non-merit based disqualifications like religion... oh, we can't have that, because it's communism.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you keep using that word. i don't think it means what you think it does'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they did away with merit based assessment for admissions'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone had to be the same'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, yes, making school unequal and shifting resources to richer districts. Very collectivist I'm sure. They shouldn't have paid your english teachers peanuts...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they did away with grammar schools, which were essentially highly funded elite schools whose entry was based on ability, the socialists got rid of them because they didn't like selection on ability'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they were FREE'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they allowed kids from the poorest families to get a good education'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they were social mobility personified'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, because socialists prefer selection based on money and inherited privilege to merit based selection. Lemme go call Socialist International, they've got it all wrong!'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I could understand that you don't know the history of education in the UK, Sonshi, but you are being deliberately retarded'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yes, yes, it must've been the evil socialist that destroyed the socialist school system that worked so well...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what i'm telling you isn't a matter of opinion or ideology, this is what happened in the UK between 1950 and 201'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2010*'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'these are the changes that happened'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i think words like "socialist" and "collectivism" were used by nuts' parents to scare him as a child'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts THWAPS Seltsimees Dagnir for being a moron.
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go put your gistapo hat on and shut up, dagnir'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you keep using these words but i don't think you know what they mean'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, all these bad things happened. Must be the socialists! Couldn't have been the conservatives who dismantled the socialist system that used to work, because that'd be nuts!'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was the Labour party that did away with grammar schools, that introduced tuition fees, introduced 50% target for universities, tried to equalise vocational and academic degrees'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sorry Sonshi, but those are just the facts'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i thought labour party was neo-liberal'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the us and uk have long been well to our right...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and the name was supposed to be ironic'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The Labour party are centre-left, now pretend socialists basically bought and paid for by corporate interests just the same as the others, They used to be socialists'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and you guys keep moving right, even after all they've managed to do to you...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(in the Michael Foot era and before)'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'left and right combined during the 60s, 70s, and 80s to de-industrialise the Uk'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'collectivism?!'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'don't worry, if you want to sew shirts for a dollar an hour, that can be arranged in a decade or so...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'left us reliant on a service and finance sectors, which left us severely fragile in the face of the 2008 crash'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I think you will find that re-industrialising will not be all that it's cracked up to be...'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so, nuts, that was done by the socialists then?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm describing what brought us to where we are, sonshi, i'm not commenting on a solution'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was done by both, Dagnir'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'driving a car leaves you vulnerable if you don't know how to drive... we hanndled the crisis well in comparison'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'both? what's the other side? "the good guys"?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the left mismanaged the economy, oversaw hyperinflation and a IMF baleout, unions essentially bankrupted industry through resistance to mechanisation, the industries fled to Japan'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are no good guys in government, Dagnir'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the right came in, sorted out the immediate budgetary issues, but did it by inflating the finance sector'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gave the appearance of wealth, people then got greedy and debt ridden on cheap debt and cheap Chinese imports'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both sides rode the gravy train throughout the 90s and 2000s'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interestingly it was the right that did a lot on social housing in victorian times, continued by the left after ww2, but then left fucked it up in the 70s by imposing a priority housing system which ensured that all social housing estates descended into ghettos during the 70s 80s, the right tried to fix it by selling it all off.... corrected the ghetto problem, but recreated the lack of housing issue'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with health, left created the NHS, right started to run it down, the new 'fake' left came in the 90s and completely fucked it up by gutting it and selling into bondage via the "Public Finance Initiatives" which you should go look up'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the UK health service is going bankrupt now as a result'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we already have provision limitations based on funding, we already have death panels and psuedo-legal euthenisation'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what the US will have'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sorry, have i broken your myopic view of my opinions?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Is Diane Feinstein really a man?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're not allowed to be religious in Indionesia unless you're a member of one of only six government recognised religions'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'publicly expressing atheist views can land you in jail under blasphemy laws'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'that are never enforced'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'In January 2012, an Indonesian man who said on Facebook that God did not exist is facing jail, as atheism is reportedly "a violation of Indonesian law under the founding principles of the country'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'On 6 May 2010, a court sentenced Bakri Abdullah to one year in jail for blasphemy because the 70-year-old claimed to be a prophet and to have visited heaven in 1975 and 1997'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'oh. Thought you meant US/UK'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'On 2 June 2009, the Central Jakarta District Court convicted Lia Eden, also known as Lia Aminuddin or Syamsuriati, of blasphemy. The court accepted that Eden had proselytized her religion, known as Salamullah, which she invented.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'people are nuts. What can I say'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, UK doesn't need blasphemy laws, we don't have freedom of speech in the first palce'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither does the US'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The FBUI will apply the term "Terrorism" to any group it doesn't like'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'FBI*'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anybody read "The Fourth Turning" by Howe & Strauss?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'rehtorical answer: unlikely that i would be tempted to waste good money buying or to waste time reading an unknown book of somebody's opinions'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so many (wannabe) authors publishing crappy books'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but maybe the book was recommended by Jon Stewart (or Stephen Colbert -- there's a waste of money)'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'suppose (crappy) books are for those yet seeking an opinion -- those with educated confirmed opinions prefer concise documentary texbooks stating the facts in comprehensible format'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'this is where Chemosh is supposed to chime in with something verbose and partly incomprehensible and or partly inane (but Chemosh is offline)'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mner mner'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade reminisces "when i went to school, most of the literary books were at least 50 years old and acclaimed classics.  None of those recent modern books with cusswords and propaganda gimmicks."
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you missed Sonshi trying to sell socialism and collectivism as a solution to the UK's problems when it was a mixture of that and fascism that caused the problem in the first palce'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one person dies it's a tragedy, 10,000 die it's a statistic'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how do you get to fascism from a democracy, or a republic?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hrm? when you start incorporating the private sector in governance'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'starts with lobbying, moves to finance, contracting out, privatisation'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people assume fascism is government taking over corporations (venezuela style), but it can be the other way round, which is what we have with global banking cartels taking over countries'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'okay'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'strangely, some view socialism as the government taking over corporations'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the two are not so dissimilar'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both can be considered totalitarian regimes'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when taken to the extremes'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'put another way, does it really matter whether the dictating power is called "General <x>, Chairman <y> or Goldmann Sachs"?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a dictatorship is a dictatorship, both seek to dispossess the little people and coalesce power into the hands of the elite'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only difference is who the elite is, and to some extents the methodology for achieving that aim'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The Nazi party are a good example of socialism and fascism working together'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when are we going to see David Gregory arrested?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '200,000 people turn out to see Benazir Bhutto's heir speak at the launch of his political career'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'beat that, Obama'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2kpyYWd0eo&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how come shows like mountain men and swamp people are on history television instead of documentary television?  is the media saying what's not going to exist in the future, or are they just reminiscing on how mountain men used to live?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'pawn stars, who doesn't pawn things? '
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'porn stars i guess'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They are on whatever channel will pay the bills to air it....'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lets ride our horses to town and piss off the dog-chow drivers impatient by our clops'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i like that, horses in a man's world'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my truck has 2 HP.....2 horses pull it.'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is the beast a martyr?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he must know he's gonna be the beast before he's sentenced to eternal damnation to receive jesus christ's temple of lord'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'god damned him to his fate'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even though he's just a story, it's good religion to consider the nature of the being taught in it'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think the book of revelation is man's mockery of god in general though, along with most religious teachings'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Andurien raises an eyebrow at Chemosh's weird actions.
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's a question that inspired hellboy and the rewritten verse of the end'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how come argyles named after a new york publishing company which called for the extermination of german white humans?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'is it just coincidence?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'too bad my mom's hooked up with a rotten ussr russian jew from ukraine, otherwise i'd put more effort into it'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ei'm upset they didn't defect to germany and die with the nazi's really'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what a traitor bunch of europeans they were that immigrated to the west'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://rt.com/news/oliver-stone-us-orwellian-022/'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'brilliant news headline: "Video: Syrian rebels try to shoot down commercial airliner - US tax dollars at work"'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as long as they're paying their mafia taxes to the central african republic 'sino cartel' or what's they called'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'has bill clinton and stuff associated with it'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's not mafia island, which is ww2, but a mafia'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen them on yahoo before they shut it down'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'xxxxmafia they had a name'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mid-eastern african mafia'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i want to remember them so i can see that you know them and then i can go and find some articles of incrimination'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'What's wrong with having a cautioned watchful eye while living under the shadow of our governments?'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you said something wrong in the internet, you're death-camped'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like that man from russia with the mustard on him, he's giggling as you die'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t926284-2/ man in russia'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you can skim through the pages to see him'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'my mom's actually going out with somebody who looks almost identical to one of them'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i suspected that guy to be a fuckaround ever since i seen him'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'his name's Viktor Vekselberg'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe uncle or himself'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see he's ukrainian jew though, which putin mocks the death of '
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ukrainians at least'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIC1De3l7rk putin mocks the death of ukrainians'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ukrainians holocaust were funny, hehehhehe'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'my prayers go out to ukrainian nationalist party and their resolve to fuck you to their enemy'
T3/r7/2012-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or maybe some nazi concentration camps'
T3/r7/2012-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'miserable arseholes threw Phonehenge West creator in jail'
T3/r7/2012-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pyromaniac ElementPyros: 'Hey Chemosh ^_^'
T3/r7/2012-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pyromaniac ElementPyros: 'Care to discuss some things with me? Since you seem to enjoy debating many different subjects and topics.'
T3/r7/2012-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the santorini islands have risen 14 cm in the last 14 months.   A huge magma caldera is forming underneath them.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how come there's always some cult of people who are out to get you and they don't ever stop forming into new cults of people who are out to get you?  how to prove the cult doesn't really exist?  how come questions aren't asked because people're afraid to ask them, and the answers are so hard to find?  who's offering safety?  where is the enemies?  is anybody exempt from concern?  how can i be sure that history will not repeat itself, and be satisfied by not looking for the advancing enemy that consumed them in the past?  which people shouldn't i consider because it's not socially acceptable to ?  they wouldn't be considered any longer after having seen that that's not who (some of) them are, but (some of) them are sometimes just that, and that brings me back to historical fears - and the question of 'who's offering safety?' - because i think it's really concerning, and the fear is hard to live with all the unknowns, which are part of survival having fear and a desire of security'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) No Privi Leges: 'breathe '
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'chemosh you might be insane please do not own a gun'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'well, how about you write a report about 'why genocide will not happen in the forseeable future''
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'oh it will, in africa, but who gives a fuck about those savages'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what's the solution's being developed by society which move away from it's repeating self'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's unfortunate, i think it's best when people're judged based on what kind of people they are, and not on what they look like or where they come from'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'chemosh the solution is simple:  don't live somewhere where you might be a target of genocide'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, that's kind of solution i guess, living in a more civilized place where people allow eachother to live'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I judge based on the fact that they commit genocide'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'are you saying commiters of genocide are not savage?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'chemosh:  exactly'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Perhaps the EU should do something about the genocides....oh thats right...they are impotent.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'every day lionfish commit marine genocide against the littlrer fishes'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'Its human nature to form groups and rally against an enemy. Just look at all professional sports. Would they even exist if human nature wasn't that way? Sure people love to play the game, but would they want to watch if their kids weren't playing or they wanted to see victory over an enemy?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'didn't want'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'finding life outside of the planet would probably be a good thing, cause it would give the whole planet something to rally against. '
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'judging people based on their beliefs though, if organized religion or something like they teach 'the hitler youth' programs on history television, they might have somewhat of a warped mind which is hard to look away from and hard to trust, i think that's more of a legitimate criteria than what they look like - but even then, sometimes people will try to not take on a anti-human outlook taught to them and instead will retain some of their individuality - but that's something hard to trust, my main reason for considering certain types of people is just that, i include the beliefs and evidence of their manifestation as i found on the news and history and stuff, and from that i try to see what alternative ways of seeing the situation are, from input by others'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Rizgoth: The EU is a trade union, not a military power.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaane: 'well, don't they have a defensive pact?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not afaik.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's sure easy to feel backed in a corner though and take on a psychology of lashing out at what you think to be somebody out to get you - i seen that there is some psychology texts about that subject, and sometimes it might be the actual case which makes it so alluring to follow - since it's such a universal tendency of people, however real or not, i find it surprising that more attention isn't given to teaching about this particular mental disorder - is it because of politics?  (this could include all kinds of real-world manifestations of discord and division) i think if solutions are ever going to be arrived at to some problems, understanding and proving wrong the misunderstandings is important - people don't join up with certain causes and things like that if they see that they're wrong for instance, others just like the criminal actions being done by them (this is the 'type of people' that i consider)'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but i don't really expect anybody to wonder about that same thing, i just think it's a interesting problem which seems to exist 'pre-emptive' etc, misconceptions go too far sometimes'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'while it is true that the EU is not a military power, it is protected by NATO'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'NATO's membership almost exactly mimics the EU'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not all EU members are part of Nato.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I said that.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'regardless, NATO will step up and protect the EU'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's nice of them :D'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Do you have a reference for that statement? Didn't know that such a policy exists.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there is no need for policy. NATO will defend any of its members from attack, the point of the treaty. Any attack on an European nation, whether a member of NATO or not, can be considered a threat to a NATO member.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'not to mention, that the US, being a member of NATO, will be itching to get involved :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, the US has been involved in 10 of the last 5 wars on this planet :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't know if the US has missed being in a war since its creation :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Possibly the falkland islands?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'true, they violated the Good Neighbor policy they so much sold to the rest of the Americas, to support the UK  :)'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The US has also missed a bunch of wars in africa, but that's only in countries that have no natural resources to steal.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's not the US as a whole, jus the MIC.  But seeing how powerful a lobby the MIC is, I guess that would be a distinction without difference'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We dont steal natural resources, we buy them.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst snickers softly.
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'But we need friendly govts in which to buy them from.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or in the case of saddam hussein, not psychotic.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so Hussein was psychotic?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'isn't that like the saying dont buy xyz from someone, buy it from their widow?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, that's corporate SOP, Twyst.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'his ultimate goal was to control all the oil in the middle east....that would be bad, the US needs the fragile lack of balance in the area so that we can purchase some resources from many govts.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no worse that the US controlling all the oil in the middle east.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Just before we invaded iraq the first time, saddam offered the US $10 a barrel oil for 20 years.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I thought his cardinal sin was shying away from the dollar as a reserve currency'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Saddam did get his training from the US, so we know where the idea came from.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'And yet we still invaded.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Hussein was not psychotic when the US supplied him to fight the war against Iran and the CIA was very friendly with him as the BCCI scandal uncovered.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'claiming that Saddam was a bad guy is a justification after the fact'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'especially because no WMD was ofund'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'getting rid of the taliban was a no brainer though, and it had nothing to do with equal rights for women in the country....it had to do with we needed a friendly govt there because the country is sitting on top of over $10 trillion in minerals including rare earths that need to be extracted.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Hussein suffered the same fate (or worst) that Noriega suffered. While they were doing the CIA bidding they were fine, when they finally told the CIA to stick up its butt, they got invaded.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'getting rid of the Taliban in afghanistan is indeed a "no brainer"'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'lots of countries have discovered how futile that is'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'That's another instance of invading a country who stopped helping the CIA. The CIA and the Taliban were all frends working to make the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan a hell on Earth. After the Soviets left, the CIA told the Taliban that they were on their own.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the taliban also shut down the heroin trade for the most part for a few years, and after we invaded and put in a pro usa govt, that heroin trade opened back up.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and let's not forget that when the bush said that the US was going to invade Afghanistan "looking" for Bin Laden, the Taliban offered to turn him over. The US declined the offer.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now we hear, after all of the hype and vitiol, that the sandy hook shooter DID NOT USE AN ASSAULT WEAPON HE USED HANDGUNS'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'better ban handguns!'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'better ban mental illness'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'who says?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should certainly ban Senator Feinstein for being a dopey woman ill suited for governance'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'says who what'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that he didn't use an assault weapon'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the police'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I mean do you have a link or proof or something'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll have to rustle one up'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50208495#50208495 '
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and of course, 4 handguns because mental patients have 4 arms'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'hmm per the medical examiner his primary weapon was the bushmaster'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the feds and the medical examiner disagree? that's never happened'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I can show you the link if you want'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'directly quoting the medical examiner'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'please do'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/connecticut-shooter-adam-lanza-mothers-guns/story?id=17984499#.UOAhL4aSka8'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's not quotes from his report'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the report disagrees with police reports of a bushmaster having not been found inside the building'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is so much hype and contradiction in the information that I doubt we will ever know the truth'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but it's a direct quote from him'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so? it's before he's done the report'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so he will be quoted by ABC news saying one thing and another thing in the report?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'kind of flimsy'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if in his report that he claims the bullet wounds are .223 assault rifle, and no assault rifle was found in the building, where does that leave you?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I would think you would begin to wonder where the gun was'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the bushmaster was found in his car outside'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '4 handguns were found inside'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not how he mysteriously turned his hand gun rounds into .223 bullets'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'occams razor and all that'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'err, the only reports of the bushmaster not being found in the building I can see were from preliminary reports...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same date as twyst's quote'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the best information would be the cctv footage'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'to be honest, its a moot point in my opinion'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he didn't use this gun to kill them, he used the other guns'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it was actually the shotgun that was in the car, not the bushmaster'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'still doesn't portray guns in the best light'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well nods, a mental patient that they authorities were fully aware of trying to get guns, killed a bunch of people in a disarmed zone'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and there were only two handguns, besides the rifle and shotgun'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'disarmed zone is propoganda'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not four'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'massive failure of the system'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'an unarmed detainee shot three police officers in a police station'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'quick! ban unarmed detainees!'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's more analogous to the mental patient angle than the gun angle I'm afraid'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but nice try'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is only one angle here and it's the anti-gun propoganda angle'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'gun rights advocates do not believe in any restrictions whatsoever'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'says the guy who claims the bushmaster was in the car...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the same guy flags up as mentally ill and trying to buy rifles 5 times within a month and they do nothing about it, then no amount of laws will help'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'just because something is unsuccessful doesn't mean it isn't worthwhile'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'laws need to be enforced to be effective...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'child rape still happens, but its not legal'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's kinda the point, this wasn't a lack of law, it was failure of enforcement'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and no one is advocating that it should be on the grounds that it still happens'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'being denied purchase of a gun is not a crime'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the system worked exactly as it should have'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'clearly it did not'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you took away civvy guns altogether like we do, you wouldn't even have this sort of problem...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'unfortunately, guns are proliferated so much, that you don't have to buy one'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you said he was denied five times'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he didn't buy the guns like he wished'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but he realized, hey I can just take a family member's'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'twyst, what you're arguing is having a username and password system that allows infinite tries'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'every ATTEMPT and FAILURE to buy a gun goes on the background check'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it should have FLAGGED'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you ban semi-auto rifles, and actually removed them from the population, then criminals can't steal them...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Only if it gets so far'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and if you shoot all criminals in the head, criminals won't steal them'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it's a lot harder to shoot all criminals in the head. Not to mention it's a gross violation of basic rights by any measure'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't care about rights'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they never have'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they care only about control of you'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what rights are being infringed, please tell'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'anyone you disagree with "don't care about rights" it's a pattern I'm seeing here...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're guilty of exactly the same thing, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I agree w/ both of you :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'seriously though, what rights are being infringed?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with what, twyst?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'slippery slope is a lazy argument'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'like five lines up, you said they don't care about rights'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'nebulous they, and which rights?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well in the case of the US, because it is specifically laid out, 4th ammendment, 2nd ammendment'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '4th is gone, 2nd is under fire'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'privacy is already gone here in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the fourth amendment has been horseshit since I was old enough to understand what it was'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the police can break the fourth amendment w/ impunity'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's nothing new'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because you think it is horseshit means it shouldn't be defended?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I mean it has been trampled on for decades'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not the amendment itself'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have a right to be shot. oh well, lots of people get shot, so i guess we just get rid of that as well, right?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have a right not to have all your stuff stolen, oh well, people get robbed, let's just get rid of that'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm not saying the fourth amendment shouldn't be followed, but it never has been'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Exceptions_to_the_warrant_requirement'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'China is making registration of real world credentials a prequisite for any form of internet access'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'expecting it here soon'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just saying...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the gov't can track you right now as is'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'no need to add credentials..., china is just making it easier on themselves with 1 billion plus people'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, twyst, that doesn't make it righty'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'exactly, but that's why I concede that banning gun's in america is not feasible'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it never was'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just a bunch of idiotic liberals shouting about guns when most of the richer ones have armed guards or live in gated secure communities'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'thats not a fair comparison'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if any crazy can get a gun, than yes you need guards'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if guns were not available you wouldn't need armed guards'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any crazy can carry a weapon, the only way it can be made safe is to do away with the crazies'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's all about doing a cost benefit analysis'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'driving is dangerous'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cost isn't relevent'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but we have determined that at certain speed limits, it is less so'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not monetary costs'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'costs to society et al'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we have crazies who knife other people...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"costs to society" arguments are generally used as anti-law and anti-freedom wedges by socialists'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for some odd reason, it seems to be markedly less fatal...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'look what polish "liberty" did for them... those who forget history are...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because you have noodles for blood'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look what socialism did for Germany'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'did pretty well, not sure what you are referring to'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's hard to argue that Germany was socialist'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hitler did well, Sonshi agrees'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'just because it was in the name of the party'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they're one of the strongest countries in europe, even after what the fascists did to them'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they handily had a clean slate to start from'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, I say the socialists did well, and you say I support hitler? Amazing. You must be a scientologist then, makes as much sense!'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you're the one who failed to realise that Nazi party was a socialist party'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you are a libertarian, therefore you must love stalin! Makes sense by your logic too!'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ho ho ho'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stalin was never a libertarian or ever labelled such'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the nazi party a socialist party... well, I must applaud your history teachers...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you support socialism, that's your choice, you will have to suck up the negative impact and negative history that the form of governance has had through history'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, you must love north korea, they're a great democratic republic!'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course i love north korea, who do you think modern US and UK governance is being modelled on?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'people through the word socialism out there a lot, kind of like liberal'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'since when did I support socialism? I just mentioned that germany has done well under it'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you always support socialism, you're forever advocating it'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'm more of a liberal technocrat'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I support socialism in certain western countries because those countries have moved far too right to be optimal'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you don't have the balance we do'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'easy to find balance in a shoebox'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why i argue localism and small sovereign states'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the problem with unbridled capitalism is that it needs in infinite growth system for everyone to have an acceptable standard of living'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I think the biggest problems with finance and debt etc in the last ten years have been caused by the rise of China, India, Brazil etc'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'easy to find balance in a shoebox? There are plenty of small states which are well off to one wing or the other'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'face it, we just know what we're doing.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'although lately there have been some areas of concern... but it's still a lot better than in most places...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, twyst, abusing china paid a large part in fuelling debt-based consumerism in the west'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'argh, too many people not understanding economics... the rise of india and china represents lots of opportunities for progress, if you'd just take it.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'progress for whom?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(almost) everyone in the country'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in those countries, yes'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its only fair though, don't you think TN?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fair for whom?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fair that you should destroy one country for the benefit of another? no'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how long have America and UK consumed a far larger share of the natural resources compared w/ their population?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's an opportunity, though, not a inevitability. You need to fiddle with your system so that (almost) everyone benefits'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(an)'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what country is being destroyed?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'everyone can benefit, it's only a matter of policy'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no everyone cannot benefit'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so it's a zero sum game?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'waht, more zerosumism?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's pretty tragic'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you cannot change history'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'especially if it is imbued with the belief that any one person can morally and rightfully accumulate as much as possible'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'both china and us have made large gains from our mutual trade. Likewise for our trade with the us...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'no one is asking for reparations'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and hopefully soon, we'll have an fta with the eu too'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(Debate) Twyst: 'how long have America and UK consumed a far larger share of the natural resources compared w/ their population?''
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm saying that it is unsustainable'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it can't continue unless 1 of three things happens'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you're asking people to reduce their standard of living'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'infinite growth'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'all out warfare'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'nah, things are getting more and more eficient'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why you need population restraint :-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'third thing slipped my mind haha'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'efficient my arse'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in fact, there was a recent study that despite population growth, the amount of cropland needed to sustain the world population will actually decrease. Unfortunately it left out the effects of global warming, so it may not come to pass...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like bull'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, with better recycling tech, less resources are needed to produce stuff, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in fact, if you look at the amount of space we use, and the implied amount of space the stuff we import uses, there's plenty of space left for further growth, at our standard of living, if everyone was as efficient...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll always have one country abusing the resources of another'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's already less half an acre per head of population, it'll only get worse'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(here)'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no, the main thing holding us back is that tech gains are not well distributed.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some of us don't care about tech gains'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you should - it allows for current growth rates to be easily sustainable'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't want or need growth rates'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'speak for yourself'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'growth rates are an artefact of the science of economics'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'd prefer if population decreased. Would mean a better life for everyone.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have no real-world meaning'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'real per capita gdp is still increasing...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'more stuff per person?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you can buy more pointless shit to stick in your collection of other pointless shit?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a lot of people like that, you know...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We should use financial growth to work less and play more, imho.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'more stuff means, if you plan well, that you can retire early and go live in your nice dream house in the middle of nowhere'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it does not sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you want to buy more stuff instead of saving to retire early, that's because that's what you want, doesn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you save money, some snivveling snotrag of a socialist will dispossess you of it, or impose policies to erode it because of some fucked up idea of "for the benefit of society"'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why there will be NO retirement for my generation'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'no one is talking about taxing wealth, although that would probably be a better solution as opposed to income'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, because the govt will break into your bank and delete the account. suuure'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why home ownership with the exception of shoeboxes are out of reach for all but the 1% here'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're devaluing it as we speak, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not for the benefit of the whole though TN'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'for the benefit of the 1%'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'our retirement fund gives better returns than inflation on average'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ours do not'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if yours doesn't that's kind of your govt's fault, right? You know, the govt that you guys elect...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't elect it'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but your people did!'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they aren't 'my' people'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'is it a gov't pension or an IRA?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and guess why they don't have the money to give you better returns? Becasue you don't want them to tax the rich...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd rather they taxed everyone equally'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you want them to tax everyone "equally", don't complain about your savings being devalued. Can't have your cake and eat it too...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but the 1% would never go for that'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has nothing to do with savings, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'either that, or you'd have to accept a pretty high marginal rate on everyone...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could be done with a 35% tax rate'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I would be fine with a flat tax, as long as some number over 100k usd was exempt'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we tax the wealthy a lot more than the regular people back home...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exemptions kill tax systems'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'a flat tax with no exemptions equals either starving the bottom third'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or not collecting enough revenue to even bother taxing people'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'top tax is, I think, 20%... most pay under 5% or nothing at all...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't, twyst, the bottom third don't earn wages'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those who don't earn wages don't pay income tax'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'also known as starving?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the bottom third don't earn wages? Are you counting babies?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or is living above the poverty line free'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'retirees, housewives (housespouses), students...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the clue is in the name "INCOME" tax. You don't get taxed on welfare'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'look, some people don't work because they just aren't working age...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but a full time job at the current minimum wage in America, means you have to choose between food, shelter, or medicine'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'there such thing as working poor'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have working poor too, and most of their taxation is not income tax'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go look at the taxation piecharts'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so your proposal is not just a flat tax'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we have 7% GST back home... that's the main tax the poor are paying'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but a sole flat tax, and when I hear conservatives say 50% of the US doesn't pay taxes maybe they should look at some pie charts'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd abolish all the taxes aside from flat rate income tax, flat rate sales tax, and duty on a few selected items'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you have additional taxes on the poor, why not just eleiminate them and raise the top tax rate a little?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pointless, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you don't have to eliminate progressive taxation, just remove taxes on the poor end...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that falls into the same trap, sonshi, rich people don't pay high tax rates, poor people's taxation doesn't come from income tax'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if rich people don't pay you high tax rates, you're doing it wrong.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so you agree that the rich "should" pay more taxes though, right TN?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'err, your'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it was right the first time :P'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'referring to the first you'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a matter of ideology or ethics, Twyst, the fact of the matter is rich people evade taxes'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whether they should have to pay at a higher rate? I disagree'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I keep missing the r because of my bad typing style'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'isn't that a distinction without difference?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so they shouldn't pay higher taxes, (which they don't according to you)'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so all peachy then'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, so rather than imposing a flat rate, why not... I dunno... focus on tax avoidance?!'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i personally think a flat rate system would be more effective, fairer, and cheaper/easier to administer'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would be infinitely harder to evade, too'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it would be evaded the same way the current system is evaded'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's some east euro country with a flat rate or near flat rate... ask them how it's working out for them...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there would be no exceptions to use'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'using vast wealth to tip the scales in your favor by contributing(bribing) politicians'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so remove the bad exceptions...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's all of them'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how do you think exceptions come into the system?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'lobbying, i.e. using money to influence politicians so you can make even more money'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most here are to try and "fix" perceived unfairnesses or help the little guy'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, they have nothing to do with the big guy'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they just move their wealth offshore'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just remove loopholes and tilt the tax towards more progressivity...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't remove loopholes without capital controls'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and what is to stop them moving wealth offshore w/ a flat tax?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't have capital controls and still be a memeber of the EU'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's been working out fine for the icelanders, after that terrible crash...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing, twyst'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fairer for those who are left tho'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can if you're not part of the eurozone...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I see your point TN'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I agree as well'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but even if they move their wealth offshore, that doesn't matter that much'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can still tax economic activity within your shores'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'obviously the middle class is bearing the brunt of tax payments'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really, it's the poor'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'middle class on down then'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'middle class is pretty much extinct here'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's how we get them to pay up... their business is here, they want to do business, they pay the tax. They don't really have a choice. If they try to pretend that their profits are all offshore... hahahaha'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's a court case right there'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds a bit north korea-ish, sonshi'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's the only way to keep the system working though TN'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, we actually tax the rich! We're north korea-ish! Wow!'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what jurisdiction do you take that to?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'humans are notoriously apt to not follow the rules w/o consequences and monitoring'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'let the rich evade taxes, otherwise you're north korea!'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ours'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the business isn't in your country'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, but it is'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's in luxemburg'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if it isn't doing business in our country, why should we care?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is doing business in your country'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if they're doing business in our country, they have to abide by our laws'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I think he means nominally placing the HQ in somewhere like luxembourg, or the Cayman Islands or something'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's that simple...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then they'll find a way around the law'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it really doesn't matter where their headquarters are when it comes to taxing their profits'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not saying you shouldn't try, but it's like filling up a bucket with holes in'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they won't make the profit in your country'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'really? It works for us. You have to face that fact'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's how they get around it'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we collect plenty of corporate taxes'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as do we, but the biggest corps wiggle out of it'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'like I said if you try to pretend that the profit is elsewhere, good luck explaining it to the judge'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the accounts can explain it to the judge'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yes, they can, and the judge can see that you're moving the profits illegally'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'fudge the records, and you get a criminal charge right there'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who said it was illegally moving profits?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'our law'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody has fudged anything'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you're banning franchises and service payments/'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'our country, our rules. That's how it is!'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, those are perfectly fine, but there's a limit to it, based on fair value calculations, etc.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's a bit of wiggle room, but you can calculate the fair market value of ip based on similar enterprises'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you will struggle. constantly'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you make $10 and pay $10 in fees to the HQ on average, you're obviously cheating, for example, since that implies your branch is worth nothing and should have liquidated.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'bam, case closed, penalty and damages awarded.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'holy shit maaan, America is suppose to be the greatest place on earth.. North.. After all I use to say in defense'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'I have to say with deep regret.. I find it embarassing to represent such seein my life at this point..'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'So here's one for the history books..'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'yea I'm actually gonna turn on a beeper again..'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'Take this to DC. If ya can patch a word in for me..'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'I live in Philadelphia.. & This is the last straw.. Btw Do you even have call waiting on your cellphone?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'and to read psalm 109 again the whole thing!'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'Amen'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'they'll never beat this legend..'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'I love america but seriously... If ya can't really make much sense of what's goin on & have no other choice but to be in america cuz ya have nuffin or not much set up elsewhere.. where the fuck can ya go?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Really R. Bigman shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'of all the shit I'd get from law makers in the past.. Once I was told Bush's father threatend funding for schools like the one I was goin to.. So I'm outside like "Noooooo to Bush!"'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'history is tough on us all but what we learn improves the future..'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'hahahaha'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody learns'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'must be dat thug then... I tell ya.. by the year 5000 or maybe 10,000.. Pentagon had a legion of doom live their & raise they kids and it be like a ghetto apartment while another buildin be built to use just like the pentagon... Ya never know.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in english?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'What if we sold or hmm.. The government sold this country!'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would they sell it? they own it'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'power hungry'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they wouldn't sell it if they were powerhungry'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'remember napoleon almost took over everything'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'globalist bankers have it all, you've already lost'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'so literally they could be with the meetings anywhere'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'probably got it like that a lil already'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well at least you have firearms to take these guys out if they start imposing tyranny, oh no woops, no, can't have that, it's being taken away as we speak'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'which amendment is that?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: '5th?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straeldryn: 'to bear arms? 2nd'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'ah..'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'So what's the 5th?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fae Wino Joelz: 'not required to incriminate yourself in testimony'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straeldryn: 'also can't be tried twice for the same crime'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straeldryn: 'due process, and no taking of property without compensation'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'Jermiah chapt 3, paragraph 1-2 has me laugh hysterical.. Cuz I look at the need for big corporate consumtion. The need on a day to day basis.. For kids to eat. Families to be fed & had bills paid & still look professional. I can't express easily with words why or how long I should feel something for this I am not suppose to. You suggest a numbing agent easily because of your laothing & lement! Because you rall up wif compliment-like hoodlum & flimflamist! But I WARN You I am strong! I been der tue son! Ya can't say I miss the point when I live in the cost to or some of the cost with others to make commerce obese.. '
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'leveraged buyouts on avg end up costing the company at least 1% of the jobs of the company that was bought by a debt loading profit generating holding company.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'to shore up the price of US oil, it really needs to start exporting some oil to other countries....'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would love to see the US and Canada both start exporting 1 million barrels of oil to the UK.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'per day.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the name of the game is use everybody else's oil first'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is idiotic, the name of the game is profit, and right now US/Canada oil is priced $20 to 30 a barrel under north sea oil because we are not able to move the oil to refineries or other markets that quickly right now.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the other game is to make as much profit as possible for so few immediately, preferably yesterday, while ruining and depleting the planet for tomorrow'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the christian( republican)s say "no worries, Jesus Christ is there with a new earth to exploit and ruin"'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the atheist( republican)s say "eat drink and be filthy rich, for the bad tommorow is not to come in their lifetime, so they do not care whether future generations are in eco-hell"'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(tomorrow)'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The Earth has more oil than we will ever use, we will switch to cleaner methods long before we ever get close to running out of oil....the easy to get oil might be running out, but even the harder to get oil gets easier to get over time as technology gets better.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Rizgoth seems to be reading that from some republican oil-fairy-tales book'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nuclear, geothermic, expanded solar, and wind will eventually replace most of the oil use in time, but that time is at least 30 years in the future.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '30 years - ha!'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Yes, I guess you ignored the fact that the US has over 2 trillion barrels of oil shale in colorado/wyoming/utah/nevada.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'With most of it under Colorado.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so how many days oil is that'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It doesnt matter, there are also huge deposits in other parts of the world as well.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those deposits are better left in the ground'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Israel just found 3 huge natgas deposits offshore that can replace most of their imports for well over 500 years at current consumption rates.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'So did Jordan and Syria'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'North Africa is swimming in new deposits of shale gas.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'won't last 500 years if other nations force Israel to export those deposits'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and if all the oil and gas is burned, the resultant CO2 in the atmosphere shall ensure continued global warming for a long long while'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so all the glaciers and the polar ice masses melt -- the rich shall be long dead and gone while billions eke and die horridly (and millions drown?)'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It was in the 1930s that the American government joined with the Saudi Royal House to form ARAMCO, the Arabian American Oil Company, the largest oil company in the world, to ensue free flow of Arabian oil to America.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'human life is cheap -- what is importrant to (insert synonyms for callous republicans here) is that the rich become richer and pay no taxes'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'About 1400 new oil wells are being drilled in the bakken oil shale deposit in north dakota each year.  It will take almost 30 years to completely drill the deposit in north dakota alone....it could take twice as long to drill the canadian part of the deposit, and around 15 years for the montana part.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'do oil derricks, oil pipelines, oil-spills, beautify the natural wild'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'open-cut mining -- there's a beautification project'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '.. if you believe profits from ruined landscapes are "beautification"'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Exodus 22:18 -> You shall not allow a witch to live. (This is still practiced in some places according to the news) -> My question about it is, how do you tell who a witch is?  What is a witch?  The closest thing to a witch I seen in the world is a person claiming to be a witch, 'which are you?' sounds like witch are you, or 'which am i' sounds like witch am i?  So if there's going to be any accurate judgement of who's a witch, does the judge have to be a witch too?  Or is it mainly based on superstition and ignorance with no real knowledge?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you weigh the same as a duck, you're made of wood, and therefore a witch'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is a similar sort of logic to socialism'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'something i kept in mind anyways, i know the authority given to the judge is to decide such things, and if witches are being found maybe the religion has another grain of believability to it, in it's elevated natural calling - but i still haven't been able to accurately identify a witch myself as any definable trait, so position of authority and trust etc, maybe that's more important to some people than actual knowledge of being correct'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos . o O ( Societies are socialistic by definition )
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'socialism though like you say, i see it more as that fascism idea of mine, 'appearing correct versus feeling correct' or 'appearing to understand versus understanding' or 'smiling cause you feel like smiling versus smiling cause it's expected of you''
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is it fair to enforce your vision of society onto others, anaristos?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i think fascism is, kind of fictionalization of human nature'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'to some extent it is natural though, i don't disagree with that'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what does fair have to do with it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i dunno, if you want to choose an ideology for governance, wouldn't you want it to be fair?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the last real social implementation was the feudal state, everything since then has been nothing but variations on the same theme/'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not sure that's quite right'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'feudalism IS, however, very similar to what we have now, except now we have higher taxation'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'as long as people want to be led, they are going to be forced into structures that abuses them.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, well everyone else gets forced into that structure when they don't want to be led. We're branded terrorists'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'people don't elect presidents or prime ministers, they elect masters. As long as they do that, they get what they ask for.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't vote, you get the people on the inside of socialism (like Dagnir) complaining that you didn't participate therefore are undeserving of a say'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if they by now they haven't realized that all the political rhetoric is bullshit, they deserve to get shafted. '
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is a bit like giving you a choice between being shot in the head with a shotgun or being shot in the head with an assault rifle, and if you choose not to make a choice, shooting you with one anyway'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'just view the US political campaign in 2012, people were talking about "hope for the future" and crap like that, as if the people they elected were going to do what they hoped to do. When the US institute the vote of confidence then we can talk about a responsive government.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i fully agree, similar problem here in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'system is fully geared up to maintain the status quo'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only way it could ever change is with forceful revolution'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why the system has put into place lots of laws to prevent mass protest, grouping, political dissent, political speech, and banning weaponary'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's really what's at the bottom of the attack on guns in the USA right now, fuck all to do with kids being shot'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'election to a political office is equivalent to being annotated. They beg and cajole during the electorial campaign, then when they get elected they act as if they wouldn't want to step on any of the voters lest they ruin their shoes. '
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest."'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a quote by Mahatma Gandhi'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a journo got his facebook account blocked for 48hours for posting that quote'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Woo! go UK, building one of the largest ocean wind turbine farms in the world.....176 turbines located in the thames estuary.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'let me get this straight, Britain subjugates India and India complains that they are not allowed to carry weapons... I am sure that some sense can be made out of that.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Gandhi, that well renowned gun nut and tea-party member'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'weapons are good, everyone needs weapons.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and wind turbines.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Ok, guys you are now under British Rule, here, have this weapons so you can rise against us.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone needs guns except americans with a tyrannical government'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, britain is our friend....hell, we are even going to start exporting oil to you guys soon....'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no point, we can't afford it'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it will be cheaper than north sea oil.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what happened to the North Sea wells?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they ran out of oil.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just about exhausted'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'were mostly gas anyway, not oil'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, we can export lots of gas also.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I am sure there is more somewhere around there.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'when issues are dealt with by laws (while issues are conceptual/intellectual/sentimental) and force instead of explaination and common sense, then it can be comforting to have some means of self-defense foresure, with most of manual survival like hunting for supper etc being obsolete, that's one of the only justifications for having weapons these days, is other people have them and don't want to be left at their mercy, which they can choose not to have just like they did in the past - is what i think about it'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i disagree, chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the hunting debate is quack and always was'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither americans nor british, nor anyone really ever had guns solely for the purpose of hunting'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the UK has lots of shale gas, but they wont extract it....because there is a 1 in 50,000 chance of contaminating the water table that is 9000 feet of rock and dirt above the gas field.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are extracting it, riz, they got a limited goahead'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though it doesn't have public backing'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woohoo, go UK!'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really, we're already short of water'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You can use seawater...you have lots of that.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we can't drink seawater'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Why would you want to drink the seawater that is used to frack the wells to get the gas ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the seawater will end up in the water supply'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with the pollutants'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '9000 feet below the surface?  I think not.....the water table is usually less than 150 feet down.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where do you think it'll end up then?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in the gas field.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'surrounded by rock.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apart from the stuff that leaks out into the water table'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'otherwise the gas would have got into the water table millions of years ago.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you won't get much investment in it here because the government owns all the rights'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which is why the US now produced 96% of its own gas, compared to 12 years ago when we imported 96% :p'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they are defense too, yeah, did the nazi soldiers know where the people they're sent to detain are going to end up while they sent them there?  they were just doing their jobs, trusting the 'old wolf', i understand people's fear of authority because of like i said about how non-violent problems are often dealt with by laws and force - since we're taught the nazi's weren't good people and if they were just doing their jobs, so do alot of other groups of people today - if only world's governments and their pacts and things like that weren't holding eachother's non-transparency up, i think the best goal for governments to have is to eventually have their own citizens govern themselves - but that's where centralization of power and the 'guaranteed survival' of the master and his friends comes from, always consolidating power around their own superiority over everybody elses - why people seem to be dumbed down and treated like trash often'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You can blind people with that much text.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just some things i think of, maybe they're too offensive to think of, but it's some information i seen in what i learned of history, a question'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'did you breath at all while cutnpasting that from your manifesto ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i just typed it up right there, it's a concern of mine that i have, not any attempt at defamation of anybody or unjust 'likening' or anything like that, just a legitimate observation and question - coming from a place with no authority at all'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'to reach that 9000 feet, the drills and holes require to pass through that 150 feet where the water table is, and leakage from anywhere near that 150 feet is going the "frack up" the water table -- high pressure hydrocarbons are very "innovative" for seeking entry into atmosphere and water tables'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'just one little oil or gass leak into the water table, and the water table gets a new flavour'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'silence enviro whacko.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and almost guaranteed that somebody is going to make a "mistake"'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil and gas is good for you.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and some people did have guns for 1st hunting, but also they can be used for self-defense (or crime), and sharpening the skills of using them - i think alot of the problem with social violence can be solved with discussion and evaluation of beliefs/misconceptions etc, seeing things as you believe a problem to see things and then discussing why that's not the only way to see them - but that's not a approach people take very often at all, it's part of 'diplomacy' - i haven't met many people who are utterly unable to comprehend some pretty legitimate concepts, but society seems to think that making certain concepts illegal or threatening anybody who looks at them is a better method of dealing with the problem than invalidating them through understanding - it's alot like being led by ignorance, but there is (i think) more people in the world who don't want to participate in evil by their own free will (when it has large consequences) than otherwise, if they see beyond their beliefs'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost rests in a corner and mutters 'spam' quietly to himself.
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'another long screed by Chemosh not saying what Chemosh may or may not mean'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'tldr'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh was invalidated when Chemosh intimated that that if actual witches existed, then believing in that religion was perhaps okay, and by corollary default the persecuting of witches -- (callous foot-in-mouth Chemosh)'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no, that's was like a multiple evaluation of the situation, as seen through somebody mentioned in the last part of that paragraph's conceptual eyes, and the eyes of those who he rules, who likes the authority more than knowledge of being correct, and how to bring people into the fold through fear of being ostracized or desire for protection from 'them''
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if actual witches exist, perhaps that is where an actual "God" is lurking -- and that religion (and supporters) are abominations hunting those witches (and those that look like witches)'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so i didn't say one way or another that witches do exist, or justify religion either way'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my grandmother on my moms side was a witch.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in a hurry to post dribble on debate, Chemosh indirectly affirmed plausible support for religions being intolerant and persecuting (the witches, simply because the witches actually exist)'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you can't parse my meaning from what i say then that's my problem, although you can become my problem by being ignorant and blaming it on me'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'proofread the dribble before posting, and look at alternative viewpoints by extremely sarcastic cynics ready to dissect and obliterate the idiocies posted'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'for someone bitching about proofreading, it would help if you knew that the word is drivel, not dribble...'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some dribble drivel'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cain killd Abelinc mumbles about people talking about "idiocies" who are themselves every bit as guilty
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'at least some are getting an education'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos grins evilly at you.  Hmmm.  Better keep your distance. 
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'switch the house numbers :>'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, apparently rep. leader Boner is getting hissy at tea-party republicans sticking by the principles and promises that GOT THEM ELECTED and not voting with him'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dreadful, principled politicans, whatever next, no wonder people brand them as mad'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2nd person pushed in front of subway train. don't see Bloomberg calling for a ban of subway trains'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'are the pro-gun or anti-gun doing the pushing'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not applicable in this case'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's to do with funding/taxation/fiscal cliff'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'appears that the 50 or so tea-party republicans will hold pretty much the deciding votes on any fiscal cliff measures in congress'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not that it will help any, no deal will be made because it's not in either party's interest'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i personally think you guys should ban time-limited legislation'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seems to fuck you up over and over again'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so the republicans are going to extort more tax-breaks to permit debt-ceiling to be raised ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no idea'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doubt it'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'they did previously'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they won't agree to a plan, so they'll happily let the ship go over that cliff'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they really don't want to let obama get hold of the power to increase the ceiling'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't blame them'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'republicans want austerity measures for the non-rich, and more tax-breaks for the rich'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well of course, and democrats want tax breaks for the uberrich and everyone else on the planet on welfare'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ultimately, working Joe loses'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what happens when the economy slows to a near halt when there are too few monies with the non-rich to buy the products that the rich are selling'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have to be careful how you define "near halt", what happened here is that growth fell to zero, businesses struggled, unemployment went down because companies switched to part-time workers'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'debt levels started to go down, inflation was suppressed'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pain ensued, would have righted itself but for huge government debt'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'part-time employees are at below poverty levels'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not here they're not'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or, put another way, 50% of full time employed people are below the poverty line'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'part time workers are no worse off than those others'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'part-time employees are subsidised by the government ?'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as are full time workers'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'economy isn't just nearly broken, it's really broken'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what happens when you get a boom fueled by personal debt, and a consumerist society hooked on buying cheap shit from China rather than understand the true cost of something'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US is crazy though, their deficit/debt is a piece of piss to sort out, but they won't do it because the military industrial complex + global banks that own/run your government won't let it be sorted out'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK hasn't got such an easy fix-route'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what easy-fix USA route, other than raise taxes on the rich'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stop invading places'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'close most of your 100some-odd foreign bases'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stop bombing the 8 countries you currently are'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take an axe to the military budget'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps increase the taxes on the military-industrial complex -- let those that want wars, pay for those wars'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'If wars had to be pay as you go, we would be a lot better off.  Good thing we elected Bush the imposter and Darth Cheney'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'anybody rich profitting from those wars, tax them to the hilt, and then some'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why? just stop the wars'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but they are the "job creators" and that's "socialism" /sarcasm'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they are profiteering from the wars TN by ripping off the gov't'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'as well as the people as a whole'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's how you know your government has been compromised'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'war is good'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it isn't if you're an innocent brown person, riz'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no one is innocent anymore.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'interesting take Riz'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some are more guilty than others'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you've made this argument before, and I told how easy it would be to justify 9/11 w/ that logic'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wonder how the government justified 9/11 to themselves'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"some are more guilty than others" cancels that "take"'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sort out your foreign policy/military, not only is your debt paid off in 17 years, but also you stand a chance that in the future, other countries might actually stop hating you'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'unfortunately countries hating us is a badge of pride for the wingnuts'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and chicken hawks'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of both sides, it seems'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could save more money by taking a leaf out of the Ron Paul and pushing responsibility for most things back to state level'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Independent Republic of Rizgoth.....the IRR....You will be assimilated.'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'There are many reasons the zombie, sprung from the colonial slave economy, is returning now to haunt us. Of course, the zombie is scary in a primordial way, but in a modern way, too. Hes the living dead, but hes also the inanimate animated, the robot of industrial dystopias. Hes great for fascism: one recent zombie movie (and there have been many) was called "The Fourth Reich." The zombie is devoid of consciousness and therefore unable to critique the system that has entrapped him. Hes labor without grievance. He works free and never goes on strike. You dont have to feed him much.  http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/31/opinion/a-zombie-is-a-slave-forever.html?ref=haiti&_r=0 that's an interesting article, with all the zombie obsessed people on here and in the media'
T3/r7/2012-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'bRaInZ'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.forbes.com/sites/kevinunderhill/2011/12/07/you-say-indefinite-military-detention-of-citizens-like-its-a-bad-thing/ is an interesting article, 'on the legal definition of terrorism.' -> http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/12/13/pol-cp-scoc-terror-khawaja.html -> they mention a 6th amendment, a 55:45 vote omitting abroad, and the unknown people in charge of things in the future, and what kind of idea's they might have (definitions etc) -> so that's alot of what i was concerned about, what's being done to prevent things from being abused (and the questionable abuses sometimes seen in the news) - and that abuse is present in several places, according to the media i seen, in various stages (some places in the world i read about, etc), and in history (probably everybody knows a little of history)'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not trying to foil some allied strategies or anything, just considering fairness in the unfair world'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'everybody likes some security don't they?  it's easier when it's taken for granted'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what about if somebody goes back 15 years in a big internet log database, searching for the dissenting opinions of a new definition, no matter if it's 10 or 40 years from now, and finds that it's a biological thing and not only the new definition gets punished but everything he has on earth - for instance, however out there it is, in some history you can see that it's not all too uncommon at all'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'long reaching consequences for trusting in others to rule selflessly, as far as i could tell'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're at least possible, i could probably fill this debate with myself with 10,000 lines or more of examples to consider'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's one of my main problems with authority anyways, is there's no defending against it's abusers, when they decide that's against the law'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so what if i was just kidding, see how much of a sense of humour people have in various states of oppression, that's how much freedom of speech or expression means to the possibilities and their definitions - and that doesn't say alot for possibly hundreds of millions of people, who at one time or another said something that the thought-police don't like to see, seeing it's a genetic deficiency or otherwise, maybe they're out for bulk-population control - as can be seen pondered in this bolt thrower song -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eShSOlhX9w maybe it was everybody within a certain distance of you, a crimethink epidemic, sweeping blanket statements drove the nazi's and others onwards, they didn't mind as long as they did what they were told - who was telling them probably could fit into the kind of hypothetical person i'm considering'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but hopefully those kind of people're a thing of the past, i'm not hoping otherwise '
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/19/us-protests-un-idUSBRE88I1CW20120919 is 'Ban Ki-moon' justifying the responses against sovereign state where film was produced, which were several deaths and burnt buildings in response?  that seems pretty weird doesn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i was taught that if i don't want to see something, not to watch it'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and what else, people sentenced to death in egypt, being citizens of western nations, and didn't Obama sort of apologize for sovereign freedoms that americans have and not defend their ability to 'don't watch if you don't like it'?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hrm? Egypt is Obama's model for the future of Islamic countries under Sharia law'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he'll use a secular version as his vision for the western world'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'Yeah!!! we finally have something going here.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cause they made a film or something there'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'do any of you think Shriah Law will be implemented in the US?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not by name, no, but you are descending into Tyranny'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is essentially the same thing'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'remember we are a melting pot, so we accept anything'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'Tiger, are you in the Us?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'US i meant'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/09/21/film-protests-pakistan.html Pakistan protests against anti-Islam film leave 19 dead -- 'Ban Ki Moon' apologizing for this outrageous blasphemy, which is worse - death or a burnt book?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or some kind of fiction, can you turn off your peepers when you see something you don't like, or do you prefer to tear the face off of what you see'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this is like the ultimate version of fascism'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'I think this crap has been going on for years and we have been told by Americans to just accept it because we are a  land of tolerance. You look at other countries and they dont accept any type of friction that gets in the way of their way of life.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'where is the passion in the US?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no passion in the US, if you have passion you are branded a terrorist'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i see they're even burning the american flag in that picture, along with the deaths, but still you see who's side the judge is on, http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/25/christian-conservatives-angered-obama-islam Barack Obama has drawn fire from the Christian right over his attempt to criticise Muslims who are offended by slander of the prophet Mohammed while desecrating other religions. '
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i didn't write these articles, but they're some thoughts i had after seeing them and considering the situations and doing my own judgement which isn't in a position of authoritah like the others'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'you know its bad when the UK wont even accept Piers Morgan back with all this debacle going on.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i find it odd that in that article Obama quotes Gandhi, yet his pet NSA spying project, Facebook, blocks accounts for posting pro-2nd ammendment quotes from Gandhi'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sort of hypocrisy we should expect from the ruling elite'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess some speech is more free than other'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'debate -h 50 has quite a few neat things i found, barbie was interesting -> according to that voodoo article and the 1959 doll's german origins, i thought wow, that's quite the coincidence - but i see it's been a controversy dealt with before by a google search'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it is actually representative of what can be guessed, like the judgements on the articles of what is 'fair judgement''
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'I wish we could not just accept the change and follow the path of other countries. We are a nation of change that tries to walk a different path of other countries. You look around and we are either repeating history, or accepting third world country views. Im not one of those "Merica" tpye persons. Im just someone who wants to see us keep our way of life. If you dont like our way of life, go somewhere else and see if you have the freedoms we have.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'twyst was fibbing about the sandy hook death investigator, he didn't say the bullet wounds were a bushmaster, he just said they were high powered rounds'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in better news, Hugo Chavez is ill again'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'I know this may sound cynical, but politics is a dirty game. does anyone think Clinton is sick just to dodge the Benghazi hearings?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course she is'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they wheeled Mubarak to court in his hospital bed ffs'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'They have let Benghazi rest so much I dont think Americans even care anymore. Let it lie as much as possible, and put it on page 26 of the papers and it will go away. that is the America way.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what they did with Iraq'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'Exactly!! We are still in Iraq and no one even notices we are still there. Im military, and I know that.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it isn't so much that you're in it, but the lies and fraud that led to the invasion in the first place'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still waiting for the report in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's several years late'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it won't come out because it cannot be anything but damning'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'I will say ths. I was one of those Americans who had NO interests in Iraq at all. After being over there, I can see why we would want spread Democracy over there. When I see what is happening to our own Country NOW,we are a Nation of "Do as I say, not as I do". '
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it won't change, it'll just get worse'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and is'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'How long can we accept other Nation's ideas until another Country's ideas overtake our own? It's happened in the past, and it will still keep going on. It's like war. The one with the most weapons or soldiers win. Example: If we have an X nation, and MORE of the Y natons takes over, then where do we stand?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well there you go, there's the problem with Democracy'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2 wolves and a sheep voting what's for dinner'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'I know we were built on a Republic, and are still a Republic. Ask anyone in the US, they wil say we are a Democracy. NO!!! We are a Republic. Democracy leads to Mob Rule.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'It's not Republican rhetoric, ti's fact.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, and what you've had for the last 12 years is the erosion of the republic'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'and this is coming from a Liberatarian.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it's easy to point out in the USA because you have a written constitution to compare progress against'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the movie 'tomorrow never dies' puts emphasis on the importance of the media with james bond'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK here we have no constitution, so it's being done slower and more slyly, but started earlier'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'public opinion, with the special fx and things they have these days, and places where basically nothing gets independently reported, just about anything can appear to be real to the audience'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'that is why the Constitution is a living document. It's open for interpretation.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interpretation yes, to be destroyed entirely?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when is a body cavity search without a warrant not a warrantless search?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'Chem, there was a time in this country where the press would sell their own mother out to the police to get the truth on a story.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'not anymore. Money talks.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when is having all your communications over the internet being monitored not an invasion of privacy?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when did the executive branch suddenly acquire the power to go to war without congress approval?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when did the executive branch suddenly acquire the power to kill of imprison americans without due process?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'it is getting destroyed entirely. I think Americans have been living with rose covered glasses SO LONG that they dont know the difference. Plus with acceptance being painted as tolerance, why would you question?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the power and limitation of the executive branch's power is clearly spelled out in the constitution, hw did it get exceeded so hugely?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then the question should be, at what point will they take the glasses off and question?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and how many millions of people will suffer before that happens?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'Tiger, my friend, you are a part of the LOW number of Americans that actually get it. Hence, going back to mob rule.Im not saying they are educated, but it is mob rule.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'or coming to that very soon.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not american'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'Tiger, where you from?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'LOL!! the US could learn from you guys. Our history only dates back to 1776. Your history dates bakc WAY farther than ours.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'Thus history repeating itself.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it sure is'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'God, its great to actually have a debate with someone who knows what they are talking about. Thank you.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sure some fake liberal can pop up here and pour scorn on it'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are people that like to have their life micromanaged by dictatorous governance'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'Im not putting down liberals. they do bring some good ideas to the table. Different perspectives. Now the WAY LEFT ones are the ones I dodge.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well they're not real liberals for a start'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's part of the sick joke, really'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'the ones way left are the ones who want it their way and nothing else.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's like conservatives that believe in monopoly and government contracts'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how much patience and tolerance you have in judgement before you commit to action, is that basically how liberal you are?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't think that has anything to do with it'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'Chem Ive seen liberal and conserative alike tolerate SO little before they let their values just go to shit, and throw away everything they believe in just to get their point across to someone.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i like to be sure on things, like mathematics, getting something right isn't as important as understanding how you got it, there's alot of variables in the world'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'it's sad'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is sad about fake liberals is they make comments based on their own ideology ASSUMING that their ideology is accepted and correct'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ah, so liberalism offers it's own blindness maybe'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you can't agree with their comment or policy purely because it stems from a false premise'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'guys, I gotta get some sleep. Loved the debate tonight. Best night so far. It's been peaceful, yet satisfying. You all have a Happy New Year. Be safe.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's like coming out with "We know the world is flat, so how about this"'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sleep well'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what's a true premise to you tiger'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'knowing/assuming, assuming to know, that's all a bunch of philosophy isn't it?  who's philosophy can't be proven incorrect?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen a philosophy by a zoologist on discovery channel once, where he had a bull go into a fence (4 walls) that gave off electromagnetic charges or something, studying a theory of why cattle face a certain direction at certain times of day, and believing (assuming) that it was purely a physical thing, after several hours the bull finally turned when the fence was activated, the correct way, but an alternative would be that the bull began to understand that in order to get out of the fence, he had to comply with the training, and the movements weren't only physical'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not really about premises, chemosh'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess if the bull disagreed too long he might be turned into hamburger though, which is the method used by the philosophers of the world industries too, isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no right or wrong answer when it comes to political ideology, it comes down to personal opinion and belief'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a false premise if someone puts forward an approach as being true or 'the best', when they are making an assumption that the ideological underpinning of that approach is something that has already been agreed'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ok, so kind of like 'appeal to emotion'?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or exploitation of ignorance, and yesmen (the 'mobrule' meaning the many and not wanting to be left out)'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i noticed that trick kind of, doesn't everybody know that?  smile so you don't look stupid'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not really an appeal to emotion, though that is often a trick, it's more of a confidence trick, it's "We know x to be true, so y"'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when X isn't true'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or when X hasn't been proven, or agreed, or even discussed'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah i understand that, imagination and desire and fear, being able to test theories yourself is important part of believing them with any sincerity, but trusting others to do that for you is what the government's for isn't it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in some situations anyways, it's good to have faith'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not that it's even based on faith, if they were to say "I believe this because my faith says it's a good thing to do", then that would be -something-'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it could lead to further debate, and it might not mean I agree with it, but at least i'll  understand and appreciate the position'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's that automatic assumption of righteousness that annoys the shit out of me'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Doug Hagmann reckons the US administration will be going after political dissidents bigtime in 2013'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hidden/wrapped up in the anti-gun hysteria'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'traffic stops and stop + frisks are now asking about what weapons you own, taking records for 'terrorism fighting purposes''
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even if you have no criminal record'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did the prosecution of Glaxo-Smithklyne for operating a 49,000 physician-strong "kick-back scheme" get any press coverage this year?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Leading psychiatrist apologises for 'fabricating' psychiatric conditions that led to 3 epidemics of misdiagnosis'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think security minded should produce it's own psychiatrists to verify the claims of the 'big guys', i have my doubts there's nobody in any given community who could be a capable scientist to verify what the professionals have to say - but i don't know how they run things, saving money seems most important in most arguements against security minded i seen'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i know of immigrant doctors who (maybe it was their secretary or something else) misplaced patient records that they inherited from their predecessor and tried to prescribe drugs that could be fatal in some circumstances, or had a severely negligent affect on a patient - for instance, but i think they like to keep things like psychiatric health secretive because knowledge of how to make those medicines and things can be abused too'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sometimes patients aren't very observant and trust their doctors to handle that'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some asutralian guy got yoinked off the street by cops and dragged to a psychiatric ward and drugged up. It was a case of mistaken identity - the only reason it came to light is he had a massive adverse reaction to the strong antipsychotic medication and ended up in casualty'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my doctor hates me because i don't trust him'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that and i know he's on the tap and he knows it, and i know he knows it'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we've had arguments about it'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read an article awhile back about non-psychiatrists having the authority to prescribe mental-health drugs, like anti-depressants, possibly ritalin (this is less likely) to even teenagers, and the brain is still developing until around age 23 in females, males i'm not sure - so i wondered about that, if it was really a good diagnosis in all them cases, since most general practitioners probably aren't psychiatric professionals'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'general practitioners are paid kickbacks to prescribe anti-depressants, they hand them out like smarties'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cynikal Zynix: 'well, if it is simple and common stuff like depression then most GP's will see it all the time and will be pretty well capable of handling it. There is not enough psychiatrists to for everyone to see one.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/2012/04/30/codeine-babies.html here's an article about codeine too - they're possibly correct, i couldn't know better - but what i read on opiates is that they mainly get distributed through the digestive tract, and that produces breast milk (although i don't anatomy well) along with feeding foetus's, also it can cause constipation and does modify brain activity'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thank god for that'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'world could use far less psychiatrist quackery and far fewer SSRi's, they have a lot to answer for'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so i was kind of not totally convinced in the risk-free use of codeine for pregnant or nursing mothers, just because of what little i knew about opiates'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cynikal Zynix: 'nonsense, ssri's have decreased the amount of suicides dramatically since they were introduced'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'suicide and violence is one largest side-effects of SSRI's'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one of the'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Suicide accounts for more military deaths than combat'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why? they're on a cocktail of drugs, mainly SSRi'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vast majority of mass shootings? shooter is on SSRi's'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they do not cure anything, they merely mask symptoms'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cynikal Zynix: 'for a depression that is usually good enough, you know... maybe start talking to your wife and kids again and getting out of bed will help things going from there'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cynikal Zynix: 'ssri is just another tool, it can be used and misused'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but that's the problem, in this country certainly, probably the same in the US, there is no support, only pills given like smarties'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they recently declared that any expression of emotion can be used to diagnose a mental illness'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's all a big fraud to get more prescription drugs into people's bodies, and therefore more $$$ in big pharma's pocket'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i've though about how that's handled, using some schizophrenics as examples, because they're off their meds they might become volatile, or because they mix them with alcohol, is common media - like rehabilitation centers often don't do that very much i think the eventual goal of (like government) the people testing medication on people (or prescribing as a cure) should work with them with psychology and programs of rehabilitation to make those drugs un-needed eventually, maybe like an asthmatic inhaler is taken only when suffocating should they be prescribed permanantly'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are very very very few people with testable mental disorders'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ADHD was the biggest pharma fraud of the last 30 years'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they was looking for cures i mean, that would be some programs i would have expected to see'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'clinical schizophrenia is extremely rare'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'firefighter shooter and adam lanza confirmed as satanists?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'StormTrooper-nazi-SS-Ritalan -- that is a strangelabel'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts, in which (alleged by you) country is that "stop and frisk and interrogate for guns" (supposedly) already happening'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that seems to violate both the 2nd and 5th amendments'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sure you could refuse to answer, but that will just push you up their "terrorist threat checklist"'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i were american i'd be burying gun caches right now'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Terminator style'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'everybody is supposed to answer'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'everybody is supposed to refuse to answer'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everybody has been brainwashed to answer by the "nothing to hide" liberal brigade'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when ops ask too many questions, there is going to be increased violence against cops'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, if Feinstein gets her bill through and they start trying to forceably disarm the population, THATS when you'll get the deaths'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is pleny to hide -- cops are corrupt'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll probably have mass resignations from the cops, though tbh they'll probably use the army'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the army won't do it, they'll bring in NATO troops'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody with the knowledge of what happened after Katrina will go along with gun confiscation again'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Wait, Tigernuts, you mean you don't trust the government to provide all your protection?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'you want to...take your life into your own hands? *gasp*'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would you trust the government to provide your protection when they're incapable of running basic services?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'always'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I trust that by the time armed gun men break into my home and threaten my wife, the police will be there b/c they are heroes'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well of course'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Feinstein" sounds jewish - that "jew" is going to cause a lot of hatred against jews -- the jews forced the Polish government to disarm the populace -- the nazis came and killed a lot of the Polish populace -- apparently some jews want a repeat of the carnage in the USA'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not going to get into a jew-bashing rant'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at the core is pressure from the UN to disarm the population, they believe government should legitimately have a monopoly of power'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a populace may turn nasty very fast -- you Tigernuts seem to be doing something -- not sure which yet  (feeding or quelling the flames)'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'warning'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doing nothing more than pointing out bad shit so that other people don't step in it'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'most of the UN are abominable tyranical despotic-minded governments'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the UN itself is, most of the sovereign country governments have been bought off or taken over'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'head of the European Union was on record this week wanting Russia and the EU to be combined into a single entity with one government'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Herman van Rompooy'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Herman van Romshitty'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that was obviously a joke by the EU to elect somebody with that name to the head of that organisation'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'non-automatic weaponry should be unrestricted, convicted felons should still be able to buy them, background checks on all weapons should be done on sale to ensure mental people or "wanted felons" don't get them. Repeated triggers should be followed up. There needs to be a judicial basis for being prevented from buying a gun, verdict passed by a judge on evidence basis. There also needs to be a judicial review path for people who believe they are being prevented from gun ownership wrongly'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'STATES (not the fed) should institute a "gun license" which licenses the owner, not the gun, on a yearly basis, with a fee. When you first get the license, or move house, you should be inspected to ensure your property has correct gun storage and that you have the correct training. Inspetion should take place again on moving house. Inspections should be done by trained local personnel on request and by appointment'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's all you need'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'job done'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'disagree wih any continued registration of firearms'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well the firearms wouldn't be registered'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the owner would be registered'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'am even against the initial registration of guns'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in this example, you'd only need a license for a semi-auto, but it still doesn't register what guns you own, only that you have had your place inspected for correct storage and that you have the training to use one safely'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and when somebody moves, no reinspection of firearms (which discrinates against those that are itinerant and or mobile)'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, only an update of your license, and an inspection of the storage'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nope, no inspection '
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'inspectors are viewed as crooks casing the new home'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have the gun shop do it'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'gunshop inspectors are most certainly viewed as crooks casing the new home'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, ensure that the gunshop has on record that you have previously purchased appropriate storage'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in the USA, weapon storage is likely an option '
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not everybody is able to afford those overpriced defective weapon storage lockers'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably can't afford a decent semi-auto then'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a bit like saying i can afford a 1300cc motorbike, but can't afford leathers and a helmet'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i know that if i had a family, i wouldn't have a gun without a quick-access safe'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and the deluxe extremely-secure weapon-storage-lockers that permit retrieving a weapon within 3 seconds are likely extremely expensive'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gun lockers cost less than the guns'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'proper storage is a small price to pay for freedom from gun bans'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most serious gun owners likely already have sensible storage'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in Canada, weapon lockers for sale seem extremely heavy with extremely slow access and cost at least $800 and up '
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as much as an anti-theft action than anything else'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'lockers cost more than guns'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can get a quick access pistol safe for under $50'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '3 second gun lockers, i remember a guy who claimed he draws his weapon for a headshot in 3 seconds from the states somewhere, is that you zade'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that was somebody on IRC'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'which means that Chemosh is perhaps lurking on IRC in the same rooms i am lurking'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i haven't been on irc in over 9 years or so'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'never got really attatched to it, just used it for video games'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '4-rifle gun safe $250'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really isn't a lot of money, especially since you buy it once.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'apparently Canadian Tire sells high-priced extremely heavy gunsafes'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why has Diane Feinstein been allowed to get away with insider-trading and not be prosecuted over it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those gunsafes are so heavy, the room floor likely required to be reinforcced below'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless your home is made of cheese'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Diane Feinstein" sounds jewish, and to prosecute her for insider-trading crimes may appear to be antisemitism   '
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the other difficulty is getting other jews to testify against her'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those gunsafes are so heavy, likely requires two or three strong humans to move that gunsafe (with equipment)'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stop making rubbish excuses, zade :-)'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just get a damned gunsafe already'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and buy it locally, not from some crap multinational'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and after i get the gunsafe, i go buy guns -- that is going to be expensive'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good guns cost money, correct'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a lot of canadians do not own guns (even though here are a lot of guns in Canada)'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they already gutted gun ownership in the UK'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is why we have the highest violent crime rate in Europe'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(even though there are a lot of guns in Canada -- apparently some buy more to make up the difference)'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'even if i get guns, what am i going to do with them'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't know what you are going to be doing with them, then you probably shouldn't be buying them'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Canada is safe here -- the local community is decent'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'senate passed FISA to publicly put a bullet through the 4th ammendment'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'warrantless wiretapping and internet eavesdropping'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what is the 4th amendment'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK the stink created by people like me has forced the government to scrap their plan to record all internet traffic and put the bill back for redrafting'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'can-ada, i wonder if that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada_of_Caria 'satrap' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satrap was intelligently named -> The word satrap is also often used in modern literature to refer to world leaders or governors who are heavily influenced by larger world superpowers or hegemonies and act as their surrogates .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Canada  kanata (or canada) for "settlement", "village", or "land".  (thinking back on the alexander the great i seen)'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'feinstein invested $1m in biotech company just weeks before it got a $25mn government grant....'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'The Fourth Amendment guards against searches, arrests, and seizures of property without a specific warrant or a "probable cause" to believe a crime has been committed. (Some rights to privacy have been found in this amendment and others by the Supreme Court.) - wiki'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wonder ... He was assisted by a council of Persians, to which also provincials were admitted; and was controlled by a royal secretary and by emissaries of the king, especially the "eye of the king" who made an annual inspection and exercised permanent control. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satrap (Matthew 18:9) And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell fire.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odin Amongst various other events, the Völva mentions Odin's involvement in the Ćsir-Vanir War, the oedipism of Odin's eye at Mímir's Well, the death of his son Baldr.  ... how much of these stories are symbolic, and what the symbols mean'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Expectation of privacy is a legal test which is crucial in defining the scope of the applicability of the privacy protections of the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution. It is related to, but is not the same thing as a right of privacy, a much broader concept which is found in many legal systems (see privacy law). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expectation_of_privacy '
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Matthew 18:9 is a defective scripture (and is self-voluntary at most, not an excuse to blind others)'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'jesus is called the king in the gospel though, that's one of his parables'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'see the 'eye of the king', maybe that's what it means was what i was thinking - what he was referring to'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the gospels were corrupted by the mithraists and the romans'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if an author writes a book and claims the book was inspired by the Sun (god),  that does not mean that book is the inspired word of the Sun (god)'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'human-published Bibles are not the inspired word(s) of "God"'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are combined wisdom and stories of generations of elders and leaders. Amongst those inevitably you get people who twist words and power to suit themsevles, something that continues to this day'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'these days, the role of religion has generally been usurped by government'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you really seem to dig religion'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh seems to quote from the Bible scriptures as though (a religious-nutter and that) there was extra holy meaning there'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the history of religion is really very interesting, despite not being religious myself'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'full to the brim with history, culture, art'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when an atheist or antitheist or disbeliever quotes from the Bible, at least there is some assurance that the quoter is not going holy-nutter on the audience'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'serving too many masters and things like that are issues in the bible, one way i could see meaing in the combined consideration was having one 'eye of the king' instead of two, and the bible does warn about 'thine eye being double''
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh is playing with "dangerous" scriptures'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'since that seems to have been a title used'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's symbolic though, that's how i'm considering it, not mutilation like you're probably idolizing'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps Chemosh is saying "depose the King" using Matt18:9 as the basis'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how am i saying that?  that that's one way it could be interpreted (here 'the eye of the king' is his enforcer in his occupied territories, not the king's territories themselves)'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(except religious-nutters may unfortunately go for the mutilation interpretation)'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that is what you Chemosh seem to be saying when bandying "eye of the king" and Matt18:9 together'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wonder ... He was assisted by a council of Persians, to which also provincials were admitted; and was controlled by a royal secretary and by emissaries of the king, especially the "eye of the king" who made an annual inspection and exercised permanent control. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satrap (Matthew 18:9) And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell fire.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odin Amongst various other events, the Völva mentions Odin's involvement in the Ćsir-Vanir War, the oedipism of Odin's eye at Mímir's Well, the death of his son Baldr.  ... how much of these stories are symbolic, and what the symbols mean'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wasn't really saying anything except a question, what you think it means with your atheist interpretation of human scripture, you jumped to the conclusion it was mutilation of some form first, and i merely noticed these things in succession and seen if you seen any symbolic similarity of meanings or not in it, like i was considering'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that's some interpretation of the verse i seen with 'Satrap' in mind'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'burnt offerings and hell seem similar too'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as somebody else was mentioning the other day'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'most of the crap you Chemish are posting is somewhat incomprehensible (and irrelevant) amidst web-references the audience is not going to bother to download -- you seem to be obsessed with mutilation'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bah, literalist interpretation of some scriptures, and symbolic interpretation of other scriptures, amidst the mutilation obsessions'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yes you do, and 3 second draws - you're more like a perpetrator instead of a observer though, and you likely have some type of authority with your quick-to-conclusions attitude, where i don't - but as long as you're not in a professional capacity i guess your subliminal messages can be taken non-literally - i wouldn't expect such a reaction to the fiction i offer as yours in a game of fiction, with your atheist consideration of religion in mind especially, what kind of dragons could i develop that would offend your ego?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't have any gore-fascination, but i observe psychological horror'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(when i encounter crap and mush, i keep cutting the crap and mush (with steel blades) until i encounter steel blades)'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this is one of the funniest verses in the bible to me, But Rabshakeh said, Hath my master sent me to thy master and to thee to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men that sit upon the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you? -- Isaiah 36:12'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"defective-ideology" demagogues and rabblerousers are dangerous in that they are waiting for the opportunity to sway the crowds into zealous action (and mayhem)'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bring forth decent benign ideologies, if the demagogues prefer to be somewhat bypassed by those ready to dissect and criticise defective dribble'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"eternal vigilence is the price of liberty"'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"you do not require to be a monster to detect monsters and how monsters think, merely require to be an intellegent educated experienced paranoid potential victim of monsters" '
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Matthew 12:36 "But I say unto you, that every idle word that men shall speak, they shall render an account for it in the day of judgment."'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Matthew 12:37 "For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned."'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(so please: no defective dribble)'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mner mner'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'words are one thing, attatching bodies to actions being spoken of is another, 'sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me' as they say, who's throwing the stones and bringing the styx'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'want to play paladin authority then authority should answer for it's own crimes first, which actually had death and other desecration in it, otherwise the court's unjust in my eyes'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then they can move onto the idle words man spoken, being not men with sins attatched to their actions'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'isn't that why they killed jesus, cause he tried to make himself god?  who judges another'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'one of the justifications they used anyways - since you're trying to invoke religious fear in people, like the bolt thrower song'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some say "everyday is a day of judgement" when demagogues are taken to task by the politically correct -- fake xchan'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and some of the self-appointed "politically correct" like to wield a big stick'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that seems like a pretty flawed statement, A political leader who seeks support by appealing to popular desires and prejudices rather than by using rational argument. (from this perspective, seeing how much rational thinking is required for politicians to make decisions for the politically correct)'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but , each to their own hypocrisy's'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'might is right - aleister crowley (or was it the other one?)'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'talk about evolution'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade mutters "is somebody's sarcasm meter unable to detect the variable nuances" - xchan
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(the annoying) Aleister Crowley used to state "To do what thou will is the whole of the law" or something similar - an annoying statement'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a misquote surely? is it not "To do what thou will is the whole of the law provided it harms none"?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'never saw the rider "provided it harms none" until .. here'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and i do recall reading the Law of St Thelma from an Aleister Crowley book in paper and print'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably Aleister Crowley misquoting it'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Fueling nuclear reactors with uranium harvested from the ocean could become more feasible because of a material developed by a team led by the Department of Energy's Oak Ridge National Laboratory. The combination of ORNL's high-capacity reusable adsorbents and a Florida company's high-surface-area polyethylene fibers creates a material that can rapidly, selectively and economically extract valuable dissolved metals from water.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would be cool to travel at an effective speed many times the speed of light'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why get creative with nuclear energy when we can just get better-than-solar output from marshwater?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so obama is claiming a fiscal cliff deal has been done, reading the text reminds me of the couple of dozen times they've claimed to have "solve the Greek debt problem"'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so what is this "fiscal cliff deal" - did Obama surrender to the Republican extortioners'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, zade, they kicked it into the long grass, as per'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so that is what you meant when you said that Obama said the "deal is 'done'!" (like done for and adios)'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well they're claiming a deal is done, presumably so that the partisan one-up-manship can continue, but really, they've agree a handful of tax rises and kicked the decision for everything else down the road, pretty much like waht they do with the greek debt - fail to solve it, but do the minimal needed to stop complete collapse in the imminent future'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'latest: cliff deal off'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'how  much whiskey can a baby drink'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'irc participation + slow aardwolf leveling + debate -- a great combination'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people amaze me sometimes, like the wise father doesn't watch the news and sees how safe of a place el salvador is for anybody, so he takes his daughter on a trip to build homes for them http://canadalive.ca/c/regina/event/steak-night-for-el-salvador-2013 and http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/Group+build+homes+Salvador/7515864/story.html -- i understand wanting to help people and all, and maybe there's some safety for them, but that seems like quite the high risk to take -- do you think organized crime/terrorism is involved in motivating them or some kind of a need to help people beyond safety of them and their family?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost rests in a corner and mutters 'spam' quietly to himself.
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wouldn't take my daughter anywhere near there if i had one'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'chemosh plz never own a gun'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's all you got?  man you're shallow'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i thought it was a pretty amazing thing i found, seeing what i seen on documentaries and the news, quick google search would you show you some of that i was considering'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but, maybe they got some safety there and it's not a negative scenario like i'm thinking'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like i said, i understand wanting to help people and things like that, i wanted to see if there was anyt houghts in your head about it - since you act like you're so much smarter than me - i guess being silent on things is the smartest way to be'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts obviously may be more informed and experienced than you -- perhaps that is an encouragement to seek to improve'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what i like about irc is the excellent time-stamped prefixing everything said, and the automatic logging of everything'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what i like about people like you is you inspired me to find a new meaning to the bible and avoid investing in this world with any form of love'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'undernet#scripture requires more opinionated trolls er erudite scholars to liven the room   (but don't say i sent you)'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1109.html#safety see, why i mentioned it their good intentioend trip to build people homes'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'were they religious fools'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'are they dead religious fools'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know that but according to what i read there their safety doesn't seem very guaranteed, i'm not sure if they're very religious, i think one is an investment banker'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so maybe it's part of his corporate contract or something '
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but it could be they got some kind of a criminal visa or security guard while there doing their charity work'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not saying it's a bad thing to help people, but if you got a family to consider and taking them on trips to places with that kind of a reputation, i don't know - that's why i thought it'd be interesting to discuss and see what the probable reasons are for it'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'you all americans know this? http://banoosh.com/2012/12/31/congress-did-what-3-scary-new-congressional-decisions/'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'and you happy about it?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how come countries are all considered female?  and man-made factories are called plants?'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'wich country chemosh, some stuff in france is female while in mexico is male '
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who wears the pants in this world'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'for example El pais, that meand The country. In spanish is male not female'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'means*'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'ok, so sometimes countries are masculine - how about plants though, like in some dogfood processing places they slaughter horses in plants'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's kind of derogatory to the idea of nature isn't it'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what determines the sex of non-humans is basically the ending of the word. Not also, that Spanish has 3 sexes, male, female, neuter. But male and neuter have exactly the same endings.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think the bull on the lambourghini logo was spanish, it's something cowboys do to remove their nuts when they're not deemed breedworthy '
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Note*'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'otherwise their meat doesn't taste as good'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'only when the animal is prepubescent. Castrating a bull won't help because it is too late.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Psalm 137:9 How blessed will be the one who seizes your young children and pulverizes them against the cliff! http://bible.cc/psalms/137-9.htm'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's a spooky ass verse huh, psalm means song'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's hymns to god, quite the things to sing about'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Psalm 38:7 "For my lions are full of burning pain, and there is no health in my body."'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Palm 136:9 "Blessed be he that shall take and dash thy little ones against the rock." DRC'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'bible.cc link had a new international version (c) 2012 on it'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tthe belated abortion scripture: kjv Psalms 137:9'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Numbers 5:11-31 is another "abortion" scripture'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'plus a few more millions in clan gear. About 25.'
T3/r7/2012-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'